Scared Monkeys Discussion Forum

Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Unsolved Crimes => Topic started by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2009, 06:26:19 PM



Title: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 10, 2009, 06:26:19 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iTAOQx619OXpq7P0Jcpzqc9Zg-cwD99BRHQ84
Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain

By MELISSA NELSON – 26 minutes ago

PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — Investigators asked the public to be on the lookout Friday for a red van they believe carried three men involved in the deaths of a Florida Panhandle couple who were shot in their rural home while eight of their children slept.

Surveillance cameras showed the van at the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Beulah, a rural area west of Pensacola near the Alabama border, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. The children were unharmed.

The sheriff's office released an enhanced but still grainy photograph of a red, 15-passenger van dating to the late 70s or early 80s.

Morgan said investigators did not know who killed the wealthy couple known for adopting children with developmental disabilities, many born to drug-addicted mothers. But they said they wanted to question the three men suspected of involvement in the crime.

"It would be pure speculation. We see many random acts of violence now. We just don't know," he said.

Investigators are also awaiting autopsy results on the couple to learn more about the killings, he added.

Morgan said eight of the children, ages 8 to 14, were in the home when the couple was killed Thursday evening. A woman who lives in an outlying building and helps care for the children called emergency dispatchers from the home.

Deputies had to wake some of the children after they arrived, authorities said.

Investigators interviewed the children, who are now staying with other family members, Morgan said.

The Billings had 16 children, 12 of them adopted. They married 18 years ago and each had two children from previous marriages. The couple then began adopting children with developmental disabilities and other problems.

The couple owned several local businesses, including a fiance company and a used car dealership.

In a 2005 story in the Pensacola News Journal, the couple said they wanted to share their wealth with children in need, but didn't imagine their family would grow so large.

"It just happened," Melanie Byrd told the newspaper. "I just wanted to give them a better life."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: KCJackie on July 11, 2009, 02:13:34 AM
Couple With 16 Children Found Slain
By MELISSA NELSON, AP
posted: 7 HOURS 28 MINUTES

PENSACOLA, Fla. (July 10) - Investigators asked the public to be on the lookout Friday for a red van they believe carried three men involved in the deaths of a Florida Panhandle couple who were shot in their rural home while eight of their children slept.

Surveillance cameras showed the van at the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Beulah, a rural area west of Pensacola near the Alabama border, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. The children were unharmed.

The sheriff's office released an enhanced but still grainy photograph of a red, 15-passenger van dating to the late 1970s or early '80s.
Morgan said investigators did not know who killed the wealthy couple known for adopting children with developmental disabilities, many born to drug-addicted mothers. But they said they wanted to question the three men suspected of involvement in the crime.

"It would be pure speculation. We see many random acts of violence now. We just don't know," he said.
Investigators are also awaiting autopsy results on the couple to learn more about the killings, he added.
Morgan said eight of the children, ages 8 to 14, were in the home when the couple was killed Thursday evening. A woman who lives in an outlying building and helps care for the children called emergency dispatchers from the home.
Deputies had to wake some of the children after they arrived, authorities said.
Investigators interviewed the children, who are now staying with other family members, Morgan said.

The Billings had 16 children, 12 of them adopted. They married 18 years ago and each had two children from previous marriages. The couple then began adopting children with developmental disabilities and other problems.

The couple owned several local businesses, including a fiance company and a used car dealership.
In a 2005 story in the Pensacola News Journal, the couple said they wanted to share their wealth with children in need, but didn't imagine their family would grow so large.
"It just happened," Melanie Byrd told the newspaper. "I just wanted to give them a better life."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 11, 2009, 11:23:52 PM

Sheriff: 'Persons of interest' interviewed
Van thought to be connected to killings found Saturday

TRAVIS GRIGGS • TGRIGGS@PNJ.COM • JULY 11, 2009
[url]http://www.pnj.com/article/20090711/NEWS01/907110322/Sheriff---Persons-of-interest--interviewed&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/url]


Investigators said three attackers who gunned down a couple inside their Beulah home worked quickly and appeared to be experienced.

Investigators were questioning two “persons of interest” Saturday in connection with the shooting deaths of Byrd, 66, and Melanie Billings, 43, on Thursday night, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said.

Video surveillance footage from inside the Billings home shows three people entering through multiple doors and carrying out their attack with “surprising” quickness, Morgan said during a news conference Saturday afternoon.

“It was a very short time span. In and out,” Morgan said. “It suggests experience to me.”

The two people being questioned match images recorded by surveillance equipment during the shooting, and investigators still are searching for a third person seen on the tapes, Morgan said. He did not show or release the surveillance footage to the media.

Morgan said phone calls from residents led investigators Saturday to a red 15-passenger van that resembles the one security cameras recorded at the couple’s home the night of the shooting.

The van was found about 1:30 p.m. behind a mobile home on the 300 block of Palm Court, near W Street and Beverly Parkway.

“About 10 a.m. this morning, we started receiving calls from citizens. ... We were inundated with calls, and finally one of those calls led to the discovery of a van, the registered owner of the van ... and we are currently working the warrants at this time to take the van into custody.”

Morgan said the van led investigators to the “persons of interest” who were being questioned Saturday night.

“I want to emphasize that these are persons of interest. At this time we have not effected any arrests,” Morgan said.

Morgan said the van’s owner is related to one of the “persons of interest” but is not a suspect and has cooperated with investigators.

Crime scene investigators and detectives still were examining the van on the property on which it was found at 7:15 p.m. Saturday.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: califmom on July 12, 2009, 01:43:02 AM


 I just read about this on AOL...   I just don't understand this at all. 

My prayers go out to all of their children!!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 12, 2009, 09:47:53 PM
**Arrest made!!-finally starting to get some of this scum off our the streets!!** ::MonkeyDance::


 http://www.pnj.com/article/20090712/NEWS01/90712004&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL     (http://www.pnj.com/article/20090712/NEWS01/90712004&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2009, 11:16:48 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/12/florida.couple.slain/
 Man accused of evidence tampering in couple's slaying
Jul 12, 2009
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- A Florida man has been arrested on evidence-tampering charges in connection to the killings of a Gulf Coast couple known for adopting special-needs children, a case that has become increasingly "multifaceted," authorities said Sunday.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/07/12/florida.couple.slain/art.pensacola.couple.pnj.jpg)
Byrd and Melanie Billings were found shot to death Thursday night in their home near Pensacola, Florida.
 Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, is accused of trying to modify a van that surveillance cameras captured leaving the slain couple's home, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan told reporters.

He is the first person arrested in connection with the Thursday night shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, "hopefully with many to follow," Morgan said.

Morgan called the investigation "a humdinger" that has become "a window into something bigger," with multiple motives and players involved. But he would provide no details.

"I know this sounds like we're talking in circles," he said. "But at this point, we cannot release that information, because those circles have not been completed."

Gonzalez is not charged with killing the couple, who had eight children ranging in age from infancy to 11 years when they were killed.

Instead, he is charged with trying to alter the appearance of the red Dodge van that surveillance cameras spotted leaving the Billings home in Beulah, west of Pensacola, on Thursday night.
 Gonzalez "was covering damage and painting the van ... so that it would not be readily recognizable," Morgan said. Investigators had distributed pictures and images of the van, and its discovery Saturday was "the linchpin in this case," Morgan said.

Gonzalez was one of two people picked up for questioning Saturday night. Neither Morgan nor the local prosecutor, State Attorney Bill Eddins, would characterize his cooperation with investigators.

Eight children found in the Billings home were unharmed and were being cared for by relatives at "an undisclosed location," Morgan said Saturday night. They range in age from infancy to 11 years, police said


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2009, 11:20:22 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/12/2009-07-12_leonard_gonzalez_arrested_in_murder_of_.html
Leonard Gonzalez arrested in murder of Florida's Byrd and Melanie Billings

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Sunday, July 12th 2009, 8:56 PM
(http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2009/07/13/alg_billings-family.jpg)

This 2005 picture shows Byrd and Melanie Billings with their children, 10 adopted and two biological, at their home in Beulah, Fla.


Authorities in the Florida Panhandle Sunday arrested a man in connection with the slayings of a couple known for their large family of adopted children.

Byrd and Melanie Billings of Beulah, Fla., were killed in their home Thursday as eight of their children slept.

The crime occurred at their rural home west of Pensacola, near the Alabama state line.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan announced at a news conference Sunday that 52-year-old Leonard Gonzalez had been arrested. He said Gonzalez is accused of seeking to paint over a red van that authorities had spotted on a video from the extensive surveillance system at the house.

The couple, who owned several businesses, adopted children with developmental disabilities. Of their 16 children, 12 were adopted.

Officials still don't know why the family was targeted, Morgan said. Police have not said whether anything was stolen from the home, which had nine bedrooms to accommodate the large family.

The couple were well-known locally for having adopted the children. Their businesses included a finance company and a used car dealership.

The house was carefully designed to accommodate the children, according to a story the Pensacola News Journal had written about the family. The couple told the paper they wanted to share their wealth with children in need.





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2009, 11:38:19 PM
Article above indicates Leonard Gonzales has been arrested in this case, and the article I'm posting now doesn't indicate that happened yet, but I'm posting it because it includes additional information not given in previous post.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iTAOQx619OXpq7P0Jcpzqc9Zg-cwD99DA3880
Jul 12, 2009
Fla. sheriff prepares to charge slaying suspect

41 minutes ago


PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — Officials in the Florida Panhandle said late Sunday they were preparing to charge a suspect with open murder in the slaying of a wealthy Florida couple known for adopting children with developmental disabilities.

Escambia County Sheriff's spokesman Sgt. Ted Roy said his office had a suspect in custody but he could not provide additional details. A news conference was scheduled for later Sunday night.

Earlier Sunday, another man, 56-year-old Leonard P. Gonzalez Sr., was charged with evidence tampering. Police said he tried to paint over and hide damage on a red van that was spotted on surveillance video leaving the home where Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death Thursday while eight of their children slept.

Sheriff David Morgan said at a news conference to announce Gonzalez's arrest that he expected more arrests, but did not provide additional details.

"At this time we are looking at multiple persons of interest," he said. "We are very anxious to share this story ... it's going to be a humdinger, I'll tell you that."

Gonzalez, who did not own the van, was still being interviewed Sunday evening and his bond was set at $250,000. A message seeking comment was left at a phone number listed for him in the Pensacola area.

The Billings were killed in their spacious, nine-bedroom home in a rural area west of Pensacola near the Alabama state line. The house had an extensive surveillance system that authorities said captured three apparently experienced criminals swiftly slipping into the house before leaving and driving off in the red van.

Tips from the public led police to the van Saturday.

Officials still haven't said why the family was targeted. Police also have not said whether anything was stolen from the home, which had nine bedrooms to accommodate the large family. The children who were there during the killings, ages 8 to 14, were interviewed by police and are now staying with other family members.

The Billings were a prominent couple who owned several businesses and had 16 children, 12 of them adopted.

They married 18 years ago and each had two children from previous marriages. They eventually started adopting children with developmental disabilities and other problems.

The house was carefully designed to accommodate the children, according to a 2005 story in the Pensacola News Journal. A camera was in every room, and the driveway was long to keep the kids from running into the street. A large swimming pool behind the house was gated.

The couple told the newspaper they wanted to share their wealth with children in need, but didn't imagine their family would grow so large.

"It just happened," she told the newspaper. "I just wanted to give them a better life."

On Sunday, Morgan pledged to find those responsible for the killing.

"This investigation will expand much larger than anyone had anticipated," he said. "I can promise you in coming days we will have many more arrests."



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 12, 2009, 11:42:34 PM
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/6526195.html
2 held on murder charges in Fla. couple's slaying
© 2009 The Associated Press
July 12, 2009, 10:22PM
 PENSACOLA, Fla. — Officials in the Florida Panhandle say they're holding two men on open murder charges in the slaying of a wealthy Florida couple known for adopting children with developmental disabilities.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan says day laborer Wayne Coldiron turned himself in around 9 p.m. EDT Sunday. He says Leonard P. Gonzalez Jr. was arrested later in Santa Rosa County.

Morgan says Coldiron was friends with 56-year-old Leonard P. Gonzalez Sr., who was charged earlier in the day with evidence tampering.

Authorities say the older Gonzalez tried to paint over and hide damage on a red van spotted on surveillance video leaving the home where Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death Thursday while eight of their children slept.

Morgan says more arrests are expected.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 13, 2009, 01:40:58 AM
2 charged with murder in Billings deaths
Suspect charged with tampering with evidence
[url] http://www.pnj.com/article/20090712/NEWS01/90712004&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/url]
REBEKAH ALLEN/RALLEN@PNJ.COM • JULY 12, 2009

 
Two men have been charged with murder in the slayings of a Beulah couple who were the parents of 16 — many who were adopted special needs children.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan announced the arrests of Wayne Coldiron and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. in a 10 p.m. press conference Sunday.



Earlier, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, was charged with tampering with evidence, said Morgan at a press conference in conjunction with State Attorney Bill Eddins.

In the earlier press conference, Morgan was reluctant to release emerging details about the investigation, but said the complexity of the case rivals “a movie script.”

“I’m not prepared to tell you a motive at this time,” he said. “But I will tell you this: We are very anxious to share this story with Escambia County and the nation. ... It’s going to be a humdinger.”

Gonzalez Sr. was one of two people being questioned by investigators as “a person of interest” Saturday. Morgan did not want to discuss Gonzalez’s level of cooperation, but Gonzalez spent several hours Sunday talking to investigators.

A red van seen in surveillance tapes and identified by sheriff’s investigators as the getaway vehicle for the Billings’ shooters, was located Saturday at Gonzalez’s mobile home in the 300 block of Palm Court in Pensacola.

Gonzalez Sr. had attempted to paint and cover damages on the vehicle so it would be less recognizable, Morgan said.

Morgan and Eddins said Gonzalez Sr. is not connected to the family, but they would not specify whether Gonzalez Sr. was directly linked to the killings.

“That’s to be determined,” Eddins said. “We prefer not to comment. At this time he has been arrested for tampering with evidence. There is a possibility other charges will be forthcoming.”

Gonzalez Sr. was not the owner of the vehicle, Morgan said. He also said the owner of the van, who knew Gonzalez Sr., is not a person of interest in the investigation. The van was also not stolen, he said.

Tampering with evidence is a third-degree felony, and Gonzalez Sr. faces a maximum of five years in prison. But Eddins said depending on his previous felonies, Gonzalez Sr. could face as many as 10 years. His bond was set at $250,000.
(2 of 2)

Gonzalez Sr. has gotten into trouble over the years for numerous criminal traffic infractions, including driving under the influence and driving without a license. He has also been charged with misdemeanor drug possession and writing worthless checks.

Eddins assured members of the media the progress of the investigation was moving rapidly and arrests would be made in the future, but he did not want to put a time line on when new arrests might be made.

Morgan also did not limit the number of suspects they are pursuing to three people. He would only say investigators are looking for multiple people, but would not release a specific number.

No family members are currently suspects, Morgan said, nor has the investigation revealed anything that would suggest the compromised integrity of the family.

“The people that were murdered they were good people performing very positive roles in the community,” Eddins said. “This is a very horrible tragedy.”

Because of the nature of the case, Morgan said, Escambia residents are not in any additional danger from the shooters.

Both Morgan and Eddins said Escambia residents will be surprised by the details of the investigation when they are ready to release them.

“This is certainly one of the most complex (cases),” Eddins said. “I’ve seen others that rival this in other parts of the circuit, but as far as Escambia County is concerned, I believe this is this most complex I’ve seen in my 4 1/2 years in office.”

Staff Writer Carlton Proctor contributed to this report.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 13, 2009, 03:35:57 AM
This is getting deep, get your boots on. See this myspace of one of suspects
[url] http://www.myspace.com/maryisabellagonzalez/url]

Also another (third one) has been arrested and being held in Santa Rosa county.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 13, 2009, 03:37:43 AM
sorry for the error in the myspace link
[url]  http://www.myspace.com/maryisabellagonzalez [url]


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 13, 2009, 03:50:23 AM
I still did not get that link right when I tried to post it, but it is correct if you remove the url symbols.
This is Gonzalez Jr., LP Gonzalez Sr has also been arrested as earlier stated. Photos appear on the county website, but I couldn't figure out how to post it here.

http://www.escambiaso.com/inmateLookup.aspx (http://www.escambiaso.com/inmateLookup.aspx)

More info:
GONZALEZ, LEONARD PATRICK

Arrest Information

 
Arrest Number:   200909672
Inmate Number:   141790
Race:   W
Ht.:   5'06
Cell:   INF*225*01
Arresting Agency:   S
 
DOB:  01/31/1974
Hair:    BLN
Eyes:   BLU
 
Arrest Date:   07/13/2009
Expected Release Date*
Sex:   M
Wt.:   185
 
Charge(s) Information
Charge Number:     1
Case Number:   09-17289
Court:   
Court Date:   
Court Time:   
Statute:   782.04
Description:   MURDER
Bond Type:   C/P
Bond Amount:   $1,000,000

Charge Number:     2
Case Number:   09-17289
Court:   
Court Date:   
Court Time:   
Statute:   812.135
Description:   ROBBERY-RESID HOME INVASION
Bond Type:   COM
Bond Amount:   $0


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 13, 2009, 04:31:20 AM
This is just heart breaking. What a wonderful Mother and Father to these beautiful children. The following is Mrs Melanie Billings myspace. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to care for one special needs child much less 12. Melanie and Byrd were truly a God send for these special children.

http://www.myspace.com/melaniebbb (http://www.myspace.com/melaniebbb)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 11:25:32 AM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iTAOQx619OXpq7P0Jcpzqc9Zg-cwD99DK8V01
Motive probed in slaying of Fla. pair with 16 kids
July 13, 2009

PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — Investigators are looking at business ties among other leads for a motive in the slaying of a wealthy Florida couple who adopted 12 children with developmental disabilities and other problems, authorities said Monday.

But there may be multiple motives and more arrests are possible after three men were jailed Sunday, two of them on murder charges in the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings at their sprawling home near Pensacola, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said.

"It began as what we thought was a home invasion. At this point because of the complexity and the ties this family had through the business community, we're moving many other directions. Could be money, could be a whole host of things," Morgan said on the NBC "Today" show.

Morgan also cited the family's business ties in an interview on the CBS "Early Show" but declined to be more specific and said investigators are working on "multiple motives."

Three men have been arrested in connection with the slaying and were scheduled to appear in court Monday and Tuesday.

Day laborer Wayne Coldiron, 41, turned himself in to Escambia County authorities and Leonard P. Gonzalez Jr., 35, was arrested in neighboring Santa Rosa County. Both were charged with murder and with home invasion, according to their arrest warrants. The two were set to have a first court appearance Tuesday.

Authorities also jailed Gonzalez's father, Leonard P. Gonzalez Sr., on a charge of evidence tampering. Police said the 56-year-old tried to paint over and hide damage on a red van that was spotted on surveillance video leaving the Billings home after the shootings Thursday. Gonzalez was due in court Monday.

Eight of the couple's children were asleep in the house when the shootings took place.

Ashley Markham, an adult daughter of the Billings, said the adopted children are together with friends and family at an undisclosed location. The Pensacola News Journal reported that Markham told reporters Monday that she planned to carry on with her parents' legacy.

Asked about the three men arrested, Markham said she had no knowledge of any connection between those men, her parents or any of the children in the household.

"The people who have been arrested, we have no knowledge of them," she said. "Thats all I know."

The Billings were well-respected in the area for providing a home for children with autism, Down syndrome and other developmental problems, and "especially Melanie has been referred to as an angel," the sheriff told CBS.

The elder Gonzalez told investigators that he was the getaway driver and waited in the van while the others broke into the Billings' house and burglarized it, according to warrants released late Sunday. He also told police several other men were involved.

The surveillance video shows three armed, masked suspects arrive in the van, enter the house and then return to the vehicle, the warrants said.

The Billings' nine-bedroom home in a rural area west of Pensacola near the Alabama state line ad an extensive surveillance system that authorities said captured the break-in. Tips from the public led police to the van Saturday.

Morgan said the investigation involves a complex web of relationships between suspects, though he declined to elaborate on them. He said it did not appear that the suspects knew the victims. The younger Gonzalez and Coldiron are friends, the warrants said.

The Billings had 16 children, 12 of them adopted. The children who were there during the killings were aged 8 to 14.

The couple married 18 years ago and each had two children from previous marriages. They eventually started adopting children with developmental disabilities and other problems.

The house was carefully designed to accommodate the children, according to a 2005 story in the Pensacola News Journal. A camera was in every room, and the driveway was long to keep the kids from running into the street. A large swimming pool behind the house was gated.

The couple told the newspaper they wanted to share their wealth with children in need, but didn't imagine their family would grow so large.

"It just happened," Melanie told the newspaper. "I just wanted to give them a better life."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 11:29:09 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/13/florida.couple.slain/
 More arrests planned in slayings of Gulf Coast couple
July 13. 2009
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- Additional arrests are expected in the killings of a Gulf Coast couple known for adopting special-needs children, according to Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan.
 Two people were arrested on murder charges over the weekend. A third suspect has been arrested in the investigation as well, charged with evidence tampering, authorities said.

The investigation into Thursday's shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings has become "a window into something bigger," with multiple motives, multiple suspects, and sudden twists and turns, Morgan said at a briefing Sunday night.

"This is like a movie script. The more we've delved into this and worked this case, the different avenues that it would go down -- just when you thought, 'All right, we're in a straight line at this point with this investigation,' it would take a hard right or a hard left, and it was almost as though you had another investigation that you were initiating."

"We are very anxious to share this story with the citizens of Escambia County and with the nation if you will," Morgan said. "It's gonna be a humdinger."

The two suspects facing murder charges are Wayne Coldiron and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., Morgan said.

Authorities have not said what their motives may have been, and neither suspect has made a public statement.

At a news conference Monday, one of the Billingses' grown children said the family does not know the suspects.
 "We have no knowledge of them," said Ashley Markham, biological daughter of Melanie Billings.

"We just -- we want justice."

Byrd and Melanie Billings had 17 children total, including many with special needs. Nine children were at home when the couple was shot and killed Thursday night, Markham said.

Authorities said Coldiron, 41, surrendered to investigators Sunday. Gonzalez was arrested in neighboring Santa Rosa County on Sunday evening, authorities said. Gonzalez's age was not immediately released.

Sheriff Morgan was announcing Coldiron's arrest to reporters when detectives informed him that Gonzalez was in custody. Video Watch sheriff learn of second arrest »

Gonzalez's father, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, has been arrested on evidence-tampering charges. He is accused of trying to disguise a red Dodge van that surveillance cameras captured leaving the slain couple's home.

Investigators had distributed images of the van, and its discovery Saturday was "the linchpin in this case," Morgan said. The elder Gonzalez "was covering damage and painting the van ... so that it would not be readily recognizable."

At her news conference Monday, Markham described her parents as having "only had love in their lives since the day they met 19 years ago. They knew they were soulmates." The two "chose a life that many people did not understand" when they adopted so many children, Markham said.

"They had a calling to adopt and love children that others did not see as normal."

The couple viewed their children as "perfect, angels that God provided them with to love eternally," she said.

In all, the couple had 17 children. Each parent had two biological children, and the rest were adopted, Markham said. The parents had no biological children together. Three of the children have died, including Markham's biological sister, she said.

"We know our parents are watching over use now, reunited with their three angels in heaven," she said. Video Watch Ashley Markham say, "Love was never scarce" in Billings home »

There is no sign that the children who were in the home were threatened directly at any point during Thursday night's shooting, Markham said.

The children "are coping very well" and are being cared for, she said.

"They haven't asked too many questions," she said, noting that several have disabilities. "I don't know if it's a good thing, but they'll be able to get through it -- just not understanding."

The children "will remain together, and will remain with family," Markham said.

"Right now, I have to be strong," she said, adding that her mother's spirit "is here with me -- she'll get me through it. I have to be strong for the children, above and beyond everything else."

While there are special expenses for special-needs children, Markham said, "There's a plan in place, and we will make it work."

Asked about 2005 article suggesting Byrd Billings was wealthy, Markham's attorney Crystal Spencer said he was an entrepreneur, "wealthy in spirit and blessed materially."


While the investigation continues, the family is keeping the children's whereabouts a secret.

The Billingses lived in Beulah, west of Pensacola, near the Alabama state line.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 13, 2009, 05:37:19 PM
Jul 13, 4:49 PM EDT  ::MonkeyEek::

Up to 8 people involved in Fla. couple's slaying


PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- A team of up to eight people masterminded a chilling and deadly break-in at the home of a Florida couple known for adopting children with developmental disabilities, a sheriff in the Florida Panhandle said Monday.

Melanie and Byrd Billings were shot to death Thursday while nine of their children were home. One child left to alert a neighbor, who called 911. Several children saw the intruders but were not hurt, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. The others were sleeping.

Morgan said robbery was one of "numerous motives," though he did not elaborate on what the others might have been.

Authorities have already arrested three people and say up to five more may have been involved. Two men described as persons of interest were being interviewed Monday, Morgan said.

The break-in was captured by an extensive surveillance camera system that the Billingses used to keep tabs on their children.

Authorities had already released video of a red van seen dropping off three suspects at the front door of the sprawling nine-bedroom home west of Pensacola.

Morgan on Monday showed more surveillance video that captured men in "ninja garb" entering the back of the home through a utility door that had been left unlocked.

"I think you'll find this particularly chilling and here's why: We have a team that enters at the rear of the home and another that enters at the front of the home," Morgan said. He said the mastermind of the break-in was among the three people in custody, but he would not be more specific.

Day laborer Wayne Coldiron, 41, turned himself in to Escambia County authorities and Leonard P. Gonzalez Jr., 35, was arrested in neighboring Santa Rosa County. Both were charged with murder and home invasion, according to their arrest warrants.

Authorities also jailed Gonzalez's father, Leonard P. Gonzalez Sr., on a charge of evidence tampering. Police said the 56-year-old tried to paint over and hide damage on a red van that was spotted on surveillance video leaving the home after the shootings Thursday. Tips from the public led investigators to the van Saturday.

The elder Gonzalez appeared in an Escambia County courtroom via video conference Monday afternoon.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said Gonzalez had been cooperative with investigators but asked that Judge Tom Johnson not lower his bond. Johnson agreed and raised the bond to $500,000, saying $250,000 was not sufficient. Gonzalez did not speak except to say that he is disabled when asked if he was employed. He will have a court-appointed attorney but Johnson did not say who it will be.

The Billingses had a total of 16 children.

Ashley Markham, an adult daughter, said the adopted children are together with friends and family at an undisclosed location. She said she had no knowledge of any connection between the three men in custody and her parents or any of the children in the household.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FLORIDA_COUPLE_SLAIN?SITE=VANOV&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 13, 2009, 10:10:12 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/13/florida.couple.slain/
Fourth suspect arrested in killing of Gulf Coast couple
July 13, 2009
ENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- A fourth suspect has been arrested in the shooting deaths of a Gulf Coast couple known for adopting special-needs children, authorities said late Monday.
 Gary Lamont Sumner faces a murder charge for his alleged role in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings on Thursday, Escambia County, Florida, Sheriff David Morgan said.


(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/07/13/florida.couple.slain/art.surveillance.wear.jpg)

Police believe six to eight people were involved in the homicides, which occurred in the couple's home in Beulah, west of Pensacola, near the Alabama state line.

Wayne Coldiron, 41; Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, were arrested over the weekend. Coldiron and the younger Gonzalez face charges of murder, robbery and residential home invasion; the elder Gonzalez faces charges of evidence tampering for allegedly trying to disguise a vehicle spotted at the home.

The crime was "a very well-planned and methodical operation," said Escambia County, Florida, Sheriff David Morgan.

Both of the Billingses were shot multiple times, Morgan said, but he would not release further details on their deaths.

Authorities released two surveillance tapes taken from the front and rear of the Billingses' home. Each shows a vehicle pulling up to the property, and five people dressed in black and wearing masks entering the home through two entrances -- including through a utility door left unlocked, something Morgan said is not uncommon in the community. Authorities believe drivers remained in both of the cars.

Investigators believe one motive in the deaths was robbery, but "we believe there are other motives," Morgan said. He would not say what, if anything, was taken from the home.

Melanie Billings' biological daughter, Ashley Markham, told reporters the couple initially had 17 children -- two biological children each for Byrd and Melanie Billings, with the rest adopted. Three have died over the years, she said. The couple had no biological children together. Video Watch Ashley Markham say, "Love was never scarce" in Billings home »

Morgan, however, said the couple had a total of 16 children, with two that have died and others that have grown older and no longer live in the Billingses' home.

Nine of the couple's children were home at the time of the incident, Morgan said, and police believe three of them saw the intruders. One managed to flee the home and seek help at a neighbor's house, the sheriff said.
 Wayne Coldiron, 41; Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, were arrested over the weekend.

Coldiron and the younger Gonzalez face charges of murder, robbery and residential home invasion; the elder Gonzalez faces charges of evidence tampering for allegedly trying to disguise a vehicle spotted at the home.

Coldiron and the younger Gonzalez were being held on $1 million bond, according to records posted on the sheriff's Web site. The senior Gonzalez was being held on $250,000 bond.

One of the three in custody is believed to be the mastermind behind the crime, Morgan said, but would not say which one. Video Watch a report on the arrests in the complex case »

Police also released a surveillance photo taken at a Wal-Mart in nearby Gulf Breeze, Florida, in recent weeks, showing three men. One is the younger Gonzalez, but authorities want to know who the other men are, Morgan said.

The sheriff called the surveillance tapes "chilling." He noted that the vehicles were at the home less than 10 minutes, and the five people were in the house less than four minutes.

"It leads me to believe that this was a very well-planned and methodical operation," Morgan said.

Although the Billingses were well known in the community, the sheriff said authorities are still trying to unravel why they were targeted. He compared their deaths to the slaying of the Clutter family of Kansas, inspiration for Truman Capote's novel "In Cold Blood," noting the Clutter murders were something the community struggled with for years.

"It will be a very long time, I believe, until we piece together the truth of why this family was selected," Morgan said.

Police believe the suspects might have bought the clothes they wore to the home and were reviewing surveillance tapes and photos from several stores, he said.

Morgan said the crime's complexity is frustrating for investigators, comparing it to a complicated mathematics word problem that lacks complete information.

"It seems as though each phase we complete, while we answer a set of questions, it opens up an additional set of questions."

Earlier, he said the complete story, when revealed, is "going to be a humdinger."

Asked whether the suspects entered the home planning to kill the couple, Morgan said authorities do not know.
 Markham said earlier the family does not know any of the three suspects. She said the children "are coping very well" and are being cared for.

"They haven't asked too many questions," she said, noting that several have disabilities. While the investigation continues, the family is keeping the children's whereabouts a secret.

(There are videos in the article if you go to the link)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 01:00:42 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: Word here in Pensacola is that this was a "hit".......I'm watching the local news now and will report anything new.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 01:13:08 PM
Seven in custody now (one a minor)  ::MonkeyNoNo::. Also, sherriff is hugging Ashley (Melanie's daughter). He promised her he'd get those responsible for the crime.  ::cartwheel:: They are held on "open murder" charges.......No direct ties confirmed, two of the suspects worked for Byrd Billings once or twice. Loops still need to be closed, they are still looking at another suspect. FBI involved because elements of case go outside state of Florida and they can't release that info. Motive is robbery (which I don't get as they were only in the home a very short period of time  ::MonkeyConfused:: ), they took a safe though.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 01:17:33 PM
Suspects know each other thru auto detailing company......most suspects are from Okaloosa County (4 suspects from 5th dimensions auto detailing in Okaloosa County),  ::MonkeyShocked:: remind me to be careful who details the car from now on ::MonkeyNoNo:: .


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 01:22:27 PM
Leonard Gonzales Sr charges will be upgraded to "open murder" charges  ::cartwheel:: So father and son both arrested for open murder.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2009, 01:40:53 PM
Thank you IM for bringing updates to this thread.  This case is just shocking.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 01:49:14 PM
Thank you IM for bringing updates to this thread.  This case is just shocking.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Anytime Muffy~I was shocked to  learn this was in Beulah (one of the guys I work with lives 1 mile from this home), and this couple was well loved for their huge hearts....very sad indeed ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2009, 01:57:44 PM
It's truly frightening to think there could be 6 or 8 people in on something like this.  Each and everyone of them HAD to know there were disabled children there.  Did any of them have a conscience at all?  Bad enough if it had been a robbery.  That would have jeopardized the family.  But a "hit"?!  And killing the heads of a household full of disabled children.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I wonder just how much money/drugs or whatever was promised to these people to do this?  Or did someone have something on them and that's why they did it?  May for the thrill along with some compensation?  Whatever it is, it makes me just sick.   ::MonkeyWaa:: 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 14, 2009, 02:09:17 PM
It's truly frightening to think there could be 6 or 8 people in on something like this.  Each and everyone of them HAD to know there were disabled children there.  Did any of them have a conscience at all?  Bad enough if it had been a robbery.  That would have jeopardized the family.  But a "hit"?!  And killing the heads of a household full of disabled children.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I wonder just how much money/drugs or whatever was promised to these people to do this?  Or did someone have something on them and that's why they did it?  May for the thrill along with some compensation?  Whatever it is, it makes me just sick.   ::MonkeyWaa:: 

I think finding people with conscience is getting more difficult every day  ::MonkeyDevil::

This is absolutey an horrific case, on the news last night they mentioned that 3 of the kids witnessed the murders and one ran out to a neighbors house to get help (I just thank God the murders stopped with Byrd and Melanie)....Regarding the hit, that's just rumor spreading about somone who owed Byrd money and never intended to pay. I checked the Escambia county court cases and nothing civil except adoptions etc, but it could possibly be in Santa rosa OR another county or it's possible Byrd was getting ready to file a lawsuit and they took care of it before.........all pure speculation on the street here though.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 14, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/14/florida.couple.slain/index.html?eref=rss_mostpopular
Police: Seven in custody in Florida couple's slaying
July 14, 2009
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- Seven people are in custody in connection with the shooting deaths of a Gulf Coast couple known for adopting special-needs children, Escambia County, Florida, Sheriff David Morgan said Tuesday.
 Earlier on Tuesday, Okaloosa County sheriff's spokeswoman Michele Nicholson said the department had arrested two people in Okaloosa County. Both suspects face murder charges and were booked early Tuesday morning, she said.

