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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: MuffyBee on July 07, 2009, 11:02:22 PM



Title: Lindsey Baum #2 7/10/09 - 7/28/09
Post by: MuffyBee on July 07, 2009, 11:02:22 PM
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LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 10, 2009, 08:18:51 PM
Thank you Ms. Nut. There is an Amber Alert that was found safe, Damian Duncan from TN.

It's Lindsey's turn to come home now!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 10, 2009, 08:59:23 PM
Thank you Ms. Nut. There is an Amber Alert that was found safe, Damian Duncan from TN.

It's Lindsey's turn to come home now!
That's good to hear, and yes it is Lindsey's turn.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 10, 2009, 09:00:26 PM
Reposting from the last thread :

THIS WAS SENT TO MY FACEBOOK PAGE, I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE BUT WANTED TO PASS THIS MESSAGE ON:
Lora Dockery sent you a message on Facebook...
Friday, July 10, 2009 4:43 PM


Re: SCARED MONKEYS

"They have a few questions they are asking and I think I can help a bit. I put in for membership 4 days ago and am still waiting for approval. They ask about empty homes in the area. I do check ups on Foreclosed homes. There are many in the area. Some unlocked with squatters. Two that I know of are on wildcat and main street. I know there are many that go unlocked at for month es. look for high grass and do not trespass papers posted in the windows. Also When I was in high School my girlfriend was kidnapped off the street at night while walking home at night. She was unfortunately murdered. The murderer was released from Prison around last year only about thirty miles from the town of mccleary. His name is Brian Peak. He lives in Hoquiam wa. I know there are a few other things I have forgotten to answer, but can not remember off the top of my head. Please ask someone to accept my membership. I have been reading the post everyday and when they have a question  I live in Elma and have lived here my whole life. I follow the peto. news in my area and know things about people who are not even listed. My kids range between the ages of 23 and 9. I know of town creeps that have tried to get my older daughter there car. There are more missing children in our area the LE is not mentioning. They have chalked them up to runaways and I'm sure some are. Just the weekend before Lindsy Baum was missing my 17 year old daughter was helping run the teen dance in Elma and there was a mother there with flyer's of her missing 13 year old daughter. She said she had no help from LE as they thought she had run away. As for LE here they tend to have a blind eye to there own. My mother has been a drug and achahol councilor here for over 30 years. There is a police officer that was convicted of rape of a child a few years back. He spent time in prison and now lives as a hermit on the hood canal. Not far from Mccleary. He is super strange!!! My mom says he is really weird. For her to single out this guy as creepy and weird in her line of work is important as she sees creeps all the time. My mother did call and give LE his name. But former LE or currant LE they do tend to turn a blind eye. I know FBI would hopefully not do the same. But I know the local LE DO!!!  My car was hit and run about 4 years ago as it was parked in front of my home. We had family movie night on Fridays. We all heard something but took us a few min. to figure it out. When I opened my door I saw my car in the neighbors yard. I went out and a lady who lives down the street was running in my direction yelling I saw it! It was a white contractors truck with tool boxes in the back. He just backed up put in and drive and sped off. I called the police with the info. I had just bought the car and only had liability insurance on the 2000 KIA. When I felt LE was not doing enough I went to the gas stations down the road and searched for the vehicles that drove by from ten min before the time I made the 911 call to 20 min after. I saw the truck with two passengers and a mangled front bumper drive by. I called the police and told them that I had saw this on the surveillance. They said they would go take a look. I then called back the next day and they had not been there to look at it. I told them in 72 hours this surveillance system tapes over itself. They assured me they would go look. They did not go in time and it was erased. The day after my car was hit my daughter when to school and a boy asked her how her car was. It was odd as we said nothing to anyone but LE and the store. Then my daughter told me the boys mom worked at the school and a local car lot and that her boyfriend drives a Big white truck cause he Builds; houses. I found out his name and went to the bars in town.... 2 of them. and found out he was there. He got in a fight with his Girlfriend and they left about 9pm . The bar is 4 blocks from my home I called 911 at 912 pm . The police did not even question them. They said they had to see the truck wrecked to ask them any questions. This is just one example of how our LE work. Hope to be able to talk to someone soon on scared monkeys. Thank you, Lora "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 10, 2009, 09:07:18 PM
Also bringing over the article on Briam Peak:

Convicted Killer Released, Moving Into House Across From School
Posted: 5:43 pm PST January 2, 2008
Updated: 6:19 pm PST January 2, 2008

HOQUIAM, Wash. -- Convicted killer Brian Peak is set to be released from prison after serving 14 years for murdering 16-year-old Melanie Santiago in 1987.

Peak is moving in with his mother who lives across the street from a Lincoln Elementary School in Hoquiam.

“It makes me furious, I’ve got two teenagers. There’s a grade school that only goes up to grade six living right across the alley. That scares me to death,” neighbor Mary Anne Myers said.

According to state documents obtained by KIRO 7 Eyewitness News, Peak has been diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic with a history of failing to take his medication.

According to police, because of the laws at the time of Peak’s conviction, he is allowed to move in with his mother and will not be supervised by the Department of Corrections.

“They're pretty much powerless to do anything to keep an eye on this guy once he’s out and we just want to ensure that the public is safe,” Sgt. Steve Fretts with the Hoquiam Police Department said.

In response to public concern, Hoquiam police created a public bulletin about Peak’s release noting that he has the right to live as a “free man.”

“I don’t think he belongs around the school, I really don’t,” neighbor Dennis Caruthers said.

The superintendent of Hoquiam schools told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News when students return to class on Monday morning letters will be going home to alert parents of the situation.


http://www.kirotv.com/news/14966260/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 10, 2009, 09:15:28 PM
Thanks Northern Rose, wow  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 10, 2009, 09:17:19 PM
hi everyone-

just got in from work and was catching up...i hope we hear some news soon...im so conflicted on what i think happened in this case, for me there have just been too many strange statements from people and too much going on in Lindsays life for me to believe this was a stranger....like the saying goes, where there's smoke, there is usually fire...

but then i find myself stuck with the fact that the dogs either a) didnt pick up any scent at all or b) the private dogs picked up the scent on 6th street... i think there is more to this that LE is holding back..for whatever reason, i dont know... kara said in the last thread that lindsey does have a friend that lives on 6th street...i'd be interested in knowing more about this friend and their family...as i believe everyone needs to be ruled out as suspects...maybe lindsey was walking there for some reason when she was abducted

i just cant see how someone wouldnt hear a screaming child being forced into  a car...i say this because if she was abducted by a stranger, i really think someone would have heard something...the person prob would have gotten out of the car to get her into the car if it was a complete stranger and i just dont see this going completely unnoticed/unheard...

okay, sorry to blabber i just wanted to recap some things since this is the start of a new monkey cage...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:27:20 PM
SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) - At least 23 officers in Washington and another 14 in Idaho have had their badges stripped since 2007 through a process called decertification for offenses ranging from stealing prescription drugs from inmates to having sex on duty.

Since Washington established its certification commission in 2002, 78 officers have been decertified, including at least 23 since 2007. Idaho's Peace Officers Standards and Training office has decertified 127 officers since it was created in 1970, including 14 last year.

Officers who have been decertified in either state can no longer work in law enforcement, The Spokesman-Review newspaper reported Sunday after filing public records requests.

With about 10,000 law enforcement officers in Washington and 3,541 in Idaho, only a tiny fraction ever face decertification, the newspaper reported.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/16940341.html

Maybe this is why there is no report on the officer convicted..He never was convicted just "decertified"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:40:38 PM
Greys Harbor County Sheriff office list of offenders...


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?SubmitAllSearch=1&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:50:56 PM
Lives in McCleary not far from Lindseys home, but look at the map on this link..zoom out a little to get perspective.

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=738573&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 09:58:09 PM
One more offender.. that make 2 listed in McCleary

Look at his map also..


http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=745793&AgencyID=54470


Both of these men live near water..Looks like creeks, I do not know if that means anything..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 10:04:03 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 10, 2009, 10:06:25 PM
Here is another one just like him.. On the Lose..

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=752151&AgencyID=54470


Local people should be looking over the master list.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 10, 2009, 11:09:01 PM
McCleary seems to be a hot mess....last night when i posted she could have doubled back, she could have...the sighting from ??? by 6th could mean nothing...she could have turned around and started to head back 'cause it was dark...or ???could be lying...it really boggles my mind on how such a corrupt town became the place where kids hang out everywhere....reading post on the 1st thread got me wondering why anyone in the town would let their child out of their sight????
what is going on??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 10, 2009, 11:57:15 PM
http://www.amw.com/show_archive/tv_detail.cfm?currentDate=2009-07-11


Lindsey will be featured on tomorrow night's American Most Wanted.
Catch AMW on Fox, Saturday Nights 9pm Eastern and Pacific, 8pm Central.


Title: Problems
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 11, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
WOW! What is with all the rso?  139 in one county

This is not good.  Looks like l.e. have their hands full.

BTW  I'm Michelle, I've been reading up on all this on Lindsey Baum, and I just don't know what to say.  It's just sickening there are so many predators out there, no child is safe. 

There needs to be something done about these sexual offenders being out of jail and living in society.  It is not right.

Anyway, as I stated, I've been reading all the posts trying to make sense of it but not having much luck.  This poor girl & her family are in my thoughts & prayers.

I have a 13 year old daughter & 16 year old son and I don't know what I'd do if something happened to either of them.  They think I'm too strict because I will not let them walk or ride their bikes anywhere.  If they want to go to a friends, I drive them, I pick them up when they are ready to come home and I make sure there is always an adult with them.  I'm sorry but you just can't be too careful.  Some day they will understand and thank me for being so protective.  That's my job as a parent.

Anyway, thanks for all the great information on this site and I hope they find her soon.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 12:24:28 AM
do you see how many of those so's are in aberdeen  gee!  they should just fence the place off and house them there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tripitaka on July 11, 2009, 12:43:09 AM
Greys Harbor County Sheriff office list of offenders...


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?SubmitAllSearch=1&AgencyID=54470


http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=744203&AgencyID=54470


Hi Monkeys,

Hope I don't destroy my first post/ quote.  SO nervous! 

Thanks for the Gray's Harbour link, Edward... I noticed this one (link above?)... Description of his tattoos caught my attention... (eating utensil)...
On the loose..

This case is mystifying me.  I'd be looking at anyone - everywhere.. and the dogs are onto something. JMO

O/T
I've been lurking for months and am astounded by the amazing work you all do.  You're all amazing Monkeys.   I keep forgetting to log in, cos I'm so used to observing.. ,and learning so much from you all in the process.  My deepest thanks and Monkey hugs to you all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:20:57 AM
 ::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:22:49 AM
TIPS ON MISSING MCCLEARY GIRL SOUGHT AT BEAR FESTIVAL

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office will be accepting tips on the missing 11-year-old McCleary girl during this weekend's Bear Festival. Authorities will be pulling their command center out of town to make room for the festival but extra deputies in uniform will remain to talk to the public about Lindsey Baum who disappear June 26th while walking home from a friend's house. Investigators have yet to find any evidence explaining the disappearance.

Lindsey Baum is a white female, four-foot-nine, 80 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing blue jeans, black sneakers, and a blue hooded sweatshirt. Anyone with information on Lindsey's whereabouts is asked to call the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office at (800) 562-8914.

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com/News/NewsArticle/tabid/1897/smid/3468/ArticleID/7749/reftab/1632/t/TIPS-ON-MISSING-MCCLEARY-GIRL-SOUGHT-AT-BEAR-FESTIVAL/Default.aspx


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 01:27:26 AM
Reader comments:

mcmom wrote on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM:

" Lindsey's 12 year old brother has been seen walking around by himself at 10 pm several times in the last couple of days. Would anyone like to comment on that? "

DianaD wrote on Jul 9, 2009 9:08 AM:

" In my way of thinking, there are two mothers at fault here. That would be Lindsey's mother for not watching Lindsey better, and the mother from whose house she left at that time of night. I would not trust either one of them as far as I could throw them.

I think Scott knew he was well out of that marriage. God bless him for his service to our country.

This woman whose house Lindsey left from fancies herself a writer. Well, she surely has something to write about now - coincidence? I will not go to her site again because I left what she may think is a negative comment. She will not let anyone post if it is negative toward her. Oh, well, it IS her site. She cannot delete this comment.

What about this forestry guy? He jumped in there right away and has lived where little girls have come up missing. Also, now there was arson in the forrest there. He and this woman set off my hinky meter big time.

I care about Lindsey, not the irresponsible adults. May God bless Lindsey and help her to be found. Then, take these kids and let them live where someone will watch over them. "


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tripitaka on July 11, 2009, 02:19:49 AM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.

Thanks for the warm welcome Northern Rose.  ::MonkeyDance:: 

(It's quiet around here now I notice, but I'm on the other side of the planet)....

I'm getting your not good feeling over here too.  When locals in a smallish town, don't trust their local police... we have problems that go unreported and ferment.  Praying for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 11, 2009, 09:58:21 AM
::cartwheel::  WELCOME TRIPITAKA   ::cartwheel::

I am not getting a good feeling at all about this.  Too many locals commenting on articles that LE is a joke, all the SO's in the area and a week ago there was a huge meth ring bust. 

Add to that that there is a closed meeting for Sexual addicts, 3 busy highways that you can connect to and not one clue.

Thanks for the warm welcome Northern Rose.  ::MonkeyDance:: 

(It's quiet around here now I notice, but I'm on the other side of the planet)....

I'm getting your not good feeling over here too.  When locals in a smallish town, don't trust their local police... we have problems that go unreported and ferment.  Praying for Lindsey.
WELCOME, yes it is very quite. This is all very scary.   rebelgirl901 WELCOME   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 12:09:00 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470

Anthony Jenkins is aprehended in Colorado a while back. I really do watch sex offenders in my area. LOL Im a little wierd about that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 12:34:28 PM
Thank u so much for letting me in. I have been reading your posts since June 28th and pulling my hair out every time someone needs info. There is nothing more I would like to do than help find Lindsey. Every night I watch my 9 year old sleep I can not imagine the pain her loved ones are feeling so close to home. Driving threw Mccleary is like a cloud of icky surrounding a otherwise close comunity. I live 9 miles from mccleary Outside of Elma Wa. on a 280 acer dairy farm. I have checked every piece of our property for Lindsey. There is not much public access to the farm but there are plenty of roads around me that would be easy to travel unnoticed. I would like to be your eyes to our comunity. If you have something you need by all means Please ask me and I will go check it out. I have lived here my entire life and know quite a bit about our area. If I don't know I know someone who does. I am ready to hunt down any theories you might have. I have been thinking about quickest routes that someone would take to be unnoticed from where Lindsey was last seen and believe the safest travel for a creep would be 108 toward Shelton. You can reach Olympia that direction and also double back old country roads back to the Elma area. There is many SO on the coquallum rd (SPELLING) in Elma someone said something about lake arrowhead I think. That sends up a red flag. It has practically no LE only when called. It is very secluded with many little gravel roads every where. On the other hand there is Mason county. It is huge and woodsy also. IMO living here myself, I know LE will sit on and at freeway entrances and run plates all day till they find someone with a suspended licence or something to pull them over for. I have seen it happen more times than not. I have a GF that has been dating a state Patrol for a few years now and the stories he can tell are amazing. They live in Mccleary on the route I believe the person would have felt safest to take. I am thinking if there were officers out that day running plates they should double check them. They were there in the area that day so they might have seen something or they might be able to find the perpetrator.
 There were so many things I wanted to say to you all. If you could just ask me anything that crosses you mind I would be happy to help out in ANY way! Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 12:46:28 PM
Thank u so much for letting me in. I have been reading your posts since June 28th and pulling my hair out every time someone needs info. There is nothing more I would like to do than help find Lindsey. Every night I watch my 9 year old sleep I can not imagine the pain her loved ones are feeling so close to home. Driving threw Mccleary is like a cloud of icky surrounding a otherwise close comunity. I live 9 miles from mccleary Outside of Elma Wa. on a 280 acer dairy farm. I have checked every piece of our property for Lindsey. There is not much public access to the farm but there are plenty of roads around me that would be easy to travel unnoticed. I would like to be your eyes to our comunity. If you have something you need by all means Please ask me and I will go check it out. I have lived here my entire life and know quite a bit about our area. If I don't know I know someone who does. I am ready to hunt down any theories you might have. I have been thinking about quickest routes that someone would take to be unnoticed from where Lindsey was last seen and believe the safest travel for a creep would be 108 toward Shelton. You can reach Olympia that direction and also double back old country roads back to the Elma area. There is many SO on the coquallum rd (SPELLING) in Elma someone said something about lake arrowhead I think. That sends up a red flag. It has practically no LE only when called. It is very secluded with many little gravel roads every where. On the other hand there is Mason county. It is huge and woodsy also. IMO living here myself, I know LE will sit on and at freeway entrances and run plates all day till they find someone with a suspended licence or something to pull them over for. I have seen it happen more times than not. I have a GF that has been dating a state Patrol for a few years now and the stories he can tell are amazing. They live in Mccleary on the route I believe the person would have felt safest to take. I am thinking if there were officers out that day running plates they should double check them. They were there in the area that day so they might have seen something or they might be able to find the perpetrator.
 There were so many things I wanted to say to you all. If you could just ask me anything that crosses you mind I would be happy to help out in ANY way! Lora


Lora-welcome to the monkey cage! what a wonderful first post..i am a newbie as well :)

I think it's great that you have taken such an active role in trying to find Lindsey...i believe if everyone in the community and surrounding areas were to do what you are doing by searching your property and trying to come up with anything you can to help crack the case, this little girl may be found soon. i firmly believe that someone knows something and just won't talk..it makes me ill...

i really hope LE is talking to all of the sex offenders in the area...i believe that all of those backroads and remote areas need to be searched...i feel like they should be organizing more volunteer searches or the family should request assistance from texas equusearch...maybe america's most wanted's coverage of the case will help tonite...

have you heard anything that you think should be looked into further?  do people own a lot of hunting cabins off of the backroads you are talking about?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 12:47:48 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 12:54:33 PM
This offender was listed living in " Aberdeen "... I do not know how close that is..
HE IS MISSING and nobody knows where he is..
He is a level 3 child rapist... !!!!!!!   Red Alert !!

He could be anywhere.....

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=737262&AgencyID=54470
Thanks Edward


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 01:11:00 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

I will be as careful as a person can be when looking for an endangered child. LOL I was kinda wild in my younger years. Wander if I still have it in me? (joking) kinda. I don't understand why people are not ready to just jump right in. I see the ones who have  tho. It makes me sad not more mothers are banding together to end this. I mean when it comes to children I can see myself blacking out in a fit of rage to protect them if it came down to it. (I'm just a mom not a loon) LOL feel free to check me out all you want. LOL I can handle any questioning cause I have nothing to hide. That is the attitude I wish others would take. Who cares what people think as Long as you are doing something for the good you most certainly get a good sleep at night.  Hugs to you all .. Keep your brains thinking and post those questions. Lets find Lindsey!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:20:20 PM
hello Madibabe, welcome!  so glad to have you here.

do you know where this Jim Mullin Creek might be.  It is said they searched that area 6 times.  The assessors parcel they say is his does not correspond with the address they give of 220 sought 6th, and neither are any Mullin names listed at that address.  I am not sure what is messed up, but somthing is.  There is also no creek running through the parcel shown on the assessors map for the parcel said to be his. 

I am wondering if he has another parcel we are not finding.  I would really like to know where Jim Mullin's creek is so we can see who lives around there etc, because they did not search that area 6 times for no reason, especially when there are so many other places they did not search at all. 

I am wondering if the dogs actually led them to that creek and they just are not saying so.

I did find another address for jim mullin over by lake arrowhead.  So that is why I was wondering about that area?  is that the are where jim mullin creek is?  or could it be that area up behind lindsey's house over by the water towers?  there is a creek running through back there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:38:19 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
with all the sex offenders around the area you would think someone would here of some creepo acting inappropriately.  is there any certain person/persons which people / kids would know to stay away from? 

have you heard anything at all about a white vehicle following anyone.  there was a post on the net saying something about lindsey might have been followed by a white car.  I have someone else telling me someone was followed by a white vehicle.  do you know of any creepo's around who might be driving a white vehicle?
have you heard anything about that? 

there is a guy on myspace "robi" who a teen girl was saying tried to kiss her and she said he was about 30 yrs old.  I have been told this robi lives with some lady named ashley in elma.  that a lot of kids are around there, do you know anything about this place?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:47:27 PM
does the name Roger ring a bell?  he lives in mccleary I am told.  I don't know anything else about him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:50:47 PM
do you know where the store is that lindsey was said to sometimes work at in the front?  this I suppose is Mccann's store.  Do you know anything about what kind of people go there?  what do they sell?  where is it located.  Or the name of it.

are there places around that have social events for the kids, any churches, can you tell me about anything going on at the chruches in mccleary, for kids.  I was told lindsey was seen at one of those churches about 3 weeks before she went missing.  she might have just been over there with her mother's friend for all I know.  but I was wondering if social events over there for kids was common and do mccleary kids often attend them


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 01:55:42 PM
this is kind of a weird question but I really wonder about this stuff.

I am definitely not the prudish type, and I am actually pretty lax about things, moreso than most I would think, but I am older now and things are a bit different now than they were, but still, I am around a lot of younger people who have kids this age, and it is usually really easy for me to talk with and get along with kids etc.  I am still young at heart and like to act silly etc, and I stay up on music of the times and can have a good conversation with kids on their level and about their intersts, but for the life of me, I don't really know many kids going around "dating" and "going out with" or being "a couple" at age 10-11. 

Is that common there?

and where would they go on a "date" or if they were "going out"?  is that to the elma dance? 
I just don't get this?  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 01:59:32 PM
New Monkeys in The House   ::MonkeyAngel:: Welcome!

Madibabe - Hi - I have a specific question for you and I hope you can answer.  I was hoping you would get processed in soon ~ and I see that you did - Yea!

My question is in regards to your first post and the story of your car being hit by a big white pick-up, with tools and such in the back, that was traveling through your town and hit your car.  I believe you said you finally located the guy at a bar?  He was the boyfriend of the girl that owned the truck?  Do I have this correct?  Do you have his name?  Unless he is a minor, I'm pretty sure you can post it if you care to.

There is a lead that specifically mentions a vehicle matching that description and when I read your post, that is one thing that jumped out at me.  I realize you stated that this incident happened four years ago. 

So happy to have you with us!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:00:23 PM
are there transients in the area, living out, "camping", homeless camps?  if so, where would they most likely be?

do you have problems in the area with the drug cartels coming in and growing "crops"?  we have a lot of that where I live.  so much so it really is not safe to be wandering around in the woods during growing season.  good way to get shot and never heard from again.

oh another thing I was wondering do you have lava caves in that area


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

Tracygirl ~ Not sure if your computer is working right or not yet, but in the meantime, your Avatar is killing me.....HOW CUTE IS THAT??    ::MonkeyDevil::

xo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
one other thing I was wonder.

about the bear festival, do they have "events/competitions" there where people from out of town would "follow" these kinds of events to participate in them?  we use to have festivals where loggers from all over the usa would come to compete in the events. 

if they do have these events I wonder how early the competitors might show up and where they would most likely stay.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:14:32 PM
do you know of any other missing persons in the area, their names or anything about them etc. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:16:16 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2009, 02:21:49 PM
Wow, I am glad that people from the area are here. Cops running plates was a good idea. My idea was the liquor store, was there been anyone in there that was newish to the area ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:24:49 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
oh this map, the red line is mommsen, lindsey's road
you see it wind around to the east and back in almost a loop, then it almost runs into the highway
do you know if there is easy access from that road to the highway? 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumhouse-topo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 02:32:23 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:38:56 PM
hello Madibabe, welcome!  so glad to have you here.

do you know where this Jim Mullin Creek might be.  It is said they searched that area 6 times.  The assessors parcel they say is his does not correspond with the address they give of 220 sought 6th, and neither are any Mullin names listed at that address.  I am not sure what is messed up, but somthing is.  There is also no creek running through the parcel shown on the assessors map for the parcel said to be his. 

I am wondering if he has another parcel we are not finding.  I would really like to know where Jim Mullin's creek is so we can see who lives around there etc, because they did not search that area 6 times for no reason, especially when there are so many other places they did not search at all. 

I am wondering if the dogs actually led them to that creek and they just are not saying so.

I did find another address for jim mullin over by lake arrowhead.  So that is why I was wondering about that area?  is that the are where jim mullin creek is?  or could it be that area up behind lindsey's house over by the water towers?  there is a creek running through back there.
Thank you Doubledecker! I have followed your posts and love the questions you come up with. I will fill you in as much as I can.
Jim Mullin creek is what i will work on today. I will find and take photos if posable. I will get the gps location for you. I wander if the refer to it as Jim mullin creek because its on his property? I dont thing there is an officail Jim Mullin creek. Can you give me the link to his address at lake arrowhead? I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark, so I have been told. I will ask her if she knows of any creeks in Mccleary maybe the children freaquent.
I do not believe its behind Lindseys house. There are other homes and the hospital on the hill. Down ferther from her home there is wooded area but right where her house is its mostly houses. I will drive around this afternoon and take some photos. I will reporty everything tonight. :) Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:39:12 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:41:20 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.
Not that I know of. I know teens party  and smoke pot on the log roads. I have heard of a place called circle pit before from the kids. Just a party spot deep in the woods. I can find out more from my kids and there friends about places in the woods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
Welcome everyone! Madibabe thank you for the offer to check things out. Please be careful though.

My laptop is giving me problems, the keys are not working, i have to peck type! BBL when at work to type, I will be reading.

Tracygirl ~ Not sure if your computer is working right or not yet, but in the meantime, your Avatar is killing me.....HOW CUTE IS THAT??    ::MonkeyDevil::

xo
Thank you, CBB sent my little monkey on vacation! , no work today,stuck with this darn computer! No long posts from me today!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:45:19 PM
Sorry,I forgot my manners....

Welcome to all the new Monkeys!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:51:04 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:52:41 PM
Wow, I am glad that people from the area are here. Cops running plates was a good idea. My idea was the liquor store, was there been anyone in there that was newish to the area ?

I will call it into the tip line and maybe the fbi will get the plates they ran that day.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 03:53:03 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?
I do not know . I have went threw town looking for the flyers but found none. I will look again today when we are out checking things out


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 11, 2009, 03:57:26 PM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or shaparones(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds aroud where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to 
Great questions DD!
Also,is this the Lora that posted yesterday?
If so,do you know the name of the 13 year old girl who disappeared in Elma?
I do not know . I have went threw town looking for the flyers but found none. I will look again today when we are out checking things out
Thank you Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:00:57 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 11, 2009, 04:04:38 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.
Oh wow, thanks, and WELCOME.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:05:42 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora

Adults mid20-50's who are hanging out with young kids??? Maybe they are youngish acting, ie cloths, cars, language


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:09:53 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

Where on a map???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 11, 2009, 04:10:45 PM
Hello everyone, anything new happening today?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:11:58 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg
I did not see any news of Tori or sandra. I watch the news but did not catch that. They must have not been aired here. there is a man that is a rso that was trying to get my 17 year old to go to the store with him in a car a few weeks ago. It was in Oakville. She was there with a girlfriend and had not been there before, but it was a party she told me . My daughter said it gave her the creeps cause he told her he was only 20 years old. She laughed in his face and got in her car and came home. just to let you know she will be 18 in 2 monthes. I dont condone going to parties but can not put her on a leash. just to let you know. LOL  This sex offender is in Oakville wa  dark short hair. I will look for him and post the link


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

Where on a map???
where it says fork  dam


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:20:33 PM
I feel like I am getting something done!! Keep the questions flying, anything off the tiop of your head I will tell you what I know. I see there are questions about the rock quaries and such above I do know where some are and will get that info today. Im heading out to find Lindsey. It takes a village you know. :) Hugs, Lora TTY in a few hours


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 04:21:36 PM
o ya I forgot if anyone had any questions while Im out that are important you can text me Ill be happy to help. Lora


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 04:29:53 PM
is there an adult in town that hangs with the kids at the party spot.

I was reading recently about copycats,lately there has been some high profile cases, where any of these cases shown heavily on Tv there? What about Tori or Sandra, did they get air time?

5 min to type!!!uggg
I did not see any news of Tori or sandra. I watch the news but did not catch that. They must have not been aired here. there is a man that is a rso that was trying to get my 17 year old to go to the store with him in a car a few weeks ago. It was in Oakville. She was there with a girlfriend and had not been there before, but it was a party she told me . My daughter said it gave her the creeps cause he told her he was only 20 years old. She laughed in his face and got in her car and came home. just to let you know she will be 18 in 2 monthes. I dont condone going to parties but can not put her on a leash. just to let you know. LOL  This sex offender is in Oakville wa  dark short hair. I will look for him and post the link

What kind of car did he have? maybe go to the gas station and ask if they had see a man like that in that kind of car


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 11, 2009, 04:48:28 PM
Wasn't there a post about a white car that the driver was trying to get girl(s) to get in ?
McCleary is close to two major highways and then there is the woods, the woods where there was an arson.
I think the answer is going to come from persons in McCleary who are observant and get suspicious about the persons nearest them. And the kids. I've posted before about kids knowing who gets their skin crawling
or what adults or older persons who get too friendly in a wierd way. Who is willing to buy the booze for the kids to get near them ? Our drinking age here in Canada is 18. It's happened here, SO's being very helpful, then they abuse the girls after they get them drunk. In the city it's at some run
down shack of a house, in the rural areas it's at bush parties.
..
Another thing I read was that Lindsey missed school because of " stress" .
She's ten, what kind of stress could a girl that age have at school where she didn't want to go there ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 05:16:56 PM
Wasn't there a post about a white car that the driver was trying to get girl(s) to get in ?
McCleary is close to two major highways and then there is the woods, the woods where there was an arson.
I think the answer is going to come from persons in McCleary who are observant and get suspicious about the persons nearest them. And the kids. I've posted before about kids knowing who gets their skin crawling
or what adults or older persons who get too friendly in a wierd way. Who is willing to buy the booze for the kids to get near them ? Our drinking age here in Canada is 18. It's happened here, SO's being very helpful, then they abuse the girls after they get them drunk. In the city it's at some run
down shack of a house, in the rural areas it's at bush parties.
..
Another thing I read was that Lindsey missed school because of " stress" .
She's ten, what kind of stress could a girl that age have at school where she didn't want to go there ?

MLaChester posted that information regarding a car. No report to the police as far as we've been told or passed on to residents that this actually happened at any time. Happy to ask again though to double check.

Stress was - I imagine a combination of things - I posted previously she was harassed at school by some other girls daily called horrible names and joked about topped with missing her dad I can't imagine school being anything but stressful for her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 05:17:53 PM
I feel like I am getting something done!! Keep the questions flying, anything off the tiop of your head I will tell you what I know. I see there are questions about the rock quaries and such above I do know where some are and will get that info today. Im heading out to find Lindsey. It takes a village you know. :) Hugs, Lora TTY in a few hours

Thanks Lora sounds like you are familiar more with the surrounding areas which may come in really handy. Thank you for doing this...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:26:57 PM
Has there been any talk of weird things going on out in the woods?
any sacrificed animals around town?
anything of that nature talked about etc.
Not that I know of. I know teens party  and smoke pot on the log roads. I have heard of a place called circle pit before from the kids. Just a party spot deep in the woods. I can find out more from my kids and there friends about places in the woods.

just got back on, reading your responses now.  I had to go to sleep LOL  I have had no sleep since this case began, is driving me crazy ugh. let me read through posts.   I saw a circle pit on my old mining maps, let me see if I can find it now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
There is a place in Elma called "the ponds" where all the kids go swimming.  do mccleary kids also go over there, do you know?
  Yes kids from Mccleary swim at the ponds. Kids within a 30 mile radious come swim there. I can tell you anything you need to know about the ponds.  Lora

ah... what I would like to know about the ponds is:

do kids of all ages go there? do adults? is this a place where weirdos might know about and know kids are around so they go there to hang out where the kids are?  is it also a place where you could sit off somewhere and watch kids and they not see you? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 05:38:15 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

oh hmmm so that is the creek.  Kara said the kids use to go swimming there all the time but she made her daughter quit going there because it was a place where people hung out drinking etc.  that post is somewhere on the board here.  one of the sex offenders lives up that creek area a ways, let me get it on the map.  I wonder if you could easily walk down to that creek from his house.  also, I wonder, it being a friday night, if there was a party down there and kids might going to go there?  and I wonder if adults party there as well.  does your son know if they have parties out there?  and if so, is there a specific spot along that creek they have them.  also there is a dam upstream on the creek a ways?  let me get a topo map of that area

pleas excuse all my typos, and I leave out a lot of "n" letters becuause the N key on my keboard actually has a huge hole in it from my fingernails and most the time it will not hit it.  also the screen on here for some reason alwayws jumps and I can't see what I am typing of go back and fix it.  ugh.  so that is why my typing is such a mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:20:38 PM
lol aren't we a pair! I will giveyou a "n" fora spacebar!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:23:31 PM
hmm on FORK DAM.  that is interesting name.  I saw the dam on the map.  I wonder if there is a place out there by the creek/dam they call FORKS?  can you ask your son, LORA.  thanks.  your answers are really helping me a lot.  Now I can get my brain in geer and THINK again.  I was at a total standstill there for a bit.  ugh.

I will get some better maps but for now the creek, dam, and simpson door plant is all on this one

at the top left of the map you will see the word FORK in blue, right to the upper right of the word FORK you will see the dam and the word DAM.  follow that creek SW to the left and down, that is the creek they swim in behind simpson door plant. 

see that gray building in the white spot just below the dam and FORK, just to the left and down from the circle with 108, and just to the left of STACK, that white area with those gray buildings in simpson door plant.  see that road that is running straight into that largest gray building there, that is north 6th street.  there are a bunch of dirt roads or dirt trails back there too, I will get up anonther map to show those.  but this is the creek back there coming from the DAM. 

elma hicklin road is to the north and on the other side of the creek less than a mile from the simpson door plant, this is where one of the so's live.  I'll get it on another map



(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumhouse-topo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:29:46 PM
hmmm forks...there is that word again


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:30:15 PM
this is the sex offender listed on elma hicklin road.  you can see he lives north of the simpson door plant and could easily walk down the creek to get to where the kids swim.  these maps are a little off it appears.  seems the creek and the RR tracks do not really match up right, let me get better maps and mark out all this stuff on them.

Name: MICHAEL DAVID FEESER Registration #: 558380
Level:  Level II 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-so-feeser-1.jpg)

Physical Description
• Age: 35 • Height: 5.09
• Sex: M • Weight: 190
• Race: Caucasian • Eyes: Blue
• Hair: Brown
• Scars/Tattoos: Tattoo on R_arm (Pig) , Tattoo on L_arm (In Memory of Grandpa) 
       
Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road McCleary, WA 98557   
       
Offenses
• Description: 9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree.,
• Date Convicted: 01/02/1992 
• Date Released:   
• Details:

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-so-map1.jpg)

Is he still in custody?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 06:31:05 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:34:53 PM
okay on the map above, the creek he is on is not the creek behind the simpson door plant, looks like there is a closer creek than the one he is on.  If you compare the two maps they are not making sense to me.  let me get ONE map with all this stuff in one place


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I certainly agree with you...If they really did find her sweatshirt on that creek back there then it makes sense they searched it 6 times. 

Now the question is, did the dogs track her there and they are not saying?  or did they not track her there but her sweatshirt ended up out there.  perhaps it was left somewhere and someone threw it out there later?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:45:27 PM
year conviced 1992??? he is out, a man did 14 years for killing a teen and was allowed to live across the street from a school, molestation gets you about 6 months  bet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 06:48:18 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:51:44 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 06:54:27 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 06:57:00 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search
Actually, if I'm not mistaken, the Forks reference was first dropped by an anonymous  commenter as a comment left on one of the news article sites.  I believe it was brought over from there, at which time we thought maybe it was a Twilight reference (as coincidentally,  that's the name of a town in the book). 

But you are so correct Traceygirl....there's that word again.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 11, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
The comment left at the article site simply read something like "Maybe they should look up in or try Forks".  Something along that line. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 11, 2009, 07:01:33 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:02:04 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??

maybe it was read...the kidnapper could be reading on the net or the poster might say they are from indiana, could be a lie. Don't know either


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:07:18 PM
the poster that mentioned forks, was that before or after 6 x search

that I do not know, but she lives in indiana LOL  but who knows.  might know someone??

maybe it was read...the kidnapper could be reading on the net or the poster might say they are from indiana, could be a lie. Don't know either

they had a lot of posts, I went through and read them all; well, scanned them really, and I gathered she was from indiana, and she was a she.  but I dont KNOW who the poster is or what, as never know about people online or what they are saying. 

I never did think that comment meant FORKS as in the town of twilight.  I also thought it rang of being cryptic and fugured it was on the map somewhere in the mccleary area or near there.   but most likely it is not cryptic LOL  I didn't go through her most a lot but a little to see if there were other cryptic clues in there, but I did not see anything right off that seemed familiar to me, but I always kept the forks word in my mind just in case I ran into forks around mccleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:08:33 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing

I can't say one way or the other for sure but right now for all of us here "what if" is all we really have to go on so please by all means if you come up with a theory please run with it. I don't think any possibility should be closed.

I will share my opinion though as to where I think that rumor started: I know they searched that area several times along with a few others just as many times but using the dogs they had a shirt of Lindsey's being used for "scent" and those I believe are kept in evidence bags so that the scent does not dissipate or so it is stronger for the dogs. If nothing was found then this (seeing clothing in an evidence or any bag) is what I believe may have led someone to think something had been found possibly. Again that is only a guess and a possibility I honestly don't know one way or the other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:17:18 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

that is what we used to call them, lol. a hooded sweatshirt Of course we would not wear them in the summer!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 07:20:26 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.


if she wasnt wearing a sweatshirt when she left ur house and a sweatshirt was actually found that was hers (i realize this is a rumor so im using the 'what if' scenario) this could mean that she did make it home and changed into a sweatshirt...or maybe they did find some kind of shirt and the rumor mill is spreading that its a sweatshirt when in reality its just a regular shirt or other article of clothing

I can't say one way or the other for sure but right now for all of us here "what if" is all we really have to go on so please by all means if you come up with a theory please run with it. I don't think any possibility should be closed.

I will share my opinion though as to where I think that rumor started: I know they searched that area several times along with a few others just as many times but using the dogs they had a shirt of Lindsey's being used for "scent" and those I believe are kept in evidence bags so that the scent does not dissipate or so it is stronger for the dogs. If nothing was found then this (seeing clothing in an evidence or any bag) is what I believe may have led someone to think something had been found possibly. Again that is only a guess and a possibility I honestly don't know one way or the other.

Wow you are good! Great theory!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 07:26:26 PM
yes they do keep the scenting articles in a sealed bag,  and you are right someone could have seen that in there and thought they found something.  like some dumbo reporter haha


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 07:28:08 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

Yeah some of the flyers that were put and printed up by others as well as some news stations have her shirt as a sweatshirt instead of a long sleeve blue shirt with hood. Not necessarily a crucial difference but I for one when looking at what someone is wearing make note of garment by material so to me the term sweatshirt seems heavy and possibly bulky which hers was not so it is just something that I wanted to point out more so for anyone who may see her or should someone find something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 11, 2009, 07:38:50 PM
Why are there so many sex offenders in all of these towns? Has it always been this way? It seems like there are so many predators after our kids these days.  I am scared for my kids to go into the yard alone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 11, 2009, 07:48:21 PM
this is kind of a weird question but I really wonder about this stuff.

I am definitely not the prudish type, and I am actually pretty lax about things, moreso than most I would think, but I am older now and things are a bit different now than they were, but still, I am around a lot of younger people who have kids this age, and it is usually really easy for me to talk with and get along with kids etc.  I am still young at heart and like to act silly etc, and I stay up on music of the times and can have a good conversation with kids on their level and about their intersts, but for the life of me, I don't really know many kids going around "dating" and "going out with" or being "a couple" at age 10-11. 

Is that common there?

and where would they go on a "date" or if they were "going out"?  is that to the elma dance? 
I just don't get this?  ::MonkeyShocked::

D.D.  I don't know about McCleary but around here when they say "going out" it's just a term they use for when they have a b/f g/f and not necessarily dating per say.  My daughter uses that "going out" phrase all the time but she isn't allowed to date nor go to a boys house.  It does sound strange I know but it's just what they say.

Hope this helps.

Also, having a teenage daughter, I can tell you they do have A LOT of drama (mostly over boys) but girls can be really mean & nasty.  My daughter is 13 and she's had trouble with some girls at her school.  I've been to the school on several occasions to file complaints about harassment/bullying.  Sadly, some of the parents don't care and are just as bad if not worse than their daughters (probably where they learned it from).  I have had less drama with my 16 year old son than with my daughter.   

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone and I feel badly for Lindsey & her family but and this is a big BUT something just isn't right about this.  I don't know what it is but I get this strange feeling about what happened to Lindsey.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 11, 2009, 08:10:39 PM
Why are there so many sex offenders in all of these towns? Has it always been this way? It seems like there are so many predators after our kids these days.  I am scared for my kids to go into the yard alone.


The sad thing is - is that when I use to live in Aberdeen 3 or 4 years ago I had to look up offenders. I had no clue that there were so many around the Hoquiam and Aberdeen area - actually even when I looked them up I did not find a quarter of the ones I've seen posted since Lindsey disappeared. You would think that would be part of your welcome to the city package that all those companies like to send you.

Now with Lora on the board and hearing about Brian Peak I am curious how many of the people that are new to town and living in his area know about him? Probably none unless a neighbor has clued them in. It was difficult for me to find too much information on him when I was searching now having heard about him and his crimes.

It should be mandatory for there to be a regular notice to go out to folks as kind of a reminder. In AZ at least the apartments that we lived in posted the picture of local offenders right on the office door and windows. I'd like to see a little more of that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 08:33:52 PM
also on that map, see the water towers to the south of Lindsey's house.  looks like two of them.  are those the city water tanks?  do you know if anyone goes hanging out in that area of the towers?  also there is a creek running through there, do you know the name of that creek, also looks like some swamp land out there.

do you know what that area is like back there or who owns it or might be around there working in that area etc


I just found out that Jim Mullen creek is the creek behind the Simpson door mill. It is just ((((((rumor))))) they found her sweatshirt back there. No police have said anything about this at all. My son is 20 years old and he told me where is was. He also said a few years ago they found a body back there. No clue if it was a homeless person that just passed away or what. I will try and get more info on that. That is defiantly the site they searched 6 times tho!  That is walking distance from where she was. If someone did not have a car it would be secluded enough not to be seen.

oh hmmm so that is the creek.  Kara said the kids use to go swimming there all the time but she made her daughter quit going there because it was a place where people hung out drinking etc.  that post is somewhere on the board here.  one of the sex offenders lives up that creek area a ways, let me get it on the map.  I wonder if you could easily walk down to that creek from his house.  also, I wonder, it being a friday night, if there was a party down there and kids might going to go there?  and I wonder if adults party there as well.  does your son know if they have parties out there?  and if so, is there a specific spot along that creek they have them.  also there is a dam upstream on the creek a ways?  let me get a topo map of that area

pleas excuse all my typos, and I leave out a lot of "n" letters becuause the N key on my keboard actually has a huge hole in it from my fingernails and most the time it will not hit it.  also the screen on here for some reason alwayws jumps and I can't see what I am typing of go back and fix it.  ugh.  so that is why my typing is such a mess.
You know my son will be in Mccleary tionight with his girlfriend while she is babysitting. I will take a little walk with him back there being its saturday night and see where i can go . Whats the address of the sO I will look up the house on grays harbor Parcel and see if I can see it from there. Its a good night to check it out. Thanks for the question


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 11, 2009, 08:35:56 PM
madibabe- thank you so much for your contributions to this board...

i think the rumor that they found her sweatshirt on the property that was searched 6 times could really be accurate..it would totally explain why the property was searched 6 times.... is there a road on the back end of the property that someone could have got away on with lindsey, maybe someone she knew lured her away and took her back through that property and then to either a waiting vehicle or a nearby home....

I had not yet heard that rumor that they found a shirt back there so I can't say one way ot the other but I wanted to just point out that Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt that night.  I know some information in the media says sweatshirt but it was not a sweatshirt.
The acual thing My sons girlfriend told me was a coat. I do not know what she was wearing . I just told her the media said she had a sweatshirt not a coat. Im sure it could have been anyones.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Gizzie on July 11, 2009, 08:39:27 PM
DD, This is O/T and I apologize, but I've seen you mention a few times about the screen bouncing when you are typing. I've seen others asking the same thing, and they have been told it may be from the new IE8, so maybe that could be the problem you are having. Wanted to tell you, as I see it's been happening for you for a while. Hope this helps.

Sorry again for the O/T.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:41:43 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:44:21 PM
DD, This is O/T and I apologize, but I've seen you mention a few times about the screen bouncing when you are typing. I've seen others asking the same thing, and they have been told it may be from the new IE8, so maybe that could be the problem you are having. Wanted to tell you, as I see it's been happening for you for a while. Hope this helps.

Sorry again for the O/T.  ::MonkeyAngel::

well gee maybe that is it, I really did not mean to install that stupid thing LOL  what do I know about computers haha, I tried to remove a ton of cookies the other day and ended up losing all my favorites, all my passwords and user names haha, now I can't find half my files.  gee.  what a mess.  I will try to uninstall IE8 if I accidently loaded it, I probably did as I noticed everything looks different LOL 

thanks for telling me that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 08:47:27 PM
btw, on the map at the top, who owns that airstrip I wonder. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Gizzie on July 11, 2009, 08:54:08 PM


well gee maybe that is it, I really did not mean to install that stupid thing LOL  what do I know about computers haha, I tried to remove a ton of cookies the other day and ended up losing all my favorites, all my passwords and user names haha, now I can't find half my files.  gee.  what a mess.  I will try to uninstall IE8 if I accidently loaded it, I probably did as I noticed everything looks different LOL 

thanks for telling me that

You are so welcome! I don't know a thing about computers either, but it seems to fix the problem for others. I hope it works for you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:09:39 PM
hmm found this michael feeser in washington, if that is his mugshot in 1992 and if this is him, he would have been 37 in that photo, does that guy look at that old in that photo?  maybe this is his father? let me look more.
FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)
  MCCLEARY, WA
SEATTLE, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)
FEESER WOODARD, SARAH J 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:18:13 PM
I wonder if these are his relatives
Name: Ann M Feeser
Birth Date: May 1964
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)

Name: Hank Feeser
Birth Date: Sep 1947
Address:847 Elma McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0101 (1993)
[54 McCleary Elma Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1990)] 


 Name: Rhonda L Feeser
Birth Date: Sep 1947
Address: 847 Elma McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)
[54 McCleary Elma Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1990)]


Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)

View Record

PreviewName: Tamara K Feeser
Birth Date: Dec 1951
Phone Number: 495-4266
Address: Pob 595, McCleary, Washington 98557-0901 (1992)

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 Tamara K Feeser Dec 1951 495-4266 Pob 595, McCleary, Washington
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 Mark T Feeser Mar 1959 495-4266 Pob 595, McCleary, Washington
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 Judy Lynn Feeser     70 Williams McCleary Rd, McCleary, Washington
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 Judylynn Dee Feeser     70 William, McCleary, Washington
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 Sarah Feeser     Pob 566, McCleary, Washington





 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:20:45 PM
hmm found this michael feeser in washington, if that is his mugshot in 1992 and if this is him, he would have been 37 in that photo, does that guy look at that old in that photo?  maybe this is his father? let me look more.
FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)
  MCCLEARY, WA
SEATTLE, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)
FEESER WOODARD, SARAH J 

dang I can't even add LOL
he would have been 30 in the mugshot if this is him, if that mugshot photo was taken in 1992, maybe it was taken when he got out? I don't know, let me find his dob
he would have been


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:23:50 PM
whoa!!!

there is a common address with one of the feesers and the same last name as one of the kids on the myspace pages

let me go see if these people are related. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:26:13 PM
sarah woodard is listed with michael d feeser
here are other towns she is connected to and she is also at the same address as someone with the same last name of one of the girls on myspace.
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
TUMWATER, WA
OLYMPIA, WA
MONTESANO, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 09:27:53 PM
he is listed at the same address also
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 10:13:46 PM
from a local I am told

you have to follow a trail that goes along the edge of the side and back of simpsons mill parking lot.  they you go along part of the mill before you get to the trail that leads you back to the creek area.  the creek does not sit far back but you have to go along the trail to get to it.  they say it takes about 3 minutes into the woods but 7+ minutes following the trail to get to the trail that leads to the creek.

some of the trail is not even trail, you have to wade through branches and bushes.

it seems the actual area the kids go to is in the area where the map shows the word FORK, it would be in the R or K area of that word on the map.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 11, 2009, 10:24:48 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 

that is what we used to call them, lol. a hooded sweatshirt Of course we would not wear them in the summer!


Tracygirl, the other Sunday, one of the kids (about 11) was wearing her Uggs.  It assuredly wan't even cool.
 :scratch:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 10:36:41 PM
I bet there are  ton of reports about teens being taken to the ER for heat stroke! honestly the stupidest fad ever!


So the kids hang out by FORKS???? there is that word again? Why does it keep popping up? strange? Maybe the poster knows kids hang out there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 11, 2009, 10:39:28 PM
DD  I thinkthe man in the mug shot fits the type of preditor which would take lindsey. what was the details of hs prior?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 10:42:54 PM
DD  I thinkthe man in the mug shot fits the type of preditor which would take lindsey. what was the details of hs prior?

I have not found anything on him about that, have not had time to look even ugh
right now I am trying to figure out how he is connected to one of those myspace girls.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 11:15:27 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:40:50 PM
Town festival 'not the same' with girl missing

MCCLEARY, Wash. - A little girl who vanished without a trace more than two weeks ago missed her 11th birthday this week - still with no sign of her.
The town where she lives celebrated its annual Bear Festival on Saturday - but it wasn't the same as in previous years.

Yes, there was a parade, and floats, and music - and flags waving. But there were also volunteers passing out flyers of the missing girl's photo.

"It's just getting harder and harder. I think every day that goes by, everybody just gets a little more upset," said Kim Paull, Lindsey's aunt.

John Munson of Olympia, who was there for the festival, agreed.

"It's just totally different, the atmosphere, it's just really something. It makes you want to cry," he said.

He and other visitors grabbed flyers from volunteers. "I'm gonna post them in Tumwater, Olympia and the Lacey area," he says.

That's exactly what McCleary police, the FBI and the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office want. Law enforcement personnel took advantage of the influx of visitors to familiarize people with Lindsey's plight.

"To get the word out. More people here, more people see the flyer, more people are aware of our situation here in McCleary," says the town's police chief, George Crumb.

Law enforcement was very visible on Saturday, hoping townspeople will talk to them about anything unusual.

Police also released new photos of Lindsey that were taken at a "Shop with a Cop" event last winter. They show a girl having a good time, with $100 to spend.

Her mother and this town still hold out hope, as exemplified on a sign at a local store that says simply "Hope & Pray."

"I feel her in my heart. And I know the statistics, but I know she's out there, and I know she's alive. And I want to her to know ... that I'm never going to stop looking for you," says Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:46:24 PM
Newly released photo.

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg)

http://www.komonews.com/news/50547357.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 11, 2009, 11:52:58 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:16:02 AM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.

hmmm how far off is the age?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2009, 12:42:52 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 12, 2009, 12:58:55 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.



http://jail.lewiscountywa.gov/
George Woodard
Arrest Date Arresting Agency Court Billing Agency> Bond Type> Bond Amount Warrent/Citation# Description
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Included $0.00 08-1-00876-7 KIDNAPPING 1ST DEG
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Cash or Bond $100,000.00 08-1-00876-7 RAPE CHILD 2CD
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Released by Court $0.00 C84770 DWLS 3RD DEGREE
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Serving Time $0.00 C84826 DWLS 3RD DEGREE


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:01:04 AM
I just received a request to post this.  I am going to approve this person as a member of SM but wanted to post this first:


Hi
 
I have been waiting for approval to get into the scared monkey forum - but really need this info passed on.  I live in the area of Lindsey Baum and Nancy Moyer so I have been following posts.
 
Can you please pass on a message to "doubledecker"  on the Lindsey Baum McCleary Forum. They are reasearching a
SO named Michael Feeser with possible roommates being
George Woodard
 
That person is currently in the Lewis County Jail for kidnapping and rape of a child.
George Patrick Woodard $100,000,00 bail
 
Lewis County is really close to MCCleary
 
www.jail.lewiscountywa.gov
 
Thanks for passing this on.  It may help the research.




oh wow!!!  this is getting unreal. 
I am so tired but I will stay up and keep working on trying to see how all these people are linking up and if they do in fact connect to one of the girls on myspace who have friends in common with lindsey and friends.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:06:00 AM

http://jail.lewiscountywa.gov/
George Woodard
Arrest Date Arresting Agency Court Billing Agency> Bond Type> Bond Amount Warrent/Citation# Description
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Included $0.00 08-1-00876-7 KIDNAPPING 1ST DEG
Dec 25 2008 LCSO SUP LCSO Cash or Bond $100,000.00 08-1-00876-7 RAPE CHILD 2CD
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Released by Court $0.00 C84770 DWLS 3RD DEGREE
Jan 31 2009 JAIL DIS LCSO Serving Time $0.00 C84826 DWLS 3RD DEGREE


RELEASED??  HUH?? !!!! they have to be kidding me OMG, why would you release someone like that?  did he post that big bond or did they let him out on an OR?  and where did this guy go? 

we need to find out if this is the same guy connected to michael feeser the SO in mccleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:15:38 AM
okay that is a George Patrick Woodard who is arrested for child rape in lewis county
and the one I am showing in mccleary is george P woodard, he is listed with a sarah j feeser/woodard.
gee.  this is most likely the same george, let me get some docs to confirm this.

I show one george I have in the church st mccleary address as 44, and one as 64, sometimes this database transposes ages with the other people in the household so I am not sure which on of these is right, but sarah J feeser/woodard is also there in that address and she is listed as 33. 

let me go find some marriage docs or something see who is who here and if this is the same one in the jail, gee they let this guy out of jail ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:18:41 AM
Is this the same George Woodard?


DOC Number
294146
Last Name
WOODARD
First Name
GEORGE
Date of Birth
Jul 28 1965
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
67
Weight
120
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Brown
Cause No.
891004121
County
Thurston
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Nov 29 1989
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
Release Date
Dec 19 1994
Sentence Status
EXPIRED



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:19:15 AM
don't know if this is him on facebook or not
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:35Z_BaSLqLIJ:www.facebook.com/gwoodard+george+patrick+woodard+washington&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:24:36 AM
looks like there might be a father and son, same name, we need a birthdate

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE
 MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
TUMWATER, WA
OLYMPIA, WA
MONTESANO, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)




.  WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)
  CENTRALIA, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA   

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)  


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:26:03 AM
Is this the same George Woodard?


DOC Number
294146
Last Name
WOODARD
First Name
GEORGE
Date of Birth
Jul 28 1965
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
67
Weight
120
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Brown
Cause No.
891004121
County
Thurston
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Nov 29 1989
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
Release Date
Dec 19 1994
Sentence Status
EXPIRED



that one might be the 44 yr old one I just listed above, would be the right age for the birthdate, and thurston county is the next county over from mccleary. 

let me find out who this guy is since we have his birthdate.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:26:19 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:29:57 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:32:48 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


this is the one I have on the map, who is up there north of the jim mullin creek area.  he is connected to the addresses of this woodard person. 

this is getting really weird. 

I wish I knew if lindsey's mother knew she was over in elma 3 weeks before she disappeared.  she was seen as a social event over there. 

KARA--can you find out if it is know she was over there.  it might just be she was over there with her mother or mccann. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:34:34 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


can you tell WHEN he was 35 years old on there. is that the date he was released or arrested in 1992?  of is that his age when this was printed?  hmm I am not sure which it is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:38:56 AM
Name
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER
 Address
10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road City
McCleary
State
WA
Zip Code
98557
Gender
M
Ethnicity
Caucasian
Height
5.09
Weight
190
Age
35
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Race
Caucasian
Scars and Markings
Tattoo on R_arm (Pig)
Status
 
Crime Committed
9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree
Date Convicted
01/02/1992
Date Released
 Offense Description
 
Risk Level
Level II


can you tell WHEN he was 35 years old on there. is that the date he was released or arrested in 1992?  of is that his age when this was printed?  hmm I am not sure which it is.
Here's another record with a DOB



DOC Number
989484
Last Name
FEESER


First Name
MICHAEL
Date of Birth
Aug 15 1973
Sex
Male
Race
White
Height
66
Weight
220
Hair Color
Brown
Eye Color
Blue
Cause No.
921000086
County
Grays Harbor
RCW Number
9A44083
Sentence Date
Mar 16 1992
Sentence Description
CHILD MOLESTATION 1
 Release Date
Feb 21 1997
Sentence Status
EXPIRED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:42:44 AM
thanks for that record with the birthdate that helps a LOT  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 01:44:04 AM
thanks for that record with the birthdate that helps a LOT  ::MonkeyAngel::
You're Welcome! I'll BBL...Got to water My Azaleas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
by chance are there any sex offenses for any of these

23 CHURCH MCCLEARY, WA

ABERDEEN, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
HOQUIAM, WA
OCEAN CITY, WA

Possible Relatives:

THOMPSON, DEBORAH J (Age 52)
TOMPHSON, JANET M (Age 48)
THOMPSON, MICHAEL D (Age 46)
THOMPSON, MIKE D
THOMPSON, FRANK D (Age 79)
THOMPSON, MIYOKO M (Age 77)
THOMPSON, JAMES L (Age 74)
THOMPSON, NORMAN D (Age 67)
THOMPSON, ILENE P (Age 48)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WILLIAMSON, LEON R (Age 73)



MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, PAUL M (Age 85)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, I
FEESER, TRACY D (Age 46)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M




MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)
FEESER, PAUL M





Possible Employment / Business Associations:

SUPERIOR ROOF CARE LLC Roofing, Siding, and Sheet Metal Work
SUPERIOR ROOF CARE, LLC
MCCLEARY, WA
BREMERTON, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, I
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)




MCCLEARY, WA
BREMERTON, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, I
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)
FEESER, PAUL M

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, BRANDON T (Age 47)
FEESER, I
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BIEKER, MAUREEN A (Age 43)
STEVENSON, JOSH R (Age 45)



GRAPEVIEW, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
ELMA, WA

Possible Relatives:

HENDERSON, BARBARA J (Age 59)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
HENDERSON, LONNIE G (Age 43)
HENDERSON, NOLAN GENE (Age 37)
HENDERSON, CHARLES LEONARD (Age 66)
HENDERSON, VELMA D (Age 63)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
PHILBRICK, KAREN L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, VERNA D



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, PAUL M




MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MARJORIE E (Age 82)
FEESER, RHONDA L (Age 60)
FEESER, HENRY A (Age 61)
FEESER, DWIGHT C (Age 57)
FEESER, GINGER L (Age 42)
HENDERSON, ANN M (Age 45)
FEESER, SHIRLEY (Age 54)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 12, 2009, 01:50:08 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:57:29 AM
this is getting complicated, too many feesers,

ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)

__________________

michael D feeser sex offender is born in 1973
would make him 36 now,
this one is 47.
so is the age on this off or is this someone else?
a relative with the same name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: demonKatt on July 12, 2009, 01:58:38 AM
I have to agree with doubledecker on Lora NOT going over to the creek.  It really isn't a good idea for anyone in the area to go out in the woods, trails creeks or wherever . (at least, not alone)..we don't know that the person who did this isn't following SM and/or other crime forums, and aware of your research.  Far better to be too paranoid, than not paranoid enough.  If any of you go walking around town, exploring, taking pics, whatever-please have someone yopu trust with you. I know you are all being careful, but at the same time, most of us leave online  'clues' unawares, that we could be traced by.  Just to be safe....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:59:36 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)

let me see if i can find out if walter webb is connected to woodard. 
I am beginning to wonder if some of these people are not involved in something together.  I haven't decided yet but it is starting to cross my mind. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:02:59 AM
I have to agree with doubledecker on Lora NOT going over to the creek.  It really isn't a good idea for anyone in the area to go out in the woods, trails creeks or wherever . (at least, not alone)..we don't know that the person who did this isn't following SM and/or other crime forums, and aware of your research.  Far better to be too paranoid, than not paranoid enough.  If any of you go walking around town, exploring, taking pics, whatever-please have someone yopu trust with you. I know you are all being careful, but at the same time, most of us leave online  'clues' unawares, that we could be traced by.  Just to be safe....

well, I am finding out a little bit more than I expected, but I have not confirmed a lot of it, but to be on the safe side, I don't think it a good idea to wander around in the woods and possibly stumble onto something you'd be better off not knowing. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:05:53 AM
a really quick look and I don't see a walter webb with any of these people or in the area, but like I said, it was a really quick look. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:08:14 AM
LORA if you are reading here, don't go out to that creek

Thank you for posting my message and getting me approved to post here.  I was shocked when I saw the names that had been posted her and recognized the Woodward name from the Lewis Co Jail site.  I had been looking at the inmate list a couple of days ago trying to see if a specific person was in jail.

I am wondering if they are all involved somehow.  I think that the George P Woodard is the same person that was released 1994 -Michael Freeser was released in 1992....I wonder if they are family or possibly met in prison.

This is a stretch but the missionary/forester with the Evergreen Christian Center -could he know these people because they do have a jail ministry program?

How can we find out where they both Freeser and Woodard served their time on previous crimes?  And also if Watne is involved in the jail outreach program and would know them.  (There is another person in the Lewis
Co jail Walter Webb with the same charges as Woodard)
I found two Walter Webb's but They are both listed as TX Sex Offenders...Do You have a Date of Birth?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:11:48 AM
The only Feeser that I have found listed as a sex offender is Michael and that is in all states.
 
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:15:02 AM
I checked Washington DOC for Walter Webb and came up empty for any convictions no Walter Webb's found! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:26:15 AM
this is going to get very confusing ugh we have 2 george woodards 20 years apart living in the same house, sarah is sarah woodard/feeser, not sure which is her married name(woodard or feeser) and we have a micheal d feeser with them who is 11 years older than the michael david feeser who is the sex offender.
so now to figure this mess out


FEESER, SARAH J (Age 32)

Associated names:

 WOODARD,  SARAH
ELMA, WA
SHELTON, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

FEESER, MICHAEL D (Age 47)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:36:49 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:37:05 AM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 02:39:21 AM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the Elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in Elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or chaperone's(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds around where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to
The kids do travel between Elma and mccleary alot. There is grays harbor transit that runs about every hour or so.
Yes the kids do all pretty much know eachother after the 5th grade. They have the choice to attend Elma middle
school and high school. The middle school starts in 6th grade in Elma and there is no high school in Mccleary.

  Elma has a Dance every Friday usually. I know the lady who runs it. Yes there are all ages there. She and my daughter just chaperoned the
last dance Ronda will do the night that Lindsey went missing.  Ronda's son just died a month ago of an overdose of his medication.
He went to school with my son. Austin Burrows was 19 years old. So there is another person who does the dance. He is a girlfriend
of mines father. He does it with his 16 year old granddaughter. She downloads the hip music and he makes sure everything runs smooth.
I myself would never put him on a suspect list as he is about 65 years old and is the local Santa. I mean really for 15 years he
has decorated his home with hundreds of lights and stands out handing out candy canes in his drive for the three days  before Christmas.
Him and his wife  also raise goats and take them to the fair every year. He has been a very dedicated man in our comunity for many years.
Besides he is rarely alone. He is either with his wife, his friend that helps him with the fair, or his daughter and grandkids.
But you can look at everyone including myself as far as I am concerned if it gets Lindsey home in the fastest possible time. :)
  As for rentinghouses I think they do credit checks for the most part, but i am sure there r some who don't.
Farm work is where the migrant workers go, and a nursery called Briggs. About a week ago there were 90 hispanics deported from there.
They also Peel bark and pick slou brush. I remember when my kids were young about 15 years ago there were fights in the woods over bark
and slou brush territory. A few were shot and killed in the woods over it.
  Camp grounds are at Shaffer state park. You must register but they do not check ID. Also RV parks there are 2 in Elma with lots of people
there all the time as I can tell.
 Fishing .... usually the chehalis River or Whynoochie River. The chehalis runs on the back part of our property.
There only few locked gates on log roads. Anyone can travel from town to town on the back log roads easy if they are not like mer and get lost at every turn :)
  I have not seen and hunting cabins around but..... there is a old logging comunity way out in the woods called Saginaw's.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411&imgrefurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411%26CISOBOX%3D1%26REC%3D7&usg=__w1z4t7E0YOGmtBSmgBREkVOcsqU=&h=618&w=768&sz=105&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=_ZsTJbrWhanQwM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaginaw%2527s%2Blog%2Bcamp%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26um%3D1
http://www.historicbrooklyntavern.com/saginaw.htm



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:41:45 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 12, 2009, 02:43:48 AM
a really quick look and I don't see a walter webb with any of these people or in the area, but like I said, it was a really quick look. 

Walter George Webb age 39.  Arrested on or about June 1st 2009.  Has not yet been convicted so most likely would not show up in SO Registry unless he had a previous record?

Father is Walter L Webb  Age 74, Mother Wanda Age 74 and sister is also Wanda.  I happen to know who his father is, that is why I looked to see what he was in jail for.  I thought at first it was the Dad - so I did some searching.  I found a small article in the Olympian Newspaper and a people search showed he has lived in Olympia, Tumwater and Chehalis Washington. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:43:51 AM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)

up there in your post is
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557


that would be the 10 block of elma hicklin road so that is the address of the sex offender michael david feeser, so they are related somehow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:46:15 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: hotping on July 12, 2009, 02:50:43 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::
Oops..typing names wrong Freeser s/b Feeser......I'm going to call it a night...I'll check in tomorrow to see if I can do anything to help....

Good Night Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:54:50 AM
a thought, the michael d feeser age 47 in the data base for some reason might have the age off by 10 years, could be a typo when they entered the info. if so, then it would be he is really 37 and he would be the right age for the sex offender one.  he would also be about right to be married to sarah j woodard/feeser as she is 33 and he would then be 4 years older than she is.  being these people are listed at the 10 block of elma hilkins road it has to be the same house as the sex offender is listed at.  so I am wonder and thinking the age in the database is off.

I need a marriage record for sarah j woodard and michael d feeser and see what age he really is.  I believe they are married and the georges are her brother and father. 

let me go dig


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:56:45 AM
I am guessing here but I am beginning to think
sarah j woodward married michael d feeser
the two george woodwards listed with them are her brother and her father.(20 years apart in age)
this is just a guess.

so who is this michael d feeser.  He is only 11 yrs older than the sex offender michael david feeser, so it is not his father, maybe a cousin or uncle?
I'm thinking that the Micheal D Freeser that is listed as 47 is probably a typo and it is really the Michael Freeser that is 36....I find this all the time on different research sites such as private eye, searchbug, and switchboard.  ::MonkeyWink::
Oops..typing names wrong Freeser s/b Feeser......I'm going to call it a night...I'll check in tomorrow to see if I can do anything to help....

Good Night Monkeys!  ::MonkeyAngel::

haha we are thinkig the very same thing about the age, a typo error.  yes I think we will find we are right about this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 02:59:48 AM
thank you for all of that info madibabe, I just did not want to quote that post and have all that repost LOL
it helps a lot to know all these things, gives us more ideas what is going on in the area and where we might look etc.  I am so tired right now I can't even comment but will tomorrow.  my brain is spun  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:15:12 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Can you see if this george has been married before and divorced?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:24:38 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:25:50 AM
I have to go to sleep ugh, making a note here so I don't forget to look at this tomrrow
dwight feeser grays harbor county appealing a murder change for murder of brian sheets.
http://www.courts.wa.gov/content/Briefs/A02/339617%20appellant.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:28:04 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Can you see if this george has been married before and divorced?

normally I can find them, sometimes I can't .  I am having a hard time with this family but that is normal when you get into a family of convicted criminals, they change names etc and it makes it hard to find things, but I will look tomorro, right noow i have to go to sleep, I am dead tired.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:30:27 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks

yes email me and I will look it up tomorow, I am getting reading to head to sleep, just as soon as I read these last few posts. 

keysring@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:31:48 AM
okay I am off to sleep, see you all tomorrow. thanks for all the help from everyone and the new people. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 03:43:23 AM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Investigators to work on missing girl case


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.

Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to P.O. Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557.
http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808118.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 04:20:27 AM
I am trying to get a little understanding of the area as I know little tiny towns do things a little differently that larger towns people would do.

for instance... do the kids in McCleary go back and for to Elma a lot, are they all friends as well?  Is there a bus that goes back and for and are kids known to go visit.  so are the Elma kids in mccleary a lot and the mccleary kids over in Elma a lot?  When I lived in a tiny little town the kids were over in the town 12 miles away, back and forth as much as they were in their own town. 

another thing, being little towns, do you see a lot of the younger kids hanging out with the older ones?  where I use to live they did this all the time, it was not unusual for the younger kids to be hanging out with the teenagers.  Is that normal there as well?

are there local "hangouts" where most of these kids go.  Is there a dance in Elma where younger kids might go as well as the teens?  Do they allow younger kids in the dance?  and who sponsors these dances or chaperone's(spelling) them. 


Is it pretty easy to rent houses in the area without credit checks etc, or without someone having to prove who they really are?  also it there a lot of turnover of people moving in and out of the area. 

Is there any kind of "seasonal" work around the area which might bring in people from out of the area?  if so, what? when. 

are there campgrounds around where people come to stay?

if someone were to go fishing what are the most likely places? 

are there locked gates in the forested area, where only the loggers of owners can get through? 

are there old hunting cabins around? 

I looked on mining maps for mines, gravel pits that sort of thing where there might be old buildings where no one ever goes anymore, do you know where anything like that might be.  is there a known mining district in the area?  I found a LOT of pits listed on of mining maps, but I don't know what "kind" of pits these are, some I know are gravel pits and quarries, but there are others with just state they are closed pits/mines.  what do they mine in the area.

Is there any kind of crops they pick around the area that would draw migratory workers to the area?  if so, what, when.

sorry for all of the questions but if I can know these things it really helps me to think and also pull up stuff on old maps we have access to
The kids do travel between Elma and mccleary alot. There is grays harbor transit that runs about every hour or so.
Yes the kids do all pretty much know eachother after the 5th grade. They have the choice to attend Elma middle
school and high school. The middle school starts in 6th grade in Elma and there is no high school in Mccleary.

  Elma has a Dance every Friday usually. I know the lady who runs it. Yes there are all ages there. She and my daughter just chaperoned the
last dance Ronda will do the night that Lindsey went missing.  Ronda's son just died a month ago of an overdose of his medication.
He went to school with my son. Austin Burrows was 19 years old. So there is another person who does the dance. He is a girlfriend
of mines father. He does it with his 16 year old granddaughter. She downloads the hip music and he makes sure everything runs smooth.
I myself would never put him on a suspect list as he is about 65 years old and is the local Santa. I mean really for 15 years he
has decorated his home with hundreds of lights and stands out handing out candy canes in his drive for the three days  before Christmas.
Him and his wife  also raise goats and take them to the fair every year. He has been a very dedicated man in our comunity for many years.
Besides he is rarely alone. He is either with his wife, his friend that helps him with the fair, or his daughter and grandkids.
But you can look at everyone including myself as far as I am concerned if it gets Lindsey home in the fastest possible time. :)
  As for rentinghouses I think they do credit checks for the most part, but i am sure there r some who don't.
Farm work is where the migrant workers go, and a nursery called Briggs. About a week ago there were 90 hispanics deported from there.
They also Peel bark and pick slou brush. I remember when my kids were young about 15 years ago there were fights in the woods over bark
and slou brush territory. A few were shot and killed in the woods over it.
  Camp grounds are at Shaffer state park. You must register but they do not check ID. Also RV parks there are 2 in Elma with lots of people
there all the time as I can tell.
 Fishing .... usually the chehalis River or Whynoochie River. The chehalis runs on the back part of our property.
There only few locked gates on log roads. Anyone can travel from town to town on the back log roads easy if they are not like mer and get lost at every turn :)
  I have not seen and hunting cabins around but..... there is a old logging comunity way out in the woods called Saginaw's.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411&imgrefurl=http://content.lib.washington.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php%3FCISOROOT%3D/clarkkinsey%26CISOPTR%3D1411%26CISOBOX%3D1%26REC%3D7&usg=__w1z4t7E0YOGmtBSmgBREkVOcsqU=&h=618&w=768&sz=105&hl=en&start=2&um=1&tbnid=_ZsTJbrWhanQwM:&tbnh=114&tbnw=142&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsaginaw%2527s%2Blog%2Bcamp%26hl%3Den%26rls%3Dcom.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox%26rlz%3D1I7GGLJ%26um%3D1
http://www.historicbrooklyntavern.com/saginaw.htm


I just re read your post and yes about 25 percent of the log roads are locked and loggers or owners have access. I see what you are getting at. also I don't see many kids hanging out with a big age difference maybe a few years but as I have seen 8,9,10.11, and maybe 12 year olds hang out but that might be a bit of a stretch.  Also there is a mill called Murphy company and it has a Little comunity called whitestar or whites by it . the mill was Weyerhauser 2 years ago between Elma and mccleary. My husband has worked there4 for 18 years. There is a big water think on the hill behind it also. The houses around it are mostly run down and its secluded.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 05:31:14 AM
The Freesers are Tweekers. At least most of them. There is a son of I think Rhonda that is not into drugs, but otherwise even the mother is last I knew. I went to school with Tracy Feeser who died at the brady boat lonch after diving in and breaking his neck. Very sad story really as Ronda was pregnant and they were high school sweethearts.  But there family is all messed up now.   I hear of them often causing some kind of trouble.  Hey Double decker if I email you a name can you look him up and tell me what you find as I do not want to post for my own pertection on this one.  Thanks

yes email me and I will look it up tomorow, I am getting reading to head to sleep, just as soon as I read these last few posts. 

keysring@yahoo.com
I just got info on the feesers I had forgotten. Someone refreshed my memory and it might be of intrest, at least I think its very interesting.



                                            FACTS



       On May 5, 2005, Dwight Cletus Feeser shot and killed his friend Brian Sheets during an



argument.  The shooting occurred  at the home  of  Michael Feeser,  Dwight  Feeser's nephew,



where both Dwight Feeser and Sheets resided. 



       The State charged Feeser with  second  degree  murder by intentional killing, or in the



alternative, second degree felony murder in furtherance of second degree assault.  Feeser did not



challenge the sufficiency of the information below.  At trial, Feeser asserted self-defense. 



       The trial court  gave  the jury  alternative "to convict" instructions for second  degree



murder:  intentional killing and felony murder by causing death in furtherance of second degree



assault. Feeser did not challenge these instructions. The jury found Feeser guilty of second degree



murder. 



       At sentencing, the trial court noted that Feeser had four prior felony convictions:  (1)



unlawful taking of a motor vehicle in 1969, (2) unlawful taking of a motor vehicle in 1974, (3)

grand larceny in 1977, and (4) unlawful possession of a firearm in the second degree in 1997.2 



The State conceded that the 1974 unlawful-motor-vehicle-taking conviction and 1977 grand



1 In re Pers. Restraint of Cadwallader, 155 Wn.2d 867, 123 P.3d 456 (2005).



2 In its Brief of  Respondent, the State notes and attaches copies of Feeser's two prior

misdemeanor convictions, which occurred within five years of his 1997 firearm conviction and,

therefore, served as the basis for the State's unchallenged assertion that Feeser's 1997 firearm

conviction did not wash out under  RCW 9.94A.525(2).   These misdemeanor convictions,

however, are not part of the record on appeal; nor, apparently, were they part of the record in the

trial court. 



                                               2



33961-7-II



larceny conviction3 "washed out" under RCW 9.94A.525. The State asserted, and Feeser did not



object or request further proof, that Feeser's 1997 firearm possession did not wash out.   Both



Feeser and the State determined the same standard range sentence, 134-234 months, which the



State, at least, had derived from an offender score of one based on Feeser's 1997 conviction.



       Based on this same 1997 felony, the trial court also calculated an offender score of 1,



which yielded the same  standard  sentencing  range.  The trial court sentenced Feeser to 234


months confinement for his second degree murder conviction,  with an additional  60-month


That was the body I was speaking of that was found in mullins creek a few years ago.
 Here are some other tings I came accross
http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4195256.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003074889_dige21m.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 07:14:51 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::
SO TIRED!!!!

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=939685&Name=ASHLEY, THOMAS &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=884340&Name=JONES, CHRISTOPHER STERLING&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=307175&Name=CARLSON, CHRISTOPHER GARY&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=997122&Name=ARNOLD, JAMES WILLIAM&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=628422&Name=WORMELL, DAVID ALLEN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=327433&Name=GILLIAM, JOSHUA GERALD&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=799740&Name=LINDSEY, CARL WILLIAM&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=306427&Name=GOMEZ, ELVIN ACEVEDO&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=993191&Name=JOHNSON, JOHN LEE&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=958253&Name=FORNAH, GEORGE BAI&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=811758&Name=KUHLMAN, TERRY TY&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=826792&Name=JOE, WILLIAM DEAN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=806744&Name=MAGANA, ANARBOL MENDOZA&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=285445&Name=PETERSON, MICHAEL EUGENE&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=892030&Name=GUTIERREZ, MANUEL RAYA&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=865430&Name=MATHIS, KURTIS JOHN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=872561&Name=CALDERON, ADRIAN &type=s

this one is close to Mccleary....
http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=713004&Name=BARR, BRADLEY &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=766012&Name=ARDELEAN, CIPRIAN SORIN&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=286736&Name=WILLOYA, LARS P&type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=872561&Name=CALDERON, ADRIAN &type=s

http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=827962&Name=MASSINGILL, JOHN E&type=s

another close one
http://www.doc.wa.gov/mostwanted/Offender.aspx?DocNum=925644&Name=BEGGLEY, JACOB STEPHEN&type=s

Or this guy . I wander how easy it is to work in the Mccleary school

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=35256


Ok I am so tired. you guys can go look at the rest I keep knodding off. For sure sleeping in tomorrow LOL  ttyt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 07:18:40 AM
OK I lied just one more thing I forgot to mention... The feeser fgamily used to own a home by the mill My husband works at. White star comunity oddonal ave elma wa 98541 just dont know the number. Anyway they know that area very well. ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 08:07:54 AM
I am not nearly as talented as the monkeys in this cage, but I want to let you know how impressed I am.  I hope this research is not leading down the right path, however, because if it is---it does not look good for Lindsey.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

It is hard for me to believe that someone can murder/rape a child and then be released back onto the streets to do it once again.  It happens much more than I thought it did.

traci


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 12, 2009, 10:43:02 AM
I am not nearly as talented as the monkeys in this cage, but I want to let you know how impressed I am.  I hope this research is not leading down the right path, however, because if it is---it does not look good for Lindsey.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 

It is hard for me to believe that someone can murder/rape a child and then be released back onto the streets to do it once again.  It happens much more than I thought it did.

traci
I second your post, I would have no idea how you investigate all you do, but thanks, am very impressed with what I'm reading, and also sick about what may have happened to Lindsey. Unbelievable what is walking our streets  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 10:55:11 AM
madibabe, thanks for that info on dwight feeser, that is about the same thing I left myself a note to look up before I went to bed last night. now it really is something that brian sheets, the person dwight was charged for the murder of, was found in the Jim Mullin Creek.  I would love to know where at on that creek his body was found.  Also thanks for the "Whites" location info that the Feesers once lived there and know that area.  I will search on a topo map and see what I see there.  I have noticed the "whites" "town" on the map before, but never looked around there.

I will also find out today how related dwight is to the rest of the feesers etc, I need to figure out a lot about this whole family and see just how many of them are doing something and their connections to the mullin creek area.  we figured out last night that the woodwards, georges and sarah J woodard/feeser is connected to the address on elma hickson(or whatever the name of that road is) where the sex offender michael david feeser was listed, and we figure he is the same one listed with sarah and the georges woodards but his age is an error in the basic database; and I will try to find a doc today to see if that is really him or not.  most likely it is, but might not be so I will look for docs to confirm or not.

I have "home chores" to do every morning, I have to get to work on them and will pop in here between them, but I won't be able to look up a lot of stuff until I am through withi is around 10:30-12 noon ugh, but then I will get back on this. 

as with all theories or possibilities, I just look up stuff and go from there, I still am not stuck on any person of interest any of us have thought of, this is just one more in a long list of possibilities; however, I have some UNCONFIRMED info that I feel makes it very important to consider these people and to dig up what we can.  It might be nothing at all, but then again some of these people really fit the profile for abductining a child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 11:48:13 AM
I don't know yet if this is the same dwight feeser who killed brian sheets but this one is listed at church street address as some of the others above in this thread, I will get this sorted out today

Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 11:49:37 AM
Name: Ann M Feeser
Birth Date: May 1964
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 12, 2009, 11:56:38 AM
on that long list of feesers I posted a few posts back, I find many of them at this other address in mccleary
I won't post all the names, but they are all at this address too, so they must all be related, and now this one has this business listed as well.  I remember seeing this business listed with something I had posted about somewhere but I can't remember where.

847 ELMA MCCLEARY MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC Motor Vehicle Dealers (New and Used)


_______________________

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Olympia, WA
MARCH, EDGAR
(AGENT)     

GOOD GUYS USED CARS LLC
 Aberdeen, WA
Olympia, WA
 MARCH, EDGAR
(REGISTERED AGENT)
BAYDO ENTERPRISES, INC
THE BAYDOLAND COMPANY

Kara,do you know where Melissa bought her car and when?Could you ask please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:43:54 PM
this is rhonda feeser - she is listed with the other feesers.  this will help us figure out who this family is and who they are connected to and where they might have addresses

Roni Feeser

Former Port Orchard resident Rhonda ""Roni"" Feeser, 51, of McCleary died of antilymphocytic syndrome (Lou Gehrig's disease) April 1, 2001, at Columbia Capital Medical Center in Olympia.

She was born May 26, 1949, in Port Orchard to Kenneth and Maxine (Solid) Boyer. She graduated in 1967 from South Kitsap High School and in 1994 from South Puget Sound Community College in Olympia.
my note, isn't there a boyer SO listed that is not accounted for his whereabouts?  or do I have that mixed up.

She married Henry ""Hank"" Feeser on Dec. 6, 1975, in Bremerton.

She was a security systems technician and monitor at Naval Hospital Bremerton for 15 years. She was retired.

Mrs. Feeser enjoyed gardening and making dollhouses and miniature furniture.

Survivors include her husband; two sons, Shane of Lacey and Brandon of Elma; a daughter, Ginger of McCleary; her parents, Kenneth and Maxine Boyer of Port Orchard; a sister, Jacque Morris of Port Orchard; and one grandson.

A memorial service will be at 1 p.m. April 14 at Whiteside Family Mortuary in Elma. Memorial donations may be made to The ALS Association, 27001 Agoura Road, Suite 150, Calabasas Hills, CA 91301-5104.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
FEESER, BRANDON TODD Male,  Age: 36   
  ID:902





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Book-No Statute:   69.50.000 - VUCSA Felony
118676 Offense:   CSSO - Cont Substance/Sale/Manu/Other
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHSO-Sheriff`s Office
8/13/1999 03:48  Court:   -
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
8/13/1999 16:35 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   10.99.040 - Vio NCO-DV
123054 Offense:   VICO - Violation of Court Order
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/17/2000 19:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
9/19/2000 12:00 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   9A.76.020 - Obstruct Law Enforcement Off
123054 Offense:   OBST - Obstructing Justice
 Arrest Type:   CIT
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/17/2000 19:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $250.00 
9/19/2000 12:00 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   9A.36.041 - Assault 4
123054 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
9/19/2000 12:00  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $1,050.00 
9/19/2000 17:15 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   10.99.040 - Vio NCO-DV
125037 Offense:   VICO - Violation of Court Order
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   WSPH-Washington State Patrol-Hoq
3/30/2001 07:40  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $300.00 
3/30/2001 16:11 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   9A.76.020 - Obstruct Law Enforcement Off
125037 Offense:   OBST - Obstructing Justice
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   WSPH-Washington State Patrol-Hoq
3/30/2001 07:40  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $300.00 
3/30/2001 16:10 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
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Book-No Statute:   9A.56.040 - Theft 2
125097 Offense:   TPOT - Theft, Property, Other
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   ELPD-Elma Police Department
4/2/2001 16:30  Court:   -
Released  Bail Amount:   No Bail 
4/3/2001 16:00 Disposition:   PSP-Pending Submission/Prosecutor
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.401(e) - VUCSA Possess Marij 40 gr/less
154955 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/14/2007 17:00  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
4/14/2007 17:15 Disposition:   BRL-Booked and Release
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Book-No Statute:   9A.82.050(2) - Trafficking Stolen Property 1
170269 Offense:   WARA - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
2/18/2009 16:25  Court:   DC1-Grays Harbor District Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
2/22/2009 14:25 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:54:16 PM
okay looks like Michael is Dwight's nephew and this shooting occured at Michaels home and brian sheets was living there too.  What were they fighting over?

In May, 2005, the defendant was living with his girlfriend, Fonda Dent, in a motor home parked next to his nephew, Michael Feeser's, house. The victim, Brian Sheets, also lived on the premises in a small trailer. (RP 16-17). In the afternoon of May 5, 2005, Michael Feeser came home from work and was met as he got out of his car by Fonda Dent who told him that the defendant and Brian Sheets were fighting in the house. Michael Feeser went into the house and found the defendant and Sheets arguing and shoving at each other in the kitchen of the house. (RP 19-20). Michael Feeser got between the two men in an effort to break up the fight and in the process, was struck once in the head by Brian Sheets. (RP 21-22). Michael Feeser thought he had gotten the two men calmed down and then left to go into his bedroom to change his clothes. While he was in the bedroom, he heard the defendant and Sheets begin to argue again. (RP 25-26). Michael Feeser changed his clothes. While he was leaving his bedroom, he heard a gunshot. He ran into the living room and saw the defendant standing with a gun in his right hand and Sheets laying on the porch just outside of the front door. (RP 27-28). Michael Feeser also saw blood splatter in the living room area of his house and heard the defendant say something indicating that now he had to clean this mess up. Michael Feeser then ran out of the house, jumped into his truck and immediately
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drove into the nearest town where he flagged down a police officer and reported the shooting. (RP 29-30). An autopsy conducted on Brian Sheets' body revealed that the victim died as a result of a single gunshot wound to the chest. (RP 251- 253). Testing by the Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory indicated that the fatal shot had been fired from a distance of 12 to 36 inches from the victim. (RP 300). The defendant was charged with Second Degree Murder by the intentional killing of Brian Sheets or in the alternative, causing the death of Brian Sheets in the course of or and in furtherance of the crime of Assault in the Second Degree. (CP 1-3). The defendant did not challenge the sufficiency of the Information or the adequacies of the to convict jury instructions for intentional Second Degree Murder and Second Felony Murder which was submitted to the jury in the form of WPIC 27.02 and WPIC 27.04. At trial, the defendant testified that he had armed himself with the .410 sawed-off shotgun to intimidate or scare the victim, Brian Sheets. (RP 3 12-3 13). The defendant also admitted that he shot the victim once in the chest with the .410 sawed-off shotgun, but claimed that the shot was fired in self-defense. (RP 306-307). The defendant was found guilty by the jury and was sentenced by the court on October 10, 2005. (CP 4-9


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 12:56:55 PM
On May 5,2005, the defendant was living in a motor home with his girlfriend, Fonda Dent, next to the house owned by his nephews Michael and James Feeser. Brian Sheets, the 7 victim, also lived or, the premises in a smal! travel traiier. The defendant was apparently related to the victim by mamage and had known the victim for a number of years. The two men had lived together from time-to-time in the past. Some time around 4 p.m. or shortly thereafter on May 5,2005, the victim shouted from the house out to the motor home that the defendant owed him $50. The defendant disputed the amount of the debt and left the motor home and went into the house where an argument began between the two men. The argument was still going on when Michael Feeser anived home from work at approximately 4:30 p.m. that afternoon. The argument escalated from a loud argument to a physical confrontation as Michael Feeser entered the house. Michael Feeser saw the victim and the defendant at each other's throats in the kitchen area of the house and immediately got between the two men in an attempt to break it up. In the course of breaking up the physical fight, Michael Feeser got hit once in the head around the eye by the victim. Michael Feeser was certain that the blow was not intended for him but had been aimed the defendant. Neither the defendant or the victim were armed. Michael Feeser told the two of them to "knock it off or get out of his house and off his property." The defendant then left the house and Michael Feeser continued to talk to the victim in the kitchen area. The defendant then returned with a sawed-off shotgun and declared that the victim "didn't know who he was f-ing with" and that "I could kill you." Michael Feeser again interceded to calm the situation down and then went into his room to change out of his work clothes. A short time later after he had changed his clothes, as he was coming out of his STATEMENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -2- H. STEWARD MENEFEE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY GRAYS HARBOR COUNT{ COURNOUSE 102 VEST BROADWAY ROOM 702 UONTESANO VIASHINGTON 98563
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$ bedroom, he heard a gunshot coming from the living room area of the house. Michael Feeser ran ) down the hallway into the living room where he saw the defendant standing holding a sawed-off 1 .4 10 shotgun and he saw the victim lying on the porch just outside the doorway. As Michael 7 Feeser was coming down the hallway into the living room, he saw Fonda Dent in the living room 3 and heard her say words to the effect, "Oh my God, he shot him." Michael Feeser then ran over and saw a large apparent gunshot wound the victim's chest and blood on the floor just inside the doorway and on the porch. It was clear to Michael Feeser that the victim, Brian Sheets, was dead. Michael Feeser then left, driving directly into McCleary where he flagged down a McCleary police officer and reported the shooting. Shortly after Michael Feeser left, the defendant slapped Fonda Dent and told her to calm down and threatened to kill her and her family if she told anyone about the shooting. The defendant then gave Fonda Dent the shotgun and told her to put it up in the Oldsmobile. While she was doing that, the defendant got a plastic tarp and covered the body on the porch. Shortly after this took place, Marjorie Feeser arrived unexpectedly while the defendant was attempting to hose off the porch area to wash the blood away. Fonda Dent asked Marjorie Feeser to take her into McCleary to the bank. They both left the residence and went into the town of McCleary. A few minutes after Marjorie Feeser left, Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived. When Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived, the defendant was still hosing down the porch and ramp area of the house to eliminate the blood. They asked the defendant what had taken place. The defendant told them there had been a fight and that he had busted Brian Sheets in the face, splitting open his nose and causing the large amount of blood that Hank and Ginger Feeser were observing on the porch and ramp area of the house. The defendant denied that there had been a shooting and told both Hank and Ginger Feeser that Michael Feeser and the victim had left the H. STEWARD hlENEFEE STATELVENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -3-
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premises. Hank and Ginger Feeser then left the premises and went back to their house on Church Road. Shortly after they left, the police arrived and placed the defendant into custody. The defendant initially told police officer that there had not been a shooting, that there simply had been a fight and that Brian Sheets had left walking away from the house through the backyard. As officers searched the premises, they discovered the body of Brian Sheets wrapped in plastic tarps in a wheelbarrow at the back of the house. Officers also discovered a .410 shotgun under the seat of an Oldsmobile located on the premises. Fonda Dent and Michael Feeser both identified the shotgun as being the shotgun the defendant had used to shoot the victim. An autopsy revealed that the victim had been killed by a single .410 gunshot wound to the chest, which had tom open his aorta and pulmonary artery, damaged the left lung and disintegrated one of the victim's ribs. The Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory analysis estimated distance from muzzle to wound to be more than 1 foot and less than 3 feet, most probably somewhere about 2 feet in distance. The gun was so close to the victim's chest that the wadding from the shotgun shell was found embedded in the wound area


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:01:36 PM
hmmm page 26 in the previous post states brian sheets was found in the wheelbarrow at the back of the house.  so this is not the body found in Mullin's creek

madibabe, can you try to figure out who the other body was that was found in mullin creek?  this is not the right guy ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 01:13:48 PM
well from the court records we find out that michael david Feeser is the nephew of Dwight Feerer
that Henry "hand" feeser and ginger live on church street and are related.
Marjorie feeser if somehow related.

briand sheets use to live at michael feeser's house in a little trailer
Fonda dent was the gf of dwight feeser and they lived there in a motorhome
someone owned an oldsmobile

this is all in may of 2005, 4 years ago, so not that long ago. 

so now let me go look at which address and feesers the same last name of the girl on myspace is living with/at.  see if they are related to this girl, and if she would have had any contact with the feesers/michael feeser. 


I find it interesting a sex offender would run and flag down the police to tell them about a murder his relative just comitted


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:02:14 PM
my eyes are closing again ugh. this case is wearing me out.  let me rest and I will get back here and find out how the SO feeser is connected to one of the myspace girls, this isjust crazy. and then the other one appears to have a family member in the news helping to find lindsey.  what is wrong with that town grrr

I found one in La Grande OR that had a melt down in a Denny's because he was charged for substituting hash browns for eggs.  I am sure he is not the same as the ages are wrong, but wow.

hmmm how far off is the age?

I just pulled him up again and realized his last name is FESSER not FEESER.  The article is here though.  He was 24 in '95 so that would make him 37/38.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Z4EUAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bgMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3591,607928&dq=denny%27s+substituting+hash+browns+for+eggs


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 03:12:32 PM
I bet that a rumar was started that they found the body in the creek. He was probably going to put it in the creek, or because the house is behind the creek someone could have pointed in that direction saying that is where they found Brian Sheets body and they took it as in the creek. It is intresting thow. Actualy i had Ronda mixed up with jackie. She is the mother of Tracy Feeser. From what i have been told he is a good kid, but the rest of them are into drugs and other things.
Feeser, Jacqueline Renee

6Do you know of this web site?

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.home


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:14:37 PM
Looks like to Me there are two George Woodards probably father and son... ::MonkeyWink::


WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 43)

Associated names:

 WOODARD, GEORGE P
 WOODARD, GEORGE T
 WOODRD, GEORGE   484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2440 Timberlake Dr, SHELTON, WA 98584
617 Hayes St, TUMWATER, WA 98512
1041 85th Ave, OLYMPIA, WA 98501
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
566 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 Not Avail, MONTESANO, WA 
 Agean Ct, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
 70 #566, MCCLEARY, WA 98557  07/28/1965
Possible Relatives:

FEESERWOODARD, SARAH J

Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WOODARD, GEORGE (Age 64)



 WOODARD, GEORGE  (Age 63)  2515 Pearl St, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
484 PO Box, MCCLEARY, WA 98557
1015 Oakhurst Dr #23, ELMA, WA 98541
2515 Pearl St #A, CENTRALIA, WA 98531
2515 Pearl St #14, CENTRALIA, WA 98531   07/28/1945Possible Roommates / Associates:

FEESER, SARAH J (Age 33)
WODDARD, GEORGE P (Age 44)

up there in your post is
15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557


that would be the 10 block of elma hicklin road so that is the address of the sex offender michael david feeser, so they are related somehow.

15 Elma Hicklin Rd, MCCLEARY, WA 98557

Owner   FEESER JAMES P & FEESER MICHAEL  File Updated   7/12/2009   10:05
Address   15 W ELMA HICKLIN RD  Location   T 18 R 05 Sec 02
   MCCLEARY , WA 98557
Date Of Sale   Excise No    Price    Instr.    Type 
9/3/2004          E169701     $0.00      QD      01
9/28/2004          E170088     $0.00      QD      01

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/DetailParcel.asp?SrchParcelNo=180502140040



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:20:58 PM
I don't know yet if this is the same dwight feeser who killed brian sheets but this one is listed at church street address as some of the others above in this thread, I will get this sorted out today

Name: Dwight C Feeser
Birth Date: Jul 1951
Address: 23 Church Rd, McCleary, Washington 98557-0801 (1993)


Washington Court of Appeals ReportsSTATE v. FEESER, 138 Wn. App. 737 (2007)No. 33961-7-II.May 22, 2007.

¶1 — Dwight C. Feeser appeals his conviction and sentence for second degree murder while armed with a deadly weapon. He argues that (1) the information was insufficient, (2) the instructions improperly relieved the State of its burden of proof because they failed to require the jury to find absence of premeditation as an element of second degree murder, (3) the felony murder statute unconstitutionally violates the separation of powers doctrine because it leaves the courts to provide a definition for the underlying felony "assault," and (4) the sentencing court should not have used an offender score of 1, based on his 1997 prior felony conviction, because the record does not include his post-1997 misdemeanors, which the State contends prevented this conviction from "washing out" under RCW 9.94A.525(2). We affirm Feeser's conviction and, based on Cadwallader,[fn1] vacate his sentence and remand for resentencing.

http://www.loislaw.com/ogpc/login.htp?WSRet=12&dockey=20489734@WAAPP&OLDURL=/gpc/index.htp&OLDREFURL=http%3A//news.google.ca/archivesearch%3Fq%3Dfeeser%2Bwashington%26hl%3Den%26ned%3Dca%26scoring%3Da


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:26:53 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:33:38 PM
okay I think we can pretty much conclued the sex offender michael david feeser is related to the feesers on church street and some of the other mccleary addresses. 

There is the last name of someone living with the feesers who shares that last name with one of the girls on myspace who we have been looking at and is connected to some of the other myspace friends of lindsey.

I need to go try to see if this girl is related to this person living with the relatives of the sex offender.  We know michael david feeser is a sex offender in this family.  we also are pretty sure the george woodard living with feeser is a child rapist but have we determined 100% that is the same george?  I was so tired last night I cant remember if we matched him up or not; did we?   if he connects to this same family we have two in the immediate family /household.  and if this person with the same last name as the girl on myspace is related to her then we have this girls relative living with these feesers and connected to two sex offenders.  could this girl be in contact with these sex offenders and could Lindsey and friends of this girl all been around where they had contact with these people?  this is my concern. 

so let me go check to see if I can figure out if this girl is connected.  I don't want to put her name out here so I can't say who the person is with the same last name or it will be saying who the girl is, and she don't need to have that put out here and have to live with that mess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:34:57 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:39:29 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.

from what I have found - Ginger is daughrer of Hank and Roni.  She has a brother Shane who lived in Lacey , and a brother Brandon who lived in Elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:45:05 PM
1. Drug use suspected in crash that hurts 4
June 11, 2004 •• 280 words •• ID: oly2004061117338448
THE OLYMPIAN A Tenino man who authorities suspect was impaired by illegal drugs caused a seriousinjury collision Thursday morning on Old Highway 99, the Washington State Patrol alleged. Brian V. Conrad, 30, of Tenino was arrested on suspicion of vehicular assault due to the serious injuries caused to his passenger, Ginger L. Feeser, 24, of McCleary, troopers said. Feeser was in serious condition Thursday night at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle. The State Patrol received....   

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=OLPB&s_site=theolympian&f_site=theolympian&f_sitename=Olympian%2C+The+%28WA%29&p_multi=OLPB&p_theme=gannett&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1032C669209DB357&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

hmm wonder if this is the same ginger who went to the house, or a daugher, kind of young but could be her. but either way most likely the same family.

from what I have found - Ginger is daughrer of Hank and Roni.  She has a brother Shane who lived in Lacey , and a brother Brandon who lived in Elma.

ok so if she was 24 in 2004 at the time of the wreck then she is 24-25 at the time of the murder when she went over to michael feesers when dwight feeser shot brian sheets.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:50:34 PM
let me add a bit more info (NOT CONFIRMED, but no reason for me to think someone is lying)

I am told by a local that some weird things were going on around Mullin's Creek and it was connected to one of the Feesers.  I really can't say more than this because I feel it could be potentially dangerous for the person telling me.  They also did not see this themself but a family member did.  So I have to get more info about that.  But what I have been told makes me want to dig into this really quickly because I believe if it has anything at all to do with anything, we don't want to fool around and have the end of July come on us. 

I also would like someone to put all of this info in some report fashion and see it to the feds.  I just don't like contacting police/LE.  (personal reasons, and no I am not wanted by the law ::MonkeyDevil::)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
Best bear stew anywhere
BY JACOB JONES
The Daily World
Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:45 AM PDT

The spicy aroma of sizzling bear stew swept through the shady patches of Beerbower Park in McCleary much of Saturday as thousands turned out for the 50th Annual Bear Festival.

The smiling, sunburned and famished lined up at narrow makeshift wooden tables, standing as they scooped spoonfuls of stew and beans.

They munched watermelon with juice running down their cheeks. They chewed buttered rolls, dipping them to soak up leftover stew. The sun shined overhead.

“We’re really pleased with the turnout,” said Susan Strong, a festival committee member, as she sold festival buttons in the shade.

Strong estimated more than 2,500 buttons had been sold. The $2 buttons paid for a plate of stew and side dishes. The line for food formed quickly and stretched far across the parking lot.

Saturday’s festivities started with the kiddie parade, quickly followed by the grand parade. Strong said almost 50 groups march through the streets with clowns, bands and classic cars.

“It was a great parade,” she said.

The lively music and bright sunshine swept away much of the cloud that has hung over the small town recently. Many enjoyed the festivities, but could not forget 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared from just a few blocks away two weeks ago.
 

Several volunteers passed out fliers to people coming through town and asked for donations for Baum’s family.


Strong looked around at hundreds slurping sno-cones and nibbling elephant ears, The festival had gone smoothly, though fewer children attended the kid’s day events on Friday.

With the end of the 50th festival, she said the planning committee will start looking forward to next year. They can always use more volunteers.

http://**/articles/2009/07/12/local_news/doc4a5984c38ecb9094362769.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:53:42 PM
ps. I would like to see this info go to the feds not only the local pd, and maybe not even to the local pd.  we have a lot of people included in this research and we really don't know who is who concerning their status in the community. Also, they might not understand any of this and not dig into it; on the other hand I believe the feds would understand it, at least some of them will.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 12, 2009, 03:53:59 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 03:55:17 PM
Kara are you reading this?  Maybe you can pass the info on? or someone?  let me go see if that girl connects to these people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 04:03:38 PM
DD,
I know you are working very hard and it is much appreciated by all, but don't get yourself in trouble.  These do not sound like nice people and who knows, there maybe drugs or something else going on....
Sorry, just concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:07:18 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.

hi sister, thanks yes I did remember ginger had gone to the house where the murder was.  we have a real mess with these people. I must say I am a bit worried about what all is going on out there on mullin's creek.  ugh I am trying to dig as quickly as I can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:08:21 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html

I wonder who these investigators are, and from where?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
DD,
I know you are working very hard and it is much appreciated by all, but don't get yourself in trouble.  These do not sound like nice people and who knows, there maybe drugs or something else going on....
Sorry, just concerned ::MonkeyNoNo::

don't worry about "ME" I am use to this stuff.  ugh.  won't be the first time I got in a mess over a case, won't be the last.  Lindsey is out there and might be alive and someone has to dig before time runs out. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 04:11:27 PM
Is that po box number to the local LE? and is the phone number to them as well?  Do we have info for the area's FBI?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 12, 2009, 04:19:52 PM
dd, I'm not sure, but I believe the Mods have ways to contact authorities and provide info.  I could be mistaken.  But I know this site has a great reputation with many LE agencies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:35:19 PM
dd, I'm not sure, but I believe the Mods have ways to contact authorities and provide info.  I could be mistaken.  But I know this site has a great reputation with many LE agencies.

well, I'll let someone else figure out what to do with the info, I will just dig and put it out here.  Like I said before in the cantu threads.  "Do what you will" with the info.  I find it and stick it out here to be used.  After that I don't care who uses it or what they do with it.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 04:59:23 PM
posted by madibabe on the map thread
OK I didnt go to the Creek, But I did ask local teens if they ever hang out back there. They told me that  some kids have and probley still do. I asked if you could see any homes from the creek and they said yes on the other side of the creek threw a wooded area.
_____________

thanks Madibabe
hmmm wonder who lives over there and where the houses are.  I will try to locate them on a map.
if they can look through the wooded area and see the houses, you would think the people at the houses could look through and see the kids.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 05:10:23 PM
I keep going back to lindsey saying she felt something bad was going to happen, and that she is afraid of the witching hours.  people just say oh she reads those books and that is where she comes up with this stuff.  but maybe it isn't.  Is someone telling her something, did she see something ? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 05:12:37 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 12, 2009, 05:31:36 PM
northern Rose, Angel, Bee, klass, Blink or anyone used to puttin Le reports together.......would one of you like to volunteer to put some things in a report format? We can get the information to you. dd has her email already listed. Mine is available through klaas

This is extremely important (!!!) and time sensitive (now!!!). I would do it but my computer keys are still giving me problems.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:16:31 PM
northern Rose, Angel, Bee, klass, Blink or anyone used to puttin Le reports together.......would one of you like to volunteer to put some things in a report format? We can get the information to you. dd has her email already listed. Mine is available through klaas

This is extremely important (!!!) and time sensitive (now!!!). I would do it but my computer keys are still giving me problems.   

I am over here digging more and as quickly as I can.  I know I seem a bit "out there" and not explaining well, sorry, once I get this together where it makes sense I will post more.  right now I am trying like heck to get more dug up to support what I have here.  I want docs to back this stuff up.  Right now what would help is if anyone would like to, to help me find any connections with the mccleary kids on myspace with anyone related to or in the feesers households.  if you do find someone please don't post the kid's names that are connected out here on the board.


what I am looking at might be absolutely nothing at all, but because it MIGHT be something, I have to put my time into this right now.  but I will still try to post and look up other things if someone needs me to help on something else. Right now I really need all the info I can get on any feesers or people related to them or living at their addresses etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 06:23:33 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:26:26 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

oh I am trying to think of which one that was LOL 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

oh I am trying to think of which one that was LOL 

I didn't save the link, but am going to look for her..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 06:53:57 PM
sarah feeser woodard
http://www.myspace.com/beautiful_beerdrinker


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:11:56 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:13:44 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 12, 2009, 07:16:26 PM
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Friends and family held one another and cried in the moments after finding Amy Mullins' body.

Police search for missing Rochester woman.
ROCHESTER, Wash. - Thurston County Sheriff's deputies say they've found the body of Amy Mullins, who mysteriously vanished Saturday morning from her home. Deputies say friends and family members found the body a few miles from her home. Deputies say it was on property where her estranged husband resides.

Her husband, Steve Mullins, has now turned himself in to the Grays Harbor County Jail.

Family and friends cried and held one another when the Mullins' body was discovered Monday afternoon.

"She suffered significant trauma," said Thurston County Sheriff's Lieutenant Chris Mealy As far as the exact cause of death or how the trauma was suffered we don't know yet."

Amy Mullins was last seen alive at 9:30 a.m. Saturday. Her 15-year-old daughter says the morning began just like any other. She got up, chatted with her daughter and headed out to the laundromat.  But she never made it, and her jeep was found in the driveway.

"The dog was in the passenger seat, the keys for the jeep in the ignition, there was coffee in the cup holder and she had her purse in the car," said Kailyce Mullins, Amy Mullins' daughter.

Investigators believe a crime against the 38-year-old woman was committed based on the circumstances. 


 
KING

Family and friends hug one another after finding the body of Amy Mullins on property where her estranged huband lives in Rochester, Wash. on Monday, July 23, 2007.

Mullins recently separated from her husband and moved out with her daughter.

Less than a hour before her daughter's body was found, Amy's mother, Cheryl Detmar, didn't want to think her son in law could be responsible despite hearing stories that he had implicated himself.

"He had indicated to his sister that he may have had some involvement," said Detmar. "He just said he did something stupid. Maybe that's not involvement because we all do things 'stupid'."

As the day wore on, searchers converged on the home Mullins and her husband had shared.  That's where the body was found.

Prior to that discovery friends of the couple refused to think that the worst could have happened.

"I just can't imagine Steve doing anything like this," said family friend Shelley Terry. "Such a nice man. Such a gentleman, you know."


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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:16:28 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed

well I hate to lose the info that was on those pages ( I should have copied it, did not have time) but I am also very glad to see those pages private and some of those photos off of there.  We have at the least someone out there who took lindsey somewhere and these families need to know their kids could be next, I can't believe some of those myspaces are still up there and no one concerned some whackjob is still out there.  Are these people not taking lindsey's disappearance seriously?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:16:58 PM
Found this   http://www.komonews.com/news/8751512.html (http://www.komonews.com/news/8751512.html)

Has a pic of the hubby, who was the perp.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 12, 2009, 07:19:18 PM
I have soooo much stuff to look up, can someone try to help me by looking up anything about the murder of amy mullin/mullins.  would be in mccleary I think.  I don't have a date, age, nothing just the name and that she was murdered and probably in mccleary


SO am I.  They are only 10, it is amazing to me what all they are in to. The girl who took all the pics in the bathroom, had almost the same phrase on her page as Lindsey, that she was afraid something bad was going to happen....wonder what had all the girls spooked??

I'll give it a try DD, not too good at digging, but will do my best.

Most of the girls' Myspace pages have gone private & quite a few photos removed

well I hate to lose the info that was on those pages ( I should have copied it, did not have time) but I am also very glad to see those pages private and some of those photos off of there.  We have at the least someone out there who took lindsey somewhere and these families need to know their kids could be next, I can't believe some of those myspaces are still up there and no one concerned some whackjob is still out there.  Are these people not taking lindsey's disappearance seriously?  I don't get it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:20:42 PM
thanks for finding that atlanta mom, well guess that looks like a family mess.  they didn't think he was like that though, wonder what got into him made him do that.  well on to other things I guess, I just wanted to make sure she wasn't kidnapped or just disappeared or whatever, whoever she was.  but if we run into anything later we have that info now.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:23:13 PM
just making an observasion, but so many of these people are ending up killed in JULY.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:33:21 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:35:16 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.

his name is showing MULLIN in the assessor records, but that who parcel thing is off on there and the address they give on there of 220 s 6th does not have him listed at that address, so not sure what is going on with that whole assessor thing. his wife is listed as Janice


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 07:36:29 PM
I am looking for a "compound" around mccleary.  if anyone can find mention of one anywhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:47:39 PM
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Four to six full-time investigators will work on missing girl case

THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Published: 07/12/09  12:05 am

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said the dozens of officers, searchers and volunteers who have helped look for Lindsey Baum during the past weeks will be replaced by four to six full-time investigators, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

They are charged with putting together the random and scattered clues into a big picture to determine what happened to Baum on June 26.


Baum disappeared two weeks ago while walking home about six blocks in McCleary from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m.

The tip line for giving information about Baum’s disappearance is 866-915-8299, and letters can be sent to PO Box 305, McCleary, WA 98557

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/808221.html

I wonder who these investigators are, and from where?

That's the Gray's Harbor Tip Line.


Here are WA FBI
City   Phone Number
Bellingham   (360) 734-2980
Everett   (425) 252-3500
Olympia   (360) 352-3234
Richland   (509) 946-9311
Silverdale   (360) 613-2555
Spokane   (509) 747-5195
Tacoma   (253) 272-8439
Vancouver   (360) 695-5661
Wenatchee   (509) 667-1380
Yakima   (509) 453-4859

I would call the closest office and just ask to speak with a field agent about Lindsey Baum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 07:49:38 PM


Quote
Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

So his name is Mullin not Mullins.

his name is showing MULLIN in the assessor records, but that who parcel thing is off on there and the address they give on there of 220 s 6th does not have him listed at that address, so not sure what is going on with that whole assessor thing. his wife is listed as Janice

Could be old, not updated, etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
sorry if we already found this and someone posted it, but if they did I missed it. I don't remember seeing all this other stuff. 

FEESER, MICHAEL DAVID Male,  Age: 35   
  ID:92





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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.083 - Child Molestation 1
116606 Offense:   PROB - Probation/Parole Violation
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   -
1/13/1999 10:30  Court:   SC1G-GHC Superior Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
7/17/1999 09:00 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.083 - Child Molestation 1
121863 Offense:   PROB - Probation/Parole Violation
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/26/2000 18:30  Court:   SC1M-GHC Superior Court 1
Released  Bail Amount:   $10,000.00 
12/18/2000 07:15 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   46.61.502 - Driving Under the Influence
146212 Offense:   DUI - DUI Alcohol or Drugs
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/12/2006 08:30  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
4/13/2006 08:30 Disposition:   GUI-Guilty
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
146212 Offense:   FTC - Failure to Comply
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
4/13/2006 00:15  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $600.00 
4/13/2006 08:45 Disposition:   PPR-Pending Trial
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342.2 - Driving While License Susp 2
147643 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
6/29/2006 22:30  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $600.00 
6/29/2006 23:50 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342(b) - Drive W/License Susp/Revoked 2
152367 Offense:   FTA - Failure to Appear
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
1/6/2007 23:00  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $1,100.00 
1/8/2007 15:00 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog
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Book-No Statute:   46.20.342.2 - Driving While License Susp 2
153098 Offense:   TOFF - Traffic Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
2/2/2007 18:30  Court:   EMUN-Elma Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
2/4/2007 10:30 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.4014 - Poss Marijuana <40 Grams
164113 Offense:   WARR - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
5/2/2008 19:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $350.00 
5/2/2008 22:00 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.412 - Drug Paraphernalia
164113 Offense:   WARR - Warrant Arrest
 Arrest Type:   WAR
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
5/2/2008 19:10  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $350.00 
5/2/2008 22:00 Disposition:   PBB-Posted Bail Bond
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.412 - Drug Paraphernalia
164545 Offense:   CSPP - Cont Subst/Posess Paraphenalia
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/25/2008 08:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
5/25/2008 08:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Book-No Statute:   69.50.408 - VUCSA Poss Marij 40gr or less
164545 Offense:   CSPO - Controlled Substance/Posession
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
5/25/2008 08:00  Court:   MCMU-McCleary Municipal
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
5/26/2008 08:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:08:29 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 08:17:31 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?

