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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: MuffyBee on July 07, 2009, 11:02:22 PM



Title: Lindsey Baum #2 7/10/09 - 7/28/09
Post by: MuffyBee on July 07, 2009, 11:02:22 PM
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LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 10, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
Thank you Ms. Nut. There is an Amber Alert that was found safe, Damian Duncan from TN.

It's Lindsey's turn to come home now!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 10, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
Thank you Ms. Nut. There is an Amber Alert that was found safe, Damian Duncan from TN.

It's Lindsey's turn to come home now!
That's good to hear, and yes it is Lindsey's turn.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 10, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Reposting from the last thread :

THIS WAS SENT TO MY FACEBOOK PAGE, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE BUT WANTED TO PASS THIS MESSAGE ON:
Lora Dockery sent you a message on Facebook...
Friday, July 10, 2009 4:43 PM


Re: SCARED MONKEYS

"They have a few questions they are asking and I think I can help a bit. I put in for membership 4 days ago and am still waiting for approval. They ask about empty homes in the area. I do check ups on Foreclosed homes. There are many in the area. Some unlocked with squatters. Two that I know of are on wildcat and main street. I know there are many that go unlocked at for month es. look for high grass and do not trespass papers posted in the windows. Also When I was in high School my girlfriend was kidnapped off the street at night while walking home at night. She was unfortunately murdered. The murderer was released from Prison around last year only about thirty miles from the town of mccleary. His name is Brian Peak. He lives in Hoquiam wa. I know there are a few other things I have forgotten to answer, but can not remember off the top of my head. Please ask someone to accept my membership. I have been reading the post everyday and when they have a question  I live in Elma and have lived here my whole life. I follow the peto. news in my area and know things about people who are not even listed. My kids range between the ages of 23 and 9. I know of town creeps that have tried to get my older daughter there car. There are more missing children in our area the LE is not mentioning. They have chalked them up to runaways and I'm sure some are. Just the weekend before Lindsy Baum was missing my 17 year old daughter was helping run the teen dance in Elma and there was a mother there with flyer's of her missing 13 year old daughter. She said she had no help from LE as they thought she had run away. As for LE here they tend to have a blind eye to there own. My mother has been a drug and achahol councilor here for over 30 years. There is a police officer that was convicted of rape of a child a few years back. He spent time in prison and now lives as a hermit on the hood canal. Not far from Mccleary. He is super strange!!! My mom says he is really weird. For her to single out this guy as creepy and weird in her line of work is important as she sees creeps all the time. My mother did call and give LE his name. But former LE or currant LE they do tend to turn a blind eye. I know FBI would hopefully not do the same. But I know the local LE DO!!!  My car was hit and run about 4 years ago as it was parked in front of my home. We had family movie night on Fridays. We all heard something but took us a few min. to figure it out. When I opened my door I saw my car in the neighbors yard. I went out and a lady who lives down the street was running in my direction yelling I saw it! It was a white contractors truck with tool boxes in the back. He just backed up put in and drive and sped off. I called the police with the info. I had just bought the car and only had liability insurance on the 2000 KIA. When I felt LE was not doing enough I went to the gas stations down the road and searched for the vehicles that drove by from ten min before the time I made the 911 call to 20 min after. I saw the truck with two passengers and a mangled front bumper drive by. I called the police and told them that I had saw this on the surveillance. They said they would go take a look. I then called back the next day and they had not been there to look at it. I told them in 72 hours this surveillance system tapes over itself. They assured me they would go look. They did not go in time and it was erased. The day after my car was hit my daughter when to school and a boy asked her how her car was. It was odd as we said nothing to anyone but LE and the store. Then my daughter told me the boys mom worked at the school and a local car lot and that her boyfriend drives a Big white truck cause he Builds; houses. I found out his name and went to the bars in town.... 2 of them. and found out he was there. He got in a fight with his Girlfriend and they left about 9pm . The bar is 4 blocks from my home I called 911 at 912 pm . The police did not even question them. They said they had to see the truck wrecked to ask them any questions. This is just one example of how our LE work. Hope to be able to talk to someone soon on scared monkeys. Thank you, Lora "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 10, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
Also bringing over the article on Briam Peak:

Convicted Killer Released, Moving Into House Across From School
Posted: 5:43 pm PST January 2, 2008
Updated: 6:19 pm PST January 2, 2008

HOQUIAM, Wash. -- Convicted killer Brian Peak is set to be released from prison after serving 14 years for murdering 16-year-old Melanie Santiago in 1987.

Peak is moving in with his mother who lives across the street from a Lincoln Elementary School in Hoquiam.

“It makes me furious, I’ve got two teenagers. There’s a grade school that only goes up to grade six living right across the alley. That scares me to death,” neighbor Mary Anne Myers said.

According to state documents obtained by KIRO 7 Eyewitness News, Peak has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic with a history of failing to take his medication.

According to police, because of the laws at the time of Peak’s conviction, he is allowed to move in with his mother and will not be supervised by the Department of Corrections.

“They're pretty much powerless to do anything to keep an eye on this guy once he’s out and we just want to ensure that the public is safe,” Sgt. Steve Fretts with the Hoquiam Police Department said.

In response to public concern, Hoquiam police created a public bulletin about Peak’s release noting that he has the right to live as a “free man.”

“I don’t think he belongs around the school, I really don’t,” neighbor Dennis Caruthers said.

The superintendent of Hoquiam schools told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News when students return to class on Monday morning letters will be going home to alert parents of the situation.


http://www.kirotv.com/news/14966260/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 10, 2009, 09:15:28 PM
Thanks Northern Rose, wow  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 10, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
hi everyone-

just got in from work and was catching up...i hope we hear some news soon...im so conflicted on what i think happened in this case, for me there have just been too many strange statements from people and too much going on in Lindsays life for me to believe this was a stranger....like the saying goes, where there's smoke, there is usually fire...

but then i find myself stuck with the fact that the dogs either a) didnt pick up any scent at all or b) the private dogs picked up the scent on 6th street... i think there is more to this that LE is holding back..for whatever reason, i dont know... kara said in the last thread that lindsey does have a friend that lives on 6th street...i'd be interested in knowing more about this friend and their family...as i believe everyone needs to be ruled out as suspects...maybe lindsey was walking there for some reason when she was abducted

i just cant see how someone wouldnt hear a screaming child being forced into  a car...i say this because if she was abducted by a stranger, i really think someone would have heard something...the person prob would have gotten out of the car to get her into the car if it was a complete stranger and i just dont see this going completely unnoticed/unheard...

okay, sorry to blabber i just wanted to recap some things since this is the start of a new monkey cage...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:27:20 PM
SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - At least 23 officers in Washington and another 14 in Idaho have had their badges stripped since 2007 through a process called decertification for offenses ranging from stealing prescription drugs from inmates to having sex on duty.

Since Washington established its certification commission in 2002, 78 officers have been decertified, including at least 23 since 2007. Idaho's Peace Officers Standards and Training office has decertified 127 officers since it was created in 1970, including 14 last year.

Officers who have been decertified in either state can no longer work in law enforcement, The Spokesman-Review newspaper reported Sunday after filing public records requests.

With about 10,000 law enforcement officers in Washington and 3,541 in Idaho, only a tiny fraction ever face decertification, the newspaper reported.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/16940341.html

Maybe this is why there is no report on the officer convicted..He never was convicted just "decertified"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
Greys Harbor County Sheriff office list of offenders...


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?SubmitAllSearch=1&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:50:56 PM
Lives in McCleary not far from Lindseys home, but look at the map on this link..zoom out a little to get perspective.

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=738573&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
One more offender.. that make 2 listed in McCleary

Look at his map also..


http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=745793&AgencyID=54470


Both of these men live near water..Looks like creeks, I do not know if that means anything..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
Here is another one just like him.. On the Lose..

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=752151&AgencyID=54470


Local people should be looking over the master list.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 10, 2009, 11:09:01 PM
McCleary seems to be a hot mess....last night when i posted she could have doubled back, she could have...the sighting from ??? by 6th could mean nothing...she could have turned around and started to head back 'cause it was dark...or ???could be lying...it really boggles my mind on how such a corrupt town became the place where kids hang out everywhere....reading post on the 1st thread got me wondering why anyone in the town would let their child out of their sight????
what is going on??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 10, 2009, 11:57:15 PM
http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?currentDate=2009-07-11


Lindsey will be featured on tomorrow night's American Most Wanted.
Catch AMW on Fox, Saturday Nights 9pm Eastern and Pacific, 8pm Central.


Title: Problems
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 11, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
WOW! What is with all the rso?  139 in one county

This is not good.  Looks like l.e. have their hands full.

BTW  I'm Michelle, I've been reading up on all this on Lindsey Baum, and I just don't know what to say.  It's just sickening there are so many predators out there, no child is safe. 

There needs to be something done about these sexual offenders being out of jail and living in society.  It is not right.

Anyway, as I stated, I've been reading all the posts trying to make sense of it but not having much luck.  This poor girl & her family are in my thoughts & prayers.

I have a 13 year old daughter & 16 year old son and I don't know what I'd do if something happened to either of them.  They think I'm too strict because I will not let them walk or ride their bikes anywhere.  If they want to go to a friends, I drive them, I pick them up when they are ready to come home and I make sure there is always an adult with them.  I'm sorry but you just can't be too careful.  Some day they will understand and thank me for being so protective.  That's my job as a parent.

Anyway, thanks for all the great information on this site and I hope they find her soon.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 12:24:28 AM
do you see how many of those so's are in aberdeen  gee!  they should just fence the place off and house them there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tripitaka on July 11, 2009, 12:43:09 AM
Greys Harbor County Sheriff office list of offenders...


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?SubmitAllSearch=1&AgencyID=54470


http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=744203&AgencyID=54470


Hi Monkeys,

Hope I don't destroy my first post/ quote.  SO nervous! 

Thanks for the Gray's Harbour link, Edward... I noticed this one (link above?)... Description of his tattoos caught my attention... (eating utensil)...
On the loose..

This case is mystifying me.  I'd be looking at anyone - everywhere.. and the dogs are onto something. JMO

O/T
I've been lurking for months and am astounded by the amazing work you all do.  You're all amazing Monkeys.   I keep forgetting to log in, cos I'm so used to observing.. ,and learning so much from you all in the process.  My deepest thanks and Monkey hugs to you all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:20:57 AM
 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:22:49 AM
TIPS ON MISSING MCCLEARY GIRL SOUGHT AT BEAR FESTIVAL

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office will be accepting tips on the missing 11-year-old McCleary girl during this weekend's Bear Festival. Authorities will be pulling their command center out of town to make room for the festival but extra deputies in uniform will remain to talk to the public about Lindsey Baum who disappear June 26th while walking home from a friend's house. Investigators have yet to find any evidence explaining the disappearance.

Lindsey Baum is a white female, four-foot-nine, 80 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing blue jeans, black sneakers, and a blue hooded sweatshirt. Anyone with information on Lindsey's whereabouts is asked to call the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office at (800) 562-8914.

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7749/reftab/1632/t/TIPS-ON-MISSING-MCCLEARY-GIRL-SOUGHT-AT-BEAR-FESTIVAL/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:27:26 AM
Reader comments:

mcmom wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM:

" Lindsey's 12 year old brother has been seen walking around by himself at 10 pm several times in the last couple of days. Would anyone like to comment on that? "

DianaD wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM:

" In my way of thinking, there are two mothers at fault here. That would be Lindsey's mother for not watching Lindsey better, and the mother from whose house she left at that time of night. I would not trust either one of them as far as I could throw them.

I think Scott knew he was well out of that marriage. God bless him for his service to our country.

This woman whose house Lindsey left from fancies herself a writer. Well, she surely has something to write about now - coincidence? I will not go to her site again because I left what she may think is a negative comment. She will not let anyone post if it is negative toward her. Oh, well, it IS her site. She cannot delete this comment.

What about this forestry guy? He jumped in there right away and has lived where little girls have come up missing. Also, now there was arson in the forrest there. He and this woman set off my hinky meter big time.

I care about Lindsey, not the irresponsible adults. May God bless Lindsey and help her to be found. Then, take these kids and let them live where someone will watch over them. "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tripitaka on July 11, 2009, 02:19:49 AM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.

Thanks for the warm welcome Northern Rose.  ::MonkeyDance:: 

(It's quiet around here now I notice, but I'm on the other side of the planet)....

I'm getting your not good feeling over here too.  When locals in a smallish town, don't trust their local police... we have problems that go unreported and ferment.  Praying for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 11, 2009, 09:58:21 AM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.

Thanks for the warm welcome Northern Rose.  ::MonkeyDance:: 

(It's quiet around here now I notice, but I'm on the other side of the planet)....

I'm getting your not good feeling over here too.  When locals in a smallish town, don't trust their local police... we have problems that go unreported and ferment.  Praying for Lindsey.
WELCOME, yes it is very quite. This is all very scary.   rebelgirl901 WELCOME   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470

Anthony Jenkins is aprehended in Colorado a while back. I really do watch sex offenders in my area. LOL Im a little wierd about that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 12:34:28 PM
Thank u so much for letting me in. I have been reading your posts since June 28th and pulling my hair out every time someone needs info. There is nothing more I would like to do than help find Lindsey. Every night I watch my 9 year old sleep I can not imagine the pain her loved ones are feeling so close to home. Driving threw Mccleary is like a cloud of icky surrounding a otherwise close comunity. I live 9 miles from mccleary Outside of Elma Wa. on a 280 acer dairy farm. I have checked every piece of our property for Lindsey. There is not much public access to the farm but there are plenty of roads around me that would be easy to travel unnoticed. I would like to be your eyes to our comunity. If you have something you need by all means Please ask me and I will go check it out. I have lived here my entire life and know quite a bit about our area. If I don't know I know someone who does. I am ready to hunt down any theories you might have. I have been thinking about quickest routes that someone would take to be unnoticed from where Lindsey was last seen and believe the safest travel for a creep would be 108 toward Shelton. You can reach Olympia that direction and also double back old country roads back to the Elma area. There is many SO on the coquallum rd (SPELLING) in Elma someone said something about lake arrowhead I think. That sends up a red flag. It has practically no LE only when called. It is very secluded with many little gravel roads every where. On the other hand there is Mason county. It is huge and woodsy also. IMO living here myself, I know LE will sit on and at freeway entrances and run plates all day till they find someone with a suspended licence or something to pull them over for. I have seen it happen more times than not. I have a GF that has been dating a state Patrol for a few years now and the stories he can tell are amazing. They live in Mccleary on the route I believe the person would have felt safest to take. I am thinking if there were officers out that day running plates they should double check them. They were there in the area that day so they might have seen something or they might be able to find the perpetrator.
 There were so many things I wanted to say to you all. If you could just ask me anything that crosses you mind I would be happy to help out in ANY way! Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Thank u so much for letting me in. I have been reading your posts since June 28th and pulling my hair out every time someone needs info. There is nothing more I would like to do than help find Lindsey. Every night I watch my 9 year old sleep I can not imagine the pain her loved ones are feeling so close to home. Driving threw Mccleary is like a cloud of icky surrounding a otherwise close comunity. I live 9 miles from mccleary Outside of Elma Wa. on a 280 acer dairy farm. I have checked every piece of our property for Lindsey. There is not much public access to the farm but there are plenty of roads around me that would be easy to travel unnoticed. I would like to be your eyes to our comunity. If you have something you need by all means Please ask me and I will go check it out. I have lived here my entire life and know quite a bit about our area. If I don't know I know someone who does. I am ready to hunt down any theories you might have. I have been thinking about quickest routes that someone would take to be unnoticed from where Lindsey was last seen and believe the safest travel for a creep would be 108 toward Shelton. You can reach Olympia that direction and also double back old country roads back to the Elma area. There is many SO on the coquallum rd (SPELLING) in Elma someone said something about lake arrowhead I think. That sends up a red flag. It has practically no LE only when called. It is very secluded with many little gravel roads every where. On the other hand there is Mason county. It is huge and woodsy also. IMO living here myself, I know LE will sit on and at freeway entrances and run plates all day till they find someone with a suspended licence or something to pull them over for. I have seen it happen more times than not. I have a GF that has been dating a state Patrol for a few years now and the stories he can tell are amazing. They live in Mccleary on the route I believe the person would have felt safest to take. I am thinking if there were officers out that day running plates they should double check them. They were there in the area that day so they might have seen something or they might be able to find the perpetrator.
 There were so many things I wanted to say to you all. If you could just ask me anything that crosses you mind I would be happy to help out in ANY way! Lora


Lora-welcome to the monkey cage! what a wonderful first post..i am a newbie as well :)

I think it's great that you have taken such an active role in trying to find Lindsey...i believe if everyone in the community and surrounding areas were to do what you are doing by searching your property and trying to come up with anything you can to help crack the case, this little girl may be found soon. i firmly believe that someone knows something and just won't talk..it makes me ill...

i really hope LE is talking to all of the sex offenders in the area...i believe that all of those backroads and remote areas need to be searched...i feel like they should be organizing more volunteer searches or the family should request assistance from texas equusearch...maybe america's most wanted's coverage of the case will help tonite...

have you heard anything that you think should be looked into further?  do people own a lot of hunting cabins off of the backroads you are talking about?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470
Thanks Edward


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

I will be as careful as a person can be when looking for an endangered child. LOL I was kinda wild in my younger years. Wander if I still have it in me? (joking) kinda. I don't understand why people are not ready to just jump right in. I see the ones who have  tho. It makes me sad not more mothers are banding together to end this. I mean when it comes to children I can see myself blacking out in a fit of rage to protect them if it came down to it. (I'm just a mom not a loon) LOL feel free to check me out all you want. LOL I can handle any questioning cause I have nothing to hide. That is the attitude I wish others would take. Who cares what people think as Long as you are doing something for the good you most certainly get a good sleep at night.  Hugs to you all .. Keep your brains thinking and post those questions. Lets find Lindsey!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:20:20 PM
hello Madibabe, welcome!  so glad to have you here.

do you know where this Jim Mullin Creek might be.  It is said they searched that area 6 times.  The assessors parcel they say is his does not correspond with the address they give of 220 sought 6th, and neither are any Mullin names listed at that address.  I am not sure what is messed up, but somthing is.  There is also no creek running through the parcel shown on the assessors map for the parcel said to be his. 

I am wondering if he has another parcel we are not finding.  I would really like to know where Jim Mullin's creek is so we can see who lives around there etc, because they did not search that area 6 times for no reason, especially when there are so many other places they did not search at all. 

I am wondering if the dogs actually led them to that creek and they just are not saying so.

I did find another address for jim mullin over by lake arrowhead.  So that is why I was wondering about that area?  is that the are where jim mullin creek is?  or could it be that area up behind lindsey's house over by the water towers?  there is a creek running through back there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
with all the sex offenders around the area you would think someone would here of some creepo acting inappropriately.  is there any certain person/persons which people / kids would know to stay away from? 

have you heard anything at all about a white vehicle following anyone.  there was a post on the net saying something about lindsey might have been followed by a white car.  I have someone else telling me someone was followed by a white vehicle.  do you know of any creepo's around who might be driving a white vehicle?
have you heard anything about that? 

there is a guy on myspace "robi" who a teen girl was saying tried to kiss her and she said he was about 30 yrs old.  I have been told this robi lives with some lady named ashley in elma.  that a lot of kids are around there, do you know anything about this place?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:47:27 PM
does the name Roger ring a bell?  he lives in mccleary I am told.  I don't know anything else about him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
do you know where the store is that lindsey was said to sometimes work at in the front?  this I suppose is Mccann's store.  Do you know anything about what kind of people go there?  what do they sell?  where is it located.  Or the name of it.

are there places around that have social events for the kids, any churches, can you tell me about anything going on at the chruches in mccleary, for kids.  I was told lindsey was seen at one of those churches about 3 weeks before she went missing.  she might have just been over there with her mother's friend for all I know.  but I was wondering if social events over there for kids was common and do mccleary kids often attend them


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
this is kind of a weird question but I really wonder about this stuff.

I am definitely not the prudish type, and I am actually pretty lax about things, moreso than most I would think, but I am older now and things are a bit different now than they were, but still, I am around a lot of younger people who have kids this age, and it is usually really easy for me to talk with and get along with kids etc.  I am still young at heart and like to act silly etc, and I stay up on music of the times and can have a good conversation with kids on their level and about their intersts, but for the life of me, I don't really know many kids going around "dating" and "going out with" or being "a couple" at age 10-11. 

Is that common there?

and where would they go on a "date" or if they were "going out"?  is that to the elma dance? 
I just don't get this?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
New Monkeys in The House   ::MonkeyAngel:: Welcome!

Madibabe - Hi - I have a specific question for you and I hope you can answer.  I was hoping you would get processed in soon ~ and I see that you did - Yea!

My question is in regards to your first post and the story of your car being hit by a big white pick-up, with tools and such in the back, that was traveling through your town and hit your car.  I believe you said you finally located the guy at a bar?  He was the boyfriend of the girl that owned the truck?  Do I have this correct?  Do you have his name?  Unless he is a minor, I'm pretty sure you can post it if you care to.

There is a lead that specifically mentions a vehicle matching that description and when I read your post, that is one thing that jumped out at me.  I realize you stated that this incident happened four years ago. 

So happy to have you with us!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
are there transients in the area, living out, "camping", homeless camps?  if so, where would they most likely be?

do you have problems in the area with the drug cartels coming in and growing "crops"?  we have a lot of that where I live.  so much so it really is not safe to be wandering around in the woods during growing season.  good way to get shot and never heard from again.

oh another thing I was wondering do you have lava caves in that area


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

Tracygirl ~ Not sure if your computer is working right or not yet, but in the meantime, your Avatar is killing me.....HOW CUTE IS THAT??    ::MonkeyDevil::

xo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
one other thing I was wonder.

about the bear festival, do they have "events/competitions" there where people from out of town would "follow" these kinds of events to participate in them?  we use to have festivals where loggers from all over the usa would come to compete in the events. 

if they do have these events I wonder how early the competitors might show up and where they would most likely stay.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
do you know of any other missing persons in the area, their names or anything about them etc. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
Wow, I am glad that people from the area are here. Cops running plates was a good idea. My idea was the liquor store, was there been anyone in there that was newish to the area ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
oh this map, the red line is mommsen, lindsey's road
you see it wind around to the east and back in almost a loop, then it almost runs into the highway
do you know if there is easy access from that road to the highway? 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumhouse-topo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
hello Madibabe, welcome!  so glad to have you here.

do you know where this Jim Mullin Creek might be.  It is said they searched that area 6 times.  The assessors parcel they say is his does not correspond with the address they give of 220 sought 6th, and neither are any Mullin names listed at that address.  I am not sure what is messed up, but somthing is.  There is also no creek running through the parcel shown on the assessors map for the parcel said to be his. 

I am wondering if he has another parcel we are not finding.  I would really like to know where Jim Mullin's creek is so we can see who lives around there etc, because they did not search that area 6 times for no reason, especially when there are so many other places they did not search at all. 

I am wondering if the dogs actually led them to that creek and they just are not saying so.

I did find another address for jim mullin over by lake arrowhead.  So that is why I was wondering about that area?  is that the are where jim mullin creek is?  or could it be that area up behind lindsey's house over by the water towers?  there is a creek running through back there.
Thank you Doubledecker! I have followed your posts and love the questions you come up with. I will fill you in as much as I can.
Jim Mullin creek is what i will work on today. I will find and take photos if posable. I will get the gps location for you. I wander if the refer to it as Jim mullin creek because its on his property? I dont thing there is an officail Jim Mullin creek. Can you give me the link to his address at lake arrowhead? I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark, so I have been told. I will ask her if she knows of any creeks in Mccleary maybe the children freaquent.
I do not believe its behind Lindseys house. There are other homes and the hospital on the hill. Down ferther from her home there is wooded area but right where her house is its mostly houses. I will drive around this afternoon and take some photos. I will reporty everything tonight. :) Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.
Not that I know of. I know teens party  and smoke pot on the log roads. I have heard of a place called circle pit before from the kids. Just a party spot deep in the woods. I can find out more from my kids and there friends about places in the woods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

Tracygirl ~ Not sure if your computer is working right or not yet, but in the meantime, your Avatar is killing me.....HOW CUTE IS THAT??    ::MonkeyDevil::

xo
Thank you, CBB sent my little monkey on vacation! , no work today,stuck with this darn computer! No long posts from me today!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:45:19 PM
Sorry,I forgot my manners....

Welcome to all the new Monkeys!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:51:04 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
Wow, I am glad that people from the area are here. Cops running plates was a good idea. My idea was the liquor store, was there been anyone in there that was newish to the area ?

I will call it into the tip line and maybe the fbi will get the plates they ran that day.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 03:53:03 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?
I do not know . I have went threw town looking for the flyers but found none. I will look again today when we are out checking things out


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:57:26 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?
I do not know . I have went threw town looking for the flyers but found none. I will look again today when we are out checking things out
Thank you Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 11, 2009, 04:04:38 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.
Oh wow, thanks, and WELCOME.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora

Adults mid20-50's who are hanging out with young kids??? Maybe they are youngish acting, ie cloths, cars, language


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:09:53 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

Where on a map???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 11, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
Hello everyone, anything new happening today?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg
I did not see any news of Tori or sandra. I watch the news but did not catch that. They must have not been aired here. there is a man that is a rso that was trying to get my 17 year old to go to the store with him in a car a few weeks ago. It was in Oakville. She was there with a girlfriend and had not been there before, but it was a party she told me . My daughter said it gave her the creeps cause he told her he was only 20 years old. She laughed in his face and got in her car and came home. just to let you know she will be 18 in 2 monthes. I dont condone going to parties but can not put her on a leash. just to let you know. LOL  This sex offender is in Oakville wa  dark short hair. I will look for him and post the link


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

Where on a map???
where it says fork  dam


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
I feel like I am getting something done!! Keep the questions flying, anything off the tiop of your head I will tell you what I know. I see there are questions about the rock quaries and such above I do know where some are and will get that info today. Im heading out to find Lindsey. It takes a village you know. :) Hugs, Lora TTY in a few hours


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:21:36 PM
o ya I forgot if anyone had any questions while Im out that are important you can text me Ill be happy to help. Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:29:53 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg
I did not see any news of Tori or sandra. I watch the news but did not catch that. They must have not been aired here. there is a man that is a rso that was trying to get my 17 year old to go to the store with him in a car a few weeks ago. It was in Oakville. She was there with a girlfriend and had not been there before, but it was a party she told me . My daughter said it gave her the creeps cause he told her he was only 20 years old. She laughed in his face and got in her car and came home. just to let you know she will be 18 in 2 monthes. I dont condone going to parties but can not put her on a leash. just to let you know. LOL  This sex offender is in Oakville wa  dark short hair. I will look for him and post the link

What kind of car did he have? maybe go to the gas station and ask if they had see a man like that in that kind of car


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2009, 04:48:28 PM
Wasn't there a post about a white car that the driver was trying to get girl(s) to get in ?
McCleary is close to two major highways and then there is the woods, the woods where there was an arson.
I think the answer is going to come from persons in McCleary who are observant and get suspicious about the persons nearest them. And the kids. I've posted before about kids knowing who gets their skin crawling
or what adults or older persons who get too friendly in a wierd way. Who is willing to buy the booze for the kids to get near them ? Our drinking age here in Canada is 18. It's happened here, SO's being very helpful, then they abuse the girls after they get them drunk. In the city it's at some run
down shack of a house, in the rural areas it's at bush parties.
..
Another thing I read was that Lindsey missed school because of " stress" .
She's ten, what kind of stress could a girl that age have at school where she didn't want to go there ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 05:16:56 PM
Wasn't there a post about a white car that the driver was trying to get girl(s) to get in ?
McCleary is close to two major highways and then there is the woods, the woods where there was an arson.
I think the answer is going to come from persons in McCleary who are observant and get suspicious about the persons nearest them. And the kids. I've posted before about kids knowing who gets their skin crawling
or what adults or older persons who get too friendly in a wierd way. Who is willing to buy the booze for the kids to get near them ? Our drinking age here in Canada is 18. It's happened here, SO's being very helpful, then they abuse the girls after they get them drunk. In the city it's at some run
down shack of a house, in the rural areas it's at bush parties.
..
Another thing I read was that Lindsey missed school because of " stress" .
She's ten, what kind of stress could a girl that age have at school where she didn't want to go there ?

MLaChester posted that information regarding a car. No report to the police as far as we've been told or passed on to residents that this actually happened at any time. Happy to ask again though to double check.

Stress was - I imagine a combination of things - I posted previously she was harassed at school by some other girls daily called horrible names and joked about topped with missing her dad I can't imagine school being anything but stressful for her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
I feel like I am getting something done!! Keep the questions flying, anything off the tiop of your head I will tell you what I know. I see there are questions about the rock quaries and such above I do know where some are and will get that info today. Im heading out to find Lindsey. It takes a village you know. :) Hugs, Lora TTY in a few hours

Thanks Lora sounds like you are familiar more with the surrounding areas which may come in really handy. Thank you for doing this...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.
Not that I know of. I know teens party  and smoke pot on the log roads. I have heard of a place called circle pit before from the kids. Just a party spot deep in the woods. I can find out more from my kids and there friends about places in the woods.

just got back on, reading your responses now.  I had to go to sleep LOL  I have had no sleep since this case began, is driving me crazy ugh. let me read through posts.   I saw a circle pit on my old mining maps, let me see if I can find it now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora

ah... what I would like to know about the ponds is:

do kids of all ages go there? do adults? is this a place where weirdos might know about and know kids are around so they go there to hang out where the kids are?  is it also a place where you could sit off somewhere and watch kids and they not see you? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:38:15 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

oh hmmm so that is the creek.  Kara said the kids use to go swimming there all the time but she made her daughter quit going there because it was a place where people hung out drinking etc.  that post is somewhere on the board here.  one of the sex offenders lives up that creek area a ways, let me get it on the map.  I wonder if you could easily walk down to that creek from his house.  also, I wonder, it being a friday night, if there was a party down there and kids might going to go there?  and I wonder if adults party there as well.  does your son know if they have parties out there?  and if so, is there a specific spot along that creek they have them.  also there is a dam upstream on the creek a ways?  let me get a topo map of that area

pleas excuse all my typos, and I leave out a lot of "n" letters becuause the N key on my keboard actually has a huge hole in it from my fingernails and most the time it will not hit it.  also the screen on here for some reason alwayws jumps and I can't see what I am typing of go back and fix it.  ugh.  so that is why my typing is such a mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:20:38 PM
lol aren't we a pair! I will giveyou a "n" fora spacebar!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
hmm on FORK DAM.  that is interesting name.  I saw the dam on the map.  I wonder if there is a place out there by the creek/dam they call FORKS?  can you ask your son, LORA.  thanks.  your answers are really helping me a lot.  Now I can get my brain in geer and THINK again.  I was at a total standstill there for a bit.  ugh.