Nicholson would not confirm their names, but the county's corrections Web site identifies one as Frederick Lee Thorton Jr.

A total of six arrests have been made in last week's deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Three people were in custody in connection with the Billingses' deaths Monday afternoon, and Morgan told reporters a total of six to eight people are thought to be involved in the crime.

Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, was arrested Monday night. Morgan said Sumner was pulled over in an Okaloosa County traffic stop on Sunday and arrested after authorities discovered he matched a description of a person sought in Escambia County. He faces a murder charge, Morgan said.

Wayne Coldiron, 41; Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35; and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, were arrested over the weekend. Authorities said Coldiron and the younger Gonzalez face charges of murder, robbery and residential home invasion. The elder Gonzalez faces charges of evidence tampering for allegedly trying to disguise a vehicle spotted at the home.

Police have called the slayings "a very well-planned and methodical operation." Video Watch experts describe the "military-style" attack »

Authorities have released two surveillance tapes taken from the front and rear of the Billingses' home. Each shows a vehicle pulling up to the property and five people dressed in black and wearing masks entering the home through two entrances, including a utility door left unlocked, something Morgan said is not uncommon in the community. Authorities believe drivers remained in both of the cars. Video Watch surveillance video of the home invasion »

Investigators believe one motive in the deaths was robbery, but, "we believe there are other motives," Morgan said. He would not say what, if anything, was taken from the home. Video Watch a report on the arrests in the complex case »

Melanie Billings' biological daughter, Ashley Markham, told reporters the couple initially had 17 children. Byrd and Melanie Billings each had two biological children; the rest were adopted. Three have died over the years, she said. The couple had no biological children together. Video Watch Ashley Markham say, "Love was never scarce" in Billings home »

Morgan, however, said the couple had a total of 16 children, with two who have died and others who have grown older and no longer live in the home.

Nine of the couple's children were home during the incident, Morgan said, and police believe three of them saw the intruders. One managed to flee the home and seek help at a neighbor's house, the sheriff said.

Coldiron and the younger Gonzalez were being held on $1 million bond, according to records posted on the sheriff's Web site. The senior Gonzalez was being held on $250,000 bond. One of those three is believed to be the mastermind behind the crime, Morgan said, but would not say which one.

Although the Billingses were well known in the community, the sheriff said authorities are still trying to unravel why they were targeted. Both of the Billingses were shot multiple times, he said, but he would not release further details on their deaths.

Markham said earlier the family does not know any of the first three suspects. She said the children "are coping very well" and are being cared for.
advertisement

"They haven't asked too many questions," she said, noting that several have disabilities. While the investigation continues, the family is keeping the children's whereabouts a secret.

The Billingses lived in Beulah, west of Pensacola, near the Alabama state line.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 14, 2009, 06:28:02 PM
Island, or any other monkey that might know, what time of day was this when the murders happened? Why I am asking is it appeared to be daylight in the videos I have seen. It must have been early in the morning, and all the more confusing, because of that time of day, it may have been more likely that someone would have been awake and seen them. I thought I heard that they were murdered in their bedroom, which made me think they were still asleep. I wondered about the alarm system, and did they really have a dog, as there was a "Bad Dog" sign on a fence.

Possibly not asleep, though. Maybe they were taken to the room where the safe was, and it was probably in a closet of the bedroom. Also, for the number of people involved, it may have been for the size and weight of the safe.

It is all a very strange case. I am very familiar with the area. I used to live on the Alabama coast, and we were almost sister cities. The whole thing makes me very sad. We were looking today at a picture that was taken from the Dairy Queen parking lot overlooking the I-10 bridge that was destroyed by hurricaine Ivan later.

I saw the press conference today with the Escambia County Sheriff and thought it was very well done. At least this happened in Florida, where we will be getting more information further down the road due to the Sunshine Laws.

God Bless these people.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 15, 2009, 12:19:31 AM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FLORIDA_COUPLE_SLAIN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Jul 14, 10:04 PM EDT

7 charged with killing Fla. couple,
stealing safe

By MELISSA NELSON and BILL KACZOR
Associated Press Writer
 PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- An ex-convict who taught self-defense to children. A day laborer who served prison time for killing a man in a fight. An Air Force staff sergeant attached to an elite special operations unit.

Somehow, authorities say, they ended up part of a loosely connected group of seven men charged in the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, a wealthy Florida Panhandle couple known for adopting children with special needs.

The suspects, some dressed as ninjas, stole a safe and other items during the break-in Thursday at the sprawling Billings home west of Pensacola. Nine of the couple's 13 adopted children were home at the time. Three saw the intruders but were not hurt. Authorities would not say what was in the safe or what else was taken.

Some of the masked men entered through the front door, while others slipped in through an unlocked utility door in the back. They were in and out in under 10 minutes. The crime was captured by an extensive video surveillance system the Billings used to keep tabs on their many children.

"It was a very well-planned and well-executed operation," said Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan.

The last three of the seven suspects were arrested Tuesday, though Morgan said there still might be more arrests. State Attorney Bill Eddins said robbery was the main motive for the crime.

Adult daughter Ashley Markham - one of four Billings children from previous marriages - sobbed Tuesday as she hugged Morgan, who said he kept a promise made to her the night of the slayings.

"It is my honor today to tell you, Ashley, your family we have found them and they are in custody," Morgan said.

The suspects ranged in age from 16 to 56, and several were day laborers who knew each other through a pressure washing business and an auto detailer they worked for. One, Donnie Ray Stallworth, was with the Air Force Special Operations Command with an aircraft maintenance squadron at Hurlburt Field near Fort Walton Beach. It wasn't clear how he knew the others.

"We're dealing with a group of folks with rare exception - of course, there's a couple of people who are not - that again are basically day laborer sorts, folks that get odd jobs, part-time jobs and they drift," Morgan said. "With the exception of Mr. Stallworth you don't have any career-minded people in this group."

Morgan called 35-year-old suspect Leonard Gonzalez Jr. a "pivotal person" in organizing the crime, but stopped short of identifying him as the mastermind. He was charged Sunday with murder.

In court Tuesday, he read a statement proclaiming his innocence.

"The sheriff intentionally thrust me into the public's eye without any charges being filed and also intentionally placed me in a suicide ward to make me look even guiltier," Gonzalez said.

News clippings provided a very different picture of Gonzalez, a former National Guard member and martial arts expert who taught self-defense classes for women and children. In 2007, he and his wife founded a martial-arts course that taught children to defend themselves against sexual predators.

Gwinn Corley, a spokesman for a community group that gave Gonzalez and his wife an award for their program, said they brought their six young children to self-defense presentations.

"We were impressed with them," Corley said. "He was talking about children and their respect for their elders. They both seemed to have a passion to teaching the arts to abused women and kids, they had a vision for how to give free self defense."

But records show Gonzalez, who was arrested Sunday in the Billings case, served time in Florida State Prison on burglary and forgery charges in the mid-1990s.

His father, Leonard Gonzalez Sr., was also arrested. The 56-year-old was charged Sunday night with evidence tampering after authorities said he tried to cover up some damage on a red van seen on surveillance video pulling away from the house. Officials said the damage was unrelated to the crime. Tips from the public led police to the van Saturday.

The elder Gonzalez owned a pressure washing business and may have visited the Billings property once before. Another man arrested and charged with murder Sunday, day laborer Wayne Coldiron, 41, sometimes worked for him and also may have visited the property, Morgan said.

Coldiron, who appeared in court Tuesday and said he had lost his job as a plumber, served two years in a Tennessee prison in the early 1990s after killing a man during a fight. He also served nearly two years in prison in Florida on an aggravated assault charge.

The other four suspects were arrested Monday and Tuesday.

Authorities in neighboring Okaloosa County arrested 31-year-old Gary Sumner, another day laborer who was in a county jail on an unrelated traffic charge. On Tuesday, three more men were arrested: Stallworth, 19-year-old Frederick Lee Thornton, and a 16-year-old whom officials are not naming because he is a minor.

Eddins, the prosecutor, said he would seek first-degree murder indictments from a grand jury against all the suspects, including Gonzalez Sr. He would not say whether he will seek the death penalty.

Escambia County Judge Tom Johnson refused to set bail for the younger Gonzalez and Coldiron at the request of State Attorney Bill Eddins. Johnson set their arraignments for Aug. 6. Bond for the elder Gonzalez had already been set at $500,000. The suspects arrested Monday and Tuesday are due in court this week except for Stallworth, who must be extradited from Alabama, where he was arrested.

The Billings family attended the hearing Tuesday but made no statements. Some were in tears afterward.

Friends, meanwhile, struggled to understand how the couple could have been killed in such a horrific way.

"Melanie and Byrd both would give you the shirt off their back and maybe they were too trusting," said Patsy Brown, who had known Melanie Billings for 22 years.

---


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 09:10:28 AM
Island, or any other monkey that might know, what time of day was this when the murders happened? Why I am asking is it appeared to be daylight in the videos I have seen. It must have been early in the morning, and all the more confusing, because of that time of day, it may have been more likely that someone would have been awake and seen them. I thought I heard that they were murdered in their bedroom, which made me think they were still asleep. I wondered about the alarm system, and did they really have a dog, as there was a "Bad Dog" sign on a fence.

Possibly not asleep, though. Maybe they were taken to the room where the safe was, and it was probably in a closet of the bedroom. Also, for the number of people involved, it may have been for the size and weight of the safe.

It is all a very strange case. I am very familiar with the area. I used to live on the Alabama coast, and we were almost sister cities. The whole thing makes me very sad. We were looking today at a picture that was taken from the Dairy Queen parking lot overlooking the I-10 bridge that was destroyed by hurricaine Ivan later.

I saw the press conference today with the Escambia County Sheriff and thought it was very well done. At least this happened in Florida, where we will be getting more information further down the road due to the Sunshine Laws.

God Bless these people.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I totally agree that something doesn't add up in this case; 30 days of these monsters "practicing", 7 arrested, one more they are waiting to arrest.....I'm starting to wonder if the rumors we are hearing are true.

Fanny, IIRC these murders happened sometime after 7pm last Thursday night which was perfect timing as last week was "Blue Angel's Week", with over 100m more people on the beach and so most of Escambia County and even Santa Rosa County cops were on the beach. Apparantly the murders are even on the video tapes the LE retrieved from the Billing's home.......SICK!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you live Orange Beach, Perdido Key, Gulf Shores????

Ivan did bring mass destruction here, although I wasn't living on the beach at the time but there are a ton of empty lots scattered along the beach still today.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 15, 2009, 10:45:06 AM
Island, how close is this home to Gulf Shores?  I read it was close to the FL/AL line. 

I am on my way to Gulf Shores in 3 weeks.  Always go to see the Blue Angels practice.  I love them.  Last year it was rained out.  So we will try again this year.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 11:15:45 AM
Island, how close is this home to Gulf Shores?  I read it was close to the FL/AL line. 

I am on my way to Gulf Shores in 3 weeks.  Always go to see the Blue Angels practice.  I love them.  Last year it was rained out.  So we will try again this year.

It's about 40 miles from Gulf Shores, and it's about 40 miles from where I live also. Beulah is about 5 miles from the Alabama line.

Yes, last yr the show was on Sunday and even afterwards there was a huge lighning storm, but this yr I took my staycation because they practice all week over the beach and some of the practices are better than the show!!!!!!!  I woke up Wednesday morning and thought I was in the middle of a hurricane, then remembered the Blues were up, they practiced Thursday and Friday but at more civilizied hours, then on Saturday during the show my daughter and I were on surf boards out past the first sand bar when the sneak pass came...I thought she was going to break her neck trying to get off her board because she was petrified he was going to hit her, and it physically moved my board from the low (25 ft) flyover directly above us. It was incredible as always though.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 11:55:41 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Heads up~News Conference at 12:00 CST to announce YET ANOTHER arrest, heard it was prominent member of community (wonder if the "hit" rumors are true)???????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 11:59:30 AM
::MonkeyEek::

Heads up~News Conference at 12:00 CST to announce YET ANOTHER arrest, heard it was prominent member of community (wonder if the "hit" rumors are true)???????
I just heard this on the news  ::MonkeyEek::  Also the investigation is going overseas  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 12:36:08 PM
::MonkeyEek::

Heads up~News Conference at 12:00 CST to announce YET ANOTHER arrest, heard it was prominent member of community (wonder if the "hit" rumors are true)???????
I just heard this on the news  ::MonkeyEek::  Also the investigation is going overseas  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes.......it just gets crazier every day, but now they say this prominent person has disappeared and they are putting out an APB for him, also saying as they have from the beginning that when it all unravels it will be a jaw-dropper. I'm so freaking curious WHO this prominet member is??????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 12:44:32 PM
::MonkeyEek::

Heads up~News Conference at 12:00 CST to announce YET ANOTHER arrest, heard it was prominent member of community (wonder if the "hit" rumors are true)???????
I just heard this on the news  ::MonkeyEek::  Also the investigation is going overseas  ::MonkeyEek::

Yes.......it just gets crazier every day, but now they say this prominent person has disappeared and they are putting out an APB for him, also saying as they have from the beginning that when it all unravels it will be a jaw-dropper. I'm so freaking curious WHO this prominet member is??????
I heard that also, wow  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 15, 2009, 12:48:58 PM
This case is really shocking. Those poor children!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 12:58:11 PM
This case is really shocking. Those poor children!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know CBB~Beulah doesn't even show up on maps it's so small  ::MonkeyNoNo:: and three of the kids witnessed thr murders and sheriff says the entire crime is on video ::MonkeyEek::

I'm frankly shocked they solved it so quickly with all the LE on the beach due to the Air shows etc......Thank God!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:03:45 PM
Link from N. Escambia News.... http://www.northescambia.com/

CNN saying that DEA is called in.

CNN will cover the update ... now.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
Looking for Pamela Laverne Long as a person of interest.  Well known in Gulf Breeze area.

Numerous search warrants.

Someone who is a person of interest was to disable security but did not do this.

.......from CNN


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 01:10:02 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused:: Pamela Laverne Long is the new POI........have to check around as I have no clue who she is. Also MORE POI'S (2 more that are significant). Dang she has alot of alias. They sheriff thinks that someone was supposed to turn off surveillance and didn't ::MonkeyNoNo:: Since she was a realtor-hmmmmmm just curious as to her part. Ok, so she is more know in Gulf Breeze proper (which I drive through twice a day to and from work)  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 01:18:19 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SunnyinTX on July 15, 2009, 01:24:34 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........

IM and Mere thanks for the updates!  IM ::MonkeyEek:: yikes.....you might actually see this woman often and not even know it!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 01:24:59 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........
  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 15, 2009, 01:27:40 PM
IM & Mere - thanks so much for the updates.  This just gets crazier & crazier.  I hope they find this Pamela person pronto.

The people that did this are nothing but animals.  Sickening.  I just thank God none of the kids were harmed.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:30:49 PM
Thank you everyone for the updates & info.  I just saw the news conference & it just gets stranger. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Anna on July 15, 2009, 01:31:05 PM
Please keep us posted.  This is one strange and scary case.  They could have just taken the safe.  Why did they have to murder this couple!



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:32:57 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........

Did I hear them say she owned several properties, or were they referring to someone else?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:34:25 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........

IM and Mere thanks for the updates!  IM ::MonkeyEek:: yikes.....you might actually see this woman often and not even know it!!

It looked like they had a current picture of her on a flyer.  I hope they post it online.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
Please keep us posted.  This is one strange and scary case.  They could have just taken the safe.  Why did they have to murder this couple!



That's the question that leads me to believe it was more than just robbery.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:37:36 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/

Now updates and gives picture of Pamela Laverne Long


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:39:05 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/

Now updates and gives picture of Pamela Laverne Long

BREAKING NEWS: Sheriff Names Person Of Interest In Murder Case
July 15, 2009
BREAKING NEWS Escambia Sheriff David Morgan held a noon press conference on the Billings double murder to name an additional person of interest in the case.

Authorities have named another person of interest in the murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan says that person of interest is Pamela Laverne Long, also known as Pamela Wiggins. Morgan said she rented property to one of the persons charged with murder in the case.

“Our intent is not to harass Ms. Long. We need to speak to Ms. Long,” Morgan said. She will well known in the Gulf Breeze area, Morgan said, but he would not provide her last known address.

“”She has not provided us any information. That is why we want to speak with her,” the sheriff said.

Morgan also said it was someone’s job to disable the security system at the Billings’ compound, but that did not happen

“Why was this system left on in an otherwise perfectly executed murder?” he said. “”There may have been someone in this case who’s very duty was to disable the security system.”

“Obviously there is an eighth or ninth person,” he said. Morgan said the seven people charged in the case believed they were not under surveillance as they committed the crimes.

Video of the now infamous red van and other security system footage from the Billings home was the big break that allowed the sheriff’s department to quickly make arrests in the case.

Morgan ended the press conference with a question from a reported who wanted comment on suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.’s request to be released without bond. Gonzalez made the request Tuesday afternoon, saying that there was a lack of evidence again him.

“And people in hell want ice water,” Morgan said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:41:53 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/longfront2.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 01:42:21 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........

IM and Mere thanks for the updates!  IM ::MonkeyEek:: yikes.....you might actually see this woman often and not even know it!!

I know......although she has now gone bye-bye. I did pull up her marriage license and then a record on her former hubby (as her mortgage says she is single), but I didn't see any divorce info on the civil end, I did run her ex/not ex hubby thru the records and looks like he was involved in a DUI, hit and run where someone dies and IF i'm reading the record properly it shows on 6/18/2009 Motion to correct illegal sentence for county jail credit, time served, hmmmmmm wonder who he met in the county jail??????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:43:43 PM
Thank you for the article mere.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Family of slain couple sets up trust for children

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.couple.slain/index.html


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:49:16 PM
Thank you for the article mere.

LOL....thank you for the picture cece..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 01:49:19 PM
I am checking the Escambia county public records and her condo is in Lis Pendens (pre-foreclosure) as of April 24, 2009 on the beach.......just 3 blocks from my house is her condo  ::MonkeyShocked:: Of course it could just be a rental, let me check into some more info.........

Did I hear them say she owned several properties, or were they referring to someone else?

Yes~I see several other properties in Escambia County that Pamela Long owns, not sure if this is the only Pamela Long (without other initials), but if she had properties in Gulf Breeze, I'll need to check Santa Rosa County as that is where Gulf Breeze is located. I'm really only concerned though with the one that is on the Beach......YIKES!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 01:53:24 PM
IM...did you see that she is also known as Pamela Wiggins?  For being "well known in the community", there is nothing I see under Pamela L Long.  I am checking to see which company she is employed with and if she buys real estate for herself or if she sells also.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan says that person of interest is Pamela Laverne Long, also known as Pamela Wiggins. Morgan said she rented property to one of the persons charged with murder in the case.

(From the above article).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 01:58:57 PM
A Closer Look: Billings Family Photos
July 15, 2009

Melanie and Byrd Billings opened their home and their lives to developmentally disabled children, having adopted eight children in addition to their four.

“Geezz, I have a lot of kids,” says Melanie’s MySpace page.

“Just hanging out with the kiddos today…getting ready to play musical rooms,” her status said on July 7, two days before she was murdered with nine children in the home. Her blogs paint a picture of love and devotion, a sense of normal everyday duties.

“With 11 kids at home, what do you think I would be doing? Laundry!” she wrote. “Need to clean out bedrooms and paint and move kids around.”

The page pays tribute to Bailey Jacob,  one of the adopted children that died of natural causes at age three. “He touched so many people in his short life. I miss him every second of every day. My life will never be the same for having had such a blessing bestowed upon me. I miss my Baileyboo.”

Photos show family life. Trips to the zoo. Horseback riding. Watching TV. Playing in the pool. Normal things that were very extraordinary in the Billings family.

In the “Who I’d like to meet” section of her MySpace profile, Melanie Billings wrote “God…I have so many unanswered questions for him…”.

For a collection of photos from the Billings family, click here. 

Photos courtesy MySpace.

Pictured above: Melanie Billings and one of her adopted children. Pictured below: Byrd Billings with Nicholas. Photos from Melanie Billings’ MySpace, click to enlarge.

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9487


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 02:04:27 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/billings-family-10.jpg)

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/billings-family-11.jpg)

link to some family photos:

http://www.northescambia.com/?page_id=22&g2_itemId=36192


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Mere on July 15, 2009, 02:07:05 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9508

Same article as above - but now comments are interesting.  No way to know for sure but they are talking about her family in NY, her Birthdate and a liquor license she applied for.  There is nothing to verify the statements yet.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 02:07:40 PM
Ok~just pulled her Santa Rosa County Records (they have to be ordered to get full info unlike Escambia County) ::MonkeyTongue::......

Order
 From
 To
 Date
 Document Type
 County
 Instrument Number
 Book/Page
 Pages
 

 CENTURION PROPERTIES
 LONG PAMELA
 12/01/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980046219
 1726/887
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 28/B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 WIGGINS HUGH G
 04/16/2009
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200912142
 2893/1525
 2
 
    Description: 26-2S-28W
 

 LINK PAMELA LAVERNE
 LINK RONALD WILLIAM;
LONG PAMELA LAVERNE
 12/01/2003
 Court Paper
 SANTA ROSA
 200369906
 2233/276
 3
 
    Description: DOM Case# 03-1133-DR-01-DM-B
 

 LONG PAMELA
 PUBLIC
 11/24/1997
 NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT
 SANTA ROSA
 970041498
 1650/539
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 117/A
 

 CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT;
HARVELL WENDY;
STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING
 LONG PAMELA L
 04/11/2000
 TRANSFER
 SANTA ROSA
 200012963
 1819/177
 1
 
    Description: OR 1769 PG 1968 CERTIF OF LIEN
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 CLIFFT JASON;
WYSE ALLISON CLIFFT
 08/28/2003
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200349832
 2193/615
 1
 
    Description: POLYNESIAN ISLANDS 13/2
 

 LONG PAMELA L
  06/01/1999
 NOTICE OF COMMENCEMENT
 SANTA ROSA
 990022324
 1759/1555
 3
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,PT 15/E
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 BONNER MARCUS R
 01/03/2000
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200000018
 1801/1351
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 38/A RDWY MNTM
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 NALUAI ANITA W;
NALUAI EUGENE ARNOLD
 07/22/1998
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 980028156
 1703/390
 3
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SH E 115,116/A
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 KEEGAN HOMEBUILDERS INC
 11/27/2001
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200148711
 1959/523
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST PT 116/A
 

 LONG PAMELA
 MCEACHERN ALBERT A;
MCEACHERN CAROLE
 10/27/1997
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 970037954
 1644/51
 1
 
    Description: 27-2S-28W
 

 LONG PAMELA
 NOVAK CONSTRUCTION INC
 11/12/1997
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 970039928
 1647/1174
 2
 
    Description: 27-2S-28W
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 04/06/1999
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 990013783
 1749/904
 6
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E
 

 ADAMS HOMES OF NORTHWEST FLORIDA INC
 LONG PAMELA
 02/07/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200706177
 2698/52
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 28/J
 

 LONG PAMELA
 BEACH COMMUNITY BANK
 12/19/2008
 Assignment
 SANTA ROSA
 200847340
 2871/682
 3
 
    Description: PINELLAS LOT 59
 

 OLIVE JAYNE OGLE REV TRUST;
BEST HELEN J TRUSTEE;
BEST DOUGLAS E TRUSTEE;
OGLE OLIVE JAYNE TRUSTEE
 LONG PAMELA
 10/20/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980040756
 1719/411
 4
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 2/C
 

 BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANY
 LONG PAMELA L;
UNKNOWN PARTIES
 12/22/2008
 Lis Pendens
 SANTA ROSA
 200847621
 2871/1516
 2
 
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 LOT 57 Case# 081993CA01
 

 LINK RONALD W;
LONG PAMELA L;
LINK PAMELA L
 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC
 11/04/2002
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 0252134
 2069/620
 4
 
    Description: OAK POINTE 4/B
 

 MAGNOLIA MANAGEMENT COMPANY INC;
PROVIDENCE PROPERTIES LLC
 LONG PAMELA
 02/04/2009
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200903317
 2878/1601
 1
 
    Description: PINEGLADE LOT 59
 

 LONG PAMELA L;
QUALITY CONSTRUCTION
 WEGLINSKI ADAM;
WEGLINSKI EVA
 08/04/2000
 JUDGEMENT
 SANTA ROSA
 200029820
 1842/299
 2
 
    Description: TOM KING EST 12/A 99-1315 $2,530.00+
 

 LONG PAMELA
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 05/25/1999
 FINANCING STATEMENT/UCC
 SANTA ROSA
 990021547
 1758/1282
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,PT 15/E
 

 LONG PAMELA
 PUBLIC
 03/17/1998
 AFFIDAVIT
 SANTA ROSA
 980009692
 1675/244
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHRS EAST 117/A
 

 QUALITY CONSTRUCTION;
LONG PAMELA L
 WEGLINSKI EWA;
WEGLINSKI ADAM M
 06/30/1998
 LIEN
 SANTA ROSA
 980024853
 1698/1307
 2
 
    Description: TOM KING EST 12/A
 

 STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING;
HARVELL JAMES HENRY SR
 LONG PAMELA L
 11/21/2000
 COURT PAPER
 SANTA ROSA
 200044982
 1863/1035
 5
 
    Description: 99-2609-CA-01 NOTICE OF APPEAL
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 AMSOUTH BANK
 12/01/1998
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 980046060
 1726/391
 5
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 117/A
 

 LONG PAMELA
 BONNER MARCUS R
 11/01/1999
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 990044085
 1790/672
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 28/B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 LAWYERS TITLE INSURANCE CORP;
PUBLIC
 05/15/1997
 AFFIDAVIT
 SANTA ROSA
 970017024
 1609/1310
 1
 
    Description: OR 2006 PG 546 ??
 

 STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING;
HARVELL JAMES HENRY SR
 LONG PAMELA L
 12/22/1999
 LIS PENDENS
 SANTA ROSA
 990050185
 1799/197
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E 99-2609-C
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 AMSOUTH BANK
 11/13/2001
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 200146852
 1955/1848
 7
 
    Description: 26-2S-28W
 

 AMSOUTH BANK
 LONG PAMELA L
 10/27/2003
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200362953
 2219/1077
 1
 
    Description:
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SUN SIGN OF PENSACOLA INC
 02/16/2000
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200005507
 1808/1815
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 29/B RD/MNTN
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION
 12/06/2001
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 200150504
 1963/703
 15
 
    Description: OAKE POINTE 4/B
 

 ADAMS HOMES OF NORTHWEST FLORIDA INC
 LONG PAMELA
 02/07/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200706188
 2698/132
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 14/J
 

 LONG PAMELA
 STATE DEPT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PRTCT
 05/26/2000
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200019286
 1827/1366
 5
 
    Description: BEAVER POND EST COM NW COR
 

 LONG PAMELA
 SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 02/07/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200706202
 2698/213
 27
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 37/J
 

 LONG PAMELA
 SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 02/07/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200706189
 2698/134
 27
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 14/J
 

 STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING;
HARVELL JAMES HENRY SR
 LONG PAMELA L
 08/30/2004
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200451791
 2346/1811
 1
 
    Description:
 

 AMSOUTH BANK
 LONG PAMELA L
 02/22/2000
 SATISFACTION
 SANTA ROSA
 200006085
 1809/1326
 1
 
    Description: 1679/851
 

 MASS SCOTT C
 LONG PAMELA L
 07/12/2004
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200440293
 2324/1438
 4
 
    Description: PINE GLADE LT 24
 

 PIPPIN FRANCIS E;
PIPPIN CAROLE E;
PIPPIN CAROLE L
 LONG PAMELA L
 11/30/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980046021
 1726/276
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 29/B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC;
COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC
 02/07/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200706175
 2698/22
 22
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 1/K
 

 SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INC
 LONG PAMELA;
UNKNOWN PARTIES;
VICTORIAN VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
 06/16/2009
 Lis Pendens
 SANTA ROSA
 200920265
 2908/703
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 14/J Case# 2009-0991-CA01-MTG-A
 

 CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT;
WEGLINSKI ADAM M;
WEGLINSKI EWA
 QUALITY CONSTRUCTION;
LONG PAMELA L
 09/09/1998
 TRANSFER
 SANTA ROSA
 980035735
 1712/1566
 1
 
    Description: OR 1698/1307
 

 QUALITY CONSTRUCTION;
LONG PAMELA L
 WEGLINSKI ADAM;
WEGLINSKI EVA
 06/30/1999
 LIS PENDENS
 SANTA ROSA
 990026942
 1766/650
 3
 
    Description: TOM KING EST 12/A 99-1315
 

 NALUAI ANITA W;
NALUAI EUGENE ARNOLD
 LONG PAMELA L
 07/22/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980028155
 1703/388
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SH E 115,116/A
 

 LONG PAMELA
 BEACH COMMUNITY BANK
 02/04/2009
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200903318
 2878/1602
 7
 
    Description: PINEGLADE LOT 59
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC;
COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC
 02/02/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200705400
 2696/1244
 23
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PHASE 3 2/I
 

 ADAMS ROGER
 LONG PAMELA L
 04/06/1999
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 990013782
 1749/901
 3
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E
 

 MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INCORPORATED;
COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC;
LONG PAMELA L
 BCAP LLC TRUST 2007 AA2;
DEUTSCHE BANK NATIONAL TRUST COMPANY TRUSTEE
 04/27/2009
 Assignment
 SANTA ROSA
 200913567
 2895/1972
 1
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 2/I
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 COX FRANCES D
 08/07/2003
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200344538
 2182/285
 2
 
    Description: OAKE POINTE 4/B
 

 MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 LONG PAMELA L
 08/26/2003
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200349184
 2191/1713
 1
 
    Description:
 

 RECONCILED MINISTRIES INC
 LONG PAMELA L
 05/15/1997
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 970017025
 1609/1311
 2
 
    Description: POLYNESIAN ISL 13/2 & RD MNT
 

 BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANY;
LONG PAMELA L;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEM INC
 BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANY
 12/23/2008
 Assignment
 SANTA ROSA
 200847712
 2871/1792
 2
 
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 LT 57 COM NW
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANY;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 07/29/2005
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200548904
 2481/2031
 21
 
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 LOT 57 COM NW
 

 LONG PAMELA;
LINK PAMELA A
 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 12/16/2005
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200582399
 2543/945
 5
 
    Description: SOUNDVIEW WOODS THIRD ADD LOT 4 BLOCK B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 01/31/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200705070
 2695/1771
 22
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PHASE 3 LOT 1 BLOCK K
 

 STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING;
HARVELL WENDY
 LONG PAMELA L
 07/19/1999
 LIEN
 SANTA ROSA
 990029594
 1769/1968
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 08/12/1999
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 990033218
 1775/335
 6
 
    Description: BAY RIDGE PARK 28/6
 

 ADAMS HOMES OF NORHTWEST FLORIDA INC
 LONG PAMELA L
 01/31/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200705069
 2695/1769
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PHASE 3 LOT 1 BLOCK K
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 AMSOUTH BANK
 04/02/1998
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 980012088
 1679/851
 7
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHRS EAST 117/A
 

 WITTHAUS LENA M
 LONG PAMELA L
 11/26/1997
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 970041892
 1651/107
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SH EAST 117/A & RD
 

 MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC;
SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INC;
LONG PAMELA
  06/25/2007
 Affidavit
 SANTA ROSA
 200729464
 2743/1629
 1
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PHASE 3 LOT 37 BLOCK J
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 04/03/2000
 MODIFICATION
 SANTA ROSA
 200011575
 1817/283
 2
 
    Description: OR 1749/904 ET AL
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 PROVIDENCE PROPERTIES LLC
 08/30/2004
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200451802
 2346/1830
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14&15/E
 

 SIMMONS FRED H JR
 LONG PAMELA L
 03/07/2005
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200514218
 2415/665
 4
 
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 PT LOT 57 COM NW
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 AMSOUTH BANK
 05/30/2000
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 200019611
 1828/115
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 117/A 1726/391
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 NICHOLS JEFFERY E
 04/10/2002
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 0216682
 2002/530
 2
 
    Description: BAY RIDGE PARK 28/E & RD MNTN
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC
 12/06/2001
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 200150505
 1963/718
 8
 
    Description: OAKE POINTE 4/B
 

 CAUDELL ANN;
CAUDELL JAMES A
 LONG PAMELA
 10/14/1997
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 970036281
 1641/538
 4
 
    Description: 27-2S-28W
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 PROVIDENCE PROPERTIES LLC
 07/12/2004
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200440294
 2324/1442
 1
 
    Description: PINE GLADE LT 24
 

 COUNTRYWIDE HOME LOANS INC;
COUNTRYWIDE FUNDING CORP
 LONG PAMELA L
 12/05/2002
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200257494
 2080/695
 1
 
    Description:
 

 PROVIDENCE PROPERTIES LLC
 LONG PAMELA L
 01/19/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200702852
 2691/1345
 1
 
    Description: PINE GLADE LOT 24
 

 BCAP LLC TRUST 2007 AA2;
DEUTSCHE BANK NATIONAL TRUST COMPANY TRUSTEE
 LONG PAMELA L;
UNKNOWN PARTIES;
VICTORIAN VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC
 06/22/2009
 Lis Pendens
 SANTA ROSA
 200920994
 2909/1392
 1
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 2/1 Case# 09-1022-CA01-MTG-A
 

 ADAMS HOMES OF NORTHWEST FLORIDA INC
 LONG PAMELA L
 02/02/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200705399
 2696/1242
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PHASE 3 2/I
 