He is registered with an address, so he was out 5/26/08
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER      Mappable     10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557    WA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:26:11 PM
looks to me like he never goes to court, nevers registers as SO, just does whatever he wants time and time again.  clear up until may of 2008, so where is he now?  is he in jail? or took off somewhere?

He is registered with an address, so he was out 5/26/08
MICHAEL DAVID FEESER      Mappable     10 block of W Elma Hicklin Road
McCleary, WA 98557    WA

he was convicted in 1992, he has all these other charges after that though, some failing to register, so my question is, did he go back to jail after all this?  and is he still at that address? regitstered?  he had lots of warrants some for failing to register, I guess after he got out of jail all those times listed above.  I guess I better go look at the date on the sex offender list that he last registered.   my poor brain. ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 08:33:45 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 12, 2009, 08:43:57 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
      Seq# 1


It's ridiculous and pathetic the way they let these monsters violate again and and again. Why not risk violating if all you are going to get is a week or two in jail and then streeted again?

They street them because there isn't funds in place to house them all. The system sucks and unfortunately innocent women and children have to pay for it. Either scared for life or with their life.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 12, 2009, 09:21:22 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 12, 2009, 09:40:19 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.




I am wondering if ginger might be nee ginger feeser but I have not had time to look. again, so much to look up and no time to get it all done. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:34:30 PM
let me add a bit more info (NOT CONFIRMED, but no reason for me to think someone is lying)

I am told by a local that some weird things were going on around Mullin's Creek and it was connected to one of the Feesers.  I really can't say more than this because I feel it could be potentially dangerous for the person telling me.  They also did not see this themself but a family member did.  So I have to get more info about that.  But what I have been told makes me want to dig into this really quickly because I believe if it has anything at all to do with anything, we don't want to fool around and have the end of July come on us. 

I also would like someone to put all of this info in some report fashion and see it to the feds.  I just don't like contacting police/LE.  (personal reasons, and no I am not wanted by the law ::MonkeyDevil::)
I am local and I would do it. I have no problem going to them. My only concern was going to the local LE without the feds because I believe in my heart they do not do there jopb to the fullest. They are here to serve and protect and IMO they do not go above and beond in any means. I think with the fbi they will get something done.
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



if it is the same Jackie with son Tracy she is not 24 she is more like 38 - 42. She is related to all the other Feesers by marrage. Her husband died around 1990 sometime .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
he has parole violations, failures to appear and then look at this

in march 2007 fails to register, gets 17 days, in sept 2007 fails to register is let out on his OR.  and this is after he has been arrested a bunch of times, had failures to appear in court and fails to register as a sex offender. 

why do they keep letting this guy out like this?  get a few days, get out on his OR, gets violations does not go back to prison.  something is just weird about all of that

Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr  
158796 Offense:   FRSO - Fail To Register as Sex Offend
 Arrest Type:   WAR  
Booked  Charging Agency:   MCPD-McCleary Police Department
9/7/2007 18:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $5,000.00 
9/10/2007 17:20 Disposition:   PRD-Released on Personal Recog  
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Book-No Statute:   9A.44.130 - Fail To Reg Sex/Kidnap Offendr
162880 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   COM
Booked  Charging Agency:   GHCJ-Grays Harbor County Jail
3/7/2008 17:00  Court:   SC2-GHC Superior Court 2
Released  Bail Amount:   $0.00 
3/24/2008 18:00 Disposition:   TS-Time Served
      Seq# 1


It's ridiculous and pathetic the way they let these monsters violate again and and again. Why not risk violating if all you are going to get is a week or two in jail and then streeted again?

They street them because there isn't funds in place to house them all. The system sucks and unfortunately innocent women and children have to pay for it. Either scared for life or with their life.


This is the reason I  fight. ! To protect the ones that LE do not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 10:53:23 PM
dd, not sure if you notice from the article of the murder, but it said Ginger and Hank went back to their home on Church Street.  Good job you and everyone are doing.
 :2waver:
You know me, always the sorter of everyone else's info.

hi sister, thanks yes I did remember ginger had gone to the house where the murder was.  we have a real mess with these people. I must say I am a bit worried about what all is going on out there on mullin's creek.  ugh I am trying to dig as quickly as I can.
What can I do to help you get this done? I will do whatever you need just say the word. I have no problem meeting with the FBI. I have before when my daughter was assaulted on a delta airline flight a few years ago. I find them to really be there for what they are hi9red to do. From what I have experienced.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 11:00:59 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 12, 2009, 11:10:06 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 12, 2009, 11:48:22 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.

Wow, now that's interresting.  I sure hope LE has checked everyone at this place out!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2009, 12:01:35 AM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.

Wow, now that's interresting.  I sure hope LE has checked everyone at this place out!

I think DD has some info that needs to go to the FBI perhaps?  I told her I thought the mods have some ways to do that.  Is that true?  Anyway, thank you and all the other mods for the great work you do on this sight.  I haven't been here long, most working on the Cantu threads, but I sure do appreciate all you folks do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 12:53:35 AM
some of the other kids on their myspace pages said they were scared and they thought something bad was going to happen.  I forget now who that way, does anyone remember?

IIRC it was the girl who takes a lot of pics of herself in the bathroom.

That would be HoneyBuns.  Considering the bands that some of them listen to, I'd be pretty scared too.  Satanic Electro Metal?  Ya, that's cool :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 01:13:58 AM
was fishing on myspace found a  gf of luke feeser  dont know if related but something caught my eye. This friend   
http://www.myspace.com/ileftmyguninsanfrancisco I firsty saw the pic and thought thats a bit dark. I clicked it and saw the quote you will see to the left. Kinda made me feel uneasy. I read the first blog but didnt really have the earge to ready anymore. Thought I would let u guys maybe pick him apart. Has something to do with the feesers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:56:25 AM
was fishing on myspace found a  gf of luke feeser  dont know if related but something caught my eye. This friend   
http://www.myspace.com/ileftmyguninsanfrancisco I firsty saw the pic and thought thats a bit dark. I clicked it and saw the quote you will see to the left. Kinda made me feel uneasy. I read the first blog but didnt really have the earge to ready anymore. Thought I would let u guys maybe pick him apart. Has something to do with the feesers.

Wow that is person crying out for attention, very dark person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 02:14:40 AM
very quiet tonight ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 13, 2009, 02:29:26 AM
Well, it's almost 2:30 a.m here, so I wish you a good night.
 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: demonKatt on July 13, 2009, 03:45:35 AM
I read the blogs:

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendId=34557261

All the way to 06.  Seems to be this guy should have FBI attention brought at least to his page, and should be reported to someone.  That is some sick stuff...Don't know if he is connected to THIS case, but he is a time bomb waiting to go off. Particular the blog for Friday, August 04, 2006  ..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 11:48:40 AM
Anyone know Melissa Baum's maiden name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
Anyone know the location to the store in Elma that Lindsey sometimes worked at?Is it near the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 12:43:57 PM
Hi ~ Can someone explain to me how I might access the PM Message Option through my profile page?  I have looked over the "HELP" section and am still a little confused on how to send a PM to another SM member?

Thanks so much ~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 12:53:39 PM
Hi ~ Can someone explain to me how I might access the PM Message Option through my profile page?  I have looked over the "HELP" section and am still a little confused on how to send a PM to another SM member?

Thanks so much ~
Hi Haddie...welcome to SM's
The PM feature is no longer available on SM's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 13, 2009, 01:05:36 PM
Thank's KarmaRoundUp ~ then I'll just throw it out there.  It's Pierpoint ~ At least that's what she's using in her hyphenated name.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:23:28 PM
There are certain things in this case which stick with me, such as this area supposedly has an active occult. I don't know if they are into sacrifice or not, sounds far fetched I know, but not everyone is sane and believes in being nice..

I found this, DD does this concern you? This scares the hell out of me, I will admit.

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1796.cfm

OCCULT HOLIDAYS AND SABBATS


As we have repeatedly stated, the Satanist believes that numbers contain inherent power. Thus, they literally order their lives by occult numerology -- such numerology also is a key component in astrology, another system of divining that Satanists observe very closely. The occult calendar is divided into four (4) segments of 13 weeks each. The number, "13" is considered divine by the occultist for a couple of reasons:

1. The Bible assigns '13' the meaning of "rebellion against constituted authority", plus the depravity that caused Satan to rebel against God.

2. The occultist assigns '6' to represent the number of man, and the number '7' to represent the number of divine perfection. Thus, as a person climbs that "Jacob's Ladder" toward self-perfection in the realm of the occult, the number '13' represents the state of divine perfection, self-achieved perfection, and Illumination (6+7 = 13).

Thus, the occult calendar is comprised of four periods of 13 weeks each. We list these periods for you, below. Then, after listing them, we shall come back to talk about each of them in detail.

1. Winter Solstice -- 13 weeks -- Minor sabbath

a. December 21 -- Yule

b. December 21-22 -- Winter Solstice/Yule. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

c. February 1 and 2 -- Candlemas and Imbolg, a.k.a. Groundhog's Day. One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

d. February 14 -- Valentine's Day

2. Spring Equinox -- 13 weeks -- Minor sabbath but does require human sacrifice

a. March 21-22 -- Goddess Ostara -- Note: Easter is the first Sunday after the first new moon after Ostara. March 21 is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

b. April 1 -- All Fool's Day, precisely 13 weeks since New Year's Day!

c. April 19 - May 1 -- Blood Sacrifice To The Beast. Fire sacrifice is required on April 19.

d. April 30 - May 1 -- Beltaine Festival, also called Walpurgis Night. This is the highest day on the Druidic Witch's Calendar. May 1 is the Illuminati's second most sacred holiday. Human sacrifice is required

3. Summer Solstice -- 13 weeks -- When the sun reaches its northernmost point in its journey across the sky

a. June 21 - 22 -- Summer Solstice

b. June 21 - Litha is one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

c. July 4, America's Independence Day, is 13 days after Day of Litha and 66 days from April 30

d. July 19 -- 13 days before Lughnasa

e. July 31 - August 1 -- Lughnasa, Great Sabbat Festival. August -- One of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

4. Autumnal Equinox -- 13 weeks -- Minor Sabbath but does require human sacrifice

a. September 21 - Mabon -- one of the Illuminati's Human Sacrifice Nights

b. September 21 -22 -- Autumnal Equinox

c. October 31 -- Samhain, also known as Halloween, or All Hallows Eve. This date is the Illuminati's highest day of human sacrifice

Isn't it interesting how the "profane" -- you and me -- are led like a flock of sheep to observe the important festival days of the Mysteries' Religion? You may not understand that you are ordering your year after pagan holidays, but you are! The annual calendar for the entire Western world is ordered by these Satanic festival times and days.

Now that we have seen the entire occult calendar, let us go back to the significant holidays to see how the Western world has slipped into a worship of the same pagan holidays and are using many of the same pagan symbols that are so important to the pagan worshipper. The human sacrifice required during many of these occult dates needs to contain the following elements, each one of which is exaggerated to the highest possible degree:

1. Trauma, stress, and mental anguish, sheer terror

2. The final act in the drama should be destruction by a fire; preferably a conflagration.

3. People must die as human sacrifices, especially children, since Lord Satan looks upon a younger human sacrifice as his most desirable



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 01:26:01 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyWaa:: I am scared now! yikes! I am going to hide under my bed!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 01:40:25 PM
Thank's KarmaRoundUp ~ then I'll just throw it out there.  It's Pierpoint ~ At least that's what she's using in her hyphenated name.   
Thanks Haddie!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
I want to make it clear I'm talking about the porn addicts above only.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 03:55:16 PM
okay, against my better judgement I will respond to tracygirl's post about the Satanic Calendar and Holidays and the human sacrifices etc.

First let me say I am not the type of person who goes on a "witch hunt" and assumes everyone who is not into Christianity is some Satanist who sacrifices people, nor do I believe all people who call themself a Satanist is a killer etc, and many do not even believe in Satan at all.  I am not out to insinuate that all Pagans are of the people who are out causing harm to people, in fact many of them are so earth oriented and care about humankind, you will find them doing more good than harm.  It is like anything else or any other group, for the most part people are trying to be better persons by practicing their beliefs and the "core" of most of these beliefs is to love one another and take care of the planet etc.  Whoever their creator or their "God" might be is not what makes some of these belief systems bad.  What makes some bad is some whackjob decides to "mix" "religious beliefs" of "some kind" and starts twisting this stuff up and if they are unstable or on drugs or both to begin with, and if they get around someone other whackjob who likes to torture or kill people, THEN we see the problems.  And those whackjobs can be a part of the occult or they can be a part of your local Christian church just as easily.  And then you have many who mix the two together and come up with some really whacked out beliefs to which they devote everything they do.  They will do things accordingly as they believe.  If it a astrology they use that to plan out what they are doing, if it is numberology they will us that to plan out what they do, if it is the Bible they will use biblical scripture to plan out what they do; for the most part you will see the quasi-religious whackjobs with a combination of all the above along with some other secret society "understandig" to go along with it.  There is no set mold for how these people operate. 

so with all of that said, do I believe there are "some" people out there who are using a combination of these beliefs to plan murders for the purplose of "creating" "something" or for "bringing about a change" or "attaining so sort of spiritual position" etc.  Yes I do believe it.

Now I did not always believe this and for the longest time if someone were to try to explain this to me, I would laugh and think wow this person is a total loon.  I thought it so unbelieveable I would not even take the time to research anything they said, I just wrote them off as nuts and said yah yah yah okay, whatever, or I would get annoyed and tell them shut up you're an idiot etc.  Do I thik that way NOW, No I full well believe 100% this stuff is going on all over and that a lot of the missing persons cases/unsolved murders, and even some of the "solved" murders(mistakenly misinterpreted) are a result of exactly someone's mixed up quasi-religious /occultic belief they are carrying out in order to attain whatever it is they believe needs to be done.  Add this to a group of outcasts, toss in some drugs, behavior modification and the need for others to "follow" and "be accepted", and you have a very volatile situation waiting to happen, and to happen according to plan based upon whatever the teaching of each specific group happens to be.  Like I said, there is not always the same combintion of beliefs, but there is a certain likeness to most of them that they are easy to recogize; however, trying tot decipher their "codes" and "systems" cannot be done by reading one persons set in stone explanation and then looking for that specific thing.  These groups will alter many of the original beliefs/workings in order to keep the police/general public etc from being able to predict what they arre doing or to unravel what has been done.  But once a specific group has a certain belief system put into place, then will stick to it, because the BELIEVE it.  And one of the things that allows these people to get away with this stuff is for the most part the general publci scoffs at the idea this can be going on, therefore no one ever looks to see if it is factor in the motive for a killing of for someone missing.  I believe the feds believe this is going on but they are far from understanding it.  They may recogize certain earmarks of it in a case, but they do not know how to fully interpret it in order to know how to stay ahead of it nor to follow the clues to solve the crime in the manner it should be solved.  They might catch "a" perpetrato, but they don't unravel the full motive for the killing nor do they find all of those involved and responsible, if in fact they find the "right" person at all.  A lot of these crimes are set up to point to someone other than the real perrp and therefore not only is someone killed, someone else ends up convicted and senteced to death for something they did not do.  The group walks away and they have the satisfaction of killing two birds with on stone, the victi and the wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death "perp", truly the "perfect" crime. 

So yes, I believe this is happening all the time.  Is it every case which can't be explained, no I do not believe so, however, I do believe a LOT of these cases can be attributed to a group of killers who are practicing some kind of crazy belief system of which is including kidnapping, torturing and sacrificing the victims and doing it according to certain dates, times, locations, connections to names, words, and following a combination of astrology, numerolgy along with pagan and biblical teachings. 

Once you get past the laughing about it and bah humbugging it and trying to sit down and study cases which have the earmarks of this "occultic" (for a better term) practice, then you can start to recognize the patterns and use the understanding of these things to help reserach, investigate and solve these types of cases. 

 Are all pagans, occultists, witches, satanists etc out killing people? absolutely not.  Are all christians out killing people, absolutely not; but there are whackjobs in both groups who form or join offshoot groups who twist and use the basic beliefs of either/both Christianity and the Occult and who have some members who use these altered belief systems to plan kidnappings, murders and sexual diviance etc as a part of their quest to attain certain knowledge and understanding or to attain some sort of spriritual perfection of some kind. Then you also have your just plain out and out derangedand/or drugged self-gratifying "crazy" who slips into the group or works solitare BELIEVING throughout it all that they have every right or responsibility to do so. 

so yes, in every case I research or look at I look for these patterns and most of the time I do not see them, but there are times I do.  And I don't believe they are have the same patterns but I dobelieve they have the same "basics" and when I start recognizing the basics surfacing in a case, then I start trying to identify exactly what type of belief system they are working with.  Then if I can identify it I can usually figure out what has happened or predict what is going to happen or where to look

so that is my personal belief about this subject 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:01:22 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
Updated article:

http://www.kxro.com/Article.asp?id=1389133&spid=

Another update:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:14:39 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They  do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we dont knmow all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:21:20 PM
Karma wrote:

Quote
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like   
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
Sherip wrote:

Quote
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?

I got their address in Elma and searched all thru their webpage looking for some kinda link but so far no luck.Here is their web addy:

http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:36:03 PM
Mike Tallman is the pastor for the Set Free place and I found a connection with Mike and McCleary.

Olympic Christian Center
117 S 8th Street, Mccleary, WA zip code
Phone |  View Website  |  More Information
Services:  Education
Products:  Elementary

Business Categories: Churches, Preschools & Kindergartens, Private Schools
Map| Driving Directions| What's Nearby? |  Send to Mobile Phone

http://www.switchboard.com/results.htm?KW=Bible+study+schools&LO=City+of+aberdeen%2C+WA&R=&PB=&PI=&SD=


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:41:28 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:42:23 PM
Karma wrote:

Quote
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like   
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
Sherip wrote:

Quote
I am sort of stuck on the Set Free Christian Fellowship.  Does Wayne Watne the missionary work with these people? How can we find out more about the Fellowship?

I got their address in Elma and searched all thru their webpage looking for some kinda link but so far no luck.Here is their web addy:

http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/






Well I see this is a Bapstist based outreach.  And here are people connected to the structure of it
Pastor Michael Tallman has been part of Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma since 2001. He served under Pastor Kenny Rice the Founder of our Ministry, for many years as well as Pastor Jerry Wilson from The Cross in Burien, and Pastor Dave Wade from Fountain Of The Valley in Auburn. Pastor Michael has previously partnered with Dr. Marty Schafer, Pastor Dave Yarbrough and currently Pastor Randy Brown from First Baptist Montesano.
 
Set Free Ministry is partnered with First Baptist Church in Montesano, Pastored by Randy Brown. The family of First Baptist Church Montesano has truly embraced the family of Set Free. Randy Pastored Vieux Carre Baptist Church in New Orleans French Quarter for five years, then two years in the mission fields of South Asia, before coming to Montesano.
 
We are Experiencing Foundational Growth as Pastor Michael Tallman and his staff; Assistant Director Derek Hulcher


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:45:32 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:49:41 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)

well the map was WAY back there in this thread, here it is


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 04:54:39 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 04:59:10 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
this is a little messy but my computer is messing up and I can't get into the maps I like to use ugh. anyway, you will see michael feeser up at the top of the map. there is a house right were I put that box.  I will try to get the actual address for you, his listing states only the "10" block, but maybe I can find the feeser address if not most like jessstar can find it.  she has different database than I do.

on the map simpson door plant is yellow, you will see 6th street dead ended on there but on another map I see dirt road going on to the trees bushes behind there.  I have been told though you can't drive back in there you have to walk and some of the trails are covered with berry bushes and only trails big enough to walk on or maybe a bicylce.  but I see on the map lots of dirt trails in there, and I don't know the exact spot of the swimming place on the creek, the creek is the purple line.  all the boxes are to make it easy to see I pointed out something and then I put arrows to what I named.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)

well the map was WAY back there in this thread, here it is
Thank you DD!Somehow I missed this.I doubt Lindsey would have walked all that way to that creek by herself at that time of night.....unless she was meeting someone there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
I can't imagine Lindsey being there on her own w/o her Mama but I suppose she has friends there(for some reason she went to school in Elma when they moved to McCleary 2 years ago)so maybe she stayed overnight there and went to the social thing?I dunno.......    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 05:23:41 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:27:05 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 13, 2009, 05:38:38 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:41:08 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?

no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 05:45:12 PM
Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:45:47 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 05:51:03 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:54:56 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.

Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 05:58:59 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 13, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:09:05 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 

I know exactly what it is and where it is exactly and people who are connected to the place, but I can't post it on here because I really feel I shouldn't.  I hate having to be evasive as that is NOT MY STYLE AT ALL.  I normally will share EVERYTHING at all, but if I say there is someone who will know who I am talking to and they should not know that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 06:17:18 PM
I have to take my dog to the vet, I will help look up stuff when I get back. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 06:45:39 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 13, 2009, 06:49:29 PM
dd- could this be some type of church or youth group meeting that she was at in Elma? 

I know exactly what it is and where it is exactly and people who are connected to the place, but I can't post it on here because I really feel I shouldn't.  I hate having to be evasive as that is NOT MY STYLE AT ALL.  I normally will share EVERYTHING at all, but if I say there is someone who will know who I am talking to and they should not know that. 

no problem at all! i totally understand :)  i feel like you are closer to solving this case than LE is based on their statements to the media about not having any leads or anything...ugh its so frustrating!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 06:57:23 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

Elmas dollar store at martin st......says this place is closed.

Elma video is actually on 319 main st. in McCleary.

I can't find an address for Tazmanian Dollar Store in Elma.

I can't find a It Vision in Elma.

Did find a addy for Elma Liquor Agency #561 215 N. 4th St. Elma

But can't map it cause my maps are screwing up lol
Thank you DD.
I'll try and fogure out the map thing tomorrow.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 07:00:12 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



Here is a mapquest of the Set Free ministries and Elma Variety Store - Distance betwwen locations is .16 miles

Elma Variety Store
300 Main Street
MCCleary

Set Free Christian Fellowship
427 W. Main Street
Elma

http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-IP6hzW__m*Wp

Also I have been looking at the Evergreen Christian Center website who has the McCleary Campus that Wayne Wahtne is missionary for - they do have Jail Ministry Program.

Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.


I think that the Elma Variety Store and the Five Cents to Five Bucks Store might be the same.


Five Cents to Five Bucks store

owner - Kathy Stockam

“She was such a talkative kid,” Stockam said, noting Baum and a group of her friends had stayed at her store until closing time the night before Baum disappeared.

“She would come here a lot, sometimes two times a day. She came in here to remind me her birthday was coming up because we give kids a free helium balloon on their birthday. ... That’s the last I saw her. It’s heartbreaking
http://**/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.txt

This is very close to the Set Free Fellowship and Lindsey was always going there.  It's not Melissa's Store but is looks like the place that Linsey hung out.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:05:53 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way
I see it on your maps but on the Google map(when I can get it to work right)I zoomed in and I see no water back behind the mill.It may be called Mill's creek?I do see a small round depression back there so that could be it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 07:43:24 PM
Cannot get my mind off of WW for many reasons.  Does anyone happen to know his comings and goings since June 26th to the present?

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 07:53:01 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.



Hmmmm,Nancy is still missing I think,she's 36 years old and worked as a financial anaylst at the Ecology department.
I'll have to look at all of this tomorrow.
This little girl,they found her body.

Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 08:00:22 PM
Karma wrote:
Quote
Thanks Sherip but I need the store in Elma that Melissa McCann owns/runs that Lindsey has worked at a few times.I can't get the map to open...could just be me.

Sherip wrote:
Quote
I think that the Elma Variety Store and the Five Cents to Five Bucks Store might be the same.


Five Cents to Five Bucks store

owner - Kathy Stockam

“She was such a talkative kid,” Stockam said, noting Baum and a group of her friends had stayed at her store until closing time the night before Baum disappeared.

“She would come here a lot, sometimes two times a day. She came in here to remind me her birthday was coming up because we give kids a free helium balloon on their birthday. ... That’s the last I saw her. It’s heartbreaking
http://**/articles/2009/07/05/local_news/doc4a5046ad80db5470513203.txt

This is very close to the Set Free Fellowship and Lindsey was always going there.  It's not Melissa's Store but is looks like the place that Linsey hung out.

Right but the store that Melissa McCann runs/owns is in Elma not McCleary.
I think like DD found that she has a couple of different businesses working at the same addy/same building/same phone number.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 13, 2009, 08:02:48 PM
Cannot get my mind off of WW for many reasons.  Does anyone happen to know his comings and goings since June 26th to the present?

KimC
Welcome to SM's Kim and welcome all of our new Monkeys
I haven't checked into that Kim but we have a Wayne Watne thread here at SM's....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 08:13:49 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 08:15:38 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




great summery... Can you please point me into the direction of Nancy's story? BBL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 13, 2009, 08:26:05 PM
Tracygirl       http://www.nancymoyer.com/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 13, 2009, 09:15:33 PM
Tracygirl       http://www.nancymoyer.com/index.html

wow poor woman. Doesn't seem like she would just up and leave. She is tiny,4'11, the same size as a child


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 13, 2009, 09:22:42 PM
May have already been posted:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html

Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 13, 2009, 09:24:13 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 

My question is are there surveillance cameras?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 09:25:58 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Nancy Moyer Tenino March 2009

Kylie Ellis (They found her body) I believe she may have committed suicide.  She was from Yelm Washington.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 13, 2009, 09:26:26 PM
May have already been posted:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html

Parents of Missing Girl Speak Out On 'Early Show'
Posted: 11:19 am PDT July 13, 2009
Updated: 1:02 pm PDT July 13, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- The search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum got nationwide attention when her parents appeared on CBS' 'The Early Show' Monday morning.

“My heart tells me she is alive; where I don’t know,” Melissa Baum, Lindsey’s mother, said on 'The Early Show.' “I would give anything to know where she is.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking home in McCleary and although thousands of fliers have been passed out and both the FBI and law enforcement in McCleary have been searching for her, there has been no sign of Lindsey. Her 11th birthday was July 7.

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives, but Rick Scott of the Gray’s Harbor County Sheriff’s Office said it’s unlikely that someone her age would be gone this long without “surfacing in some manner.” Lindsey’s father, Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who is deploying to Iraq soon, told authorities that he has not seen or heard from his daughter since her disappearance.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Officials have not had any new developments in the case but ask anyone with information to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



The statement I bolded really bothers me.  How much have they searched in the beginning, and how much are they having to revisit now?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 09:42:40 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




great summery... Can you please point me into the direction of Nancy's story? BBL
  www.NancyMoyer.com


www.boards.insessionstrials.com
Look under Amber Alerts & Missing People there is a lot of information posted by her friends and coworkers.  Some of the comments indicate that they thought it may be someone that Nancy worked with.

WW works for Fish & Wildlife - Nancy worked for Department of Ecology

Do a search for Nancy Moyer Tenino, Washington...you will come up with quite a few stories. She just disappeared. She is a very small person about 90lbs I think. About the size of a 12 year old.

Nancy vanished on 3-6-09  (Weird Dated)

Another common item is that they both were taken in a small town located right off of a State Hwy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 09:44:23 PM
Okay, here's a link to all or most of WW's residences.  It's long, just copy and paste in your browser.  I cannot seem to past the map here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6)

Now, take a look from where all these little girls are missing.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6)

And here I copy their stats and the dates that WW lived where according to another member's posts.

Wayne Watne – Tacoma, Washington Dec 1997 to Dec 1997
Wayne Watne –Port  Angeles, Washington 1997
Wayne Watne – Port Angeles, Washington Feb 1999 to Feb 1999
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington May 2004 to January 2006
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington Feb 2005 to Feb 2009
Wayne Watne – McCleary, Washington June 2008 to Nov 2008
Wayne Watne – Montesano, Washington Nov 2008 to 2009
Wayne Watne lists his residence in Olympia on his FB page.
Wayne Watne – Possible email = Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov while living in Montesano
Wayne may have relatives in and around Tacoma and Portland.  His brother lives in Corvallis.
One of his daughters R. Watne lives in Port Angeles. This girl showed up on the former wife's MS page. http://www.myspace.com/409084224


 July 4, 2007 – Zinna Linnick – Tacoma Washington
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington 2007 1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  Same route.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LUSIANA CARMEN ARGUETA
NCMC1119732
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Dec 1, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Nov 13, 2008    Race: Biracial
Location: SPANAWAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in either Montesano or McCleary.  Drive time from Montesano to McCleary is 33 minutes and from McCleary to Spanaway is 1 hour 2 minutes.  This is on the same route from North Washington state to just a little south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LINDSEY J BAUM
NCMC1125977
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 7, 1998    Age: 11
Missing: Jun 26, 2009    Race: White
Location: MCCLEARY, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELEXIS ELLENA BOYER
NCMC1125118
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 8, 1992    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 9, 2009    Race: White
Location: BELLEVUE, WA, US
Wayne is in McCleary most likely, and the drive time from McCleary to Bellevue is 1 hour 26 minutes.  But this girl may be a little old for him.  She was around 17 when she disappeared and she is considered a runaway.  But, we keep seeing the same route from North Washington toward Tacoma, where supposedly , WW has a mom or family member living. 


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  DANICA DIANNE CHILDS
NCMC1086909
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: May 25, 1990    Age: 19
Missing: Dec 21, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Federal Way is 1 hour 28 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Same route from North Washington to just south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  CANDELARIA CONTRERAS
NCMC1073412
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Mar 21, 1991    Age: 18
Missing: Jun 15, 2007    Race: Hispanic
Location: MANSON, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Manson is 3 hours 50 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  However, this is one of the girls on the route to Tonasket.  Here’s the google map link.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=manson,+washington&oe=utf-8&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=06dUSo73FpSusgOuicWODw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  JEWELYN FINNERAN
NCMC1116766
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 19, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Apr 11, 2008    Race: Asian
Location: PARKLAND, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Parkland is 1 hours 48 minutes.  Buy this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Jeesus!  This is making me sick to my stomach.  Same, exact route, just south of Tacoma and Federal Way. 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BRITTANY CAITLIN GRISSOM
NCMC1123615
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Sep 11, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: May 24, 2009    Race: White
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.  The drive time from McCleary to Tacoma is 1 hour 1 minute.  This girl is a little older too and is categorized as a runaway.  Same route.  What if these kids are NOT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KATYA MARIE LYNE
NCMC831557
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 28, 1981    Age: 27
Missing: Mar 21, 1997    Race: White/Hisp
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US –
Wayne Watne in Port Angeles 1997-2hours 22 minutes drive time.  This girl is older, as well and is considered a runaway.  Here we go again.  Same route, very near Tacoma.



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BITHIA JANAHI PEREZ
NCMC1062637
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 15, 1999    Age: 9
Missing: Dec 8, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  This little girl is quite a bit younger than the others, however.  I copied this exactly from the source from which it came and something is wrong in either the age of this little girl or her birthdate.  Same neighborhood, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MAYRA JARETTE RAMIREZ
NCMC1059515
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jun 29, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Dec 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: EVERETT, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  36 minutes drive time to Everett, just down the road, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELSIE DANIELA RAMOS
NCMC1057973
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Nov 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: GRANGER, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  3 hours 31 minutes drive time to Granger  Perfect age though.  This is the only child who is south of the route we’ve discovered.  Granger is quite a bit south of the route and out of the way drive up to Tonasket. 
 


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Missing from Oregon State
Wayne Watne in Portland, Oregon Jan 1989 to Jan 1989
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon Aug 1998 to Jan. 2004
Wayne Watne in Lebanon, Oregon July 1999 to July 1999
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon 2001-2002

Lydia Braschler-Varo - Missing from Mt. Vernon Oregon in 2001, 13 yrs old at the time.  Wayne Watne is living in Corvallis, Oregon at this time, almost due east of Corvallis.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  NARCISA ARACELY BERNARDINO
NCMC1011292
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 29, 1988    Age: 20
Missing: Jan 12, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: ONTARIO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  Amost 8 hour drive to Ontario, Oregon.  This one doesn’t fit the route.  It is southeast of Bend, Oregon and very near to Mt. Vernon, Oregon (above)


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KARLA NAYELI CORONADO
NCMC995833
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 3, 1989    Age: 19
Missing: Jul 27, 2004    Race: Hispanic
Location: SHERWOOD, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 11 minutes  drive to Sherwood, Oregon, just south of Portland where he lived at one time.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MIRIAM CRUZ-TORRES
NCMC1006914
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Aug 24, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jan 28, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: THE DALLES, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 57 minutes  drive to The City of Dalles, Oregon but on the direct route to Tonasket property.  It does not appear as if he owned the property in 2005 but perhaps he visited the area before purchasing?

 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YULIANA ESCUDERO
NCMC959161
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 4, 1987    Age: 22
Missing: Nov 3, 2001    Race: White/Hisp
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Corvallis, Oregon.  52 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YENI FUENTES-GARCIA
NCMC1051378
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1989    Age: 20
Missing: Apr 20, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  37 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier.
 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MARIA VIRGINIA HIDALGO
NCMC1082650
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 25, 1993    Age: 16
Missing: May 29, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: GRESHAM, OR, US
 Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Gresham, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SAVANAH PALAMARO ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 16, 1994    Age: 15
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Lake Oswego, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too. This is making me sick.  All these girls around the same area, north of Salem and south or right around Portland.  Wayne has his property up in Tonasket during this time.
 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SIERRA RACHELLE ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 25, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
 These two girls must be sisters. 


5779A-National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KACEY ANN PERRY
NCMC745166
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: May 31, 1980    Age: 29
Missing: Sep 14, 1990    Race: White
Location: PORTLAND, OR, US
 In these earlier years Wayne is living in Portland and Corvallis, Oregon.  But we have a space of time with no residence from 1989 to 1997.  Where was he?

 Please help find Brooke Wilberger - missing since May 24, 2004 from Corvallis, Oregon.
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  5 hours  16 minutes drive to Corvallis, Oregon. 

Something to think about?

Blessings,
KimC




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:22:30 PM


Elmas Dollar Store
315 E Martin St
Elma, WA 98541
xxxx I can't post the phone number, but is the same listed with the businesses below, one of which is tasmania dollar store so much be the same place

connected to the same phone number

ELMA VIDEO
 Elma, WA
xxxxxx 

associated businesses  

VIDEOS, ETC
1 HOUR PHOTO
VIDEOS ETC
 
  IT VISION
 Elma, WA
xxxxxxxx   
ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561
TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE
 
 I T VISION   
xxxxxxxx     

Elmas dollar store at martin st......says this place is closed.

Elma video is actually on 319 main st. in McCleary.

I can't find an address for Tazmanian Dollar Store in Elma.

I can't find a It Vision in Elma.

Did find a addy for Elma Liquor Agency #561 215 N. 4th St. Elma

But can't map it cause my maps are screwing up lol
Thank you DD.
I'll try and fogure out the map thing tomorrow.





everyone of these places show the same phone number where the xxxxxx is.  when I ran the phone number all these places came up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:24:41 PM
Not to add more to all the things we are working on but as I was driving my girls threw Elma today I drove past a place I had forgotten about. It is called His rock cafe. It is a large brick apartment comunity that a ex con runs. He brings people from Prision and other hard on your luck backgrounds and gives them a place to live. He runs a business with them working it for there keep, not money as he keeps all that. They do construction and home tear downs landscape ext.  They claim its a good place but myself and many other families know it is not. IMO it is on Main street in Elma. I do not think the offenders there are supervised and we don't know all there crimes since there are so many diffrent ones comming and going.
It is called.........................Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma


Do you know if Wayne Watne, the missionary/forrester who made friends with Josh works with this group of people?
I was thinking the same thing.....   ::MonkeyEek::

For some reason I am very bothered by the Watne connection to everything...I just found another common item to Nancy Moyer (Relatives of Watne in both MCCleary and Tenino) He does not appear to have any other relatives in the area - or I should say No other towns in our area "only the two towns that have had the abductions".

Both Watne and Moyer work for State of Washington - in ecology type of work. Possible connection thru work.
Capitol Forest Fire - Arson with incendiary devise to make it burn fast and hot on a recently clear cut and "reforested" area of Capitol Forest - not a place that the general public would know about.
Capitol Christian Center - has a Jail Ministry and a McCleary Campus that Watne attends and is missionary for.
Watne friends with Josh Baum - Josh does not have any other friends his own age
Set Free Christian Fellowship
Michael Feeser child rapist with a brother in law George Woodard who shares same address who happens to also be a child rapist (Are they involved with the Set Free Fellowship?)
Nancy Moyer is from Tenino - Watne has relatives that live in Tenino (John and Linda Hawkins)
Watne has relatives that also live on 3rd Street (Frank Hawkins 517 3rd Street, Elma)
Both Nancy and Lindsey disappeared on a Friday night
Both disappeared without a trace, possibly got into a car because dogs lost scent.
Both Lindsey and Nancy have long dark hair, close to same size, both outgoing, talkative and friendly
Watne and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindseys return - Watne took speakers from assembled crowd.... got very involved in Lindsey's prayer vigil.




I guess I totally missed the nancy moyer case, did you post about it ?  where?  or do you have a link I can read about the case  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:34:55 PM
The CBS video of Lindsey's parents on the show with the Sheriff saying they have no leads :(

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5154840n&tag=cbsnewsVideoArea.0





what? NO leads? now I just do not believe that? am I the only one who thinks they have at least "something" and are not saying?  how can they have NO leads at all? 
If you watch that video I posted the Sheriff said they have no leads but leads were still coming in....I don't know but it's looking kinda hopeless right now.
We need to find out exactly where Mullin or Mullins creek is....we need pictures taken of the creek cause we don't see it on a map.

We(or I) need to find out exactly where that dollar store in Elma is located and if it's near the Set Free church/place.

We need to find out if Melissa was dating/seeing/talking to anyone related to the Set Free church/place.
I'm giving myself a headache and praying for little Lindsey.



I marked mullin creek on the map, I asked a local.  it is the creek up behind the simpson door/mill its on the last topo map I posted.  I marked it in purple on the map. should be within the last 5 pages on here.  it is the creek lindsey and the kids all swim in.  and I am also told some kids call it Tweaker's creek.  so guess  a bunch of druggies must hang out there.
Yikes
Thanks DD.I will try to get a satillite map of the creek or maybe find a picture online.What is the correct name of the creek?
I guess they call it jim mullin creek, the locals told me this is it, but the only thing I see on any maps is FORK.  it is coming right off that dam though so you should be able to locate it on the map that way
I see it on your maps but on the Google map(when I can get it to work right)I zoomed in and I see no water back behind the mill.It may be called Mill's creek?I do see a small round depression back there so that could be it.

I have looked all over for the name of that creek behind the mill, finally a local told that is the jim mullin creek.  all I can see is FORK and that dam, and then on another off the wall map they show above the dam that body of water as a lake forget the name I will have to try to find it again.  I have looked on old maps etc, everywhere and can't find anything.  I see the water, but no names. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:37:44 PM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.

I don't know why it has not come out where lindsey's mother worked but I have been told it was a different place that this, again, not verified and againn ugh, I don't feel I should say, but that is not the place I have been told.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 10:38:20 PM
Nancy Moyer information is at www.nancymoyer.com according to Sherip.  And I'm with you Sherip.  WW is becoming much more than interesting if we put Nancy Moyer and the little Ellis girl into the mix. 

And read this about the little Kylie Ellis girl from Yelm.  Very suspicious to me.  She went missing on Dec 1, 08.  Her body was found on June 2nd.  The medical examiner said the body was completely intact and the cause of death was drowning.  She's been missing since Dec 1st and her little body was intact?

There's a good blog here:
http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10199.html (http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-10199.html)

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:42:35 PM
Quote
This little girl,they found her body.
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Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm

when was this, I better look this up too
I am interested in any other cases in the area, meaning in washington.  we might also look at the ones in northern oregon from corvallis, north.  but especially if you run into ones in the mccleary area, the area west to the ocean and any up in pierce county.  that would be mt vernon area also. so if anyone sees any while looking about just post the names and I will try to look them up.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 10:54:18 PM
thanks for the info KIM can you also post your post over on the "comparing cases" thread.  I forget exactly what that thread is named. 

also I had read up on the zinnia linnik case and posted over there I think, someone was arrested for that one.  but... sometimes they don't arrest the right person, or they have an accomplice they never know about etc.  but I posted about it over there what I had found

ww caught my eye as well and I started seeing all the missing where he was living or had relatives.  Have you read that thread over there?  I put what I found over there but I got sidetracked onto something else and have been working on that now.  but... as crazy as it sounds, we might have more than one perp working together, so I have not forgotten about WW either


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 10:57:02 PM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
The dollar store is one block  north of the fellowship same street!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 13, 2009, 11:01:56 PM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 13, 2009, 11:07:17 PM
Thanks DD.  I am still finding my way around this forum.  But for now, I need to sleep.  Goodnight and God Bless.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 11:10:48 PM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you dont want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 13, 2009, 11:13:23 PM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Nancy Moyer Tenino March 2009

Kylie Ellis (They found her body) I believe she may have committed suicide.  She was from Yelm Washington.
What ??? Im confused they found a little girls body in Washington state????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 13, 2009, 11:47:13 PM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 12:20:25 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you dont want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mgoblue on July 14, 2009, 12:31:01 AM
Hi DD. I just wanted you to know that I don't have much time to post on Scared Monkeys, but I do drop in here daily. I truly appreciate the work you and everyone else does for Lindsy. ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: Thanks to all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:29:07 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 14, 2009, 01:36:27 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:45:36 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....

The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store."

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 01:50:43 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....

The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store."

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt



The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 14, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


No disrespect intended so please don't take it that way because I am honestly curious since I've heard this a few time off and on but could you point out her time line on the show and the previous established time line? I don't have speakers on my comp and I don't trust what I read on news sites unless someone can verify it - learned that the hard way :) I'd like to know because I've known the police time line to be off several minutes even though we have the phone records etc and also the times given between my old man and myself but I have honestly not seen any real inconsistencies in MB's time line with the exception of a few minutes. - Thank You!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 14, 2009, 06:49:50 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in Elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you don't want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?
Well first,..... one is a refuge for pedophiles and other criminals. Not that believe all criminals will re offend. I am not willing to put my kids in jeopardy . The second one first off gave me a bad feeling when i went in. just not the feeling of a real church. I saw quite a few people who I could not place , but knew I had seen someplace. The next week my 9 year old wanted to go again but I was working and could not go to the youth group with her, so my mother agreed to take her and hang out. An hour later my mom came tpo my work and asked me to come outside with her. I did. She told me that she was there for 30 minutes and there were 23 people she knew from being a drug counselor for 30 years. she knows at least half are not clean and could tell at least a couple and another woman were high in the church. She forbid her granddaughter to be influenced in this church! she can not break the patient councilor privilege but she said please trust me hunny, The drugs are only one factor but the things she had been told by a few she witnessed in that church were far deeper than our minds should ever go. . so I do not allow them to go there, AT ALL.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 08:55:04 AM
I really don't know if anyone knows this or not but I did tell kara, and she had not heard about it, so maybe I will just stick this info out here.

I was told by a local that Lindsey was in Elma 3 weeks before she went missing.

Now she might have been over there with her mother or mccann etc, but she was at a "social" event.  I don't think I better post the name of the place though.  But at least we know (or am told, but I believe the person) that lindsey did go to elma at least once.  This was not at the store, this was at a place where people go to get together and "should be" on the up and up, but I have my concerns about who she knew there or how she ended up going there to begin with. 

hopefully kara can find out if her mother knew she was there or not. 

I'm still over here digging. 

I'll try to help on the outreach place, let me see what I can find
Was this at a dance?


no, nothing at all like that, this would be a place you would feel comfortable that a child would go there.  there would be lots of adults too, and nothing anyone at all would have a problem thinking it was not appropriate

Since your not saying I hope you are not saying you want us not to say either, But It has to be one of two places.... Church, or the races at the elma fair grounds. Those are the only two places that Have activities. Please erase my post if you don't want it said. There a is 2 churches I would not let my kids go to... One being the fellowship I mentioned before and the church on 3rd street. right off young.

no I don't mind anyone else saying anything.  the only reason I don't say some things is because I don't want someone to find out who I am talking to.  I am not saying for their safety, but by all means if you feel comfortable saying things go right ahead.  I just promised not to expose the person I am talking to so I have to be careful what I repeat, that is all.  but if you know something you think I am not saying and YOU want to say it go ahead ::MonkeyCool::

why would you not allow your kids to go to 2 churches... what is wrong with them? is there something about them that is not good?
Well first,..... one is a refuge for pedophiles and other criminals. Not that believe all criminals will re offend. I am not willing to put my kids in jeopardy . The second one first off gave me a bad feeling when i went in. just not the feeling of a real church. I saw quite a few people who I could not place , but knew I had seen someplace. The next week my 9 year old wanted to go again but I was working and could not go to the youth group with her, so my mother agreed to take her and hang out. An hour later my mom came tpo my work and asked me to come outside with her. I did. She told me that she was there for 30 minutes and there were 23 people she knew from being a drug counselor for 30 years. she knows at least half are not clean and could tell at least a couple and another woman were high in the church. She forbid her granddaughter to be influenced in this church! she can not break the patient councilor privilege but she said please trust me hunny, The drugs are only one factor but the things she had been told by a few she witnessed in that church were far deeper than our minds should ever go. . so I do not allow them to go there, AT ALL.

thank you very much madibabe.  when I asked why you wouldn't let your daughter go there I didn't mean it as though I thought you should(just makig sure you did not take it that way, as when I re-read my question it sounded like I was kind of asking why in the world you would not allow your daughter in a church of all places, I hope you didn't take it that way) What I was asking, you to be clear, is if there was something you knw about there that was so bad no one should allow kids there etc.  anyway, thank you for your answers.  I am so glad your mom was able to go there and that she recognized that there were people there who were still on drugs, and the more important thing (IMO), is your mom knows of some "other things" some people were involved in.  I would really like to know what that would be, but I am sure you would have said if you thought you should or if you knew what they  were.  but if it is "far deeper than our minds should ever go", it has to be far worse than being on drugs etc.    Do you think we should research that place?  do you think there is something weird going on there that would flow out into the community?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:15:40 AM
And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

We'd like to know a little bit about you for our files
We'd like to help you learn to help yourself
Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes
Stroll around the grounds until you feel at home

And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey...hey, hey, hey)

Hide it in a hiding place where no one ever goes
Put it in your pantry with your cupcakes
It's a little secret, just the Robinsons' affair
Most of all, you've got to hide it from the kids



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:32:28 AM
sorry to harp on this but I don't trust "weird churches"; too many whackjob killers are associated with weird churches or appear to be on the up and up inside their church.  It is these whackjobs who end up mixing biblical teachings with their craziness and start doing bizarre things, like killing people.  if you have people on drugs and weirdos in the mix and then add some unstable person who "receives a 'message'" from "God", then you can have some REAL whacko, not to mention if other people in the church are the same you really get some weird things going on. 

I've already heard there are some really crazy things going on up in that area.  Of course it all might be a bunch of baloney too, but rather than say boo-ha-ha at it, I am going to look into this.  "IF" it is really happening(which I know this stuff happens all over) then we have a sleepy little naive town where these kinds of people can live happily ever after and missing people are labeled as runaways etc. 

I would really like to know who the other "runaway" girl is.  How many others are there?  What other bizarre things are going on up there?  I had one person tell me Tacoma is full of this stuff but they never dreamed it could be going on in the mccleary area.  Well, I am hearing it is.  so sorry to get off on some bizarre crap, but I have to look at this and make sure this is not really going on before I discount it as boo-ha-ha stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 09:33:02 AM
madibabe thanks for that info, wow, how scary  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:37:01 AM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:46:03 AM
I am wondering what actually brought wayne watne to mccleary area.  He is a missionary he says.  I wonder if he has any affiliation with the Elma churches?  the one church is connected with the baptist chruches.  so we can pretty much know a little about their doctrine(or at least on the surface), but this other church on 3rd, I wonder what their doctrine is.  And the church in mccleary which wayne watne is connected to is some offshoot out of Olympia.  let me go dig


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:51:02 AM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:52:21 AM
josh, lindsey's brother attended this church several times.  Lindsey has been seen there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:57:58 AM
just a little background info on churches in grays harbor county. 
http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:xN1z6dOh5YsJ:ncbible.org/nwh/WaGrays.html+william+roundtree+elma+wa&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:00:01 AM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender

  ::MonkeyEek:: Thanks for all your hard work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:00:29 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml


On "The Early Show" Monday, Scott told co-anchor Julie Chen, "My heart's really heavy. ... I'm torn between sense of family and duty." He added that his commanders in the military have given him as much time as he needs to see his personal ordeal through.

Asked by Chen what she would say if Lindsey could hear her, Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum, repsonded, "I want Lindsey to know that I love her more than anything in the world and that I'm not giving up on her. I will never stop looking for her. I will look for her until I have her in my arms again."

"My heart tells me she's alive," Melissa said. "I really don't doubt that. Where, I would give anything if I had a clue as to where she was."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml



Thank you Karma.

In the interview with Julie Chen ... Melissa Baum's timeline in regards to when she became concerned that Lindsey had not returned home and ... when she contacted Kara Kampen ... is not consistence with what Melissa and Kara have already claimed.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KARA KAMPEN

"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

FBI joins search for missing 10-year-old girL
Story Published: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:27 AM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 7:11 PM PDT

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


No disrespect intended so please don't take it that way because I am honestly curious since I've heard this a few time off and on but could you point out her time line on the show and the previous established time line? I don't have speakers on my comp and I don't trust what I read on news sites unless someone can verify it - learned that the hard way :) I'd like to know because I've known the police time line to be off several minutes even though we have the phone records etc and also the times given between my old man and myself but I have honestly not seen any real inconsistencies in MB's time line with the exception of a few minutes. - Thank You!

Kara

Please listen to Melissa Baum's own words in the interview with Julie Chen in regards to the timeline concerning when you were contacted by Melissa and ... then read your own words posted on the SM forum.  IMO ... there is a discrepancy.

Considering Lindsey Baum was observed two blocks from her home by a neighbour who was on her way to work ... the starting point of the timeline has been established.  In the process of elimination ... every word of Melissa Baum must be analyzed in regards to her actions prior to call 911.

In other words ... ALL avenues must be explored whether the focus is on family or ... a stranger/acquaintance abduction.

Late last night I spent some time reading all the research that has been conducted on this forum in the past few days in regards to a possible abduction and ... the effort is amazing.  No stone should be left unturned in the quest in finding answers to what took place following the observations of the witnesses.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 14, 2009, 10:02:47 AM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 10:11:07 AM

Small town of McCleary not giving up on missing girl

Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 10:59 PM PDT
By Keith Eldridge

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- While the official search for Lindsey Baum has been scaled back, no one in this town is giving up on finding her.

"We continue to get tips, we continually talk to the public," said McCleary Police Chief George Crumb. "I don't believe they've given up hope."

At the town's annual Bear Festival over the weekend, volunteers were passing out flyers with photos of the missing girl, who missed her 11th birthday last week.

"I know she's out there and I know she's alive," said Lindsey's mom, Melissa. "I just want her to know if she can hear me that I'm never going to stop looking for you. I'm going to look for you until I have you back. I swear I will never stop looking.

Lindsey vanished June 26 after leaving a friend's house to walk home. But something happened in that short distance, and she never arrived.

The investigation, which has involved multiple local, state and federal law enforcement agencies, has turned up nothing.

"Still from day one we haven't gotten any real viable good leads," Crumb said. "Leads keep coming in, but actual things we can work on, nothing has been presented to us."

Detectives don't want to see Lindsey's story disappear from the headlines, because each story could kick loose that one crucial tip.

At the height of the search, 75 members of the search and rescue team, as well as up to 35 officers and countless volunteers were scouring Grays Harbor County for the girl, who disappeared while walking home last month.

Lindsey's mother and the police chief appeared on a national TV program Monday morning to urge anyone with information to call investigators.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50679222.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:11:46 AM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune


this stuff is getting more and more out there in the open. this guy us just brazen to try to walk down the street and grab two girls out of a group of kids playing. thank God those two guys in the truck were there and beat the crap out of that guy to the point he got found and identified as the one who did it.  kids can't even play in a group of kids anymore without some whacko just walking up and grabbing one of them.  grrrrr

thanks klassend for not boo-ha-ha'ing off the board with my outrageous statements at times.  I will try to keep it at least half-a$$ believeable and with as much docs as I can dig up to back up what I am saying on this subject ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:13:22 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:14:18 AM
I have to get to my home chorse right now, will pop in and out as much as possible with some docs and info and research on those 2 elma churches and wayne watne connections etc.  and as always if someone wants me to look up somthing I will see if I can find anything.  I get on a subject and tear it apart, but I am always willing to help with whatever anyone else thinks. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:16:34 AM
Where is Deenie?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 10:16:56 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 14, 2009, 10:20:29 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::

I hope the FBI are still assisting behind the scenes in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:28:58 AM
there is another person missing and they found  little girl? Can you point me into the direction?

sorry but the police have plenty to go on.
Hi Tracy the missing girl below,they found her body.I think we have a thread for her here on SM's.Let me go check in case someone hasn't posted it yet....I'm behind on reading.

Kylie Michelle Ellis of Yelm
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10199



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 10:43:41 AM
Thanks for the two articles, it sure sounds like they just have nothing. I can't believe I read yesterday that they thought that Lindsey might have ran off to Tennessee by her dad  ::MonkeyEek::

Ya, on her way home walking from a friend's house, that she was hoping would spend the night, with no phone, no money, no clothes, she just decided to take a trip to TN. ::shakes head::

I hope the FBI are still assisting behind the scenes in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet
I hope so also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
I have started a new thread for my research on the Weirdos Connected to the churches and other strange goings-on in the McCleary/Elma and surrounding areas of Washington which might connect to this case in some way. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.new

I did not want to clutter up the main thread here for something that most people think is unbelieveable at best. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:47:40 AM
Okay, here's a link to all or most of WW's residences.  It's long, just copy and paste in your browser.  I cannot seem to past the map here.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Sedro+Woolley,+Washington&daddr=Mt.+Vernon,+Washington+to:Keyport,+Washington+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Montesano,+Washington+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Lebanon,+Ore+to:Tonasket,+Wash&hl=en&geocode=%3B%3B%3B%3B%3BFUJGzQIdfDii-CmTRed79y6SVDE4NIjYWewM6g%3B%3B%3B%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=4,5&sll=46.604167,-121.552734&sspn=8.062017,23.269043&ie=UTF8&ll=46.679594,-116.784668&spn=8.050822,23.269043&z=6)

Now, take a look from where all these little girls are missing.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6 (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Everett,+Wash&daddr=Port+Angeles,+Wash+to:Bellevue,+Wash+to:Tacoma,+Wash+to:Federal+Way,+Wash+to:Parkland,+Wash+to:Spanaway,+Wash+to:McCleary,+Wash+to:Granger,+Wash+to:Manson,+Wash+to:Tonasket,+Wash+to:Portland,+Ore+to:Gresham,+Ore+to:Sherwood,+Ore+to:Lake+Oswego,+Ore+to:Salem,+Ore+to:Corvallis,+Ore+to:Mt.+Vernon,+Ore+to:Ontario,+Ore+to:City+of+Dalles,+Ore&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=47.997274,-121.80542&sspn=1.96292,5.817261&ie=UTF8&z=6)

And here I copy their stats and the dates that WW lived where according to another member's posts.

Wayne Watne – Tacoma, Washington Dec 1997 to Dec 1997
Wayne Watne –Port  Angeles, Washington 1997
Wayne Watne – Port Angeles, Washington Feb 1999 to Feb 1999
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington May 2004 to January 2006
Wayne Watne – Mt. Vernon, Washington Feb 2005 to Feb 2009
Wayne Watne – McCleary, Washington June 2008 to Nov 2008
Wayne Watne – Montesano, Washington Nov 2008 to 2009
Wayne Watne lists his residence in Olympia on his FB page.
Wayne Watne – Possible email = Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov while living in Montesano
Wayne may have relatives in and around Tacoma and Portland.  His brother lives in Corvallis.
One of his daughters R. Watne lives in Port Angeles. This girl showed up on the former wife's MS page. http://www.myspace.com/409084224


 July 4, 2007 – Zinna Linnick – Tacoma Washington
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington 2007 1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  Same route.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LUSIANA CARMEN ARGUETA
NCMC1119732
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Dec 1, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Nov 13, 2008    Race: Biracial
Location: SPANAWAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in either Montesano or McCleary.  Drive time from Montesano to McCleary is 33 minutes and from McCleary to Spanaway is 1 hour 2 minutes.  This is on the same route from North Washington state to just a little south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  LINDSEY J BAUM
NCMC1125977
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 7, 1998    Age: 11
Missing: Jun 26, 2009    Race: White
Location: MCCLEARY, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELEXIS ELLENA BOYER
NCMC1125118
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 8, 1992    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 9, 2009    Race: White
Location: BELLEVUE, WA, US
Wayne is in McCleary most likely, and the drive time from McCleary to Bellevue is 1 hour 26 minutes.  But this girl may be a little old for him.  She was around 17 when she disappeared and she is considered a runaway.  But, we keep seeing the same route from North Washington toward Tacoma, where supposedly , WW has a mom or family member living. 


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  DANICA DIANNE CHILDS
NCMC1086909
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: May 25, 1990    Age: 19
Missing: Dec 21, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Federal Way is 1 hour 28 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Same route from North Washington to just south of Tacoma.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  CANDELARIA CONTRERAS
NCMC1073412
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Mar 21, 1991    Age: 18
Missing: Jun 15, 2007    Race: Hispanic
Location: MANSON, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Manson is 3 hours 50 minutes.  But this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  However, this is one of the girls on the route to Tonasket.  Here’s the google map link.
http://maps.google.com/maps?q=manson,+washington&oe=utf-8&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=06dUSo73FpSusgOuicWODw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  JEWELYN FINNERAN
NCMC1116766
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 19, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Apr 11, 2008    Race: Asian
Location: PARKLAND, WA, US
Wayne Watne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington and the drive time from Mt. Vernon to Parkland is 1 hours 48 minutes.  Buy this girl is also a little older and is listed as a runaway.  Jeesus!  This is making me sick to my stomach.  Same, exact route, just south of Tacoma and Federal Way. 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BRITTANY CAITLIN GRISSOM
NCMC1123615
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Sep 11, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: May 24, 2009    Race: White
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
Technically Wayne Watne is living in Montesano but he still has a home/address/connections in McCleary during this time.  The drive time from McCleary to Tacoma is 1 hour 1 minute.  This girl is a little older too and is categorized as a runaway.  Same route.  What if these kids are NOT
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KATYA MARIE LYNE
NCMC831557
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 28, 1981    Age: 27
Missing: Mar 21, 1997    Race: White/Hisp
Location: FEDERAL WAY, WA, US –
Wayne Watne in Port Angeles 1997-2hours 22 minutes drive time.  This girl is older, as well and is considered a runaway.  Here we go again.  Same route, very near Tacoma.



National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  BITHIA JANAHI PEREZ
NCMC1062637
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Jul 15, 1999    Age: 9
Missing: Dec 8, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: TACOMA, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  1 hour 39 minutes drive time to Tacoma.  This little girl is quite a bit younger than the others, however.  I copied this exactly from the source from which it came and something is wrong in either the age of this little girl or her birthdate.  Same neighborhood, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MAYRA JARETTE RAMIREZ
NCMC1059515
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Jun 29, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Dec 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: EVERETT, WA, US
 Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  36 minutes drive time to Everett, just down the road, same route.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  ELSIE DANIELA RAMOS
NCMC1057973
-Have you seen these children?   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1995    Age: 14
Missing: Nov 10, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: GRANGER, WA, US
Wayne Watne living in Mt. Vernon, Washington  3 hours 31 minutes drive time to Granger  Perfect age though.  This is the only child who is south of the route we’ve discovered.  Granger is quite a bit south of the route and out of the way drive up to Tonasket. 
 


SCROLL DOWN FOR THE MISSING CHILDREN FROM OREGON











Missing from Oregon State
Wayne Watne in Portland, Oregon Jan 1989 to Jan 1989
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon Aug 1998 to Jan. 2004
Wayne Watne in Lebanon, Oregon July 1999 to July 1999
Wayne Watne in Corvallis, Oregon 2001-2002

Lydia Braschler-Varo - Missing from Mt. Vernon Oregon in 2001, 13 yrs old at the time.  Wayne Watne is living in Corvallis, Oregon at this time, almost due east of Corvallis.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  NARCISA ARACELY BERNARDINO
NCMC1011292
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 29, 1988    Age: 20
Missing: Jan 12, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: ONTARIO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  Amost 8 hour drive to Ontario, Oregon.  This one doesn’t fit the route.  It is southeast of Bend, Oregon and very near to Mt. Vernon, Oregon (above)


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KARLA NAYELI CORONADO
NCMC995833
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Nov 3, 1989    Age: 19
Missing: Jul 27, 2004    Race: Hispanic
Location: SHERWOOD, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 11 minutes  drive to Sherwood, Oregon, just south of Portland where he lived at one time.


National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MIRIAM CRUZ-TORRES
NCMC1006914
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Aug 24, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jan 28, 2005    Race: White/Hisp
Location: THE DALLES, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours 57 minutes  drive to The City of Dalles, Oregon but on the direct route to Tonasket property.  It does not appear as if he owned the property in 2005 but perhaps he visited the area before purchasing?

 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YULIANA ESCUDERO
NCMC959161
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Jan 4, 1987    Age: 22
Missing: Nov 3, 2001    Race: White/Hisp
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Corvallis, Oregon.  52 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  YENI FUENTES-GARCIA
NCMC1051378
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 27, 1989    Age: 20
Missing: Apr 20, 2006    Race: Hispanic
Location: SALEM, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  37 minutes  drive to Salem, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier.
 

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  MARIA VIRGINIA HIDALGO
NCMC1082650
-Endangered Runaway   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 25, 1993    Age: 16
Missing: May 29, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: GRESHAM, OR, US
 Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Gresham, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too.

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SAVANAH PALAMARO ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Feb 16, 1994    Age: 15
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  4 hours  drive to Lake Oswego, Oregon.  But this is his old stomping ground from 5 years earlier too. This is making me sick.  All these girls around the same area, north of Salem and south or right around Portland.  Wayne has his property up in Tonasket during this time.
 
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  SIERRA RACHELLE ONTIVEROS
NCMC1075996
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: Oct 25, 1991    Age: 17
Missing: Jun 24, 2007    Race: Biracial
Location: LAKE OSWEGO, OR, US
 These two girls must be sisters. 


5779A-National Center for Missing & Exploited Children  KACEY ANN PERRY
NCMC745166
-Endangered Missing   (View Poster)
DOB: May 31, 1980    Age: 29
Missing: Sep 14, 1990    Race: White
Location: PORTLAND, OR, US
 In these earlier years Wayne is living in Portland and Corvallis, Oregon.  But we have a space of time with no residence from 1989 to 1997.  Where was he?

 Please help find Brooke Wilberger - missing since May 24, 2004 from Corvallis, Oregon.
Wayne is living in Mt. Vernon, Washington.  5 hours  16 minutes drive to Corvallis, Oregon. 

Something to think about?

Blessings,
KimC



Whoaaa.....thank you Kim
I am speechless,that's a lot of work that went into that.
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:50:16 AM
Tazmanian Dollar  
 Melissa McCann   
    Elma, WA
 
 
I live in a very small town, 3000 people, and the addition of a dollar store is a tremendous asset to the community. Our number 2 seller is the scents. I have customers that buy multiples every couple weeks. Everyday I light up something to make the store smell great. I wish to continue increasing the amounts of oils and burners I carry to offer the best variety to my customers. I am greatful to have a selection that is affordable for my store.

 (http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummccstore1.jpg)

TAZMANIAN DOLLAR STORE  
 Elma, WA

associated businesses

ELMA LIQUOR AGENCY #561

IT VISION  

______________________

Family friend Melissa McCann said those who have wanted to volunteer but have not been used should show their support by attending either vigil. The family has also set up an account at Timberland Bank to help cover its expenses. The account is in Lindsey’s name. Letters or cards to the family can be sent to Box 1124, Elma, WA 98541.

1124 PO BOX ELMA, WA 98541

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION
 Elma, WA     
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC

 

SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION INC
 Elma, WA   
SANCHEZ, JEREMY T
(REGISTERED AGENT)
SANCHEZ CONSTRUCTION

OOOOOH! You are quick DD....I was still lost with looking at churches in McCleary.Thanks!

I wonder what the #1 best seller is at that store.  Lindsey worked the front counter there so whoever came in there to buy whatever would have had contact with her at times.  I am sure the store is small enough a person could stand there and talk to her, that there were not a lot of customers in line that you could not take the time to talk. 

I also wonder who else works there.  I also saw where a Melissa McCann had a baby this may, so if this is the same melissa mccann she would have been very preg and so was she always at the counter too or does she actually work at her own store?  did someone else work there with lindsey?  and was someone alwaays at the counter with her, or would she be left a lone with the customers?  just thinking if someone would come into the store and talk to lindsey there by herself. 

I would like to know what other products they carry? anything that would draw certain types of people. 
Good questions and I get the feeling this is where Lindsey's Mama worked(maybe full time?)before Lindsey went missing.

I don't know why it has not come out where lindsey's mother worked but I have been told it was a different place that this, again, not verified and againn ugh, I don't feel I should say, but that is not the place I have been told.
Okey dokey,thanks DD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 10:54:39 AM
there is a holly mullins friend on myspace to sarah feeser/woodard and a micha mullins linked to holly mullins
these all have an "S" on the end of the name.  I wonder if they spell it both ways.  and are these mullins the family of amy mullins who was murdered. 
http://www.myspace.com/micahjmullins
Sarah Woodard has a hubby or boyfriend named Josh and one of her commenting friends is Jackie Feeser.Sarah lives in Elma.
Both Sarah and Jackie has a friend named Ginger.

Ginger's last name is Williams(age 29).She lives in McCleary.Can't find any connections at all for Ginger.

Jackie Feeser lives in Elma and is 24 years old.Jackie has 3 kids.



I dont know if they are related but Steve and Amy Mullins grew up in Centralia, Washington
Thank you and welcome to SM's.
I think I have givin up on the Woodard thing for now....now I'm on the Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma on 427 west main street.I'm trying to find the dollar store location in Elma that Melissa(I think)and Lindsey worked at.
I went to SFCF website and was like    ::MonkeyEek::
They help alcohol abuse,drug abuse,cutters and porn addicts which translates into child sexual abusers to me!
I saw some of their pictures on their site and they have camp outs and picnics and such,all in a big group and there are a few little kids running around.I'm wondering WTH their Mama's have them there for????
Don't they know that no amount of help will help these perverts?Not even God can help these perverts....sorry for the rant but that's just how I feel.
Anyway.....I need to find out where the dollar store(mentioned above)that Melissa McCann owns or leases,is located in Elma.
The dollar store is one block  north of the fellowship same street!!
In Elma right and not in McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 11:01:49 AM
I read the nancy moyer site just now, this post has some info
 know Nancy and Bill and the girls. I worked at the Boys & Girls Club where they came every school break and summer. I got a chance to get close to the entire family. This saddens and shocks me...I pray for you all
Holly M. Smith
Family Educator
Lewis County Head Start
Twin City Center
xxxxxxxx

sometimes christian ministry people volunteer at the boys and girls club or even are on the boards of the boys and girls clubs.  we might want to try to check if WW or anyone had any connection there also.

Lindsey is a girlscout - I read that on an earlier post.  Is Josh Baum a boyscout?  Karak do you know that answer? 


I'm not sure if Josh was a boyscout or not. I can find out though if no one has ran across that info yet....
I thought someone posted a link to the volunteer built boys club in McCleary.....maybe yesterday?I wonder if Josh was a member there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 14, 2009, 11:42:02 AM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:49:27 AM
I have started a new thread for my research on the Weirdos Connected to the churches and other strange goings-on in the McCleary/Elma and surrounding areas of Washington which might connect to this case in some way. 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.new

I did not want to clutter up the main thread here for something that most people think is unbelieveable at best. 
Thanks for doing that, I'm sure I won't find it unbelievable, I unfortunately realize how many sickos are out there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:51:53 AM
Thanks for that KimC, wow this all is frightening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 11:52:12 AM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.
I say go for it DD.Everything has to be looked at and investigated IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 11:52:23 AM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.



Tracygirl, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:00:10 PM
MCCLEARY: No new clues in case of missing 11-year-old
THE OLYMPIAN | • Published July 14, 2009

Authorities have no new clues in the search for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary, whose parents appeared on CBS’ “The Early Show” Monday.


Lindsey disappeared the night of June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house. An extensive search involved local law enforcement, the FBI, and community members.


Anyone with information is asked to contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:02:32 PM
REader comment:

quidnunc wrote on 07/14/2009 08:13:17 AM:
How very sad! I feel very strongly that had the Sheriff's office issued an Amber Alert, which was permissable as per the Amber Alert guidelines (rgardles of what THEY tell you!)there might have been a chance to find her. As it is, they have themselves to blame for botching this investigation and waiting so long to even have her posted as a missing person. Even TODAY on www.waspc.org the Missing Persons seb site there is NO PICUTRE OF LINDSEY!!! Why is that? At least there is finally one on the WSP site. I simply cannot understand the motivation behind waiting so long to take action. From the beginning it was obvious that she was not a runnaway or whatever else they tried to have us believe as a reason for inaction. Now, if it turns out that they actually knew something that they didin't want to diclose to the public, and that is why they took their time, then I might be able to understand, but I don't think that is the case.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 12:09:01 PM
REader comment:

quidnunc wrote on 07/14/2009 08:13:17 AM:
How very sad! I feel very strongly that had the Sheriff's office issued an Amber Alert, which was permissable as per the Amber Alert guidelines (rgardles of what THEY tell you!)there might have been a chance to find her. As it is, they have themselves to blame for botching this investigation and waiting so long to even have her posted as a missing person. Even TODAY on www.waspc.org the Missing Persons seb site there is NO PICUTRE OF LINDSEY!!! Why is that? At least there is finally one on the WSP site. I simply cannot understand the motivation behind waiting so long to take action. From the beginning it was obvious that she was not a runnaway or whatever else they tried to have us believe as a reason for inaction. Now, if it turns out that they actually knew something that they didin't want to diclose to the public, and that is why they took their time, then I might be able to understand, but I don't think that is the case.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/909849.html

Thanks  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:16:06 PM
DD - keep doing what you are doing.  Lindsey needs to be found.


Saw this article this morning.  It's Tacoma but Tacoma isn't all that far from McCleary:

http://www.thenewstribune.com/topstories/story/809997.html

Kidnap suspect who tried to grab girls gets beating from two men


THE NEWS TRIBUNE
Last updated: July 14th, 2009 06:29 AM (PDT)

A drunken man who tried to kidnap two 5-year-old girls was beaten Saturday night by two bystanders who saw the attacks, Tacoma police said Monday.

Officers arrested the 45-year-old man on suspicion of trying to kidnap the girls, who had been playing with some other children in the 500 block of South L Street about 7 p.m.

Police said the man was walking on the sidewalk on L Street when he grabbed the first girl and tried to take her away. She kicked and got free of the man, who then tried to get another 5-year-old girl, police said. She, too, got away.

As the man tried to flee, two men who had been sitting in a nearby truck got out and severely beat the man, police reported. The two men and the drunken man then fled, police said.

The two girls told their parents what had happened, and officers found the first man in the 200 block of South J Street. He’d suffered a head injury and was stitched up at a local hospital before being booked into the Pierce County Jail on suspicion of attempted first-degree kidnapping.

Stacey Mulick, The News Tribune

although i don't think its ever a good idea to take the law in your own hands i still have to say :smt041 :smt038 :2notworthy: to these two guys..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
Olympia is close as well:

Family seeks help finding missing Olympia girl, 15
Originally published Monday, May 18, 2009 at 10:34 AM

OLYMPIA — The family of a 15-year-old Olympia girl who has been missing since she ran away from a residential facility for at-risk teens April 24 seeks the public's help in finding her.

Susan Martinson said her daughter, Rebecca, has run away before, but she always called her family. Also, there has been no activity on her daughter's MySpace page since before she disappeared, she said.

"Before, she would always call," Susan Martinson said. "It may not have been a pleasant call, but she'd call. She hasn't this time. It's really scaring us."

Martinson said her daughter's friends don't know where she is, either.

"We're just concerned for her safety," she said.

Martinson said her daughter was an honors student at Olympia High School before she got involved in drugs. She added that her daughter needs medication, and as far as she knows, all she has are the clothes on her back.

"We want the best for her," she said, adding that it's OK if her daughter doesn't want to live at home, but she wants her to be in a safe place.

Rebecca Martinson is 5 feet, 3 inches tall and about 130 pounds. She has a piercing on her left bottom lip, and her nickname is Becca.

Anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the Olympia Police Department at 360-753-8300.

Link to images of Rebecca:  http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009233387_webmissinggirl18m.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:20:43 PM
just throwin' this out
Lindsey went to a college in TN for a writing camp....
most college students have cars...
did she make any friends during the camp?
if she were trying to get to TN to see dad maybe she contacted someone from the college???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 12:23:31 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 12:25:10 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 12:30:01 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
WELCOME I'm very sorry about your friend's child Kylie, thanks for your info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 12:31:21 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:34:31 PM
Welcome Concerned.  I am so sorry for your loss and pray that not another child is found in that way. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 12:36:58 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 14, 2009, 12:38:27 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???

snipped:

Hi Mamacrazy ~

"The body was fully intact and there were no obvious signs of trauma, said Sgt. Dave Odegaard from the Thurston County Sheriff's Office."

You can read the rest here: http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29 (http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29) (hope it's okay to link)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 12:39:31 PM
Good morning everyone. Great work by monkeys going on here.
I do recall reading about the Kylie case. BBL sorry, my fil has cancer and it is in the end stage. We have our hands full right now. I will be popping on and off.



Tracygirl, my thoughts and prayers  ::MonkeyAngel::
Mine too Tracygirl


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:40:41 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 12:50:55 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:00:21 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:07:17 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

Please take a look at the article about Rebecca Martinson disappeared May 2009 that I posted above and the link to her images.  To me her physical appearance is similar  JMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:07:35 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.
::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:08:05 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
what happened???

snipped:

Hi Mamacrazy ~

"The body was fully intact and there were no obvious signs of trauma, said Sgt. Dave Odegaard from the Thurston County Sheriff's Office."

You can read the rest here: http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29 (http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_sobi2&sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=3&sobi2Id=289&Itemid=29) (hope it's okay to link)
thanks ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 01:09:13 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:13:23 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
are they one in the same?? ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 14, 2009, 01:19:41 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

 www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ There is a picture of Kylie here. She was 5'7" I believe, 100lbs, long brown hair, brown eyes. Her books and the note were left on Dec. 1. The dogs tracked her away from the canal, and then her body was found there 6 months later. The whole situation is weird. There are things that I can't really go into on a public board, but we do think someone was helping her, at least for awhile. And possibly two different families at different times. I will try to find out today what church the youth group was at. I guess it is a pretty popular group, they have disco lights, music and food. I think it was Wednesday nights.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:27:29 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 01:28:29 PM
Suspect Arrested In MySpace Rape Case
Police fear there more be more victims:


A 28-year-old Washington state man has been arrested after police say he raped at least two different women that he had met on MySpace.

Marcos Roberto Lozano, of Olympia, is accused of drugging a 24-year-old woman then raping her. A friend of the alleged victim said she witnessed the incident as well.

The allegations against Lozano were reported to police after he was arrested in connection with a another rape involving a 21-year-old women in February.

Lozano, who works as a bartender at the Red Wind Casino in Olympia, is believed to have communicated with the woman on MySpace and then convincing them to meet him at the casino.

Because police fear there may be more victims, they are asking anyone who has information on this case to contact them or Crime Stoppers at 360-493-2222.

http://www.blogcatalog.com/blog/the-dead-kids-of-myspace/335b3f7c8c53148051abe48b2f3a5442


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 01:30:21 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Also if Wayne Watne was at Camp Delezene as the forester for fish and wildlife and the Arson was in that area then I really think
someone needs to really search that area.  Can cadaver dogs smell if something has been burnt?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 14, 2009, 01:35:59 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 01:36:55 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 01:43:05 PM
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Wayne Watne

This is awesome timing for such an emphasis on Astronomy! If you really want to seee something amazing about the stars and really get an understanding of how incredibly large some of the stars are, how big the universe is, and the magnitude of the distances between some of the galaxies and earth check out the CD "Indescribable" by Louie Giglio... it will blow your socks off!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 02:06:08 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:07:03 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?

Please take a look at the article about Rebecca Martinson disappeared May 2009 that I posted above and the link to her images.  To me her physical appearance is similar  JMO.

 I agree she is similar


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:15:17 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!

Does anyone know if Nancy Moyers girls were involved in the girl scouts or a church youth group?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:20:33 PM
We aren't sure what happened. Kylie's death was classified as a freshwater drowning. We don't know if it is being investigated any further. The whole situation surrounding her disappearance is strange, confusing and sad. She had left a suicide note and her school books on the side of a canal. Then she was seen around town for 3 months by people who knew her. The sitings stopped in about March, and her body was found June 1. They sent divers in the canal, and tracking dogs came in when she first disappeared. The dogs tracked her back out the the area, so no one is sure what happened.

I am so sorry for your loss and for Kylies family.  A question that I have is why would she have her schoolbooks with her after 3 months?  People living on the streets don't usually pack school books or something that heavy with them.  Was she staying at someones house?  Or did I misunderstand and they initially found her books and a suicide note, but the dogs tracked her away from the canal and then 6 months later found her body in the same area?

Do you know who Kylie was involved with at the church groups or heard any rumors about who saw her in town? Seems like Rainier is too small to hide in for 3 months without help - it is even smaller than McCleary.  Does her description match Nancy Moyer and Lindsey - Long Brown Hair, Brown Eyes, 80-90 lbs 4'-9" - 4'-11" height


If her books were left on the side of the canal with a suicide note yet she was seen alive for 3 months, could she have possibly confided in someone about what she had left and they then took advantage of it. It would seem logical that if she was seen at the youth group consistantly for those three months then it may be someone associated with that group that was helping her hide.

If Kylie was fully intact in June then it seems impossible that she was in water for 3-6 months.

Does it seem weird that she disappeared in December, Nancy Moyer in March and Lindsey in June....that is just a little over 3 months apart for each of them.  One disapearance per quarter?
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"If the body is submerged in cool (less than 70F or 21C) to cold (less
than 40F or 4,4C) water for as little as one to three weeks, the
corpse's tissues convert to adipocere, a compound that stops the
activity of bacteria. In extreme cold conditions, the normal process of decomposition is halted—by either lack of moisture or temperature controls on bacterial and enzymatic action—causing the body to be preserved as a mummy. Frozen mummies commonly restart the decomposition process when thawed.

Decomposition of Cadavers in Cold Water*
2 days:    Washerwoman's hands.
25 days:    Bloating, marbling, slippage
38 days:    Bloating, slippage, dark gray-brown discoloration, focal adipocere, purge fluid in body cavities.
68 days:    
Bloating, slippage, dark gray-brown discoloration, extensive subcutaneous adipocere, purge fluid in body cavities.
109 days:    Total saponification covered by a thin friable crust.
433 days:    Total saponification with thick friable crust and skeletonization.


Saponification - soft tissue in a conversion of the fat of a corpse into adipocere, often called "grave wax." This process is more common where the amount of fatty tissue is high, the agents of decomposition are absent or only minutely present, and the burial ground is particularly alkaline.

adipocere-  is a yellowish-white substance composed of fatty acids and
soaps which forms after death on the fatty parts of the body like
cheeks, abdomen wall, and buttocks. Adipocere is greasy or "soapy" and
has a strong and musty odor.
 

So, as cold as the water is in WA year round, especially in the winter, spring months, a fully intact body is quite possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 02:20:52 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
are they one in the same?? ::MonkeyEek::

Yep!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:23:49 PM
concernedmommyinwa, I am sorry for the loss of your daughter's friend, Kylie. I hope what I just posted doesn't upset you too much.

This is a missing person/crime forum and sometimes the details we talk about can be a bit gruesome, especially for friends and family members.

I am sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 02:27:58 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
I don't know how to mark a map but there is a Delezenne road in Elma I think.Also,anything we find for this thread should probably be copied over to the Wayne Watne thread just to have the info in both places.
I did find the boy scout troop for the GraysHarbor county but not sure that is the correct troop.
Lots of trooping images here:
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.troop27bsa.com/images/KlondikeDerby-2009-mountain-men.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.troop27bsa.com/photo_gallery/photo_gallery.htm&usg=__1-nqPLGUr00-mOYXqXHwinD0zzs=&h=296&w=445&sz=62&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=2KHB94MEtVQuBM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3DDelezenne%2BCreek%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Sasquatch Boys Scout Troop:
http://phcscouts.org/sasquatch/?q=node/1

All the surrounding areas Troops:
http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/view_homepage.asp?orgkey=26






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 14, 2009, 02:34:50 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



I am the one that called the church in Olympia and the reporter.

I called and asked if WW was a minister. The lady that answered the phone said she had never heard of WW.

I then called the Daily World and spoke to Callie White who wrote the article. She said he had called and corrected her that he was a "missionary". She said she planned on writing a retraction. (don't know if she did or not) She also thought it weird that Olympia had never heard of him.

another monkey (don't remember who) said that there is an offshoot of the same church in McCleary and he was probably a missionary from there. Which is why Olympia may have never heard of him because he is "working for" the McCleary offshoot.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 14, 2009, 02:52:36 PM
I'm not sure if I already posted this or not, Pink Angel, but Harvest Vision Ministries has at least one of the same photos as is on Wayne Watne's Flickr page.  So, one would naturally assume that the sponsoring church would know that this person Wayne Watne was part of the mission work in December '08 in San Luis, Sonora, Mexico.  Perhaps the woman who answered the phone was simply not aware of him.  I would love to know, however, if the church also has the photos that Wayne has removed from his Flickr page of photos.  Wouldn't we all?  There's one on the church Flickr page of him with a little blonde girl on his shoulders.  Another photo shows him in a group photo, but he is kneeling apart from the others.  I dunno, probably not much of anything when viewed alone, but with everything that's pointing his way, something to observe, at least.

Here are the links:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2)
Above link is the Dec 08 Mexico Harvest Ministry Mission.  Wayne has some of the same photos on his flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/)
Wayne’s photos are in the link above, same trip with Harvest Ministries.  Dec. 08



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
This may be OT but I thought it was interesting as it involves the Delezenne area and Whyerhaeuser.Amazing how the FBI investigated way back in 1935.

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/weyer/weyer.htm

On May 24, 1935, George Weyerhaeuser, the nine-year old son of prominent lumberman J.P. Weyerhaeuser of Tacoma, Washington, disappeared on his way home from school. Although the students at Lowell School, which he attended, were released for lunch earlier than usual, George followed his regular practice of immediately walking to the nearby Annie Wright Seminary to meet his sister Ann. The family's chauffeur generally met George and Ann at the Seminary to drive them home for lunch at noon. Arriving at the Seminary 10 or 15 minutes early that day, George apparently decided to walk home rather than wait for his sister. But George never reached home that day; somewhere between the Seminary and his house, George Weyerhaeuser was kidnapped.........more at link.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 03:15:22 PM
The family's chauffeur  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 14, 2009, 03:28:15 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 03:39:51 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: canadianmonkey on July 14, 2009, 03:42:40 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Sherip did you see the website that you got these directions from?  It's a role playing website that is going to be meeting at this park Aug 7th.  Not saying that anything is wrong with role playing or the group...but...they are role playing magicians and such.

http://www.legacieslarp.org/index.php


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 03:47:56 PM
The family's chauffeur  ::MonkeyShocked::

George revealed that when he left Annie Wright Seminary on May 24, 1935, he took a shortcut through some tennis courts. As he left the tennis courts, he met a man of about 40 with brown hair and a moustache who asked for directions. When George responded, the man picked him up and carried him to a sedan which was parked across the street.

Ransom was paid, eventually people were arrested and jailed..

George is the president of warehouser..


It was a different time in history.. Ransom was paid and Nobody hurt him. He was lucky


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
maybe someone should warn the role-players?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:10:32 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO
True and then when he goes missing they raise his level to a 3~likely to offend again~WTH? I'd say he should have gotten smacked with a level 3 from the get go.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 04:11:06 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.
WoW are you kidding me  Wayne Watne is a biologist for our area? Well I am not sure if this sets off any bells for anyone But for me it does. Lindsey could have gotten in the car with someone she trusted "WW" ...... He knows the woods like his own livingroom . Its creepy how the disapearances are happening where ever he goes and he would know where to go (how far away) so that they would estingwish all searches before getting that far. .  From Elma I can get to total suclusion in 20 to 30  min and that means no homes ,cars , people within 10 or 20 mile ratious. I could travel ferther out and be even farther away. I know because I lived in brooklyn wa one summer and we traveled back and forth to our home in elma. We could take log roads all the way there without seeing anyone for 30 miles.
 this unpopulated area is starts on thev backroads in porter to brooklyn wa. just some info i thought would be worth knowing. If I get my tire fixed today im planning to taske a little drive out that way.. Thank you everyone for the work u do. I and many are so greatful for every moment you choose to help . I know the laundrey gets backed up and trash is forgotten . Every second we put into finding her is well worth it as we can do the chores later every second counts in finding any missing child. HUGs To you all!!!

County:
GRAYS HARBOR
Region 6

Streams:
Forest Practices

 Biologist:
Wayne Watne
Wayne.Watne@dfw.wa.gov
 WDFW

Mailign Address:
48 Devonshire RD
Montesano, WA 98563
 (360) XXX-XXXX Ext. 208
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:12:40 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
Welcome ConcernedMommy.
That is very interesting,I had just read that yesterday about Kylie being involved in a Troubled Youth group from a church.
I believe the girl missing from Olympia from the link above is/was also involved in a church youth group.......I totally agree with you about Wayne Watne!

Does anyone know if Nancy Moyers girls were involved in the girl scouts or a church youth group?
Good question Sherip but I don't know the answer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 14, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.


Thanks Northern
Here's the pic of Andrew D. McQuilkin



You are welcome.  I do not understand how they can release a SO and then he is homeless.  To me that is akin to letting a starving man loose in a grocery store every night.  JMO
True and then when he goes missing they raise his level to a 3~likely to offend again~WTH? I'd say he should have gotten smacked with a level 3 from the get go.

Agreed.  I have more harsh thoughts on this.  A flaming orange tattoo across the face to warn all, a GPS microchip that if removed fatal harm results....just really tired of these SO's being safer on the streets then our precious children.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:55:52 PM
I'm not sure if I already posted this or not, Pink Angel, but Harvest Vision Ministries has at least one of the same photos as is on Wayne Watne's Flickr page.  So, one would naturally assume that the sponsoring church would know that this person Wayne Watne was part of the mission work in December '08 in San Luis, Sonora, Mexico.  Perhaps the woman who answered the phone was simply not aware of him.  I would love to know, however, if the church also has the photos that Wayne has removed from his Flickr page of photos.  Wouldn't we all?  There's one on the church Flickr page of him with a little blonde girl on his shoulders.  Another photo shows him in a group photo, but he is kneeling apart from the others.  I dunno, probably not much of anything when viewed alone, but with everything that's pointing his way, something to observe, at least.

Here are the links:


http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvestvision/sets/72157604475001424/?page=2)
Above link is the Dec 08 Mexico Harvest Ministry Mission.  Wayne has some of the same photos on his flickr page.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/watnews/)
Wayne’s photos are in the link above, same trip with Harvest Ministries.  Dec. 08


Thank you Kim,I lost the link for the Harvest Mission pics.I was thinking that the "food fight,carnaval"images were in there and not Wayne Watne's but nope.They are gone and it looks like Wayne Watne removed them.....Why remove only those pics?Just about everyone of those pics had kids in them.One set was a girls overnight trip,looked like it was in a gym.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 04:57:59 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


Sherip did you see the website that you got these directions from?  It's a role playing website that is going to be meeting at this park Aug 7th.  Not saying that anything is wrong with role playing or the group...but...they are role playing magicians and such.

http://www.legacieslarp.org/index.php



Mmmmm...No - I thought I was looking at a boyscout website I just clicked on a link and got the directions.  That is weird - they have another one at Millersylvania which is really close to where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

I sort of got side tracked reading the directions and thinking about the word "Fork" and how often it is coming up in this whole situation with Lindsey.  The town, the twighlight series, the Arson Fire Directions, The boy scout camp, the creek by Jim Mullins, the comment under a newspaper article to look for Linsey in Forks.  I have never noticed that word being used so often before.  It is not a real common word to use.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 04:58:50 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:11:01 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.

Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:16:02 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


somewhere I had looked all this up and posted a map of this place etc.  I have been looking for it ugh.  I need to look at that map again to look for WORDS and the layout of those FORKS/creeks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 14, 2009, 05:16:23 PM
Rebecca Martinson   http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:20:07 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC



I have no idea who they are or are not investigating.  I guess they are not telling anyone a whole lot about much. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:23:53 PM
the church on 3rd street in elma is
Northwest Life Center
one of the people preaching is none other than the uncle of michael feeser the sex offender


The Daily World – July 1, 2009-07-06

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699

My bold above - Did Michael Feesers uncle happen to be one of them?

Also, someone posted earlier that they had called the Evergreen Christian Center in Olympia and had asked about their missionary/minister/member Wayne Watne and they (the church home office) had no idea who that was.   No record of a Wayne Watne.  I looked on the facebook accounts that the church lists on their website but Wayne Watne is not in that group - yet if you go to facebook you can find him.

He does not show up as a staff member of that church either.

Very Strange.



I am the one that called the church in Olympia and the reporter.

I called and asked if WW was a minister. The lady that answered the phone said she had never heard of WW.

I then called the Daily World and spoke to Callie White who wrote the article. She said he had called and corrected her that he was a "missionary". She said she planned on writing a retraction. (don't know if she did or not) She also thought it weird that Olympia had never heard of him.

another monkey (don't remember who) said that there is an offshoot of the same church in McCleary and he was probably a missionary from there. Which is why Olympia may have never heard of him because he is "working for" the McCleary offshoot.



I had found info(forget now what it was) and posted about an offshoot etc.  it is somewhere in all that huge thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 14, 2009, 05:29:41 PM
Out of respect for ScaredMonkeys and all the "traditional" researchers here, if this is something you would rather not see on this board, please let me know, and I will take it elsewhere.  I do understand that 99.9% of the people will never believe this stuff is going on and it will discredit me to the max to be saying this stuff, which will also reflect on the scaredmonkey's board.  So I full well will understand if you do not want this discussed here.  So please tell me if you would rather not have this discussed here and I will do it elsewhere.  I really have to dig into this stuff in this case because I have too much information to igore it.
I say go for it DD.Everything has to be looked at and investigated IMO.

IMO go for it.
If you go too far for me, well, I will not say a word as Klaasend sets the rules and the tone and all of that jazz. And take rest breaks and take care of yourself too while you are at it. We did things to ourselves in the NH case where we were dreaming this stuff.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 14, 2009, 05:36:06 PM
State review of logging site joined by those who OK'd it
By LEWIS KAMB
P-I INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

<snipped>
State forestry officials are investigating claims made about a recent logging project conducted at a Boy Scout camp in Southwest Washington, after a consultant who reviewed it for the Seattle P-I concluded that it violated three state rules, including required protections to a waterway that provides habitat to protected salmon.

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
Leslie Lingley, who described herself as "team leader" of the state forest practices' science team, and state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne stop to talk Tuesday after inspecting the buffer zone around Delezenne Creek, on land owned by the Pacific Harbors Council of the Boy Scouts of America, near Elma.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/398845_scoutsfolo05.html

Could someone add to the map where this Boy Scout Camp is.  If I have missed it my apologies.


Camp Delezene

http://www.legacieslarp.org/gamemenu/events.php#5

From I-5, take exit 104 to US-101 toward Aberdeen/Port Angeles .

 From US-101, take WA-8 toward Montesano/Aberdeen 

 WA-8 will become US-12

 From US-12 take the second exit for Elma onto S 3rd Street

 Left onto S 3rd Street 

 S 3rd Street will become Wakefield Rd.

 Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork) 

Right on Delezene Creek Rd., follow until the end of the pavement, and continue on the gravel road (Mapquest and Expedia both say that the road changes names a a few times, but we didn't see any signs to tell us that, so just follow the gravel road). There's a couple of roads to turn off onto, but just keep going straight. You'll go over a couple tiny bridges, just follow the road all the way until you find a a Weyerhaeuser forest sign instructing you not to tresspass. As strange as it sounds, continue passed the Weyerhaeuser sign (don't turn onto another road, just go down the road with the sign), following the road. Shortly, you will see signs for Camp Delezenne (Weyerhaeuser just happens to own the land around the campgrounds). You will see a small, grassy parking lot on the right-hand side where you will need to park. As you continue down the road, you will see the ranger house on the left and a couple cabins and the lodge just passed the ranger house, also on the left side of the road. 



Bear left onto S Bank Rd. (it's not a true left turn, just a slight curve at a fork)
This was the same area as the forest fire in Capitol Forest. 
Some one had posted directions to that location in the #1-Lindsey Baum discussion board.  I remember reading it because it said "fork". 


somewhere I had looked all this up and posted a map of this place etc.  I have been looking for it ugh.  I need to look at that map again to look for WORDS and the layout of those FORKS/creeks.




You have a map in your July 11 posts....I tried to make a copyto paste it here but it didnt work.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 05:51:50 PM
CORRECTING AN ERROR. 

WILLIAM JAY ROUNDTREE IS THE COUSIN OF MICHAEL DAVID FEESER/SEX OFFENDER
NOT THE UNCLE

sorry about the error


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:01:01 PM
Rebecca Martinson   http://www.theolympian.com/topstories/v-standalone/story/852170.html


The family of a 15-year-old Olympia girl who has been missing since she ran away from a residential facility for at-risk teens April 24 seeks the public's help in finding her.
Susan Martinson said her daughter, Rebecca, has away before, but she always called her family. Also, there has been no activity on her daughter's MySpace page since before she disappeared, she said.

"Before, she would always call,” Susan Martinson said. “It may not have been a pleasant call, but she’d call. She hasn’t this time. It’s really scaring us."

Martinson said her daughter’s friends don’t know where she is, either.

“We’re just concerned for her safety,” she said.

Martinson said her daughter was an honors student at Olympia High School before she got involved in drugs. She added that her daughter needs medication, and as far as she knows, all she has are the clothes on her back.

“We want the best for her,” she said, adding that it's OK if her daughter doesn't want to live at home, but she wants her to be in a safe place.

Rebecca Martinson is 5 feet, 3 inches tall and about 130 pounds. She has a piercing on her left bottom lip, and her nickname is Becca.

Anyone with information about her whereabouts is asked to call the Olympia Police Department at 360-753-8300.


Also this one..
Updated: 12:43 pm PDT March 23, 2009

TENINO, Wash. -- Police searching with specially trained dogs on Sunday found no sign of a missing Tenino woman who disappeared about two weeks ago.

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee was reported missing by her estranged husband when he came to her home to drop off their two daughters, whose custody they share, police said.

Although detectives and Moyer's friends have combed the area near her home before, Sunday's search was the first in which dogs were used. Police and volunteers used 10 dog teams, including bloodhounds and cadaver dogs.

"At this point in the investigation, the human element is going to be the thing that turns this investigation," said Lt. Chris Mealy of the Thurston County Sheriff's Office. "Someone knows something. Somebody (saw) something. Now it's our job to get in contact with those people and get them to talk to us."

Mealy noted that Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker, a period "where almost anything could have happened or nothing at all."

Mealy said there has been no activity in Moyer's bank accounts.

Moyer did not have a cell phone, so investigators cannot use those records to track her.

Mealy said that the disappearance of the mother of two was "very suspicious, a lot of red flags on this," but there are no suspects in the case.
http://www.kirotv.com/news/18994414/detail.html

Fundraisers held for families of 2 missing women

06:15 PM PDT on Saturday, June 13, 2009


KENT, Wash. - Today two fundraising efforts were held for the families of 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore of Kent and 36-year-old Nancy Moyer of Tenino.

Both women have been missing for several months, and police have little clues as to what might have happened to the two.

"I'm just looking for that one person who knows some kind of information and they'll see this and understand what my family is going through," says Darius Burgans, Alyssa's father.

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.

Today her family is holding a car wash fundraiser to raise enough money for a reward. They're hoping the money will be the incentive for someone to come forward with information.

Sixty miles away in Lacey, Bev Poston's resolve is just as strong. Her good friend and co-worker Nancy Moyer disappeared without a trace from her home in Tenino last March, leaving behind 9- and 11-year-old daughters.

"I have a big concern that whoever took her if they get away with this they're going to do it again," says Poston, who is raising money for Moyer's daughters, who now live with their father.

"If there was any way she'd move heaven and earth to get to her daughters, she adores her daughters."

You can donate to both the Alyssa McLemore and Nancy Moyer Funds at US Bank.

(http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.11fd101b4ff.93.88.fa.d0.28074c81.jpg)
Nancy Moyer

(http://www.nwcn.com/topstories/stories/M_IMAGE.11fd101b4ff.93.88.fa.d0.e04c484c.jpg)
Alyssa A. McLemore
http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=619643


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:09:38 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

stacie watne has a kent address


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 06:16:49 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

stacie watne has a kent address

hand on to that thought for a moment and let me go confirm that, I THINK I remember that but I don't want to make any more mistakes here


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 14, 2009, 06:22:16 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this
DD,is that Rebecca Martinson from Olympia?

http://www.theolympian.com/670/story/852170.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:30:32 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee
Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9.
A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?


I have a hinky feeling about this..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:31:21 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee
Moyer was reported missing two days after she was last seen by a coworker

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9.
A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?

(http://www.seattlepi.com/dayart/20090205/621delezene05_4_ga_02-05-2009_FF36H05.jpg)
I have a hinky feeling about this..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:36:46 PM
We always come across strange stuff.. It may mean nothing..
Gold neck chains ..close cut beard...trimmed hair.. am I looking at a mountain man or a playboy wanna be ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 14, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: cookie on July 14, 2009, 07:07:20 PM
Edward....hmmmmmmm......very interesting stuff there! ^^^^


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 07:49:48 PM
I have been looking at old articles in and around the area to see if there are other "runaways" so to speak etc.  This area has been troubled for some time and based on the low population I am   ::MonkeyEek:: .  Take a look at this:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=982&dat=19990603&id=-x0WAAAAIBAJ&sjid=oRUEAAAAIBAJ&pg=1816,1037459

I am told there is a missing girl in Elma named Rebecca.  I will have to get her last name, Her mother tried to get some help I am told and no one would help.  I will try to get more info about this
DD,is that Rebecca Martinson from Olympia?

http://www.theolympian.com/670/story/852170.html



no, it is a local girl out of Elma, some local told me that the girls mother was passing out flyers in Elma, that the police just think she ran away and they won't do anything.  I will ask the local if they have the last name of her, age whatever, I just have so much going on I keep getting sidetracked and forget to do things. 
sorry for taking so long to answer, I had to go lie down and sleep for a bit, but I am up now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 07:51:18 PM
We always come across strange stuff.. It may mean nothing..
Gold neck chains ..close cut beard...trimmed hair.. am I looking at a mountain man or a playboy wanna be ?  ::MonkeyNoNo::




that is NO mountain man!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: NCSunny on July 14, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

Hmmm, most park ranger & DNR vehicles are dark green, at least they are in Mich. & SC.

Just an observation. I just moved to NC, and haven't seen any here yet.

WW definately doesn't look too outdoorsy to me, even with the green shirt & vest.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 08:28:15 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.

which man are you talking about?  is it the other person in the photo with the wayne watne?  that is a woman LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:14:47 PM
Can anyone identify the man in the photo in this local article? 

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt (http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt)

I am, by NO MEANS, diverting attention away from WW.  I think he needs to be looked at very, very thoroughly. If I were in charge, I would be dogging him like a big dog.   But I am curious about this man in this photo for a couple reasons.

DD, can you say whether you or your source knows if WW is being investigated?

And Concerned, to you, please know that we all offer our heartfelt sympathy for the grief and confusion you feel over Kylie's death.  And to Kylie's family, we are all so sorry for your loss.  But, I thank God that you have joined this forum and are able to offer what you know.  Many Blessings to you.

KimC


He kinda creeps me out too.I don't know who he is but he looks somewhat like a man I saw in the pics that went poof....the foodfight/fun activities set.

which man are you talking about?  is it the other person in the photo with the wayne watne?  that is a woman LOL

oh brother I am losing it LOL.  I thought you meant the pick with wayne watne in it, my computer was locking up and I could not click the link, but I see what you mean now.  hmmm that guy might have been on a myspace?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:31:20 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 09:34:04 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)
it could be, but he might work with his hands as well??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 14, 2009, 09:52:35 PM
well yes he could get the cuts and scrapes from all kinds of things.  I am just wondering if they are tats or cuts or what.  I always have my hands cut up  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 14, 2009, 10:36:06 PM
well yes he could get the cuts and scrapes from all kinds of things.  I am just wondering if they are tats or cuts or what.  I always have my hands cut up  ::MonkeyDevil::
i can't tell ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 14, 2009, 10:38:39 PM
At first I thought possibly a mechanic, but where would you get red "ink"/color from?  Maybe a tattoo artist?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 15, 2009, 01:35:22 AM
concernedmommyinwa, I am sorry for the loss of your daughter's friend, Kylie. I hope what I just posted doesn't upset you too much.

This is a missing person/crime forum and sometimes the details we talk about can be a bit gruesome, especially for friends and family members.

I am sorry.

Pink Angel, what you have posted are facts. What upsets me is that no one has seemed to care from the day Kylie went missing, that she was gone. She was 12, and she was classified as a runaway, and pretty much ignored. I hope that what you guys are doing makes another family not have to go through this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 15, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 15, 2009, 02:04:26 AM

[/quote]

Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 01:45:14 PM


Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.
[/quote]

thank you for the links I will try to go read through them in a bit.  I want to look at kylie's case.  I have so much I am working on right now to try to help find Lindsey, but I do want to take a look at Kylie's case.  It is too bizarre and just the few posts I have read on this thread about the circumstances of her going missing, then being seen, then all that canal strangeness and the suicide note, it makes no sense to me already.  And for all we know kylie's case MIGHT BE connected to some of the others.  It is close for one thing(as you have stated) and bizarre.

thanks for any info or links etc or thoughts you can add.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 01:55:41 PM
Rainier Chapel was established in 1935 as the Rainier Union Chapel. Today we are referred to as Rainier Chapel. We are a Non-Denominational Purpose Driven Church that seeks to show that God is real and relevant to our daily lives.

 

We have a small congregation of approximately 100 families. Approximately 30 members attend morning traditional service, and 70 members attend the contemporary second service.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:01:35 PM
Constitution/articles/doctrine/beliefs etc of raineer chapel
http://rainierchapel.com/constitution.htm#Art3


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:09:56 PM
thurston county sex offenders failing to register.

we might should check out addresses for these guys, see if any area connected to mccleary, just the next county over, they could have relatives in mccleary and went there and not listed there.

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080408.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:11:47 PM
sketch and description of person in thruston county wanted for incidence with child

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080327.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:16:00 PM
thurston county, sketch and description AND WHITE CAR, guy offered ride and sex for money to a 14 year old, had stuff in the car looked like his personal belongings etc... maybe this guy made it to Mccleary.  the WHITE CAR? 

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080108.pdf


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 15, 2009, 02:19:06 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002

I hope somebody gets this information to local investigators.. It needs to be looked into.
jmho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:20:42 PM
I wonder if any of the above people in the sketches might be hiding in mccleary/elma, or at that church who won't allow photos because some of the people do not want the law to know where they are at.  I will send these links to locals elma and see if they have recognized anyone around there like that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 02:22:33 PM
One of the missing women..


Alyssa McLemore
Missing Since April 9th, 2009....

is a Mother, Daughter, Grandaughter, Sister, Cousin, Neice, Friend..
Most of all she is a HUMAN BEING....
As most of everyone has seen the news, read the papers, or heard from someone. Alyssa McLemore has not been seen or heard from since the evening of April 9th, 2009. Sadly Alyssa’s mother has since passed away. Her family has been overwhelmed with the pain that this has caused. The loss of Gracie on April 12, 2009 and the disappearance of Alyssa 3 days prior.


http://www.myspace.com/alyssa_mclemore

http://www.pnwlocalnews.com/south_king/ken/news/48539517.html


Police Share New Leads In Hopes Of Finding Missing Kent Woman
More than two months after 21-year-old Alyssa McLemore disappeared, police have new information they've learned from possible witnesses. They're sharing the new lead with the public with the hope of finding out what happened to her.
Q13 FOX News Online Staff reporter
June 19, 2009

Kent - Police are giving us new details on a missing Kent woman -- and asking for your help identifying a man she was seen talking to.

21-year-old Alyssa Mclemore disappeared April 9th.

On the night she vanished, police say someone using her phone called 911 -- and a female voice was heard asking for help.

Now detectives say a witness in the area of Kent-Des Moines Road and 30th Avenue S. says Alyssa was approached by a mid to late-90's green pickup, possibly a standard cab, with Oregon license plates.

A second witness described a white man, 55 to 62 years old, five foot eight, and weighing around 180 pounds -- and driving a similar green truck.

It's believed Alyssa knows the driver of that truck.

http://www.q13fox.com/community/wamostwanted/kcpq-061909-wmw-alyssamclemore,0,3460051.story

So what is Wayne driving these days ?
He fits the description..

I was just peeking over at this board reading up on this case and noticed that a few pages back someone found a address that Wayne Watne occupied in Oregon. I don't know how to bump that over, so I am just going to copy and paste it. Sorry it this is just repeated information.


Name: Wayne Watne
Spouse: Stacie
Address: 33017 SE Peoria Rd
City: Corvallis
State: Oregon
Zip Code: 97333-2529
Phone Number: xxxxxx
Residence Years: 2001 2002

I hope somebody gets this information to local investigators.. It needs to be looked into.
jmho

I have more info on the oregon info for wayne watne.  I will try to get it all together in on place or post or if someone else can let me know and I will work on someothing else.  I think I put most of the oregon wane watn info in the wayne watne thread,


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 04:03:53 PM


Hi and Welcome

Do you know the name of the church the youth group was at?
I have not read about thiscase other than have seen her name here and there.  Is there a link where I can read about her?
[/quote]

First I wanted to thank everyone for their sympathy about Kylie's passing. Second I talked to Kylie's family today and found out the youth group she was going to is called E-life.  http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup (http://www.myspace.com/elifeyouthgroup) is a link to their myspace page. It is held at Rainier Chapel, in Rainier. http://rainierchapel.com/ (http://rainierchapel.com/) Rainier is located 40 miles from McCleary, and 8 miles from Tenino, where Nancy Moyer disappeared.

Also, I wanted to add a link for the person who aske for more information about Kylie http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/ (http://www.protectyelm.org/2008/12/missing-yelm-girl/). Sorry this was all I could find that wasn't another message board.

Again, thank you all for caring, and be so committed to what you are doing here.
[/quote]
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 04:29:46 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)
Thanks DD
His fingers look more banged up and not a tattoo.Maybe someone local has seen him around and might know who he is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 04:43:10 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 05:35:55 PM
thurston county, sketch and description AND WHITE CAR, guy offered ride and sex for money to a 14 year old, had stuff in the car looked like his personal belongings etc... maybe this guy made it to Mccleary.  the WHITE CAR? 

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/hp-docs/press-releases/Press-Release-20080108.pdf
The sketch in this link looks like a wanted offender from your first link posted above this post.....Tyler G. McGee.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 05:39:35 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::

Did you look at the photo from the newspaper that is earlier in this post compared to the photo you lightened up?  What do you think? Do you see any similarities?  I do,  but honestly I am not sure if I just want so see them so we can find Lindsey before she ends up like Kylie.  It would be something concrete to give LE if he knew both girls.  Sure surprized me when I saw the photo and caption.

Does anyone know if WW plays guitar at the McCleary church?


Here is a photo from facebook


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 15, 2009, 05:49:10 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 05:58:55 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html



June 2009 news from same website

 “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 06:26:17 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 15, 2009, 06:38:31 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.

Kara, I started and run Nevaeh Buchanan's facebook page and would be glad to help you on that end if you need it. Just let me know.

You can email me at justice4themissing@gmail.com or message me on facebook.  http://www.facebook.com/4themissing.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2009, 06:45:38 PM
Sorry I have not been around things have been really busy here with things regarding Lindsey but I wanted to stop in and give you a couple of updates.

I just wanted to give you guys a heads up Melissa Baum has agreed to be on Nancy Grace I believe this Thursday after conversing with Marc Klaas. So thought some may be interested in watching that or at least knowing to look out for it.

We've set up (per suggestion) a website findlindseybaum.com and a facebook page also Find Lindsey Baum for anyone interested in those. I set up the facebook but am unfamiliar with that site so suggestions are welcome if anyone has any.

A member of the family of Amber Dubois has come up here and been talking with the Baums and myself. Amber disappeared from CA in February and there is still no sign of Amber as of today nor a clue leading to her disappearance. They watch the missing children broadcasts and felt a sense of connection when they heard Lindsey's story and a long with Marc Klaas offered up some advice and suggestions and are helping us to set up a search center and a few other things which if they get set up I will post the update here.

Since I am away from the board so much if anyone posts or has a specific question or comment for me please let me know so I don't miss it. You can email me at momwhowrites@comcast.net.

Keep digging - I told Marc Klaas what an amazing job you guys have been doing and I also know shortly after some information has posted to this forum there are questions being asked locally so you guys are making an impact.

KaraK - just so it's clear, we are not affiliated with Marc Klaas or any of his sites.  My nickname, Klaasend, has nothing to do with Marc Klaas and never has.  I just didn't want any misunderstandings.  I have nothing against Marc Klaas or his sites and have nothing but respect for him.  We are not affiliated with him though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
Harvest Vision Ministries

<snipped>
 

June 2009 US News
A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area. 


US News December 2008
George and Linda accompanied Elisabeth and the rest of the team that represented different church families in the Skagit Valley, as well as Wayne Watne, that recently moved from Mt. Vernon, where he attended the Mt. Vernon Church of the Nazarene to McLeary, WA. The team drove through snowy passes towing a trailer of gifts, food, blankets, sewing machines and supplies, Bibles and other ministry supplies.

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html


The ministry is supported by brothers and sisters in Christ from different areas and churches that share their time, talents and resources.

Although many of us attend different churches locally, we build and maintain our relationships by hosting men's, women's and family worship services at different churches and participating with local churches and ministries outside of our own local church families

http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/page/page/6528585.htm

so wayne is not part of any one denominational chruch.  so he might be in one church in one town ad a totaly different deomination in another.  Therefore he would not be a MEMBER of these churches and he would be a missionary who moves from churhch to church...or so it seems.  this seems what harvest ministries is stating they do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 15, 2009, 06:51:21 PM

Quote
I went to the e-life youth group website that you provided above and I have a couple of quesstions about the photos.

Is there any way to find out where their winter camp 2009 was held?  It looks like some sort of camp with cabins.  Wouldn't that be a surprise if it was Camp Delezene....

And also a photo caught my attention in the album "in Christ We Stand"  Please look at the photo with caption "WAYNE // INCREDIBLE GUITARIST"  I have tried to attach the photo but am not sure if I did it the right way.

Is this WW?  Could it be him without a beard?


 



I blew the photo up and lightened it so you can see it better

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/buamrainguit1.jpg) ::MonkeyAngel::

Did you look at the photo from the newspaper that is earlier in this post compared to the photo you lightened up?  What do you think? Do you see any similarities?  I do,  but honestly I am not sure if I just want so see them so we can find Lindsey before she ends up like Kylie.  It would be something concrete to give LE if he knew both girls.  Sure surprized me when I saw the photo and caption.

Does anyone know if WW plays guitar at the McCleary church?


Here is a photo from facebook


I may have found a sort of connection thru the e-life group in Rainier

This was in the link given for the youth group that Kylie was attending.

E-LIFE Announcements:

FUSION July 22, 2009
Yelm Prairie Christian Center
Need a ride? Meet at Rainier Chapel @ 6:40pm
Start time = 7pm and End time = 9pm

I did a search for the Yelm Prarie Christian Center and came up Harvest Life Christian Church
http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/WA/Olympia/Churches+Christian/

Could this be connected to WW by the Harvest Vision Ministries

I thought the connection was thru the Evergreen Christian Center but it may be thru the Harvest Vision Ministries.  This along with the Photo's that I located has sort of got me spooked.