I will get some better maps but for now the creek, dam, and simpson door plant is all on this one

at the top left of the map you will see the word FORK in blue, right to the upper right of the word FORK you will see the dam and the word DAM.  follow that creek SW to the left and down, that is the creek they swim in behind simpson door plant. 

see that gray building in the white spot just below the dam and FORK, just to the left and down from the circle with 108, and just to the left of STACK, that white area with those gray buildings in simpson door plant.  see that road that is running straight into that largest gray building there, that is north 6th street.  there are a bunch of dirt roads or dirt trails back there too, I will get up anonther map to show those.  but this is the creek back there coming from the DAM. 

elma hicklin road is to the north and on the other side of the creek less than a mile from the simpson door plant, this is where one of the so's live.  I'll get it on another map



(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumhouse-topo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:29:46 PM
hmmm forks...there is that word again


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
this is the sex offender listed on elma hicklin road.  you can see he lives north of the simpson door plant and could easily walk down the creek to get to where the kids swim.  these maps are a little off it appears.  seems the creek and the RR tracks do not really match up right, let me get better maps and mark out all this stuff on them.

Name: MICHAEL DAVID FEESER Registration #: 558380
Level:  Level II 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-so-feeser-1.jpg)

Physical Description
• Age: 35 • Height: 5.09
• Sex: M • Weight: 190
• Race: Caucasian • Eyes: Blue
• Hair: Brown
• Scars/Tattoos: Tattoo on R_arm (Pig) , Tattoo on L_arm (In Memory of Grandpa) 
       
Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road McCleary, WA 98557   
       
Offenses
• Description: 9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree.,
• Date Convicted: 01/02/1992 
• Date Released:   
• Details:

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-so-map1.jpg)

Is he still in custody?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
okay on the map above, the creek he is on is not the creek behind the simpson door plant, looks like there is a closer creek than the one he is on.  If you compare the two maps they are not making sense to me.  let me get ONE map with all this stuff in one place


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I certainly agree with you...If they really did find her sweatshirt on that creek back there then it makes sense they searched it 6 times. 

Now the question is, did the dogs track her there and they are not saying?  or did they not track her there but her sweatshirt ended up out there.  perhaps it was left somewhere and someone threw it out there later?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:45:27 PM
year conviced 1992??? he is out, a man did 14 years for killing a teen and was allowed to live across the street from a school, molestation gets you about 6 months  bet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:48:18 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 06:54:27 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the Forks reference was first dropped by an anonymous  commenter as a comment left on one of the news article sites.  I believe it was brought over from there, at which time we thought maybe it was a Twilight reference (as coincidentally,  that's the name of a town in the book). 

But you are so correct Traceygirl....there's that word again.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
The comment left at the article site simply read something like "Maybe they should look up in or try Forks".  Something along that line. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:33 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??

maybe it was read...the kidnapper could be reading on the net or the poster might say they are from indiana, could be a lie. Don't know either


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??

maybe it was read...the kidnapper could be reading on the net or the poster might say they are from indiana, could be a lie. Don't know either

they had a lot of posts, I went through and read them all; well, scanned them really, and I gathered she was from indiana, and she was a she.  but I dont KNOW who the poster is or what, as never know about people online or what they are saying. 

I never did think that comment meant FORKS as in the town of twilight.  I also thought it rang of being cryptic and fugured it was on the map somewhere in the mccleary area or near there.   but most likely it is not cryptic LOL  I didn't go through her most a lot but a little to see if there were other cryptic clues in there, but I did not see anything right off that seemed familiar to me, but I always kept the forks word in my mind just in case I ran into forks around mccleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing

I can't say one way or the other for sure but right now for all of us here "what if" is all we really have to go on so please by all means if you come up with a theory please run with it. I don't think any possibility should be closed.

I will share my opinion though as to where I think that rumor started: I know they searched that area several times along with a few others just as many times but using the dogs they had a shirt of Lindsey's being used for "scent" and those I believe are kept in evidence bags so that the scent does not dissipate or so it is stronger for the dogs. If nothing was found then this (seeing clothing in an evidence or any bag) is what I believe may have led someone to think something had been found possibly. Again that is only a guess and a possibility I honestly don't know one way or the other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

that is what we used to call them, lol. a hooded sweatshirt Of course we would not wear them in the summer!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing

I can't say one way or the other for sure but right now for all of us here "what if" is all we really have to go on so please by all means if you come up with a theory please run with it. I don't think any possibility should be closed.

I will share my opinion though as to where I think that rumor started: I know they searched that area several times along with a few others just as many times but using the dogs they had a shirt of Lindsey's being used for "scent" and those I believe are kept in evidence bags so that the scent does not dissipate or so it is stronger for the dogs. If nothing was found then this (seeing clothing in an evidence or any bag) is what I believe may have led someone to think something had been found possibly. Again that is only a guess and a possibility I honestly don't know one way or the other.

Wow you are good! Great theory!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:26:26 PM
yes they do keep the scenting articles in a sealed bag,  and you are right someone could have seen that in there and thought they found something.  like some dumbo reporter haha


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 07:28:08 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

Yeah some of the flyers that were put and printed up by others as well as some news stations have her shirt as a sweatshirt instead of a long sleeve blue shirt with hood. Not necessarily a crucial difference but I for one when looking at what someone is wearing make note of garment by material so to me the term sweatshirt seems heavy and possibly bulky which hers was not so it is just something that I wanted to point out more so for anyone who may see her or should someone find something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 11, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
Why are there so many sex offenders in all of these towns? Has it always been this way? It seems like there are so many predators after our kids these days.  I am scared for my kids to go into the yard alone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 11, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
this is kind of a weird question but I really wonder about this stuff.

I am definitely not the prudish type, and I am actually pretty lax about things, moreso than most I would think, but I am older now and things are a bit different now than they were, but still, I am around a lot of younger people who have kids this age, and it is usually really easy for me to talk with and get along with kids etc.  I am still young at heart and like to act silly etc, and I stay up on music of the times and can have a good conversation with kids on their level and about their intersts, but for the life of me, I don't really know many kids going around "dating" and "going out with" or being "a couple" at age 10-11. 

Is that common there?

and where would they go on a "date" or if they were "going out"?  is that to the elma dance? 
I just don't get this?  ::MonkeyShocked::

D.D.  I don't know about McCleary but around here when they say "going out" it's just a term they use for when they have a b/f g/f and not necessarily dating per say.  My daughter uses that "going out" phrase all the time but she isn't allowed to date nor go to a boys house.  It does sound strange I know but it's just what they say.

Hope this helps.

Also, having a teenage daughter, I can tell you they do have A LOT of drama (mostly over boys) but girls can be really mean & nasty.  My daughter is 13 and she's had trouble with some girls at her school.  I've been to the school on several occasions to file complaints about harassment/bullying.  Sadly, some of the parents don't care and are just as bad if not worse than their daughters (probably where they learned it from).  I have had less drama with my 16 year old son than with my daughter.   

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone and I feel badly for Lindsey & her family but and this is a big BUT something just isn't right about this.  I don't know what it is but I get this strange feeling about what happened to Lindsey.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 08:10:39 PM
Why are there so many sex offenders in all of these towns? Has it always been this way? It seems like there are so many predators after our kids these days.  I am scared for my kids to go into the yard alone.


The sad thing is - is that when I use to live in Aberdeen 3 or 4 years ago I had to look up offenders. I had no clue that there were so many around the Hoquiam and Aberdeen area - actually even when I looked them up I did not find a quarter of the ones I've seen posted since Lindsey disappeared. You would think that would be part of your welcome to the city package that all those companies like to send you.

Now with Lora on the board and hearing about Brian Peak I am curious how many of the people that are new to town and living in his area know about him? Probably none unless a neighbor has clued them in. It was difficult for me to find too much information on him when I was searching now having heard about him and his crimes.

It should be mandatory for there to be a regular notice to go out to folks as kind of a reminder. In AZ at least the apartments that we lived in posted the picture of local offenders right on the office door and windows. I'd like to see a little more of that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

oh hmmm so that is the creek.  Kara said the kids use to go swimming there all the time but she made her daughter quit going there because it was a place where people hung out drinking etc.  that post is somewhere on the board here.  one of the sex offenders lives up that creek area a ways, let me get it on the map.  I wonder if you could easily walk down to that creek from his house.  also, I wonder, it being a friday night, if there was a party down there and kids might going to go there?  and I wonder if adults party there as well.  does your son know if they have parties out there?  and if so, is there a specific spot along that creek they have them.  also there is a dam upstream on the creek a ways?  let me get a topo map of that area

pleas excuse all my typos, and I leave out a lot of "n" letters becuause the N key on my keboard actually has a huge hole in it from my fingernails and most the time it will not hit it.  also the screen on here for some reason alwayws jumps and I can't see what I am typing of go back and fix it.  ugh.  so that is why my typing is such a mess.
You know my son will be in Mccleary tionight with his girlfriend while she is babysitting. I will take a little walk with him back there being its saturday night and see where i can go . Whats the address of the sO I will look up the house on grays harbor Parcel and see if I can see it from there. Its a good night to check it out. Thanks for the question


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 08:35:56 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.
The acual thing My sons girlfriend told me was a coat. I do not know what she was wearing . I just told her the media said she had a sweatshirt not a coat. Im sure it could have been anyones.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Gizzie on July 11, 2009, 08:39:27 PM
DD, This is O/T and I apologize, but I've seen you mention a few times about the screen bouncing when you are typing. I've seen others asking the same thing, and they have been told it may be from the new IE8, so maybe that could be the problem you are having. Wanted to tell you, as I see it's been happening for you for a while. Hope this helps.

Sorry again for the O/T.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
DD, This is O/T and I apologize, but I've seen you mention a few times about the screen bouncing when you are typing. I've seen others asking the same thing, and they have been told it may be from the new IE8, so maybe that could be the problem you are having. Wanted to tell you, as I see it's been happening for you for a while. Hope this helps.

Sorry again for the O/T.  ::MonkeyAngel::

well gee maybe that is it, I really did not mean to install that stupid thing LOL  what do I know about computers haha, I tried to remove a ton of cookies the other day and ended up losing all my favorites, all my passwords and user names haha, now I can't find half my files.  gee.  what a mess.  I will try to uninstall IE8 if I accidently loaded it, I probably did as I noticed everything looks different LOL 

thanks for telling me that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
btw, on the map at the top, who owns that airstrip I wonder. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Gizzie on July 11, 2009, 08:54:08 PM


well gee maybe that is it, I really did not mean to install that stupid thing LOL  what do I know about computers haha, I tried to remove a ton of cookies the other day and ended up losing all my favorites, all my passwords and user names haha, now I can't find half my files.  gee.  what a mess.  I will try to uninstall IE8 if I accidently loaded it, I probably did as I noticed everything looks different LOL 

thanks for telling me that

You are so welcome! I don't know a thing about computers either, but it seems to fix the problem for others. I hope it works for you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
hmm found this michael feeser in washington, if that is his mugshot in 1992 and if this is him, he would have been 37 in that photo, does that guy look at that old in that photo?  maybe this is his father? let me look more.
FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)
  MCCLEARY, WA
SEATTLE, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)
FEESER WOODARD, SARAH J 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
I wonder if these are his relatives
Name: Ann M Feeser
Birth Date: May 1964
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)

Name: Hank Feeser
Birth Date: Sep 1947
Address:847 Elma McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0101 (1993)
[54 McCleary Elma Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1990)] 


 Name: Rhonda L Feeser
Birth Date: Sep 1947
Address: 847 Elma McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)
[54 McCleary Elma Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1990)]


Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)

View Record

PreviewName: Tamara K Feeser
Birth Date: Dec 1951
Phone Number: 495-4266
Address: Pob 595, McCleary, Washington 98557-0901 (1992)

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 Tamara K Feeser Dec 1951 495-4266 Pob 595, McCleary, Washington
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 Mark T Feeser Mar 1959 495-4266 Pob 595, McCleary, Washington
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 Judy Lynn Feeser     70 Williams McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington
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 Judylynn Dee Feeser     70 William, McCleary, Washington
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 Sarah Feeser     Pob 566, McCleary, Washington





 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
hmm found this michael feeser in washington, if that is his mugshot in 1992 and if this is him, he would have been 37 in that photo, does that guy look at that old in that photo?  maybe this is his father? let me look more.
FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)
  MCCLEARY, WA
SEATTLE, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)
FEESER WOODARD, SARAH J 

dang I can't even add LOL
he would have been 30 in the mugshot if this is him, if that mugshot photo was taken in 1992, maybe it was taken when he got out? I don't know, let me find his dob
he would have been


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:23:50 PM
whoa!!!

there is a common address with one of the feesers and the same last name as one of the kids on the myspace pages

let me go see if these people are related. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
sarah woodard is listed with michael d feeser
here are other towns she is connected to and she is also at the same address as someone with the same last name of one of the girls on myspace.
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
TUMWATER, WA
OLYMPIA, WA
MONTESANO, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
he is listed at the same address also
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
from a local I am told

you have to follow a trail that goes along the edge of the side and back of simpsons mill parking lot.  they you go along part of the mill before you get to the trail that leads you back to the creek area.  the creek does not sit far back but you have to go along the trail to get to it.  they say it takes about 3 minutes into the woods but 7+ minutes following the trail to get to the trail that leads to the creek.

some of the trail is not even trail, you have to wade through branches and bushes.

it seems the actual area the kids go to is in the area where the map shows the word FORK, it would be in the R or K area of that word on the map.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 11, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

that is what we used to call them, lol. a hooded sweatshirt Of course we would not wear them in the summer!


Tracygirl, the other Sunday, one of the kids (about 11) was wearing her Uggs.  It assuredly wan't even cool.
 :scratch:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 10:36:41 PM
I bet there are  ton of reports about teens being taken to the ER for heat stroke! honestly the stupidest fad ever!


So the kids hang out by FORKS???? there is that word again? Why does it keep popping up? strange? Maybe the poster knows kids hang out there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 10:39:28 PM
DD  I thinkthe man in the mug shot fits the type of preditor which would take lindsey. what was the details of hs prior?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
DD  I thinkthe man in the mug shot fits the type of preditor which would take lindsey. what was the details of hs prior?

I have not found anything on him about that, have not had time to look even ugh
right now I am trying to figure out how he is connected to one of those myspace girls.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:40:50 PM
Town festival 'not the same' with girl missing

MCCLEARY, Wash. - A little girl who vanished without a trace more than two weeks ago missed her 11th birthday this week - still with no sign of her.
The town where she lives celebrated its annual Bear Festival on Saturday - but it wasn't the same as in previous years.

Yes, there was a parade, and floats, and music - and flags waving. But there were also volunteers passing out flyers of the missing girl's photo.

"It's just getting harder and harder. I think every day that goes by, everybody just gets a little more upset," said Kim Paull, Lindsey's aunt.

John Munson of Olympia, who was there for the festival, agreed.

"It's just totally different, the atmosphere, it's just really something. It makes you want to cry," he said.

He and other visitors grabbed flyers from volunteers. "I'm gonna post them in Tumwater, Olympia and the Lacey area," he says.

That's exactly what McCleary police, the FBI and the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office want. Law enforcement personnel took advantage of the influx of visitors to familiarize people with Lindsey's plight.

"To get the word out. More people here, more people see the flyer, more people are aware of our situation here in McCleary," says the town's police chief, George Crumb.

Law enforcement was very visible on Saturday, hoping townspeople will talk to them about anything unusual.

Police also released new photos of Lindsey that were taken at a "Shop with a Cop" event last winter. They show a girl having a good time, with $100 to spend.

Her mother and this town still hold out hope, as exemplified on a sign at a local store that says simply "Hope & Pray."

"I feel her in my heart. And I know the statistics, but I know she's out there, and I know she's alive. And I want to her to know ... that I'm never going to stop looking for you," says Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:46:24 PM
Newly released photo.

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg)

http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:52:58 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:16:02 AM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.

hmmm how far off is the age?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 12, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.



http://jail.lewiscountywa.gov/
George Woodard
Arrest Date Arresting Agency Court Billing Agency> Bond Type> Bond Amount Warrent/Citation# Description
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Included $0.00 08-1-00876-7 KIDNAPPING 1ST DEG
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Cash or Bond $100,000.00 08-1-00876-7 RAPE CHILD 2CD
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Released by Court $0.00 C84770 DWLS 3RD DEGREE
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Serving Time $0.00 C84826 DWLS 3RD DEGREE


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:01:04 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.




oh wow!!!  this is getting unreal. 
I am so tired but I will stay up and keep working on trying to see how all these people are linking up and if they do in fact connect to one of the girls on myspace who have friends in common with lindsey and friends.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:06:00 AM

http://jail.lewiscountywa.gov/
George Woodard
Arrest Date Arresting Agency Court Billing Agency> Bond Type> Bond Amount Warrent/Citation# Description
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Included $0.00 08-1-00876-7 KIDNAPPING 1ST DEG
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Cash or Bond $100,000.00 08-1-00876-7 RAPE CHILD 2CD
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Released by Court $0.00 C84770 DWLS 3RD DEGREE
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Serving Time $0.00 C84826 DWLS 3RD DEGREE


RELEASED??  HUH?? !!!! they have to be kidding me OMG, why would you release someone like that?  did he post that big bond or did they let him out on an OR?  and where did this guy go? 

we need to find out if this is the same guy connected to michael feeser the SO in mccleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:15:38 AM
okay that is a George Patrick Woodard who is arrested for child rape in lewis county
and the one I am showing in mccleary is george P woodard, he is listed with a sarah j feeser/woodard.
gee.  this is most likely the same george, let me get some docs to confirm this.

I show one george I have in the church st mccleary address as 44, and one as 64, sometimes this database transposes ages with the other people in the household so I am not sure which on of these is right, but sarah J feeser/woodard is also there in that address and she is listed as 33. 

let me go find some marriage docs or something see who is who here and if this is the same one in the jail, gee they let this guy out of jail ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:18:41 AM
Is this the same George Woodard?


DOC Number
294146
Last Name
WOODARD
First Name
GEORGE
Date of Birth
Jul 28 1965
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
67
Weight
120
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Brown
Cause No.
891004121
County
Thurston
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Nov 29 1989
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
Release Date
Dec 19 1994
Sentence Status
EXPIRED



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:19:15 AM
don't know if this is him on facebook or not
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:35Z_BaSLqLIJ:www.facebook.com/gwoodard+george+patrick+woodard+washington&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:24:36 AM
looks like there might be a father and son, same name, we need a birthdate

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE
 MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
TUMWATER, WA
OLYMPIA, WA
MONTESANO, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)




.  WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)
  CENTRALIA, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA   

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)  


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:26:03 AM
Is this the same George Woodard?


DOC Number
294146
Last Name
WOODARD
First Name
GEORGE
Date of Birth
Jul 28 1965
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
67
Weight
120
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Brown
Cause No.
891004121
County
Thurston
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Nov 29 1989
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
Release Date
Dec 19 1994
Sentence Status
EXPIRED



that one might be the 44 yr old one I just listed above, would be the right age for the birthdate, and thurston county is the next county over from mccleary. 

let me find out who this guy is since we have his birthdate.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:26:19 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:32:48 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


this is the one I have on the map, who is up there north of the jim mullin creek area.  he is connected to the addresses of this woodard person. 

this is getting really weird. 

I wish I knew if lindsey's mother knew she was over in elma 3 weeks before she disappeared.  she was seen as a social event over there. 

KARA--can you find out if it is know she was over there.  it might just be she was over there with her mother or mccann. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:34:34 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


can you tell WHEN he was 35 years old on there. is that the date he was released or arrested in 1992?  of is that his age when this was printed?  hmm I am not sure which it is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:38:56 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


can you tell WHEN he was 35 years old on there. is that the date he was released or arrested in 1992?  of is that his age when this was printed?  hmm I am not sure which it is.
Here's another record with a DOB



DOC Number
989484
Last Name
FEESER


First Name
MICHAEL
Date of Birth
Aug 15 1973
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
66
Weight
220
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Cause No.
921000086
County
Grays Harbor
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Mar 16 1992
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
 Release Date
Feb 21 1997
Sentence Status
EXPIRED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:42:44 AM
thanks for that record with the birthdate that helps a LOT  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
thanks for that record with the birthdate that helps a LOT  ::MonkeyAngel::
You're Welcome! I'll BBL...Got to water My Azaleas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
by chance are there any sex offenses for any of these

23 CHURCH MCCLEARY, WA

ABERDEEN, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
HOQUIAM, WA
OCEAN CITY, WA

Possible Relatives:

THOMPSON, DEBORAH J (Age 52)
TOMPHSON, JANET M (Age 48)
THOMPSON, MICHAEL D (Age 46)
THOMPSON, MIKE D
THOMPSON, FRANK D (Age 79)
THOMPSON, MIYOKO M (Age 77)
THOMPSON, JAMES L (Age 74)
THOMPSON, NORMAN D (Age 67)
THOMPSON, ILENE P (Age 48)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WILLIAMSON, LEON R (Age 73)



MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, PAUL M (Age 85)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, I
FEESER, TRACY D (Age 46)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M




MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)
FEESER, PAUL M





Possible Employment / Business Associations:

SUPERIOR ROOF CARE LLC Roofing, Siding, and Sheet Metal Work
SUPERIOR ROOF CARE, LLC
MCCLEARY, WA
BREMERTON, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, I
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)




MCCLEARY, WA
BREMERTON, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, I
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)
FEESER, PAUL M

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, I
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)



GRAPEVIEW, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

HENDERSON, BARBARA J (Age 59)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
HENDERSON, LONNIE G (Age 43)
HENDERSON, NOLAN GENE (Age 37)
HENDERSON, CHARLES LEONARD (Age 66)
HENDERSON, VELMA D (Age 63)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
PHILBRICK, KAREN L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, VERNA D



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M




MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 12, 2009, 01:50:08 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:57:29 AM
this is getting complicated, too many feesers,

ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)

__________________

michael D feeser sex offender is born in 1973
would make him 36 now,
this one is 47.
so is the age on this off or is this someone else?
a relative with the same name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: demonKatt on July 12, 2009, 01:58:38 AM
I have to agree with doubledecker on Lora NOT going over to the creek.  It really isn't a good idea for anyone in the area to go out in the woods, trails creeks or wherever . (at least, not alone)..we don't know that the person who did this isn't following SM and/or other crime forums, and aware of your research.  Far better to be too paranoid, than not paranoid enough.  If any of you go walking around town, exploring, taking pics, whatever-please have someone yopu trust with you. I know you are all being careful, but at the same time, most of us leave online  'clues' unawares, that we could be traced by.  Just to be safe....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:59:36 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)

let me see if i can find out if walter webb is connected to woodard. 
I am beginning to wonder if some of these people are not involved in something together.  I haven't decided yet but it is starting to cross my mind. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:02:59 AM
I have to agree with doubledecker on Lora NOT going over to the creek.  It really isn't a good idea for anyone in the area to go out in the woods, trails creeks or wherever . (at least, not alone)..we don't know that the person who did this isn't following SM and/or other crime forums, and aware of your research.  Far better to be too paranoid, than not paranoid enough.  If any of you go walking around town, exploring, taking pics, whatever-please have someone yopu trust with you. I know you are all being careful, but at the same time, most of us leave online  'clues' unawares, that we could be traced by.  Just to be safe....

well, I am finding out a little bit more than I expected, but I have not confirmed a lot of it, but to be on the safe side, I don't think it a good idea to wander around in the woods and possibly stumble onto something you'd be better off not knowing. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:05:53 AM
a really quick look and I don't see a walter webb with any of these people or in the area, but like I said, it was a really quick look. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:08:14 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)
I found two Walter Webb's but They are both listed as TX Sex Offenders...Do You have a Date of Birth?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:11:48 AM
The only Feeser that I have found listed as a sex offender is Michael and that is in all states.
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:15:02 AM
I checked Washington DOC for Walter Webb and came up empty for any convictions no Walter Webb's found! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:26:15 AM
this is going to get very confusing ugh we have 2 george woodards 20 years apart living in the same house, sarah is sarah woodard/feeser, not sure which is her married name(woodard or feeser) and we have a micheal d feeser with them who is 11 years older than the michael david feeser who is the sex offender.
so now to figure this mess out


FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)

Associated names:

 WOODARD,  SARAH
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:36:49 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:37:05 AM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 02:39:21 AM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the Elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in Elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or chaperone's(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds around where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to
The kids do travel between Elma and mccleary alot. There is grays harbor transit that runs about every hour or so.
Yes the kids do all pretty much know eachother after the 5th grade. They have the choice to attend Elma middle
school and high school. The middle school starts in 6th grade in Elma and there is no high school in Mccleary.

  Elma has a Dance every Friday usually. I know the lady who runs it. Yes there are all ages there. She and my daughter just chaperoned the
last dance Ronda will do the night that Lindsey went missing.  Ronda's son just died a month ago of an overdose of his medication.
He went to school with my son. Austin Burrows was 19 years old. So there is another person who does the dance. He is a girlfriend
of mines father. He does it with his 16 year old granddaughter. She downloads the hip music and he makes sure everything runs smooth.
I myself would never put him on a suspect list as he is about 65 years old and is the local Santa. I mean really for 15 years he
has decorated his home with hundreds of lights and stands out handing out candy canes in his drive for the three days  before Christmas.
Him and his wife  also raise goats and take them to the fair every year. He has been a very dedicated man in our comunity for many years.
Besides he is rarely alone. He is either with his wife, his friend that helps him with the fair, or his daughter and grandkids.
But you can look at everyone including myself as far as I am concerned if it gets Lindsey home in the fastest possible time. :)
  As for rentinghouses I think they do credit checks for the most part, but i am sure there r some who don't.
Farm work is where the migrant workers go, and a nursery called Briggs. About a week ago there were 90 hispanics deported from there.
They also Peel bark and pick slou brush. I remember when my kids were young about 15 years ago there were fights in the woods over bark
and slou brush territory. A few were shot and killed in the woods over it.
  Camp grounds are at Shaffer state park. You must register but they do not check ID. Also RV parks there are 2 in Elma with lots of people
there all the time as I can tell.
 Fishing .... usually the chehalis River or Whynoochie River. The chehalis runs on the back part of our property.
There only few locked gates on log roads. Anyone can travel from town to town on the back log roads easy if they are not like mer and get lost at every turn :)
  I have not seen and hunting cabins around but..... there is a old logging comunity way out in the woods called Saginaw's.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411&imgrefurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411%26CISOBOX%3D1%26REC%3D7&usg=__w1z4t7E0YOGmtBSmgBREkVOcsqU=&h=618&w=768&sz=105&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=_ZsTJbrWhanQwM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaginaw%2527s%2Blog%2Bcamp%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26um%3D1
http://www.historicbrooklyntavern.com/saginaw.htm



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:41:45 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 12, 2009, 02:43:48 AM
a really quick look and I don't see a walter webb with any of these people or in the area, but like I said, it was a really quick look. 

Walter George Webb age 39.  Arrested on or about June 1st 2009.  Has not yet been convicted so most likely would not show up in SO Registry unless he had a previous record?

Father is Walter L Webb  Age 74, Mother Wanda Age 74 and sister is also Wanda.  I happen to know who his father is, that is why I looked to see what he was in jail for.  I thought at first it was the Dad - so I did some searching.  I found a small article in the Olympian Newspaper and a people search showed he has lived in Olympia, Tumwater and Chehalis Washington. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:43:51 AM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)

up there in your post is
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557


that would be the 10 block of elma hicklin road so that is the address of the sex offender michael david feeser, so they are related somehow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:46:15 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:50:43 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::
Oops..typing names wrong Freeser s/b Feeser......I'm going to call it a night...I'll check in tomorrow to see if I can do anything to help....

Good Night Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:54:50 AM
a thought, the michael d feeser age 47 in the data base for some reason might have the age off by 10 years, could be a typo when they entered the info. if so, then it would be he is really 37 and he would be the right age for the sex offender one.  he would also be about right to be married to sarah j woodard/feeser as she is 33 and he would then be 4 years older than she is.  being these people are listed at the 10 block of elma hilkins road it has to be the same house as the sex offender is listed at.  so I am wonder and thinking the age in the database is off.

I need a marriage record for sarah j woodard and michael d feeser and see what age he really is.  I believe they are married and the georges are her brother and father. 

let me go dig


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:56:45 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::
Oops..typing names wrong Freeser s/b Feeser......I'm going to call it a night...I'll check in tomorrow to see if I can do anything to help....

Good Night Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::

haha we are thinkig the very same thing about the age, a typo error.  yes I think we will find we are right about this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:59:48 AM
thank you for all of that info madibabe, I just did not want to quote that post and have all that repost LOL
it helps a lot to know all these things, gives us more ideas what is going on in the area and where we might look etc.  I am so tired right now I can't even comment but will tomorrow.  my brain is spun  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:15:12 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Can you see if this george has been married before and divorced?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:24:38 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:25:50 AM
I have to go to sleep ugh, making a note here so I don't forget to look at this tomrrow
dwight feeser grays harbor county appealing a murder change for murder of brian sheets.
http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Briefs/A02/339617%20appellant.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:28:04 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Can you see if this george has been married before and divorced?

normally I can find them, sometimes I can't .  I am having a hard time with this family but that is normal when you get into a family of convicted criminals, they change names etc and it makes it hard to find things, but I will look tomorro, right noow i have to go to sleep, I am dead tired.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:30:27 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks

yes email me and I will look it up tomorow, I am getting reading to head to sleep, just as soon as I read these last few posts. 

keysring@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:31:48 AM
okay I am off to sleep, see you all tomorrow. thanks for all the help from everyone and the new people. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 03:43:23 AM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Investigators to work on missing girl case


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.

Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to P.O. Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808118.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 04:20:27 AM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the Elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in Elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or chaperone's(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds around where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to
The kids do travel between Elma and mccleary alot. There is grays harbor transit that runs about every hour or so.
Yes the kids do all pretty much know eachother after the 5th grade. They have the choice to attend Elma middle
school and high school. The middle school starts in 6th grade in Elma and there is no high school in Mccleary.

  Elma has a Dance every Friday usually. I know the lady who runs it. Yes there are all ages there. She and my daughter just chaperoned the
last dance Ronda will do the night that Lindsey went missing.  Ronda's son just died a month ago of an overdose of his medication.
He went to school with my son. Austin Burrows was 19 years old. So there is another person who does the dance. He is a girlfriend
of mines father. He does it with his 16 year old granddaughter. She downloads the hip music and he makes sure everything runs smooth.
I myself would never put him on a suspect list as he is about 65 years old and is the local Santa. I mean really for 15 years he
has decorated his home with hundreds of lights and stands out handing out candy canes in his drive for the three days  before Christmas.
Him and his wife  also raise goats and take them to the fair every year. He has been a very dedicated man in our comunity for many years.
Besides he is rarely alone. He is either with his wife, his friend that helps him with the fair, or his daughter and grandkids.
But you can look at everyone including myself as far as I am concerned if it gets Lindsey home in the fastest possible time. :)
  As for rentinghouses I think they do credit checks for the most part, but i am sure there r some who don't.
Farm work is where the migrant workers go, and a nursery called Briggs. About a week ago there were 90 hispanics deported from there.
They also Peel bark and pick slou brush. I remember when my kids were young about 15 years ago there were fights in the woods over bark
and slou brush territory. A few were shot and killed in the woods over it.
  Camp grounds are at Shaffer state park. You must register but they do not check ID. Also RV parks there are 2 in Elma with lots of people
there all the time as I can tell.
 Fishing .... usually the chehalis River or Whynoochie River. The chehalis runs on the back part of our property.
There only few locked gates on log roads. Anyone can travel from town to town on the back log roads easy if they are not like mer and get lost at every turn :)
  I have not seen and hunting cabins around but..... there is a old logging comunity way out in the woods called Saginaw's.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411&imgrefurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411%26CISOBOX%3D1%26REC%3D7&usg=__w1z4t7E0YOGmtBSmgBREkVOcsqU=&h=618&w=768&sz=105&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=_ZsTJbrWhanQwM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaginaw%2527s%2Blog%2Bcamp%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26um%3D1
http://www.historicbrooklyntavern.com/saginaw.htm


I just re read your post and yes about 25 percent of the log roads are locked and loggers or owners have access. I see what you are getting at. also I don't see many kids hanging out with a big age difference maybe a few years but as I have seen 8,9,10.11, and maybe 12 year olds hang out but that might be a bit of a stretch.  Also there is a mill called Murphy company and it has a Little comunity called whitestar or whites by it . the mill was Weyerhauser 2 years ago between Elma and mccleary. My husband has worked there4 for 18 years. There is a big water think on the hill behind it also. The houses around it are mostly run down and its secluded.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 05:31:14 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks

yes email me and I will look it up tomorow, I am getting reading to head to sleep, just as soon as I read these last few posts. 

keysring@yahoo.com
I just got info on the feesers I had forgotten. Someone refreshed my memory and it might be of intrest, at least I think its very interesting.