 SOUTHEAST ALLIANCE;
SECRETARY HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOP
 LONG PAMELA L
 08/12/1999
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 990033217
 1775/333
 2
 
    Description: BAY RIDGE PARK 28/6
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SUN SIGN OF PENSACOLA INC
 04/24/2000
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200014406
 1821/227
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 2/C & RD MNTN
 

 LONG PAMELA L;
LINK PAMELA
 AMSOUTH BANK
 03/14/2005
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200515991
 2418/890
 8
 
    Description: SOUNDVIEW WOODS 3RD ADD 4/B
 

 ACOSTA EDGAR J
 LONG PAMELA L
 02/17/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980005479
 1667/109
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SH EAST 31/B & RDMN
 

 LONG PAMELA
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 04/06/1999
 FINANCING STATEMENT/UCC
 SANTA ROSA
 990013784
 1749/910
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E
 

 SOUTHTRUST BANK
 LONG PAMELA L
 06/24/2002
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 0229157
 2024/1669
 1
 
    Description: OR 1775 PG 335
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 SOUTHTRUST BANK NA
 12/22/1999
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 990050361
 1799/715
 2
 
    Description: ADDITIONAL ADVANCE OR 1749 PG 904
 

 LONG PAMELA
 BEACH COMMUNITY BANK
 12/19/2008
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200847339
 2871/675
 7
 
    Description: PINELLAS LOT 59
 

 FEDERAL NATIONAL MORTGAGE ASC
 LONG PAMELA L
 12/06/2001
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200150503
 1963/701
 2
 
    Description: OAKE POINTE 48/B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 BONNER MARCUS R
 07/26/1999
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 990030620
 1771/694
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 31/B
 

 AMSOUTH BANK
 LONG PAMELA L
 10/04/2004
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200457316
 2357/1123
 1
 
    Description:
 

 PROVIDENCE PROPERTIES LLC
 LONG PAMELA
 12/19/2008
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200847338
 2871/674
 1
 
    Description: PINELLAS LOT 59
 

 LINK RONNIE
 LONG PAMELA
 01/24/2002
 COURT PAPER
 SANTA ROSA
 200203572
 1978/496
 1
 
    Description: 57-2001-CA-000660 DISMISSAL
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 HARVELL JAMES HENRY SR;
STORMYS ETC
 03/21/2002
 Couprt Paper
 SANTA ROSA
 0213001
 1994/1882
 2
 
    Description: 99-2609-VS-01 MANDATE
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 COUNTRYWIDE BANK NA;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 02/01/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200705291
 2696/770
 19
 
    Description: PINE GLADE LOT 24
 

 BAILEY DAVID C
 LONG PAMELA L
 12/02/1998
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 980046320
 1726/1187
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 38/A
 

 LONG PAMELA
 BEACH COMMUNITY BANK
 02/04/2009
 Assignment
 SANTA ROSA
 200903319
 2878/1609
 3
 
    Description: PINEGLADE LOT 59
 

 LONG PAMELA
 SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INC;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 02/07/2007
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200706178
 2698/54
 27
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 28/J
 

 AMSOUTH BANK
 LINK PAMELA;
LONG PAMELA L
 02/09/2006
 Satisfaction
 SANTA ROSA
 200607500
 2563/464
 1
 
    Description:
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 AMSOUTH BANK
 08/31/2001
 MORTGAGE
 SANTA ROSA
 200135784
 1935/823
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 117/A 1726/391 18
 

 ADAMS HOMES OF NORTHWEST FLORIDA INC
 LONG PAMELA
 02/07/2007
 Deed
 SANTA ROSA
 200706201
 2698/211
 2
 
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 37/J
 

 LONG PAMELA
 PUBLIC
 03/17/1998
 TERMINATION
 SANTA ROSA
 980009691
 1675/243
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHRS EAST 117/A
 

 NALUAI EUGENE ARNOLD;
NALUAI ANITA W
 LONG PAMELA L
 07/31/2000
 SATISFACTION
 SANTA ROSA
 200028781
 1840/1686
 1
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 115/A OR 1703/3
 

 BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON;
BANK OF NEW YORK;
CWHEQ REVOLVING HOME EQUITY LOAN TRUST SERIES 2006 A;
JPMORGAN CHASE BANK N A TRUSTEE
 LINK PAMELA A;
LINK PAMELA L;
LONG PAMELA;
MALDEN PAMELA LONG;
UNKNOWN PARTIES
 06/05/2009
 Lis Pendens
 SANTA ROSA
 200918885
 2906/24
 1
 
    Description: SOUNDVIEW WOODS 3RD ADD 4/B Case# 09-0940-CA01-MTG-B
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 BONNER MARCUS R
 07/31/2000
 DEED
 SANTA ROSA
 200028782
 1840/1687
 2
 
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 115/A & RD MNTN
 

 LONG PAMELA L
 BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANY;
MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC
 03/07/2005
 Mortgage
 SANTA ROSA
 200514219
 2415/669
 21
 
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 PT LOT 57 COM NW
 
 

[END OF RECORDS]
 
http://www.mysantarosacounty.com/



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
Great job IM!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 02:19:16 PM
Yes, I saw she had MANY alias (I just found four more pre-foreclosures in Santa Rosa County), and this article with all her names  ::MonkeyConfused:: from the Pensacola News Journal.....





Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said Pamela Laverne Long is being sought as a "person of interest" in connection to the death of Melanie and Byrd Billings.



Morgan said investigators would like to question Long because she rented property to Patrick Gonzalez Jr.
Long, 47, has several aliases, Morgan said. They are:
-- Pamela Wiggins
-- Pamela Malden
-- Pamela Long Link
-- Pamela Laverne Long Coco
He said investigators have not heard from Long, who has several aliases, in the last 48 hours.
He issued an appeal for Long to contact his office.
In another major development, Morgan said there is another suspect being sought in connection to the invasion of the Billings’ house on Thursday that left the couple dead.
Morgan said a burning question is “Why wasn’t the surveillance system at the house disabled?”
Cameras at the house recorded several suspects and a getaway van.
Morgan suggested an “eighth or ninth” suspect may have been tasked with disabling the surveillance equipment but failed to do so.
Seven people have been charged in connection to the deaths. One reporter asked Morgan to comment on Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.'s request Tuesday to be released with no bond based on what he cited as a lack of evidence.
"And people in hell want ice water," Morgan said, before abruptly ending the press conference.
Finally, Morgan refused to comment on a CNN report that Drug Enforcement Administration is assisting in the probe.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 02:21:58 PM

The Florida murder mystery gripping the nation took another unexpected twist Wednesday when authorities identified a local real estate agent, Pamela Laverne Long, as one of possibly two persons of interest in the case.

Ashley Markham talks about the investigation and the hope for her siblings.Long, reportedly the landlord of Leonard Gonzalez Jr. who police called a "pivotal" player in the double murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings, is sought by police for questioning but was not believed to be on site when the murders occured, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said in a press conference Wednesday afternoon.

Police have arrested and charged seven suspects for their role in what Morgan called a "perfectly executed" murder, but suspect at least one more accomplice failed to disable the Billing's survellience.

"Obviously there was supposed to be an eight or ninth person" that was supposed to take care of the survelliance, Morgan said.

Earlier Wednesday, the Billing's oldest daughter said she is shocked at the brutal killings that left her and 16 other siblings parentless.


"I just can't believe that there's people in the world that are capable of this type of hate," Ashley Markham, 26, told ABC's "Good Morning America" today. "This is just unimaginable."


Markham's parents, Byrd and Melanie Billings, were shot to death July 9 in what police have called a highly organized, military style operation in which robbery was the primary motive. A safe was among the items taken from the home.


Two of the seven suspects, 35-year-old Leonard Gonzalez Jr., and 28-year-old Donnie Ray Stallworth, had military training, police say. Stallworth worked in the Air Force's elite Special Operations Command with an aircraft maintenance squadron and Gonzalez was a former soldier in the National Guard,The Associated Press reported.


http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8086274&page=1


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 02:26:26 PM
By BILL KACZOR – 33 minutes ago

PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — The person assigned to turn off surveillance cameras before an elaborate, deadly break-in at a sprawling Florida Panhandle home never showed up, but the seven suspects in custody apparently did not know that, authorities said Wednesday.

Melanie and Byrd Billings, known for adopting a large brood of children with special needs were shot to death about a week ago. An extensive surveillance system captured footage of masked men — some dressed as ninjas — slipping into front and back doors at the home and stealing a safe, among other items.

The men were in the nine-bedroom house for just four minutes and on the property for 10, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. Video captured during that time led investigators to a red van used as a getaway car and eventually to the suspects, police said.

Morgan said investigators have been pondering "the huge gap" in what was otherwise a precise, methodical crime for which the suspects had trained 30 days. They were a loosely connected group of mostly day laborers who knew each other through a power washing business and an auto detailing operation.

"The execution was basically flawless," he said at a press conference. "The one gaping hole that would not have made this a perfect operation, if you will, was the fact that the surveillance system was not disabled. I guess the question was why was it not?"

Investigators have not said what was in the safe or what else was taken from the house. Morgan said they also don't know the identity of the mysterious person assigned to turn off the camera system or why that person didn't show up. He speculated that maybe it was an attack of conscience. "Who knows?" he said.

Also Wednesday, Morgan asked for the public's help in finding a real estate agent named Pamela Laverne Long. Police do not believe she was at the house the night the Billingses were killed but they do believe she rented property to one of the suspects, 35-year-old Leonard Gonzalez Jr., whom Morgan described as a "pivotal person" in the operation.

Morgan also said they are looking for a second person of interest, though he didn't identify them. He said investigators believe Long has "significant and substantial information" needed to conclude the case.

Associated Press writers Melissa Nelson in Pensacola and Tamara Lush in Miami and the AP News Research Center in New York contributed to this report.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iTAOQx619OXpq7P0Jcpzqc9Zg-cwD99F1E7G0


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 02:26:49 PM
Great job IM!!!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel::

Thanks...........I'm posting the pre-foreclosure records and FTLOG on eof the people I work with bought a lot from her and can't even remember  ::MonkeyConfused::


The number of Pages are estimated for documents where the Pages value is marked with *.
OrderFromToDateDocument TypeCountyInstrument NumberBook/PagePages
BANK OF NEW YORK MELLON;
BANK OF NEW YORK;
CWHEQ REVOLVING HOME EQUITY LOAN TRUST SERIES 2006 A;
JPMORGAN CHASE BANK N A TRUSTEELINK PAMELA A;
LINK PAMELA L;
LONG PAMELA;
MALDEN PAMELA LONG;
UNKNOWN PARTIES06/05/2009Lis PendensSANTA ROSA2009188852906/241
    Description: SOUNDVIEW WOODS 3RD ADD 4/B Case# 09-0940-CA01-MTG-B
SUNTRUST MORTGAGE INCLONG PAMELA;
UNKNOWN PARTIES;
VICTORIAN VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC06/16/2009Lis PendensSANTA ROSA2009202652908/7032
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 14/J Case# 2009-0991-CA01-MTG-A
BCAP LLC TRUST 2007 AA2;
DEUTSCHE BANK NATIONAL TRUST COMPANY TRUSTEELONG PAMELA L;
UNKNOWN PARTIES;
VICTORIAN VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION INC06/22/2009Lis PendensSANTA ROSA2009209942909/13921
    Description: VICTORIAN VILLAGE PH 3 2/1 Case# 09-1022-CA01-MTG-A
BRANCH BANKING AND TRUST COMPANYLONG PAMELA L;
UNKNOWN PARTIES12/22/2008Lis PendensSANTA ROSA2008476212871/15162
    Description: BLUE HERON COVE PH 4 LOT 57 Case# 081993CA01
QUALITY CONSTRUCTION;
LONG PAMELA LWEGLINSKI ADAM;
WEGLINSKI EVA06/30/1999LIS PENDENSSANTA ROSA9900269421766/6503
    Description: TOM KING EST 12/A 99-1315
STORMYS FILL DIRT AND HAULING;
HARVELL JAMES HENRY SRLONG PAMELA L12/22/1999LIS PENDENSSANTA ROSA9900501851799/1972
    Description: SANTA ROSA SHORES EAST 14,15/E 99-2609-C


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 02:37:12 PM
Brewton Man, An Air Force Staff Sergeant, Among Those Arrested For Beulah Murders
July 15, 2009
People that knew Donnie Stallworth Jr. of Brewton were in disbelief Tuesday when they learned that the Air Force staff sergeant had been accused in the murder of Melanie and Byrd Billings of Brewton.

“I could not believe what I was hearing or seeing. Remembering back, going to T.R. Miller High School with Donnie, he was not the type of person you thought would have done such a horrific thing to someone,” one person wrote on NorthEscambia.com “This is not the Donnie I knew 10 years ago. I wonder where he went wrong.”

Stallworth, who still has family in the Brewton area, is a 1999 graduate of T.R. Miller High School in Brewton.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said Tuesday that Stallworth was involved in last Thursday’s double murder in Beulah. NorthEscambia.com has learned that there was a warrant issued for his arrest in Escambia County by Tuesday afternoon.

About 9:00 Tuesday night, Stallworth turned himself in at the Escambia County (Ala.) Detention Center in Brewton. Stallworth has been stationed at Hurlburt Field since 2000.

Stallworth, who is an aircraft maintainer stationed at Hurlburt Field, was escorted in a Brewton courtroom Tuesday afternoon by officers that included Sheriff Grover Smith.

Stallworth did not waive extradition back to Florida, meaning he refused to be willingly returned to Florida. He will remain in the Escambia County Detention Center in Brewton on $1 million bond for up to 30 days while legal proceedings continue.

“I went to school with Donnie. He is the last person you would ever think of doing or being involved with people like that. I am sorry for the family that lost their mother and father but the Donnie I knew was no animal, devil or creep,” another poster wrote on NorthEscambia.com.

“Oh my goodness! I know Donnie. I went to high school with him! You would never, ever, ever believe he would be capable of something like this. He was always calm-natured and fun to be around,” another high school friend said.

Stallworth reportedly worked at an auto detailing shop in Fort Walton Beach with three other suspects in the murders –  Frederick Lee Thorton Jr., 19,  and  Rakeem Florence, 16.

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9492

(mods, they printed the 16 year olds name, but if it is inappropriate, please edit for me).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 02:39:38 PM
Wow, thanks for all the articles and info on this woman. My question, if she is a real estate agent, is it not odd, with foreclosures on properties?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 03:17:02 PM
Wow, thanks for all the articles and info on this woman. My question, if she is a real estate agent, is it not odd, with foreclosures on properties?

I'm not sure if she is a realtor OR investor, but yes she has 5 IIRC very recent "pre-foreclosures" and now they have announced yet ANOTHER press conference at 4pm CST.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 03:21:42 PM
Wow, thanks for all the articles and info on this woman. My question, if she is a real estate agent, is it not odd, with foreclosures on properties?

I'm not sure if she is a realtor OR investor, but yes she has 5 IIRC very recent "pre-foreclosures" and now they have announced yet ANOTHER press conference at 4pm CST.
Thanks for clearing that up, and even if she is an investor, she can't be a very good one.  I think the rumors you have heard where you live seems right, that this may be a hit. I'll watch the next presser, maybe they have had communication with this woman.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 03:46:55 PM
Wow, thanks for all the articles and info on this woman. My question, if she is a real estate agent, is it not odd, with foreclosures on properties?

I'm not sure if she is a realtor OR investor, but yes she has 5 IIRC very recent "pre-foreclosures" and now they have announced yet ANOTHER press conference at 4pm CST.
Thanks for clearing that up, and even if she is an investor, she can't be a very good one.  I think the rumors you have heard where you live seems right, that this may be a hit. I'll watch the next presser, maybe they have had communication with this woman.

They JUST FOUND HER!!!!! Heard that the circumstances surrounding where she was are unusual..........I must be crazy as I know I posted this somewhere else.

I agree NRCG~too elaborate for simple robbery/home invasion. The more detailed this bizarre crime gets, the more the "hit" rumors are starting to resonate.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue:: my bad-press conference starting at 3 pm CST. Pamela Long has been arrested, and will post any other info I get from presser. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 04:05:09 PM
Located in Orange Beach, AL (not far ditz  ::MonkeyDevil:: )........Reports ARE WRONG that she is in custody, she isn't in custody. Identified in a marina from the BOLO......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 04:09:28 PM
The presser is on HLN right now. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 04:11:52 PM
LIVE COVERAGE: Long Found, Not In Custody
July 15, 2009
BREAKING NEWS–LIVE COVERAGE–


Pamela Laverne Long, a person of interest in Billings murders has been found.

Sheriff David Morgan said she was located in Orange Beach, Alabama. Morgan said she is not in custody, but is driving back to Pensacola from Orange Beach, Alabama.

“We know that she was associated with Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. up until the day of the murders,” Morgan said. “She is a person of interest because of her association with him.”

A second person of interest is being sought because of their involvement with the security system at the Billings home.

LIVE details soon…

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9508


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
Still looking for another POI regarding the surveillance system. Word locally was that she was with Leonard Gonzales, JR until Thursday     ::MonkeyEek::


O/T ~ I LOVE this sheriff ::MonkeyTongue::

Curious as to whether DEA is or isn't involved and why her lawyer is bringing her back, why not just come back from across the beach on her own.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 04:16:04 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream2

Sorry, disregard this link.  Presser now over.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 15, 2009, 04:22:08 PM
updated article:

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9508

BREAKING NEWS –UPDATED 3:15 p.m. –


Pamela Laverne Long, a person of interest in Billings murders has been found.

Sheriff David Morgan said she was located in Orange Beach, Alabama, at a marina. Morgan said she is not in custody, but is driving back to Pensacola from Orange Beach, Alabama.

“We know that she was associated with Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. up until the day of the murders,” Morgan said. “She is a person of interest because of her association with him.”

Mogan described Long as both a landlord and friend to Gonzalez Jr. She is considered both a suspect and a witness.

A second person of interest is being sought because of their involvement with the security system at the Billings home. The person was exterior to the home and not in the house.


There were two possibilities in shutting down the security system at the Billings home — either access from within the home or remotely via the Internet.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 04:26:09 PM
Thanks for the update.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 15, 2009, 04:40:28 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.couple.slain/
Police find woman wanted for questioning in Fla. killings case
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- Authorities have located a woman they want to question in connection with the slaying of a couple who adopted special-needs children, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said Wednesday.
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/CRIME/07/15/florida.couple.slain/art.long.cnn.jpg)
Pamela Long, also known as Pamela Wiggins and by other names, is a "person of interest" in the Florida case.
 Pamela Laverne Long has been found in Orange Beach, Alabama, Morgan said.

She is returning to Escambia County, Florida, he said.

Long is a real estate agent and had rented property to one of the suspects already arrested in the case, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., according to Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan, who described Long as a "person of interest."

"We believe Miss Long has significant and substantial information we need to conclude this case," Morgan said.

Morgan said Long used numerous aliases -- Pamela Long Wiggins, Pamela Elle Malden, Pamela Long Link and Pamela Laverne Long Coco -- but cautioned that the aliases may simply be the result of numerous marriages. Long is not believed to be a danger to the community, he said.

The sheriff said a second "person of interest" was also being sought for questioning, but he did not elaborate.

Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot and killed July 9 in their Beulah, Florida, home near the Alabama state line. Law enforcement officials said a safe and other items were missing from the house and have cited robbery as a motive. Video Watch surveillance video of the home invasion »

Seven males-- one of them a 16-year-old -- are already in custody and will face murder charges in the killings. Morgan said the seven suspects are the ones who actually entered the Billingses' home. Video Watch officials express relief at arrests »

Police said Tuesday they know the name and location of one more suspect involved in the crime. Morgan would not say Wednesday if Long was that person.

The sheriff's news conference came shortly after the Drug Enforcement Administration confirmed it is assisting in the probe of the murders. Video Watch sheriff describe crimes »

"Escambia County sheriff's department did call for our assistance this week," David Melenkevitz, spokesman for the DEA in Miami, Florida, said.

Morgan wouldn't confirm the DEA's involvement during the briefing to reporters.
 The Billingses at one time had 13 adopted children, many with special needs. Three of those children had died over the years. The couple also each had two biological children of their own, but no biological children together.

Nine of the couple's children were home at the time of the incident, Morgan said Tuesday, and police believe three of them saw the intruders. One managed to flee the home and seek help at a neighbor's house, the sheriff said.

Authorities have said the break-in was well-rehearsed and that at least two of the suspects had military training. Morgan said the men were on the Billingses' property for 10 minutes and were in and out of the house in four. Video Watch experts describe the "military-style" attack »

But the sheriff said Wednesday there was a "gaping hole" in what was otherwise a well-executed crime: "Why was the security system not disabled?"


"The execution was basically flawless," and authorities believe the suspects "entered the compound with the belief that they were not under surveillance," Morgan said.

"We're now looking at anyone who may have had an involvement with the security system," he said. "We believe that there is an additional person, and that was their task and they failed."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 04:44:31 PM


Investigators work at a marina in Orange Beach, Ala., where Pamela Long was found. Sheriff David Morgan said Long is returning of her own volition. (Brian Kelly / bkelly@pnj.com)

 
Purchase this Photo

Investigators lead Pamela Long, left, from a dock at The Wharf in Orange Beach, Ala. She is a person of interest in the Billings murder case and is returning to Escambia County. (Brian Kelly / bkelly@pnj.com)

 
Pamela Long is being sought for questioning by Escambia County deputies.

Gonzalez Jr. talks talk, won't walk



 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 15, 2009, 04:59:14 PM
Thanks, Pamela looks bigger then the picture that LE showed, must have been her drivers license.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 15, 2009, 05:05:43 PM
Thanks, Pamela looks bigger then the picture that LE showed, must have been her drivers license.

 ::MonkeyRoll:: I wasn't even going to touch that one~but, I'd have NEVER recognized her, would you have??????  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 15, 2009, 05:13:26 PM
Thanks, Pamela looks bigger then the picture that LE showed, must have been her drivers license.
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 15, 2009, 05:33:14 PM
If all they had was her driver's license picture, I'm amazed she was ever found! That's some disguise she's wearing.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 15, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
Island, or any other monkey that might know, what time of day was this when the murders happened? Why I am asking is it appeared to be daylight in the videos I have seen. It must have been early in the morning, and all the more confusing, because of that time of day, it may have been more likely that someone would have been awake and seen them. I thought I heard that they were murdered in their bedroom, which made me think they were still asleep. I wondered about the alarm system, and did they really have a dog, as there was a "Bad Dog" sign on a fence.

Possibly not asleep, though. Maybe they were taken to the room where the safe was, and it was probably in a closet of the bedroom. Also, for the number of people involved, it may have been for the size and weight of the safe.

It is all a very strange case. I am very familiar with the area. I used to live on the Alabama coast, and we were almost sister cities. The whole thing makes me very sad. We were looking today at a picture that was taken from the Dairy Queen parking lot overlooking the I-10 bridge that was destroyed by hurricaine Ivan later.

I saw the press conference today with the Escambia County Sheriff and thought it was very well done. At least this happened in Florida, where we will be getting more information further down the road due to the Sunshine Laws.

God Bless these people.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I totally agree that something doesn't add up in this case; 30 days of these monsters "practicing", 7 arrested, one more they are waiting to arrest.....I'm starting to wonder if the rumors we are hearing are true.

Fanny, IIRC these murders happened sometime after 7pm last Thursday night which was perfect timing as last week was "Blue Angel's Week", with over 100m more people on the beach and so most of Escambia County and even Santa Rosa County cops were on the beach. Apparantly the murders are even on the video tapes the LE retrieved from the Billing's home.......SICK!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you live Orange Beach, Perdido Key, Gulf Shores????

Ivan did bring mass destruction here, although I wasn't living on the beach at the time but there are a ton of empty lots scattered along the beach still today.
A little O/T

IM, sorry to be so long answering you. I did not live in any of those places, but in Mobile. I grew up there and spent many summers and happy times in Orange Beach, Gulf Shores and at Pirates Cove on Perdido Bay. The last time I stayed there was at the Phoenix Condos, but growing up there were cottages all along the beach before Fredrick got them. After that the real estate moguls came in and bought them up and built all the high rises.

Pensacola beach was also a stomping grounds for me most of my life. The Perdido bridge on the west end of Perdido Key was nicknamed by my family the "Wow Bridge" because the view was so breathtaking, the water so beautiful and the sand so powder white.

Florabama was "the place" to go and spent many a happy time there with the sand floors. We met Jimmy Buffet at Pirates Cove, south of Elberta. He was as friendly and nice guy as he appeared on stage.

We always went over to see the Blue Angels, and practice day was just as fun as the real performance. It is hard to explain to someone who hasn't seen those low passes over the water and the boats and people. I miss the area very much.

It is so horrible to think that this kind of crime has happened in a little place like Beulah. It was always so peaceful to drive thru, but I really didn't know anyone that lived there.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am seeing no names that I or my family recognize so far. I hope I don't end up knowing those creeps. They are not on my radar from my LE years either. I am holding my breath for the next shoe to drop.
It sound to me like it is not over.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Toler on July 15, 2009, 11:52:12 PM
Murder of Couple With 16 Kids
Pamela Long Wiggins Is Eighth Person Charged in Deaths During Florida Home Invasion
By LEE FERRAN, STEVE OSUNSAMI, EMILY FRIEDMAN and BILL McGUIRE
July 15, 2009 
72 comments Font Size   PrintRSSE-mailShare this story with friendsFacebookRedditTwitterStumbleUponMore
A woman sought as a "person of interest" in the killing of Florida super parents Byrd and Melanie Billings was charged late Wednesday with being an accessory after the fact for felony murder.

Ashley Markham talks about the investigation and the hope for her siblings.Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, had returned to Florida Wednesday with a police escort for questioning, just hours after police held up her photo in a nationally televised news conference. She is the eighth person to be charged in connection with the case that has rocked the Florida panhandle.

Wiggins is a real estate agent with ties to two of the men already in custody. Police don't believe she was at the house at the time of the shooting.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said in a news conference that Wiggins has a lawyer and spoke with his investigators. More details of her alleged involvement in the case will be provided at a news conference set for 10 a.m. ET Thursday.

Wiggins was spotted by Alabama police in a marina in the town of Orange Beach and apparently did not know police were searching for her.

Wiggins is a "family friend" and landlord to Leonard Gonzalez Jr., who police called a "pivotal" player in the July 9 double murder, Morgan said.

"We know she was associated with [Gonzalez Jr.] up until the day of the murders," Morgan said.

Morgan says that Wiggins has several aliases, including Pamela Wiggins, Pamela Malden, Pamela Long and Pamela Laverne Long Coco, according to NorthEscambia.com.

Eight suspects are now in custody and there are other person of interest, in what Morgan called a "perfect executed" murder. However, police said they believe they have all those who entered the house in custody.

One other unidentified person of interest, police believe, was someone who was tasked with disabling the Billings' elaborate surveillance system, but failed to do so.

"Obviously there was supposed to be an eight or ninth person" that was supposed to take care of the survellance, Morgan said. "To the best of my knowledge [that person of interest] was not in the home" during the murders.

According to public records consistent with information provided by Morgan, Wiggins is a 47-year-old Georgia woman who was charged with felony grand theft in 1988. That charge was dropped to a misdemeanor to which she pleaded guilty.

The deaths of the Billings couple shocked the country because they had dedicated their lives to caring for disabled children. They had four children of their own, but adopted 12 others, including children with Down syndrome and cerebral palsy.

Earlier Wednesday, the Billings' oldest daughter said she is shocked at the brutal killings that left her and 16 other siblings parentless.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8086274&page=1

More at link and lots of comments.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: crazybabyborg on July 16, 2009, 07:57:22 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I just heard on the morning news that there will be a presser at 10:00am today. They've charged Long with accessory after the fact, and said they were able to obtain evidence from her that should help in obtaining convictions in this case.

I hope so! This is one of the most bizarre cases I've ever seen!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 09:33:24 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

I just heard on the morning news that there will be a presser at 10:00am today. They've charged Long with accessory after the fact, and said they were able to obtain evidence from her that should help in obtaining convictions in this case.

I hope so! This is one of the most bizarre cases I've ever seen!
I also saw this on the news this morning  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 09:55:59 AM
Island, or any other monkey that might know, what time of day was this when the murders happened? Why I am asking is it appeared to be daylight in the videos I have seen. It must have been early in the morning, and all the more confusing, because of that time of day, it may have been more likely that someone would have been awake and seen them. I thought I heard that they were murdered in their bedroom, which made me think they were still asleep. I wondered about the alarm system, and did they really have a dog, as there was a "Bad Dog" sign on a fence.

Possibly not asleep, though. Maybe they were taken to the room where the safe was, and it was probably in a closet of the bedroom. Also, for the number of people involved, it may have been for the size and weight of the safe.

It is all a very strange case. I am very familiar with the area. I used to live on the Alabama coast, and we were almost sister cities. The whole thing makes me very sad. We were looking today at a picture that was taken from the Dairy Queen parking lot overlooking the I-10 bridge that was destroyed by hurricaine Ivan later.

I saw the press conference today with the Escambia County Sheriff and thought it was very well done. At least this happened in Florida, where we will be getting more information further down the road due to the Sunshine Laws.

God Bless these people.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I totally agree that something doesn't add up in this case; 30 days of these monsters "practicing", 7 arrested, one more they are waiting to arrest.....I'm starting to wonder if the rumors we are hearing are true.

Fanny, IIRC these murders happened sometime after 7pm last Thursday night which was perfect timing as last week was "Blue Angel's Week", with over 100m more people on the beach and so most of Escambia County and even Santa Rosa County cops were on the beach. Apparantly the murders are even on the video tapes the LE retrieved from the Billing's home.......SICK!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you live Orange Beach, Perdido Key, Gulf Shores????

Ivan did bring mass destruction here, although I wasn't living on the beach at the time but there are a ton of empty lots scattered along the beach still today.
A little O/T

IM, sorry to be so long answering you. I did not live in any of those places, but in Mobile. I grew up there and spent many summers and happy times in Orange Beach, Gulf Shores and at Pirates Cove on Perdido Bay. The last time I stayed there was at the Phoenix Condos, but growing up there were cottages all along the beach before Fredrick got them. After that the real estate moguls came in and bought them up and built all the high rises.

Pensacola beach was also a stomping grounds for me most of my life. The Perdido bridge on the west end of Perdido Key was nicknamed by my family the "Wow Bridge" because the view was so breathtaking, the water so beautiful and the sand so powder white.

Florabama was "the place" to go and spent many a happy time there with the sand floors. We met Jimmy Buffet at Pirates Cove, south of Elberta. He was as friendly and nice guy as he appeared on stage.

We always went over to see the Blue Angels, and practice day was just as fun as the real performance. It is hard to explain to someone who hasn't seen those low passes over the water and the boats and people. I miss the area very much.

It is so horrible to think that this kind of crime has happened in a little place like Beulah. It was always so peaceful to drive thru, but I really didn't know anyone that lived there.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I am seeing no names that I or my family recognize so far. I hope I don't end up knowing those creeps. They are not on my radar from my LE years either. I am holding my breath for the next shoe to drop.
It sound to me like it is not over.   ::MonkeyAngel::


I agree Fanny~there is NO way to describe to sound and feel from when the Blues buzz you, and usually every Sunday they buzz the beach when returning from an air show-I never get tired of it.

This case is getting stranger by the hour.....news today states she has a Rolls Royce, a 45 ft, yacht (also heard this was Gonzales, Jr's yacht though), and 5 properties in pre-foreclosure. HELLO what is wrong with this picture. They are having another presser in about 4 minutes so I will report anything I find out.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 11:07:57 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: Just a quick note~I just heard that there was some evidence found at the wharf marina at Orange Beach, AL.........still waiting on presser.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 12:04:53 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Just a quick note~I just heard that there was some evidence found at the wharf marina at Orange Beach, AL.........still waiting on presser.
I could have sworn they found the safe at the marina, but haven't heard anymore on it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 12:10:10 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: Just a quick note~I just heard that there was some evidence found at the wharf marina at Orange Beach, AL.........still waiting on presser.
I could have sworn they found the safe at the marina, but haven't heard anymore on it.

That's what we have heard, and also what it looked like in the local video.....but, this crazy biatch is reportedly already out on bond!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 12:19:02 PM
I will say one thing LE has done a fantastic job with everything so far. But I'm sure they must be shocked where all this is leading  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: msmarple on July 16, 2009, 12:29:21 PM
At this am's presser - safe recovered, and probably murder weapon(s) ...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 12:32:55 PM
I will say one thing LE has done a fantastic job with everything so far. But I'm sure they must be shocked where all this is leading  ::MonkeyEek::

I think so too, and I remember way back the sheriff stating that "it's like a humdinger (southern word) movie script", also just heard from locals that the safe was found in Pamela Long Wiggins back yard in Gulf Breeze, so have heard marina and back yard so far...........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 12:37:18 PM
I only saw part of the presser. From the looks of it, I think the safe was found on the Yatch she was on, and maybe the gun/guns. We were wondering this morning if it was on the boat, heavy as it was, how did they get in on board without tipping it over. Were they planning on taking it out in the gulf and dumping it?? That would have been a feat in itself. Or were they going to go to some other port or even to the islands? Lots of questions going around in my mind.

And how in the world is she out on bond already? That smirk she had on her face yesterday reminded me of Casey. She acted like she was going to a party, rather than being arrested.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 12:48:10 PM
I only saw part of the presser. From the looks of it, I think the safe was found on the Yatch she was on, and maybe the gun/guns. We were wondering this morning if it was on the boat, heavy as it was, how did they get in on board without tipping it over. Were they planning on taking it out in the gulf and dumping it?? That would have been a feat in itself. Or were they going to go to some other port or even to the islands? Lots of questions going around in my mind.