He seems to have a connection with everything we have discussed the past few days.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 06:57:12 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 06:57:44 PM

KaraK - just so it's clear, we are not affiliated with Marc Klaas or any of his sites.  My nickname, Klaasend, has nothing to do with Marc Klaas and never has.  I just didn't want any misunderstandings.  I have nothing against Marc Klaas or his sites and have nothing but respect for him.  We are not affiliated with him though.

You know I never actually made that connection but I am glad that you cleared that up because I am sure at some point I would have looked at the names and went "hmm". I will say after talking with him and visiting his sites I was quite impressed - like many here on the board he is very dedicated to doing what he can and helping anyway that he can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 07:00:37 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.

I can find that out. I will let you know the answer as soon as I get it - I am currently waiting for a call back from Melissa so I should know within the next few hours unless I see Josh first.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 15, 2009, 07:29:57 PM
kara I will post this her because you are on here but if you don't answer right off I will email you.

is there any way to find out (maybe even ask josh) if wayne watne every goes to the church in elma.

I can find that out. I will let you know the answer as soon as I get it - I am currently waiting for a call back from Melissa so I should know within the next few hours unless I see Josh first.
Kara,could you also ask if Lindsey and Josh were in the girlscouts/boyscouts,if yes,where were the meeting places located?Were either Josh or Lindsey involved in ANY type of child/youth groups run by a church or a church meeting place?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 07:43:34 PM
one more thing kara

I am told there is a new local flyer in the news there.  Is there anyway you or someone can scan that and post it.  I see they corrected the wording for the pullover shirt from sweatshirt. that is good

______________________
there's a slightly updated flyer in the ad section of the paper, put out by our local grocery store.  it has 4 photos of lindsey and reads:
Please Help Us Find Our Community Girl - Lindsey J. Baum, 10 Year Old Female
D.O.B. 1998-07-07 HT: 4'9" WT: 80 lbs. EYES: Brown HAIR: Brown
Lindsey was last seen at about 9:15 P.M. Friday night, June 26, 2009 leaving her friends home after she visited on Maple Street.
Lindsey was to walk the four blocks to her residence on Mommsen Road in McCleary.  She did not come home.
Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 P.M.  She was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
if you have any information regarding this child, please call the Grays Harbor County E911 Center at (360) 533-8765
if out of county call 1-800-281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 08:15:19 PM
is there the video of wayne watne speaking at the vigil?  anyone have a link to that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 08:17:14 PM
[qoute] sherip wrote

I may have found a sort of connection thru the e-life group in Rainier

This was in the link given for the youth group that Kylie was attending.

E-LIFE Announcements:

FUSION July 22, 2009
Yelm Prairie Christian Center
Need a ride? Meet at Rainier Chapel @ 6:40pm
Start time = 7pm and End time = 9pm

I did a search for the Yelm Prarie Christian Center and came up Harvest Life Christian Church
http://www.yellowpagecity.com/US/WA/Olympia/Churches+Christian/

Could this be connected to WW by the Harvest Vision Ministries

I thought the connection was thru the Evergreen Christian Center but it may be thru the Harvest Vision Ministries.  This along with the Photo's that I located has sort of got me spooked.

He seems to have a connection with everything we have discussed the past few days.
[/quote]

I wish we could really figure out just who wayne watne is connected to.  he says he is a missionary, but from where?  and how many churches does he affiliate with?  all of them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 08:44:52 PM
one more thing kara

I am told there is a new local flyer in the news there.  Is there anyway you or someone can scan that and post it.  I see they corrected the wording for the pullover shirt from sweatshirt. that is good

______________________
there's a slightly updated flyer in the ad section of the paper, put out by our local grocery store.  it has 4 photos of lindsey and reads:
Please Help Us Find Our Community Girl - Lindsey J. Baum, 10 Year Old Female
D.O.B. 1998-07-07 HT: 4'9" WT: 80 lbs. EYES: Brown HAIR: Brown
Lindsey was last seen at about 9:15 P.M. Friday night, June 26, 2009 leaving her friends home after she visited on Maple Street.
Lindsey was to walk the four blocks to her residence on Mommsen Road in McCleary.  She did not come home.
Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 P.M.  She was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
if you have any information regarding this child, please call the Grays Harbor County E911 Center at (360) 533-8765
if out of county call 1-800-281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

I believe her family printed up that flyer. I will get a copy of it as well as one that we will be printing that will be easy to email around courtesy of "Laura Recovery Center".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 15, 2009, 08:45:49 PM

Kara,could you also ask if Lindsey and Josh were in the girlscouts/boyscouts,if yes,where were the meeting places located?Were either Josh or Lindsey involved in ANY type of child/youth groups run by a church or a church meeting place?

I know Lindsey was a part of the girl scouts I will find out about Josh and also where the meetings were held. I will let you know as soon as I can !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 15, 2009, 09:14:14 PM
state Fish and Wildlife biologist Wayne Watne

Nancy Moyers, a 36-year-old Department of Ecology employee

Alyssa was last heard from on April 9. A day later police received a 9-1-1 call from her cell phone, but were not able to trace the call beyond Kent.


Does Wayne know these 2 women ?

I also have a question about this area for local residents..
The cell phone could have been far out in the country and still worked or no way ?
Sorry I was not on yesterday. In some places it does work. If she had verizon thes yes more than likley it would work. It gets spotty in some places. I have just walked a block or so to higher ground and usualy get service anywhere out in the woods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 15, 2009, 09:35:51 PM
T/Y

He is looking very Perp at this moment.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:01:28 PM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:02:57 PM
so if wayne watne was at the mt vernon church on the team in 2008, when did he move to Mccleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:04:47 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:07:26 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:10:58 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:12:23 PM
all of the staff at the mt vernon church including the pastor and the youth ministere are women, not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is just uncommon for the ALL to be women.  I wonder what Wayne was there, did he have a title/position or was he just another member?

http://www.mountvernonnaz.org/staff.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:13:06 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??

the one out in the forest with the sunglasses on.  he just looks different in that one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:14:25 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
::MonkeyEek::
really it looks like shelf, a sword, and some kind of branch/dead plant....my aunt had those things in vases in the late '80s ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:16:04 PM
you know, all the photos of wayne watne look exactly the same, except the one of him standing at the delezene area photo, that one just looks different.  is he changing his looks?
which photo is that??

the one out in the forest with the sunglasses on.  he just looks different in that one.
beard was thicker and darker...maybe grecian formula for facial hair???...not so much gray in that pic, but could be lighting as well...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:17:08 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
::MonkeyEek::
really it looks like shelf, a sword, and some kind of branch/dead plant....my aunt had those things in vases in the late '80s ::MonkeyWink::
he kinda looks like a hippy in this one...not so 'play-boy'...hummm the 2 sides of WW?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 10:20:07 PM
this is the photo from facebook, I blew it up some, what is that stuff hanging on the wall.  looks like a bunch of ropes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baum-ww-2.jpg)
he looks 20lbs lighter in this compared to the woods pic..?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 10:42:11 PM
I see some type of necklace -- beads? stones?  I realize the picture has been blown up, it is my imagination (which right now is running at high) but look at his hands.  Do they have colors on them as well at that other guy?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 10:43:38 PM
ok, going with my wild imagination now, thing on wall a walking stick, twigs, and part of a harp shape?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 15, 2009, 10:51:37 PM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
ok somewhere the aliance church came up with the address of the new life center.  this is not correct, they are two different places, somehow on the web they showed the same address but they aren't.  A local just told me, one is at 215 3rd st and the other is at 315 3rd so must have been a typo and got entered as the same address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 15, 2009, 10:57:43 PM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08

the group photo is from the mt vernon nazarene church where he was a member and that came from the global ministry page on their site


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 15, 2009, 11:26:39 PM
Okay, I read a few pages back about where Stacie Watne (former wife of WW) lives.

Stacie Watne lives in Kent according to her MySpace page
Her daughter Rae Anne Watne lives in Port Angeles
Her other daughter Celeste Ingersol (Stacie's maiden name) lives in Olympia according to her MySpace page (she and Rae Anne appear on Stacie's MySpace page on the friends list). 

Nancy Moyer had two little girls.  If my memory serves me correctly, they are 11 and 9.  Do you think Nancy may have known something about you know who? 

Something is horribly wrong in Washington.  There are just way too many girls missing.  I mean, one is too many, but you know what I mean.  This is unspeakable.

We need to make some links to youth groups.  I am astounded that you all dig up what you do.  Some of the stuff seems so obscure.  I am so thankful for this group, for your work. 

Blessings to you All,
Kim


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 15, 2009, 11:47:05 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50897752.html

'Every day that goes by is just agony'
by Keith Eldridge

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090711_lindsey_baum.jpg)
Lindsey Baum is shown in a newly released photo

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- "Please, if anybody knows anything, even if you don't think it's important to you, it may be very beneficial to this case in bringing Lindsey home."

Lindsey Baum's father Scott made the emotional plea Wednesday as the family still waits for word of what happened to their daughter.

Lindsey disappeared June 26 walking home from a friend's house. Her parents are confident she's still alive.

"I feel her in my heart. I just know she's alive," said her mother Melissa. "I just want to say to whoever has my daughter: 'Please, just let her go.' I don't care who you are, I don't care where you are, I just want my daughter back."

The parents came forward Wednesday eager to make sure their daughter isn't forgotten.

"We want to keep her face out there," Melissa Baum said. "We want people to see who she is."

They've even created a couple of Web sites for folks to contact: lindseybaum.com and findlindseybaum.com.

"The search continues even though we don't see it," Scott Baum said. "There's still people out there looking for her. Everybody still has faith and that's all I can ask for is people don't give up on her."

Scott lives in Tennessee and is a member of the National Guard there. He was set to deploy to Iraq soon, but that may change.

"There's talk that they're not going to deploy me," he said.

It means he could stay stateside and stay on the search for his daughter.

"Just please bring my daughter home. Give us the peace of mind. Let her go unharmed."

Melissa added: "I still feel in my heart I know she's alive, but every day that goes by is just agony."

The Baum's have been contacted by other families across the nation who've been through the pain of a missing child offering words of encouragement, but saying it doesn't get easier.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 15, 2009, 11:53:53 PM
Thank you for sharing that beautiful picture.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 15, 2009, 11:58:12 PM
Okay, I read a few pages back about where Stacie Watne (former wife of WW) lives.

Stacie Watne lives in Kent according to her MySpace page
Her daughter Rae Anne Watne lives in Port Angeles
Her other daughter Celeste Ingersol (Stacie's maiden name) lives in Olympia according to her MySpace page (she and Rae Anne appear on Stacie's MySpace page on the friends list). 

Nancy Moyer had two little girls.  If my memory serves me correctly, they are 11 and 9.  Do you think Nancy may have known something about you know who? 

Something is horribly wrong in Washington.  There are just way too many girls missing.  I mean, one is too many, but you know what I mean.  This is unspeakable.

We need to make some links to youth groups.  I am astounded that you all dig up what you do.  Some of the stuff seems so obscure.  I am so thankful for this group, for your work. 

Blessings to you All,
Kim
i agree something stinks in WA..we either have a cereal killer (credit to no rose if thats the case) or a cult.....too many girls/women...FOR YEARS!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 16, 2009, 12:14:34 AM
I had started a comparison thread, maybe we should list all the missing we find with the info and start comparing the info to see which ones have the same common denominators, who or what kind of people they were around etc, where they worked, went to church, who their neighbors area etc, who might they know or be connected to in common.  who is living around ones in different places etc.  if found, where found, location comparison, like in town, in the woods, in the water

there are so many that if the same people/person is involved there should be common things pop up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 16, 2009, 12:22:18 AM
i wrote it all down from the link thread,,what i could keep up ..dates of missing)from thread 'till my eyes crossed...
june 7
sept 17
 feb 1
apri 9
july 20
feb 6
oct 21
june 24
july4
dec 2


there are others found but not a missing date....i'm sure its not accurate but the best i could do


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 12:29:14 AM
Good Evening all,

Regarding that group photo.  I guess that could be WW.  Not sure.  The guy in the photo looks like he has a wedding ring on.  But the necklace looks similar to the one WW is wearing on his Facebook page. 

Not sure it's him though.  In other photos his eyes are usually shadowed by his hat or he has glasses on. 

I agree  with the other poster.  That Facebook photo is older photo, when he was younger and definitely thinner.

Don't know about the guitar photo.  Could be him.  There were other guitarists at the Mexico Mission Dec. 08


The photo I posted on the Guitar player was taken in Rainier Washington at the church that another young girl  Kylie was a member of she was found dead in June.

I am trying to figure out if ww is also this wayne.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 12:29:53 AM
Was the last name Gregoire mentioned here or did I dream it?

This is from Cantu geneology:
6 Leonide Mary Lawless b: 12 Nov 1895 in Grafton, ON d: 29 Dec 1966 in St. Michaels Hospital,Toronto, ON
................... +Telesphore Gregoire b: 1893 in North Bay, ON m: 21 Jun 1921 in St. Mary's, Grafton, ON d: 1972 in Toronto, ON Fact 1: Canada Post employee m: 21 Jun 1921 in St. Mary's, Grafton, ON

I'm probaby way off here -- good night monkeys
 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 16, 2009, 12:46:51 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW
why do you think?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 16, 2009, 01:05:57 AM
Mt vernon chruch of the nazarene, looks like wayne watne far right

Lewis County Work & Witness Team 2008

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumwatnemtv-1.jpg)


Lewis County is where George Woodard is in jail---that is the county bordering grays harbor and thurston county where we have the missing people, (Nancy and Lindsey)

Mt. Vernon is about 200 miles away.  I am confused why they would have a Lewis County Work and Witness team down here but I do believe it is WW

well this is from their global team so I guess they send them out all over.  ??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 09:13:23 AM
Sherip....

I guess I missed something with the guitar player in Ranier.  HIS NAME IS WAYNE?  REALLY?

I missed that.  Is this posted with the photo somewhere?

Sorry to not be on the upbeat on this.

KimC


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 09:20:26 AM
Okay I am reviewing photos again.  Regarding the photo of WW from the "Lewis Work Team" from the Church of the Nazarene and the photo of WW with that other lady bilogist about the forest fire, the graying pattern on the beard appears to be the same.  Just my observation.

Can Kara or DD find out if there was a clean-shaven WW at Lindsey's vigil?  What did WW look like?  Wearing that beaded-type necklace?  Wedding ring?  Anything anyone would've noticed. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 10:01:18 AM
Search under way for 3 missing boys

06:41 AM PDT on Thursday, July 16, 2009

KING5.com

Video: Police searching for missing boys in Monroe
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MONROE, Wash. - Search teams are combing the area near the Evergreen Fairgrounds, looking for three boys missing since Wednesday night.

The boys, eight-year old Elijah Gertschitz, his 10-year-old brother Ethyan Gertschitz and their 11-year-old friend Dylan Lewis, were last seen outside playing in the 18000 block of 137th Street SE in Monroe.

The father of brothers thought he heard them at about 9:45 p.m. when he began calling them. He said he whistled and yelled for them but they did not respond. He called police about 45 minutes later.

Officers from the Monroe Police Department and deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office have been searching a wooded area near the home.

Officials say Elijah is wearing an orange t-shirt and faded jeans, Ethyan is in a grey t-shirt and blue jeans. Dylan Lewis is wearing a dark grey t-shirt with the letters 'DC' on it and dark blue jeans.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071609WAB_search-missing-monroe-boys-JM.46e1b830.html?rss

No Amber Alert yet. How far is Monroe from McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 16, 2009, 10:27:58 AM
Search under way for 3 missing boys

06:41 AM PDT on Thursday, July 16, 2009

KING5.com

Video: Police searching for missing boys in Monroe
Larger screen E-mail this clip
   

MONROE, Wash. - Search teams are combing the area near the Evergreen Fairgrounds, looking for three boys missing since Wednesday night.

The boys, eight-year old Elijah Gertschitz, his 10-year-old brother Ethyan Gertschitz and their 11-year-old friend Dylan Lewis, were last seen outside playing in the 18000 block of 137th Street SE in Monroe.

The father of brothers thought he heard them at about 9:45 p.m. when he began calling them. He said he whistled and yelled for them but they did not respond. He called police about 45 minutes later.

Officers from the Monroe Police Department and deputies from the Snohomish County Sheriff's Office have been searching a wooded area near the home.

Officials say Elijah is wearing an orange t-shirt and faded jeans, Ethyan is in a grey t-shirt and blue jeans. Dylan Lewis is wearing a dark grey t-shirt with the letters 'DC' on it and dark blue jeans.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071609WAB_search-missing-monroe-boys-JM.46e1b830.html?rss

No Amber Alert yet. How far is Monroe from McCleary?

108miles, 2hours drive


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 10:34:35 AM
Thanks, I started a thread for them in the Missing Forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 16, 2009, 10:39:01 AM
KaraK ~ I'm glad you've been contacted by the Dubois.  I saw eerie similarities between Lindsey's & Amber's cases early on.  They post here on the forum as well, although not as much the last few months.

Praying for a safe return of Lindsey & Amber! 

Lovinlife


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 11:32:52 AM
I read earlier that Lindsey wanted to be an author and had attended a writing camp.  By coincendnce WW is also a writer here. Here is a copy of a published letter in 2006. 

I am pasting seperating one statement of his letter because I am creeped out by it:

As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA




Further down in this page is complete article written by WW and website. 

There is also a response to his letter from another person:
friendlyatheist.com/2006/12/04/wired-article-response

Wired Article Response | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta
The cover of November's Wired magazine featured The New Atheists. ... Someone want to comment on what Wayne Watne said? Karen Says



http://www.wired.com/letters/2006/12/from_wayne_watn/

From Wayne Watne
By Wired Letters Department  December 1, 2006  |  11:09 am  |  Categories: Church of the Non-Believers, Issue 14.11, Religion
I would like to comment in the “Rants and Raves” column in regard to the aforementioned article published in your Wired magazine edition 14.11. I am a scientist, living on the west coast where the author states is “possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious”, and I am a Christian. I am constantly amazed that “well educated” people in the sciences can overlook the simple facts of the discipline in which they themselves participate. The very foundation of the sciences are that, simply stated; 1) matter cannot be created, and 2) everything goes from order to disorder.

To look at these concepts scientifically we need to know what “science” is. Science is looking at the evidence we have around us using each of our senses (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell) to investigate the world around us. Using the simple basics of their own discipline, scientists should be able to discern that there is matter present and if there is matter present, and matter cannot be created by nature or man, then the matter we can clearly observe, came from outside of the influence of man and nature. Furthermore, we can also use science to prove that evolution is in fact impossible. Science says everything goes from order to disorder, evolution says everything goes from disorder to order. Look at the world around us and show me evidence of anything that goes from disorder to order. Your body, home, car, clothes…they all start out orderly and with time become disorderly.


I find it very interesting that this article actually fulfills a biblical prophecy written 2000 years ago. These “scientists” discussed in the article were predicted by the apostle Paul in II Timothy 3:3-4 where it states “for the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the Truth and turn aside to myths”. These “educated” men want to teach what others want to hear… so they can do as they please without having any moral recourse. These men become successful because they are saying what others “itching ears” want to hear.

Thank you for publishing this article, it has been a great tool for me as I show my children and others the “stories” written thousands of years ago in the Bible being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. Keep up the good work. As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA



I am not sure if this information was posted earlier.  If it was I sorry for taking up space.  I just thought that the "writing" angle would be a common interest for WW and Lindsey to share.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 16, 2009, 11:47:07 AM
Very interesting Sherip & Welcome to SM!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 16, 2009, 12:40:36 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 16, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.

I have read that also somewhere, hmmmm wired magazine...Was this on another case? I have what I call a half memory, I can remember 1/2 of things, like I read this, not idea why or when but I did!

You all are doing an amazing job. I hope LE is following up on your ideas. Just popping in before going back to the hospital to relieve my husband. They are moving my fil to hospice care today we think. I hope his suffering is over soon.   Cancer is a horrible thing, we all need to fight for a cure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 12:59:26 PM
sherip... How strange...
I actually copy and pasted this Wayne letter some time back to my notes on Bible and God.
I liked the analogy of it..

Here you are posting it..and I already have it.

What a small world. How strange it shows up in a missing person case.

I have read that also somewhere, hmmmm wired magazine...Was this on another case? I have what I call a half memory, I can remember 1/2 of things, like I read this, not idea why or when but I did!

You all are doing an amazing job. I hope LE is following up on your ideas. Just popping in before going back to the hospital to relieve my husband. They are moving my fil to hospice care today we think. I hope his suffering is over soon.   Cancer is a horrible thing, we all need to fight for a cure.

My prayers go with you, Tracygirl.  I understand what a difficult time this is for your family.  Blessings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:01:48 PM
I read earlier that Lindsey wanted to be an author and had attended a writing camp.  By coincendnce WW is also a writer here. Here is a copy of a published letter in 2006. 

I am pasting seperating one statement of his letter because I am creeped out by it:

As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA




Further down in this page is complete article written by WW and website. 

There is also a response to his letter from another person:
friendlyatheist.com/2006/12/04/wired-article-response

Wired Article Response | Friendly Atheist by Hemant Mehta
The cover of November's Wired magazine featured The New Atheists. ... Someone want to comment on what Wayne Watne said? Karen Says



http://www.wired.com/letters/2006/12/from_wayne_watn/

From Wayne Watne
By Wired Letters Department  December 1, 2006  |  11:09 am  |  Categories: Church of the Non-Believers, Issue 14.11, Religion
I would like to comment in the “Rants and Raves” column in regard to the aforementioned article published in your Wired magazine edition 14.11. I am a scientist, living on the west coast where the author states is “possibly the social group that is least likely among all Americans to be religious”, and I am a Christian. I am constantly amazed that “well educated” people in the sciences can overlook the simple facts of the discipline in which they themselves participate. The very foundation of the sciences are that, simply stated; 1) matter cannot be created, and 2) everything goes from order to disorder.

To look at these concepts scientifically we need to know what “science” is. Science is looking at the evidence we have around us using each of our senses (sight, sound, taste, touch, smell) to investigate the world around us. Using the simple basics of their own discipline, scientists should be able to discern that there is matter present and if there is matter present, and matter cannot be created by nature or man, then the matter we can clearly observe, came from outside of the influence of man and nature. Furthermore, we can also use science to prove that evolution is in fact impossible. Science says everything goes from order to disorder, evolution says everything goes from disorder to order. Look at the world around us and show me evidence of anything that goes from disorder to order. Your body, home, car, clothes…they all start out orderly and with time become disorderly.


I find it very interesting that this article actually fulfills a biblical prophecy written 2000 years ago. These “scientists” discussed in the article were predicted by the apostle Paul in II Timothy 3:3-4 where it states “for the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn away from the Truth and turn aside to myths”. These “educated” men want to teach what others want to hear… so they can do as they please without having any moral recourse. These men become successful because they are saying what others “itching ears” want to hear.

Thank you for publishing this article, it has been a great tool for me as I show my children and others the “stories” written thousands of years ago in the Bible being fulfilled in front of our very eyes. Keep up the good work. As Jesus once said, “I am coming quickly, like a thief in the night when no one is ready”.

Thanks again, will I see you on the other side of life?

Wayne WatneMount Vernon, WA



I am not sure if this information was posted earlier.  If it was I sorry for taking up space.  I just thought that the "writing" angle would be a common interest for WW and Lindsey to share.



Thank you sherip.

Considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence and ... considering his connection to both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (Evergreen Church) ... in the process of elimination ... I believe that Wayne Watne should not be disregarded as a person of interest until questioned and ruled out.

However ... when all is said and done ... my heart tells me that Wayne Watne's mission in life is sincere.  The purpose is to make a positive difference in the lives of others in the name of his faith.

Janet

+++++++


Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing  and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Wayne Watne – Research Thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Credit: doubledecker



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
HAPPY ENDING! TV reporter finds 3 missing Monroe, WA boys sitting on a sidewalk. http://bit.ly/2i7LG (some exclusive she will have!)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
HAPPY ENDING! TV reporter finds 3 missing Monroe, WA boys sitting on a sidewalk. http://bit.ly/2i7LG (some exclusive she will have!)

Thanks pink angel.

That is such a relief!

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 01:11:46 PM
by Northern Rose
Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 01:14:13 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 01:26:23 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 02:00:32 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Agreed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 16, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.



 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 02:38:35 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.




sherip

The great moderation of the Scared Monkeys forum regarding "respectfully agreeing to disagree" allows for an environment where all sides of an issue can flourish.

It is not necessary that we are all on the same page regarding an issue.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 16, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
The only way that someone could contact LE and the FBI (when the FBI still had an active presence in McCleary) was through the phone number published.  At least, that's what was known at the time.  The phone number went to a dispatcher. 

I do know that someone called to strongly urge LE and FBI to look or relook at several people who appeared to be connected to this case, whether by design or innocently.  WW was one of them.  This was 10 days to 2 weeks ago. 

I hope that others, especially those who live in and around these areas of interest, contact LE with tips or even intuitions.  If I was a person of interest, I would put a welcome banner outside my home, just so LE could come in, talk to me, follow me or whatever.  Then they could move on to a more promising prospect.  Wouldn't you?  I get the feeling that there ARE folks on this board who are either talking directly with LE or talking indirectly through another. 

I can't even allow myself to think what constantly tries to wangle into my consciousness about all these missing children.  It's so heartbreaking. 

I, too, laud all for their undying effort and committment.

Blessings,
Kim   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 16, 2009, 02:53:25 PM
May have already been posted:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20066602/detail.html

(http://www.kirotv.com/2009/0706/19971475_240X135.jpg)


Parents Of Missing McCleary Girl Hoping For Public's Help
Posted: 4:06 pm PDT July 15, 2009
Updated: 4:14 pm PDT July 15, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Nearly three weeks after an 11-year-old girl disappeared in McCleary, the girl's parents continue to ask the public for any information on their daughter's whereabouts.

Lindsey Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"I still feel in my heart she's alive. But every day that goes by is just agony," said Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.

Though the official search has ended in McCleary, the investigation into Lindsey's disappearance continues.

In an effort to find out what happened to their daughter, Lindsey's family created two new Web sites: http://lindseybaum.com/ and http://findlindseybaum.com/. Both sites have photos of Lindsey and links to detectives working the case.

In an interview with KIRO 7, Lindsey's parents expressed frustration with the state's Amber Alert system. They said no alert was issued because Lindsey's disappearance offered no known suspect or vehicle.

The Baums said they want the strict regulations governing Amber Alerts to change. Investigators in the case agree.

"We realize in the law enforcement community that the Amber Alert system as it exists may need some tweaking," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott.

Meanwhile, Lindsey's parents are still hoping to find any clue as to where Lindsey went as her birthday passed last week.

"It was agonizing to sit at the house just waiting for word, hoping she'd come home that day so we could celebrate," said Lindsey's father, Scott Baum.

Lindsey is 4 foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes, last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Anyone with information about Lindsey’s disappearance is asked to call the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:08:26 PM
The only way that someone could contact LE and the FBI (when the FBI still had an active presence in McCleary) was through the phone number published.  At least, that's what was known at the time.  The phone number went to a dispatcher. 

I do know that someone called to strongly urge LE and FBI to look or relook at several people who appeared to be connected to this case, whether by design or innocently.  WW was one of them.  This was 10 days to 2 weeks ago. 

I hope that others, especially those who live in and around these areas of interest, contact LE with tips or even intuitions.  If I was a person of interest, I would put a welcome banner outside my home, just so LE could come in, talk to me, follow me or whatever.  Then they could move on to a more promising prospect.  Wouldn't you?   I get the feeling that there ARE folks on this board who are either talking directly with LE or talking indirectly through another. 

I can't even allow myself to think what constantly tries to wangle into my consciousness about all these missing children.  It's so heartbreaking. 

I, too, laud all for their undying effort and committment.

Blessings,
Kim   

Thank you Kim.

Janet





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:12:14 PM
CBS - The Early Show - July 13, 2009

Video:
The search continues for an 11-year-old Wash. girl who disappeared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml

++++++++

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!

Melissa Baum's words to Julie Chen (The Early Show) imply that her daughter left the Kampen/William's residence at approximately 10:00 PM not ... 9:15 PM.

Melissa claimed that her concern when Lindsey had not arrived home by her curfew prompted a call to Kara Kampen who informed her that Lindsey had left her residence 30 minutes earlier.  Kara's own words on this forum implied that the call from Melissa was received at approximately 10:25 PM

  ::MonkeyConfused::

I believe that Kara Kampen and Melissa Baum should be requestioned in regards to the timeline.

Janet

++++++

09:15 PM - Lindsey leaves the Kampen/Williams's residence.
09:30 PM - Lindsey is observed by a neighbour on Maple Street ... two blocks from home.
10:25 PM - Melissa Baum contacts Kara Kampen.
______

9:15 PM

KARA KAMPEN

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


9:15 PM

SCOTT WILLIAMS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


9:30 PM

UNDERSHERIFF RICK SCOTT

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


10:25 PM

KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:37:32 PM
POLYGRAPHS AND PROPERTY/RESIDENCE SEARCHES

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1461 on: July 07, 2009, 12:27:39 AM »


I don't believe any search warrants were issued that I am aware of. Within hours the police searched both my and the Baum residences and then the FBI and Sheriff's dept. did as well. We authorized access as did Melissa Baum so I don't think they needed to get warrants. They also searched the property around both of our homes with teams, agents and dogs nearly if not daily up until 2 days ago I believe it was. The only property obtained from the my home after search were the computers and those were volunteered so I don't think they needed to file paperwork.

I am not sure about any other homes except for those of my neighbors that were searched and I was outside so I know those were both voluntary as well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867561;topicseen#msg867561


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865572;topicseen#msg865572


KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 03:44:50 PM
Mr. Watne is being looked at so he can be eliminated.

In the process of elimination ... I hope Wayne Watne is being considered a person of interest in the course of the investigation.

However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

Janet


 
Hi Janet
Do you think the LE is looking at any of this stuff that has been discovered and posted to this site?  I do not know if any of this information has actually been passed on LE but I know that there are some people working hard here to help find Lindsey. 

I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent - but I also really do not want another person hurt by someone that is out there taking people  and hope and pray that both Lindsey and Nancy are found and safely returned to their families.

I beleive that there are some huge red flags here that I hope someone out there , who can do something about it is looking at them.

I also would like to say that I really like the fact that everyone on this site is so respectfull of others thoughts and do not put others down for expressing them.  Prior to finding this site I read posts made on another site and from what I saw most of their time was spent bashing eachother instead of looking for actual information.  So I'd like to say thanks to everyone here for letting me feel safe enough to share some of my thoughts - I just wish I was communicating with you all under a different set of circumstances.



FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 06:12:14 PM
Hi Kara

Who were the "witness" referred to in the following article?

Thanks

Janet

++++++

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 06:18:25 PM
If the neighbour's observation is credible ... the implication is that Lindsey Baum went missing within five minutes of arriving home.  Lindsey was only two blocks from her home at the time she was observed walking on Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Think about it.

NOBODY other than Kara Kampen and Scott Williams had any knowledge where Lindsey would be in that short timeframe.  Scott Williams has taken and passed a polygraph.  Melissa Baum has taken and passed a polygraph.

If Lindsey was abducted ... the short timeframe dictates that it would have been a crime of opportunity ... not a plan.

However ... the silence ... encompassing both Josh Baum and Wayne Watne ... is deafening.

Janet

++++++

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM

I am not accusing Josh Baum of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying dynamics encompassing the brother/sister relationship … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest who may have connected with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument?

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html

Credit: Northern Rose


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »


Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)
Credit: doubledecker


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 06:36:52 PM
Here are a few things:

1)No - Josh was not in the boy scouts and WW is not to any ones knowledge someone who goes to the Elma church.

2) 3 Missing boys ages 8-10-11 Have been found apparently they got lost. 

3) At the time of the vigil WW was not clean shaven.

4) Time Lines - They can requestion all they want it still is not going to change. Logically unless we were all staring at a clock there are going to be differences. No ones time line is actually accurate save for the actual time of the phone calls. I say she left around 9:15 my old man says it was closer to 9:30 an eye witness who lives on my street says she saw her heading home between 9:20 and 9:45. I spoke with Melissa at 10:25 and at that time told her that Lindsey had left 30 to 40 minutes earlier so she is telling exactly what she heard.
Police are looking for anyone who was in the area or out between 9pm and 10pm which I imagine is due to the 15 to 20 minute differences between every ones personal account of that night.  - Quite honestly though for those trying to set up a time line my account is probably the least accurate (save for the phone call) as I was working and know that time can slip by while I am doing that.

5) Still have not heard anything about the missing girl in Elma - did anyone ever get a name for her?

6)
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However ... most importantly ... in the process of elimination ... until questioned and ruled out ... I believe that ALL those known to authorities who had a contact with Lindsey in the last couple hours prior to her disappearance should be considered persons of interest ... persons of interest who may harbor the truth.

- I agree with this completely and fully understand that I am one of those people.

7)
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I do feel guilty for possibly making false assumptions about a person that I don't even know and disecting their life, especially if innocent

- I think many understand this feeling and regarding WW there is a huge chance that he is just a genuinely nice guy and if that is the case then I believe he would fully understand why people need to dissect a persons life in order to eliminate them as a  possibility. - After all like was said the important issue is a child is missing - for those of us involved that means taking suspicion laid on each one of us like a champ if that is what it takes to bring any child home.

8) I know I missed questions that were asked the other day and I will really try to find those and get to them in the meantime keep doing what you are doing. You guys are coming up with ideas and possibilities left and right and this is not only beneficial to LE but also to Lindsey's family.







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 06:45:07 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
Hi Kara

Who were the "witness" referred to in the following article?

Thanks

Janet

++++++

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


When I read it I believed that they were actually talking about me and Scott. I did not think that they were referring to one of the actual "witnesses" because their time line was after 9:15 and I am the only one who claimed she left at that time. I could be wrong there but that is what my original assumption was.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 16, 2009, 07:32:35 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .


I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 07:36:16 PM
Do you have a clue as to the addresses of which houses were "possibly" not searched?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 07:39:09 PM
Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?

Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

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madibabe
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #45 on: July 11, 2009, 06:38:56 PM »


I have a friend that lives in Mccleary with a daughter thats the same age as Lindsey. They played to gether a few times but was later grounded from playing with lindsey due to the lack of perental supervision and her being out past dark ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg874684;topicseen#msg874684




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 07:52:34 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .

I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr

Lindsey Baum claimed on the Early Show to Julie Chen that the Maple Street walk between would have taken less than 10 minutes.  Considering the witness's observation of Lindsey at Fifth Street and Maple Street at approximately 9:30 PM on her drive to work ... the implication would be that she left your home prior to 9:30 PM.

How long does it take to walk from your home to Fifth Street and Maple?

When the witness's observation is considered ... the homes between Fifth Street and home should be considered suspect.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 07:55:38 PM
Thanks Kara for answering our questions.

1)Did Lindsey attend girlscouts in McCleary or in another town?

2)Was Josh or Lindsey involved in any church/youth groups in McCleary or other towns?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
KaraK, you are right about the time line.  Without looking at my phone, I tried to remember when I talked to my Mother today.  I was off by 27 minutes.  Some people I suppose are more clock watchers than others.  I don't know.
I also think anyone who has interactions with Lindsey in the past weeks or even months, needs to be looked at, because you're right, she needs to be found!

Yeah, I really wish I'd paid more attention to the time because I know it would be a much clearer and more concise timeline - Though it does no good now for Lindsey it is something that I did learn from at least as far as the kids are concerned. I now make it a point to check clocks even if they only step out front to check the mail .


I would like to say though I've heard from some people that reside within a block or two of the path  between Lindsey's house and my own (not on the path but a block or 2 up or down from our streets) who said there were several homes that were not searched and that really ticks me off. With a missing child you would think every house within at least a 2 to 3 block radius if not more would have been thoroughly searched - just to eliminate them as possibilities as far as locations where she could be being held. rrrrr
Kara,I also read that the BeeHive retirement home has a few empty/abandoned apartments that were not checked.
Is there any way we could get a list of addys from the houses that were not checked or could you or Melissa ask Sheriff Scott or whoever is in charge WHY these places were not checked?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 16, 2009, 08:01:14 PM
Has Lindsey ever run away before?Even for a few hours or overnight?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 08:21:49 PM

<snipped>

I think many understand this feeling and regarding WW there is a huge chance that he is just a genuinely nice guy and if that is the case then I believe he would fully understand why people need to dissect a persons life in order to eliminate them as a  possibility. - After all like was said the important issue is a child is missing - for those of us involved that means taking suspicion laid on each one of us like a champ if that is what it takes to bring any child home.


Kara

I also believe that Wayne Watne has nothing to do with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.  However ... considering the location of where he resides in relation to the Baum residence as well as his connectin to both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (church) ... LE must initially consider him a person of interest until otherwise ruled.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 16, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
Janet, I think you are so right.  Everyone, everything, everyplace is suspect.  For a child to simply disappear, as in vanish, I really just don't know.  I know we all wish we could figure this out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 16, 2009, 11:23:02 PM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2009, 12:21:02 AM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.

Pink Angel

It is 9:16 PM PT ... a three hour drive from Seattle and ... the sun has set.  In 30 minutes ... dark will have settled in.

Seattle, Washington
The solstice in Seattle experiences a sunrise at 5:11 a.m. and sunset at 9:10 p.m. The earliest sunrise of 5:10 a.m. lasts from June 13-18. The maximum sunset of 9:10 p.m. lasts from June 20 through July 2.
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/longestday.htm

There is no way that a 10 year old girl should be walking five blocks on her own day or night.

Lindsey was defenceless.  I am angry.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:47:06 AM
Janet those pictures that were taken of the Shell station and such at WS, the link is in the media thread. Those were taken around 9:15 at night, so people would get the feel of just how light it was there.

Pink Angel

It is 9:16 PM PT ... a three hour drive from Seattle and ... the sun has set.  In 30 minutes ... dark will have settled in.

Seattle, Washington
The solstice in Seattle experiences a sunrise at 5:11 a.m. and sunset at 9:10 p.m. The earliest sunrise of 5:10 a.m. lasts from June 13-18. The maximum sunset of 9:10 p.m. lasts from June 20 through July 2.
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeography/a/longestday.htm

There is no way that a 10 year old girl should be walking five blocks on her own day or night.

Lindsey was defenceless.  I am angry.

Janet

I agree with you, hon.

I am angry, sad, and scared to death for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 17, 2009, 12:54:12 AM
DD, sorry -- I made a mistake, I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 01:46:23 AM
I took video with my phone a week and 2 days after Lindsey disappeared at the shell station. It was dark and I had to have my headlights on. Your right she was defencless. It is sad because every night when I tell my 9 year old its time to come in I think of Lindsey and how she should have had that same parental guidance. It just breaks my heart.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KaraK on July 17, 2009, 07:10:17 AM
KR - They would not tell us who has or has not been searched. We have seriously gotten little more then the following three phrases "We'll look into that", "nothing new" and "this is unrelated to Lindsey's disappearance..."

The beehive may have been checked after JVK from WS went over there but I don't even know that for sure. We've honestly seen little of them (LE).


Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?



1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.

2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

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Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

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I can't say anything about that except that at the time Lindsey left it was still light outside- actually it was about as light as the pics JVK posted. I am not the only one who keeps saying or has said that either, there is also the police who had no reason to lie about it, Melissa Baum, other residents and even "McCleary" (username) on web sleuths as well as others on the WS forums. If you've seen the pics over there you know at 9 it was still pretty light out.  10:15 was a different story though at that time it was dark. You would expect as we did that approximately a 7 minute walk would easily get her home before then. It is really not unusual to see good amount of light for a good hour or so after the sun starts to set which was around 9:15 or 9:20 or so this time of year. But then again today it was getting dark here by about 9pm.  Not to mention yet again that Lindsey is terrified of the dark and would have never walked out of my home alone if it would have been at all what she even considered dark - even if I would have told her to - she still would have asked to call her mom or asked for a ride home.

Stating that there was a lack of urgency really in my eyes is just your opinion and one that I suspect comes from the fact that you did not know Lindsey or Melissa but I have to respectfully disagree with that opinion- Here is a bit of background:

Lindsey was known to not always answer her phone and on more then one occasion try to talk someone into letting her stay over and notifying her mom was not a top priority so MB would find out when she showed up at ours or others homes looking for Lindsey or when she was calling around. She had every reason to suspect that Lindsey was actually inside a friends house which is exactly what I thought as well - knowing Lindsey.

- I know when I talked to Melissa she was very concerned and they were already out looking and were still calling around to Lindsey's friends homes. You don't know Lindsey though or her habits as her mother does. She was never outside after dark wandering around or walking the streets and if it was starting to get dark she always had someone with her and was on her way indoors. She never once left this house nor her mom's to my knowledge when it was dark out because she was terrified of the dark. If she stayed over here a little too late and it was dark outside or just in general if it was even evening and neither one of the girls were staying the night at each others houses she called her mom and she almost always came and picked her up (always if it was dark usually any other time) until their car broke down and after that before it got dark her bro would often show up to see if she was still here and walk home with her or my 3 oldest kids would walk her or sometimes she walked by herself (only if it was light out) but only once (without adult supervision) have I witnessed her outside after it was dark and at that time she was headed too my house and there were 3 of them together and they had to back track to a friends for something that was left behind otherwise they would have been here before dark. - Even then it was not even what I'd have considered dark - more dusky and my kids had their phone on them.

I understand that a lot of things to some seem "hinky" and that is fine when a person reads something in print and you get little snip-its fed to you here or there and that is combined with personal opinion and it is about something as important as a missing child which immediately fills you with a sense of fear and suspicion, to me that is to be expected and not something I'd ever look down on someone for nor would I want anyone to look down on me for it but you have to understand that every situation including this one there are things that affect situations that can only be understood if you actually know the individual(s) the behaviors and the place even.

Now this is not to try and sway any opinions because everyone forms their own based on their own facts or judgments nor is it to be defensive in any way or anything but I see so many opinions (not just here - everywhere- but here seems to be the best place to share them without major attack) that I really just have to put mine out there as well. --Seriously as much as many would like to portray MB as a bad or neglectful mom - she was not. MB tried damn hard to give her kids everything that they needed and then most of what they wanted while still being parental - (and I really am not concerned with  what a friend of a friend says because we all know how that goes - its only as good as the side of the story that wasn't told), she worked hard, raised her kids alone for several years and did the best that she could with the circumstances that she was dealt (as many of us have). She had rules and such with her kids but she couldn't always enforce those because she had to work and with some things in life there is only so much you have control over. She took her kids to the park, to the beach, the movies, got them phones to help keep an eye on them, sold girl scout cookies, had family night, showed up for parent-teacher conferences, called her kids' friends and drove to their houses if Lindsey didn't check in, put them into sports etc and like every other mom out there - she wasn't perfect - I think at times like these many forget that no one is perfect and I've met great moms but I've never met one that was perfect or even close for that matter.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 10:12:45 AM
You are correct, I know when my kids were young I was not perfect. I look back and think why did I do this or that, I certainly didn't think my actions at the time would have caused something bad to happen. And even if a parent watches everything, or at least thinks they do, sometimes bad things happen. I would never want to be a parent whose child goes missing and or murdered, the guilt that one must put themselves through must be horrendous. I guess for myself to try and make sense about things, I just have to tell myself that everything happens for a reason. Little consolation for a family who has a missing or murdered love one. I do hope that Lindsey's mother is getting some kind of care under a doctor, anything to help with what she is going through.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 17, 2009, 12:05:21 PM
KaraK, I totally agree with you.  In retrospect, a lot of things would be different.  However, the reality is what it is and we need to look forward looking for Lindsey and not beating the dead horse about the time and how light out it was or wasn't and if she was my child/grandchild it would never have happened.  We need to be searching and not being so IMO judgmental about what "I" would have done differently.  We all learn from one another, but to keep bringing it up ad nausem is to me cruel.  Are we all angry?  Sure, a beautiful child has gone missing.  Unless the issues of "time" and "light" have some direct meaning or path to find her, and not simply out there for the "how could they?" . . .  IMO, if folks would spend as much energy and time in doing some research and/or praying, possibly we could move forward in finding Lindsey.  But hey, that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 17, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
DD, I came to help, so please let me know if there is anything you need in research. I highly doubt I could do as well as you, but I do find some weird things sometimes  ::MonkeyCool:: So sad once again here we are in the state of Washington.
My heart goes out to helping finding Lindsey and always in the justice for Sandra as well. I still find times when tears flow because of all of this. Anyways, I hope all is well for everyone. DD get at me when you can.. I wish I could have helped you in the beginning but i have so much going on here at home...But I can help now...I have been briefing the threads to get a feel of the case and will continue.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

~Love~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:39:05 PM
Girl Escapes Luring In Olympia
Posted: 1:55 pm PDT July 16, 2009
Updated: 5:05 pm PDT July 16, 2009

A 14-year-old girl was approached by three men in the area of Capitol Boulevard and Dennis Street in Olympia, Tumwater police said.

“As the girl was walking on the street three men in an older, small, black pickup with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate approached her,” said police.

Two of the men left the pickup and proceeded to follow the girl. One of the men called out to the girl, “Hey pretty lady.” After she saw she was being followed and that the men were talking to her, she ran away. The men chased her for a short time before getting back in the pickup and leaving, Tumwater police said.

The girl described two of the men as white, about 18 years old, medium build, wearing large white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans, but was unable to see the driver.

Anyone with information on the vehicle contact the Tumwater Police Department.

Article:
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20078656/detail.html



Police: Is Tumwater luring linked to McCleary case?
Story Published: Jul 16, 2009 at 5:20 PM PDT

Story Updated: Jul 17, 2009 at 9:34 AM PDT
By Shomari Stone

TUMWATER, Wash. - Police are investigating whether the attempted abduction of a girl in Tumwater on Wednesday is linked to last month's highly publicized disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum in McCleary.

Officials say three men tried to kidnap the 14-year-old girl in broad daylight on Wednesday as she was walking along a busy street, but the girl was able to escape by running away.

The close call left the girl very shaken, and now detectives are comparing the similarities between her experience and Lindsey Baum's unexplained disappearance June 26 in McCleary, about 22 miles away.

"We investigate because child lurings aren't as common as most crimes, and when you have two communities that are so close together and the circumstances where obviously it occurred in public areas. And the girls are approximately the same age," says Detective Jen Kolb of the Tumwater Police Department.

The Tumwater girl, whose name is being withheld, says she was walking along Capitol Boulevard to her mother's place of work when the three men jumped out of a black pickup.

They were yelling, "Hey, pretty lady, how are you?" then came after her, she says.

The girl started running, and the men chased after her. But soon after they gave up the chase, ran back to the pickup and drove off.

The experience left the girl scared, alone and distraught. So she ran to her mother's place of work and breathlessly told her what had happened.

"She was very scared, shaken - didn't know what to think or what to do," says her mother.

The girl now says she believes the men wanted to hurt her.

"In a way, yeah. ... Just the way they were talking to me and trying to come to me," she says.

Kolb said she finds the case "very disturbing" and is struck by the parallels to the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Investigators want anyone with information to call the Tumwater Police Department at (360) 754-4200.

http://www.komonews.com/news/50980987.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 12:48:18 PM
TUMWATER: Girl describes men she says tried to lure her
THE OLYMPIAN
Published: 07/17/09

A 14-year-old girl said three men attempted to lure her about 4:30 p.m. Wednesday as she walked in the area of Capitol Boulevard and Dennis Street.

She said a pickup carrying three men pulled over, and two got out and approached her. One called out to her. When she saw they were following her, she ran away, she said.

She said the men briefly chased her before getting back in the truck and leaving.

The vehicle is described as an older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate. The girl did not get a good look at the driver, but she described the men who chased her as white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall, of medium build, and wearing baseball caps sideways. Both were wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/813342.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 17, 2009, 01:00:29 PM
No description of the men ? No drawings ? No lic plate number ? Any Detectives out looking at local surveillance videos trying to identify them ?

She is one luck 14 yer old..

But I have 14 attempted abductions of young girls recorded from San Diego to Los Angeles in 4 month time period in the Dubois case by largely Hispanic males ..
This is getting out of control..

This is the kind of thing that only vigilant good men and a baseball bat can solve.
The police never seem to catch these guys..

The one case that bugs me the most in Los Angeles area was the Hispanic male who tied a tie wrap around the girls neck which was choking her to death and he was stuffing her in his trunk of his car when her brother jumped on the guy..

The attacker was able to take the aggression of the brothers attack and stayed Emotionless while he got back in his car and drove away.. complete description and drawings and still the police have not found him or at least I have not found a news article that say they did.
This guy was witnessed...
The lack of emotion thing is showing up in various cases.. What is that ? Are they on drugs ? I can show you case after case where this emotionless ..almost trance like state of attackers in broad day light..
Something is up..

But these arrogant attackers like this 14 year old ran into are growing in numbers and parents need to keep there hands on there children until they are 45.. What kind of America are WE allowing to exist ?  These men have no fear.   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 17, 2009, 01:09:27 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 01:38:06 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


Young teens and they hey pretty lady comment make it sounds like a couple of guys hitting on a young girl and perhaps taking it too far. I read on another board that this is a VERY busy area, especially at 4:30 pm and there should have been ton of witnesses. This wasn't a small 1500 person town, small town, at sundown kind of thing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 17, 2009, 03:54:49 PM
What kind of American males would do this?

older, lowered, small black truck with tinted windows and stickers on the tailgate.

white males, 18 or 19 years old, between 5 feet, 8 inches, and 5 feet, 11 inches tall

wearing baseball caps sideways

wearing plain white T-shirts and baggy blue jeans.

Only a few groups wear the hat sideways...
Skate Boarders is one of them and Rappers is another one.
Large t-shirts and baggy fits both groups..

None of this is characteristic of other attempted abductions..
I would almost consider that this has something to do with some other form of attack..
Teen on Teen ? Of course there true intention is impossible to know from a news report.


It's possible it could be gang related.  I've read of cases where part of a gang initiation is to rape girls, sometimes they don't survive to tell about it. 

It's a whole different world than when I was growing up.  Scary as hell.   I also think so much of this is happening because they seem to be getting away with it.  There are RSO's living in our neighborhoods that should not be out of jail but the system does not know what to do with them.  We need new & better laws for this kind of thing.  Our children, especially our daughters are not safe and it should not be that way.  You can't let your child out of your site for 5 minutes for fear she will disappear.  It is a sad world when a person isn't say in their own backyard.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 04:42:53 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 04:48:03 PM

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

----------------

I meant to add a paragraph here about how our president and congress can vote to send millions and millions to foreign countries for aide, spend billions and billions to bail out banks and car companies but can't spend millions to protect our most precious resources...our children, our future....it makes me sick and it makes me ANGRY!!!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 17, 2009, 05:15:38 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.  

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Pink Angel

I agree 100% except ... in Tamikosmom's world there would never be a second chance for any adult who sexually abuses a child when it is considered the victim is forced to deal with the after-effects of a predator's selfish sick desires for a lifetime.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 17, 2009, 05:22:57 PM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.  

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


Pink Angel

I agree 100% except ... in Tamikosmom's world there would never be a second chance for any adult who sexually abuses a child when it is considered the victim is forced to deal with the after-effects of a predator's selfish sick desires for a lifetime.

Janet




I agree in a perfect world, Janet.

We don't live in a perfect world though and people that hurt our children are being given TOO many chances by our screwed up system. So many lawmakers are all about "rehabilitation and treatment" for these monsters. Which is a bunch of CRAP!

If we have to give them a chance, let them have one. That's IT.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 17, 2009, 07:34:45 PM
this case is so frustrating...i cannot believe that nothing has been found yet...i hope that the residents of mccleary and the surrounding areas are paying very close attention to any strange behavior by neighbors, family, and friends. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
KR - They would not tell us who has or has not been searched. We have seriously gotten little more then the following three phrases "We'll look into that", "nothing new" and "this is unrelated to Lindsey's disappearance..."

The beehive may have been checked after JVK from WS went over there but I don't even know that for sure. We've honestly seen little of them (LE).


Thank you Kara.

1.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact you until 10:25 PM?

2.  Why did Melissa Baum not contact 911 immediately following her conversation with you?



1) She very well may have tried to contact me before that. At the time I got her call I'd only shortly before that switched my phone back on because the battery was drained. At the time I actually talked to her I had 1 bar on my phone so it had not been on the charger very long. - And because I'm sure someone will wonder how I remember that it is because we almost immediately went out looking and during the first 30 minutes I had several short calls between me and Melissa just checking in making sure Lindsey hadn't shown up and then I had to drop my phone off at home and charge it because it was already going dead.

2) I can not tell you factually why or even if she waited 20 - 25 minutes to call them all I know is at the time she called me she was outside walking towards my house - so I would assume it was because she fully expected to see her walking up the street or she was still calling around to the other numbers on Lindsey's phone. - I've never seen any actual confirmation though that it was actually 10:50 either because in the time it took me to tell my old man what was going on, get my shoes and coat on and Scott to grab his keys and us to get to her house (a 2 minute drive) she was already waiting for the officer to show up. And I imagine it may have actually been slightly earlier then stated because the McCleary officer that Tacoma dispatch (i believe it was TD) called in had just got off duty and was at home and he lives outside of town and he was there at her house right about 11:00 pm.

Quote
Kara ... I live a 3 hour drive north of Seattle.  I noted that the sun had completely set by 9:50 PM in the days following Linsey's disappearance.

When I consider my grandchildren ... the time of night ... the lack of urgency prior to calling 911 ... I cannot make sense of the entire situation.

Janet

+++++++


I can't say anything about that except that at the time Lindsey left it was still light outside- actually it was about as light as the pics JVK posted. I am not the only one who keeps saying or has said that either, there is also the police who had no reason to lie about it, Melissa Baum, other residents and even "McCleary" (username) on web sleuths as well as others on the WS forums. If you've seen the pics over there you know at 9 it was still pretty light out.  10:15 was a different story though at that time it was dark. You would expect as we did that approximately a 7 minute walk would easily get her home before then. It is really not unusual to see good amount of light for a good hour or so after the sun starts to set which was around 9:15 or 9:20 or so this time of year. But then again today it was getting dark here by about 9pm.  Not to mention yet again that Lindsey is terrified of the dark and would have never walked out of my home alone if it would have been at all what she even considered dark - even if I would have told her to - she still would have asked to call her mom or asked for a ride home.

Stating that there was a lack of urgency really in my eyes is just your opinion and one that I suspect comes from the fact that you did not know Lindsey or Melissa but I have to respectfully disagree with that opinion- Here is a bit of background:

Lindsey was known to not always answer her phone and on more then one occasion try to talk someone into letting her stay over and notifying her mom was not a top priority so MB would find out when she showed up at ours or others homes looking for Lindsey or when she was calling around. She had every reason to suspect that Lindsey was actually inside a friends house which is exactly what I thought as well - knowing Lindsey.

- I know when I talked to Melissa she was very concerned and they were already out looking and were still calling around to Lindsey's friends homes. You don't know Lindsey though or her habits as her mother does. She was never outside after dark wandering around or walking the streets and if it was starting to get dark she always had someone with her and was on her way indoors. She never once left this house nor her mom's to my knowledge when it was dark out because she was terrified of the dark. If she stayed over here a little too late and it was dark outside or just in general if it was even evening and neither one of the girls were staying the night at each others houses she called her mom and she almost always came and picked her up (always if it was dark usually any other time) until their car broke down and after that before it got dark her bro would often show up to see if she was still here and walk home with her or my 3 oldest kids would walk her or sometimes she walked by herself (only if it was light out) but only once (without adult supervision) have I witnessed her outside after it was dark and at that time she was headed too my house and there were 3 of them together and they had to back track to a friends for something that was left behind otherwise they would have been here before dark. - Even then it was not even what I'd have considered dark - more dusky and my kids had their phone on them.

I understand that a lot of things to some seem "hinky" and that is fine when a person reads something in print and you get little snip-its fed to you here or there and that is combined with personal opinion and it is about something as important as a missing child which immediately fills you with a sense of fear and suspicion, to me that is to be expected and not something I'd ever look down on someone for nor would I want anyone to look down on me for it but you have to understand that every situation including this one there are things that affect situations that can only be understood if you actually know the individual(s) the behaviors and the place even.

Now this is not to try and sway any opinions because everyone forms their own based on their own facts or judgments nor is it to be defensive in any way or anything but I see so many opinions (not just here - everywhere- but here seems to be the best place to share them without major attack) that I really just have to put mine out there as well. --Seriously as much as many would like to portray MB as a bad or neglectful mom - she was not. MB tried damn hard to give her kids everything that they needed and then most of what they wanted while still being parental - (and I really am not concerned with  what a friend of a friend says because we all know how that goes - its only as good as the side of the story that wasn't told), she worked hard, raised her kids alone for several years and did the best that she could with the circumstances that she was dealt (as many of us have). She had rules and such with her kids but she couldn't always enforce those because she had to work and with some things in life there is only so much you have control over. She took her kids to the park, to the beach, the movies, got them phones to help keep an eye on them, sold girl scout cookies, had family night, showed up for parent-teacher conferences, called her kids' friends and drove to their houses if Lindsey didn't check in, put them into sports etc and like every other mom out there - she wasn't perfect - I think at times like these many forget that no one is perfect and I've met great moms but I've never met one that was perfect or even close for that matter.

KARAK I just want to say I'm sorry if my post about parental guidance made you feel I was criticizing MB. I did not intend it to. I will tell you what I was actually feeling. I was thinking how sad it is when a little girl has to disappear for you to realize you should keep an eye on your children a little closer. That is what I was telling myself at the time about my parenting skills. I am not meaning to bash MB. I feel it could happen to any one of our children, day or night . It could be me in her place as i have and continue to make mistakes. It only takes a second. My family's thoughts and prayers are with her  and her family. When I think of her pain i cant imagine how crushed she is.  I am sorry for implying she did not supervise her children enough.  Its not what I meant.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 17, 2009, 11:20:31 PM
while we debate who is a "good" person or a "bad" person, Lindsey is still missing...everyone is involved until proved otherwise...we are not a court of law...
it's a court of public opinion........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 17, 2009, 11:31:45 PM
Hey mamacrazy,
We know this! Everyone is doing all they can possible think of to help.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 18, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
I agree rebel.

There are laws though already on the books that are not being funded or properly enforced. You can make all the laws in the world but if they are not being enforced or funded, they are just words on a page.

Short of executing sex offenders or sticking them all on an island full of lions and tigers and deadly snakes surrounded by a giant moat full of killer sharks and pirahna to fend for themselves "lord of the fly" style...my perfect wish list would include:
     
Stricter mandatory sentencing. If you are sentenced to 10 years, you do 10 years. No exceptions, no good time.

Second strike law. If a child molester re-offends, he is sentenced for life, no exceptions.

First time offenders will be GPS tracked for five years after their release date.

Once released, if you fail to register with the National Registry, you get sent back to prison for five years. No exceptions. No "homeless" crap. You must have an verifiable address or you get sent back to jail.

If you violate your parole, you get sent back to jail. No excuses, no exceptions. One year min. each violation. Added on to your sentence if you violate because of being charged for something else. Such as a drug charge. You get two years for having pot and one year additional for the parole violation.

These are just a few of my wish list.


That's a great list....I'm tired of repeat offenders....These people do not get rehabilitated..I agree with you that these laws need to be enforced and there should be harsher penalties for these scumbags.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 18, 2009, 12:05:46 AM

I meant to add a paragraph here about how our president and congress can vote to send millions and millions to foreign countries for aide, spend billions and billions to bail out banks and car companies but can't spend millions to protect our most precious resources...our children, our future....it makes me sick and it makes me ANGRY!!!


I hear ya....Girl, don't even get me started on what I think of our current administration.  I'm so ANGRY I could spit nails.   :smt097    They don't care about the people of this country PERIOD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 18, 2009, 12:31:48 AM
If the neighbour's observation is credible ... the implication is that Lindsey Baum went missing within five minutes of arriving home.  Lindsey was only two blocks from her home at the time she was observed walking on Maple Street near Fifth Street.

Think about it.

NOBODY other than Kara Kampen and Scott Williams had any knowledge where Lindsey would be in that short timeframe.  Scott Williams has taken and passed a polygraph.  Melissa Baum has taken and passed a polygraph.

If Lindsey was abducted ... the short timeframe dictates that it would have been a crime of opportunity ... not a plan.

However ... the silence ... encompassing both Josh Baum and Wayne Watne ... is deafening.

Janet

++++++

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM

I am not accusing Josh Baum of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying dynamics encompassing the brother/sister relationship … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest who may have connected with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument?

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html

Credit: Northern Rose


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »


Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)
Credit: doubledecker


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


When I read all of this it made me ill, I dont like any of this... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Edward on July 18, 2009, 01:03:12 AM
Tamiksomom..
Logic Dictates.. Nice job on that compilation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 18, 2009, 01:41:35 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 18, 2009, 10:07:43 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html
I have been wondering about this myself, but I really think that Lindsey knew the person, but anything is possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 10:55:54 AM
Reader comment:

BUTTERFLYWINGS 8 hours ago wrote:
we need to know more about the situation that happened in tumwater on wednesday. this might be a break. 3 men tried to lure a young girl. they were driving a pick-up truck. the men chased this girl and she got away thank God.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/south/stories/NW_071509WAB-lindsey-baum-family-TP.43f9a323.html
I have been wondering about this myself, but I really think that Lindsey knew the person, but anything is possible.

... and so does the FBI.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
7:55 AM PT

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 18, 2009, 04:10:56 PM
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB

Lighting a candle and saying a prayer for Lindsey to come home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 06:15:09 PM
LINDSEY BAUM
MISSING FROM McCLEARY WASHINGTON


http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 18, 2009, 09:44:53 PM
Hey mamacrazy,
We know this! Everyone is doing all they can possible think of to help.
i wasn't trying to be snippy and i'm sorry....my point was we are on Lindsey's side...no one else....when she is found is when we can apologize to whomever for whatever....it's about Lindsey now. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 18, 2009, 11:28:57 PM
I pray that the silence in the media in regards to the Lindsey Baum case does not imply the case is being allowed to go cold.  Hopefully, stuff is going on behind the scenes that will provide the truth encompassing the events that took place within the last two blocks of of this little girl's journey home.

Janet
8:30 PM PT




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 19, 2009, 05:32:43 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 06:16:33 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
No, I have not very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 19, 2009, 06:22:45 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?

Hi Sunshine, could you tell us where you heard or read about this please...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 06:23:45 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
No, I have not very interesting.

I was looking around at various news places and I haven't seen anything so far.  I really hope Lindsey will be found soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 06:28:09 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 06:33:18 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

Thank you no rose.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 19, 2009, 06:56:34 PM
apparently searchers today were searching the woods that connect to part of the offroading park where the caretaker was fired a week ago and his computer confiscated..apparently the man's daughter was friends w/lindsay..has anyone else heard this?
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

thankyou NRCG...
I hope they find something that will lead to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 06:59:19 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 07:42:31 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 07:58:01 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:13:26 PM
This is a different girlfriend of Lindseys, whose father supposedly was fired from his job, he worked at ORV and his computer was taken by LE.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:13:30 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:13:35 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



I think I confused you.  They are not searching at the house, but at the RR tracks that are about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:15:28 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:15:35 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 

I thought it was only a 1/2 mile walk from the Kampen/William's residence to the Baum residence.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Maple and 6th Street is where the neighbour observed Lindsey at 9:30 PM on the evening she disappeared.  Apparently at this location ... Lindsey was only two blocks from her home.

Janet



I think I confused you.  They are not searching at the house, but at the RR tracks that are about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.
Yes,just read that at WS...posted by Gailine who is a local I believe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:17:23 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:23:38 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?[/color]

Karma

I would appreciate reading it.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?

I don't know...lets ask a mod.....HELLO>>>>MOD!!!  KLAAS!!!  Anyone...can we do this??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:25:37 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:28:03 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Never mind, I reported Janet!   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::  Just trying to get their attention...sorry Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 19, 2009, 08:31:53 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:32:51 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Here is the website.

http://www.straddlelineraceway.com/
Right but Scandi actually called Vonda who works at that park and got a lot of good info.Should I just post it?
It is good info, I wasn't sure what to do, but it is very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:33:16 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
Can someone report my post to a moderator...it won't let me report my own post!!  It says it doesn't make sense why i would do that!  whoopsy!  ::MonkeyDevil::

Never mind, I reported Janet!   ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::  Just trying to get their attention...sorry Janet
LOL!!!!    ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:47:04 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6

WS was discussing with some locals about the ORV park and how the caretaker at the park was fired last week,police supposedly took his puter and there being a search going on at the park.


From Scandi at WS:

HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story


A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. {She would have no reason to lie IMO, as the call to her was out of the blue!}

She proceeded to tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

Fonda also told me she had heard the dogs were out again this morning in McCleary.

Her last words to me were so heartfelt. She said the people in town are saying there is something about this case that they can't put their finger on. There will be a burst of activity and then it seems like nothing is happening in the case. Then all of a sudden another burst of activity. They think that something is about to happen, just a communal feeling I guess, and then she said she believes they are out in the C Forest searching today from a tip they received.

We talked about Lindsey and she said you might not hear much about her or what is going on in the investigation if you're walking down the street. But the people who live here are keeping the case alive, talking between themselves and though it might not look good, they all hope she is found soon and that she is still alive.

I brought up the helicopters flying south of Hwy 8 in the middle of the night last week and she said everyone thought that was so strange as it is an uncommon occurance the way it was done, at least that is what the talk of the town is.

Back to Allen, his departure or firing was sudden and without fanfare. She said he was just taken off the job with nothing said to anyone who works there except they will be hiring a new caretaker for the ORV Park. xox

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:47:56 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:48:37 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:49:43 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::
LOL...thank you AZSunny....I was    ::MonkeyLaugh::
at you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 08:51:06 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:52:06 PM
Yes, you can post something from Websleuths just be sure to give the link back to WS even if some can't read the link.

Thanks Klaas....that was fun reporting Janet!!  tee hee  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Whoops....busted!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:52:11 PM
STRADDLELINE ORV PARK

New push on to find missing McCleary girl
Story Published: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 3, 2009 at 4:38 PM


Lindsey was last seen at the corner of 6th and Maple heading home from her friend's house at about 9:15 p.m last Friday.

Detectives will be out in force at that same day and time this week to see who's around - and who may have been passing through town last Friday night.

They're willing to do anything to help kick loose a lead.

Fonda Voss is making sure visitors to nearby Straddleline ORV park are being reminded about Lindsey's disappearance. It's a big travel destination and one of the entrances to the Capitol Forest.

"The trails are very big. The Capitol Forest is 80,000 acres. Just keeping people aware when they're out on the trail to just keep their eyes open. It's a big area out there," she says.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49891642.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 08:52:38 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:53:52 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..

no...my post is confusing.  They are searching about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.  Not where she was last seen,.  sorry...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:56:17 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 08:57:39 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 08:58:36 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.
i mis read
Quote
WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.
i got confused and didn't understand ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 08:59:05 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I hope she does not ban me.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:00:10 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
I haven't read that they were searching her house.
i mis read
Quote
WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, (which is the house where her girl friend lived.)
i got confused and didn't understand ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:01:03 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyWaa::

I hope she does not ban me.

Janet

It was a little bit funny!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 09:01:10 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::
Me too, now if I understand this right this man has a daughter who is friends with Lindsey. They are using a name of this person, but I'm not sure if it is the correct person, so that is why I didn't want to say his name, also because they put up an arrest on him, I think for some kind of domestic disturbance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 19, 2009, 09:01:33 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.
::MonkeyAngel::
 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..

no...my post is confusing.  They are searching about 1 1/2 miles from where she was last seen.  Not where she was last seen,.  sorry...
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:04:59 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6

WS was discussing with some locals about the ORV park and how the caretaker at the park was fired last week,police supposedly took his puter and there being a search going on at the park.


From Scandi at WS:

HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story


A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. {She would have no reason to lie IMO, as the call to her was out of the blue!}

She proceeded to tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

Fonda also told me she had heard the dogs were out again this morning in McCleary.

Her last words to me were so heartfelt. She said the people in town are saying there is something about this case that they can't put their finger on. There will be a burst of activity and then it seems like nothing is happening in the case. Then all of a sudden another burst of activity. They think that something is about to happen, just a communal feeling I guess, and then she said she believes they are out in the C Forest searching today from a tip they received.

We talked about Lindsey and she said you might not hear much about her or what is going on in the investigation if you're walking down the street. But the people who live here are keeping the case alive, talking between themselves and though it might not look good, they all hope she is found soon and that she is still alive.

I brought up the helicopters flying south of Hwy 8 in the middle of the night last week and she said everyone thought that was so strange as it is an uncommon occurance the way it was done, at least that is what the talk of the town is.

Back to Allen, his departure or firing was sudden and without fanfare. She said he was just taken off the job with nothing said to anyone who works there except they will be hiring a new caretaker for the ORV Park. xox

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http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6



I just want to give credit for these tips to all those involved.
This call to Fonda Voss came about from a tip from SeventeenSeconds at WS.She is a local and told us what her hubby was hearing around town(he works in McCleary),that prompted Scandi to make that call.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Karma,  it sounds like there were two searches today, one at the RR tracks and the second at the ORV park.  Is that what you are reading??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:07:19 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 09:09:50 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:10:07 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome NoRose.I was just all excited to hear something happening in this case.
They have a few locals over at WS and I have been reading thier posts all the time for info.
 ::MonkeyCool::
Me too, now if I understand this right this man has a daughter who is friends with Lindsey. They are using a name of this person, but I'm not sure if it is the correct person, so that is why I didn't want to say his name, also because they put up an arrest on him, I think for some kind of domestic disturbance.
I read his first name is Allen but haven't read far enough yet.I did read that the man fired from the park has a daughter Lindsey's age and was a friend of Lindsey's but that's as far as I got.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:12:32 PM
I noticed on WS they are talking about this, and also a post from a local.  (  LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family. )  Have no idea if this is rumor or not, but is interesting.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

WS says where they are searching is about 1 1/2 miles from Maple and 6th, which is the house where her girl friend lived.  She walked home from there.

Isn't it a bit unusual to have searches on a Sunday after a month has passed?  It could be important.   I wonder if they did find something. 
so are they searching the girl friends house OR by there....i want to get it straight..
MamaC,they were also searching by the railroad tracks 1 and 1/2 miles from where Lindsey was last seen on Maple street.

From Gailrene at WS(a local):

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=7

LE has found "something" near the RR tracks, about a half mile west of where Summit Road and Hiway 8 intersect. No idea what they found or if it pertains to Lindsey, but I'll keep you posted. Please pray for Lindsey and her family.




Karma,  it sounds like there were two searches today, one at the RR tracks and the second at the ORV park.  Is that what you are reading??
From what I'm reading there were/are 2 seaches going on.One by the railroad tracks and one in the ORV park.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 09:16:37 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 09:21:18 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 19, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
Thanks Karma

Janet
You're welcome Janet and I'm sorry AZSunny reported you to Klaas.   ::MonkeyWink::

KARMA!!! ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I get the feeling you are all having a good laugh at my expense.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Awwww {{{{Janet}}}}
You gotta admit,it was a quick way to get attention :)

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
Yikes   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 19, 2009, 10:51:53 PM

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??

A piece of fresh strawberry shortcake with real whipping cream is what I regard as "special".

 ::MonkeyAngel::

How ya doing AZSunny?  I have been thinking about you lately.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 10:58:49 PM


(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 11:08:05 PM

Karma

Have you ever heard of "payback"?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OH, dear.......I tried to report myself, but it wouldn't let me...go ahead, you try and report yourself.  It says, NO...why would you want to do that?  So I chose you!  isn't that special??

A piece of fresh strawberry shortcake with real whipping cream is what I regard as "special".

 ::MonkeyAngel::

How ya doing AZSunny?  I have been thinking about you lately.

Janet

Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 19, 2009, 11:11:36 PM
Guess, I had better sign off for a while, the winds are starting...I just wish there was rain with all this wind and dust!  Here come the sneezes again!

Issued at: 8:04 PM MST 7/19/09, expires at: 9:00 PM MST 7/19/09

The NWS in phoenix has issued a

severe thunderstorm warning for: east central maricopa county in south central Arizona, this includes the cities of, tempe, sun lakes, mesa, guadalupe, gilbert, chandler, northwestern pinal county in south central Arizona, Until 900 pm mst.
At 802 pm mst, national weather service doppler radar indicated a severe thunderstorm capable of producing damaging winds in excess of 60 mph. In addition, dense blowing dust may accompany this severe storm. This storm was located near sun lakes, and moving north at 5 mph.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 19, 2009, 11:19:21 PM


(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)

Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!

Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Love, Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 01:10:58 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 20, 2009, 05:02:24 AM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she is still alive.

I say that because of the 2 searches we learned about today, both in McCleary and in the morning hours, one up on Larson by the RR tracks a bit north of where it is possible some evidence was found and that is not confirmed.  It's just out there for now.  Then the team of the GHC Sheriff's who together with searchers started early this morning, saying nothing but walking up into Capitol Forest from the parking area which is close to the office at the entrance.

I actually was stuck there allot of the day catching up on new posts, but came tonight to see what's up like I often do, and get some help to find a certain SO with about 5 driving related offenses, maybe DUI's.

I belong to both forums and am fine with your bringing my post over here as it was done the right way.  And I must say even tho there are the 2 sites, with many members belonging to both, the long and the short of it is about finding Lindsey.  Any time I can tickle a brain to learn more I will.  We all will.  It is what Sleuthers do.

The locals are all devoted to Lindsey's being found, and today Gailrene got us all excited about the caretaker of the ORV park having been fired about a week ago and that LE took his computer and there might be an ongoing search. Then another dear poster said, hey, someone should drive out to the ORV park and see what's up.  Since I am 2 hours away and only a minute away by phone I decided to call instead and am glad I did.  Working together is not about taking credit.  It is about trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together so they all fall into place and that hopefully leads to doing our part in trying to find whoever is missing.

I wrote that long post in stages, posting then adding more info from my notes so posters could read it as I wrote it.  So I think there is more I wrote than is posted here.  I'll see what isn't here and post it tomoz.

Who knows if this caretaker just let go is our perp.  New things are being learned which might point to someone else.  That is why I hope if anyone knows of someone with 5 or so DUI's that would have the means to be in McCleary on a Fri nite, pass it on.  It might be nothing.  It might be everything! ::MonkeyShocked::  Out of respect to other posters I can't bring their info over here and I'm sure you understand.

xox





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2009, 07:30:44 AM
Thank you Scandi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 20, 2009, 08:33:26 AM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she is still alive.

I say that because of the 2 searches we learned about today, both in McCleary and in the morning hours, one up on Larson by the RR tracks a bit north of where it is possible some evidence was found and that is not confirmed.  It's just out there for now.  Then the team of the GHC Sheriff's who together with searchers started early this morning, saying nothing but walking up into Capitol Forest from the parking area which is close to the office at the entrance.

I actually was stuck there allot of the day catching up on new posts, but came tonight to see what's up like I often do, and get some help to find a certain SO with about 5 driving related offenses, maybe DUI's.

I belong to both forums and am fine with your bringing my post over here as it was done the right way.  And I must say even tho there are the 2 sites, with many members belonging to both, the long and the short of it is about finding Lindsey.  Any time I can tickle a brain to learn more I will.  We all will.  It is what Sleuthers do.

The locals are all devoted to Lindsey's being found, and today Gailrene got us all excited about the caretaker of the ORV park having been fired about a week ago and that LE took his computer and there might be an ongoing search. Then another dear poster said, hey, someone should drive out to the ORV park and see what's up.  Since I am 2 hours away and only a minute away by phone I decided to call instead and am glad I did.  Working together is not about taking credit.  It is about trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together so they all fall into place and that hopefully leads to doing our part in trying to find whoever is missing.

I wrote that long post in stages, posting then adding more info from my notes so posters could read it as I wrote it.  So I think there is more I wrote than is posted here.  I'll see what isn't here and post it tomoz.

Who knows if this caretaker just let go is our perp.  New things are being learned which might point to someone else.  That is why I hope if anyone knows of someone with 5 or so DUI's that would have the means to be in McCleary on a Fri nite, pass it on.  It might be nothing.  It might be everything! ::MonkeyShocked::  Out of respect to other posters I can't bring their info over here and I'm sure you understand.

xox




Thank you Scandi
I did try my best to give credit to any poster on any forum because like you said,it's all about finding answers and possible leads to what happened to a missing person.I do enjoy all of your posts here and at WS.
 ps....you gonna wear that bunny suit till Easter 2010?
lol....it's waaaay too hot for that!
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 09:47:55 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:12:32 AM
Someone, anyone, give me the benefit of the doubt and do some searching and looking into the KaraK situation.  Where are they from, why, how long a resident?  We do anyone else the same way but not them, why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:13:51 AM
Originally Posted by cyberswept 
Ok guys, where to begin. First I am going to report what I was told today and how it came about. It's up to you as to whether you take it as hearsay or not. However, I believe this person for what that is worth.

My 5 year old was playing with the 5 year old next door today. His sister came over and was talking to my wife earlier and mentioned Lindsey's case. So later this evening I caught up with her and couldn't resist asking questions. Here are the details of what we talked about.

First, the person I talked to is an 11 year old schoolmate and friend of Lindsey. We'll call her Shel.

She confirmed that Lindsey goes to McCleary School with her and that she has gone there the whole time she has lived here.


Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).

So then I asked: Do they have any suspects? She said they had 1 local that is a person of interest. She didn't have a name, darn it. So then I asked if he was a SO. She said no, but he had been arrested for drunk driving 5 times. (Sound like anyone we know?)

I also asked her about the pool. Shel said the pool she was in that day was just a kiddy pool and they were all just playing and splashing. She has seen the pool. If that is the case, then chlorine would not have been an issue.

Lindsey's relationship with her father only started recently. She mentioned she hadn't seen her father in 10 years which would be pretty much her whole life. She mentioned she did get to see her father not too long ago, but whether he was here or she went there wasn't clear.

I asked if Lindsey ever talked about the ORV park, or riding motorcycles and she said she never mentioned it or knew of her being associated with that.

As of work being done off of tips, she said they have been searching peoples basements and searching the wooded areas around more. More like spot checking though. She mentioned that airplanes have been searching over the area too. Although I haven't heard but maybe one recently.

Shel has been over to Lindsey's before and gave me some interesting info on the Lindsey's brother, however, I don't know since he is a juvenile, what I can report here. She told me about his behavior and some of his threats that she has been witness too. She says the brother scares her.

She mentioned there have been reports that Lindsey was located. Once in some sewer and then another location, but they proved to be false. However, that could have triggered some LE activity and might explain some of that.

I wanted to ask her more, but felt I had gotten a lot from her and wanted to report to my websleuth friends.                ((From WS, thought this was quite interesting to say the least. Drunk driving five times, anyone know who this is? ))


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:14:53 AM
Someone, anyone, give me the benefit of the doubt and do some searching and looking into the KaraK situation.  Where are they from, why, how long a resident?  We do anyone else the same way but not them, why?
I don't trust anyone  ::MonkeyEek::   Look at my post from WS from a local, interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:21:07 AM
Pradon me, but I have to rely on Blink and the Monkeys to do all my thinking...who has multiple DUI's?  The guy fired from the park, KaraK's man or SO mentioned before.  HELP! ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:25:30 AM
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/InmateDetail.asp?SrchNameNo=51705


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:30:02 AM
Thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 10:30:36 AM
Thank you.
I'm hoping someone has a picture of him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 20, 2009, 10:36:42 AM
Off to work, bbl my smart friends!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 10:53:09 AM
Originally Posted by cyberswept 
Ok guys, where to begin. First I am going to report what I was told today and how it came about. It's up to you as to whether you take it as hearsay or not. However, I believe this person for what that is worth.

My 5 year old was playing with the 5 year old next door today. His sister came over and was talking to my wife earlier and mentioned Lindsey's case. So later this evening I caught up with her and couldn't resist asking questions. Here are the details of what we talked about.

First, the person I talked to is an 11 year old schoolmate and friend of Lindsey. We'll call her Shel.

She confirmed that Lindsey goes to McCleary School with her and that she has gone there the whole time she has lived here.


Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).

So then I asked: Do they have any suspects? She said they had 1 local that is a person of interest. She didn't have a name, darn it. So then I asked if he was a SO. She said no, but he had been arrested for drunk driving 5 times. (Sound like anyone we know?)

I also asked her about the pool. Shel said the pool she was in that day was just a kiddy pool and they were all just playing and splashing. She has seen the pool. If that is the case, then chlorine would not have been an issue.

Lindsey's relationship with her father only started recently. She mentioned she hadn't seen her father in 10 years which would be pretty much her whole life. She mentioned she did get to see her father not too long ago, but whether he was here or she went there wasn't clear.

I asked if Lindsey ever talked about the ORV park, or riding motorcycles and she said she never mentioned it or knew of her being associated with that.

As of work being done off of tips, she said they have been searching peoples basements and searching the wooded areas around more. More like spot checking though. She mentioned that airplanes have been searching over the area too. Although I haven't heard but maybe one recently.

Shel has been over to Lindsey's before and gave me some interesting info on the Lindsey's brother, however, I don't know since he is a juvenile, what I can report here. She told me about his behavior and some of his threats that she has been witness too. She says the brother scares her.

She mentioned there have been reports that Lindsey was located. Once in some sewer and then another location, but they proved to be false. However, that could have triggered some LE activity and might explain some of that.

I wanted to ask her more, but felt I had gotten a lot from her and wanted to report to my websleuth friends.                ((From WS, thought this was quite interesting to say the least. Drunk driving five times, anyone know who this is? ))

KaraK said she started school someplace else (Elma I think) and then started going to McCleary. She also said that until the divorce and moving that Lindsey did have a relationship with her dad.

Who knows.   ::shrugs::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 20, 2009, 11:03:26 AM
Goodmorning Monkeys,
Just thought I would drop by before getting ready for work ::MonkeyWaa::.  I hope today is the day for finding Lindsey. And may the angels protect all the other children who will face abuse today. ::MonkeyAngel::

traci


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 11:07:00 AM
That's right who knows, at this point I have no idea what is rumor or truth, just thought that was interesting what was being talked about  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:11:41 AM

Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).
----------

Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt or jacket either. Nor flip flops.

She was wearing a light blue lightweight pullover shirt that had a hood and black cloth tennis shoe slip ons.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:15:04 AM
That's right who knows, at this point I have no idea what is rumor or truth, just thought that was interesting what was being talked about  ::MonkeyConfused::

It is interesting, I agree. They could get their facts straight though, if they are going to gossip. LOL!

;)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 11:18:33 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?

LE has checked him out. He volunteered for a lie detector test and LE has said they were "comfortable" with his answers. They said the same about Lindsey's mom test.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 11:37:32 AM
I know I'm probably gonna get nanners thrown at me BUT I am still hanging on the wall by my fingernails everytime KaraK posts something.  What about her husband/boyfriend whom ever he is?  I just think there was time for him/them to do something to LB.  We can't just dismiss them.  We must look at everyone right?  How come he was never gone over?  KaraK answers any and all questions at any time and I appreciate that but I just doesn't sit right with me.  Anyone else?

In the process of elimination ... I believe that EVERYBODY known to have had a contact with Lindsey Baum in the last two hours of their lives should be a focus in the investigation in regards to a person of interest.

However ... considering the witness observation places Lindsey Baum within minutes of arriving home ... I suspect that something back happened to her withing the last two blocks of her ten minute journey home or ... something happened to her when she arrived home.

IMO

Janet

++++++++

1.  Melissa Baum and Scott Williams volunteered to take a polygraphy and ... according to Sheriff Scott ... they both passed.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

KOMO News – July 2, 2009


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


2.  A neighbour who witnessed Lindsey Baum around 9:30 PM at Sixth and Maple ... two blocks from her home ... on the night she disappeared.  This would affirm Kara Kampen and Scott William's contention that Lindsey left their home between 9:15PM and 9:30PM for her ten minute walk home.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


3.  The neighbour's observation would would affirm Kara Kampen and Scott William's contention that Lindsey left their home between 9:15PM and 9:30PM for her ten minute walk home.

Kara Kampen/Scott Williams

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Kara Kampen
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #532 on: July 16, 2009, 09:36:52 PM »


I say she left around 9:15 my old man says it was closer to 9:30 an eye witness who lives on my street says she saw her heading home between 9:20 and 9:45.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg879879#msg879879


4.  Kara Kampen contends that her Michaela watched Lindsey for a short period of time after she left on foot for home.

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

 
When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 11:50:33 AM

Shel has been told that Lindsey's sweatshirt jacket and a flipflop of hers was found, but not reported in the media. They were not found together. The jacket was a little ways from the flipflop that was found in some bushes behind the shell station. From where the flipflop was found was just about in sight of Lindsey's home and they speculated that she was being chased and lost the flipflop while trying to hide from someone. The sweatshirt jacket may have come off during a schuffle. (My opinion).
----------

Lindsey was not wearing a sweatshirt or jacket either. Nor flip flops.

She was wearing a light blue lightweight pullover shirt that had a hood and black cloth tennis shoe slip ons.



Endangered Missing
LINDSEY BAUM

... She was last seen leaving a friend's house on the evening of June 26, 2009. Lindsey was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=1125977&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US


The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

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My understanding is that "The Daily World" now charges $5.00 for one day access to articles.










Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:01:35 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

+++++++

Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 12:12:30 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

+++++++

Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:15:50 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

+++++++

Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Morning No Rose Colored Glasses

According to Sheriff Scott ...

The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 12:18:43 PM
Thanks, then I wonder where the flip flops came from? So if there was a struggle, which I personally don't believe, it would be much harder for that type of shoe to fall off.  Good Morning.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:19:34 PM
According to media accounts ... Lindsey Baum was not wearing flip flops.

Janet

+++++++

Police search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum
July 1, 2009 by: Express


Lindsey is described as 4-foot 9-inches tall and 80 pounds, with brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a grey pullover hoodie with blue jeans and black shoes.

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2009/07/police-search-for-10-year-old-lindsey-baum/


I thought they were somekind of shoe that would be easy to come off in case of a struggle   ::MonkeyConfused::

Good Morning No Rose Colored Glasses

According to Sheriff Scott ...

The Daily Word - June 27, 2009

Lindsey Baum, who was wearing a hooded sweatshirt that was either gray or blue, jeans and black sneakers, was walking from her friend’s house on Maple Street to her own home on Mommsen Road, a four-block distance, and was last seen at about 9:15 p.m., said Sgt. Ed Patrick with the Grays Harbor Sheriffs Office.

However ... the Lindsey Baum website states the following ...


LINDSEY BAUM
MISSING FROM McCLEARY WASHINGTON


Lindsey was last seen leaving a friend's house on the evening of June 26, 2009.
She was wearing a hooded pullover shirt, blue jeans, and black slip on shoes.

http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 12:19:44 PM
It was explained that the media got the shirt wrong, calling it a sweatshirt because of it being a "hoodie". It was actually a lightweight pullover shirt with a hood.


Here is the new poster via http://www.lindseybaum.com
website.

(http://www.lindseybaum.com/lindseyflyer.jpg)

http://www.lindseybaum.com/lindseyflyer.jpg

direct link in case anyone wants to post it to their facebook page or other blogs etc.

http://fbook.me/lindseybaum

is the facebook page started by friends/family




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 20, 2009, 12:21:30 PM
Well, there are sneakers and there are sneakers.  There are some that slip on, some that tie, some that velcro, some that tie or slip on and are backless etc.  To me, sneaker is a very general term.  JMHO  Tennis shoes, jogging shoes, trainers....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 20, 2009, 12:25:42 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:38:06 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



This summer each my four eldest grandkids (6-11) all wear a type of slip-on clog made made of foam rubber.  Four different colors but ... no black.  Personally ... I would never refer to these shoes as "sneakers".  However ... I am often told by family members that I am "out of the loop" in regards to style.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet       


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 20, 2009, 12:41:02 PM
Now slip ons could be like those canvas deck shoe slip ons or "clog-like" slips on that look like tennis shoes.



This summer each my four eldest grandkids (6-11) all wear a type of slip-on clog made made of foam rubber.  Four different colors but ... no black.  Personally ... I would never refer to these shoes as "sneakers".  However ... I am often told by family members that I am "out of the loop" in regards to style.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet       

When I think about it ... these "clogs" worn by my grandkids could be considered modified "flip flops".

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 20, 2009, 12:43:25 PM
Please,if anyone knows Scandi from WS,could you ask her to post that ORV park info she posted at WS?Please?

Hi Karma,  It has been a very eventful and exciting Sunday to say the least.  Even if the info we learned today is not all about Lindsey, we learned that the investigation seems to be alive.  The townspeople of McCleary are eager for Lindsey to be found and of course hope she is still alive.

I say that because of the 2 searches we learned about today, both in McCleary and in the morning hours, one up on Larson by the RR tracks a bit north of where it is possible some evidence was found and that is not confirmed.  It's just out there for now.  Then the team of the GHC Sheriff's who together with searchers started early this morning, saying nothing but walking up into Capitol Forest from the parking area which is close to the office at the entrance.

I actually was stuck there allot of the day catching up on new posts, but came tonight to see what's up like I often do, and get some help to find a certain SO with about 5 driving related offenses, maybe DUI's.

I belong to both forums and am fine with your bringing my post over here as it was done the right way.  And I must say even tho there are the 2 sites, with many members belonging to both, the long and the short of it is about finding Lindsey.  Any time I can tickle a brain to learn more I will.  We all will.  It is what Sleuthers do.

The locals are all devoted to Lindsey's being found, and today Gailrene got us all excited about the caretaker of the ORV park having been fired about a week ago and that LE took his computer and there might be an ongoing search. Then another dear poster said, hey, someone should drive out to the ORV park and see what's up.  Since I am 2 hours away and only a minute away by phone I decided to call instead and am glad I did.  Working together is not about taking credit.  It is about trying to fit the pieces of the puzzle together so they all fall into place and that hopefully leads to doing our part in trying to find whoever is missing.

I wrote that long post in stages, posting then adding more info from my notes so posters could read it as I wrote it.  So I think there is more I wrote than is posted here.  I'll see what isn't here and post it tomoz.

Who knows if this caretaker just let go is our perp.  New things are being learned which might point to someone else.  That is why I hope if anyone knows of someone with 5 or so DUI's that would have the means to be in McCleary on a Fri nite, pass it on.  It might be nothing.  It might be everything! ::MonkeyShocked::  Out of respect to other posters I can't bring their info over here and I'm sure you understand.

xox




Thank you Scandi
I did try my best to give credit to any poster on any forum because like you said,it's all about finding answers and possible leads to what happened to a missing person.I do enjoy all of your posts here and at WS.
 ps....you gonna wear that bunny suit till Easter 2010?
lol....it's waaaay too hot for that!
 ::MonkeyWink::

LOL, I am about dying from heat prostration and tinight will have to mosey over and find a new outfit.  It's going to be in the mid-90's here today in Portland so it's hot all over.

Thanks Karma, I always enjoy reading your posts too!  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 20, 2009, 12:49:07 PM
Man suspected in Tacoma rape attempts arrested

03:59 PM PDT on Sunday, July 19, 2009
TACOMA, Wash. - Tacoma Police have arrested a man suspected of attacking two women earlier this week.

Authorities say they received a tip that Earl Lee Sherrod was at the Olympus Hotel in downtown Tacoma. They arrested him as he came out of the hotel elevator.

The 53-year-old is accused in two separate robberies. One was caught on surveillance video.

In both cases, the alleged victims say Sherrod held a knife to them and threatened to kidnap and rape them.

Both women got away unharmed

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071909WAB-sherrod-arrested-SW.587129af.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 20, 2009, 12:58:27 PM
Man suspected in Tacoma rape attempts arrested

03:59 PM PDT on Sunday, July 19, 2009
TACOMA, Wash. - Tacoma Police have arrested a man suspected of attacking two women earlier this week.

Authorities say they received a tip that Earl Lee Sherrod was at the Olympus Hotel in downtown Tacoma. They arrested him as he came out of the hotel elevator.

The 53-year-old is accused in two separate robberies. One was caught on surveillance video.

In both cases, the alleged victims say Sherrod held a knife to them and threatened to kidnap and rape them.

Both women got away unharmed

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_071909WAB-sherrod-arrested-SW.587129af.html
Tacoma is about 50 plus miles from McLeary.  Not a likely connection in my book. These were women also, not children IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 20, 2009, 02:44:09 PM
O/T the remains of Victoria Stafford from Woodstock ON may have been found.  Please take the time to light a candle to remember Tori.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Tori


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 03:56:07 PM
i just read something at WS that i think is interesting involving kara k, but i dont know if im allowed to post it here and do not want to break any forum rules.  is it ok if i post it if i put the link up?  sorry i am kinda new to this and i dont want to get in trouble or post something im not supposed to


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 04:04:22 PM
i just read something at WS that i think is interesting involving kara k, but i dont know if im allowed to post it here and do not want to break any forum rules.  is it ok if i post it if i put the link up?  sorry i am kinda new to this and i dont want to get in trouble or post something im not supposed to
I just read that also, interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: canadianmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:16:27 PM
i just read something at WS that i think is interesting involving kara k, but i dont know if im allowed to post it here and do not want to break any forum rules.  is it ok if i post it if i put the link up?  sorry i am kinda new to this and i dont want to get in trouble or post something im not supposed to

Earlier yesterday I believe someone asked Klassend and the reply said as long as you give credit and a link back to WS, it's okay.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 04:21:52 PM
okay here is the link and the post from cyberswept at WS..

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3974382&postcount=483

Guys I am posting this really fast to get it on the board while it's fresh in my memory, but I'll be gone for awhile. I wasn't planning on having any real new info to submit, just photos, but as life works in mysterious ways, read below.

Today I went down to the Shell station to get some pictures to help clear up some of what I had reported yesterday. I could hardly believe what happened next. It must have been fate. Guess who saw me taking pictures and walked up and introduced herself? Kara! (Kara as you recall is the mother of Lindsey's friend who sent her home that night.) So I introduced myself and told her where I lived and that I was taking pictures for a forum where we were discussing Lindsey's case. I told her there has been some speculation on the boards we were trying to clear up. She volunteered that she at first was blogging or posting on scaredmonkeys.com about the case, but later quit. (At least I think that is what she called the web site.) I wished I'd had a notepad with me, but I was totally unprepared for this chance encounter. The reason she stopped blogging/posting was because the kids were starting to read the forums and information about the family was coming out that they didn't want the kids to read. She did not elaborate on what that was and I didn't press her about it.

So needless to say I had a thousand questions. First off the hoodie and flipflops. She said they DID NOT find them as I was told by Shel last night. She said she thinks the confusion comes from the items the dogs were given to sniff.

So that lead to the next question, the scent trail. She said the dogs picked up her scent all over town because basically she in the previous days had been all over, so they don't give much credance to the scent information.

She said there was a text going around that they had found Lindsey's body. So many people believed it, they started taking down the posters for her. Kara said they are now trying to get those back up.

Kara said that herself and the woman from the Laura Recovery Center (can't remember her name, started with an A though) are told anytime the dogs go out searching and that they knew of no searches in the ORV park. However, they did say that LE was not being very cooperative with them.

I also asked about the other adults in the home. She said just her kids and boyfriend were there and not other adults as has been previously discussed.

So I asked about the pool too. It is NOT a kiddie pool like I reported last night. The pool they swam in is in a yard just SW of the shell station. It is one of the ones inflated with water that has the inflated ring on top. It looks to be about 12 to 15 ft in diameter and about 3 ft deep. The yard is very open. When I drove by I could see most of it. I did not drive around the block it was on because I needed to get back home and I was afraid I was going to forget all this info.

Some info on the woman from the Laura Recovery Center. She is from Oregon and her niece was taken in California some months ago. I think she said she is a volunteer here helping coordinate the search effort along with Kara. They are looking for a building or operations center here in McCleary. If anyone knows of one they can use, please let me know.

I would like to say that both Kara and the woman from the recovery center were very nice to talk to and they are trying to keep Lindsey's name out there and on people's lips. Don't think that will be a problem around here!

Oh. I asked about the camera's at the Shell Station. Kara said the one camera on top doesn't work and the other one is pointed straight at the pumps and doesn't even get all of them in the picture. Very poor system. She said nothing was on the tapes.

(I'll have to submit the pictures later. I don't have time to do it right now as wife wants to go to Costco and as a good husband, I am compelled to go. )



again, credit for that post goes to cyberswept from Websleuths:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3974382&postcount=483


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 04:30:27 PM
Thanks sunshine12  ::MonkeyCool::  What is true and what isn't, this is really frustrating.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 04:38:02 PM
Thanks sunshine12  ::MonkeyCool::  What is true and what isn't, this is really frustrating.

yes, something just didnt sit right with me when i read that...i wonder what info about her family was coming out that she didn't want her kids to read...i can totally understand not wanting your whole background exposed on the internet though

another thing, why didnt she say from the beginning that the dogs picked up lindsays scent all over town, i thought the private dogs that were brought in only picked it up on that one street?

i also thought she said herself that there were other people in the house besides her and her kids and husband, i have to go back and read through all the old posts..anyway, i am not trying to point fingers at all and am very grateful that karak did come on here to answer all of our questions, i just believe as most of us do that in the process of elimination everyone needs to be carefully looked at with a fine toothed comb and any contradicting statements need to be examined.. thanks again to cyberswept from WS for that info


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 04:41:10 PM
Thanks sunshine12  ::MonkeyCool::  What is true and what isn't, this is really frustrating.

yes, something just didnt sit right with me when i read that...i wonder what info about her family was coming out that she didn't want her kids to read...i can totally understand not wanting your whole background exposed on the internet though

another thing, why didnt she say from the beginning that the dogs picked up lindsays scent all over town, i thought the private dogs that were brought in only picked it up on that one street?

i also thought she said herself that there were other people in the house besides her and her kids and husband, i have to go back and read through all the old posts..anyway, i am not trying to point fingers at all and am very grateful that karak did come on here to answer all of our questions, i just believe as most of us do that in the process of elimination everyone needs to be carefully looked at with a fine toothed comb and any contradicting statements need to be examined.. thanks again to cyberswept from WS for that info
Something doesn't sit right with me either, but it never did. To many conflicting stories  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 05:40:39 PM
i believe they did find something...what i'm not exactly sure of..but honestly, why would LE tell KK anything if they know shes on messageboards posting things...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 06:03:53 PM
i believe they did find something...what i'm not exactly sure of..but honestly, why would LE tell KK anything if they know shes on messageboards posting things...
I don't believe they would.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 20, 2009, 07:58:57 PM
From BoonDock at WS:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/wan/1277108177.html



I think this is the command center being set up by Kara and the Laura Recovery Center.

http://www.lrcf.org/









Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 20, 2009, 08:00:52 PM
Also from BoonDock on WS:

(some dirt bikes missing the same day as Lindsey went missing)

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/mcy/1271026160.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 08:09:02 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 20, 2009, 08:25:29 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're welcome sweety.Seems kinda quiet tonight,I think I'll go watch tv and eat my guacamole.
Have a good night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 08:28:51 PM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're welcome sweety.Seems kinda quiet tonight,I think I'll go watch tv and eat my guacamole.
Have a good night.
Yes, you have a good night also, guacamole sounds good  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 20, 2009, 08:46:23 PM
Greys Harbor County Sheriff office list of offenders...


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?SubmitAllSearch=1&AgencyID=54470


http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=744203&AgencyID=54470


Hi Monkeys,

Hope I don't destroy my first post/ quote.  SO nervous! 

Thanks for the Gray's Harbour link, Edward... I noticed this one (link above?)... Description of his tattoos caught my attention... (eating utensil)...
On the loose..

This case is mystifying me.  I'd be looking at anyone - everywhere.. and the dogs are onto something. JMO

O/T
I've been lurking for months and am astounded by the amazing work you all do.  You're all amazing Monkeys.   I keep forgetting to log in, cos I'm so used to observing.. ,and learning so much from you all in the process.  My deepest thanks and Monkey hugs to you all.

WELCOME, Trip!!   ::MonkeyDance:: We're glad you're here!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 08:48:46 PM
im confused as to why kara k is trying to make herself look like she is so involved in the case and went on to talk abut how she joined scared monkeys but stopped posting here when in a previous post here, she said how she was told not to join WS...its just kinda weird to me, and also she must not be as in the loop as she thinks she is when it comes to the funding of the search headquarters because that had already been decided based on the craigs list ad 2 days before seh spoke to the person on websleuths....just a simple observation...i hope im not annoying anyone with my hammering of this subject lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 08:50:20 PM
im confused as to why kara k is trying to make herself look like she is so involved in the case and went on to talk abut how she joined scared monkeys but stopped posting here when in a previous post here, she said how she was told not to join WS...its just kinda weird to me, and also she must not be as in the loop as she thinks she is when it comes to the funding of the search headquarters because that had already been decided based on the craigs list ad 2 days before seh spoke to the person on websleuths....just a simple observation...i hope im not annoying anyone with my hammering of this subject lol
Good observation, not annoying me any  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 09:10:23 PM
im confused as to why kara k is trying to make herself look like she is so involved in the case and went on to talk abut how she joined scared monkeys but stopped posting here when in a previous post here, she said how she was told not to join WS...its just kinda weird to me, and also she must not be as in the loop as she thinks she is when it comes to the funding of the search headquarters because that had already been decided based on the craigs list ad 2 days before seh spoke to the person on websleuths....just a simple observation...i hope im not annoying anyone with my hammering of this subject lol
hammer away...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 20, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
okay well, i'm just gonna say that i think lindsay tried to go somewhere else or meet up with someone else after she left the home of kk because she still had time before she had to be home for her curfew, and it still wasnt that dark out ....maybe she was walking to another frien'ds home to see if she could sleep there.

i think lindsay saw/heard/or felt something strange and maybe started to run away, kind of like a fight or flight response to some one that she encountered on her way home.. i believe her clothes or one of her shoes was found in the area the first night of the search and i think thats why they were able to call this an abduction. 

i think karak feels extremely guilty about not walking lindsey home and im gonna agree with nancy grace when she talked about how could someone not walk the child home..and im gonna agree with nancy on this one, so i can see why karak feels this guilt b/c i think she should have walked her home.  maybe this is why she felt the need to come on here and justify her actions and everything but who knows... i just really got strange feelings after reading that post.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:04:56 PM
 :smt102 :gaah:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
how about for the sake of sanity we just start to stick with the crappy/confusing reporting that is coming from the papers....i realize that its frustrating but is the most fact-based information....
it will take some work going through all this with-out some 'inside' info, but it may be the best thing we can do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:32:59 PM
Quote
I agree Nut. Even in a small town. Children CAN be snatched even in a small town. It does happen there and everywhere.


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Missing 10-year-old girl's mom: 'A part of me thinks the worst'

Story Updated: Jun 28, 2009 at 10:30 AM PDT
By KOMO Staff

MCCLEARY, Wash. - As the search for a missing 10-year-old girl stretched into its second day in this small mill town, police and family are beginning to fear she may have been kidnapped.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found.

Volunteers went from door to door, interviewing people and distributing fliers. But no one saw or heard anything. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

The search was resumed Sunday at 6 a.m., but so far with the same futile result as the day before.

Police are hesitant to call the girl's disappearance a case of foul play just yet, but the girl's family fears the worst.

"I've tried to keep the thought of somebody grabbing her out of my mind," says her mother, Melissa Baum.

She says Lindsey argued with her brother on her way to a friend's house Friday night. She talked to her friend for a bit, then started for home as darkness fell.

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15. Another friend even walked her part of the way, but Lindsey never showed up at her home.

Her mother says it's not like her to stay away - especially at night.

"She wouldn't stay out that late after dark. She doesn't like to be outside by herself," Melissa Baum says. "I want to think that everything's OK, but there's a part of me that thinks the worst."

Now hope has turned to anxiety and alarm among frustrated search teams - and the whole town, population 1,550, where everybody knows their neighbors.

The mother is also at a loss.

She says her daughter is upset about her recent divorce, but doesn't have money to run away - and has never tried to run away before. Her mom doubts at this point that Lindsey is trying to hide.

"If somebody does have her, I wish they would just drop her off somewhere where she can get to a pay phone and call 911 or call home, so that we can come and get her," she says, sobbing.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray or blue hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She has brown eyes, brown hair, and stands about 4-feet-9-inches and weighs about 80 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:35:57 PM
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10 Year Old Lindsey J. Baum Missing Since Friday, June 26, 2009 in McCleary, WA

http://missingexploited.com/2009/06/28/10-year-old-lindsey-j-baum-missing-since-friday-june-26-2009-in-mccleary-wa/


The police are hesitant to refer to the missing girl’s disappearance a case of foul play; however, the more time goes by, the greater the possibility.

The short walk home from a friends house in a town so small is a troubling bit of information. We have seen in the past just how fast a drive by abduction can be.
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:39:10 PM
Quote
anet - this is her best friend Kayla's myspace.  Kayla is around the same age as Lindsey.  I've blurred out Kayla's face some but is that a matteress on the floor?  Can you imagine a 10yr old child with a photo like that on Myspace?

bump


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 20, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
Quote
Did you read that entry about her feeling something bad is going to happen?

On the 29th of May.

The sign-in could be LE or FBI couldn't it klaas?
Should someone call the tip line and let them know or you think they know? If she created the page at someone else's house, it may not be on her home computer.
bump

Ya'll realize this is page 1 on the first Lindsey thread.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 12:30:22 AM
ok so i am not sure if this is conected to lindsey or if it is some kind of drill, but I was in my house whitch is located on the elma side of the mox chehalis road area NOT MALONE..... dont want to say right where I live for safty reason. There was a plane flying over that met with a hlicopter flew over a bit together and then split back up. The plane went tword the airport and the helicopter went tword Olympic Forest. I took some photos with my Iphone but Im not sure if you can make them out as I kinda missed it when they were close. I couldnt find my phone. :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 01:41:40 AM
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/elma%20Mccleary/?albumview=slideshow

Here is a link to my album. I looked at the pics and can not even see the aircraft. Anyway it gives you a bit of idea what the forest around looks like I guess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 12:19:06 PM
I would believe there is only one person who does not feel guilty about what they could have done, should have done, why did they do what they did, would do different if they could, etc.  That one person is the one who has Lindsey.  More than 20,000 comments have been made about this case.  I understand this is a forum for discussion, but when a person or persons (the mother, the brother, the father, the neighbor, the other neighbor, the gas station owner with or without the right angle on his cameras, the video store owner, the employer, LE, dogs, FBI, etc. etc. etc.) is repeatedly criticized for not doing what "we" think should have been done or even what  logic dictates, someone kindly tell me how such attacks are helping bring Lindsey home.  It was dark, it was light, it was too far, she should have done, I would have done, how could they, I never would -- where does this lead in the search?  Questions that are asked to help find her are good.  They need to be asked.  But to focus on what has already happened is a waste of energy and IMO puts a lot of negative energy into positively looking to bring her home.  Just my honest opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 21, 2009, 12:44:25 PM
I would believe there is only one person who does not feel guilty about what they could have done, should have done, why did they do what they did, would do different if they could, etc.  That one person is the one who has Lindsey.  More than 20,000 comments have been made about this case.  I understand this is a forum for discussion, but when a person or persons (the mother, the brother, the father, the neighbor, the other neighbor, the gas station owner with or without the right angle on his cameras, the video store owner, the employer, LE, dogs, FBI, etc. etc. etc.) is repeatedly criticized for not doing what "we" think should have been done or even what  logic dictates, someone kindly tell me how such attacks are helping bring Lindsey home.  It was dark, it was light, it was too far, she should have done, I would have done, how could they, I never would -- where does this lead in the search?  Questions that are asked to help find her are good.  They need to be asked.  But to focus on what has already happened is a waste of energy and IMO puts a lot of negative energy into positively looking to bring her home.  Just my honest opinion.

sorry if i offended you with my post


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 12:55:22 PM
I would believe there is only one person who does not feel guilty about what they could have done, should have done, why did they do what they did, would do different if they could, etc.  That one person is the one who has Lindsey.  More than 20,000 comments have been made about this case.  I understand this is a forum for discussion, but when a person or persons (the mother, the brother, the father, the neighbor, the other neighbor, the gas station owner with or without the right angle on his cameras, the video store owner, the employer, LE, dogs, FBI, etc. etc. etc.) is repeatedly criticized for not doing what "we" think should have been done or even what  logic dictates, someone kindly tell me how such attacks are helping bring Lindsey home.  It was dark, it was light, it was too far, she should have done, I would have done, how could they, I never would -- where does this lead in the search?  Questions that are asked to help find her are good.  They need to be asked.  But to focus on what has already happened is a waste of energy and IMO puts a lot of negative energy into positively looking to bring her home.  Just my honest opinion.

sorry if i offended you with my post

Sunshine, I am not offended, truly.  I just believe time is of the essence and am trying to think "forward" (if that makes any sense).
 :pr:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 21, 2009, 12:55:42 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.

no rose colored glasses

In the process of elimination ... I contend that all the actions of those who last came in contact with Lindsey or ... were suppose to have a contact with Lindsey ... should be scrutinized prior to being eliminated as persons of interest and ... I pray that scrutiny is being done behind the scences in the course of the investigation.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 02:06:00 PM
Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!

Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Love, Janet

More Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 02:16:19 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 02:42:02 PM
Janet,  dreading the 1st of August.  That is the day I lost my husband.  I am trying so hard to focus on other things, but it is like an elephant standing in front of me.  I miss him so much it physically hurts.     I will work on the shortcake, can you pick your own strawberry's??  They do not keep well when it is 111 at 7PM here!

Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Love, Janet

More Hugs

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Janet...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 02:43:41 PM
i just googles Lindsey and on one of the newspaper sited on the comments section people are getting upset because apparently they have been placing collection jars for Lindsey's family and opened up an account as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 02:44:23 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
i just googles Lindsey and on one of the newspaper sited on the comments section people are getting upset because apparently they have been placing collection jars for Lindsey's family and opened up an account as well. 
sorry on the newspapers site, in the comments section ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 02:50:33 PM
O my goodness just stop. Sorry but I just found something on the net about the Allen that worked at the ORV 

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=173193


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 02:52:04 PM
i just googles Lindsey and on one of the newspaper sited on the comments section people are getting upset because apparently they have been placing collection jars for Lindsey's family and opened up an account as well. 
sorry on the newspapers site, in the comments section ::MonkeyConfused::

I don't think that is out of line, if it is done correctly.  I think that most missing childrens families have this done to assist with needed flyers, and expenses, such as missed work etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 02:54:03 PM
O my goodness just stop. Sorry but I just found something on the net about the Allen that worked at the ORV 

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=173193

OH MY GOSH!!!  Are we sure this is the same guy?  His middle name is Allen??  Where did you get the confirmation of the last name.  This just happened yesterday.  great find.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 02:58:59 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 03:01:03 PM
Who is the person who called Mrs. Voss before? They could call her again and confirm this is him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:01:13 PM
O my goodness just stop. Sorry but I just found something on the net about the Allen that worked at the ORV 

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=173193

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:01:35 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 03:02:10 PM
Who is the person who called Mrs. Voss before? They could call her again and confirm this is him.

Was it someone from our board, or was it someone from WS?? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 03:05:49 PM
it says he's 74? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:05:58 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=173193


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
Where is Montesano in relation to McCleary?

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 03:08:19 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6

WS was discussing with some locals about the ORV park and how the caretaker at the park was fired last week,police supposedly took his puter and there being a search going on at the park.


From Scandi at WS:

HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story


A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. {She would have no reason to lie IMO, as the call to her was out of the blue!}

She proceeded to tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

Fonda also told me she had heard the dogs were out again this morning in McCleary.

Her last words to me were so heartfelt. She said the people in town are saying there is something about this case that they can't put their finger on. There will be a burst of activity and then it seems like nothing is happening in the case. Then all of a sudden another burst of activity. They think that something is about to happen, just a communal feeling I guess, and then she said she believes they are out in the C Forest searching today from a tip they received.

We talked about Lindsey and she said you might not hear much about her or what is going on in the investigation if you're walking down the street. But the people who live here are keeping the case alive, talking between themselves and though it might not look good, they all hope she is found soon and that she is still alive.

I brought up the helicopters flying south of Hwy 8 in the middle of the night last week and she said everyone thought that was so strange as it is an uncommon occurance the way it was done, at least that is what the talk of the town is.

Back to Allen, his departure or firing was sudden and without fanfare. She said he was just taken off the job with nothing said to anyone who works there except they will be hiring a new caretaker for the ORV Park. xox

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=6





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
No one, including me, has ever said someone should not be investigated in order to be eliminated or not.  My point, which I obviously didn't make clear, is when people state "I would never have let my child/grandchild" or "how could they be so irresponsible" -- I think they are personal attacks and do nothing to further the investigation.  Should everyone be investigated, you betcha.  No one every said otherwise.

anyone?
snipped from Northern Rose
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss


I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

A lady answered the phone and I told her my name and that there were several of us who had heard about new searches in Lindsey's case and she and I were suddenly bosom buddies.

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

She then mentioned that early this morning the Sheriff's officers and search and rescue crews were there and headed out into the Capitol Forest part of the park. She must have meant where it is heavily treed. She said it was a sizable group of people and of course they didn't tell anyone at the park where they were headed in the park or why.

I asked about the fire the Monday after the 4th and she said where they were headed this morning was not in the area where the fire was. She said the fire was investigated thoroughly from what she heard and had no relation to Lindsey's case.

more to come

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 03:22:15 PM
Where is Montesano in relation to McCleary?