                                            FACTS



       On May 5, 2005, Dwight Cletus Feeser shot and killed his friend Brian Sheets during an



argument.  The shooting occurred  at the home  of  Michael Feeser,  Dwight  Feeser's nephew,



where both Dwight Feeser and Sheets resided. 



       The State charged Feeser with  second  degree  murder by intentional killing, or in the



alternative, second degree felony murder in furtherance of second degree assault.  Feeser did not



challenge the sufficiency of the information below.  At trial, Feeser asserted self-defense. 



       The trial court  gave  the jury  alternative "to convict" instructions for second  degree



murder:  intentional killing and felony murder by causing death in furtherance of second degree



assault. Feeser did not challenge these instructions. The jury found Feeser guilty of second degree



murder. 



       At sentencing, the trial court noted that Feeser had four prior felony convictions:  (1)



unlawful taking of a motor vehicle in 1969, (2) unlawful taking of a motor vehicle in 1974, (3)

grand larceny in 1977, and (4) unlawful possession of a firearm in the second degree in 1997.2 



The State conceded that the 1974 unlawful-motor-vehicle-taking conviction and 1977 grand



1 In re Pers. Restraint of Cadwallader, 155 Wn.2d 867, 123 P.3d 456 (2005).



2 In its Brief of  Respondent, the State notes and attaches copies of Feeser's two prior

misdemeanor convictions, which occurred within five years of his 1997 firearm conviction and,

therefore, served as the basis for the State's unchallenged assertion that Feeser's 1997 firearm

conviction did not wash out under  RCW 9.94A.525(2).   These misdemeanor convictions,

however, are not part of the record on appeal; nor, apparently, were they part of the record in the

trial court. 



                                               2



33961-7-II



larceny conviction3 "washed out" under RCW 9.94A.525. The State asserted, and Feeser did not



object or request further proof, that Feeser's 1997 firearm possession did not wash out.   Both



Feeser and the State determined the same standard range sentence, 134-234 months, which the



State, at least, had derived from an offender score of one based on Feeser's 1997 conviction.



       Based on this same 1997 felony, the trial court also calculated an offender score of 1,



which yielded the same  standard  sentencing  range.  The trial court sentenced Feeser to 234


months confinement for his second degree murder conviction,  with an additional  60-month


That was the body I was speaking of that was found in mullins creek a few years ago.
 Here are some other tings I came accross
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4195256.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003074889_dige21m.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 07:14:51 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::
SO TIRED!!!!

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=939685&Name=ASHLEY, THOMAS &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=884340&Name=JONES, CHRISTOPHER STERLING&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=307175&Name=CARLSON, CHRISTOPHER GARY&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=997122&Name=ARNOLD, JAMES WILLIAM&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=628422&Name=WORMELL, DAVID ALLEN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=327433&Name=GILLIAM, JOSHUA GERALD&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=799740&Name=LINDSEY, CARL WILLIAM&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=306427&Name=GOMEZ, ELVIN ACEVEDO&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=993191&Name=JOHNSON, JOHN LEE&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=958253&Name=FORNAH, GEORGE BAI&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=811758&Name=KUHLMAN, TERRY TY&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=826792&Name=JOE, WILLIAM DEAN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=806744&Name=MAGANA, ANARBOL MENDOZA&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=285445&Name=PETERSON, MICHAEL EUGENE&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=892030&Name=GUTIERREZ, MANUEL RAYA&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=865430&Name=MATHIS, KURTIS JOHN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=872561&Name=CALDERON, ADRIAN &type=s

this one is close to Mccleary....
http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=713004&Name=BARR, BRADLEY &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=766012&Name=ARDELEAN, CIPRIAN SORIN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=286736&Name=WILLOYA, LARS P&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=872561&Name=CALDERON, ADRIAN &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=827962&Name=MASSINGILL, JOHN E&type=s

another close one
http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=925644&Name=BEGGLEY, JACOB STEPHEN&type=s

Or this guy . I wander how easy it is to work in the Mccleary school

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=35256


Ok I am so tired. you guys can go look at the rest I keep knodding off. For sure sleeping in tomorrow LOL  ttyt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 07:18:40 AM
OK I lied just one more thing I forgot to mention... The feeser fgamily used to own a home by the mill My husband works at. White star comunity oddonal ave elma wa 98541 just dont know the number. Anyway they know that area very well. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 08:07:54 AM
I am not nearly as talented as the monkeys in this cage, but I want to let you know how impressed I am.  I hope this research is not leading down the right path, however, because if it is---it does not look good for Lindsey.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

It is hard for me to believe that someone can murder/rape a child and then be released back onto the streets to do it once again.  It happens much more than I thought it did.

traci


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 12, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
I am not nearly as talented as the monkeys in this cage, but I want to let you know how impressed I am.  I hope this research is not leading down the right path, however, because if it is---it does not look good for Lindsey.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

It is hard for me to believe that someone can murder/rape a child and then be released back onto the streets to do it once again.  It happens much more than I thought it did.

traci
I second your post, I would have no idea how you investigate all you do, but thanks, am very impressed with what I'm reading, and also sick about what may have happened to Lindsey. Unbelievable what is walking our streets  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 10:55:11 AM
madibabe, thanks for that info on dwight feeser, that is about the same thing I left myself a note to look up before I went to bed last night. now it really is something that brian sheets, the person dwight was charged for the murder of, was found in the Jim Mullin Creek.  I would love to know where at on that creek his body was found.  Also thanks for the "Whites" location info that the Feesers once lived there and know that area.  I will search on a topo map and see what I see there.  I have noticed the "whites" "town" on the map before, but never looked around there.

I will also find out today how related dwight is to the rest of the feesers etc, I need to figure out a lot about this whole family and see just how many of them are doing something and their connections to the mullin creek area.  we figured out last night that the woodwards, georges and sarah J woodard/feeser is connected to the address on elma hickson(or whatever the name of that road is) where the sex offender michael david feeser was listed, and we figure he is the same one listed with sarah and the georges woodards but his age is an error in the basic database; and I will try to find a doc today to see if that is really him or not.  most likely it is, but might not be so I will look for docs to confirm or not.

I have "home chores" to do every morning, I have to get to work on them and will pop in here between them, but I won't be able to look up a lot of stuff until I am through withi is around 10:30-12 noon ugh, but then I will get back on this. 

as with all theories or possibilities, I just look up stuff and go from there, I still am not stuck on any person of interest any of us have thought of, this is just one more in a long list of possibilities; however, I have some UNCONFIRMED info that I feel makes it very important to consider these people and to dig up what we can.  It might be nothing at all, but then again some of these people really fit the profile for abductining a child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 11:48:13 AM
I don't know yet if this is the same dwight feeser who killed brian sheets but this one is listed at church street address as some of the others above in this thread, I will get this sorted out today

Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 11:49:37 AM
Name: Ann M Feeser
Birth Date: May 1964
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 12, 2009, 11:56:38 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Kara,do you know where Melissa bought her car and when?Could you ask please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:43:54 PM
this is rhonda feeser - she is listed with the other feesers.  this will help us figure out who this family is and who they are connected to and where they might have addresses

Roni Feeser

Former Port Orchard resident Rhonda ""Roni"" Feeser, 51, of McCleary died of antilymphocytic syndrome (Lou Gehrig's disease) April 1, 2001, at Columbia Capital Medical Center in Olympia.

She was born May 26, 1949, in Port Orchard to Kenneth and Maxine (Solid) Boyer. She graduated in 1967 from South Kitsap High School and in 1994 from South Puget Sound Community College in Olympia.
my note, isn't there a boyer SO listed that is not accounted for his whereabouts?  or do I have that mixed up.

She married Henry ""Hank"" Feeser on Dec. 6, 1975, in Bremerton.

She was a security systems technician and monitor at Naval Hospital Bremerton for 15 years. She was retired.

Mrs. Feeser enjoyed gardening and making dollhouses and miniature furniture.

Survivors include her husband; two sons, Shane of Lacey and Brandon of Elma; a daughter, Ginger of McCleary; her parents, Kenneth and Maxine Boyer of Port Orchard; a sister, Jacque Morris of Port Orchard; and one grandson.

A memorial service will be at 1 p.m. April 14 at Whiteside Family Mortuary in Elma. Memorial donations may be made to The ALS Association, 27001 Agoura Road, Suite 150, Calabasas Hills, CA 91301-5104.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
FEESER, BRANDON TODD Male,  Age: 36   
  ID:902





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Book-No Statute:   69.50.000 - VUCSA Felony
118676 Offense:   CSSO - Cont Substance/Sale/Manu/Other
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHSO-Sheriff`s Office
8/13/1999 03:48  Court:   -
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
8/13/1999 16:35 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   10.99.040 - Vio NCO-DV
123054 Offense:   VICO - Violation of Court Order
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/17/2000 19:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
9/19/2000 12:00 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   9A.76.020 - Obstruct Law Enforcement Off
123054 Offense:   OBST - Obstructing Justice
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/17/2000 19:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $250.00 
9/19/2000 12:00 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   9A.36.041 - Assault 4
123054 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
9/19/2000 12:00  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $1,050.00 
9/19/2000 17:15 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   10.99.040 - Vio NCO-DV
125037 Offense:   VICO - Violation of Court Order
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   WSPH-Washington State Patrol-Hoq
3/30/2001 07:40  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $300.00 
3/30/2001 16:11 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   9A.76.020 - Obstruct Law Enforcement Off
125037 Offense:   OBST - Obstructing Justice
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   WSPH-Washington State Patrol-Hoq
3/30/2001 07:40  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $300.00 
3/30/2001 16:10 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   9A.56.040 - Theft 2
125097 Offense:   TPOT - Theft, Property, Other
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   ELPD-Elma Police Department
4/2/2001 16:30  Court:   -
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
4/3/2001 16:00 Disposition:   PSP-Pending Submission/Prosecutor
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.401(e) - VUCSA Possess Marij 40 gr/less
154955 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/14/2007 17:00  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
4/14/2007 17:15 Disposition:   BRL-Booked and Release
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Book-No Statute:   9A.82.050(2) - Trafficking Stolen Property 1
170269 Offense:   WARA - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
2/18/2009 16:25  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
2/22/2009 14:25 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:54:16 PM
okay looks like Michael is Dwight's nephew and this shooting occured at Michaels home and brian sheets was living there too.  What were they fighting over?

In May, 2005, the defendant was living with his girlfriend, Fonda Dent, in a motor home parked next to his nephew, Michael Feeser's, house. The victim, Brian Sheets, also lived on the premises in a small trailer. (RP 16-17). In the afternoon of May 5, 2005, Michael Feeser came home from work and was met as he got out of his car by Fonda Dent who told him that the defendant and Brian Sheets were fighting in the house. Michael Feeser went into the house and found the defendant and Sheets arguing and shoving at each other in the kitchen of the house. (RP 19-20). Michael Feeser got between the two men in an effort to break up the fight and in the process, was struck once in the head by Brian Sheets. (RP 21-22). Michael Feeser thought he had gotten the two men calmed down and then left to go into his bedroom to change his clothes. While he was in the bedroom, he heard the defendant and Sheets begin to argue again. (RP 25-26). Michael Feeser changed his clothes. While he was leaving his bedroom, he heard a gunshot. He ran into the living room and saw the defendant standing with a gun in his right hand and Sheets laying on the porch just outside of the front door. (RP 27-28). Michael Feeser also saw blood splatter in the living room area of his house and heard the defendant say something indicating that now he had to clean this mess up. Michael Feeser then ran out of the house, jumped into his truck and immediately
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drove into the nearest town where he flagged down a police officer and reported the shooting. (RP 29-30). An autopsy conducted on Brian Sheets' body revealed that the victim died as a result of a single gunshot wound to the chest. (RP 251- 253). Testing by the Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory indicated that the fatal shot had been fired from a distance of 12 to 36 inches from the victim. (RP 300). The defendant was charged with Second Degree Murder by the intentional killing of Brian Sheets or in the alternative, causing the death of Brian Sheets in the course of or and in furtherance of the crime of Assault in the Second Degree. (CP 1-3). The defendant did not challenge the sufficiency of the Information or the adequacies of the to convict jury instructions for intentional Second Degree Murder and Second Felony Murder which was submitted to the jury in the form of WPIC 27.02 and WPIC 27.04. At trial, the defendant testified that he had armed himself with the .410 sawed-off shotgun to intimidate or scare the victim, Brian Sheets. (RP 3 12-3 13). The defendant also admitted that he shot the victim once in the chest with the .410 sawed-off shotgun, but claimed that the shot was fired in self-defense. (RP 306-307). The defendant was found guilty by the jury and was sentenced by the court on October 10, 2005. (CP 4-9


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:56:55 PM
On May 5,2005, the defendant was living in a motor home with his girlfriend, Fonda Dent, next to the house owned by his nephews Michael and James Feeser. Brian Sheets, the 7 victim, also lived or, the premises in a smal! travel traiier. The defendant was apparently related to the victim by mamage and had known the victim for a number of years. The two men had lived together from time-to-time in the past. Some time around 4 p.m. or shortly thereafter on May 5,2005, the victim shouted from the house out to the motor home that the defendant owed him $50. The defendant disputed the amount of the debt and left the motor home and went into the house where an argument began between the two men. The argument was still going on when Michael Feeser anived home from work at approximately 4:30 p.m. that afternoon. The argument escalated from a loud argument to a physical confrontation as Michael Feeser entered the house. Michael Feeser saw the victim and the defendant at each other's throats in the kitchen area of the house and immediately got between the two men in an attempt to break it up. In the course of breaking up the physical fight, Michael Feeser got hit once in the head around the eye by the victim. Michael Feeser was certain that the blow was not intended for him but had been aimed the defendant. Neither the defendant or the victim were armed. Michael Feeser told the two of them to "knock it off or get out of his house and off his property." The defendant then left the house and Michael Feeser continued to talk to the victim in the kitchen area. The defendant then returned with a sawed-off shotgun and declared that the victim "didn't know who he was f-ing with" and that "I could kill you." Michael Feeser again interceded to calm the situation down and then went into his room to change out of his work clothes. A short time later after he had changed his clothes, as he was coming out of his STATEMENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -2- H. STEWARD MENEFEE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY GRAYS HARBOR COUNT{ COURNOUSE 102 VEST BROADWAY ROOM 702 UONTESANO VIASHINGTON 98563
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$ bedroom, he heard a gunshot coming from the living room area of the house. Michael Feeser ran ) down the hallway into the living room where he saw the defendant standing holding a sawed-off 1 .4 10 shotgun and he saw the victim lying on the porch just outside the doorway. As Michael 7 Feeser was coming down the hallway into the living room, he saw Fonda Dent in the living room 3 and heard her say words to the effect, "Oh my God, he shot him." Michael Feeser then ran over and saw a large apparent gunshot wound the victim's chest and blood on the floor just inside the doorway and on the porch. It was clear to Michael Feeser that the victim, Brian Sheets, was dead. Michael Feeser then left, driving directly into McCleary where he flagged down a McCleary police officer and reported the shooting. Shortly after Michael Feeser left, the defendant slapped Fonda Dent and told her to calm down and threatened to kill her and her family if she told anyone about the shooting. The defendant then gave Fonda Dent the shotgun and told her to put it up in the Oldsmobile. While she was doing that, the defendant got a plastic tarp and covered the body on the porch. Shortly after this took place, Marjorie Feeser arrived unexpectedly while the defendant was attempting to hose off the porch area to wash the blood away. Fonda Dent asked Marjorie Feeser to take her into McCleary to the bank. They both left the residence and went into the town of McCleary. A few minutes after Marjorie Feeser left, Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived. When Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived, the defendant was still hosing down the porch and ramp area of the house to eliminate the blood. They asked the defendant what had taken place. The defendant told them there had been a fight and that he had busted Brian Sheets in the face, splitting open his nose and causing the large amount of blood that Hank and Ginger Feeser were observing on the porch and ramp area of the house. The defendant denied that there had been a shooting and told both Hank and Ginger Feeser that Michael Feeser and the victim had left the H. STEWARD hlENEFEE STATELVENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -3-
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premises. Hank and Ginger Feeser then left the premises and went back to their house on Church Road. Shortly after they left, the police arrived and placed the defendant into custody. The defendant initially told police officer that there had not been a shooting, that there simply had been a fight and that Brian Sheets had left walking away from the house through the backyard. As officers searched the premises, they discovered the body of Brian Sheets wrapped in plastic tarps in a wheelbarrow at the back of the house. Officers also discovered a .410 shotgun under the seat of an Oldsmobile located on the premises. Fonda Dent and Michael Feeser both identified the shotgun as being the shotgun the defendant had used to shoot the victim. An autopsy revealed that the victim had been killed by a single .410 gunshot wound to the chest, which had tom open his aorta and pulmonary artery, damaged the left lung and disintegrated one of the victim's ribs. The Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory analysis estimated distance from muzzle to wound to be more than 1 foot and less than 3 feet, most probably somewhere about 2 feet in distance. The gun was so close to the victim's chest that the wadding from the shotgun shell was found embedded in the wound area


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:01:36 PM
hmmm page 26 in the previous post states brian sheets was found in the wheelbarrow at the back of the house.  so this is not the body found in Mullin's creek

madibabe, can you try to figure out who the other body was that was found in mullin creek?  this is not the right guy ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:13:48 PM
well from the court records we find out that michael david Feeser is the nephew of Dwight Feerer
that Henry "hand" feeser and ginger live on church street and are related.
Marjorie feeser if somehow related.

briand sheets use to live at michael feeser's house in a little trailer
Fonda dent was the gf of dwight feeser and they lived there in a motorhome
someone owned an oldsmobile

this is all in may of 2005, 4 years ago, so not that long ago. 

so now let me go look at which address and feesers the same last name of the girl on myspace is living with/at.  see if they are related to this girl, and if she would have had any contact with the feesers/michael feeser. 


I find it interesting a sex offender would run and flag down the police to tell them about a murder his relative just comitted


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.

hmmm how far off is the age?

I just pulled him up again and realized his last name is FESSER not FEESER.  The article is here though.  He was 24 in '95 so that would make him 37/38.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z4EUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bgMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3591,607928&dq=denny%27s+substituting+hash+browns+for+eggs


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:12:32 PM
I bet that a rumar was started that they found the body in the creek. He was probably going to put it in the creek, or because the house is behind the creek someone could have pointed in that direction saying that is where they found Brian Sheets body and they took it as in the creek. It is intresting thow. Actualy i had Ronda mixed up with jackie. She is the mother of Tracy Feeser. From what i have been told he is a good kid, but the rest of them are into drugs and other things.
Feeser, Jacqueline Renee

6Do you know of this web site?

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:14:37 PM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)

up there in your post is
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557


that would be the 10 block of elma hicklin road so that is the address of the sex offender michael david feeser, so they are related somehow.

15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557

Owner   FEESER JAMES P & FEESER MICHAEL  File Updated   7/12/2009   10:05
Address   15 W ELMA HICKLIN RD  Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 02
   MCCLEARY , WA 98557
Date Of Sale   Excise No    Price    Instr.    Type 
9/3/2004          E169701     $0.00      QD      01
9/28/2004          E170088     $0.00      QD      01

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180502140040



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:20:58 PM
I don't know yet if this is the same dwight feeser who killed brian sheets but this one is listed at church street address as some of the others above in this thread, I will get this sorted out today

Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Washington Court of Appeals ReportsSTATE v. FEESER, 138 Wn. App. 737 (2007)No. 33961-7-II.May 22, 2007.

¶1 — Dwight C. Feeser appeals his conviction and sentence for second degree murder while armed with a deadly weapon. He argues that (1) the information was insufficient, (2) the instructions improperly relieved the State of its burden of proof because they failed to require the jury to find absence of premeditation as an element of second degree murder, (3) the felony murder statute unconstitutionally violates the separation of powers doctrine because it leaves the courts to provide a definition for the underlying felony "assault," and (4) the sentencing court should not have used an offender score of 1, based on his 1997 prior felony conviction, because the record does not include his post-1997 misdemeanors, which the State contends prevented this conviction from "washing out" under RCW 9.94A.525(2). We affirm Feeser's conviction and, based on Cadwallader,[fn1] vacate his sentence and remand for resentencing.

http://www.loislaw.com/ogpc/login.htp?WSRet=12&dockey=20489734@WAAPP&OLDURL=/gpc/index.htp&OLDREFURL=http%3A//news.google.ca/archivesearch%3Fq%3Dfeeser%2Bwashington%26hl%3Den%26ned%3Dca%26scoring%3Da


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:26:53 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:33:38 PM
okay I think we can pretty much conclued the sex offender michael david feeser is related to the feesers on church street and some of the other mccleary addresses. 

There is the last name of someone living with the feesers who shares that last name with one of the girls on myspace who we have been looking at and is connected to some of the other myspace friends of lindsey.

I need to go try to see if this girl is related to this person living with the relatives of the sex offender.  We know michael david feeser is a sex offender in this family.  we also are pretty sure the george woodard living with feeser is a child rapist but have we determined 100% that is the same george?  I was so tired last night I cant remember if we matched him up or not; did we?   if he connects to this same family we have two in the immediate family /household.  and if this person with the same last name as the girl on myspace is related to her then we have this girls relative living with these feesers and connected to two sex offenders.  could this girl be in contact with these sex offenders and could Lindsey and friends of this girl all been around where they had contact with these people?  this is my concern. 

so let me go check to see if I can figure out if this girl is connected.  I don't want to put her name out here so I can't say who the person is with the same last name or it will be saying who the girl is, and she don't need to have that put out here and have to live with that mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:34:57 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.

from what I have found - Ginger is daughrer of Hank and Roni.  She has a brother Shane who lived in Lacey , and a brother Brandon who lived in Elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.

from what I have found - Ginger is daughrer of Hank and Roni.  She has a brother Shane who lived in Lacey , and a brother Brandon who lived in Elma.

ok so if she was 24 in 2004 at the time of the wreck then she is 24-25 at the time of the murder when she went over to michael feesers when dwight feeser shot brian sheets.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
let me add a bit more info (NOT CONFIRMED, but no reason for me to think someone is lying)

I am told by a local that some weird things were going on around Mullin's Creek and it was connected to one of the Feesers.  I really can't say more than this because I feel it could be potentially dangerous for the person telling me.  They also did not see this themself but a family member did.  So I have to get more info about that.  But what I have been told makes me want to dig into this really quickly because I believe if it has anything at all to do with anything, we don't want to fool around and have the end of July come on us. 

I also would like someone to put all of this info in some report fashion and see it to the feds.  I just don't like contacting police/LE.  (personal reasons, and no I am not wanted by the law ::MonkeyDevil::)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
Best bear stew anywhere
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:45 AM PDT

The spicy aroma of sizzling bear stew swept through the shady patches of Beerbower Park in McCleary much of Saturday as thousands turned out for the 50th Annual Bear Festival.

The smiling, sunburned and famished lined up at narrow makeshift wooden tables, standing as they scooped spoonfuls of stew and beans.

They munched watermelon with juice running down their cheeks. They chewed buttered rolls, dipping them to soak up leftover stew. The sun shined overhead.

“We’re really pleased with the turnout,” said Susan Strong, a festival committee member, as she sold festival buttons in the shade.

Strong estimated more than 2,500 buttons had been sold. The $2 buttons paid for a plate of stew and side dishes. The line for food formed quickly and stretched far across the parking lot.

Saturday’s festivities started with the kiddie parade, quickly followed by the grand parade. Strong said almost 50 groups march through the streets with clowns, bands and classic cars.

“It was a great parade,” she said.

The lively music and bright sunshine swept away much of the cloud that has hung over the small town recently. Many enjoyed the festivities, but could not forget 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared from just a few blocks away two weeks ago.
 

Several volunteers passed out fliers to people coming through town and asked for donations for Baum’s family.


Strong looked around at hundreds slurping sno-cones and nibbling elephant ears, The festival had gone smoothly, though fewer children attended the kid’s day events on Friday.

With the end of the 50th festival, she said the planning committee will start looking forward to next year. They can always use more volunteers.

http://**/articles/2009/07/12/local_news/doc4a5984c38ecb9094362769.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:53:42 PM
ps. I would like to see this info go to the feds not only the local pd, and maybe not even to the local pd.  we have a lot of people included in this research and we really don't know who is who concerning their status in the community. Also, they might not understand any of this and not dig into it; on the other hand I believe the feds would understand it, at least some of them will.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
Kara are you reading this?  Maybe you can pass the info on? or someone?  let me go see if that girl connects to these people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 04:03:38 PM
DD,
I know you are working very hard and it is much appreciated by all, but don't get yourself in trouble.  These do not sound like nice people and who knows, there maybe drugs or something else going on....
Sorry, just concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.

hi sister, thanks yes I did remember ginger had gone to the house where the murder was.  we have a real mess with these people. I must say I am a bit worried about what all is going on out there on mullin's creek.  ugh I am trying to dig as quickly as I can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:08:21 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html

I wonder who these investigators are, and from where?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
DD,
I know you are working very hard and it is much appreciated by all, but don't get yourself in trouble.  These do not sound like nice people and who knows, there maybe drugs or something else going on....
Sorry, just concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::

don't worry about "ME" I am use to this stuff.  ugh.  won't be the first time I got in a mess over a case, won't be the last.  Lindsey is out there and might be alive and someone has to dig before time runs out. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Is that po box number to the local LE? and is the phone number to them as well?  Do we have info for the area's FBI?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 04:19:52 PM
dd, I'm not sure, but I believe the Mods have ways to contact authorities and provide info.  I could be mistaken.  But I know this site has a great reputation with many LE agencies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:35:19 PM
dd, I'm not sure, but I believe the Mods have ways to contact authorities and provide info.  I could be mistaken.  But I know this site has a great reputation with many LE agencies.

well, I'll let someone else figure out what to do with the info, I will just dig and put it out here.  Like I said before in the cantu threads.  "Do what you will" with the info.  I find it and stick it out here to be used.  After that I don't care who uses it or what they do with it.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
posted by madibabe on the map thread
OK I didnt go to the Creek, But I did ask local teens if they ever hang out back there. They told me that  some kids have and probley still do. I asked if you could see any homes from the creek and they said yes on the other side of the creek threw a wooded area.
_____________

thanks Madibabe
hmmm wonder who lives over there and where the houses are.  I will try to locate them on a map.
if they can look through the wooded area and see the houses, you would think the people at the houses could look through and see the kids.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
I keep going back to lindsey saying she felt something bad was going to happen, and that she is afraid of the witching hours.  people just say oh she reads those books and that is where she comes up with this stuff.  but maybe it isn't.  Is someone telling her something, did she see something ? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 12, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
northern Rose, Angel, Bee, klass, Blink or anyone used to puttin Le reports together.......would one of you like to volunteer to put some things in a report format? We can get the information to you. dd has her email already listed. Mine is available through klaas

This is extremely important (!!!) and time sensitive (now!!!). I would do it but my computer keys are still giving me problems.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
northern Rose, Angel, Bee, klass, Blink or anyone used to puttin Le reports together.......would one of you like to volunteer to put some things in a report format? We can get the information to you. dd has her email already listed. Mine is available through klaas

This is extremely important (!!!) and time sensitive (now!!!). I would do it but my computer keys are still giving me problems.   

I am over here digging more and as quickly as I can.  I know I seem a bit "out there" and not explaining well, sorry, once I get this together where it makes sense I will post more.  right now I am trying like heck to get more dug up to support what I have here.  I want docs to back this stuff up.  Right now what would help is if anyone would like to, to help me find any connections with the mccleary kids on myspace with anyone related to or in the feesers households.  if you do find someone please don't post the kid's names that are connected out here on the board.


what I am looking at might be absolutely nothing at all, but because it MIGHT be something, I have to put my time into this right now.  but I will still try to post and look up other things if someone needs me to help on something else. Right now I really need all the info I can get on any feesers or people related to them or living at their addresses etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:26:26 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

oh I am trying to think of which one that was LOL 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

oh I am trying to think of which one that was LOL 

I didn't save the link, but am going to look for her..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
sarah feeser woodard
http://www.myspace.com/beautiful_beerdrinker


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:11:56 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:13:44 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
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Friends and family held one another and cried in the moments after finding Amy Mullins' body.

Police search for missing Rochester woman.
ROCHESTER, Wash. - Thurston County Sheriff's deputies say they've found the body of Amy Mullins, who mysteriously vanished Saturday morning from her home. Deputies say friends and family members found the body a few miles from her home. Deputies say it was on property where her estranged husband resides.

Her husband, Steve Mullins, has now turned himself in to the Grays Harbor County Jail.

Family and friends cried and held one another when the Mullins' body was discovered Monday afternoon.

"She suffered significant trauma," said Thurston County Sheriff's Lieutenant Chris Mealy As far as the exact cause of death or how the trauma was suffered we don't know yet."

Amy Mullins was last seen alive at 9:30 a.m. Saturday. Her 15-year-old daughter says the morning began just like any other. She got up, chatted with her daughter and headed out to the laundromat.  But she never made it, and her jeep was found in the driveway.

"The dog was in the passenger seat, the keys for the jeep in the ignition, there was coffee in the cup holder and she had her purse in the car," said Kailyce Mullins, Amy Mullins' daughter.

Investigators believe a crime against the 38-year-old woman was committed based on the circumstances. 


 
KING

Family and friends hug one another after finding the body of Amy Mullins on property where her estranged huband lives in Rochester, Wash. on Monday, July 23, 2007.

Mullins recently separated from her husband and moved out with her daughter.

Less than a hour before her daughter's body was found, Amy's mother, Cheryl Detmar, didn't want to think her son in law could be responsible despite hearing stories that he had implicated himself.

"He had indicated to his sister that he may have had some involvement," said Detmar. "He just said he did something stupid. Maybe that's not involvement because we all do things 'stupid'."

As the day wore on, searchers converged on the home Mullins and her husband had shared.  That's where the body was found.

Prior to that discovery friends of the couple refused to think that the worst could have happened.

"I just can't imagine Steve doing anything like this," said family friend Shelley Terry. "Such a nice man. Such a gentleman, you know."