And how in the world is she out on bond already? That smirk she had on her face yesterday reminded me of Casey. She acted like she was going to a party, rather than being arrested.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought it came from the yacht too, which is large enough if you saw how big the safe was (I have one that size for old videos, photos and legal papers), and a 45 ft yacht would be plenty big enough to carry it off to some Island......I just can't figure out why she didn't go further away than OB, Al?????? Nor why she is out on 10m bond ......I agree she looked like a smart azz after they arrested her. Now, who wants to bid for the yacht that the Marshall's will soon be auctioning off  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 12:55:02 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Finally her arrest records........look at the confidential info portion, crap I hope Florida's liberal sunshine laws untangle that  ::MonkeyTongue::

Rcd  Party Type  Name  Race  Gender  D.O.B. / D.O.D. 
1  Defendant  LONGWIGGINS, PAMELA     XRef-ID: 41108135  W  F  10/22/1961 
Address: 1206 SOUNDVIEW TRL GULF BREEZE FL  32561  (Home Address on 07/16/2009)
 
PARTY CHARGE SUMMARY 
Rcd  Chg/
Cnt  Phase  Charge Description  Charge Disposition  Disposition Date 
1  1  Initial  PUBLIC ORDER CRIMES-ACCESSORY AFT THE FACT 3RD DEG   
DISPOSITIONS 
Rcd  Status  Status Date  Disposition Code  Disp Date  Judge 
1  OPEN  07/16/2009  Undisposed   B / BELL , FRANK L 
DOCKETS 
Rcd  Date  Description  Document Tag # 
1   07/16/2009    NEW CASE AFFIDAVIT PROCESSED   
2   07/16/2009    ARREST DATE: 7/15/2009   
3   07/16/2009    DOCUMENT FILED WITH CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION   
4   07/16/2009    ARREST REPORT FILED   
EVENTS 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 01:59:37 PM
Source: Pensacola News Journal:

Wiggins drove van, hid safe
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 16, 2009
·         
·         
·         
Before the planned invasion of the Billingses’ compound, a red minivan was left at a predetermined location near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said. That minivan belonged to Pamela Wiggins, according to a police report.


Defendants cooperating with investigators said that the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred into Wiggins’ minivan which was later observed at a her antique business in the 4300 of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.
Wiggins was a passenger while the Billingses’ safe and the guns were in the van “and had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide.”
A neighbor reported that a second red vehicle sped away from Gonzalez Sr.’s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside.
Hugh Wiggins, her husband, told investigators during an interview that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses’ home and was hidden in the back yard of one of his wife’s homes, the report said.
Property records show that Wiggins owns at least six pieces of property in Santa Rosa County. The arrest report doesn’t indicate where the safe was found.




ADD to this, if you do a google map search of 1206 soundview, gulf breeze, fl and do the street view, she has this red mini-van parked in her yard!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 02:02:55 PM
Source: Pensacola News Journal:

Wiggins drove van, hid safe
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 16, 2009
·         
·         
·         
Before the planned invasion of the Billingses’ compound, a red minivan was left at a predetermined location near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said. That minivan belonged to Pamela Wiggins, according to a police report.


Defendants cooperating with investigators said that the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred into Wiggins’ minivan which was later observed at a her antique business in the 4300 of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.
Wiggins was a passenger while the Billingses’ safe and the guns were in the van “and had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide.”
A neighbor reported that a second red vehicle sped away from Gonzalez Sr.’s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside.
Hugh Wiggins, her husband, told investigators during an interview that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses’ home and was hidden in the back yard of one of his wife’s homes, the report said.
Property records show that Wiggins owns at least six pieces of property in Santa Rosa County. The arrest report doesn’t indicate where the safe was found.




ADD to this, if you do a google map search of 1206 soundview, gulf breeze, fl and do the street view, she has this red mini-van parked in her yard!  ::MonkeyConfused::

Forgot the link:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1206+soundview+trail,+gulf+breeze,+fl&oe=utf8&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=us&ei=El1fSqo6kZ4xu4qwrgI&ll=30.357934,-87.167308&spn=0,359.986417&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=30.353107,-87.167222&panoid=OdMeBgYuYaQakU0dWhSQVQ&cbp=12,348.96,,1,-3.82



Her house actually shows up as 1230 Soundview Trail on the north side of the street, not directly on the sound side.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 02:20:17 PM
Wow, and the house where the red van is parked, is one great looking house.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 03:30:32 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090716/ap_on_re_us/us_florida_couple_slain
Loose ends still need tying in Fla. couple deaths
July 16, 2009
  By BILL KACZOR, Associated Press Writer Bill Kaczor, Associated Press Writer   – 42 mins ago

PENSACOLA, Fla. – Investigators have found a safe stolen during a precisely executed, deadly home break-in at the home of a wealthy Florida Panhandle couple, authorities said Thursday.

Melanie and Byrd Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, were fatally shot last week. Surveillance cameras captured footage of masked men — some dressed as ninjas — slipping into front and back doors of their home near Pensacola.

Eight people have been charged — seven with murder and one with being an accessory after the fact

State Attorney Bill Eddins wouldn't say where the safe was found, what was in it or what else might have been taken from the home.

He also said investigators have found several guns, including at least one they believe was used to kill the Billingses.

Eddins said the case was mostly wrapped up.

"In our opinion this was a home invasion robbery where the people stole a safe," he said. "It was as simple as that as to the motive."

But Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said at a news conference with Eddins that other motives may emerge and there are still people investigators want to talk to.

"We have some people of interest that we're continuing to look at and I can tell you that those are now numerous people," Morgan said.

One of those people may have been someone who failed to carry out an assignment to disable surveillance cameras at the sprawling nine-bedroom home.

Morgan said a major hole in the investigation is why the cameras weren't turned off, marring an otherwise perfect crime. The surveillance videos led investigators to a red van used as a used as a getaway car and eventually to the suspects, a loosely connected group of mostly day laborers who knew each other through a power washing business and an auto detailing operation.

"It is a combination of friendships, casual business relationships that brought this group together," Morgan said.

Deputies on Wednesday arrested the eighth suspect, 47-year-old Pamela Long Wiggins, charging her with accessory after the fact to murder, which carries a maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

The other seven — six men an a 16-year-old boy — each face two counts of murder.

Wiggins was freed on a $10,000 bond, the teen is being held in detention and the six men are jailed without bond.

Morgan has said Wiggins is a friend and landlord to 35-year-old Leonard Gonzalez Jr., described as a "pivotal person" in organizing the break-in. Gonzalez, who is charged with murder, proclaimed his innocence in court Tuesday.

Morgan said Thursday that Wiggins led them to evidence, though he would not be more specific.

Morgan also confirmed that the Drug Enforcement Administration is assisting with the investigation of the suspects, but he said the agency is not investigating the Billings family.

He said Escambia County officials have also sought help from other federal agencies including the FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Nine of the couple's 13 adopted children were home during the break-in. Three saw the intruders but were not hurt. The couple also had four children from previous marriages.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 03:32:47 PM
Wow, and the house where the red van is parked, is one great looking house.

And in a high dollar area, Gulf Breeze proper, right across the street from the sound which is directly before the beach over the bridge.......I'll have to check to see if this was one of her homes in pre-foreclosure.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 16, 2009, 03:43:59 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 03:48:21 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.

 From the news articles posted here, it looks like DEA, ATF, FBI and etc. are all on board in the investigation.  Between them, I hope for a thorough investigation.  I hope each and every possible lead is followed.  I hope each person that has ANY kind of involvement in this is followed up on and brought in and charged if charges can be made.  I hope they nail the people responsible for this to the wall.  I'm mighty interested to find out what was worth so much to the people who committed this crime?  They must have been extremely confident they would be able to pull off this off.   It looks like so far, there are at LEAST 8 people that had knowledge this crime was in the plans.  There were guns involved and used to shoot the Billings. To me, if you bring in guns, you intend to shoot.  If you intend to shoot, you intend to kill.  Trigger man or not, they all have blood on their hands.  And there is a house full of disabled children without parents.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I keep wonder if maybe a couple of these guys were just losers in life.  Maybe they felt superior or maybe they enjoyed the thrill of the practicing, since it appears there was at least a month's planning.  Was it desperation?  I don't know.  It's hard for me to think like someone that would do these things.  All jmho.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 03:56:24 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Breaking info: Pam Wiggins Red minivan (in the photo of home I linked) was the other get-a-way vehicle, it carried the safe and the guns to the backyard of a home she owned.......that's FAR worse than accessory after the fact, sounds more like conspiracy to me ::MonkeyNoNo::


That house posted IS in preforeclosure  ::MonkeyTongue:: Just thought I'd check that specific property out.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 03:58:30 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.

 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045

Looks like we were right according to what was just released........Love your new avi also Muffy, everyone looks so cute in their summer duds!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 16, 2009, 04:00:42 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Breaking info: Pam Wiggins Red minivan (in the photo of home I linked) was the other get-a-way vehicle, it carried the safe and the guns to the backyard of a home she owned.......that's FAR worse than accessory after the fact, sounds more like conspiracy to me ::MonkeyNoNo::


That house posted IS in preforeclosure  ::MonkeyTongue:: Just thought I'd check that specific property out.
This is the strangest case. You very seldom see so many people involved in a home invasion. Wonder what was all in that safe?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 04:06:20 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Breaking info: Pam Wiggins Red minivan (in the photo of home I linked) was the other get-a-way vehicle, it carried the safe and the guns to the backyard of a home she owned.......that's FAR worse than accessory after the fact, sounds more like conspiracy to me ::MonkeyNoNo::


That house posted IS in preforeclosure  ::MonkeyTongue:: Just thought I'd check that specific property out.
This is the strangest case. You very seldom see so many people involved in a home invasion. Wonder what was all in that safe?

I can't even imagine....it didn't look that big and unless they had a chitload of bearer bonds, I can't imagine what could be split 9 ways so far....I've never seen anything involving this many people ever.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 04:08:23 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090716/NEWS01/90716008

Wiggins rode in van, hid Billings' safe
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 16, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  Before the planned invasion of the Billingses’ compound, a red minivan was left near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said.



That minivan belonged to Pamela Wiggins, according to a police report.


Defendants cooperating with investigators said that the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred into Wiggins’ minivan which was later observed at a her antique business in the 4300 of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.


Wiggins was a passenger while the Billingses’ safe and the guns were in the van “and had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide.”


A neighbor reported that a second red vehicle sped away from Gonzalez Sr.’s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside.


Hugh Wiggins, her husband, told investigators during an interview that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses’ home and was hidden in the back yard of one of his wife’s homes, the report said.


Property records show that Wiggins owns at least six pieces of property in Santa Rosa County. The arrest report doesn’t indicate where the safe was found.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.

 From the news articles posted here, it looks like DEA, ATF, FBI and etc. are all on board in the investigation.  Between them, I hope for a thorough investigation.  I hope each and every possible lead is followed.  I hope each person that has ANY kind of involvement in this is followed up on and brought in and charged if charges can be made.  I hope they nail the people responsible for this to the wall.  I'm mighty interested to find out what was worth so much to the people who committed this crime?  They must have been extremely confident they would be able to pull off this off.   It looks like so far, there are at LEAST 8 people that had knowledge this crime was in the plans.  There were guns involved and used to shoot the Billings. To me, if you bring in guns, you intend to shoot.  If you intend to shoot, you intend to kill.  Trigger man or not, they all have blood on their hands.  And there is a house full of disabled children without parents.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I keep wonder if maybe a couple of these guys were just losers in life.  Maybe they felt superior or maybe they enjoyed the thrill of the practicing, since it appears there was at least a month's planning.  Was it desperation?  I don't know.  It's hard for me to think like someone that would do these things.  All jmho.

Bumping my own quote, because I modified my post.  I am in agreement with what was said, and wanted to add the above. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 04:11:03 PM
I wonder about Hugh Wiggins.  Did he know or suspect ANYTHING at all about this before it happened?  And what about after? 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 04:24:16 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.

 From the news articles posted here, it looks like DEA, ATF, FBI and etc. are all on board in the investigation.  Between them, I hope for a thorough investigation.  I hope each and every possible lead is followed.  I hope each person that has ANY kind of involvement in this is followed up on and brought in and charged if charges can be made.  I hope they nail the people responsible for this to the wall.  I'm mighty interested to find out what was worth so much to the people who committed this crime?  They must have been extremely confident they would be able to pull off this off.   It looks like so far, there are at LEAST 8 people that had knowledge this crime was in the plans.  There were guns involved and used to shoot the Billings. To me, if you bring in guns, you intend to shoot.  If you intend to shoot, you intend to kill.  Trigger man or not, they all have blood on their hands.  And there is a house full of disabled children without parents.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I keep wonder if maybe a couple of these guys were just losers in life.  Maybe they felt superior or maybe they enjoyed the thrill of the practicing, since it appears there was at least a month's planning.  Was it desperation?  I don't know.  It's hard for me to think like someone that would do these things.  All jmho.

Bumping my own quote, because I modified my post.  I am in agreement with what was said, and wanted to add the above. 

I have heard around here Gonzales, jr (the pivotal role played by this jerkwad), has a major attitide problems and thinks he is superior to others with hisx martial arts ). His neigbhors complained about how he would whip out a gun in the yard and threaten anyone over anything.

I agree they ALL (even the 16 yr old) have blood on their hands and now the Markhams are left too pick up the pieces from a already fragile family that is now broken.

Ditto on everything you posted!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 04:26:48 PM
I wonder about Hugh Wiggins.  Did he know or suspect ANYTHING at all about this before it happened?  And what about after? 


I'm curious too~he is on one of the sites talking about how much "unaccounted for money" and how capable she is of being involved in this type of crime, I'll see if I can find it for you before I go home.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 16, 2009, 04:39:17 PM
There had to be - or at least the perps thought there was - something in that safe they could either cash in or cash itself, or jewelry?  Surely they would realize they couldn't just pawn stuff that was the Billings personal property.  Unless of course they were going to get away on a boat, out of the country and hock the contents.

They KNEW where the safe was.  They KNEW the layout of the house.  HOW?  They were only on the property 10 minutes.  That included breaking in, shooting the Billings, getting the safe, stealing other things, loading the safe in the van and leaving.  That's not much time.

As much as it seems the suspects are talking, I would imagine LE probably has a pretty good idea by now.

I also agree with you Muffy - they ALL have blood on their hands. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 04:47:18 PM
There had to be - or at least the perps thought there was - something in that safe they could either cash in or cash itself, or jewelry?  Surely they would realize they couldn't just pawn stuff that was the Billings personal property.  Unless of course they were going to get away on a boat, out of the country and hock the contents.

They KNEW where the safe was.  They KNEW the layout of the house.  HOW?  They were only on the property 10 minutes.  That included breaking in, shooting the Billings, getting the safe, stealing other things, loading the safe in the van and leaving.  That's not much time.

As much as it seems the suspects are talking, I would imagine LE probably has a pretty good idea by now.

I also agree with you Muffy - they ALL have blood on their hands. 

Like I said, unless they had bearer bonds in that safe splitting jewelry, etc among nine people makes NO sense to me. On top of that they were only in the house 4 minutes total, and the murder is on the surveillance-makes me wonder wtf these monsters were doing for the previous 30 days........and why they even did this while it was light outside..........IMO, nothing adds up and the sheriff just stated last hour he expects motive to play out the further we get into this.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 05:09:22 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: Seven weapons recovered so far, at least one is a 9mm.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 05:13:58 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 16, 2009, 05:29:05 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.


This one she is seperated from and he stated he had been trying to obtain a divorce for yrs.....let me find his info for you.


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2769.shtml


CYL~outta here until tomorrow! Have a great night.......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 16, 2009, 06:09:19 PM
Ya'll have done a great job gathering information.  Thank you.

I read that Pamela just married again in December of last year, according to court records.
Yet the estranged husband says he has been trying to divorce her for years. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think she and Gonzales, Jr. are the masterminds of the whole thing.  I can't figure why they
made her bond so low.

There is more to this story than we know at this time. IMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 06:37:28 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2769.shtml


CYL~outta here until tomorrow! Have a great night.......



Thank you for the link IM.  I was also able to see some of the videos and get more background information.  I hadn't seen some of the information in the videos in the general news.  All quite interesting.  I wonder if there will be more charges forthcoming for Pamela Wiggins?  And I hope LE finds out why the security cameras weren't turned off.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 16, 2009, 06:38:55 PM
Ya'll have done a great job gathering information.  Thank you.

I read that Pamela just married again in December of last year, according to court records.
Yet the estranged husband says he has been trying to divorce her for years. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think she and Gonzales, Jr. are the masterminds of the whole thing.  I can't figure why they
made her bond so low.

There is more to this story than we know at this time. IMO

I agree with you Magnolia.  There is more to this story. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.


This one she is seperated from and he stated he had been trying to obtain a divorce for yrs.....let me find his info for you.


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2769.shtml


CYL~outta here until tomorrow! Have a great night.......


TY IM.  Sorry I missed you.  That was a very interesting video at the link you posted.  You are so helpful.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 06:44:26 PM
I only saw part of the presser. From the looks of it, I think the safe was found on the Yatch she was on, and maybe the gun/guns. We were wondering this morning if it was on the boat, heavy as it was, how did they get in on board without tipping it over. Were they planning on taking it out in the gulf and dumping it?? That would have been a feat in itself. Or were they going to go to some other port or even to the islands? Lots of questions going around in my mind.

And how in the world is she out on bond already? That smirk she had on her face yesterday reminded me of Casey. She acted like she was going to a party, rather than being arrested.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I thought it came from the yacht too, which is large enough if you saw how big the safe was (I have one that size for old videos, photos and legal papers), and a 45 ft yacht would be plenty big enough to carry it off to some Island......I just can't figure out why she didn't go further away than OB, Al?????? Nor why she is out on 10m bond ......I agree she looked like a smart azz after they arrested her. Now, who wants to bid for the yacht that the Marshall's will soon be auctioning off  ::MonkeyDevil::

It wasn't the carrying it on the 45 footer, it was getting the weight of that thing loaded on the boat without tipping it, especially if you were doing it by hand. I guess a small crane or or chain fall/hoist could do it and would probably be one in the vicinity of the marina.

However, it is neither here nor there because the safe was found in the back of her mini van along with gun(s) behind a house.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 06:47:47 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2769.shtml


CYL~outta here until tomorrow! Have a great night.......



Thank you for the link IM.  I was also able to see some of the videos and get more background information.  I hadn't seen some of the information in the videos in the general news.  All quite interesting.  I wonder if there will be more charges forthcoming for Pamela Wiggins?  And I hope LE finds out why the security cameras weren't turned off.

I agree MuffyBee.  I hope there are heavier charges coming down the pike for Ms. Pamela.  It sure sounds like she was one of the heavier "players".


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 06:49:10 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.

Sorry about your computer Cece. Hope you get your regular back soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
Ya'll have done a great job gathering information.  Thank you.

I read that Pamela just married again in December of last year, according to court records.
Yet the estranged husband says he has been trying to divorce her for years. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think she and Gonzales, Jr. are the masterminds of the whole thing.  I can't figure why they
made her bond so low.

There is more to this story than we know at this time. IMO

I agree with you Magnolia.  There is more to this story. 

I just can't figure why the low bond for Pamela Wiggins, or whoever she is. It seems like with access to a boat and money she would be a flight risk. Maybe they are hoping she will lead them to some others that are involved. So far, it seems the Escambia County Sheriff's Office and the other federal agencies are handling this pretty well. I pray they are.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 06:53:38 PM
It was also interesting in that video that they mention a "possible" connection to  Mexican drug runners & a gang MS13.  (At least that's what I thougth they were saying).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 06:55:05 PM
Ya'll have done a great job gathering information.  Thank you.

I read that Pamela just married again in December of last year, according to court records.
Yet the estranged husband says he has been trying to divorce her for years. ::MonkeyConfused::

I think she and Gonzales, Jr. are the masterminds of the whole thing.  I can't figure why they
made her bond so low.

There is more to this story than we know at this time. IMO

I wonder how many times that b*tch has been married. I think that explains all the alias'.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
Thank you so much everyone for all the updates.  I had a major computer melt down yesterday right after I made my last post here & am now on a temporary computer till mine is fixed.  I missed the pressors & everything else.  Sorry to be off topic, but I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate all your good work.
 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad they found Pamela & LE is doing a great job!  I just can't believe she already bonded out.  I would think she would be a flight risk.  And her husband.  Big questions there.  Did they live together, separated, divorced?

Anyway, thank you again for the great work.

Sorry about your computer Cece. Hope you get your regular back soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

TY Fanny Mae.  I am having trouble navigating this one & don't have my regular bookmarks, but I'm just glad to be able to catch up a little on what has been going on here.

Seems a lot is breaking fast & I'm so glad they were able to get the leads early on.  What a horrible crime.  It breaks my heart for their family.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 16, 2009, 07:00:03 PM
Good night Fanny Mae.  I'm going to try to read up on the Haleigh thread before I have to log off.  Hope you have a great evening.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(Sorry I'm off topic)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 16, 2009, 07:19:40 PM
Good night Fanny Mae.  I'm going to try to read up on the Haleigh thread before I have to log off.  Hope you have a great evening.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(Sorry I'm off topic)

Good Nite Cece. I'm going back on the other threads myself.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: k8 on July 16, 2009, 07:27:59 PM
The more that comes out, the madder and madder I get.  Disgusting.  I hope they throw the book at this Pamela person.  I hope they didn't make some kind of deal for the information.  What a sack of crap.  She knew.  Uggghh. 

I'm leaning that way too~I wonder if they are doing with they did Gonzales Sr, first they only charged him with tampering with evidence - now he has two cahrges of open murder on the books, I pray to God they are following her and keeping close tabs.

 From the news articles posted here, it looks like DEA, ATF, FBI and etc. are all on board in the investigation.  Between them, I hope for a thorough investigation.  I hope each and every possible lead is followed.  I hope each person that has ANY kind of involvement in this is followed up on and brought in and charged if charges can be made.  I hope they nail the people responsible for this to the wall.  I'm mighty interested to find out what was worth so much to the people who committed this crime?  They must have been extremely confident they would be able to pull off this off.   It looks like so far, there are at LEAST 8 people that had knowledge this crime was in the plans.  There were guns involved and used to shoot the Billings. To me, if you bring in guns, you intend to shoot.  If you intend to shoot, you intend to kill.  Trigger man or not, they all have blood on their hands.  And there is a house full of disabled children without parents.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  I keep wonder if maybe a couple of these guys were just losers in life.  Maybe they felt superior or maybe they enjoyed the thrill of the practicing, since it appears there was at least a month's planning.  Was it desperation?  I don't know.  It's hard for me to think like someone that would do these things.  All jmho.

Bumping my own quote, because I modified my post.  I am in agreement with what was said, and wanted to add the above. 

I have heard around here Gonzales, jr (the pivotal role played by this jerkwad), has a major attitide problems and thinks he is superior to others with hisx martial arts ). His neigbhors complained about how he would whip out a gun in the yard and threaten anyone over anything.

I agree they ALL (even the 16 yr old) have blood on their hands and now the Markhams are left too pick up the pieces from a already fragile family that is now broken.

Ditto on everything you posted!

Here is a link to Gonzales Jr that might give some insight about how crazy he is. An interview with his former in-laws. http://tiny.cc/GvjZc


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 16, 2009, 09:58:20 PM
This is from CBS:

  Documents obtained exclusively by CBS News shed light on the mindset and criminal past of the lead suspect in the grisly murder of a Florida couple who provided a home to 16 children.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. , 35, has been accused of being the "organizer" in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Beulah, Florida on July 9. So far, eight persons have been arrested in those murders, including Gonzalez, who is being held without bond.

Pamela Long Wiggins, the only woman charged in the case, was arrested earlier this week in Alabama. Wiggins may have personal ties to Gonzalez, the alleged mastermind of the robbery-murder attack.

CBS News has exclusively obtained the confidential deposition of Gonzalez Jr. in an unrelated case in Pensacola, Florida.

Gonzalez Jr. was subpoenaed by the State Attorney’s office and granted blanket immunity for his involvement in that case.

During the October 30, 2008 deposition, Gonzalez, Jr. describes how his criminal past started when he was only 17 years old and violated his probation. He credits his criminal history for preparing him for the job he held at the time, which he described as "criminal counter-measures."

"Had I not committed those crimes and suffered and paid the consequences, I wouldn’t be able to do the job that I do now," Gonzalez, Jr. told James Jenkins, the criminal defense attorney who was taking his deposition.

Gonzalez, Jr. received $150,000 for providing "intelligence" services from January through April of 2008, according to Jenkins.

During the deposition Gonzalez characterized himself this way:

-- I had a colorful background and if you want to call it a misspent youth. I worked as a body guard for several people in the area and I did do some criminal countermeasures work.

-- I understand the criminal thought processes. I can help people to decide what’s the best measure they should take to protect themselves and their families and businesses.

-- I was interested in starting a company, UDT Institute. It stands for Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute, which would provide criminal countermeasures training to wealthy individuals.

In the deposition, he also described himself as an advocate for victimized children. And interestingly said at one point, "I couldn’t commit a crime."

Gonzalez and six of the alleged accomplices are charged with murder and scheduled for a grand jury hearing where the case will be presented by Florida state Attorney Bill Eddins.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Anna on July 16, 2009, 10:32:48 PM
Thanks to all for all the updates!

Blanket immunity?  He must be singing like a bird.

If this was robbery, why not just tie everybody up and take the safe?  Were they afaid of being recognized by voice or something of that nature? 

Agree, there is more to learn about motive in this but seems LE is doing a good job and with all the agencies involved, they are likely to get to the bottom of this.  Just wish none of them got any immunity from anything.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2009, 06:00:55 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/17/florida.couple.funeral/
Slain Florida couple's funeral set for Friday
July 17, 2009
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN)  -- A funeral will be held Friday for a Florida couple killed in what police say was a carefully planned home-invasion robbery.
 Eight people have been arrested in last week's shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings in their sprawling home near Pensacola, Florida, which they shared with their many children. The couple was known for adopting children with special needs.

Friday's service scheduled for noon at Pensacola's Liberty Church was expected to include readings by the couple's daughters, followed by a burial at the Pensacola Memorial Gardens.

The couple at one time had 13 adopted children, but three of the adopted children have died over the years. Byrd and Melanie Billings also each had two biological children of their own, but no biological children together.

Nine of the children were at home at the time of the home-invasion, and authorities think three children saw the intruders. One managed to flee and seek help at a neighbor's house.

Seven men -- one of them a 16-year-old -- are charged with murder in the killings. An eighth person, Pamela Long Wiggins, faces charges of accessory after the fact of felony murder.
 Authorities said Thursday they located "valuable evidence," including a stolen safe and several guns. Authorities believe at least one of those guns was used to kill the Billingses, said state attorney Bill Eddins. Video Watch authorities detail findings »

Police said they planned to interview two more people in the couple's slaying.
advertisement

Friends and relatives attended a visitation Thursday, which featured pictures of the family on posters and video monitors in the church lobby. A constant stream of cars arrived and departed during the three-hour service. The Billingses' caskets were closed.

They were "the sweetest people you would want to meet in your life," their dog groomer, who declined to give her name, said as she left the church.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 08:58:56 AM
Thanks to all for all the updates!

Blanket immunity?  He must be singing like a bird.

If this was robbery, why not just tie everybody up and take the safe?  Were they afaid of being recognized by voice or something of that nature? 

Agree, there is more to learn about motive in this but seems LE is doing a good job and with all the agencies involved, they are likely to get to the bottom of this.  Just wish none of them got any immunity from anything.

Anna~The blanket immunity was for another incident, not the double homicide.........in fact I think he will get the DP for this one as he has an extensive record, and so do many including Pam Long Wiggins who is a suspect in an arson in Albany, NY that burned down one of her properties that was in foreclosure.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2009, 09:02:09 AM
Thanks to all for all the updates!

Blanket immunity?  He must be singing like a bird.

If this was robbery, why not just tie everybody up and take the safe?  Were they afaid of being recognized by voice or something of that nature? 

Agree, there is more to learn about motive in this but seems LE is doing a good job and with all the agencies involved, they are likely to get to the bottom of this.  Just wish none of them got any immunity from anything.

Anna~The blanket immunity was for another incident, not the double homicide.........in fact I think he will get the DP for this one as he has an extensive record, and so do many including Pam Long Wiggins who is a suspect in an arson in Albany, NY that burned down one of her properties that was in foreclosure.

BBM

 ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:10:32 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/907170323


Article and photo about which property the safe was found:

Billings safe found in suspect's backyard
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 17, 2009


  Pamela Wiggins had the safe.



Her red minivan carried the evidence away after the slaying of Byrd and Melanie Billings inside the couple's sprawling rural Beulah home, according to arrest reports.

A view of her backyard in Gulf Breeze on Thursday revealed where authorities dug through piles of brick and earth earlier this week for what law enforcement officials called a "medium-sized" safe — the object of desire in the July 9 home invasion that has attracted national attention.

With the recovery of that pivotal piece of evidence and several guns, including a murder weapon, the major investigative phase of the case is at an end, State Attorney Bill Eddins said at a Thursday morning news conference.

"There are obviously some loose ends to tie up," he said.

Wiggins' husband, Hugh, told investigators that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses' home and that it was hidden in the backyard of one of his wife's homes, the report said.

Wiggins owns at least six houses in the Gulf Breeze area. Her address listed in phone directories and also in the Sheriff's Office's arrest report places her primary residence in the 1200 block of Ramblewood Drive. That is where investigators found the buried safe.

Out on bond
Wiggins posted $10,000 bond and was at that Gulf Breeze residence by Thursday afternoon.

Wiggins' bond was lower than the seven other defendants' because her alleged crime is less severe and because she cooperated with investigators, Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said. Prosecutors have not ruled out filing additional charges against her.

Wiggins did not answer the door at her Gulf Breeze home when visited by reporters. Two Escambia County deputies who arrived in an unmarked car were seen entering her home shortly after 3 p.m. A sheriff's spokeswoman could not confirm why the deputies paid her the afternoon visit.

The Billingses were known throughout the Pensacola area for adopting special-needs children, nine of whom were in the couple's Beulah home when the killings occurred.

(2 of 2)


The weeklong investigation has netted eight arrests, including Wiggins, 47, and her friend, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, the man investigators called the "organizer" of the precise military-style raid on the couple's home.



The seven men accused in the raid are in Escambia County Jail with no bond on two open counts of murder each. The cases will head to a grand jury in the coming weeks.

Eddins also confirmed Thursday afternoon that the recovered safe was "medium-sized, but small enough for one person to carry." Eddins declined to reveal its contents.

Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said he could not comment about reports that there was more than one safe in the home.

While Eddins refused to say what kinds of weapons were recovered, police reports show that at least three guns were carried into the home. Several spent 9 mm casings were recovered.

Wiggins' minivan
Investigators still are searching for two "persons of interest" with possible connections to the case, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. One of those people is someone investigators believe was tasked with disabling the couple's extensive room-to-room surveillance system from a remote location, but didn't, Morgan said.

Wiggins — a Gulf Breeze property manager — is charged as an accessory after the fact. The charge carries a possible 30-year state prison sentence upon conviction. She was taken in for questioning Wednesday afternoon after she was found at an Orange Beach, Ala., marina on her yacht named "Classy Lady." She was arrested as the evening waned.

Her role in the elaborate home invasion was unclear until new details emerged Thursday through arrest reports.

Before the planned invasion of the Billings compound, a red minivan was left near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said.

That minivan belonged to Wiggins, according to a police report.

Defendants cooperating with investigators said the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred to Wiggins' minivan, which was later seen at a her antique shop in the 4300 block of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.

Wiggins was a passenger in the minivan while the guns and the Billingses' safe were inside the vehicle. She "had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide," the arrest report said.

A neighbor reported that a red vehicle sped away from co-defendant Leonard Gonzalez Sr.'s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside. Another larger 15-passenger van seen in surveillance footage from the Billingses' home was found behind Gonzalez Sr.'s trailer.

Both vans were recovered.

Marina Management President Leo Cyr said Wiggins kept her yacht docked at Palafox Pier in downtown Pensacola until about January of this year. The lease on the slip was in Pamela Wiggins' name, he said. He never met the Wigginses personally.

"They kept it here for a while and then she got into us for about $3,000," he said. "We came here one day and the boat was gone."




Next Page1 | 2Previous Page
In Your Voice| Read reactions to this story
 Newest first Oldest first
ralphie-redryder wrote:

How dare the authorities set her bond at an exhorbitant $10,000? I think $9.75 would have been much more appropriate and sensible.
1. She is neither "classy" nor a "lady".
2. If she bolts, whoever set her bail should be held ACCOUNTABLE!
3. Apparently these miscreants have created a new term---SMUG SHOTS. Hopefully those looks will be wiped off by either Old Sparky or some amorous cellmates.
7/17/2009 9:06:06 AM How dare the authorities set her bond at an exhorbitant $10,000?  I think $9.75 would have been much more appropriate and sensible.  <br />1. She is neither "classy" nor a "lady".<br />2. If she bolts, whoever set her bail should be held ACCOUNTABLE!<br />3. Apparently these miscreants have created a new term---SMUG SHOTS.  Hopefully those looks will be wiped off by either Old Sparky or some amorous cellmates. ralphie-redryder
Recommend  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


bigtime4all2 wrote:

How can she be married to Hugh if she is still married to this Malden dude? I believe her bail was too low - she obviously had a lot to do with the whole thing - send up down with the rest of them...
7/17/2009 8:54:10 AM How can she be married to Hugh if she is still married to this Malden dude?  I believe her bail was too low - she obviously had a lot to do with the whole thing - send up down with the rest of them... bigtime4all2
Recommend  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


terrwe wrote:

still the sherriffs department has done a great job in finding these scumbags.I rest a little easier knowing that they have been working so hard.Thanks to all the people who have worked to bring these people to justice.
7/17/2009 8:51:04 AM still the sherriffs department has done a great job in finding these scumbags.I rest a little easier knowing that they have been working so hard.Thanks to all the people who have worked to bring these people to justice. terrwe
Recommend(1)  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


terrwe wrote:

There has to be more to this story.I am sure that the sherriffs dept. is watching this,for loss of better words,lady.We can only hope this is a tactic for getting more information from her.I hope that she will be dealt with to the full extent of the law.Still the
7/17/2009 8:47:28 AM There has to be more to this story.I am sure that the sherriffs dept. is watching this,for loss of better words,lady.We can only hope this is a tactic for getting more information from her.I hope that she will be dealt with to the full extent of the law.Still the terrwe
Recommend(1)  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


1 2 3 4 5 >> LastFull page view See more comments per page and quote other replies


The back yard of Pamela Wiggins home at 1247 Ramblewood Drive in Gulf Breeze. Wiggins is a suspect in connection to the robbery and murder of Melanie and Byrd Billings. The Billingses' safe was found by ESO investigators in a hole in the center of a large pile of bricks in the back yard of Wiggins' home. (Katie King / kking@pnj.com)

The DEA rumors addressed
Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said he didn't contact the federal Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Speaking at a Thursday morning news conference, Morgan addressed a prevalent rumor that the DEA was asked to investigate the couple who were found shot to death July 9 inside their home in Beulah.