Thank you.

Janet
Twenty miles , maybe a little less. Montesano is our county seat. It is where the main jail is that houses most of the arrested in our county. Mccleary is ten miles from elma and if you keep going ten more miles is Montesano.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:23:13 PM
Where is Montesano in relation to McCleary?

Thank you.

Janet
Twenty miles , maybe a little less. Montesano is our county seat. It is where the main jail is that houses most of the arrested in our county. Mccleary is ten miles from elma and if you keep going ten more miles is Montesano.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 03:26:21 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 03:39:55 PM
it would help if we knew if the now gone caretaker was old or young...'cause the guy were talking about now is 74...on one hand i could see how he could be the caretaker, but on the other 74 is getting up there in age (but i guess it didn't stop him from doing whatever landed him in jail)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
Hi Monkeys!! I tried to call the orv park just now and it is closed Tues and wed. I left a message with my name and phone number for Mrs. Voss. I will post more when I hear back from her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 03:41:08 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment



 ::MonkeyShocked::

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/JailRegisters/RegisterDetail.asp?SrchBookNo=173193


Yes I does say he is 74.  Probably not a caretaker at the park.  Retired?
     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Hi Monkeys!! I tried to call the orv park just now and it is closed Tues and wed. I left a message with my name and phone number for Mrs. Voss. I will post more when I hear back from her.
great..and thanks! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 21, 2009, 04:05:41 PM
phernetton doesnt sound too smiliar to ending in a "hoff" sound, but if he used his middle name as his real name i could see him making up a fake name, or using a different family name as an alias...phernetton also isnt that common of  a name so i guess i could see how ms. voss would have trouble remember if the "ffff" sound was at the beginning or end of hte name... and "phernetton" def starts with an "ffff" sound... i'm going to check out some stuff on myspace and  the internet see if i can find anything with this last name..  good job madibabe!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 21, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
it would help if we knew if the now gone caretaker was old or young...'cause the guy were talking about now is 74...on one hand i could see how he could be the caretaker, but on the other 74 is getting up there in age (but i guess it didn't stop him from doing whatever landed him in jail)

Don't ever let age alone cause you any doubt.  "Seniors" are just as capable of raping kids:

TEXARKANA, Ark. - Evangelist Tony Alamo told a girl who questioned one of his orders that he was "still in charge" of his religious compound even from a jail cell, according to recorded calls played Tuesday in his sex-crimes trial.

Prosecutors allege that a domineering Alamo took five underage girls across state lines for sex between 1994 and 2005.

Tony Alamo is currently 74 years old, and one of his "alleged" victims was his 9 year old "wife."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32022724/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 04:06:29 PM
No one, including me, has ever said someone should not be investigated in order to be eliminated or not.  My point, which I obviously didn't make clear, is when people state "I would never have let my child/grandchild" or "how could they be so irresponsible" -- I think they are personal attacks and do nothing to further the investigation.  Should everyone be investigated, you betcha.  No one every said otherwise.anyone?
snipped from Northern Rose
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Sister,  I was not responding to you at all, I am not sure how you got that impression.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 04:08:46 PM
it would help if we knew if the now gone caretaker was old or young...'cause the guy were talking about now is 74...on one hand i could see how he could be the caretaker, but on the other 74 is getting up there in age (but i guess it didn't stop him from doing whatever landed him in jail)

Don't ever let age alone cause you any doubt.  "Seniors" are just as capable of raping kids:

TEXARKANA, Ark. - Evangelist Tony Alamo told a girl who questioned one of his orders that he was "still in charge" of his religious compound even from a jail cell, according to recorded calls played Tuesday in his sex-crimes trial.

Prosecutors allege that a domineering Alamo took five underage girls across state lines for sex between 1994 and 2005.

Tony Alamo is currently 74 years old, and one of his "alleged" victims was his 9 year old "wife."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32022724/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Very good point-and this was just all over the news. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 21, 2009, 04:12:28 PM
No one, including me, has ever said someone should not be investigated in order to be eliminated or not.  My point, which I obviously didn't make clear, is when people state "I would never have let my child/grandchild" or "how could they be so irresponsible" -- I think they are personal attacks and do nothing to further the investigation.  Should everyone be investigated, you betcha.  No one every said otherwise.anyone?
snipped from Northern Rose
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Sister,  I was not responding to you at all, I am not sure how you got that impression.

Is this article accurate, or am I reading it wrong?  It says the guy is currently 32 and was convicted in 1989 of first degree child rape, which would make him 12 years old at the time of his conviction.  Maybe they meant to say 1999, which would be an abomination since he would have obviously served a very very very very light sentence for a terribly eggregious crime (being that he was obviously out and able to commit a simliar offense in 2001).




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 21, 2009, 04:18:29 PM
AZSunny, me not talking to you either.  Sorry for the confusion.
 :2doh:
JesseStar, I didn't see that.  Good eye!  I'm not sure.
 :2thinky:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 04:19:17 PM
No one, including me, has ever said someone should not be investigated in order to be eliminated or not.  My point, which I obviously didn't make clear, is when people state "I would never have let my child/grandchild" or "how could they be so irresponsible" -- I think they are personal attacks and do nothing to further the investigation.  Should everyone be investigated, you betcha.  No one every said otherwise.anyone?
snipped from Northern Rose
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Sister,  I was not responding to you at all, I am not sure how you got that impression.

Is this article accurate, or am I reading it wrong?  It says the guy is currently 32 and was convicted in 1989 of first degree child rape, which would make him 12 years old at the time of his conviction.  Maybe they meant to say 1999, which would be an abomination since he would have obviously served a very very very very light sentence for a terribly eggregious crime (being that he was obviously out and able to commit a simliar offense in 2001).




Good catch.  I am also very glad to see you working on this case.  You have very valuable perspectives! Would he have been serving time as an adult if convicted at 12?  They couldn't try as an adult at that age, could they? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 21, 2009, 04:21:35 PM
okay i just found a myspace profile for a phernetton from aberdeen, washington that is 36 years old......

here is the link...mods please delete if i cant post this

http://www.myspace.com/blak_pleague


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: cookie on July 21, 2009, 04:24:44 PM
also, if he was 12 at the time of the crime, would his records even show up since he would be a juvenile at that time?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Madre on July 21, 2009, 04:40:26 PM
im confused as to why kara k is trying to make herself look like she is so involved in the case and went on to talk abut how she joined scared monkeys but stopped posting here when in a previous post here, she said how she was told not to join WS...its just kinda weird to me, and also she must not be as in the loop as she thinks she is when it comes to the funding of the search headquarters because that had already been decided based on the craigs list ad 2 days before seh spoke to the person on websleuths....just a simple observation...i hope im not annoying anyone with my hammering of this subject lol


Cyberswept at WS in another post says that the original headquarters location fell through.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 21, 2009, 04:49:11 PM
No one, including me, has ever said someone should not be investigated in order to be eliminated or not.  My point, which I obviously didn't make clear, is when people state "I would never have let my child/grandchild" or "how could they be so irresponsible" -- I think they are personal attacks and do nothing to further the investigation.  Should everyone be investigated, you betcha.  No one every said otherwise.anyone?
snipped from Northern Rose
MASON COUNTY — Registered sex offender Andrew D. McQuilkin, 32, is now a transient in the Shelton area, according to the Mason County Sheriff's Office.

McQuilkin is under the state Department of Corrections' supervision. Because he is now homeless, he was upgraded from a Level 2 to a Level 3, classified as a high risk to re-offend.

He was convicted in 1989 of first-degree child rape in Mason County and in 2001 for second-degree child assault.



Sister,  I was not responding to you at all, I am not sure how you got that impression.

Is this article accurate, or am I reading it wrong?  It says the guy is currently 32 and was convicted in 1989 of first degree child rape, which would make him 12 years old at the time of his conviction.  Maybe they meant to say 1999, which would be an abomination since he would have obviously served a very very very very light sentence for a terribly eggregious crime (being that he was obviously out and able to commit a simliar offense in 2001).




Good catch.  I am also very glad to see you working on this case.  You have very valuable perspectives! Would he have been serving time as an adult if convicted at 12?  They couldn't try as an adult at that age, could they? 

Thank you for the kind words!  I am perplexed by this case.  However, I'm not buying that this little girl disappeared without a trace.  Based on what I read, Lindsey is "street smart."  What I mean by that is she doesn't fit the profile of the shy, withdrawn, easily manipulable personality that you often see in cases like this.  If a total stranger tried to abduct her, she would have put up a fight.  She would not have simply run somewhere (like behind the Shell station as some were speculating) and hid in the bushes alone.  She knows better than that.  She would have run INTO the Shell station.  So either she went willingly (and therefore quietly) with someone she knew (in which case there would be a "trace" in the form of the circle of people that knew her, and those that knew others that knew her), or someone knows something and they're just not talking for some reason.  The third possibility (or, perhaps, probability) is that law enforcement knows all this and they just aren't saying anything.

Now, don't misunderstand me--I'm by no means suggesting that Lindsey is "wise beyond her years."  That's a total myth--children do not have the capacity of being "wise beyond their years."  If a child is 10, they have the mind of a 10 year old.  A "street smart" 10 year old can be just as easily manipulated by predatory myspace/facebook offenders as "non-street-smart" 10 year olds.  But what I am saying is that Lindsey is a fighter. 

With regard to the 12 year old, it would be very unlikely that he would be charged as an adult for this type of crime.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Madre on July 21, 2009, 04:50:51 PM
Thanks sunshine12  ::MonkeyCool::  What is true and what isn't, this is really frustrating.

yes, something just didnt sit right with me when i read that...i wonder what info about her family was coming out that she didn't want her kids to read...i can totally understand not wanting your whole background exposed on the internet though

another thing, why didnt she say from the beginning that the dogs picked up lindsays scent all over town, i thought the private dogs that were brought in only picked it up on that one street?

i also thought she said herself that there were other people in the house besides her and her kids and husband, i have to go back and read through all the old posts..anyway, i am not trying to point fingers at all and am very grateful that karak did come on here to answer all of our questions, i just believe as most of us do that in the process of elimination everyone needs to be carefully looked at with a fine toothed comb and any contradicting statements need to be examined.. thanks again to cyberswept from WS for that info

Hi Sunshine..I don't think you are offending anyone....  I believe KK was referencing Lindsay's family when she mentioned she didn't want other kids from the community reading what she had to say about them MOO. Also, KK clarified in earlier posts that the other people in her home that night was in fact her boyfriend and all her kids.  Obviously, we can choose to believe her or not.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 05:09:40 PM
That was my first question I was going to ask is how old Allen was. If you can think of any other questions I should ask please post them and I will be happy to ask all at the same time. I was thinking about driving out there since its a ten mile drive. I just want you to know also that I know I am a local and you have opinions of local people on the board getting involved. I do not mind you investigating me or my family. I just hope not too much time will be waisted on this as I think we need to spend much of our energy on little Lindsey. I would even be glad to answer and questions you would have. I am by all means not perfect. Lets just get it out in the open now so there will not be time waisted. All I know I am here to be honest and help find a little girl.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Madre on July 21, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Madre on July 21, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
That was my first question I was going to ask is how old Allen was. If you can think of any other questions I should ask please post them and I will be happy to ask all at the same time. I was thinking about driving out there since its a ten mile drive. I just want you to know also that I know I am a local and you have opinions of local people on the board getting involved. I do not mind you investigating me or my family. I just hope not too much time will be waisted on this as I think we need to spend much of our energy on little Lindsey. I would even be glad to answer and questions you would have. I am by all means not perfect. Lets just get it out in the open now so there will not be time waisted. All I know I am here to be honest and help find a little girl.

Your help is most appreciated!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 05:38:34 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay

I understand that this is a very small police force, and the FBI would be the ones in charge.  From past experience in cases like this that I have encountered, they tend to hold all info very close to the chest.  I thnk that is what we are seeing. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 05:39:30 PM
That was my first question I was going to ask is how old Allen was. If you can think of any other questions I should ask please post them and I will be happy to ask all at the same time. I was thinking about driving out there since its a ten mile drive. I just want you to know also that I know I am a local and you have opinions of local people on the board getting involved. I do not mind you investigating me or my family. I just hope not too much time will be waisted on this as I think we need to spend much of our energy on little Lindsey. I would even be glad to answer and questions you would have. I am by all means not perfect. Lets just get it out in the open now so there will not be time waisted. All I know I am here to be honest and help find a little girl.

I am glad you are here, and we all have the same agenda I believe.  Find Lindsey!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 05:44:50 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay

I understand that this is a very small police force, and the FBI would be the ones in charge.  From past experience in cases like this that I have encountered, they tend to hold all info very close to the chest.  I thnk that is what we are seeing. 

AZSunny

When you consider the silence from the LE in McCleary in comparison with the press releases/conferences as well as document dumps in the Caylee Marie case ... I do believe that a prominent FBI involvement in the case could be where it is at.

I am praying that stuff is taking place behind the scenes in the investigation that will lead to the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 21, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay

I understand that this is a very small police force, and the FBI would be the ones in charge.  From past experience in cases like this that I have encountered, they tend to hold all info very close to the chest.  I thnk that is what we are seeing. 

AZSunny

When you consider the silence from the LE in McCleary in comparison with the press releases/conferences as well as document dumps in the Caylee Marie case ... I do believe that a prominent FBI involvement in the case could be where it is at.

I am praying that stuff is taking place behind the scenes in the investigation that will lead to the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet


ITA  Frustrating to get almost NO info when time is clicking by so fast. 
We have to trust the FBI IMO.  They are pro's at locating missing people, have the profilers and ability to pull any force into the mix if they feel the need.  Didn't we read right after learning about the FBI computer special investigator who came down from Seattle to take charge of the case, that they also had experts there on missing children? 

I liked what was said here that we have to get our info from other than media sources and then either dismiss it or put it in the mix depending on what we learn.


These thoughts almost carry into the update I wanted to give you about a call I made yesterday morning to the manager of the ORV park in McCleary.  She pretty well denied everything I had learned on Sunday, saying there hadn't been a caretaker there since Feb, the caretaker trailer hadn't been occupied in a long time, didn't know about the searches at the park on Sunday, Ben who, Allen who, 'let go' and computer confiscated by LE, what? etc.

She was very business like, and tho I threw out enough to learn that Ben indeed was the last official caretaker and Allen, well there are lots of employees at the park, came away from the convo like a flat pancake!  The only new thing I learned was talking with a young man there who, when I asked him about Allen being let go said, 'you mean Al' . . .  So this person has to exist!

The only thing we can figure is that any info about Lindsey's investigation or that of Allen/'Al', {for which there might be a disciplinary hearing coming up soon - no link but it was pulled from Grays Harbor County info on the web} has suddenly fallen into the category of the proverbial monkey who speaks no evil, lol, and mum will be the word about anything they don't want out in the public eye because the perp is still out there too! 

And since there has been no official caretaker for awhile, possibly Allen had been taking over a lot of the duties the caretaker would have.  IMO   xox



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 06:41:47 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay

I understand that this is a very small police force, and the FBI would be the ones in charge.  From past experience in cases like this that I have encountered, they tend to hold all info very close to the chest.  I thnk that is what we are seeing. 

AZSunny

When you consider the silence from the LE in McCleary in comparison with the press releases/conferences as well as document dumps in the Caylee Marie case ... I do believe that a prominent FBI involvement in the case could be where it is at.

I am praying that stuff is taking place behind the scenes in the investigation that will lead to the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet


ITA  Frustrating to get almost NO info when time is clicking by so fast. 
We have to trust the FBI IMO.  They are pro's at locating missing people, have the profilers and ability to pull any force into the mix if they feel the need.  Didn't we read right after learning about the FBI computer special investigator who came down from Seattle to take charge of the case, that they also had experts there on missing children? 

I liked what was said here that we have to get our info from other than media sources and then either dismiss it or put it in the mix depending on what we learn.


These thoughts almost carry into the update I wanted to give you about a call I made yesterday morning to the manager of the ORV park in McCleary.  She pretty well denied everything I had learned on Sunday, saying there hadn't been a caretaker there since Feb, the caretaker trailer hadn't been occupied in a long time, didn't know about the searches at the park on Sunday, Ben who, Allen who, 'let go' and computer confiscated by LE, what? etc.

She was very business like, and tho I threw out enough to learn that Ben indeed was the last official caretaker and Allen, well there are lots of employees at the park, came away from the convo like a flat pancake!  The only new thing I learned was talking with a young man there who, when I asked him about Allen being let go said, 'you mean Al' . . .  So this person has to exist!

The only thing we can figure is that any info about Lindsey's investigation or that of Allen/'Al', {for which there might be a disciplinary hearing coming up soon - no link but it was pulled from Grays Harbor County info on the web} has suddenly fallen into the category of the proverbial monkey who speaks no evil, lol, and mum will be the word about anything they don't want out in the public eye because the perp is still out there too! 

And since there has been no official caretaker for awhile, possibly Allen had been taking over a lot of the duties the caretaker would have.  IMO   xox


thank you ..is it a trailer park or an rv park?  maybe le told her not to talk?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 06:50:37 PM
ok yall want other media i'll give it to you....... ::MonkeyTongue::
i just went to an astrology site where they did Lindsey's chart and what the said was she was taken by a local who was on a mission to abduct a child and found Lindsey, she was not threatend at the time and was taken to either a trailer house or an rv...there was someone that she knew at the house and that person was uncomfortable with the situtation...they believe that lindsey could still be alive and held against her will....give me a min and i get the link


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 06:53:06 PM
forensicastrology.blogspot.com/2009/07/lindsey-baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 21, 2009, 06:55:42 PM
I am just lost at what we should be discussing, I'm even beginning to wonder if Lindsey made it home and something happened there, that could be a possibility. Something is just off, and I can't pin point it.
:2thinky: :smt102 :2brickwall:
i know.... ::MonkeyConfused::

I do think we should be listening to, and discussing information/rumors/confirmed LE details, and not rely soley on newspaoer reports.  The papers are only giving you what they have confirmed through LE and we know that is limited.  To find any additional sleuthing, we need to listen to all that are willing to give us information.  it is then up to us to confirm, this information.  Just my opinion. 

ITA...Since there is very little investigative reporting going on in Lindsay's case...that's all we have to go on other than RSO's, etc.  It appears that WS has quite a few locals who are providing  heresay accounts which allow for WSers to confirm or otherwise.  I believe Sister's point was quite bluntly, let's move forward and try to flush out any other "leads" as well as KK and/or her family or Lindsay's brother for the following reason.....We all know that the last pp. to be with the victim have to be investigated thoroughly as well as the family (including brother).  I feel sure the FBI has or is continuing to do so, MOO that is a given.  Therefore, until additional info is forthcoming about KK and family or brother's possible involvement, let's see what else we can come up with.  I for one don't understand why I haven't heard anything about anyone trying to organize volunteer searches, for instance.  Am I wrong about this?  Also, can locals or others try to put pressure on the local or regional media to do more investigative journalism?  Do any reporters in the area have or can develop any sources within the police dept.?!?  (without compromising the investigation, of course.)  Maybe I am dense, but why can't LE confirm where and when the dogs have tracked Lindsay, if at all?  I don't see how that would compromise their efforts.

Prayers for Lindsay

I understand that this is a very small police force, and the FBI would be the ones in charge.  From past experience in cases like this that I have encountered, they tend to hold all info very close to the chest.  I thnk that is what we are seeing. 

AZSunny

When you consider the silence from the LE in McCleary in comparison with the press releases/conferences as well as document dumps in the Caylee Marie case ... I do believe that a prominent FBI involvement in the case could be where it is at.

I am praying that stuff is taking place behind the scenes in the investigation that will lead to the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet


ITA  Frustrating to get almost NO info when time is clicking by so fast. 
We have to trust the FBI IMO.  They are pro's at locating missing people, have the profilers and ability to pull any force into the mix if they feel the need.  Didn't we read right after learning about the FBI computer special investigator who came down from Seattle to take charge of the case, that they also had experts there on missing children? 

I liked what was said here that we have to get our info from other than media sources and then either dismiss it or put it in the mix depending on what we learn.


These thoughts almost carry into the update I wanted to give you about a call I made yesterday morning to the manager of the ORV park in McCleary.  She pretty well denied everything I had learned on Sunday, saying there hadn't been a caretaker there since Feb, the caretaker trailer hadn't been occupied in a long time, didn't know about the searches at the park on Sunday, Ben who, Allen who, 'let go' and computer confiscated by LE, what? etc.

She was very business like, and tho I threw out enough to learn that Ben indeed was the last official caretaker and Allen, well there are lots of employees at the park, came away from the convo like a flat pancake!  The only new thing I learned was talking with a young man there who, when I asked him about Allen being let go said, 'you mean Al' . . .  So this person has to exist!

The only thing we can figure is that any info about Lindsey's investigation or that of Allen/'Al', {for which there might be a disciplinary hearing coming up soon - no link but it was pulled from Grays Harbor County info on the web} has suddenly fallen into the category of the proverbial monkey who speaks no evil, lol, and mum will be the word about anything they don't want out in the public eye because the perp is still out there too! 

And since there has been no official caretaker for awhile, possibly Allen had been taking over a lot of the duties the caretaker would have.  IMO   xox


thank you ..is it a trailer park or an rv park?  maybe le told her not to talk?
.

Hi Mamacrazy,  We had learned there was an on site caretakers home at the ORV park.  Turns out this home is a mobile home or as she called it a trailer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 06:57:47 PM
they need to search every one of them asap


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 21, 2009, 07:35:30 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss


I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553

What am I not getting?

Other than the name Allen ... what makes Monkeys believe this may be the same person.

1.  The registry implies the last name is ALLEN.

2.  The current caretaker implies the first name is ALLEN.

3.  There does not seem to be a connection with the other names.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 07:35:45 PM
they need to search every one of them asap

Mama,  it is not a trailer park. It is an ORV park, and off road vechicle park.  The care taker just happen to have accomodations in trailer at the park. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 07:36:01 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Kat_Gram on July 21, 2009, 07:40:30 PM
I was thinking of Tori Stafford's case.
The two people who were arrested and charged didn't come up on the OPP or Woodstock's radar screen's. Their neighbours became suspicious but nothing happened until Terri was arrested on a parole violation and she apparently got mad at her BF and ratted him out. Now he is in jail too.
..
In the Jessica Lunsford case, they didn't even have a hot clue that John E Couey was in the 'hood until they started looking further afield at RSO's and SO's to determine their whereabouts. When they tracked Couey, they found out that he had been living kitty corner at a relatives.
..
Both of these families were " suspects " on the boards and in the media.
My point is : There are probably plenty of persons in McCleary and surrounding area who would be capable of this and the LE and the FBI need to check them out.  The body recovery of Tori Stafford was a result of an OPP who was on the job 24/7 in his mind and put a few things together when he saw a pile of rocks. Sometimes when these things unfold and the perps are a big surprise to all.     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 07:42:59 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss


I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553

What am I not getting?

Other than the name Allen ... what makes Monkeys believe this may be the same person.

1.  The registry implies the last name is ALLEN.

2.  The current caretaker implies the first name is ALLEN.

3.  There does not seem to be a connection with the other names.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

we all just want Lindsey home..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 07:46:59 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.
you should check out the astrology site...they say the other person in the 'house'  (my post above) was probably another child or a woman ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 07:48:16 PM
they need to search every one of them asap

Mama,  it is not a trailer park. It is an ORV park, and off road vechicle park.  The care taker just happen to have accomodations in trailer at the park. 
thank you ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 07:53:39 PM
I was thinking of Tori Stafford's case.
The two people who were arrested and charged didn't come up on the OPP or Woodstock's radar screen's. Their neighbours became suspicious but nothing happened until Terri was arrested on a parole violation and she apparently got mad at her BF and ratted him out. Now he is in jail too.
..
In the Jessica Lunsford case, they didn't even have a hot clue that John E Couey was in the 'hood until they started looking further afield at RSO's and SO's to determine their whereabouts. When they tracked Couey, they found out that he had been living kitty corner at a relatives.
..
Both of these families were " suspects " on the boards and in the media.
My point is : There are probably plenty of persons in McCleary and surrounding area who would be capable of this and the LE and the FBI need to check them out.  The body recovery of Tori Stafford was a result of an OPP who was on the job 24/7 in his mind and put a few things together when he saw a pile of rocks. Sometimes when these things unfold and the perps are a big surprise to all.     
very true and i agree


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 08:07:14 PM
Scandi wrote:
Quote
ITA  Frustrating to get almost NO info when time is clicking by so fast.
We have to trust the FBI IMO.  They are pro's at locating missing people, have the profilers and ability to pull any force into the mix if they feel the need.  Didn't we read right after learning about the FBI computer special investigator who came down from Seattle to take charge of the case, that they also had experts there on missing children?

I liked what was said here that we have to get our info from other than media sources and then either dismiss it or put it in the mix depending on what we learn.


These thoughts almost carry into the update I wanted to give you about a call I made yesterday morning to the manager of the ORV park in McCleary.  She pretty well denied everything I had learned on Sunday, saying there hadn't been a caretaker there since Feb, the caretaker trailer hadn't been occupied in a long time, didn't know about the searches at the park on Sunday, Ben who, Allen who, 'let go' and computer confiscated by LE, what? etc.

She was very business like, and tho I threw out enough to learn that Ben indeed was the last official caretaker and Allen, well there are lots of employees at the park, came away from the convo like a flat pancake!  The only new thing I learned was talking with a young man there who, when I asked him about Allen being let go said, 'you mean Al' . . .  So this person has to exist!

The only thing we can figure is that any info about Lindsey's investigation or that of Allen/'Al', {for which there might be a disciplinary hearing coming up soon - no link but it was pulled from Grays Harbor County info on the web} has suddenly fallen into the category of the proverbial monkey who speaks no evil, lol, and mum will be the word about anything they don't want out in the public eye because the perp is still out there too!

And since there has been no official caretaker for awhile, possibly Allen had been taking over a lot of the duties the caretaker would have.  IMO   xox

Hi Scandi
I was hoping to see you post here.
There is a local at WS who says Fonda Voss is a good friend of hers,I was wondering why no one there asked this local to talk to Fonda about this caretaker that got fired?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 08:10:28 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.
you should check out the astrology site...they say the other person in the 'house'  (my post above) was probably another child or a woman ::MonkeyEek::
Hi MamaC
I am having a hard enough time just keeping up with my reading on here and other sites and I don't really have too much belief in too much in depth astrology.Thank you though as you never know what will help right?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 08:13:48 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.
you should check out the astrology site...they say the other person in the 'house'  (my post above) was probably another child or a woman ::MonkeyEek::
Hi MamaC
I am having a hard enough time just keeping up with my reading on here and other sites and I don't really have too much belief in too much in depth astrology.Thank you though as you never know what will help right?
lol those were my thoughts as well (but i do dig the astrology stuff)....i know i'm reaching for what ever tid-bit of info i can get...heck, i spent most of my day reading readers comments in articles written about Lindsey..... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 08:18:18 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.
you should check out the astrology site...they say the other person in the 'house'  (my post above) was probably another child or a woman ::MonkeyEek::
Hi MamaC
I am having a hard enough time just keeping up with my reading on here and other sites and I don't really have too much belief in too much in depth astrology.Thank you though as you never know what will help right?
lol those were my thoughts as well (but i do dig the astrology stuff)....i know i'm reaching for what ever tid-bit of info i can get...heck, i spent most of my day reading readers comments in articles written about Lindsey..... ::MonkeyConfused::
I hear you.I spent most of my day hopping off and on my puter and reading about 4 different web blogs/forums about Caylee and Lindsey and Tori.
I'm hoping they find little Lindsey soon.  :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 08:25:20 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss

I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553
I don't think it's the right guy.This caretaker was supposed to have a child same age as Lindsey and this guy above is 74 years old...I dunno.The name is definitely not a match,only name that matches is Allen.
you should check out the astrology site...they say the other person in the 'house'  (my post above) was probably another child or a woman ::MonkeyEek::
Hi MamaC
I am having a hard enough time just keeping up with my reading on here and other sites and I don't really have too much belief in too much in depth astrology.Thank you though as you never know what will help right?
lol those were my thoughts as well (but i do dig the astrology stuff)....i know i'm reaching for what ever tid-bit of info i can get...heck, i spent most of my day reading readers comments in articles written about Lindsey..... ::MonkeyConfused::
I hear you.I spent most of my day hopping off and on my puter and reading about 4 different web blogs/forums about Caylee and Lindsey and Tori.
I'm hoping they find little Lindsey soon.  :(
we all do...this is one of the few cases that i can't get a feeling on..most of the time i can pick it apart pretty quickly, but not this time.....this time its like a race against the clock on if lindsey is found, dead or alive..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 08:30:44 PM
Karma wrote:
Quote
I hear you.I spent most of my day hopping off and on my puter and reading about 4 different web blogs/forums about Caylee and Lindsey and Tori.
MamaC wrote:
Quote
I'm hoping they find little Lindsey soon.  Sad
we all do...this is one of the few cases that i can't get a feeling on..most of the time i can pick it apart pretty quickly, but not this time.....this time its like a race against the clock on if lindsey is found, dead or alive..
Sorry,had to cut down that huge quote stack :)
I feel the time rushing past too MamaC.I too am wondering why there haven't been any organized locals searching......nothing in the News....just feels like Lindsey may never be found.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 08:33:07 PM
OT~Also Scandi,if you are still here.....I'm not a member of WS but I read there a lot.Can you tell me how many pages to a thread?I always seem to get lost as the threads sometimes stop at 20-22-24-and now 33 so far on Lindsey's thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 21, 2009, 08:39:13 PM
Karma wrote:
Quote
I hear you.I spent most of my day hopping off and on my puter and reading about 4 different web blogs/forums about Caylee and Lindsey and Tori.
MamaC wrote:
Quote
I'm hoping they find little Lindsey soon.  Sad
we all do...this is one of the few cases that i can't get a feeling on..most of the time i can pick it apart pretty quickly, but not this time.....this time its like a race against the clock on if lindsey is found, dead or alive..
Sorry,had to cut down that huge quote stack :)
I feel the time rushing past too MamaC.I too am wondering why there haven't been any organized locals searching......nothing in the News....just feels like Lindsey may never be found.

well from what comments i read there are people giving their time to search...thats where the whole donation jar/account poo-poo was coming from...but that was a reader comment as well so who knows???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 09:08:09 PM
I stole(borrowed) this from WS poster BoonDock:


http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86607&page=33

A candlelight vigil for Lindsey and other news.......

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1969322/lighting_the_way_for_missing_11_year.html?cat=9






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 21, 2009, 09:15:59 PM
i also dont really think this allen person had anything to do with this...there are too many differences.  i personally thinkt he person that did this is a local that lindsey knew that hasnt been mentioned yet...whoever that is i dont know b/c i am not from the area, but i think it might be a person that locals and/or friends/family would least expect...i also think this person could be a first time offender and might not have a criminal record that would point in their direction...jmho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 21, 2009, 09:19:09 PM
Hi Scandi
I was hoping to see you post here.
There is a local at WS who says Fonda Voss is a good friend of hers,I was wondering why no one there asked this local to talk to Fonda about this caretaker that got fired?

All I know is that she said her friend is a real genuine person.  No one wants her to get in trouble for saying anything over the phone so I think we'll just have to wait and see.

Don't you wish we knew the correct person to concentrate on in the case.  LOL  Heck, it could be the guy with several DUI's who has never abducted a child before.  Too much alcohol dims the brain, and I could easily a 'beginner' perv having taken Lindsey.  There's a first time for every SO, right?  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 21, 2009, 09:22:41 PM
i also dont really think this allen person had anything to do with this...there are too many differences.  i personally thinkt he person that did this is a local that lindsey knew that hasnt been mentioned yet...whoever that is i dont know b/c i am not from the area, but i think it might be a person that locals and/or friends/family would least expect...i also think this person could be a first time offender and might not have a criminal record that would point in their direction...jmho

NIX Sunshine ;}  I think that is very possible.

PS:  I don't see any way to edit typos  ::MonkeyShocked::   OK, now I see Spell Check.  Cool


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 21, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
Hi Scandi
I was hoping to see you post here.
There is a local at WS who says Fonda Voss is a good friend of hers,I was wondering why no one there asked this local to talk to Fonda about this caretaker that got fired?

All I know is that she said her friend is a real genuine person.  No one wants her to get in trouble for saying anything over the phone so I think we'll just have to wait and see.

Don't you wish we knew the correct person to concentrate on in the case.  LOL  Heck, it could be the guy with several DUI's who has never abducted a child before.  Too much alcohol dims the brain, and I could easily a 'beginner' perv having taken Lindsey.  There's a first time for every SO, right?  xox
Yep,bunch of freaky sickos running around everywhere it seems.Thanks for answering :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 09:39:45 PM
did u read my posts about the helicopter and plane yesterday? I
 have also added airial maps of our areas to my photobucket. Inncluding thge rest area.
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/elma%20Mccleary/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 09:47:16 PM
sorry for throwing you off. I just saw the allen and so and wanted to post it asap. didnt realize the guys age :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 09:49:06 PM
sorry for throwing you off. I just saw the allen and so and wanted to post it asap. didnt realize the guys age :)
i would also join in in a locals searchg if I knew where to start. If I knew where they had already searched and not it would be good so I could go to the places noone has looked. does anyone know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 21, 2009, 10:04:41 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tracygirl on July 21, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
Well it seems that we still do not know where this child is, I was hoping to get to the end of the thread and read she had been found and is safe and sound. she will be found....

BTW, where is DD? I was so sad to read they found Tori's body...Call me an idiot but I was holding out hope against hope they would find her alive. There is always hope until a body is found...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 11:44:45 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

There is a Jennifer at WS that thinks you are coming up with misinformation....FYI. 


She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.
__________________
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86822



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 21, 2009, 11:45:50 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

There is a Jennifer at WS that thinks you are coming up with misinformation....FYI. 


She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.
__________________
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86822



Sorry forgot to quote her part


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 22, 2009, 01:09:10 AM
Lindsey Baum, 11, has been missing since June 26, when she disappeared while walking home at night from a friend’s house in McCleary, Wash.

Authorities are now offering a $6,000 reward in the hope that it will help bring Lindsey home.

Two people saw the girl on the 10-minute walk home, but investigators still have no evidence of hows she disappeared.

The family has created two Web sites, Lindsey Baum and Help Find Lindsey Baum, in an effort to gather any information about what happened to Lindsey.

Lindsey has brown hair and brown eyes, is 4’9” tall, 80 lbs., and was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

If you have information regarding Lindsey, call the Grays Harbor Sheriff Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an email to soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d21-Reward-offered-in-disappearance-of-11yearold-Lindsey-Baum



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 01:16:58 AM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in McClure at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

There is a Jennifer at WS that thinks you are coming up with misinformation....FYI. 


She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.
__________________
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86822



Sorry forgot to quote her part
OK First of all I am mistaken about the fair grounds pic. I posted the wrong pic. But to Jennifer or who ever you are I am sorry I give you the creeps. If you would have told me I was mistaken about the pic I uploaded I would have looked and saw I was incorrect and agreed with you. As for the creeps I can not help you with that. I am here to try and help. I am not here to creep people out. I am not here to start the drama u r trying to start up. I am not mistaken about the info i gave about a guy named Mark! He is a contractor , he is a drunk He did build a bunch of the new homes in mccleary near Larson and he did have a gf he lived with not far from there. . i am not sure he is the same Mark that was posted about before. I was just bringing every bit of info i thought might fit in some blanks no matter how small the details might be. As I was told.  might help. Someone might be able to use the info. heck I don't know!!! I'm not a professional investigator. I'm a mother of 4 been married 21 years who thought she could help out. Please just tell me u think i am wrong. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong at all in fact i think communication is the key to solving problems. So by all means think I am creepy all u want , but please focus on the thing we are here for. To bring a child home. Have a wonderful day


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 22, 2009, 03:17:16 AM
OT~Also Scandi,if you are still here.....I'm not a member of WS but I read there a lot.Can you tell me how many pages to a thread?I always seem to get lost as the threads sometimes stop at 20-22-24-and now 33 so far on Lindsey's thread.


Hi Karma,  It got to 35 pp before you know it like sometimes happens.  I think 25 is a normal stopping point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 08:57:11 AM
did u read my posts about the helicopter and plane yesterday? I
 have also added airial maps of our areas to my photobucket. Inncluding thge rest area.
http://s188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/elma%20Mccleary/
Thank you for the images MadiBabe
The forests looks so vast and looks like someone could hide a person or body almost anywhere! :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 09:00:09 AM
sorry for throwing you off. I just saw the allen and so and wanted to post it asap. didnt realize the guys age :)
i would also join in in a locals searchg if I knew where to start. If I knew where they had already searched and not it would be good so I could go to the places noone has looked. does anyone know?
It's probably not a good idea to go searching unless you are with a search group.Maybe get a hold of Kara as she seems to be trying to set up organized searches.Also if Wayne Watne is heading any searches.....don't go.    ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning Monkeys


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 09:06:05 AM
Lindsey Baum, 11, has been missing since June 26, when she disappeared while walking home at night from a friend’s house in McCleary, Wash.

Authorities are now offering a $6,000 reward in the hope that it will help bring Lindsey home.

Two people saw the girl on the 10-minute walk home, but investigators still have no evidence of hows she disappeared.

The family has created two Web sites, Lindsey Baum and Help Find Lindsey Baum, in an effort to gather any information about what happened to Lindsey.

Lindsey has brown hair and brown eyes, is 4’9” tall, 80 lbs., and was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

If you have information regarding Lindsey, call the Grays Harbor Sheriff Office at 1-866-915-8299 or send an email to soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d21-Reward-offered-in-disappearance-of-11yearold-Lindsey-Baum


Thanks Pink
That is great news about a reward being set up.....maybe that will jog some memories,tips,info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 09:10:35 AM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in McClure at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

There is a Jennifer at WS that thinks you are coming up with misinformation....FYI. 


She posted the second picture saying it was the Elma Fairgrounds (not sure why she didn't really explain). The first picture is of the fairgrounds. Her picture is of the high school here in Montesano.

I don't know how she got them mixed up.

She also talks about some man and something that happened with her. If I'm correct.. she has the wrong name. Yet she's trying to make it sound like he is Mark (the drunk the JVK ran into). Saying he is connected to Larson Road and everything.

She's giving me the creeps for some reason. I don't understand why she is giving out false info.
__________________
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86822



Sorry forgot to quote her part
OK First of all I am mistaken about the fair grounds pic. I posted the wrong pic. But to Jennifer or who ever you are I am sorry I give you the creeps. If you would have told me I was mistaken about the pic I uploaded I would have looked and saw I was incorrect and agreed with you. As for the creeps I can not help you with that. I am here to try and help. I am not here to creep people out. I am not here to start the drama u r trying to start up. I am not mistaken about the info i gave about a guy named Mark! He is a contractor , he is a drunk He did build a bunch of the new homes in mccleary near Larson and he did have a gf he lived with not far from there. . i am not sure he is the same Mark that was posted about before. I was just bringing every bit of info i thought might fit in some blanks no matter how small the details might be. As I was told.  might help. Someone might be able to use the info. heck I don't know!!! I'm not a professional investigator. I'm a mother of 4 been married 21 years who thought she could help out. Please just tell me u think i am wrong. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong at all in fact i think communication is the key to solving problems. So by all means think I am creepy all u want , but please focus on the thing we are here for. To bring a child home. Have a wonderful day
Don't worry about it MadiBabe,we like having you here and realize that no one is perfect,everyone makes mistakes.I for one do appreciate any info you can put out and any pictures of the area.The most important thing is finding Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 09:13:24 AM
OT~Also Scandi,if you are still here.....I'm not a member of WS but I read there a lot.Can you tell me how many pages to a thread?I always seem to get lost as the threads sometimes stop at 20-22-24-and now 33 so far on Lindsey's thread.


Hi Karma,  It got to 35 pp before you know it like sometimes happens.  I think 25 is a normal stopping point.
And anyone can start a new discussion thread.....lol...I guess I'm just used to SM's.Our threads seem to either go to 50 or 100(except for the thread for our JSM which was at 300 and something lol)
Thanks for answering Scandi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 22, 2009, 09:36:08 AM
madibabe- your efforts are very much appreciated, don't worry about someone else nit picking at you from another board.  you have gone above and beyond to help in the search for lindsey and everyone appreciates it.

im wondering why the family hasn't contacted texas eqqusearch?

i can only hope and pray that whoever is responsible for abducting lindsey slips up sometime soon or someone who has noticed something suspicious about this person comes forward...maybe the reward will help that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 22, 2009, 09:45:21 AM
madibabe- your efforts are very much appreciated, don't worry about someone else nit picking at you from another board.  you have gone above and beyond to help in the search for lindsey and everyone appreciates it.

im wondering why the family hasn't contacted texas eqqusearch?

i can only hope and pray that whoever is responsible for abducting lindsey slips up sometime soon or someone who has noticed something suspicious about this person comes forward...maybe the reward will help that
I agree, don't get upset with that person, over yonder they get a little excited, for lack of a better word, just keep posting, we appreciate your input  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
That is good news about the reward.  My only question is what took them so damn long.  Groups offer rewards more quickly when animals go missing.  Were talking about a child here. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 10:03:44 AM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 10:12:05 AM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss


I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553

What am I not getting?

Other than the name Allen ... what makes Monkeys believe this may be the same person.

1.  The registry implies the last name is ALLEN.

2.  The current caretaker implies the first name is ALLEN.

3.  There does not seem to be a connection with the other names.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

we all just want Lindsey home..

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I sincerely felt felt there was something I was not comprehending and wanted to be informed.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 10:48:57 AM
madibabe- your efforts are very much appreciated, don't worry about someone else nit picking at you from another board.  you have gone above and beyond to help in the search for lindsey and everyone appreciates it.

im wondering why the family hasn't contacted texas eqqusearch?

i can only hope and pray that whoever is responsible for abducting lindsey slips up sometime soon or someone who has noticed something suspicious about this person comes forward...maybe the reward will help that
Hi SunShine
Kara at one time posted here asking for TexasEquuasearch's info but I never heard anything else about that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 10:55:45 AM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 11:23:24 AM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(

I get physically sick to my stomach when I read things like this.  It really knocks me off my feet, and proves to me that while I've been practicing law for many, many years, it's never safe to think that I've seen it all and that it can't get much worse.  The degree of sickness and depravity out there is just startling.  It's amazing how these perverts are able to keep their actions secret for so long. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 11:58:32 AM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(

I get physically sick to my stomach when I read things like this.  It really knocks me off my feet, and proves to me that while I've been practicing law for many, many years, it's never safe to think that I've seen it all and that it can't get much worse.  The degree of sickness and depravity out there is just startling.  It's amazing how these perverts are able to keep their actions secret for so long. 



I agree Jess and what's even worse is when the Courts just keep letting them out over and over again because they don't know what the heck to do with them.They cannot be rehabilitated so maybe they need to expand the prisons and throw them all in there for the rest of their lives and let them go all pervert on eachother.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 12:48:54 PM
can someone please give me the email address to McCleary police det's in charge or someone.  PLEASE!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 12:50:39 PM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(

I get physically sick to my stomach when I read things like this.  It really knocks me off my feet, and proves to me that while I've been practicing law for many, many years, it's never safe to think that I've seen it all and that it can't get much worse.  The degree of sickness and depravity out there is just startling.  It's amazing how these perverts are able to keep their actions secret for so long. 



I don't think I have ever read anything that made me feel so disgusted in my life. It felt like I was reading a plot to a  sick movie. I wander if that guy has been to grays harbor? To be honest the article kinda took the wind out of me, wasn't expecting the whole doll thing and the actual articles of clothing. Wow thank you for bringing this to our attention. You know what gets me is I have heard nothing of this guy on the news in our state till now. Maybe I was watching the wrong channel


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 22, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
can someone please give me the email address to McCleary police det's in charge or someone.  PLEASE!!!
McCleary Police (360) 495-3107
or EMAIL: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us
http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
can someone please give me the email address to McCleary police det's in charge or someone.  PLEASE!!!
McCleary Police (360) 495-3107
or EMAIL: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us
http://www.lindseybaum.com/

Thank you!!!!


jessstar if you are around

can you get addresses on
ADAM LEE CAMPBELL
dob abt 1978  age 31
residence yakima WA



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 01:15:07 PM
Give me a few minutes DD


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 01:23:19 PM
The following information was obtained from public records:

CAMPBELL, ADAM L
(DOB: 02/1978)
(Age: 31)

7104 314TH ST S
ROY, WA 98580-9712
PIERCE COUNTY
(03/2008-Current)   

708 W HOME AVE APT 4
SELAH, WA 98942-1007
YAKIMA COUNTY
(01/2009-01/2009)   

PO BOX 1563
YAKIMA, WA 98907-1563
YAKIMA COUNTY
(08/2005-04/2008)   

PO BOX 1209
YAKIMA, WA 98907-1209
YAKIMA COUNTY
(01/2008-01/2008)   

605 N 3RD ST APT 1
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2227
YAKIMA COUNTY
(07/2004-10/2005)   

807 S 14TH ST
YAKIMA, WA 98901-3345
YAKIMA COUNTY
(09/2002-06/2005)   

108 S 7TH AVE APT 3
YAKIMA, WA 98902-3374
YAKIMA COUNTY
(07/2002-09/2002)   

124 N 5TH AVE
PASCO, WA 99301-5512
FRANKLIN COUNTY
(04/2002-04/2002)
Social Services Facility   

505 EUCLID ST # 2
GRANDVIEW, WA 98930-1522
YAKIMA COUNTY
(12/2001-04/2002)   

720 N 15TH AVE APT 209
YAKIMA, WA 98902-1964
YAKIMA COUNTY
(10/2001-12/2001)   

211 S NACHES AVE APT 209
YAKIMA, WA 98901-4720
YAKIMA COUNTY
(07/2000-07/2000)   

109 E PHILLIPS RD BLDG E
LIND, WA 99341-9755
ADAMS COUNTY
(03/2000-03/2000)
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 01:31:21 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 01:33:43 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 01:41:55 PM
can someone please give me the email address to McCleary police det's in charge or someone.  PLEASE!!!
360-495-3107 or Dial 911


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(

I get physically sick to my stomach when I read things like this.  It really knocks me off my feet, and proves to me that while I've been practicing law for many, many years, it's never safe to think that I've seen it all and that it can't get much worse.  The degree of sickness and depravity out there is just startling.  It's amazing how these perverts are able to keep their actions secret for so long. 



I don't think I have ever read anything that made me feel so disgusted in my life. It felt like I was reading a plot to a  sick movie. I wander if that guy has been to grays harbor? To be honest the article kinda took the wind out of me, wasn't expecting the whole doll thing and the actual articles of clothing. Wow thank you for bringing this to our attention. You know what gets me is I have heard nothing of this guy on the news in our state till now. Maybe I was watching the wrong channel

KIRO and KOMO NEWS both had a report on this morning's new.  I googled (sounds obscene LOL) the name and a couple of key words and ... the rest is history.

A report about this monster and his despicable crimes against children still does not appear on either the FOX CHANNEL or CNN main websites.

http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.cnn.com/

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
10:50 AM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 01:50:48 PM
According to KOMO News this morning ... Jeffrey Smiley was turned in by his own mother for molesting his little sisters last year and ... the judge released him on his own recognizance.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Despicable!  The system is failing to protect our children!

Janet

+++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Good morning Janet
I was reading about this last night and I wondered why the FBI waited 2 more days to do a more thorough search of the area.Look at all they found from that after 2 day search.I hope they find all of this pervert's victims.  :(

I get physically sick to my stomach when I read things like this.  It really knocks me off my feet, and proves to me that while I've been practicing law for many, many years, it's never safe to think that I've seen it all and that it can't get much worse.  The degree of sickness and depravity out there is just startling.  It's amazing how these perverts are able to keep their actions secret for so long. 



I don't think I have ever read anything that made me feel so disgusted in my life. It felt like I was reading a plot to a  sick movie. I wander if that guy has been to grays harbor? To be honest the article kinda took the wind out of me, wasn't expecting the whole doll thing and the actual articles of clothing. Wow thank you for bringing this to our attention. You know what gets me is I have heard nothing of this guy on the news in our state till now. Maybe I was watching the wrong channel

KIRO and KOMO NEWS both had a report on this morning's new.  I googled (sounds obscene LOL) the name and a couple of key words and ... the rest is history.

A report about this monster and his despicable crimes against children still does not appear on either the FOX CHANNEL or CNN main websites.

http://www.foxnews.com/
http://www.cnn.com/

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet
10:50 AM PT


Wow makes me ill to think that there are people like this. Its a sick world we live in. They should have never let him our after the mother turned him in.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 01:53:59 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 01:55:18 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 

Name: CAMPBELL, ADAM
Address: 502 N 6TH ST APT 2
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2455
YAKIMA COUNTY

Public records show active dates of 1/06 to 1/07.  But that information is sometimes inaccurate.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 01:58:49 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 

Name: CAMPBELL, ADAM
Address: 502 N 6TH ST APT 2
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2455
YAKIMA COUNTY

Public records show active dates of 1/06 to 1/07.  But that information is sometimes inaccurate.


well you get the number on the street thanks, that is what I was looking for. I can go from there. 
you are a great help, more than you know ...  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 02:04:36 PM

Wow makes me ill to think that there are people like this. Its a sick world we live in. They should have never let him our after the mother turned him in.

I agree.  Will we ever know of all the crimes against children that this monster has committed in the past year since a judge in his/her wisdom granted him freedom. I believe it is nothing short of a miracle that he did not resort to murdering his victims to keep them quiet.

Hey ... maybe he has.

  ::MonkeyShocked::

Somehow judges do not get it!  They do comprehend the dynamics encompassing those with a child sexual orientation and ... the outcome is that precious children are at risk ... precious children who have no way to defend themselves against this evil.

I am sooo angry.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 22, 2009, 02:22:38 PM
DD and Jess - if you don't get contact with anyone in McLeary PD let me know.  I have a direct contact person I could send info to.

smklaas@hotmail.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 02:37:55 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 03:07:18 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet


Do you want just address information?  Or criminal information?  Because criminal will take a little more time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 03:08:37 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 

Name: CAMPBELL, ADAM
Address: 502 N 6TH ST APT 2
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2455
YAKIMA COUNTY

Public records show active dates of 1/06 to 1/07.  But that information is sometimes inaccurate.


well you get the number on the street thanks, that is what I was looking for. I can go from there. 
you are a great help, more than you know ...  ::MonkeyWink::

FYI, there are many Campbells located in Yakima, and many on N 6th St.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 03:09:16 PM
Forgot to add the link.

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 03:17:16 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 

Name: CAMPBELL, ADAM
Address: 502 N 6TH ST APT 2
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2455
YAKIMA COUNTY

Public records show active dates of 1/06 to 1/07.  But that information is sometimes inaccurate.


well you get the number on the street thanks, that is what I was looking for. I can go from there. 
you are a great help, more than you know ...  ::MonkeyWink::

FYI, there are many Campbells located in Yakima, and many on N 6th St.


any with odd first names?  or any odd last names with them?  trying to narrow down the campbell connections, you know what I mean.  like hortense or gertrude or poindexter LOL  not bill, tom or mary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 03:19:41 PM
DD and Jess - if you don't get contact with anyone in McLeary PD let me know.  I have a direct contact person I could send info to.

smklaas@hotmail.com

I'll email you.  give me a little bit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 03:22:17 PM
thank you very much jessstar, your data base always has different ones than I pull up, so I like to check

this is the one he is registered under

1000 block of N 6TH AVE SP A City
YAKIMA

interesting doesn't show that one on your list.  wonder if he is on the run? 

thanks again.  really helps. 

Name: CAMPBELL, ADAM
Address: 502 N 6TH ST APT 2
YAKIMA, WA 98901-2455
YAKIMA COUNTY

Public records show active dates of 1/06 to 1/07.  But that information is sometimes inaccurate.


well you get the number on the street thanks, that is what I was looking for. I can go from there. 
you are a great help, more than you know ...  ::MonkeyWink::

FYI, there are many Campbells located in Yakima, and many on N 6th St.


any with odd first names?  or any odd last names with them?  trying to narrow down the campbell connections, you know what I mean.  like hortense or gertrude or poindexter LOL  not bill, tom or mary.

Vernon Stanley
Justin
Miki
W E
Samuel
Stefani
Margie
Murray
Deann Lynn
Glenn James
Bobby Joe
Deborah




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 03:23:28 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet


Do you want just address information?  Or criminal information?  Because criminal will take a little more time.

Jess

It is a criminal history that I suspect will reveal that Smiley has a past as a sex offender that was not revealed in the article.  Whatever you can come up with would be appreciated.  I do not have a clue where to begin to research a criminal history.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 03:28:48 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991



Thanks madibabe.

It is unbelieveable that anybody with this type of history with LE is walking the streets.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is there anyway of determining the offences?  Are any of the offences related to sexual advances towards children?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 03:43:04 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet


Do you want just address information?  Or criminal information?  Because criminal will take a little more time.

Jess

It is a criminal history that I suspect will reveal that Smiley has a past as a sex offender that was not revealed in the article.  Whatever you can come up with would be appreciated.  I do not have a clue where to begin to research a criminal history.

Thanks

Janet


I'll see what I can find.  In the meantime, I read this guy's criminal complaint.  He's a real sicko.  He apparently had a bunch of home made dolls made up to look like children, and had his way with them.  They also found a lot of child erotica and child porn images, including images of the 7 year old that he allegedly raped.  The allegation in the complaint is that he raped the girl digitally on multiple occasions, despite her protestations to her mother that she not leave her with him alone.  While the mother thought that was odd, she left her with him anyway.  The defendant told the little girl that if she told anyone, he would take her into the woods and she'd never come out.  The little girl finally broke down and told her mom, the mom called the police, and the little girl took them to the site of the crime, where they found all the "goods." 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 22, 2009, 03:59:50 PM
i found his myspace page for jeff smiley...

http://www.myspace.com/130551167

its open to the public and very disturbing, especially since he has pics of his young daughter on there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991



Thanks madibabe.

It is unbelieveable that anybody with this type of history with LE is walking the streets.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is there anyway of determining the offences?  Are any of the offences related to sexual advances towards children?

Janet

The ones filed in District Court appear to be minor offenses, as the District Court is a court of limited jurisdiction, and can only hear cases involving:

Traffic and non-traffic infractions
Criminal and criminal-traffic misdemeanors and gross misdemeanors
Civil matters for damages for injury to individuals or personal property and contract disputes no greater than $75,000
Civil claims ('small claims'), for recovery of money not to exceed $5,000
Name changes
Antiharassment protection orders

The Superior Court case No. 09-1-00610-7 involves charges of Child Molestation in the First Degree
The Superior Court case No. 06-3-00449-2 is a divorce proceeding
The Superior Court case No. 02-3-00724-3 also appears to be a divorce proceeding
The Superior Court cases that begin with "91" were theft cases.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 22, 2009, 04:19:42 PM
i'm tryin to look up stuff on an adam campbell but unfortunately it's a popular first name...

im new to this whole sleuthing thing so i always look on myspace first

i found adam campbells in port angeles, everett, tacoma, and renton washington...the one from renton is a pastor. and the one from port angeles has a page thats open to the public..i feel bad posting the links because im not sure which one we are talking about


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 22, 2009, 04:30:16 PM
i'm tryin to look up stuff on an adam campbell but unfortunately it's a popular first name...

im new to this whole sleuthing thing so i always look on myspace first

i found adam campbells in port angeles, everett, tacoma, and renton washington...the one from renton is a pastor. and the one from port angeles has a page thats open to the public..i feel bad posting the links because im not sure which one we are talking about

Adam Campbell is a registered sex offender and may not have a Myspace, at least not under that name.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 04:38:19 PM
i'm tryin to look up stuff on an adam campbell but unfortunately it's a popular first name...

im new to this whole sleuthing thing so i always look on myspace first

i found adam campbells in port angeles, everett, tacoma, and renton washington...the one from renton is a pastor. and the one from port angeles has a page thats open to the public..i feel bad posting the links because im not sure which one we are talking about

Adam Campbell is a registered sex offender and may not have a Myspace, at least not under that name.

He also has an order of protection against him by his wife (or former wife, perhaps) for domestic violence.

Yakima Superior Court Case No. 07-2-04278-3


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 04:41:37 PM
By the way, the complaint against Jeffrey Smiley is an unsealed public record.  I can post it if anyone is interested in seeing it.  Klaas, just let me have your blessing.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 04:43:57 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009  
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991



Thanks madibabe.

It is unbelieveable that anybody with this type of history with LE is walking the streets.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Is there anyway of determining the offences?  Are any of the offences related to sexual advances towards children?

Janet

The ones filed in District Court appear to be minor offenses, as the District Court is a court of limited jurisdiction, and can only hear cases involving:

Traffic and non-traffic infractions
Criminal and criminal-traffic misdemeanors and gross misdemeanors
Civil matters for damages for injury to individuals or personal property and contract disputes no greater than $75,000
Civil claims ('small claims'), for recovery of money not to exceed $5,000
Name changes
Antiharassment protection orders

The Superior Court case No. 09-1-00610-7 involves charges of Child Molestation in the First Degree
The Superior Court case No. 06-3-00449-2 is a divorce proceeding
The Superior Court case No. 02-3-00724-3 also appears to be a divorce proceeding
The Superior Court cases that begin with "91" were theft cases.

I wonder if this proceeding of February 4, 2009 was related to the accusation last summer (2008) by his mother regarding the molestation of his younger sisters?

Either way ... when it is considered that innocent children are at risk ... this monster should not have been given the opportunity to reoffend.

Thank you Jess.

Janet

++++++


Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


<snipped>

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 04:46:38 PM
Based on the docket entries I believe the answer to your question is yes, they are related.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 04:50:44 PM
To elaborate, tell me if you've heard this story before. The related case is that he was picked up on a warrant for violating the conditions of his release. And guess what condition that was?  He was supposed to stay away from small children and not "befriend" women with small children. Well, he apparently moved in with a woman that had a little girl. Ever heard that story before?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 04:51:54 PM
Based on the docket entries I believe the answer to your question is yes, they are related.

I cannot comprehend why the "powers that be" did not apprehend this monster at the February, 2009 proceeding that related to the accusations last summer by his mother.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Jess ... I want to scream.  In all probability this monster is not connected to the Lindsey Baum case but ... who knows?

Janet

++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


<snipped>

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 04:53:46 PM
To elaborate, tell me if you've heard this story before. The related case is that he was picked up on a warrant for violating the conditions of his release. And guess what condition that was?  He was supposed to stay away from small children and not "befriend" women with small children. Well, he apparently moved in with a woman that had a little girl. Ever heard that story before?


 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 22, 2009, 04:57:36 PM
By the way, the complaint against Jeffrey Smiley is an unsealed public record.  I can post it if anyone is interested in seeing it.  Klaas, just let me have your blessing.



If it is public record you may post it as long as you redact any phone numbers or SS numbers that may be in the document.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Lovinlife on July 22, 2009, 05:00:06 PM
To elaborate, tell me if you've heard this story before. The related case is that he was picked up on a warrant for violating the conditions of his release. And guess what condition that was?  He was supposed to stay away from small children and not "befriend" women with small children. Well, he apparently moved in with a woman that had a little girl. Ever heard that story before?

Too many times, JessStar, too many times.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 05:23:23 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991


Good God!How old is he....32-33?He committed crimes back in 1991,19 years ago making him 13-14 years old at the time?Wait,that would have made him a juvi and those records are not public right?Still.....   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 05:42:54 PM
Let me run that specific address. I'll let you know what I find.

JessStar

Can you do your magic on Jeffrey R. Smiley.

I know it has been revealed that his mother reported him last year to authorities regarding a sexual assault on his younger sisters but ... somehow ... considering his age ... I believe there may be a criminal history lurking.

Thanks hon.

Janet

oK I AM NOT SURE IF THIS IS ALL HIM , BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS
7 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Kcdc-east Div (bel)  I03502828  10-02-2003
8 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780119C  10-30-2008
9 Smiley, Jeffrey R
Defendant  Pierce Co District  8Y780596C  11-18-2008
10 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
11 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386136  06-08-2006
12 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0405556  09-08-2006
13 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y4852763  10-23-2006
14 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  92C030065  01-27-1992
15 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  947677042  03-21-1994
16 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  P91269020  09-27-1991
17 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  96103907  02-16-1996
18 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  2Y0048041  01-14-2002
19 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937299158  06-03-1993
20 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce District #3  937446386  05-31-1993
21 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Tacoma Municipal  922474  01-22-1992
22 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co District  6Y611971A  08-25-2006
23 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce District #3  1Y28A  10-12-2001
24 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  6Y0386148  07-19-2006
25 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co District  9P0433038  04-21-2009
26 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Respondent  Pierce Co Superior  02-3-00724-3  03-04-2002
27 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  09-1-00610-7  02-04-2009
28 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Petitioner  Pierce Co Superior  06-3-00449-2  02-03-2006
29 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Judgment Debtor  Pierce Co Superior  91-9-09175-8  10-17-1991
30 Smiley, Jeffrey Richard
Defendant  Pierce Co Superior  91-1-03577-8  09-27-1991


Good God!How old is he....32-33?He committed crimes back in 1991,19 years ago making him 13-14 years old at the time?Wait,that would have made him a juvi and those records are not public right?Still.....   ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Karma

Jeffrey R. Smiley is 36 years old.  When a criminal record this long dates back to when Smiley was 17 years old ... obviously he was a time bomb ready to explode.

It has always been my believe that juvenile criminal records should be sealed UNLESS that juvenile continues in his/her life of crime as an adult.  The protections/the rights of the community of the whole should be the priority concern.
 
Somehow the logic of this world has taken a flipflop.

Janet

++++++++

Man charged with raping girl in woods at Fort Lewis
Originally published July 21, 2009 at 4:50 PM
Page modified July 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM

By Ian Ith
Seattle Times staff reporter


The FBI on Tuesday arrested a Pierce County man on a series of child-molestation charges after discovering a horrifying pair of makeshift dens in the remote woods of Fort Lewis, where they say the man had set up mattresses, toys and cameras to molest at least one young girl and take explicit photos.

Now the FBI is asking the public to help them find any other children who may have been his victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley, 36, of Spanaway, is charged in U.S. District Court in Tacoma with one count of aggravated sexual abuse of a minor. He is also charged in Pierce County Superior Court with two counts of first-degree child molestation for previous incidents last year.

Smiley has no connection to Fort Lewis or the Army, officials said.

Earlier this month, a 7-year-old girl told her mother that Smiley had taken her out in the woods and raped her, according to prosecution documents. The girl's mother called police.

Last week, the girl guided a county sheriff's detective and an FBI agent from her home to the place where the alleged assault occurred, the documents say. It turned out to be in a rural area of Fort Lewis where troops sometimes train.

Nearby, agents found a small clearing where three mattresses had been spread on the ground, the documents say.

They also found hundreds of printed photos of children in explicit poses, and several pieces of children's' clothing, including underwear.

In addition, the agents found "what appeared to be child-size, homemade dolls dressed in children's clothing," the documents say.

Two days later, an FBI agent returned to the site and looked more broadly around the area, the documents say.

He discovered Smiley's red Nissan Maxima parked there with a blanket spread on the ground, according to the documents.

On the blanket was another life-size doll with a rope tied around its neck "in what appeared to be simulating strangulation," the documents say.

The agent also found a cellphone, two computer memory cards, and a pair of jeans with Smiley's wallet in the pocket, the documents say.

Inside Smiley's car was a laptop computer, two cameras and two more cellphones, the documents add. On one camera there were explicit pictures of the 7-year-old girl, the documents say.

"Due to the number of photographs and the amount of children's clothes discovered at sites hidden in the woods, investigators are concerned that there are additional victims," the FBI said in a statement. Anyone with information can call the FBI at 206-622-0460 or e-mail seattle.fbi@ic.fbi.gov.

In the Pierce County cases, Smiley was charged last summer with molesting a different 7-year-old girl and an 11-year-old girl. Smiley's own mother had turned him in, documents say.
At the time of his arrest today, he had been wanted on a warrant in that case.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2009512049_websmiley21m.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 05:59:21 PM
To elaborate, tell me if you've heard this story before. The related case is that he was picked up on a warrant for violating the conditions of his release. And guess what condition that was?  He was supposed to stay away from small children and not "befriend" women with small children. Well, he apparently moved in with a woman that had a little girl. Ever heard that story before?

I seem to hear that a lot in these cases.....stupid women that invite these predators right into their homes!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 06:01:10 PM
I'll post the complaint later tonight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 06:03:37 PM
Somehow the logic of this world has taken a flipflop.

Janet,your quote above seems to sums things up most times!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 22, 2009, 06:31:26 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 22, 2009, 06:51:29 PM
i'm tryin to look up stuff on an adam campbell but unfortunately it's a popular first name...

im new to this whole sleuthing thing so i always look on myspace first

i found adam campbells in port angeles, everett, tacoma, and renton washington...the one from renton is a pastor. and the one from port angeles has a page thats open to the public..i feel bad posting the links because im not sure which one we are talking about

Adam Campbell is a registered sex offender and may not have a Myspace, at least not under that name.

He also has an order of protection against him by his wife (or former wife, perhaps) for domestic violence.

Yakima Superior Court Case No. 07-2-04278-3

Does it say what church that paster is affiliated with?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 22, 2009, 06:57:52 PM
Lindsey's Daddy headed home now :(
This article is from the daily world so if the link doesn't work(cause they want you to pay for the news)don't worry....the whole article is below :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Lindsey Baum’s father returned to Tennessee last weekend to attend to personal issues and sort out his possible deployment to Iraq.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard with orders to Iraq, headed home but hopes to remain in the country to help with the investigation to find his 11-year-old missing daughter.

“He had some personal things to deal with,” Scott said.

The undersheriff said Baum had a “round-trip” ticket, so he could return quickly if anything changed in the case.

Lindsey Baum went missing on June 26 as she walked a few blocks from her friend’s house to her home in McCleary. Two people spotted her along the way, but she never made it to her front door and investigators have found no evidence explaining her disappearance.

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a light blue hooded shirt, blue jeans and black shoes. Hundreds of volunteers and investigators have searched for her in the more than three weeks since she disappeared.

Undersheriff Scott said at least eight investigators from the Sheriff’s Office, the McCleary Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation will be working on the case this week.

They will continue sifting through records and interviews for new leads and possibilities, he said.
 

 


Scott said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum, has worked with family members to start two Web sites dedicated to the search at: www.findlindseybaum.com and www.lindseybaum.com. She has also turned to the Internet for support or any new resources for locating her daughter.

Scott said all who are involved maintain Lindsey will be found and ask anyone with information to call local authorities or the investigation’s tip line at: 1-866-915-8299.
 
 http://thedailyworld.com/articles/2009/07/21/local_news/doc4a6603e106601642143731.txt




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 08:39:36 PM
What in the world took so long!!  The lack of focus that has been revealed in the search for this little 10 year old girl is beyond comprehension.

Janet

++++++


Reward offered in McCleary missing girl case
08:23 AM PDT on Wednesday, July 22, 2009
DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office is offering a reward of up to $6,000 for information that leads searchers to Lindsey Baum, the girl who disappeared in McCleary last month ....

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 08:43:41 PM
Thanks Karma

If the Daily World is an on-line publication only ... then I can understand to some extent why a charge is being levied.  However ... that timing of charging on-line readers does appear that a local tragedy is being taken advantage of for financial gain.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2009, 09:13:34 PM
Janet, do you know if the Daily World is an on-line publication only?  Do you know that "timing" of which you reference?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:31:53 PM
Janet, do you know if the Daily World is an on-line publication only?  Do you know that "timing" of which you reference?

No idea Sister.

On-line only or on-line and printed publication ... the Daily World has no obligation to provide free on-line service any more that you and I have an obligation.

However ... up until a couple of days ago ... I would access this local website each morning for updates in the Lindsey Baum case.  Now when I access the site ... there is a $5.00 daily charge for the privilege of reading.  It is the timing of the charge for reading on-line publications that I am questioning.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2009, 09:38:55 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 22, 2009, 09:41:14 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2009, 09:44:47 PM
What in the world took so long!!  The lack of focus that has been revealed in the search for this little 10 year old girl is beyond comprehension.

Janet

++++++
Reward offered in McCleary missing girl case
08:23 AM PDT on Wednesday, July 22, 2009
DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office is offering a reward of up to $6,000 for information that leads searchers to Lindsey Baum, the girl who disappeared in McCleary last month ....

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html

The reward is being sponsored by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and Crimestoppers.  I'm not aware of any Sheriff's Offices that have money to offer as a reward, but perhaps there are some.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 09:45:34 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 09:49:17 PM
Janet, do you know if the Daily World is an on-line publication only?  Do you know that "timing" of which you reference?
no it is not. It gets delivered every day. They just started charging last month, before that you could search it for free.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2009, 09:50:12 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.

No magic touch here -- maybe because I don't live in the vicinity?  Have no idea.  Just did it again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:58:39 PM
What in the world took so long!!  The lack of focus that has been revealed in the search for this little 10 year old girl is beyond comprehension.

Janet

++++++
Reward offered in McCleary missing girl case
08:23 AM PDT on Wednesday, July 22, 2009
DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office is offering a reward of up to $6,000 for information that leads searchers to Lindsey Baum, the girl who disappeared in McCleary last month ....

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html

The reward is being sponsored by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and Crimestoppers.  I'm not aware of any Sheriff's Offices that have money to offer as a reward, but perhaps there are some.

LE in Orlando afforded Tim Miller a $5,000 donation to assist in the search for Caylee Marie.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
Before I post the Jeffrey Smiley criminal complaint, let me know if there's an interest in seeing it.  If there's no interest, I wont post it, because portions of it are rather graphic.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 10:01:09 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.


Karma

I received the same page when accessing the website.  Could it be that monies were not forthcoming and the page demanding payment for viewing was taken down.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2009, 10:03:07 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.

No magic touch here -- maybe because I don't live in the vicinity?  Have no idea.  Just did it again.

I also clicked on the site and the article came up.  I also just entered www.king5.com and can read there.  So far, nothing saying about any charges...  :smt102  But I've never tried it before.  Maybe it puts cookies and "knows" if you are coming very often, and after a certain time tries to charge... :smt102  Maybe we can take turns accessing the site, until it wants money...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 22, 2009, 10:04:05 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2009, 10:04:08 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.


Karma

I received the same page when accessing the website.  Could it be that monies were not forthcoming and the page demanding payment for viewing was taken down.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet



 :smt102 :smt117


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 22, 2009, 10:04:45 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::


That's just terrible   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 10:10:17 PM
I am intrested in reading it. Can anyone here link him to grays harbor county?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 22, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::

That just makes me sick.  What was this mother thinking? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 22, 2009, 10:28:47 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::

That just makes me sick.  What was this mother thinking? 
she wasn't! for sure


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 11:00:52 PM
Before I post the Jeffrey Smiley criminal complaint, let me know if there's an interest in seeing it.  If there's no interest, I wont post it, because portions of it are rather graphic.

Please post it.  This guy needs to be exposed as the monster he is.  Without details ... his despicable actions are being covered up.

IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 11:13:16 PM
Consider the close proximity to McCleary ... I do believe that this monster needs to be considered a person of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet

++++++


Accused child molester arrested, feds say more victims likely
Story Published: Jul 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 22, 2009 at 7:12 AM PDT


SPANAWAY, Wash. -- Police here have arrested a man accused of molesting a 7-year-old girl, and detectives fear there may be additional victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley was arrested and charged on Tuesday with aggravated sexual abuse for assaulting a young girl on federal property.

Earlier this month the girl revealed that Smiley, 36, had molested her in the woods of the Fort Lewis Military Reservation near Spanaway, according to federal agents.

Investigators searched the publicly-accessible woods, and at two locations found camera equipment, children's clothes, toys, mattresses and sexual paraphernalia.

Parked nearby was Smiley's car, inside which investigators found computer equipment containing images of child pornography, including images of the 7-year-old girl.

"Given the amount of evidence that was found. the number of images, the children's clothing that was found, number of toys, the extent of the evidence, there's concern, certainly, that there could have been more than one child," said FBI spokesman Fred Gutt.

Smiley's adoptive sisters allege abuse

Prior to Smiley's arrest on Tuesday, an arrest warrant had been issued for Smiley for two counts of first-degree child molestation from a previous incident.

According to court documents, Smiley's own mother had accused him of sexually assaulting his two adoptive sisters between September 2006 and June 2007. The girls were 5 and 9 years old at the time.

The allegations first surfaced after the younger girl told her mother Smiley had acted strangely while babysitting her and her sister overnight on July 12, 2008. The girl said Smiley exposed himself, touched her genitals and took pictures of her naked, the documents said.

When interviewed by detectives, however, the girl, whom detectives described as "developmentally delayed," did not disclose any abuse.

The 5-year-old girl reported a similar incident to her mother a month later. The mother then asked her 9-year-old daughter whether she had any similar encounters.

Prosecutors said the older girl burst into tears and said Smiley had touched her when she spent a night at his house in the fourth grade.

While watching a movie, the girl said Smiley told her he'd "show her what boyfriends do," instructed her to take her clothes off, then touched her, according to the documents. The next day Smiley told her not to tell anyone about the incident, the girl said.


Smiley was arrested in February, then released on his own recognizance. He was scheduled to stand trial in August.  

However, an arrest warrant was issued when he broke a condition of his release by moving in with a woman and her young child earlier this year. Smiley had been instructed to have no contact with minor children and to stay away from school grounds or playgrounds.

Records indicate Smiley has a 4-year-old daughter of his own, who has been placed under the care of her grandfather residing in another state.

The mandatory minimum sentence for an aggravated sexual abuse conviction is 30 years in prison.

Anyone with information or concerns about the possible victimization of a child is asked to contact the FBI by calling (206) 622-0460 or by e-mailing detectives.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 11:25:09 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.

No magic touch here -- maybe because I don't live in the vicinity?  Have no idea.  Just did it again.

I also clicked on the site and the article came up.  I also just entered www.king5.com and can read there.  So far, nothing saying about any charges...  :smt102  But I've never tried it before.  Maybe it puts cookies and "knows" if you are coming very often, and after a certain time tries to charge... :smt102  Maybe we can take turns accessing the site, until it wants money...

This is the site that requested payment for a daily/monthly/yearly subscription for viewing when I tried accessing it in the past couple of days.  That page has now been taken down and ... article can be viewed without charge.

Janet


Daily World

http://**/local_news/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 11:33:09 PM
just want to share a bit of info with you, so you can expand and see.

I am researching over here and I find that there are Smiley family in SHELTON, ELMA and McCleary.

I also find that the weirdo posts on lindsey's guestbook by adam Campbell is strange too.  first there is one who is a sex offender out of yakima. 

but then there is one out of spanaway listed with a forrest smiley.  this adam campbell is 43, the sex offender one is 31.  now we have no idea which adam campbell in on lindsey's guestbook with the weird posts, or if someone else is just using that name to tell us something. 

I have taken those weirdo posts over to the crypotologists etc of the zodiac case.  They have some people over there who are really really good, and I just don't have the time to keep fooling with those posts like they can and there are 100 people or more over there who can work on it.  And it also brings attention to lindsey's case over there and hopefully one of those people with the HUGE sites will pick up Lindseys cause and help try to figure this mess out. 

so let me get back over here and try to figure out which Smiley's are related here. 

If it turns out to be this adam campbell is the one listed with forrest smiley in spanaway and if forrest is related to jeffrey richard spanaway then HMMM why are they posting weird posts on lindsey's guestbook. 

also if the smileys in elma, mccleary and shelton are related to jeffrey richard spanaway who was just arrested, it is possible he was over in mccleary visiting family.  or in elma where lindsey sometimes was. 

so let me go dig more, and if I come up with more will let you know. 

thanks for helping out jessstar, it helps to figure out which ones we are looking at. 

btw if jefferey richard smiley was bory in june 6 1973, then he is somehow connected to the ohop anesthesia inc, ... so did this guy have access to anesthetic drugs? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 11:35:58 PM
in previous post should be jeffrey richard smiley IN spanaway, not jeffery richard spanaway

also this guy is in Eatonville.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
btw, if you would like to use my research, I have no problem with that at all.  this is all about solving a case, so feel free to use it. it is all categorized and easy to find.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 22, 2009, 11:43:30 PM
oh one other thing I have been working on which is very intersting is this. 

the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related.  I have not had time to do a lot of work on this but have some of it done.  phernetton is a pretty uncommon name and to have fleezy on his page kind of ties them name together.  So I thought there should be some research done on that as well.

and after you see what is on his page and where is leads you, you will say HMMMM   there are connections from his myspace to lyrics of a song about raping and molesting children for lord satan...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 12:11:19 AM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 12:12:55 AM
oh one other thing I have been working on which is very intersting is this. 

the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related.  I have not had time to do a lot of work on this but have some of it done.  phernetton is a pretty uncommon name and to have fleezy on his page kind of ties them name together.  So I thought there should be some research done on that as well.

and after you see what is on his page and where is leads you, you will say HMMMM   there are connections from his myspace to lyrics of a song about raping and molesting children for lord satan...
DD GOOD WORK!!! I feel good about my accedent in thinking he might be the Allen and posting his arrest despite his age. It feels good to have some leads. we  have a bunch of fishing around we can do now thanks to you DD ... U R WONDERFUL!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 12:17:59 AM
I've beenn over here doing a lot of work on this stuff and it is all posted, feel free to use it to get a jump start. 

I do think that cryptic poster really might be saying to look at SMILEY.  let me go dig. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 01:05:46 AM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.
Here is a free way to read newspapers around here.
www.venture-bank.com/ventureportal.htm
You will be able to see all newpapers from pierce county, thurston, lewis and grays harbor counties listed on the left hand side middle of page.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 01:14:26 AM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.

Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 01:31:44 AM


Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 
[/quote] That would be GREAT!! I used to sell primitive dolls at "our secret garden" in Grand Mound. My friend Barb owned it. It was a fantastic peacful fun place to go.  I would love to search and put our thinking caps on to see what we can help with !!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 23, 2009, 08:12:40 AM
Attached is the Complaint against Jeffrey Smiley.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:21:23 AM
Attached is the Complaint against Jeffrey Smiley.

This is so sad.  What a sick individual he is.  To imagine that there are 1000's and 1000's of these people in our society doing this to our children, makes me sick to my stomach.   

Is there a picture of this person?  Is it legal to copy a picture and take it through out McCleary to see if anyone has seen him in the area? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:25:58 AM
From Komo news article: There is a picture attached to this article.
Accused child molester arrested, feds say more victims likely
 
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Story Updated: Jul 22, 2009 at 7:12 AM PDT
By Martha Kang  Watch the story SPANAWAY, Wash. -- Police here have arrested a man accused of molesting a 7-year-old girl, and detectives fear there may be additional victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley was arrested and charged on Tuesday with aggravated sexual abuse for assaulting a young girl on federal property.

Earlier this month the girl revealed that Smiley, 36, had molested her in the woods of the Fort Lewis Military Reservation near Spanaway, according to federal agents.

Investigators searched the publicly-accessible woods, and at two locations found camera equipment, children's clothes, toys, mattresses and sexual paraphernalia.

Parked nearby was Smiley's car, inside which investigators found computer equipment containing images of child pornography, including images of the 7-year-old girl.

"Given the amount of evidence that was found. the number of images, the children's clothing that was found, number of toys, the extent of the evidence, there's concern, certainly, that there could have been more than one child," said FBI spokesman Fred Gutt.

Smiley's adoptive sisters allege abuse

Prior to Smiley's arrest on Tuesday, an arrest warrant had been issued for Smiley for two counts of first-degree child molestation from a previous incident.

According to court documents, Smiley's own mother had accused him of sexually assaulting his two adoptive sisters between September 2006 and June 2007. The girls were 5 and 9 years old at the time.

The allegations first surfaced after the younger girl told her mother Smiley had acted strangely while babysitting her and her sister overnight on July 12, 2008. The girl said Smiley exposed himself, touched her genitals and took pictures of her naked, the documents said.

When interviewed by detectives, however, the girl, whom detectives described as "developmentally delayed," did not disclose any abuse.

The 5-year-old girl reported a similar incident to her mother a month later. The mother then asked her 9-year-old daughter whether she had any similar encounters.

Prosecutors said the older girl burst into tears and said Smiley had touched her when she spent a night at his house in the fourth grade.

While watching a movie, the girl said Smiley told her he'd "show her what boyfriends do," instructed her to take her clothes off, then touched her, according to the documents. The next day Smiley told her not to tell anyone about the incident, the girl said.

Smiley was arrested in February, then released on his own recognizance. He was scheduled to stand trial in August.

However, an arrest warrant was issued when he broke a condition of his release by moving in with a woman and her young child earlier this year. Smiley had been instructed to have no contact with minor children and to stay away from school grounds or playgrounds.

Records indicate Smiley has a 4-year-old daughter of his own, who has been placed under the care of her grandfather residing in another state.

The mandatory minimum sentence for an aggravated sexual abuse conviction is 30 years in prison.

Anyone with information or concerns about the possible victimization of a child is asked to contact the FBI by calling (206) 622-0460 or by e-mailing detectives.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:27:46 AM
Sorry- here is the link to the above article.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 11:43:59 AM


Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 
That would be GREAT!! I used to sell primitive dolls at "our secret garden" in Grand Mound. My friend Barb owned it. It was a fantastic peacful fun place to go.  I would love to search and put our thinking caps on to see what we can help with !!
[/quote]

I don't know how to email or do a personal message on this site to give you my contact information...do you know how?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:50:48 AM


Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 
That would be GREAT!! I used to sell primitive dolls at "our secret garden" in Grand Mound. My friend Barb owned it. It was a fantastic peacful fun place to go.  I would love to search and put our thinking caps on to see what we can help with !!

I don't know how to email or do a personal message on this site to give you my contact information...do you know how?
[/quote]

You can't.  You can send an email to Klaas at smklaas@hotmail.com, and give your permission to have your email address sent to another person.  Do not post it online!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 11:52:32 AM


Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 
That would be GREAT!! I used to sell primitive dolls at "our secret garden" in Grand Mound. My friend Barb owned it. It was a fantastic peacful fun place to go.  I would love to search and put our thinking caps on to see what we can help with !!

I don't know how to email or do a personal message on this site to give you my contact information...do you know how?

You can't.  You can send an email to Klaas at smklaas@hotmail.com, and give your permission to have your email address sent to another person.  Do not post it online!
[/quote]

Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 12:05:18 PM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


DD - I am amazed at what you do.  I tried to look at the posts on Lindseys guestbook from adam campbell but I didn't see anything.  Is there any way that you can copy and post here so we can read them.

Something is weird with the Pherneten connection.

DoubleDecker Post - "the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related."

He may have known Lindsey - Can anyone contact Kara and ask her about that person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: EverySunset on July 23, 2009, 12:10:35 PM
Sorry- here is the link to the above article.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html

Someone posted this myspace earlier, but weren't for sure if it was the same guy. I enlarged the picture of him on this myspace and saw the moles on his face that are visible in the mug shot. I think it's definitely the same guy. I am completely disgusted. The way he talks about the love for his daughter and all the pics he has up of her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.myspace.com/130551167


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 12:13:30 PM
Sorry- here is the link to the above article.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html

Someone posted this myspace earlier, but weren't for sure if it was the same guy. I enlarged the picture of him on this myspace and saw the moles on his face that are visible in the mug shot. I think it's definitely the same guy. I am completely disgusted. The way he talks about the love for his daughter and all the pics he has up of her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.myspace.com/130551167

I saw that and was praying that wasn't the same guy.  What a beautiful little girl.  so very sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2009, 01:05:39 PM
Smiley
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Smiley.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 01:06:58 PM


Wow, I shouldnt be surprised but I am.  Those people scare me, especially those who use religion as a cover for really bad behavior.  I live in the grand mound area, if you have areas you would like to search but dont want to go alone I am willing to go with you.  It's a lot safer in numbers. Just let me know and we can make arraingements. 
That would be GREAT!! I used to sell primitive dolls at "our secret garden" in Grand Mound. My friend Barb owned it. It was a fantastic peacful fun place to go.  I would love to search and put our thinking caps on to see what we can help with !!

I don't know how to email or do a personal message on this site to give you my contact information...do you know how?

You can't.  You can send an email to Klaas at smklaas@hotmail.com, and give your permission to have your email address sent to another person.  Do not post it online!

Thanks!
[/quote]ok i will send a email now . thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 01:31:15 PM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


DD - I am amazed at what you do.  I tried to look at the posts on Lindseys guestbook from adam campbell but I didn't see anything.  Is there any way that you can copy and post here so we can read them.

Something is weird with the Pherneten connection.

DoubleDecker Post - "the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related."

He may have known Lindsey - Can anyone contact Kara and ask her about that person.

here are the posts

Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


http://findlindseybaum.com/31001.html?c ... 304&jump=1

here is where the work is on these posts, be sure to read both pages as at first we thought this might be the sex offender who is 31 yrs old but by page 2 I believe this is the other adam campbell who is listed with Forrest Smiley.  this adam campbell would fit the 65 (birth year?) on the email. 

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209&p=851#p851

but I am still working on this.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 01:40:22 PM
Smiley
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Smiley.jpg)
Thanks Klaas....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 02:01:59 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     



I am bringing this forward because this person has a connection to Kara and her kids and also possibly the orv park.

Also look at smiley photo and compare to photo of that person in McCleary at the Lindsey command center. I dont know how to insert those photos so I will bring them forward with next post.


Smiley
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Smiley.jpg)  http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729
Smiley





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 02:03:30 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 02:05:53 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729

Look at the similarities of the mouth on those photos.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 23, 2009, 02:12:42 PM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


DD - I am amazed at what you do.  I tried to look at the posts on Lindseys guestbook from adam campbell but I didn't see anything.  Is there any way that you can copy and post here so we can read them.

Something is weird with the Pherneten connection.

DoubleDecker Post - "the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related."

He may have known Lindsey - Can anyone contact Kara and ask her about that person.

here are the posts

Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


http://findlindseybaum.com/31001.html?c ... 304&jump=1

here is where the work is on these posts, be sure to read both pages as at first we thought this might be the sex offender who is 31 yrs old but by page 2 I believe this is the other adam campbell who is listed with Forrest Smiley.  this adam campbell would fit the 65 (birth year?) on the email. 

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209&p=851#p851

but I am still working on this.

DD.I can be interpret their message in a good or bad way. I can see it as a message being sent out to followers to follow the rules of their own state law, which would have nothing to do with the white house...But could be a warning to others. Or it could be genuine. This triggered a post on here I read about fish? And I could have sworn it was a way of communication, metaphorically, everything I read could have been easily interpreted into a message to others about the rules of the game. So strange this is...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 23, 2009, 02:15:26 PM
And what I mean is their way of communication globally, or not for the use of children in a bad way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 02:26:36 PM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


DD - I am amazed at what you do.  I tried to look at the posts on Lindseys guestbook from adam campbell but I didn't see anything.  Is there any way that you can copy and post here so we can read them.

Something is weird with the Pherneten connection.

DoubleDecker Post - "the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related."

He may have known Lindsey - Can anyone contact Kara and ask her about that person.

here are the posts

Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


http://findlindseybaum.com/31001.html?c ... 304&jump=1

here is where the work is on these posts, be sure to read both pages as at first we thought this might be the sex offender who is 31 yrs old but by page 2 I believe this is the other adam campbell who is listed with Forrest Smiley.  this adam campbell would fit the 65 (birth year?) on the email. 

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209&p=851#p851

but I am still working on this.

DD.I can be interpret their message in a good or bad way. I can see it as a message being sent out to followers to follow the rules of their own state law, which would have nothing to do with the white house...But could be a warning to others. Or it could be genuine. This triggered a post on here I read about fish? And I could have sworn it was a way of communication, metaphorically, everything I read could have been easily interpreted into a message to others about the rules of the game. So strange this is...

Photo of Adam Campbell SO taken from http://truecrime.forums-free.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=209&p=851#p851




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 23, 2009, 02:27:52 PM
That didn't make sense. LOL

The theory presented is this; whoever or if anyone took Lindsey, they could have been a person of interest in relation to those who take children to produce film and then communicate via-internet, globally to pass on the info. I know you guys know this, but i had to correct my own post above.. ::MonkeyRoll:: It's a sick sick world and not getting any better...damn


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 23, 2009, 02:31:28 PM
With reference to the photo of the guy looking at Lindsey's photo:
The man in the photo appears to have no hair below his cap.  And if the Smiley photo is recent, he grew his hair back really fast if they are one and the same person. 

I inquired to Kara (to her private email) about the guy in the photo looking at Lindsey's poster.  She didn't know him but said she would check around.  I haven't heard anything since.  He interests me, always has.

With the arrest of Smiley, and with the Fed's comment about there being more victims, possibly, perhaps this will, at the very least, lead to other clues in other cases and perhaps even to Lindsey.  I continue to pray.

Blessings to All the Monkeys.






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 02:38:54 PM
With reference to the photo of the guy looking at Lindsey's photo:
The man in the photo appears to have no hair below his cap.  And if the Smiley photo is recent, he grew his hair back really fast if they are one and the same person. 

I inquired to Kara (to her private email) about the guy in the photo looking at Lindsey's poster.  She didn't know him but said she would check around.  I haven't heard anything since.  He interests me, always has.

With the arrest of Smiley, and with the Fed's comment about there being more victims, possibly, perhaps this will, at the very least, lead to other clues in other cases and perhaps even to Lindsey.  I continue to pray.

Blessings to All the Monkeys.






You are correct about the hair, but the mouth certainly looks similar.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 02:43:27 PM
Thanks Karma

If the Daily World is an on-line publication only ... then I can understand to some extent why a charge is being levied.  However ... that timing of charging on-line readers does appear that a local tragedy is being taken advantage of for financial gain.

IMO

Janet
I agree Janet
When we first started reading there it was free,like most internet media sites.I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for the News when it's free elsewhere and sometimes more spot on then the Daily World.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.
Seems somedays they want you to pay and somedays it's free.I actually copied that article for free.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 23, 2009, 02:46:27 PM
To me, the chin of Adam Campbell looks more like the chin of the guy looking at Lindsey's poster.  The eyes are much more similar, too, in my opinion.  If you can picture the photo of Adam Campbell squinting, now look at the guy looking at the poster.  I can see more similarities than with the photo of Smiley.  Also, Adam has already been  in prison, right?  May account for the tatooed fingers, or whatever that turns out to be.  JMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 02:54:27 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.
Hi MadiBabe
Can you please tell us the name of this church in McCleary?And the pastor's and/or pastor's son's names?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 02:57:17 PM
Before I post the Jeffrey Smiley criminal complaint, let me know if there's an interest in seeing it.  If there's no interest, I wont post it, because portions of it are rather graphic.
I would like to see it Jess,please.My eyes are wide open.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 02:59:21 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::
That so called Mama should be locked up right along with smiley,for endangering her child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 23, 2009, 03:02:04 PM
Before I post the Jeffrey Smiley criminal complaint, let me know if there's an interest in seeing it.  If there's no interest, I wont post it, because portions of it are rather graphic.
I would like to see it Jess,please.My eyes are wide open.

It's posted at Reply #881


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
Just confused, I clicked on the site and the article came up.  I didn't pay.

Then you must have the magic touch.  I tried both yesterday and today, and for a one day read it was $5.00, and more for a weekly and a monthly.
Here is a free way to read newspapers around here.
www.venture-bank.com/ventureportal.htm
You will be able to see all newpapers from pierce county, thurston, lewis and grays harbor counties listed on the left hand side middle of page.

Thank you Sherip!
This is very useful.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 03:18:51 PM
Attached is the Complaint against Jeffrey Smiley.
That is one sicko freak!They better never let this guy out!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 03:36:20 PM
KaraR, there are two other threads on this site that have lots of info about the churches, one is under Wayne Watne and the other is listed as Weird Things, etc.  Maybe you can provide some new insights, which would be a blessing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 03:41:36 PM
and I just had a lightbulb go off just now.  will be working more on that also.

the cryptic weird posts...

HAPPY follow state laws etc, I just went ding ding. 

he keeps saying don't worry about it.  follow the state law.  HAPPY

well if you don't worry you are happy.  you don't frown, you smile.  you follow the state law, what is it?  it is the sex offender law, you have to register, and it is out there to follow. 

what does all this add up to... happy, don't worry.  smile - SMILEY????

ok so here you have an adam campbell posting these cryptic posts on lindsey guestbook, why there.  because we have an adam campbell listed with forrest smiley who MIGHT be (working on this right now) related to jeffrey richard smiley the arrested sex offender.  if so then adam campbell with forrest smiley might know something about jeffrey richard smiley being related to the elma, mccleary, shelton Smileys and his being in that area visiting etc..

so is this person with the cryptic posts over on lindsey's guestbook trying to tell us to look at jeffrey richard smiley in connection to lindsey's disappearance? 

and jeffrey's middle name is richard.  could he by any chance be called rick?  if so, white house might be casa blanca. the movie, where the character is RICK?  now I don't know about this part this was someone else's idea about the rick part.  I will work on those posts more later.  right now I have 3-4 things I am really working on which need a lot of research still


DD - I am amazed at what you do.  I tried to look at the posts on Lindseys guestbook from adam campbell but I didn't see anything.  Is there any way that you can copy and post here so we can read them.

Something is weird with the Pherneten connection.

DoubleDecker Post - "the guy arrested in montesaro, PHERNETTON... well get this.  there is a WIL phernetton on myspace who has his top 10 friends.  one of them is FLEEZY... he's on kara's kids myspaces and her sister in laws, and is related."

He may have known Lindsey - Can anyone contact Kara and ask her about that person.
I think that Feezy should be Fleezy?Mike Fleezy aka Fleezy.
Anyway I think Fleezy is named Flodstrom(sp).Fleezy is either Michelle Flodstrom's son or nephew.Michelle Flodstrom is Kara's sister in law.
Shawn Flodstrom below,at his page you have Fleezy,Michelle and someone called Floody who I believe is also related.I don't know how Shawn Flodstrom is related and does anyone know if these are relatives of Kara's"old man"or.........?

http://www.myspace.com/shawnspersonalmusic




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 03:48:36 PM
Sorry- here is the link to the above article.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html

Someone posted this myspace earlier, but weren't for sure if it was the same guy. I enlarged the picture of him on this myspace and saw the moles on his face that are visible in the mug shot. I think it's definitely the same guy. I am completely disgusted. The way he talks about the love for his daughter and all the pics he has up of her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.myspace.com/130551167
So sick!
Thank you EverySunSet
I noticed one image not showing up in his little movie,title says"going for a ride on daddy,giddy up daddy"   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Can you post the images of him side by side here?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 23, 2009, 04:11:11 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
WELCOME I'm very sorry about your friend's child Kylie, thanks for your info.

I was reading at the True Crime Forum and they have a post about a Danica Larsen disappeared around 07/07/09 who is the step-sister of Kylie Ellis.  OMG how much can one family take.  I tried to find some additional information on this but have not located anything.  If anyone knows about this girl can you provide some information?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 23, 2009, 04:26:24 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AdamCampbell1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: EverySunset on July 23, 2009, 04:49:39 PM
So sick!
Thank you EverySunSet
I noticed one image not showing up in his little movie,title says"going for a ride on daddy,giddy up daddy"   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Can you post the images of him side by side here?

I took both of these images from his myspace and put them beside the mugshot. In one you can see the moles or birthmarks on his cheek, but in the other you cant. Crappy quality:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/cherryblossomcanopy/yujh.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/cherryblossomcanopy/yujh.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: EverySunset on July 23, 2009, 04:50:31 PM
Oh man! It figures I would do that!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/cherryblossomcanopy/bh.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 04:52:48 PM
Thank you klassend for approving my membership. I live in the next town over from McCleary, and have been reading your boards since Lindsey disappeared. Her disappearance struck a chord in my heart, because on June 20th, we buried a friends 12 year old daughter. This little girl was Kylie Ellis. She went missing on Dec. 1, 2008. She was listed as an endangered runaway, and it seems left at that until her body was found on June 1. My reason for registering is that while Kylie was missing, up until about March, she was spotted all over town. One of the places she was seen consistently for awhile was at a youth group at a church in Rainier WA. With all the digging you have done, and the connections that have been found with Wayne Watne, I felt I should get this information out there. Please keep up the great work you all do, and bring Lindsey home.
WELCOME I'm very sorry about your friend's child Kylie, thanks for your info.

I was reading at the True Crime Forum and they have a post about a Danica Larsen disappeared around 07/07/09 who is the step-sister of Kylie Ellis.  OMG how much can one family take.  I tried to find some additional information on this but have not located anything.  If anyone knows about this girl can you provide some information?

I'll try to get some info up on here, I just have not had the time yet to get it on there.
she has not been reported missing. her mother is not reporting her missing from what I understand. 

I'll get some info and post it as soon as I can.  just weird the two step sisters go missing.  the other one, kylie went missing in dec found in june I believe?  I think I remember that right.  I'll post more info on that one too as soon as I get time, it is a really really strange case that makes no sense whatsoever. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 04:57:02 PM
real quick here...

michelle flodstrom/Kampen/Sheedy is the sister in law of KARA.. michelle was married to Kara's brother wesley.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 05:06:53 PM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 23, 2009, 05:37:44 PM
wow, i have just been reading the past few pages catching up with everyone and i think its way too much of a coincidence that some of these SO's are related in some way to the Kampen's..jmho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 23, 2009, 05:47:50 PM
wow, i have just been reading the past few pages catching up with everyone and i think its way too much of a coincidence that some of these SO's are related in some way to the Kampen's..jmho
I totally agree, way to bizarre.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 23, 2009, 06:12:53 PM
The only thing I can immediately find is a PO Box in McCleary.  Let me look some more. . .

SMILEY, DALLAS L
SMILEY, DALLAS
(DOB: 07/1970) (Age: 39)    

150 N BLOCKHOUSE RD
ELMA, WA 98541-9212
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(01/1992-Current)    

109 N BLOCKHOUSE RD
ELMA, WA 98541-9212
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(11/2000-2009)

144 N BLOCKHOUSE RD
ELMA, WA 98541-9212
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(02/1998-02/1998)

PO BOX 34
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-0034
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(03/1990-03/1990)

25 ODONNALL AVE
ELMA, WA 98541-9429
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(11/89-11/89)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 23, 2009, 06:24:32 PM
I am not able to link the PO box to a street address.  However, it may also be linked to Smiley Farms LLC, Eva Rothchild and/or Kristy Palmer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 06:55:41 PM
wow, i have just been reading the past few pages catching up with everyone and i think its way too much of a coincidence that some of these SO's are related in some way to the Kampen's..jmho
I totally agree, way to bizarre.
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 07:17:26 PM
Oh man! It figures I would do that!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v70/cherryblossomcanopy/bh.jpg)
Thank you!My God he is creepy as all get out!
I wonder where his baby's Mom is?Why would she leave her child around this sick freak!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 23, 2009, 07:22:39 PM
real quick here...

michelle flodstrom/Kampen/Sheedy is the sister in law of KARA.. michelle was married to Kara's brother wesley.

Thanks DD
I thought Mike Flodstrom was Wesley's son?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 08:02:04 PM
real quick here...

michelle flodstrom/Kampen/Sheedy is the sister in law of KARA.. michelle was married to Kara's brother wesley.

Thanks DD
I thought Mike Flodstrom was Wesley's son?

wesley is kara's brother, he is a Kampen

I did know whose son fleezy was, but have forgot now LOL  It might be posted somewhere on this board.  I'll try to find it in my notes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 23, 2009, 08:06:20 PM
Could the cryptic message mean something about Adam needing help or helping someone to get out of WA (White House) and where should he go (50 states)?  Is his 'leader' from the support group (Watne) and he needs someone to connect to him and make arrangement on how to get away with a crime and what to do now?  I think some of the young girls mentioned I saw on Phrenetton's or (Feezy's) MySpace.  Not sure, would have to look again and the girls do change their age because if they registered right before turning twelve they couldn't have set up a page.  Over thinking probably.  DD, you'll solve this I'm sure!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 08:08:51 PM
thanks jessstar.  well at least you found a po box, I can take that and maybe find something.  I had not even found that. 

hmmm this is who is at the box 34.. I wonder if that box was dropped and these people picked it up, or if he is using their box and knows them.  do you have a street address for them?

34 PO BOX MCCLEARY, WA
EVERETT, MARY A (Age 79)
EVERETT, JAMES M (Age 47)
EVERETT, JIM (Age 47)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

EVERETT, JAMES M (Age 47)
EVERETT, DUANE E (Age 80)
EVERETT, JIM (Age 47)



 MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

EVERETT, MARY A (Age 79)
EVERETT, DUANE E (Age 80)
EVERETT, JIM (Age 47)



 MCCLEARY, WA
Possible Relatives:

EVERETT, MARY A (Age 79)
EVERETT, DUANE E (Age 80)
EVERETT, JAMES M (Age 47)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 08:09:03 PM
hey DD is back...i left you something on the crazy questions for DD thread... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 08:10:50 PM
sorry the misc. findings for DD thread ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: melisb on July 23, 2009, 08:12:12 PM
My broken record is stuck...I've said it a 1000 times and I do honestly hope I'm wrong but I still think KaraK is way too helpful!  Was there someone else at her house that night, on their way over and saw LB, now that you've linked all the weirdos to her?  I don't know but sumpin's fishy!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 23, 2009, 08:23:29 PM
Nancy Grace will have a report tonight. Probably at the end of the show for 5 minutes :roll:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 08:31:42 PM
actually I have not found kara related to the so's etc.  she is related to fleezy who is friends with wil phernetton who shares the same last name with the sex offender arrested out of montesaro. 

Wil is the one with the myspace space who has a photobucket named after the lyrics confessional rape which the lyrics are about raping and molesting kinds for lord satan. 

I am trying to see if wil is related to the sex offender arrested. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 23, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
I am still working over here where I can work better, just I have to keep all my stuff where I can find it etc.  I am an organize freak LOL... but I have to do that to remember this stuff and find it, so I am over here working on stuff and keeping it all in categories etc. 

Feel free to use the info to help you guys research.  I don't mind at all

but I have to spend most my time over here trying to look up stuff, sort it, and put it together. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 09:02:18 PM
Nancy Grace will have a report tonight. Probably at the end of the show for 5 minutes :roll:
that is so "bomb-shell"..not! LOL but at the same time :(... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 09:43:36 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729
This is not him. I have seen this gut around town a few times on a regulare basis. I cant remember where but I am working on finding out who he is. i have one girlfriend  that knows everyone in our county practicly, but she wont be home from vacation till Sunday. I will be sure to get on it. But I know i can picture the front his face in my head and its not smiley.. Just to help you out..  :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729
This is not him. I have seen this gut around town a few times on a regulare basis. I cant remember where but I am working on finding out who he is. i have one girlfriend  that knows everyone in our county practicly, but she wont be home from vacation till Sunday. I will be sure to get on it. But I know i can picture the front his face in my head and its not smiley.. Just to help you out..  :)
i had some weird dreams and posted them on the info for dd thread...can you read it and see if anything rings a bell to you....they Are just dreams, but if your in the area does any of it hold any meaning..or is it just the cheese? ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 09:54:38 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.
Hi MadiBabe
Can you please tell us the name of this church in McCleary?And the pastor's and/or pastor's son's names?
The church is in elma.
Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma

Write a review
427 West Main St
Elma, WA 98541

(360) 310-0577‎
(360) 292-8878‎ - Mobile
(360) 861-8298‎ - Fax
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 23, 2009, 09:57:14 PM
Here's an alarming part of the case-- the little girl's mom knew Smiley only 2 weeks before she began allowing him to baby sit her.  And she kept allowing him to baby sit her even after she cried and cried, begging her not to.   ::MonkeyWaa::
That so called Mama should be locked up right along with smiley,for endangering her child.
You said it. I was thinking it. Applause to you ::MonkeyDance::KarmaRoundUp  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 10:05:29 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.
Hi MadiBabe
Can you please tell us the name of this church in McCleary?And the pastor's and/or pastor's son's names?
The church is in elma.
Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma

Write a review
427 West Main St
Elma, WA 98541

(360) 310-0577‎
(360) 292-8878‎ - Mobile
(360) 861-8298‎ - Fax
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/
just looked at the site...why only men???  sorry i have issues with men only outreach...and then seeing a chick in capri pants singing along with them....call me whatever but come on,  that is disturbing and i don't buy any of it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 10:08:43 PM
sheesh god loves men with motorcycles and women wearing trucker hats.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 10:17:34 PM
ya'll gotta check this out...CREEPY ::MonkeyConfused::
Quote
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 10:23:17 PM
Quote
Outreach has always been the Heartbeat of our Ministry. We are involved with the Friday Night Feed in Tacoma. We host a feed in Shelton on Thursday nights. We send teams to Aberdeen as often as possible. Pastor Mike, Pastor Randy and Jeff Thomas just returned from New Orleans where they had been doing outreach at Marti-Gras. We are being sent to share the Good News. Those who will receive the Good News are offered a safe place to come in from the storm.
 
Our focus is on Christ and to mentor the family of men in our program as they build a new relationship with God.  We teach that spiritual maturity is not how well we behave or how many good things we do, but rather, how God's perspective of life has increasingly become our perspective of life. With past hurts and false belief systems Satan's strategy is to pervert reality and truth. Our perceptions and or bitterroot judgments, have become deceptions. We need to allow the Holy Spirit to transform our perspective to God's perspective.
 
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 23, 2009, 10:24:42 PM
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We teach that spiritual maturity is not how well we behave or how many good things we do, but rather, how God's perspective of life has increasingly become our perspective of life. With past hurts and false belief systems Satan's strategy is to pervert reality and truth.
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
Posted by DD on another thread on this site:In all fairness it is assumed "William Jay Roundtree has changed his ways and now is a Christian.  He is living and preaching at the church in Elma. 
Northwest Life Center
 215 N. 3rd street
Elma, Wa"   

Additionally, it is not unusual in some Baptist churches that there are no women in leadership and there are a lot of men's fellowship groups.  I did not find the Pastor Brown nor his church nor the Set Free church listed in the directory I was using for the Baptist Church.  Doesn't mean it doesn't exist, just means I couldn't find it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:11:37 PM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.
Hi MadiBabe
Can you please tell us the name of this church in McCleary?And the pastor's and/or pastor's son's names?
The church is in elma.
Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma

Write a review
427 West Main St
Elma, WA 98541

(360) 310-0577‎
(360) 292-8878‎ - Mobile
(360) 861-8298‎ - Fax
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/
just looked at the site...why only men???  sorry i have issues with men only outreach...and then seeing a chick in capri pants singing along with them....call me whatever but come on,  that is disturbing and i don't buy any of it.

Well, it is a men's outreach program.  What if many of them are sex offenders, do you want them intergrated with women?  Think about it!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
Quote
We teach that spiritual maturity is not how well we behave or how many good things we do, but rather, how God's perspective of life has increasingly become our perspective of life. With past hurts and false belief systems Satan's strategy is to pervert reality and truth.
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Misunderstanding why you are quoting the web page without comments.  What is your prespecitve on what they mean here?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 23, 2009, 11:43:02 PM
ya'll gotta check this out...CREEPY ::MonkeyConfused::
Quote
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/

Mama, this site was already posted, do you have a point here?  You are reposting a site already posted, and then are making irrational comments. 
Are you just trying to increase your posts, or do you really read and understand?  I suggest you go back and read from the beginning of the thread. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 11:53:16 PM
AZSunny, on post #940 -- the pic of the guys fingers, do you have a guess what would cause those markings?  I first thought mechanic until they were enlarged.  Or do you think it is just the photo itself.  I don't know why it is causing me to scratch my head?  Just appears unusual.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 24, 2009, 12:21:01 AM
okay here is the photo of the guy in the link of the previous post. 

first look at his hand in the this photo, I thought it looked like maybe he had a tattoo across his fingers
 
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guy1.jpg)

but look a little closer, if that is a tattoo some of it is way up his fingers almost to his knuckles

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumguyhand1.jpg)

but look at this one when I change the brightness and contrast.  I did not change the color etc.  now the different discoloration in the photo looks like cuts? scrapes?

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-guyhand2.jpg)


http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=130551167&albumID=665970&imageID=1282729
This is not him. I have seen this gut around town a few times on a regulare basis. I cant remember where but I am working on finding out who he is. i have one girlfriend  that knows everyone in our county practicly, but she wont be home from vacation till Sunday. I will be sure to get on it. But I know i can picture the front his face in my head and its not smiley.. Just to help you out..  :)

It looks like cuts/scrapes/bruises or dirt to me and not tattoos.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 24, 2009, 12:30:09 AM
AZSunny, on post #940 -- the pic of the guys fingers, do you have a guess what would cause those markings?  I first thought mechanic until they were enlarged.  Or do you think it is just the photo itself.  I don't know why it is causing me to scratch my head?  Just appears unusual.

I agree with Klaas, it looks like a "working man's hands"  that are not well cared for. They appear to be dirt and bruises, but I do not think they are tattoos.  Your guess of a mechanic would be what I am seeing.  who knows?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 12:38:23 AM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 
OMG OMG OMG  I cant believe I didnt put that together. I live up the road  not even a half mile. Smileys dairy My kids have been there on field trips.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 12:40:31 AM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 
They live in a house on the dairy farm. In elma. What do you need me to do?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 12:50:57 AM
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Outreach has always been the Heartbeat of our Ministry. We are involved with the Friday Night Feed in Tacoma. We host a feed in Shelton on Thursday nights. We send teams to Aberdeen as often as possible. Pastor Mike, Pastor Randy and Jeff Thomas just returned from New Orleans where they had been doing outreach at Marti-Gras. We are being sent to share the Good News. Those who will receive the Good News are offered a safe place to come in from the storm.
 
Our focus is on Christ and to mentor the family of men in our program as they build a new relationship with God.  We teach that spiritual maturity is not how well we behave or how many good things we do, but rather, how God's perspective of life has increasingly become our perspective of life. With past hurts and false belief systems Satan's strategy is to pervert reality and truth. Our perceptions and or bitterroot judgments, have become deceptions. We need to allow the Holy Spirit to transform our perspective to God's perspective.
 
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused::
There is a diffrence in true outreach and using outreach as a shield. I am sure your outreach does not take donated items and keep what you want for yourself before handing to the needy. Outreaches like this give good ones  a bad name


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 24, 2009, 02:09:06 AM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 

Sorry if anyone has already said this but when I entered the email address the adam used on the guestbook to search for a profile, it brought up a page for an Adam Lee Campbell who is 31. I googled that name and it brought up a link saying the registered sex offender that is 31 from Washington is an Adam Lee Campbell. Same age and middle name!

http://www.myspace.com/456403334


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:01:01 AM
Got a facebook message today. Asking if I was Lora Dockery from elma wa on  s monkeys.  and if I was they just wanted to let me know they got 13 trojan viruses from that site or the ws site.  kinda strange how they looked up my name and the city I live in and im on s Monkeys ..........................scratching my head..........


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:22:30 AM
One more thing .. I searched adam campbells email address as well  and found record for him in cosmopolis wa 31 years of age. Is this where he is listed as living?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 04:11:34 AM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 


Do you think Dallas Smiley could be a female?

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2508/79984788.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/79984788.jpg/)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 04:17:58 AM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 


Do you think Dallas Smiley could be a female?

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2508/79984788.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/79984788.jpg/)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx)
I do believe it is the wife yes but i could check to make sure if you like


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 24, 2009, 07:36:35 AM
The adam campbell ramblings on the guestbook are bot/spam postings.
similar postings including 'infroamtion"

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22registered+nurse+infroamtion%22+guestbook&hl=en&start=0&sa=N


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 09:03:05 AM
sorry for so many posts in a row. I just thought I would tell you that the guy that I think hit and ran my car 's name is Mark (cant remember the last name) he is a construction company owner that built the houses out by the railroad tracks where they were searching the other day around Larson and 108. He is known to be a drunk at the bars every night. I mean every night too.  He is like 6'4" or something. He lived in Mccleary at the time he hit my car with his gf right past the place the built the homes around Elma hickland road. When I was investigating him I was told by a few bartenders he was a creep. I wander if this is the same drunk mark that someone talked to at the bar?  I stopped trying to catch him when my daughter came home from sick from school one day and it turned out she had an appendicitis. She was rushed in for surgery and thats when I asked myself if me spending all my time finding the guy who wrecked my car was more important that my family... I gave up at that point. anyway if it is the same guy he has some common denominators .
Lives in mccleary
drunk
not above breaking the law
built homes in the area
for some reason the city was fighting him about building and he had to stop
he was known to have money problems
He might be the drunk mark????

Is the drunk Mark that you are thinking of also Mark "Feeser" the SO?  Also, doesn't the people who attend the chuch in McCleary called "New Harvest" or something along that line that are a group of sex offenders build houses for a contracter locally?