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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:16:28 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed

well I hate to lose the info that was on those pages ( I should have copied it, did not have time) but I am also very glad to see those pages private and some of those photos off of there.  We have at the least someone out there who took lindsey somewhere and these families need to know their kids could be next, I can't believe some of those myspaces are still up there and no one concerned some whackjob is still out there.  Are these people not taking lindsey's disappearance seriously?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:16:58 PM
Found this   http://www.komonews.com/news/8751512.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/8751512.html)

Has a pic of the hubby, who was the perp.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:19:18 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary


SO am I.  They are only 10, it is amazing to me what all they are in to. The girl who took all the pics in the bathroom, had almost the same phrase on her page as Lindsey, that she was afraid something bad was going to happen....wonder what had all the girls spooked??

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed

well I hate to lose the info that was on those pages ( I should have copied it, did not have time) but I am also very glad to see those pages private and some of those photos off of there.  We have at the least someone out there who took lindsey somewhere and these families need to know their kids could be next, I can't believe some of those myspaces are still up there and no one concerned some whackjob is still out there.  Are these people not taking lindsey's disappearance seriously?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:20:42 PM
thanks for finding that atlanta mom, well guess that looks like a family mess.  they didn't think he was like that though, wonder what got into him made him do that.  well on to other things I guess, I just wanted to make sure she wasn't kidnapped or just disappeared or whatever, whoever she was.  but if we run into anything later we have that info now.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:23:13 PM
just making an observasion, but so many of these people are ending up killed in JULY.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:33:21 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:35:16 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.

his name is showing MULLIN in the assessor records, but that who parcel thing is off on there and the address they give on there of 220 s 6th does not have him listed at that address, so not sure what is going on with that whole assessor thing. his wife is listed as Janice


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
I am looking for a "compound" around mccleary.  if anyone can find mention of one anywhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:47:39 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html

I wonder who these investigators are, and from where?

That's the Gray's Harbor Tip Line.


Here are WA FBI
City   Phone Number
Bellingham   (360) 734-2980
Everett   (425) 252-3500
Olympia   (360) 352-3234
Richland   (509) 946-9311
Silverdale   (360) 613-2555
Spokane   (509) 747-5195
Tacoma   (253) 272-8439
Vancouver   (360) 695-5661
Wenatchee   (509) 667-1380
Yakima   (509) 453-4859

I would call the closest office and just ask to speak with a field agent about Lindsey Baum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:49:38 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.

his name is showing MULLIN in the assessor records, but that who parcel thing is off on there and the address they give on there of 220 s 6th does not have him listed at that address, so not sure what is going on with that whole assessor thing. his wife is listed as Janice

Could be old, not updated, etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
sorry if we already found this and someone posted it, but if they did I missed it. I don't remember seeing all this other stuff. 

FEESER, MICHAEL DAVID Male,  Age: 35   
  ID:92





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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.083 - Child Molestation 1
116606 Offense:   PROB - Probation/Parole Violation
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   -
1/13/1999 10:30  Court:   SC1G-GHC Superior Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
7/17/1999 09:00 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.083 - Child Molestation 1
121863 Offense:   PROB - Probation/Parole Violation
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/26/2000 18:30  Court:   SC1M-GHC Superior Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $10,000.00 
12/18/2000 07:15 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   46.61.502 - Driving Under the Influence
146212 Offense:   DUI - DUI Alcohol or Drugs
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/12/2006 08:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
4/13/2006 08:30 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
146212 Offense:   FTC - Failure to Comply
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/13/2006 00:15  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $600.00 
4/13/2006 08:45 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342.2 - Driving While License Susp 2
147643 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
6/29/2006 22:30  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $600.00 
6/29/2006 23:50 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
152367 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
1/6/2007 23:00  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $1,100.00 
1/8/2007 15:00 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342.2 - Driving While License Susp 2
153098 Offense:   TOFF - Traffic Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
2/2/2007 18:30  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
2/4/2007 10:30 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.4014 - Poss Marijuana <40 Grams
164113 Offense:   WARR - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
5/2/2008 19:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $350.00 
5/2/2008 22:00 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.412 - Drug Paraphernalia
164113 Offense:   WARR - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
5/2/2008 19:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $350.00 
5/2/2008 22:00 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.412 - Drug Paraphernalia
164545 Offense:   CSPP - Cont Subst/Posess Paraphenalia
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/25/2008 08:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
5/25/2008 08:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.408 - VUCSA Poss Marij 40gr or less
164545 Offense:   CSPO - Controlled Substance/Posession
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/25/2008 08:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
5/26/2008 08:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:08:29 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?

He is registered with an address, so he was out 5/26/08
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER      Mappable     10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557    WA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:26:11 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?

He is registered with an address, so he was out 5/26/08
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER      Mappable     10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557    WA

he was convicted in 1992, he has all these other charges after that though, some failing to register, so my question is, did he go back to jail after all this?  and is he still at that address? regitstered?  he had lots of warrants some for failing to register, I guess after he got out of jail all those times listed above.  I guess I better go look at the date on the sex offender list that he last registered.   my poor brain. ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:33:45 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
      Seq# 1


It's ridiculous and pathetic the way they let these monsters violate again and and again. Why not risk violating if all you are going to get is a week or two in jail and then streeted again?

They street them because there isn't funds in place to house them all. The system sucks and unfortunately innocent women and children have to pay for it. Either scared for life or with their life.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 12, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.




I am wondering if ginger might be nee ginger feeser but I have not had time to look. again, so much to look up and no time to get it all done. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:34:30 PM
let me add a bit more info (NOT CONFIRMED, but no reason for me to think someone is lying)

I am told by a local that some weird things were going on around Mullin's Creek and it was connected to one of the Feesers.  I really can't say more than this because I feel it could be potentially dangerous for the person telling me.  They also did not see this themself but a family member did.  So I have to get more info about that.  But what I have been told makes me want to dig into this really quickly because I believe if it has anything at all to do with anything, we don't want to fool around and have the end of July come on us. 

I also would like someone to put all of this info in some report fashion and see it to the feds.  I just don't like contacting police/LE.  (personal reasons, and no I am not wanted by the law ::MonkeyDevil::)
I am local and I would do it. I have no problem going to them. My only concern was going to the local LE without the feds because I believe in my heart they do not do there jopb to the fullest. They are here to serve and protect and IMO they do not go above and beond in any means. I think with the fbi they will get something done.
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



if it is the same Jackie with son Tracy she is not 24 she is more like 38 - 42. She is related to all the other Feesers by marrage. Her husband died around 1990 sometime .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
      Seq# 1


It's ridiculous and pathetic the way they let these monsters violate again and and again. Why not risk violating if all you are going to get is a week or two in jail and then streeted again?

They street them because there isn't funds in place to house them all. The system sucks and unfortunately innocent women and children have to pay for it. Either scared for life or with their life.


This is the reason I  fight. ! To protect the ones that LE do not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:53:23 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.

hi sister, thanks yes I did remember ginger had gone to the house where the murder was.  we have a real mess with these people. I must say I am a bit worried about what all is going on out there on mullin's creek.  ugh I am trying to dig as quickly as I can.
What can I do to help you get this done? I will do whatever you need just say the word. I have no problem meeting with the FBI. I have before when my daughter was assaulted on a delta airline flight a few years ago. I find them to really be there for what they are hi9red to do. From what I have experienced.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 11:00:59 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.

Wow, now that's interresting.  I sure hope LE has checked everyone at this place out!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2009, 12:01:35 AM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.

Wow, now that's interresting.  I sure hope LE has checked everyone at this place out!

I think DD has some info that needs to go to the FBI perhaps?  I told her I thought the mods have some ways to do that.  Is that true?  Anyway, thank you and all the other mods for the great work you do on this sight.  I haven't been here long, most working on the Cantu threads, but I sure do appreciate all you folks do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

That would be HoneyBuns.  Considering the bands that some of them listen to, I'd be pretty scared too.  Satanic Electro Metal?  Ya, that's cool :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
was fishing on myspace found a  gf of luke feeser  dont know if related but something caught my eye. This friend   
http://www.myspace.com/ileftmyguninsanfrancisco I firsty saw the pic and thought thats a bit dark. I clicked it and saw the quote you will see to the left. Kinda made me feel uneasy. I read the first blog but didnt really have the earge to ready anymore. Thought I would let u guys maybe pick him apart. Has something to do with the feesers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:56:25 AM
was fishing on myspace found a  gf of luke feeser  dont know if related but something caught my eye. This friend   
http://www.myspace.com/ileftmyguninsanfrancisco I firsty saw the pic and thought thats a bit dark. I clicked it and saw the quote you will see to the left. Kinda made me feel uneasy. I read the first blog but didnt really have the earge to ready anymore. Thought I would let u guys maybe pick him apart. Has something to do with the feesers.

Wow that is person crying out for attention, very dark person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 02:14:40 AM
very quiet tonight ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2009, 02:29:26 AM
Well, it's almost 2:30 a.m here, so I wish you a good night.
 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: demonKatt on July 13, 2009, 03:45:35 AM
I read the blogs:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=34557261

All the way to 06.  Seems to be this guy should have FBI attention brought at least to his page, and should be reported to someone.  That is some sick stuff...Don't know if he is connected to THIS case, but he is a time bomb waiting to go off. Particular the blog for Friday, August 04, 2006  ..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
Anyone know Melissa Baum's maiden name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
Anyone know the location to the store in Elma that Lindsey sometimes worked at?Is it near the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Hi ~ Can someone explain to me how I might access the PM Message Option through my profile page?  I have looked over the "HELP" section and am still a little confused on how to send a PM to another SM member?

Thanks so much ~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
Hi ~ Can someone explain to me how I might access the PM Message Option through my profile page?  I have looked over the "HELP" section and am still a little confused on how to send a PM to another SM member?

Thanks so much ~
Hi Haddie...welcome to SM's
The PM feature is no longer available on SM's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
Thank's KarmaRoundUp ~ then I'll just throw it out there.  It's Pierpoint ~ At least that's what she's using in her hyphenated name.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
There are certain things in this case which stick with me, such as this area supposedly has an active occult. I don't know if they are into sacrifice or not, sounds far fetched I know, but not everyone is sane and believes in being nice..

I found this, DD does this concern you? This scares the hell out of me, I will admit.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1796.cfm

OCCULT HOLIDAYS AND SABBATS


As we have repeatedly stated, the Satanist believes that numbers contain inherent power. Thus, they literally order their lives by occult numerology -- such numerology also is a key component in astrology, another system of divining that Satanists observe very closely. The occult calendar is divided into four (4) segments of 13 weeks each. The number, "13" is considered divine by the occultist for a couple of reasons:

1. The Bible assigns '13' the meaning of "rebellion against constituted authority", plus the depravity that caused Satan to rebel against God.

2. The occultist assigns '6' to represent the number of man, and the number '7' to represent the number of divine perfection. Thus, as a person climbs that "Jacob's Ladder" toward self-perfection in the realm of the occult, the number '13' represents the state of divine perfection, self-achieved perfection, and Illumination (6+7 = 13).

Thus, the occult calendar is comprised of four periods of 13 weeks each. We list these periods for you, below. Then, after listing them, we shall come back to talk about each of them in detail.

1. Winter Solstice -- 13 weeks -- Minor sabbath

a. December 21 -- Yule

b. December 21-22 -- Winter Solstice/Yule. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

c. February 1 and 2 -- Candlemas and Imbolg, a.k.a. Groundhog's Day. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

d. February 14 -- Valentine's Day

2. Spring Equinox -- 13 weeks -- Minor sabbath but does require human sacrifice

a. March 21-22 -- Goddess Ostara -- Note: Easter is the first Sunday after the first new moon after Ostara. March 21 is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

b. April 1 -- All Fool's Day, precisely 13 weeks since New Year's Day!

c. April 19 - May 1 -- Blood Sacrifice To The Beast. Fire sacrifice is required on April 19.

d. April 30 - May 1 -- Beltaine Festival, also called Walpurgis Night. This is the highest day on the Druidic Witch's Calendar. May 1 is the Illuminati's second most sacred holiday. Human sacrifice is required

3. Summer Solstice -- 13 weeks -- When the sun reaches its northernmost point in its journey across the sky

a. June 21 - 22 -- Summer Solstice

b. June 21 - Litha is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

c. July 4, America's Independence Day, is 13 days after Day of Litha and 66 days from April 30

d. July 19 -- 13 days before Lughnasa

e. July 31 - August 1 -- Lughnasa, Great Sabbat Festival. August -- One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

4. Autumnal Equinox -- 13 weeks -- Minor Sabbath but does require human sacrifice

a. September 21 - Mabon -- one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

b. September 21 -22 -- Autumnal Equinox

c. October 31 -- Samhain, also known as Halloween, or All Hallows Eve. This date is the Illuminati's highest day of human sacrifice

Isn't it interesting how the "profane" -- you and me -- are led like a flock of sheep to observe the important festival days of the Mysteries' Religion? You may not understand that you are ordering your year after pagan holidays, but you are! The annual calendar for the entire Western world is ordered by these Satanic festival times and days.

Now that we have seen the entire occult calendar, let us go back to the significant holidays to see how the Western world has slipped into a worship of the same pagan holidays and are using many of the same pagan symbols that are so important to the pagan worshipper. The human sacrifice required during many of these occult dates needs to contain the following elements, each one of which is exaggerated to the highest possible degree:

1. Trauma, stress, and mental anguish, sheer terror

2. The final act in the drama should be destruction by a fire; preferably a conflagration.

3. People must die as human sacrifices, especially children, since Lord Satan looks upon a younger human sacrifice as his most desirable



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I am scared now! yikes! I am going to hide under my bed!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Thank's KarmaRoundUp ~ then I'll just throw it out there.  It's Pierpoint ~ At least that's what she's using in her hyphenated name.   
Thanks Haddie!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
I want to make it clear I'm talking about the porn addicts above only.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 03:55:16 PM
okay, against my better judgement I will respond to tracygirl's post about the Satanic Calendar and Holidays and the human sacrifices etc.

First let me say I am not the type of person who goes on a "witch hunt" and assumes everyone who is not into Christianity is some Satanist who sacrifices people, nor do I believe all people who call themself a Satanist is a killer etc, and many do not even believe in Satan at all.  I am not out to insinuate that all Pagans are of the people who are out causing harm to people, in fact many of them are so earth oriented and care about humankind, you will find them doing more good than harm.  It is like anything else or any other group, for the most part people are trying to be better persons by practicing their beliefs and the "core" of most of these beliefs is to love one another and take care of the planet etc.  Whoever their creator or their "God" might be is not what makes some of these belief systems bad.  What makes some bad is some whackjob decides to "mix" "religious beliefs" of "some kind" and starts twisting this stuff up and if they are unstable or on drugs or both to begin with, and if they get around someone other whackjob who likes to torture or kill people, THEN we see the problems.  And those whackjobs can be a part of the occult or they can be a part of your local Christian church just as easily.  And then you have many who mix the two together and come up with some really whacked out beliefs to which they devote everything they do.  They will do things accordingly as they believe.  If it a astrology they use that to plan out what they are doing, if it is numberology they will us that to plan out what they do, if it is the Bible they will use biblical scripture to plan out what they do; for the most part you will see the quasi-religious whackjobs with a combination of all the above along with some other secret society "understandig" to go along with it.  There is no set mold for how these people operate. 

so with all of that said, do I believe there are "some" people out there who are using a combination of these beliefs to plan murders for the purplose of "creating" "something" or for "bringing about a change" or "attaining so sort of spiritual position" etc.  Yes I do believe it.

Now I did not always believe this and for the longest time if someone were to try to explain this to me, I would laugh and think wow this person is a total loon.  I thought it so unbelieveable I would not even take the time to research anything they said, I just wrote them off as nuts and said yah yah yah okay, whatever, or I would get annoyed and tell them shut up you're an idiot etc.  Do I thik that way NOW, No I full well believe 100% this stuff is going on all over and that a lot of the missing persons cases/unsolved murders, and even some of the "solved" murders(mistakenly misinterpreted) are a result of exactly someone's mixed up quasi-religious /occultic belief they are carrying out in order to attain whatever it is they believe needs to be done.  Add this to a group of outcasts, toss in some drugs, behavior modification and the need for others to "follow" and "be accepted", and you have a very volatile situation waiting to happen, and to happen according to plan based upon whatever the teaching of each specific group happens to be.  Like I said, there is not always the same combintion of beliefs, but there is a certain likeness to most of them that they are easy to recogize; however, trying tot decipher their "codes" and "systems" cannot be done by reading one persons set in stone explanation and then looking for that specific thing.  These groups will alter many of the original beliefs/workings in order to keep the police/general public etc from being able to predict what they arre doing or to unravel what has been done.  But once a specific group has a certain belief system put into place, then will stick to it, because the BELIEVE it.  And one of the things that allows these people to get away with this stuff is for the most part the general publci scoffs at the idea this can be going on, therefore no one ever looks to see if it is factor in the motive for a killing of for someone missing.  I believe the feds believe this is going on but they are far from understanding it.  They may recogize certain earmarks of it in a case, but they do not know how to fully interpret it in order to know how to stay ahead of it nor to follow the clues to solve the crime in the manner it should be solved.  They might catch "a" perpetrato, but they don't unravel the full motive for the killing nor do they find all of those involved and responsible, if in fact they find the "right" person at all.  A lot of these crimes are set up to point to someone other than the real perrp and therefore not only is someone killed, someone else ends up convicted and senteced to death for something they did not do.  The group walks away and they have the satisfaction of killing two birds with on stone, the victi and the wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death "perp", truly the "perfect" crime. 

So yes, I believe this is happening all the time.  Is it every case which can't be explained, no I do not believe so, however, I do believe a LOT of these cases can be attributed to a group of killers who are practicing some kind of crazy belief system of which is including kidnapping, torturing and sacrificing the victims and doing it according to certain dates, times, locations, connections to names, words, and following a combination of astrology, numerolgy along with pagan and biblical teachings. 

Once you get past the laughing about it and bah humbugging it and trying to sit down and study cases which have the earmarks of this "occultic" (for a better term) practice, then you can start to recognize the patterns and use the understanding of these things to help reserach, investigate and solve these types of cases. 

 Are all pagans, occultists, witches, satanists etc out killing people? absolutely not.  Are all christians out killing people, absolutely not; but there are whackjobs in both groups who form or join offshoot groups who twist and use the basic beliefs of either/both Christianity and the Occult and who have some members who use these altered belief systems to plan kidnappings, murders and sexual diviance etc as a part of their quest to attain certain knowledge and understanding or to attain some sort of spriritual perfection of some kind. Then you also have your just plain out and out derangedand/or drugged self-gratifying "crazy" who slips into the group or works solitare BELIEVING throughout it all that they have every right or responsibility to do so. 

so yes, in every case I research or look at I look for these patterns and most of the time I do not see them, but there are times I do.  And I don't believe they are have the same patterns but I dobelieve they have the same "basics" and when I start recognizing the basics surfacing in a case, then I start trying to identify exactly what type of belief system they are working with.  Then if I can identify it I can usually figure out what has happened or predict what is going to happen or where to look

so that is my personal belief about this subject 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
Updated article:

http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=

Another update:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:14:39 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:21:20 PM
Karma wrote:

Quote
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like   
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
Sherip wrote:

Quote
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?

I got their address in Elma and searched all thru their webpage looking for some kinda link but so far no luck.Here is their web addy:

http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Mike Tallman is the pastor for the Set Free place and I found a connection with Mike and McCleary.

Olympic Christian Center
117 S 8th Street, Mccleary, WA zip code
Phone |  View Website  |  More Information
Services:  Education
Products:  Elementary

Business Categories: Churches, Preschools & Kindergartens, Private Schools
Map| Driving Directions| What's Nearby? |  Send to Mobile Phone

http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?KW=Bible+study+schools&LO=City+of+aberdeen%2C+WA&R=&PB=&PI=&SD=


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:41:28 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Karma wrote:

Quote
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like   
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
Sherip wrote:

Quote
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?

I got their address in Elma and searched all thru their webpage looking for some kinda link but so far no luck.Here is their web addy:

http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/






Well I see this is a Bapstist based outreach.  And here are people connected to the structure of it
Pastor Michael Tallman has been part of Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma since 2001. He served under Pastor Kenny Rice the Founder of our Ministry, for many years as well as Pastor Jerry Wilson from The Cross in Burien, and Pastor Dave Wade from Fountain Of The Valley in Auburn. Pastor Michael has previously partnered with Dr. Marty Schafer, Pastor Dave Yarbrough and currently Pastor Randy Brown from First Baptist Montesano.
 
Set Free Ministry is partnered with First Baptist Church in Montesano, Pastored by Randy Brown. The family of First Baptist Church Montesano has truly embraced the family of Set Free. Randy Pastored Vieux Carre Baptist Church in New Orleans French Quarter for five years, then two years in the mission fields of South Asia, before coming to Montesano.
 
We are Experiencing Foundational Growth as Pastor Michael Tallman and his staff; Assistant Director Derek Hulcher


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)

well the map was WAY back there in this thread, here it is


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)

well the map was WAY back there in this thread, here it is
Thank you DD!Somehow I missed this.I doubt Lindsey would have walked all that way to that creek by herself at that time of night.....unless she was meeting someone there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
I can't imagine Lindsey being there on her own w/o her Mama but I suppose she has friends there(for some reason she went to school in Elma when they moved to McCleary 2 years ago)so maybe she stayed overnight there and went to the social thing?I dunno.......    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 05:23:41 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 13, 2009, 05:38:38 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?

no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:45:47 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:51:03 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.

Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 13, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 

I know exactly what it is and where it is exactly and people who are connected to the place, but I can't post it on here because I really feel I shouldn't.  I hate having to be evasive as that is NOT MY STYLE AT ALL.  I normally will share EVERYTHING at all, but if I say there is someone who will know who I am talking to and they should not know that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
I have to take my dog to the vet, I will help look up stuff when I get back. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 06:45:39 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 13, 2009, 06:49:29 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 

I know exactly what it is and where it is exactly and people who are connected to the place, but I can't post it on here because I really feel I shouldn't.  I hate having to be evasive as that is NOT MY STYLE AT ALL.  I normally will share EVERYTHING at all, but if I say there is someone who will know who I am talking to and they should not know that. 

no problem at all! i totally understand :)  i feel like you are closer to solving this case than LE is based on their statements to the media about not having any leads or anything...ugh its so frustrating!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 06:57:23 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

Elmas dollar store at martin st......says this place is closed.

Elma video is actually on 319 main st. in McCleary.

I can't find an address for Tazmanian Dollar Store in Elma.

I can't find a It Vision in Elma.

Did find a addy for Elma Liquor Agency #561 215 N. 4th St. Elma

But can't map it cause my maps are screwing up lol
Thank you DD.
I'll try and fogure out the map thing tomorrow.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 07:00:12 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.

Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.


I think that the Elma Variety Store and the Five Cents to Five Bucks Store might be the same.


Five Cents to Five Bucks store

owner - Kathy Stockam

“She was such a talkative kid,” Stockam said, noting Baum and a group of her friends had stayed at her store until closing time the night before Baum disappeared.

“She would come here a lot, sometimes two times a day. She came in here to remind me her birthday was coming up because we give kids a free helium balloon on their birthday. ... That’s the last I saw her. It’s heartbreaking
http://**/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.txt

This is very close to the Set Free Fellowship and Lindsey was always going there.  It's not Melissa's Store but is looks like the place that Linsey hung out.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way
I see it on your maps but on the Google map(when I can get it to work right)I zoomed in and I see no water back behind the mill.It may be called Mill's creek?I do see a small round depression back there so that could be it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 07:43:24 PM
Cannot get my mind off of WW for many reasons.  Does anyone happen to know his comings and goings since June 26th to the present?

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:53:01 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.



Hmmmm,Nancy is still missing I think,she's 36 years old and worked as a financial anaylst at the Ecology department.
I'll have to look at all of this tomorrow.
This little girl,they found her body.

Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 08:00:22 PM
Karma wrote:
Quote
Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.

Sherip wrote:
Quote
I think that the Elma Variety Store and the Five Cents to Five Bucks Store might be the same.


Five Cents to Five Bucks store

owner - Kathy Stockam

“She was such a talkative kid,” Stockam said, noting Baum and a group of her friends had stayed at her store until closing time the night before Baum disappeared.

“She would come here a lot, sometimes two times a day. She came in here to remind me her birthday was coming up because we give kids a free helium balloon on their birthday. ... That’s the last I saw her. It’s heartbreaking
http://**/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.txt

This is very close to the Set Free Fellowship and Lindsey was always going there.  It's not Melissa's Store but is looks like the place that Linsey hung out.

Right but the store that Melissa McCann runs/owns is in Elma not McCleary.
I think like DD found that she has a couple of different businesses working at the same addy/same building/same phone number.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 08:02:48 PM
Cannot get my mind off of WW for many reasons.  Does anyone happen to know his comings and goings since June 26th to the present?

KimC
Welcome to SM's Kim and welcome all of our new Monkeys
I haven't checked into that Kim but we have a Wayne Watne thread here at SM's....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 08:13:49 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




great summery... Can you please point me into the direction of Nancy's story? BBL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 13, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Tracygirl       http://www.nancymoyer.com/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 09:15:33 PM
Tracygirl       http://www.nancymoyer.com/index.html

wow poor woman. Doesn't seem like she would just up and leave. She is tiny,4'11, the same size as a child


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 13, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
May have already been posted:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html

Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 13, 2009, 09:24:13 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 

My question is are there surveillance cameras?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 09:25:58 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Nancy Moyer Tenino March 2009

Kylie Ellis (They found her body) I believe she may have committed suicide.  She was from Yelm Washington.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 13, 2009, 09:26:26 PM
May have already been posted:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html

Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



The statement I bolded really bothers me.  How much have they searched in the beginning, and how much are they having to revisit now?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




great summery... Can you please point me into the direction of Nancy's story? BBL
  www.NancyMoyer.com


www.boards.insessionstrials.com
Look under Amber Alerts & Missing People there is a lot of information posted by her friends and coworkers.  Some of the comments indicate that they thought it may be someone that Nancy worked with.

WW works for Fish & Wildlife - Nancy worked for Department of Ecology

Do a search for Nancy Moyer Tenino, Washington...you will come up with quite a few stories. She just disappeared. She is a very small person about 90lbs I think. About the size of a 12 year old.

Nancy vanished on 3-6-09  (Weird Dated)

Another common item is that they both were taken in a small town located right off of a State Hwy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 09:44:23 PM
Okay, here's a link to all or most of WW's residences.  It's long, just copy and paste in your browser.  I cannot seem to past the map here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6)

Now, take a look from where all these little girls are missing.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6)

And here I copy their stats and the dates that WW lived where according to another member's posts.

Wayne Watne – Tacoma, Washington Dec 1997 to Dec 1997
Wayne Watne –Port  Angeles, Washington 1997
Wayne Watne – Port Angeles, Washington Feb 1999 to Feb 1999
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington May 2004 to January 2006
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington Feb 2005 to Feb 2009
Wayne Watne – McCleary, Washington June 2008 to Nov 2008
Wayne Watne – Montesano, Washington Nov 2008 to 2009
Wayne Watne lists his residence in Olympia on his FB page.
Wayne Watne – Possible email = Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov while living in Montesano
Wayne may have relatives in and around Tacoma and Portland.  His brother lives in Corvallis.
One of his daughters R. Watne lives in Port Angeles. This girl showed up on the former wife's MS page. http://www.myspace.com/409084224


 July 4, 2007 – Zinna Linnick – Tacoma Washington
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington 2007 1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  Same route.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LUSIANA CARMEN ARGUETA
NCMC1119732
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Dec 1, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Nov 13, 2008    Race: Biracial
Location: SPANAWAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in either Montesano or McCleary.  Drive time from Montesano to McCleary is 33 minutes and from McCleary to Spanaway is 1 hour 2 minutes.  This is on the same route from North Washington state to just a little south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LINDSEY J BAUM
NCMC1125977
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 7, 1998    Age: 11
Missing: Jun 26, 2009    Race: White
Location: MCCLEARY, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELEXIS ELLENA BOYER
NCMC1125118
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 8, 1992    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 9, 2009    Race: White
Location: BELLEVUE, WA, US
Wayne is in McCleary most likely, and the drive time from McCleary to Bellevue is 1 hour 26 minutes.  But this girl may be a little old for him.  She was around 17 when she disappeared and she is considered a runaway.  But, we keep seeing the same route from North Washington toward Tacoma, where supposedly , WW has a mom or family member living. 


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  DANICA DIANNE CHILDS
NCMC1086909
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: May 25, 1990    Age: 19
Missing: Dec 21, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Federal Way is 1 hour 28 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Same route from North Washington to just south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  CANDELARIA CONTRERAS
NCMC1073412
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Mar 21, 1991    Age: 18
Missing: Jun 15, 2007    Race: Hispanic
Location: MANSON, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Manson is 3 hours 50 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  However, this is one of the girls on the route to Tonasket.  Here’s the google map link.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=manson,+washington&oe=utf-8&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=06dUSo73FpSusgOuicWODw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  JEWELYN FINNERAN
NCMC1116766
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 19, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Apr 11, 2008    Race: Asian
Location: PARKLAND, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Parkland is 1 hours 48 minutes.  Buy this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Jeesus!  This is making me sick to my stomach.  Same, exact route, just south of Tacoma and Federal Way. 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BRITTANY CAITLIN GRISSOM
NCMC1123615
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Sep 11, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: May 24, 2009    Race: White
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.  The drive time from McCleary to Tacoma is 1 hour 1 minute.  This girl is a little older too and is categorized as a runaway.  Same route.  What if these kids are NOT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KATYA MARIE LYNE
NCMC831557
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 28, 1981    Age: 27
Missing: Mar 21, 1997    Race: White/Hisp
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US –
Wayne Watne in Port Angeles 1997-2hours 22 minutes drive time.  This girl is older, as well and is considered a runaway.  Here we go again.  Same route, very near Tacoma.



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BITHIA JANAHI PEREZ
NCMC1062637
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 15, 1999    Age: 9
Missing: Dec 8, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  This little girl is quite a bit younger than the others, however.  I copied this exactly from the source from which it came and something is wrong in either the age of this little girl or her birthdate.  Same neighborhood, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MAYRA JARETTE RAMIREZ
NCMC1059515
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jun 29, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Dec 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: EVERETT, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  36 minutes drive time to Everett, just down the road, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELSIE DANIELA RAMOS
NCMC1057973
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Nov 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: GRANGER, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  3 hours 31 minutes drive time to Granger  Perfect age though.  This is the only child who is south of the route we’ve discovered.  Granger is quite a bit south of the route and out of the way drive up to Tonasket. 
 


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Missing from Oregon State
Wayne Watne in Portland, Oregon Jan 1989 to Jan 1989
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon Aug 1998 to Jan. 2004
Wayne Watne in Lebanon, Oregon July 1999 to July 1999
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon 2001-2002

Lydia Braschler-Varo - Missing from Mt. Vernon Oregon in 2001, 13 yrs old at the time.  Wayne Watne is living in Corvallis, Oregon at this time, almost due east of Corvallis.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  NARCISA ARACELY BERNARDINO
NCMC1011292
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 29, 1988    Age: 20
Missing: Jan 12, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: ONTARIO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  Amost 8 hour drive to Ontario, Oregon.  This one doesn’t fit the route.  It is southeast of Bend, Oregon and very near to Mt. Vernon, Oregon (above)


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KARLA NAYELI CORONADO
NCMC995833
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 3, 1989    Age: 19
Missing: Jul 27, 2004    Race: Hispanic
Location: SHERWOOD, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 11 minutes  drive to Sherwood, Oregon, just south of Portland where he lived at one time.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MIRIAM CRUZ-TORRES
NCMC1006914
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Aug 24, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jan 28, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: THE DALLES, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 57 minutes  drive to The City of Dalles, Oregon but on the direct route to Tonasket property.  It does not appear as if he owned the property in 2005 but perhaps he visited the area before purchasing?