Morgan said that the DEA was brought in to examine potential drug-related crimes involving the suspects in the homicides.

"The Billings family, to the best of my knowledge, is not the focus of any investigation by the DEA," he said. "I am not sure where that started. But please, today, let's put that to rest."

David Melenkevitz, spokesman for the DEA in Miami confirmed his agency's involvement but declined to discuss the case.

Edited to remove ads, etc. (No text of story or commentary removed) MB
 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:15:13 AM
Thanks to all for all the updates!

Blanket immunity?  He must be singing like a bird.

If this was robbery, why not just tie everybody up and take the safe?  Were they afaid of being recognized by voice or something of that nature? 

Agree, there is more to learn about motive in this but seems LE is doing a good job and with all the agencies involved, they are likely to get to the bottom of this.  Just wish none of them got any immunity from anything.

Anna~The blanket immunity was for another incident, not the double homicide.........in fact I think he will get the DP for this one as he has an extensive record, and so do many including Pam Long Wiggins who is a suspect in an arson in Albany, NY that burned down one of her properties that was in foreclosure.

BBM

 ::MonkeyEek::


That's right Muffy~I found it here

http://www.walb.com/Global/story.asp?S=10740008&nav=menu37_3

Pamela Wiggins had long Albany history

Posted: July 16, 2009 02:06 PM PDT

Updated: July 16, 2009 02:39 PM PDT

Video Gallery <1>

Woman swept up in Fla. murders was Albanian
3:46
 
 
 
 Related Links
 
 Albany native charged in Florida killings
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 More News Headlines
 
Classmate talks about Pamela Long Wiggins
 
Healthcare town hall
 
Men charged with Sumter beating and kidnapping in jail
 
Sumter suspect arrested in Hoosier State
 
Darton is teaching a drivers ed class
 
Pamela Wiggins had long Albany history
 
 
 
 
 
By Jennifer Emert - bio | email

ALBANY, GA (WALB) -  Investigators have recovered the murder weapon used to kill a prominent Florida couple, and tonight, we know the 8th suspect in those murders is a woman who was born and raised in Albany.

47-year old Pamela Long Coco Wiggins is charged as an accessory after the fact to the murders of Melanie and Byrd Billings.

They were shot to death in their home outside Pensacola last Thursday while nine of their 17 children were in the house.

Eight suspects are now charged in connection the deadly military-style home invasion. Prosecutors say robbery was the primary motive.

Pamela Wiggins grew up in Albany, owned several rental properties and got a divorce here in 1992.

Pamela Long Coco Wiggins was born here in Albany 1961 and graduated from Albany High School in 1979. After several marriages, she has a string of last names on her records including Wiggins and Maldin.

She still has family here. In fact, we tracked down her mother in Northwest Albany but she didn't want to talk about her daughter's arrest.

Pamela Long Coco and her then-husband Tom owned a house on West First Avenue from 1986 to 1995. Neighbors say the couple was always busy with renovations.

 "They were over there working hard most for the time you could tell they were busy doing stuff most of the time, but they seemed like nice people," a neighbor told us.

One of the most interesting things we found was this property on Park Lane now owned by Phoebe. The large home that used to be on this lot burned, and firefighters say it was suspicious.

"The fire was an intentionally set fire. We found pour patterns throughout the structure so we know it was intentionally set," said Albany Fire Chief James Carswell.

 Carswell said he remembered the case and called Pamela a strong suspect at the time. But she was never charged with a crime in that fire. "At some point when we were doing the interview she got a lawyer, we got no more progress on the investigation from her."

The case remains open, though. We also learned that Pamela Long filed for bankruptcy in 1993 on a property she owned on North Slappey.

We also learned today that she divorced Tom Coco here in Dougherty County in 1992, and records indicate she sold her remaining property in Albany back in 2001.

Wiggins posted a $10,000 bond Thursday.




ON TOP OF THAT~according to the local news, she remarried last yr to Wiggins and wasn't even divorced from Malden, and I found her marriage license to Link IIRC in 2002 or 2003 in Escambia county (I guess she gets around) literally!!!

I just have to trust that the sheriff let her out to follow her and find the other persons of interest, nothing else makes sense to me. Today I am going to drive by her house that is on the sound and see if there is any activity there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:18:37 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Woman charged in Billings killings had Georgia ties
By RHONDA COOK


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

ShareThis
Print
E-mail
Reprints
A Florida real estate agent was released on $10,000 bond Thursday, the day after she was charged as an accessory after the fact to the Florida Gulf Coast murders of Melanie and Byrd Billings.

 AP This photo provided Wednesday July 15, 2009 by the Okaloosa County Sheriff's office shows real estate agent Pamela Laverne Long. Police do not believe she was at the house the night the Billingses were killed but they do believe she rented property to one of the suspects, 35-year-old Leonard Gonzalez Jr., whom Morgan described as a "pivotal person" in the operation.

Related
Fla. couple to be laid to rest as probe continues
Photos: 'Ninjas' kill Florida couple
Related Metro stories »
SUV from Dome killing sought
Chamber unveils business recruiting strategy
Burglars hit Buckhead T.J. Maxx
Teeth trip becomes fiery escape
The Billings were parents of 17 children, most of them adopted and with special needs.

Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, was the eighth person arrested in connection with the deadly home invasion last week at the Billings’ nine-bedroom house in the Beulah community near Pensacola on the Florida panhandle. The other seven have already been charged with murder and Pensacola police are looking for one more person.

Wiggins is the only suspect not charged with murder. She is accused of knowing about the fatal shootings after the fact.

Wiggins history is somewhat confusing but she has Georgia ties.

Public records indicate Wiggins lived in Albany from the mid 1980s until around 2002. Her widowed mother still has a house in the southwest Georgia city; Doris Long did not return messages left on an home answering machine or voice mail.

During those years Wiggins was in Albany, she married Charles Thomas Coco, who died in 2007.

She married a second time on May 5, 2007, according Jimmy Malden Jr. Malden said he left Wiggins five months later but they still are not divorced.

“I’m still fighting. It’s still pending. I’m still trying to get the title to my Harley [Davidson motorcycle],” Malden said.

He said he has been trying to divorce her for 1 1/2 years.

Yet, prosecutors said Wiggins was her “married name,” and CNN reported that records show she married Hugh Gregory Wiggins last year, and one of the accused killers may have been a witness to the ceremony, “Leonard P. Gonzalez.”

Neighbors told the Pensacola Daily Journal Wiggins had two children — a teenage son and younger daughter.

Records show she owns eight residential properties in Santa Rosa County, Fla., and her Magnolia Antique Mall is the registered owner of The Classy Lady, the 47-foot yacht moored at an Orange Beach marina where police found her on Tuesday.

Wiggins’ previous husband, Malden, said his former wife seemed to have a lot of cash that couldn’t be easily explained and she boasted about her wealth and “her position in society,” he said.

Police said one of her links to the July 9 crime was her tenant, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., a suspect police said had a critical role in planning the crime.

Gonzalez’s father, Leonard P. Gonzalez Sr. also is charged. The senior Gonzalez owned a power-washing company that Billings once hired.

Police and prosecutors said images captured on the Billings’ home’s security cameras led investigators to the suspects. The videos showed masked men dressed as ninjas coming through the front and back doors. They trained for 30 days, authorities said.

“The execution was basically flawless,” Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan told reporters. “The one gaping hole that would not have made this a perfect operation, if you will, was the fact that the surveillence system was not disabled. I guess the question was why was it not?”

The suspects, ranging in age from 16 to 56, were in the house only four minutes.

Nine of the couple’s 13 adopted children were home during the break-in and three of them saw the intruders. The couple also had four children from previous marriages.

The videos led investigators to a red van used as a getaway car and eventually to the suspects, a loosely connected group of mostly day laborers who knew each other through the Gonzalez washing business and an auto detailing operation.

The Associated Press contributed to this article.



http://www.ajc.com/news/woman-charged-in-billings-93336.html


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 09:56:27 AM
Thanks for all the articles  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:58:32 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/907170323


Article and photo about which property the safe was found:

Billings safe found in suspect's backyard
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 17, 2009


  Pamela Wiggins had the safe.



Her red minivan carried the evidence away after the slaying of Byrd and Melanie Billings inside the couple's sprawling rural Beulah home, according to arrest reports.

A view of her backyard in Gulf Breeze on Thursday revealed where authorities dug through piles of brick and earth earlier this week for what law enforcement officials called a "medium-sized" safe — the object of desire in the July 9 home invasion that has attracted national attention.

With the recovery of that pivotal piece of evidence and several guns, including a murder weapon, the major investigative phase of the case is at an end, State Attorney Bill Eddins said at a Thursday morning news conference.

"There are obviously some loose ends to tie up," he said.

Wiggins' husband, Hugh, told investigators that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses' home and that it was hidden in the backyard of one of his wife's homes, the report said.

Wiggins owns at least six houses in the Gulf Breeze area. Her address listed in phone directories and also in the Sheriff's Office's arrest report places her primary residence in the 1200 block of Ramblewood Drive. That is where investigators found the buried safe.

Out on bond
Wiggins posted $10,000 bond and was at that Gulf Breeze residence by Thursday afternoon.

Wiggins' bond was lower than the seven other defendants' because her alleged crime is less severe and because she cooperated with investigators, Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said. Prosecutors have not ruled out filing additional charges against her.

Wiggins did not answer the door at her Gulf Breeze home when visited by reporters. Two Escambia County deputies who arrived in an unmarked car were seen entering her home shortly after 3 p.m. A sheriff's spokeswoman could not confirm why the deputies paid her the afternoon visit.

The Billingses were known throughout the Pensacola area for adopting special-needs children, nine of whom were in the couple's Beulah home when the killings occurred.

(2 of 2)


The weeklong investigation has netted eight arrests, including Wiggins, 47, and her friend, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, the man investigators called the "organizer" of the precise military-style raid on the couple's home.



The seven men accused in the raid are in Escambia County Jail with no bond on two open counts of murder each. The cases will head to a grand jury in the coming weeks.

Eddins also confirmed Thursday afternoon that the recovered safe was "medium-sized, but small enough for one person to carry." Eddins declined to reveal its contents.

Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said he could not comment about reports that there was more than one safe in the home.

While Eddins refused to say what kinds of weapons were recovered, police reports show that at least three guns were carried into the home. Several spent 9 mm casings were recovered.

Wiggins' minivan
Investigators still are searching for two "persons of interest" with possible connections to the case, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. One of those people is someone investigators believe was tasked with disabling the couple's extensive room-to-room surveillance system from a remote location, but didn't, Morgan said.

Wiggins — a Gulf Breeze property manager — is charged as an accessory after the fact. The charge carries a possible 30-year state prison sentence upon conviction. She was taken in for questioning Wednesday afternoon after she was found at an Orange Beach, Ala., marina on her yacht named "Classy Lady." She was arrested as the evening waned.

Her role in the elaborate home invasion was unclear until new details emerged Thursday through arrest reports.

Before the planned invasion of the Billings compound, a red minivan was left near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said.

That minivan belonged to Wiggins, according to a police report.

Defendants cooperating with investigators said the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred to Wiggins' minivan, which was later seen at a her antique shop in the 4300 block of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.

Wiggins was a passenger in the minivan while the guns and the Billingses' safe were inside the vehicle. She "had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide," the arrest report said.

A neighbor reported that a red vehicle sped away from co-defendant Leonard Gonzalez Sr.'s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside. Another larger 15-passenger van seen in surveillance footage from the Billingses' home was found behind Gonzalez Sr.'s trailer.

Both vans were recovered.

Marina Management President Leo Cyr said Wiggins kept her yacht docked at Palafox Pier in downtown Pensacola until about January of this year. The lease on the slip was in Pamela Wiggins' name, he said. He never met the Wigginses personally.

"They kept it here for a while and then she got into us for about $3,000," he said. "We came here one day and the boat was gone."




Next Page1 | 2Previous Page
In Your Voice| Read reactions to this story
 Newest first Oldest first
ralphie-redryder wrote:

How dare the authorities set her bond at an exhorbitant $10,000? I think $9.75 would have been much more appropriate and sensible.
1. She is neither "classy" nor a "lady".
2. If she bolts, whoever set her bail should be held ACCOUNTABLE!
3. Apparently these miscreants have created a new term---SMUG SHOTS. Hopefully those looks will be wiped off by either Old Sparky or some amorous cellmates.
7/17/2009 9:06:06 AM How dare the authorities set her bond at an exhorbitant $10,000?  I think $9.75 would have been much more appropriate and sensible.  <br />1. She is neither "classy" nor a "lady".<br />2. If she bolts, whoever set her bail should be held ACCOUNTABLE!<br />3. Apparently these miscreants have created a new term---SMUG SHOTS.  Hopefully those looks will be wiped off by either Old Sparky or some amorous cellmates. ralphie-redryder
Recommend  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


bigtime4all2 wrote:

How can she be married to Hugh if she is still married to this Malden dude? I believe her bail was too low - she obviously had a lot to do with the whole thing - send up down with the rest of them...
7/17/2009 8:54:10 AM How can she be married to Hugh if she is still married to this Malden dude?  I believe her bail was too low - she obviously had a lot to do with the whole thing - send up down with the rest of them... bigtime4all2
Recommend  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


terrwe wrote:

still the sherriffs department has done a great job in finding these scumbags.I rest a little easier knowing that they have been working so hard.Thanks to all the people who have worked to bring these people to justice.
7/17/2009 8:51:04 AM still the sherriffs department has done a great job in finding these scumbags.I rest a little easier knowing that they have been working so hard.Thanks to all the people who have worked to bring these people to justice. terrwe
Recommend(1)  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


terrwe wrote:

There has to be more to this story.I am sure that the sherriffs dept. is watching this,for loss of better words,lady.We can only hope this is a tactic for getting more information from her.I hope that she will be dealt with to the full extent of the law.Still the
7/17/2009 8:47:28 AM There has to be more to this story.I am sure that the sherriffs dept. is watching this,for loss of better words,lady.We can only hope this is a tactic for getting more information from her.I hope that she will be dealt with to the full extent of the law.Still the terrwe
Recommend(1)  New post  Reply to this Post  Report Abuse 


1 2 3 4 5 >> LastFull page view See more comments per page and quote other replies


The back yard of Pamela Wiggins home at 1247 Ramblewood Drive in Gulf Breeze. Wiggins is a suspect in connection to the robbery and murder of Melanie and Byrd Billings. The Billingses' safe was found by ESO investigators in a hole in the center of a large pile of bricks in the back yard of Wiggins' home. (Katie King / kking@pnj.com)

The DEA rumors addressed
Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said he didn't contact the federal Drug Enforcement Administration to investigate Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Speaking at a Thursday morning news conference, Morgan addressed a prevalent rumor that the DEA was asked to investigate the couple who were found shot to death July 9 inside their home in Beulah.

Morgan said that the DEA was brought in to examine potential drug-related crimes involving the suspects in the homicides.

"The Billings family, to the best of my knowledge, is not the focus of any investigation by the DEA," he said. "I am not sure where that started. But please, today, let's put that to rest."

David Melenkevitz, spokesman for the DEA in Miami confirmed his agency's involvement but declined to discuss the case.

Edited to remove ads, etc. (No text of story or commentary removed) MB
 

Thanks Muffy~I'm still half asleep this am.........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Leroy on July 17, 2009, 10:42:18 AM


ON TOP OF THAT~according to the local news, she remarried last yr to Wiggins and wasn't even divorced from Malden, and I found her marriage license to Link IIRC in 2002 or 2003 in Escambia county (I guess she gets around) literally!!!

I just have to trust that the sheriff let her out to follow her and find the other persons of interest, nothing else makes sense to me. Today I am going to drive by her house that is on the sound and see if there is any activity there.

Im - this why I think they set her bail so low....LE wanted her out in hopes she leads them to further evidence in this case.  If/when she does this and they have all they need from her being out, hopefully they will be re-arresting her and charging her with murder.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Leroy on July 17, 2009, 10:50:25 AM
Friends, loved ones
remember Fla. pair

Crucial evidence found in Billings
case
Updated: Friday, 17 Jul 2009, 7:19 AM EDT
Published : Friday, 17 Jul 2009, 7:15 AM EDT

PENSACOLA, Fla. (WALA) - Visitation was held Thursday for a Gulf Coast couple murdered one week earlier. Byrd and Melanie Billings were found shot to death in their Florida home last Thursday.

"It's just terrible. It's just terrible. It's just hard to put into words really," said family friend Becky Biggs.

"What do you say? It's just unreal that somebody could do something like that to people like Melanie and Byrd," said Biggs.

One after the other, friends, neighbors, even strangers arrived for a visitation at Liberty Church in Pensacola to show support and outrage.

One family friend, Wanda Moredo, had a clipping of the suspect's pictures from the paper. "You see these people? They are trash," said Moredo.  "If I had a trash can I would throw them right in front of them. I wanted to burn it. I want them all to pay, every one of them."

Moredo was visibly upset at Thursday's visitation, but says she'll never forget Byrd's kind heart.

"Me and Bud were just good friends, and when I moved to Pensacola, I'll just never forget his big smile," she said. "He just smiled all the time. That's what I'm going to remember about Bud, his smile."

Becky Biggs worked with many of the Billings' special needs children. She says Melanie couldn't have been nicer.

"She was a very nice person, very friendly. She never had a bad word to say," said Biggs. "We pretty much saw her on a regular basis, just a very nice person."

The couple will be laid to rest Friday, but residents know the family is still in need.

"We wish them the best," said one supporter. "Our hearts are with them right now and we know it's a tough time and we're here for them."

The funeral service will start at 11 a.m. Friday at Liberty Church in Pensacola. Burial will follow at Pensacola Memorial Gardens.

Crucial evidence found in Billings case

Hundreds of friends and family members gathered at Liberty Church Thursday, for a visitation for Byrd and Melanie Billings. While they prepared to say goodbye to them, developments continued to break in the investigation.

Just hours after the eighth arrest in the case, deputies seized critical evidence.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said, "We have located the safe, and the safe is being processed at this time. We have located several guns in various locations, one of which we believe is the murder weapon."

They found all this after they arrested Pamela Long Wiggins for accessory after the fact. A police report states that Wiggins' husband told deputies the safe was buried behind one of her properties. Investigators say Wiggins owned a red mini-van that was used to move the safe and the weapons and investigators also say Wiggins was in that van with the evidence.

Investigators believe she may be the last missing piece in the crime.

Sheriff David Morgan said, "The investigation has been consistent, even with the last individual placed under arrest. It is a combination of friendships, casual business relationships that brought this group together."

Investigators won't comment on what was inside the safe or anything else that was taken, but it does give them a more defined motive.

Eddins said, "This was a home invasion robbery. I personally find it that simple."

Sheriff Morgan said, "We do believe as it progresses, the investigation continues, additional motives will be found."


http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/national/south/nat_wala_pensacola_friends_loved_ones_remember_florida_couple_20090717714_2650096


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 11:01:07 AM


ON TOP OF THAT~according to the local news, she remarried last yr to Wiggins and wasn't even divorced from Malden, and I found her marriage license to Link IIRC in 2002 or 2003 in Escambia county (I guess she gets around) literally!!!

I just have to trust that the sheriff let her out to follow her and find the other persons of interest, nothing else makes sense to me. Today I am going to drive by her house that is on the sound and see if there is any activity there.

Im - this why I think they set her bail so low....LE wanted her out in hopes she leads them to further evidence in this case.  If/when she does this and they have all they need from her being out, hopefully they will be re-arresting her and charging her with murder.

I feel pretty sure about this one from what I'm hearing, then I want them all charged as the others are now for 2 counts capital murder.......I check the arrest records everyday to see what's up, but her's has confidential info that has been redacted and that leads me to believe their is more to this story.

Sad coincidence is there IS a realtor in Gulf Breeze named Pam Long.....she's been inundated with calls because in the beginning many didin't know if this Pam Long, Link, Maldin, Coco, Wiggins etc was a realtor or just an investor....can you imagine being the OTHER blonde Pam Long, that has to suck big time!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Arrest warrants except for Long-Wiggins.......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 11:32:00 AM
Watching local press conference  re: Billings murders, only RX for the kids and personal effects found in safe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Pieces of Ch!T!!!!!!!!!! The Redneck Riviera 8 are going to hell in a handbasket.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2009, 11:49:09 AM
Watching local press conference  re: Billings murders, only RX for the kids and personal effects found in safe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Pieces of Ch!T!!!!!!!!!! The Redneck Riviera 8 are going to hell in a handbasket.


BBM
Someone (?) must have seen the safe at some time.  And maybe that someone started trying to think of all that MIGHT be in the safe.  And talked about it to someone esle, and maybe the story got added on, and added on until maybe before long, it was decided there IS something of great value in the safe.  UNLESS whatever this group of murdering thieves were looking for wasn't in the safe.  Is there something they were after that might be stored elsewhere?  Were there rumors perhaps gold or platinum had been purchased and stored there?  Drugs?   Certain paperwork that would have value?   :smt102  It sounds like a lot of people and planning went into this for a safe that yielded zip.  Was anything removed from the safe?  I find it strange it was decided to just grab the safe.  No one forced one of the Billings to open the safe?  Just went in and killed the Billings, grabbed the safe and ran?  Something is strange.  This is't the whole story, imo.  Unless besides the security cameras not being turned off, someone didn't do their homework about the contents of the safe.  Were these thieving murderers that stupid?  A month of planning/practice and someone didn't turn off the security cameras and the safe they stole didn't have value to thieves?   :scratch:  They were very dumb or we are missing something, imo.  Or just maybe the safe was taken so it would appear to be a robbery, when in fact it was a hit.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 11:58:33 AM
Watching local press conference  re: Billings murders, only RX for the kids and personal effects found in safe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Pieces of Ch!T!!!!!!!!!! The Redneck Riviera 8 are going to hell in a handbasket.
  ::MonkeyEek:: That is all that is in the safe? I thought for sure there would have been jewels and money  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:15:00 PM
Watching local press conference  re: Billings murders, only RX for the kids and personal effects found in safe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Pieces of Ch!T!!!!!!!!!! The Redneck Riviera 8 are going to hell in a handbasket.


BBM
Someone (?) must have seen the safe at some time.  And maybe that someone started trying to think of all that MIGHT be in the safe.  And talked about it to someone esle, and maybe the story got added on, and added on until maybe before long, it was decided there IS something of great value in the safe.  UNLESS whatever this group of murdering thieves were looking for wasn't in the safe.  Is there something they were after that might be stored elsewhere?  Were there rumors perhaps gold or platinum had been purchased and stored there?  Drugs?   Certain paperwork that would have value?   :smt102  It sounds like a lot of people and planning went into this for a safe that yielded zip.  Was anything removed from the safe?  I find it strange it was decided to just grab the safe.  No one forced one of the Billings to open the safe?  Just went in and killed the Billings, grabbed the safe and ran?  Something is strange.  This is't the whole story, imo.  Unless besides the security cameras not being turned off, someone didn't do their homework about the contents of the safe.  Were these thieving murderers that stupid?  A month of planning/practice and someone didn't turn off the security cameras and the safe they stole didn't have value to thieves?   :scratch:  They were very dumb or we are missing something, imo.  Or just maybe the safe was taken so it would appear to be a robbery, when in fact it was a hit.


In a word, YES~they were stupid....they even committed these murders while it was light outside. We are hearing about a hit around here, so the stealing of a safe for no reason could make sense, but IF it's a hit, why involve so many people........I think they are definitely holding back some info and other leads are being developed, because otherwise this is just ludicrous to think nine people would split the contents of a safe. I can't wait to find out the entire story, and last night I did hear something I DID NOT know on the local news, when Byrd first moved here he opened a strip club.............(insert shocked face here).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:18:12 PM
Watching local press conference  re: Billings murders, only RX for the kids and personal effects found in safe  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Pieces of Ch!T!!!!!!!!!! The Redneck Riviera 8 are going to hell in a handbasket.
  ::MonkeyEek:: That is all that is in the safe? I thought for sure there would have been jewels and money  ::MonkeyShocked::

Now there was some jewelry that from what they said was in their for sentimental reason, nothing really expensive......let me see if it has hit Pensacola News Journal yet and post if it has:


Safe contained meds, jewelry
July 17, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  The safe stolen from the Billingses' home contained children's medication, family documents and jewelry "of sentimental value."


 
The family's attorney, Crystal Spencer, made the announcement before the couple's funeral this morning.


She said she made the statement to put an end to the swirl of speculation and rumor about the safe's contents.


Spencer did not take questions following the brief announcement.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717010


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:21:45 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: Latest article from PNJ:

Police find gang link in Fla. killings 
Updated 7/17/2009 11:43 AM ET  E-mail | Save | Print 

   
  Enlarge By Mari Darr Welch, AP
 
Escambia Sheriff David Morgan stands with State Attorney Bill Eddins and Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille during a press conference in Pensacola, Fla,. on Thursday. Eddins said investigators also found several guns. 
 

 

By Donna Leinwand, USA TODAY
The suspects in the shooting deaths of a Florida couple who adopted disabled children have ties to illegal drug activity and a gang, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said in an interview.
Information about drugs and weapons found by police was passed to federal law enforcement authorities, including the FBI and Drug Enforcement Administration, Morgan said. Some of the information was related to other ongoing federal investigations, he said.

MORE: Person of interest in Fla. couple's slaying found
Police have charged seven men with murder and one woman with aiding the men after the slayings.

They have recovered a stolen safe and several guns, including one that police say was used to kill Melanie Billings, 43, and her husband, Byrd Billings, 66.

Prosecutor William Eddins said the case is a simple home invasion robbery that went bad. He said the case is ready to go before the grand jury, and he could seek the death penalty.

Morgan said police are continuing to investigate leads.

"We've been asked by the state attorney to stay with the one basic motive," Morgan said. "The other motives in this case will be developed in the next few weeks or months."

Police have interviewed three people, one of whom they believe was supposed to have disabled the Billingses' surveillance system, Morgan said. "All three of these people could conceivably be that suspect," Morgan said.

The system was not disabled, and it recorded masked men arriving and leaving.

Police arrested Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, on Wednesday. They said she transported the stolen safe and some of the guns. She was released on $10,000 bond. Morgan said Wiggins had provided useful evidence.

All of the men, who Morgan said trained for 30 days to prepare for the robbery, are charged with two counts of murder and remain in jail.

Florida law says that if two or more people set out to commit a crime, each person is equally guilty for every act committed.

"It's a huge help for prosecutors in prosecuting groups like this," says Howard Scheinberg, a Florida prosecutor for 21 years.

The state law has one exception: if a defendant can prove that a partner in the crime committed an unforeseeable act independently.

Morgan compared the crime to the Tate-LaBianca murders in Los Angeles in 1969, committed by a cult led by Charles Manson, because it is unusual to have such a large group of people commit a crime together.

Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi sees few similarities. Manson, he said, wanted to start a race war and was not motivated by money. In addition, Manson's followers stabbed most of their victims and avoided homes with children.


http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=pensacolanewsjournal&sParam=35657990.story


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 12:24:11 PM
Thanks Island, a strip club.....    There is much more to this story, nothing makes sense, but I'm sure it all will unravel soon.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 12:29:48 PM
Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi sees few similarities. Manson, he said, wanted to start a race war and was not motivated by money. In addition, Manson's followers stabbed most of their victims and avoided homes with children.                       This is way different then the Manson clan, I have done a lot of reading on Manson, and there is really no comparsion.  The gang affiliation is interesting, if true about the strip club, could there be some connection there?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:32:03 PM
Thanks Island, a strip club.....    There is much more to this story, nothing makes sense, but I'm sure it all will unravel soon.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I think so too, this sheriff keeps hinting about other motives than just robbery and home invasion, but the SA asked him to stcik with this one in one of the articles I read........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 12:44:44 PM
Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi sees few similarities. Manson, he said, wanted to start a race war and was not motivated by money. In addition, Manson's followers stabbed most of their victims and avoided homes with children.                       This is way different then the Manson clan, I have done a lot of reading on Manson, and there is really no comparsion.  The gang affiliation is interesting, if true about the strip club, could there be some connection there?

Oh, I know for a fact the strip club info IS true, he started it in 1990 and I'm trying to find out when he sold it.......that would help a great deal.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 12:52:44 PM
Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi sees few similarities. Manson, he said, wanted to start a race war and was not motivated by money. In addition, Manson's followers stabbed most of their victims and avoided homes with children.                       This is way different then the Manson clan, I have done a lot of reading on Manson, and there is really no comparsion.  The gang affiliation is interesting, if true about the strip club, could there be some connection there?

Oh, I know for a fact the strip club info IS true, he started it in 1990 and I'm trying to find out when he sold it.......that would help a great deal.
Yes, curious when he sold that, if it was fairly recent, perhaps something that happened there could have been a motive also.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 01:06:11 PM
Manson prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi sees few similarities. Manson, he said, wanted to start a race war and was not motivated by money. In addition, Manson's followers stabbed most of their victims and avoided homes with children.                       This is way different then the Manson clan, I have done a lot of reading on Manson, and there is really no comparsion.  The gang affiliation is interesting, if true about the strip club, could there be some connection there?

Oh, I know for a fact the strip club info IS true, he started it in 1990 and I'm trying to find out when he sold it.......that would help a great deal.
Yes, curious when he sold that, if it was fairly recent, perhaps something that happened there could have been a motive also.

I've been searching the records and see nothing recent......I may need to search this a "different" way than normal, let me work on that.......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 01:08:51 PM
Island have you heard any comments about human trafficking, I'm not going to bring anything here, some very strange videos, and evidently some on another forum has told authorities about this  ::MonkeyShocked:: I have no idea, just wondered if you heard anything, since you live in the area? One video scared the heck out of me, am not watching anymore.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 01:12:23 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused:: Man I am slow today, he sold the strip club in the mid 90's per this interview:

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_2788.shtml

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - We're learning more about Byrd Billings' professional past.

In a Channel Three News exclusive...

From adult entertainment to the used car business, some who worked with "Bud" Billings say he always operated with integrity.

"Bud and Melanie were both probably two of the most generous and loving and giving people I've ever met."

Arety Kapetanis says she owes her start in the adult entertainment business to Byrd "Bud" Billings.

He opened the Backseat Lounge in Pensacola in 1990 and hired the then single mother of two, to work the door and later bartend.

Kapetanis later opened her own club, Arety's Angels in 1997.

Arety Kapetanis/Arety's Angels: "It was my first experience in the business, which is why I run my business the way I do, because I learned from Bud. He ran it with integrity. He didn't get involved in all the things that people think that people in this kind of business get involved in and he was always very, very, extremely professional."

She says Billings not only gave her a job, he helped her get a car...And he and Melanie often fed the homeless who wandered past the club.

"Bud and Melanie both were very, very empathetic, caring people who really just wanted to be treated the way they treat other people and they treat other people with such great respect."

Kapetanis worked for Billings until he sold the Backseat Lounge in the mid-90's and got into used cars full time...Opening several businesses with unique names.

"I asked him, 'how do you come up with these names for your businesses?' He would take the initial of all of the children that he and Melanie had, either together or adopted and make the initial into a name and that's how he could come up with the names for his car businesses because he made it very family."

Kapetanis says Billings went out of his way to keep a good reputation in all his business dealings.

"Whatever comes up with this investigation, I think it's important that people know that Bud and Melanie were probably two of the most generous, loving, considerate people with a lot of integrity."Business Partner Remembers Byrd Billings


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 17, 2009, 01:13:35 PM
Pamela's Antique business is a big red flag to me.  Antique stores are frequently used for money
laundering in the drug trade.  This woman is bad to the bone.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 01:14:28 PM
Island have you heard any comments about human trafficking, I'm not going to bring anything here, some very strange videos, and evidently some on another forum has told authorities about this  ::MonkeyShocked:: I have no idea, just wondered if you heard anything, since you live in the area? One video scared the heck out of me, am not watching anymore.
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: WTF??? No, not yet anyway.......can you email me the link, I'd love to see it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 01:15:28 PM
Pamela's Antique business is a big red flag to me.  Antique stores are frequently used for money
laundering in the drug trade.  This woman is bad to the bone.

I SOOOOOOo agree Magnolia........can't wait to check out her house today  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 01:29:07 PM
Island have you heard any comments about human trafficking, I'm not going to bring anything here, some very strange videos, and evidently some on another forum has told authorities about this  ::MonkeyShocked:: I have no idea, just wondered if you heard anything, since you live in the area? One video scared the heck out of me, am not watching anymore.
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: WTF??? No, not yet anyway.......can you email me the link, I'd love to see it.
It is on the In Session and WS boards, you don't have to be a member to read. I'm telling you, some of the things being talked about is rather stunning. I don't want to go into it, because I don't know what is true or not.  And I had no idea that antique stores, could be used for money laundering in the drug trade. I'm learning quite a bit today  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kimmy53 on July 17, 2009, 01:30:36 PM
Pamela's Antique business is a big red flag to me.  Antique stores are frequently used for money
laundering in the drug trade.  This woman is bad to the bone.