Thanks for the question... No mark that I am speaking of is not Feeser. Im trying to get his last nem but its been so long ago. . The church people in town athat houses felons fresh out of prision do jobs like teat down old homes clear land, and of that nature. I remember years ago when my son was about 14., he came home from that church after I told him he could not go  to that building. It was around Christmas time and he told me that the Sunshine kids delivered huge amounts of presants to them. He then told me that the pastor and his son took them upstairs to there appartment and he watched the two open all of them. Taking everything good and rewrapping them to give the rest to the people in the church. I found that dishonest and forbid him from ever going there and seeing them again. There was a time not too long after that My son was grounded for getting mouthy and and not comming home on time. He then ran away. He wasnt gone 1 hour and I was outside that church banging on the door. They would not open the door. I called and the paster finaly picked up the phone. I told him that if he had my son inside his church I was going to call the police as I do not approve of the people that frequent his church or the way he runs it. He promiced me my son was not there.  so i went to the police dept. when I was leaving the police dept my son was waiting outside for me. HI took him home and he told me that he was there and they had him leave.  Now I ask you what man of god would keep a boy who had ran away from home in his establishment and lie after a mother comes and asks if he is there? It took my treats of calling the police. So in my opinion the man and the ones who follow him are not trying to better there lifes and make a diffrence. They are using god as a shield from what there really about. This is why I brought your attention to this place. Sorry for jabbering on and on lol.
Hi MadiBabe
Can you please tell us the name of this church in McCleary?And the pastor's and/or pastor's son's names?
The church is in elma.
Set Free Christian Fellowship of Elma

Write a review
427 West Main St
Elma, WA 98541

(360) 310-0577‎
(360) 292-8878‎ - Mobile
(360) 861-8298‎ - Fax
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/
Ahh,it's in Elma
That's why I was confused,thank you MadiBabe


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 09:24:53 AM
ya'll gotta check this out...CREEPY ::MonkeyConfused::
Quote
http://hstrial-mtallman.homestead.com/
Yes,I remember this church now.Wonder why no breaking of bread since 2008?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 24, 2009, 10:36:29 AM



Do you think Dallas Smiley could be a female?

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2508/79984788.jpg) (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/79984788.jpg/)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx)
[/quote] I do believe it is the wife yes but i could check to make sure if you like
[/quote]
"
Good Morning,  Yes Dallas Smiley is a female.  I got a mail from a friend who has lived in the area for a long time, and she says about her:

" . . . .She married into the Smiley family (they own a large dairy farm between Elma and Malone). I cannot for the life of me remember her husbands name. His parents, I believe, own the dairy farm. Last I heard (about 10 years ago) she was living in one of the houses on the farm with her husband and child and worked at the farm."

Let's hope today is the day Lindsey is found.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 11:45:57 AM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 24, 2009, 11:58:43 AM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.

And if you feel comfortable doing so, please take your cameras.  Crowd shots may be important.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 12:27:08 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.

And if you feel comfortable doing so, please take your cameras.  Crowd shots may be important.  JMO
I agree AZSunny
With there being no media,hints,clues coming out of McCleary,maybe the FBI wanted this vigil set up for just that reason....checking out the crowd.We can only hope.I wonder if Lindsey's Mama ever contacted Tim Miller from Equusearch.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 24, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
PHERNETTON, RICHARD ALLEN

Book-No Statute:   10.88.320 - Fugitive From Justice Other St
173193 Offense:   SOFF - Sex Offense
 Arrest Type:   PC
Booked  Charging Agency:   MPD-Montesano Police Department
7/20/2009 21:00  Court:   -
   Bail Amount:   No Bail 
 Disposition:   PA-Pre-Arraignment
     


What do you Monkeys think?

STEADFAST 
Registered User
07-19-2009, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by scandi 
HOT OFF THE LIPS OF Ms Voss


I decided to call the ORV park and got some hot news. developing story

<snipped>

I asked if Fonda Voss was the caretaker of the ORV Park and she said , No, that's me. She would have no reason to lie.

<snipped>

She proceeded too tell me they are now without a caretaker as the previous one was let go about a week ago. I asked her who that was and she said Allen. Towards the end of our convo I came back to Allen and asked his last name. She said it is a hard name to remember, opened up her mind and said it is either Meihoff or Lamhoff, or something similar.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=3971553

What am I not getting?

Other than the name Allen ... what makes Monkeys believe this may be the same person.

1.  The registry implies the last name is ALLEN.

2.  The current caretaker implies the first name is ALLEN.

3.  There does not seem to be a connection with the other names.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

we all just want Lindsey home..

I was just looking thru some back posts trying to connect some dots and this jumped out at me because the name "Fonda" is NOT a common name. 

Posted by DoubleDecker on 7/12/09 (Pg 9)

On May 5,2005, the defendant was living in a motor home with his girlfriend, Fonda Dent, next to the house owned by his nephews Michael and James Feeser. Brian Sheets, the 7 victim, also lived or, the premises in a smal! travel traiier. The defendant was apparently related to the victim by mamage and had known the victim for a number of years. The two men had lived together from time-to-time in the past. Some time around 4 p.m. or shortly thereafter on May 5,2005, the victim shouted from the house out to the motor home that the defendant owed him $50. The defendant disputed the amount of the debt and left the motor home and went into the house where an argument began between the two men. The argument was still going on when Michael Feeser anived home from work at approximately 4:30 p.m. that afternoon. The argument escalated from a loud argument to a physical confrontation as Michael Feeser entered the house. Michael Feeser saw the victim and the defendant at each other's throats in the kitchen area of the house and immediately got between the two men in an attempt to break it up. In the course of breaking up the physical fight, Michael Feeser got hit once in the head around the eye by the victim. Michael Feeser was certain that the blow was not intended for him but had been aimed the defendant. Neither the defendant or the victim were armed. Michael Feeser told the two of them to "knock it off or get out of his house and off his property." The defendant then left the house and Michael Feeser continued to talk to the victim in the kitchen area. The defendant then returned with a sawed-off shotgun and declared that the victim "didn't know who he was f-ing with" and that "I could kill you." Michael Feeser again interceded to calm the situation down and then went into his room to change out of his work clothes. A short time later after he had changed his clothes, as he was coming out of his STATEMENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -2- H. STEWARD MENEFEE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY GRAYS HARBOR COUNT{ COURNOUSE 102 VEST BROADWAY ROOM 702 UONTESANO VIASHINGTON 98563
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$ bedroom, he heard a gunshot coming from the living room area of the house. Michael Feeser ran ) down the hallway into the living room where he saw the defendant standing holding a sawed-off 1 .4 10 shotgun and he saw the victim lying on the porch just outside the doorway. As Michael 7 Feeser was coming down the hallway into the living room, he saw Fonda Dent in the living room 3 and heard her say words to the effect, "Oh my God, he shot him." Michael Feeser then ran over and saw a large apparent gunshot wound the victim's chest and blood on the floor just inside the doorway and on the porch. It was clear to Michael Feeser that the victim, Brian Sheets, was dead. Michael Feeser then left, driving directly into McCleary where he flagged down a McCleary police officer and reported the shooting. Shortly after Michael Feeser left, the defendant slapped Fonda Dent and told her to calm down and threatened to kill her and her family if she told anyone about the shooting. The defendant then gave Fonda Dent the shotgun and told her to put it up in the Oldsmobile. While she was doing that, the defendant got a plastic tarp and covered the body on the porch. Shortly after this took place, Marjorie Feeser arrived unexpectedly while the defendant was attempting to hose off the porch area to wash the blood away. Fonda Dent asked Marjorie Feeser to take her into McCleary to the bank. They both left the residence and went into the town of McCleary. A few minutes after Marjorie Feeser left, Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived. When Hank and Ginger Feeser arrived, the defendant was still hosing down the porch and ramp area of the house to eliminate the blood. They asked the defendant what had taken place. The defendant told them there had been a fight and that he had busted Brian Sheets in the face, splitting open his nose and causing the large amount of blood that Hank and Ginger Feeser were observing on the porch and ramp area of the house. The defendant denied that there had been a shooting and told both Hank and Ginger Feeser that Michael Feeser and the victim had left the H. STEWARD hlENEFEE STATELVENT OF PROSECUTING ATTORNEY -3-
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premises. Hank and Ginger Feeser then left the premises and went back to their house on Church Road. Shortly after they left, the police arrived and placed the defendant into custody. The defendant initially told police officer that there had not been a shooting, that there simply had been a fight and that Brian Sheets had left walking away from the house through the backyard. As officers searched the premises, they discovered the body of Brian Sheets wrapped in plastic tarps in a wheelbarrow at the back of the house. Officers also discovered a .410 shotgun under the seat of an Oldsmobile located on the premises. Fonda Dent and Michael Feeser both identified the shotgun as being the shotgun the defendant had used to shoot the victim. An autopsy revealed that the victim had been killed by a single .410 gunshot wound to the chest, which had tom open his aorta and pulmonary artery, damaged the left lung and disintegrated one of the victim's ribs. The Washington State Patrol Crime Laboratory analysis estimated distance from muzzle to wound to be more than 1 foot and less than 3 feet, most probably somewhere about 2 feet in distance. The gun was so close to the victim's chest that the wadding from the shotgun shell was found embedded in the wound area
1.
   

My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 12:50:12 PM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 

Sorry if anyone has already said this but when I entered the email address the adam used on the guestbook to search for a profile, it brought up a page for an Adam Lee Campbell who is 31. I googled that name and it brought up a link saying the registered sex offender that is 31 from Washington is an Adam Lee Campbell. Same age and middle name!

http://www.myspace.com/456403334

thanks, I missed that... let me go look some more then.  wow so if this is the guy who posted on lindsey's guestbook, then for absolute certain this guy can speak and write English.. So this tells me for sure this is some kind of cryptic message. 

okay I have to go think about this a bit because I have more info about all this and if he is the 31 year old, is it him posting.  but if that email connects to something of the 31 yr old hmmm

where did it take you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 24, 2009, 12:59:31 PM
Consider the close proximity to McCleary ... I do believe that this monster needs to be considered a person of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet

++++++


Accused child molester arrested, feds say more victims likely
Story Published: Jul 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 22, 2009 at 7:12 AM PDT


SPANAWAY, Wash. -- Police here have arrested a man accused of molesting a 7-year-old girl, and detectives fear there may be additional victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley was arrested and charged on Tuesday with aggravated sexual abuse for assaulting a young girl on federal property.

Earlier this month the girl revealed that Smiley, 36, had molested her in the woods of the Fort Lewis Military Reservation near Spanaway, according to federal agents.

Investigators searched the publicly-accessible woods, and at two locations found camera equipment, children's clothes, toys, mattresses and sexual paraphernalia.

Parked nearby was Smiley's car, inside which investigators found computer equipment containing images of child pornography, including images of the 7-year-old girl.

"Given the amount of evidence that was found. the number of images, the children's clothing that was found, number of toys, the extent of the evidence, there's concern, certainly, that there could have been more than one child," said FBI spokesman Fred Gutt.

Smiley's adoptive sisters allege abuse

Prior to Smiley's arrest on Tuesday, an arrest warrant had been issued for Smiley for two counts of first-degree child molestation from a previous incident.

According to court documents, Smiley's own mother had accused him of sexually assaulting his two adoptive sisters between September 2006 and June 2007. The girls were 5 and 9 years old at the time.

The allegations first surfaced after the younger girl told her mother Smiley had acted strangely while babysitting her and her sister overnight on July 12, 2008. The girl said Smiley exposed himself, touched her genitals and took pictures of her naked, the documents said.

When interviewed by detectives, however, the girl, whom detectives described as "developmentally delayed," did not disclose any abuse.

The 5-year-old girl reported a similar incident to her mother a month later. The mother then asked her 9-year-old daughter whether she had any similar encounters.

Prosecutors said the older girl burst into tears and said Smiley had touched her when she spent a night at his house in the fourth grade.

While watching a movie, the girl said Smiley told her he'd "show her what boyfriends do," instructed her to take her clothes off, then touched her, according to the documents. The next day Smiley told her not to tell anyone about the incident, the girl said.


Smiley was arrested in February, then released on his own recognizance. He was scheduled to stand trial in August.  

However, an arrest warrant was issued when he broke a condition of his release by moving in with a woman and her young child earlier this year. Smiley had been instructed to have no contact with minor children and to stay away from school grounds or playgrounds.

Records indicate Smiley has a 4-year-old daughter of his own, who has been placed under the care of her grandfather residing in another state.

The mandatory minimum sentence for an aggravated sexual abuse conviction is 30 years in prison.

Anyone with information or concerns about the possible victimization of a child is asked to contact the FBI by calling (206) 622-0460 or by e-mailing detectives.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html
 


I do not have time to catch up right now.  However ... I am curious to know if all this research by Monkeys have determined if the Smileys of McCleary have a connection to Jeffrey R. Smiley.  I would appreciate being filled in.  Thanks.

Could Jeffrey R. Smiley have been visiting McCleary on the evening of June 26, 2009 and ... had a chance encounter with Lindsey?

Could Linsey have known Jeffrey R. Smiley?  What age is his daughter?

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
I have been working on the smiley connections with elma, shelton and Mccleary.  so far found no connection with immediate familiy, will have to go back to see if a cousin or second cousin etc... which is still a very close connection to family to visit, but it takes going back to the grandparents (ugh) to figure that out and have not had time to do all that work yet. 

I have went through all the immediate names with show up with all the different families and there are not matches YET and I have went trough all the names listed.  but I am still looking, but at this point it is not going to be something I can do in a few minutes. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 24, 2009, 01:14:39 PM
Consider the close proximity to McCleary ... I do believe that this monster needs to be considered a person of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet

++++++


Accused child molester arrested, feds say more victims likely
Story Published: Jul 21, 2009 at 4:22 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 22, 2009 at 7:12 AM PDT


SPANAWAY, Wash. -- Police here have arrested a man accused of molesting a 7-year-old girl, and detectives fear there may be additional victims.

Jeffrey R. Smiley was arrested and charged on Tuesday with aggravated sexual abuse for assaulting a young girl on federal property.

Earlier this month the girl revealed that Smiley, 36, had molested her in the woods of the Fort Lewis Military Reservation near Spanaway, according to federal agents.

Investigators searched the publicly-accessible woods, and at two locations found camera equipment, children's clothes, toys, mattresses and sexual paraphernalia.

Parked nearby was Smiley's car, inside which investigators found computer equipment containing images of child pornography, including images of the 7-year-old girl.

"Given the amount of evidence that was found. the number of images, the children's clothing that was found, number of toys, the extent of the evidence, there's concern, certainly, that there could have been more than one child," said FBI spokesman Fred Gutt.

Smiley's adoptive sisters allege abuse

Prior to Smiley's arrest on Tuesday, an arrest warrant had been issued for Smiley for two counts of first-degree child molestation from a previous incident.

According to court documents, Smiley's own mother had accused him of sexually assaulting his two adoptive sisters between September 2006 and June 2007. The girls were 5 and 9 years old at the time.

The allegations first surfaced after the younger girl told her mother Smiley had acted strangely while babysitting her and her sister overnight on July 12, 2008. The girl said Smiley exposed himself, touched her genitals and took pictures of her naked, the documents said.

When interviewed by detectives, however, the girl, whom detectives described as "developmentally delayed," did not disclose any abuse.

The 5-year-old girl reported a similar incident to her mother a month later. The mother then asked her 9-year-old daughter whether she had any similar encounters.

Prosecutors said the older girl burst into tears and said Smiley had touched her when she spent a night at his house in the fourth grade.

While watching a movie, the girl said Smiley told her he'd "show her what boyfriends do," instructed her to take her clothes off, then touched her, according to the documents. The next day Smiley told her not to tell anyone about the incident, the girl said.


Smiley was arrested in February, then released on his own recognizance. He was scheduled to stand trial in August.  

However, an arrest warrant was issued when he broke a condition of his release by moving in with a woman and her young child earlier this year. Smiley had been instructed to have no contact with minor children and to stay away from school grounds or playgrounds.

Records indicate Smiley has a 4-year-old daughter of his own, who has been placed under the care of her grandfather residing in another state.

The mandatory minimum sentence for an aggravated sexual abuse conviction is 30 years in prison.

Anyone with information or concerns about the possible victimization of a child is asked to contact the FBI by calling (206) 622-0460 or by e-mailing detectives.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51352512.html
 


I do not have time to catch up right now.  However ... I am curious to know if all this research by Monkeys have determined if the Smileys of McCleary have a connection to Jeffrey R. Smiley.  I would appreciate being filled in.  Thanks.

Could Jeffrey R. Smiley have been visiting McCleary on the evening of June 26, 2009 and ... had a chance encounter with Lindsey?

Could Linsey have known Jeffrey R. Smiley?  What age is his daughter?

Janet




I dont know if this has been asked before but does anyone know if Josh talked to anyone on his way home.  Possibly relayed what had just happened in the fight about the bike and being sent home by ML.  Maybe upset and told someone who he could relate to (WW?)  That person might assume that Lindsey would be coming back from Kara's in that direction to pick up bike on her way home - and waited for her.  Remember the intent was to see if Kara's daughter could spend the night with Lindsey...not Lindsey stay at Kara's - that plan was changed on the way to Kara's house.  Josh may not have even known about the change of plans if they were thought up by the girls after the fight.  If I was Lindsey and my brother was mad at me I too would change my plans and see if I could stay at my friends house becuase the girls probably thought the fight would continue if they returned to Lindseys house.


Lindsey also knew if she didnt stop and pick up that bike, Josh would be mad at her since she is the one that took it there.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 01:16:16 PM


My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 



Steven L Voss - Fonda K Henley - Grays Harbor Marriage Records- This is the only record I found for Fonda Voss; so far
Record Series:
Marriage Records

Collection:
Grays Harbor Marriage Records   

County:
Grays Harbor

document number:
swgrhmc49662

groom's name:
Steven L Voss

bride's name:
Fonda K Henley

marriage date:
3/14/1997 12:00:00 AM

county :
Grays Harbor

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=7E4523DC789902896C982892A02D8696


I also found a Fonda Dent, this is the only record I found
in Washington that has this name...so this is weird..lol




return address 1:
FONDA DENT

return address 2:
618 W SPOFFORD # 3

return address 3:
SPOKANE, WA 99205

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=EBF7736917A250BDF6AEA23474661953


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 24, 2009, 01:24:01 PM
Adam Lee Campbell
DOB 1978-FEB-23
CAMPBELL, ADAM LEE, M, 190e APT, N 1ST ST, YAKIMA
Registered to Vote in Yakima 2006-NOV-02
http://usefulwork.com/cgi-bin/wavoterdb.cgi?svid=WA001936844


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 24, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
I have been working on the smiley connections with elma, shelton and Mccleary.  so far found no connection with immediate familiy, will have to go back to see if a cousin or second cousin etc... which is still a very close connection to family to visit, but it takes going back to the grandparents (ugh) to figure that out and have not had time to do all that work yet. 

I have went through all the immediate names with show up with all the different families and there are not matches YET and I have went trough all the names listed.  but I am still looking, but at this point it is not going to be something I can do in a few minutes. 

Thanks doubledecker

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 01:25:18 PM
The only Jeffery R Smiley I found in marriage


Record Series:
 Marriage Records
Collection:
 Pierce Marriage Records   
County:
 Pierce

auditor file number:
 200404026002-0

document type:
 Marriage Certificate

recording date:
 4/2/2004


county:
 Pierce
groom's name:
SMILEY JEFFREY RICHARD

bride's name:
FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE

marriage date:
 03/29/2004


http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=9FBC3C102D1940B3D1B4202920FA7229


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 01:26:06 PM
Hi DD!!! Miss ya!!!..lol

And hello other sweet monkeys!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 24, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
The only Jeffery R Smiley I found in marriage


Record Series:
 Marriage Records
Collection:
 Pierce Marriage Records   
County:
 Pierce

auditor file number:
 200404026002-0

document type:
 Marriage Certificate

recording date:
 4/2/2004


county:
 Pierce
groom's name:
SMILEY JEFFREY RICHARD

bride's name:
FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE

marriage date:
 03/29/2004


http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=9FBC3C102D1940B3D1B4202920FA7229

Thanks love4ever/

I wonder where "FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE" now reside.  Apparently a child was born of this relationship.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 01:47:09 PM
Hi, I'm still around, just working over here so I can keep stuff where I can find it LOL.  but I read


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 01:55:51 PM
Hi, I'm still around, just working over here so I can keep stuff where I can find it LOL.  but I read

Hey DD.. my mind wanders and I am not so organized..lol...But I do, in brief,
need to know who we are trying to connect, i don't have some much patience
so I briefly scan names and search. Adam Campbell is hard to find in reference
to who he is and where he resides; is that what we are looking for first and foremost?...DD, Gimme the most important reference we need to search right now and I will try. I am happy to see you around!! As I have always said you are great in research and putting it all together!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 01:56:45 PM
Hi, I'm still around, just working over here so I can keep stuff where I can find it LOL.  but I read

Off the topic DD, did you see my finding in cll and connie getting married in Reno??..LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 01:57:49 PM
The only Jeffery R Smiley I found in marriage


Record Series:
 Marriage Records
Collection:
 Pierce Marriage Records   
County:
 Pierce

auditor file number:
 200404026002-0

document type:
 Marriage Certificate

recording date:
 4/2/2004


county:
 Pierce
groom's name:
SMILEY JEFFREY RICHARD

bride's name:
FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE

marriage date:
 03/29/2004


http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=9FBC3C102D1940B3D1B4202920FA7229

Thanks love4ever/

I wonder where "FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE" now reside.  Apparently a child was born of this relationship.

Janet


I'm in the middle of something else right now but perhaps this will help your search


FINKHOUSE, ALLEN RICHARD (Age 73)

Associated names:

 FINKHOUSE, ALINE R
  TACOMA, WA
BOISE, ID


 Possible Relatives:

FINKHOUSE, ROSEMARIE (Age 72)
FINKHOUSE, LISA ANNE (Age 38)
FINKHOUSE, ALINE RAE (Age 37)
FINKHOUSE, MARC ALLEN (Age 36)






 FINKHOUSE, ALINE RAE (Age 37)

Associated names:

SMITH, ALINE R
TACOMA, WA
KUNA, ID
RUSTON, WA
PUYALLUP, WA
GRAHAM, WA
BOISE, ID
EDGEWOOD, WA
 


Possible Relatives:

FINKHOUSE, LISA ANNE (Age 38)
FINKHOUSE, ALLEN RICHARD (Age 73)
FINKHOUSE, ROSEMARIE (Age 72)
BRADFORD, MELANIE JO (Age 43)
SMITH, GARRY EUGENE (Age 53)
SMITH, TRACY LEE (Age 46)
SMITH, JULIE ANN (Age 46)
SMITH, TRACY L (Age 46)
FINKHOUSE, MARC ALLEN (Age 36)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DEGEETER, LAURA LYNN (Age 48)
SOTIROS, CHRISTINA DALIA (Age 33)
HYMAN, CAROLYN A (Age 31)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Name: Allen R Finkhouse
Birth Date: Aug 1935
Phone Number: xxxxxEdit: delete phone number
Address: 2002 S Curtis Ci, Boise, Idaho 83705-0801 (1993)
[None, Boise, Idaho 83705-0301 (1985)]
[9020 S Ash, Tacoma, Washington 98444] 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:00:21 PM
ugh I got a phone # in the previous post

Fixed.  MB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 02:00:40 PM


Thanks love4ever/

I wonder where "FINKHOUSE ALINE RAE" now reside.  Apparently a child was born of this relationship.

Janet

[/quote]


You are welcome Janet...This is all I have researched for now...

2. FINKHOUSE, ALINE RAE (Age 37)

Associated names:

 SMITH, ALINE R


City, State

TACOMA, WA
KUNA, ID
RUSTON, WA
PUYALLUP, WA
GRAHAM, WA
BOISE, ID
EDGEWOOD, W

Possible Relatives:


FINKHOUSE, LISA ANNE (Age 38)
FINKHOUSE, ALLEN RICHARD (Age 73)
FINKHOUSE, ROSEMARIE (Age 72)
BRADFORD, MELANIE JO (Age 43)
SMITH, GARRY EUGENE (Age 53)
SMITH, TRACY LEE (Age 46)
SMITH, JULIE ANN (Age 46)
SMITH, TRACY L (Age 46)
FINKHOUSE, MARC ALLEN (Age 36)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

DEGEETER, LAURA LYNN (Age 48)
SOTIROS, CHRISTINA DALIA (Age 33)
HYMAN, CAROLYN A (Age 31)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:20:35 PM
I am trying to find the address in Mccleary that connects to Dallas smiley. po box 34 mccleary  
Here is Dallas Smiley, she is married to Harold S Smiley of the Elma Smiley Dairy.

 County:  Grays Harbor
groom's name: Harold Stan Smiley
bride's name: Dallas Lorene Schneider
marriage date: 3/17/1991 12:00:00 AM
county : Grays Harbor, Washington

we need the street address. in MCCLEARY

I am trying to hook the jeffrey Richard Smiley family to the McCleary/Elma/ Shelton McCleary families.  or NOT hook them one.. but if they hook, then good chance Jeffrey Richard Smiley could have been in Mccleary, or have seen Lindsey in Elma.



All my Smiley info is here
Work thread
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/jeffrey-smiley-in-spanaway-adam-campbell-in-spanaway-hmmmm-t222.html
reference thread
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/jeffrey-richard-smiley-arrested-so-ever-in-mccleary-t223.html

use whatever you need to help you





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:24:41 PM
The adam campbell ramblings on the guestbook are bot/spam postings.
similar postings including 'infroamtion"

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22registered+nurse+infroamtion%22+guestbook&hl=en&start=0&sa=N

I saw that too, but they aren't .  Believe me, I KNOW for a fact they are not. 
that IP does run a lot of spam posts but this is a real live person talking.  I can't say how I know, but I do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 24, 2009, 02:31:10 PM
doubledecker, love4ever and others.

Your computer research skills are incredible.

Thank you.

Off for the day.

Janet
11:30 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:45:13 PM
One more thing .. I searched adam campbells email address as well  and found record for him in cosmopolis wa 31 years of age. Is this where he is listed as living?

thats good, he is registered in yakima, but do you have the address in cosmopolis?  I'll use that to get the others


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:49:19 PM
Name: Dallas L Schneider
Address: Pob 348, McCleary, Washington 98557-0101 (1991)
[150 N Blockhouse Rd, Elma, Washington 98541-1101 (1989)] 

 box 34 is an error in the other record and should have been box 348? 

working on this now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:53:55 PM
its Dallas' family in Mccleary. 

trying to find the addresses now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 02:55:59 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 02:58:03 PM
here's one

and I saw that odonell address with something else I was looking at a couple of days ago

Loleta Schneider
Address: 25 Odonnell Av, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1989)
[Pob 885, Elma, Washington 98541-0301 (1986)]
[Pob 348n, McCleary, Washington 98557] 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:05:34 PM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 

Sorry if anyone has already said this but when I entered the email address the adam used on the guestbook to search for a profile, it brought up a page for an Adam Lee Campbell who is 31. I googled that name and it brought up a link saying the registered sex offender that is 31 from Washington is an Adam Lee Campbell. Same age and middle name!

http://www.myspace.com/456403334

thanks, I missed that... let me go look some more then.  wow so if this is the guy who posted on lindsey's guestbook, then for absolute certain this guy can speak and write English.. So this tells me for sure this is some kind of cryptic message. 

okay I have to go think about this a bit because I have more info about all this and if he is the 31 year old, is it him posting.  but if that email connects to something of the 31 yr old hmmm

where did it take you?
http://www.myspace.com/456403334
I put the exact email addy in that he used in the post... with the 65 on the end of his name and this came up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 03:13:15 PM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 

Sorry if anyone has already said this but when I entered the email address the adam used on the guestbook to search for a profile, it brought up a page for an Adam Lee Campbell who is 31. I googled that name and it brought up a link saying the registered sex offender that is 31 from Washington is an Adam Lee Campbell. Same age and middle name!

http://www.myspace.com/456403334

thanks, I missed that... let me go look some more then.  wow so if this is the guy who posted on lindsey's guestbook, then for absolute certain this guy can speak and write English.. So this tells me for sure this is some kind of cryptic message. 

okay I have to go think about this a bit because I have more info about all this and if he is the 31 year old, is it him posting.  but if that email connects to something of the 31 yr old hmmm

where did it take you?
http://www.myspace.com/456403334
I put the exact email addy in that he used in the post... with the 65 on the end of his name and this came up.

hmmm wow I still can't get it to come up with that email,
do I have the email wrong LOL

what exactly are you putting in the google bar?  LOL
why can't I get that to work


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:13:57 PM
here's one

and I saw that odonell address with something else I was looking at a couple of days ago

Loleta Schneider
Address: 25 Odonnell Av, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1989)
[Pob 885, Elma, Washington 98541-0301 (1986)]
[Pob 348n, McCleary, Washington 98557] 

Hey dd  That is next to my husbands mill the one I told you about where the feesers used to own a home on odonnell ave years ago. The area is icky. I used tpo live there 10 years ago. I know it very very well.  please ask anything you like about this area. I can also go there somewhat un noticed as my husband has worked there over 20 years and the only way in or out  is threw the mill parking lot.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
one more thing..

in the email on the lindsey guestbook for this adam campbell guy(the weird poster), his email has a 65 in it.  Other posters have thought this was probably his year of birth which does not match the first adam campbell we dug up/the sex offender one who is 31...

but I looked more and there is one who does match that birth year, he is also adam campbell and he is from spanaway where jeffrey richard Smiley is...and...this adam campbell is listed with a forrest Smiley.  I am comparing them all now to see if they are connected/related to jeffrey richard smiley.  if so... why are they posting weird posts on the lindsey guestbook? 

this might not be at all what is happening, but it COULD be. 

I have been working on this trying to hook them up... also there are Smiley family in Elma, Shelton and McCleary. 

Elma one owns a dairy, I have all the info on that posted.
the one in McCleary is Dallas Smiley who also is listed in Elma  and is part of the dairy family.  but I cannot find a street address for this dallas Smiley in McCleary  but he is listed with that town, so he must have some address there.  I can't find it.

perhaps jessstar  can find the street address for Dallas Smiley in McCleary... see if he is near Lindsey...

I am still trying to see if they are related to jeffrey richard Smiley. 

the address in elma is the dairy 144 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD, elma and dallas is part of that family but his address in elma is 150 NORTH BLOCKHOUSE RD.  but we need the mccleary street address for him.   

I have all the other info on these people if you need it. 

Sorry if anyone has already said this but when I entered the email address the adam used on the guestbook to search for a profile, it brought up a page for an Adam Lee Campbell who is 31. I googled that name and it brought up a link saying the registered sex offender that is 31 from Washington is an Adam Lee Campbell. Same age and middle name!

http://www.myspace.com/456403334

thanks, I missed that... let me go look some more then.  wow so if this is the guy who posted on lindsey's guestbook, then for absolute certain this guy can speak and write English.. So this tells me for sure this is some kind of cryptic message. 

okay I have to go think about this a bit because I have more info about all this and if he is the 31 year old, is it him posting.  but if that email connects to something of the 31 yr old hmmm

where did it take you?
http://www.myspace.com/456403334
I put the exact email addy in that he used in the post... with the 65 on the end of his name and this came up.

hmmm wow I still can't get it to come up with that email,
do I have the email wrong LOL

what exactly are you putting in the google bar?  LOL
why can't I get that to work

   adamcampbell65@yahoo.com     Is the email address right as I typed it here ? when you go to myspace you will see a search box that says people. I typed it in there and it came up


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 24, 2009, 03:21:14 PM
There are actually two myspace pages associated with the name "Adam Lee Campbell." They are both 31 and listed as a pisces. The one that  comes up when you type in the email address does not have a picture, but the other one has the same photo that is used on the S.O. website. (I find that very weird) Also, when I was looking up S.O.'s from Washington by the name of Adam Lee Campbell, I got two matches. The pictures are the same person however it says one is from Yakima while the other is listed as "Non-compliant" and is listed as homeless in seattle. Both were convicted of child molestation on 11/21/1995


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 03:25:45 PM
here's one

and I saw that odonell address with something else I was looking at a couple of days ago

Loleta Schneider
Address: 25 Odonnell Av, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1989)
[Pob 885, Elma, Washington 98541-0301 (1986)]
[Pob 348n, McCleary, Washington 98557] 

Hey dd  That is next to my husbands mill the one I told you about where the feesers used to own a home on odonnell ave years ago. The area is icky. I used tpo live there 10 years ago. I know it very very well.  please ask anything you like about this area. I can also go there somewhat un noticed as my husband has worked there over 20 years and the only way in or out  is threw the mill parking lot.

you have to go through the mill parking lot to get to Odonnell Ave?

do you know if the schneiders lived there when the feesers lived there.  how big is that road/how many houses?   do you think the feesers know or married into this family?  just asking random questions, no reason. 

can you go see if there is a white house there? LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:26:26 PM
There are actually two myspace pages associated with the name "Adam Lee Campbell." They are both 31 and listed as a pisces. The one that  comes up when you type in the email address does not have a picture, but the other one has the same photo that is used on the S.O. website. (I find that very weird) Also, when I was looking up S.O.'s from Washington by the name of Adam Lee Campbell, I got two matches. The pictures are the same person however it says one is from Yakima while the other is listed as "Non-compliant" and is listed as homeless in seattle. Both were convicted of child molestation on 11/21/1995
Yes your right.. I spent many hours trying to see if the photo's where the same person last nigh. I was seeing stars by the time I was done LOL I do not think the one with the photos is the same on myspace as the one i was compairing had the name adam camp so i was probably so tired i was way off thinking i was on to something. You know what I mean fellow monkeys? LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 03:32:48 PM
Smileys married in Elma by pastor from Faith Lutheran Church.
From their website:
Pastors who have served: Orville R. Kleppe, 1960-1967; Roy Johnson, 1967-1973; Elvin G. Borg, 1974-1979; A. Virgil Wood, 1980-1983; Paul R. Hermansen, 1983-1987; Manley Hellenson (interim), 1987-1988; Tengesdahl (interim), Jan 1988-May 1988; Walter Klockers,1988-1998; Richard Knutzen (interim) 1998-1999; Angela Renecker 1999 (installed Jan. 2000)-to present.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
here's one

and I saw that odonell address with something else I was looking at a couple of days ago

Loleta Schneider
Address: 25 Odonnell Av, McCleary, Washington 98557-1201 (1989)
[Pob 885, Elma, Washington 98541-0301 (1986)]
[Pob 348n, McCleary, Washington 98557] 

Hey dd  That is next to my husbands mill the one I told you about where the feesers used to own a home on odonnell ave years ago. The area is icky. I used tpo live there 10 years ago. I know it very very well.  please ask anything you like about this area. I can also go there somewhat un noticed as my husband has worked there over 20 years and the only way in or out  is threw the mill parking lot.

you have to go through the mill parking lot to get to Odonnell Ave?

do you know if the schneiders lived there when the feesers lived there.  how big is that road/how many houses?   do you think the feesers know or married into this family?  just asking random questions, no reason. 

can you go see if there is a white house there? LOL
i lived accross the street from a very ornate white house to tell you the truth. I was friends with them and they were into some church thing as well. but like I said I do not go to church because i do not like hipocrits and you do not have to go to church to believe and love god. this is a link to the houses on oddonal ave 28 is the big white house and 23 is the old feesers house
http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_Parcel/Search/ParcelList.asp?SrchParcelNo=&SrchHouseNo=&SrchStreetDirection=&SrchStreetName=odonnell&SrchLegalDesc=&Submit=Search


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 03:45:34 PM
well today is hubby's birthday and a few days after that our 21 year aniv. I have to go shopping for the bbq. I will be back on to post tonight. but if someone can tell me what time the vidul is I will be sure to drive up and get photos. Also I have a iphone so if you have my email address I will get the message while im out and can reply to you. But I can not post on board from iphone. I will be learking thow. can you picture me ... walking threw walmart with one hand on my cart and the other my phone reading as I bash into people because im reading and not paying attention ... LOL thats me , mulitasker hugs to all you monkeys keep going  think we are on to something....... Please email me the time and place of vidul


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 03:47:24 PM
Quote
from madi
adamcampbell65@yahoo.com     Is the email address right as I typed it here ? when you go to myspace you will see a search box that says people. I typed it in there and it came up

__________________

oh I see, you went to myspace and typed in the email...ok, I was just putting it into the google bar. 

that still could be the same guy? 

let me go see something


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 24, 2009, 05:03:08 PM
DD, This could be interesting or not..LOL

Melinda married (1) David.

Melinda married (2) Marvin Glen THOMPSON son of Glen George THOMPSON and Louise TRATHER on 2 Oct 1977 in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California, USA. Marvin was born on 13 May 1948 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.

They had the following children:

         3922    M    i    Adam Campbell THOMPSON was born on 11 Jun 1978 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3923    M    ii    Alex Glen THOMPSON was born on 22 Dec 1980 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3924    M    iii    Andrew Lewis THOMPSON was born on 20 Nov 1984 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA.
         3925    M    iv    Aric Don THOMPSON was born on 6 Apr 1986 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA

Cited:

http://www.muchmore.org/mfa1G/pafg106.htm#4692


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 05:16:10 PM


My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 



Steven L Voss - Fonda K Henley - Grays Harbor Marriage Records- This is the only record I found for Fonda Voss; so far
Record Series:
Marriage Records

Collection:
Grays Harbor Marriage Records   

County:
Grays Harbor

document number:
swgrhmc49662

groom's name:
Steven L Voss

bride's name:
Fonda K Henley

marriage date:
3/14/1997 12:00:00 AM

county :
Grays Harbor

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=7E4523DC789902896C982892A02D8696


I also found a Fonda Dent, this is the only record I found
in Washington that has this name...so this is weird..lol




return address 1:
FONDA DENT

return address 2:
618 W SPOFFORD # 3

return address 3:
SPOKANE, WA 99205

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=EBF7736917A250BDF6AEA23474661953
I found a Fonda k.Voss working for WA house of corrections.
http://lbloom.net/dc07.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 24, 2009, 06:27:12 PM


My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 



Steven L Voss - Fonda K Henley - Grays Harbor Marriage Records- This is the only record I found for Fonda Voss; so far
Record Series:
Marriage Records

Collection:
Grays Harbor Marriage Records   

County:
Grays Harbor

document number:
swgrhmc49662

groom's name:
Steven L Voss

bride's name:
Fonda K Henley

marriage date:
3/14/1997 12:00:00 AM

county :
Grays Harbor

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=7E4523DC789902896C982892A02D8696


I also found a Fonda Dent, this is the only record I found
in Washington that has this name...so this is weird..lol




return address 1:
FONDA DENT

return address 2:
618 W SPOFFORD # 3

return address 3:
SPOKANE, WA 99205

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=EBF7736917A250BDF6AEA23474661953
I found a Fonda k.Voss working for WA house of corrections.
http://lbloom.net/dc07.html

2007 State of Washington Department of Corrections List of Employees - Fonda K. Voss

Wonder why she is working at the ORV Park now.  I wonder why she backtracked when she was contacted the second time regarding the person who was fired.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 06:30:03 PM
There are actually two myspace pages associated with the name "Adam Lee Campbell." They are both 31 and listed as a pisces. The one that  comes up when you type in the email address does not have a picture, but the other one has the same photo that is used on the S.O. website. (I find that very weird) Also, when I was looking up S.O.'s from Washington by the name of Adam Lee Campbell, I got two matches. The pictures are the same person however it says one is from Yakima while the other is listed as "Non-compliant" and is listed as homeless in seattle. Both were convicted of child molestation on 11/21/1995

let me start digging more on this now

non- compliant does not sound good ugh, he could be anywhere... grrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 06:35:48 PM


My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 



Steven L Voss - Fonda K Henley - Grays Harbor Marriage Records- This is the only record I found for Fonda Voss; so far
Record Series:
Marriage Records

Collection:
Grays Harbor Marriage Records   

County:
Grays Harbor

document number:
swgrhmc49662

groom's name:
Steven L Voss

bride's name:
Fonda K Henley

marriage date:
3/14/1997 12:00:00 AM

county :
Grays Harbor

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=7E4523DC789902896C982892A02D8696


I also found a Fonda Dent, this is the only record I found
in Washington that has this name...so this is weird..lol




return address 1:
FONDA DENT

return address 2:
618 W SPOFFORD # 3

return address 3:
SPOKANE, WA 99205

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=EBF7736917A250BDF6AEA23474661953
I found a Fonda k.Voss working for WA house of corrections.
http://lbloom.net/dc07.html

2007 State of Washington Department of Corrections List of Employees - Fonda K. Voss

Wonder why she is working at the ORV Park now.  I wonder why she backtracked when she was contacted the second time regarding the person who was fired.

I am starting to think the police are telling everyone to be quiet.  seems there is a lot of this going on right now.  people say something or will do something or they are going to do something etc, then the next thing you know they don't know anythig, they change their minds about what they are going to do, they forget now, or whatever they said is changing.  this is my own personal observation.  I'm not talking about Fonda, its a lot more than that. 

I've had 3 emails today alone saying they have turned in info and no one is doing anything to follow up, so the police are being very quiet, or something.  so they are also probably telling others to be quiet.  or something. 

Did they feds all leave?  hmmm maybe they should have stuck around awhile longer.  hmm just thinking, just thinking.  I have got the big "HUH?" going on.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 06:42:27 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...
Yes,starts at 9PM I think.If you could pictures of the crowds that show up,that would be great!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 07:08:12 PM
The Smiley names listed in McCleary are from Dallas Lorene Smiley/ nee Schneider

She married Harold S Smiley - Dairy Family in Elma, on Blockhouse Road

I have went through all the Smiley names listed with the Elma Dairy. None of them directly connect to the Smiley names listed with Jeffrey Richard Smiley Sex Offender just arrested.

It is possible they do connect through cousins or second cousins or something like that, but so far they do not connect through immediate relatives they are listed with.

In order for me to find out if they might connect through cousins or second cousins etc, I have to go back to the grandparents & greatgrandparents, get all of their kids names, their brother and sisters names and then come on down each of those lines. That is going to take quite awhile.

at this point in time there is a chance Lindsey is still alive and can be found alive. For this reason I am researching in line with priorities and doing all the Smiley genealogy would take so long, I feel it is better to look at some of the other options at this time. If I get a few minutes here and there I will start in on this again.

at this time there is all the info I have dug up already on the Discussion work thread here

jeffrey-smiley-in-spanaway-adam-campbell-in-spanaway-hmmmm-t222.html


and here is a summary easy to understand with the info and docs to support my conclusion:


http://truecrime.forums-free.com/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=231&p=1028#p1028

hope this helps


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 07:10:07 PM
that first link with the work thread should be
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/jeffrey-smiley-in-spanaway-adam-campbell-in-spanaway-hmmmm-t222.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 07:14:52 PM
now I am going to go work on adam lee campbell sex offender age 31


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 07:39:39 PM


My question is: IS Fonda Dent and Fonda Voss the same person?  Could Voss be her married name? 



Steven L Voss - Fonda K Henley - Grays Harbor Marriage Records- This is the only record I found for Fonda Voss; so far
Record Series:
Marriage Records

Collection:
Grays Harbor Marriage Records   

County:
Grays Harbor

document number:
swgrhmc49662

groom's name:
Steven L Voss

bride's name:
Fonda K Henley

marriage date:
3/14/1997 12:00:00 AM

county :
Grays Harbor

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=7E4523DC789902896C982892A02D8696


I also found a Fonda Dent, this is the only record I found
in Washington that has this name...so this is weird..lol




return address 1:
FONDA DENT

return address 2:
618 W SPOFFORD # 3

return address 3:
SPOKANE, WA 99205

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewRecord.aspx?RID=EBF7736917A250BDF6AEA23474661953
I found a Fonda k.Voss working for WA house of corrections.
http://lbloom.net/dc07.html

2007 State of Washington Department of Corrections List of Employees - Fonda K. Voss

Wonder why she is working at the ORV Park now.  I wonder why she backtracked when she was contacted the second time regarding the person who was fired.
Whoever that Fonda Voss is,at the correctional house in WA,her job was fiscal tech I believe.
It wasn't Fonda that backtracked.Scandi talked to Fonda the first time and from what I'm understanding,the next morning Scandi called and talked to a lady who said she was in charge.....Scandi didn't talk to Fonda twice that I know of.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 24, 2009, 07:46:04 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 07:55:31 PM
that first link with the work thread should be
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/jeffrey-smiley-in-spanaway-adam-campbell-in-spanaway-hmmmm-t222.html
Lot's of great work and resources put into this,thanks DD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 07:59:56 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 24, 2009, 08:03:50 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice
I saw the same thing this morning Sunshine.I even checked the times the MS was posted here and"there"and MadiBabe posted that info here hours before it was posted"there".
Doesn't mean it's someone who is a member here....they could just be reading here and posting there.
Aww well,that's why I always try and give credit to whoever I stole....I mean borrowed info from.It's the right thing to do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 24, 2009, 08:15:32 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice
I saw the same thing this morning Sunshine.I even checked the times the MS was posted here and"there"and MadiBabe posted that info here hours before it was posted"there".
Doesn't mean it's someone who is a member here....they could just be reading here and posting there.
Aww well,that's why I always try and give credit to whoever I stole....I mean borrowed info from.It's the right thing to do.
Me too, and I also know what you are talking about. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 24, 2009, 08:22:24 PM
Happens all the time.  It's just the nature of these forums.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 09:01:55 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 09:10:10 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 09:11:54 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 09:25:23 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 09:28:28 PM
seems like every case has its bunch of weirdos ... good grief


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 24, 2009, 09:41:46 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 

No, you are under attack. They are trying to get your passwords.  Google dictionary attacker.  give no evidence!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  You must be on to something to have them get your attention under a false email.  ::MonkeyEek::  What did they ask you? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 24, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 

NO they would not!!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 09:55:56 PM
they just asked me for something specific I have that I have not told anyone.  pretty weird. and they specifically asked for THAT.  And I have it, and I know no one else has it and I know they should not know I have anything like that.  there is no way in heck anyone would ever in their wildest dreams know I have that info.  the only person who should know I have it would be the police, and I find it very hard to believe this is the police.  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 24, 2009, 10:05:47 PM
they just asked me for something specific I have that I have not told anyone.  pretty weird. and they specifically asked for THAT.  And I have it, and I know no one else has it and I know they should not know I have anything like that.  there is no way in heck anyone would ever in their wildest dreams know I have that info.  the only person who should know I have it would be the police, and I find it very hard to believe this is the police.  LOL

Unless they have access to your computer?  just saying!  Maybe put a call into the police and tell them you are responding to their email request for the information!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 24, 2009, 10:09:44 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...
Yes,starts at 9PM I think.If you could pictures of the crowds that show up,that would be great!
yes I will be there. I will take pics with flash if i need too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Ditto - I would check with the police.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 10:12:53 PM
they just asked me for something specific I have that I have not told anyone.  pretty weird. and they specifically asked for THAT.  And I have it, and I know no one else has it and I know they should not know I have anything like that.  there is no way in heck anyone would ever in their wildest dreams know I have that info.  the only person who should know I have it would be the police, and I find it very hard to believe this is the police.  LOL

Unless they have access to your computer?  just saying!  Maybe put a call into the police and tell them you are responding to their email request for the information!

well a few days or so ago, 3-4, I clicked on my email and my security caught a trojan horse, a keylogger and a few other things all at once.  it was weird too.  well it is this way, if they keep it up I will give them so info they DON'T want LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 24, 2009, 10:14:22 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 24, 2009, 10:28:51 PM
I don't want anyone to think it is suspicious that I changed my username... I have family worried about we participating in these forums for my safety. With all the hacker emails people have received, I believe a very generic username would be better.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::
just say NO!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:02:01 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...
Yes,starts at 9PM I think.If you could pictures of the crowds that show up,that would be great!
yes I will be there. I will take pics with flash if i need too.
i was lurking at work and saw your post where someone e-mailed you asked for you by name and if you post here.....change every thing NOW!!!  i don't know whats going on but i don't want to see a monkey hurt...these people are willing to do anything and you are so close PLEASE PLEASE be careful.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:04:49 PM
I don't want anyone to think it is suspicious that I changed my username... I have family worried about we participating in these forums for my safety. With all the hacker emails people have received, I believe a very generic username would be better.
i don't know who you were in the first place or are you still lovn'life?  i'm totally confuzzled 'cause i think there is a lovn'life here all ready or is that still you and you haven't changed screen names yet?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:07:47 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 
i would assume if a detective had that much info on you they could also get your phone number and address....i think they would either call or knock on your door before they e-mailed you...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 24, 2009, 11:11:45 PM
I don't want anyone to think it is suspicious that I changed my username... I have family worried about we participating in these forums for my safety. With all the hacker emails people have received, I believe a very generic username would be better.
i don't know who you were in the first place or are you still lovn'life?  i'm totally confuzzled 'cause i think there is a lovn'life here all ready or is that still you and you haven't changed screen names yet?

I did not know there was a lonv'life. I don't want them to think I was trying to change my name, now I have to think of another one. Second change!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
I don't want anyone to think it is suspicious that I changed my username... I have family worried about we participating in these forums for my safety. With all the hacker emails people have received, I believe a very generic username would be better.
i don't know who you were in the first place or are you still lovn'life?  i'm totally confuzzled 'cause i think there is a lovn'life here all ready or is that still you and you haven't changed screen names yet?

I did not know there was a lonv'life. I don't want them to think I was trying to change my name, now I have to think of another one. Second change!
::MonkeyConfused::  ok i don't know if there was a lovinlife either??  oh jeeze are you the first and only, did you start as another name, then change to lovinlife, just now???  confuzzled! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 11:36:42 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 
i would assume if a detective had that much info on you they could also get your phone number and address....i think they would either call or knock on your door before they e-mailed you...

well actually they can email me, they have my email.  but this person is emailing me from baumtips@gmail.com   but a name is hooked to it, and it is not the name who they say they are when they introduce themself in the email.  but the weird part about it, is my emails to someone else is hooked onto the bottom of the email they sent.  and then I looked up the name with the email, not who they said they were, and the name that is with the baumtips@gmail.com and it is the name of someone who works at the sheriff office but it is not any det or any capacity like that at all.  why wouldn't the detective use his own email ... and why are my emails attached to the bottom of this email to me.  it is crazy. 

but oh well I will figure it out and get the info to where it needs to go, but it is NOT going to just anyone...
I was "working" on a case before and you would not believe what all crazy stuff went on.  gee I hope this does not start in this case.  ugh. 

but oh well, when people will kidnap people and kill them etc, I guess you can expect weirdos will email you and try to get info from you also. 

oh well enought of this worry ugh, I have info to go dig up LOL  I really don't have time for idiots who email me and try to hack me etc.  especially trying to act like they are detectives on the case. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 24, 2009, 11:40:53 PM
poor you "live learn love"  you are having a time aren't you.  trying to get a name etc.   ::MonkeyAngel::
I change my name all the time.  someone the other day called me "lady with many names".  but I find it is good to not let people know who you are.  Most people are nice and sincere, but if you ever get one of the whackos on you, omg, you will learn not to tell people your personal info.  I have found this board to have a lot of very nice people, unlike a lot of boards I have been on. but still you just have to be careful. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:46:35 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 
i would assume if a detective had that much info on you they could also get your phone number and address....i think they would either call or knock on your door before they e-mailed you...

well actually they can email me, they have my email.  but this person is emailing me from baumtips@gmail.com   but a name is hooked to it, and it is not the name who they say they are when they introduce themself in the email.  but the weird part about it, is my emails to someone else is hooked onto the bottom of the email they sent.  and then I looked up the name with the email, not who they said they were, and the name that is with the baumtips@gmail.com and it is the name of someone who works at the sheriff office but it is not any det or any capacity like that at all.  why wouldn't the detective use his own email ... and why are my emails attached to the bottom of this email to me.  it is crazy. 

but oh well I will figure it out and get the info to where it needs to go, but it is NOT going to just anyone...
I was "working" on a case before and you would not believe what all crazy stuff went on.  gee I hope this does not start in this case.  ugh. 

but oh well, when people will kidnap people and kill them etc, I guess you can expect weirdos will email you and try to get info from you also. 

oh well enought of this worry ugh, I have info to go dig up LOL  I really don't have time for idiots who email me and try to hack me etc.  especially trying to act like they are detectives on the case. 
be careful...doesn't sound kosher to me and it sounds like some 'puter savy nuts are hangin' out, esp if it comes from something like baumtips.  either someone wants to know what you know or someone thinks your on to them..please don't take this lightly...if there bold enough e-mail you, who knows?  get a good anti-viral program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 24, 2009, 11:48:07 PM
Missing girl's dad back in Tennessee
THE OLYMPIAN | • Published July 23, 2009

Lindsey Baum’s father returned to Tennessee last weekend to attend to personal issues and sort out his possible deployment to Iraq, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott told the newspaper that Scott Baum, a member of the Tennessee National Guard who has orders to deploy to Iraq, headed home but hopes to remain in the country to help with the effort to find his 11-year-old daughter.

Scott said Baum had a round-trip ticket so he could return quickly if anything changed.

Baum went missing June 26 as she walked a few blocks from a friend’s house to her home in McCleary. The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl last was seen wearing a light-blue hooded shirt, blue jeans and black shoes.

Scott said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum, has worked with family members to start two Web sites dedicated to the search: www.findlindseybaum.com and www.lindseybaum.com.

Investigators hope a $6,000 reward will prompt someone to come forward with information about Lindsey’s disappearance. The money is being offered by Crimestoppers and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Anyone with information is asked to call local authorities or the investigation’s tip line at 866-915-8299.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/918533.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:49:56 PM
I don't want anyone to think it is suspicious that I changed my username... I have family worried about we participating in these forums for my safety. With all the hacker emails people have received, I believe a very generic username would be better.
i don't know who you were in the first place or are you still lovn'life?  i'm totally confuzzled 'cause i think there is a lovn'life here all ready or is that still you and you haven't changed screen names yet?

I did not know there was a lonv'life. I don't want them to think I was trying to change my name, now I have to think of another one. Second change!
ok from now on your gonna' be Live*Learn*Love according to me....i really have NO idea who you started out as so

welcome to scared monkeys Live*Learn*Love  glad to have you here ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 24, 2009, 11:52:57 PM
Reader Comment:

urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell XXXv XXX XXXX or the house phone XXX XXX XXXX.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway going southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon...

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 24, 2009, 11:54:23 PM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 
i would assume if a detective had that much info on you they could also get your phone number and address....i think they would either call or knock on your door before they e-mailed you...

well actually they can email me, they have my email.  but this person is emailing me from baumtips@gmail.com   but a name is hooked to it, and it is not the name who they say they are when they introduce themself in the email.  but the weird part about it, is my emails to someone else is hooked onto the bottom of the email they sent.  and then I looked up the name with the email, not who they said they were, and the name that is with the baumtips@gmail.com and it is the name of someone who works at the sheriff office but it is not any det or any capacity like that at all.  why wouldn't the detective use his own email ... and why are my emails attached to the bottom of this email to me.  it is crazy. 

but oh well I will figure it out and get the info to where it needs to go, but it is NOT going to just anyone...
I was "working" on a case before and you would not believe what all crazy stuff went on.  gee I hope this does not start in this case.  ugh. 

but oh well, when people will kidnap people and kill them etc, I guess you can expect weirdos will email you and try to get info from you also. 

oh well enought of this worry ugh, I have info to go dig up LOL  I really don't have time for idiots who email me and try to hack me etc.  especially trying to act like they are detectives on the case. 
can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 24, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
6 Thousand Dollar Reward Now Offered in Search for Missing McCleary Girl

A $6,000 reward is being offered for information about last month's disappearance of an 11-year-old McCleary girl. Investigators hope someone knows something that will help authorities find Lindsey Baum. The girl vanished while walking home from a friend's house on June 26. She's described as 4-foot-9, 80 pounds, with brown hair and eyes.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott tells us that the Department has from 6 to 10 officers including FBI agents involved in the search daily, Scott said that the amount of tips have tapered since the initial reports of Lindsey's disappearance "We're finding stuff that we need to do to clarify or expand on information that already came in."

Scott also said that surveilance video footage from nearby stores has yet to turn up anything, adding that officers have identified some people in the footage and contacted them, not as much as person's of interest, as persons who were in the area at the time of the disappearance.

Lindsey's mother said recently that they have established a couple of websites to promote the search efforts, www.lindseybaum.com and www.findlindseybaum.com

The Grays Harbor County Sheriff's department moved the base of operations for the search to the County Sheriff's offices earlier this month.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott tells KBKW that the McCleary Bear Festival required the parking and rooms that were being used to accommodate the investigators in the case. "We'll work out of here, go to McCleary as needed, and be able to follow up on leads outside of McCleary in a more organized fashion."

Officials also began tearing down the extensive interagency efforts in McCleary, and releasing some of the 15 to 10 officers per day that have been assisting in the investigation. "We're going to have to accept that this is going to be a case that's assigned to a smaller team of officers" said Scott.

Investigators would still like to talk to anyone who may have seen anything in McCleary between 9 and 10 pm Friday - june 26th when the little girl failed to return to her home on Mommsen Road from a friend's house on Maple street a few blocks away.

Police are also asking that people get their facts from the police or local media, and to not flood tip lines with rumors heard second hand, or online. 

 Investigators looking for the missing McCleary girl say it's unlikely she ran away or is playing a prank on her family, FBI investigators have said it is also unlikely that she was abducted by a stranger, and more likely someone she knew.

Police are following up on several leads in the case, Scott tells us that the Forensic Investigation on Lindsey's home computer has turned up little more, and that they have expanded the computer level search to other computers that Lindsey may have used to access her internet profiles, including the local public library's computer.

Scott said that video footage taken from a nearby Shell station yielded no stand-out leads, some leads are still being investigated from the video. Scott added that the footage is now being investigated by forensics teams, in hopes of enhancing some of the video.

Grays Harbor County Sheriff Mike Whelan says that, early in the investigation, investigators have received many tips, and that so far the investigation has yielded no primary suspects. "We've been sending teams of detectives out to follow up on those tips" "as far as suspects are concerned, we don't have anyone that we can say is the suspect"

"I just need my daughter home," Melissa Baum, the girl's mother told The Aberdeen Daily World. She said she's afraid someone has taken her daughter and away from McCleary, a town of about 1,500.

Lindsey's mother reported her missing Friday night.

Chief George Crumb of the McCleary Police Department said that weekend that friends and family are assisting the search, and that while his department hopes Baum just ran off on her own, "she's been gone far too long."

 Melissa Baum said she is afraid someone has taken her daughter, and taken her away from McCleary.
"If anyone does have her, bring her back home or take her to a pay phone where she can call home," Baum said.
No Amber Alert was initiated because no one had seen anyone take her. Lindsey Baum was reported as a missing child.
"It did not meet any of the criteria for an Amber Alert," Crumb said.
McCleary Police set up the initial search, but called in the Sheriffs Office at 4 a.m., Patrick said. Thurston County sheriffs deputies, FBI Officials, and the Washington State Patrol are also assisting.

http://kbkw.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=625


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:03:24 AM
Reader Comment:

urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell XXXv XXX XXXX or the house phone XXX XXX XXXX.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway
oh $hitgoing southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon...

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html
oh $hit if this is really true the entire town/police know whats up...i have a very heavy heart right now and a feeling if Lindsey is alive she won't be much longer...whoever posted that should have either interviened (yeah, i know, personal safety..whatever, you see a missing kid and do nothing except post it on the net) or the town is corrupted (and yes, it does happen)...lets all try to keep a thought with a white light around Lindsey (and pray the FBI is still there)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
wow I just got an email from someone saying they are a detective on the case and they want certain info from me, and I check the IP and it comes up dictionary attacker

what the  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::

what is a dictionary attacker? duh!

I don't really know how to explain it and I am not that up on it but it uses regular words out of the dictionary to try to retrieve passwords etc.  and this ip comes up as being one of those.

would a real detective send me an email from an IP like that ? 
i would assume if a detective had that much info on you they could also get your phone number and address....i think they would either call or knock on your door before they e-mailed you...

well actually they can email me, they have my email.  but this person is emailing me from baumtips@gmail.com   but a name is hooked to it, and it is not the name who they say they are when they introduce themself in the email.  but the weird part about it, is my emails to someone else is hooked onto the bottom of the email they sent.  and then I looked up the name with the email, not who they said they were, and the name that is with the baumtips@gmail.com and it is the name of someone who works at the sheriff office but it is not any det or any capacity like that at all.  why wouldn't the detective use his own email ... and why are my emails attached to the bottom of this email to me.  it is crazy. 

but oh well I will figure it out and get the info to where it needs to go, but it is NOT going to just anyone...
I was "working" on a case before and you would not believe what all crazy stuff went on.  gee I hope this does not start in this case.  ugh. 

but oh well, when people will kidnap people and kill them etc, I guess you can expect weirdos will email you and try to get info from you also. 

oh well enought of this worry ugh, I have info to go dig up LOL  I really don't have time for idiots who email me and try to hack me etc.  especially trying to act like they are detectives on the case. 
be careful...doesn't sound kosher to me and it sounds like some 'puter savy nuts are hangin' out, esp if it comes from something like baumtips.  either someone wants to know what you know or someone thinks your on to them..please don't take this lightly...if there bold enough e-mail you, who knows?  get a good anti-viral program.

I know.  oh well, won't be the first time ugh.  I can deal with it 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:18:16 AM
Quote
Scott said that video footage taken from a nearby Shell station yielded no stand-out leads, some leads are still being investigated from the video. Scott added that the footage is now being investigated by forensics teams, in hopes of enhancing some of the video.
i could be wrong but it was either posted here somewhere, or on a random reader commit that i read that the cameras at the shell station didn't work???  am i losing it??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:22:24 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:26:37 AM
Reader Comment:

urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell XXXv XXX XXXX or the house phone XXX XXX XXXX.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway
oh $hitgoing southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon...

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_072109WAB-mccleary-missing-reward-SW.62c9e7a5.html
oh $hit if this is really true the entire town/police know whats up...i have a very heavy heart right now and a feeling if Lindsey is alive she won't be much longer...whoever posted that should have either interviened (yeah, i know, personal safety..whatever, you see a missing kid and do nothing except post it on the net) or the town is corrupted (and yes, it does happen)...lets all try to keep a thought with a white light around Lindsey (and pray the FBI is still there)

where the heck is this at, fort lewis area?  that is where that weirdo jeffrey richard smiley was taking girls. 
but he is in jail... right?  they did not let that idiot out of jail did they?


where is this comment at? gee.  are they just going to only drive by and not go out there to look in the woods.. how do you get someone out there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:27:56 AM
oh I see the link now sorry, I am like what?  I can't think.  sheeesh, can't someone get someone to listen to this person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:27:58 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email
baumtips@gmail is highlighted like a link (at your post) i want to check it out but after you post i'm weary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:30:11 AM
oh I see the link now sorry, I am like what?  I can't think.  sheeesh, can't someone get someone to listen to this person
thehehehe..were losin' it together.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:37:59 AM
if i report abuse on that site will they just take the post off or do you think they will look at it ?  someone NEEDS to SEE IT!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:38:09 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email
baumtips@gmail is highlighted like a link (at your post) i want to check it out but after you post i'm weary.

oh that is the email they used, I don't have a link or anything it just posted it as a link. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 12:41:36 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email
baumtips@gmail is highlighted like a link (at your post) i want to check it out but after you post i'm weary.

oh that is the email they used, I don't have a link or anything it just posted it as a link. 
i'm about to dive in...my credit is shot anyway:) they can't do much.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:46:37 AM
that post on that site was two days ago, the comment left by that person.  ugh.  that would be the 22d.  hmmm


someone had sent me this post too the other day

it's from the guestbook at linsdeybaum.com
 
" Name Ida
Email cydaidamae at hotmail dot com
Comments I have called the tip line and sent an email to the Grays Harbor police about seeing a girl who told me her name is Lindsey in Hoodsport on July 3, 2009. She was hungry, thirsty, looking for work to earn enough money to buy food. She was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and it was a hot day. Since then, a week or two later, a girl wearing a hooded sweatshirt came into one of the shops here in Hoodsport and asked if there was work available. I have left my phone number both in the email I sent and when I called the tip line, but have not heard from anyone. I suggested to them that they send an investigator to Hoodsport to inquire of any of the shop owners if this girl has come to them looking for work. I have the email available that I sent to the police regarding this if the family would like me to send it to them personally."
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 12:58:17 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email
baumtips@gmail is highlighted like a link (at your post) i want to check it out but after you post i'm weary.

oh that is the email they used, I don't have a link or anything it just posted it as a link. 
i'm about to dive in...my credit is shot anyway:) they can't do much.

dive into what? LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 01:02:06 AM
that post on that site was two days ago, the comment left by that person.  ugh.  that would be the 22d.  hmmm


someone had sent me this post too the other day

it's from the guestbook at linsdeybaum.com
 
" Name Ida
Email cydaidamae at hotmail dot com
Comments I have called the tip line and sent an email to the Grays Harbor police about seeing a girl who told me her name is Lindsey in Hoodsport on July 3, 2009. She was hungry, thirsty, looking for work to earn enough money to buy food. She was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and it was a hot day. Since then, a week or two later, a girl wearing a hooded sweatshirt came into one of the shops here in Hoodsport and asked if there was work available. I have left my phone number both in the email I sent and when I called the tip line, but have not heard from anyone. I suggested to them that they send an investigator to Hoodsport to inquire of any of the shop owners if this girl has come to them looking for work. I have the email available that I sent to the police regarding this if the family would like me to send it to them personally."
 

ok, if this is true it's very disturbing,,who did she talk to...she is too young to work.i  can't believe this 'cause if you see a hungry/thirsty 11 year old why let them go on their way....why not stop and find out why an 11 year old is looking for food/water???WHY?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 01:03:24 AM


can i access the link?  i wanna hear what they have to say.  or just say no?

link? there is no link, not sure what you mean.  This is an email sent to my email
baumtips@gmail is highlighted like a link (at your post) i want to check it out but after you post i'm weary.

oh that is the email they used, I don't have a link or anything it just posted it as a link. 
i'm about to dive in...my credit is shot anyway:) they can't do much.

dive into what? LOL
the abiss that is gmail...i have to start an account...it takes me forever


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 25, 2009, 01:24:12 AM
that post on that site was two days ago, the comment left by that person.  ugh.  that would be the 22d.  hmmm


someone had sent me this post too the other day

it's from the guestbook at linsdeybaum.com
 
" Name Ida
Email cydaidamae at hotmail dot com
Comments I have called the tip line and sent an email to the Grays Harbor police about seeing a girl who told me her name is Lindsey in Hoodsport on July 3, 2009. She was hungry, thirsty, looking for work to earn enough money to buy food. She was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and it was a hot day. Since then, a week or two later, a girl wearing a hooded sweatshirt came into one of the shops here in Hoodsport and asked if there was work available. I have left my phone number both in the email I sent and when I called the tip line, but have not heard from anyone. I suggested to them that they send an investigator to Hoodsport to inquire of any of the shop owners if this girl has come to them looking for work. I have the email available that I sent to the police regarding this if the family would like me to send it to them personally."
 

ok, if this is true it's very disturbing,,who did she talk to...she is too young to work.i  can't believe this 'cause if you see a hungry/thirsty 11 year old why let them go on their way....why not stop and find out why an 11 year old is looking for food/water???WHY?

I am sorry to say, I think people post anything just to get attention.  I don't believe this.  Why not call 911 and watch her till they come.  I hope she is alive and well but I don't believe this person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 01:44:22 AM
yes this is very true, people do make up stuff.  I always try to pay attention though, because you just never know.  People do some weird stuff. 

but the police should go look at least.  I hope they are going and looking even if the people telling this stuff sound unbelieveable.  would be horrible if it is true and no one listened.  ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 10:31:11 AM
http://**/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt

this is the paper today.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 10:44:49 AM
http://**/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt

this is the paper today.


Vigil for Lindsey Baum

Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
(http://**/content/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.jpg)
Trenton Stevens, 9, and his sister Ariel, 7,  of Olympia join more than 100 people at a candlelight vigil for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum at Beerbower Park in McCleary on Friday night. Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 10:48:50 AM
http://**/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt

this is the paper today.

That certainly isn't very much coverage.  No mention of who spoke, really no information at all.  Very poor job by newspaper.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 25, 2009, 10:55:30 AM
that post on that site was two days ago, the comment left by that person.  ugh.  that would be the 22d.  hmmm


someone had sent me this post too the other day

it's from the guestbook at linsdeybaum.com
 
" Name Ida
Email cydaidamae at hotmail dot com
Comments I have called the tip line and sent an email to the Grays Harbor police about seeing a girl who told me her name is Lindsey in Hoodsport on July 3, 2009. She was hungry, thirsty, looking for work to earn enough money to buy food. She was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and it was a hot day. Since then, a week or two later, a girl wearing a hooded sweatshirt came into one of the shops here in Hoodsport and asked if there was work available. I have left my phone number both in the email I sent and when I called the tip line, but have not heard from anyone. I suggested to them that they send an investigator to Hoodsport to inquire of any of the shop owners if this girl has come to them looking for work. I have the email available that I sent to the police regarding this if the family would like me to send it to them personally."
 

ok, if this is true it's very disturbing,,who did she talk to...she is too young to work.i  can't believe this 'cause if you see a hungry/thirsty 11 year old why let them go on their way....why not stop and find out why an 11 year old is looking for food/water???WHY?

I am sorry to say, I think people post anything just to get attention.  I don't believe this.  Why not call 911 and watch her till they come.  I hope she is alive and well but I don't believe this person.

I don't believe crap like this either. It's a troll.

If you see a missing child. You call 911 and hang onto to them. You don't let them out of your sight.

Same as seeing two guys drag a girl into the woods, you call 911 and stay there until police get there. and call if they don't show up quick enough. You don't go home and post stuff in a comment section of a newspaper.

This stuff happened ALL the time in Caylee's case and not one of them was true.

If you call police, email them tips or call the tipline. Unless they need more information from you, they don't get back to you, they don't follow up with you. People assume because they don't hear back that police didn't follow up or look into the tip and that is simply not true.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 25, 2009, 11:24:14 AM
that post on that site was two days ago, the comment left by that person.  ugh.  that would be the 22d.  hmmm


someone had sent me this post too the other day

it's from the guestbook at linsdeybaum.com
 
" Name Ida
Email cydaidamae at hotmail dot com
Comments I have called the tip line and sent an email to the Grays Harbor police about seeing a girl who told me her name is Lindsey in Hoodsport on July 3, 2009. She was hungry, thirsty, looking for work to earn enough money to buy food. She was wearing a hooded sweatshirt and it was a hot day. Since then, a week or two later, a girl wearing a hooded sweatshirt came into one of the shops here in Hoodsport and asked if there was work available. I have left my phone number both in the email I sent and when I called the tip line, but have not heard from anyone. I suggested to them that they send an investigator to Hoodsport to inquire of any of the shop owners if this girl has come to them looking for work. I have the email available that I sent to the police regarding this if the family would like me to send it to them personally."
 

ok, if this is true it's very disturbing,,who did she talk to...she is too young to work.i  can't believe this 'cause if you see a hungry/thirsty 11 year old why let them go on their way....why not stop and find out why an 11 year old is looking for food/water???WHY?

I am sorry to say, I think people post anything just to get attention.  I don't believe this.  Why not call 911 and watch her till they come.  I hope she is alive and well but I don't believe this person.

I don't believe crap like this either. It's a troll.

If you see a missing child. You call 911 and hang onto to them. You don't let them out of your sight.

Same as seeing two guys drag a girl into the woods, you call 911 and stay there until police get there. and call if they don't show up quick enough. You don't go home and post stuff in a comment section of a newspaper.

This stuff happened ALL the time in Caylee's case and not one of them was true.

If you call police, email them tips or call the tipline. Unless they need more information from you, they don't get back to you, they don't follow up with you. People assume because they don't hear back that police didn't follow up or look into the tip and that is simply not true.

I will put more credance into the words of "mlachester".

I do hope that the FBI and Mccleary LE have not disregarded Lindsey's brother and Wayne Watne as persons of interest prior to questioning and ruling out.

Janet
____

Ockham's Razor

You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity


+++++

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

A. JOSH BRAUM


I am not accusing Josh Bram of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying factors … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out  Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest in regards to a connection with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM
»

Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM
»

Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


B. WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering the route taken by Lindsey when walking home the night she went missing … considering the time of the witness sighting on Fifth and Maple and ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?  Has Wayne Watne been ruled out as a person of interest?


Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)

Credit: doubledecker

 
The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772
 
Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


+++++++


FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.  

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 25, 2009, 11:40:28 AM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 12:41:55 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 01:14:17 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?

I believe we can, as long as you link back to show where they came from.  (per Klaas regarding a post we inquired about)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?

I believe we can, as long as you link back to show where they came from.  (per Klaas regarding a post we inquired about)
So there will be no reporting of Janet this time?
    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
Below is a link to the pictures taken at Lindsey's vigil 7/24/09
The first image here gives credit to the WS local posters who took the pictures and also thanks to :

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/July%2024%2009%20Vigil%20in%20McCleary/

Pictures located at the above link.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 01:30:05 PM
I really never realized how big Josh is but I suppose he's about the right size for a 13 year old.One of the posters from WS actually talked to and observed Josh and said he was kinda antsy.....while they were praying Josh was hopping all over the place. :/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 01:49:35 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?

I believe we can, as long as you link back to show where they came from.  (per Klaas regarding a post we inquired about)
So there will be no reporting of Janet this time?
    ::MonkeyHaHa::

No,  I will report you this time!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 02:09:08 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?

I believe we can, as long as you link back to show where they came from.  (per Klaas regarding a post we inquired about)
So there will be no reporting of Janet this time?
    ::MonkeyHaHa::

No,  I will report you this time!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Oh shoot!
:::::::::::::::::running:::::::::::::::::   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 02:55:53 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Its ok ... For some reason this person wants to be mean to me. I have no idea who she is and I dont care. She can take credit all she wants...... Im here to do one think and one thing only, FIND LINDSEY!!!! She can do whatever she wants to me AND TAKE CREDIT FOR WHATEVER SHE WANTS as long as it does the job of getting that sweet girl where she belongs. I know what kind of person she is in my heart thats all that matters. Thanks for taking notice thow. It makes me feel loved  my monkeys  gots my back::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyCool:: Thank you Monkeys ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 03:03:30 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 03:09:06 PM
Dang,no wonder I couldn't find a O'Donnel AVE in McCleary.
O'Donnel is Third Street.....I think  lol


O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening & Railroad Crossing Closure
C-78600-01: There was a bid opening for the construction of the following project:
O’Donnel Avenue West (Third Street) Road Widening and Railroad Crossing Closure C-
78600-01. The work to be performed under this contract consists of reconstructing 0.28-
mile of road. The Deputy Clerk of the Board opened and read the following bids
received with bid bond attached:
Trimaxx Construction, Sedro Woolley, WA $134,313.00
Tiger-West, Inc., Hoquiam, WA $146,447.50
DLB Earthwork Co., Olympia, WA $144,805.50
Rognlin’s Inc., Aberdeen, WA $144,261.75
The bids were referred to the Department of Public Services for review and
recommendation.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/gh_minutes/Minutes/min20040503.pdf



I saw that article too but then in jessstars list it has 25 odonnell listed in ELMA, so that was confusing me also, so I still have not decided if it is the 3rd street one in mccleary or if it really is in Elma   Madibee said by a mill, well I looked around the mill in mccleary and could not find it either.  LOL  So I am still not REALLY sure.   
Accck! lol....now I'm not sure again.
Good morning/afternoon Monkeys.
Hey,a few locals from WS went to the vigil last night and took some great pictures,I was wondering if they can be reposted here(in a separate thread maybe?)giving full credit and links to the picture takers?
I have photos. I can post them just give me about 15 min. I also have a few points I want to make about last night that I saw. I am very glad I was there. it was a overwhelming feeling at times. BB in 15


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 03:10:50 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?

How does this help find Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 03:19:17 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?

If you have issues or questions with posters on other boards you've posted on, you should take care of that over there and not over here, imo.  And particularly not in here, unless you think it will help Lindsey Baum's case.  After all, it's about her.  I hope Lindsey Baum will be found soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 03:31:33 PM
ok I lied.... I will take a bit longer to post as I called the person who put her phone numbers out on the net saying she saw Lindsey. She was a very nice woman who when i asked if she had put her numbers on the net abou the missing girl imidiatly replied YES I AM! She told me she talked to kk and told her what she had saw. Not long after the police called her and she told them also. She said she would have gotten out of her car and did something but she was alone and they were 2 big men and they would have overpowered her, so she called 911 right there on the spot. It took 7 minutes for that 911 call and all they did was send out a sp. She believes they really dropped the ball on this one. She can not sleep at night as she is bothered by the images of the men with the girl. I have her email address in case we need to ask her anything. She knows nothing of Smiley as she rarley watches the news. But KK mentioned something about someone named Smiley. What next monkeys? She said they are searching the area today and have the military in on it since it is on there base.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 03:54:57 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?

If you have issues or questions with posters on other boards you've posted on, you should take care of that over there and not over here, imo.  And particularly not in here, unless you think it will help Lindsey Baum's case.  After all, it's about her.  I hope Lindsey Baum will be found soon.
im sorry if I did something wrong. I have never posted on a diffrent board nor am i member I feel the person on the other board is trying to ruine my credibility by posting about me and taking my posts claiming that there theres. I dont care as long as my board (monkeys) know to take me seriously . Im not hindering ,holding back, or lieing . when i find info on the case I post it as true and acurate as I posably can. I am here to bee 100% HELPFUL. THATS ALL IM WORRIED ABOUT IS THAT i WILL GIVE IMPORTANT INFO AND SOMEONE WILL NOT LISTEN DUE TO HER CALLING ME A LIER AND CREEPY. tHATS ALL  sorry caps i look at keyboard when i type. U cought me lol ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 04:10:16 PM
madibabe~ My advice to you while you are posting here in this thread at Scared Monkeys is to simply post about the case of Lindsey Baum.  You are bringing stuff here by posting and wondering if someone elsewhere is calling you creepy or whatever.  Just ignore that stuff.  That discussion doesn't belong here.  There are a lot of very intelligent posters here and they can decided what is what.  If you want your fellow posters to respect you and to accept you, just be yourself and don't worry about what's said somewhere else.  JMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 04:13:39 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?

No, I have never posted on WS. I am not here to pick on anyone, I am here to help FIND LINDSEY!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 04:14:59 PM
(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)
Help Find Lindsey Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:15:54 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:16:51 PM
I would really love to see a post from him other than lindsey's guestbook. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 25, 2009, 04:19:07 PM
Did the woman who thinks she saw Lindsey, say anything about the child's demeanor? She was smart not to get out of her car and do something, and to call 911 right away. I just wondered if the girl was screaming, or looked hurt, or looked scared?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 04:20:20 PM
i realize i could totally get banned for saying this but i just wanted to post this, especially since i feel mandibabe has been accused of having a person on another sites "hinkey meter" go off...

someone, who shall remain namelss, who i know reads at SM has taken the info on adam campbells myspace and acted as they are the ones to find it a day after everyone on here as found it...  it just bothers me. i know we are all here for the same cause, to bring lindsey and all other missing children home and get them the justice they deserve, it just bothers  me when others feel the need to bash someone else and then not give credit on their website where credit is due...


im totally sorry mods, i understand if you delete this. i am just frustrated and needed to vent. maybe this isn't the appropriate forum but i just had to share.


anyway, i will be lighting a candle for lindsey tonite, and praying for justice


I don't know if you are talking about me since I posted the myspace info about last night. I have been trying to read everything here before I post but sometimes info slips by me and I feel it is important to post it just incase no one has said it. I did post that I was sorry if anyone has already said this. Working on these cases and researching is my passion and I have finally gotten the courage to join in on these forums.

ohhh no i was talking about someone on a different forum lol.
Hey live learn love are you the one who said I was creepy on the other board? Just wandering.  can i post the name from the other board?

No, I have never posted on WS. I am not here to pick on anyone, I am here to help FIND LINDSEY!


WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH FINDING LINDSEY?  PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC.  I KNOW YOU WERE JUST ANSWERING THE QUESTION, BUT DID YOU NOT SEE MY POST TO MADIBABE ABOUT IT? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 04:25:54 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   

I have been trying to find stuff on him. First, why does he go by "Adam Le Campbell" if according to a previous post by Love4Ever his name is "Adam Campbell Thompson." Is this the same person? If so I found one of his brothers is listed a an M.D. in Seattle. This make since because on the homeless non-compilable person is listed in Seattle.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 25, 2009, 04:26:49 PM
(http://**/content/articles/2009/06/28/local_news/doc4a4709024546f677630834.jpg)
Help Find Lindsey Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 04:31:01 PM
madibabe~ My advice to you while you are posting here in this thread at Scared Monkeys is to simply post about the case of Lindsey Baum.  You are bringing stuff here by posting and wondering if someone elsewhere is calling you creepy or whatever.  Just ignore that stuff.  That discussion doesn't belong here.  There are a lot of very intelligent posters here and they can decided what is what.  If you want your fellow posters to respect you and to accept you, just be yourself and don't worry about what's said somewhere else.  JMHO

Thank you muffybee. Will do


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 04:32:20 PM
ok I lied.... I will take a bit longer to post as I called the person who put her phone numbers out on the net saying she saw Lindsey. She was a very nice woman who when i asked if she had put her numbers on the net abou the missing girl imidiatly replied YES I AM! She told me she talked to kk and told her what she had saw. Not long after the police called her and she told them also. She said she would have gotten out of her car and did something but she was alone and they were 2 big men and they would have overpowered her, so she called 911 right there on the spot. It took 7 minutes for that 911 call and all they did was send out a sp. She believes they really dropped the ball on this one. She can not sleep at night as she is bothered by the images of the men with the girl. I have her email address in case we need to ask her anything. She knows nothing of Smiley as she rarley watches the news. But KK mentioned something about someone named Smiley. What next monkeys? She said they are searching the area today and have the military in on it since it is on there base.
Thanks for all you do MadiBabe to help bring Lindsey home.
What did Kara say about Smiley?Or was she just talking about how he was arrested on military property?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 04:34:18 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   
I can try DD,what's his full name and where is the info you already have on him?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:37:12 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   

I have been trying to find stuff on him. First, why does he go by "Adam Le Campbell" if according to a previous post by Love4Ever his name is "Adam Campbell Thompson." Is this the same person? If so I found one of his brothers is listed a an M.D. in Seattle. This make since because on the homeless non-compilable person is listed in Seattle.

we really can't tell which adam campbell this is. it could be the 31 yr old sex offender who is also on myspace with his sex offender mug shot as his photo(good grief)LOL(not funny, but gee put your registered sex offender photo as your myspace photo?  hmmm

anyway it could be the older adam campbell I was looking at who is listed with a forrest smiley, who I have not been able to connect to lindsey's area yet, or it could be any adam campbell in the world, or it could be anyone who just uses that name on the post.  ugh

but for now I am researching the adam campbell sex offender age 31.  I already pulled a bunch of stuff up on the older on listed with forrest smiley.  but not done with him either.  but the one I am having a time with is this 31 yr old sex offender. 

anything on the adamcampbell65 email would be great.  madi (I think) said this led to the myspace with the sex offender photo on his myspace.  I did punch that in and it does come up on myspace.  so very possible it is him or the poster on lindsey guestbook spoofed his email.  can be done.  but I am looking at THIS one right now.  the sex offender one.  and that email name.  so that is what I need help with


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 25, 2009, 04:37:21 PM
While the post regarding the potential sighting is scary, it is good news if true. Statistically, if it was Lindsey, more likely than not she is still alive today. I would caution against posting too much information here, and would let the FBI take it from here. I would be cautious about tipping anyone off. If there is concern about whether the FBI is still involved, the call should be made directly to their local field office that serves the McCleary area. This information is material and significant enough that LE should be handling it. Just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 04:44:02 PM
Heartbreaking!!!! Lindseys sweet dog, just watching.
(http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z46/greenchain/SDC10003.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:45:46 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   
I can try DD,what's his full name and where is the info you already have on him?

I am working in this thread and will just jam everything in that thread as I find it so keep checking it...
then I will get it all sorted out and summarize everything here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-age-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t232.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:46:22 PM
grrr, my work thread is here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t233.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:50:20 PM
please read your email  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 04:51:26 PM
please read your email  ::MonkeyDevil::

oppps ... this is to madi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 04:51:40 PM
While the post regarding the potential sighting is scary, it is good news if true. Statistically, if it was Lindsey, more likely than not she is still alive today. I would caution against posting too much information here, and would let the FBI take it from here. I would be cautious about tipping anyone off. If there is concern about whether the FBI is still involved, the call should be made directly to their local field office that serves the McCleary area. This information is material and significant enough that LE should be handling it. Just my 2 cents.
good point! thank youi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 05:16:36 PM
klaas I have sent you an email.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 05:44:25 PM
can someone please help me dig up anything at all on adam campbell.  I am having a hard time with this one ugh.  maybe someone else can run  across something on him that i have missed.  thanks   

I have been trying to find stuff on him. First, why does he go by "Adam Le Campbell" if according to a previous post by Love4Ever his name is "Adam Campbell Thompson." Is this the same person? If so I found one of his brothers is listed a an M.D. in Seattle. This make since because on the homeless non-compilable person is listed in Seattle.

we really can't tell which adam campbell this is. it could be the 31 yr old sex offender who is also on myspace with his sex offender mug shot as his photo(good grief)LOL(not funny, but gee put your registered sex offender photo as your myspace photo?  hmmm

anyway it could be the older adam campbell I was looking at who is listed with a forrest smiley, who I have not been able to connect to lindsey's area yet, or it could be any adam campbell in the world, or it could be anyone who just uses that name on the post.  ugh

but for now I am researching the adam campbell sex offender age 31.  I already pulled a bunch of stuff up on the older on listed with forrest smiley.  but not done with him either.  but the one I am having a time with is this 31 yr old sex offender. 

anything on the adamcampbell65 email would be great.  madi (I think) said this led to the myspace with the sex offender photo on his myspace.  I did punch that in and it does come up on myspace.  so very possible it is him or the poster on lindsey guestbook spoofed his email.  can be done.  but I am looking at THIS one right now.  the sex offender one.  and that email name.  so that is what I need help with
All I'm finding is he is wanted for SO's in 2 cities or states.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 06:23:48 PM
he's hard to find info on, that is for sure.  he made that myspace, never did anything with it, then poof.  I wonder if he got on there just to be able to find someone etc? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 25, 2009, 06:28:04 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...
Yes,starts at 9PM I think.If you could pictures of the crowds that show up,that would be great!
yes I will be there. I will take pics with flash if i need too.
i was lurking at work and saw your post where someone e-mailed you asked for you by name and if you post here.....change every thing NOW!!!  i don't know whats going on but i don't want to see a monkey hurt...these people are willing to do anything and you are so close PLEASE PLEASE be careful.

I  Madibabe also had a weird contact a few days ago - someone contacted her by name and said something about trojans.  That is really scarey that someone is trying to get info from her and doubledecker too.

Please be careful Madibabe..you are apparently too close to something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
Anyone here that is a local to McCleary area,are you going to the Lindsey vigil tonight?If so keep your eyes out for Wayne Watne......I wonder if he will be there.Also keep your eyes opened for the one guy with baseball cap on that we were wondering who he was.....the one with the beat up hands.
IS THERE a vigil tonight? what time? I will go..... what time? I will get photos ...
Yes,starts at 9PM I think.If you could pictures of the crowds that show up,that would be great!
yes I will be there. I will take pics with flash if i need too.
i was lurking at work and saw your post where someone e-mailed you asked for you by name and if you post here.....change every thing NOW!!!  i don't know whats going on but i don't want to see a monkey hurt...these people are willing to do anything and you are so close PLEASE PLEASE be careful.

I  Madibabe also had a weird contact a few days ago - someone contacted her by name and said something about trojans.  That is really scarey that someone is trying to get info from her and doubledecker too.

Please be careful Madibabe..you are apparently too close to something.

Let me clarify  I got an email yesterday from the person who emailed me saying that they didn't mean to scare me and that they got viruses from the sm site while looking around and stuff. She didn't mean to alarm me or anything . so It was an Innocent email message. not meant to be a threat or scare . Just thought ID update that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 25, 2009, 06:47:01 PM
madibabe~ My advice to you while you are posting here in this thread at Scared Monkeys is to simply post about the case of Lindsey Baum.  You are bringing stuff here by posting and wondering if someone elsewhere is calling you creepy or whatever.  Just ignore that stuff.  That discussion doesn't belong here.  There are a lot of very intelligent posters here and they can decided what is what.  If you want your fellow posters to respect you and to accept you, just be yourself and don't worry about what's said somewhere else.  JMHO


madibabe - I totally understand your point


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
Did you have other pictures from  the vigil, or just of the doggie in the car?  Did I miss them somewhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 25, 2009, 07:07:17 PM
Did you have other pictures from  the vigil, or just of the doggie in the car?  Did I miss them somewhere?

AZsunny - Muffy posted this photo, from the "Daily World" paper in the photo thread:

http://**/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt


(http://**/content/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.jpg)

Vigil for Lindsey Baum


Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


 
MACLEOD PAPPIDAS | THE DAILY WORLD 
Trenton Stevens, 9, and his sister Ariel, 7,  of Olympia join more than 100 people at a candlelight vigil for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum at Beerbower Park in McCleary on Friday night. Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 07:16:38 PM
boy this is slow going let me tell you

Campbell, Adam Lee
71xx 314th ST CT SO, Roy 98580


Personal Identifiers

Sex: M Ethnicity: White
Height: 6' Weight: 194
Age: 31 Hair Color: BLN
Eye Color: HAZ


Conviction Information
Convicting Crime: Child Molestation-1 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.083

Convicting Jurisdiction: Yakima
Level II

__________________

I can't find any campbells listed anywhere on 314th street in Roy, Wa


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 07:21:11 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 25, 2009, 07:24:08 PM
Did you have other pictures from  the vigil, or just of the doggie in the car?  Did I miss them somewhere?

AZsunny - Muffy posted this photo, from the "Daily World" paper in the photo thread:

http://**/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.txt


(http://**/content/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.jpg)

Vigil for Lindsey Baum


Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


 
MACLEOD PAPPIDAS | THE DAILY WORLD 
Trenton Stevens, 9, and his sister Ariel, 7,  of Olympia join more than 100 people at a candlelight vigil for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum at Beerbower Park in McCleary on Friday night. Baum disappeared on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.


Did WW attend or speak at vigil last night?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 25, 2009, 07:27:00 PM
Thanks for the pictures  ::MonkeyCool::  Have things changed around the city, are kids not outside playing, are neighbors looking at each other questioning different things? I just don't get this, on that evening someone really didn't see something? It sounds like people were out and about it was a nice evening, are people afraid to say anything? Something is just not sitting right with me with all this, does anyone think that perhaps Lindsey did make it home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 07:38:41 PM
No,  I don't think she made it home, but I agree something is just not right here. Someone saw something, or did something. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 07:39:19 PM
boy this is slow going let me tell you

Campbell, Adam Lee
71xx 314th ST CT SO, Roy 98580


Personal Identifiers

Sex: M Ethnicity: White
Height: 6' Weight: 194
Age: 31 Hair Color: BLN
Eye Color: HAZ


Conviction Information
Convicting Crime: Child Molestation-1 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.083

Convicting Jurisdiction: Yakima
Level II

__________________

I can't find any campbells listed anywhere on 314th street in Roy, Wa



According to google maps, that address is close to Fort Lewis and off Roy Highway. Did that on tip/comment say they saw her on Roy Highway with two men walking toward Fort Lewis?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 08:31:45 PM
yes he was speaking and running it. IMO he  is using this to his advantage to preach. Just my opinion thow. He spoke of a a time when he was getting a divorce and he left for 3 weeks during that time camping or something. and he knew his daughters would not be there when he got home. He also said something that stuck in my head. He said that because of lindsey people were comming together. I just didnt like the way that made me feel , but it could be just me. He also brought josh up and said that they had gone fishing ,i think the week before and josh cought a big fish. at the end we all gathered in a circle arount the baum and Kampin family for prayer. The kampin kids and Josh seemed to want to play more than say a prayer for lindsey. It seemed they could not stay focused. Maybe it just that they have spent many hours at these things and needed to play a bit. Josh seemed like a nice boy to tell you the truth. passing out candles to make sure everyone had one. KK went up twice to speak about never stop looking for lindsey and pray. Dont remember what elts she said. They played the song In my Daughters eyes by martina Mcbride. It was a tear jerker to say the least. Lindseys mom got up and spoke saying that she knows lindseys alive out there and we need to bring her home. WW consoled her at that point. She was very shook up. He seemed to keep it together pretty good the whole time. nyway i might have forgotten something but I can add it later if I remember.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:36:14 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 08:38:52 PM
boy this is slow going let me tell you

Campbell, Adam Lee
71xx 314th ST CT SO, Roy 98580


Personal Identifiers

Sex: M Ethnicity: White
Height: 6' Weight: 194
Age: 31 Hair Color: BLN
Eye Color: HAZ


Conviction Information
Convicting Crime: Child Molestation-1 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.083

Convicting Jurisdiction: Yakima
Level II

__________________

I can't find any campbells listed anywhere on 314th street in Roy, Wa



According to google maps, that address is close to Fort Lewis and off Roy Highway. Did that on tip/comment say they saw her on Roy Highway with two men walking toward Fort Lewis?

July 22, 2009 on King5.com News



Most Recent Comments: 3
urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway  being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell 253v 439 9515 or the house phone 253 843 4107.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway going southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon... 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 08:39:37 PM
 heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway going southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon... 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:41:04 PM
yes he was speaking and running it. IMO he  is using this to his advantage to preach. Just my opinion thow. He spoke of a a time when he was getting a divorce and he left for 3 weeks during that time camping or something. and he knew his daughters would not be there when he got home. He also said something that stuck in my head. He said that because of lindsey people were comming together. I just didnt like the way that made me feel , but it could be just me. He also brought josh up and said that they had gone fishing ,i think the week before and josh cought a big fish. at the end we all gathered in a circle arount the baum and Kampin family for prayer. The kampin kids and Josh seemed to want to play more than say a prayer for lindsey. It seemed they could not stay focused. Maybe it just that they have spent many hours at these things and needed to play a bit. Josh seemed like a nice boy to tell you the truth. passing out candles to make sure everyone had one. KK went up twice to speak about never stop looking for lindsey and pray. Dont remember what elts she said. They played the song In my Daughters eyes by martina Mcbride. It was a tear jerker to say the least. Lindseys mom got up and spoke saying that she knows lindseys alive out there and we need to bring her home. WW consoled her at that point. She was very shook up. He seemed to keep it together pretty good the whole time. nyway i might have forgotten something but I can add it later if I remember.
Yikes.....I didn't see any pictures of Wayne there.Was he the pastor that was standing with Melissa,Kara,Josh and Kara's daughter????    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 08:42:12 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 25, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 08:44:06 PM
yes he was speaking and running it. IMO he  is using this to his advantage to preach. Just my opinion thow. He spoke of a a time when he was getting a divorce and he left for 3 weeks during that time camping or something. and he knew his daughters would not be there when he got home. He also said something that stuck in my head. He said that because of lindsey people were comming together. I just didnt like the way that made me feel , but it could be just me. He also brought josh up and said that they had gone fishing ,i think the week before and josh cought a big fish. at the end we all gathered in a circle arount the baum and Kampin family for prayer. The kampin kids and Josh seemed to want to play more than say a prayer for lindsey. It seemed they could not stay focused. Maybe it just that they have spent many hours at these things and needed to play a bit. Josh seemed like a nice boy to tell you the truth. passing out candles to make sure everyone had one. KK went up twice to speak about never stop looking for lindsey and pray. Dont remember what elts she said. They played the song In my Daughters eyes by martina Mcbride. It was a tear jerker to say the least. Lindseys mom got up and spoke saying that she knows lindseys alive out there and we need to bring her home. WW consoled her at that point. She was very shook up. He seemed to keep it together pretty good the whole time. nyway i might have forgotten something but I can add it later if I remember.

Thanks for your observations of the evening and the pictures Madibabe.  When you said "he spoke' did you mean Wayne Watne?   It looks like they had it set up kind of strangely with the minister and music on one side of the fence, and everyone in the bleachers.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 08:46:51 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

Definitely communicating with 'someone' out there....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:47:36 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.
Thank you ConcernedMommy
Wow.....I don't think this looks like Wayne Watne at all....I dunno.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 08:47:38 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.

What was your impressions of the event?  thanks...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 08:49:38 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.
Thank you ConcernedMommy
Wow.....I don't think this looks like Wayne Watne at all....I dunno.



You know, I think it looks like him, just maybe a few extra pounds on that frame?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:51:27 PM
Hey Scandi
Please can you do me a favor?
Could you ask the locals from WS(that took all of the great pictures)if the pastor that was speaking at the vigil was Wayne Watne?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 08:51:55 PM
Is the third picture KK's daughter that was requesting to spend the night with Lindsey?  She must be so confused by all this.  My heart breaks for her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:54:03 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.
Thank you ConcernedMommy
Wow.....I don't think this looks like Wayne Watne at all....I dunno.



You know, I think it looks like him, just maybe a few extra pounds on that frame?
Yes,I was just looking at the pics I have and it does kinda look like a chunkyer version of him.....I guess I"m just kinda shocked because I forgot all about Wayne Watne until just now and didn't even think to ask if he was there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 25, 2009, 08:55:58 PM
Is the third picture KK's daughter that was requesting to spend the night with Lindsey?  She must be so confused by all this.  My heart breaks for her.
Yes,that's Lindsey's friend. Did you see the other pics from the vigil?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
boy this is slow going let me tell you

Campbell, Adam Lee
71xx 314th ST CT SO, Roy 98580


Personal Identifiers

Sex: M Ethnicity: White
Height: 6' Weight: 194
Age: 31 Hair Color: BLN
Eye Color: HAZ


Conviction Information
Convicting Crime: Child Molestation-1 Degree: 0
RCW: 9A.44.083

Convicting Jurisdiction: Yakima
Level II

__________________

I can't find any campbells listed anywhere on 314th street in Roy, Wa



According to google maps, that address is close to Fort Lewis and off Roy Highway. Did that on tip/comment say they saw her on Roy Highway with two men walking toward Fort Lewis?

July 22, 2009 on King5.com News



Most Recent Comments: 3
urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway  being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell 253v 439 9515 or the house phone 253 843 4107.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway going southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon... 


DD,
the phone number left in the comment is from Tacoma, WA and the cell is from Roy, WA. Is Tacoma related at all the A.L.C.? The two cities are 49 minutes apart, according to driving directions.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 25, 2009, 09:00:39 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
Name: Allen R Finkhouse
Birth Date: Aug 1935
Phone Number: xxxxxEdit: delete phone number
Address: 2002 S Curtis Ci, Boise, Idaho 83705-0801 (1993)
[None, Boise, Idaho 83705-0301 (1985)]
[9020 S Ash, Tacoma, Washington 98444] 



I don't know if this is anything that connects to Smilie? This person in connected to Smilie and the comment was made from someone from Tacoma...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 09:09:43 PM
DD, This could be interesting or not..LOL

Melinda married (1) David.

Melinda married (2) Marvin Glen THOMPSON son of Glen George THOMPSON and Louise TRATHER on 2 Oct 1977 in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California, USA. Marvin was born on 13 May 1948 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.

They had the following children:

         3922    M    i    Adam Campbell THOMPSON was born on 11 Jun 1978 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3923    M    ii    Alex Glen THOMPSON was born on 22 Dec 1980 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3924    M    iii    Andrew Lewis THOMPSON was born on 20 Nov 1984 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA.
         3925    M    iv    Aric Don THOMPSON was born on 6 Apr 1986 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA

Cited:

http://www.muchmore.org/mfa1G/pafg106.htm#4692

Sorry for all my posts, but if this is the same 31 year old A.L.C, then he was born in Tacoma!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 09:12:28 PM
Is the third picture KK's daughter that was requesting to spend the night with Lindsey?  She must be so confused by all this.  My heart breaks for her.
Yes,that's Lindsey's friend. Did you see the other pics from the vigil?

Yes,  I did see the ones that were posted here earlier.  thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:13:32 PM
oh crap I didn't mean to leave those numbers in there ugh.  I just copied the comment and posted it.  grrr.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:15:49 PM
DD, This could be interesting or not..LOL

Melinda married (1) David.

Melinda married (2) Marvin Glen THOMPSON son of Glen George THOMPSON and Louise TRATHER on 2 Oct 1977 in Long Beach, Los Angeles, California, USA. Marvin was born on 13 May 1948 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.

They had the following children:

         3922    M    i    Adam Campbell THOMPSON was born on 11 Jun 1978 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3923    M    ii    Alex Glen THOMPSON was born on 22 Dec 1980 in Tacoma, , Washington, USA.
         3924    M    iii    Andrew Lewis THOMPSON was born on 20 Nov 1984 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA.
         3925    M    iv    Aric Don THOMPSON was born on 6 Apr 1986 in Puyallup, , Washington, USA

Cited:

http://www.muchmore.org/mfa1G/pafg106.htm#4692

Sorry for all my posts, but if this is the same 31 year old A.L.C, then he was born in Tacoma!

I really don't have any reason to believe this is the sex offender Adam Lee Campbell.  This guys last name is Thompson.  but might be, but I don't know why his genealogy would have a totally different name? just my opinion.  I could be wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 09:15:49 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?

It is in code, but I think this is the 'translated code'  in my memory the orginal was much less readable.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:17:34 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?

I believe full well this is cryptic.  people are saying this is a bot...  I agree everyone can have their own opinion but I ASSURE you this is NOT a bot. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:19:21 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?

It is in code, but I think this is the 'translated code'  in my memory the orginal was much less readable.

this is abosolutely the original.  I copied it off of there when it first went on there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 09:30:34 PM
DD,
Could this be A.L.C's facebook?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Lee-Campbell/1556114697


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
DD,
Could this be A.L.C's facebook?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Adam-Lee-Campbell/1556114697

I looked at that one too but I could not tell. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 25, 2009, 09:35:19 PM
here is something else a local told me

This was sent to be by a local.  I have left out anything which might identify this person or the people telling this.

(name) saw a man in the bushes behind Shell the very next day after Lindsey went missing!  She called the cops and told them but they did nothing.  .... he had short hair and beard, stocky build and camo clothes.  she thought it was a deer at first, and then when she looked at him he took off. .....it's right behind the Shell by the park and ride, quiet   i don't know if (name) exactly told him bushes or just in back there of shell somewhere, but he ran off and she called the cops.  and according to her they did nothing  also don't know if she said short beard but definately short hair and beard and stocky.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 25, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
here is something else a local told me

This was sent to be by a local.  I have left out anything which might identify this person or the people telling this.

(name) saw a man in the bushes behind Shell the very next day after Lindsey went missing!  She called the cops and told them but they did nothing.  .... he had short hair and beard, stocky build and camo clothes.  she thought it was a deer at first, and then when she looked at him he took off. .....it's right behind the Shell by the park and ride, quiet   i don't know if (name) exactly told him bushes or just in back there of shell somewhere, but he ran off and she called the cops.  and according to her they did nothing  also don't know if she said short beard but definately short hair and beard and stocky.
  ::MonkeyEek:: Wow, do you think that the LE there is doing a good job, when you read things like this you really have to wonder. I'm very curious how the people in town there are acting, are they suspicious of each other, or just going about doing things like they did before. I'm sure or at least I would hope people are watching their kids closer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 09:45:12 PM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?

It is in code, but I think this is the 'translated code'  in my memory the orginal was much less readable.

this is abosolutely the original.  I copied it off of there when it first went on there. 
Well  I sort of understood it this time, and I didn't remember understanding any of it the first time I read it! LOL ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 25, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
I wish I could help with AC but I'm camping and can't access my database. Darn.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 10:23:48 PM
I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 25, 2009, 10:28:09 PM
I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 25, 2009, 10:35:59 PM
Disclaimer:  I have not been following the case closely at all.
The cryptic messages caught my attention.  First read it sounds to me like a foreigner - not proficient in English.

Second thought, and a brief google shows some hope is could the person be obsessed with a game such as World of Warcraft.  For example:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94940788&sid=1  mentions "state of world" - so this might be something or nothing.  For some reason since my son used to play this game, world of warcraft - came to mind as possible "meaning" to the code.  If anyone knows anyone who currently plays this game ask them if white house has any significance.  I will ask my son too. 

Just ideas - might be way off, but wanted to toss it out there so if it by any chance meant anything to you all who have followed this case closely.
Best,
ANJM  (mostly in Caylee thread)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 25, 2009, 10:48:42 PM
Hey Scandi
Please can you do me a favor?
Could you ask the locals from WS(that took all of the great pictures)if the pastor that was speaking at the vigil was Wayne Watne?

yes it was him and the only "preacher" that did speak and yes he said he has daughterS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 25, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
Disclaimer:  I have not been following the case closely at all.
The cryptic messages caught my attention.  First read it sounds to me like a foreigner - not proficient in English.

Second thought, and a brief google shows some hope is could the person be obsessed with a game such as World of Warcraft.  For example:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94940788&sid=1  mentions "state of world" - so this might be something or nothing.  For some reason since my son used to play this game, world of warcraft - came to mind as possible "meaning" to the code.  If anyone knows anyone who currently plays this game ask them if white house has any significance.  I will ask my son too. 

Just ideas - might be way off, but wanted to toss it out there so if it by any chance meant anything to you all who have followed this case closely.
Best,
ANJM  (mostly in Caylee thread)



I have two good friends obsessed with that game. I sent them a text and will let you know when the respond.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 11:24:05 PM
I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=1

Thank You Northern Rose..~Love~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 11:37:42 PM
Thank you for the pictures MadiBabe
Did you happen to see Wayne Watne there?Do you know the pastor's name?

I was at the vigil last night also, and I believe WW was the man leading it. I didn't ever hear his name said, but from the pictures here, and he said he was Josh's fishing buddy, I am sure it was him.
Thank you ConcernedMommy
Wow.....I don't think this looks like Wayne Watne at all....I dunno.


i believe that is him as 'hippy wayne' he looks the same as his myspace where he has the coffee cup...in other pics he is 'play-boy wayne, all wiskery and woodsey'


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 25, 2009, 11:37:59 PM
Hey Scandi
Please can you do me a favor?
Could you ask the locals from WS(that took all of the great pictures)if the pastor that was speaking at the vigil was Wayne Watne?

yes it was him and the only "preacher" that did speak and yes he said he has daughterS

I found this picture of Wayne if anyone wants to compare from 2 years ago.
(http://www.goskagit.com/article_images/S-fishing-derby-1-0606.07.jpg)

http://www.goskagit.com/home/print/8447/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 11:43:15 PM
Is wayne watne single, and Lindseys mother?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 25, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
No, wayne watne is not Lindsey's mother. LOL- sorry, I couldn't help myself, and needed to inject a little humor.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 11:49:28 PM
And do we have the name of Kara's boyfriend..sorry if this has all been
posted, thought maybe someone could tell me quicker than I can research the threads..Thank you...~Love~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 25, 2009, 11:50:15 PM
No, wayne watne is not Lindsey's mother. LOL- sorry, I couldn't help myself, and needed to inject a little humor.

lol...its ok, I need to laugh once in a while myself..Thanks Jess: ::cartwheel::..lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 25, 2009, 11:54:40 PM
My recollection is that Lindsey's mom is single (recently divorced). Not sure about WW. I thought he was single, but I can't remember for sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 11:55:01 PM
just to let ya'll know i do get e-mails from the white house, i signed up for them the add is
<president@messages.whitehouse.gov>
or
<info@messages.whitehouse.gov>
but anyway my point is is not one e-mail i have received has anything to do with any state law...at all, nothing, noda, zip.   there is something up in that town and i have a feeling many people are involved, not just with Lindsey but others as well.  not to change focus, but maybe we should start looking at people with the last name of white? = white house? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 25, 2009, 11:56:57 PM
No, wayne watne is not Lindsey's mother. LOL- sorry, I couldn't help myself, and needed to inject a little humor.
::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 25, 2009, 11:57:50 PM
Do we know for sure whether the FBI is still involved?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 12:00:42 AM
Do we know for sure whether the FBI is still involved?
i couldn't tell ya, i have no clue ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 26, 2009, 12:03:22 AM
My guess is they are, but would really be interested in knowing for sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 12:13:42 AM
Disclaimer:  I have not been following the case closely at all.
The cryptic messages caught my attention.  First read it sounds to me like a foreigner - not proficient in English.

Second thought, and a brief google shows some hope is could the person be obsessed with a game such as World of Warcraft.  For example:  http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=94940788&sid=1  mentions "state of world" - so this might be something or nothing.  For some reason since my son used to play this game, world of warcraft - came to mind as possible "meaning" to the code.  If anyone knows anyone who currently plays this game ask them if white house has any significance.  I will ask my son too. 

Just ideas - might be way off, but wanted to toss it out there so if it by any chance meant anything to you all who have followed this case closely.
Best,
ANJM  (mostly in Caylee thread)
hubs plays WOW and after i read him the e-mails he said it has nothing to do with world of warcraft.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 12:16:54 AM
My guess is they are, but would really be interested in knowing for sure.
i would hope so...i would like to have faith in the FBI and not think they just bailed out 'cause ??????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 12:22:37 AM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it
  ::MonkeyConfused::  Is this somekind of code, or does he not know how to structure a sentence?

I can not tell you how many times I have read this.

It is either someone with too much time on their hands, English is not their first language, or code speak.  When I did a search for the words in "" I came up with stimulus projects.  Is there a Obama make work project going on in the area such as road construction?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 01:40:38 AM
Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 02:13:01 AM
the strange posts were the evening before the lady posted the next day

Adam


07/21/2009
17:07 h  
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam


07/21/2009
17:09 h  
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


The way that this is typed could also be caused by an hearing impairment?
Also noting that if he does have an hearing impairment then it would be easier
to communicate via internet etc.,latter; via phone..I am not ruling him out...jus sayin..Also taking note that on both Adam Lee Campbell myspace profiles they
list themselves as a Pisces,which is the date of Feb 20-March 20? That might help in finding a birth date or something...He is a hard one to research!!!


Name:     ADAM LEE CAMPBELL      Registration #:      6273

• Age:     31     • Height:     6.00
• Sex:    M    • Weight:    173
• Race:    Caucasian    • Eyes:    Hazel
• Hair:    Brown
• Scars/Tattoos:    Scar on (***HEARING IMPAIRED***)

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=825298&AgencyID=54528


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 26, 2009, 03:13:29 AM
 

Superior Court Case Summary
 
 
Court: Yakima Superior
Case Number: 07-2-04278-3

Sub    Docket Date    Docket Code  Docket Description Misc Info
1        12-12-2007       PTORPRT      Pet Ord For Protection 
2        12-12-2007       TMORPRT     Temp Ord For Protection/ Nt Of Hg 
          12-12-2007       INFO           Information To Ypd/yso 
3        12-12-2007       ST              Statement Of Pet Re Unknown Srv Address 
4        12-12-2007       RQ              Request For Interpreter Services
                                                  (american Sign Language) 
5  12-17-2007 SHRTS  Sheriff's Return Of Service -temp 
 12-20-2007 CHMIN
 Court Hearing Minutes
S/t Of Adam Campbell; Crt G/s Ord 
     For Protection (patricia Mathes,   
     Prose/adam Campbell, Prose/ Sign   
     Lang Inter) Dv/am Ftryk2   
     (ottem/cc) S/t Of Patricia Mathes;   
6  12-20-2007 ORPRT  Ord For Protection (ottem) 

 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 26, 2009, 03:17:57 AM
 

Superior Court Case Summary
 
 
Court: Yakima Superior
Case Number: 07-2-04278-3

Sub    Docket Date    Docket Code  Docket Description Misc Info
1        12-12-2007       PTORPRT      Pet Ord For Protection 
2        12-12-2007       TMORPRT     Temp Ord For Protection/ Nt Of Hg 
          12-12-2007       INFO           Information To Ypd/yso 
3        12-12-2007       ST              Statement Of Pet Re Unknown Srv Address 
4        12-12-2007       RQ              Request For Interpreter Services
                                                  (american Sign Language) 
5  12-17-2007 SHRTS  Sheriff's Return Of Service -temp 
 12-20-2007 CHMIN
 Court Hearing Minutes
S/t Of Adam Campbell; Crt G/s Ord 
     For Protection (patricia Mathes,   
     Prose/adam Campbell, Prose/ Sign   
     Lang Inter) Dv/am Ftryk2   
     (ottem/cc) S/t Of Patricia Mathes;   
6  12-20-2007 ORPRT  Ord For Protection (ottem) 

 
 

Sorry I didn't mean to post that before a finished fix it. This is a case for domestic violence for Adam lee campbell. It also notes that he is hearing impaired, so I assume it is the same guy.

Superior Court Case Summary
 
 
Court: Yakima Superior
Case Number: 07-2-04278-3

Sub    Docket Date    Docket Code  Docket Description Misc Info
1        12-12-2007       PTORPRT      Pet Ord For Protection 
2        12-12-2007       TMORPRT     Temp Ord For Protection/ Nt Of Hg 
          12-12-2007       INFO           Information To Ypd/yso 
3        12-12-2007       ST              Statement Of Pet Re Unknown Srv Address 
4        12-12-2007       RQ              Request For Interpreter Services
                                                  (american Sign Language) 
5        12-17-2007       SHRTS         Sheriff's Return Of Service -temp 
          12-20-2007       CHMIN         Court Hearing Minutes
                                                  S/t Of Adam Campbell; Crt G/s Ord 
                                                  For Protection (patricia Mathes,   
                                                  Prose/adam Campbell, Prose/ Sign   
                                                  Lang Inter) Dv/am Ftryk2   
                                                  (ottem/cc) S/t Of Patricia Mathes;   
6        12-20-2007        ORPRT        Ord For Protection (ottem) 

 http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.casesummary&casenumber=07-2-04278-3&searchtype=sName&crt_itl_nu=S39&cc=DVP&fd=2007-12-12&token=0CCAF9B90BC95AA2CDE80854134D80CD&dt=2556C4A92FF90D8D280FA7FDF7A0D4FE


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 26, 2009, 04:01:36 AM
According to several locals that attended from WS. The pastor that spoke was not WW.