 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YULIANA ESCUDERO
NCMC959161
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 4, 1987    Age: 22
Missing: Nov 3, 2001    Race: White/Hisp
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Corvallis, Oregon.  52 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YENI FUENTES-GARCIA
NCMC1051378
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1989    Age: 20
Missing: Apr 20, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  37 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier.
 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MARIA VIRGINIA HIDALGO
NCMC1082650
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 25, 1993    Age: 16
Missing: May 29, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: GRESHAM, OR, US
 Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Gresham, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SAVANAH PALAMARO ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 16, 1994    Age: 15
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Lake Oswego, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too. This is making me sick.  All these girls around the same area, north of Salem and south or right around Portland.  Wayne has his property up in Tonasket during this time.
 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SIERRA RACHELLE ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 25, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
 These two girls must be sisters. 


5779A-National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KACEY ANN PERRY
NCMC745166
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: May 31, 1980    Age: 29
Missing: Sep 14, 1990    Race: White
Location: PORTLAND, OR, US
 In these earlier years Wayne is living in Portland and Corvallis, Oregon.  But we have a space of time with no residence from 1989 to 1997.  Where was he?

 Please help find Brooke Wilberger - missing since May 24, 2004 from Corvallis, Oregon.
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  5 hours  16 minutes drive to Corvallis, Oregon. 

Something to think about?

Blessings,
KimC




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:22:30 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

Elmas dollar store at martin st......says this place is closed.

Elma video is actually on 319 main st. in McCleary.

I can't find an address for Tazmanian Dollar Store in Elma.

I can't find a It Vision in Elma.

Did find a addy for Elma Liquor Agency #561 215 N. 4th St. Elma

But can't map it cause my maps are screwing up lol
Thank you DD.
I'll try and fogure out the map thing tomorrow.





everyone of these places show the same phone number where the xxxxxx is.  when I ran the phone number all these places came up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:24:41 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




I guess I totally missed the nancy moyer case, did you post about it ?  where?  or do you have a link I can read about the case  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way
I see it on your maps but on the Google map(when I can get it to work right)I zoomed in and I see no water back behind the mill.It may be called Mill's creek?I do see a small round depression back there so that could be it.

I have looked all over for the name of that creek behind the mill, finally a local told that is the jim mullin creek.  all I can see is FORK and that dam, and then on another off the wall map they show above the dam that body of water as a lake forget the name I will have to try to find it again.  I have looked on old maps etc, everywhere and can't find anything.  I see the water, but no names. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:37:44 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.

I don't know why it has not come out where lindsey's mother worked but I have been told it was a different place that this, again, not verified and againn ugh, I don't feel I should say, but that is not the place I have been told.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 10:38:20 PM
Nancy Moyer information is at www.nancymoyer.com according to Sherip.  And I'm with you Sherip.  WW is becoming much more than interesting if we put Nancy Moyer and the little Ellis girl into the mix. 

And read this about the little Kylie Ellis girl from Yelm.  Very suspicious to me.  She went missing on Dec 1, 08.  Her body was found on June 2nd.  The medical examiner said the body was completely intact and the cause of death was drowning.  She's been missing since Dec 1st and her little body was intact?

There's a good blog here:
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10199.html (http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10199.html)

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:42:35 PM
Quote
This little girl,they found her body.
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Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm

when was this, I better look this up too
I am interested in any other cases in the area, meaning in washington.  we might also look at the ones in northern oregon from corvallis, north.  but especially if you run into ones in the mccleary area, the area west to the ocean and any up in pierce county.  that would be mt vernon area also. so if anyone sees any while looking about just post the names and I will try to look them up.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
thanks for the info KIM can you also post your post over on the "comparing cases" thread.  I forget exactly what that thread is named. 

also I had read up on the zinnia linnik case and posted over there I think, someone was arrested for that one.  but... sometimes they don't arrest the right person, or they have an accomplice they never know about etc.  but I posted about it over there what I had found

ww caught my eye as well and I started seeing all the missing where he was living or had relatives.  Have you read that thread over there?  I put what I found over there but I got sidetracked onto something else and have been working on that now.  but... as crazy as it sounds, we might have more than one perp working together, so I have not forgotten about WW either


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 10:57:02 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
The dollar store is one block  north of the fellowship same street!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 11:07:17 PM
Thanks DD.  I am still finding my way around this forum.  But for now, I need to sleep.  Goodnight and God Bless.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 11:10:48 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you dont want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 11:13:23 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Nancy Moyer Tenino March 2009

Kylie Ellis (They found her body) I believe she may have committed suicide.  She was from Yelm Washington.
What ??? Im confused they found a little girls body in Washington state????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 11:47:13 PM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you dont want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mgoblue on July 14, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
Hi DD. I just wanted you to know that I don't have much time to post on Scared Monkeys, but I do drop in here daily. I truly appreciate the work you and everyone else does for Lindsy. ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: Thanks to all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:29:07 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 14, 2009, 01:36:27 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:45:36 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....

The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store."

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:50:43 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....

The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store."

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt



The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 14, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


No disrespect intended so please don't take it that way because I am honestly curious since I've heard this a few time off and on but could you point out her time line on the show and the previous established time line? I don't have speakers on my comp and I don't trust what I read on news sites unless someone can verify it - learned that the hard way :) I'd like to know because I've known the police time line to be off several minutes even though we have the phone records etc and also the times given between my old man and myself but I have honestly not seen any real inconsistencies in MB's time line with the exception of a few minutes. - Thank You!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 14, 2009, 06:49:50 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in Elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you don't want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?
Well first,..... one is a refuge for pedophiles and other criminals. Not that believe all criminals will re offend. I am not willing to put my kids in jeopardy . The second one first off gave me a bad feeling when i went in. just not the feeling of a real church. I saw quite a few people who I could not place , but knew I had seen someplace. The next week my 9 year old wanted to go again but I was working and could not go to the youth group with her, so my mother agreed to take her and hang out. An hour later my mom came tpo my work and asked me to come outside with her. I did. She told me that she was there for 30 minutes and there were 23 people she knew from being a drug counselor for 30 years. she knows at least half are not clean and could tell at least a couple and another woman were high in the church. She forbid her granddaughter to be influenced in this church! she can not break the patient councilor privilege but she said please trust me hunny, The drugs are only one factor but the things she had been told by a few she witnessed in that church were far deeper than our minds should ever go. . so I do not allow them to go there, AT ALL.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 08:55:04 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in Elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you don't want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?
Well first,..... one is a refuge for pedophiles and other criminals. Not that believe all criminals will re offend. I am not willing to put my kids in jeopardy . The second one first off gave me a bad feeling when i went in. just not the feeling of a real church. I saw quite a few people who I could not place , but knew I had seen someplace. The next week my 9 year old wanted to go again but I was working and could not go to the youth group with her, so my mother agreed to take her and hang out. An hour later my mom came tpo my work and asked me to come outside with her. I did. She told me that she was there for 30 minutes and there were 23 people she knew from being a drug counselor for 30 years. she knows at least half are not clean and could tell at least a couple and another woman were high in the church. She forbid her granddaughter to be influenced in this church! she can not break the patient councilor privilege but she said please trust me hunny, The drugs are only one factor but the things she had been told by a few she witnessed in that church were far deeper than our minds should ever go. . so I do not allow them to go there, AT ALL.

thank you very much madibabe.  when I asked why you wouldn't let your daughter go there I didn't mean it as though I thought you should(just makig sure you did not take it that way, as when I re-read my question it sounded like I was kind of asking why in the world you would not allow your daughter in a church of all places, I hope you didn't take it that way) What I was asking, you to be clear, is if there was something you knw about there that was so bad no one should allow kids there etc.  anyway, thank you for your answers.  I am so glad your mom was able to go there and that she recognized that there were people there who were still on drugs, and the more important thing (IMO), is your mom knows of some "other things" some people were involved in.  I would really like to know what that would be, but I am sure you would have said if you thought you should or if you knew what they  were.  but if it is "far deeper than our minds should ever go", it has to be far worse than being on drugs etc.    Do you think we should research that place?  do you think there is something weird going on there that would flow out into the community?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:15:40 AM
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes
It's a little secret, just the Robinsons' affair
Most of all, you've got to hide it from the kids



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:32:28 AM
sorry to harp on this but I don't trust "weird churches"; too many whackjob killers are associated with weird churches or appear to be on the up and up inside their church.  It is these whackjobs who end up mixing biblical teachings with their craziness and start doing bizarre things, like killing people.  if you have people on drugs and weirdos in the mix and then add some unstable person who "receives a 'message'" from "God", then you can have some REAL whacko, not to mention if other people in the church are the same you really get some weird things going on. 

I've already heard there are some really crazy things going on up in that area.  Of course it all might be a bunch of baloney too, but rather than say boo-ha-ha at it, I am going to look into this.  "IF" it is really happening(which I know this stuff happens all over) then we have a sleepy little naive town where these kinds of people can live happily ever after and missing people are labeled as runaways etc. 

I would really like to know who the other "runaway" girl is.  How many others are there?  What other bizarre things are going on up there?  I had one person tell me Tacoma is full of this stuff but they never dreamed it could be going on in the mccleary area.  Well, I am hearing it is.  so sorry to get off on some bizarre crap, but I have to look at this and make sure this is not really going on before I discount it as boo-ha-ha stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 09:33:02 AM
madibabe thanks for that info, wow, how scary  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:37:01 AM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
I am wondering what actually brought wayne watne to mccleary area.  He is a missionary he says.  I wonder if he has any affiliation with the Elma churches?  the one church is connected with the baptist chruches.  so we can pretty much know a little about their doctrine(or at least on the surface), but this other church on 3rd, I wonder what their doctrine is.  And the church in mccleary which wayne watne is connected to is some offshoot out of Olympia.  let me go dig


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:52:21 AM
josh, lindsey's brother attended this church several times.  Lindsey has been seen there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:57:58 AM
just a little background info on churches in grays harbor county. 
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:xN1z6dOh5YsJ:ncbible.org/nwh/WaGrays.html+william+roundtree+elma+wa&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:00:01 AM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender

  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all your hard work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


No disrespect intended so please don't take it that way because I am honestly curious since I've heard this a few time off and on but could you point out her time line on the show and the previous established time line? I don't have speakers on my comp and I don't trust what I read on news sites unless someone can verify it - learned that the hard way :) I'd like to know because I've known the police time line to be off several minutes even though we have the phone records etc and also the times given between my old man and myself but I have honestly not seen any real inconsistencies in MB's time line with the exception of a few minutes. - Thank You!

Kara

Please listen to Melissa Baum's own words in the interview with Julie Chen in regards to the timeline concerning when you were contacted by Melissa and ... then read your own words posted on the SM forum.  IMO ... there is a discrepancy.

Considering Lindsey Baum was observed two blocks from her home by a neighbour who was on her way to work ... the starting point of the timeline has been established.  In the process of elimination ... every word of Melissa Baum must be analyzed in regards to her actions prior to call 911.

In other words ... ALL avenues must be explored whether the focus is on family or ... a stranger/acquaintance abduction.

Late last night I spent some time reading all the research that has been conducted on this forum in the past few days in regards to a possible abduction and ... the effort is amazing.  No stone should be left unturned in the quest in finding answers to what took place following the observations of the witnesses.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 14, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 10:11:07 AM

Small town of McCleary not giving up on missing girl

Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- While the official search for Lindsey Baum has been scaled back, no one in this town is giving up on finding her.

"We continue to get tips, we continually talk to the public," said McCleary Police Chief George Crumb. "I don't believe they've given up hope."

At the town's annual Bear Festival over the weekend, volunteers were passing out flyers with photos of the missing girl, who missed her 11th birthday last week.

"I know she's out there and I know she's alive," said Lindsey's mom, Melissa. "I just want her to know if she can hear me that I'm never going to stop looking for you. I'm going to look for you until I have you back. I swear I will never stop looking.

Lindsey vanished June 26 after leaving a friend's house to walk home. But something happened in that short distance, and she never arrived.

The investigation, which has involved multiple local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, has turned up nothing.

"Still from day one we haven't gotten any real viable good leads," Crumb said. "Leads keep coming in, but actual things we can work on, nothing has been presented to us."

Detectives don't want to see Lindsey's story disappear from the headlines, because each story could kick loose that one crucial tip.

At the height of the search, 75 members of the search and rescue team, as well as up to 35 officers and countless volunteers were scouring Grays Harbor County for the girl, who disappeared while walking home last month.

Lindsey's mother and the police chief appeared on a national TV program Monday morning to urge anyone with information to call investigators.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50679222.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:11:46 AM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune


this stuff is getting more and more out there in the open. this guy us just brazen to try to walk down the street and grab two girls out of a group of kids playing. thank God those two guys in the truck were there and beat the crap out of that guy to the point he got found and identified as the one who did it.  kids can't even play in a group of kids anymore without some whacko just walking up and grabbing one of them.  grrrrr

thanks klassend for not boo-ha-ha'ing off the board with my outrageous statements at times.  I will try to keep it at least half-a$$ believeable and with as much docs as I can dig up to back up what I am saying on this subject ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:13:22 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I have to get to my home chorse right now, will pop in and out as much as possible with some docs and info and research on those 2 elma churches and wayne watne connections etc.  and as always if someone wants me to look up somthing I will see if I can find anything.  I get on a subject and tear it apart, but I am always willing to help with whatever anyone else thinks. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
Where is Deenie?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 10:16:56 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::

I hope the FBI are still assisting behind the scenes in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Hi Tracy the missing girl below,they found her body.I think we have a thread for her here on SM's.Let me go check in case someone hasn't posted it yet....I'm behind on reading.

Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10199



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::

I hope the FBI are still assisting behind the scenes in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet
I hope so also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
I have started a new thread for my research on the Weirdos Connected to the churches and other strange goings-on in the McCleary/Elma and surrounding areas of Washington which might connect to this case in some way. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.new

I did not want to clutter up the main thread here for something that most people think is unbelieveable at best. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
Okay, here's a link to all or most of WW's residences.  It's long, just copy and paste in your browser.  I cannot seem to past the map here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6)

Now, take a look from where all these little girls are missing.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6)

And here I copy their stats and the dates that WW lived where according to another member's posts.

Wayne Watne – Tacoma, Washington Dec 1997 to Dec 1997
Wayne Watne –Port  Angeles, Washington 1997
Wayne Watne – Port Angeles, Washington Feb 1999 to Feb 1999
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington May 2004 to January 2006
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington Feb 2005 to Feb 2009
Wayne Watne – McCleary, Washington June 2008 to Nov 2008
Wayne Watne – Montesano, Washington Nov 2008 to 2009
Wayne Watne lists his residence in Olympia on his FB page.
Wayne Watne – Possible email = Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov while living in Montesano
Wayne may have relatives in and around Tacoma and Portland.  His brother lives in Corvallis.
One of his daughters R. Watne lives in Port Angeles. This girl showed up on the former wife's MS page. http://www.myspace.com/409084224


 July 4, 2007 – Zinna Linnick – Tacoma Washington
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington 2007 1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  Same route.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LUSIANA CARMEN ARGUETA
NCMC1119732
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Dec 1, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Nov 13, 2008    Race: Biracial
Location: SPANAWAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in either Montesano or McCleary.  Drive time from Montesano to McCleary is 33 minutes and from McCleary to Spanaway is 1 hour 2 minutes.  This is on the same route from North Washington state to just a little south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LINDSEY J BAUM
NCMC1125977
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 7, 1998    Age: 11
Missing: Jun 26, 2009    Race: White
Location: MCCLEARY, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELEXIS ELLENA BOYER
NCMC1125118
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 8, 1992    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 9, 2009    Race: White
Location: BELLEVUE, WA, US
Wayne is in McCleary most likely, and the drive time from McCleary to Bellevue is 1 hour 26 minutes.  But this girl may be a little old for him.  She was around 17 when she disappeared and she is considered a runaway.  But, we keep seeing the same route from North Washington toward Tacoma, where supposedly , WW has a mom or family member living. 


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  DANICA DIANNE CHILDS
NCMC1086909
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: May 25, 1990    Age: 19
Missing: Dec 21, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Federal Way is 1 hour 28 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Same route from North Washington to just south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  CANDELARIA CONTRERAS
NCMC1073412
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Mar 21, 1991    Age: 18
Missing: Jun 15, 2007    Race: Hispanic
Location: MANSON, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Manson is 3 hours 50 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  However, this is one of the girls on the route to Tonasket.  Here’s the google map link.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=manson,+washington&oe=utf-8&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=06dUSo73FpSusgOuicWODw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  JEWELYN FINNERAN
NCMC1116766
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 19, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Apr 11, 2008    Race: Asian
Location: PARKLAND, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Parkland is 1 hours 48 minutes.  Buy this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Jeesus!  This is making me sick to my stomach.  Same, exact route, just south of Tacoma and Federal Way. 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BRITTANY CAITLIN GRISSOM
NCMC1123615
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Sep 11, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: May 24, 2009    Race: White
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.  The drive time from McCleary to Tacoma is 1 hour 1 minute.  This girl is a little older too and is categorized as a runaway.  Same route.  What if these kids are NOT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KATYA MARIE LYNE
NCMC831557
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 28, 1981    Age: 27
Missing: Mar 21, 1997    Race: White/Hisp
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US –
Wayne Watne in Port Angeles 1997-2hours 22 minutes drive time.  This girl is older, as well and is considered a runaway.  Here we go again.  Same route, very near Tacoma.



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BITHIA JANAHI PEREZ
NCMC1062637
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 15, 1999    Age: 9
Missing: Dec 8, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  This little girl is quite a bit younger than the others, however.  I copied this exactly from the source from which it came and something is wrong in either the age of this little girl or her birthdate.  Same neighborhood, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MAYRA JARETTE RAMIREZ
NCMC1059515
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jun 29, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Dec 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: EVERETT, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  36 minutes drive time to Everett, just down the road, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELSIE DANIELA RAMOS
NCMC1057973
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Nov 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: GRANGER, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  3 hours 31 minutes drive time to Granger  Perfect age though.  This is the only child who is south of the route we’ve discovered.  Granger is quite a bit south of the route and out of the way drive up to Tonasket. 
 


SCROLL DOWN FOR THE MISSING CHILDREN FROM OREGON











Missing from Oregon State
Wayne Watne in Portland, Oregon Jan 1989 to Jan 1989
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon Aug 1998 to Jan. 2004
Wayne Watne in Lebanon, Oregon July 1999 to July 1999
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon 2001-2002

Lydia Braschler-Varo - Missing from Mt. Vernon Oregon in 2001, 13 yrs old at the time.  Wayne Watne is living in Corvallis, Oregon at this time, almost due east of Corvallis.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  NARCISA ARACELY BERNARDINO
NCMC1011292
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 29, 1988    Age: 20
Missing: Jan 12, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: ONTARIO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  Amost 8 hour drive to Ontario, Oregon.  This one doesn’t fit the route.  It is southeast of Bend, Oregon and very near to Mt. Vernon, Oregon (above)


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KARLA NAYELI CORONADO
NCMC995833
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 3, 1989    Age: 19
Missing: Jul 27, 2004    Race: Hispanic
Location: SHERWOOD, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 11 minutes  drive to Sherwood, Oregon, just south of Portland where he lived at one time.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MIRIAM CRUZ-TORRES
NCMC1006914
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Aug 24, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jan 28, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: THE DALLES, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 57 minutes  drive to The City of Dalles, Oregon but on the direct route to Tonasket property.  It does not appear as if he owned the property in 2005 but perhaps he visited the area before purchasing?

 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YULIANA ESCUDERO
NCMC959161
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 4, 1987    Age: 22
Missing: Nov 3, 2001    Race: White/Hisp
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Corvallis, Oregon.  52 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YENI FUENTES-GARCIA
NCMC1051378
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1989    Age: 20
Missing: Apr 20, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  37 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier.
 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MARIA VIRGINIA HIDALGO
NCMC1082650
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 25, 1993    Age: 16
Missing: May 29, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: GRESHAM, OR, US
 Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Gresham, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SAVANAH PALAMARO ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 16, 1994    Age: 15
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Lake Oswego, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too. This is making me sick.  All these girls around the same area, north of Salem and south or right around Portland.  Wayne has his property up in Tonasket during this time.
 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SIERRA RACHELLE ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 25, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
 These two girls must be sisters. 


5779A-National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KACEY ANN PERRY
NCMC745166
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: May 31, 1980    Age: 29
Missing: Sep 14, 1990    Race: White
Location: PORTLAND, OR, US
 In these earlier years Wayne is living in Portland and Corvallis, Oregon.  But we have a space of time with no residence from 1989 to 1997.  Where was he?

 Please help find Brooke Wilberger - missing since May 24, 2004 from Corvallis, Oregon.
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  5 hours  16 minutes drive to Corvallis, Oregon. 

Something to think about?

Blessings,
KimC



Whoaaa.....thank you Kim
I am speechless,that's a lot of work that went into that.
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.

I don't know why it has not come out where lindsey's mother worked but I have been told it was a different place that this, again, not verified and againn ugh, I don't feel I should say, but that is not the place I have been told.
Okey dokey,thanks DD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:54:39 AM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
The dollar store is one block  north of the fellowship same street!!
In Elma right and not in McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 11:01:49 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....
I thought someone posted a link to the volunteer built boys club in McCleary.....maybe yesterday?I wonder if Josh was a member there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 14, 2009, 11:42:02 AM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:49:27 AM
I have started a new thread for my research on the Weirdos Connected to the churches and other strange goings-on in the McCleary/Elma and surrounding areas of Washington which might connect to this case in some way. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.new

I did not want to clutter up the main thread here for something that most people think is unbelieveable at best. 
Thanks for doing that, I'm sure I won't find it unbelievable, I unfortunately realize how many sickos are out there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:51:53 AM
Thanks for that KimC, wow this all is frightening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 11:52:12 AM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.
I say go for it DD.Everything has to be looked at and investigated IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.



Tracygirl, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
MCCLEARY: No new clues in case of missing 11-year-old
THE OLYMPIAN | • Published July 14, 2009

Authorities have no new clues in the search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary, whose parents appeared on CBS’ “The Early Show” Monday.


Lindsey disappeared the night of June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house. An extensive search involved local law enforcement, the FBI, and community members.


Anyone with information is asked to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:02:32 PM
REader comment:

quidnunc wrote on 07/14/2009 08:13:17 AM:
How very sad! I feel very strongly that had the Sheriff's office issued an Amber Alert, which was permissable as per the Amber Alert guidelines (rgardles of what THEY tell you!)there might have been a chance to find her. As it is, they have themselves to blame for botching this investigation and waiting so long to even have her posted as a missing person. Even TODAY on www.waspc.org the Missing Persons seb site there is NO PICUTRE OF LINDSEY!!! Why is that? At least there is finally one on the WSP site. I simply cannot understand the motivation behind waiting so long to take action. From the beginning it was obvious that she was not a runnaway or whatever else they tried to have us believe as a reason for inaction. Now, if it turns out that they actually knew something that they didin't want to diclose to the public, and that is why they took their time, then I might be able to understand, but I don't think that is the case.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
REader comment:

quidnunc wrote on 07/14/2009 08:13:17 AM:
How very sad! I feel very strongly that had the Sheriff's office issued an Amber Alert, which was permissable as per the Amber Alert guidelines (rgardles of what THEY tell you!)there might have been a chance to find her. As it is, they have themselves to blame for botching this investigation and waiting so long to even have her posted as a missing person. Even TODAY on www.waspc.org the Missing Persons seb site there is NO PICUTRE OF LINDSEY!!! Why is that? At least there is finally one on the WSP site. I simply cannot understand the motivation behind waiting so long to take action. From the beginning it was obvious that she was not a runnaway or whatever else they tried to have us believe as a reason for inaction. Now, if it turns out that they actually knew something that they didin't want to diclose to the public, and that is why they took their time, then I might be able to understand, but I don't think that is the case.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html

Thanks  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune

although i don't think its ever a good idea to take the law in your own hands i still have to say :smt041 :smt038 :2notworthy: to these two guys..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
Olympia is close as well:

Family seeks help finding missing Olympia girl, 15
Originally published Monday, May 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM

OLYMPIA — The family of a 15-year-old Olympia girl who has been missing since she ran away from a residential facility for at-risk teens April 24 seeks the public's help in finding her.

Susan Martinson said her daughter, Rebecca, has run away before, but she always called her family. Also, there has been no activity on her daughter's MySpace page since before she disappeared, she said.

"Before, she would always call," Susan Martinson said. "It may not have been a pleasant call, but she'd call. She hasn't this time. It's really scaring us."

Martinson said her daughter's friends don't know where she is, either.

"We're just concerned for her safety," she said.

Martinson said her daughter was an honors student at Olympia High School before she got involved in drugs. She added that her daughter needs medication, and as far as she knows, all she has are the clothes on her back.

"We want the best for her," she said, adding that it's OK if her daughter doesn't want to live at home, but she wants her to be in a safe place.

Rebecca Martinson is 5 feet, 3 inches tall and about 130 pounds. She has a piercing on her left bottom lip, and her nickname is Becca.

Anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the Olympia Police Department at 360-753-8300.

Link to images of Rebecca:  http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009233387_webmissinggirl18m.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
just throwin' this out
Lindsey went to a college in TN for a writing camp....
most college students have cars...
did she make any friends during the camp?
if she were trying to get to TN to see dad maybe she contacted someone from the college???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
WELCOME I'm very sorry about your friend's child Kylie, thanks for your info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 12:31:21 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:34:31 PM
Welcome Concerned.  I am so sorry for your loss and pray that not another child is found in that way. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 12:36:58 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 14, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???

snipped:

Hi Mamacrazy ~

"The body was fully intact and there were no obvious signs of trauma, said Sgt. Dave Odegaard from the Thurston County Sheriff's Office."

You can read the rest here: http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29 (http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29) (hope it's okay to link)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.



Tracygirl, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::
Mine too Tracygirl


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:40:41 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:00:21 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

Please take a look at the article about Rebecca Martinson disappeared May 2009 that I posted above and the link to her images.  To me her physical appearance is similar  JMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:07:35 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.
::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???

snipped:

Hi Mamacrazy ~

"The body was fully intact and there were no obvious signs of trauma, said Sgt. Dave Odegaard from the Thurston County Sheriff's Office."

You can read the rest here: http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29 (http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29) (hope it's okay to link)
thanks ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:13:23 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
are they one in the same?? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 01:19:41 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

 www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ There is a picture of Kylie here. She was 5'7" I believe, 100lbs, long brown hair, brown eyes. Her books and the note were left on Dec. 1. The dogs tracked her away from the canal, and then her body was found there 6 months later. The whole situation is weird. There are things that I can't really go into on a public board, but we do think someone was helping her, at least for awhile. And possibly two different families at different times. I will try to find out today what church the youth group was at. I guess it is a pretty popular group, they have disco lights, music and food. I think it was Wednesday nights.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:28:29 PM
Suspect Arrested In MySpace Rape Case
Police fear there more be more victims:


A 28-year-old Washington state man has been arrested after police say he raped at least two different women that he had met on MySpace.

Marcos Roberto Lozano, of Olympia, is accused of drugging a 24-year-old woman then raping her. A friend of the alleged victim said she witnessed the incident as well.

The allegations against Lozano were reported to police after he was arrested in connection with a another rape involving a 21-year-old women in February.

Lozano, who works as a bartender at the Red Wind Casino in Olympia, is believed to have communicated with the woman on MySpace and then convincing them to meet him at the casino.

Because police fear there may be more victims, they are asking anyone who has information on this case to contact them or Crime Stoppers at 360-493-2222.

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/the-dead-kids-of-myspace/335b3f7c8c53148051abe48b2f3a5442


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Also if Wayne Watne was at Camp Delezene as the forester for fish and wildlife and the Arson was in that area then I really think
someone needs to really search that area.  Can cadaver dogs smell if something has been burnt?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 14, 2009, 01:35:59 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
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Wayne Watne

This is awesome timing for such an emphasis on Astronomy! If you really want to seee something amazing about the stars and really get an understanding of how incredibly large some of the stars are, how big the universe is, and the magnitude of the distances between some of the galaxies and earth check out the CD "Indescribable" by Louie Giglio... it will blow your socks off!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 02:06:08 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

Please take a look at the article about Rebecca Martinson disappeared May 2009 that I posted above and the link to her images.  To me her physical appearance is similar  JMO.

 I agree she is similar


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!

Does anyone know if Nancy Moyers girls were involved in the girl scouts or a church youth group?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?
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"If the body is submerged in cool (less than 70F or 21C) to cold (less
than 40F or 4,4C) water for as little as one to three weeks, the
corpse's tissues convert to adipocere, a compound that stops the
activity of bacteria. In extreme cold conditions, the normal process of decomposition is halted—by either lack of moisture or temperature controls on bacterial and enzymatic action—causing the body to be preserved as a mummy. Frozen mummies commonly restart the decomposition process when thawed.

Decomposition of Cadavers in Cold Water*
2 days:    Washerwoman's hands.
25 days:    Bloating, marbling, slippage
38 days:    Bloating, slippage, dark gray-brown discoloration, focal adipocere, purge fluid in body cavities.
68 days:    
Bloating, slippage, dark gray-brown discoloration, extensive subcutaneous adipocere, purge fluid in body cavities.
109 days:    Total saponification covered by a thin friable crust.
433 days:    Total saponification with thick friable crust and skeletonization.


Saponification - soft tissue in a conversion of the fat of a corpse into adipocere, often called "grave wax." This process is more common where the amount of fatty tissue is high, the agents of decomposition are absent or only minutely present, and the burial ground is particularly alkaline.

adipocere-  is a yellowish-white substance composed of fatty acids and
soaps which forms after death on the fatty parts of the body like
cheeks, abdomen wall, and buttocks. Adipocere is greasy or "soapy" and
has a strong and musty odor.
 

So, as cold as the water is in WA year round, especially in the winter, spring months, a fully intact body is quite possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:20:52 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
are they one in the same?? ::MonkeyEek::

Yep!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
concernedmommyinwa, I am sorry for the loss of your daughter's friend, Kylie. I hope what I just posted doesn't upset you too much.

This is a missing person/crime forum and sometimes the details we talk about can be a bit gruesome, especially for friends and family members.

I am sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 02:27:58 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
I don't know how to mark a map but there is a Delezenne road in Elma I think.Also,anything we find for this thread should probably be copied over to the Wayne Watne thread just to have the info in both places.
I did find the boy scout troop for the GraysHarbor county but not sure that is the correct troop.
Lots of trooping images here:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.troop27bsa.com/images/KlondikeDerby-2009-mountain-men.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.troop27bsa.com/photo_gallery/photo_gallery.htm&usg=__1-nqPLGUr00-mOYXqXHwinD0zzs=&h=296&w=445&sz=62&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=2KHB94MEtVQuBM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDelezenne%2BCreek%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Sasquatch Boys Scout Troop:
http://phcscouts.org/sasquatch/?q=node/1

All the surrounding areas Troops:
http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/view_homepage.asp?orgkey=26






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:34:50 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



I am the one that called the church in Olympia and the reporter.