I agree Magnolia - I get a hinky feeling about her. Something more than accessory after the fact.  Her smug look - I get the feeling she's someone who (Like Casey A.) thinks she's smarter than anyone else.  I seriously hope they up the charges on her.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 17, 2009, 01:38:10 PM
Inside Edition just did a feature about this case and only talked about Pamela.

The Albany suspicious house fire, the bankruptcys, the marriage late last year and
the guy who still says he is married to her.  It showed her boat and car and the Magnolia
Antique Store, an up close of her. 
The years have not been kind to her.  She has hardened and has had a
bewb job, from the looks of the before and after pictures.
Maybe she just porked up. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kermit on July 17, 2009, 01:55:28 PM
(http://blstb.msn.com/i/F7/AD3319BAE355124396C07B9B266C30.jpg)
The murder victims: Byrd and Melanie Billings were well known in the small town of Beulah, west of Pensacola, Fla. They were wealthy -- he owned several successful businesses. She was 43, he was 68. Search for the latest on the case.

The children: The Billingses adopted several special-needs children. In total, they had 17 kids, 13 adopted and four from previous marriages. Watch one of their older children, Ashley Markham, talk about her parents.

The house: The Billingses' sprawling nine-bedroom home was specially equipped so the couple could keep track of their many children. That system captured chilling images of the killers entering their home on July 9. Search for more on the videos.

The break-in and murders: Police say the killers drove a red van. (Who is accused of being behind the wheel?)

Video captured three suspects entering through the front door and two through the back. The killers were out of the house in less than 10 minutes. Nine kids were at home at the time, but unhurt.

Some of the suspects wore martial arts garb. What kind?

The motives: Likely robbery, say police. The killers took a safe, among other items, from the home. There may be other motives, though police won't comment further. (Search has more facts and motives behind home invasions.)

The arrests: Eight people have been arrested in connection with the murders. One had gotten publicity for these special skills, which he taught to kids. Another is in the military. Several others worked as day laborers, and one of them is only 16. A woman is the eighth person to be charged. There could be more.

The cop: The man who has been front and center in the investigation is getting some attention for his demeanor and sound bites. Bing finds Sheriff David Morgan in front of the cameras.

In cold blood: The murder of the Billingses has been likened to a famous incident in Holcomb, Kan., in 1959. In that case, members of a rural family were murdered by strangers.

The book about those killings, "In Cold Blood," was a best-seller in the mid-'60s. Its author was equally famous and rather quirky.
http://specials.msn.com/A-List/Ninja-killers.aspx?cp-searchtext=Billings%20and%20Florida%20and%20murder



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Kermit on July 17, 2009, 01:56:26 PM

VIDEO AT THIS SITE OF THE MURDERS
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/16/2009-07-16_pamela_long_wiggins_is_eighth_arrest_in_billings_murder_invaders_unaware_securit.html

Pamela Long Wiggins eighth arrest in Billings' murder; invaders unaware security cameras on: cops

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/16/2009-07-16_pamela_long_wiggins_is_eighth_arrest_in_billings_murder_invaders_unaware_securit.html#ixzz0LXYFfOPp

(http://bumpshack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/pamela-long-wiggins-photos-194x300.jpg)

According to court documents, Wiggins owned a red minivan that was used in the escape after the home invasion/robbery last Thursday
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/pamela-long-wiggins-role-in-the-crime/188759/Jul-16-2009_7-27-pm/




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 02:01:54 PM
Thanks for those links. Here is another interesting article.        http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1019059.ece


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 02:07:22 PM
Island have you heard any comments about human trafficking, I'm not going to bring anything here, some very strange videos, and evidently some on another forum has told authorities about this  ::MonkeyShocked:: I have no idea, just wondered if you heard anything, since you live in the area? One video scared the heck out of me, am not watching anymore.
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: WTF??? No, not yet anyway.......can you email me the link, I'd love to see it.
It is on the In Session and WS boards, you don't have to be a member to read. I'm telling you, some of the things being talked about is rather stunning. I don't want to go into it, because I don't know what is true or not.  And I had no idea that antique stores, could be used for money laundering in the drug trade. I'm learning quite a bit today  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek::

I'm LMAO at WSer's so far, they found 1206 Via DeLuna and yes that house is for sale and probably foreclosure, my daughter goes to school with the boy who lives there and he works on the beach, the property in foreclosure is on Via DeLuna (along with hundereds of homes), but it is in a condo complex and not a single family home..........how they could think that the 1600 Via DeLuna property and the 1206 Via DeLuna property are one in the same is beyond me.....but, I'm still catching up over there (while I'm laughing at them)!!!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 02:10:29 PM
Good afternoon everyone & TY for the updates.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Murder Suspect Arrest Reports Provide Details; Read The Original Reports
July 17, 2009
The original arrest reports of the suspects in the Billings double murder case provide a little more insight in the events that unfolded in their Beulah home on July 9.

NorthEscambia.com has obtained copies of the arrest reports for the suspects arrested in both Escambia and Okaloosa counties. We have requested a copy of the arrest report for Donnie Stallworth, the man who turned himself in and was arrested in Escambia County, Alabama. Authorities in Brewton have not responded to our request.

Click each name below to see the complete arrest reports in pdf format. The reports contain identifying information on each suspect, places of employment and a narrative that describes that person’s alleged involvement in the crime.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr
Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Sr
Wayne Thomas Coldiron

Gary Lamont Sumner, Jr

Frederick Lee Thornton, Jr
Rakeem Chavez Florence
Pamela Long-Wiggins

Edit to add link per cece: http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9545


Title: ~
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 02:14:34 PM

VIDEO AT THIS SITE OF THE MURDERS
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/16/2009-07-16_pamela_long_wiggins_is_eighth_arrest_in_billings_murder_invaders_unaware_securit.html

Pamela Long Wiggins eighth arrest in Billings' murder; invaders unaware security cameras on: cops

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/us_world/2009/07/16/2009-07-16_pamela_long_wiggins_is_eighth_arrest_in_billings_murder_invaders_unaware_securit.html#ixzz0LXYFfOPp

(http://bumpshack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/pamela-long-wiggins-photos-194x300.jpg)

According to court documents, Wiggins owned a red minivan that was used in the escape after the home invasion/robbery last Thursday
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/pamela-long-wiggins-role-in-the-crime/188759/Jul-16-2009_7-27-pm/




Kermit- I posted the link yesterday fromn google maps, if you type in 1206 soundview trail, then got to street view, on the North Side (not directly on the water) you will see her home come up as 1230 Soundview Trail, Gulf Breeze, Fl........look at the car in the driveway, red minivan........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 02:29:29 PM
Hundreds of people attended the funeral service for Byrd and Melanie Billings, the Beulah couple gunned down July 9 in their home.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/bilde.jpg)

Edit to add link per cece:  " photo & blurb was from pnj.com."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 02:36:36 PM
Pamela's Antique business is a big red flag to me.  Antique stores are frequently used for money
laundering in the drug trade.  This woman is bad to the bone.

I agree Magnolia - I get a hinky feeling about her. Something more than accessory after the fact.  Her smug look - I get the feeling she's someone who (Like Casey A.) thinks she's smarter than anyone else.  I seriously hope they up the charges on her.

Kimmy53, I'm with you about the smirky perp walk. She walked out of there like she was at a movie debut or something. Walking on a $10,000 bond had got my hinky meter over heating. Safe buried in her back yard, she knew it was there and where the guns were. Her car was used to transport safe from the crime scene. And what about her supposed husband that she is married to, but not really legal. He seemed to know a lot about what was going on. Very confusing case, and seems to be getting worse.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 02:37:37 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717015

Three men charged in connection with the murder and robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings are scheduled to appear in court this afternoon.

Patrick Gonzalez Jr. of Gulf Breeze, Gary Lamont Sumner of Okaloosa County and Wayne Thomas Coldiron of Pensacola are scheduled for a 1:30 p.m. court appearance. Gonzalez has been identified by investigators as the organizer of the crime.


Prosecutors want to clarify the charges against the trio.


Each is being held without bond.


They are among six men, a 16-year-old boy and a Gulf Breeze woman charged in connection with the July 9 slayings in Beulah.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 02:58:29 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 03:18:10 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I noticed.......but the 1206 Via DeLuna address is cracking me up~if there IS anything buried there, I'll be rich tonight ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:20:04 PM
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090716&Kategori=NEWS01&Lopenr=907160806&Ref=PH

photo gallery of Pam's backyard at 1247 Ramblewood where the safe was found.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:26:00 PM
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090715&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907150805&Ref=PH

Photo gallery including pics of her boat, some of her properties & the antique mall.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/1-5.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 03:31:57 PM
Thanks for the links to the pictures.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:33:31 PM
Thanks for the links to the pictures.

You're welcome no rose & I hope you are having a great day.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:37:46 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9551

The Role Of Pamela Long Wiggins In Billings Murder Case
July 17, 2009
An Escambia County Sheriff’s Department arrest report obtained by NorthEscambia.com says that Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, was an accomplice in the home invasion and murders that occurred on July 9. As suspects were interviewed by investigators, information was received concerning a red minivan that was left at a predetermined location near the crime scene to facilitate the escape of those involved in the crime. That van was later determined to be registered to Wiggins.

Other suspects in the crime told deputies that firearms  — both handguns and long guns — used in the murders and the safe taken from the home were later transferred into Wiggins’ minivan. The van was later observed by witnesses at Magnolia Antique Mall in Gulf Breeze, a business owned by Wiggins. It was reported that Wiggins was the passenger in the red minivan which still contained the victims’ safe and the firearms used in the crimes.

On Monday, the ECSO executed a search warrant at Wiggins’ residence at 1247 Ramblewoods Drive in Gulf Breeze. Authorities were unable to locate the Billings’ safe or the firearms. On Wednesday, her estranged husband, Hugh Wiggins, told investigators that the safe was hidden in the backyard of a home owned by Wiggins. The arrest report does not specify if the home was the one on Ramblewoods Drive or if it was one of five other pieces of property she owns in Santa Rosa County.

State Attorney Bill Eddins confirmed Thursday that the safe and firearms had been recovered. He declined to say what, if anything, was inside the safe.

Wiggins was charged with accessory after the fact to felony murder. She was released on $10,000 bond from the Escambia County Jail.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I noticed.......but the 1206 Via DeLuna address is cracking me up~if there IS anything buried there, I'll be rich tonight ::MonkeyRoll::

I should clarify by saying I don't live at this address, but I do live close enough to spit on this house, and if there was ANY activity in the backyard everyone within a stone's throw would know about it and I'd be digging up their yard tonight....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 03:52:28 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I noticed.......but the 1206 Via DeLuna address is cracking me up~if there IS anything buried there, I'll be rich tonight ::MonkeyRoll::

I should clarify by saying I don't live at this address, but I do live close enough to spit on this house, and if there was ANY activity in the backyard everyone within a stone's throw would know about it and I'd be digging up their yard tonight....
One thing that I don't understand, LE is saying what was in the safe, but what if there was some real good stuff inside there, and one of the people involved in all this took it out and hid it? Medicine in a safe? I don't know just seems weird to me.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
http://www.kgan.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/2abd141d-www.kgan.com.shtml


Funeral held for murdered parents of special-needs kids
July 17, 2009 15:02 EDT


PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- Loved ones are remembering a Florida couple gunned down during a robbery at their home.

A funeral was held today in Pensacola for Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Melanie Billings' brother praised the kindness and selflessness of the couple who adopted 13 children with special needs. Ed Brock says their lives "centered around children, their family and each other."

Brock says the couple "embraced the complexity of raising children with special needs" and "gave these children a joyous childhood and a much needed voice."

They also had four children from previous marriages.

Nine of the children were at home last week when intruders shot the couple to death and made off with a safe. A family spokeswoman says the safe contained jewelry, family documents and children's prescription medication.

Six men and a teenager are charged with murder, and a woman is charged with being an accessory after the fact.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 03:54:28 PM
 Thanks from me too, Cece and Island.    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:55:06 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I noticed.......but the 1206 Via DeLuna address is cracking me up~if there IS anything buried there, I'll be rich tonight ::MonkeyRoll::

I should clarify by saying I don't live at this address, but I do live close enough to spit on this house, and if there was ANY activity in the backyard everyone within a stone's throw would know about it and I'd be digging up their yard tonight....
One thing that I don't understand, LE is saying what was in the safe, but what if there was some real good stuff inside there, and one of the people involved in all this took it out and hid it? Medicine in a safe? I don't know just seems weird to me.

Did I read or hear somewhere that there may have been more than one safe at the house?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 03:56:16 PM
Thanks from me too, Cece and Island.    ::MonkeyAngel::

You're welcome Fanny Mae & hope your day is going well.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 03:58:47 PM
IM, that's why I don't know what is true or not, InSessions also  ::MonkeyConfused:: Rumors I'm sure are running rampant.

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I noticed.......but the 1206 Via DeLuna address is cracking me up~if there IS anything buried there, I'll be rich tonight ::MonkeyRoll::

I should clarify by saying I don't live at this address, but I do live close enough to spit on this house, and if there was ANY activity in the backyard everyone within a stone's throw would know about it and I'd be digging up their yard tonight....
One thing that I don't understand, LE is saying what was in the safe, but what if there was some real good stuff inside there, and one of the people involved in all this took it out and hid it? Medicine in a safe? I don't know just seems weird to me.

That is a great point......I can only speculate that maybe the safe was a combination safe like mine and no other way to get in except blow torch thru it or blast it open, and if they did that there would have been evidence. I don't think anyone of the above players would know the combination, but I could be totally off. Also, when my daughter took adderal I kept it in the safe as I have non-stop teenagers at my house and worry about them getting into RX, but I'm probably unusual in that extreme and I only keep legal document, video's and photos of my children in my safe (that way if the house burns, I don't lose anything).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 03:59:51 PM
I don't recall that their was another safe, but there could have been, that was a huge house, and I'm sure they must have had expensive jewelry and other items that needed to be in a safe.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 04:00:24 PM
Thanks from me too, Cece and Island.    ::MonkeyAngel::

Anytime~I'm sure you're as intrigued as I am since this is close to your old "stomping grounds".


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 04:02:44 PM
I don't recall that their was another safe, but there could have been, that was a huge house, and I'm sure they must have had expensive jewelry and other items that needed to be in a safe.

Thanks no rose.  Maybe it was just speculation about a second safe that I read about. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 04:03:33 PM
Sheriff just announced 4pm CST news conference.. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 04:10:22 PM
Sheriff just announced 4pm CST news conference.. ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks IM.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 04:13:27 PM
Sheriff just announced 4pm CST news conference.. ::MonkeyTongue::

I was wondering before if they were holding off saying more until after the funeral today.   ::MonkeyEek:: 

I still have family and friends down in that area too.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 04:17:24 PM
Thanks maybe LE was holding back info until after the funeral.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 04:20:57 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717018

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan has called a news conference this afternoon.

Investigators plan to discuss evidence in the case against eight suspects linked to the fatal shooting and robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Earlier today, the Billings' family attorney, Crystal Spencer, said the safe taken from the Billings' family home contained prescription medication for some of the children, documents and jewelry that had "sentimental value."


The Billingses were shot July 9 in the home in Beulah in rural western Escambia County.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 04:25:13 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717025

During a mostly procedural court appearance Friday afternoon, Leonard Gonzalez Jr. complained that investigators in the Escambia County Jail have violated his civil rights.

Gonzalez Jr., 35, said that he has paperwork which shows that he has invoked his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. He also complained that he doesn’t have an attorney.


Gonzalez Jr. — who taught self-defense to children — has been called the organizer of the July 9 robbery and killings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


“For some reason they keep questioning me repeatedly and I keep showing everybody at the Sheriff’s Office that I have this document that was filed with the courts showing that I am not to be questioned without my attorney present,” he said. “And again, they are still violating my civil rights, your honor. So what do I do?”
Escambia County Judge Thomas Johnson told him to keep mum.


“They can ask you as much as they want to, but as long as you keep invoking your Fifth Amendment rights, they can’t get any information from you,” Johnson said.


Johnson also explained the Office of Regional Conflict Council should have an attorney appointed to represent him within 24-hours of Friday’s hearing.


Gonzalez Jr.’s co-defendants Wayne Coldiron, 41, and Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, also appeared at the hearing.


Each is charged with two open counts of murder and a count of home invasion.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 04:29:13 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/90717025

During a mostly procedural court appearance Friday afternoon, Leonard Gonzalez Jr. complained that investigators in the Escambia County Jail have violated his civil rights.

Gonzalez Jr., 35, said that he has paperwork which shows that he has invoked his Fifth Amendment right to remain silent. He also complained that he doesn’t have an attorney.


Gonzalez Jr. — who taught self-defense to children — has been called the organizer of the July 9 robbery and killings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


“For some reason they keep questioning me repeatedly and I keep showing everybody at the Sheriff’s Office that I have this document that was filed with the courts showing that I am not to be questioned without my attorney present,” he said. “And again, they are still violating my civil rights, your honor. So what do I do?”
Escambia County Judge Thomas Johnson told him to keep mum.


“They can ask you as much as they want to, but as long as you keep invoking your Fifth Amendment rights, they can’t get any information from you,” Johnson said.


Johnson also explained the Office of Regional Conflict Council should have an attorney appointed to represent him within 24-hours of Friday’s hearing.


Gonzalez Jr.’s co-defendants Wayne Coldiron, 41, and Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, also appeared at the hearing.


Each is charged with two open counts of murder and a count of home invasion.


::MonkeyDevil:: Oh plzzzzzzz give me a break~I'd LOVE to give that thug something to complain about right now! Jerkoff!!!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 17, 2009, 04:38:31 PM
This is absolutely the strangest thing I have ever seen.  It does not hold water to me.  NO ONE breaks into a home, plans it out so far in advance, is in and out of that home so fast, unless they knew what they were going after and whatever that was had to have been VERY, VERY, VERY valuable.  If not then these are the craziest most ignorant people I have ever seen.  Something very big was involved in this and whatever it was had to have been worth a bundle of money.  That many people would have wanted their fair cut of the booty.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 05:06:25 PM
Presser on now:

Contents of safe, passports, Birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelry and rx for kids......LE knew the contents of the safe ahead of time. Safe WAS buried in the backyard ....

Never released that they knew the contents of safe for investigative purposes. Talking about Sunshine laws etc.,  ::MonkeyTongue:: and releasing information.

Not releasing any info on whether they Billing's had another safe or not....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 05:10:14 PM
Sheriff likens it the investigation to a "chess match " at this point. ..........ok, that was quick ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 05:14:47 PM
Presser on now:

Contents of safe, passports, Birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelry and rx for kids......LE knew the contents of the safe ahead of time. Safe WAS buried in the backyard ....

Never released that they knew the contents of safe for investigative purposes. Talking about Sunshine laws etc.,  ::MonkeyTongue:: and releasing information.

Not releasing any info on whether they Billing's had another safe or not....

I found the statement about not saying whether there was another safe was most interesting.  I wonder if there was another safe that the Redneck Riviera Dumazzes didn't know about and didn't get.

I am also wondering about the person that was suppose to "remotely" disable the alarm and video system. Hmmmmm?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 17, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FLORIDA_COUPLE_SLAIN?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=US
Jul 17, 4:52 PM EDT

As slain couple is buried, fuller portrait emerges


By BILL KACZOR and MELISSA NELSON
Associated Press Writers
(http://hosted.ap.org/photos/D/dd624430-6c16-4636-8edb-da0aa11a3338-small.jpg)
 PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- He was a 66-year-old entrepreneur who dabbled in used cars, boats and the adult industry before finally hitting it big. She was a 43-year-old country music lover who fed the homeless and was devoted to her MySpace page.

Together, they adopted 13 children with autism, Down Syndrome and other developmental disabilities and lived in a sprawling home west of Pensacola. And together they were slain there in a well-choreographed invasion captured on surveillance video.

A fuller profile of Byrd and Melanie Billings began to emerge Friday as hundreds of friends and family attended their funeral and recalled them as loving and tireless advocates for disabled children, and for their own four kids.

But interviews and court records also portray Byrd Billings as a former strip club owner-turned used car dealer who was once sentenced to probation for an adoption scam. He frequently crossed paths with "shady characters," according to an ex-wife, but police have offered no evidence linking his past to the murders of Billings and his wife.

This enigmatic portrait is right in line with the case that has captured attention across the country. A week after the fatal burglary in which eight people were arrested - including a 16-year-old and a well-known businesswoman - there remain almost as many questions as answers.

Why would well-practiced thieves target a home with a security camera in every room? Who was Byrd Billings? And what does Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan mean when he says investigators expect motives to emerge beyond simple robbery?

One key question was addressed Friday when, in a bizarre turn, the family attorney disclosed the contents of a safe the intruders made off with - details investigators had refused to release for days. Crystal Spencer, the attorney and spokeswoman, said it contained "important family documents," childrens' prescriptions and jewelry with "sentimental value," but did not offer any additional details.

"Hopefully this will put to rest the intense speculation and rumors that are swirling around the Billings family," she said.

That's hardly likely, as much of the couple's background remains shrouded in mystery - including how they made their fortune - and Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan's assertion that the killers' motives involved more than simple robbery remain unexplained.

Here's what is clear so far: Known around Pensacola as "Bud," Byrd Billings spent his early years in Mississippi and Tennessee. He owned a car dealership in Mississippi in the 1980s, and incorporated a boat company in 1976. The corporation was dissolved in the 1980s.

In divorce records from the dissolution of his second marriage, in 1993, Billings reported having a net worth of just $1,400, including total cash assets of $100 and a net monthly income of $1,190. Four months after the divorce, Melanie became his third wife.

At the time of their death, they were living in a $700,000 home - opulent by Pensacola standards - and associates say they employed several people to care for the children. But how they got there from such a humble beginning to their marriage is unclear.

Byrd's background also includes a strange criminal case. In 1990, he and his second wife, Cindy Reeve, pleaded nolo contendere - which means they did not admit guilt but agreed to a punishment - to charges they doctored birth records and tried to obtain a newborn for $2,100. They both received two years probation which was later amended to a year.

When reached by The Associated Press, Reeve said she wanted to be left alone and the adoption "got blowed out of proportion."

However, she said Byrd "always dealt with shady characters."

At the time of their divorce, the documents show, Billings worked as a consultant for Back Seat Inc., a holding company for a topless bar, which opened in 1990 and no longer exists. Arety Kapatanis, owner of the Pensacola strip club Arety's Angels, said Billings turned her life around after hiring her there as a waitress.

"Bud Billings was a man of integrity. He was generous," Kapatanis said. "He ran his business in the most professional manner. It could have been a shoe store or a bakery. I mean, this type of business tends to get a really bad rap. People expect shady dealings and they expect all kind of things like that. There was never any of that with Bud."

Billings later opened a used car lot, which according to state business records was registered to Melanie and her daughter, Ashley Markham. The business runs on a worn-out slab, surrounded by pawn shops and bail bond companies. Next-door is the Billings' Worldco Financial Services.

Ted Roy, the sheriff's office spokesman, says investigators do not believe Byrd Billings' current or former business dealings were related to the murders.

Melanie, in her second marriage, seemed to thrive helping disabled children.

"Their lives centered around children, their family and each other," said her brother, Ed Brock. "They loved deeply and unconditionally. They embraced the complexity of raising children with special needs and they were their advocates. They gave these children a joyous childhood and a much needed voice."

On her MySpace page, Melanie Billings said she was a "total Internet and ebay JUNKIE" and that her favorite song was "I Cross My Heart," by country music star George Strait. She loved the TV shows CSI, Law & Order and The Sopranos.

She wrote of her love of her family: "My heros (sic) are my children ... They overcome incredible odds each and every second of each and everyday ... And of course ... my hubby ... he is my knight in shining armor."

The MySpace page also showed photos of some of the couple's 17 children (13 adopted together and four biological children from previous marriages); three of the children had died over the years.

A 2005 story in the Pensacola News Journal about the couple said that Melanie, in particular, was inspired to care for disabled children after her daughter Nikki was born in the mid-1980s with cerebral palsy and autism. The paper said that a few days after Hurricane Ivan in September 2004, a toddler named Bailey snuck into the Billings' bathtub and was scalded by a malfunctioning water heater. He died in a Texas hospital when an air bubble accidentally entered a tube that went into his artery and stopped his heart, the paper said.

Melanie Billings wrote on her MySpace about Bailey, calling him and "angel," and told the Pensacola paper why she enjoyed caring for disabled children.

"They're as close to perfect as perfect can get," she said. "There's such a goodness about them, something so genuine, you know, no ulterior motive. They're very innocent."

Billings' friend Patsy Brown said that Melanie "was very organized with the children to the point of ironing nine sets of clothes every night before she put them into bed and they got onto the bus in the morning."

On Friday, the day of the funeral, a light rain greeted mourners. Two matching gray hearses and four white limousines waited in front of west Pensacola's Liberty Church and about 400 cars filled the parking lot. Mourners drove in past dozens of media, kept in a dirt parking away from the church and instructed by church officials to remain off church property.

A funeral program featured numerous pictures of the couple and their 17 children.

"We'll be watching all of you from the heavens up above," the program read. "So take good care of each other and carry on our love."

---

Associated Press Writers Tamara Lush and Travis Reed in Miami, Holbrook Mohr in Jackson, Miss., and the AP News Research Center in New York contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS age of victim Byrd Billings.))



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 05:18:01 PM
Another thing that was interesting was the safe had an electronic keypad, and they weren't sure if the killers got into it. My thought is they could have tortured the numbers out of the Billings before they were killed.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 05:24:39 PM
Presser on now:

Contents of safe, passports, Birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelry and rx for kids......LE knew the contents of the safe ahead of time. Safe WAS buried in the backyard ....

Never released that they knew the contents of safe for investigative purposes. Talking about Sunshine laws etc.,  ::MonkeyTongue:: and releasing information.

Not releasing any info on whether they Billing's had another safe or not....

TY IM.  So a second safe is still in question.  Also, did anyone hear what he was talking about an object in the home had been moved?  Was he referring to something that had been removed from the safe before this happened?  Sorry, I missed that part of it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 05:46:38 PM
It was kind of vague Cece, but it sounded like someone ask him if anything else was removed from the house and he refused to answer.

Also, I just read that Melanie's daughter's name was Ashley MARKHAM. Wasn't that the last name of Pamela's husband that said he had been trying to get a divorce from her for years??? Connection?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 05:57:57 PM
It was kind of vague Cece, but it sounded like someone ask him if anything else was removed from the house and he refused to answer.

Also, I just read that Melanie's daughter's name was Ashley MARKHAM. Wasn't that the last name of Pamela's husband that said he had been trying to get a divorce from her for years??? Connection?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Thanks FM.

About the name,  ::MonkeyHaHa:: Ms. Pam has been married so many times & has so many aliases, I can't keep them straight!  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 06:01:30 PM
This is absolutely the strangest thing I have ever seen.  It does not hold water to me.  NO ONE breaks into a home, plans it out so far in advance, is in and out of that home so fast, unless they knew what they were going after and whatever that was had to have been VERY, VERY, VERY valuable.  If not then these are the craziest most ignorant people I have ever seen.  Something very big was involved in this and whatever it was had to have been worth a bundle of money.  That many people would have wanted their fair cut of the booty.  JMO
[/b]


Exactly what I've been thinking.  I can't imagine that many people involved without a huge payout.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 06:08:23 PM
They keep showing Pamela Long Markham Coco Wiggins or whoever she really is coming out in handcuffs when she was arrested. I noticed that she's got the "slut strut" down about as well as Skanky except there is more "ocean in the motion".  Skanky is moving up fast on her in that regard.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 06:09:55 PM
They keep showing Pamela Long Markham Coco Wiggins or whoever she really is coming out in handcuffs when she was arrested. I noticed that she's got the "slut strut" down about as well as Skanky except there is more "ocean in the motion".  Skanky is moving up fast on her in that regard.  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 17, 2009, 06:11:55 PM
They keep showing Pamela Long Markham Coco Wiggins or whoever she really is coming out in handcuffs when she was arrested. I noticed that she's got the "slut strut" down about as well as Skanky except there is more "ocean in the motion".  Skanky is moving up fast on her in that regard.  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::

HOW did this woman have a yacht?  And it was at the Orange Beach Marina which is an expensive place for boats.  I did hear about the speculation of there being a 2nd safe.  Notice they did not say whether the safe recovered was opened or not.  How stupid for this woman to leave it in her back yard.  Stupid.  I have they fry, all of them.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 17, 2009, 06:12:52 PM
They keep showing Pamela Long Markham Coco Wiggins or whoever she really is coming out in handcuffs when she was arrested. I noticed that she's got the "slut strut" down about as well as Skanky except there is more "ocean in the motion".  Skanky is moving up fast on her in that regard.  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::

HOW did this woman have a yacht?  And it was at the Orange Beach Marina which is an expensive place for boats.  I did hear about the speculation of there being a 2nd safe.  Notice they did not say whether the safe recovered was opened or not.  How stupid for this woman to leave it in her back yard.  Stupid.  I have  hope they fry, all of them.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 06:19:11 PM
They keep showing Pamela Long Markham Coco Wiggins or whoever she really is coming out in handcuffs when she was arrested. I noticed that she's got the "slut strut" down about as well as Skanky except there is more "ocean in the motion".  Skanky is moving up fast on her in that regard.  ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil::

HOW did this woman have a yacht?  And it was at the Orange Beach Marina which is an expensive place for boats.  I did hear about the speculation of there being a 2nd safe.  Notice they did not say whether the safe recovered was opened or not.  How stupid for this woman to leave it in her back yard.  Stupid.  I have they fry, all of them.

I don't know how she accumulated all that stuff. I have a feeling it wasn't by doing anything legal. I just know I just feel like knocking the snot out of her everytime I see her smirking and strutting. I wish her azz was locked up in jail with the rest of them.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 07:12:28 PM
Presser on now:

Contents of safe, passports, Birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelry and rx for kids......LE knew the contents of the safe ahead of time. Safe WAS buried in the backyard ....

Never released that they knew the contents of safe for investigative purposes. Talking about Sunshine laws etc.,  ::MonkeyTongue:: and releasing information.

Not releasing any info on whether they Billing's had another safe or not....

I found the statement about not saying whether there was another safe was most interesting.  I wonder if there was another safe that the Redneck Riviera Dumazzes didn't know about and didn't get.

I am also wondering about the person that was suppose to "remotely" disable the alarm and video system. Hmmmmm?

LMAO ~ you most definitely have lived here when you use the term "redneck riviera", so damn true!!!!!

I feel SURE there was some one that was supposed to disable the alarm based on local news (not pressers), just local interviews with the sheriff.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 07:16:36 PM
It was kind of vague Cece, but it sounded like someone ask him if anything else was removed from the house and he refused to answer.

Also, I just read that Melanie's daughter's name was Ashley MARKHAM. Wasn't that the last name of Pamela's husband that said he had been trying to get a divorce from her for years??? Connection?  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: Actually his name was Madin from what I recall ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 17, 2009, 07:55:12 PM
Did I just hear JVM say they are looking at/for 3 mor suspects?  Or do I need to get my hearing checked?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I  hope she will clarify that.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 07:58:43 PM
Did I just hear JVM say they are looking at/for 3 mor suspects?  Or do I need to get my hearing checked?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I  hope she will clarify that.

That what the radio guy there said. If you need your hearing checked, I do too.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 08:03:47 PM
It was kind of vague Cece, but it sounded like someone ask him if anything else was removed from the house and he refused to answer.

Also, I just read that Melanie's daughter's name was Ashley MARKHAM. Wasn't that the last name of Pamela's husband that said he had been trying to get a divorce from her for years??? Connection?  ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: Actually his name was Madin from what I recall ::MonkeyTongue::

You're right. I was wrong. It was Malden. False alarm.... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 08:12:23 PM
Did I just hear JVM say they are looking at/for 3 mor suspects?  Or do I need to get my hearing checked?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I  hope she will clarify that.

That what the radio guy there said. If you need your hearing checked, I do too.   ::MonkeyRoll::

That's also what the local news is reporting......I'm praying Pam (AKA??????) Wiggins is brought back on a different charge as it make no sense to let her off unless they are following her, and them 2 more people, sheriff sounded adamant about that on local news.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 17, 2009, 08:20:41 PM
Three or more suspects, okay, there is much more going on here.  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 08:24:33 PM
Did I just hear JVM say they are looking at/for 3 mor suspects?  Or do I need to get my hearing checked?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I  hope she will clarify that.

That what the radio guy there said. If you need your hearing checked, I do too.   ::MonkeyRoll::

That's also what the local news is reporting......I'm praying Pam (AKA??????) Wiggins is brought back on a different charge as it make no sense to let her off unless they are following her, and them 2 more people, sheriff sounded adamant about that on local news.

Me too, it just seems so out of the ordinary to let her out on such a low bond. From what I have heard so far about her involvement, she is just as guilty as the rest.

The MS13 connection is what is baffling me. I am confused about that part.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 08:30:39 PM
Did I just hear JVM say they are looking at/for 3 mor suspects?  Or do I need to get my hearing checked?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I  hope she will clarify that.

That what the radio guy there said. If you need your hearing checked, I do too.   ::MonkeyRoll::

That's also what the local news is reporting......I'm praying Pam (AKA??????) Wiggins is brought back on a different charge as it make no sense to let her off unless they are following her, and them 2 more people, sheriff sounded adamant about that on local news.

Me too, it just seems so out of the ordinary to let her out on such a low bond. From what I have heard so far about her involvement, she is just as guilty as the rest.