WW did attend though and was in the bleachers.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=3


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 26, 2009, 04:09:12 AM
Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Michelle Bart

::shudders::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 26, 2009, 06:07:03 AM
Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Michelle Bart

::shudders::

Anyone else find it disgusting that a person that is claiming to be a voice for justice and missing children was/is still defending and supporting the family of Casey Anthony and defending Casey herself? Lying to the public numerous times while be a spokesperson for this family.

Where is Justice for Caylee in that?

I wouldn't want any help for my missing child from a person with such questionable values and morals. Sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:39:19 AM
Hey Scandi
Please can you do me a favor?
Could you ask the locals from WS(that took all of the great pictures)if the pastor that was speaking at the vigil was Wayne Watne?

yes it was him and the only "preacher" that did speak and yes he said he has daughterS
Thanks MadiBabe
Someone should have asked him why he removed all of those pictures from his photobucket.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:44:23 AM
Hey Scandi
Please can you do me a favor?
Could you ask the locals from WS(that took all of the great pictures)if the pastor that was speaking at the vigil was Wayne Watne?

yes it was him and the only "preacher" that did speak and yes he said he has daughterS

I found this picture of Wayne if anyone wants to compare from 2 years ago.
(http://www.goskagit.com/article_images/S-fishing-derby-1-0606.07.jpg)

http://www.goskagit.com/home/print/8447/
Thanks Northern
I was checking out his hairline,seems he has a higher forehead in this pic above when compared to this pic below.Maybe it's just the bangs and the hat.....



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:48:05 AM
And do we have the name of Kara's boyfriend..sorry if this has all been
posted, thought maybe someone could tell me quicker than I can research the threads..Thank you...~Love~
Sorry if this was already answered.
Kara's guy is Scott Williams.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:51:14 AM
According to several locals that attended from WS. The pastor that spoke was not WW.

WW did attend though and was in the bleachers.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=3
Thank you Pink!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 10:05:14 AM
Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Michelle Bart

::shudders::

Anyone else find it disgusting that a person that is claiming to be a voice for justice and missing children was/is still defending and supporting the family of Casey Anthony and defending Casey herself? Lying to the public numerous times while be a spokesperson for this family.

Where is Justice for Caylee in that?

I wouldn't want any help for my missing child from a person with such questionable values and morals. Sorry.

I agree with you Pink,Michelle is just out to make a name for herself off the backs of missing children.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 10:58:21 AM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:49:22 AM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 12:02:12 PM
still doing morning chores, don't have a lot of time, but checking in between.

ok I just want to tell you that I am pretty dang sure that post on lindsey's guestbook IS adam lee campbell 31, sex offender out of yakima.  I can't tell you HOW I know this, but I am just about 100% positive.  If it is not him then someone knows all about him and has pretended to be him even before lindsey went missing.  that is just about a zilch thought... so I say it IS him. 

so lets just say it is him for a sec.  Why would he be posting on lindsey's guestbook?  Does he know something he is trying to tell someone?  or is he involved and leaving weird messages?  or did he just decide to go post stuff on her guestbook?  why would a convicted sex offender be posting on lindsey's guestbook? Can you think of a reason? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 12:20:07 PM
Could Adam Campbell be really trying to help?  Maybe he knows something about someone who is doing this stuff?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 
Try searching the case number:
15 Baum, Joshua S
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  09-9-80050-4  04-09-2009
16 Baum, Joshua S
Defendant  G H Co Superior  09-8-00024-5  03-02-2009

If that doesn't work I could just post the info here but seeing how he's a juvenile I don't know if that's allowed?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 12:45:13 PM
Could Adam Campbell be really trying to help?  Maybe he knows something about someone who is doing this stuff?
That is very possible DD.There was another SO you were reserching about on here,somewhere(I think?)that was either there when another SO was taking pics and abusing girls or he had heard about it.....I can't remember who that was...maybe the Smiley case?Anyway,I think SO's like to stick together.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 12:50:24 PM
Could Adam Campbell be really trying to help?  Maybe he knows something about someone who is doing this stuff?
That is very possible DD.There was another SO you were reserching about on here,somewhere(I think?)that was either there when another SO was taking pics and abusing girls or he had heard about it.....I can't remember who that was...maybe the Smiley case?Anyway,I think SO's like to stick together.

I think we really need to pay attention to what Adam is saying. I personally am taking this guy seriously. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 12:53:57 PM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 
Try searching the case number:
15 Baum, Joshua S
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  09-9-80050-4  04-09-2009
16 Baum, Joshua S
Defendant  G H Co Superior  09-8-00024-5  03-02-2009

If that doesn't work I could just post the info here but seeing how he's a juvenile I don't know if that's allowed?
well,  I can find the docate info, and community supervision, but can't see what the crime might be.   I don't know if you can post or not, but is it public info? if so  is would think yes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 01:06:16 PM
I search through the WA court docs as well, but I do not understand why they post a juvenile as public record?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 01:06:57 PM
Could Adam Campbell be really trying to help?  Maybe he knows something about someone who is doing this stuff?
That is very possible DD.There was another SO you were reserching about on here,somewhere(I think?)that was either there when another SO was taking pics and abusing girls or he had heard about it.....I can't remember who that was...maybe the Smiley case?Anyway,I think SO's like to stick together.

I think we really need to pay attention to what Adam is saying. I personally am taking this guy seriously. 
I agree


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 01:18:28 PM
Could Adam Campbell be really trying to help?  Maybe he knows something about someone who is doing this stuff?
That is very possible DD.There was another SO you were reserching about on here,somewhere(I think?)that was either there when another SO was taking pics and abusing girls or he had heard about it.....I can't remember who that was...maybe the Smiley case?Anyway,I think SO's like to stick together.

I think we really need to pay attention to what Adam is saying. I personally am taking this guy seriously. 
I agree

I do as well...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 01:20:08 PM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 
Try searching the case number:
15 Baum, Joshua S
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  09-9-80050-4  04-09-2009
16 Baum, Joshua S
Defendant  G H Co Superior  09-8-00024-5  03-02-2009

If that doesn't work I could just post the info here but seeing how he's a juvenile I don't know if that's allowed?
well,  I can find the docate info, and community supervision, but can't see what the crime might be.   I don't know if you can post or not, but is it public info? if so  is would think yes.
I'm sorry AZSunny,I misunderstood what you were asking.No,I have no clue what he was going to court for but whatever happened happened around 3/1/09,then he was on probation/parole on $500.00 then on 3/19/09 he plead guilty and count 3(whatever that is)was dropped.
On 4/27/09 an order for revoking/modifying probation.
On 5/7/09 probation violation hearing.
I just think it may not be a coincidence that Lindsey wrote on her MS that she's happy her brother is going to juvie tomorrow(written on 6/17/09)then Josh has a court hearing on 6/18/09.
Lindsey went missing on 6/26/09 and Josh had a court hearing on 6/25/09......or the notice went out on 6/25/09 and the hearing was continued to 7/2/09.
Just something weird about this....all of it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 01:20:58 PM
I search through the WA court docs as well, but I do not understand why they post a juvenile as public record?

I don't understand either, but someone said it was of a felony nature, perhaps that makes a difference.  My curiosity is peaked.  I am wondering if he was attacking Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 01:22:09 PM
I saw that this morning as well on WS, would love to know what Lindsey's brother did. I know I shouldn't say this, but there is something about that kid that bothers me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 01:22:18 PM
I search through the WA court docs as well, but I do not understand why they post a juvenile as public record?
I was just as surprised as I always thought those were sealed or something.....but it doesn't say what his offences are,just the court preceedings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 01:24:46 PM
I search through the WA court docs as well, but I do not understand why they post a juvenile as public record?

I don't understand either, but someone said it was of a felony nature, perhaps that makes a difference.  My curiosity is peaked.  I am wondering if he was attacking Lindsey?
It would have to be something of that nature, or maybe he did some harm to another kid besides Lindsey? A felony nature, and he is what 12 years old? From the pictures of the vigil, he looks older to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 01:32:18 PM
I saw that this morning as well on WS, would love to know what Lindsey's brother did. I know I shouldn't say this, but there is something about that kid that bothers me.
Yes,something about him bugs me too.I don't know what it is.....just gives me the heebie jeebies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 01:33:48 PM
I saw that this morning as well on WS, would love to know what Lindsey's brother did. I know I shouldn't say this, but there is something about that kid that bothers me.
I'm also wondering if the person assigned to be Josh's"community Leader"person is Wayne Watne.Wayne still creeps me out.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 02:00:02 PM
I think WW and MB are more than friends..jus sayin


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 02:02:36 PM
Thanks Karma...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 02:08:34 PM
I think WW and MB are more than friends..jus sayin
::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 02:09:11 PM
Thanks Karma...
You're welcome sweet AZSunny   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
Sooooo,was Wayne Watne at the vigil or not?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 02:37:34 PM
Sooooo,was Wayne Watne at the vigil or not?   ::MonkeyConfused::
yes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
eek i need advice.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
eek i need advice.
it regards something i feel (jmo) about jb but i don't quite feel right about posting it.  its just a feeling i have but i don't want to ?? slander him?  not really slander but its an observation that i don't really feel comfortable posting out in the open.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 02:56:25 PM
According to several locals that attended from WS. The pastor that spoke was not WW.

WW did attend though and was in the bleachers.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=3

I do not believe he was ever a pastor? But a Missionary, and seems as if that is not his first priority.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 02:58:20 PM
eek i need advice.
it regards something i feel (jmo) about jb but i don't quite feel right about posting it.  its just a feeling i have but i don't want to ?? slander him?  not really slander but its an observation that i don't really feel comfortable posting out in the open.

Mama, I would let a Mod know...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:00:32 PM
eek i need advice.
it regards something i feel (jmo) about jb but i don't quite feel right about posting it.  its just a feeling i have but i don't want to ?? slander him?  not really slander but its an observation that i don't really feel comfortable posting out in the open.

Mama, I would let a Mod know...
its jmo nothing on the record or anything, just a feeling i have.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:01:27 PM
i'm going mod searching....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:04:37 PM
i see that Nut4x4 is around here somewhere...i just can't find her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:12:12 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 03:17:02 PM
hi everyone,

just been catching up on some of the latest research about adam campbell...i think its very strange that he's posting on lindsey's messageboard, i also think that his writing is terrible and wonder if hes typing like that on purpose or if he just does not know how to write a sentence/doesn't have an education/or has a learning disability or developmental disorder.

it is true that sometimes perps will try to insert themselves into an investigation. maybe adam campbell is directly involved/responsible for lindsey's disappearance and this is his way of trying to be involved and relive his crime, he prob just didn't count on people figuring out the connection.  (great work dd!)

i personally think that one person committed this abduction, who that person is im unsure of as i feel like i change my mind every other day in this case.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:18:17 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 03:29:05 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again

What's up?  Is there anything I can do for you?  Here is Klaas' email if it's something you are really concerned about:  smklaas@hotmail.com

BTW, you can't report yourself.  You need to either report someone else or have them report you.  There is a place in the email to the mods where you can make a note. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again

What's up?  Is there anything I can do for you?  Here is Klaas' email if it's something you are really concerned about:  smklaas@hotmail.com

BTW, you can't report yourself.  You need to either report someone else or have them report you.  There is a place in the email to the mods where you can make a note. 
its not a concern its just an observation...if i were to say i thought a minor had issues with their sexuality would it wrong?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:38:19 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again

What's up?  Is there anything I can do for you?  Here is Klaas' email if it's something you are really concerned about:  smklaas@hotmail.com

BTW, you can't report yourself.  You need to either report someone else or have them report you.  There is a place in the email to the mods where you can make a note. 
its not a concern its just an observation...if i were to say i thought a minor had issues with their sexuality would it wrong?
sorry would it BE wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 03:49:48 PM
LOL I think you just said it  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 03:51:33 PM
i also have some concerns about jb. his behavior has been reported as being odd since lindsey disappeared, and having a felony on his juvenile record at his age is clearly concerning...i just cant wrap my head around how if he was involved he would have been able to keep it quiet this long, or would have been able to hide her somewhere. i really want to know what his juvenile offense was. i know there are cases where young teens are involved but they are usually messy, at least all of the ones i have heard of. im sure the fbi and police have access to his full juvenile record and have prob looked at him closely (i hope).  i also think we need to know if his mother can account for where jb was during the time lindsey went missing. i would hope the police asked her this question during her polygraph test but who knows. i think its time that the mother calls texas equusearch, i know that kk suggested this to her, could there be a reason she hasn't called?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 03:51:46 PM
adam campbell summary - update
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-age-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t232.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 03:51:52 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again

What's up?  Is there anything I can do for you?  Here is Klaas' email if it's something you are really concerned about:  smklaas@hotmail.com

BTW, you can't report yourself.  You need to either report someone else or have them report you.  There is a place in the email to the mods where you can make a note. 
its not a concern its just an observation...if i were to say i thought a minor had issues with their sexuality would it wrong?
sorry would it BE wrong

mamacrazy~  Is there any valid proof of this, or is it a suspicion?  Would there be anything gained in the case for making the statement?  Does their family possibly read here, and if so, do you think they would like to have that discussed?  Personally, I would be careful when speaking about minors, especially if you have no evidence.  JMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:53:13 PM
LOL I think you just said it  ::MonkeyDevil::
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 03:55:09 PM
What's going on here?  Sorry I was away from my computer.  Is there a problem Mamacrazy?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:56:11 PM
shoot, i'm just gonna report myself to find nut ::MonkeyConfused::
it won't let me...off on the mod hunt again

What's up?  Is there anything I can do for you?  Here is Klaas' email if it's something you are really concerned about:  smklaas@hotmail.com

BTW, you can't report yourself.  You need to either report someone else or have them report you.  There is a place in the email to the mods where you can make a note. 
its not a concern its just an observation...if i were to say i thought a minor had issues with their sexuality would it wrong?
sorry would it BE wrong

mamacrazy~  Is there any valid proof of this, or is it a suspicion?  Would there be anything gained in the case for making the statement?  Does their family possibly read here, and if so, do you think they would like to have that discussed?  Personally, I would be careful when speaking about minors, especially if you have no evidence.  JMHO
just an observation to try to explain behavior.  i don't know about the family and i would just assume they would have a problem with homosexuality in general if they had an issue. no i have no evidence it is one of those JMO things


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 03:57:59 PM
eek i need advice.
it regards something i feel (jmo) about jb but i don't quite feel right about posting it.  its just a feeling i have but i don't want to ?? slander him?  not really slander but its an observation that i don't really feel comfortable posting out in the open.

You have already put it out in the open, especially with the posts you've made afterward.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think from an ethical point of view, it's wrong here.  You are talking about a minor.  If you have have to ask yourself these questions, maybe you should listen to the little voice and just not do it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:58:04 PM
What's going on here?  Sorry I was away from my computer.  Is there a problem Mamacrazy?
not a real one. i'm just trying to decide if i should post an observation/thought or if i should just keep it under my hat. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 03:58:20 PM
i also have some concerns about jb. his behavior has been reported as being odd since lindsey disappeared, and having a felony on his juvenile record at his age is clearly concerning...i just cant wrap my head around how if he was involved he would have been able to keep it quiet this long, or would have been able to hide her somewhere. i really want to know what his juvenile offense was. i know there are cases where young teens are involved but they are usually messy, at least all of the ones i have heard of. im sure the fbi and police have access to his full juvenile record and have prob looked at him closely (i hope).  i also think we need to know if his mother can account for where jb was during the time lindsey went missing. i would hope the police asked her this question during her polygraph test but who knows. i think its time that the mother calls texas equusearch, i know that kk suggested this to her, could there be a reason she hasn't called?
I feel the same way, and am very bothered with my feelings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 03:58:36 PM
eek i need advice.
it regards something i feel (jmo) about jb but i don't quite feel right about posting it.  its just a feeling i have but i don't want to ?? slander him?  not really slander but its an observation that i don't really feel comfortable posting out in the open.

You have already put it out in the open, especially with the posts you've made afterward.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I think from an ethical point of view, it's wrong here.  You are talking about a minor.  If you have have to ask yourself these questions, maybe you should listen to the little voice and just not do it. 
heard!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 03:59:25 PM
Mamacrazy - I see no benefit in wondering about Lindsey's brothers sexuality.  Who the heck cares?  Now the trouble he's had with authority might be important, but not his sexuality.  I think it's inappropriate to speculate in that fashion.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:02:14 PM
Mamacrazy - I see no benefit in wondering about Lindsey's brothers sexuality.  Who the heck cares?  Now the trouble he's had with authority might be important, but not his sexuality.  I think it's inappropriate to speculate in that fashion.



heard!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:06:00 PM
mods please remove my posts

NO - We will not remove posts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 04:06:35 PM
i also have some concerns about jb. his behavior has been reported as being odd since lindsey disappeared, and having a felony on his juvenile record at his age is clearly concerning...i just cant wrap my head around how if he was involved he would have been able to keep it quiet this long, or would have been able to hide her somewhere. i really want to know what his juvenile offense was. i know there are cases where young teens are involved but they are usually messy, at least all of the ones i have heard of. im sure the fbi and police have access to his full juvenile record and have prob looked at him closely (i hope).  i also think we need to know if his mother can account for where jb was during the time lindsey [/b]went missing. i would hope the police asked her this question during her polygraph test but who knows. i think its time that the mother calls texas equusearch, i know that kk suggested this to her, could there be a reason she hasn't called?
I feel the same way, and am very bothered with my feelings.


These would be things for law enforcement, not for you and me, imo.  If jb has commited a crime, remember he is a juvenile and is afforded a certain amount of protection/confidentiality under THE LAW.  JMHO



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 04:08:39 PM
mods please remove my posts

No, we aren't going to remove posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 26, 2009, 04:10:20 PM
I really like you guys and don't want to step on toes, but please be careful what you write about the brother.  I don't know him nor do I have any information on him but I do know how hard it is to adjust into society if there is something different about you.  He may have autism or he may just be at that awkward age, who knows?  Please be careful. if other kids read this and talk, I would be very painful. (imho)

I personally don't see how he could have hurt her. He would have needed help (i.e no car, etc).  I think it is someone with more resources.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:12:47 PM
I really like you guys and don't want to step on toes, but please be careful what you write about the brother.  I don't know him nor do I have any information on him but I do know how hard it is to adjust into society if there is something different about you.  He may have autism or he may just be at that awkward age, who knows?  Please be careful. if other kids read this and talk, I would be very painful. (imho)

I personally don't see how he could have hurt her. He would have needed help (i.e no car, etc).  I think it is someone with more resources.

agreed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 04:13:12 PM
Atlanta Mom - I agree and I really think the McLeary PD would be all over it if they thought JB was a danger.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:16:41 PM
i just want everyone to know my intention to try to bash anyone, nor to hurt a minor.  thats why i wanted mods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 26, 2009, 04:16:53 PM
I really like you guys and don't want to step on toes, but please be careful what you write about the brother.  I don't know him nor do I have any information on him but I do know how hard it is to adjust into society if there is something different about you.  He may have autism or he may just be at that awkward age, who knows?  Please be careful. if other kids read this and talk, I would be very painful. (imho)

I personally don't see how he could have hurt her. He would have needed help (i.e no car, etc).  I think it is someone with more resources.


Atlanta, I totally agree with you.  If a child doesn't "fit" in with all the others kids, they often start acting out, bullying, etc.  It is their way of trying to cope with being a little different.  Unless what he did or may be now is relevant to Lindsey coming home, we are not "entitled" to know it all.  If Lindsey was having a hard time with the divorce, possibly he was too.  And I can tell you, at times when I was their age, my brother and I fought like cats and dogs, but the bottom line was and is we loved each other.  Yes, he may be ackward in the way he handles things, but to be thrust in the limelight like he has been I am sure is uncomfortable, even for those with a lot more self-confidence.  I also agree, I think it is someone Lindsey knows, I do not think it is her brother. JMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 26, 2009, 04:18:01 PM
i just want everyone to know my intention to try to bash anyone, nor to hurt a minor.  thats why i wanted mods.

I respect you got advice from the mods.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 04:18:28 PM

i was just watching this show 48 hours and the episode takes place in washington state, the  cop interviewed on this specific case involving a missing woman said that its not good to start processing an area for clues when its dark out b/c you could miss something or disturb something that you would normally find during the daylight... i know this is far fetched but maybe the cops didnt do a great search the night lindsey went missing and this gave the abductor time to hide things and or move things, especially if they are a local and not just someone passing through the area


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:18:55 PM
i just want everyone to know my intention to try to bash anyone, nor to hurt a minor.  thats why i wanted mods.
oh jeeze NOT to bash anyone. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:20:36 PM

i was just watching this show 48 hours and the episode takes place in washington state, the  cop interviewed on this specific case involving a missing woman said that its not good to start processing an area for clues when its dark out b/c you could miss something or disturb something that you would normally find during the daylight... i know this is far fetched but maybe the cops didnt do a great search the night lindsey went missing and this gave the abductor time to hide things and or move things, especially if they are a local and not just someone passing through the area
jmo but i betcha' a dollar to a doughnut that they though she ran away....i know they don't think that now, but i'm sure it was running through some heads.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 04:22:37 PM
Sooooo,was Wayne Watne at the vigil or not?   ::MonkeyConfused::
I borrowed this from BoonDock at WS.

This is the video from the 1st vigil and right in the very beginning is the same man that was the"pastor"from the 2nd vigil.
So if that was Wayne Watne in the 1st vigil that must also be Wayne in the 2nd vigil because they are obviously the same man.
I still don't think either men are Wayne Watne.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 26, 2009, 04:26:40 PM
i just want everyone to know my intention to try to bash anyone, nor to hurt a minor.  thats why i wanted mods.

I know that you were not trying to hurt anyone.  Kids are just so fragile at this age.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 04:31:07 PM
hi everyone,

just been catching up on some of the latest research about adam campbell...i think its very strange that he's posting on lindsey's messageboard, i also think that his writing is terrible and wonder if hes typing like that on purpose or if he just does not know how to write a sentence/doesn't have an education/or has a learning disability or developmental disorder.

it is true that sometimes perps will try to insert themselves into an investigation. maybe adam campbell is directly involved/responsible for lindsey's disappearance and this is his way of trying to be involved and relive his crime, he prob just didn't count on people figuring out the connection.  (great work dd!)

i personally think that one person committed this abduction, who that person is im unsure of as i feel like i change my mind every other day in this case.



I think all of the info on Adam Campbell needs to be gathered up and sent to the FBI or Sheriff or both.I think a few posters on WS also sent info in on him so maybe if they get enough email about him they might do something about it?I sure hope so.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
Sooooo,was Wayne Watne at the vigil or not?   ::MonkeyConfused::
I borrowed this from BoonDock at WS.

This is the video from the 1st vigil and right in the very beginning is the same man that was the"pastor"from the 2nd vigil.
So if that was Wayne Watne in the 1st vigil that must also be Wayne in the 2nd vigil because they are obviously the same man.
I still don't think either men are Wayne Watne.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/




I believe it is Wayne according to this article.  The first vigil was 7/1/09 in the video above and here is an article mentioning Wayne's name:

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum

Emotional vigil held for missing Washington girl, Lindsey Baum
July 1, 6:09 PM · Cindy Adams - Crime Examiner

Lindsey BaumTuesday night, the town of McCleary, Wash. held an emotional vigil at Beerbower Park for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared Friday night. The attendees held candles, cried, and prayed for the girl’s safe return.

A makeshift memorial of stuffed animals, flowers, and balloons was placed on one of the park’s fences.

A large piece of paper where supporters could leave messages for the family, was also erected at the memorial, with notes saying, “I hope you come back Lindsey you where [sic] my best friend I want you back I want you back home safe” and “May God bless you and may you be safe.”

A neighbor of Lindsey’s, Jennifer Estes told The Daily World, “They live right behind us. Michaela [Jennifer’s daughter] rides her bike and walks by herself all the time.

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

Friday night, Lindsey had gone to a friend’s house to spend the night, but the girl’s mother said no. The friend spoke to the crowd, saying, “I saw her at the end of Maple [Street]. I always think if my mom and me would’ve done something different this wouldn’t have happened.”

Watne encouraged the crowd to applaud the friend and said, “Nobody blames you.”

Lindsey’s brother, Josh Baum stood and said, “I’m very sad. I want you guys to find my sister. Amen!”

The crowd ended the vigil by walking to Lindsey’s home and presenting a sign to her brother that simply said, “Hope.”

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pastor70109vigil.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 04:39:05 PM
I read along here all the time, but I never post much. My biggest question is why Melissa Baum would not ask for help from Equisearch?
At this point, I would be reaching for any help possible.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I also have a question about old hidden water wells, that may have been covered in large rocks or buildings. Is it normal to have water wells in the area? I think the simplest answer is the best. I believe from all the facts, this was a local, and Lindsay is still in the area. We all hope she is alive, but my belief is she is not. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 04:40:11 PM
Thank you Klaas for the clarification.  It looked like the same person, at least to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 04:40:16 PM
i also have some concerns about jb. his behavior has been reported as being odd since lindsey disappeared, and having a felony on his juvenile record at his age is clearly concerning...i just cant wrap my head around how if he was involved he would have been able to keep it quiet this long, or would have been able to hide her somewhere. i really want to know what his juvenile offense was. i know there are cases where young teens are involved but they are usually messy, at least all of the ones i have heard of. im sure the fbi and police have access to his full juvenile record and have prob looked at him closely (i hope).  i also think we need to know if his mother can account for where jb was during the time lindsey [/b]went missing. i would hope the police asked her this question during her polygraph test but who knows. i think its time that the mother calls texas equusearch, i know that kk suggested this to her, could there be a reason she hasn't called?
I feel the same way, and am very bothered with my feelings.


These would be things for law enforcement, not for you and me, imo.  If jb has commited a crime, remember he is a juvenile and is afforded a certain amount of protection/confidentiality under THE LAW.  JMHO



i am well aware of the laws protecting minors. just b/c i "want" to know something, as im sure most of us do doesn't mean i feel entitled to need to know that information. i'm sorry if my post came across that way.  i feel that working for child protective services for many years and seeing so many disturbing things on a daily basis makes my mind go places it probobaly shouldn't on a messageboard and i will keep these thoughts to myself from now on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 04:40:40 PM
Sooooo,was Wayne Watne at the vigil or not?   ::MonkeyConfused::
I borrowed this from BoonDock at WS.

This is the video from the 1st vigil and right in the very beginning is the same man that was the"pastor"from the 2nd vigil.
So if that was Wayne Watne in the 1st vigil that must also be Wayne in the 2nd vigil because they are obviously the same man.
I still don't think either men are Wayne Watne.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/




I believe it is Wayne according to this article.  The first vigil was 7/1/09 in the video above and here is an article mentioning Wayne's name:

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum

Emotional vigil held for missing Washington girl, Lindsey Baum
July 1, 6:09 PM · Cindy Adams - Crime Examiner

Lindsey BaumTuesday night, the town of McCleary, Wash. held an emotional vigil at Beerbower Park for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, who disappeared Friday night. The attendees held candles, cried, and prayed for the girl’s safe return.

A makeshift memorial of stuffed animals, flowers, and balloons was placed on one of the park’s fences.

A large piece of paper where supporters could leave messages for the family, was also erected at the memorial, with notes saying, “I hope you come back Lindsey you where [sic] my best friend I want you back I want you back home safe” and “May God bless you and may you be safe.”

A neighbor of Lindsey’s, Jennifer Estes told The Daily World, “They live right behind us. Michaela [Jennifer’s daughter] rides her bike and walks by herself all the time.

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

Friday night, Lindsey had gone to a friend’s house to spend the night, but the girl’s mother said no. The friend spoke to the crowd, saying, “I saw her at the end of Maple [Street]. I always think if my mom and me would’ve done something different this wouldn’t have happened.”

Watne encouraged the crowd to applaud the friend and said, “Nobody blames you.”

Lindsey’s brother, Josh Baum stood and said, “I’m very sad. I want you guys to find my sister. Amen!”

The crowd ended the vigil by walking to Lindsey’s home and presenting a sign to her brother that simply said, “Hope.”

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Pastor70109vigil.jpg)

Thank you Klaas
So I guess that is Wayne Watne.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:40:40 PM
ww seems ???  overly involved in this?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 04:43:19 PM
ww seems ???  overly involved in this?
Seems that way but who the heck knows?I have a headache.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 04:44:42 PM
ww seems ???  overly involved in this?

Well I'm not sure if he is overly involved or simply involved in a small community.  I think he needs to be looked at very thoroughly though and I'm sure LE is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
I read along here all the time, but I never post much. My biggest question is why Melissa Baum would not ask for help from Equisearch?
At this point, I would be reaching for any help possible.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I also have a question about old hidden water wells, that may have been covered in large rocks or buildings. Is it normal to have water wells in the area? I think the simplest answer is the best. I believe from all the facts, this was a local, and Lindsay is still in the area. We all hope she is alive, but my belief is she is not. JMO
i don't know miss Mae another this that bothered me is this
Quote
“I don’t want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don’t want anything like that. I want everyone to know my daughter is missing,” said Melissa Baum, the missing-girl’s mother.
the tone of that seems off to me.  but who knows???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 04:48:06 PM
There are some pictures of McCleary on their towns website.  These are discussing the flooding in January.  It is pretty common around that area to have flooding.   Check out this website for some picures of the drain canal we discussed, and see how wide it really is.  If this goes under the street, it is very wide, no as it appears with all the plants overgrown. 

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={E826C197-7887-4FAA-83CE-EDA999FE502B}


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 26, 2009, 04:57:07 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Sorry for the OT:

Mamacrazy? Were you looking for a mod? I'll go back to my thread, and wait for you there, k?

CBB-she found a mod.  And she found Klaasend, so she's good to go.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 04:58:08 PM
Maybe a local can say, but I was wondering how long the water and sewer service was provided by the McCleary city department? Have they ever done a house to house search on Lindsay's route home? My question is because I wonder how many closed water wells and septic tanks there are in the area that have never been looked at in the residential areas?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 04:58:13 PM
i also have some concerns about jb. his behavior has been reported as being odd since lindsey disappeared, and having a felony on his juvenile record at his age is clearly concerning...i just cant wrap my head around how if he was involved he would have been able to keep it quiet this long, or would have been able to hide her somewhere. i really want to know what his juvenile offense was. i know there are cases where young teens are involved but they are usually messy, at least all of the ones i have heard of. im sure the fbi and police have access to his full juvenile record and have prob looked at him closely (i hope).  i also think we need to know if his mother can account for where jb was during the time lindsey [/b]went missing. i would hope the police asked her this question during her polygraph test but who knows. i think its time that the mother calls texas equusearch, i know that kk suggested this to her, could there be a reason she hasn't called?
I feel the same way, and am very bothered with my feelings.


These would be things for law enforcement, not for you and me, imo.  If jb has commited a crime, remember he is a juvenile and is afforded a certain amount of protection/confidentiality under THE LAW.  JMHO



i am well aware of the laws protecting minors. just b/c i "want" to know something, as im sure most of us do doesn't mean i feel entitled to need to know that information. i'm sorry if my post came across that way.  i feel that working for child protective services for many years and seeing so many disturbing things on a daily basis makes my mind go places it probobaly shouldn't on a messageboard and i will keep these thoughts to myself from now on.

sunshine~  Thanks for explaining what you meant.  I think I read into what you posted differently than you intended.  I cannot imagine how difficult it must have been for you when you worked at CPS.  You don't really need to keep some of the thoughts to yourself that you mentioned, it's just that I've found some people believe they have a right to know things-the "feel entitled to know" that you mentioned, and want to go above and beyond the law.  I'm just cautious about things said that involve minors here, because it's an open forum.  I think we're on the same page...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 04:59:25 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Sorry for the OT:

Mamacrazy? Were you looking for a mod? I'll go back to my thread, and wait for you there, k?

CBB-she found a mod.  And she found Klaasend, so she's good to go.   ::MonkeyWink::

Taken care of CBB  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 26, 2009, 05:00:55 PM
Hi Monkeys!

Sorry for the OT:

Mamacrazy? Were you looking for a mod? I'll go back to my thread, and wait for you there, k?

CBB-she found a mod.  And she found Klaasend, so she's good to go.   ::MonkeyWink::

Taken care of CBB  ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 05:05:10 PM
I read along here all the time, but I never post much. My biggest question is why Melissa Baum would not ask for help from Equisearch?
At this point, I would be reaching for any help possible.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I also have a question about old hidden water wells, that may have been covered in large rocks or buildings. Is it normal to have water wells in the area? I think the simplest answer is the best. I believe from all the facts, this was a local, and Lindsay is still in the area. We all hope she is alive, but my belief is she is not. JMO


i agree, i also have concerns over why she has not asked for help from equusearch.

 ::MonkeyConfused::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 05:09:21 PM

i was just watching this show 48 hours and the episode takes place in washington state, the  cop interviewed on this specific case involving a missing woman said that its not good to start processing an area for clues when its dark out b/c you could miss something or disturb something that you would normally find during the daylight... i know this is far fetched but maybe the cops didnt do a great search the night lindsey went missing and this gave the abductor time to hide things and or move things, especially if they are a local and not just someone passing through the area

this could be, this is what the person was thinking that guy was doing in back of the shell station the next morning when she saw him and the guy ran.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 05:11:17 PM
Lindsey went missing on June 26, 2009.  If there was a decomposition smell it might have been missed do to the Waste Water Flushing that was going on between 6/22 and 7/2

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CAF3B3FA-696A-4B0F-B441-C68ADF931009}

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WasteSystemFlushing.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WasteWaterFlushingNotice.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 05:11:45 PM
Maybe a local can say, but I was wondering how long the water and sewer service was provided by the McCleary city department? Have they ever done a house to house search on Lindsay's route home? My question is because I wonder how many closed water wells and septic tanks there are in the area that have never been looked at in the residential areas?

One thing that bothers me is the routine newscast that say 4 or 5 short blocks, a 10 minute walk to her home.  When you look at that area, it is not a neighborhood walk with houses on both sides of the street, this is through some very busy "high traffic" areas for the little town and it looks longer than a 10 minute walk.  She is crossing a pretty major street by the gas station.  (not like a city would consider a major street) There are many cars parked around that area. There are businesses a block over from where she was walking.  I would not let a grandchild of mine walk in the area without an adult, particularly if it was getting close to nightfall.  Perhaps I am so cautious because I have lived in more urban areas, but it is very concerning to me.  Small towns have different attitudes about such things I guess.  "it can't happen here" but it did!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 05:16:54 PM
hi everyone,

just been catching up on some of the latest research about adam campbell...i think its very strange that he's posting on lindsey's messageboard, i also think that his writing is terrible and wonder if hes typing like that on purpose or if he just does not know how to write a sentence/doesn't have an education/or has a learning disability or developmental disorder.

it is true that sometimes perps will try to insert themselves into an investigation. maybe adam campbell is directly involved/responsible for lindsey's disappearance and this is his way of trying to be involved and relive his crime, he prob just didn't count on people figuring out the connection.  (great work dd!)

i personally think that one person committed this abduction, who that person is im unsure of as i feel like i change my mind every other day in this case.



I think all of the info on Adam Campbell needs to be gathered up and sent to the FBI or Sheriff or both.I think a few posters on WS also sent info in on him so maybe if they get enough email about him they might do something about it?I sure hope so.

the police know about adam


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 26, 2009, 05:18:50 PM
Maybe a local can say, but I was wondering how long the water and sewer service was provided by the McCleary city department? Have they ever done a house to house search on Lindsay's route home? My question is because I wonder how many closed water wells and septic tanks there are in the area that have never been looked at in the residential areas?

One thing that bothers me is the routine newscast that say 4 or 5 short blocks, a 10 minute walk to her home.  When you look at that area, it is not a neighborhood walk with houses on both sides of the street, this is through some very busy "high traffic" areas for the little town and it looks longer than a 10 minute walk.  She is crossing a pretty major street by the gas station.  (not like a city would consider a major street) There are many cars parked around that area. There are businesses a block over from where she was walking.  I would not let a grandchild of mine walk in the area without an adult, particularly if it was getting close to nightfall.  Perhaps I am so cautious because I have lived in more urban areas, but it is very concerning to me.  Small towns have different attitudes about such things I guess.  "it can't happen here" but it did!

I was thinking the other day about Lindsey's walk home.  There is no doubt, I would not let my child do it.  But then again I work in a field where I see bad things.  When I was a child, I walked down the street to my friends house (about 2 miles).  I rode the bike in the neighborhood (on a busy street).  I don't think my mom was a bad mother; maybe a little naive.  Or maybe times were just different then.   ::MonkeyNoNo:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 05:19:32 PM
Maybe a local can say, but I was wondering how long the water and sewer service was provided by the McCleary city department? Have they ever done a house to house search on Lindsay's route home? My question is because I wonder how many closed water wells and septic tanks there are in the area that have never been looked at in the residential areas?

One thing that bothers me is the routine newscast that say 4 or 5 short blocks, a 10 minute walk to her home.  When you look at that area, it is not a neighborhood walk with houses on both sides of the street, this is through some very busy "high traffic" areas for the little town and it looks longer than a 10 minute walk.  She is crossing a pretty major street by the gas station.  (not like a city would consider a major street) There are many cars parked around that area. There are businesses a block over from where she was walking.  I would not let a grandchild of mine walk in the area without an adult, particularly if it was getting close to nightfall.  Perhaps I am so cautious because I have lived in more urban areas, but it is very concerning to me.  Small towns have different attitudes about such things I guess.  "it can't happen here" but it did!
i agree it does seem longer than a ten min. walk as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 05:25:05 PM
mark klaas said on ng that he thinks the answer lies within lindsey's walk home and that everyone along that route should be interviewed. im wondering if theres anyone along that route that lives alone and would be able to hide lindsey in their home without anyone else taking notice...i am going to go look into that now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 05:29:47 PM
mark klaas said on ng that he thinks the answer lies within lindsey's walk home and that everyone along that route should be interviewed. im wondering if theres anyone along that route that lives alone and would be able to hide lindsey in their home without anyone else taking notice...i am going to go look into that now.

I do not know the age of the dwellings and structures along her way. But I would be looking at the older ones first. Or vacant lots where older ones used to be.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 05:33:44 PM
More to the point, besides interviewing the people along the route, there should be a house to house search. I do not think that has ever been done.

Although Jessica Lunsford was killed thousands of miles away from McCleary, the lessons learned there should not be forgotten. She was buried just yards away from her own home.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 05:35:23 PM
More to the point, besides interviewing the people along the route, there should be a house to house search. I do not think that has ever been done.

Although Jessica Lunsford was killed thousands of miles away from McCleary, the lessons learned there should not be forgotten. She was buried ALIVE just yards away from her own home.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

SELF EDIT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 05:40:44 PM
hi everyone,

just been catching up on some of the latest research about adam campbell...i think its very strange that he's posting on lindsey's messageboard, i also think that his writing is terrible and wonder if hes typing like that on purpose or if he just does not know how to write a sentence/doesn't have an education/or has a learning disability or developmental disorder.

it is true that sometimes perps will try to insert themselves into an investigation. maybe adam campbell is directly involved/responsible for lindsey's disappearance and this is his way of trying to be involved and relive his crime, he prob just didn't count on people figuring out the connection.  (great work dd!)

i personally think that one person committed this abduction, who that person is im unsure of as i feel like i change my mind every other day in this case.



I think all of the info on Adam Campbell needs to be gathered up and sent to the FBI or Sheriff or both.I think a few posters on WS also sent info in on him so maybe if they get enough email about him they might do something about it?I sure hope so.

the police know about adam
Thanks DD


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 05:46:52 PM
There are some pictures of McCleary on their towns website.  These are discussing the flooding in January.  It is pretty common around that area to have flooding.   Check out this website for some picures of the drain canal we discussed, and see how wide it really is.  If this goes under the street, it is very wide, no as it appears with all the plants overgrown. 

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={E826C197-7887-4FAA-83CE-EDA999FE502B}

I am goint to  bring this forward.  The website shows some of the area. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 05:48:53 PM
I saw Nancy Grace's interview with Melissa Baum last week. I was struck by the lack of emotion and how animated she was when she was speaking about Lindsay. I had to look twice to make sure Nancy was actually talking to Lindsay's mother, and not some acquiantance or friend. I also saw an interview last week with Lindsay's father. Although he had not seen Lindsay for over a year, he seemed much more stressed and emotional. I don't know what this means, maybe nothing....or maybe it does. JMO



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 05:50:39 PM
mark klaas said on ng that he thinks the answer lies within lindsey's walk home and that everyone along that route should be interviewed. im wondering if theres anyone along that route that lives alone and would be able to hide lindsey in their home without anyone else taking notice...i am going to go look into that now.
As far as I can tell,they have not searched all the homes and out buildings along Lindsey's route.I know Kara was saying a few of her neighbors were never checked and she lives right on Maple st.Also a few of the empty Beehive apartments were not checked and cleared by LE.A local from WS claims they helped cleared those empty apartments.Then you have the LE announcing for the people who live there to please check and clear any out buildings on their properties.....uummmm......WTH?
So I could kill someone,stash their body in my shed then run down to the LE station and say"check!all clear!".....

I truly believe that Lindsey was snatched by a SO who has relatives and/or friends in McCleary.He was visiting,saw Lindsey walking that looooooooooong 6-7-8 blocks and just took her.
Could be someone she saw in town a lot and thought she knew him.
Still praying for a safe return of Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 26, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D

im sure some of you have already seen this but i just wanted to post a link to the mccleary police department. i noticed they only have three officers listed in the town and are currently looking for another officer. i'm wondering if the fbi looks at the activity of police officers when a child goes missing?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 05:53:28 PM
http://www.harvestvisionministries.org/usnews.html

June 2009 US News

Thanks to each of you that have connected with us “George Henson” through Facebook and MySpace. Also, thanks to Kylee who is still helping to maintain the website. Since we launched the new website, we have had almost 10,000 visits.

The month started out with Robert LaCount and Adam Waldron bringing Elisabeth back from San Luis, Mexico to visit and minister after dropping off George and the worship trailer. It was a great time of fellowship during the week in San Luis. George spent the month in San Luis, finalizing the work on registering the ministry in Mexico, visiting different church families, helping Chindo and Rosario prepare to move into their new home and helping organize the first outreaches using the new worship trailer.

Elisabeth was able to spend her few weeks in Washington visiting family and sharing at Hamilton First Baptist Church, Concrete Community Bible Church, Northern Peaks Christian Fellowship and church families meeting at Dale Robertson’s and Armando Lopez’s. Harvest Vision also had a celebration at “The Well” in Mt. Vernon where Bruce Weicht joined with the musicians from Lyman Baptist church for praise and singing and Elisabeth shared her testimony and words of encouragement. A “Mexico” reunion was held when Wayne Watne came up to visit from Chehalis Valley. Wayne fixed a fish and seafood extravaganza for friends that gathered at the Henson’s home in Sedro Woolley.

We are excited that Wayne will be more actively coordinating ministry in the Chehalis Valley and we are revising the website to accommodate communication to the Chrisitan brothers and sisters that are in his sphere of influence. Please keep Wayne in prayer as he seeks to bring the body into stronger unity and increase the influence of the Chrisitan witness in that area.
(snipped)

About an hour south of McCleary:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/McClearytoChehalisWA.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 05:54:43 PM
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D

im sure some of you have already seen this but i just wanted to post a link to the mccleary police department. i noticed they only have three officers listed in the town and are currently looking for another officer. i'm wondering if the fbi looks at the activity of police officers when a child goes missing?

The Grays Harbor Sheriff department is also on the case:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/index.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
There are some pictures of McCleary on their towns website.  These are discussing the flooding in January.  It is pretty common around that area to have flooding.   Check out this website for some picures of the drain canal we discussed, and see how wide it really is.  If this goes under the street, it is very wide, no as it appears with all the plants overgrown. 

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={E826C197-7887-4FAA-83CE-EDA999FE502B}

I am goint to  bring this forward.  The website shows some of the area. 

Thank You.  ::MonkeyWink::

I have looked at that site, but it still did not answer my questions about older buildings or when water and sewer service was first offered by the city.

Does anyone know why there are no active searches going on at this time?  Obviously, not everything has been searched, even inside the town. Is there a political atmosphere there where there is a lot of struggle for power? Is there someone there that might be involved that has someone on their side to prevent any further investigation? All I have heard is they are not searching, and no one know why not. Am I wrong?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 06:03:09 PM
Here is the You tube copy of  Nancy Grace show about Lindsey.  It shows the  map of SO's in the area! Apparently there were searches with dogs and the rivers/ponds in area. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3dnBUutlQ


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
Here is the You tube copy of  Nancy Grace show about Lindsey.  It shows the  map of SO's in the area! Apparently there were searches with dogs and the rivers/ponds in area. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3dnBUutlQ
Thanks AZSunny
9 registered SO within McCleary and that's not counting all the SO who are not registered and who are supposed to register but didn't and now are all roaming around free to do whatever their perverted little minds tell them to do.
It's a dang shame.
I also wish they would quit saying it was only a 4 block walk for Lindsey when we can see exactly how many blocks it was.
Sorry,I have to get out of here for a while.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 06:40:39 PM
http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D

im sure some of you have already seen this but i just wanted to post a link to the mccleary police department. i noticed they only have three officers listed in the town and are currently looking for another officer. i'm wondering if the fbi looks at the activity of police officers when a child goes missing?

The Grays Harbor Sheriff department is also on the case:

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/index.htm
oh thank god.  if there is only three officers in mccleary they need all the help they can get.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 06:47:41 PM
we have no media thread for Lindsey...i will start one but i don't know how to post vids etc.  can ya'll post all NG, local media on it as well?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 07:04:34 PM
Lindsey went missing on June 26, 2009.  If there was a decomposition smell it might have been missed do to the Waste Water Flushing that was going on between 6/22 and 7/2.          Now that is very upsetting, thanks for posting about this  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:05:13 PM
Here is the You tube copy of  Nancy Grace show about Lindsey.  It shows the  map of SO's in the area! Apparently there were searches with dogs and the rivers/ponds in area. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3dnBUutlQ

I have seen that video before, as I was watching the night it was aired. But watching it again brings me to why would LE go almost directly to divers in the creeks, streams and ponds to look for her, and have a helicopter searching? You start in the area where she was last seen, search there completely before you move out in circles  gradually. It appears to me that here last locations were NOT completely searched. I did see some searchers walking down the sidewalk, but it didn't look then, and it doesn't seem not that a complete search was done.

I have only started posting here, but I have been reading along. They have searched the forest many miles from there, and along the RR tracks. I have as many questions as most of you. I don't think the LE and the searches have been focused. JMO  This has been way too long for her to be gone and not found in this small remote area. I pray for her each night.

I have not come in here to stir up anyone, but am only looking at this with somewhat fresher eyes. There are many SO's in the area. And many that are flying under the radar.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 07:18:48 PM
Lindsey went missing on June 26, 2009.  If there was a decomposition smell it might have been missed do to the Waste Water Flushing that was going on between 6/22 and 7/2.          Now that is very upsetting, thanks for posting about this  ::MonkeyEek::

I agree no rose colored glasses.

Klaas ... thanks for the posting.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 07:19:11 PM
Lindsey went missing on June 26, 2009.  If there was a decomposition smell it might have been missed do to the Waste Water Flushing that was going on between 6/22 and 7/2.          Now that is very upsetting, thanks for posting about this  ::MonkeyEek::

No Rose - sometimes I'm too matter of fact about things.  Yes, very upsetting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 26, 2009, 07:20:24 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:22:04 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Well, call them please.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 07:23:42 PM
Here is the You tube copy of  Nancy Grace show about Lindsey.  It shows the  map of SO's in the area! Apparently there were searches with dogs and the rivers/ponds in area. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ3dnBUutlQ

I have seen that video before, as I was watching the night it was aired. But watching it again brings me to why would LE go almost directly to divers in the creeks, streams and ponds to look for her, and have a helicopter searching? You start in the area where she was last seen, search there completely before you move out in circles  gradually. It appears to me that here last locations were NOT completely searched. I did see some searchers walking down the sidewalk, but it didn't look then, and it doesn't seem not that a complete search was done.

I have only started posting here, but I have been reading along. They have searched the forest many miles from there, and along the RR tracks. I have as many questions as most of you. I don't think the LE and the searches have been focused. JMO  This has been way too long for her to be gone and not found in this small remote area. I pray for her each night.

I have not come in here to stir up anyone, but am only looking at this with somewhat fresher eyes. There are many SO's in the area. And many that are flying under the radar.


Well, we always can use a new set of eyes.  A lot of attention has been placed on searching for SO's in the area. DD has done a lot of work in tracking these guys down, and has reported some findings to the LE.   I am troubled in that video, that have called on all of the volunteers in town to do the searching. Does that mean the 9 SO in the area also?    They say the entire town of 1500.  Who is watching the volunteers who are doing these searches.  It just really needs more police officers that are trained to do this type of investigation. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 07:27:21 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:35:31 PM


Well, we always can use a new set of eyes.  A lot of attention has been placed on searching for SO's in the area. DD has done a lot of work in tracking these guys down, and has reported some findings to the LE.   I am troubled in that video, that have called on all of the volunteers in town to do the searching. Does that mean the 9 SO in the area also?    They say the entire town of 1500.  Who is watching the volunteers who are doing these searches.  It just really needs more police officers that are trained to do this type of investigation. 

If you know, does Washington state have something like the GBI in Georgia, or the FDLE in Florida? A state investigative service, that comes in and helps small towns and difficult cases?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 26, 2009, 07:36:23 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 07:36:43 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 07:39:35 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 07:40:52 PM


Well, we always can use a new set of eyes.  A lot of attention has been placed on searching for SO's in the area. DD has done a lot of work in tracking these guys down, and has reported some findings to the LE.   I am troubled in that video, that have called on all of the volunteers in town to do the searching. Does that mean the 9 SO in the area also?    They say the entire town of 1500.  Who is watching the volunteers who are doing these searches.  It just really needs more police officers that are trained to do this type of investigation. 

If you know, does Washington state have something like the GBI in Georgia, or the FDLE in Florida? A state investigative service, that comes in and helps small towns and difficult cases?

I do not know.  I lived in Washington State in the Seattle area for 25 years, but I have been gone since 1991.  Many things have changed.  I was never aware of anything like that, but can't say if it exists or not. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:40:57 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I hope it is not because of me that you got upset. If so, I will quit posting and go back to lurking.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 07:42:04 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMP.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 07:42:37 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 


I think the FBI or PD or Sheriff before the tip line, it is probably not being monitored over the weekend.  I doubt the state patrol is involved in this as an active investigation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 07:46:24 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I hope it is not because of me that you got upset. If so, I will quit posting and go back to lurking.  ::MonkeyAngel::
NO way Fanny!
I like having you here.I was frustrated by this case,frustrated because IMO Lindsey being missing this long is very urgent and it seems like in McCleary...noting is urgent.I also frustrated because they aren't doing any searches(that I can tell)and of course the media just fades away because they don't have anyone like the anthonys in this case.
I like you Fanny.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:50:34 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 


I think the FBI or PD or Sheriff before the tip line, it is probably not being monitored over the weekend.  I doubt the state patrol is involved in this as an active investigation.

I have found this link. There is an criminal investagative divison. Also a forensics lab. Does anyone know if they are working with the police and sheriff's department on Lindsay's case? Usually, this type of service sends all the help that is requested, and will bring in LE from all over to help search.
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/crimecon.htm




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 07:51:45 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I hope it is not because of me that you got upset. If so, I will quit posting and go back to lurking.  ::MonkeyAngel::
NO way Fanny!
I like having you here.I was frustrated by this case,frustrated because IMO Lindsey being missing this long is very urgent and it seems like in McCleary...noting is urgent.I also frustrated because they aren't doing any searches(that I can tell)and of course the media just fades away because they don't have anyone like the anthonys in this case.
I like you Fanny.

I like you too, Karma.  ::MonkeyAngel:: And I understand how you feel. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 07:53:15 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



What a very well written and sensitive article.  I believe I read that they were having trouble locating a site for the rescue center.  It is so sad that her small community will not help if they have this type of facility. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 08:02:14 PM


It makes sense that ... in the process of elimination ... every home/property on Maple between Sixth Street where the witness sighting took place and the Baum residence should be searched.  It makes sense that ... in the process of elimination ... the Baum's residence should also be searched.

Janet

+++++++

NANCY GRACE - July 23, 2009

STACEY NEWMAN, NANCY GRACE PRODUCER, COVERING STORY: Well, as of this week, Nancy, investigators have been re-canvassing outlying areas of this town, using search dogs, just trying to come up with any leads to find this little 11-year-old girl who simply just vanished into thin air.

NANCY GRACE: Take me back, Stacey. In a nutshell, how did she go missing?

NEWMAN: Here`s what happened. Little 11-year-old Lindsey Baum headed to a friend`s home for a usual play date. After a couple of hours there at the friend`s house, the friend`s parents told Lindsey, please return to your house because it was getting dark that night.

Lindsey walked home just a short six blocks. And then out of nowhere, at about 9:15, she simply seemed to just vanish into thin air. For about an hour, Lindsey`s mom, a couple of friends, searched desperately for the little girl. Her cell phone is still at home on the charger. Absolutely no sign of the little girl. Then she was reported missing.

GRACE: Joining me right now, a very special guest, Melissa Baum, Lindsey`s mother.

Miss Baum, thank you for being with us. Could you tell us.

MELISSA BAUM (via phone): Thank you for having me.

GRACE: Yes, ma`am. What is the latest in the search for your little girl?

M. BAUM: Right now, they`re still just following up on tips. They still are getting tips in, from my understanding, and they`re following up. But at this point, there`s -- we don`t know of anything new. Nothing has come up new.

GRACE: Miss Baum, a neighbor saw her on her way home and can verify that she was, in fact, alive at that time on the way home. Do you know this neighbor? Are you sure they saw Lindsey Baum?

M. BAUM: I know of one.

GRACE: Yes.

M. BAUM: And, yes, she -- she`s actually someone I work with, so she does know Lindsey quite well.

GRACE: So about what time.

M. BAUM: And she has given me.

GRACE: . was that, Melissa? What time did the neighbor spot her?

M. BAUM: The neighbor spot her about 9:15.

MARC KLAAS: Well, you know, this is an extremely small community. It`s off the beaten track. I think you go from the point that she was last seen and then you start checking with every neighbor (INAUDIBLE) at that point and the girl`s home.


JOSH BAUM

I am not accusing Josh Bram of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but ... when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying factors … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out  Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest in regards to a connection with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM
»

Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM
»

Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 08:03:13 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



What a very well written and sensitive article.  I believe I read that they were having trouble locating a site for the rescue center.  It is so sad that her small community will not help if they have this type of facility. 
Right....shoot,just set the command center up in the community hall and let's get on with the searches.I can't believe someone doesn't have a trailer or garage or something to offer for the command center.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I believe the silence from the media in the Lindsey Baum case has everything to do with the silence from LE.

I pray that LE/FBI knows something and ... the investigation is attempting to bring it all together.

Janet

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.  

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:09:23 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



What a very well written and sensitive article.  I believe I read that they were having trouble locating a site for the rescue center.  It is so sad that her small community will not help if they have this type of facility. 
Right....shoot,just set the command center up in the community hall and let's get on with the searches.I can't believe someone doesn't have a trailer or garage or something to offer for the command center.

Or a room at one of the churches!  Not the outreach facility, but one of them!  I guess they are looking for the visibilty of the building too so people know where to go. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:10:24 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/


I AM SADDEND ALSO THAT NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL HELP!!!!!!!!!
The end of one of the comments, and I ask why is this, having grown up in a small town as well, this does not seem right to me. People usually help one another, are they afraid of something? Do they not like the Baum family? Something is off on this. And even the vigil the other night, sure didn't seem to me to be that many people in attendance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:11:28 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:13:21 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I believe the silence from the media in the Lindsey Baum case has everything to do with the silence from LE.

I pray that LE/FBI knows something and ... the investigation is attempting to bring it all together.

Janet

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.  

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

And has the FBI talked with everyone in the area?  The people in the houses on the street?   If they are saying this is not a stranger abduction, but she was taken from someone that is known to the town, why is the mother saying she doesn't think she is still in McCleary?  She thinks she has been taken out of town.  ( or she did, she may have changed her mind by now)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:13:59 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



What a very well written and sensitive article.  I believe I read that they were having trouble locating a site for the rescue center.  It is so sad that her small community will not help if they have this type of facility. 
Right....shoot,just set the command center up in the community hall and let's get on with the searches.I can't believe someone doesn't have a trailer or garage or something to offer for the command center.

Surely, if no one in McCleary will offer a building, someone even nearby could offer a camper to be put up in a parking lot. It looks like the sheriff or the police chief have not ask for help. Obviously, they don't want any help, and maybe really don't want her found. Which leads me right back to the question. Is there some political or personal reason for not doing these things?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:15:17 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:20:01 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/


I AM SADDEND ALSO THAT NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL HELP!!!!!!!!!
The end of one of the comments, and I ask why is this, having grown up in a small town as well, this does not seem right to me. People usually help one another, are they afraid of something? Do they not like the Baum family? Something is off on this. And even the vigil the other night, sure didn't seem to me to be that many people in attendance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is very sad..... so very sad and it gets my blood boiling because of it...Through research this community and surrounding communities are flooded with ex cons, SO's etc.. I think there is major drug use going on and even when a child is missing it seems as if the community only cares about themselves getting in trouble for their wrongs so they stay away...Jus sayin, I don't know, but to be honest i would be leery of living there or in any of the surrounding areas. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!

BINGO!!

I am so disgusted with the press conferences coming out of McCleary LE in regards to the search for Lindsey Baum ... I am beginning to speculate that something is hinky.

The focus of the searches tend to be everywhere rather than the obvious ... the home and properties as well as the residents along Lindsey Baum's route home following the witness' observation.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:21:08 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I believe the silence from the media in the Lindsey Baum case has everything to do with the silence from LE.

I pray that LE/FBI knows something and ... the investigation is attempting to bring it all together.

Janet

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.  

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

So, does anyone know if there is more FBI working on this besides Assistant FBI special agent in charge, Ron Twersky?? I am almost positive that he is not from McCleary, and has a rather large district to cover. Also, the sheriff or police chief have to ask for assistance most of the time, even on a missing child. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:22:29 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!

BINGO!!

I am so disgusted with the press conferences coming out of McCleary LE in regards to the search for Lindsey Baum ... I am beginning to speculate that something is hinky.

The focus of the searches tend to be everywhere rather than the obvious ... the home and properties as well as the residents along Lindsey Baum's route home following the witness' observation.

Janet



That has been my observation, and why I began to post here. They have NOT done the obvious.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:22:29 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/


I AM SADDEND ALSO THAT NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL HELP!!!!!!!!!
The end of one of the comments, and I ask why is this, having grown up in a small town as well, this does not seem right to me. People usually help one another, are they afraid of something? Do they not like the Baum family? Something is off on this. And even the vigil the other night, sure didn't seem to me to be that many people in attendance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It is very sad..... so very sad and it gets my blood boiling because of it...Through research this community and surrounding communities are flooded with ex cons, SO's etc.. I think there is major drug use going on and even when a child is missing it seems as if the community only cares about themselves getting in trouble for their wrongs so they stay away...Jus sayin, I don't know, but to be honest i would be leery of living there or in any of the surrounding areas. ::MonkeyNoNo::
I think you are right, and it reminds me of Satsuma Florida, and little Haleigh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:23:28 PM
 I am just speculating here...mind is wandering.

I read that the divorce was granted in March 09.  Just recently. 

Did the family live in Arizona before?  I thought I read that.  If so, when and why did they move back to a small town like McCleary?  Was the mother from that area?  Does she have relatives in the area?  It just seems an unlikely place to settle if you have never lived in the area. 

Does the mother have a boyfriend? 

The 'town drunk' that someone talked to that was taking pictures, did not like the family.  He said the jewlerer didn't like the family.  Probably the rambling of an old drunk, but why were they disliked, if in fact they were? 

I guess I don't have enough information, but things just aren't adding up for me. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: madibabe on July 26, 2009, 08:23:35 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 
I did call the tipline. they were very interested in the info i had to give. they wiill contact me  just to let you know i did contact will keep u posted on what i hear


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:25:46 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 08:26:24 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/


I AM SADDEND ALSO THAT NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL HELP!!!!!!!!!
The end of one of the comments, and I ask why is this, having grown up in a small town as well, this does not seem right to me. People usually help one another, are they afraid of something? Do they not like the Baum family? Something is off on this. And even the vigil the other night, sure didn't seem to me to be that many people in attendance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Could it be that the residents of McCleary feel in their hearts that Lindsey Baum was not kidnapped ... that the answers to this little girl's disappearance lies very close to home?

What other reason would there be for the apathy?  It does not make sense.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:26:29 PM
I noticed on the McCleary Town site that the mayor and commissioners have an open meeting every 2nd and 4th Wednesday. Have the doubts about what is going on there been brought up at those meetings by the residents, or is the format that you have to submit your questions and statements ahead of time? I see they also have a "closed door" meeting for about an hour before the public one. Is that where they decide who can ask what question?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 
I did call the tipline. they were very interested in the info i had to give. they wiill contact me  just to let you know i did contact will keep u posted on what i hear

Was this a tipline at the police station?  I hope so!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 08:29:48 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 
I did call the tipline. they were very interested in the info i had to give. they wiill contact me  just to let you know i did contact will keep u posted on what i hear

Thanks Madibabe - I believe you did the right thing.  Let us know what you can when and if you can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:31:52 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/


I AM SADDEND ALSO THAT NO ONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL HELP!!!!!!!!!
The end of one of the comments, and I ask why is this, having grown up in a small town as well, this does not seem right to me. People usually help one another, are they afraid of something? Do they not like the Baum family? Something is off on this. And even the vigil the other night, sure didn't seem to me to be that many people in attendance.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Could it be that the residents of McCleary feel in their hearts that Lindsey Baum was not kidnapped ... that the answers to this little girl's disappearance lies very close to home?

What other reason would there be for the apathy?  It does not make sense.

Janet


That is what I'm thinking, I hate where my thoughts are with this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:32:14 PM
I always keep in mind that no matter what race, no matter what organization, no matter what religion, no matter what anything, there is usually one bad one in the bunch!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 08:34:34 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

I just woke up, read email.  crap, let me get you a number


or ask Klaas..

klaas, she REALLY REALLY has to have a direct phone # to someone NOW NOW NOW

I will email you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
Well I hope whatever tip this is, will be the answer to where Lindsey is  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:39:42 PM
And i do not like where my heart is with this either, no rose colored glasses, I seem to get a mixed emotions of thinking things about either the family involved, or the people that are suppose to serve and protect. But that is what society has been taught, but now in this day and age I do not find where I feel comfortable in trusting anyone unless proven. This is a child a little girl, this is a child who could not help herself, a child amongst all other child that needs us. So to me, although my heart feels indifferent, I believe in the investigation of everyone even the stereotyped trusted protectors! A small community can be vindictive against one another, a small community can befriend you just to get what they want. A small community can be distressed and impoverished. I feel sorry for the people of the community who are honest and noble. Very sorry for them...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
Sorry I am upset


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:40:08 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!

Unfortunately it is a fact of life all over the country. The problem has blossomed over the years. The northwest has always had a tug at people who want to do their thing and just be left alone. There are many areas they can settle, criminals and law abiders alike. Northern Idaho is another place where many strange people have chosen to be left alone. But it is not just in those areas. Little law enforcement, or law enforcement that turns their eye away is not uncommon all over the country, both in rural areas, and populated ones.

 Someone is afraid in McCleary, maybe a lot of someones. They have leaned to be apathetic and just mind their own business. Not every single everyone...They need a way to come forward and the right place to go forward to. Personally, my own view, if the Tipline is at the McCleary Police Department, I am not sure that Madibabe's tip ever go very far.   JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 08:43:14 PM
DD if you read this please email me asap i need to forward u crucial info. i will post later think i need to call fbi right now sorry i cant say right now what i found out ...

Madibabe, if you are unsure of your findings, wait for DD, otherwise start dialing that phone right now!!   How did you find this info?  gossip or fact?  If in doubt call them!!
I cant put it on boards but it is fact! but i need to get the info to someone who will do there job and follow threw. I have a friend who is married to a state patrol. I think I will go to them.  what do you think?

I think you should contact either FBI, McCleary PD or Grays Harbor Sherrif.  Or call the tip line. 
I did call the tipline. they were very interested in the info i had to give. they wiill contact me  just to let you know i did contact will keep u posted on what i hear

I am sending email, keep checking there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 08:46:42 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!

Unfortunately it is a fact of life all over the country. The problem has blossomed over the years. The northwest has always had a tug at people who want to do their thing and just be left alone. There are many areas they can settle, criminals and law abiders alike. Northern Idaho is another place where many strange people have chosen to be left alone. But it is not just in those areas. Little law enforcement, or law enforcement that turns their eye away is not uncommon all over the country, both in rural areas, and populated ones.

 Someone is afraid in McCleary, maybe a lot of someones. They have leaned to be apathetic and just mind their own business. Not every single everyone...They need a way to come forward and the right place to go forward to. Personally, my own view, if the Tipline is at the McCleary Police Department, I am not sure that Madibabe's tip ever go very far.   JMO


I agree with you Fanny Mae, I am sorry to target a small rural community because I do not believe everyone there is this way. It is more profound when researching a small populated community and the personality it presents because of a few citizens who wish to be immoral and unethical in their ways. So again, I am sorry, I am just upset....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:48:44 PM
I am just speculating here...mind is wandering.

I read that the divorce was granted in March 09.  Just recently. 

Did the family live in Arizona before?  I thought I read that.  If so, when and why did they move back to a small town like McCleary?  Was the mother from that area?  Does she have relatives in the area?  It just seems an unlikely place to settle if you have never lived in the area. 

Does the mother have a boyfriend? 

The 'town drunk' that someone talked to that was taking pictures, did not like the family.  He said the jewlerer didn't like the family.  Probably the rambling of an old drunk, but why were they disliked, if in fact they were? 

I guess I don't have enough information, but things just aren't adding up for me. 

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Usually the town drunk is the one with the most knowledge. People say things around him because they think he has no validity and no one will listen to him anyway. In large cities, the beat cops usually has a snitch or two in that category who is a good source of info for what is going on in his beat.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 08:49:56 PM
madi is not answering her email, who did she call?  I need the number she called UGH !!!!  I have to tell them something... really this is so important
does anyone know which number she called ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 08:50:47 PM
KLASS    I sent you email please go read


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:51:59 PM
madi is not answering her email, who did she call?  I need the number she called UGH !!!!  I have to tell them something... really this is so important
does anyone know which number she called ugh

She said she called the tip line.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 08:53:05 PM



I agree with you Fanny Mae, I am sorry to target a small rural community because I do not believe everyone there is this way. It is more profound when researching a small populated community and the personality it presents because of a few citizens who wish to be immoral and unethical in their ways. So again, I am sorry, I am just upset....

No apology needed by me. I am the emotional type myself.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I know you are upset. I doubt if anyone posting here is not upset. They wouldn't be here if they weren't.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 08:53:47 PM
what is the tipline #?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 08:56:03 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMP.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:56:04 PM
what is the tipline #?

I don't know...but i found this

... Grays Harbor County Information Hot-line (Tip line) (866) 915-8299 ...
findlindseybaum.com/ - Cached - Similar


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 08:56:18 PM
DD - check your email


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 08:57:41 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/LindseyBaumMP.jpg)

You are always faster than a speeding bullet!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 08:58:00 PM
And i do not like where my heart is with this either, no rose colored glasses, I seem to get a mixed emotions of thinking things about either the family involved, or the people that are suppose to serve and protect. But that is what society has been taught, but now in this day and age I do not find where I feel comfortable in trusting anyone unless proven. This is a child a little girl, this is a child who could not help herself, a child amongst all other child that needs us. So to me, although my heart feels indifferent, I believe in the investigation of everyone even the stereotyped trusted protectors! A small community can be vindictive against one another, a small community can befriend you just to get what they want. A small community can be distressed and impoverished. I feel sorry for the people of the community who are honest and noble. Very sorry for them...
I totally understand what you are saying.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:00:24 PM
OK,I'm kinda calmed down now and will try to be civil.

I found this article on the internet,interesting and especially read the 6 comments below.I'm wondering if that comment that's all in caps,is Kara?VERY sad if true.


http://secretwave101.wordpress.com/2009/07/20/vanished-and-forgotten/



I believe the silence from the media in the Lindsey Baum case has everything to do with the silence from LE.

I pray that LE/FBI knows something and ... the investigation is attempting to bring it all together.

Janet

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.  

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html

So, does anyone know if there is more FBI working on this besides Assistant FBI special agent in charge, Ron Twersky?? I am almost positive that he is not from McCleary, and has a rather large district to cover. Also, the sheriff or police chief have to ask for assistance most of the time, even on a missing child. JMO
I'm not sure Fanny
Some of the locals say the FBI have taken over the investigation,some of the locals say only 1 or 2 FBI in town.I did read a while back that the investigative command center was moved to a near by town,right before the bear festival.Also,the State LE and LE from other towns were helping but who knows?
At last friday;s vigil they had 3 LE cars parked watching the vigil.Maybe they had some under cover LE mingling with the crowd?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:00:33 PM
Sorry I am upset
  ::MonkeyAngel::  I am also, sometimes it is hard for me to wrap my mind around all this. I keep hoping for things to be like when I grew up in the Midwest, and kids could be kids, running all around, we didn't have a care in the world, especially in the summer playing and swimming, but that is not going to happen again unfortunately.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:02:02 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!

Unfortunately it is a fact of life all over the country. The problem has blossomed over the years. The northwest has always had a tug at people who want to do their thing and just be left alone. There are many areas they can settle, criminals and law abiders alike. Northern Idaho is another place where many strange people have chosen to be left alone. But it is not just in those areas. Little law enforcement, or law enforcement that turns their eye away is not uncommon all over the country, both in rural areas, and populated ones.

 Someone is afraid in McCleary, maybe a lot of someones. They have leaned to be apathetic and just mind their own business. Not every single everyone...They need a way to come forward and the right place to go forward to. Personally, my own view, if the Tipline is at the McCleary Police Department, I am not sure that Madibabe's tip ever go very far.   JMO
I'm afraid of that also, about the tipline.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 09:03:50 PM
DD - check your email

got it thanks
willl email back later


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!

Unfortunately it is a fact of life all over the country. The problem has blossomed over the years. The northwest has always had a tug at people who want to do their thing and just be left alone. There are many areas they can settle, criminals and law abiders alike. Northern Idaho is another place where many strange people have chosen to be left alone. But it is not just in those areas. Little law enforcement, or law enforcement that turns their eye away is not uncommon all over the country, both in rural areas, and populated ones.

 Someone is afraid in McCleary, maybe a lot of someones. They have leaned to be apathetic and just mind their own business. Not every single everyone...They need a way to come forward and the right place to go forward to. Personally, my own view, if the Tipline is at the McCleary Police Department, I am not sure that Madibabe's tip ever go very far.   JMO
I'm afraid of that also, about the tipline.

It is apparently being handled by the grays harbor police department, not McCleary. 

... Grays Harbor County Information Hot-line (Tip line) (866) 915-8299 ...
findlindseybaum.com/ - Cached - Similar


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:03:58 PM
I am just speculating here...mind is wandering.

I read that the divorce was granted in March 09.  Just recently. 

Did the family live in Arizona before?  I thought I read that.  If so, when and why did they move back to a small town like McCleary?  Was the mother from that area?  Does she have relatives in the area?  It just seems an unlikely place to settle if you have never lived in the area. 

Does the mother have a boyfriend? 

The 'town drunk' that someone talked to that was taking pictures, did not like the family.  He said the jewlerer didn't like the family.  Probably the rambling of an old drunk, but why were they disliked, if in fact they were? 

I guess I don't have enough information, but things just aren't adding up for me. 

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Usually the town drunk is the one with the most knowledge. People say things around him because they think he has no validity and no one will listen to him anyway. In large cities, the beat cops usually has a snitch or two in that category who is a good source of info for what is going on in his beat.
I agree with the small town drunk. It was Kara that had lived in Arizona before moving up to McCleary, I'm almost certain of that  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 26, 2009, 09:05:50 PM
I am just speculating here...mind is wandering.

I read that the divorce was granted in March 09.  Just recently. 

Did the family live in Arizona before?  I thought I read that.  If so, when and why did they move back to a small town like McCleary?  Was the mother from that area?  Does she have relatives in the area?  It just seems an unlikely place to settle if you have never lived in the area. 

Does the mother have a boyfriend? 

The 'town drunk' that someone talked to that was taking pictures, did not like the family.  He said the jewlerer didn't like the family.  Probably the rambling of an old drunk, but why were they disliked, if in fact they were? 

I guess I don't have enough information, but things just aren't adding up for me. 
From reading:
Lindsey's Mama and Daddy have been separated for 2 years,the divorce was final at the beginning of this year.I thought 2 years ago they moved from TN(Mama & kids).Melissa grew up in Lacey,WA.I don't know where the Father grew up.Melissa has a few friends still living in the area.
That's all I know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:06:04 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!
I agree, and I keep wondering how is the towns people right now, is it business as usual, are kids playing and riding their bikes, is everyone looking at each other as suspect? Is the LE telling the parents to keep a close eye on their kids?

We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!

Unfortunately it is a fact of life all over the country. The problem has blossomed over the years. The northwest has always had a tug at people who want to do their thing and just be left alone. There are many areas they can settle, criminals and law abiders alike. Northern Idaho is another place where many strange people have chosen to be left alone. But it is not just in those areas. Little law enforcement, or law enforcement that turns their eye away is not uncommon all over the country, both in rural areas, and populated ones.

 Someone is afraid in McCleary, maybe a lot of someones. They have leaned to be apathetic and just mind their own business. Not every single everyone...They need a way to come forward and the right place to go forward to. Personally, my own view, if the Tipline is at the McCleary Police Department, I am not sure that Madibabe's tip ever go very far.   JMO
I'm afraid of that also, about the tipline.

It is apparently being handled by the grays harbor police department, not McCleary. 

... Grays Harbor County Information Hot-line (Tip line) (866) 915-8299 ...
findlindseybaum.com/ - Cached - Similar
Thanks, that is good to know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:09:00 PM
I am just speculating here...mind is wandering.

I read that the divorce was granted in March 09.  Just recently. 

Did the family live in Arizona before?  I thought I read that.  If so, when and why did they move back to a small town like McCleary?  Was the mother from that area?  Does she have relatives in the area?  It just seems an unlikely place to settle if you have never lived in the area. 

Does the mother have a boyfriend? 

The 'town drunk' that someone talked to that was taking pictures, did not like the family.  He said the jewlerer didn't like the family.  Probably the rambling of an old drunk, but why were they disliked, if in fact they were? 

I guess I don't have enough information, but things just aren't adding up for me. 
From reading:
Lindsey's Mama and Daddy have been separated for 2 years,the divorce was final at the beginning of this year.I thought 2 years ago they moved from TN(Mama & kids).Melissa grew up in Lacey,WA.I don't know where the Father grew up.Melissa has a few friends still living in the area.
That's all I know.

Thanks,  they fits a couple of puzzle pieces. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 09:11:42 PM
DD - check your email again please


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:15:15 PM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!
  ::MonkeyEek::  Me too


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 26, 2009, 09:16:34 PM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!
will find out soon enough ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 09:16:59 PM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!

Too funny, but I am with ya..lol...I need to study for my finals, I can't stop researching for Lindsey..oh my ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
They are contacting the detectives involved in the case.  Hopefully some action will be taken and it will bring us closer to what happened to Lindsey. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 09:24:23 PM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!
O/T
There is a good one that I think MYTIME has posted before. Maybe KLAAS knows the one I mean.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:24:41 PM
They are contacting the detectives involved in the case.  Hopefully some action will be taken and it will bring us closer to what happened to Lindsey. 
Thanks, that would be great.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 09:24:59 PM
They are contacting the detectives involved in the case.  Hopefully some action will be taken and it will bring us closer to what happened to Lindsey. 

I'm hoping since we haven't heard again from DD that DD was able to get ahold of the detective and is on the line with them right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:27:40 PM
They are contacting the detectives involved in the case.  Hopefully some action will be taken and it will bring us closer to what happened to Lindsey. 

Sounds very positive that it is good information!  I will wait patiently, I mean I will wait for news.  Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:29:24 PM
They are contacting the detectives involved in the case.  Hopefully some action will be taken and it will bring us closer to what happened to Lindsey. 

I'm hoping since we haven't heard again from DD that DD was able to get ahold of the detective and is on the line with them right now.

Sending positive thoughts!! At least we are being heard, and hopefully making a difference. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 09:39:10 PM

McCleary City Council
PROPOSED AGENDA

April 8, 2009

STAFF REPORT
To: Mayor Bentley and Council
From: George M. Crumb, Chief of Police
Date: April 3, 2009
RE: March 2009 Police Activities
SUMMARY OF INCIDENTS
00541 Incidents (as of Friday 040309/1100)
Traffic Stops. Traffic Hazards,
Speed Infractions-DWLS-with court, Insurance Violation. Total Bail $3541)
VIOLATIONS REPORTED OR INVESTIGATE»
Abuse, Adult or Child
Ambulance/-Fire Response Broadcast
Agency Assist Police
Harassment
Aid Call
Hit & Run
Juvi Problem /Found Child/Runaway
Alarm(s)
Liquor Violation (MĎP-minor in possession)
Animal Compratati)
Malicious Mischief
Arrest(s) (Booked)
Missing Person/Runaway Report
Arrest(s) (Warrant)
Man Down-intoxicated sub
Motorist assist
Arson Report
Noise Complaint
Arrest Juvenile
Open Window/ -Door
Attempted Suicide
Parking Violation/Complaints
Assault Complaint(s)
Possession of Drug Paraphernalia
Burning Violation(s)
Possession of Stolen Properly
Burglary Complainlfs)
Police Information
Controlled Substance Violalion(s)
Public Works Assist (McClcary City)
Custody Dispule(s)
Referral
Fire Response
Civil Complaint(s)
Sex Offense (Adult or Child)
Court Order Service/ Violation)
Subject Slop / Pedestrian Stop-
Citizen Assisi
Prowler
Defrauding Public Utility
Suspicious, Person, Vehicle, Circumstances.
Death Report
Theft Complainl(s)
DUI
Threat Complaint(s)
Disorderly Conduct/person
Trespassing Complaint
Domestic Violence
Traffic Hazard=/- Reckless / 5 Offence
Police Information
HAZMAT
Verbal Argument/Dispute
Dog Impounds
DRUGS-VUCSA (Violation Uniform Controlled
Substance Act)
Vehicle theft / Prowl / Recovered Stolen.
Fraud
Vehicle-" Accident /Disabled-/ Abandon
Firearm/Weapons complaint
Warrant Service/Transfer
Fraud complaint
Welfare Check
Found- / Lost Properly-
911 Hang Up/Open Line


Discussion: Open
4 Police Officer Positions, 3 Positions filled.
Police Background ongoing on 41" applicant by GHC SO
---an SO applied for a police officer position?????

Are you fricken kidding me???

Cited:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MDSDwntO7UsJ:www.cityofmccleary.com/vertical/Sites/%257B6900A7D9-59CE-4612-823A-FA3E5F25F431%257D/uploads/%257B190940CC-FF59-44D8-9AB9-1EDCECCB8488%257D.PDF+%22mcCleary+Washington%22+arrests+a+man+for&cd=65&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 09:40:34 PM
wow 29 guests are viewing this, I never ever seen that many in the Cantu threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 09:44:47 PM



Discussion: Open
4 Police Officer Positions, 3 Positions filled.
Police Background ongoing on 41" applicant by GHC SO
---an SO applied for a police officer position?????

Are you fricken kidding me???

Cited:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MDSDwntO7UsJ:www.cityofmccleary.com/vertical/Sites/%257B6900A7D9-59CE-4612-823A-FA3E5F25F431%257D/uploads/%257B190940CC-FF59-44D8-9AB9-1EDCECCB8488%257D.PDF+%22mcCleary+Washington%22+arrests+a+man+for&cd=65&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I think that would be Gray's Harbor Sheriff's Office. Maybe McCleary pays more than they do.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:45:13 PM
No way do I believe that little girl ran away, no way, but then I guess since I don't know what kind of home life she has, I suppose I really shouldn't say that. But I just don't think that is what happened, and if it is, I would be completely shocked. But if someone was going to run away they would at least take certain items, and she loves her dog, can't see her leaving the dog behind.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:47:33 PM



Discussion: Open
4 Police Officer Positions, 3 Positions filled.
Police Background ongoing on 41" applicant by GHC SO
---an SO applied for a police officer position?????

Are you fricken kidding me???

Cited:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MDSDwntO7UsJ:www.cityofmccleary.com/vertical/Sites/%257B6900A7D9-59CE-4612-823A-FA3E5F25F431%257D/uploads/%257B190940CC-FF59-44D8-9AB9-1EDCECCB8488%257D.PDF+%22mcCleary+Washington%22+arrests+a+man+for&cd=65&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I think that would be Gray's Harbor Sheriff's Office. Maybe McCleary pays more than they do.  ::MonkeyRoll::

I believe that Grays Harbor is handling the background check.  I am quite sure that McCleary doesn't have the resources to do that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 09:48:10 PM
Ruanaway??  That is not what the FBI speculate.

Lindsey Baum did not have her cell.  Lindsey Baum had hope to spend the night at her friend's home.  Lindsey Baum was observed on the Maple Street route two blocks from her home.

Sheriff Scott ... what about the residences along the route Lindsey took home following the witness' observation?  What about Josh Baum?  What about Wayne Watne who resides a short distance from the Baum Home?

Would the implication of any of the above point fingers back to the McCleary LE?

I hate myself for going in this direction but ... Sheriff Scott tends to be diverting attention ... in the process of elimination ... away from the obvious persons of interest.

Janet

+++++++++


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said an abduction scenario is entirely possible, but investigators are also not discounting the notion that Lindsey ran away from home or got hurt somewhere and couldn’t get back home.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott  

KIRO - June 13, 2009

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Ron Twersky, FBI assistant Special Agent

KOMO News - July 2, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
Mods

Please delete post 1374.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

Done!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 09:49:30 PM



Discussion: Open
4 Police Officer Positions, 3 Positions filled.
Police Background ongoing on 41" applicant by GHC SO
---an SO applied for a police officer position?????

Are you fricken kidding me???

Cited:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:MDSDwntO7UsJ:www.cityofmccleary.com/vertical/Sites/%257B6900A7D9-59CE-4612-823A-FA3E5F25F431%257D/uploads/%257B190940CC-FF59-44D8-9AB9-1EDCECCB8488%257D.PDF+%22mcCleary+Washington%22+arrests+a+man+for&cd=65&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I think that would be Gray's Harbor Sheriff's Office. Maybe McCleary pays more than they do.  ::MonkeyRoll::

lol...figures, shouldn't research when you have a closed mind!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 26, 2009, 09:50:18 PM
I do think at first they thought she may have runaway, and then it became apparent she didn't.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 09:50:18 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 09:57:55 PM
DD was having problems getting ahold of a live person.  I gave DD one more number to try, so hopefully that one worked. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 10:00:38 PM
wow 29 guests are viewing this, I never ever seen that many in the Cantu threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are following me.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Kidding! I'm just kidding.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:01:00 PM
DD was having problems getting ahold of a live person.  I gave DD one more number to try, so hopefully that one worked. 

Thanks Klaas.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:02:00 PM
wow 29 guests are viewing this, I never ever seen that many in the Cantu threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are following me.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Kidding! I'm just kidding.   ::MonkeyCool::

um,  is that ribbon getting a little tight on your head?  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 10:05:20 PM
wow 29 guests are viewing this, I never ever seen that many in the Cantu threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe they are following me.   ::MonkeyRoll::

Kidding! I'm just kidding.   ::MonkeyCool::

um,  is that ribbon getting a little tight on your head?  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Just trying to break the tension a little.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:05:28 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:10:45 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

It's OK Janet, pull up a chair, I am making the sweet tea.  Where is Magnolia?  I think we lost her to the Billings thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:13:36 PM
I do think at first they thought she may have runaway, and then it became apparent she didn't.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Two weeks following Lindsey Baum's disappearance Sheriff Scott was still claiming "Runaway".  This man knew that this little girl had been spotted two blocks away from her home on her route from the Kampen residence.

I tend to believe that the McCleary LE is at the very least incompetent and ... at the very most ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World – July 1, 2009


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said an abduction scenario is entirely possible, but investigators are also not discounting the notion that Lindsey ran away from home or got hurt somewhere and couldn’t get back home.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott  

KIRO - July 13, 2009


Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:15:38 PM
s/b July 13, 2009 not June 13, 2009.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
I think I need a break.  I am messing up all my posts.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later, Monkeys

Janet
7:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 10:18:02 PM
s/b July 13, 2009 not June 13, 2009.

Yes, I noticed right away and fixed it  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:18:23 PM
I do think at first they thought she may have runaway, and then it became apparent she didn't.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Two weeks following Lindsey Baum's disappearance Sheriff Scott was still claiming "Runaway".  This man knew that this little girl had been spotted two blocks away from her home on her route from the Kampen residence.

I tend to believe that the McCleary LE is at the very least incompetent and ... at the very most ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World – July 1, 2009


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said an abduction scenario is entirely possible, but investigators are also not discounting the notion that Lindsey ran away from home or got hurt somewhere and couldn’t get back home.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott  

KIRO - July 13, 2009


Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html

And he is with the Grays Harbor Police department, not McCleary.  That is frightening.  There is no way this child ran away, in my mind at least.  Why would she run there, if her father is deploying in a short time.  Makes no sense. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:20:57 PM
s/b July 13, 2009 not June 13, 2009.

Yes, I noticed right away and fixed it  ::MonkeyCool::

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

It's OK Janet, pull up a chair, I am making the sweet tea.  Where is Magnolia?  I think we lost her to the Billings thread.

AZSunny ... sitting in the back yard under the shade of our huge Canadian Maple Tree with a cuppa of you sweet tea spiked with Magnolia's blueberry wine would hit the spot right now.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
7:30 PM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 10:33:26 PM
I really have no idea what the tip was, but I really doubt anyone one is going to "hop-to" tonight, or not that we would see. It will be days before we see some action, just going by experience.  Just going by my experience.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 10:34:56 PM
Reminder from my post yesterday, Michelle Bart has he show on right now and MB is one of the guests.  I had it on for abit but Bart makes me crazy and she could not figure out how to deal with the phones to have the callers live. 

Ms Bart is having another show.  She is advertising 4 mothers but has only confirmed two.   

Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 10:35:08 PM
I really have no idea what the tip was, but I really doubt anyone one is going to "hop-to" tonight, or not that we would see. It will be days before we see some action, just going by experience.  Just going by my experience.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

You're probably right about us not seeing any action (like reported in the news) about any tips that are reported to LE tonight. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
Reminder from my post yesterday, Michelle Bart has he show on right now and MB is one of the guests.  I had it on for abit but Bart makes me crazy and she could not figure out how to deal with the phones to have the callers live. 

Ms Bart is having another show.  She is advertising 4 mothers but has only confirmed two.   

Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Sorry, I can't stomach Michelle Bart


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 10:36:17 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

It's OK Janet, pull up a chair, I am making the sweet tea.  Where is Magnolia?  I think we lost her to the Billings thread.

AZSunny ... sitting in the back yard under the shade of our huge Canadian Maple Tree with a cuppa of you sweet tea spiked with Magnolia's blueberry wine would hit the spot right now.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
7:30 PM PT



OHH. Has Magnolia posted her blueberry wine anywhere? I love it. And I also love Janet's sweet tea.  I thank you for your post on Mother's Day. Lovely'   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:39:10 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

It's OK Janet, pull up a chair, I am making the sweet tea.  Where is Magnolia?  I think we lost her to the Billings thread.

AZSunny ... sitting in the back yard under the shade of our huge Canadian Maple Tree with a cuppa of you sweet tea spiked with Magnolia's blueberry wine would hit the spot right now.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
7:30 PM PT



OHH. Has Magnolia posted her blueberry wine anywhere? I love it. And I also love Janet's sweet tea.  I thank you for your post on Mother's Day. Lovely'   ::MonkeyAngel::

NO..NO...it is my sweet tea!  I am the Georgia girl, with a lot of transplants, but I have introduced Miss Janet of canada to the great drink.  She always wants to spike it with Maggies stuff though!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 26, 2009, 10:40:33 PM
Musings? ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:43:33 PM
Musings? ::MonkeyAngel::

Whoops...busted...sorry Miss Muffit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 10:45:06 PM
Reminder from my post yesterday, Michelle Bart has he show on right now and MB is one of the guests.  I had it on for abit but Bart makes me crazy and she could not figure out how to deal with the phones to have the callers live. 

Ms Bart is having another show.  She is advertising 4 mothers but has only confirmed two.   

Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Sorry, I can't stomach Michelle Bart

I cannot listen to her show as she hasn't at least pre-planned and has no direction she plans to go. She is very disorganized and having no  sensable thoughts. She sounds to me like she hops off the sofa from a nap, just in time to start. I have been extremely unimpessed with her demeanor and unprofessional apearance at any time I have seen her. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 10:55:51 PM
Reminder from my post yesterday, Michelle Bart has he show on right now and MB is one of the guests.  I had it on for abit but Bart makes me crazy and she could not figure out how to deal with the phones to have the callers live. 

Ms Bart is having another show.  She is advertising 4 mothers but has only confirmed two.   

Voices for Justice Sunday Special - Lindsey Baum and Amber Dubois' Mothers among guests this weekend

The show will introduce four families to the listeners and will introduce their children to you and how you can be a helping hand in assisting the search teams on bringing home their loved ones.

Date / Time: 26/07/2009 7:30 PM

Category: Family

Call-in Number: (347) 838-8622

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/helpingheroes

Sorry, I can't stomach Michelle Bart

I agree.  I had it on for a few minutes as Lindsey's mom was speaking, then I heard Michelle's voice and gagged.  Michelle couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 26, 2009, 10:57:04 PM
Janet,  I hear an echo...do you?

I am hoping a mod will delete my original yell but ... the echo can stay.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

It's OK Janet, pull up a chair, I am making the sweet tea.  Where is Magnolia?  I think we lost her to the Billings thread.

AZSunny ... sitting in the back yard under the shade of our huge Canadian Maple Tree with a cuppa of you sweet tea spiked with Magnolia's blueberry wine would hit the spot right now.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
7:30 PM PT



OHH. Has Magnolia posted her blueberry wine anywhere? I love it. And I also love Janet's sweet tea.  I thank you for your post on Mother's Day. Lovely'   ::MonkeyAngel::

NO..NO...it is my sweet tea!  I am the Georgia girl, with a lot of transplants, but I have introduced Miss Janet of canada to the great drink.  She always wants to spike it with Maggies stuff though!

Georgia Girl!! ::MonkeyShocked:: Go Sunny..Go Sunny ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 10:59:40 PM
ATL Mom...born in Savannah...long time ago!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:02:21 PM
I wish DD would check in and let us know if she made contact with anyone in authority. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 26, 2009, 11:02:43 PM
ATL Mom...born in Savannah...long time ago!

Tybee Island..Beautiful place ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 26, 2009, 11:04:10 PM
Quoted from above:
"Sorry, I can't stomach Michelle Bart

I agree.  I had it on for a few minutes as Lindsey's mom was speaking, then I heard Michelle's voice and gagged.  Michelle couldn't pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.  JMO"

 :pukel:
I watched an Michelle Bart in re: Caylee Anthony.  Good grief, horrible!  I suppose as the mother of a missing child you use every resource you can, but MB is terrible, plus I think she is a liar on top of that.
 :pukel:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 11:07:38 PM
okay, still no emails from madi so I suppose she must have found herself someone to listen and is gone talking to them, because she would be checking her email if not.

so since she first got on the board to get ahold of me, I have not talked to her.  I did email her back, she had emailed me several times before that but I was asleep.  so I have no idea who she got ahold of or if she got ahold of anyone, but being she is not around I assume she did and is talking with them.

I did get ahold of someone.  And I did find out that the det who emailed me the other day with the weird email was in fact the detective who I thought was some nut trying to pretend they were him.  so I emailed him back also.

I also talked with a dispatcher who says to call this det tomorrow but in the meantime I got ahold of a different one just now and will be sending what I have as there is a lot. 

I can't post what I have as it could alert someone.  Like you really want to hear that, but it would be crazy for me to say what I came across and what it has to do with madi, etc.  so I am sorry, we just have to sit here and wait. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 26, 2009, 11:11:59 PM
Several pictures of Lindsey here that I have not seen before.  Wondering if the poster of this video is someone in the Baum Family.

http://www.youtube.com/v/fCHgDFuaM-4&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 26, 2009, 11:20:26 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

What a sweetie.

Janet
8:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:24:14 PM
okay, still no emails from madi so I suppose she must have found herself someone to listen and is gone talking to them, because she would be checking her email if not.

so since she first got on the board to get ahold of me, I have not talked to her.  I did email her back, she had emailed me several times before that but I was asleep.  so I have no idea who she got ahold of or if she got ahold of anyone, but being she is not around I assume she did and is talking with them.

I did get ahold of someone.  And I did find out that the det who emailed me the other day with the weird email was in fact the detective who I thought was some nut trying to pretend they were him.  so I emailed him back also.

I also talked with a dispatcher who says to call this det tomorrow but in the meantime I got ahold of a different one just now and will be sending what I have as there is a lot. 

I can't post what I have as it could alert someone.  Like you really want to hear that, but it would be crazy for me to say what I came across and what it has to do with madi, etc.  so I am sorry, we just have to sit here and wait. 

Thanks DD.  That is all we need to know right now. Thanks for all you do!   

Except...why did the det use such a weird email address? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:25:39 PM
Thanks Northern Rose

What a sweetie.

Janet
8:20 PM PT

I agree Northern, and there are pictures I hadn't seen either.  What a little beauty!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 11:32:16 PM
okay, still no emails from madi so I suppose she must have found herself someone to listen and is gone talking to them, because she would be checking her email if not.

so since she first got on the board to get ahold of me, I have not talked to her.  I did email her back, she had emailed me several times before that but I was asleep.  so I have no idea who she got ahold of or if she got ahold of anyone, but being she is not around I assume she did and is talking with them.

I did get ahold of someone.  And I did find out that the det who emailed me the other day with the weird email was in fact the detective who I thought was some nut trying to pretend they were him.  so I emailed him back also.

I also talked with a dispatcher who says to call this det tomorrow but in the meantime I got ahold of a different one just now and will be sending what I have as there is a lot. 

I can't post what I have as it could alert someone.  Like you really want to hear that, but it would be crazy for me to say what I came across and what it has to do with madi, etc.  so I am sorry, we just have to sit here and wait. 

Thanks DD.  That is all we need to know right now. Thanks for all you do!   

Except...why did the det use such a weird email address? 

I have no idea, they all use the same one I guess and it comes up some name on there that is not who is doing the emails.  they explained to me that everyone connected to that email to me were there and real people.  not some nut.  I told them I thought it was some nut so I did not email back, but I have now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:43:50 PM
DD, would Madibabe gone to talke to someone in person, rather than over the phone? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
DD, would Madibabe gone to talke to someone in person, rather than over the phone? 

Now I am worried about her! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 11:47:58 PM
DD, would Madibabe gone to talke to someone in person, rather than over the phone? 

she might have, not sure.  I just woke up got on here and saw her post to me and couldn't get ahold of her. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 11:48:43 PM
she just emailed me.  she is okay


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 11:50:32 PM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 26, 2009, 11:51:41 PM
btw, just want to say, madi did a wonderful job on her part. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 26, 2009, 11:56:02 PM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!

Yes thank you DD as always...Would you say that researching at this point, is not necessary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 26, 2009, 11:58:41 PM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!

Yes thank you DD as always...Would you say that researching at this point, is not necessary?

I will answer that by saying no.  I would not stop researching until Lindsey is found or there's nowhere else to look/research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 26, 2009, 11:59:54 PM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 12:04:07 AM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!

Yes thank you DD as always...Would you say that researching at this point, is not necessary?

I will answer that by saying no.  I would not stop researching until Lindsey is found or there's nowhere else to look/research.

Ok, Thank you very much klaasend, I will continue. It is hard sometimes when the direction of these cases change so often, but my mind wanders so if i go off track in my research I eventually come back..lol..I just want to find Lindsey like all of you. And i think I am better at digging then theorizing, not so sure yet because i haven't been doing this so much. I only research for college papers but it has helped me here. Anyways let's hopefor the best..

~Love~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: atlanta_mom on July 27, 2009, 12:07:34 AM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!

Yes thank you DD as always...Would you say that researching at this point, is not necessary?

I will answer that by saying no.  I would not stop researching until Lindsey is found or there's nowhere else to look/research.

Ok, Thank you very much klaasend, I will continue. It is hard sometimes when the direction of these cases change so often, but my mind wanders so if i go off track in my research I eventually come back..lol..I just want to find Lindsey like all of you. And i think I am better at digging then theorizing, not so sure yet because i haven't been doing this so much. I only research for college papers but it has helped me here. Anyways let's hopefor the best..

~Love~

You guys are doing a great job.  I am not good at digging so I will be moral support.  Please keep going. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 12:09:12 AM
DD, is there anything you would like me focus on to help you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 12:10:36 AM
DD, is there anything you would like me focus on to help you?

DD, is there anything you would like me to focus on to help you?***..lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:13:11 AM
she just emailed me.  she is okay

Thanks for letting us know!

Yes thank you DD as always...Would you say that researching at this point, is not necessary?

I would go on just like we were. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
Ok, Thank you DD..I will commence...I admire your work DD just thought i would let you know, again and again!! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:22:47 AM
DD, is there anything you would like me focus on to help you?

hmmm, well I am just looking at what sex offenders might have been in mccleary, not the ones there, but others who have ties there.  but that is pretty broad LOL  any older ones who might own a van maybe.  gee.  this is hard.  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:25:53 AM
maybe sex offenders 40-60


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:26:49 AM
I'm not making sense, sorry, I just can't say really what to look for ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 12:31:23 AM
DD,
I wanted to send you a message to ask you if I should continue researching what I have been, but I have no clue to send you a personal message or email....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 12:37:18 AM
maybe sex offenders 40-60

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=789679&AgencyID=54601

Check the address, right near another:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/DwayneCarl.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 12:39:31 AM
I'm not making sense, sorry, I just can't say really what to look for ugh

It's ok DD, you do alot of puzzle work and putting things together... I will just keep digging and see what I find..:)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:42:34 AM
maybe sex offenders 40-60

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=789679&AgencyID=54601

Check the address, right near another:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/DwayneCarl.jpg)

okay lets research this guy, he's as good as any


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 12:47:32 AM
From Pierce County:

Orozco, Frank Lara
AGE: 51 
RACE: H
SEX: W
HEIGHT: 6 00
WEIGHT: 180
HAIR: Black
EYES: Brown
CRIME(S) OF CONVICTION: Child Rape 1
DATE OF INITIAL REGISTRATION: 1994 05 13
LOCATION: 65** block of Ardmore Dr SW
DETAILS:   
Frank Orozco has absconded. Anyone having knowledge of his whereabouts, 
 
please contact the Pierce County Shriff's Sex Offender Unit at 253-798-7706.
 
 
 
Mr. Frank OROZCO has recently been released from custody and is living in now 
 
living in Pierce County. Orozco is a Level 3 Registered Sex Offender. 
 
 
 
Orozco’s most recent incarceration was due to convictions for Unlawful 
 
Possession of a Firearm in Pierce County and Unlawful Possession of a Firearm 
 
& Failure to Register as a Sex Offender in Thurston County, both in 1999. 
 
According to official documents, Orozco was impersonating a police officer and 
 
pulling over female motorists. He had worked as a security guard for several 
 
security agencies and had access to a security vehicle. During the search of 
 
Orozco’s residence, police located a 9-mm semi-automatic handgun and a .22 
 
caliber rifle. Also found were numerous police-type radios, body armor, 
 
clothing, badges, and business cards. Earlier that same year, Olympia police 
 
had contact with Orozco while he was working as a security guard and noticed 
 
he was carrying a handgun. Orozco had also resided in Olympia during this 
 
time period and failed to register his address with the Sheriff’s office.
 
 
 
Sex Offense History: According to file material, in 1983 Orozco sexually 
 
assaulted an unknown 12-year old female. Orozco knocked on the victim’s door 
 
and when she answered, he pushed his way into the residence. Orozco then 
 
produced a small handgun, forced the victim into the bedroom, and sexually 
 
assaulted her. During the entire incident, Orozco waved the gun around and 
 
threatened to kill the victim. The victim saw Orozco a few weeks later at a 
 
restaurant and notified the police. 
 
 
 
History: Orozco admitted to two incidents in which he got female minors 
 
intoxicated and had sexual intercourse with them. These incidents were not 
 
reported. File material also indicates Orozco has admitted to other 
 
sexually deviant acts. He reported that he began peeping when he was 19 years 
 
old and has done this over 1000 times.
 
 
 
Orozco must provide his criminal history to all future employers and shall not 
 
be employed in security or law enforcement related fields. Orozco shall not 
 
be self-employed.
 
 
 
The Sheriff´s Department does not have the authority to allow or disallow an 
 
offender to live at any address. If the offender is on active supervision by 
 
the Department of Corrections, they may have residence restrictions or 
 
stipulations regarding living near a school, which would be enforced by the 
 
Department of Corrections. If an offender has completed community supervision, 
 
they would not have such restrictions. 
 
 
 


NAME: Edwards, Corey Harold
AGE: 31 
RACE: W
SEX: M
HEIGHT: 6 04
WEIGHT: 210
HAIR: BROWN
EYES: Brown
CRIME(S) OF CONVICTION: Child Rape 2
DATE OF INITIAL REGISTRATION: 2006 05 18
LOCATION: 4** block of St. Helens Ave.
DETAILS:   
Frank Orozco has absconded. Anyone having knowledge of his whereabouts, 
 
please contact the Pierce County Shriff's Sex Offender Unit at 253-798-7706.
 
 
 
In 1999, EDWARDS was convicted of CHILD RAPE 2nd Degree in Pierce County. 
 
According to official file documents, he sexually assaulted a 13-year old 
 
female.
 
 
 
EDWARDS did not participate in the Sex Offender Treatment Program while 
 
incarcerated. There is no documentation in the file to show that he has 
 
participated in any sexual deviancy treatment in the community either. He 
 
will be supervised on Community Placement for 24-months.
 
 
 
EDWARD’S sexual criminal history has led authorities to deem him as a LEVEL 3 
 
sex offender (High Risk to Re-offend). This allows the Pierce County 
 
Sheriff’s Department to disclose relevant, necessary, and accurate information 
 
to the public at large.
 
 
 
The Sheriff´s Department does not have the authority to allow or disallow an 
 
offender to live at any address. If the offender is on active supervision by 
 
the Department of Corrections, they may have residence restrictions or 
 
stipulations regarding living near a school, which would be enforced by the 
 
Department of Corrections. If an offender has completed community supervision, 
 
they would not have such restrictions. 
 
http://pso.co.pierce.wa.us/pso/Pso.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:51:31 AM
I'm not making sense, sorry, I just can't say really what to look for ugh

It's ok DD, you do alot of puzzle work and putting things together... I will just keep digging and see what I find..:)

research that guy klaas just pulled up, see where he is now etc whatever you can find anywhere.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 12:53:33 AM
Johnson, Gary Lynn
 
Fail To Verify Address - Whereabouts Unknown

Name: Gary Lynn Johnson
Date of Birth: 06/29/1958
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 07"
Weight: 260 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Address: Failed to Verify Current Address
Last Update:
 March 21, 2001

 
Gary Lynn Johnson was convicted in 1993 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, 92-1-3964, for Child Molestation 1st degree. The conviction came from a complaint which was reported in 1991, but happened in 1988, in which Johnson had allegedly raped a 11 year old boy. Johnson has a lengthy criminal history, which is none sex related. He currently has failed to verify his address with the Mason County Sheriff�s Office. Due to these factors he is considered a MODERATE RISK.

Gary Lynn Johnson is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level II Sex Offender.

This is the Mid-level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a MODERATE RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=220


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 12:56:15 AM
Time for me to call it a night in the forum. 

Keep up the good work! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 01:00:04 AM
Time for me to call it a night in the forum. 

Keep up the good work! 

Good Night klaasend and thank you for your support ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 27, 2009, 01:01:52 AM
I'm not making sense, sorry, I just can't say really what to look for ugh

It's ok DD, you do alot of puzzle work and putting things together... I will just keep digging and see what I find..:)


research that guy klaas just pulled up, see where he is now etc whatever you can find anywhere.



Ok I'm on it now..I will do an hour or two more of research and then bed time for me. Hopefully we can find a lead DD, I want Lindsey home safe damnit!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:02:13 AM
I really have to get some sleep also, ugh, but I will get to looking tomorrow.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:04:10 AM
I would be looking for a non compliant or a homeless one, about 40-60, might own a van. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:06:53 AM
one more thing, he will be heavy set. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:07:03 AM
Ingram, Darrel L
 Name: Darrel L Ingram
Date of Birth: 12/30/1948
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 06"
Weight: 195 lbs
Hair: Gray
Eyes: Brown
Address: 1200 Block of W Gallagher Rd, Shelton,  WA


Darrell L Ingram recently moved into Mason County from King County and registered as a sex offender due to a 11/20/97 double conviction for Rape of a Child 2nd Degree and Rape of a Child 3rd Degree, Grays Harbor County Superior Court cause number 97-1-00246-2.  This double conviction stems from when Ingram was between the ages of 46 through 53, he repeatedly sexually assaulted, molested and raped a young girl that was known to him.  The numerous sexual assaults began when the little girl was only 8 years old, and finally stopped when the girl was a teenager at age 15.  Over the course of 7 years, Ingram used intimidation and threatened to commit suicide in order to coerce the young girl into compliance.  Due to these factors he is considered a MODERATE RISK.

Darrell L Ingram is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level II Sex Offender.

This is the Mid-level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a MODERATE RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=184


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:09:03 AM
Johnson, Gary Lynn
 Name: Gary Lynn Johnson
Date of Birth: 06/29/1958
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 07"
Weight: 260 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Address: Failed to Verify Current Address
Last Update:
 March 21, 2001

 
Gary Lynn Johnson was convicted in 1993 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court, 92-1-3964, for Child Molestation 1st degree. The conviction came from a complaint which was reported in 1991, but happened in 1988, in which Johnson had allegedly raped a 11 year old boy. Johnson has a lengthy criminal history, which is none sex related. He currently has failed to verify his address with the Mason County Sheriff�s Office. Due to these factors he is considered a MODERATE RISK.

Gary Lynn Johnson is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level II Sex Offender.

This is the Mid-level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a MODERATE RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=219


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
i'd say over 250, approx


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:10:43 AM
but weight will change, they are always heavier when they first get out of jail.  so hmmm , but anyway he probaly will not be really skinny


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:12:08 AM
I have to go to sleep, I will get all the ones you post and go through them tomorrow and start matching up names to anyone who might have relatives in mccleary area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:14:46 AM
Rhodes, Daniel M
 Name: Daniel M Rhodes
Date of Birth: 03/08/1967
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 11"
Weight: 200 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Green
Address: 3000 Block of SE Lynch Rd, Shelton,  WA
Last Update:
 March 15, 2006

 

Daniel M Rhodes was just released from prison and moved back into Mason County. Rhodes has to register as a sex offender for a conviction of Rape of a Child 3rd degree, 3 counts. This stems from him having multiple sexual contacts with a known female who was between the age of 14-16 during the occurrences. Rhodes also disclosed during sexual deviancy evaluation, that he had three other victims in the same age range. Rhodes has two other convictions for First Degree Robbery in 1985 and 1986. Rhodes attempted to go to treatment but there was no room to take him into the treatment program. Due to these factors he is considered a MODERATE RISK.

Daniel M Rhodes is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level II Sex Offender.

This is the Mid-level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a MODERATE RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=200


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:15:58 AM
one more thing then I am out of here.

he will be tall.  probably not under 5'10", maybe taller.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 01:23:39 AM
one more thing then I am out of here.

he will be tall.  probably not under 5'10", maybe taller.

Ok, I know this guy doesn't fit the age range, but I am beyond LIVID that they have let this man out to live where they are listing him. It is 2 blocks from an elementary school, three blocks from the middle school. http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=850978&AgencyID=54479 (http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=850978&AgencyID=54479)
JARED ANTHONY COCHRAN
Physical Description
• Age:    19    • Height:    6.05
• Sex:    M    • Weight:    270
• Race:    Caucasian    • Eyes:    Blue
• Hair:    Brown
• Scars/Tattoos:    
               
Address
2400 block of WASHINGTON STREET SHELTON, WA 98584     

The description in the newspaper this week said his evaluation said he was escalating his crimes, and was at a high risk to re-offend. Because of his size, they said he is a danger. I know he most likely has nothing to do with this, but his victims of choice are 4 year old to 13 year old girls. Why would the allow him to live that close to schools?!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:29:59 AM
Valley, Clint Lee
 Name: Clint Lee Valley
Date of Birth: 04/02/1973
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 00"
Weight: 260 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Hazel
Address: 8100 Blk Brady-Matlock Rd, Matlock, WA
Last Update:
 October 1, 2007

 

Clint Lee Valley has recently moved within Mason County from within the 100 block of W Salsman Lane, Elma, to within the 8100 block of W. Matlock Brady Rd., Elma.  VALLEY is required to register as a sex offender due to a 12/03/01 conviction of Child Molestation 3rd Degree, Mason County Superior Court cause # 01-1-00050-1.  This conviction stems from when VALLEY was 28 years old, he had sexual contact with a 15 year old girl.  Due to these factors VALLEY is considered a MODERATE RISK.

Clint Lee Valley is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level II Sex Offender.

This is the Mid-level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a MODERATE RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=208


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:33:51 AM
Avila, Christopher Ray
 Name: Christopher Ray Avila
Date of Birth: 01/07/1968
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 10"
Weight: 170 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Green
Address: 100 block of W Hok Circle, Elma, WA

Chistopher Ray Avila has recently moved back to Mason County. He has been living in both Mason and Thurston County. His criminal history dates back to 1985. He has committed assaults on females ranging in age from 13 to 30. His victims have primarily been strangers to him, with the exception of his most current offense, a 13 year old female relative, King County Cause # 94-1-07537-1. In 1994, he was arrested for Child Molestation 3rd and later found guilty of the same in King County. He was found guilty for two separate counts of Indecent Exposure, Issaquah District Court # 27905, 28357. He was recently arrested in Thurston County for Failing to Register as a Sex Offender. He has been given ample opportunity to receive treatment for his sexual deviancy and had failed in the programs originally given to him. At a later date he did pass the treatment program required of him. He has served all his time. His sexualized behavior, past criminal conduct and predatory style, make Christopher Avila a high risk to re-offend. He lived in Seattle, King County, Thurston County and Grays Harbor County. He has been posted as a sexual offender there. Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Christopher Ray Avila is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=131


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:40:01 AM
Cherry, Gary Eugene
 Name: Gary Eugene Cherry
Date of Birth: 08/12/1958
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 5' 09"
Weight: 214 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Address: 400 Blk of  "E" St, Shelton, WA

Gary Eugene Cherry is a convicted sex offender who is being released from the Special Commitment Center at McNeil Island where he has been living in the Transition Facility since February, 2003.  Cherry has been convicted of three separate sex offenses;  The first conviction was in 1979, Rape 2nd ,  Grays Harbor Superior Court Cause # CR-354.  Cherry befriended a barmaid, received a ride from the barmaid, mislead her to a remote location and subsequently forcibly raped her multiple times.  The second conviction was Indecent Liberties with Forcible Compulsion, Grays Harbor Superior Court Cause # 86-1-00105-3.  Cherry met a 19 year old female with her 7 month old child at a fishing pond and again befriended her.  After about 30 minutes of conversation, he grabbed at the female, pulled her out of her vehicle, and pulled her shorts off all while threatening her and attempted to rape her.  The victim was able to fight back and fend off Cherry who apologized and asked her not to tell the police. At the time of this attack Cherry was on parole for the Rape 2nd.  The third conviction was Rape 2nd , Mason County Superior Court cause #90-1-0129-6.  Cherry met a 21 year old female at a caf� where they played darts until 1:30 am .  Under the guise of giving the victim a ride to her house, Cherry instead took her to a remote location and raped her multiple times and physically assaulted her.  Cherry has made admissions to raping 18 other females.  He has never been convicted or charged with any of those incidents.  In 1999 Cherry was Civilly Committed in Mason County Superior Court, 99-2-00218-4.  This legal action placed him in the Special Commitment Center at McNeil Island where Cherry participated in a 6 step sex offender treatment program where he advanced to the 6th step in September, 2002.  In February, 2003 Cherry was released, by court order, to a less restrictive alternative placement at the McNeil Island Community Transition Facility.  Cherry�s therapist has stated, �..been able to consistently demonstrate an ability to meet all of the goals and expectations for phases 1-5.. and ..a commitment to his discharge plan..�  On 11/4/03 Cherry was ordered by Mason County Superior Court to be conditionally released to a less restrictive alternative placement to his private residence in Shelton .  He is on supervision with the Department of Corrections, continue with sex offender treatment, and to comply with all court ordered conditions.  Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Gary Eugene Cherry is restricted from the following;  Cherry shall not be at large alone in the community.  Cherry shall continue with Sex offender treatment.  Cherry shall be on DOC supervision.  Cherry will be subject to a GPS monitoring system.  Cherry shall have no intentional direct contact with minors or adult women (other than Family members) without the presence of an approved monitor.  Cherry shall not enter onto the premises of any college, school, daycare, park, recreation area, theater, or other facility normally frequented by adult women and minors without approval of the transition team.  Cherry will not enter any public washroom or other rest facility that has not first been checked for the presence of minors and is found by an approved monitoring adult to be free of minors.  Cherry shall not driver any motor vehicle or possess a driver�s license without written permission from the transition team.  Cherry shall not purchase, possess, or view pornographic materials.  Cherry shall not use the internet without direct supervision of a monitor.  Cherry shall not use or possess alcohol or controlled substances.  Cherry shall not go to bars and taverns.  Cherry shall submit to searches of his person, computer, residence or property at the discretion of DOC.