I called and asked if WW was a minister. The lady that answered the phone said she had never heard of WW.

I then called the Daily World and spoke to Callie White who wrote the article. She said he had called and corrected her that he was a "missionary". She said she planned on writing a retraction. (don't know if she did or not) She also thought it weird that Olympia had never heard of him.

another monkey (don't remember who) said that there is an offshoot of the same church in McCleary and he was probably a missionary from there. Which is why Olympia may have never heard of him because he is "working for" the McCleary offshoot.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 14, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
I'm not sure if I already posted this or not, Pink Angel, but Harvest Vision Ministries has at least one of the same photos as is on Wayne Watne's Flickr page.  So, one would naturally assume that the sponsoring church would know that this person Wayne Watne was part of the mission work in December '08 in San Luis, Sonora, Mexico.  Perhaps the woman who answered the phone was simply not aware of him.  I would love to know, however, if the church also has the photos that Wayne has removed from his Flickr page of photos.  Wouldn't we all?  There's one on the church Flickr page of him with a little blonde girl on his shoulders.  Another photo shows him in a group photo, but he is kneeling apart from the others.  I dunno, probably not much of anything when viewed alone, but with everything that's pointing his way, something to observe, at least.

Here are the links:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2)
Above link is the Dec 08 Mexico Harvest Ministry Mission.  Wayne has some of the same photos on his flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/)
Wayne’s photos are in the link above, same trip with Harvest Ministries.  Dec. 08



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
This may be OT but I thought it was interesting as it involves the Delezenne area and Whyerhaeuser.Amazing how the FBI investigated way back in 1935.

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/weyer/weyer.htm

On May 24, 1935, George Weyerhaeuser, the nine-year old son of prominent lumberman J.P. Weyerhaeuser of Tacoma, Washington, disappeared on his way home from school. Although the students at Lowell School, which he attended, were released for lunch earlier than usual, George followed his regular practice of immediately walking to the nearby Annie Wright Seminary to meet his sister Ann. The family's chauffeur generally met George and Ann at the Seminary to drive them home for lunch at noon. Arriving at the Seminary 10 or 15 minutes early that day, George apparently decided to walk home rather than wait for his sister. But George never reached home that day; somewhere between the Seminary and his house, George Weyerhaeuser was kidnapped.........more at link.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
The family's chauffeur  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 14, 2009, 03:28:15 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: canadianmonkey on July 14, 2009, 03:42:40 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Sherip did you see the website that you got these directions from?  It's a role playing website that is going to be meeting at this park Aug 7th.  Not saying that anything is wrong with role playing or the group...but...they are role playing magicians and such.

http://www.legacieslarp.org/index.php


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 03:47:56 PM
The family's chauffeur  ::MonkeyShocked::

George revealed that when he left Annie Wright Seminary on May 24, 1935, he took a shortcut through some tennis courts. As he left the tennis courts, he met a man of about 40 with brown hair and a moustache who asked for directions. When George responded, the man picked him up and carried him to a sedan which was parked across the street.

Ransom was paid, eventually people were arrested and jailed..

George is the president of warehouser..


It was a different time in history.. Ransom was paid and Nobody hurt him. He was lucky


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
maybe someone should warn the role-players?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO
True and then when he goes missing they raise his level to a 3~likely to offend again~WTH? I'd say he should have gotten smacked with a level 3 from the get go.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!

County:
GRAYS HARBOR
Region 6

Streams:
Forest Practices

 Biologist:
Wayne Watne
Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov
 WDFW

Mailign Address:
48 Devonshire RD
Montesano, WA 98563
 (360) XXX-XXXX Ext. 208
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!

Does anyone know if Nancy Moyers girls were involved in the girl scouts or a church youth group?
Good question Sherip but I don't know the answer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO
True and then when he goes missing they raise his level to a 3~likely to offend again~WTH? I'd say he should have gotten smacked with a level 3 from the get go.

Agreed.  I have more harsh thoughts on this.  A flaming orange tattoo across the face to warn all, a GPS microchip that if removed fatal harm results....just really tired of these SO's being safer on the streets then our precious children.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
I'm not sure if I already posted this or not, Pink Angel, but Harvest Vision Ministries has at least one of the same photos as is on Wayne Watne's Flickr page.  So, one would naturally assume that the sponsoring church would know that this person Wayne Watne was part of the mission work in December '08 in San Luis, Sonora, Mexico.  Perhaps the woman who answered the phone was simply not aware of him.  I would love to know, however, if the church also has the photos that Wayne has removed from his Flickr page of photos.  Wouldn't we all?  There's one on the church Flickr page of him with a little blonde girl on his shoulders.  Another photo shows him in a group photo, but he is kneeling apart from the others.  I dunno, probably not much of anything when viewed alone, but with everything that's pointing his way, something to observe, at least.

Here are the links:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2)
Above link is the Dec 08 Mexico Harvest Ministry Mission.  Wayne has some of the same photos on his flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/)
Wayne’s photos are in the link above, same trip with Harvest Ministries.  Dec. 08


Thank you Kim,I lost the link for the Harvest Mission pics.I was thinking that the "food fight,carnaval"images were in there and not Wayne Watne's but nope.They are gone and it looks like Wayne Watne removed them.....Why remove only those pics?Just about everyone of those pics had kids in them.One set was a girls overnight trip,looked like it was in a gym.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Sherip did you see the website that you got these directions from?  It's a role playing website that is going to be meeting at this park Aug 7th.  Not saying that anything is wrong with role playing or the group...but...they are role playing magicians and such.

http://www.legacieslarp.org/index.php



Mmmmm...No - I thought I was looking at a boyscout website I just clicked on a link and got the directions.  That is weird - they have another one at Millersylvania which is really close to where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

I sort of got side tracked reading the directions and thinking about the word "Fork" and how often it is coming up in this whole situation with Lindsey.  The town, the twighlight series, the Arson Fire Directions, The boy scout camp, the creek by Jim Mullins, the comment under a newspaper article to look for Linsey in Forks.  I have never noticed that word being used so often before.  It is not a real common word to use.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:58:50 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:11:01 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.

Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:16:02 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


somewhere I had looked all this up and posted a map of this place etc.  I have been looking for it ugh.  I need to look at that map again to look for WORDS and the layout of those FORKS/creeks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
Rebecca Martinson   http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:20:07 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC



I have no idea who they are or are not investigating.  I guess they are not telling anyone a whole lot about much. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



I am the one that called the church in Olympia and the reporter.

I called and asked if WW was a minister. The lady that answered the phone said she had never heard of WW.

I then called the Daily World and spoke to Callie White who wrote the article. She said he had called and corrected her that he was a "missionary". She said she planned on writing a retraction. (don't know if she did or not) She also thought it weird that Olympia had never heard of him.

another monkey (don't remember who) said that there is an offshoot of the same church in McCleary and he was probably a missionary from there. Which is why Olympia may have never heard of him because he is "working for" the McCleary offshoot.



I had found info(forget now what it was) and posted about an offshoot etc.  it is somewhere in all that huge thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 14, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.
I say go for it DD.Everything has to be looked at and investigated IMO.

IMO go for it.
If you go too far for me, well, I will not say a word as Klaasend sets the rules and the tone and all of that jazz. And take rest breaks and take care of yourself too while you are at it. We did things to ourselves in the NH case where we were dreaming this stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 05:36:06 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


somewhere I had looked all this up and posted a map of this place etc.  I have been looking for it ugh.  I need to look at that map again to look for WORDS and the layout of those FORKS/creeks.




You have a map in your July 11 posts....I tried to make a copyto paste it here but it didnt work.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:51:50 PM
CORRECTING AN ERROR. 

WILLIAM JAY ROUNDTREE IS THE COUSIN OF MICHAEL DAVID FEESER/SEX OFFENDER
NOT THE UNCLE

sorry about the error


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:01:01 PM
Rebecca Martinson   http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html


The family of a 15-year-old Olympia girl who has been missing since she ran away from a residential facility for at-risk teens April 24 seeks the public's help in finding her.
Susan Martinson said her daughter, Rebecca, has away before, but she always called her family. Also, there has been no activity on her daughter's MySpace page since before she disappeared, she said.

"Before, she would always call,” Susan Martinson said. “It may not have been a pleasant call, but she’d call. She hasn’t this time. It’s really scaring us."

Martinson said her daughter’s friends don’t know where she is, either.

“We’re just concerned for her safety,” she said.

Martinson said her daughter was an honors student at Olympia High School before she got involved in drugs. She added that her daughter needs medication, and as far as she knows, all she has are the clothes on her back.

“We want the best for her,” she said, adding that it's OK if her daughter doesn't want to live at home, but she wants her to be in a safe place.

Rebecca Martinson is 5 feet, 3 inches tall and about 130 pounds. She has a piercing on her left bottom lip, and her nickname is Becca.

Anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the Olympia Police Department at 360-753-8300.


Also this one..
Updated: 12:43 pm PDT March 23, 2009

TENINO, Wash. -- Police searching with specially trained dogs on Sunday found no sign of a missing Tenino woman who disappeared about two weeks ago.

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee was reported missing by her estranged husband when he came to her home to drop off their two daughters, whose custody they share, police said.

Although detectives and Moyer's friends have combed the area near her home before, Sunday's search was the first in which dogs were used. Police and volunteers used 10 dog teams, including bloodhounds and cadaver dogs.

"At this point in the investigation, the human element is going to be the thing that turns this investigation," said Lt. Chris Mealy of the Thurston County Sheriff's Office. "Someone knows something. Somebody (saw) something. Now it's our job to get in contact with those people and get them to talk to us."

Mealy noted that Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker, a period "where almost anything could have happened or nothing at all."

Mealy said there has been no activity in Moyer's bank accounts.

Moyer did not have a cell phone, so investigators cannot use those records to track her.

Mealy said that the disappearance of the mother of two was "very suspicious, a lot of red flags on this," but there are no suspects in the case.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/18994414/detail.html

Fundraisers held for families of 2 missing women

06:15 PM PDT on Saturday, June 13, 2009


KENT, Wash. - Today two fundraising efforts were held for the families of 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore of Kent and 36-year-old Nancy Moyer of Tenino.

Both women have been missing for several months, and police have little clues as to what might have happened to the two.

"I'm just looking for that one person who knows some kind of information and they'll see this and understand what my family is going through," says Darius Burgans, Alyssa's father.

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.

Today her family is holding a car wash fundraiser to raise enough money for a reward. They're hoping the money will be the incentive for someone to come forward with information.

Sixty miles away in Lacey, Bev Poston's resolve is just as strong. Her good friend and co-worker Nancy Moyer disappeared without a trace from her home in Tenino last March, leaving behind 9- and 11-year-old daughters.

"I have a big concern that whoever took her if they get away with this they're going to do it again," says Poston, who is raising money for Moyer's daughters, who now live with their father.

"If there was any way she'd move heaven and earth to get to her daughters, she adores her daughters."

You can donate to both the Alyssa McLemore and Nancy Moyer Funds at US Bank.

(http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.11fd101b4ff.93.88.fa.d0.28074c81.jpg)
Nancy Moyer

(http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.11fd101b4ff.93.88.fa.d0.e04c484c.jpg)
Alyssa A. McLemore
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=619643


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

stacie watne has a kent address


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 06:16:49 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

stacie watne has a kent address

hand on to that thought for a moment and let me go confirm that, I THINK I remember that but I don't want to make any more mistakes here


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this
DD,is that Rebecca Martinson from Olympia?

http://www.theolympian.com/670/story/852170.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:30:32 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee
Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9.
A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?


I have a hinky feeling about this..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:31:21 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee
Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9.
A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
I have a hinky feeling about this..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
We always come across strange stuff.. It may mean nothing..
Gold neck chains ..close cut beard...trimmed hair.. am I looking at a mountain man or a playboy wanna be ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: cookie on July 14, 2009, 07:07:20 PM
Edward....hmmmmmmm......very interesting stuff there! ^^^^


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this
DD,is that Rebecca Martinson from Olympia?

http://www.theolympian.com/670/story/852170.html



no, it is a local girl out of Elma, some local told me that the girls mother was passing out flyers in Elma, that the police just think she ran away and they won't do anything.  I will ask the local if they have the last name of her, age whatever, I just have so much going on I keep getting sidetracked and forget to do things. 
sorry for taking so long to answer, I had to go lie down and sleep for a bit, but I am up now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 07:51:18 PM
We always come across strange stuff.. It may mean nothing..
Gold neck chains ..close cut beard...trimmed hair.. am I looking at a mountain man or a playboy wanna be ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::




that is NO mountain man!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 14, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

Hmmm, most park ranger & DNR vehicles are dark green, at least they are in Mich. & SC.

Just an observation. I just moved to NC, and haven't seen any here yet.

WW definately doesn't look too outdoorsy to me, even with the green shirt & vest.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.

which man are you talking about?  is it the other person in the photo with the wayne watne?  that is a woman LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:14:47 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.

which man are you talking about?  is it the other person in the photo with the wayne watne?  that is a woman LOL

oh brother I am losing it LOL.  I thought you meant the pick with wayne watne in it, my computer was locking up and I could not click the link, but I see what you mean now.  hmmm that guy might have been on a myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)
it could be, but he might work with his hands as well??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
well yes he could get the cuts and scrapes from all kinds of things.  I am just wondering if they are tats or cuts or what.  I always have my hands cut up  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
well yes he could get the cuts and scrapes from all kinds of things.  I am just wondering if they are tats or cuts or what.  I always have my hands cut up  ::MonkeyDevil::
i can't tell ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 14, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
At first I thought possibly a mechanic, but where would you get red "ink"/color from?  Maybe a tattoo artist?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 15, 2009, 01:35:22 AM
concernedmommyinwa, I am sorry for the loss of your daughter's friend, Kylie. I hope what I just posted doesn't upset you too much.

This is a missing person/crime forum and sometimes the details we talk about can be a bit gruesome, especially for friends and family members.

I am sorry.

Pink Angel, what you have posted are facts. What upsets me is that no one has seemed to care from the day Kylie went missing, that she was gone. She was 12, and she was classified as a runaway, and pretty much ignored. I hope that what you guys are doing makes another family not have to go through this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 15, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 15, 2009, 02:04:26 AM

[/quote]

Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 01:45:14 PM


Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.
[/quote]

thank you for the links I will try to go read through them in a bit.  I want to look at kylie's case.  I have so much I am working on right now to try to help find Lindsey, but I do want to take a look at Kylie's case.  It is too bizarre and just the few posts I have read on this thread about the circumstances of her going missing, then being seen, then all that canal strangeness and the suicide note, it makes no sense to me already.  And for all we know kylie's case MIGHT BE connected to some of the others.  It is close for one thing(as you have stated) and bizarre.

thanks for any info or links etc or thoughts you can add.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 01:55:41 PM
Rainier Chapel was established in 1935 as the Rainier Union Chapel. Today we are referred to as Rainier Chapel. We are a Non-Denominational Purpose Driven Church that seeks to show that God is real and relevant to our daily lives.

 

We have a small congregation of approximately 100 families. Approximately 30 members attend morning traditional service, and 70 members attend the contemporary second service.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Constitution/articles/doctrine/beliefs etc of raineer chapel
http://rainierchapel.com/constitution.htm#Art3


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
thurston county sex offenders failing to register.

we might should check out addresses for these guys, see if any area connected to mccleary, just the next county over, they could have relatives in mccleary and went there and not listed there.

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080408.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:11:47 PM
sketch and description of person in thruston county wanted for incidence with child

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080327.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:16:00 PM
thurston county, sketch and description AND WHITE CAR, guy offered ride and sex for money to a 14 year old, had stuff in the car looked like his personal belongings etc... maybe this guy made it to Mccleary.  the WHITE CAR? 

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080108.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 15, 2009, 02:19:06 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002

I hope somebody gets this information to local investigators.. It needs to be looked into.
jmho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
I wonder if any of the above people in the sketches might be hiding in mccleary/elma, or at that church who won't allow photos because some of the people do not want the law to know where they are at.  I will send these links to locals elma and see if they have recognized anyone around there like that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:22:33 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002

I hope somebody gets this information to local investigators.. It needs to be looked into.
jmho

I have more info on the oregon info for wayne watne.  I will try to get it all together in on place or post or if someone else can let me know and I will work on someothing else.  I think I put most of the oregon wane watn info in the wayne watne thread,


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 04:03:53 PM


Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.
[/quote]
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)
Thanks DD
His fingers look more banged up and not a tattoo.Maybe someone local has seen him around and might know who he is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 04:43:10 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 05:35:55 PM
thurston county, sketch and description AND WHITE CAR, guy offered ride and sex for money to a 14 year old, had stuff in the car looked like his personal belongings etc... maybe this guy made it to Mccleary.  the WHITE CAR? 

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080108.pdf
The sketch in this link looks like a wanted offender from your first link posted above this post.....Tyler G. McGee.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 05:39:35 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::

Did you look at the photo from the newspaper that is earlier in this post compared to the photo you lightened up?  What do you think? Do you see any similarities?  I do,  but honestly I am not sure if I just want so see them so we can find Lindsey before she ends up like Kylie.  It would be something concrete to give LE if he knew both girls.  Sure surprized me when I saw the photo and caption.

Does anyone know if WW plays guitar at the McCleary church?


Here is a photo from facebook


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 15, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html



June 2009 news from same website

 “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 15, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.

Kara, I started and run Nevaeh Buchanan's facebook page and would be glad to help you on that end if you need it. Just let me know.

You can email me at justice4themissing@gmail.com or message me on facebook.  http://www.facebook.com/4themissing.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.

KaraK - just so it's clear, we are not affiliated with Marc Klaas or any of his sites.  My nickname, Klaasend, has nothing to do with Marc Klaas and never has.  I just didn't want any misunderstandings.  I have nothing against Marc Klaas or his sites and have nothing but respect for him.  We are not affiliated with him though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html


The ministry is supported by brothers and sisters in Christ from different areas and churches that share their time, talents and resources.

Although many of us attend different churches locally, we build and maintain our relationships by hosting men's, women's and family worship services at different churches and participating with local churches and ministries outside of our own local church families

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528585.htm

so wayne is not part of any one denominational chruch.  so he might be in one church in one town ad a totaly different deomination in another.  Therefore he would not be a MEMBER of these churches and he would be a missionary who moves from churhch to church...or so it seems.  this seems what harvest ministries is stating they do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 06:51:21 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::

Did you look at the photo from the newspaper that is earlier in this post compared to the photo you lightened up?  What do you think? Do you see any similarities?  I do,  but honestly I am not sure if I just want so see them so we can find Lindsey before she ends up like Kylie.  It would be something concrete to give LE if he knew both girls.  Sure surprized me when I saw the photo and caption.

Does anyone know if WW plays guitar at the McCleary church?


Here is a photo from facebook


I may have found a sort of connection thru the e-life group in Rainier

This was in the link given for the youth group that Kylie was attending.

E-LIFE Announcements:

FUSION July 22, 2009
Yelm Prairie Christian Center
Need a ride? Meet at Rainier Chapel @ 6:40pm
Start time = 7pm and End time = 9pm

I did a search for the Yelm Prarie Christian Center and came up Harvest Life Christian Church
http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/WA/Olympia/Churches+Christian/

Could this be connected to WW by the Harvest Vision Ministries

I thought the connection was thru the Evergreen Christian Center but it may be thru the Harvest Vision Ministries.  This along with the Photo's that I located has sort of got me spooked.

He seems to have a connection with everything we have discussed the past few days.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 06:57:12 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 06:57:44 PM

KaraK - just so it's clear, we are not affiliated with Marc Klaas or any of his sites.  My nickname, Klaasend, has nothing to do with Marc Klaas and never has.  I just didn't want any misunderstandings.  I have nothing against Marc Klaas or his sites and have nothing but respect for him.  We are not affiliated with him though.

You know I never actually made that connection but I am glad that you cleared that up because I am sure at some point I would have looked at the names and went "hmm". I will say after talking with him and visiting his sites I was quite impressed - like many here on the board he is very dedicated to doing what he can and helping anyway that he can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 07:00:37 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.

I can find that out. I will let you know the answer as soon as I get it - I am currently waiting for a call back from Melissa so I should know within the next few hours unless I see Josh first.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 07:29:57 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.

I can find that out. I will let you know the answer as soon as I get it - I am currently waiting for a call back from Melissa so I should know within the next few hours unless I see Josh first.
Kara,could you also ask if Lindsey and Josh were in the girlscouts/boyscouts,if yes,where were the meeting places located?Were either Josh or Lindsey involved in ANY type of child/youth groups run by a church or a church meeting place?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 07:43:34 PM
one more thing kara

I am told there is a new local flyer in the news there.  Is there anyway you or someone can scan that and post it.  I see they corrected the wording for the pullover shirt from sweatshirt. that is good

______________________
there's a slightly updated flyer in the ad section of the paper, put out by our local grocery store.  it has 4 photos of lindsey and reads:
Please Help Us Find Our Community Girl - Lindsey J. Baum, 10 Year Old Female
D.O.B. 1998-07-07 HT: 4'9" WT: 80 lbs. EYES: Brown HAIR: Brown
Lindsey was last seen at about 9:15 P.M. Friday night, June 26, 2009 leaving her friends home after she visited on Maple Street.
Lindsey was to walk the four blocks to her residence on Mommsen Road in McCleary.  She did not come home.
Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 P.M.  She was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
if you have any information regarding this child, please call the Grays Harbor County E911 Center at (360) 533-8765
if out of county call 1-800-281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 08:15:19 PM
is there the video of wayne watne speaking at the vigil?  anyone have a link to that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 08:17:14 PM
[qoute] sherip wrote

I may have found a sort of connection thru the e-life group in Rainier

This was in the link given for the youth group that Kylie was attending.

E-LIFE Announcements:

FUSION July 22, 2009
Yelm Prairie Christian Center
Need a ride? Meet at Rainier Chapel @ 6:40pm
Start time = 7pm and End time = 9pm

I did a search for the Yelm Prarie Christian Center and came up Harvest Life Christian Church
http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/WA/Olympia/Churches+Christian/

Could this be connected to WW by the Harvest Vision Ministries

I thought the connection was thru the Evergreen Christian Center but it may be thru the Harvest Vision Ministries.  This along with the Photo's that I located has sort of got me spooked.

He seems to have a connection with everything we have discussed the past few days.
[/quote]

I wish we could really figure out just who wayne watne is connected to.  he says he is a missionary, but from where?  and how many churches does he affiliate with?  all of them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
one more thing kara

I am told there is a new local flyer in the news there.  Is there anyway you or someone can scan that and post it.  I see they corrected the wording for the pullover shirt from sweatshirt. that is good

______________________
there's a slightly updated flyer in the ad section of the paper, put out by our local grocery store.  it has 4 photos of lindsey and reads:
Please Help Us Find Our Community Girl - Lindsey J. Baum, 10 Year Old Female
D.O.B. 1998-07-07 HT: 4'9" WT: 80 lbs. EYES: Brown HAIR: Brown
Lindsey was last seen at about 9:15 P.M. Friday night, June 26, 2009 leaving her friends home after she visited on Maple Street.
Lindsey was to walk the four blocks to her residence on Mommsen Road in McCleary.  She did not come home.
Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 P.M.  She was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
if you have any information regarding this child, please call the Grays Harbor County E911 Center at (360) 533-8765
if out of county call 1-800-281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

I believe her family printed up that flyer. I will get a copy of it as well as one that we will be printing that will be easy to email around courtesy of "Laura Recovery Center".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 08:45:49 PM

Kara,could you also ask if Lindsey and Josh were in the girlscouts/boyscouts,if yes,where were the meeting places located?Were either Josh or Lindsey involved in ANY type of child/youth groups run by a church or a church meeting place?

I know Lindsey was a part of the girl scouts I will find out about Josh and also where the meetings were held. I will let you know as soon as I can !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 15, 2009, 09:14:14 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?
Sorry I was not on yesterday. In some places it does work. If she had verizon thes yes more than likley it would work. It gets spotty in some places. I have just walked a block or so to higher ground and usualy get service anywhere out in the woods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 15, 2009, 09:35:51 PM
T/Y

He is looking very Perp at this moment.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
so if wayne watne was at the mt vernon church on the team in 2008, when did he move to Mccleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:04:47 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:07:26 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:12:23 PM
all of the staff at the mt vernon church including the pastor and the youth ministere are women, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is just uncommon for the ALL to be women.  I wonder what Wayne was there, did he have a title/position or was he just another member?

http://www.mountvernonnaz.org/staff.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:13:06 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??

the one out in the forest with the sunglasses on.  he just looks different in that one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:14:25 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
::MonkeyEek::
really it looks like shelf, a sword, and some kind of branch/dead plant....my aunt had those things in vases in the late '80s ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:16:04 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??

the one out in the forest with the sunglasses on.  he just looks different in that one.
beard was thicker and darker...maybe grecian formula for facial hair???...not so much gray in that pic, but could be lighting as well...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:17:08 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
::MonkeyEek::
really it looks like shelf, a sword, and some kind of branch/dead plant....my aunt had those things in vases in the late '80s ::MonkeyWink::
he kinda looks like a hippy in this one...not so 'play-boy'...hummm the 2 sides of WW?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:20:07 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
he looks 20lbs lighter in this compared to the woods pic..?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
I see some type of necklace -- beads? stones?  I realize the picture has been blown up, it is my imagination (which right now is running at high) but look at his hands.  Do they have colors on them as well at that other guy?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 10:43:38 PM
ok, going with my wild imagination now, thing on wall a walking stick, twigs, and part of a harp shape?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 15, 2009, 10:51:37 PM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
ok somewhere the aliance church came up with the address of the new life center.  this is not correct, they are two different places, somehow on the web they showed the same address but they aren't.  A local just told me, one is at 215 3rd st and the other is at 315 3rd so must have been a typo and got entered as the same address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:57:43 PM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08

the group photo is from the mt vernon nazarene church where he was a member and that came from the global ministry page on their site


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 15, 2009, 11:26:39 PM
Okay, I read a few pages back about where Stacie Watne (former wife of WW) lives.

Stacie Watne lives in Kent according to her MySpace page
Her daughter Rae Anne Watne lives in Port Angeles
Her other daughter Celeste Ingersol (Stacie's maiden name) lives in Olympia according to her MySpace page (she and Rae Anne appear on Stacie's MySpace page on the friends list). 

Nancy Moyer had two little girls.  If my memory serves me correctly, they are 11 and 9.  Do you think Nancy may have known something about you know who? 

Something is horribly wrong in Washington.  There are just way too many girls missing.  I mean, one is too many, but you know what I mean.  This is unspeakable.

We need to make some links to youth groups.  I am astounded that you all dig up what you do.  Some of the stuff seems so obscure.  I am so thankful for this group, for your work. 

Blessings to you All,
Kim


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2009, 11:47:05 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50897752.html

'Every day that goes by is just agony'
by Keith Eldridge

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg)
Lindsey Baum is shown in a newly released photo

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- "Please, if anybody knows anything, even if you don't think it's important to you, it may be very beneficial to this case in bringing Lindsey home."

Lindsey Baum's father Scott made the emotional plea Wednesday as the family still waits for word of what happened to their daughter.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 walking home from a friend's house. Her parents are confident she's still alive.

"I feel her in my heart. I just know she's alive," said her mother Melissa. "I just want to say to whoever has my daughter: 'Please, just let her go.' I don't care who you are, I don't care where you are, I just want my daughter back."

The parents came forward Wednesday eager to make sure their daughter isn't forgotten.

"We want to keep her face out there," Melissa Baum said. "We want people to see who she is."

They've even created a couple of Web sites for folks to contact: lindseybaum.com and findlindseybaum.com.

"The search continues even though we don't see it," Scott Baum said. "There's still people out there looking for her. Everybody still has faith and that's all I can ask for is people don't give up on her."

Scott lives in Tennessee and is a member of the National Guard there. He was set to deploy to Iraq soon, but that may change.

"There's talk that they're not going to deploy me," he said.

It means he could stay stateside and stay on the search for his daughter.

"Just please bring my daughter home. Give us the peace of mind. Let her go unharmed."

Melissa added: "I still feel in my heart I know she's alive, but every day that goes by is just agony."

The Baum's have been contacted by other families across the nation who've been through the pain of a missing child offering words of encouragement, but saying it doesn't get easier.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 11:53:53 PM
Thank you for sharing that beautiful picture.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 11:58:12 PM
Okay, I read a few pages back about where Stacie Watne (former wife of WW) lives.

Stacie Watne lives in Kent according to her MySpace page
Her daughter Rae Anne Watne lives in Port Angeles
Her other daughter Celeste Ingersol (Stacie's maiden name) lives in Olympia according to her MySpace page (she and Rae Anne appear on Stacie's MySpace page on the friends list). 

Nancy Moyer had two little girls.  If my memory serves me correctly, they are 11 and 9.  Do you think Nancy may have known something about you know who? 

Something is horribly wrong in Washington.  There are just way too many girls missing.  I mean, one is too many, but you know what I mean.  This is unspeakable.

We need to make some links to youth groups.  I am astounded that you all dig up what you do.  Some of the stuff seems so obscure.  I am so thankful for this group, for your work. 

Blessings to you All,
Kim
i agree something stinks in WA..we either have a cereal killer (credit to no rose if thats the case) or a cult.....too many girls/women...FOR YEARS!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 16, 2009, 12:14:34 AM
I had started a comparison thread, maybe we should list all the missing we find with the info and start comparing the info to see which ones have the same common denominators, who or what kind of people they were around etc, where they worked, went to church, who their neighbors area etc, who might they know or be connected to in common.  who is living around ones in different places etc.  if found, where found, location comparison, like in town, in the woods, in the water

there are so many that if the same people/person is involved there should be common things pop up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 16, 2009, 12:22:18 AM
i wrote it all down from the link thread,,what i could keep up ..dates of missing)from thread 'till my eyes crossed...
june 7
sept 17
 feb 1
apri 9
july 20
feb 6
oct 21
june 24
july4
dec 2


there are others found but not a missing date....i'm sure its not accurate but the best i could do


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 12:29:14 AM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08


The photo I posted on the Guitar player was taken in Rainier Washington at the church that another young girl  Kylie was a member of she was found dead in June.

I am trying to figure out if ww is also this wayne.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
Was the last name Gregoire mentioned here or did I dream it?

This is from Cantu geneology:
6 Leonide Mary Lawless b: 12 Nov 1895 in Grafton, ON d: 29 Dec 1966 in St. Michaels Hospital,Toronto, ON
................... +Telesphore Gregoire b: 1893 in North Bay, ON m: 21 Jun 1921 in St. Mary's, Grafton, ON d: 1972 in Toronto, ON Fact 1: Canada Post employee m: 21 Jun 1921 in St. Mary's, Grafton, ON

I'm probaby way off here -- good night monkeys
 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 16, 2009, 12:46:51 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW
why do you think?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 16, 2009, 01:05:57 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW

well this is from their global team so I guess they send them out all over.  ??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 09:13:23 AM
Sherip....