The MS13 connection is what is baffling me. I am confused about that part.  ::MonkeyConfused::

ITA~also agree about MS-13, this is not a typical MS-13 type (they usually use knives and machetes and slaughter everybody ...even children)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 17, 2009, 08:50:54 PM
I read somewhere that according to Florida law, if a person is involved in the planning of
a crime, that person is as guilty as the people who executed the crime, even if they were
not at the scene at the time the crime was committed. (Wow, that sounds more complicated
than I meant for it to.)

Have we heard who was driving her van when it was parked at the crime scene?  I did read that
the driver remained in each van.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:08:29 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090717/NEWS01/907170323/1124



 ::MonkeyTongue::

Billings safe found in suspect's backyard
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 17, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  Pamela Wiggins had the safe.



Her red minivan carried the evidence away after the slaying of Byrd and Melanie Billings inside the couple's sprawling rural Beulah home, according to arrest reports.

A view of her backyard in Gulf Breeze on Thursday revealed where authorities dug through piles of brick and earth earlier this week for what law enforcement officials called a "medium-sized" safe — the object of desire in the July 9 home invasion that has attracted national attention.

With the recovery of that pivotal piece of evidence and several guns, including a murder weapon, the major investigative phase of the case is at an end, State Attorney Bill Eddins said at a Thursday morning news conference.

"There are obviously some loose ends to tie up," he said.

Wiggins' husband, Hugh, told investigators that the safe was stolen during the robbery at the Billingses' home and that it was hidden in the backyard of one of his wife's homes, the report said.

Wiggins owns at least six houses in the Gulf Breeze area. Her address listed in phone directories and also in the Sheriff's Office's arrest report places her primary residence in the 1200 block of Ramblewood Drive. That is where investigators found the buried safe.

Out on bond
Wiggins posted $10,000 bond and was at that Gulf Breeze residence by Thursday afternoon.

Wiggins' bond was lower than the seven other defendants' because her alleged crime is less severe and because she cooperated with investigators, Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said. Prosecutors have not ruled out filing additional charges against her.

Wiggins did not answer the door at her Gulf Breeze home when visited by reporters. Two Escambia County deputies who arrived in an unmarked car were seen entering her home shortly after 3 p.m. A sheriff's spokeswoman could not confirm why the deputies paid her the afternoon visit.

The Billingses were known throughout the Pensacola area for adopting special-needs children, nine of whom were in the couple's Beulah home when the killings occurred.

(2 of 2)


The weeklong investigation has netted eight arrests, including Wiggins, 47, and her friend, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, the man investigators called the "organizer" of the precise military-style raid on the couple's home.



The seven men accused in the raid are in Escambia County Jail with no bond on two open counts of murder each. The cases will head to a grand jury in the coming weeks.

Eddins also confirmed Thursday afternoon that the recovered safe was "medium-sized, but small enough for one person to carry." Eddins declined to reveal its contents.

Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said he could not comment about reports that there was more than one safe in the home.

While Eddins refused to say what kinds of weapons were recovered, police reports show that at least three guns were carried into the home. Several spent 9 mm casings were recovered.

Wiggins' minivan
Investigators still are searching for two "persons of interest" with possible connections to the case, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said. One of those people is someone investigators believe was tasked with disabling the couple's extensive room-to-room surveillance system from a remote location, but didn't, Morgan said.

Wiggins — a Gulf Breeze property manager — is charged as an accessory after the fact. The charge carries a possible 30-year state prison sentence upon conviction. She was taken in for questioning Wednesday afternoon after she was found at an Orange Beach, Ala., marina on her yacht named "Classy Lady." She was arrested as the evening waned.

Her role in the elaborate home invasion was unclear until new details emerged Thursday through arrest reports.

Before the planned invasion of the Billings compound, a red minivan was left near the Beulah crime scene to aid in the planned escape, investigators said.

That minivan belonged to Wiggins, according to a police report.

Defendants cooperating with investigators said the guns used during the robbery and killings were transferred to Wiggins' minivan, which was later seen at a her antique shop in the 4300 block of Gulf Breeze Parkway, according to an arrest report.

Wiggins was a passenger in the minivan while the guns and the Billingses' safe were inside the vehicle. She "had knowledge these weapons were used by the suspects during the commission of the home invasion (and) double homicide," the arrest report said.

A neighbor reported that a red vehicle sped away from co-defendant Leonard Gonzalez Sr.'s Palm Court home in Escambia County with several people inside. Another larger 15-passenger van seen in surveillance footage from the Billingses' home was found behind Gonzalez Sr.'s trailer.

Both vans were recovered.

Marina Management President Leo Cyr said Wiggins kept her yacht docked at Palafox Pier in downtown Pensacola until about January of this year. The lease on the slip was in Pamela Wiggins' name, he said. He never met the Wigginses personally.

"They kept it here for a while and then she got into us for about $3,000," he said. "We came here one day and the boat was gone."



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 09:24:43 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO


Title: ~
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 09:33:56 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO

You are correct, the judge even doubled it originally he was charged with tampering with evidence only, the SA stated to the judge that he was cooperating and requested 250m and the judge raised it to 500m, now here she is with a 10m bond???

I agree with you throw the book at all of them (just wondering if there is a reason the SA hasn't done this yet).......also rode by her house today on Soundview-not a soul there and NO cars, so she must be staying somewhere else.



Title: Re: ~
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:03:39 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO

You are correct, the judge even doubled it originally he was charged with tampering with evidence only, the SA stated to the judge that he was cooperating and requested 250m and the judge raised it to 500m, now here she is with a 10m bond???

I agree with you throw the book at all of them (just wondering if there is a reason the SA hasn't done this yet).......also rode by her house today on Soundview-not a soul there and NO cars, so she must be staying somewhere else.



What about the house that is close to you. Is it a rental property?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 17, 2009, 10:06:36 PM
This is more like a revenge killing.  I would be willing to bet that Byrd and Pamela have crossed
paths before.  He had a bunch of sleezy businesses. 

I just can't figure why they needed so many people involved.


Title: Re: ~
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:07:20 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO

You are correct, the judge even doubled it originally he was charged with tampering with evidence only, the SA stated to the judge that he was cooperating and requested 250m and the judge raised it to 500m, now here she is with a 10m bond???

I agree with you throw the book at all of them (just wondering if there is a reason the SA hasn't done this yet).......also rode by her house today on Soundview-not a soul there and NO cars, so she must be staying somewhere else.



What about the house that is close to you. Is it a rental property?

The 1206 Via DeLuna property that WSer's kept referercing isn't but it's for sale and has NO connection, but the 1600 Via De Luna property is about .5 miles away, I'll go drive by and see if it has a sign out.......most likely if it is it would be a weekly rental as most of the beach properties are weekly and just a tiny fraction are annual lease.....BRB!!!


Title: Re: ~
Post by: Magnolia on July 17, 2009, 10:10:00 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO

You are correct, the judge even doubled it originally he was charged with tampering with evidence only, the SA stated to the judge that he was cooperating and requested 250m and the judge raised it to 500m, now here she is with a 10m bond???

I agree with you throw the book at all of them (just wondering if there is a reason the SA hasn't done this yet).......also rode by her house today on Soundview-not a soul there and NO cars, so she must be staying somewhere else.



What about the house that is close to you. Is it a rental property?

The 1206 Via DeLuna property that WSer's kept referercing isn't but it's for sale and has NO connection, but the 1600 Via De Luna property is about .5 miles away, I'll go drive by and see if it has a sign out.......most likely if it is it would be a weekly rental as most of the beach properties are weekly and just a tiny fraction are annual lease.....BRB!!!

I can just smell the salt air.


Title: Re: ~
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:14:31 PM
I thought Gonzalez Sr co-operated with the police too. The SA wanted to have a lower bond on him too, but was over ruled by the judge. Seems to me that Pamela had just as much to do with the whole thing as he did, maybe more. Doesn't make sense that any of them would be out on bond, and not charged with murder too for the planning and helping.

Looks like Pamela has been conning her way through life for a long time....JMO

You are correct, the judge even doubled it originally he was charged with tampering with evidence only, the SA stated to the judge that he was cooperating and requested 250m and the judge raised it to 500m, now here she is with a 10m bond???

I agree with you throw the book at all of them (just wondering if there is a reason the SA hasn't done this yet).......also rode by her house today on Soundview-not a soul there and NO cars, so she must be staying somewhere else.



What about the house that is close to you. Is it a rental property?

The 1206 Via DeLuna property that WSer's kept referercing isn't but it's for sale and has NO connection, but the 1600 Via De Luna property is about .5 miles away, I'll go drive by and see if it has a sign out.......most likely if it is it would be a weekly rental as most of the beach properties are weekly and just a tiny fraction are annual lease.....BRB!!!

I can just smell the salt air.

Yes, I still smell it every time I open the doors here and still love it!



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:24:22 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx


Title: Re: ~
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:26:38 PM


I can just smell the salt air.

I can too, Magnolia. And the sound of the surf on the powder white sand. And the sticky feeling on my skin from the salt spray. I love the Gulf, as we said as kids, "We're goin' to the Guff!"  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:37:11 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.

More than that.....I can see that other property out my bedroom window and the beach is SUPER quite in the private areas and everybody knows everything and sees everything  ::MonkeyDevil:: , but the safe was found in Gulf Breeze, this is 1206 Via DeLuna


http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/East-Pensacola-Beach/3373271-Real-Estate.aspx


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:39:32 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.

More than that.....I can see that other property out my bedroom window and the beach is SUPER quite in the private areas and everybody knows everything and sees everything  ::MonkeyDevil:: , but the safe was found in Gulf Breeze, this is 1206 Via DeLuna


http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/East-Pensacola-Beach/3373271-Real-Estate.aspx

CRAP~wrong photo..........didn't want mother in law suite, but front of house photo


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:41:45 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.

More than that.....I can see that other property out my bedroom window and the beach is SUPER quite in the private areas and everybody knows everything and sees everything  ::MonkeyDevil:: , but the safe was found in Gulf Breeze, this is 1206 Via DeLuna


http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/East-Pensacola-Beach/3373271-Real-Estate.aspx

CRAP~wrong photo..........didn't want mother in law suite, but front of house photo

Is that one of her property's that is in foreclosure?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:43:26 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.

More than that.....I can see that other property out my bedroom window and the beach is SUPER quite in the private areas and everybody knows everything and sees everything  ::MonkeyDevil:: , but the safe was found in Gulf Breeze, this is 1206 Via DeLuna


http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/East-Pensacola-Beach/3373271-Real-Estate.aspx

CRAP~wrong photo..........didn't want mother in law suite, but front of house photo

Is that one of her property's that is in foreclosure?


I meant the condo one.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:45:12 PM
I guess I am pretty stupid about real estate, but how do you buy multiple properties over a period of years with foreclosures on almost every one?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:51:19 PM
Fanny~I did not see a sign for that specific condo, it could be thru a management agy though. I did google a Regency Villa for sale, hers is #406 IIRC and this is #602.

http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/Regency-Villas/3101033-Real-Estate.aspx

I see why you were laughing today at ws. It'd be a little hard to bury something there!  ::MonkeyRoll::

I thought the news release said today she went back to the house where the safe was found.

More than that.....I can see that other property out my bedroom window and the beach is SUPER quite in the private areas and everybody knows everything and sees everything  ::MonkeyDevil:: , but the safe was found in Gulf Breeze, this is 1206 Via DeLuna


http://homes.point2.com/US/Florida/Escambia-County/Pensacola-Beach/East-Pensacola-Beach/3373271-Real-Estate.aspx

CRAP~wrong photo..........didn't want mother in law suite, but front of house photo

Is that one of her property's that is in foreclosure?


The condo photo is, the other photo is just another home for sale  1206 Via De Luna.....I have NO clue why the WSer's think it's connected (maybe because she also has 1206 Soundview Trail and it is in preforeclosure along with 4 other properties - and 4 of them went into preforeclosure just last month)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:52:44 PM
I guess I am pretty stupid about real estate, but how do you buy multiple properties over a period of years with foreclosures on almost every one?

The foreclosures are recent.........beyond that I'd love to know the answer myself.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 10:59:04 PM
Ok, I'll need to check my own notes, but this is 1600 Via DeLuna #406


http://www.vragent.com/rental/62866/images#info


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 17, 2009, 10:59:49 PM


The condo photo is, the other photo is just another home for sale  1206 Via De Luna.....I have NO clue why the WSer's think it's connected (maybe because she also has 1206 Soundview Trail and it is in preforeclosure along with 4 other properties - and 4 of them went into preforeclosure just last month)

It is just such a beautiful place to think someone may have hatched up a plot to do this terrible thing. I know most of them don't live down on the island, but it is creepy to think that Pamela would have anything to do with it. It is infuriating that she has such a big boat, and even stiffed the Palafox Marina. I don't know why I am so focused on her. It just seems so wrong that she is out.

I wonder if they were drug running with that boat and that is the MS-13 connection. Or the finance company that Mr Billings ran, had anything to do with her real estate loans. It is so unusual.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 11:08:06 PM


The condo photo is, the other photo is just another home for sale  1206 Via De Luna.....I have NO clue why the WSer's think it's connected (maybe because she also has 1206 Soundview Trail and it is in preforeclosure along with 4 other properties - and 4 of them went into preforeclosure just last month)

It is just such a beautiful place to think someone may have hatched up a plot to do this terrible thing. I know most of them don't live down on the island, but it is creepy to think that Pamela would have anything to do with it. It is infuriating that she has such a big boat, and even stiffed the Palafox Marina. I don't know why I am so focused on her. It just seems so wrong that she is out.

I wonder if they were drug running with that boat and that is the MS-13 connection. Or the finance company that Mr Billings ran, had anything to do with her real estate loans. It is so unusual.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know I feel so peaceful on the Island, but last night my son was like..maybe we should lock our doors from now on, it freaks him out a bit seeing it happened in Beulah.

I can't believe she stiffed the marina,(well, I take that back).when we had our boat at the TN river at the marina they wouldn't let you have access to it if you owed any money, of course ours was in dry storage and I'm assuming there is no way to easily store a 45ft yacht.

I can't wait for the story to finally play out completely because right now it just makes NO sense.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 17, 2009, 11:13:12 PM
A little o/t but there is a big air show in Dayton this weekend. The Angels aren't here this year, but the AF's Thunderbirds, and the Army's Knights will be here. They have been flying around practicing all day. We are way south of the airport, though. Dayton is a big AF town, with Wright Patterson being here.

I took some benedryl for allergies tonight, and it is making me drowsy. But I will be back in the morning. Take a big wiff of that salt air for me.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Night Fanny~I'm outta here too and I'll take a whiff of the redneck riviera just for you and see everyone tomorrow & enjoy the air show!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 18, 2009, 12:19:28 AM
I found this on an AOL blog.  I thought it summed it all up pretty well.



03:05 PMJul 17 2009

Yeah, right. You've got a whole group of people, including active military, who trained for a month to conduct a ten minute ninja raid, and all they were after was some attention deficit pills? If you believe that, you must surely also believe in the Easter Bunny.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 18, 2009, 10:26:08 AM
I found this on an AOL blog.  I thought it summed it all up pretty well.



03:05 PMJul 17 2009

Yeah, right. You've got a whole group of people, including active military, who trained for a month to conduct a ten minute ninja raid, and all they were after was some attention deficit pills? If you believe that, you must surely also believe in the Easter Bunny.


Exactly, there is way more to this story, and eventually it will all leak out.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 10:27:17 AM
Good Saturday morning to everyone.  Hope you are enjoying your weekend.  Thanks IM for the pics.  It sure helps me to have an image in my mind. 


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090718/NEWS01/907180323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

A bittersweet introduction
Siblings separated by questionable adoption meet for first time at funeral


It was the worst possible time for a reunion.

At Pensacola Memorial Gardens on Friday, Regina Spence, 21, stood solemnly in a long black dress.

She didn't know Byrd and Melanie Billings, murdered in a home invasion July 9.

Nor did she know the Billingses' adopted son, Justin. But she knew that he was her 20-year-old brother.

Twenty years ago, Spence's mother, Vickie Lynn Taylor, then 27, made a desperate move to give Justin a better life.

Already the mother of four, she devised a scheme to sidestep the adoption process and give her newborn son to Byrd Billings, then 47, and his girlfriend, Cindy Reeve, who was 27.

The scheme failed, ending in criminal charges and probationary sentences against Billings, Reeve and Taylor.

Within a couple of years, however, Billings and his wife, Melanie, were able to arrange to adopt Justin legally. He was one of 13 children adopted over the years, some of them developmentally disabled.

For years, Spence, who later was adopted herself, has known about Justin. She asked about him. She wanted to call him so many times.

But how do you start that conversation?

"I've been pondering it for years how to do this, but I chickened out every time I tried to do it," she said.

Now, Spence was standing at his parents' funeral.

Her eyes scanned through the faces of scores of mourners. Her breath stopped when she laid eyes on the young man sitting in the front row. Her legs started to shake nervously.

She'd just seen her brother for the very first time.

The timing, she knew, was bad.

"Things like this don't happen in sad places,'' she said. "Things like this happen in happy places. Coffee shops.''

But she could wait no longer.

She was trembling as the services ended. She started walking toward her brother. She stopped just within arm's reach. Their eyes met, and she said something too quietly to be heard.

For the first time in their lives, the brother and sister hugged.

Justin's birth
Billings and Reeve wanted to have a baby in 1989 but were having trouble conceiving, according to Escambia County sheriff's reports from the time.

(2 of 2)


Taylor approached them with an offer of a child, and the trio worked out a deal.



Justin was born on June 4, 1989, at Taylor's home. Several hours after the birth, she checked into Sacred Heart Hospital under Reeve's name and identified Billings as the father.

About a week and a half later, Taylor told sheriff's deputies she forged Reeve's signature on the birth certificate.

She said she conspired with Reeve and Billings so they could have a baby, the sheriff's records say. They agreed to loan her $2,100 as part of the deal, according to the records.

The three were charged with violating adoption laws and supplying fraudulent information for a birth certificate.

Billings and Reeve married before their case went to court. All three pleaded no contest and were sentenced to probation.

Meanwhile, Billings and his wife were divorced in 1993, and he was remarried to Melanie Brock a few months later.

Reeve, who is remarried, now lives in Texas. She could not be reached.

Going fishing
Even after the criminal case, Byrd Billings never gave up on Justin, who was in foster care.

Billings navigated the state adoption system so he could adopt Justin legally. The year the adoption was finazlied could not be immediately determined.

Spence and her other three other siblings were adopted by another local couple — "two of the best parents you could ever think about," she said.

Her parents told her about Justin, and she still has the newspaper stories from the time. She didn't think Justin knew about her.

After the burial Friday, Spence scribbled her name and phone number on the back of a white cardboard fan and handed it to her brother.

She lives in Walnut Hill in North Escambia County. Justin lives in Pensacola.

He told her that he wants to know her, and they'd get together in a couple of weeks when life is more settled for his grieving family.

Justin has not spoken publicly since his parents' death.

"I feel like something missing just clicked back into place,'' Spence said after meeting him.

"He wants to go fishing," she said. "I'm so going fishing."





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 10:39:18 AM
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090717&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907170804&Ref=PH


Link to photo gallery of Billings Burial.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 18, 2009, 10:41:03 AM
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090717&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907170804&Ref=PH


Link to photo gallery of Billings Burial.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 10:46:55 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9577

Three Of Seven Murder Suspects Back In Court
July 18, 2009
Three of the seven suspects in the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder case were back in court on Friday.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr, Wayne Coldiron and Gary Sumner faced a judge to be officially charged with two open counts of murder each.

There were apparently some mistakes on the original arrest warrants for each man, and they were in court Friday to face the official corrected charges. The suspects appeared via video feed from the Escambia County Jail.

They are due back in court in early August.

Also on Friday, Robert and Marlene Ingram filed an eviction notice to have Coldiron officially removed from his residence at 210 Yoakum Court in Pensacola.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 10:51:02 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9576

July 18, 2009
Byrd Billings was involved in an adoption fraud case involving a fake birth certificate and $2,100 back in 1989.

Court records in Escambia County show that Byrd Billings was involved in an adoption and birth certificate fraud case back in 1989 along with Cindy Reeve Billings, Byrd Billing’s second wife.

That’s when, according to court records, a 20-year old woman, Vickie Lynn Taylor checked in to Sacred Heart Hospital under the name Cindy Reeve. She had delivered a baby at home on June 4. While in Sacred Heart, she listed the father as Byrd Billings on the birth certificate.

After the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department got wind of the incident about ten days later, they interviewed Taylor who told them she agreed to the crime for a $2,100 loan from Billings. She said that the Billingses wanted to claim the baby as their own.  That baby was named Justin.

The trio did not admit guilt, but pleaded nolo contendere. That plea means they agreed to be punished without actually admitting guilt.  They were sentenced to two years probation.

When Billings divorced Reeve in 1993, his net worth was just $1,400. He had total case assets of just $100 and a monthly income of $1,190. Four months after that divorce,  he was married to Melanie Billings.

(Click here to see the divorce final judgement pdf)

In 1995, Cindy Reeve Billings was ordered to pay $300 per month child support to Byrd Billings. (Click here to read the support document pdf))

At the time of his divorce from Cindy Reeve Billings, Byrd Billings was a consultant working for a company called Back Seat, Inc. — the holding company that owned the topless bar Back Seat Lounge.

At the time of the murders, Melanie Billings and her daughter Ashley Markham owned a used car lot and he owned a company called Worldco Financial Services.

The Escambia County Sheriff’s Department has said several times that Billing’s current and former businesses are not part of their investigation.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 10:52:40 AM
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090717&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907170804&Ref=PH


Link to photo gallery of Billings Burial.
Thank-you

My pleasure no rose.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 18, 2009, 02:25:40 PM
Good Saturday morning to everyone.  Hope you are enjoying your weekend.  Thanks IM for the pics.  It sure helps me to have an image in my mind. 


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090718/NEWS01/907180323&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

A bittersweet introduction






Oh my, Cece. Thank you. How touching.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 18, 2009, 02:37:21 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/07/17/a1a_couple_0718.html

BEULAH — Jack isn't taking any chances. And he's not alone.

Residents of this remote enclave less than 2 miles from the Florida-Alabama border are sleeping with their guns or, for the few who aren't already packing, buying them.

As slain couple is buried, fuller portrait emerges
 
Standing outside the Texaco station less than a mile from the compound where Byrd and Melanie Billings and their adopted children lived before the couple's brutal slayings, a man who would identify himself only by his first name described the community's mood.

"People around here are panicking," Jack said. "If they hadn't been sitting on their rifles and stuff, they are now. I guarantee."

Karla Arnold is. The gas station clerk, who also owns a housekeeping business and cleaned for the Billingses several times, said she's now carrying her gun regularly.

One of the men charged in the murders also was a customer at the store, Arnold said.

"I would never have dreamed it," she said. "Now, I look twice when I come in the store in the morning."

At his parents' funeral Friday, Justin Billings expressed the disbelief felt throughout the Pensacola area.

"My parents, they were God's gift to the world," he said in his eulogy. "Mom, Dad, you will truly be missed, by family, friends, everyone. You left a lasting impression on everybody."

Ninja-style gunmen invaded the couple's home and shot them execution-style with several children in the house. The family maintains that the killers' motive was money.

Beulah is "the place that we least expect those kinds of things to happen," said Escambia County Commissioner Wilson Roberts, whose district includes Beulah.

Like many others, Roberts likened the crime to the murders recounted in In Cold Blood, the Truman Capote book about two drifters who killed a Midwest farm family.

"In that community, that rural area, to have this done, planned and perpetrated like it was, it certainly reminds me of that. It's just horrific," Roberts said.

Modern subdivisions pepper the stretch of rural road where the Billingses lived. But many homesteads, including theirs, are set far back from public view and surrounded by scrub pines or farmland.

Despite the world's attention on the family and the almost-surreal circumstances of the slayings, travelers on Mobile Highway could easily drive past their home, unaware of the tragedy that took place on July 9. The wooden gates opening onto a long driveway leading to the 6-year-old home had only a few mementos from mourners Friday: several balloons, a hand-written note or two, a dog tag that read "Fear Not."

The suspects are now locked up, but that hasn't eased the minds of many of Beulah's residents, especially the old-timers.

Tommy Peek's mother, who lives across the road from the Billingses, "is scared to death," he says.

Ashley Markham, the eldest daughter at age 26, suddenly became the matriarch of a family of 14.

Standing by her mother's coffin at the wake Thursday, Markham rested her head beside the pink rose spray, sobbing and giving her mom a final embrace. At the funeral, Markham promised to keep her pledge to her mother that she would keep the family together if anything happened.

"I will never be able to take their place, but I will devote my life to all of you just as they would have," Markham said to her siblings, her voice breaking. "I promise to all of you that I will live every day of my life making sure you know how wonderful our mom and dad were and how much they loved you all."

The Billingses were well-known in the community but not a vital part of it, said Steve McNair, chief of the volunteer fire department.

His crew had been to the Billings household on several occasions for emergencies, including seizures. One child with Down syndrome died after suffering severe burns when he wandered into a hot bathtub, McNair said. No one was charged in the child's death.

Many Pensacolans, obsessed with news coverage of the murders, aren't so sure about the family's theory that the motive was money.

They are speculating that drugs may have been involved. Or perhaps it had something to do with the auto loans that the Billingses financed for people who couldn't otherwise get credit.

Whatever the reason, the result is shocking.

"In my 45 years here," Roberts said, "it's the most tragic event."




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cartfly on July 18, 2009, 09:25:09 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/content/local_news/epaper/2009/07/17/a1a_couple_0718.html

BEULAH — Jack isn't taking any chances. And he's not alone.

Residents of this remote enclave less than 2 miles from the Florida-Alabama border are sleeping with their guns or, for the few who aren't already packing, buying them.

As slain couple is buried, fuller portrait emerges
 
Standing outside the Texaco station less than a mile from the compound where Byrd and Melanie Billings and their adopted children lived before the couple's brutal slayings, a man who would identify himself only by his first name described the community's mood.

"People around here are panicking," Jack said. "If they hadn't been sitting on their rifles and stuff, they are now. I guarantee."

Karla Arnold is. The gas station clerk, who also owns a housekeeping business and cleaned for the Billingses several times, said she's now carrying her gun regularly.

One of the men charged in the murders also was a customer at the store, Arnold said.

"I would never have dreamed it," she said. "Now, I look twice when I come in the store in the morning."

At his parents' funeral Friday, Justin Billings expressed the disbelief felt throughout the Pensacola area.

"My parents, they were God's gift to the world," he said in his eulogy. "Mom, Dad, you will truly be missed, by family, friends, everyone. You left a lasting impression on everybody."

Ninja-style gunmen invaded the couple's home and shot them execution-style with several children in the house. The family maintains that the killers' motive was money.

Beulah is "the place that we least expect those kinds of things to happen," said Escambia County Commissioner Wilson Roberts, whose district includes Beulah.

Like many others, Roberts likened the crime to the murders recounted in In Cold Blood, the Truman Capote book about two drifters who killed a Midwest farm family.

"In that community, that rural area, to have this done, planned and perpetrated like it was, it certainly reminds me of that. It's just horrific," Roberts said.

Modern subdivisions pepper the stretch of rural road where the Billingses lived. But many homesteads, including theirs, are set far back from public view and surrounded by scrub pines or farmland.

Despite the world's attention on the family and the almost-surreal circumstances of the slayings, travelers on Mobile Highway could easily drive past their home, unaware of the tragedy that took place on July 9. The wooden gates opening onto a long driveway leading to the 6-year-old home had only a few mementos from mourners Friday: several balloons, a hand-written note or two, a dog tag that read "Fear Not."

The suspects are now locked up, but that hasn't eased the minds of many of Beulah's residents, especially the old-timers.

Tommy Peek's mother, who lives across the road from the Billingses, "is scared to death," he says.

Ashley Markham, the eldest daughter at age 26, suddenly became the matriarch of a family of 14.

Standing by her mother's coffin at the wake Thursday, Markham rested her head beside the pink rose spray, sobbing and giving her mom a final embrace. At the funeral, Markham promised to keep her pledge to her mother that she would keep the family together if anything happened.

"I will never be able to take their place, but I will devote my life to all of you just as they would have," Markham said to her siblings, her voice breaking. "I promise to all of you that I will live every day of my life making sure you know how wonderful our mom and dad were and how much they loved you all."

The Billingses were well-known in the community but not a vital part of it, said Steve McNair, chief of the volunteer fire department.

His crew had been to the Billings household on several occasions for emergencies, including seizures. One child with Down syndrome died after suffering severe burns when he wandered into a hot bathtub, McNair said. No one was charged in the child's death.

Many Pensacolans, obsessed with news coverage of the murders, aren't so sure about the family's theory that the motive was money.

They are speculating that drugs may have been involved. Or perhaps it had something to do with the auto loans that the Billingses financed for people who couldn't otherwise get credit.

Whatever the reason, the result is shocking.

"In my 45 years here," Roberts said, "it's the most tragic event."




Melanie just lost her daughter (biological) that had cerebral palsy and autism August 1st of last year. Bailey was the little one that was scalded/burned in a household accident with scalding water in 2004. He was treated in Texas at the Shriners Burn hospital but during his treatment somehow an air bubble entered one of his lines and stopped his little heart. He would have survived the burns of about 30 % (2nd and 3rd) had this air embolism not occurred. This was the reason for the surveillance cameras throughout the house because they wanted to avoid another child getting hurt. This family had certainly seen a lifetime of tragedy already before their own lives were so viciously taken from them. May punishment be swift to those responsible. My prayers for strength to this precious family in the coming days.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 18, 2009, 11:08:09 PM
It sounds like you might know them personally, Cartfly. 

My heart aches for the family and those who love them.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 09:38:22 AM
Good morning monkeys.  Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend.

(Sorry if this is a repeat.  I may have missed it)

http://www.citrusdaily.com/state-news/woman-accused-florida-murders-not-realtor-association-says/2009/07/18/8528.html


Woman accused in Panhandle murders not a Realtor, association says
Submitted by Robby Douglas on Sat, 07/18/2009 - 1:48pm.
 
The National Association of Realtors says the woman arrested in connection with the murders of a Beulah, Fla., couple last week is not a Realtor.

The association released the statement below in which it said Pamela Long Wiggins, charged in connection with the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings near Pensacola, is not a Realtor.

"The National Association of Realtors can confirm that she is not a Realtor, which is a protected trademark of the National Association of Realtors®, and is not synonymous with 'real estate agent,'" the NAR said.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 19, 2009, 10:43:46 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090719/NEWS01/907190335/Ashley-s-story--Grief--rumors--family&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL             Interesting article.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 04:19:25 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090719/NEWS01/907190335/Ashley-s-story--Grief--rumors--family&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL             Interesting article.

Yep, its time to start the old "blame the victims game". We are are corious why the Billings were murdered. And a lot of it doesn't make a lot of sense. No matter what business dealings Mr Billings might have had, or so-called "sleezy" businesses, the fact of the matter is whatever he may or may not have done, he and his wife did not deserve to be killed in front of 9 of their children by 8 or more criminal types invading their home and talking whatever they wanted, or thought they deserved.

I do not know these people, on either side of this crime. But it is clear that it was another bunch of people who think they are entitled to whatever they wanted to have, whatever means they had to take to get it.

I have been looking for a video of last night's Geraldo show. The sheriff of Escambia County, David Morgan was on his show, and was very well spoken. He said little more than what we already knew. Geraldo drilled him over and over and mocked his reasoning for having federal agents brought in. The DEA puzzles me too.

 Sheriff Morgan went on to thank Geraldo first before he started any statements, saying he appreciated the national attention and that he and his wife were both retired from the Air Force. Geraldo said he knows the panhandle of Florida very well.(?) (I don't think I remember Geraldo ever having a background on the panhandle, except for his pompous last-minutes of showing up during a hurricane so he could stand out in the worst of it and look brave.) BTW, it was Geraldo's brother Craig, who was live in P'cola sitting with the sheriff.I guess Geraldo is afraid to go back to Florida, after the fiasco in Putnam County.

However, after the sheriff was off and it went to the so-called experts.
Across the banner on the screen, it said something to the effect that "the inexperieced sheriff had to call in for federal help." Geraldo is an idiot!! I am still looking for the video.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 04:26:28 PM
I do not know how long Sheriff Morgan has been sheriff of Escambia County. I am sure Island Monkey would know. However I have looked up his background. What Geraldo has up on the banner on his show was insulting. I guess there will now be another country in Florida that Geraldo will not be welcomed in.

Read Sheriff Morgan's background for yourself and see what you think.

http://www.escambiaso.com/aboutSheriff.aspx


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 06:55:16 PM
I couldn't find the Geraldo video of his show.

This is a link to a fox radio show last Friday with Geraldo about the murders:

http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/m/25341528/ocean-s-13.htm#q=Billings+murders


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 19, 2009, 06:56:52 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


EXCLUSIVE: BILLINGS MURDERS MAY BE CONTRACT HIT
July 19 20092 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

EXCLUSIVE: BILLINGS MURDERS MAY BE CONTRACT HIT

Sources close to suspects and persons of interests in the Billings murders allege that Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. was paid to kill Byrd and Melanie Billings. They claim that the investigators have been told this and that the contract price was between $20,000-$50,000 and whatever Gonzalez and his accomplices could remove from the Billings residence.

Because of concerns over possible reprisals, my sources have asked to stay anonymous.

These sources also allege that Gonzalez and his team had been planning the hit for several months and much of the planning was done in the home of Pamela Wiggins, who has been charged with accessory after the fact. Wiggins has been released after posting a $10,000 bond.

According to my sources, there was an earlier attempt to invade the Billings home that was done after dark–which may have only been a “dry run.” However Gonzalez and his accomplices were frightened off by the outdoor lighting that was attached to motion sensors. The outdoor lights turned on when the vehicle went on the property and the would-be home invaders drove off. Allegedly Pamela Wiggins was parked on the street down from the Billings residence to watch this attempt.

The failed after-dark attempt explains why Gonzalez and crew invaded the Billings residence at 7 p.m. on Thursday, July 9 before sunset.