Law Enforcement and/or peace officers are authorized to arrest Mr. Cherry for any violation of these conditions.

Gary Eugene Cherry is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=136


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:43:49 AM
Doney, Bryan Alan
 Name: Bryan Alan Doney
Date of Birth: 12/16/1975
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 01"
Weight: 190 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Blue
Address: Transient within the area of Shelton, WA

Bryan DONEY has recently moved into Mason County as transient/homeless and is required to register as a sex offender for a guilty plea on 09/07/00 to 2 counts of Child Molestation 1st Degree, Mason County Superior Court cause #00-1-00130-4.  This conviction stems from DONEY at age 26, sexually molesting two little girls, ages 9 and 10 outside a domestic environment.  According to court documents, the 2 little girls were friends of DONEY’s child and he sexually molested them when the girls had a sleep over.  DONEY’s other criminal charges include Assault 4th Degree Domestic Violence and Interference with Reporting Domestic Violence.  Due to these factors as well as his transient status, he is leveled at a HIGH RISK.

DONEY is on DOC Supervision and is required to stay away from his victims and their families, to stay away from juveniles under 18 years old and to stay away from bars or taverns.  DONEY is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff’s Office as a Level 3 Sex Offender.  This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=397


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:45:03 AM
Erwin, Michael Jacob
 Name: Michael Jacob Erwin
Date of Birth: 10/12/1976
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 01"
Weight: 195 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Hazel
Address: Transient within Mason County, WA

Michael Jacob Erwin has moved within Mason County and is required to register as a sex offender for the 1998 conviction of Rape of Child 3rd degree, Mason County 98-1-002956. Erwin was 22 years old at the time of the crime, the 15 year old female victim, a friend of Erwin, had missed a bus home so he invited her to his apartment, later provided alcohol to her. He subsequently offered her a place to lay down. Shortly there after, he raped her and reportedly used force and threats. Erwin has an extensive criminal history for none related sex crimes. He is currently on DOC supervision, he is not allowed to be around children, location where children gather, or to consume alcohol. While Erwin is homeless he is being raised to Level III. Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Michael Jacob Erwin is assessed by the State of Washington and the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

Michael Jacob Erwin is known to change appearances frequently.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=142


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:48:35 AM
Gisselberg, Jeffrey Lee
 Name: Jeffrey Lee Gisselberg
Date of Birth: 01/06/1964
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 04"
Weight: 210 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Address: 300 block of SE Old Arcadia Rd, Shelton, WA


Jeffrey Lee Gisselberg has recently moved back into Mason County and registered as a sex offender due to the following sex offense conviction:  On 12/12/1984, Gisselberg pled guilty in Spokane County Superior Court, cause #84-1-01060-7, to three counts of Rape 1st Degree.  This conviction stems from Gisselberg, at age 20, sexually assaulting and raping three different young girls that were all strangers to him.  The girl�s ages were 13, 15, & 16.  Gisselberg would pick these young girls up as hitchhikers or in a ruse to help him, threaten them with weapons and threats to kill, drive them to remote areas, and then force them to perform sexual acts as well as repeatedly raping them.  During the above rape investigations, four other victims of rape or attempted rape identified Gisselberg as their perpetrator, but those rapes were not adjudicated.  Those other four victims were all young girls of high school age.  When Gisselberg was released from custody, DOC classified him as a High Risk to re-offend.  (NOTE:  Gisselberg is no longer under any DOC supervision.) Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Jeffery Lee Gisselberg is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=147


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:54:20 AM
Lee, Bruce Allen
 Name: Bruce Allen Lee
Date of Birth: 06/03/1946
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 03"
Weight: 170 lbs
Hair: Grey
Eyes: Brown
Address: Registered in Kitsap County, WA


Bruce Allen Lee was released from the Stafford Creek Corrections Center on 05/27/06 and registered in Kitsap County. He has a 08/18/86 conviction of Rape 1st Degree, Mason County Superior Court cause # 86-1-00102-6.  This conviction stems from when LEE was 40 years old, he kidnapped, brutally raped, and inflicted serious injury to an adult woman whom he had recently met.  Since his almost 20 year incarceration, LEE has made threats of revenge against the investigating Detectives and the Deputy Prosecutor that brought him to justice.  Throughout his entire incarceration, LEE has refused to participate in any sex offender treatment, anger management, stress or victim awareness programs.  LEE uses a fake persona of caring and friendliness to trick people into a false sense of friendship. LEE also has several alias names that he has used, to include: Bruce CARLSON; Tom MCNALLY; Bruce STAHR, and John DOE.  Before his most recent incarceration, LEE was arrested, tried, and convicted in three different states of assaulting as many as three other women.   Due to all of the above factors Bruce LEE is considered a HIGH RISK.   NOTE:  LEE will not be under any Dept. of Corrections supervision or probation. Also, LEE may change his appearance by shaving his facial hair and/or dying the color of his hair. Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Bruce Allen Lee is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=273


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 01:56:42 AM
Norcott, Michael David
 Name: Michael David Norcott
Date of Birth: 11/12/1964
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 01"
Weight: 195 lbs
Hair: Brown
Eyes: Brown
Address: Transient/Homeless within Mason County
Last Update:
 September 10, 2007


Michael David Norcott has recently moved into Mason County from Grays Harbor County and has registered as a sex offender due to a 01/08/96 conviction of Child Molestation 2nd Degree, Chelan County Superior Court cause number 95-1-00534-0.  This conviction stems from when Norcott was 31 years old, he spent the night at an acquaintance�s house.  During the night, Norcott sexually molested a 14 year old girl who was a resident of the house, and he sexually molested a 13 year old girl who was spending the night as a friend of the 14 year old girl.  Norcott pled guilty to one count of Child Molestation 2nd Degree.  Norcott is considered a MODERATE RISK but due to his transient/homeless status NORCOTT is considered a HIGH RISK.

Michael David Norcott is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning that the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.


http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=197


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 02:03:06 AM
Name 
 Anderson, Calvert
aka.   
Birth Year   1961
Height   5'05
Weight   165
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Bro
Resides   Fairgrounds Road,  Elma 
Convictions   Rape 3rd Degree
Other   Unable to locate; if you have information regarding his whereabouts, contact Det. Ed McGowan at 360 249-3711 X592.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/offenders/display.asp?OffenderLevel=2


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 02:10:08 AM
Name 
 Glover, Richard Dale
aka.   
Birth Year   1947
Height   5'7
Weight   190
Hair   Bro
Eyes   Grn
Resides   2200 Block Pleasant Drive,  Westport 
Convictions   Communication with a Minor for Immoral Purposes Two Counts; Indecent Liberties
Other   Registered in King County, maintains residence in Grays Harbor County.

http://www.co.grays-harbor.wa.us/info/sheriff/offenders/display.asp?OffenderLevel=3&offset=6


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 02:16:32 AM
Name: DONALD RAY BURLEY Registration #: 186163
Level:  Level I- Non-Compliant  

Physical Description
• Age: 60 • Height: 5.10
• Sex: M • Weight: 195
• Race: Caucasian • Eyes: Blue
• Hair: Brown
• Scars/Tattoos:

http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=749588&AgencyID=54481


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 02:21:38 AM
Name: JACOB STEPHEN` BEGGLEY Registration #: 03-08875-08
Level:  Level I- Non Complaint 

Physical Description
• Age: 43 • Height: 5.09
• Sex: M • Weight: 185
• Race: Caucasian • Eyes: Blue
• Hair: Brown
• Scars/Tattoos: 
       
Address
UNABLE TO VERIFY OLYMPIA, WA 98502   (Address not mappable at this time) 
       
Offenses
• Description: 9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree.,
• Date Convicted: 06/13/1991 
• Date Released:   
• Details: 
• Description: 9A.44.083 - Child molestation in the first degree.,
• Date Convicted: 06/13/1991 
• Date Released:   
• Details: 
• Description: 9A.44.130(11)(A) - Sex offender - felony - fail to register • Date Convicted: 12/16/2003 
• Date Released:   
• Details:

http://www.co.thurston.wa.us/sheriff/so-search.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 08:29:25 AM
DD - check your email again please

Man,  I feel like the little kid with their nose pressed againist the window of the candy store!
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 08:49:28 AM
Several pictures of Lindsey here that I have not seen before.  Wondering if the poster of this video is someone in the Baum Family.

http://www.youtube.com/v/fCHgDFuaM-4&hl=en&fs=1&
Thank you Northern
Such a precious little girl :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 09:13:14 AM
one more thing then I am out of here.

he will be tall.  probably not under 5'10", maybe taller.

Ok, I know this guy doesn't fit the age range, but I am beyond LIVID that they have let this man out to live where they are listing him. It is 2 blocks from an elementary school, three blocks from the middle school. http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=850978&AgencyID=54479 (http://www.icrimewatch.net/offenderdetails.php?OfndrID=850978&AgencyID=54479)
JARED ANTHONY COCHRAN
Physical Description
• Age:    19    • Height:    6.05
• Sex:    M    • Weight:    270
• Race:    Caucasian    • Eyes:    Blue
• Hair:    Brown
• Scars/Tattoos:    
               
Address
2400 block of WASHINGTON STREET SHELTON, WA 98584     

The description in the newspaper this week said his evaluation said he was escalating his crimes, and was at a high risk to re-offend. Because of his size, they said he is a danger. I know he most likely has nothing to do with this, but his victims of choice are 4 year old to 13 year old girls. Why would the allow him to live that close to schools?!  ::MonkeyShocked::
I am just shocked at how they put these freaky perverts through sex offenders"classes"and evaluations and then let them out with that"moderate"tag meaning they might offend again,meaning they probably will offend again,meaning we don't know what the heck to do with them so we'll let the public handle them.
It's so sickening.
I say build a huge,unmanned prison on a island far,far away and drop their freaky selves from a helicopter and let them all live as one giant freak show.Someone has to do something about all of these SO because it's obvious the law and courts cannot handle them and it seems like they are multiplying among us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 10:08:29 AM
Lee, Bruce Allen
 Name: Bruce Allen Lee
Date of Birth: 06/03/1946
Gender: Male
Race: White
Height: 6' 03"
Weight: 170 lbs
Hair: Grey
Eyes: Brown
Address: Registered in Kitsap County, WA


Bruce Allen Lee was released from the Stafford Creek Corrections Center on 05/27/06 and registered in Kitsap County. He has a 08/18/86 conviction of Rape 1st Degree, Mason County Superior Court cause # 86-1-00102-6.  This conviction stems from when LEE was 40 years old, he kidnapped, brutally raped, and inflicted serious injury to an adult woman whom he had recently met.  Since his almost 20 year incarceration, LEE has made threats of revenge against the investigating Detectives and the Deputy Prosecutor that brought him to justice.  Throughout his entire incarceration, LEE has refused to participate in any sex offender treatment, anger management, stress or victim awareness programs.  LEE uses a fake persona of caring and friendliness to trick people into a false sense of friendship. LEE also has several alias names that he has used, to include: Bruce CARLSON; Tom MCNALLY; Bruce STAHR, and John DOE.  Before his most recent incarceration, LEE was arrested, tried, and convicted in three different states of assaulting as many as three other women.   Due to all of the above factors Bruce LEE is considered a HIGH RISK.   NOTE:  LEE will not be under any Dept. of Corrections supervision or probation. Also, LEE may change his appearance by shaving his facial hair and/or dying the color of his hair. Due to these factors he is considered a HIGH RISK.

Bruce Allen Lee is assessed by the Mason County Sheriff�s Office as a Level III Sex Offender.

This is the highest level given to a Sex Offender, meaning the subject is at a HIGH RISK to re-offend.

http://so.co.mason.wa.us/index.php?aid=273
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_030708WAB_sex_offender_KC.322897ac.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 10:50:05 AM
any news yet on the things that dd and madi called in?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 10:55:28 AM
any news yet on the things that dd and madi called in?
That's what I was wondering, but I have a feeling it is about a SO. Thanks Northern Rose for listing all the sex offenders in the area  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:22:19 AM
thanks guys(gals) for pulling up all these so's.  I just got online. I will start going through them all. I have to get their photos pulled up, and see if any have connections to mccleary through relatives or just happened to be over there for any reason. 

I really wish I could tell you exactly what I am looking for but I can't.  I don't even know if who I am looking for is a SO, but there is a chance he is, so it is a good place to start.  but don't get so hung up on looking for a SO that you ignore anyone else who looks like this, AND also it might not even be someone who looks like this but at this time I personally think this might be our best bet. 

maybe also to look for any suspicious people in a van who have been seen trying to grab kids etc.  gee that could be a thousand people too.  but when you have NOTHING, you have to do the with the best you have, and although I do feel we have a VERY good lead, it might not be it at all.  I personally believe we have some info that MIGHT VERY WELL BE connected.  So much so someone is at least listening and not ignoring us or saying we are crazy.  Thats a good sign, cuz usually you don't hear back. 

so that is probably too much info already, but I know how I feel when I am trying to help, have no where to focus and someone else has some info and I sit here thinking gee, I might be totally off over here, doing all this work for nothing and no one will point me in the right direction.  It's frustrating when you don't know something and no one will tell you and you are spending hours a day trying to help.  no one understands that better than I do.  but for me to say anymore might really cause a problem, so I can't. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 11:46:51 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:49:48 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 11:51:48 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 
Thanks, I just no there was a heavy set man, that I could have sworn we discussed, perhaps Kara's child and Lindsey knew this person. Maybe someone remembers, or I'm just losing it  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 11:53:01 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 11:54:49 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 
If I can figure out how to look at a persons previous posts, Kara, I could have sworn it was discussed. I will try to find her posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 11:56:56 AM
To look at someones previous posts - click on their name, scroll down and click show latest posts.  From there you can go back in time with the page numbers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 

I'll check and see.  I should know a bit more in awhile.  I'll keep putting out whatever I can so we can jump in here and try to id this person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 11:57:20 AM
From Yosande at WS(after listening to the talk radio show with Melissa):
Melissa stated:

two days before LIndsey went missing, a man was looking for a missing dog. It was legit, and he posted posters around town, but she used it as an opportunity to remind Lindsey of cautions.

MB said she showed Lindsey the SO website.

She wouldn't have gotten in a car with a stranger, she would have fought.

MB says someone knows something.

People know something.

She is concerned someone is covering for the perp.

MB said it was almost 11pm before it got dark that night.

She says her son is a wanderer.

LB was last seen at 9:20pm

She said Lindsey was aware of safety issues.

She said she told Lindsey to kick, fight, scream, if someone ever tried to abduct her.

She said Lindsey had slip on shoes on, and her shoes were not found.

Talking about a website called takeroot.org about adults who were abducted as children, and family members of abducted children.
http://www.takeroot.org/
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=7





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:59:41 AM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 
If I can figure out how to look at a persons previous posts, Kara, I could have sworn it was discussed. I will try to find her posts.

oh you might be talking about the guy from AZ, that is like an uncle to her kids? the guy on their myspace?  is that the guy you are remembering? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 27, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 

Problem is, hair color and facial hair are quick and easy changes.  And if the person wears glasses, that can be changed with contacts.  All the work you all are doing is to be commended.  I hope it will lead us to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 12:04:18 PM
More from Yosande at WS re:radio show with Melissa:
Melissa stated:
MB said it was legit, but I hope LE checked him out anyway.

(I wonder if a local can give us more info on this person, or grab a poster of the dog.)stated by Yosande


Driving around asking kids if they saw his dog.

Lindsey and friends decided to go to the park to look for the dog.

Mom reminded her of being cautious.

Lindsey said, "Duh mom, I'm not stupid."

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=7



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 12:05:45 PM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 
If I can figure out how to look at a persons previous posts, Kara, I could have sworn it was discussed. I will try to find her posts.

oh you might be talking about the guy from AZ, that is like an uncle to her kids? the guy on their myspace?  is that the guy you are remembering? 
Thanks, Kory Sisk, was he not a big heavyset man?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 12:08:14 PM
From Yosande at WS(after listening to the talk radio show with Melissa):
Melissa stated:

two days before LIndsey went missing, a man was looking for a missing dog. It was legit, and he posted posters around town, but she used it as an opportunity to remind Lindsey of cautions.

MB said she showed Lindsey the SO website.

She wouldn't have gotten in a car with a stranger, she would have fought.

MB says someone knows something.

People know something.

She is concerned someone is covering for the perp.

MB said it was almost 11pm before it got dark that night.

She says her son is a wanderer.

LB was last seen at 9:20pm

She said Lindsey was aware of safety issues.

She said she told Lindsey to kick, fight, scream, if someone ever tried to abduct her.

She said Lindsey had slip on shoes on, and her shoes were not found.

Talking about a website called takeroot.org about adults who were abducted as children, and family members of abducted children.
http://www.takeroot.org/
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=7




Thanks, her son is a wanderer? Like a wanderer during the day and night? But even if Lindsey would have fought, she is still a young girl, and could be overpowered  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:09:36 PM
yes kory is, but he is in AZ, and because of another connection I really don't believe he would be the guy "I" am interested in, not to say I am not wrong and what I think is all wrong etc.  but I really don't think he would be the guy I am looking for. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
yes kory is, but he is in AZ, and because of another connection I really don't believe he would be the guy "I" am interested in, not to say I am not wrong and what I think is all wrong etc.  but I really don't think he would be the guy I am looking for. 
Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 12:12:39 PM
kids might think they might fight but if they get a gun or a knife in their face they might change their mind, or if they are just grabbed up and overpowered, all the fighting in the world might not be able to get their freed from their attacker.  strong men or women for that matter can easily overpower a younger person.  I would have no trouble over powering a 10 yr old who was fighting me.  A stronger man certainly could overpower a fighting and kicking 10 yr old, even if she were kicking, biting, and scratching. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 12:15:12 PM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 

Problem is, hair color and facial hair are quick and easy changes.  And if the person wears glasses, that can be changed with contacts.  All the work you all are doing is to be commended.  I hope it will lead us to Lindsey.

Yes, I know that.  But my thought is those changes might occur after the crime.  So, looking at pics we can find would most likely be (mug shots, etc.) before the crime.  Hair color is cheap - glasses for vision are not, and seems most of the SO are poor and on the run with limited resources.  But yes, obviously those things can be changed easily.  Just trying......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 12:29:36 PM
Wasn't there some big guy on a myspace page that we discussed sometime ago  ::MonkeyConfused:: I remember that but I don't think he was a registered SO.

I don't remember, but it does not HAVE TO BE a sex offender, he could be one and never caught.  We know there are tons of them out there who have never been caught or convicted or told on. 

Can you tell us anything more - such as hair color, if the person has mustache or beard, wears glasses - if not, we totally understand. 
If I can figure out how to look at a persons previous posts, Kara, I could have sworn it was discussed. I will try to find her posts.

Here are the posts if you are still interested.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6810;sa=showPosts





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 12:32:03 PM
Thanks Fanny, I found who I was speaking about, but DD says he lives in Arizona, I just remember someone who was heavyset, and that person jumped out at me. But it is another person.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 12:37:19 PM
I had one encounter with a gun pointed at me, in a robbery, and let me assure you I couldn't have yelled if I had wanted to -- it sucked the air right out of my body.  I was in my late 20s, so God only knows what Lindsey would have felt it that would have been the scenario for her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 12:41:27 PM
I had one encounter with a gun pointed at me, in a robbery, and let me assure you I couldn't have yelled if I had wanted to -- it sucked the air right out of my body.  I was in my late 20s, so God only knows what Lindsey would have felt it that would have been the scenario for her.
That's awful, and I would imagine that most people would be in shock, and not fight or yell. At least that is what I think. And someone could sneak up behind and grab a person, and it could totally take you by surprise, and one wouldn't even be able to respond.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 12:45:40 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 27, 2009, 01:20:36 PM
Just offering up some additional information about a church in McCleary, that was mentioned a long, long time ago, first week in July as I recall by a poster, and I don't believe anything ever came of it.  The reason I bring it back to the present is that Wayne Watne is TOTALLY involved with this ministry.

The first article about the vigil, stated that Wayne Watne was a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church in Olympia.  Well how about the McCleary Campus, as they call it?  Find it here on MySpace and open the photos if there's any doubt that WW is definitely a part of this ministry.   http://www.myspace.com/mceccgroup1 (http://www.myspace.com/mceccgroup1).  And I believe the location of this church is on, what could be considered, Lindsey's route home.

I believe it was Madibabe who posted her dream on the other Lindsey thread and another SM local responded that while doing some garage sale stuff, she remembers that there is a church in this part of town, with a broken down house, all boarded up next door.  This is probably that church.

Also, doesn't WW live on the same street, about a block away?  And why does WW have so many address posted here and there?  Current ones.  Mt. Vernon is still showing up, Olympia is still showing up, and nothing I can find for McCleary yet.  Probably renting.

And while I'm at it.  I watched the video of the last vigil the other night.  I am not a preacher or a minister or a missionary, but I would have been able to say a lot more to that meager audience.  And I hope that WW did say more than what was videoed, "All we can do is hope."  Well, that's a bunch of hogwash.  All we can do is hope?  There's a lot more that "we" can do than simply hope.  And most of you have articulated that perfectly here in the last few pages.  It seemed like the voice of apathy, or perhaps something else altogether.

Passionately submitted.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 27, 2009, 01:21:22 PM
Correction.  I think it was MamaCrazy's dream


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 01:23:56 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 01:30:16 PM
i think lindsey's mom is right that someone knows something and is covering something up. so many times, the family members of a perp will have an odd feeling that something is off but they dont put 2 and 2 together, or, their brain doesn't allow them to make the connection and admit that a loved one could be involved in the commission of a crime because the truth can be too much for some people.  and yes, there are others that know a loved one is involved and feel totally comfortable covering for them.  i am wondering who worked at the store in elma where lindsey sometimes worked that she would recognize.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 01:35:07 PM
i think lindsey's mom is right that someone knows something and is covering something up. so many times, the family members of a perp will have an odd feeling that something is off but they dont put 2 and 2 together, or, their brain doesn't allow them to make the connection and admit that a loved one could be involved in the commission of a crime because the truth can be too much for some people.  and yes, there are others that know a loved one is involved and feel totally comfortable covering for them.  i am wondering who worked at the store in elma where lindsey sometimes worked that she would recognize.

Or a frequent shopper at that store that she had talked to before, and recognized.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 01:36:18 PM
i think lindsey's mom is right that someone knows something and is covering something up. so many times, the family members of a perp will have an odd feeling that something is off but they dont put 2 and 2 together, or, their brain doesn't allow them to make the connection and admit that a loved one could be involved in the commission of a crime because the truth can be too much for some people.  and yes, there are others that know a loved one is involved and feel totally comfortable covering for them.  i am wondering who worked at the store in elma where lindsey sometimes worked that she would recognize.

Or a frequent shopper at that store that she had talked to before, and recognized. Did her Mom work at this dollar store?  How did she get involved in working there?  Was it just volunteer, or was she paid? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:38:49 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs

I was told a different reason, so probably a combination of things.  Can't blame her really.  I'd hate to be her on these forums if I were this close to a case.  You know we all looked at her etc, which is understandable, but still, it has to be hard to read that and not want to tell us off LOL  I think I would have, but she didn't.  And there were other reasons.  But for the most part I would think for "HER" it was best she quit posting on the forums.  Of course WE want to hear everything she says and we want to ask her tons of questions(pointed ones too, and believe me I asked some also, even emailed and flat out asked her), but she was nice about it and answered me.  I think no matter what she said, when she got mixed up, or it didn't fall in line with what someone said etc, it was really starting to look bad.  And then you have the fact the police might not have wanted her on the boards saying anything.  I think it was a combination of ALL the above.  I am glad she was here for the time she was and glad she answered my questions which were sometimes almost to the point of accusing her of knowing something etc, but it helped me out a lot to understand things when she did answer me, rather than for me to try to dig up a bunch of info to decide if what I thought might be true or not.  So I think Kara is in a very very very hard position and she is trying to deal with this stuff the best she can, and the truth be, she is getting a LOT of crap over it, not just from the boards but people everywhere are not trying to help her with the things she is trying to do which might help find lindsey.  I suppose she might not even want people to know this but I am saying it anyway... And she can get on here and gripe at me for it if she wants or email me a nasty email etc, but... the truth is there are people in McCleary who seem to be trying to stop her from doing the things she needs to do to help find lindsey.  Now WHY would people do that?  I have no idea, but some people are treating her like crap.  One of the reasons why we don't see any private searches or a search center is because there are some people who seem to not want to help, to the point of purposely NOT allowing the help.  GRRRRRRR.... I don't know why that is, but it is. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 01:47:38 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs

I was told a different reason, so probably a combination of things.  Can't blame her really.  I'd hate to be her on these forums if I were this close to a case.  You know we all looked at her etc, which is understandable, but still, it has to be hard to read that and not want to tell us off LOL  I think I would have, but she didn't.  And there were other reasons.  But for the most part I would think for "HER" it was best she quit posting on the forums.  Of course WE want to hear everything she says and we want to ask her tons of questions(pointed ones too, and believe me I asked some also, even emailed and flat out asked her), but she was nice about it and answered me.  I think no matter what she said, when she got mixed up, or it didn't fall in line with what someone said etc, it was really starting to look bad.  And then you have the fact the police might not have wanted her on the boards saying anything.  I think it was a combination of ALL the above.  I am glad she was here for the time she was and glad she answered my questions which were sometimes almost to the point of accusing her of knowing something etc, but it helped me out a lot to understand things when she did answer me, rather than for me to try to dig up a bunch of info to decide if what I thought might be true or not.  So I think Kara is in a very very very hard position and she is trying to deal with this stuff the best she can, and the truth be, she is getting a LOT of crap over it, not just from the boards but people everywhere are not trying to help her with the things she is trying to do which might help find lindsey.  I suppose she might not even want people to know this but I am saying it anyway... And she can get on here and gripe at me for it if she wants or email me a nasty email etc, but... the truth is there are people in McCleary who seem to be trying to stop her from doing the things she needs to do to help find lindsey.  Now WHY would people do that?  I have no idea, but some people are treating her like crap.  One of the reasons why we don't see any private searches or a search center is because there are some people who seem to not want to help, to the point of purposely NOT allowing the help.  GRRRRRRR.... I don't know why that is, but it is. 

thanks for that post dd, i couldn't imagine being in the position of KK and i think it was best for HER to stop posting on the boards.. i find it very concerning that people are treating her like crap in the town and am not sure i'm comfortable speculating as to why, however its possible that some of the people blame her and think shes out of place trying to organize things, if i'm not mistaken she is also somewhat new to the town. i wish more people in town would realize that this is about a missing child and put all other issues/opinions aside.  i wonder who has the power to NOT allow the help? i do find it very odd that MB has not contacted texas eqqusearch after KK informed her about it.  At first I thought maybe there was a rift growing between mb and kk but then seeing pics of them together at the vigil i don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 01:52:34 PM
From Yosande at WS(after listening to the talk radio show with Melissa):
Melissa stated:

two days before LIndsey went missing, a man was looking for a missing dog. It was legit, and he posted posters around town, but she used it as an opportunity to remind Lindsey of cautions.

MB said she showed Lindsey the SO website.

She wouldn't have gotten in a car with a stranger, she would have fought.

MB says someone knows something.

People know something.

She is concerned someone is covering for the perp.

MB said it was almost 11pm before it got dark that night.

She says her son is a wanderer.

LB was last seen at 9:20pm

She said Lindsey was aware of safety issues.

She said she told Lindsey to kick, fight, scream, if someone ever tried to abduct her.

She said Lindsey had slip on shoes on, and her shoes were not found.

Talking about a website called takeroot.org about adults who were abducted as children, and family members of abducted children.
http://www.takeroot.org/
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=7




Thanks, her son is a wanderer? Like a wanderer during the day and night? But even if Lindsey would have fought, she is still a young girl, and could be overpowered  ::MonkeyNoNo::
That's true,I thought the dog thing happening 2 days before Lindsey went missing was very interesting.
IMO Josh has a hard time staying focused.
What's really interesting is over at WS,a poster had posted some info/rumors about Josh threatening Lindsey and something about threatening to set something on fire.
But that post was edited and the setting fire part was removed but it sure did peek my interest.    ::MonkeyEek::
I'm wondering if Josh set something on fire and that was why he has a juvi record?I don't know if that would be a felony.....but maybe if what he set on fire was public property or someone's private property.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 01:58:22 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs

I was told a different reason, so probably a combination of things.  Can't blame her really.  I'd hate to be her on these forums if I were this close to a case.  You know we all looked at her etc, which is understandable, but still, it has to be hard to read that and not want to tell us off LOL  I think I would have, but she didn't.  And there were other reasons.  But for the most part I would think for "HER" it was best she quit posting on the forums.  Of course WE want to hear everything she says and we want to ask her tons of questions(pointed ones too, and believe me I asked some also, even emailed and flat out asked her), but she was nice about it and answered me.  I think no matter what she said, when she got mixed up, or it didn't fall in line with what someone said etc, it was really starting to look bad.  And then you have the fact the police might not have wanted her on the boards saying anything.  I think it was a combination of ALL the above.  I am glad she was here for the time she was and glad she answered my questions which were sometimes almost to the point of accusing her of knowing something etc, but it helped me out a lot to understand things when she did answer me, rather than for me to try to dig up a bunch of info to decide if what I thought might be true or not.  So I think Kara is in a very very very hard position and she is trying to deal with this stuff the best she can, and the truth be, she is getting a LOT of crap over it, not just from the boards but people everywhere are not trying to help her with the things she is trying to do which might help find lindsey.  I suppose she might not even want people to know this but I am saying it anyway... And she can get on here and gripe at me for it if she wants or email me a nasty email etc, but... the truth is there are people in McCleary who seem to be trying to stop her from doing the things she needs to do to help find lindsey.  Now WHY would people do that?  I have no idea, but some people are treating her like crap.  One of the reasons why we don't see any private searches or a search center is because there are some people who seem to not want to help, to the point of purposely NOT allowing the help.  GRRRRRRR.... I don't know why that is, but it is. 

thanks for that post dd, i couldn't imagine being in the position of KK and i think it was best for HER to stop posting on the boards.. i find it very concerning that people are treating her like crap in the town and am not sure i'm comfortable speculating as to why, however its possible that some of the people blame her and think shes out of place trying to organize things, if i'm not mistaken she is also somewhat new to the town. i wish more people in town would realize that this is about a missing child and put all other issues/opinions aside.  i wonder who has the power to NOT allow the help? i do find it very odd that MB has not contacted texas eqqusearch after KK informed her about it.  At first I thought maybe there was a rift growing between mb and kk but then seeing pics of them together at the vigil i don't know.

I can't even begin to guess what causes people in small towns to do what they do.  I have lived in several tiny towns.  Smallest had 2000 people so about like McCleary.  What I do know of towns like this everyone knows everything, and the gossip line is 24/7.  It never stops.  So if someone gets mad at you or just is a busy body, then call so and so and then on it goes, then it goes to the churches and then they gossip too, and if you do anything at all someone else does not like, they lie, then on it goes, then if they EVER find out ONE thing about you or about someone you are related to then you become the worst person on the face of the earth.  And she has lived there 6 months, so she is a target for gossip.  so if the old multi-generational locals happens not to like her or melissa or one of the kids, they will sit and do this stuff just to be mean. ugh.  I saw it all the time where I have lived.  It's like people have nothing better to do than sit around and gossip and try to run the other person in the ground.  Missing child or not, some people just still do it or won't help because of it. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 02:00:16 PM
I wonder since the Baum's and KaraK's families were fairly new to the area, they are considered "outsiders?" I know that Melissa had some ties, but she had been gone for years. Did KaraK have some previous ties to the area?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:02:21 PM
KaraK has been real busy trying to get a search center up and running working with some people from the Laura Recovery Center. They thought they had secured a location and the person/company that offered to donate the space for the command center, pulled out at the last minute. So they are scrambling to try and find some office space or some location space to be donated to run searches from. They are not having any luck. :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
okay back to looking at all the so's all of you dug up.  I'll be busy but I am still reading here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
KaraK has been real busy trying to get a search center up and running working with some people from the Laura Recovery Center. They thought they had secured a location and the person/company that offered to donate the space for the command center, pulled out at the last minute. So they are scrambling to try and find some office space or some location space to be donated to run searches from. They are not having any luck. :(


EXACTLY... and why is no one helping with this is my question... gee a child is missing and people are deciding not to help.  GRRRRRRRR


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
I just want to know why no one is helping!!!!  we need a MEAN LOOK button GRRRRR 

seriously why is no one helping with this?  what is wrong with people.  Lindsey could still be alive and out somewhere with these monsterous people/person, going through who knows what, and people are sitting around thinking well maybe it is better they don't get involved  WTH !!!  let it be their child and see how they would feel.  This is about Lindsey getting some help, NOT KARA... I don't know why people are not helping her, who cares what the reason is for not helping KARA< but can't they see beyond that and help LINDSEY.  If I lived up there I would go kick some (^(^(@yohhyh@(t(t%(@*^r*_ ABOUT NOW.  grrr..
sorry but I have known about this for some time and I am just plain furious that SOME people will act like this.

okay I 'm not saying anymore about this, I am just straight up MAD


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 02:12:05 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 02:14:27 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.

It would be interesting to see what was set on fire. I am wondering if it was something of Lindsay's?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 02:15:49 PM
I am mad about so many things in this case. i wish i lived closer so i could be more helpful. ugh. i also feel like from what i've heard karak has been more active in trying to help find lindsey than mb has, but i could be wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 02:18:10 PM
I just want to know why no one is helping!!!!  we need a MEAN LOOK button GRRRRR 

seriously why is no one helping with this?  what is wrong with people.  Lindsey could still be alive and out somewhere with these monsterous people/person, going through who knows what, and people are sitting around thinking well maybe it is better they don't get involved  WTH !!!  let it be their child and see how they would feel.  This is about Lindsey getting some help, NOT KARA... I don't know why people are not helping her, who cares what the reason is for not helping KARA< but can't they see beyond that and help LINDSEY.  If I lived up there I would go kick some (^(^(@yohhyh@(t(t%(@*^r*_ ABOUT NOW.  grrr..
sorry but I have known about this for some time and I am just plain furious that SOME people will act like this.

okay I 'm not saying anymore about this, I am just straight up MAD

DD ... I believe the residence of McCleary suspect what happened to Lindsey Baum but are not as outspoken in their suspicions as a former Mccleary residence.

IMO.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
Above post.

residence s/b residents


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
there are all kinds of empty buildings in that town, just sitting there vacant.  why won't someone let them use one?  heck how much is the cost to rent one.  Can't everyone pitch in a dollar even to rent a building.  good lord

ok I promise, I am going to work on the SO list now and get off this subject, it is making me someone I don't want to be.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 02:20:59 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:21:53 PM
I just want to know why no one is helping!!!!  we need a MEAN LOOK button GRRRRR 

seriously why is no one helping with this?  what is wrong with people.  Lindsey could still be alive and out somewhere with these monsterous people/person, going through who knows what, and people are sitting around thinking well maybe it is better they don't get involved  WTH !!!  let it be their child and see how they would feel.  This is about Lindsey getting some help, NOT KARA... I don't know why people are not helping her, who cares what the reason is for not helping KARA< but can't they see beyond that and help LINDSEY.  If I lived up there I would go kick some (^(^(@yohhyh@(t(t%(@*^r*_ ABOUT NOW.  grrr..
sorry but I have known about this for some time and I am just plain furious that SOME people will act like this.

okay I 'm not saying anymore about this, I am just straight up MAD

DD ... I believe the residence of McCleary suspect what happened to Lindsey Baum but are not as outspoken in their suspicions as a former Mccleary residence.

IMO.

Janet

even so, no matter what they suspect, Lindsey is still missing, she might be alive, she might not be alive, but still someone should be out there looking for her.  There just is no excuse whatsoever for people not want to help look for her no matter who they think did this and nor matter if they even believe she is not alive.  She still needs to be found.  I just don't understand people.  ugh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 02:23:57 PM
Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.

Just speculating.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:24:12 PM
one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.


DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:26:20 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.

okay I am a total liar, I am still on this subject ugh... yes I think that is one of the reasons, they don't like someone so they are not about to help.  then we have the OTHER people(they know who they are) just don't want to get INVOLVED>  why would someone feel they should not get involved.  who are they worried about?

see something is just wrong here.  maybe they should take the search center to ELMA... where are all the church people, can't they find a building?  you know, all those people who are home praying>  Well sorry, but if someone is praying for God to help, God calls on someone to help, so God did his job, and someone is not listening to him.  grrr. 

omg.  I have to get out of here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 02:29:55 PM
one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.


DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682

I saw that also, but I really think too that perhaps the family is not well liked.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:30:35 PM
one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.


DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682


my god the laura recovery is involved in this, Amber Dubois' family got involved, it is not like they are sending money to kara or melissa to go eat pizza for god's sake.  who cares who is asking for the donations as long as there is a search center and some equipment to print up the flyers, buy gas to go look, help to organize searches etc... what the heck are people thinking, Kara does not drive, lindsey's mom has no car, so I guess they are suppose to go out there walking through the woods and all over by themselves trying to locate lindsey. 

are these people crazy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:31:12 PM
O/T sorta. There is a 8 year old boy missing from Boise, ID.

He asked at 7 pm Friday night to go to a friend's birthday party and was told no by his parents. He went missing and was last seen at 9:30 Friday night. No Amber Alert ::shakes head:: and it's Monday...he is still missing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5793.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:34:22 PM
one more thing I want to say.... and I also believe there are people "for whatever reason" do not want to get INVOLVED.  now that is the scarey one.


DD there was some talk about how some of the locals have been turned off by the over aggressive attempts by certain people trying to obtain donations in Lindsey's name. Which is a shame because the locals are the ones that might hold the clues to what happened to Lindsey.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3956526&postcount=8
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3986591&postcount=682


my god the laura recovery is involved in this, Amber Dubois' family got involved, it is not like they are sending money to kara or melissa to go eat pizza for god's sake.  who cares who is asking for the donations as long as there is a search center and some equipment to print up the flyers, buy gas to go look, help to organize searches etc... what the heck are people thinking, Kara does not drive, lindsey's mom has no car, so I guess they are suppose to go out there walking through the woods and all over by themselves trying to locate lindsey. 

are these people crazy

okay I posted this before I even read the links, I am on a tangent sorry.  okay after reading. well don't give money to just anyone, take it to the bank... and get it deposited in the Search fund, to be used ONLY for that.  who is overseeing the fund?  I am sure with the people helping kara with this that they know how to set up a legit fund.  Amber's family was up there, the laura recovery people were up there, they all know how to set this stuff up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 02:37:00 PM
I wonder since the Baum's and KaraK's families were fairly new to the area, they are considered "outsiders?" I know that Melissa had some ties, but she had been gone for years. Did KaraK have some previous ties to the area?
I have always wondered if Kara had ties to McCleary or family in WA.I think Kara was asked this at one time and she may have said something about researching McCleary and it seemed like a nice little town.I know she does have family in WA though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
Very true :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 27, 2009, 02:40:17 PM
People can hold terrible grudges even when the well being of a child is involved. I witnessed this first hand when I was a kid. My parents were feuding with a neighbor. I was riding my bicycle really fast down our street (it was a big hill) and I wrecked right in front of the neighbor's house. I was a bloody mess. The neighbor was out watering his grass right by the street. He saw everything. Instead of coming over to see if I was okay, he turned away and began spraying another area of his lawn. I was 11 at the time. I'll never forget that as long as I live.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 02:43:04 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.
No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:51:28 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.
No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?

It was links to his juvi charges or court schedule something to that effect. He did have a court date the day after Lindsey said "my brother is going to juvi", on her myspace page.

I am sure she heard her mom talking about how if he pleaded guilty or was found guilty that juvi could be one of the options for the judge to  hand down for her brother. She probably assumed he would be going and posted as such.

jmo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
The charges were related to a fire. It wasn't abuse or domestic related.
What kind of fire or where the fire was, I don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 02:57:24 PM
so I guess the whole town refuses to help look for lindsey or refuses to help with a search center because they don't like someone or because people are mad or because they are asked for donations to help in a search center, or ONE guy had a can at the bear festival asking for help to pay melissa's bills.  .  so now the locals are mad and McCleary is not going to help.  okay fine, what about the rest of the world.  so NO ONE is going to help.  so just let the perp stay out there and grab another child off their streets.  then what?  hey go to mccleary to grab kids off the street because the locals don't care.

wow!!! if they get the money to rent a building, will anyone rent them one?  what if they buy a travel trailer to set up a search center, will anyone let them park it anywhere?  or if they set up a search center who will go there to help search?  NO ONE?  because some people are mad?  is everyone in McCleary mad? 

so no one does a thing... wonderful !!!! gee...

so are the people in Elma mad also?  what about melissa's friend in elma, can't they set it up over there?  what about a room in that Nice church where they take in all the people wanted by the law, gee lindsey and josh even went there, can't they open up one of the rooms to the church to use as a search center, heck they say they are there 24/7 praying, so what would it hurt to have a search center in one of those rooms? 

or a trailer in their parking lot. 

what about wayne watne's church, guess josh attended there, can't they allow them to set up in their parking lot? 

are they not allowed to rent the community center?  oh but wait, even if they did no one would come to help, right?  because the whole town is mad at them. 

I'm really really really am out of here for awhile.  so if I don't answer it is because I am not reading until I get UN-mad

 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 02:58:02 PM
Oh my....while reading WS,look what a poster found about Josh Baum:

 ::MonkeyEek::

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86169&page=3

Hyldo wrote:

Quote
She made that comment on June 17. Using the Washington court records name search and searching JB's name, I found that an individual with JB's name had a review hearing (in a felony case!) on June 18 in Grays Harbor County Superior Court. It seems likely to be JB's case as the case history includes an entry labeled "Stmnt Of Juv Offndr/plea of Guilty".

I think Lindsey probably heard her mother talking about the appearance and, while he wasn't actually being sent to a juvenile center on that date, an 11 year old girl wouldn't really know the distinction between going to court and going to juvy.

I should add that I learned the case was a felony-level case by taking the case number that I obtained from the name search and then searching by case number on the superior court case number search page.



http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namesearch&terms=accept&flashform=0

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.superiorSearch&terms=accept&flashform=0



I cant get that info through the search of the courts, but I do remember the statement being said about Josh going to Juvi, and I wondered what for? 
Try searching the case number:
15 Baum, Joshua S
Judgment Debtor  G H Co Superior  09-9-80050-4  04-09-2009
16 Baum, Joshua S
Defendant  G H Co Superior  09-8-00024-5  03-02-2009

If that doesn't work I could just post the info here but seeing how he's a juvenile I don't know if that's allowed?

bump


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 02:58:48 PM
Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.

Just speculating.

Janet


I am agreeing with you 100%. However, I don't see how she could have passed a lie detector test, in that case. Stranger things have happened though. And yes, I think KaraK has been way more forthcoming than MB has. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
People can hold terrible grudges even when the well being of a child is involved. I witnessed this first hand when I was a kid. My parents were feuding with a neighbor. I was riding my bicycle really fast down our street (it was a big hill) and I wrecked right in front of the neighbor's house. I was a bloody mess. The neighbor was out watering his grass right by the street. He saw everything. Instead of coming over to see if I was okay, he turned away and began spraying another area of his lawn. I was 11 at the time. I'll never forget that as long as I live.
  ::MonkeyAngel::  I'm sorry, but I do know exactly what you are saying, I think that the family is not well liked perhaps and that is the reason. I know it might not make sense, but that is how things are with some people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 03:05:37 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.
No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?
Darn it no, just something about a fire, I went back to look and didn't see anything else.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 03:47:38 PM
Has the water tower been searched?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 03:50:18 PM
Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.
Just speculating.
Janet
Janet, are you saying Lindsey's mother doesn't want the truth to be exposed?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
While reading on WS, I saw a posting of something I hadn't considered.  The visiblity of the small pool the girls had been playing in all day.  It is right on Main Street and is visible from the intersection by the gas station.  Could someone have been watching the girls in the pool that day, and then taken an opportunity to take Lindsey?  Makes me shudder.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 27, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
I've been reading & reading all these posts and racking my brain trying to understand what is happening with this case.  Nothing about this makes sense at all. :smt102 

My gut tells me they know what happened to Lindsey (the community) & are afraid to say anything because of who the perp is. 

Also, I do know that sometimes people know or see things & will not get involved for whatever reason.

It seems very odd to me that the whole community would be this way even if they do not like the family for whatever reason, you would still think they would be willing to help find a missing child. 

Somebody knows something.  I find it hard to believe that a child can just disappear a few blocks from home in a small town where everybody knows everybody's business & nobody saw or heard anything. 

Something smells rotten in McCleary. 

IF the f.b.i. is still handling the case then I feel good that they will figure this out.  I just hope it isn't too late for Lindsey.

There just seems to be some strange behavior in that town & the surrounding area. 

WHERE IS LINDSEY? 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 03:59:10 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?
Fanny Mae, if I was her, I wouldn't post here either.  First there was all the finger pointing as to "how could you" let her walk home alone, etc., next was the calling her a liar about what time it was light or not, then there was the ad nausem about which "minute" Lindsey left the house, then there was the self-righteous "I would never . . ." and on and on and on.  None of which was directed at helping find Lindsey, just crap IMO.  She came on here to help and was torn to shreds.  She didn't mind being looked at and dissected, but then her parts where thrown in the wind.
Also, while I'm on my own tear DD, I agree that all these "praying" souls need to get off their proverbial knees and actually do something, like help find a center.  It is so much easier to sit back on our collective arses and speculate.
The post from WS was edited, striking about the fire, but oh boy! we already have the brother as being sexually abused.  Talk about a grrrrrr!  No wonder Kara doesn't post here folks! JMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 04:06:50 PM
Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.
Just speculating.
Janet
Janet, are you saying Lindsey's mother doesn't want the truth to be exposed?

No idea.

Just speculating.

I have never made it a secret that I believe the residents and respective properties ... between where the witness observed Lindsey on Maple two blocks from home ... should be questioned and search.

I have never made it a secret that the revealed underlying dynamics encompassing Josh Baum should dictate that Lindsey's brother is questioned and the Baum property searched.

I have never made it a secret that I consider Wayne Watnee's connection to both Josh and Lindsey as well as the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... should imply that this man is questioned and his property searched.

Think about precious Jessica Lundford.  Think about where the perp lived.  Think about were her little body was found weeks following her disapearance.

Granted ... the investigation did focus on the grandfather and father as persons of interest but ... failed to consider that a known sex offender was residing an eye view away.

In my opinion ... the residents along that two block stretch ... Josh Baum and ... Wayne Watnee are being given a free pass as persons of interest in the process of elimination.  Why?

I pray that I am all wrong and ... the investigation has questoned these people as persons of interest and ... have been eliminated as suspects.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 04:09:14 PM
Just offering up some additional information about a church in McCleary, that was mentioned a long, long time ago, first week in July as I recall by a poster, and I don't believe anything ever came of it.  The reason I bring it back to the present is that Wayne Watne is TOTALLY involved with this ministry.

The first article about the vigil, stated that Wayne Watne was a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church in Olympia.  Well how about the McCleary Campus, as they call it?  Find it here on MySpace and open the photos if there's any doubt that WW is definitely a part of this ministry.   http://www.myspace.com/mceccgroup1 (http://www.myspace.com/mceccgroup1).  And I believe the location of this church is on, what could be considered, Lindsey's route home.

I believe it was Madibabe who posted her dream on the other Lindsey thread and another SM local responded that while doing some garage sale stuff, she remembers that there is a church in this part of town, with a broken down house, all boarded up next door.  This is probably that church.

Also, doesn't WW live on the same street, about a block away?  And why does WW have so many address posted here and there?  Current ones.  Mt. Vernon is still showing up, Olympia is still showing up, and nothing I can find for McCleary yet.  Probably renting.

And while I'm at it.  I watched the video of the last vigil the other night.  I am not a preacher or a minister or a missionary, but I would have been able to say a lot more to that meager audience.  And I hope that WW did say more than what was videoed, "All we can do is hope."  Well, that's a bunch of hogwash.  All we can do is hope?  There's a lot more that "we" can do than simply hope.  And most of you have articulated that perfectly here in the last few pages.  It seemed like the voice of apathy, or perhaps something else altogether.

Passionately submitted.



Interesting - ever notice how most churches have white vans?   Sure wish I weren't so behind on this case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:09:40 PM
just a note, fire setting can be a sign of sexual abuse in children. i have seen it a lot in my line of work.
I had seen that post that Karma was talking about from WS. And I wondered if that may be why the boy was in trouble because of something like that. When I was a kid the people across the street their youngest son was always playing around with matches. Just to throw this out there, could it be that some of the people don't want to help is because they don't like the Baum family, maybe because of something that one of the kids or the mom did? That kind of thing spreads fast through a small town, and it's wrong that someone doesn't want to help because of perhaps a grievance with the family, but that doesn't surprise me at all.
No Rose,did you get to read the whole post before it was squashed?

It was links to his juvi charges or court schedule something to that effect. He did have a court date the day after Lindsey said "my brother is going to juvi", on her myspace page.

I am sure she heard her mom talking about how if he pleaded guilty or was found guilty that juvi could be one of the options for the judge to  hand down for her brother. She probably assumed he would be going and posted as such.

jmo
I saw his juvi charges yesterday,court dates/bail/fines.But we don't know what he was charged with,only know it was a felony whatever it was.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 04:10:29 PM
While reading on WS, I saw a posting of something I hadn't considered.  The visiblity of the small pool the girls had been playing in all day.  It is right on Main Street and is visible from the intersection by the gas station.  Could someone have been watching the girls in the pool that day, and then taken an opportunity to take Lindsey?  Makes me shudder.   ::MonkeyEek::
Makes me shudder also, but the condition of that house and yard upset me as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?
Fanny Mae, if I was her, I wouldn't post here either.  First there was all the finger pointing as to "how could you" let her walk home alone, etc., next was the calling her a liar about what time it was light or not, then there was the ad nausem about which "minute" Lindsey left the house, then there was the self-righteous "I would never . . ." and on and on and on.  None of which was directed at helping find Lindsey, just crap IMO.  She came on here to help and was torn to shreds.  She didn't mind being looked at and dissected, but then her parts where thrown in the wind.
Also, while I'm on my own tear DD, I agree that all these "praying" souls need to get off their proverbial knees and actually do something, like help find a center.  It is so much easier to sit back on our collective arses and speculate.
The post from WS was edited, striking about the fire, but oh boy! we already have the brother as being sexually abused.  Talk about a grrrrrr!  No wonder Kara doesn't post here folks! JMHO

Sister,  I don't believe anyone said that Josh had been sexually abused.  I believe that what was said was that children that start fires may have a connection to sexual abuse.  Since we are very busy looking at SO that maybe involved with Lindsey's disappearance, and Josh and Lindsey had many of the same contacts, would it be unreasonable to look for that type of connection?     Maybe I am sitting on "my collective arse" and speculating, but if the speculation gets us closer to finding Lindsey, or the perpatrator, I will consider myself a contributor by looking at all aspects of the equation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 04:11:53 PM
Considering Melissa Baum has passed a polygraph in regards to her involvement in the disappearance of her daughter ... I will go out on a limb and suggest that she is between a rock and a hard place concerning whether she truly desires the truth to be exposed.
Just speculating.
Janet
Janet, are you saying Lindsey's mother doesn't want the truth to be exposed?

No idea.

Just speculating.

I have never made it a secret that I believe the residents and respective properties ... between where the witness observed Lindsey on Maple two blocks from home ... should be questioned and search.

I have never made it a secret that the revealed underlying dynamics encompassing Josh Baum should dictate that Lindsey's brother is questioned and the Baum property searched.

I have never made it a secret that I consider Wayne Watnee's connection to both Josh and Lindsey as well as the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... should imply that this man is questioned and his property searched.

Think about precious Jessica Lundford.  Think about where the perp lived.  Think about were her little body was found weeks following her disapearance.

Granted ... the investigation did focus on the grandfather and father as persons of interest but ... failed to consider that a known sex offender was residing an eye view away.

In my opinion ... the residents along that two block stretch ... Josh Baum and ... Wayne Watnee are being given a free pass as persons of interest in the process of elimination.  Why?

I pray that I am all wrong and ... the investigation has questoned these people as persons of interest and ... have been eliminated as suspects.

Janet

 

Makes me wonder if they even heard about the Sandra Cantu case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 04:14:05 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?
Fanny Mae, if I was her, I wouldn't post here either.  First there was all the finger pointing as to "how could you" let her walk home alone, etc., next was the calling her a liar about what time it was light or not, then there was the ad nausem about which "minute" Lindsey left the house, then there was the self-righteous "I would never . . ." and on and on and on.  None of which was directed at helping find Lindsey, just crap IMO.  She came on here to help and was torn to shreds.  She didn't mind being looked at and dissected, but then her parts where thrown in the wind.
Also, while I'm on my own tear DD, I agree that all these "praying" souls need to get off their proverbial knees and actually do something, like help find a center.  It is so much easier to sit back on our collective arses and speculate.
The post from WS was edited, striking about the fire, but oh boy! we already have the brother as being sexually abused.  Talk about a grrrrrr!  No wonder Kara doesn't post here folks! JMHO

I question the wisdom of letting ten year old Lindsey walk the streets of McCleary without supervision ... without contacting her Mother that she was on the way home but ... when I consider the timing of witness' observation of Lindsey on Maple ... two blocks from her home and ... Scott Williams' passing of a lie detector test ... I believe Kara Kampen and ... I appreciated her input to the forum.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
 ::MonkeyShocked::

AZSunny!!!

I have been waiting for ya.

Meet you in the Natalee Holloway forum.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 04:16:49 PM
::MonkeyShocked::

AZSunny!!!

I have been waiting for ya.

Meet you in the Natalee Holloway forum.

Janet
OK,  be right there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 04:21:03 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 04:21:57 PM
AZSunny, couldn't agree more -- the collective arse was to the folks in McCleary who read here and comment and are not willing to help set up a center.
I too appreciated Kara's comments.  She was trying to be most helpful.
Janet, thanks for your thoughts, which I have read before, I just wanted an answer to your speculation.  Appreciate you providing it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
I've been reading & reading all these posts and racking my brain trying to understand what is happening with this case.  Nothing about this makes sense at all. :smt102 

My gut tells me they know what happened to Lindsey (the community) & are afraid to say anything because of who the perp is. 

Also, I do know that sometimes people know or see things & will not get involved for whatever reason.

It seems very odd to me that the whole community would be this way even if they do not like the family for whatever reason, you would still think they would be willing to help find a missing child. 

Somebody knows something.  I find it hard to believe that a child can just disappear a few blocks from home in a small town where everybody knows everybody's business & nobody saw or heard anything. 

Something smells rotten in McCleary. 

IF the f.b.i. is still handling the case then I feel good that they will figure this out.  I just hope it isn't too late for Lindsey.

There just seems to be some strange behavior in that town & the surrounding area. 

WHERE IS LINDSEY? 



This is all very confusing, usually a town gathers together, and help each other. This is the opposite, sort of like acting like this didn't happen, all very strange. I wonder if the mom is getting some support from neighbors, like giving her a ride to places, bringing in a meal once in awhile?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:42:18 PM
While reading on WS, I saw a posting of something I hadn't considered.  The visiblity of the small pool the girls had been playing in all day.  It is right on Main Street and is visible from the intersection by the gas station.  Could someone have been watching the girls in the pool that day, and then taken an opportunity to take Lindsey?  Makes me shudder.   ::MonkeyEek::
I think that's a possibility.Also,where the girls were swimming at all day(the day Lindsey went missing),the girls that weren't friends any longer with Lindsey,had just made up with her(and possibly Kayla?)and they were friends again....going by Kara's posts.I'm wondering if these girls had older siblings.Borrowed these pics from WS.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 04:45:01 PM
Is that like a junk yard where the pool is?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 04:46:30 PM
AZSunny, couldn't agree more -- the collective arse was to the folks in McCleary who read here and comment and are not willing to help set up a center.
I too appreciated Kara's comments.  She was trying to be most helpful.
Janet, thanks for your thoughts, which I have read before, I just wanted an answer to your speculation.  Appreciate you providing it.

The reason I asked about KaraK is I went back to her posts earlier, and she was quite forthcoming about things that were posted. I know there was a lot of judgemetal posts early on, but toward the middle of July when she stopped posting it didn't seem to be as bad. Most of the stuff about her relatives and live in "old man" had already been discussed. It just seemed to me that she stopped abruptly. That was why I asked. She always did seem to be forthcoming and much more involved that Melissa.

Unfortunately, KaraK WAS one of the last know people to see Lindsay. Of course, people are going to look and dig. It is the nature of asking questions. Life is not always fair, and I know she didn't ask for this to happen to her. Please know, that I am not being critical of her.

 I do not live in McCleary, and I do not know what the dynamic is there. But is sure does sound like it is occurring with people to turn their backs on a missing 12 year old, and there has to be some reason for it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?
Fanny Mae, if I was her, I wouldn't post here either.  First there was all the finger pointing as to "how could you" let her walk home alone, etc., next was the calling her a liar about what time it was light or not, then there was the ad nausem about which "minute" Lindsey left the house, then there was the self-righteous "I would never . . ." and on and on and on.  None of which was directed at helping find Lindsey, just crap IMO.  She came on here to help and was torn to shreds.  She didn't mind being looked at and dissected, but then her parts where thrown in the wind.
Also, while I'm on my own tear DD, I agree that all these "praying" souls need to get off their proverbial knees and actually do something, like help find a center.  It is so much easier to sit back on our collective arses and speculate.
The post from WS was edited, striking about the fire, but oh boy! we already have the brother as being sexually abused.  Talk about a grrrrrr!  No wonder Kara doesn't post here folks! JMHO

Sister,  I don't believe anyone said that Josh had been sexually abused.  I believe that what was said was that children that start fires may have a connection to sexual abuse.  Since we are very busy looking at SO that maybe involved with Lindsey's disappearance, and Josh and Lindsey had many of the same contacts, would it be unreasonable to look for that type of connection?     Maybe I am sitting on "my collective arse" and speculating, but if the speculation gets us closer to finding Lindsey, or the perpatrator, I will consider myself a contributor by looking at all aspects of the equation.
Thank you AZSunny,very well said.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:52:18 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::
That's also possible and I hope they did check the water towers.However,everyone keeps saying how Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark so I think she would have hurried home.Another also,I'll have to try and find the post but Kara told us Lindsey was very afraid of the dark but in one post to us she stated something about the kids that live on the street over from Lindsey were not allowed to hang out with her and Josh because they stayed out after dark.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
Is that like a junk yard where the pool is?
I don't think so     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 04:56:38 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::
That's also possible and I hope they did check the water towers.However,everyone keeps saying how Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark so I think she would have hurried home.Another also,I'll have to try and find the post but Kara told us Lindsey was very afraid of the dark but in one post to us she stated something about the kids that live on the street over from Lindsey were not allowed to hang out with her and Josh because they stayed out after dark.   ::MonkeyConfused::
This just doesn't make any sense. I think that I read on WS, that some of the kids couldn't play with her because of lack of supervision, and like you just posted that they stayed out after dark. If you are afraid of the dark, you certainly aren't outside playing in the dark  ::MonkeyConfused:: I'm still questioning that statement from Melissa about Josh wandering. Wandering at all hours of the day and night?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 04:58:55 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::
That's also possible and I hope they did check the water towers.However,everyone keeps saying how Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark so I think she would have hurried home.Another also,I'll have to try and find the post but Kara told us Lindsey was very afraid of the dark but in one post to us she stated something about the kids that live on the street over from Lindsey were not allowed to hang out with her and Josh because they stayed out after dark.   ::MonkeyConfused::
This just doesn't make any sense. I think that I read on WS, that some of the kids couldn't play with her because of lack of supervision, and like you just posted that they stayed out after dark. If you are afraid of the dark, you certainly aren't outside playing in the dark  ::MonkeyConfused:: I'm still questioning that statement from Melissa about Josh wandering. Wandering at all hours of the day and night?
I'm not sure what she meant...maybe she meant he is a loner and just wanders around town   :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 04:59:41 PM
Karma or someone who knows how to bump, Muffy posted a picture of Lindsey in a pool (credit to Pink Angel) and it looks like a regular swimming pool.  It's on the photo thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:00:49 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::
That's also possible and I hope they did check the water towers.However,everyone keeps saying how Lindsey was afraid of the dark and didn't like being out in the dark so I think she would have hurried home.Another also,I'll have to try and find the post but Kara told us Lindsey was very afraid of the dark but in one post to us she stated something about the kids that live on the street over from Lindsey were not allowed to hang out with her and Josh because they stayed out after dark.   ::MonkeyConfused::
This just doesn't make any sense. I think that I read on WS, that some of the kids couldn't play with her because of lack of supervision, and like you just posted that they stayed out after dark. If you are afraid of the dark, you certainly aren't outside playing in the dark  ::MonkeyConfused:: I'm still questioning that statement from Melissa about Josh wandering. Wandering at all hours of the day and night?
I'm not sure what she meant...maybe she meant he is a loner and just wanders around town   :smt102
I guess we could listen to that radio show she did to get the exact content....but I just ate dinner and don't want to make myself sick listening to michelle bart.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:02:14 PM
Karma or someone who knows how to bump, Muffy posted a picture of Lindsey in a pool (credit to Pink Angel) and it looks like a regular swimming pool.  It's on the photo thread.
I have that photo.....



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:04:07 PM
Karma or someone who knows how to bump, Muffy posted a picture of Lindsey in a pool (credit to Pink Angel) and it looks like a regular swimming pool.  It's on the photo thread.
I have that photo.....


For what it's worth,I think this is an older image of Lindsey.Look how small Josh is.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:06:00 PM
Karma or someone who knows how to bump, Muffy posted a picture of Lindsey in a pool (credit to Pink Angel) and it looks like a regular swimming pool.  It's on the photo thread.
I have that photo.....




For what it's worth,I think this is an older image of Lindsey.Look how small Josh is.


Ooppsss,forgot the photo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:06:14 PM
sorry, I don't see Josh
somewhere I thought I had read there was a public pool, but again -- again, I could be mistaken.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:07:07 PM
I see him now, yes, I agree, older photo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 05:07:23 PM
Karma or someone who knows how to bump, Muffy posted a picture of Lindsey in a pool (credit to Pink Angel) and it looks like a regular swimming pool.  It's on the photo thread.
I have that photo.....


For what it's worth,I think this is an older image of Lindsey.Look how small Josh is.


I think so too, and that is a pool maybe at a Y or a school.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:08:07 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope is it okay to say this...

I have been told they did search the water towers.  If she had have crawled up the stairs or whatever they have to get up there, and fell in, they would have known she went up the stairs.  so they would have looked if she went up there.  so at least she is most likely not in the water towers. 

I also have an update on yesterday... I don't know how much I should say etc, but here is the basics.  Adam Campbell was positively 100% id'd by someone as being seen with Lindsey.  but they checked it out and Adam has a 100% legit solid tight alibi where he was during that week and he was two states away.  So rule him out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:08:14 PM
I see him now, yes, I agree, older photo.
I think(ICBW)that Kara said they don't have a community pool in McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
however this now tells me we might be looking for someone who looks very much like adam.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:11:21 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope is it okay to say this...

I have been told they did search the water towers.  If she had have crawled up the stairs or whatever they have to get up there, and fell in, they would have known she went up the stairs.  so they would have looked if she went up there.  so at least she is most likely not in the water towers. 

I also have an update on yesterday... I don't know how much I should say etc, but here is the basics.  Adam Campbell was positively 100% id'd by someone as being seen with Lindsey.  but they checked it out and Adam has a 100% legit solid tight alibi where he was during that week and he was two states away.  So rule him out.
Isn't he a SO?Doesn't he have to have the OK to move out of state or to travel out of state?When was he seen with Lindsey....if you can say DD?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:12:30 PM
dd, could you post Adam's pix again.  Maybe someone from McCleary reading will know of someone that looks similar.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:13:07 PM
however this now tells me we might be looking for someone who looks very much like adam.
I think we need a SO thread to put all of this into with pictures if possible.Do you have a pic of him?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 05:14:31 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope is it okay to say this...

I have been told they did search the water towers.  If she had have crawled up the stairs or whatever they have to get up there, and fell in, they would have known she went up the stairs.  so they would have looked if she went up there.  so at least she is most likely not in the water towers. 

I also have an update on yesterday... I don't know how much I should say etc, but here is the basics.  Adam Campbell was positively 100% id'd by someone as being seen with Lindsey.  but they checked it out and Adam has a 100% legit solid tight alibi where he was during that week and he was two states away.  So rule him out.
Wow, thanks for those two updates, much appreciated. Why would Adam be seen with Lindsey, he is so much older, is he perhaps a family friend?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:16:31 PM
everything on adam is here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-age-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t232.html

feel free to copy it over or use what you need to.  I don't mind.  but also be sure to add that he was tracked down and questioned and he does have a solid alibi to prove he was two states away all through that time period. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 05:16:39 PM
SO's if they are not on parole can travel freely. They just can not move without registering in the new state they move to.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:17:48 PM
This may be far fetched but at this point why not throw this out there. Is there anyway that Lindsey could have gone somewhere around the area to maybe waste time or think or whatever and had an accident? That is why I asked about the water tower, is there any way she could have been up on there, can you fall in a water tower? I'm sure this sounds stupid, but I'm just wondering. I saw a movie once where a body was found in a water tower. Something is so off on this, and I just keep feeling something happened at her home. I don't know why I feel that someone didn't grab her, and I'm driving myself crazy over this.  ::MonkeyConfused::

I hope is it okay to say this...

I have been told they did search the water towers.  If she had have crawled up the stairs or whatever they have to get up there, and fell in, they would have known she went up the stairs.  so they would have looked if she went up there.  so at least she is most likely not in the water towers. 

I also have an update on yesterday... I don't know how much I should say etc, but here is the basics.  Adam Campbell was positively 100% id'd by someone as being seen with Lindsey.  but they checked it out and Adam has a 100% legit solid tight alibi where he was during that week and he was two states away.  So rule him out.
Wow, thanks for those two updates, much appreciated. Why would Adam be seen with Lindsey, he is so much older, is he perhaps a family friend?

no, it was nothing at all like that, being seen with her is a mild statement.  someone id'd him as dragging her off.  He knows no one, was nowhere near anyone, he just happens to look like someone is all. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:20:21 PM
I have to take my dog to the vet, will be back later.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 05:21:11 PM
dd - so is the search for SO over 40 and 6ft, greater than about 250 - is that still on or off?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:22:33 PM
SO's if they are not on parole can travel freely. They just can not move without registering in the new state they move to.
pink, they are "suppose" to register when they move anywhere.  Many get around this by classifying themselves as "homeless."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:23:13 PM
dd - so is the search for SO over 40 and 6ft, greater than about 250 - is that still on or off?

still looking, and also someone that looks like adam, but... the thing is the person id'd the wrong person, understandable, but now I am not sure what the person looks like we are looking for, but if this person actually saw what they think they saw, then we are looking for two guys, one looks like adam the other like the heavy set guy.  gee.  we are basically back to square one with description of two guys people thought they saw.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:26:13 PM
and I might add the guy seen at the shell gas station the next day is also a BIG GUY, so we are still trying to find the BIG GUY and the adam look-a-like guy. 

now these might be good leads and they might not be, I just don't know.  people are 100% sure but sometimes they just are not.  so we can try to see if we can use this as a clue, better than no clue, but still would not get so stuck on it we don't look at anything else. 

adam posting on lindsey's guestbook was his worst nightmare..  bet he don't do that again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 27, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
SO's if they are not on parole can travel freely. They just can not move without registering in the new state they move to.
Thank you Pink


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 05:29:52 PM
re: the water tower

scandi from WS called and talked to the man that runs the water treatment plant:
Quote

He said the water tower is unaccessible to the public. The water is syphoned up into it and then drains out by gravity - just the basics of that. I said you mean they never go in and clean it out? He said yes they do but for that they first drain all the water out and have a way in only they can access.

He then said if anyone had breeched the tower it would have shown up as a change in water pressure and that has not happened. I said that rules that out then, and he agreed she couln't be in the tower itself or they would know about it from their gauges.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3991536&postcount=262


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 05:31:28 PM
re: the water tower

scandi from WS called and talked to the man that runs the water treatment plant:
Quote

He said the water tower is unaccessible to the public. The water is syphoned up into it and then drains out by gravity - just the basics of that. I said you mean they never go in and clean it out? He said yes they do but for that they first drain all the water out and have a way in only they can access.

He then said if anyone had breeched the tower it would have shown up as a change in water pressure and that has not happened. I said that rules that out then, and he agreed she couln't be in the tower itself or they would know about it from their gauges.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3991536&postcount=262

that is certainly interesting info, will have to remember that for later reference if I am ever thinking of water towers. 

ok I HAVE To get out of here and get to the vet  ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
SO's if they are not on parole can travel freely. They just can not move without registering in the new state they move to.
pink, they are "suppose" to register when they move anywhere.  Many get around this by classifying themselves as "homeless."

I know and it makes me angry. I think if they are unable to find verifiable shelter they should be stuck back into jail. jmo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:38:35 PM
SO's if they are not on parole can travel freely. They just can not move without registering in the new state they move to.
pink, they are "suppose" to register when they move anywhere.  Many get around this by classifying themselves as "homeless."

I know and it makes me angry. I think if they are unable to find verifiable shelter they should be stuck back into jail. jmo

Pink, I agree.  Unfortunately, some have a verifiable place to go, but once they get there, for whatever reason or turned out.  You betcha, they should have to go back to jail -- but that ain't the way.
It's been a little while back, but the case of the little girl molested and killed -- by a "homeless" SO living in an abandoned shack.  They have since torn the shacks down.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 05:41:56 PM
Lindsey went missing on June 26, 2009.  If there was a decomposition smell it might have been missed do to the Waste Water Flushing that was going on between 6/22 and 7/2

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CAF3B3FA-696A-4B0F-B441-C68ADF931009}

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WasteSystemFlushing.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/WasteWaterFlushingNotice.jpg)


bumping KLASS' post from last night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 05:42:06 PM
re: the water tower

scandi from WS called and talked to the man that runs the water treatment plant:
Quote

He said the water tower is unaccessible to the public. The water is syphoned up into it and then drains out by gravity - just the basics of that. I said you mean they never go in and clean it out? He said yes they do but for that they first drain all the water out and have a way in only they can access.

He then said if anyone had breeched the tower it would have shown up as a change in water pressure and that has not happened. I said that rules that out then, and he agreed she couln't be in the tower itself or they would know about it from their gauges.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3991536&postcount=262
Thank-you.  DD your statement  someone id'd him as dragging her off.  Okay so now I'm really confused, so someone that looks like this Adam character was seen dragging Lindsey off. Why did the person not scream or call the police or something. Was Lindsey screaming when this happened?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 05:47:54 PM
dd - so is the search for SO over 40 and 6ft, greater than about 250 - is that still on or off?

It says he is now 195 lbs.  Still a big man though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sherip on July 27, 2009, 06:05:39 PM
everything on adam is here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-age-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t232.html

feel free to copy it over or use what you need to.  I don't mind.  but also be sure to add that he was tracked down and questioned and he does have a solid alibi to prove he was two states away all through that time period. 

Doubledecker -If Adam was in that town and seen with Lindsey then he knows someone in McCleary correct?  Then he most likely knows the person that took Lindsey...that is why he was posting to her web sites with those cryptic messages.  Was his link to McCleary ever established?  Is there a way to find out if someone he was in prison with before now resides in McCleary or possibly someone from the jail ministry?  Does he have family in that area? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 06:14:01 PM
hey yall, i haven't even caught up but i found something that is odd yesterday...if you got to the dd mis info on the lindsey thread love4ever posted a picture of white house for sale...well if you go to the pic and video part in that picture (of the house) there are some pictures of some guy..at first i thought they were love4ever's but she said they weren't hers...so i was snooping in there and whoever this is has info about Joran? Vandersloots tennis shoes and other things that ???  maybe this person is a sluther as well i really don't know, heck it could mean nothing but on the other hand....anyway, i'm gonna catch up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 06:14:11 PM
dd - so is the search for SO over 40 and 6ft, greater than about 250 - is that still on or off?

It says he is now 195 lbs.  Still a big man though.

This is confusing - but that was why I asked DD.  I am under the impression she is wanting SO who look like Adam and a heavy set man 40-50. 
Here is what she has posted at her forum:
I am trying to research to find a Sex Offender 40-50 Yrs Old / 5'10" + / 250-350 Lbs.

I have no idea if this person is a "Registered" Sex Offender or even if he is a sex offender. I am guessing he probably is.

I also have no idea if a person of this description is actually involved in anything to do with Lindsey but there is a "chance" there is; so I am trying to research anyone with this description who is a sex offender and who might have ties to the McCleary Area.

If I get all of the "possible" matches, I will then go through each one to research if they do in fact have a tie to the McCleary area.

I can not say "why" I am interested in anyone like this, sorry. It is just something I ran across that makes me think this might be a good place to start. Because we have no real information about anything, we just have to go with our best bet. At this time I personally feel this is a good guess.

so if you have anyone which might match this description, please post the info in this thread and discuss it here.

Thanks for all the help!  <<--------- from:  http://truecrime.forums-free.com/sex-offenders-40-50-yrs-old-510-250-350-lbs-t236.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 06:16:52 PM
hey yall, i haven't even caught up but i found something that is odd yesterday...if you got to the dd mis info on the lindsey thread love4ever posted a picture of white house for sale...well if you go to the pic and video part in that picture (of the house) there are some pictures of some guy..at first i thought they were love4ever's but she said they weren't hers...so i was snooping in there and whoever this is has info about Joran? Vandersloots tennis shoes and other things that ???  maybe this person is a sluther as well i really don't know, heck it could mean nothing but on the other hand....anyway, i'm gonna catch up.

Mama - I am not following, can you make this clearer for me?  Do you have a link? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 06:22:15 PM
everything on adam is here
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/adam-lee-campbell-age-31-sex-offender-yakima-wa-t232.html

feel free to copy it over or use what you need to.  I don't mind.  but also be sure to add that he was tracked down and questioned and he does have a solid alibi to prove he was two states away all through that time period. 

Doubledecker -If Adam was in that town and seen with Lindsey then he knows someone in McCleary correct?  Then he most likely knows the person that took Lindsey...that is why he was posting to her web sites with those cryptic messages.  Was his link to McCleary ever established?  Is there a way to find out if someone he was in prison with before now resides in McCleary or possibly someone from the jail ministry?  Does he have family in that area? 

Why would this adam campbell be posting on Lindsey's guestbook? The messages made no sense whatsoever. Had nothing to do with Lindsey or her disappearance.

If LE has talked to him and he has a solid alibi, then I am sure they have talked to him about these postings that people are alledging he posted.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 27, 2009, 06:25:02 PM
Perhaps someone wanted to point him out as a suspect to LE and made the postings using his email address. That is a possibility.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 06:34:15 PM
hey yall, i haven't even caught up but i found something that is odd yesterday...if you got to the dd mis info on the lindsey thread love4ever posted a picture of white house for sale...well if you go to the pic and video part in that picture (of the house) there are some pictures of some guy..at first i thought they were love4ever's but she said they weren't hers...so i was snooping in there and whoever this is has info about Joran? Vandersloots tennis shoes and other things that ???  maybe this person is a sluther as well i really don't know, heck it could mean nothing but on the other hand....anyway, i'm gonna catch up.

Mama - I am not following, can you make this clearer for me?  Do you have a link? 
here in Scared Monkeys under Lindsey BAum there is a miss. findings for DD and others thread...love4ever posted a picture of a white house for sale on a Google post about the house is a google tool bar that you can go to pictures (it is very small a has a red line underneith it) click on it it takes you to pictures of ?? anyway click on the picture of the boat blueprints...it will enlarge that pic and change the pictures underneith...just look at them is all i ask......if you still don't understand meet me in that thread and i'll show you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
Could someone explain who the person was that saw Lindsey being dragged off by someone who apparently looked like Adam? Is this perhaps the woman who saw two men with a girl that looked like Lindsey by the base, and she called the police.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 06:44:37 PM
dd - so is the search for SO over 40 and 6ft, greater than about 250 - is that still on or off?

It says he is now 195 lbs.  Still a big man though.

This is confusing - but that was why I asked DD.  I am under the impression she is wanting SO who look like Adam and a heavy set man 40-50. 
Here is what she has posted at her forum:
I am trying to research to find a Sex Offender 40-50 Yrs Old / 5'10" + / 250-350 Lbs.

I have no idea if this person is a "Registered" Sex Offender or even if he is a sex offender. I am guessing he probably is.

I also have no idea if a person of this description is actually involved in anything to do with Lindsey but there is a "chance" there is; so I am trying to research anyone with this description who is a sex offender and who might have ties to the McCleary Area.

If I get all of the "possible" matches, I will then go through each one to research if they do in fact have a tie to the McCleary area.

I can not say "why" I am interested in anyone like this, sorry. It is just something I ran across that makes me think this might be a good place to start. Because we have no real information about anything, we just have to go with our best bet. At this time I personally feel this is a good guess.

so if you have anyone which might match this description, please post the info in this thread and discuss it here.

Thanks for all the help!  <<--------- from:  http://truecrime.forums-free.com/sex-offenders-40-50-yrs-old-510-250-350-lbs-t236.html

You are right, I posted that before I realized she was looking for 2 men.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 07:29:40 PM
Could someone explain who the person was that saw Lindsey being dragged off by someone who apparently looked like Adam? Is this perhaps the woman who saw two men with a girl that looked like Lindsey by the base, and she called the police.

No Rose - if you read back a couple pages I think DD explains all that.  It appears that Adam has a fool proof alibi and he has been checked out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 07:49:45 PM
ok just got home from the vet and catching up.  so let me try to explain this as I see everyone is very confused. 

gee I just wrote out a detailed explanation of how this all came about then decided I should not post that info.  ugh.  I just don't know how to explain all of this without invovling people or saying things I do not wish people to know, so I am having a real problem here.

so, all I can say is.  someone ID'd adam 100%.  Now I have a few questions of my own but I also know that whatever info I have, which is more than anyone has, is where it should be, and the right people can use that info to investigate this further.  this still is not explaning this ugh.  good grief I can't just blurt it all out here.  I am 100% sure this has been investigated.  I just do not think I should say anything else.  I still have a few questions but I am not asking them, because the questions I have I know any Detective would already have those questions themself and I know they would look into the same things I am wondering.  And so I think I should not post that.  If they are still looking at anything to do with this, then I should just leave it alone, and if they are done looking at it, then I would assume they got answers for the questions I still have.   I personally still have questions about these things, but I am not LE and I think at this point they know what they are doing concerning this, and I don't want to be snicking my nose into their investigation by posting something on the board that they might still be looking at.  Believe me, I would love to tell you all what brought this all about, but I can't. and also I actually did a few things I don't want to divulge either, and without that info, you can't understand what happened. ugh. 

but I will say this.  I believe the person who id'd adam really thought it was him.  So this tells me the person they saw must look like adam.. and this person was not alone, there was someone else, so that would be the other person's description I was looking for.  so from that person who said they saw something, it is said there is a guy about as tall as adam, which adam is 6 feet, so somewhere around there, and he weighs 250-350 pounds.   so that is why I was looking for someone like that. and now we know the other person seen was someone who looks like adam.  so we can try to find someone like this, or we can figure the police are doing it and can find it better than we can, I really don't know. 

now do I KNOW this was not adam?  well like I said, I personally still have some questions about that, but I also know the police would have the same questions, so I will let them figure that out. 

gee I hope this kind of explains this.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 07:56:28 PM
okay one more thing, I am told that adam has a solid alibi and proof of where he was two states away at the time of lindsey's disappearance and before that and has been where he is now quite a bit before lindsey went missing. 

but I do have a question about where he was after that.  that is my question to myself.  but as I stated in above email, any detective would ask that same question.  so I assume they are following up on that or they already know and I do not feel it is my place to ask them?  LOL  so I will just figure they are doing what they are suppose to be doing concerning adam. 

why he ever in life decided to post on her guestbook is beyond me, and I bet he is wondering that himself about now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
and yes, it definitely was adam doing those posts.  that I know for sure


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 08:00:42 PM
ok just got home from the vet and catching up.  so let me try to explain this as I see everyone is very confused. 

gee I just wrote out a detailed explanation of how this all came about then decided I should not post that info.  ugh.  I just don't know how to explain all of this without invovling people or saying things I do not wish people to know, so I am having a real problem here.

so, all I can say is.  someone ID'd adam 100%.  Now I have a few questions of my own but I also know that whatever info I have, which is more than anyone has, is where it should be, and the right people can use that info to investigate this further.  this still is not explaning this ugh.  good grief I can't just blurt it all out here.  I am 100% sure this has been investigated.  I just do not think I should say anything else.  I still have a few questions but I am not asking them, because the questions I have I know any Detective would already have those questions themself and I know they would look into the same things I am wondering.  And so I think I should not post that.  If they are still looking at anything to do with this, then I should just leave it alone, and if they are done looking at it, then I would assume they got answers for the questions I still have.   I personally still have questions about these things, but I am not LE and I think at this point they know what they are doing concerning this, and I don't want to be snicking my nose into their investigation by posting something on the board that they might still be looking at.  Believe me, I would love to tell you all what brought this all about, but I can't. and also I actually did a few things I don't want to divulge either, and without that info, you can't understand what happened. ugh. 

but I will say this.  I believe the person who id'd adam really thought it was him.  So this tells me the person they saw must look like adam.. and this person was not alone, there was someone else, so that would be the other person's description I was looking for.  so from that person who said they saw something, it is said there is a guy about as tall as adam, which adam is 6 feet, so somewhere around there, and he weighs 250-350 pounds.   so that is why I was looking for someone like that. and now we know the other person seen was someone who looks like adam.  so we can try to find someone like this, or we can figure the police are doing it and can find it better than we can, I really don't know. 

now do I KNOW this was not adam?  well like I said, I personally still have some questions about that, but I also know the police would have the same questions, so I will let them figure that out. 

gee I hope this kind of explains this.   

DD,
Is it possible if you can tell us if Adam was in California during this time? I know someone on W.S. linked the postings back to CA.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:00:48 PM
and yes, it definitely was adam doing those posts.  that I know for sure
Wow, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:01:24 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:04:07 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

hmmm NOW isn't that something!!! well I wonder where they got that info from. gee, would they run all over the west coast looking for other people if they knew it was a police officer?  unless they JUST found out.  boy this is getting unreal


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:06:00 PM
dang, did they "follow the STATE LAW"?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:06:54 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:07:29 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.
That is for sure  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:09:26 PM
ok just got home from the vet and catching up.  so let me try to explain this as I see everyone is very confused. 

gee I just wrote out a detailed explanation of how this all came about then decided I should not post that info.  ugh.  I just don't know how to explain all of this without invovling people or saying things I do not wish people to know, so I am having a real problem here.

so, all I can say is.  someone ID'd adam 100%.  Now I have a few questions of my own but I also know that whatever info I have, which is more than anyone has, is where it should be, and the right people can use that info to investigate this further.  this still is not explaning this ugh.  good grief I can't just blurt it all out here.  I am 100% sure this has been investigated.  I just do not think I should say anything else.  I still have a few questions but I am not asking them, because the questions I have I know any Detective would already have those questions themself and I know they would look into the same things I am wondering.  And so I think I should not post that.  If they are still looking at anything to do with this, then I should just leave it alone, and if they are done looking at it, then I would assume they got answers for the questions I still have.   I personally still have questions about these things, but I am not LE and I think at this point they know what they are doing concerning this, and I don't want to be snicking my nose into their investigation by posting something on the board that they might still be looking at.  Believe me, I would love to tell you all what brought this all about, but I can't. and also I actually did a few things I don't want to divulge either, and without that info, you can't understand what happened. ugh. 

but I will say this.  I believe the person who id'd adam really thought it was him.  So this tells me the person they saw must look like adam.. and this person was not alone, there was someone else, so that would be the other person's description I was looking for.  so from that person who said they saw something, it is said there is a guy about as tall as adam, which adam is 6 feet, so somewhere around there, and he weighs 250-350 pounds.   so that is why I was looking for someone like that. and now we know the other person seen was someone who looks like adam.  so we can try to find someone like this, or we can figure the police are doing it and can find it better than we can, I really don't know. 

now do I KNOW this was not adam?  well like I said, I personally still have some questions about that, but I also know the police would have the same questions, so I will let them figure that out. 

gee I hope this kind of explains this.   

DD,
Is it possible if you can tell us if Adam was in California during this time? I know someone on W.S. linked the postings back to CA.

I don't think I better post where adam is at this time, what if he is some kind of witness?  I have no reason to think he is, but "what if"... we really don't know what he was trying to tell someone with those posts... he might have known something for all we know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:09:43 PM
dang, did they "follow the STATE LAW"?

What does that mean?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:10:26 PM
dang, did they "follow the STATE LAW"?

What does that mean?
I was wondering also  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:12:14 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.

this wouldn't be all too shocking to me, and could explain the 'county employee' witness.. and would explain why lindsey didn't scream right away, as we are taught to respect police officers and not fear them...  did your husband hear this from a reliable source? if you cant say i totally understand, i guess we will all be finding out soon enough


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 27, 2009, 08:14:48 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

hmmm NOW isn't that something!!! well I wonder where they got that info from. gee, would they run all over the west coast looking for other people if they knew it was a police officer?  unless they JUST found out.  boy this is getting unreal

I can't find anything, I am watching the news at work, when I should be headed home, but all they are talking about is the weather. So I have no idea if this is accurate or not. I'm sorry to be spreading rumors if it is not true.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 08:14:58 PM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.

WOW  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:15:25 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.

No, actually it wasn't that. I was wondering if they put you off with their attitude. I hope not. Sometimes, talking to the LE can be unnerving especially if they cop an attitude, and I wondered if that happened. I am not criticizing you in any way. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:15:49 PM
dang, did they "follow the STATE LAW"?

What does that mean?

that it just my cryptic mind working overtime, sorry.  Really means nothing.  I just blurted out my thoughts before I thought


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 08:16:39 PM
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Top 10 most wanted sex offender arrested
Gladwin man faces extradition to Michigan
By Daily News staff
Published: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:42 PM EDT
A 30-year-old man named on the state’s Top 10 most wanted sex offenders website has been arrested in Gig Harbor, Wash., Michigan State Police report.

Jason Alan Foutch  of Gladwin was wanted by authorities, who say he fled Gladwin when officials began an investigation which revealed he had violated his parole and was active on multiple Internet pornography sites. Involved in the cooperative investigation were troopers from the state police post in Gladwin, the state police Third District Fugitive Team and Technical Services Unit, U.S. Marshals and authorities in Washington.Foutch is lodged in Washington facing charges, as well as pending extradition to Michigan to face charges. U.S. Marshals are reviewing evidence which may allow him to be charged federally under the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act.

The top 10 most wanted sex offenders website is www.michigan.gov/absconders.www.michigan.gov/absconders
 

http://ourmidland.com/articles/2009/07/27/local_news/doc4a6e1132586a8590353566.txt


This guy kind of looks like Adam!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 08:17:35 PM
Next time I will preview before I post.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:22:30 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.

No, actually it wasn't that. I was wondering if they put you off with their attitude. I hope not. Sometimes, talking to the LE can be unnerving especially if they cop an attitude, and I wondered if that happened. I am not criticizing you in any way. 

oh, no, not at all, They were very very very nice and helpful.  they asked for everything I had, I sent it, and then when I got more info and sent it they contacted me and told me adam had been interview etc and he was not around when lindsey disappeared.  etc.  they were VERY NICE.  And they paid attention to the info, and I am sure they actually did what they were suppose to do. 

I just don't talk to the police, so I said what I had to say and left it at that.  Anything I was told was offered by them, I did not ask.  And I feel like I should just leave it at that, as if they want anything else from me concerning any of this they know who I am, have my email and a phone number they can call.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:24:11 PM
DD thanks for all your hard work  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 08:25:47 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:28:45 PM
::MonkeyConfused::
I second that  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:31:49 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.

No, actually it wasn't that. I was wondering if they put you off with their attitude. I hope not. Sometimes, talking to the LE can be unnerving especially if they cop an attitude, and I wondered if that happened. I am not criticizing you in any way. 

oh, no, not at all, They were very very very nice and helpful.  they asked for everything I had, I sent it, and then when I got more info and sent it they contacted me and told me adam had been interview etc and he was not around when lindsey disappeared.  etc.  they were VERY NICE.  And they paid attention to the info, and I am sure they actually did what they were suppose to do. 

I just don't talk to the police, so I said what I had to say and left it at that.  Anything I was told was offered by them, I did not ask.  And I feel like I should just leave it at that, as if they want anything else from me concerning any of this they know who I am, have my email and a phone number they can call.

I will ask you one more question and you do not have to answer. Did you contact someone other that the McCleary PD or the Grays Harbor SO? Like I said, you do not have to answer if you don't feel you can.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:31:51 PM
DD thanks for all your hard work  ::MonkeyCool::

hey I had a lot of help from all of you guys.  I can't remember who said what but there were a couple of bits and pieces some of you posted about other things that made me go hmmmm, so I looked. 

see it is all the bits and pieces, even if it is not the exact thing you find, it just might be someone saying something that triggers something that makes you think, hmm I wonder this or that... so you look... and madi did a LOT too. 

the funniest thing about all of this though, there actually was something humorous was I wrote the detective off as some nut wanting info from me LOL because he used someone elses email.  now that was pretty funny, so for two days I did not send the info because I thought it was someone trying to get info out of me.  LOL

but yah, "it takes a whole board"... really it does.  I don't do this all by myself.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:33:58 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.

No, actually it wasn't that. I was wondering if they put you off with their attitude. I hope not. Sometimes, talking to the LE can be unnerving especially if they cop an attitude, and I wondered if that happened. I am not criticizing you in any way. 

oh, no, not at all, They were very very very nice and helpful.  they asked for everything I had, I sent it, and then when I got more info and sent it they contacted me and told me adam had been interview etc and he was not around when lindsey disappeared.  etc.  they were VERY NICE.  And they paid attention to the info, and I am sure they actually did what they were suppose to do. 

I just don't talk to the police, so I said what I had to say and left it at that.  Anything I was told was offered by them, I did not ask.  And I feel like I should just leave it at that, as if they want anything else from me concerning any of this they know who I am, have my email and a phone number they can call.

I will ask you one more question and you do not have to answer. Did you contact someone other that the McCleary PD or the Grays Harbor SO? Like I said, you do not have to answer if you don't feel you can.

I contacted the sheriff office and communicated with several different people. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:35:43 PM
well crap, I am just going to be quiet.  this case is certainly a mind-boggler.

I am wondering why you felt you couldn't ask the detectives any questions?

well I just feel what they are doing is none of my business.  So I accept what they did tell me, and left it at that.  I guess I just do not like talking to police and this one time I went ahead and talked to them because I had info no one else had and I could not pass it on to anyone to give to them because it was too complicated and I did it for Lindsey, or I would have never contacted them in the first place.  I just gather info and let others pass it on.  That might seem odd to some people, but it is just the way I am.

No, actually it wasn't that. I was wondering if they put you off with their attitude. I hope not. Sometimes, talking to the LE can be unnerving especially if they cop an attitude, and I wondered if that happened. I am not criticizing you in any way. 

oh, no, not at all, They were very very very nice and helpful.  they asked for everything I had, I sent it, and then when I got more info and sent it they contacted me and told me adam had been interview etc and he was not around when lindsey disappeared.  etc.  they were VERY NICE.  And they paid attention to the info, and I am sure they actually did what they were suppose to do. 

I just don't talk to the police, so I said what I had to say and left it at that.  Anything I was told was offered by them, I did not ask.  And I feel like I should just leave it at that, as if they want anything else from me concerning any of this they know who I am, have my email and a phone number they can call.

I will ask you one more question and you do not have to answer. Did you contact someone other that the McCleary PD or the Grays Harbor SO? Like I said, you do not have to answer if you don't feel you can.

I contacted the sheriff office and communicated with several different people. 

Thank you. You do a really good job gathering information and putting it all together from so many posts.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 27, 2009, 08:36:42 PM
I suppose the word of there being a po arrested was rumor because I haven't seen or heard anything. But boy would that make sense if it were true.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 08:37:15 PM
Hi DD,  I wanted to thank you for your devoted and hard work on Lindsey's case.

Maybe you could use initials for people so as to not demean them personally, where they have not been publically linked to the case.  It works pretty slick as it gives a representation for say a Person 'A' by initials, then Person 'B', and so on.  To put the case together at this point we don't need to know their names anyway IMO.

xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
so, I wonder what is up with the police officer going to be arrested. hmmm.  would not supprise me either, it's these weird cases you always have to wonder about.  but I wish they would give us the news.  I would really like to be done researching this case.  It's driving me bonkers. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:37:31 PM
Does anyone know right off who the State's Attorney is that covers the district for McCleary?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:38:12 PM
I suppose the word of there being a po arrested was rumor because I haven't seen or heard anything. But boy would that make sense if it were true.
It would, but at the same time very disturbing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 08:40:58 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 27, 2009, 08:46:24 PM
Given what we KNOW to be true, a person in a position of authority makes scary sense.  It explains a lot. I actually have a sick feeling right now. Even if it turns out to be a false alarm, it puts a new spin on this case-and a new direction to look.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 08:49:00 PM
Given what we KNOW to be true, a person in a position of authority makes scary sense.  It explains a lot. I actually have a sick feeling right now. Even if it turns out to be a false alarm, it puts a new spin on this case-and a new direction to look.

And it could explain why the locals are afraid to come forward and seem apathetic.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:50:00 PM
Given what we KNOW to be true, a person in a position of authority makes scary sense.  It explains a lot. I actually have a sick feeling right now. Even if it turns out to be a false alarm, it puts a new spin on this case-and a new direction to look.

And it could explain why the locals are afraid to come forward and seem apathetic.   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Yes it would  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 08:55:17 PM
Hi,  I did call the City of McCleary today and talked to the Building Dept.  A nice gentleman gave me this info about Sand Creek that cuts across McCleary from NE to the SW and the culverts that encompass most of it:

*  There are two culverts that run side by side thru the town, one 4' pipe, the other 5'/

*  The whole culvert system was searched right after she went missing and nothing was found that related to Lindsey at all.

*  There are only 4 places in town where the creek itself is exposed.  Sam's Canal behind the police station, 9th St, the Treatment Plant where there is very little water and the area of the creek before it dumps into Sand Creek Lake/Pond.

I also asked about the Water Tower in McCleary in the SE section of town.  He basically said if anything had been done to breech the water tower they would have known about it as the water pressure would change.  He said they know it was not breeched as nothing has shown up on the guages. 





































































































































Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
Thank-you Scandi


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 08:59:39 PM
Oopsala!  Sorry about that long blank space on that previous post.  I dropped my pop which splashed on my keyboard, I panicked and somehow screwed up the post.

Maybe a Mod can fix it.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 27, 2009, 09:01:01 PM
Oopsala!  Sorry about that long blank space on that previous post.  I dropped my pop which splashed on my keyboard, I panicked and somehow screwed up the post.

Maybe a Mod can fix it.  xox
  ::MonkeyEek::  I wondered what happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 09:03:14 PM
Oopsala!  Sorry about that long blank space on that previous post.  I dropped my pop which splashed on my keyboard, I panicked and somehow screwed up the post.

Maybe a Mod can fix it.  xox

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I did that once myself. Never did figure out what I did.

Did you see the post about flushing the water system posted by KLAAS last night??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 09:03:15 PM
Oopsala!  Sorry about that long blank space on that previous post.  I dropped my pop which splashed on my keyboard, I panicked and somehow screwed up the post.

Maybe a Mod can fix it.  xox
  ::MonkeyEek::  I wondered what happened.
me too!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:04:07 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 09:07:29 PM
Thank-you Scandi

You're welcome  << wavy guy >>   The possibility of a LE officer being involved is interesting,  Did I read something here last night about a SO having applied for a position with the MPD?  Scary!

Last night I watched the new Law and Order and it turns out the Coroner was the perp.   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 09:08:28 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

If you google search his name, a lot of news articles come up as he was just arrested. I noticed the last name is the same as a former mayor in washington, maybe that is who turned him in if he came to visit from Michigan....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 09:09:17 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

I couldn't get it either.  If you find it, please post a new link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 09:10:24 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 09:10:39 PM
Oopsala!  Sorry about that long blank space on that previous post.  I dropped my pop which splashed on my keyboard, I panicked and somehow screwed up the post.

Maybe a Mod can fix it.  xox
  ::MonkeyEek::  I wondered what happened.

I am mortified I didn't catch that~  It is 101 degrees here today and my brain is frizzle frazzled  lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:12:33 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 09:14:17 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


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I don't know. I saw numerous pictures. Some with his hair pulled back or cut short.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 09:21:25 PM


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I did that once myself. Never did figure out what I did.

Did you see the post about flushing the water system posted by KLAAS last night??
[/quote]

Hi MonkeyDevil,  I did see that and didn't realize it was from Klaas. 

I knew that the water would find the lowest place to drain into so would disappear quickly into the drain or culvert system in the town.  And I don't know the timing of any hydrants tapped in relationship to the time she disappeared.

It did make me wonder if she could have been dropped by the bridge at Sam's Canal and had drifted into the lengthy culvert system McCleary has.  Turns out it didn't happen so was a non-issue after all.

I also asked him is the Sand Creek Lake/Pond had been searched and he said it wasn't very deep.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:23:10 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:28:41 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 09:30:38 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

Do you think he could have been confused for ALC if it was dark outside?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:33:27 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

Do you think he could have been confused for ALC if it was dark outside?

it wasn't dark outside when they were seen, however, someone could mistake them I think.  when you don't have them side by side and you just see someone moving around, yes, I think you might mistake them, if you are shown a pic of adam but your saw foutch.  however I think foutch has a ponytail, or is his hair cut short?  I think the person would have noticed a pony tail


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

Do you think he could have been confused for ALC if it was dark outside?

yes, personally i do, maybe even if it wasnt totally dark outside


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 09:34:59 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

Do you think he could have been confused for ALC if it was dark outside?

Yes and we don't know what the hair for either one was like.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
DD,  I just caught the reference  FOLLOW THE LAW.   Campbells posting...very interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

Do you think he could have been confused for ALC if it was dark outside?

it wasn't dark outside when they were seen, however, someone could mistake them I think.  when you don't have them side by side and you just see someone moving around, yes, I think you might mistake them, if you are shown a pic of adam but your saw foutch.  however I think foutch has a ponytail, or is his hair cut short?  I think the person would have noticed a pony tail


Very true, a pony tail is noticeable. However, if he was on the run he may have cut it to be less noticeable.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
this photo with his hair pulled back/or short is
Image Date: 3/21/2006 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 09:36:38 PM


 ::MonkeyDevil:: I did that once myself. Never did figure out what I did.

Did you see the post about flushing the water system posted by KLAAS last night??

Hi MonkeyDevil,  I did see that and didn't realize it was from Klaas. 

I knew that the water would find the lowest place to drain into so would disappear quickly into the drain or culvert system in the town.  And I don't know the timing of any hydrants tapped in relationship to the time she disappeared.

It did make me wonder if she could have been dropped by the bridge at Sam's Canal and had drifted into the lengthy culvert system McCleary has.  Turns out it didn't happen so was a non-issue after all.

I also asked him is the Sand Creek Lake/Pond had been searched and he said it wasn't very deep.
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I was wondering that myself as I remember seeing divers at one point. I wonder exactly when they checked the culverts? They can usually look at them with a camera on a snake. I am wondering how sophistocated their equiptment was, and how well they really checked them and when.  I wonder what Sand Creek Lake/Pond not being very deep means?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 09:37:19 PM
DD,  I just caught the reference  FOLLOW THE LAW.   Campbells posting...very interesting.

yes you got it ... toyota ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 09:48:36 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 09:57:27 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

Who was arrested? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 27, 2009, 09:57:55 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

who are you referring to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 09:59:08 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

Who was arrested? 

Gig Harbor's police department is not much larger than McCleary's.   My first husband lives there.  Beautiful spot.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

Who was arrested? 

Where did you read this please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:03:20 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 

is there a david or davin allen??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:05:39 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 

is there a david or davin allen??

I am sure there is somewhere, but what are you asking? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 27, 2009, 10:06:23 PM


I was wondering that myself as I remember seeing divers at one point. I wonder exactly when they checked the culverts? They can usually look at them with a camera on a snake. I am wondering how sophistocated their equiptment was, and how well they really checked them and when.  I wonder what Sand Creek Lake/Pond not being very deep means?

Hi Fanny Mae,  He made it sound to me like the culvert system was totally checked out.  He seemed so knowledgeable, bang bang out of the blue giving me the dimention of the pipe and rattling off where the creek is open and exposed.  I didn't ask the method used for the searches. 

When I asked about the little Sand Creek lake/pond I think he was telling me it wasn't deep enough to worry about.  I had used the word 'searched', and from the way I interpreted what he said is if there was something like a body there it would be able to be seen by air. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
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unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 10:08:28 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

Who was arrested? 

Gig Harbor's police department is not much larger than McCleary's.   My first husband lives there.  Beautiful spot.

How far is Gig Harbor from there?  Here is another article:  http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/07/gladwin_sex_offender_absconder.html#more


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:08:31 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 

is there a david or davin allen??

I am sure there is somewhere, but what are you asking? 
i don't know?  the name just sounded like i've heard it before?? just sounded like a better name?? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 27, 2009, 10:09:24 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

who are you referring to?

Jason Allen Foutch, but not in connection with Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:09:42 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 10:11:10 PM
from a distance, in the dark, you betcha!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:12:02 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

who are you referring to?

Jason Allen Foutch, but not in connection with Lindsey.

thanks..is he a SO?  I am very confused!   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 27, 2009, 10:12:30 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 

In my opinion, if I had never seen either of these guys before, and then saw one or the other under the circumstances described by DD and that other poster, and was then shown these pictures, I could easily mistake one for the other. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:13:57 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 

is there a david or davin allen??

I am sure there is somewhere, but what are you asking? 
i don't know?  the name just sounded like i've heard it before?? just sounded like a better name?? ::MonkeyConfused::

This makes no sense.  Why post the same picutres with no connection?  just a name you heard from where? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 27, 2009, 10:14:38 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

who are you referring to?

Jason Allen Foutch, but not in connection with Lindsey.

thanks..is he a SO?  I am very confused!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Look at page 82 - that is where this started.  He is a SO and was wanted for kidnapping in MI.  He was arrested after Lindsey went missing in a town it appears is about an hour from there.  The question is could he be mistaken for Adam.  If hair cut, etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:15:04 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 

In my opinion, if I had never seen either of these guys before, and then saw one or the other under the circumstances described by DD and that other poster, and was then shown these pictures, I could easily mistake one for the other. 


I could as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

who are you referring to?

Jason Allen Foutch, but not in connection with Lindsey.

thanks..is he a SO?  I am very confused!   ::MonkeyConfused::

Look at page 82 - that is where this started.  He is a SO and was wanted for kidnapping in MI.  He was arrested after Lindsey went missing in a town it appears is about an hour from there.  The question is could he be mistaken for Adam.  If hair cut, etc.

OK,  got it!  thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 27, 2009, 10:16:39 PM
mamacrazy - nobody is suggesting it is the same guy, they are asking if there is a resemblance, if one could be confused as the other.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:18:12 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 
well, from my scope no...jmho..lets look at the similarities they both have a mustache , they both have thin lips and they both have an arch in their left eyebrow...but jmo that is compering pictures side by side....if you were (JMO) to look at either one quickly well???..i guess in the dark i could think its the same person, on the other hand it could be anyone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:21:01 PM
DD,
Can you look at Jason Alan Foutch. I just posted an artile about his arrest in Washington. He is 6 feet, 185lbs and will be 31 in November. His charges include kidnapping and he was on the ten most wanted. He looks like Adam....

I could not get the link to work, let me go look in michigan sex offenders for his pic

hmm I must have a different photo

Jason Alan Foutch  *** ABSCONDER ***       
 
Physical Characteristics 
Gender: Male  Eyes: Blue
Race: White Hair: Blonde
DOB: 11/18/1978 Height: 6' 00 
Age: 30 Weight: 185 lbs


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam1.jpg)
 

is there a david or davin allen??

I am sure there is somewhere, but what are you asking? 
i don't know?  the name just sounded like i've heard it before?? just sounded like a better name?? ::MonkeyConfused::

This makes no sense.  Why post the same picutres with no connection?  just a name you heard from where? 
i don't recall posting the pictures...i asked a question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 10:22:42 PM
Mama, Rather than posting a reply, you quoted a quote that had the pictures on it.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

LOL it is not suppose to "be the same guy"  someone asked if they looked alike, so I put them together.  the question someone asked is:  could someone mistakenly ID'd adam if it was  ::MonkeyCool:: this guy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:30:34 PM
Mama, Rather than posting a reply, you quoted a quote that had the pictures on it.   
sorry... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:36:15 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

LOL it is not suppose to "be the same guy"  someone asked if they looked alike, so I put them together.  the question someone asked is:  could someone mistakenly ID'd adam if it was  ::MonkeyCool:: this guy
ok, so sometimes i'm slow on the uptake...of course anyone could mistake one for the other because in a traumatic situation you aren't thinking clearly anyway....i'm sure anyone could mistake one for the other in the dark.  in a trauma situation its fight of flight....your concern is not in the details.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 10:43:43 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

or does adam look more like this one NOW?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 10:46:00 PM
I guess the question is, can the lady really ID who she really saw.  That might be a problem


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 10:46:04 PM
Sorry to bring his name into the case and disappear. I was just researching people in Washington and this guy (Jason Alan Foutch) came up. He was in the TOP 10 MOST WANTED sex offender. He was arrest in Gig Harbor, Washington. He had priors for kidnapping (under 18). I believe his height and weight is close to Adam Lee Campbell. I am searching to see if he was in McCleary. I just wanted to through his name out there because I have a weird feeling in mu gut.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 10:48:01 PM
Sorry to bring his name into the case and disappear. I was just researching people in Washington and this guy (Jason Alan Foutch) came up. He was in the TOP 10 MOST WANTED sex offender. He was arrest in Gig Harbor, Washington. He had priors for kidnapping (under 18). I believe his height and weight is close to Adam Lee Campbell. I am searching to see if he was in McCleary. I just wanted to through his name out there because I have a weird feeling in mu gut.
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I personally think you should toss your ideas out here.  it helps.  He MIGHT have ties to McCleary.  I'll try to help you check


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 10:49:26 PM
Sorry for the many typos. I am using a jack hammer to break up cement and I just took a break to check in but I think my brain is all shaken up from the jack hammer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 10:54:22 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

or does adam look more like this one NOW?

left pic guy nose is the same as mine piggy noes right guy has roman nose..don't get me wrong they both look mad as hell but other than the blond evil look ??? unless he got on some steroids  or gained a bunch of weight???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 10:55:47 PM
LLL, could you bring the first part of that news article about Foutch and open it here.  I can't get it to copy. TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 11:01:23 PM
Monday, July 27, 2009     
 
Local News
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Top 10 most wanted sex offender arrested
Gladwin man faces extradition to Michigan
By Daily News staff
Published: Monday, July 27, 2009 4:42 PM EDT
A 30-year-old man named on the state’s Top 10 most wanted sex offenders website has been arrested in Gig Harbor, Wash., Michigan State Police report.

Jason Alan Foutch  of Gladwin was wanted by authorities, who say he fled Gladwin when officials began an investigation which revealed he had violated his parole and was active on multiple Internet pornography sites. Involved in the cooperative investigation were troopers from the state police post in Gladwin, the state police Third District Fugitive Team and Technical Services Unit, U.S. Marshals and authorities in Washington.Foutch is lodged in Washington facing charges, as well as pending extradition to Michigan to face charges. U.S. Marshals are reviewing evidence which may allow him to be charged federally under the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act.

The top 10 most wanted sex offenders website is www.michigan.gov/absconders.www.michigan.gov/absconders
 

http://ourmidland.com/articles/2009/07/27/local_news/doc4a6e1132586a8590353566.txt


This guy kind of looks like Adam!!!


This was the whole article. But here is another one.


GLADWIN, Mich. -- Michigan State police are searching for a convicted sex offender they said violated parole.

Jason Alan Foutch’s parole agent and police did a home call last week after receiving a tip that he was corresponding with and underage child through the Internet. When officials arrived at his Gladwin home they said they found several computers with pornographic materials, including child porn and incest videos.

Foutch was convicted of kidnapping in 1997 and was charged with two counts of failing to register as a sex offender.

Police said he is driving a 1995 four-door Mazda, possibly brownish or gray in color


cited http://www.wnem.com/news/16952647/detail.html




Gladwin sex offender, absconder tracked to Puget Sound area, awaiting extradition
by LaNia Coleman | The Bay City Times
Monday July 27, 2009, 4:33 PM
GLADWIN -- State police say they've crossed a third absconder off the Most Wanted Sex Offenders list after tracking a former Gladwin man to Washington state.

Jason A. Foutch remains jailed in Tacoma as he awaits extradition to Michigan, said state police Detective Sgt. David Rivard of the Gladwin Post.

Foutch, 30, could face additional charges in Washington, Rivard said.

State police from the Gladwin Post, U.S. Marshals and police in Washington coordinated efforts to locate Foutch on Thursday in Gig Harbor, a community of about 6,400 situated on Puget Sound about 13 miles northwest of Tacoma.

Foutch was paroled in April 2008 after serving nearly 11 years of a 4- to 20-year sentence for kidnapping a victim younger than 18, state Department of Corrections records show.

He pleaded guilty to the charge that stemmed from a Jan. 17, 1996, incident in Gladwin County, according to state records.

citedhttp://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/07/gladwin_sex_offender_absconder.html#more



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 11:03:28 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

or does adam look more like this one NOW?

left pic guy nose is the same as mine piggy noes right guy has roman nose..don't get me wrong they both look mad as hell but other than the blond evil look ??? unless he got on some steroids  or gained a bunch of weight???
but, they could be related.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 27, 2009, 11:04:27 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumfoutchadam3.jpg)

or does adam look more like this one NOW?

left pic guy nose is the same as mine piggy noes right guy has roman nose..don't get me wrong they both look mad as hell but other than the blond evil look ??? unless he got on some steroids  or gained a bunch of weight???
but, they could be related.
who knows i'm hittin the hay.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 11:09:41 PM
Thanks LLL, he was paroled after serving 11 years. hmmmm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 11:16:14 PM
I don't know if this is okay to poster but I wanna know if he is related to the ex mayor of Olympia. They have the same last name and Olympia is just over the bridge from were he was arrested. I am trying to see if "white house" could mean political as in related to the mayor. Also this mayor lived in Sunnyvale, CA. Which I heard at W.S. is where the weird posts on Lindsey's guestbook were from.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 11:18:03 PM
I read that he was arrested or being held at either Tacoma or Gig Harbor. Those are only an about an hour from McCleary!

Who was arrested? 

Gig Harbor's police department is not much larger than McCleary's.   My first husband lives there.  Beautiful spot.

How far is Gig Harbor from there?  Here is another article:  http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2009/07/gladwin_sex_offender_absconder.html#more

Sorry,  I needed to give myself a time out.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is about 1 hour distance between Gig Harbor and McCleary...I am guessing about 60 miles.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 11:19:34 PM
I don't know if this is okay to poster but I wanna know if he is related to the ex mayor of Olympia. They have the same last name and Olympia is just over the bridge from were he was arrested. I am trying to see if "white house" could mean political as in related to the mayor. Also this mayor lived in Sunnyvale, CA. Which I heard at W.S. is where the weird posts on Lindsey's guestbook were from.

Very interesting. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 27, 2009, 11:25:34 PM
I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!