I guess I missed something with the guitar player in Ranier.  HIS NAME IS WAYNE?  REALLY?

I missed that.  Is this posted with the photo somewhere?

Sorry to not be on the upbeat on this.

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
Okay I am reviewing photos again.  Regarding the photo of WW from the "Lewis Work Team" from the Church of the Nazarene and the photo of WW with that other lady bilogist about the forest fire, the graying pattern on the beard appears to be the same.  Just my observation.

Can Kara or DD find out if there was a clean-shaven WW at Lindsey's vigil?  What did WW look like?  Wearing that beaded-type necklace?  Wedding ring?  Anything anyone would've noticed. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 10:01:18 AM
Search under way for 3 missing boys

06:41 AM PDT on Thursday, July 16, 2009

KING5.com

Video: Police searching for missing boys in Monroe
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MONROE, Wash. - Search teams are combing the area near the Evergreen Fairgrounds, looking for three boys missing since Wednesday night.

The boys, eight-year old Elijah Gertschitz, his 10-year-old brother Ethyan Gertschitz and their 11-year-old friend Dylan Lewis, were last seen outside playing in the 18000 block of 137th Street SE in Monroe.

The father of brothers thought he heard them at about 9:45 p.m. when he began calling them. He said he whistled and yelled for them but they did not respond. He called police about 45 minutes later.

Officers from the Monroe Police Department and deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office have been searching a wooded area near the home.

Officials say Elijah is wearing an orange t-shirt and faded jeans, Ethyan is in a grey t-shirt and blue jeans. Dylan Lewis is wearing a dark grey t-shirt with the letters 'DC' on it and dark blue jeans.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071609WAB_search-missing-monroe-boys-JM.46e1b830.html?rss

No Amber Alert yet. How far is Monroe from McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 16, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
Search under way for 3 missing boys

06:41 AM PDT on Thursday, July 16, 2009

KING5.com

Video: Police searching for missing boys in Monroe
Larger screen E-mail this clip
   

MONROE, Wash. - Search teams are combing the area near the Evergreen Fairgrounds, looking for three boys missing since Wednesday night.

The boys, eight-year old Elijah Gertschitz, his 10-year-old brother Ethyan Gertschitz and their 11-year-old friend Dylan Lewis, were last seen outside playing in the 18000 block of 137th Street SE in Monroe.

The father of brothers thought he heard them at about 9:45 p.m. when he began calling them. He said he whistled and yelled for them but they did not respond. He called police about 45 minutes later.

Officers from the Monroe Police Department and deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office have been searching a wooded area near the home.

Officials say Elijah is wearing an orange t-shirt and faded jeans, Ethyan is in a grey t-shirt and blue jeans. Dylan Lewis is wearing a dark grey t-shirt with the letters 'DC' on it and dark blue jeans.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071609WAB_search-missing-monroe-boys-JM.46e1b830.html?rss

No Amber Alert yet. How far is Monroe from McCleary?

108miles, 2hours drive


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
Thanks, I started a thread for them in the Missing Forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 16, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
KaraK ~ I'm glad you've been contacted by the Dubois.  I saw eerie similarities between Lindsey's & Amber's cases early on.  They post here on the forum as well, although not as much the last few months.

Praying for a safe return of Lindsey & Amber! 

Lovinlife


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 11:32:52 AM
I read earlier that Lindsey wanted to be an author and had attended a writing camp.  By coincendnce WW is also a writer here. Here is a copy of a published letter in 2006. 

I am pasting seperating one statement of his letter because I am creeped out by it:

As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA




Further down in this page is complete article written by WW and website. 

There is also a response to his letter from another person:
friendlyatheist.com/2006/12/04/wired-article-response

Wired Article Response | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta
The cover of November's Wired magazine featured The New Atheists. ... Someone want to comment on what Wayne Watne said? Karen Says



http://www.wired.com/letters/2006/12/from_wayne_watn/

From Wayne Watne
By Wired Letters Department  December 1, 2006  |  11:09 am  |  Categories: Church of the Non-Believers, Issue 14.11, Religion
I would like to comment in the “Rants and Raves” column in regard to the aforementioned article published in your Wired magazine edition 14.11. I am a scientist, living on the west coast where the author states is “possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious”, and I am a Christian. I am constantly amazed that “well educated” people in the sciences can overlook the simple facts of the discipline in which they themselves participate. The very foundation of the sciences are that, simply stated; 1) matter cannot be created, and 2) everything goes from order to disorder.

To look at these concepts scientifically we need to know what “science” is. Science is looking at the evidence we have around us using each of our senses (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell) to investigate the world around us. Using the simple basics of their own discipline, scientists should be able to discern that there is matter present and if there is matter present, and matter cannot be created by nature or man, then the matter we can clearly observe, came from outside of the influence of man and nature. Furthermore, we can also use science to prove that evolution is in fact impossible. Science says everything goes from order to disorder, evolution says everything goes from disorder to order. Look at the world around us and show me evidence of anything that goes from disorder to order. Your body, home, car, clothes…they all start out orderly and with time become disorderly.


I find it very interesting that this article actually fulfills a biblical prophecy written 2000 years ago. These “scientists” discussed in the article were predicted by the apostle Paul in II Timothy 3:3-4 where it states “for the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the Truth and turn aside to myths”. These “educated” men want to teach what others want to hear… so they can do as they please without having any moral recourse. These men become successful because they are saying what others “itching ears” want to hear.

Thank you for publishing this article, it has been a great tool for me as I show my children and others the “stories” written thousands of years ago in the Bible being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. Keep up the good work. As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA



I am not sure if this information was posted earlier.  If it was I sorry for taking up space.  I just thought that the "writing" angle would be a common interest for WW and Lindsey to share.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 16, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
Very interesting Sherip & Welcome to SM!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 16, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 16, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.

I have read that also somewhere, hmmmm wired magazine...Was this on another case? I have what I call a half memory, I can remember 1/2 of things, like I read this, not idea why or when but I did!

You all are doing an amazing job. I hope LE is following up on your ideas. Just popping in before going back to the hospital to relieve my husband. They are moving my fil to hospice care today we think. I hope his suffering is over soon.   Cancer is a horrible thing, we all need to fight for a cure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 12:59:26 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.

I have read that also somewhere, hmmmm wired magazine...Was this on another case? I have what I call a half memory, I can remember 1/2 of things, like I read this, not idea why or when but I did!

You all are doing an amazing job. I hope LE is following up on your ideas. Just popping in before going back to the hospital to relieve my husband. They are moving my fil to hospice care today we think. I hope his suffering is over soon.   Cancer is a horrible thing, we all need to fight for a cure.

My prayers go with you, Tracygirl.  I understand what a difficult time this is for your family.  Blessings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
I read earlier that Lindsey wanted to be an author and had attended a writing camp.  By coincendnce WW is also a writer here. Here is a copy of a published letter in 2006. 

I am pasting seperating one statement of his letter because I am creeped out by it:

As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA




Further down in this page is complete article written by WW and website. 

There is also a response to his letter from another person:
friendlyatheist.com/2006/12/04/wired-article-response

Wired Article Response | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta
The cover of November's Wired magazine featured The New Atheists. ... Someone want to comment on what Wayne Watne said? Karen Says



http://www.wired.com/letters/2006/12/from_wayne_watn/

From Wayne Watne
By Wired Letters Department  December 1, 2006  |  11:09 am  |  Categories: Church of the Non-Believers, Issue 14.11, Religion
I would like to comment in the “Rants and Raves” column in regard to the aforementioned article published in your Wired magazine edition 14.11. I am a scientist, living on the west coast where the author states is “possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious”, and I am a Christian. I am constantly amazed that “well educated” people in the sciences can overlook the simple facts of the discipline in which they themselves participate. The very foundation of the sciences are that, simply stated; 1) matter cannot be created, and 2) everything goes from order to disorder.

To look at these concepts scientifically we need to know what “science” is. Science is looking at the evidence we have around us using each of our senses (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell) to investigate the world around us. Using the simple basics of their own discipline, scientists should be able to discern that there is matter present and if there is matter present, and matter cannot be created by nature or man, then the matter we can clearly observe, came from outside of the influence of man and nature. Furthermore, we can also use science to prove that evolution is in fact impossible. Science says everything goes from order to disorder, evolution says everything goes from disorder to order. Look at the world around us and show me evidence of anything that goes from disorder to order. Your body, home, car, clothes…they all start out orderly and with time become disorderly.


I find it very interesting that this article actually fulfills a biblical prophecy written 2000 years ago. These “scientists” discussed in the article were predicted by the apostle Paul in II Timothy 3:3-4 where it states “for the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the Truth and turn aside to myths”. These “educated” men want to teach what others want to hear… so they can do as they please without having any moral recourse. These men become successful because they are saying what others “itching ears” want to hear.

Thank you for publishing this article, it has been a great tool for me as I show my children and others the “stories” written thousands of years ago in the Bible being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. Keep up the good work. As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA



I am not sure if this information was posted earlier.  If it was I sorry for taking up space.  I just thought that the "writing" angle would be a common interest for WW and Lindsey to share.



Thank you sherip.

Considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence and ... considering his connection to both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (Evergreen Church) ... in the process of elimination ... I believe that Wayne Watne should not be disregarded as a person of interest until questioned and ruled out.

However ... when all is said and done ... my heart tells me that Wayne Watne's mission in life is sincere.  The purpose is to make a positive difference in the lives of others in the name of his faith.

Janet

+++++++


Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing  and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Wayne Watne – Research Thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Credit: doubledecker



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
HAPPY ENDING! TV reporter finds 3 missing Monroe, WA boys sitting on a sidewalk. http://bit.ly/2i7LG (some exclusive she will have!)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
HAPPY ENDING! TV reporter finds 3 missing Monroe, WA boys sitting on a sidewalk. http://bit.ly/2i7LG (some exclusive she will have!)

Thanks pink angel.

That is such a relief!

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 01:11:46 PM
by Northern Rose
Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 02:00:32 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Agreed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.



 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 02:38:35 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.




sherip

The great moderation of the Scared Monkeys forum regarding "respectfully agreeing to disagree" allows for an environment where all sides of an issue can flourish.

It is not necessary that we are all on the same page regarding an issue.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
The only way that someone could contact LE and the FBI (when the FBI still had an active presence in McCleary) was through the phone number published.  At least, that's what was known at the time.  The phone number went to a dispatcher. 

I do know that someone called to strongly urge LE and FBI to look or relook at several people who appeared to be connected to this case, whether by design or innocently.  WW was one of them.  This was 10 days to 2 weeks ago. 

I hope that others, especially those who live in and around these areas of interest, contact LE with tips or even intuitions.  If I was a person of interest, I would put a welcome banner outside my home, just so LE could come in, talk to me, follow me or whatever.  Then they could move on to a more promising prospect.  Wouldn't you?  I get the feeling that there ARE folks on this board who are either talking directly with LE or talking indirectly through another. 

I can't even allow myself to think what constantly tries to wangle into my consciousness about all these missing children.  It's so heartbreaking. 

I, too, laud all for their undying effort and committment.

Blessings,
Kim   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20066602/detail.html

(http://www.kirotv.com/2009/0706/19971475_240X135.jpg)


Parents Of Missing McCleary Girl Hoping For Public's Help
Posted: 4:06 pm PDT July 15, 2009
Updated: 4:14 pm PDT July 15, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Nearly three weeks after an 11-year-old girl disappeared in McCleary, the girl's parents continue to ask the public for any information on their daughter's whereabouts.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"I still feel in my heart she's alive. But every day that goes by is just agony," said Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.

Though the official search has ended in McCleary, the investigation into Lindsey's disappearance continues.

In an effort to find out what happened to their daughter, Lindsey's family created two new Web sites: http://lindseybaum.com/ and http://findlindseybaum.com/. Both sites have photos of Lindsey and links to detectives working the case.

In an interview with KIRO 7, Lindsey's parents expressed frustration with the state's Amber Alert system. They said no alert was issued because Lindsey's disappearance offered no known suspect or vehicle.

The Baums said they want the strict regulations governing Amber Alerts to change. Investigators in the case agree.

"We realize in the law enforcement community that the Amber Alert system as it exists may need some tweaking," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Meanwhile, Lindsey's parents are still hoping to find any clue as to where Lindsey went as her birthday passed last week.

"It was agonizing to sit at the house just waiting for word, hoping she'd come home that day so we could celebrate," said Lindsey's father, Scott Baum.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance is asked to call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:08:26 PM
The only way that someone could contact LE and the FBI (when the FBI still had an active presence in McCleary) was through the phone number published.  At least, that's what was known at the time.  The phone number went to a dispatcher. 

I do know that someone called to strongly urge LE and FBI to look or relook at several people who appeared to be connected to this case, whether by design or innocently.  WW was one of them.  This was 10 days to 2 weeks ago. 

I hope that others, especially those who live in and around these areas of interest, contact LE with tips or even intuitions.  If I was a person of interest, I would put a welcome banner outside my home, just so LE could come in, talk to me, follow me or whatever.  Then they could move on to a more promising prospect.  Wouldn't you?   I get the feeling that there ARE folks on this board who are either talking directly with LE or talking indirectly through another. 

I can't even allow myself to think what constantly tries to wangle into my consciousness about all these missing children.  It's so heartbreaking. 

I, too, laud all for their undying effort and committment.

Blessings,
Kim   

Thank you Kim.

Janet





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
CBS - The Early Show - July 13, 2009

Video:
The search continues for an 11-year-old Wash. girl who disappeared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml

++++++++

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!

Melissa Baum's words to Julie Chen (The Early Show) imply that her daughter left the Kampen/William's residence at approximately 10:00 PM not ... 9:15 PM.

Melissa claimed that her concern when Lindsey had not arrived home by her curfew prompted a call to Kara Kampen who informed her that Lindsey had left her residence 30 minutes earlier.  Kara's own words on this forum implied that the call from Melissa was received at approximately 10:25 PM

  ::MonkeyConfused::

I believe that Kara Kampen and Melissa Baum should be requestioned in regards to the timeline.

Janet

++++++

09:15 PM - Lindsey leaves the Kampen/Williams's residence.
09:30 PM - Lindsey is observed by a neighbour on Maple Street ... two blocks from home.
10:25 PM - Melissa Baum contacts Kara Kampen.
______

9:15 PM

KARA KAMPEN

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


9:15 PM

SCOTT WILLIAMS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


9:30 PM

UNDERSHERIFF RICK SCOTT

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


10:25 PM

KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:37:32 PM
POLYGRAPHS AND PROPERTY/RESIDENCE SEARCHES

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1461 on: July 07, 2009, 12:27:39 AM »


I don't believe any search warrants were issued that I am aware of. Within hours the police searched both my and the Baum residences and then the FBI and Sheriff's dept. did as well. We authorized access as did Melissa Baum so I don't think they needed to get warrants. They also searched the property around both of our homes with teams, agents and dogs nearly if not daily up until 2 days ago I believe it was. The only property obtained from the my home after search were the computers and those were volunteered so I don't think they needed to file paperwork.

I am not sure about any other homes except for those of my neighbors that were searched and I was outside so I know those were both voluntary as well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867561;topicseen#msg867561


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865572;topicseen#msg865572


KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:44:50 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people  and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.



FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 06:12:14 PM
Hi Kara

Who were the "witness" referred to in the following article?

Thanks

Janet

++++++

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 06:18:25 PM
If the neighbour's observation is credible ... the implication is that Lindsey Baum went missing within five minutes of arriving home.  Lindsey was only two blocks from her home at the time she was observed walking on Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Think about it.

NOBODY other than Kara Kampen and Scott Williams had any knowledge where Lindsey would be in that short timeframe.  Scott Williams has taken and passed a polygraph.  Melissa Baum has taken and passed a polygraph.

If Lindsey was abducted ... the short timeframe dictates that it would have been a crime of opportunity ... not a plan.

However ... the silence ... encompassing both Josh Baum and Wayne Watne ... is deafening.

Janet

++++++

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM

I am not accusing Josh Baum of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying dynamics encompassing the brother/sister relationship … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest who may have connected with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument?

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html

Credit: Northern Rose


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »


Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)
Credit: doubledecker


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Here are a few things:

1)No - Josh was not in the boy scouts and WW is not to any ones knowledge someone who goes to the Elma church.

2) 3 Missing boys ages 8-10-11 Have been found apparently they got lost. 

3) At the time of the vigil WW was not clean shaven.

4) Time Lines - They can requestion all they want it still is not going to change. Logically unless we were all staring at a clock there are going to be differences. No ones time line is actually accurate save for the actual time of the phone calls. I say she left around 9:15 my old man says it was closer to 9:30 an eye witness who lives on my street says she saw her heading home between 9:20 and 9:45. I spoke with Melissa at 10:25 and at that time told her that Lindsey had left 30 to 40 minutes earlier so she is telling exactly what she heard.
Police are looking for anyone who was in the area or out between 9pm and 10pm which I imagine is due to the 15 to 20 minute differences between every ones personal account of that night.  - Quite honestly though for those trying to set up a time line my account is probably the least accurate (save for the phone call) as I was working and know that time can slip by while I am doing that.

5) Still have not heard anything about the missing girl in Elma - did anyone ever get a name for her?

6)
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However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

- I agree with this completely and fully understand that I am one of those people.

7)
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I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent

- I think many understand this feeling and regarding WW there is a huge chance that he is just a genuinely nice guy and if that is the case then I believe he would fully understand why people need to dissect a persons life in order to eliminate them as a  possibility. - After all like was said the important issue is a child is missing - for those of us involved that means taking suspicion laid on each one of us like a champ if that is what it takes to bring any child home.

8) I know I missed questions that were asked the other day and I will really try to find those and get to them in the meantime keep doing what you are doing. You guys are coming up with ideas and possibilities left and right and this is not only beneficial to LE but also to Lindsey's family.







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
Hi Kara

Who were the "witness" referred to in the following article?

Thanks

Janet

++++++

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


When I read it I believed that they were actually talking about me and Scott. I did not think that they were referring to one of the actual "witnesses" because their time line was after 9:15 and I am the only one who claimed she left at that time. I could be wrong there but that is what my original assumption was.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 07:32:35 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .


I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 07:36:16 PM
Do you have a clue as to the addresses of which houses were "possibly" not searched?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?

Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

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madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .

I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr

Lindsey Baum claimed on the Early Show to Julie Chen that the Maple Street walk between would have taken less than 10 minutes.  Considering the witness's observation of Lindsey at Fifth Street and Maple Street at approximately 9:30 PM on her drive to work ... the implication would be that she left your home prior to 9:30 PM.

How long does it take to walk from your home to Fifth Street and Maple?

When the witness's observation is considered ... the homes between Fifth Street and home should be considered suspect.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 07:55:38 PM
Thanks Kara for answering our questions.

1)Did Lindsey attend girlscouts in McCleary or in another town?

2)Was Josh or Lindsey involved in any church/youth groups in McCleary or other towns?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .


I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr
Kara,I also read that the BeeHive retirement home has a few empty/abandoned apartments that were not checked.
Is there any way we could get a list of addys from the houses that were not checked or could you or Melissa ask Sheriff Scott or whoever is in charge WHY these places were not checked?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 08:01:14 PM
Has Lindsey ever run away before?Even for a few hours or overnight?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 08:21:49 PM

<snipped>

I think many understand this feeling and regarding WW there is a huge chance that he is just a genuinely nice guy and if that is the case then I believe he would fully understand why people need to dissect a persons life in order to eliminate them as a  possibility. - After all like was said the important issue is a child is missing - for those of us involved that means taking suspicion laid on each one of us like a champ if that is what it takes to bring any child home.


Kara

I also believe that Wayne Watne has nothing to do with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.  However ... considering the location of where he resides in relation to the Baum residence as well as his connectin to both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (church) ... LE must initially consider him a person of interest until otherwise ruled.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
Janet, I think you are so right.  Everyone, everything, everyplace is suspect.  For a child to simply disappear, as in vanish, I really just don't know.  I know we all wish we could figure this out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 11:23:02 PM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2009, 12:21:02 AM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.

Pink Angel

It is 9:16 PM PT ... a three hour drive from Seattle and ... the sun has set.  In 30 minutes ... dark will have settled in.

Seattle, Washington
The solstice in Seattle experiences a sunrise at 5:11 a.m. and sunset at 9:10 p.m. The earliest sunrise of 5:10 a.m. lasts from June 13-18. The maximum sunset of 9:10 p.m. lasts from June 20 through July 2.
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/longestday.htm

There is no way that a 10 year old girl should be walking five blocks on her own day or night.

Lindsey was defenceless.  I am angry.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:47:06 AM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.

Pink Angel

It is 9:16 PM PT ... a three hour drive from Seattle and ... the sun has set.  In 30 minutes ... dark will have settled in.

Seattle, Washington
The solstice in Seattle experiences a sunrise at 5:11 a.m. and sunset at 9:10 p.m. The earliest sunrise of 5:10 a.m. lasts from June 13-18. The maximum sunset of 9:10 p.m. lasts from June 20 through July 2.
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/longestday.htm

There is no way that a 10 year old girl should be walking five blocks on her own day or night.

Lindsey was defenceless.  I am angry.

Janet

I agree with you, hon.

I am angry, sad, and scared to death for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 17, 2009, 12:54:12 AM
DD, sorry -- I made a mistake, I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 01:46:23 AM
I took video with my phone a week and 2 days after Lindsey disappeared at the shell station. It was dark and I had to have my headlights on. Your right she was defencless. It is sad because every night when I tell my 9 year old its time to come in I think of Lindsey and how she should have had that same parental guidance. It just breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 17, 2009, 07:10:17 AM
KR - They would not tell us who has or has not been searched. We have seriously gotten little more then the following three phrases "We'll look into that", "nothing new" and "this is unrelated to Lindsey's disappearance..."

The beehive may have been checked after JVK from WS went over there but I don't even know that for sure. We've honestly seen little of them (LE).


Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?



1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.

2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

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Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

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I can't say anything about that except that at the time Lindsey left it was still light outside- actually it was about as light as the pics JVK posted. I am not the only one who keeps saying or has said that either, there is also the police who had no reason to lie about it, Melissa Baum, other residents and even "McCleary" (username) on web sleuths as well as others on the WS forums. If you've seen the pics over there you know at 9 it was still pretty light out.  10:15 was a different story though at that time it was dark. You would expect as we did that approximately a 7 minute walk would easily get her home before then. It is really not unusual to see good amount of light for a good hour or so after the sun starts to set which was around 9:15 or 9:20 or so this time of year. But then again today it was getting dark here by about 9pm.  Not to mention yet again that Lindsey is terrified of the dark and would have never walked out of my home alone if it would have been at all what she even considered dark - even if I would have told her to - she still would have asked to call her mom or asked for a ride home.

Stating that there was a lack of urgency really in my eyes is just your opinion and one that I suspect comes from the fact that you did not know Lindsey or Melissa but I have to respectfully disagree with that opinion- Here is a bit of background:

Lindsey was known to not always answer her phone and on more then one occasion try to talk someone into letting her stay over and notifying her mom was not a top priority so MB would find out when she showed up at ours or others homes looking for Lindsey or when she was calling around. She had every reason to suspect that Lindsey was actually inside a friends house which is exactly what I thought as well - knowing Lindsey.

- I know when I talked to Melissa she was very concerned and they were already out looking and were still calling around to Lindsey's friends homes. You don't know Lindsey though or her habits as her mother does. She was never outside after dark wandering around or walking the streets and if it was starting to get dark she always had someone with her and was on her way indoors. She never once left this house nor her mom's to my knowledge when it was dark out because she was terrified of the dark. If she stayed over here a little too late and it was dark outside or just in general if it was even evening and neither one of the girls were staying the night at each others houses she called her mom and she almost always came and picked her up (always if it was dark usually any other time) until their car broke down and after that before it got dark her bro would often show up to see if she was still here and walk home with her or my 3 oldest kids would walk her or sometimes she walked by herself (only if it was light out) but only once (without adult supervision) have I witnessed her outside after it was dark and at that time she was headed too my house and there were 3 of them together and they had to back track to a friends for something that was left behind otherwise they would have been here before dark. - Even then it was not even what I'd have considered dark - more dusky and my kids had their phone on them.

I understand that a lot of things to some seem "hinky" and that is fine when a person reads something in print and you get little snip-its fed to you here or there and that is combined with personal opinion and it is about something as important as a missing child which immediately fills you with a sense of fear and suspicion, to me that is to be expected and not something I'd ever look down on someone for nor would I want anyone to look down on me for it but you have to understand that every situation including this one there are things that affect situations that can only be understood if you actually know the individual(s) the behaviors and the place even.

Now this is not to try and sway any opinions because everyone forms their own based on their own facts or judgments nor is it to be defensive in any way or anything but I see so many opinions (not just here - everywhere- but here seems to be the best place to share them without major attack) that I really just have to put mine out there as well. --Seriously as much as many would like to portray MB as a bad or neglectful mom - she was not. MB tried damn hard to give her kids everything that they needed and then most of what they wanted while still being parental - (and I really am not concerned with  what a friend of a friend says because we all know how that goes - its only as good as the side of the story that wasn't told), she worked hard, raised her kids alone for several years and did the best that she could with the circumstances that she was dealt (as many of us have). She had rules and such with her kids but she couldn't always enforce those because she had to work and with some things in life there is only so much you have control over. She took her kids to the park, to the beach, the movies, got them phones to help keep an eye on them, sold girl scout cookies, had family night, showed up for parent-teacher conferences, called her kids' friends and drove to their houses if Lindsey didn't check in, put them into sports etc and like every other mom out there - she wasn't perfect - I think at times like these many forget that no one is perfect and I've met great moms but I've never met one that was perfect or even close for that matter.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
You are correct, I know when my kids were young I was not perfect. I look back and think why did I do this or that, I certainly didn't think my actions at the time would have caused something bad to happen. And even if a parent watches everything, or at least thinks they do, sometimes bad things happen. I would never want to be a parent whose child goes missing and or murdered, the guilt that one must put themselves through must be horrendous. I guess for myself to try and make sense about things, I just have to tell myself that everything happens for a reason. Little consolation for a family who has a missing or murdered love one. I do hope that Lindsey's mother is getting some kind of care under a doctor, anything to help with what she is going through.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 17, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
KaraK, I totally agree with you.  In retrospect, a lot of things would be different.  However, the reality is what it is and we need to look forward looking for Lindsey and not beating the dead horse about the time and how light out it was or wasn't and if she was my child/grandchild it would never have happened.  We need to be searching and not being so IMO judgmental about what "I" would have done differently.  We all learn from one another, but to keep bringing it up ad nausem is to me cruel.  Are we all angry?  Sure, a beautiful child has gone missing.  Unless the issues of "time" and "light" have some direct meaning or path to find her, and not simply out there for the "how could they?" . . .  IMO, if folks would spend as much energy and time in doing some research and/or praying, possibly we could move forward in finding Lindsey.  But hey, that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 17, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
DD, I came to help, so please let me know if there is anything you need in research. I highly doubt I could do as well as you, but I do find some weird things sometimes  ::MonkeyCool:: So sad once again here we are in the state of Washington.
My heart goes out to helping finding Lindsey and always in the justice for Sandra as well. I still find times when tears flow because of all of this. Anyways, I hope all is well for everyone. DD get at me when you can.. I wish I could have helped you in the beginning but i have so much going on here at home...But I can help now...I have been briefing the threads to get a feel of the case and will continue.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

~Love~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
Girl Escapes Luring In Olympia
Posted: 1:55 pm PDT July 16, 2009
Updated: 5:05 pm PDT July 16, 2009

A 14-year-old girl was approached by three men in the area of Capitol Boulevard and Dennis Street in Olympia, Tumwater police said.

“As the girl was walking on the street three men in an older, small, black pickup with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate approached her,” said police.

Two of the men left the pickup and proceeded to follow the girl. One of the men called out to the girl, “Hey pretty lady.” After she saw she was being followed and that the men were talking to her, she ran away. The men chased her for a short time before getting back in the pickup and leaving, Tumwater police said.

The girl described two of the men as white, about 18 years old, medium build, wearing large white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans, but was unable to see the driver.

Anyone with information on the vehicle contact the Tumwater Police Department.

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20078656/detail.html



Police: Is Tumwater luring linked to McCleary case?
Story Published: Jul 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM PDT

Story Updated: Jul 17, 2009 at 9:34 AM PDT
By Shomari Stone

TUMWATER, Wash. - Police are investigating whether the attempted abduction of a girl in Tumwater on Wednesday is linked to last month's highly publicized disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum in McCleary.

Officials say three men tried to kidnap the 14-year-old girl in broad daylight on Wednesday as she was walking along a busy street, but the girl was able to escape by running away.

The close call left the girl very shaken, and now detectives are comparing the similarities between her experience and Lindsey Baum's unexplained disappearance June 26 in McCleary, about 22 miles away.

"We investigate because child lurings aren't as common as most crimes, and when you have two communities that are so close together and the circumstances where obviously it occurred in public areas. And the girls are approximately the same age," says Detective Jen Kolb of the Tumwater Police Department.

The Tumwater girl, whose name is being withheld, says she was walking along Capitol Boulevard to her mother's place of work when the three men jumped out of a black pickup.

They were yelling, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" then came after her, she says.

The girl started running, and the men chased after her. But soon after they gave up the chase, ran back to the pickup and drove off.

The experience left the girl scared, alone and distraught. So she ran to her mother's place of work and breathlessly told her what had happened.

"She was very scared, shaken - didn't know what to think or what to do," says her mother.

The girl now says she believes the men wanted to hurt her.

"In a way, yeah. ... Just the way they were talking to me and trying to come to me," she says.

Kolb said she finds the case "very disturbing" and is struck by the parallels to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Investigators want anyone with information to call the Tumwater Police Department at (360) 754-4200.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:48:18 PM
TUMWATER: Girl describes men she says tried to lure her
THE OLYMPIAN
Published: 07/17/09

A 14-year-old girl said three men attempted to lure her about 4:30 p.m. Wednesday as she walked in the area of Capitol Boulevard and Dennis Street.

She said a pickup carrying three men pulled over, and two got out and approached her. One called out to her. When she saw they were following her, she ran away, she said.

She said the men briefly chased her before getting back in the truck and leaving.

The vehicle is described as an older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate. The girl did not get a good look at the driver, but she described the men who chased her as white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall, of medium build, and wearing baseball caps sideways. Both were wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/813342.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 17, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
No description of the men ? No drawings ? No lic plate number ? Any Detectives out looking at local surveillance videos trying to identify them ?

She is one luck 14 yer old..

But I have 14 attempted abductions of young girls recorded from San Diego to Los Angeles in 4 month time period in the Dubois case by largely Hispanic males ..
This is getting out of control..

This is the kind of thing that only vigilant good men and a baseball bat can solve.
The police never seem to catch these guys..

The one case that bugs me the most in Los Angeles area was the Hispanic male who tied a tie wrap around the girls neck which was choking her to death and he was stuffing her in his trunk of his car when her brother jumped on the guy..

The attacker was able to take the aggression of the brothers attack and stayed Emotionless while he got back in his car and drove away.. complete description and drawings and still the police have not found him or at least I have not found a news article that say they did.
This guy was witnessed...
The lack of emotion thing is showing up in various cases.. What is that ? Are they on drugs ? I can show you case after case where this emotionless ..almost trance like state of attackers in broad day light..
Something is up..