BUMPED!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:26:27 PM
I don't know if this is okay to poster but I wanna know if he is related to the ex mayor of Olympia. They have the same last name and Olympia is just over the bridge from were he was arrested. I am trying to see if "white house" could mean political as in related to the mayor. Also this mayor lived in Sunnyvale, CA. Which I heard at W.S. is where the weird posts on Lindsey's guestbook were from.

adam was not posting from sunnyvale, ca.  that is where it routed through.  It is an easy mistake to make though


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 27, 2009, 11:29:35 PM
I don't know if this is okay to poster but I wanna know if he is related to the ex mayor of Olympia. They have the same last name and Olympia is just over the bridge from were he was arrested. I am trying to see if "white house" could mean political as in related to the mayor. Also this mayor lived in Sunnyvale, CA. Which I heard at W.S. is where the weird posts on Lindsey's guestbook were from.

adam was not posting from sunnyvale, ca.  that is where it routed through.  It is an easy mistake to make though


DARN.... that would have been an interesting connection.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 11:41:24 PM
AZSunny quote: "It's about an hour" . . . the latest Klaas newsletter has that reference, about abductors can have the victims so far away in an hour.  What a horrid thing to think about -- but anything seems possible now.  Justice for all the silent victims and prayers for Lindsey's safe return home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 27, 2009, 11:49:47 PM
this case is screwy, that is about all I know, and it gets more weird by the minute.  I stick with this for Lindsey, but to tell you the truth, I think I would be better off just to leave this case alone ugh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 27, 2009, 11:51:11 PM
Body washes ashore at Seattle park

SEATTLE -- A person was found dead in Lake Washington on Monday evening.

Police said the body washed ashore at Lake Cottage Park off of Rainier Avenue South shortly after 6 p.m.

Investigators believe the person drowned, and said the circumstances do not appear to be suspicious.

The person has not been identified.

The investigation is ongoing.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51827447.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 12:00:48 AM
this case is screwy, that is about all I know, and it gets more weird by the minute.  I stick with this for Lindsey, but to tell you the truth, I think I would be better off just to leave this case alone ugh. 

dd, I understand where you are coming from.  You do offer such good insight.  I think I need to get back to what I'm fairly good at, sorting.  Blessings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:04:45 AM
so I guess nothing happened about the cop who was suppose to be arrested? gee, I wonder where that info orginated?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 12:07:09 AM
McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb

Sergeant John Graham

Officer Randy Bunch

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
bumped


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:12:31 AM
I'm going to sleep, I will think about all of this tomorrow 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Live*Learn*Love on July 28, 2009, 12:13:39 AM
DD,
Do you know Why Madi hasn't returned online?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:14:07 AM
DD,
Do you know Why Madi hasn't returned online?

no


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Scandi on July 28, 2009, 01:18:43 AM
McCleary Police Officers
Chief George Crumb

Sergeant John Graham

Officer Randy Bunch

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=%7BC0AEB3EF-38D4-4F39-A8B6-9E0AD97613D0%7D


Thanks Northern Rose,  I see there is a lateral police officer's job opening in McCleary.  I wonder what that is, like an alternate officer?


Does anyone know when the disciplinary hearing is against someone from the ORV Park in McCleary?  I think it is this week.  Ta


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 02:19:54 AM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
bumped
Concerned, did you ever hear anything else?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:41:28 AM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
bumped

That would be wow to me if it is true, because this is something I pondered and felt.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:44:24 AM
Does anyone know why KaraK quit posting?

apparently it was because people were digging up info on her family that she wasn't comfortable being out in the open b/c her kids and their friends started reading these blogs

LE probably told her to stop


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 02:44:43 AM
I can't confirm this yet, but my husband has heard from someone that on the news at 5, they will announce arresting a police officer in the disappearance of Lindsey. I am looking for confirmation now, but thought someone else may know more.
bumped
Concerned, did you ever hear anything else?

Sorry, I have been out tonight, too hot inside! I have not heard anything else. I am so sorry to have started a rumor, or at least an unsubstantiated story. Maybe it will still happen, I don't know. But I do apologize for not having confirmation before posting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:04:05 AM
This is when I felt something funny...

I swear in the beginning either McCleary chief of police or Elma, or the sheriff was a "Scott"...their last name. Does anyone remember that or is just me? Cause now I don't find them. now anywhere
.

Again...

Maybe we should research LE


And again..lol...

I think they should investigate everyone everywhere even the town's LE..EVERYONE!

Again...

It is very sad..... so very sad and it gets my blood boiling because of it...Through research this community and surrounding communities are flooded with ex cons, SO's etc.. I think there is major drug use going on and even when a child is missing it seems as if the community only cares about themselves getting in trouble for their wrongs so they stay away...Jus sayin, I don't know, but to be honest i would be leery of living there or in any of the surrounding areas. ::MonkeyNoNo::

Now I am really upset..lol


We are supposed to trust the LE right? Are we not to teach are kids that as well? I am jus sayin...this is so upsetting and even way over here in the midwest I feel a bad moral within the community as a whole and surrounding areas of McCleary WA. Authority figures or not it is sad to see the uncontrollable, discern for behaviors or SO's living in rural communities. Also in the link i posted in the MISC research thread, the forum full of surrounding community individuals have unbelievable language, the condoned violence in the community offers me no reason to believe any of these areas are safe, LE or NOT!


And maybe just a feeling of uncertainty because I would like to find Lindsey like all of us do and I find my mind wanders trying to figure it all out...
I would also like to make note that I don't believe this to be true of all community residences, but I have seen no signs in which I feel that the community, as a whole, is supportive of finding Lindsey. There are a chosen few (and I mean that literally) that do. And just making note: Do we truly know who to trust or listen too? No, we do not, it is a sad sad world!!! That is why I am non-conformist(in a good way..lol) in hopes I don't get sucked in to anything unethical or immoral...It is a tough world to take on...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:37:00 AM
Residential Listing

Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4

Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter

Richard Vatne was elected to the Council in 2004.  He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990.  His current term ends December 31, 2009.

Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years.  He is a retired small business owner.  He has one son.

Community Service:  He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council.  Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.

Council Goals:  growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}


He was also married to Billie Vatne (nee self)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx)

we also have an SO

Ricky L Self

A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.

Convicting Crime:  Attempted Child Molestation-2  Degree:  0
RCW: 9A.44.086

http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:45:32 AM
Ricky L Self

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 04:04:23 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am going to bed...Gnight..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 08:35:12 AM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumfoutchadam2.jpg)
unless someone got some major plastic surgery this is not the same guy.

It wasn't supposed to be the same guy.  We are asking if they possilby look alike, or could be mistaken for each other.  particularly from a distance. 
Good morning Monkeys
I think they could be mistaken for the same guy,especially from a distance and in the dark and if they have about the same build.

Gladwin Sex Offender Violates Parole
Police Find Child Porn On Suspect's Computer

http://www.wnem.com/news/16952647/detail.html

http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=259516




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:28:36 AM
Residential Listing

Councilmember Richard Vatne, Position 4

Richard J Vatne
Box 1355
Mccleary, WA 98557
(360) ***-****

http://whitepages.addresses.com/results.php?ReportType=34&qc=mccleary&qfilter

Richard Vatne was elected to the Council in 2004.  He served as Mayor from 1986 to 1990.  His current term ends December 31, 2009.

Richard has lived in McCleary for 30 years.  He is a retired small business owner.  He has one son.

Community Service:  He has more recently narrowed his activities to the City Council.  Previously he was active in the Chamber of Commerce, United Way, and numerous power utility councils and boards.

Council Goals:  growth; making the voters happy; make the cemetery look good; streets, sidewalks

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}


He was also married to Billie Vatne (nee self)

http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx (http://www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/ViewMedia.aspx)

we also have an SO

Ricky L Self

A map of the Offender's Neighborhood is not available
because of an invalid address.

Convicting Crime:  Attempted Child Molestation-2  Degree:  0
RCW: 9A.44.086

http://ml.waspc.org/offender.aspx?pid=205117&name=Self,%20Ricky%20L&address=0xx%20Doc&city=Skagit%20CO%20&zip=98273


I've seen the SELF  name all through my research, let me look through my names.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
goodmorning monkeys,

so i'm guessing there has been no news on a police officer being arrested?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

____________

as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:41:52 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

____________

as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   

with all that said... I must say, the ones I did talk to were all VERY nice, shocked the heck out of me ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 10:08:58 AM
This is so hard because someone in the community could have had a visitor who could have been an SO visiting and we would have to research the heck out of many people to associate one with the other ::MonkeyNoNo:: I am going to bed...Gnight..

exactly... and I keep doing that, but it takes forever, I will just about have to get LUCKY to HIT on it.  I keep trying.  But it is a never-ending task, because it could be the brother of someone who married someone in McCleary, therefore they have a different name, and if a step brother etc, it might not even show up with the nee name of the brother.  It's basically impossible unless you just get LUCKY and happen to pull up the right person, and one of the immediate family with the same last name pops up. 

But I'll keep at it. 

____________

as for possibly some LE being responsible, I always suspect them LOL  ALWAYS... I just do, but the thing about them I can't get on the board and start pointing fingers at them and putting all their info out on the board; so I say little about any of them.  Now if they have been convicted of something I might put that out on the board, but as far as posting all their addresses etc, you just can't do that, they would be on my butt in a sec. 

I for one have never trusted them "just because" they are police officers; seen too much crap in my life involving them, but they certainly are not all bad, I know that, but trying to figure out who might be the bad one...hmmm, and then they have the power to use their position to make sure no one can say or do anything about it; so if you have a police officer involved in the crime, it's going to be very hard for anyone like us to say or do much about it.  same for those in political office.  You end up just kicking yourself in the butt if you try, so I learned a long time ago, if you think it's the police, forget it (just my personal way of dealing with those cases).  I know people need to stand up against this stuff, and believe me I have tried in the past(before I learned not too ugh), so anymore I won't bother with them.  one reason why I don't like calling them or talking to them AT ALL.  This is why I gather the info, let someone else tell it to LE....   

dd-we are so lucky to have you on this board.  i have worked closely with the police on many cases and became friendly with some of them, and i can say that they all admitted there was lots of corruption in the police force (as we all know)...abuse of power can be a very scary thing (like the movie Gone Baby Gone for instance...if you havent seen it, see it!)

i think that based on the facts we do have would fit the scenario of someone in LE being involved.  however would that totally discount the information you have on the adam campbell lookalike and the eyewitness?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
DD, I believe you will find a "Self" in the Cantu case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:38:45 PM

snip

i think that based on the facts we do have would fit the scenario of someone in LE being involved.  however would that totally discount the information you have on the adam campbell lookalike and the eyewitness?

I still would not discount the person who thought they saw Adam Campbell, or looking for a "look-a-like" and the Heavy-set guy who might actually also be the BIG GUY behind the shell station. 

I have a "feeling" the police might think the lady is totally mistaken, NOT that anyone said that to me, they said nothing like that, but I THINK they might not believe her or think she is mistaken or something.  I believe she believes what she saw, and she believes it is adam campbell, and I can tell you I don't believe she has changed her mind about that at all.  However, because the detective followed up and replied to me about it, and because I am a position to give more info and they are not asking me to do so, I would think they have written off adam campbell totally OR, they can do whatever they have to do without any more info/help. So I just leave it at that.  but I am not going to say NOT to keep trying to figure out who Adam knows.  He might very well know "something".  He might very well be trying to tell it, and he might very well have told the police something.  I don't know.  But those 2 posts are not the only effort adam has made to try to tell someone "something" but whatever it is he is trying to tell someone, very hard to understand what it is.  So its all a big "GUESS" as to what is going on with adam.  And as I said earlier, he might be a witness to something or heard something for all I know and trying to tell someone. 

Now did that lady actually see "ADAM"  she says she did.  she is sure.  but it is easy to mistake someone for someone who looks so much like a person, so again, who did she really see?  And.... did she really see LINDSEY?  I don't know, she is sure she did.  And I believe full well she believes she did, she is sure.  is it all a case of mistaken id's, I don't know, but the woman is not nuts... she might be mistaken, as anyone can be, but she is not some nut. 

so at this point I have to take it that the police know what they are doing, and they are doing it.  IF they aren't then hmmm is all I can say.  I do know they listened, they acted, and they responded.  So it is not like they ignored any of this.

so we can still try to figure it out or look for an adam look-a-like, or we can believe the police are taking care of it all.  I don't want to get the police on my bad side.  LOL.  And I don't want to make a mess of something they are investigating.  But I also wonder about all these things and wonder if it would help if we looked for the adam look-a-like, or we tried to decipher what he is saying, etc. 

he posted on lindsey's guestbook for some reason, who knows why.  It seems to me he THINKS he can help.  now is the guy a weirdo who just thinks he is helping, or is he interjecting himself into a washington missing child because he lived there and saw it on the news and got interested, or does he have real info?  who knows.  Do I try to figure that out? I am not sure. 

I really don't know where to go on this, so I just sit still about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:42:39 PM
DD, I believe you will find a "Self" in the Cantu case.

there are a LOT of names in the Cantu case that are popping up in the Lindsey case, but we are in washington not far from where all the Lawless originated.  And a lot of the people in the Lindsey case have ties to the same towns in washington as the lawless do, so there is bound to be a lot of the same names.  I have not had the time to see if there are immeditate family ties, but I suspect we might even find a few, but that is expected in these little washington towns.  Now if I find someone in the immediate family of someone in the lindsey case married into someone in the Cantu case I will then go HMMMMMMMMMMMMM... and I really would not be shocked to find that LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:46:18 PM
the self name shows up on LARSON Rd, where the police were searching that road by the RR

the self name also shows up on 6th street. 

let me get those


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:47:04 PM
16 LARSON MCCLEARY, WA
MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, TRAVIS MICHAEL (Age 28)



MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)


   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:48:13 PM
6 LARSON MCCLEARY, WA


MCCLEARY, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, SHERI M (Age 55)
SELF, MICHAEL D (Age 60)
SELF, NICHOL MICHELLE (Age 31)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:48:52 PM
128 6TH MCCLEARY, WA
MCCLEARY, WA
SATSOP, WA

Possible Relatives:

SELF, WILLIAM N (Age 78)


MCCLEARY, WA
Possible Relatives:

SELF, GEORGIA L (Age 75)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:49:26 PM
170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA

hmm in the original list these show up at 170 6th st, but I found them also at 128 6th, but now they are not showing up at 170 6th in the other database? ???

Georgia L Self
170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
Household: William N Self


William N Self
170 S Sixth St McCleary, WA
65+
Household: Georgia L Self




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:56:19 PM

this is my old FEESER map but it does show larson and 6th, all get a map of SELF addresses on a map later.

larson is on the map I have of the michael feeser area almost up north of jim mullin creek

We know the police were down this road.  which house were they searching? 

I searched the names of anyone connected to any of the houses on that road,
this is when I ran into the self names on that road.

I had found them on 6th street also when I searched all of 6th street to see who lived on 6th.

this is kind of interesting really, we have self names on larson where the police searched when searching by the RR tracks. 

We have self names on 6th where the dog's supposedly trailed, so have to figure out the addresses and see where the houses are on 6th, if they are north or south of maple.
I know the 200 block is south but forgot where the 100 block is. 

let me go figure all this stuff out and get it all organized.


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baum-mullin-rsomap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 12:59:50 PM
here is my research on where the SELF names show up. 
I only bumped into them while research LARSON  & 6th, there could be more, I will have to look at that today. 

do we have any photos of the SELF people?  do they look like adam or the heavy set guy or the BIG GUY?

Larson
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/which-house-did-they-search-on-larson-t174.html

6th
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/who-is-on-6th-st-mccleary-t14.html

this way you can see who all is connected to them et


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
bb in a bit, have some chores still to do ugh.  then I will get the SELF stuff all organized and see if the Ricky Self is connected, which I am sure he is.  Maybe he was on 6th and Larson? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 01:11:29 PM
Thanks DD. I know that some cops are corrupt, but I sure hope this isn't what happened, this is upsetting to me to even think this. I have no doubt this woman believes what she saw, but a lot of times people think they saw the perp and then when there is a lineup they pick the wrong person, or can't pick.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:26:56 PM
Thanks DD. I know that some cops are corrupt, but I sure hope this isn't what happened, this is upsetting to me to even think this. I have no doubt this woman believes what she saw, but a lot of times people think they saw the perp and then when there is a lineup they pick the wrong person, or can't pick.

this is very true, so there is no way to know if she REALLY saw ADAM or if she saw someone who looks like him.  However, because he is posting on Lindsey's guestbook and wanting to help, then you have to wonder.  If not, boy did he pick the wrong time to post on there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:28:19 PM
one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:31:43 PM
adam is registered as homeless at one point, he is also registered in ROY WA at some point, and this is right by there. 

he is also registered at 6th street in yakima, and there are a lot of other SO's registered on 6th in yakima, it is like the whole street is full of them.  so did he take off and travel around with others? 

see I said I was not going to do this LOL  but I am sitting her asking these questions?  Could he have hooked up with some other homeless SO he met, knew something, trying to tell it, but can't contact the police because he is out of compliance?  that is possible. 

I just don't know, and I guess I should not need to know, but dang do I wonder


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 01:35:49 PM
one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
That has been bothering me for awhile now. Is Fort Lewis closed, or is the base still open?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 01:35:54 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:36:00 PM
btw, I lost adam's birthdate, I really need that. ugh. anyone have it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
That has been bothering me for awhile now. Is Fort Lewis closed, or is the base still open?
Fort Lewis is an active base. The area around Roy is used for training exercises.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 01:38:42 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.
I'm not familiar with WSP training.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 01:41:19 PM
one other thing, she saw these two men in the area where jeffrey smiley was.... fort lewis property.  you have to wonder, what is it with fort lewis property and these SO's?  are they camped out there homeless? 
That has been bothering me for awhile now. Is Fort Lewis closed, or is the base still open?
Fort Lewis is an active base. The area around Roy is used for training exercises.
Thank-you, that sure is taking a big chance  ::MonkeyEek::  There is a base by us here in So Cal that has been closed for sometime, and before they started to build a giant park on the land, it was a ghost town, and I can imagine how many people were maybe in the old housing and doing things on the property that they shouldn't have been doing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 01:48:54 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.
I'm not familiar with WSP training.
Sorry, Washington State Patrol training academy. Cadets go here to train to become officers, and officers come here for refresher training, or whatever.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 01:49:39 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

the clue:  follow the STATE LAW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:51:28 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

he is the STATE police, like a STATE Trouper, do they have those up there? do they call they STATE TROUPERS?

where is the training center, what town? and is this training for STATE police?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 01:52:43 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

he is the STATE police, like a STATE Trouper, do they have those up there? do they call they STATE TROUPERS?

where is the training center, what town? and is this training for STATE police?
Yes they are state troopers. The training center is in Shelton and it is for the State Patrol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:53:54 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

the clue:  follow the STATE LAW

yes and I found the word trouper in there when trying to decipher that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:54:39 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

he is the STATE police, like a STATE Trouper, do they have those up there? do they call they STATE TROUPERS?

where is the training center, what town? and is this training for STATE police?
Yes they are state troopers. The training center is in Shelton and it is for the State Patrol.

thank you very much, back to adam's message.  let me look at something


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:57:03 PM
The Washington State Patrol Training Division administers all training programs for employees and is responsible for identifying, developing and implementing the department's training programs. The division conducts training at the WSP Training Academy and throughout the state. Training for other law enforcement agencies  is also provided by the division, which is nationally recognized  for its Emergency Vehicle Operators Training Program.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 01:57:38 PM
Following a rigorous selection process, trooper cadets  attend a 26-week basic training course


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 01:59:41 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.
I'm not familiar with WSP training.
Sorry, Washington State Patrol training academy. Cadets go here to train to become officers, and officers come here for refresher training, or whatever.
Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:00:17 PM
The division provides training for other law enforcement agencies as well and is recognized as one of the finest public safety training institutions in the nation.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:01:20 PM
situated amid 190 acres of evergreen forests with occasional vistas of the Olympic Mountains. Initially dedicated in 1969, the training complex includes: an administration building, dormitories for 96 live-in students,


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:02:34 PM
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/about/about.htm

can anyone find a "white house" photo in here?  or a name "whitehouse" or anything


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:04:54 PM
January 19, 2009
   
Two Wash. officers fired over Facebook indiscretions

Washington State Patrol Cadet Math Blahut was forced to resign from the state patrol on Jan. 9 after officials received a complaint about content on his Facebook page.

And Kennewick police Officer Matthew Winckler was fired from the force while he was at the police academy because of comments he posted on his blog.

http://www.policeone.com/police-technology/articles/1776582-Two-Wash-officers-fired-over-Facebook-indiscretions/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:07:30 PM
rules, what the heck is rules? is that someone's name?

r u le's

sur le
sir le

support
P troups

50 state of world
NATION

what the heck is he saying, let me look at something else



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:08:57 PM
is there are state trooper named
rules
whitehouse



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 02:09:30 PM
from their website:
investigation · Crime Scene Response Team
The Washington State Patrol Crime Scene Response Team (CSRT) is a partnership between the Crime Laboratory Division and the Criminal Investigation Division. The CSRT provides a comprehensive investigative capability for crime scenes at the request of any law enforcement agency in the state.

The team, made up of crime laboratory personnel and detectives from the WSP Criminal Investigation Division, is available 24 hours a day. They assist local law enforcement as they process the crime scene as well as help them recognize, handle, preserve, and package physical evidence. Laboratory personnel also help reconstruct the events that occurred at the scene.

CSRT Capabilities
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Crime Laboratory Division CSRT members are skilled in the following:

Collecting, controlling, and properly preserving all types of evidence, including:
Physiological specimens -- blood, semen, saliva, tissue, and bone
Firearms -- cartridge components, firearms, gunpowder residues, and gun shot residues
Other weapons
Tools
Toolmarks
Arson accelerants
Explosive residues
Trace evidence -- fibers, hair, paint, glass, soil, building materials, particles, shoe prints and impressions, and tire impressions
 
Performing field tests or examinations for presumptive identification of some types of evidence, including:
Blood
Semen
Trace metals
Hair
Fiber
Performing evidence interpretation of:
Blood spatter patterns
Bullet trajectories
Criminal activity reconstruction
Assisting in evidence collection decisions at autopsy
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Latent Fingerprint Identification CSRT members are skilled in the following:

Processing crime scenes for latent prints on various types of surfaces:
Porous surfaces (i.e., paper, cardboard, unfinished wood, other absorbent surfaces)
Non-porous surfaces (i.e., glass, mirrors, plastics, metal, other non-absorbent surfaces)
Photographing latent prints
Obtaining postmortem fingerprints
Coordinating efforts with coroner/medical examiner to obtain dental information
Back to Top
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Criminal Investigation Division CSRT members are skilled in the following:

Crime scene surveying/measuring and CAD diagramming

Crime scene photography - still and video

Interviewing and interrogation
Drafting affidavits for search warrants
Writing search warrants and obtaining telephonic search warrants
Evidence search/collection
Collision reconstruction
 CSRT Callout Criteria
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As a general guideline, the CSRT will respond to the following situations:

Death investigations (except for traffic fatalities)
Sexual assault cases
Kidnappings
Assaults/shootings involving a law enforcement officer
Other felony crimes as warranted by circumstances
Requests for crime scene investigation or assistance should be made to the Crime Scene Coordinator through the Washington State Patrol Communications Center at Tacoma by calling (253) 548-2020.

The Crime Scene Coordinator will make an assessment of the resources needed for the particular situation based upon the details provided and will make arrangements for the required personnel and equipment to respond in a manner commensurate with the needs of the case.

How to Call Out the CSRT
Secure the scene
Call (253) 548-2020
Ask for the Crime Scene Response Team Coordinator
Be prepared to answer the following questions:
Type of offense and scenario
Victim/suspect information
Evidence of interest
Scene processing requested (e.g., fingerprint development, blood stain collection, interrogation, trajectory, forensic mapping, etc.)
Search warrant status.
Priority of assistance needed (e.g., immediate response, or can be scheduled)
Contact person and telephone number.
Meeting location.
Airport and ground transportation information if priority requires aircraft transportation
Contact Information
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For additional information or to requests assistance with a crime scene investigation, ask for the Crime Scene Coordinator when calling the Washington State Patrol Communications Center at Tacoma (253) 548-2020.

WSP Criminal Investigation Division
PO Box 42637
Olympia WA 98504-2637
(360) 704-2950



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:10:53 PM
what does RULES mean

Main Entry: rule
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: standard, principle of behavior
Synonyms: aphorism, apothegm, assize, axiom, basis, brocard, canon, chapter and verse, command, commandment, criterion, decorum, decree, decretion, dictum, direction, edict, etiquette, formula, fundamental, gnome, guide, guideline, keynote, keystone, law, maxim, model, moral, no-no's, order, ordinance, precedent, precept, prescription, propriety, regimen, regulation, ruling, statute, tenet, test, the book, the numbers, truism 
Main Entry: rule
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: leadership of organization
Synonyms: administration, ascendancy, authority, command, control, direction, domination, dominion, empire, government, influence, jurisdiction, power, regime, regnancy, reign, sovereignty, supremacy, sway 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:14:02 PM
follow rules in the State Law

okay this might be the key
follow the rules of the nation... okay I understand that perfectly well.  this is the rules I use.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:14:37 PM
gee is adam campbell this smart?  to know to follow the rules of the NATION


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:18:22 PM
it is in here
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:19:33 PM
Hi DD, I have three days left for finals, I will try to help as much as I can. I have 2 classes done 2 to go so I am almost there and then I have a couple of weeks off again.yay...just wanted to let you know if you don't see me its not cause I don't help, because i do...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 02:21:09 PM
Hi DD, I have three days left for finals, I will try to help as much as I can. I have 2 classes done 2 to go so I am almost there and then I have a couple of weeks off again.yay...just wanted to let you know if you don't see me its not cause I don't help, because i do...

it's not because I don't want to help, because I do***..lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 02:23:00 PM
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/crime/docs/mupu/mectf_annual_report.pdf

This is the Annual Report.  It is interesting to read of the SO crimes "solved" in 2008.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:33:38 PM
Hi DD, I have three days left for finals, I will try to help as much as I can. I have 2 classes done 2 to go so I am almost there and then I have a couple of weeks off again.yay...just wanted to let you know if you don't see me its not cause I don't help, because i do...

it's not because I don't want to help, because I do***..lol

hehe, yes, get your finals done that is important, we all have to keep on with our lives while we also try to work on this stuff, all my mornings are all tied up with my HOME stuff, so we all have to keep on living, LOL 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:35:32 PM
okay I see what he is doing.  he's following along what is being said.  buy why?  I have to really question if adam has some info.  gee, I should not be doing this though.  but I see it, its all through there..  And I have more of this stuff I see it. ugh. 

that or I am a total loon ! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:37:06 PM
read this, compare the dates,

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/you-know-who-you-are-t53.html

you won't understand what I am saying though, but you might see what I am seeing. ugh. 

if not just tell me I am crazy and I will quit talking about this stuff ugh


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 02:40:27 PM
I was wondering if Lindsey and her family knew a member of WSP?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:51:51 PM
I just wanted to add one more bit of information, maybe it will help. My husband was told the LE involved is a WSP officer. There is a WSP training academy here that can accommodate 120 students for training. So this person could have nothing to do with Lindsey's case as an officer I guess. Anyway, just thought I would add that additional info.

do you know where this info is originating from?  I guess you would have said already if you could?   ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:53:31 PM
okay do we have an AL  a child taken, or AL taking a child? or neal? or AE


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:56:21 PM
so where was adam on july 23rd?  was he still in another state, or did he make a trip back to washington with someone? 

and being he has a ROY address as one of his addresses, was he in the ROY area on the 23rd? 

when did smiley get arrested?  the date? 

and how many kids were there ?  was Lindsey ONE OF THE STOLEN KIDS?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 02:57:32 PM
does anyone understand this crap besides ME?  or have I lost my mind? 

can anyone here code by Nation rules?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
http://www.wsp.wa.gov/about/about.htm

can anyone find a "white house" photo in here?  or a name "whitehouse" or anything

yes, in their special units, there is a photo of an armored truck with what looks like the white house in the background.  It is probably the capitol building.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:06:40 PM
does anyone understand this crap besides ME?  or have I lost my mind? 

can anyone here code by Nation rules?


Does it have to do with being native American??..Campbell and Lachester, are they not names derived from the Native Americans?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:11:05 PM
Festus Lachester...Do not know which one this is, but I think there are 5 of them because we show one in the Wa court docs as being, Festus Lachester IV I think I will have to look..

LaChester, Festus.  1994.  Interview affidavits included in Makah Indian Reservation Site Assessment prepared by Tecumseh Professional Associates Inc. (1998).

Cited:

http://www.ridolfi.com/MakahNALEMP/References.html


doesn't WW go to a church that has missionaries with the Makah tribe? or something


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:15:39 PM
Makah Indian Reservation

In 1855, the Treaty of Neah Bay between the United States government and the Makah Indian Tribe established the Makah Indian Reservation.  The Reservation lies at the northwest corner of the Olympic Peninsula in Washington State.  It is bordered on the west by the Pacific Ocean and on the north by the Strait of Juan de Fuca.  Neah Bay is the only town within the Reservation. Tribal enrollment is approximately 2,400, with approximately half living on the Reservation (Makah Tribe, 2002).  The population of the Reservation, including the U.S. Coast Guard (USCG) facility and several non-Indian dependents, is approximately 1,500 (Makah Tribe, 2002; U.S. Census Bureau, 2002).  The Makah Tribe has cultural and subsistence use of the streams, creeks, and plants of the area, as well as of the ocean.

The Reservation encompasses about 42 square miles.  It is hilly and rugged in relief, with steep slopes and deep, narrow valleys.  The lower valleys of the Sooes and Waatch Rivers, however, are low, broad, and swampy.  The land surface of the Reservation ranges in altitude from sea level to almost 2,000 feet above mean sea level (msl).  Most of the Reservation was once heavily forested with cedar, fir, spruce, and hemlock.  However, much of the area has been logged, and few stands of old-growth timber remain.

On average, Neah Bay receives approximately 100 inches of annual precipitation.  Three-quarters of the annual precipitation occurs during the six-month period from October through March.  The Waatch River is the source of domestic water for the town of Neah Bay.  Village Creek was originally the water source for the town and is available as a supplemental water supply if needed.  Several industrial and residential water-supply wells have been drilled in and around the town.  At least three public water-supply wells were drilled for the town by the U.S. Department of Health, but these wells were abandoned due to inferior water quality and insufficient yield (Brown and Caldwell, 1999).

http://www.ridolfi.com/MakahNALEMP/People.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 03:17:22 PM
Capitol Campus Detachment
Police services for the 435 acres, 3 million square feet of office buildings and four state parks, known as the Capitol Campus, are provided by a headquarters based detachment in Olympia. Criminal and traffic law enforcement as well as security for visitors and state legislators is provided by uniformed personnel on foot, bicycles, and patrol vehicles. Detachment personnel are augmented by additional troopers during legislative sessions to ensure elected officials are provided a secure environment to conduct the business of the government.
http://www.ga.wa.gov/Visitor/index.html

Sorry I don't know how to move the pix because no have photobucket, just mopbuckets.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
from their web site, this and above:
Assistant Chief Brian Ursino
The Investigative Services Bureau (ISB) provides various public services, including vessel and terminal safety; narcotics investigation and dismantling of clandestine labs; fatality, criminal, and missing persons investigations; computer forensics; Criminal Records and organized crime intelligence.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:22:22 PM
does anyone understand this crap besides ME?  or have I lost my mind? 

can anyone here code by Nation rules?


Does it have to do with being native American??..Campbell and Lachester, are they not names derived from the Native Americans?

no, lol not the First Nation LOL  this is something totally different


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:24:51 PM
omg I am not making ANY sense to anyone ugh
not your guys fault.  ugh It is ME. 

someone has to know the NATION rules.  anyone?  are you out there?  I need some help with this stuff


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:27:12 PM
Frankly< it takes two baby, me and you
to make a dream come true. 

ugh sorry you guys... really, but I have to say this.

book it.  under cover.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 03:29:10 PM
it is in here
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


I've tried hard to "decode" this.  If we try to view the "forest through the trees" it appears that he is trying to deliver a rather simple message--someone within state law enforcement, perhaps acting with someone else, took Lindsey while she was alone and gave her to someone (as in "taking a stolen kid"), and he views that as being very wrong.  His use of the plural "kids" within the phrase "take stolen kids" seems to suggest that this may be part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. 

Can you post both of his posts together?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Leroy on July 28, 2009, 03:29:34 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

DD - could this mean COUNTRY instead of NATION??

I'm not even sure it would make a difference...just thought I'd throw it out there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Leroy on July 28, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

BUMP for Jess


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: pink angel on July 28, 2009, 03:31:19 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 03:31:36 PM
i think adam campbell is trying to say that a state trooper was involved in this...this is just strange... im gonna go try to find info on the nation rules, im gonna assume this is talkin about an indian/native american nation


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: love4ever on July 28, 2009, 03:34:07 PM
does anyone understand this crap besides ME?  or have I lost my mind? 

can anyone here code by Nation rules?


Does it have to do with being native American??..Campbell and Lachester, are they not names derived from the Native Americans?

no, lol not the First Nation LOL  this is something totally different

ha, my feeble mind ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 03:34:32 PM
Capitol Campus Detachment
Police services for the 435 acres, 3 million square feet of office buildings and four state parks, known as the Capitol Campus, are provided by a headquarters based detachment in Olympia. Criminal and traffic law enforcement as well as security for visitors and state legislators is provided by uniformed personnel on foot, bicycles, and patrol vehicles. Detachment personnel are augmented by additional troopers during legislative sessions to ensure elected officials are provided a secure environment to conduct the business of the government.
http://www.ga.wa.gov/Visitor/index.html

Sorry I don't know how to move the pix because no have photobucket, just mopbuckets.



(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/visit.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:36:23 PM
it is in here
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


I've tried hard to "decode" this.  If we try to view the "forest through the trees" it appears that he is trying to deliver a rather simple message--someone within state law enforcement, perhaps acting with someone else, took Lindsey while she was alone and gave her to someone (as in "taking a stolen kid"), and he views that as being very wrong.  His use of the plural "kids" within the phrase "take stolen kids" seems to suggest that this may be part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. 

Can you post both of his posts together?


Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:38:06 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

DD - could this mean COUNTRY instead of NATION??

I'm not even sure it would make a difference...just thought I'd throw it out there.

I am really sure it is Nation.  It's the key.  but the thing is this, adam is also hearing impaired/deaf, so it will not fall true/clearly in the Nation's form, so it is going to be a little off and scrambled up. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 03:38:24 PM
Does it have to be White House meaning THE White House? On another thread in Lindsey's forum there is an ad for a house that is for sale near Lindsey's home, it appears to be a white house to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 03:39:31 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

Random thoughts: 
Is there a State Street?
Is there a SR 50 or Hwy 50
The railroad tracks - is there a railroad stateline or is that monopoly? 
If so, is he giving us directions to the White house? 

Could white house be cocaine house?  Cocaine is white, right?

What are the curfew laws - follow state law without alone....

Support
Up port - is there a port in the area?
sup' sport  - slang

Email
The male 
note once email is lower case then upper with hyphen.  Could he be saying he will wait for the mail in the white house (cocaine house) to email him that he is willing to give him support? 
I was talking to the male in the white house (cocaine) to email me that he will let me join the sport (ewww- can't even type what I am thinking a pedo would think is sport, but you get it.)

World - what business around there has that word in its name - any?  Like is there a walmart - some call it Wally world.  Or a store named something else world.  There used to be a Produce World store where I  used to live, so any stores with World.  Like World Market?


Okay, like I said - RANDOM.  But any locals know if the street names or stores exist? 
Straws, I tell ya...... straws!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Leroy on July 28, 2009, 03:40:33 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

DD - could this mean COUNTRY instead of NATION??

I'm not even sure it would make a difference...just thought I'd throw it out there.

I am really sure it is Nation.  It's the key.  but the thing is this, adam is also hearing impaired/deaf, so it will not fall true/clearly in the Nation's form, so it is going to be a little off and scrambled up. 

I find it strange that he puts *White House* and *Support* in quotes....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 03:43:58 PM
it is in here
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


I've tried hard to "decode" this.  If we try to view the "forest through the trees" it appears that he is trying to deliver a rather simple message--someone within state law enforcement, perhaps acting with someone else, took Lindsey while she was alone and gave her to someone (as in "taking a stolen kid"), and he views that as being very wrong.  His use of the plural "kids" within the phrase "take stolen kids" seems to suggest that this may be part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. 

Can you post both of his posts together?


Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it



Was this posted in response to, or in conjunction with, something someone else posted?  What doesn't he want "someone" to not worry about? What is he responding to? 

Perhaps by "State Law" or "rules in the State Law" he is talking about someone who MAKES the rules (even those rules that apply NATIONWIDE)--perhaps a state congressman or legislator, who would reside in the State Capitol, or White House?  Perhaps he is extending an offer to help anyone who needs to know more about what he means by "follow rules in the State Law."

Just brainstorming here.  I sure hope LE has followed up on this.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
is there are state trooper named
rules
whitehouse


When you asked if there was a trooper named whitehouse, it rang a bell. I did some digging, and I didn't find a trooper, but there is an attorney in Shelton with the last name Whitehouse. He doesn't do anything criminal related though, its mostly civil real estate and contract law. So I guess I learned basically nothing  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:45:46 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



he can prove where he was on the day lindsey went missing, he can prove he was there before that and the day after that.  but where was he when the lady says she saw him.  ugh.  I should not be saying this ugh... but oh well once I hit the button it is on here

I would think they would ask him.  but think about this also... what if someone told adam to post that stuff and he does not even know what it means?  he is homeless etc, so he could be around anyone, anywhere who might tell him, hey, here is a few bucks go post this, afterall he used his own email address etc... how crazy is that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 03:46:30 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

Random thoughts: 
Is there a State Street?
Is there a SR 50 or Hwy 50
The railroad tracks - is there a railroad stateline or is that monopoly? 
If so, is he giving us directions to the White house? 

Could white house be cocaine house?  Cocaine is white, right?

What are the curfew laws - follow state law without alone....

Support
Up port - is there a port in the area?
sup' sport  - slang

Email
The male 
note once email is lower case then upper with hyphen.  Could he be saying he will wait for the mail in the white house (cocaine house) to email him that he is willing to give him support? 
I was talking to the male in the white house (cocaine) to email me that he will let me join the sport (ewww- can't even type what I am thinking a pedo would think is sport, but you get it.)

World - what business around there has that word in its name - any?  Like is there a walmart - some call it Wally world.  Or a store named something else world.  There used to be a Produce World store where I  used to live, so any stores with World.  Like World Market?


Okay, like I said - RANDOM.  But any locals know if the street names or stores exist? 
Straws, I tell ya...... straws!


The WSP academy is next to the Port of Shelton? It's an industrial park and airport, but it is called the Port of Shelton


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



he can prove where he was on the day lindsey went missing, he can prove he was there before that and the day after that.  but where was he when the lady says she saw him.  ugh.  I should not be saying this ugh... but oh well once I hit the button it is on here

I would think they would ask him.  but think about this also... what if someone told adam to post that stuff and he does not even know what it means?  he is homeless etc, so he could be around anyone, anywhere who might tell him, hey, here is a few bucks go post this, afterall he used his own email address etc... how crazy is that. 

Do we know, or can we track, where the posts originated from?  If he's homeless, perhaps he posted from a public library?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 03:50:44 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



he can prove where he was on the day lindsey went missing, he can prove he was there before that and the day after that.  but where was he when the lady says she saw him.  ugh.  I should not be saying this ugh... but oh well once I hit the button it is on here

I would think they would ask him.  but think about this also... what if someone told adam to post that stuff and he does not even know what it means?  he is homeless etc, so he could be around anyone, anywhere who might tell him, hey, here is a few bucks go post this, afterall he used his own email address etc... how crazy is that. 
That could very well be, if he is homeless usually one wouldn't have an email address would they, would they even have a computer? I would think you would sell your computer for food and other necessities.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 03:51:22 PM
Does it have to be White House meaning THE White House? On another thread in Lindsey's forum there is an ad for a house that is for sale near Lindsey's home, it appears to be a white house to me.

here is the problem I am having with adam's communications.  sometimes hearing impaired/deaf persons will write things a little differently than other people who are not hearing impaired.  so it could be the Nation rules and he has the words a little different that would normally be, or he could be using something else.  if it were CLEARLY the Nation rules, I could figure it out, but it is a bit scrambled up.  So it is possible he is doing something else.  that is why it is so hard to understand, however, if the police really believe he is coding, he can use an interpreter and it will all come out correct.  but then again, would the police really believe adam campbell is 'coding'.  probably not, they probably believe by now I am a total loon if they are reading this.  ugh.

maybe I am a loon ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 03:53:43 PM
from their website:
The Washington State Patrol Rules Assistance Center provides information about rules administered by the agency. Rules are known as Washington Administrative Code (WAC) and each state agency adopts rules to implement state and federal law. The law for rule making is found in the Administrative Procedure Act, chapter 34.05 RCW.

The Washington State Patrol is committed to developing and adopting rules that are necessary, fair, understandable, and consistent. The Office of Government & Media Relations is the official WSP liaison with the Office of the Code Reviser and the Joint Administrative Rules Review Committee(JARRC).

The Administrative Procedure Act (APA) is the state law that outlines the standards that the Washington State Patrol must follow to adopt a rule. The Regulatory Fairness Act requires WSP to analyze the impact of its rules on small businesses. For more information on the rule making, please review the following WSP services and resources.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 03:54:42 PM
from their website:
The Washington State Patrol Rules Assistance Center provides information about rules administered by the agency. Rules are known as Washington Administrative Code (WAC) and each state agency adopts rules to implement state and federal law. The law for rule making is found in the Administrative Procedure Act, chapter 34.05 RCW.

The Washington State Patrol is committed to developing and adopting rules that are necessary, fair, understandable, and consistent. The Office of Government & Media Relations is the official WSP liaison with the Office of the Code Reviser and the Joint Administrative Rules Review Committee(JARRC).

The Administrative Procedure Act (APA) is the state law that outlines the standards that the Washington State Patrol must follow to adopt a rule. The Regulatory Fairness Act requires WSP to analyze the impact of its rules on small businesses. For more information on the rule making, please review the following WSP services and resources.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 03:55:34 PM
Does it have to be White House meaning THE White House? On another thread in Lindsey's forum there is an ad for a house that is for sale near Lindsey's home, it appears to be a white house to me.

here is the problem I am having with adam's communications.  sometimes hearing impaired/deaf persons will write things a little differently than other people who are not hearing impaired.  so it could be the Nation rules and he has the words a little different that would normally be, or he could be using something else.  if it were CLEARLY the Nation rules, I could figure it out, but it is a bit scrambled up.  So it is possible he is doing something else.  that is why it is so hard to understand, however, if the police really believe he is coding, he can use an interpreter and it will all come out correct.  but then again, would the police really believe adam campbell is 'coding'.  probably not, they probably believe by now I am a total loon if they are reading this.  ugh.

maybe I am a loon ::MonkeyDevil::

I don't know, DD.  It's puzzling.  In my observations, though, I wouldn't chalk the jumbled language up as being caused by him being hearing impaired.  People write much differently than the way they speak. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 04:09:36 PM
Anyone local hear on your news about tips coming in and cadaver dogs are being used in some homes right now? There is talk about this on WS.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 04:09:50 PM
i read that cadaver dogs are searching house to house in mccleary based on tips they received...i read this on ws from someone that said they confirmed it through the news...i will try to get confirmation from a news source on this and post it brb


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:12:46 PM
it is in here
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it


I've tried hard to "decode" this.  If we try to view the "forest through the trees" it appears that he is trying to deliver a rather simple message--someone within state law enforcement, perhaps acting with someone else, took Lindsey while she was alone and gave her to someone (as in "taking a stolen kid"), and he views that as being very wrong.  His use of the plural "kids" within the phrase "take stolen kids" seems to suggest that this may be part of an ongoing criminal enterprise. 

Can you post both of his posts together?


Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it



Was this posted in response to, or in conjunction with, something someone else posted?  What doesn't he want "someone" to not worry about? What is he responding to? 

Perhaps by "State Law" or "rules in the State Law" he is talking about someone who MAKES the rules (even those rules that apply NATIONWIDE)--perhaps a state congressman or legislator, who would reside in the State Capitol, or White House?  Perhaps he is extending an offer to help anyone who needs to know more about what he means by "follow rules in the State Law."

Just brainstorming here.  I sure hope LE has followed up on this.



I have compared dates to this
http://truecrime.forums-free.com/you-know-who-you-are-t53.html

I see something going on here but not sure.  But I do think someone is reading us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
then the lady spots the two guys on the 23rd of july


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 04:13:30 PM
i read that cadaver dogs are searching house to house in mccleary based on tips they received...i read this on ws from someone that said they confirmed it through the news...i will try to get confirmation from a news source on this and post it brb
I got this, Karen heard it on KOMO and has now made a call to confirm. Karen is a poster on WS.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 04:13:52 PM
here  is the post made by kageykaren at ws

Kimster, Kimster, Kimster, Delirously happy and not from heat! Sherrif Scott Richardson just announced on Komo 4 that as we type human cadaver dogs have returned to Mc Clearly and are going house to house!!! He stated lE was going off tips and and call. Lovely work by the way. I'm your side kick to your Nancy Drew notes... keep prayers going as we slueth!

and here is the link:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3994610&postcount=5


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 04:15:03 PM
here  is the post made by kageykaren at ws

Kimster, Kimster, Kimster, Delirously happy and not from heat! Sherrif Scott Richardson just announced on Komo 4 that as we type human cadaver dogs have returned to Mc Clearly and are going house to house!!! He stated lE was going off tips and and call. Lovely work by the way. I'm your side kick to your Nancy Drew notes... keep prayers going as we slueth!

and here is the link:
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3994610&postcount=5
Very interesting, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
i read that cadaver dogs are searching house to house in mccleary based on tips they received...i read this on ws from someone that said they confirmed it through the news...i will try to get confirmation from a news source on this and post it brb
I got this, Karen heard it on KOMO and has now made a call to confirm. Karen is a poster on WS.

lol no rose, i didnt realize u had already posted it when i wrote it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:17:43 PM
is there are state trooper named
rules
whitehouse


When you asked if there was a trooper named whitehouse, it rang a bell. I did some digging, and I didn't find a trooper, but there is an attorney in Shelton with the last name Whitehouse. He doesn't do anything criminal related though, its mostly civil real estate and contract law. So I guess I learned basically nothing  ::MonkeyLaugh::

oh hmm, let me check a date.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 04:18:02 PM

 
Searchers With Dog Looking For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Search teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary today conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dog, are battling very high heat as the check up on additional tips and re-check area hoping to find Lindsey missing since June 26.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.
Copyright 2009 by KIROTV.com. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
(They must have a good tip to be out and bringing dog/dogs out in the terrible heat they are having now.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:19:24 PM
Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:13 am

he is told to get an attorney.

he posts about white house at
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 04:22:22 PM
Adam
07/21/2009
17:07 h
Don't worry about it. I was talk to email with "White house" I wait for White House E-mail to me asap soon make sure will let me join "Support" Help infroamtion for all people in the 50 State of World. About more information follow rules in the State Law! I will happy more information for all people need know better follow rules in the State Law.


Adam
07/21/2009
17:09 h
About follow in the State Law without alone of kids age young gone after someone take stolen kids in the State Law very wrong I will happy more support more information ok. Don't worry about it

Random thoughts: 
Is there a State Street?
Is there a SR 50 or Hwy 50
The railroad tracks - is there a railroad stateline or is that monopoly? 
If so, is he giving us directions to the White house? 

Could white house be cocaine house?  Cocaine is white, right?

What are the curfew laws - follow state law without alone....

Support
Up port - is there a port in the area?
sup' sport  - slang

Email
The male 
note once email is lower case then upper with hyphen.  Could he be saying he will wait for the mail in the white house (cocaine house) to email him that he is willing to give him support? 
I was talking to the male in the white house (cocaine) to email me that he will let me join the sport (ewww- can't even type what I am thinking a pedo would think is sport, but you get it.)

World - what business around there has that word in its name - any?  Like is there a walmart - some call it Wally world.  Or a store named something else world.  There used to be a Produce World store where I  used to live, so any stores with World.  Like World Market?


Okay, like I said - RANDOM.  But any locals know if the street names or stores exist? 
Straws, I tell ya...... straws!


The WSP academy is next to the Port of Shelton? It's an industrial park and airport, but it is called the Port of Shelton

What would be up from the Port?  North or up as in walking from the port.

More random - could this be racial.  I see DD is focusing on Nation (not sure why?) but isn't there a gang or term black nation - then we have the white house?  Just tossing it out there.

Is there a Quaker State motor oil place there?

Is there a way to see if any residents are named White?

Is there a white house known for drugs (cocaine.  what color is meth?)

What street is the police station - govt offices, town hall, court house, etc on?  Is he referring to the law as the 'state' and of course, are any of these buildings white?

Are there any streets with the word "state" in the name somewhere - such as Gardenstate road, States street, Interstate, Estate Blvd,  etc.????????  (I made those all up, btw)

I don't think this applies, but this region is often referred to as the tri state area -- is that term used there for any reason?

the 50th state in the union was Hawaii - could this mean anything? 

Random over! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 04:23:04 PM
As the eternal optimist, and as a person who gets very emotional over cases like this, I don't like the sound of them searching with cadaver dogs.  I know the probabilities and the statistics--I just don't like to believe them until I have to.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:23:24 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



he can prove where he was on the day lindsey went missing, he can prove he was there before that and the day after that.  but where was he when the lady says she saw him.  ugh.  I should not be saying this ugh... but oh well once I hit the button it is on here

I would think they would ask him.  but think about this also... what if someone told adam to post that stuff and he does not even know what it means?  he is homeless etc, so he could be around anyone, anywhere who might tell him, hey, here is a few bucks go post this, afterall he used his own email address etc... how crazy is that. 

Do we know, or can we track, where the posts originated from?  If he's homeless, perhaps he posted from a public library?


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 04:24:50 PM

 
Searchers With Dog Looking For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Search teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary today conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dog, are battling very high heat as the check up on additional tips and re-check area hoping to find Lindsey missing since June 26.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.
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(They must have a good tip to be out and bringing dog/dogs out in the terrible heat they are having now.)

Why did they not do this on July 27, is my question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:26:07 PM
Does it have to be White House meaning THE White House? On another thread in Lindsey's forum there is an ad for a house that is for sale near Lindsey's home, it appears to be a white house to me.

here is the problem I am having with adam's communications.  sometimes hearing impaired/deaf persons will write things a little differently than other people who are not hearing impaired.  so it could be the Nation rules and he has the words a little different that would normally be, or he could be using something else.  if it were CLEARLY the Nation rules, I could figure it out, but it is a bit scrambled up.  So it is possible he is doing something else.  that is why it is so hard to understand, however, if the police really believe he is coding, he can use an interpreter and it will all come out correct.  but then again, would the police really believe adam campbell is 'coding'.  probably not, they probably believe by now I am a total loon if they are reading this.  ugh.

maybe I am a loon ::MonkeyDevil::

I don't know, DD.  It's puzzling.  In my observations, though, I wouldn't chalk the jumbled language up as being caused by him being hearing impaired.  People write much differently than the way they speak. 


oh I am not saying ALL OF THIS is from being hearing impaired.  IT IS CODED... but what I am saying is, even if you have the "KEY" and know how to read it, it still could not fall TRUE/CLEARLY exact, because he could be writing it out the way he writes which would have it a "little be off".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 04:26:27 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:26:52 PM
Anyone local hear on your news about tips coming in and cadaver dogs are being used in some homes right now? There is talk about this on WS.  ::MonkeyConfused::

OH GEE, I do not like the sound of that !!!!! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 04:27:32 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the they  TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO

Self edit


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 04:29:24 PM
You said you are sure it was adam who made the postings and that LE had checked him out and he had solid alibi.

Then wouldn't they have asked them about the postings? What they meant and why he posted on the guestbook?



he can prove where he was on the day lindsey went missing, he can prove he was there before that and the day after that.  but where was he when the lady says she saw him.  ugh.  I should not be saying this ugh... but oh well once I hit the button it is on here

I would think they would ask him.  but think about this also... what if someone told adam to post that stuff and he does not even know what it means?  he is homeless etc, so he could be around anyone, anywhere who might tell him, hey, here is a few bucks go post this, afterall he used his own email address etc... how crazy is that. 

Do we know, or can we track, where the posts originated from?  If he's homeless, perhaps he posted from a public library?


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:33:37 PM
As the eternal optimist, and as a person who gets very emotional over cases like this, I don't like the sound of them searching with cadaver dogs.  I know the probabilities and the statistics--I just don't like to believe them until I have to.



was my thought too, ugh.  I don't like hearing the cadaver dog...especially at this point.  SAD!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 04:36:23 PM
--------------->  SNIP

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Well, I sure hope they have ruled out use of a proxy.  IE:  hope they are not counting on him being two states away by the IP this was posted from.  I want a photo of him two states away!  Show me a gas station tape of him buying something!  (I am brutal! LOL)




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:37:23 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO

well it is this way, I didn't ask questions, did not even respond, just left it at that, but... if I thought that was the end of it all, I would not be here talking about this  ::MonkeyDevil::

but at first I thought, well I better just be quiet, then I thought, no because no one will keep looking, then I thought, well I am not sure what to do here, then I thought screw it, I guess if someone does not want me talking they will give me a call and tell me to shut up....

oooppps is that the phone ringing  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:41:12 PM

snip
But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


well that is basically my question about the day the lady says she saw him.  Where was he THEN?  I know this, he skipped communication on a sunday.  not sure why, waited til the next weekday/ a monday.  Heck he might be in my town for all I know?  or in jail?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:41:55 PM

snip
But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


well that is basically my question about the day the lady says she saw him.  Where was he THEN?  I know this, he skipped communication on a sunday.  not sure why, waited til the next weekday/ a monday.  Heck he might be in my town for all I know?  or in jail?

well that post turned out all goofed up, the second part is me, the first part is jessstar


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 04:43:41 PM
i agree with no rose, i find it very concerning that they have cadaver dogs out in this heat and think they must have gotten a pretty good lead/tip


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 04:43:50 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO

well it is this way, I didn't ask questions, did not even respond, just left it at that, but... if I thought that was the end of it all, I would not be here talking about this  ::MonkeyDevil::

but at first I thought, well I better just be quiet, then I thought, no because no one will keep looking, then I thought, well I am not sure what to do here, then I thought screw it, I guess if someone does not want me talking they will give me a call and tell me to shut up....

oooppps is that the phone ringing  ::MonkeyDevil::

Sorry, I didn't want you to doubt yourself. I am just suspicious of the way the McCleary PD and the Grays Harbor Sheriffs office has handled this whole thing. I also think that a $6,000 reward from Crimestoppers is depolorable too. Surely there should be more reward money coming from other sources.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:46:41 PM
--------------->  SNIP

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Well, I sure hope they have ruled out use of a proxy.  IE:  hope they are not counting on him being two states away by the IP this was posted from.  I want a photo of him two states away!  Show me a gas station tape of him buying something!  (I am brutal! LOL)




I know, I am the same way, just because he was there when she disappeared or he posted on her guestbook, does not mean he was not back in washington when someone says they saw him, especially when he use to live right there. 

LE has to take this into account, they can't be so stupid as not too... can they?  I mean this is BASIC common sense.  he can drive from two states away and go to washington, be seen and leave again and go back two states away. 

they HAVE to know that, how can you be a detective and not know something like that?  unless you are barney fife, and I would think they are not... they have his ips so they had to have checked them and tracked them, the feds can do that.  I do know this, he used a bunch of ips. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 04:51:29 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO

well it is this way, I didn't ask questions, did not even respond, just left it at that, but... if I thought that was the end of it all, I would not be here talking about this  ::MonkeyDevil::

but at first I thought, well I better just be quiet, then I thought, no because no one will keep looking, then I thought, well I am not sure what to do here, then I thought screw it, I guess if someone does not want me talking they will give me a call and tell me to shut up....

oooppps is that the phone ringing  ::MonkeyDevil::

Sorry, I didn't want you to doubt yourself. I am just suspicious of the way the McCleary PD and the Grays Harbor Sheriffs office has handled this whole thing. I also think that a $6,000 reward from Crimestoppers is depolorable too. Surely there should be more reward money coming from other sources.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

here is my problem, I don't want these cops on my butt. LOL.  I don't want to say something and have them get ahold of me and get mad and tell me to shut up, but there is a LOT I would like to say.  I will tell you what, I am more worried about them getting mad at me that the perp.  I am not worried about some kidnapper/killer, its the dang cops that scare the hell out of me.   ::MonkeyDevil::  so I keep thinking, I better watch what I say, then I start thinking well gee, why be quiet about stuff, then I think, because you don't want to say something the police will be mad at your for, then I don't know what would make them mad or not, so I think about it and say only what I think they will not get mad about, then I think oh god I better shut up,  see the mess?  that is how my brain is working right now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 04:58:24 PM
--------------->  SNIP

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Well, I sure hope they have ruled out use of a proxy.  IE:  hope they are not counting on him being two states away by the IP this was posted from.  I want a photo of him two states away!  Show me a gas station tape of him buying something!  (I am brutal! LOL)




I know, I am the same way, just because he was there when she disappeared or he posted on her guestbook, does not mean he was not back in washington when someone says they saw him, especially when he use to live right there. 

LE has to take this into account, they can't be so stupid as not too... can they?  I mean this is BASIC common sense.  he can drive from two states away and go to washington, be seen and leave again and go back two states away. 

they HAVE to know that, how can you be a detective and not know something like that?  unless you are barney fife, and I would think they are not... they have his ips so they had to have checked them and tracked them, the feds can do that.  I do know this, he used a bunch of ips

Sounds like a proxy to me! 
Did you see my other posts - I was going from the random angle he was trying to use code to direct us/someone right to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 05:03:14 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/20204468/detail.html

Searchers With Dog Looking For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Search teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary today conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dog, are battling very high heat as the check up on additional tips and re-check area hoping to find Lindsey missing since June 26.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:07:13 PM
--------------->  SNIP

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Well, I sure hope they have ruled out use of a proxy.  IE:  hope they are not counting on him being two states away by the IP this was posted from.  I want a photo of him two states away!  Show me a gas station tape of him buying something!  (I am brutal! LOL)




I know, I am the same way, just because he was there when she disappeared or he posted on her guestbook, does not mean he was not back in washington when someone says they saw him, especially when he use to live right there. 

LE has to take this into account, they can't be so stupid as not too... can they?  I mean this is BASIC common sense.  he can drive from two states away and go to washington, be seen and leave again and go back two states away. 

they HAVE to know that, how can you be a detective and not know something like that?  unless you are barney fife, and I would think they are not... they have his ips so they had to have checked them and tracked them, the feds can do that.  I do know this, he used a bunch of ips

Sounds like a proxy to me! 
Did you see my other posts - I was going from the random angle he was trying to use code to direct us/someone right to Lindsey.

yes it is routing all over the place


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:07:47 PM


well the police know where he is, he is two states away.  they interviewed him.  so he has already been tracked and located.

That is what the TOLD you DoubleDecker. JMO

well it is this way, I didn't ask questions, did not even respond, just left it at that, but... if I thought that was the end of it all, I would not be here talking about this  ::MonkeyDevil::

but at first I thought, well I better just be quiet, then I thought, no because no one will keep looking, then I thought, well I am not sure what to do here, then I thought screw it, I guess if someone does not want me talking they will give me a call and tell me to shut up....

oooppps is that the phone ringing  ::MonkeyDevil::

Sorry, I didn't want you to doubt yourself. I am just suspicious of the way the McCleary PD and the Grays Harbor Sheriffs office has handled this whole thing. I also think that a $6,000 reward from Crimestoppers is depolorable too. Surely there should be more reward money coming from other sources.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

here is my problem, I don't want these cops on my butt. LOL.  I don't want to say something and have them get ahold of me and get mad and tell me to shut up, but there is a LOT I would like to say.  I will tell you what, I am more worried about them getting mad at me that the perp.  I am not worried about some kidnapper/killer, its the dang cops that scare the hell out of me.   ::MonkeyDevil::  so I keep thinking, I better watch what I say, then I start thinking well gee, why be quiet about stuff, then I think, because you don't want to say something the police will be mad at your for, then I don't know what would make them mad or not, so I think about it and say only what I think they will not get mad about, then I think oh god I better shut up,  see the mess?  that is how my brain is working right now

To clear the air about this, I am only stating my opinion and not critisizing you or putting you on the spot. I do have somewhat of an LE background, and generally I am on the LE side. Way on the LE side.
I just know stink when I smell it. And something stinks in McCleary and maybe in Grays Harbor County too. That is why I was asking about a state's attorney in Washington State covering the McCleary area. You have done absolutely nothing wrong, and nothing that any LE has to come after you. I admire you for doing all you have done already.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Sister on July 28, 2009, 05:11:07 PM
Quote from DD:  here is my problem, I don't want these cops on my butt. LOL.  I don't want to say something and have them get ahold of me and get mad and tell me to shut up, but there is a LOT I would like to say.  I will tell you what, I am more worried about them getting mad at me that the perp.  I am not worried about some kidnapper/killer, its the dang cops that scare the hell out of me.     so I keep thinking, I better watch what I say, then I start thinking well gee, why be quiet about stuff, then I think, because you don't want to say something the police will be mad at your for, then I don't know what would make them mad or not, so I think about it and say only what I think they will not get mad about, then I think oh god I better shut up,  see the mess?  that is how my brain is working right now

DD, me thinks you need a nap!  My goodness, you are working so hard all the time.  I know it isn't funny, but I am laughing cause it's almost like I can hear your brain having this conversation.
 :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:11:30 PM
well it is this way, they have all the ips, and they interviewed him, so I guess they know what to ask him?  my question now, is he in jail, if not guess they don't think he is involved in anything.  does he know something he might, he might have told them what he knows. 

he was still on the net at
Monday, July 27, 2009, 12:52 AM

I don't know where he is after that


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:15:01 PM
Quote from DD:  here is my problem, I don't want these cops on my butt. LOL.  I don't want to say something and have them get ahold of me and get mad and tell me to shut up, but there is a LOT I would like to say.  I will tell you what, I am more worried about them getting mad at me that the perp.  I am not worried about some kidnapper/killer, its the dang cops that scare the hell out of me.     so I keep thinking, I better watch what I say, then I start thinking well gee, why be quiet about stuff, then I think, because you don't want to say something the police will be mad at your for, then I don't know what would make them mad or not, so I think about it and say only what I think they will not get mad about, then I think oh god I better shut up,  see the mess?  that is how my brain is working right now

DD, me thinks you need a nap!  My goodness, you are working so hard all the time.  I know it isn't funny, but I am laughing cause it's almost like I can hear your brain having this conversation.
 :2brickwall:

LOL  I know how crazy this is all sounding, really I do, LOL  you don't know the half of it omg !  if you knew you would understand LOL   it's not because I am tired.  it is because I know stuff I am not saying ugh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 05:15:44 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:16:33 PM
--------------->  SNIP

But I'd like to know where he was when he made his posts, as it could potentially lead to identifying others.  Perhaps he used a "friend's" computer.  Or he was in McCleary, Elma or some other nearby place on the 21st visiting "friends." 


Well, I sure hope they have ruled out use of a proxy.  IE:  hope they are not counting on him being two states away by the IP this was posted from.  I want a photo of him two states away!  Show me a gas station tape of him buying something!  (I am brutal! LOL)




I know, I am the same way, just because he was there when she disappeared or he posted on her guestbook, does not mean he was not back in washington when someone says they saw him, especially when he use to live right there. 

LE has to take this into account, they can't be so stupid as not too... can they?  I mean this is BASIC common sense.  he can drive from two states away and go to washington, be seen and leave again and go back two states away. 

they HAVE to know that, how can you be a detective and not know something like that?  unless you are barney fife, and I would think they are not... they have his ips so they had to have checked them and tracked them, the feds can do that.  I do know this, he used a bunch of ips

Sounds like a proxy to me! 
Did you see my other posts - I was going from the random angle he was trying to use code to direct us/someone right to Lindsey.
oh yah I understand that very well


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 05:21:55 PM
Interesting that they mentioned using a search and rescue team as opposed to search and recovery. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but rescue teams are used when the expectation is that the person will be found alive. Recovery teams are used for the alternative.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:21:56 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.

Pierce County does not mess around. There may be some real progress being made at this point. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:24:51 PM
DOUBLEDECKER, if you are worried about gathering info using an ISP tracker, they are not illegal. Just in case that is one of you concerns.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:25:48 PM
Interesting that they mentioned using a search and rescue team as opposed to search and recovery. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but rescue teams are used when the expectation is that the person will be found alive. Recovery teams are used for the alternative.

I noticed that also, hmmm, well maybe they just are interchanging the two, but gee, wish they would use the correct terms so we would know. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
DOUBLEDECKER, if you are worried about gathering info using an ISP tracker, they are not illegal. Just in case that is one of you concerns.

nope I don't worry about that at all.   ::MonkeyCool::
my concern is I say something the police do not want anyone to know. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:27:46 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.

I wasn't able to pull up that link. Was that the undersheriff of Gray's Harbor or Pierce County that made that statement?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:28:56 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.

Pierce County does not mess around. There may be some real progress being made at this point. JMO


good glad to here that... so maybe they have some evidence in Pierce county as well as in McCleary.  let's see, who lives in both places? or maybe the dogs are out of pierce county, sometimes they get dogs from other counties to come to help


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:29:08 PM
DOUBLEDECKER, if you are worried about gathering info using an ISP tracker, they are not illegal. Just in case that is one of you concerns.

nope I don't worry about that at all.   ::MonkeyCool::
my concern is I say something the police do not want anyone to know. 

I assume most of what you have gathered has already been on the web?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:30:36 PM
Roy, Washington WA = Pierce County


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:31:14 PM
DOUBLEDECKER, if you are worried about gathering info using an ISP tracker, they are not illegal. Just in case that is one of you concerns.

nope I don't worry about that at all.   ::MonkeyCool::
my concern is I say something the police do not want anyone to know. 

I assume most of what you have gathered has already been on the web?

not at all, that is the problem


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 05:31:52 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.

Pierce County does not mess around. There may be some real progress being made at this point. JMO


good glad to here that... so maybe they have some evidence in Pierce county as well as in McCleary.  let's see, who lives in both places? or maybe the dogs are out of pierce county, sometimes they get dogs from other counties to come to help

Sounds like they are using more sophistocated dogs from Pierce County. I think it is a good thing. There is a fine line between search and rescue, and cadaver dog. The two or totally different things, just like drug dogs are. It might be a smoke screen to make people think they are still looking for a live Lindsay. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: concernedmommyinwa on July 28, 2009, 05:32:35 PM
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86992&page=18)

Posted by BOONDOCK at Websleuths:

The Undersheriff told Q13 FOX News that they received tips and are out searching Tuesday. The FBI, Pierce County Sheriff deputies and Search and Rescue teams are also involved in the search for the missing girl. -snipped-

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-0728...tory?track=rss

has Pierce County always been involved or is this new?

This is an interesting point.

I wasn't able to pull up that link. Was that the undersheriff of Gray's Harbor or Pierce County that made that statement?

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story (http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story)

Maybe this link will work. It isn't clear which department the undersheriff they are quoting is from?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 05:32:58 PM
Roy, Washington WA = Pierce County

Roy Washington - now isn't that interesting. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:33:49 PM
Roy, Washington WA = Pierce County

Roy Washington - now isn't that interesting. 

certainly is


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 05:35:26 PM
Remember DD, I'm the eternal optimist. I assume they chose the correct term! ::monkeysmiles::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:37:55 PM
Remember DD, I'm the eternal optimist. I assume they chose the correct term! ::monkeysmiles::

well you know, I still have some hope she is alive.  but I do not like the sound of cadaver dogs...maybe the info they got was that she might or might not be so they brought in cadaver dogs also just in case


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 05:39:47 PM
Search for missing girl continues, more publicity is needed
Published on Tue, Jul 28, 2009

by BY PAM STEVENS | EDITOR

Read More Editorial


When a parent hears that a child is missing, heartbreak for the family instantaneously comes to the surface. The emotional rollercoaster that this family must be going through is something most of us, thankfully will never be able to understand.

Lindsey Baum, a 10-year-old girl from McCleary, Wash. went missing on June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house. She has never been seen since.

Having a daughter almost the same age as Baum, has made me even more empathetic and more cautious about her walking alone or being out of my sight. Our motto is “stay where I can see you”.

While we have all heard about the disappearance, it is disconcerting that more has not been seen or heard within the media over this young girl just vanishing.

When Elizabeth Smart disappeared from her home in Utah, state, national and even global attention was given to the case for months and months. Her family even appeared on Oprah and other national television shows in hopes of finding her.

Why is Baum’s disappearance any less important? There are bits and pieces seen here and there on nightly newscasts but the constant coverage and continual reminders of her disappearance have vanished right along with her.

There are hundreds of children who disappear in this country every year, many of them taken by someone outside of their family and friends, yet we only hear of a select few.

Now, the family has announced that there is a $6,000 reward for information given that will help find Baum and/or her abductor.

Is this one reason Baum’s disappearance hasn’t gotten the same media attention – money?
Searchers have been probing trails, rivers, roads, and every other place they can think of for this child, but to no avail.

Now her father may be deployed to Iraq soon and would like nothing more than to see his daughter and know she is safe before he leaves.

Every child deserves to be safe and when one of them goes missing, their disappearance should be a top story on the news each night. Race, religion, age, money, none of this should matter. 

For now, thoughts and prayers go out to Lindsey Baum and her family, prayers that they will not only find her, but that they will find her alive.  Hope that she will return home to the arms of all of those who have searched for her.

http://www.lakestevensjournal.com/editorial/article.exm/2009-07-28_search_for_missing_girl_continues__more_publicity_is_needed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 05:40:57 PM
Searchers Brave Heat In Search For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009
Updated: 2:09 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As temperatures soar near 100, teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary today conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.
The teams, including search dogs, are battling the heat as they check up on additional tips and re-check the area hoping to find the girl who's been missing since June 26.

The skyrocketing temperatures are making the search very difficult for people and animals.

"It's really hard. It's hot. It's hot for us; it's hot for the dogs. The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.

Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.

Though the work is hard in the heat, searchers said they're glad to be part of the effort to help bring Lindsey home.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20204468/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 05:41:28 PM
the woman who claims she saw lb with the two men described her in clothes that she was not wearing the last time she was seen... i realize that the perps could have had her change clothes and all that, especially if they were planning on keeping her alive but it just kinda makes me doubt the eyewitness report


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:43:44 PM
maybe they found something out at ft lewis yesterday?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 05:43:52 PM
The last article does not state that they are searching door  to  door.  They are going door to door to interview everyone. 

 ::MonkeyConfused::
Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20204468/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:44:27 PM
the woman who claims she saw lb with the two men described her in clothes that she was not wearing the last time she was seen... i realize that the perps could have had her change clothes and all that, especially if they were planning on keeping her alive but it just kinda makes me doubt the eyewitness report

it had been a month


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
the woman who claims she saw lb with the two men described her in clothes that she was not wearing the last time she was seen... i realize that the perps could have had her change clothes and all that, especially if they were planning on keeping her alive but it just kinda makes me doubt the eyewitness report

it had been a month

let me make sure of that.  hang on


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 05:45:06 PM
Roy, Washington WA = Pierce County

Roy Washington - now isn't that interesting. 
Could you explain  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 05:47:10 PM
I also haven't seen the word cadaver in any of the official news reports. I wonder if that's accurate


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:47:13 PM

she sees them on july 22, that is almost a month later, could make sense she had changed clothes.  and remember there were all kinds of kids clothing found out at the ft lewis area where smiley was.  maybe they had her out there too?

July 22, 2009 on King5.com News



Most Recent Comments: 3
urgent 2 days ago wrote:
i'm so distraught i know i saw your daughbter on the roy highway being led on foot by the woods i called 911 and they said they dispatched someone to drive by but thats all they did there were two males one without a shirt and no shoes i have seen him on the highway only once before the other white male was about 50 weariong a b lue plaid shirt they had the girl sandwiched betwqeen them she was snacking at the males arfm on the right as they led her down the highway shew was wering a pink tank top and tannish capri pan ts she looks like the picture with the darker hair ...i have been trying to get someone to go find her for over an hopur now..this is not a joke ....i hope you get this soon...you can call me on my cell 253v 439 9515 or the house phone 253 843 4107.. sorry i cant type well they wedre heading south bound between 4 and 5 miles from the turn off onto the highway going southbound the were walking toward traffic on the northbound side..i cant imagine what your going through i'm upset juyst because i cant get anyone to care..i emailed one of the investigators also but dont know whst else to do the men are two big for one person to take on..they are probably way into the woods on fort lewis by now..dear god i hope your daughter gets home soon...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:48:52 PM
I also haven't seen the word cadaver in any of the official news reports. I wonder if that's accurate

oh hmmm, well lets hope they have not said cadaver then


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Northern Rose on July 28, 2009, 05:49:03 PM
I also haven't seen the word cadaver in any of the official news reports. I wonder if that's accurate

We are sharing a brain on that one Jesse.  Nothing about Cadaver and nothing about searching house to house  from any of the news reports. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 05:52:15 PM
Roy, Washington WA = Pierce County

Roy Washington - now isn't that interesting. 
Could you explain  ::MonkeyConfused::

Well, if you don't drink the kool aide just because LE is serving it.............. then this posted by DD become the basis  for my comment that :  isn't that interesting.
From page 90:  DD said:
so where was adam on july 23rd?  was he still in another state, or did he make a trip back to washington with someone?

and being he has a ROY address as one of his addresses, was he in the ROY area on the 23rd?

when did smiley get arrested?  the date?

and how many kids were there ?  was Lindsey ONE OF THE STOLEN KIDS?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:53:02 PM
then we have Jeffrey Richard Smiley,  from pierce county at ft lewis in the woods also arrested july 21. 

so any number of things could be going on, OR connected.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::
This one says search dogs......

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20204468/detail.html


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

And I say I'm just happy they are searching!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:56:24 PM
this is a HUGE what if but.... what if...

smiley had lindsey out in those woods in one of his DENs... he gets arrested.. she is left out there, so someone goes to get her, they are seen dragging her down the road.  this would be two days later.  both there at ft lewis woods. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 05:57:52 PM
Maybe they have both. But I tend to believe the one that says search dogs. Why? Because it says the heat and conditions make the scent trail difficult, which is the case for scent dogs, but not for cadaver dogs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 05:59:27 PM
Maybe they have both. But I tend to believe the one that says search dogs. Why? Because it says the heat and conditions make the scent trail difficult, which is the case for scent dogs, but not for cadaver dogs.
ah, good thinking, you are so right on that, heat would help with cadaver, and gee would you really need a dog for cadaver scent in this heat? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
well answering myself LOL

some residue of a deceased person maybe yes need dogs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 06:00:20 PM
Searchers Brave Heat In Search For Missing McCleary Girl- From KOMO news in seattle
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009
Updated: 2:48 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As temperatures soar near 100, teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary Tuesday conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dogs, are battling the heat as they check up on additional tips and re-check the area hoping to find the girl who has been missing since June 26.

The skyrocketing temperatures are making the search very difficult for people and animals.

"It's really hard. It's hot. It's hot for us; it's hot for the dogs. The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.

Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.

Though the work is hard in the heat, searchers said they're glad to be part of the effort to help bring Lindsey home.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 06:01:31 PM
Maybe they have both. But I tend to believe the one that says search dogs. Why? Because it says the heat and conditions make the scent trail difficult, which is the case for scent dogs, but not for cadaver dogs.
ah, good thinking, you are so right on that, heat would help with cadaver, and gee would you really need a dog for cadaver scent in this heat? 

The article i just posted said that the heat makes it more difficult to pick up the scents.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:05:40 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 06:11:45 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness
I'm thinking they aren't search dogs at all but cadaver dogs.The media said they were going door to door to re talk to people,not that they took the dogs door to door(unless it's cadaver dogs).
I'm thinking they must have gotten a huge tip for them to be out in the middle of day with this heat.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 28, 2009, 06:12:46 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 06:15:57 PM
Thanks for answering about Roy Washington.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 06:20:47 PM
Thanks for answering about Roy Washington.

If you mean me, your welcome.  Other reasons, is if Pierce county is new to this investigation and in McCleary and Adam had a address there, make my mind wonder if their investigation started in Roy, Wa.   My mind takes a tidbit and goes crazy with it sometimes, as you probably already know!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 06:25:19 PM
Has anyone heard from Madibabe since she contacted the police?  I am worried about her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
not to be completely selfish or anything but i really wish we had karak on here right now, however i understand why she can't be.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 06:32:02 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness
I'm thinking they aren't search dogs at all but cadaver dogs.The media said they were going door to door to re talk to people,not that they took the dogs door to door(unless it's cadaver dogs).
I'm thinking they must have gotten a huge tip for them to be out in the middle of day with this heat.

I wish I could read that decal on the dog in that picture from q13.  Typically cadaver dogs have decals that say "Cadaver Search Dog."  Regular search dogs have decals that say "Search Dog" only.  Now, that's not always the case, but if the decal says "Cadaver Search Dog," then we know the answer.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 06:32:48 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness

They were not searching with cadaver dogs a month ago.

I am not being a downer, but I think Lindsay is still in McCleary, and until they DO a house to house search, the area has NOT been cleared.

I understand your feelings, JessStar, and nothing would make me happier than for Lindsay to be found alive.  I believe she will be found close. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 06:33:29 PM
Thanks for answering about Roy Washington.

If you mean me, your welcome.  Other reasons, is if Pierce county is new to this investigation and in McCleary and Adam had a address there, make my mind wonder if their investigation started in Roy, Wa.   My mind takes a tidbit and goes crazy with it sometimes, as you probably already know!
Yes, I mean you, I'm going back and forth between a couple cases  ::MonkeyConfused:: and then couldn't remember who answered, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 06:34:26 PM
Has anyone heard from Madibabe since she contacted the police?  I am worried about her.
I know I was thinking about her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 06:38:38 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness

They were not searching with cadaver dogs a month ago.

I am not being a downer, but I think Lindsay is still in McCleary, and until they DO a house to house search, the area has NOT been cleared.

I understand your feelings, JessStar, and nothing would make me happier than for Lindsay to be found alive.  I believe she will be found close. JMO

I know, Fannie Mae.  My heart tells me one thing, but my mind and experience tell me another.   ::MonkeyWaa::   It would be unusual for Lindsey to have been brought back into the area so that her scent would be picked up by a scent dog.  But weirder things have happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:41:32 PM
Has anyone heard from Madibabe since she contacted the police?  I am worried about her.

she is fine, talked to her today


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:42:33 PM
Thanks for answering about Roy Washington.

If you mean me, your welcome.  Other reasons, is if Pierce county is new to this investigation and in McCleary and Adam had a address there, make my mind wonder if their investigation started in Roy, Wa.   My mind takes a tidbit and goes crazy with it sometimes, as you probably already know!

I have to "wonder" about that also... but could be anything... but is kind of strange timing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:43:51 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness
I'm thinking they aren't search dogs at all but cadaver dogs.The media said they were going door to door to re talk to people,not that they took the dogs door to door(unless it's cadaver dogs).
I'm thinking they must have gotten a huge tip for them to be out in the middle of day with this heat.

I wish I could read that decal on the dog in that picture from q13.  Typically cadaver dogs have decals that say "Cadaver Search Dog."  Regular search dogs have decals that say "Search Dog" only.  Now, that's not always the case, but if the decal says "Cadaver Search Dog," then we know the answer.



do you have a link to the photo, I will try to see


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 06:46:07 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness

They were not searching with cadaver dogs a month ago.

I am not being a downer, but I think Lindsay is still in McCleary, and until they DO a house to house search, the area has NOT been cleared.

I understand your feelings, JessStar, and nothing would make me happier than for Lindsay to be found alive.  I believe she will be found close. JMO

I'm not sure if you meant I thought they had cadaver dogs a month ago... yes, "I" know they didn't, I meant the trailing dogs for live scent a month ago, remember they tried to say there was NO SCENT... this is what I am saying, if the really didn't have any trailing LIVE scent a month ago, what makes them think it is there NOW, unless she is alive and wandering around somewhere?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 06:57:10 PM
Sorry, I'm back on mobile and can't post the link to the dog. But it is a few posts back where someone posted the link to the article. The post says "this one says cadaver dogs."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 06:58:50 PM
Has anyone heard from Madibabe since she contacted the police?  I am worried about her.

she is fine, talked to her today

Good! thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 07:00:07 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness
I'm thinking they aren't search dogs at all but cadaver dogs.The media said they were going door to door to re talk to people,not that they took the dogs door to door(unless it's cadaver dogs).
I'm thinking they must have gotten a huge tip for them to be out in the middle of day with this heat.

I wish I could read that decal on the dog in that picture from q13.  Typically cadaver dogs have decals that say "Cadaver Search Dog."  Regular search dogs have decals that say "Search Dog" only.  Now, that's not always the case, but if the decal says "Cadaver Search Dog," then we know the answer.



do you have a link to the photo, I will try to see

Klaas is good at zooming in on things too. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 28, 2009, 07:01:51 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 07:01:56 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 07:03:26 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness

They were not searching with cadaver dogs a month ago.

I am not being a downer, but I think Lindsay is still in McCleary, and until they DO a house to house search, the area has NOT been cleared.

I understand your feelings, JessStar, and nothing would make me happier than for Lindsay to be found alive.  I believe she will be found close. JMO

I'm not sure if you meant I thought they had cadaver dogs a month ago... yes, "I" know they didn't, I meant the trailing dogs for live scent a month ago, remember they tried to say there was NO SCENT... this is what I am saying, if the really didn't have any trailing LIVE scent a month ago, what makes them think it is there NOW, unless she is alive and wandering around somewhere?   ::MonkeyConfused::

No, I didn't think you thought they were looking for her with cadaver dogs a month ago. There are search dogs, and there are search dogs. From what I have read, it was doubtful of the training that the first search dogs had. But maybe they should have used cadaver dogs at that time too. I really don't feel that Lindsay lived very much longer than the last time she was seen. It just seems the McCleary PD and the Grays County Sheriff's office skipped some of the most obvious things. There was even a lot of confusion about her route home, and if they did or did not pick up a scent. I have read both.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 07:04:01 PM
whoops sorry MB.  I sent it to Klaas too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 07:05:54 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

Just gets too blurry when you zoom in too close.  We'll have to assume they mean cadaver dogs if that's what they are saying:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/48332146.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: MuffyBee on July 28, 2009, 07:09:49 PM
whoops sorry MB.  I sent it to Klaas too.

 ::MonkeyAngel:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 07:14:48 PM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumdog2.jpg)(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumdog1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 07:17:03 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness
I'm thinking they aren't search dogs at all but cadaver dogs.The media said they were going door to door to re talk to people,not that they took the dogs door to door(unless it's cadaver dogs).
I'm thinking they must have gotten a huge tip for them to be out in the middle of day with this heat.

I wish I could read that decal on the dog in that picture from q13.  Typically cadaver dogs have decals that say "Cadaver Search Dog."  Regular search dogs have decals that say "Search Dog" only.  Now, that's not always the case, but if the decal says "Cadaver Search Dog," then we know the answer.


Ahh,anyone have the pic of the dog/s to blow up and see?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 07:18:17 PM
I'd like to throw some information out here that I've gathered over the last few days.

I started following up on the Wil Phernetton subject.  If you recall, he's the kid from Aberdeen who listens to that horrible music about dying fetuses.

I think I checked out every friend and family member he had, or at least looked at them.  For some reason, I saw a common family member named Dan Phernetton and looked at him a little, mainly cause there was something in his face that told me to look deeper.  But it really didn't materialize much.  He lives in Battle Ground, Wash. 

Then I moved on to Adam Lee Campbell and went about as far as I could go on him.  Then something struck me about his MS pages.  And in one search result that came up on him, it was for Adam Lee Adam Lee Campbell.  So, on a hunch, I started researching just Adam Lee (without the Campbell).  Well, I almost vomited when the same address for Adam Lee came up that matched exactly with Dan Phernetton.  The address is 300 SW 7th Ave. Battleground, Wash.  My research buddy did a property search and the 10 acre property was listed as a gift and is now owned jointly by Danny and Dana Pernetton.  Dana uses her maiden (assumed) name Craft often.  They live in unit 808.  It's a mobile home park called Battlefield Mobile Home Estates.  It is for sale.  Now, as I say, I searched this on a hunch, and to save everyone from getting too excited, there's a possibility that this is just a coincidence that there's an Adam Lee (without Campbell) associated with a Phernetton (SO who was arrested recently in Montesano) person of the same name as the SO and the kid in Aberdeen.  But I think it's worth mentioning.

Adam Lee also resides or did reside at 300 SW 7th Ave.  Battle Ground, Washington 98604 in unit 505.

I have associated emails for Adam Lee.  Can I post those here? 

I also found Adam Campbell in Roy, Washington, as DD did, and I have an associated t-mobile phone for that address as well.  But I am sure you already have that DD.

And I have a ton of emails on Adam Campbell on Yakima addresses.  If they can be posted here, I would like to share them so that someone smarter than me can check their validity with Adam Lee Campbell.

Okay, that's all for Adam Lee and Dan Phernetton. 

I have some more stuff but I will post it separately.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 07:28:47 PM
fleezy also shows up on wil's page and vice versa and they are friends.  fleezy is kara's nephew.  hmm KimC this is interesting stuff you just posted.  if adam MIGHT tie to them and they to Kara, that is just "something". 

maybe we better go through all this. 

adam lee campbell's myspace name is adam lee. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 07:31:07 PM
The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.
________________________

well if there was no scent a month ago, what makes them think there is one now?   ::MonkeyConfused::

if it wore away before like they tried to say it did, it is still there NOW ::MonkeyConfused::

or is she alive and back in McCleary? 

does any of this make sense?

and going door to door... is that really what they are doing?  they don't know what house she is suppose to be in, or where she is, and there was no scent before, but there is now they are searching for, so what the heck. 

because pierce county is involved ?  or what? 

trying to analyze this craziness

They were not searching with cadaver dogs a month ago.

I am not being a downer, but I think Lindsay is still in McCleary, and until they DO a house to house search, the area has NOT been cleared.

I understand your feelings, JessStar, and nothing would make me happier than for Lindsay to be found alive.  I believe she will be found close. JMO

I'm not sure if you meant I thought they had cadaver dogs a month ago... yes, "I" know they didn't, I meant the trailing dogs for live scent a month ago, remember they tried to say there was NO SCENT... this is what I am saying, if the really didn't have any trailing LIVE scent a month ago, what makes them think it is there NOW, unless she is alive and wandering around somewhere?   ::MonkeyConfused::
Or they only have cadaver dogs there now :*(
I would love it if she did run away for a month(because of her brother)and has now decided she wanted to come back home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167 (http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167).  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us (http://www.familywatchdog.us).  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 28, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

Just gets too blurry when you zoom in too close.  We'll have to assume they mean cadaver dogs if that's what they are saying:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/48332146.jpg)

The Logo shown is the same one as here:
German Shepard Search Dogs of Washington State
http://www.gssd.org/
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/charactercounts/GSSDpatch25.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 07:41:40 PM
http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss
Thanks, the poor animal and the heat.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 07:42:55 PM
Quote
From DD   
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1927 on: Today at 06:28:47 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
fleezy also shows up on wil's page and vice versa and they are friends.  fleezy is kara's nephew.  hmm KimC this is interesting stuff you just posted.  if adam MIGHT tie to them and they to Kara, that is just "something".

maybe we better go through all this.

adam lee campbell's myspace name is adam lee.

Yes, precisely, just had this little naggy voice that said, search for Adam Lee, just like on the MS pages.  I sure have some interesting emails that I am dying to post.  You will find them particularly interesting, DD.  But someone tell me if I can post emails here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 07:46:44 PM
Thanks KimC, a lot to digest.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 07:47:19 PM
Quote
From DD   
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1927 on: Today at 06:28:47 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
fleezy also shows up on wil's page and vice versa and they are friends.  fleezy is kara's nephew.  hmm KimC this is interesting stuff you just posted.  if adam MIGHT tie to them and they to Kara, that is just "something".

maybe we better go through all this.

adam lee campbell's myspace name is adam lee.

Yes, precisely, just had this little naggy voice that said, search for Adam Lee, just like on the MS pages.  I sure have some interesting emails that I am dying to post.  You will find them particularly interesting, DD.  But someone tell me if I can post emails here.

well I don't know, but I have been posting them.  klaas told me no phone numbers and no ss #'s ... so not sure what to tell you, should be a MOD around here somewhere


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 07:48:18 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

Just gets too blurry when you zoom in too close.  We'll have to assume they mean cadaver dogs if that's what they are saying:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/48332146.jpg)

The Logo shown is the same one as here:
German Shepard Search Dogs of Washington State
http://www.gssd.org/
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/charactercounts/GSSDpatch25.jpg)
Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
I'm going to find them particularly interesting am I haha, why are they to me?  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on July 28, 2009, 07:50:25 PM
The WSP has this on their site....for Josh maybe?


Juvenile Firesetting Intervention — The Office of the State Fire Marshal has formed a multi-disciplinary coalition to expand and enhance youth firesetting intervention programs across Washington State.


http://www.wsp.wa.gov/community/outreach.htm




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on July 28, 2009, 07:50:46 PM
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167 (http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167).  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us (http://www.familywatchdog.us).  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.





Well this is getting very interesting indeed.  Thanks for all the great info Kim


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on July 28, 2009, 07:53:36 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

Just gets too blurry when you zoom in too close.  We'll have to assume they mean cadaver dogs if that's what they are saying:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/48332146.jpg)

The Logo shown is the same one as here:
German Shepherd Search Dogs of Washington State
http://www.gssd.org/
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/charactercounts/GSSDpatch25.jpg)
Can't find an edit button - & I hate spelling mistakes -
German Shepherd Search Dogs of Washington State
Sometimes my Boston accent gets in the way :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: rebelgirl901 on July 28, 2009, 07:55:13 PM
Interesting that they mentioned using a search and rescue team as opposed to search and recovery. Maybe I'm reading too much into that, but rescue teams are used when the expectation is that the person will be found alive. Recovery teams are used for the alternative.

You are correct about the difference between rescue & recovery. However, where I live our units are called "Search & Rescue" unit and they do it all.  They are not separate units.  It may be different in other states but the states around here are pretty much the same.

It may mean they know she is no longer alive or it may just mean they are still looking for a missing person.  It's hard to say, as they aren't releasing much information and sometimes SAR is a general term.

Anyway, just thought I'd mention what I know about "Search & Rescue"   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 07:56:44 PM
<Snipped>


This one says cadaver dogs......

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-072809-mccleary,0,4668836.story?track=rss

Just gets too blurry when you zoom in too close.  We'll have to assume they mean cadaver dogs if that's what they are saying:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/48332146.jpg)

The Logo shown is the same one as here:
German Shepard Search Dogs of Washington State
http://www.gssd.org/
(http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m215/charactercounts/GSSDpatch25.jpg)

Thanks Haddie - that's it.  Unfortunately they have both Search and Cadaver dogs so it really doesn't answer the question.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 28, 2009, 07:59:29 PM
KLAAS........I'll change this one. I am watching this and Nat's too, lol. I'll hang here.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 08:04:14 PM
    
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1929 on: Today at 06:38:49 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167.  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us.  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.


 (http://Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1929 on: Today at 06:38:49 PM »
Reply with quoteQuote
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167.  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us.  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.)

I can't seem to get this photo to paste in here.  Anybody?  http://www.familywatchdog.us.  Just type in Karl S. Goering and Kennewick Wash and it'll come up.  Thanks to anyone for any help with this.  Junkie, I bet you're a whiz at this kind of thing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 08:05:04 PM
KLAAS........I'll change this one. I am watching this and Nat's too, lol. I'll hang here.  ::MonkeyCool::

OK Nut, thanks!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 08:10:36 PM
   
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1929 on: Today at 06:38:49 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167.  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us.  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.


 (http://Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1929 on: Today at 06:38:49 PM »
Reply with quoteQuote
Okay, here's something else.  Different subject, sort of.

There's an SO in Kennewick, and I think DD may have touched on that location sometime today.  This SO seems to be flying under the radar in Washington State.  Here's the skinny.

He came up sort of accidentally in an Adam Walsh Watchdog site.  He is not included on the Washington State SO website but is listed as non-compliant on the AW Watchdog site.

His name is Karl S. Goering and he's a junior according to a new email I just found on him.

He has a MS page, and a Fubar.com website that "hold onto your socks" is quite provocative, to say the least, but at least it seems like he's into the big girls now.  His username is KarlKraze1 for the Fubar and the address is http://www.fubar.com/user/1373167.  On one of the MS pages I found for him, with his photo, he is also using the last name of Williams.  He has two addresses.

1506 W. 6th Ave. Kennewick, Washington
and
307 S. Main, Pasco, Washington (this is quite near Kennewick)

I will see if I can post his photo separately in another post.  But if you all want you can go to:

http://www.familywatchdog.us.  And you will just have to enter his name and location.  Karl S. Goering  Kennewick, Washington.  The photo is accurate when compared to his Fubar page.

Anyway, we found another Karl S. Goering in Kennewick.  Guess what?  He's a detective.  I suspect that it's Karl Jr's dad.  I think he may be retired, but this SO Karl S. Goering is non-compliant according to the Family Watchdog site but is not listed anywhere on the Washington State SO site or the National Sex Offender site, for that matter.)

I can't seem to get this photo to paste in here.  Anybody?  http://www.familywatchdog.us.  Just type in Karl S. Goering and Kennewick Wash and it'll come up.  Thanks to anyone for any help with this.  Junkie, I bet you're a whiz at this kind of thing.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KarlGoernig.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
Does this guy resemble Adam Campbell?  Maybe a little.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 08:18:31 PM
Does this guy resemble Adam Campbell?  Maybe a little.

Mustache and the hair color is close.  Hard to tell in these photos.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: sunshine12 on July 28, 2009, 08:18:31 PM
just wanted to say that i could seee karl goering and adam campbell resembling eachother


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 08:28:41 PM
Quote
From DD   
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #1927 on: Today at 06:28:47 PM »
   Reply with quoteQuote
fleezy also shows up on wil's page and vice versa and they are friends.  fleezy is kara's nephew.  hmm KimC this is interesting stuff you just posted.  if adam MIGHT tie to them and they to Kara, that is just "something".

maybe we better go through all this.

adam lee campbell's myspace name is adam lee.

Yes, precisely, just had this little naggy voice that said, search for Adam Lee, just like on the MS pages.  I sure have some interesting emails that I am dying to post.  You will find them particularly interesting, DD.  But someone tell me if I can post emails here.

In addition to the Adam Lee find in Battle Ground, I also found Adam Lee Adam Lee in a results page for archery supplies in Mississippi.  Now, I know you said, DD, that Adam was two states away, and this probably isn't him.  But you all can decide.  Here's all I have. 

Adam Lee Adam Lee

http://www.3dshoots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7681 (http://www.3dshoots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7681)
Adam Lee selling a nice bow to a guy.  Later he shows up on a do not do business with list.
The Adam Lee in Florence, Mississippi is is on an Archery/Bow Hunter Forum list of “Do not do business with”  He is toward the bottom

http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/announcement.php?f=8&a=97 (http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/announcement.php?f=8&a=97)
This is the link for the Adam Lee who was found guilty of poaching after an undercover officer arrested the four, "Kill Em All Gang."

http://skinnymoose.com/stabley/category/adam-lee/ (http://skinnymoose.com/stabley/category/adam-lee/)
Could be that Adam Lee in Mississippi is the Adam Lee Poacher.  Don't know.


Adam (no last name) on MySpace No address.  http://profile.myspace.com/222145686 (http://profile.myspace.com/222145686)
Here’s an Email address:  alee410@hotmail.com (http://alee410@hotmail.com)  Email corresponds to the archery 3-D Shoots Sale.
Got a no result when I searched more on this email.

Searched outfitter. 
The Outfitter:  http://www.theoutfitter.org/currentsale.htm (http://www.theoutfitter.org/currentsale.htm)
Bows and Arrows
Located the business The Outfitters at 1760 Highway 49 S, Florence, MS



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 08:44:25 PM
Kim C...

it is my PERSONAL opinion Adam Lee Campbell could be anywhere at any time as he is homeless and could move anywhere with anyone.  He could meet up with someone and get in a vehicle and drive across the USA and back.  He could hook up with anyone anywhere on the way etc.  He could stay a few days and go somewhere else or back to where he came from.  I believe adam is very mobile. 

I don't know what the police believe about him moving around or staying in one place.  but I believe he could go and be anywhere any day.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 28, 2009, 08:50:45 PM
Searchers Brave Heat In Search For Missing McCleary Girl- From KOMO news in seattle
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009
Updated: 2:48 pm PDT July 28, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As temperatures soar near 100, teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary Tuesday conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dogs, are battling the heat as they check up on additional tips and re-check the area hoping to find the girl who has been missing since June 26.

The skyrocketing temperatures are making the search very difficult for people and animals.

"It's really hard. It's hot. It's hot for us; it's hot for the dogs. The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.

Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.

Though the work is hard in the heat, searchers said they're glad to be part of the effort to help bring Lindsey home.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.

THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by her both going to and coming from the Kampen/Williams residence.

Janet

++++++

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 09:10:18 PM
Does anyone know if they used bloodhounds in the initial search for Lindsay? Why I am asking, is well-trained bloodhounds can follow the scent of a person even in a vehicle. There was one case where the dog followed the person on the interstate.

The prison close to where I lived had some bloodhounds to track escapee's, and they also used them for lost and abducted people. They can track a person even after long periods of time. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
Does anyone know if they used bloodhounds in the initial search for Lindsay? Why I am asking, is well-trained bloodhounds can follow the scent of a person even in a vehicle. There was one case where the dog followed the person on the interstate.

The prison close to where I lived had some bloodhounds to track escapee's, and they also used them for lost and abducted people. They can track a person even after long periods of time. JMO

yes they can so none of this "there is NO scent" ever made any sense to me at all.  But the thing is they did have some scent.  they just are not telling us.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 09:13:42 PM
Does anyone know if they used bloodhounds in the initial search for Lindsay? Why I am asking, is well-trained bloodhounds can follow the scent of a person even in a vehicle. There was one case where the dog followed the person on the interstate.

The prison close to where I lived had some bloodhounds to track escapee's, and they also used them for lost and abducted people. They can track a person even after long periods of time. JMO

Looks like you already answered my question, Janet. Sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 09:18:32 PM
Does anyone know if they used bloodhounds in the initial search for Lindsay? Why I am asking, is well-trained bloodhounds can follow the scent of a person even in a vehicle. There was one case where the dog followed the person on the interstate.

The prison close to where I lived had some bloodhounds to track escapee's, and they also used them for lost and abducted people. They can track a person even after long periods of time. JMO

yes they can so none of this "there is NO scent" ever made any sense to me at all.  But the thing is they did have some scent.  they just are not telling us.

Or, they are inept, or they are covering up something. There is no logic to what they are doing or saying.  JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
I'd like to throw some information out here that I've gathered over the last few days.

I started following up on the Wil Phernetton subject.  If you recall, he's the kid from Aberdeen who listens to that horrible music about dying fetuses.

I think I checked out every friend and family member he had, or at least looked at them.  For some reason, I saw a common family member named Dan Phernetton and looked at him a little, mainly cause there was something in his face that told me to look deeper.  But it really didn't materialize much.  He lives in Battle Ground, Wash. 

Then I moved on to Adam Lee Campbell and went about as far as I could go on him.  Then something struck me about his MS pages.  And in one search result that came up on him, it was for Adam Lee Adam Lee Campbell.  So, on a hunch, I started researching just Adam Lee (without the Campbell).  Well, I almost vomited when the same address for Adam Lee came up that matched exactly with Dan Phernetton.  The address is 300 SW 7th Ave. Battleground, Wash.  My research buddy did a property search and the 10 acre property was listed as a gift and is now owned jointly by Danny and Dana Pernetton.  Dana uses her maiden (assumed) name Craft often.  They live in unit 808.  It's a mobile home park called Battlefield Mobile Home Estates.  It is for sale.  Now, as I say, I searched this on a hunch, and to save everyone from getting too excited, there's a possibility that this is just a coincidence that there's an Adam Lee (without Campbell) associated with a Phernetton (SO who was arrested recently in Montesano) person of the same name as the SO and the kid in Aberdeen.  But I think it's worth mentioning.

Adam Lee also resides or did reside at 300 SW 7th Ave.  Battle Ground, Washington 98604 in unit 505.

I have associated emails for Adam Lee.  Can I post those here? 

I also found Adam Campbell in Roy, Washington, as DD did, and I have an associated t-mobile phone for that address as well.  But I am sure you already have that DD.

And I have a ton of emails on Adam Campbell on Yakima addresses.  If they can be posted here, I would like to share them so that someone smarter than me can check their validity with Adam Lee Campbell.

Okay, that's all for Adam Lee and Dan Phernetton. 

I have some more stuff but I will post it separately.

Okay DD.   I am posting these email addresses associated with the Adam Lee at the residence at the Battlefield Mobile Home Estates in Battle Ground, Washington (same address as Dan Phernetton).  You will find these interesting and nothing further came up in another search I did.
kael[color=red]loch[/color]lain@aol.com - no profile found on aol for this email
gaellochlain@yahoo.com - Adam Lee at the above address
terraillonarden@aol.com - Adam Lee at the above address.  The only thing I found on this is that Terraillon is beauty product by Elizabeth Arden. 

If you don't have all the emails for the Adam Campbell in Yakima, I have a bunch of them at various addresses.  But you may already have those.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 09:28:06 PM
Kim C...

it is my PERSONAL opinion Adam Lee Campbell could be anywhere at any time as he is homeless and could move anywhere with anyone.  He could meet up with someone and get in a vehicle and drive across the USA and back.  He could hook up with anyone anywhere on the way etc.  He could stay a few days and go somewhere else or back to where he came from.  I believe adam is very mobile. 

I don't know what the police believe about him moving around or staying in one place.  but I believe he could go and be anywhere any day.

I totally agree and that may be what we have here.  I don't really know until we or someone can verify some of these email addresses.  Once they are verified to belonging to THE ADAM LEE CAMPBELL, perhaps we can trace somehow?? the pings and echos and all that stuff that's way beyond me to see if there's a pattern of travel or movement.  I'm sure LE or FBI has that capability?  Or maybe others, I don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 09:31:04 PM
Does this guy resemble Adam Campbell?  Maybe a little.


Mustache and the hair color is close.  Hard to tell in these photos.

He's got that one wandering eye that many SO's seem to have.  Look at that Lawless family!  Jeesh!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 28, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
I'd like to throw some information out here that I've gathered over the last few days.

I started following up on the Wil Phernetton subject.  If you recall, he's the kid from Aberdeen who listens to that horrible music about dying fetuses.

I think I checked out every friend and family member he had, or at least looked at them.  For some reason, I saw a common family member named Dan Phernetton and looked at him a little, mainly cause there was something in his face that told me to look deeper.  But it really didn't materialize much.  He lives in Battle Ground, Wash. 

Then I moved on to Adam Lee Campbell and went about as far as I could go on him.  Then something struck me about his MS pages.  And in one search result that came up on him, it was for Adam Lee Adam Lee Campbell.  So, on a hunch, I started researching just Adam Lee (without the Campbell).  Well, I almost vomited when the same address for Adam Lee came up that matched exactly with Dan Phernetton.  The address is 300 SW 7th Ave. Battleground, Wash.  My research buddy did a property search and the 10 acre property was listed as a gift and is now owned jointly by Danny and Dana Pernetton.  Dana uses her maiden (assumed) name Craft often.  They live in unit 808.  It's a mobile home park called Battlefield Mobile Home Estates.  It is for sale.  Now, as I say, I searched this on a hunch, and to save everyone from getting too excited, there's a possibility that this is just a coincidence that there's an Adam Lee (without Campbell) associated with a Phernetton (SO who was arrested recently in Montesano) person of the same name as the SO and the kid in Aberdeen.  But I think it's worth mentioning.

Adam Lee also resides or did reside at 300 SW 7th Ave.  Battle Ground, Washington 98604 in unit 505.

I have associated emails for Adam Lee.  Can I post those here? 

I also found Adam Campbell in Roy, Washington, as DD did, and I have an associated t-mobile phone for that address as well.  But I am sure you already have that DD.

And I have a ton of emails on Adam Campbell on Yakima addresses.  If they can be posted here, I would like to share them so that someone smarter than me can check their validity with Adam Lee Campbell.

Okay, that's all for Adam Lee and Dan Phernetton. 

I have some more stuff but I will post it separately.
::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 09:39:37 PM
I'd like to throw some information out here that I've gathered over the last few days.

I started following up on the Wil Phernetton subject.  If you recall, he's the kid from Aberdeen who listens to that horrible music about dying fetuses.

I think I checked out every friend and family member he had, or at least looked at them.  For some reason, I saw a common family member named Dan Phernetton and looked at him a little, mainly cause there was something in his face that told me to look deeper.  But it really didn't materialize much.  He lives in Battle Ground, Wash. 

Then I moved on to Adam Lee Campbell and went about as far as I could go on him.  Then something struck me about his MS pages.  And in one search result that came up on him, it was for Adam Lee Adam Lee Campbell.  So, on a hunch, I started researching just Adam Lee (without the Campbell).  Well, I almost vomited when the same address for Adam Lee came up that matched exactly with Dan Phernetton.  The address is 300 SW 7th Ave. Battleground, Wash.  My research buddy did a property search and the 10 acre property was listed as a gift and is now owned jointly by Danny and Dana Pernetton.  Dana uses her maiden (assumed) name Craft often.  They live in unit 808.  It's a mobile home park called Battlefield Mobile Home Estates.  It is for sale.  Now, as I say, I searched this on a hunch, and to save everyone from getting too excited, there's a possibility that this is just a coincidence that there's an Adam Lee (without Campbell) associated with a Phernetton (SO who was arrested recently in Montesano) person of the same name as the SO and the kid in Aberdeen.  But I think it's worth mentioning.

Adam Lee also resides or did reside at 300 SW 7th Ave.  Battle Ground, Washington 98604 in unit 505.

I have associated emails for Adam Lee.  Can I post those here? 

I also found Adam Campbell in Roy, Washington, as DD did, and I have an associated t-mobile phone for that address as well.  But I am sure you already have that DD.

And I have a ton of emails on Adam Campbell on Yakima addresses.  If they can be posted here, I would like to share them so that someone smarter than me can check their validity with Adam Lee Campbell.

Okay, that's all for Adam Lee and Dan Phernetton. 

I have some more stuff but I will post it separately.

Okay DD.   I am posting these email addresses associated with the Adam Lee at the residence at the Battlefield Mobile Home Estates in Battle Ground, Washington (same address as Dan Phernetton).  You will find these interesting and nothing further came up in another search I did.
kael[color=red]loch[/color]lain@aol.com - no profile found on aol for this email
gaellochlain@yahoo.com - Adam Lee at the above address
terraillonarden@aol.com - Adam Lee at the above address.  The only thing I found on this is that Terraillon is beauty product by Elizabeth Arden. 

If you don't have all the emails for the Adam Campbell in Yakima, I have a bunch of them at various addresses.  But you may already have those.


to tell you the truth I never tried to look for all his emails.. I just tried to find HIM>  LOL

I'm trying to understand the above.
oh I see now that I figure out where you red'd it.  wow.  haha
when were these emails started I wonder? 
wow look at the 2nd one ... unreal
not sure about the 3rd one but can guess on that. 

pretty weird to say the least. 

can you find him on aim?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Deenie on July 28, 2009, 10:01:35 PM
 ::MonkeyDance:: DD nanners



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: Deenie on July 28, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
I don't understand this Article - just posted 17 mins ago on the Net.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535201,00.html?test=latestnews

Police Receive New Tips, Continue Search for Missing Washington Girl

 Search and rescue teams are combing areas around where a 10-year-old Washington girl disappeared last month after police received numerous tips, local FOX affiliate Q13 reports.

Lindsay Baum vanished June 26 as she walked from her friend's house to her own home. Her mother called police when she didn't return that evening.

Undersheriff Rick Scott says so far in the investigation they've received about 700 tips.

"This is a girl with no means, no money, and no true opportunity to leave. We have nothing specifically that is pointing us in any direction that is going to allow us to rule out any scenario ... this may be a worst case scenario criminal investigation involving a predator or predatory behavior," Scott told Q13.

Several agencies, including the FBI, Crime Stoppers and the Pierce County Sheriff's Office, are assisting in the search.

In June, Baum's mother said she believed her daughter is alive but has been kidnapped and taken out of the area.

The article is a repeat of 100's of articles that have been written - Nothing stated new in this News. Other than the words of the Title of the Article itself.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 10:18:14 PM
well that is strange they repeat the same article from long ago.  what is in there they want to repeat exactly?  anything?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: JessStar on July 28, 2009, 10:25:02 PM
Maybe just the desire to keep the story alive and in the national media.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: doubledecker on July 28, 2009, 10:38:04 PM
Maybe just the desire to keep the story alive and in the national media.

you are probably right LOL, just my brain.  think I will go rest for awhile


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: KimC on July 28, 2009, 10:41:38 PM
I'd like to throw some information out here that I've gathered over the last few days.

I started following up on the Wil Phernetton subject.  If you recall, he's the kid from Aberdeen who listens to that horrible music about dying fetuses.

I think I checked out every friend and family member he had, or at least looked at them.  For some reason, I saw a common family member named Dan Phernetton and looked at him a little, mainly cause there was something in his face that told me to look deeper.  But it really didn't materialize much.  He lives in Battle Ground, Wash. 

Then I moved on to Adam Lee Campbell and went about as far as I could go on him.  Then something struck me about his MS pages.  And in one search result that came up on him, it was for Adam Lee Adam Lee Campbell.  So, on a hunch, I started researching just Adam Lee (without the Campbell).  Well, I almost vomited when the same address for Adam Lee came up that matched exactly with Dan Phernetton.  The address is 300 SW 7th Ave. Battleground, Wash.  My research buddy did a property search and the 10 acre property was listed as a gift and is now owned jointly by Danny and Dana Pernetton.  Dana uses her maiden (assumed) name Craft often.  They live in unit 808.  It's a mobile home park called Battlefield Mobile Home Estates.  It is for sale.  Now, as I say, I searched this on a hunch, and to save everyone from getting too excited, there's a possibility that this is just a coincidence that there's an Adam Lee (without Campbell) associated with a Phernetton (SO who was arrested recently in Montesano) person of the same name as the SO and the kid in Aberdeen.  But I think it's worth mentioning.

Adam Lee also resides or did reside at 300 SW 7th Ave.  Battle Ground, Washington 98604 in unit 505.

I have associated emails for Adam Lee.  Can I post those here? 

I also found Adam Campbell in Roy, Washington, as DD did, and I have an associated t-mobile phone for that address as well.  But I am sure you already have that DD.

And I have a ton of emails on Adam Campbell on Yakima addresses.  If they can be posted here, I would like to share them so that someone smarter than me can check their validity with Adam Lee Campbell.

Okay, that's all for Adam Lee and Dan Phernetton. 

I have some more stuff but I will post it separately.

Okay DD.   I am posting these email addresses associated with the Adam Lee at the residence at the Battlefield Mobile Home Estates in Battle Ground, Washington (same address as Dan Phernetton).  You will find these interesting and nothing further came up in another search I did.
kael[color=red]loch[/color]lain@aol.com - no profile found on aol for this email
gaellochlain@yahoo.com - Adam Lee at the above address
terraillonarden@aol.com - Adam Lee at the above address.  The only thing I found on this is that Terraillon is beauty product by Elizabeth Arden. 

If you don't have all the emails for the Adam Campbell in Yakima, I have a bunch of them at various addresses.  But you may already have those.


to tell you the truth I never tried to look for all his emails.. I just tried to find HIM>  LOL

I'm trying to understand the above.
oh I see now that I figure out where you red'd it.  wow.  haha
when were these emails started I wonder? 
wow look at the 2nd one ... unreal
not sure about the 3rd one but can guess on that. 

pretty weird to say the least. 

can you find him on aim?

 

Yes, these emails are attached to the address in Battle Ground, Washington.  300 SW 7th Ave. #505  Battle Ground. As you said in a previous post, perhaps he met up with somebody in prison, and they tell him of this SO Phernetton that they ran into and how the family has this trailer park in Battle Ground and blah, blah, blah.  I just found the address accidentally in my searching.  I track the emails cause sometimes there's more MS pages or other forums that turn up in the search with dates and so forth that we miss when we're just searching names.  Just the way I do it.  But no matter how we do it, we're looking for any way to bring Lindsey home. :smt052 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: AZSunny on July 28, 2009, 10:49:56 PM
Besides the additional expertise provided by the Pierce county police, I wonder if they were brought in to review the info and look with fresh eyes for a new perspective?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 10:59:44 PM
I'm going to go ahead and move to the next thread a little early.  I don't want it to hit page 100 when I'm asleep  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum #2
Post by: klaasend on July 28, 2009, 11:01:24 PM
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Please move to Lindsey Baum #3

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.0