But these arrogant attackers like this 14 year old ran into are growing in numbers and parents need to keep there hands on there children until they are 45.. What kind of America are WE allowing to exist ?  These men have no fear.   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 17, 2009, 01:09:27 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 01:38:06 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


Young teens and they hey pretty lady comment make it sounds like a couple of guys hitting on a young girl and perhaps taking it too far. I read on another board that this is a VERY busy area, especially at 4:30 pm and there should have been ton of witnesses. This wasn't a small 1500 person town, small town, at sundown kind of thing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 17, 2009, 03:54:49 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


It's possible it could be gang related.  I've read of cases where part of a gang initiation is to rape girls, sometimes they don't survive to tell about it. 

It's a whole different world than when I was growing up.  Scary as hell.   I also think so much of this is happening because they seem to be getting away with it.  There are RSO's living in our neighborhoods that should not be out of jail but the system does not know what to do with them.  We need new & better laws for this kind of thing.  Our children, especially our daughters are not safe and it should not be that way.  You can't let your child out of your site for 5 minutes for fear she will disappear.  It is a sad world when a person isn't say in their own backyard.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 04:48:03 PM

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

----------------

I meant to add a paragraph here about how our president and congress can vote to send millions and millions to foreign countries for aide, spend billions and billions to bail out banks and car companies but can't spend millions to protect our most precious resources...our children, our future....it makes me sick and it makes me ANGRY!!!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.  

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Pink Angel

I agree 100% except ... in Tamikosmom's world there would never be a second chance for any adult who sexually abuses a child when it is considered the victim is forced to deal with the after-effects of a predator's selfish sick desires for a lifetime.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.  

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Pink Angel

I agree 100% except ... in Tamikosmom's world there would never be a second chance for any adult who sexually abuses a child when it is considered the victim is forced to deal with the after-effects of a predator's selfish sick desires for a lifetime.

Janet




I agree in a perfect world, Janet.

We don't live in a perfect world though and people that hurt our children are being given TOO many chances by our screwed up system. So many lawmakers are all about "rehabilitation and treatment" for these monsters. Which is a bunch of CRAP!

If we have to give them a chance, let them have one. That's IT.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 17, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
this case is so frustrating...i cannot believe that nothing has been found yet...i hope that the residents of mccleary and the surrounding areas are paying very close attention to any strange behavior by neighbors, family, and friends. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
KR - They would not tell us who has or has not been searched. We have seriously gotten little more then the following three phrases "We'll look into that", "nothing new" and "this is unrelated to Lindsey's disappearance..."

The beehive may have been checked after JVK from WS went over there but I don't even know that for sure. We've honestly seen little of them (LE).


Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?



1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.

2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

Quote
Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

+++++++


I can't say anything about that except that at the time Lindsey left it was still light outside- actually it was about as light as the pics JVK posted. I am not the only one who keeps saying or has said that either, there is also the police who had no reason to lie about it, Melissa Baum, other residents and even "McCleary" (username) on web sleuths as well as others on the WS forums. If you've seen the pics over there you know at 9 it was still pretty light out.  10:15 was a different story though at that time it was dark. You would expect as we did that approximately a 7 minute walk would easily get her home before then. It is really not unusual to see good amount of light for a good hour or so after the sun starts to set which was around 9:15 or 9:20 or so this time of year. But then again today it was getting dark here by about 9pm.  Not to mention yet again that Lindsey is terrified of the dark and would have never walked out of my home alone if it would have been at all what she even considered dark - even if I would have told her to - she still would have asked to call her mom or asked for a ride home.

Stating that there was a lack of urgency really in my eyes is just your opinion and one that I suspect comes from the fact that you did not know Lindsey or Melissa but I have to respectfully disagree with that opinion- Here is a bit of background:

Lindsey was known to not always answer her phone and on more then one occasion try to talk someone into letting her stay over and notifying her mom was not a top priority so MB would find out when she showed up at ours or others homes looking for Lindsey or when she was calling around. She had every reason to suspect that Lindsey was actually inside a friends house which is exactly what I thought as well - knowing Lindsey.

- I know when I talked to Melissa she was very concerned and they were already out looking and were still calling around to Lindsey's friends homes. You don't know Lindsey though or her habits as her mother does. She was never outside after dark wandering around or walking the streets and if it was starting to get dark she always had someone with her and was on her way indoors. She never once left this house nor her mom's to my knowledge when it was dark out because she was terrified of the dark. If she stayed over here a little too late and it was dark outside or just in general if it was even evening and neither one of the girls were staying the night at each others houses she called her mom and she almost always came and picked her up (always if it was dark usually any other time) until their car broke down and after that before it got dark her bro would often show up to see if she was still here and walk home with her or my 3 oldest kids would walk her or sometimes she walked by herself (only if it was light out) but only once (without adult supervision) have I witnessed her outside after it was dark and at that time she was headed too my house and there were 3 of them together and they had to back track to a friends for something that was left behind otherwise they would have been here before dark. - Even then it was not even what I'd have considered dark - more dusky and my kids had their phone on them.

I understand that a lot of things to some seem "hinky" and that is fine when a person reads something in print and you get little snip-its fed to you here or there and that is combined with personal opinion and it is about something as important as a missing child which immediately fills you with a sense of fear and suspicion, to me that is to be expected and not something I'd ever look down on someone for nor would I want anyone to look down on me for it but you have to understand that every situation including this one there are things that affect situations that can only be understood if you actually know the individual(s) the behaviors and the place even.

Now this is not to try and sway any opinions because everyone forms their own based on their own facts or judgments nor is it to be defensive in any way or anything but I see so many opinions (not just here - everywhere- but here seems to be the best place to share them without major attack) that I really just have to put mine out there as well. --Seriously as much as many would like to portray MB as a bad or neglectful mom - she was not. MB tried damn hard to give her kids everything that they needed and then most of what they wanted while still being parental - (and I really am not concerned with  what a friend of a friend says because we all know how that goes - its only as good as the side of the story that wasn't told), she worked hard, raised her kids alone for several years and did the best that she could with the circumstances that she was dealt (as many of us have). She had rules and such with her kids but she couldn't always enforce those because she had to work and with some things in life there is only so much you have control over. She took her kids to the park, to the beach, the movies, got them phones to help keep an eye on them, sold girl scout cookies, had family night, showed up for parent-teacher conferences, called her kids' friends and drove to their houses if Lindsey didn't check in, put them into sports etc and like every other mom out there - she wasn't perfect - I think at times like these many forget that no one is perfect and I've met great moms but I've never met one that was perfect or even close for that matter.

KARAK I just want to say I'm sorry if my post about parental guidance made you feel I was criticizing MB. I did not intend it to. I will tell you what I was actually feeling. I was thinking how sad it is when a little girl has to disappear for you to realize you should keep an eye on your children a little closer. That is what I was telling myself at the time about my parenting skills. I am not meaning to bash MB. I feel it could happen to any one of our children, day or night . It could be me in her place as i have and continue to make mistakes. It only takes a second. My family's thoughts and prayers are with her  and her family. When I think of her pain i cant imagine how crushed she is.  I am sorry for implying she did not supervise her children enough.  Its not what I meant.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 17, 2009, 11:20:31 PM
while we debate who is a "good" person or a "bad" person, Lindsey is still missing...everyone is involved until proved otherwise...we are not a court of law...
it's a court of public opinion........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
Hey mamacrazy,
We know this! Everyone is doing all they can possible think of to help.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 18, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


That's a great list....I'm tired of repeat offenders....These people do not get rehabilitated..I agree with you that these laws need to be enforced and there should be harsher penalties for these scumbags.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 18, 2009, 12:05:46 AM

I meant to add a paragraph here about how our president and congress can vote to send millions and millions to foreign countries for aide, spend billions and billions to bail out banks and car companies but can't spend millions to protect our most precious resources...our children, our future....it makes me sick and it makes me ANGRY!!!


I hear ya....Girl, don't even get me started on what I think of our current administration.  I'm so ANGRY I could spit nails.   :smt097    They don't care about the people of this country PERIOD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 18, 2009, 12:31:48 AM
If the neighbour's observation is credible ... the implication is that Lindsey Baum went missing within five minutes of arriving home.  Lindsey was only two blocks from her home at the time she was observed walking on Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Think about it.

NOBODY other than Kara Kampen and Scott Williams had any knowledge where Lindsey would be in that short timeframe.  Scott Williams has taken and passed a polygraph.  Melissa Baum has taken and passed a polygraph.

If Lindsey was abducted ... the short timeframe dictates that it would have been a crime of opportunity ... not a plan.

However ... the silence ... encompassing both Josh Baum and Wayne Watne ... is deafening.

Janet

++++++

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM

I am not accusing Josh Baum of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying dynamics encompassing the brother/sister relationship … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest who may have connected with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument?

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html

Credit: Northern Rose


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »


Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)
Credit: doubledecker


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


When I read all of this it made me ill, I dont like any of this... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 18, 2009, 01:03:12 AM
Tamiksomom..
Logic Dictates.. Nice job on that compilation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 18, 2009, 01:41:35 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 18, 2009, 10:07:43 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html
I have been wondering about this myself, but I really think that Lindsey knew the person, but anything is possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html
I have been wondering about this myself, but I really think that Lindsey knew the person, but anything is possible.

... and so does the FBI.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
7:55 AM PT

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 18, 2009, 04:10:56 PM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB

Lighting a candle and saying a prayer for Lindsey to come home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
LINDSEY BAUM
MISSING FROM McCLEARY WASHINGTON


http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 18, 2009, 09:44:53 PM
Hey mamacrazy,
We know this! Everyone is doing all they can possible think of to help.
i wasn't trying to be snippy and i'm sorry....my point was we are on Lindsey's side...no one else....when she is found is when we can apologize to whomever for whatever....it's about Lindsey now. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
I pray that the silence in the media in regards to the Lindsey Baum case does not imply the case is being allowed to go cold.  Hopefully, stuff is going on behind the scenes that will provide the truth encompassing the events that took place within the last two blocks of of this little girl's journey home.

Janet
8:30 PM PT




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 19, 2009, 05:32:43 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 06:16:33 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
No, I have not very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 19, 2009, 06:22:45 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?

Hi Sunshine, could you tell us where you heard or read about this please...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
No, I have not very interesting.

I was looking around at various news places and I haven't seen anything so far.  I really hope Lindsey will be found soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

Thank you no rose.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 19, 2009, 06:56:34 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

thankyou NRCG...
I hope they find something that will lead to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 06:59:19 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 07:42:31 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 07:58:01 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:13:26 PM
This is a different girlfriend of Lindseys, whose father supposedly was fired from his job, he worked at ORV and his computer was taken by LE.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



I think I confused you.  They are not searching at the house, but at the RR tracks that are about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:15:28 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:15:35 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



I think I confused you.  They are not searching at the house, but at the RR tracks that are about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.
Yes,just read that at WS...posted by Gailine who is a local I believe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:17:23 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:23:38 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?[/color]

Karma

I would appreciate reading it.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?

I don't know...lets ask a mod.....HELLO>>>>MOD!!!  KLAAS!!!  Anyone...can we do this??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:25:37 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:28:03 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Never mind, I reported Janet!   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::  Just trying to get their attention...sorry Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2009, 08:31:53 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:32:51 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?
It is good info, I wasn't sure what to do, but it is very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:33:16 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Never mind, I reported Janet!   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::  Just trying to get their attention...sorry Janet
LOL!!!!    ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:47:04 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6

WS was discussing with some locals about the ORV park and how the caretaker at the park was fired last week,police supposedly took his puter and there being a search going on at the park.


From Scandi at WS:

HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story


A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. {She would have no reason to lie IMO, as the call to her was out of the blue!}

She proceeded to tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

Fonda also told me she had heard the dogs were out again this morning in McCleary.

Her last words to me were so heartfelt. She said the people in town are saying there is something about this case that they can't put their finger on. There will be a burst of activity and then it seems like nothing is happening in the case. Then all of a sudden another burst of activity. They think that something is about to happen, just a communal feeling I guess, and then she said she believes they are out in the C Forest searching today from a tip they received.

We talked about Lindsey and she said you might not hear much about her or what is going on in the investigation if you're walking down the street. But the people who live here are keeping the case alive, talking between themselves and though it might not look good, they all hope she is found soon and that she is still alive.

I brought up the helicopters flying south of Hwy 8 in the middle of the night last week and she said everyone thought that was so strange as it is an uncommon occurance the way it was done, at least that is what the talk of the town is.

Back to Allen, his departure or firing was sudden and without fanfare. She said he was just taken off the job with nothing said to anyone who works there except they will be hiring a new caretaker for the ORV Park. xox

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:47:56 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:49:43 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::
LOL...thank you AZSunny....I was    ::MonkeyLaugh::
at you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whoops....busted!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
STRADDLELINE ORV PARK

New push on to find missing McCleary girl
Story Published: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM


Lindsey was last seen at the corner of 6th and Maple heading home from her friend's house at about 9:15 p.m last Friday.

Detectives will be out in force at that same day and time this week to see who's around - and who may have been passing through town last Friday night.

They're willing to do anything to help kick loose a lead.

Fonda Voss is making sure visitors to nearby Straddleline ORV park are being reminded about Lindsey's disappearance. It's a big travel destination and one of the entrances to the Capitol Forest.

"The trails are very big. The Capitol Forest is 80,000 acres. Just keeping people aware when they're out on the trail to just keep their eyes open. It's a big area out there," she says.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..

no...my post is confusing.  They are searching about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.  Not where she was last seen,.  sorry...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.
i mis read
Quote
WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.
i got confused and didn't understand ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:59:05 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I hope she does not ban me.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.
i mis read
Quote
WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, (which is the house where her girl friend lived.)
i got confused and didn't understand ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I hope she does not ban me.

Janet

It was a little bit funny!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 09:01:10 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::
Me too, now if I understand this right this man has a daughter who is friends with Lindsey. They are using a name of this person, but I'm not sure if it is the correct person, so that is why I didn't want to say his name, also because they put up an arrest on him, I think for some kind of domestic disturbance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..

no...my post is confusing.  They are searching about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.  Not where she was last seen,.  sorry...
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:04:59 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6

WS was discussing with some locals about the ORV park and how the caretaker at the park was fired last week,police supposedly took his puter and there being a search going on at the park.


From Scandi at WS:

HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story


A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. {She would have no reason to lie IMO, as the call to her was out of the blue!}

She proceeded to tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

Fonda also told me she had heard the dogs were out again this morning in McCleary.

Her last words to me were so heartfelt. She said the people in town are saying there is something about this case that they can't put their finger on. There will be a burst of activity and then it seems like nothing is happening in the case. Then all of a sudden another burst of activity. They think that something is about to happen, just a communal feeling I guess, and then she said she believes they are out in the C Forest searching today from a tip they received.

We talked about Lindsey and she said you might not hear much about her or what is going on in the investigation if you're walking down the street. But the people who live here are keeping the case alive, talking between themselves and though it might not look good, they all hope she is found soon and that she is still alive.

I brought up the helicopters flying south of Hwy 8 in the middle of the night last week and she said everyone thought that was so strange as it is an uncommon occurance the way it was done, at least that is what the talk of the town is.

Back to Allen, his departure or firing was sudden and without fanfare. She said he was just taken off the job with nothing said to anyone who works there except they will be hiring a new caretaker for the ORV Park. xox

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http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6



I just want to give credit for these tips to all those involved.
This call to Fonda Voss came about from a tip from SeventeenSeconds at WS.She is a local and told us what her hubby was hearing around town(he works in McCleary),that prompted Scandi to make that call.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Karma,  it sounds like there were two searches today, one at the RR tracks and the second at the ORV park.  Is that what you are reading??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:10:07 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::
Me too, now if I understand this right this man has a daughter who is friends with Lindsey. They are using a name of this person, but I'm not sure if it is the correct person, so that is why I didn't want to say his name, also because they put up an arrest on him, I think for some kind of domestic disturbance.
I read his first name is Allen but haven't read far enough yet.I did read that the man fired from the park has a daughter Lindsey's age and was a friend of Lindsey's but that's as far as I got.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Karma,  it sounds like there were two searches today, one at the RR tracks and the second at the ORV park.  Is that what you are reading??
From what I'm reading there were/are 2 seaches going on.One by the railroad tracks and one in the ORV park.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 09:16:37 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:21:18 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
Yikes   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 10:51:53 PM

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??

A piece of fresh strawberry shortcake with real whipping cream is what I regard as "special".

 ::MonkeyAngel::

How ya doing AZSunny?  I have been thinking about you lately.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 10:58:49 PM


(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 11:08:05 PM

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??

A piece of fresh strawberry shortcake with real whipping cream is what I regard as "special".

 ::MonkeyAngel::

How ya doing AZSunny?  I have been thinking about you lately.

Janet

Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 11:11:36 PM
Guess, I had better sign off for a while, the winds are starting...I just wish there was rain with all this wind and dust!  Here come the sneezes again!

Issued at: 8:04 PM MST 7/19/09, expires at: 9:00 PM MST 7/19/09

The NWS in phoenix has issued a

severe thunderstorm warning for: east central maricopa county in south central Arizona, this includes the cities of, tempe, sun lakes, mesa, guadalupe, gilbert, chandler, northwestern pinal county in south central Arizona, Until 900 pm mst.
At 802 pm mst, national weather service doppler radar indicated a severe thunderstorm capable of producing damaging winds in excess of 60 mph. In addition, dense blowing dust may accompany this severe storm. This storm was located near sun lakes, and moving north at 5 mph.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 11:19:21 PM


(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!

Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Love, Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 20, 2009, 05:02:24 AM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she is still alive.

I say that because of the 2 searches we learned about today, both in McCleary and in the morning hours, one up on Larson by the RR tracks a bit north of where it is possible some evidence was found and that is not confirmed.  It's just out there for now.  Then the team of the GHC Sheriff's who together with searchers started early this morning, saying nothing but walking up into Capitol Forest from the parking area which is close to the office at the entrance.

I actually was stuck there allot of the day catching up on new posts, but came tonight to see what's up like I often do, and get some help to find a certain SO with about 5 driving related offenses, maybe DUI's.

I belong to both forums and am fine with your bringing my post over here as it was done the right way.  And I must say even tho there are the 2 sites, with many members belonging to both, the long and the short of it is about finding Lindsey.  Any time I can tickle a brain to learn more I will.  We all will.  It is what Sleuthers do.

The locals are all devoted to Lindsey's being found, and today Gailrene got us all excited about the caretaker of the ORV park having been fired about a week ago and that LE took his computer and there might be an ongoing search. Then another dear poster said, hey, someone should drive out to the ORV park and see what's up.  Since I am 2 hours away and only a minute away by phone I decided to call instead and am glad I did.  Working together is not about taking credit.  It is about trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together so they all fall into place and that hopefully leads to doing our part in trying to find whoever is missing.

I wrote that long post in stages, posting then adding more info from my notes so posters could read it as I wrote it.  So I think there is more I wrote than is posted here.  I'll see what isn't here and post it tomoz.

Who knows if this caretaker just let go is our perp.  New things are being learned which might point to someone else.  That is why I hope if anyone knows of someone with 5 or so DUI's that would have the means to be in McCleary on a Fri nite, pass it on.  It might be nothing.  It might be everything! ::MonkeyShocked::  Out of respect to other posters I can't bring their info over here and I'm sure you understand.

xox





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2009, 07:30:44 AM
Thank you Scandi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 20, 2009, 08:33:26 AM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she is still alive.

I say that because of the 2 searches we learned about today, both in McCleary and in the morning hours, one up on Larson by the RR tracks a bit north of where it is possible some evidence was found and that is not confirmed.  It's just out there for now.  Then the team of the GHC Sheriff's who together with searchers started early this morning, saying nothing but walking up into Capitol Forest from the parking area which is close to the office at the entrance.

I actually was stuck there allot of the day catching up on new posts, but came tonight to see what's up like I often do, and get some help to find a certain SO with about 5 driving related offenses, maybe DUI's.

I belong to both forums and am fine with your bringing my post over here as it was done the right way.  And I must say even tho there are the 2 sites, with many members belonging to both, the long and the short of it is about finding Lindsey.  Any time I can tickle a brain to learn more I will.  We all will.  It is what Sleuthers do.

The locals are all devoted to Lindsey's being found, and today Gailrene got us all excited about the caretaker of the ORV park having been fired about a week ago and that LE took his computer and there might be an ongoing search. Then another dear poster said, hey, someone should drive out to the ORV park and see what's up.  Since I am 2 hours away and only a minute away by phone I decided to call instead and am glad I did.  Working together is not about taking credit.  It is about trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together so they all fall into place and that hopefully leads to doing our part in trying to find whoever is missing.

I wrote that long post in stages, posting then adding more info from my notes so posters could read it as I wrote it.  So I think there is more I wrote than is posted here.  I'll see what isn't here and post it tomoz.

Who knows if this caretaker just let go is our perp.  New things are being learned which might point to someone else.  That is why I hope if anyone knows of someone with 5 or so DUI's that would have the means to be in McCleary on a Fri nite, pass it on.  It might be nothing.  It might be everything! ::MonkeyShocked::  Out of respect to other posters I can't bring their info over here and I'm sure you understand.

xox




Thank you Scandi
I did try my best to give credit to any poster on any forum because like you said,it's all about finding answers and possible leads to what happened to a missing person.I do enjoy all of your posts here and at WS.
 ps....you gonna wear that bunny suit till Easter 2010?
lol....it's waaaay too hot for that!
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 09:47:55 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:12:32 AM
Someone, anyone, give me the benefit of the doubt and do some searching and looking into the KaraK situation.  Where are they from, why, how long a resident?  We do anyone else the same way but not them, why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:13:51 AM
Originally Posted by cyberswept 
Ok guys, where to begin. First I am going to report what I was told today and how it came about. It's up to you as to whether you take it as hearsay or not. However, I believe this person for what that is worth.

My 5 year old was playing with the 5 year old next door today. His sister came over and was talking to my wife earlier and mentioned Lindsey's case. So later this evening I caught up with her and couldn't resist asking questions. Here are the details of what we talked about.

First, the person I talked to is an 11 year old schoolmate and friend of Lindsey. We'll call her Shel.

She confirmed that Lindsey goes to McCleary School with her and that she has gone there the whole time she has lived here.


Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).

So then I asked: Do they have any suspects? She said they had 1 local that is a person of interest. She didn't have a name, darn it. So then I asked if he was a SO. She said no, but he had been arrested for drunk driving 5 times. (Sound like anyone we know?)

I also asked her about the pool. Shel said the pool she was in that day was just a kiddy pool and they were all just playing and splashing. She has seen the pool. If that is the case, then chlorine would not have been an issue.

Lindsey's relationship with her father only started recently. She mentioned she hadn't seen her father in 10 years which would be pretty much her whole life. She mentioned she did get to see her father not too long ago, but whether he was here or she went there wasn't clear.

I asked if Lindsey ever talked about the ORV park, or riding motorcycles and she said she never mentioned it or knew of her being associated with that.

As of work being done off of tips, she said they have been searching peoples basements and searching the wooded areas around more. More like spot checking though. She mentioned that airplanes have been searching over the area too. Although I haven't heard but maybe one recently.

Shel has been over to Lindsey's before and gave me some interesting info on the Lindsey's brother, however, I don't know since he is a juvenile, what I can report here. She told me about his behavior and some of his threats that she has been witness too. She says the brother scares her.

She mentioned there have been reports that Lindsey was located. Once in some sewer and then another location, but they proved to be false. However, that could have triggered some LE activity and might explain some of that.

I wanted to ask her more, but felt I had gotten a lot from her and wanted to report to my websleuth friends.                ((From WS, thought this was quite interesting to say the least. Drunk driving five times, anyone know who this is? ))


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
Someone, anyone, give me the benefit of the doubt and do some searching and looking into the KaraK situation.  Where are they from, why, how long a resident?  We do anyone else the same way but not them, why?
I don't trust anyone  ::MonkeyEek::   Look at my post from WS from a local, interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:21:07 AM
Pradon me, but I have to rely on Blink and the Monkeys to do all my thinking...who has multiple DUI's?  The guy fired from the park, KaraK's man or SO mentioned before.  HELP! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:25:30 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/InmateDetail.asp?SrchNameNo=51705


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:30:02 AM
Thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:30:36 AM
Thank you.
I'm hoping someone has a picture of him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:36:42 AM
Off to work, bbl my smart friends!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 10:53:09 AM
Originally Posted by cyberswept 
Ok guys, where to begin. First I am going to report what I was told today and how it came about. It's up to you as to whether you take it as hearsay or not. However, I believe this person for what that is worth.

My 5 year old was playing with the 5 year old next door today. His sister came over and was talking to my wife earlier and mentioned Lindsey's case. So later this evening I caught up with her and couldn't resist asking questions. Here are the details of what we talked about.

First, the person I talked to is an 11 year old schoolmate and friend of Lindsey. We'll call her Shel.

She confirmed that Lindsey goes to McCleary School with her and that she has gone there the whole time she has lived here.


Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).

So then I asked: Do they have any suspects? She said they had 1 local that is a person of interest. She didn't have a name, darn it. So then I asked if he was a SO. She said no, but he had been arrested for drunk driving 5 times. (Sound like anyone we know?)

I also asked her about the pool. Shel said the pool she was in that day was just a kiddy pool and they were all just playing and splashing. She has seen the pool. If that is the case, then chlorine would not have been an issue.

Lindsey's relationship with her father only started recently. She mentioned she hadn't seen her father in 10 years which would be pretty much her whole life. She mentioned she did get to see her father not too long ago, but whether he was here or she went there wasn't clear.

I asked if Lindsey ever talked about the ORV park, or riding motorcycles and she said she never mentioned it or knew of her being associated with that.

As of work being done off of tips, she said they have been searching peoples basements and searching the wooded areas around more. More like spot checking though. She mentioned that airplanes have been searching over the area too. Although I haven't heard but maybe one recently.

Shel has been over to Lindsey's before and gave me some interesting info on the Lindsey's brother, however, I don't know since he is a juvenile, what I can report here. She told me about his behavior and some of his threats that she has been witness too. She says the brother scares her.

She mentioned there have been reports that Lindsey was located. Once in some sewer and then another location, but they proved to be false. However, that could have triggered some LE activity and might explain some of that.

I wanted to ask her more, but felt I had gotten a lot from her and wanted to report to my websleuth friends.                ((From WS, thought this was quite interesting to say the least. Drunk driving five times, anyone know who this is? ))

KaraK said she started school someplace else (Elma I think) and then started going to McCleary. She also said that until the divorce and moving that Lindsey did have a relationship with her dad.

Who knows.   ::shrugs::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 20, 2009, 11:03:26 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Just thought I would drop by before getting ready for work ::MonkeyWaa::.  I hope today is the day for finding Lindsey. And may the angels protect all the other children who will face abuse today. ::MonkeyAngel::

traci


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
That's right who knows, at this point I have no idea what is rumor or truth, just thought that was interesting what was being talked about  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:11:41 AM

Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).
----------

Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt or jacket either. Nor flip flops.

She was wearing a light blue lightweight pullover shirt that had a hood and black cloth tennis shoe slip ons.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:15:04 AM
That's right who knows, at this point I have no idea what is rumor or truth, just thought that was interesting what was being talked about  ::MonkeyConfused::

It is interesting, I agree. They could get their facts straight though, if they are going to gossip. LOL!

;)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?

LE has checked him out. He volunteered for a lie detector test and LE has said they were "comfortable" with his answers. They said the same about Lindsey's mom test.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?

In the process of elimination ... I believe that EVERYBODY known to have had a contact with Lindsey Baum in the last two hours of their lives should be a focus in the investigation in regards to a person of interest.

However ... considering the witness observation places Lindsey Baum within minutes of arriving home ... I suspect that something back happened to her withing the last two blocks of her ten minute journey home or ... something happened to her when she arrived home.

IMO

Janet

++++++++

1.  Melissa Baum and Scott Williams volunteered to take a polygraphy and ... according to Sheriff Scott ... they both passed.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

KOMO News – July 2, 2009


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


2.  A neighbour who witnessed Lindsey Baum around 9:30 PM at Sixth and Maple ... two blocks from her home ... on the night she disappeared.  This would affirm Kara Kampen and Scott William's contention that Lindsey left their home between 9:15PM and 9:30PM for her ten minute walk home.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


3.  The neighbour's observation would would affirm Kara Kampen and Scott William's contention that Lindsey left their home between 9:15PM and 9:30PM for her ten minute walk home.

Kara Kampen/Scott Williams

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Kara Kampen
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #532 on: July 16, 2009, 09:36:52 PM »


I say she left around 9:15 my old man says it was closer to 9:30 an eye witness who lives on my street says she saw her heading home between 9:20 and 9:45.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg879879#msg879879


4.  Kara Kampen contends that her Michaela watched Lindsey for a short period of time after she left on foot for home.

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

 
When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 11:50:33 AM

Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).
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Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt or jacket either. Nor flip flops.

She was wearing a light blue lightweight pullover shirt that had a hood and black cloth tennis shoe slip ons.



Endangered Missing
LINDSEY BAUM

... She was last seen leaving a friend's house on the evening of June 26, 2009. Lindsey was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1125977&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US


The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

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My understanding is that "The Daily World" now charges $5.00 for one day access to articles.










Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:01:35 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

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Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

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Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:15:50 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

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Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Morning No Rose Colored Glasses

According to Sheriff Scott ...

The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
Thanks, then I wonder where the flip flops came from? So if there was a struggle, which I personally don't believe, it would be much harder for that type of shoe to fall off.  Good Morning.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

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Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Morning No Rose Colored Glasses

According to Sheriff Scott ...

The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

However ... the Lindsey Baum website states the following ...


LINDSEY BAUM
MISSING FROM McCLEARY WASHINGTON


Lindsey was last seen leaving a friend's house on the evening of June 26, 2009.
She was wearing a hooded pullover shirt, blue jeans, and black slip on shoes.

http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 12:19:44 PM
It was explained that the media got the shirt wrong, calling it a sweatshirt because of it being a "hoodie". It was actually a lightweight pullover shirt with a hood.


Here is the new poster via http://www.lindseybaum.com
website.

(http://www.lindseybaum.com/lindseyflyer.jpg)

http://www.lindseybaum.com/lindseyflyer.jpg

direct link in case anyone wants to post it to their facebook page or other blogs etc.

http://fbook.me/lindseybaum

is the facebook page started by friends/family




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Well, there are sneakers and there are sneakers.  There are some that slip on, some that tie, some that velcro, some that tie or slip on and are backless etc.  To me, sneaker is a very general term.  JMHO  Tennis shoes, jogging shoes, trainers....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 12:25:42 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:38:06 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



This summer each my four eldest grandkids (6-11) all wear a type of slip-on clog made made of foam rubber.  Four different colors but ... no black.  Personally ... I would never refer to these shoes as "sneakers".  However ... I am often told by family members that I am "out of the loop" in regards to style.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet       


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:41:02 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



This summer each my four eldest grandkids (6-11) all wear a type of slip-on clog made made of foam rubber.  Four different colors but ... no black.  Personally ... I would never refer to these shoes as "sneakers".  However ... I am often told by family members that I am "out of the loop" in regards to style.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet       

When I think about it ... these "clogs" worn by my grandkids could be considered modified "flip flops".

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 20, 2009, 12:43:25 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she