The motive for the hit on Byrd and Melanie Billings appears to be connected to Byrd Billings’ financing of used car lots in the area, according to my sources.

I have been unable to reach the State Attorney to discuss this report. I did speak with Escambia County Sheriff’s Office and they will not confirm or deny this information.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 19, 2009, 07:02:02 PM
I do not know how long Sheriff Morgan has been sheriff of Escambia County. I am sure Island Monkey would know. However I have looked up his background. What Geraldo has up on the banner on his show was insulting. I guess there will now be another country in Florida that Geraldo will not be welcomed in.

Read Sheriff Morgan's background for yourself and see what you think.

http://www.escambiaso.com/aboutSheriff.aspx


November 2008............

I was thankful Whorealdo didn't show up, but would have preferred NO on from his show was here. Our sheriff was gracious in his comments about our servicemen (which includes my stepson), and I think he has done an incredible job and believe he is still playing a chess game, and has people or agencies all over Pamela Long Wiggins...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 19, 2009, 07:07:05 PM
I do not know how long Sheriff Morgan has been sheriff of Escambia County. I am sure Island Monkey would know. However I have looked up his background. What Geraldo has up on the banner on his show was insulting. I guess there will now be another country in Florida that Geraldo will not be welcomed in.

Read Sheriff Morgan's background for yourself and see what you think.

http://www.escambiaso.com/aboutSheriff.aspx


November 2008............

I was thankful Whorealdo didn't show up, but would have preferred NO on from his show was here. Our sheriff was gracious in his comments about our servicemen (which includes my stepson), and I think he has done an incredible job and believe he is still playing a chess game, and has people or agencies all over Pamela Long Wiggins...

ETA~He was elected Nov 08, and became sheriff in Jan 09.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 07:09:40 PM
Still no luck with the Geraldo video.  But I did find this from Inside Edition. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/PMuo8xiGpI0&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 07:12:49 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090719/NEWS01/907190335/Ashley-s-story--Grief--rumors--family&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL             Interesting article.

Thank you for the link no rose. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 07:18:18 PM
::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


EXCLUSIVE: BILLINGS MURDERS MAY BE CONTRACT HIT
July 19 20092 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

EXCLUSIVE: BILLINGS MURDERS MAY BE CONTRACT HIT

Sources close to suspects and persons of interests in the Billings murders allege that Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. was paid to kill Byrd and Melanie Billings. They claim that the investigators have been told this and that the contract price was between $20,000-$50,000 and whatever Gonzalez and his accomplices could remove from the Billings residence.

Because of concerns over possible reprisals, my sources have asked to stay anonymous.

These sources also allege that Gonzalez and his team had been planning the hit for several months and much of the planning was done in the home of Pamela Wiggins, who has been charged with accessory after the fact. Wiggins has been released after posting a $10,000 bond.

According to my sources, there was an earlier attempt to invade the Billings home that was done after dark–which may have only been a “dry run.” However Gonzalez and his accomplices were frightened off by the outdoor lighting that was attached to motion sensors. The outdoor lights turned on when the vehicle went on the property and the would-be home invaders drove off. Allegedly Pamela Wiggins was parked on the street down from the Billings residence to watch this attempt.

The failed after-dark attempt explains why Gonzalez and crew invaded the Billings residence at 7 p.m. on Thursday, July 9 before sunset.

The motive for the hit on Byrd and Melanie Billings appears to be connected to Byrd Billings’ financing of used car lots in the area, according to my sources.

I have been unable to reach the State Attorney to discuss this report. I did speak with Escambia County Sheriff’s Office and they will not confirm or deny this information.



Thank you IM.  This sounds like more of a motive to me.  Not that I can imagine why a hit would be ordered for these people, but just that robbery doesn't make sense & for this many people to carry it out.  And I tend to believe Pam was more involved than just "after the fact".

(I'm having internet connection problems due to a storm, so don't know if this will post).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 07:22:18 PM
Still no luck with the Geraldo video.  But I did find this from Inside Edition. 

http://www.youtube.com/v/PMuo8xiGpI0&hl=en&fs=1

Thank You Cece. Maybe there will be a YouTube tomorrow of his show.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 07:25:29 PM
I do not know how long Sheriff Morgan has been sheriff of Escambia County. I am sure Island Monkey would know. However I have looked up his background. What Geraldo has up on the banner on his show was insulting. I guess there will now be another country in Florida that Geraldo will not be welcomed in.

Read Sheriff Morgan's background for yourself and see what you think.

http://www.escambiaso.com/aboutSheriff.aspx


November 2008............

I was thankful Whorealdo didn't show up, but would have preferred NO on from his show was here. Our sheriff was gracious in his comments about our servicemen (which includes my stepson), and I think he has done an incredible job and believe he is still playing a chess game, and has people or agencies all over Pamela Long Wiggins...

After that blog article, if true, means all the more that Pamela is deeply involved, maybe even the one who set it up. She may have the reasons for it. I have been reading up on Sheriff Morgan. I am even more impressed since I posted earlier. I wonder where she is at this time and who is watching her.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 07:31:00 PM
I do not know how long Sheriff Morgan has been sheriff of Escambia County. I am sure Island Monkey would know. However I have looked up his background. What Geraldo has up on the banner on his show was insulting. I guess there will now be another country in Florida that Geraldo will not be welcomed in.

Read Sheriff Morgan's background for yourself and see what you think.

http://www.escambiaso.com/aboutSheriff.aspx


November 2008............

I was thankful Whorealdo didn't show up, but would have preferred NO on from his show was here. Our sheriff was gracious in his comments about our servicemen (which includes my stepson), and I think he has done an incredible job and believe he is still playing a chess game, and has people or agencies all over Pamela Long Wiggins...

After that blog article, if true, means all the more that Pamela is deeply involved, maybe even the one who set it up. She may have the reasons for it. I have been reading up on Sheriff Morgan. I am even more impressed since I posted earlier. I wonder where she is at this time and who is watching her.

I agree Fanny Mae.  I would guess they are monitoring her closely.  At least I hope so.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 19, 2009, 07:33:08 PM
I'm off to read the article NoRose posted.  Enjoy your evening Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 07:35:04 PM
That Blog article cleared up something for me. I knew that the killings had occurred at 7:00, but I didn't understand whether it was am or pm. It was even more brazen to be in the evening before the children would be in bed in my mind, as if it could be any worse.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 19, 2009, 07:40:31 PM
I'm off to read the article NoRose posted.  Enjoy your evening Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night Cece.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I imagine Island is out on the beach watching the sunset. It is beautiful there, and the beaches are usually full of late evening strollers..... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 19, 2009, 09:04:53 PM
I'm off to read the article NoRose posted.  Enjoy your evening Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night Cece.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I imagine Island is out on the beach watching the sunset. It is beautiful there, and the beaches are usually full of late evening strollers..... ::MonkeyAngel::

LOL~How did you guess???? Yes, I was out as the Blues just buzzed us about 7pm, and the sunsets and the water this weekend were amazing, the gulf was like a pool.

FM~I am so impressed with our sheriff and him handling so far, I honestly believe PW is in this up to her eyeballs and "heard" around town that she was in on the dry run.....again all speculation even the "hit", but I've been hearing locally that it was a hit from early on.

I drove by the Soundview house and the condo.......nada.  ::MonkeyDevil:: I find myself looking for her at CVS, the grocery store or just any randon areas I go to daily, I just want to stay clear of that crazy woman.

Have any of you monkeys read Leonard P Gonzales myspace page about his daughter Bella.........OMG, he is nuts and if I was his ex-I'd have been much further away than Sarasota. I think he and PW are both the masterminds behind this.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 09:46:15 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did read Patrick Gonzalez's My Space. No wonder the family in Sarasota were terrified of him. He certainly seemed like a timebomb waiting to go off. It looks like he went off on the wrong family. I wonder if this was a hit, he felt he would finance his fight for his child...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 09:48:39 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did read Patrick Gonzalez's My Space. No wonder the family in Sarasota were terrified of him. He certainly seemed like a timebomb waiting to go off. It looks like he went off on the wrong family. I wonder if this was a hit, he felt he would finance his fight for his child...

Replying to my own post, but I am also wondering if he planned for this group to do the same to his ex & his ex-inlaws to retrieve his child...Ugh! I don't like where my thoughts are taking me this morning.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 10:13:07 AM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did read Patrick Gonzalez's My Space. No wonder the family in Sarasota were terrified of him. He certainly seemed like a timebomb waiting to go off. It looks like he went off on the wrong family. I wonder if this was a hit, he felt he would finance his fight for his child...

Replying to my own post, but I am also wondering if he planned for this group to do the same to his ex & his ex-inlaws to retrieve his child...Ugh! I don't like where my thoughts are taking me this morning.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't his MS terrifying  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: I swear if I was his ex, I'd have been out of the country hiding, all that talk about rewards for her and Bella being abducted and kidnapped when the Judge took away his rights ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 11:56:20 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/20/florida.slain.couple/index.html

snipped:


Morgan told CNN that he wants to talk to three more persons of interest and plans to make at least one more arrest before he winds down the investigation in a few days.He did not provide further details.

Morgan said that he expects to interview the wife of suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. on Monday. The woman, who had been out of contact, asked police for a meeting, he said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 12:22:52 PM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did read Patrick Gonzalez's My Space. No wonder the family in Sarasota were terrified of him. He certainly seemed like a timebomb waiting to go off. It looks like he went off on the wrong family. I wonder if this was a hit, he felt he would finance his fight for his child...

Replying to my own post, but I am also wondering if he planned for this group to do the same to his ex & his ex-inlaws to retrieve his child...Ugh! I don't like where my thoughts are taking me this morning.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't his MS terrifying  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: I swear if I was his ex, I'd have been out of the country hiding, all that talk about rewards for her and Bella being abducted and kidnapped when the Judge took away his rights ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes. It could have turned out like the case in Southern Tennessee and Huntsville, Alabama this weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 12:27:19 PM
::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/20/florida.slain.couple/index.html

snipped:


Morgan told CNN that he wants to talk to three more persons of interest and plans to make at least one more arrest before he winds down the investigation in a few days.He did not provide further details.

Morgan said that he expects to interview the wife of suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. on Monday. The woman, who had been out of contact, asked police for a meeting, he said.


 ::MonkeyEek::

Speaking of terrified, don't you know this woman is? If he was as violent as his MS showed him to be I'm sure her life with him was not pretty.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Needing 3 more suspects say to me that they are looking for the other driver, the security system no-show, and the person who set this all up. And for God's sake, put Pamela back in jail!!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 12:29:06 PM
ISLAND, I forgot to say, I love your avi.  ::MonkeyDance::

I loved the little feetprints,too.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 12:41:08 PM
ISLAND, I forgot to say, I love your avi.  ::MonkeyDance::

I loved the little feetprints,too.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Fanny~I had Eli's feet up there because last Friday was his original due date............  ::MonkeyAngel::



Just found this in the PNJ:

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720010

News alert: Billings backed Gonzalez business
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 20, 2009

  Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. said in an interview with investigators that he knew Byrd Billings because he received money to help him open a martial arts studio, according to documents released to the public today.



Investigators also were searching for a black briefcase that belonged to Byrd or Melanie Billings, along with the safe taken from their home. The safe was recovered last week at the home of Pamela Wiggins.


An affidavit for a search warrant on the red Dodge cargo van used in the deadly July 9 raid on the Billingses’ sprawling Beulah home revealed that investigators also were looking for zip ties, a 9 mm pistol and two “long guns,” one of them a shotgun.


The affidavit also reveals that the couple were found dead in their bedroom and that three armed men entered the home wearing masks.


A man named Jon Hartsfield saw in the Pensacola News Journal a picture of the large red van used in the robbery and homicides. The picture was taken from the security system at the Billingses’ home. Hartsfield called investigators and explained that he owned the van for several years before he sold it to Leonard Gonzalez Jr.’s birth mother, Terri Poff.


Hartsfield said that when he sold van, Poff told him that “she was buying the van for her son, Leonard Gonzalez, who had recently had his vehicle repossessed.”


Gonzalez Jr. used to go by the name Patrick Poff.


The van was found July 11 tucked behind a garage on the 300 Palm Court property of Gonzalez Jr.’s father, Leonard Gonzalez Sr.


Crime-scene investigators processed the van the same day, removing several carpet samples. The red van had several, distinctive markers, including four primer spots on the rear quarter panel.


Gonzalez Sr., in addition to two open counts of murder, is charged with tampering with evidence. It is said that he tried to paint over some of the distinctive markings that made the van more recognizable, according to arrest reports.


Disinfectant wipes, a container of garbage bags and soap pads were in the car, according to a property receipt.


Paint samples also were taken from the van for testing.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 12:42:13 PM
Good Morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I did read Patrick Gonzalez's My Space. No wonder the family in Sarasota were terrified of him. He certainly seemed like a timebomb waiting to go off. It looks like he went off on the wrong family. I wonder if this was a hit, he felt he would finance his fight for his child...

Replying to my own post, but I am also wondering if he planned for this group to do the same to his ex & his ex-inlaws to retrieve his child...Ugh! I don't like where my thoughts are taking me this morning.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Isn't his MS terrifying  ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: I swear if I was his ex, I'd have been out of the country hiding, all that talk about rewards for her and Bella being abducted and kidnapped when the Judge took away his rights ::MonkeyConfused::

Yes. It could have turned out like the case in Southern Tennessee and Huntsville, Alabama this weekend.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes I saw that on the news  ::MonkeyConfused:: IIRC, the killer was on the porch of one of the homes.......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 01:45:35 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720013

News alert: Coldiron got cold feet
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 20, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  Wayne Coldiron got cold feet.



In a statement made to investigators days after his arrest, double homicide suspect Coldiron, one of seven accused in the July 9 killings of Byrd and Melanie Billings said he had to be convinced to participate.


“You’re in too deep and you’ve got to go with us,” Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. told Coldiron.


According to Coldiron’s statement, Gonzalez Jr. came to his father Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr.’s Palm Court trailer in a maroon minivan. He came inside holding a duffle bag. Four black men entered the trailer a short time later.


They left the trailer. Their destination: The Billingses’ home in Beulah.


Coldiron told investigators that he was a passenger in the large red cargo van driven to the scene by Gonzalez Sr. A blue sport utility vehicle was also captured on surveillance footage from the Billingses’ home.


Gonzalez Sr. parked the van in the Billingses’ yard and waited in the car until the home invasion ended, according to the arrest report.


Coldiron already spent time in prison on a criminal negligent homicide conviction in Tennessee.






Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 20, 2009, 01:49:56 PM
Thank-you so much for all the updates.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 01:56:31 PM
Thank-you so much for all the updates.  ::MonkeyCool::

anytime NRCG~Just thread hopping today and watching the PNJ for any updates........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
Thank-you so much for all the updates.  ::MonkeyCool::

anytime NRCG~Just thread hopping today and watching the PNJ for any updates........

Thanks Island. I am thread hopping myself today. But I come back regularly here for updates....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 03:49:34 PM
ISLAND, I forgot to say, I love your avi.  ::MonkeyDance::

I loved the little feetprints,too.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Fanny~I had Eli's feet up there because last Friday was his original due date............  ::MonkeyAngel::


ISLAND,  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 03:54:15 PM
I felt from the first of this that the connection might have been the financial company that Billings owned. I also thought that the auto detailing company could have been a connection for the used car business.

I would be interested in the motive, and the missing briefcase certainly could be a big part of that. No matter what their motive, the Billings did not deserve to die in their own home. The inside alarm may not have been set at 7:00PM since he had probably just come home and there was probably some in and out with the kids. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:22:41 PM
I felt from the first of this that the connection might have been the financial company that Billings owned. I also thought that the auto detailing company could have been a connection for the used car business.

I would be interested in the motive, and the missing briefcase certainly could be a big part of that. No matter what their motive, the Billings did not deserve to die in their own home. The inside alarm may not have been set at 7:00PM since he had probably just come home and there was probably some in and out with the kids. JMO

I'm so curious to see what happens to Tabatha Gonzales after her interview, that and the missing suitcase have me on the edge of my seat....

Regarding the alarm, IIRC - they got up at 5:30 every morning and it was lights out at 7pm for the kids, and honestly I don't know anyone here that even has an active alarm system for burglary (after looking for homes here after moving from Memphis-I was shocked that not one condo or house that had one) ......I thought their alarm was to help them keep up with the kids since the accident a toddler had yrs ago, but I may be wrong.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:23:49 PM
ISLAND, I forgot to say, I love your avi.  ::MonkeyDance::

I loved the little feetprints,too.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Fanny~I had Eli's feet up there because last Friday was his original due date............  ::MonkeyAngel::


ISLAND,  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



Thannks Fanny......I still that little guy SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much  ::MonkeyWaa:: but I know he's an angel and will watch over us  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:28:26 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720018



News alert: Missing briefcase found
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 20, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A black briefcase, taken from Melanie and Byrd Billings the night they were shot to death, has been found by Escambia County investigators.



The case contained nothing of substantial value, Sheriff David Morgan said during an interview today.


"Everyone is looking for that $200,000 or kilo of cocaine," Morgan said. "It's just not there."





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:30:35 PM
Another arrest expected
July 20, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said this afternoon he expects an additional arrest this week in the case surrounding the deaths of Melanie and Byrd Billings.



Morgan said the arrest likely would come after investigators interview three "persons of interest" in the case.


Eight people -- six men, a teenage boy and a woman -- have been charged in connection to the Billingses death July 9.


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720020



 ::MonkeyTongue:: Sorry if I have already posted this exact link........getting hard to keep up with them all at this point ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 20, 2009, 04:58:35 PM
Good afternoon monkeys & Thank you for the latest updates.  Looks like investigators are moving fast & doing a fine job at putting this together.  Good Work!


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720023


An Air Force staff sergeant charged in connection with the Billings slayings will remain in an Alabama jail without bond while Florida officials prepare the paperwork needed to return him to their state.

Escambia County, Ala., Circuit Judge Bert Rice ruled at a hearing this afternoon in Brewton, Ala., that Donald Stallworth, 28, will be held without bond, giving Florida officials time to finish preparing an extradition warrant to send to the Governor of Alabama.


Rice explained that the hearing today’s hearing was a probably cause hearing -- not an extradition hearing. Rice said the hearing was for Florida authorities to determine if Stallworth was the same person charged in the documents, that he probably committed a crime in Florida and that he fled from justice.


Stallworth was present in court this afternoon but made no comment. He is charged with two open counts of murder in the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings in the two-story, nine-bedroom Beulah home on July 9.


Escambia County Sheriff’s investigator Terry Hardy testified today at the hearing. He told the court that fellow suspect Wayne Thomas Coldiron identified Stallworth as one of the five men who went into the Billingses home about 7 p.m.


Hardy said that Coldiron said Stallworth was armed when he entered the home. Hardy said Coldiron said that he was not with Stallworth for a period of time in the house.


When defense attorney David White asked Hardy if Coldiron saw the shooting, Hardy replied that Coldiron said he heard the shots, but did not see them.


Coldiron also faces two open counts of murder in connection with the killings of the couple, well-known in the community for adopting special needs children.


Nine of the couple’s 13 children were home at the time but were unhurt


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 20, 2009, 04:59:11 PM
Search warrant released
in murder case
Updated: Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 3:40 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 3:39 PM CDT

Christina Leavenworth
Liz Nelson
PENSACOLA, Fla. - It's been a question that people have been asking for a long time. How did the accused ring leader, Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., know the Billings?

Documents came out Monday that show they must have known each other well. Gonzalez, Jr. told deputies in an interview that Byrd Billings gave him money to start his business teaching children martial arts. Click here to read the search warrant.


http://media2.fox10tv.com/searchwarrant.pdf

The warrant says, "Gonzalez reported knowing the victims and having received financial support in the past for his opening of a martial arts studio."

Gonzalez's wife, Tabatha Gonzalez, who helped run the martial arts business, spoke to investigators Monday. So far, she hasn't been charged.

Deputies are still searching for at least two more persons of interest, in an attempt to figure out who was supposed to turn off the Billing's surveillance system. The warrant shows what deputies saw in some of that surveillance video.

It states, "All three suspects were armed and wearing masks, two carrying long guns, one possibly being a pump shotgun and a third carrying a handgun."

The affidavit also says the Billings were shot several times in their bedroom.

The document also says investigators were also trying to find a black briefcase that was taken from the Billings home. Investigators were also looking for zip ties, which may indicate the couple was tied up.

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Search_Warrant_Released_In_Murder_Case




Stallworth to be
extradited to Fla.
Updated: Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 3:35 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 20 Jul 2009, 3:27 PM CDT

Liz Nelson
BREWTON, Ala. - An Escambia County, Alabama judge has found enough evidence to order the extradition of Donnie Stallworth to Florida. Stallworth is one of eight suspects arrested in connection with the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The couple was found shot to death in their Escambia County, Florida home earlier this month.

On Monday, the judge gave the state 24 days to send Stallworth to Florida. Stallworth is facing murder and home invasion charges. Florida Governor Charlie Crist must now send a letter to Alabama Governor Bob Riley requesting Stallworth's extradition.

In other new developments, during Monday's testimony, an Escambia County, Florida investigator said Wayne Coldiron, one of the murder suspects, named all the suspects involved in the crime during an interrogation.

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Stallworth_To_Be_Extradicted_To_Fla


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 06:32:32 PM
On HLN, it was reported that the van may have been bought for Gonzalez Jr by his mother to replace a repossessed car. They are speculating that the car was repoed by Billings' finance company. (?)
Weird...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 20, 2009, 06:44:06 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090720/NEWS01/90720018



News alert: Missing briefcase found
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 20, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A black briefcase, taken from Melanie and Byrd Billings the night they were shot to death, has been found by Escambia County investigators.



The case contained nothing of substantial value, Sheriff David Morgan said during an interview today.


"Everyone is looking for that $200,000 or kilo of cocaine," Morgan said. "It's just not there."





Interesting. I wonder where it was found. Although I like Sheriff Morgan, I think that was a silly statement. If there had been $200,000 or a kilo of cocaine in the briefcase when it was taken, it would be long gone by now. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 09:10:55 AM
I had an off the top of my head thought this morning. I am wondering now if this killing was really a dry run in Gonzalez,Jr's mind, to help finance the real assault down in Sarasota to get his child back.  I have never heard whether the family down in Sarasota are well off, and Gonzalez Jr maybe felt they would get more money down there, besides the child. Reading his MySpace, it was like he was obcessed by these grandparents and ex-wife and his child. Why did he go off in another direction at that point in time? Was this just going to be the beginning?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 09:26:08 AM
I had an off the top of my head thought this morning. I am wondering now if this killing was really a dry run in Gonzalez,Jr's mind, to help finance the real assault down in Sarasota to get his child back.  I have never heard whether the family down in Sarasota are well off, and Gonzalez Jr maybe felt they would get more money down there, besides the child. Reading his MySpace, it was like he was obcessed by these grandparents and ex-wife and his child. Why did he go off in another direction at that point in time? Was this just going to be the beginning?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Very possible~I have never seen that type of obsession before, llike I said I'd have left the country if I was his ex, he kept rambling about Bella being abducted and kidnapped and offering rewards ::MonkeyRoll:: Maybe he was going to use the money from the hit to try and finance his quest in the court system. One thing for sure, he had delusions of grandeur to the nth degree and is a sociopath no doubt. A man in my office went to school with him and told me he would dress like a ninja for school ::MonkeyEek::       HELLO~maybe he should have shed the ninja outfit that he is famous for wearing and gone for the cowboy/indian costumes ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 09:32:26 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/21/florida.slain.couple/


Suspects cased Florida couple's home before slayingStory Highlights
Bizarre docs show dad tried to copyright children's names

Cops: Murder organizer knew victims, received financial support from them

Sheriff says one more arrest expected in killings of Byrd and Melissa Billings

Couple who adopted special needs children fatally shot July 9

updated 4:01 a.m. EDT, Tue July 21, 2009Next Article in Crime »

 Read VIDEODOCUMENTS
     
PENSACOLA, Florida (CNN) -- Suspects in the slaying of a Florida couple known for adopting special-needs children cased the victims' home about a month before storming the residence, authorities said.

 
Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, is one of seven people charged with murder in the July 9 killings.

 1 of 2  The information was one of many new revelations released Monday about the July 9 murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings of Beulah, Florida.

Also a man police believe organized the slaying of the couple told authorities he knew the victims and received financial support from them for a martial arts studio that he ran, according to court documents.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, is one of seven people charged with murder in connection with the couple's death. An affidavit for a search warrant for Gonzalez's van noted the connection between him and the couple, but gave no other details.

"My understanding is, through speaking with the investigative agencies, that Mr. Gonzalez sought donations from a variety of community and business leaders and that perhaps Mr. Billings did not lend him money, but donated to this academy for children," Crystal Spencer, attorney for the Billings family, told CNN Monday.

"It was a defense academy -- a self-defense academy for children. But the connection goes no further that we are aware of."

The Billingses were fatally shot during a home invasion robbery, police have said.

Gonzalez told police he owns a red Dodge cargo van similar to the one seen on surveillance video leaving the Billingses' home on the day of the slayings. But he said it was not in operating condition, according to the affidavit.

After a picture of the van seen at the crime scene was released to the media, a man contacted police to tell them it resembled a van he owned for a number of years and had recently sold to a woman named Terri Poff, the affidavit said.

Poff told the man she was buying the van for her son, Leonard Gonzalez, according to the affidavit.  Watch recap of the case and links between suspects »

Police previously have said robbery was a motive, but not the only motive.

 
Police hope interviews will shed light on couple's killing
Gun used in killing may be found, authorities say
Asked Monday whether the slayings could have been a contracted hit, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan told CNN, "This gets back to motive and we want to assure the public that we haven't taken that or anything off the table. We're looking for any reason, any motive for this to have happened, so yes, we are looking at a hit as a motive."

Morgan told CNN that he wanted to talk to as many as nine more people and planned to make at least one more arrest before he winds down the investigation in a few days.The Billingses had adopted 13 children, and each had two biological children. Police have said nine of the children were home at the time of the home invasion; one of them managed to flee and seek help at a neighbor's home.

Ashley Markham, one of the adult children from Melanie Billings' previous marriage, told CNN she plans to move into the couple's home and take care of the children.

"That decision was a request of my mother's. ... And we're going to honor her wishes and just do everything that she would have done," Markham said.

She added that the children are doing "as good as they can be.

"Children are very resilient. They have been very well occupied and are enjoying getting back into a routine."

Additional documents released Monday from the Florida Department of Children and Families show a bizarre attempt by Byrd Billings to copyright the children's names and request money from the department for their use.

A department attorney, Katie George, told the Pensacola News-Journal that every time the agency sent Billings a letter referencing the children by name, he would reply with an invoice demanding millions in copyright infringement. In one document released by the department, he demands $10 million in silver or federal reserve notes of equal value.

In a sharply worded letter of December 2005, another department attorney, Richard Cserep, wrote to Billings, "you reference a wide variety of law in connection with this claim" for damages.

"This includes copyright violations, trademark violations, contract violations, admiralty and maritime law, libel and the Truth in Lending Act," the letter said. "At no time in any of your correspondence have you made a plain demand for damages under a clear and cognizable theory of liability."

A handwritten note on the letter says that no further correspondence was received from Billings after that letter.

A safe containing prescription medication, family documents and some jewelry was taken from the Billings home at the time of their slayings, authorities said. It was found in the backyard of Pamela Wiggins, an eighth suspect, who is charged with being an accessory after the fact. Wiggins is free on $10,000 bond.

Morgan said when the safe was found, it was buried with bricks on top in "an obvious attempt to conceal" it. Wiggins is a friend and landlord of one of the suspects. Attempts by CNN to reach her and her attorney have been unsuccessful.  Watch lawyer reveal contents of safe »

Investigators also found a black briefcase taken from the Billings' home by one of the suspects, Morgan said.

One of the seven original suspects in the case, Donald Ray Stallworth, was arrested in Alabama. At a hearing Monday, a judge withdrew an earlier $1 million bond and ordered Stallworth held without bail until Alabama Gov. Bob Riley signs an order to extradite him to Florida.


Surveillance video from the home shows two vehicles pulling up to the property and five masked people dressed in black entering the house. Authorities believe both drivers remained in the vehicles.

It appears the suspects did not believe they were under surveillance, Morgan said. The system, which was not disabled, was a "gaping hole" in a well-executed crime, he said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
I had an off the top of my head thought this morning. I am wondering now if this killing was really a dry run in Gonzalez,Jr's mind, to help finance the real assault down in Sarasota to get his child back.  I have never heard whether the family down in Sarasota are well off, and Gonzalez Jr maybe felt they would get more money down there, besides the child. Reading his MySpace, it was like he was obcessed by these grandparents and ex-wife and his child. Why did he go off in another direction at that point in time? Was this just going to be the beginning?  ::MonkeyConfused::
[/quote/

Fanny, I don't think he really wanted his child in Sarasota, he just enjoyed causing trouble for
his ex and her family.  When he had court ordered visitation, he never showed up.

On Good Morning America they interviewed a DEA agent, who was not on this case.
He said that in order for the local authorities to be able to call in the DEA, a large
quantity of drugs has got to be found.  Then he verified that the DEA has been called
in to the Billings case.

Also....Anderson Cooper 360 had a copy of the search warrant from Escambia County on his site last night.  It had
a lot of information....but Island had already brought us most of it. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 10:00:08 AM
So sorry, Fanny.  I didn't mean to invade your post.

Fanny, I don't think he really wanted his child in Sarasota, he just enjoyed causing trouble for
his ex and her family.  When he had court ordered visitation, he never showed up.

On Good Morning America they interviewed a DEA agent, who was not on this case.
He said that in order for the local authorities to be able to call in the DEA, a large
quantity of drugs has got to be found.  Then he verified that the DEA has been called
in to the Billings case.

Also....Anderson Cooper 360 had a copy of the search warrant from Escambia County on his site last night.  It had
a lot of information....but Island had already brought us most of it.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 10:36:17 AM
Another possible connection with LPG jr & Billings-LPG jr workled for Tice ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


Tice-Billings business relationship
July 21 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

According to the Crystal Spencer, the attorney for the Billings children, there was a business relationship between the Billingses and Tices.

“I spoke with Ashley (Markham) and this is what we know,” Spencer says. “Markham Auto financed the floor plans of Henry Cabell Tice’s auto dealership. Worldco Financial Services financed the purchases of Tice’s customers.”

Spencer would not comment on whether Tice owned the Billinges or their businesses any money.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 11:55:34 AM
So sorry, Fanny.  I didn't mean to invade your post.

Fanny, I don't think he really wanted his child in Sarasota, he just enjoyed causing trouble for
his ex and her family.  When he had court ordered visitation, he never showed up.

On Good Morning America they interviewed a DEA agent, who was not on this case.
He said that in order for the local authorities to be able to call in the DEA, a large
quantity of drugs has got to be found.  Then he verified that the DEA has been called
in to the Billings case.

Also....Anderson Cooper 360 had a copy of the search warrant from Escambia County on his site last night.  It had
a lot of information....but Island had already brought us most of it.  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyAngel::

I just got the feel of him on that my space, and from reading how he would show up down in Sarasota at the door demanding to see his daughter, even when he didn't come when he was allowed. He wanted to control things, and made threats. He used supposed e-mails from prominant people in Sarasota to help terrify them. People that had no idea he was using them or their names. I think he was quite intent of getting his daughter by whatever means, and meant to terrify the family. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 11:59:36 AM
Another possible connection with LPG jr & Billings-LPG jr workled for Tice ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


Tice-Billings business relationship
July 21 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

According to the Crystal Spencer, the attorney for the Billings children, there was a business relationship between the Billingses and Tices.

“I spoke with Ashley (Markham) and this is what we know,” Spencer says. “Markham Auto financed the floor plans of Henry Cabell Tice’s auto dealership. Worldco Financial Services financed the purchases of Tice’s customers.”

Spencer would not comment on whether Tice owned the Billinges or their businesses any money.


The past two post you have made have got my red alarm bell ringing at full tilt. The people you are metioning are "old" Mobile names. People of great wealth for generations.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 12:02:58 PM
So sorry, Fanny.  I didn't mean to invade your post.

Fanny, I don't think he really wanted his child in Sarasota, he just enjoyed causing trouble for
his ex and her family.  When he had court ordered visitation, he never showed up.

On Good Morning America they interviewed a DEA agent, who was not on this case.
He said that in order for the local authorities to be able to call in the DEA, a large
quantity of drugs has got to be found.  Then he verified that the DEA has been called
in to the Billings case.

Also....Anderson Cooper 360 had a copy of the search warrant from Escambia County on his site last night.  It had
a lot of information....but Island had already brought us most of it.  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyAngel::

I just got the feel of him on that my space, and from reading how he would show up down in Sarasota at the door demanding to see his daughter, even when he didn't come when he was allowed. He wanted to control things, and made threats. He used supposed e-mails from prominant people in Sarasota to help terrify them. People that had no idea he was using them or their names. I think he was quite intent of getting his daughter by whatever means, and meant to terrify the family. JMO

ITA~Manipulative control freak, obsesses IMO with making sure Bella's mom and her parents were targets by offering rewards for her return  ::MonkeyConfused:: seriously he ranted on and on about her being kidnapped/abducted when in reality he lost his rights (and thank God for that), as he sure came across as a ticking time bomb and I know Bella's family can rest easier now knowing that POS will never see the light of day again. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 12:10:16 PM
Another possible connection with LPG jr & Billings-LPG jr workled for Tice ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


Tice-Billings business relationship
July 21 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

According to the Crystal Spencer, the attorney for the Billings children, there was a business relationship between the Billingses and Tices.

“I spoke with Ashley (Markham) and this is what we know,” Spencer says. “Markham Auto financed the floor plans of Henry Cabell Tice’s auto dealership. Worldco Financial Services financed the purchases of Tice’s customers.”

Spencer would not comment on whether Tice owned the Billinges or their businesses any money.


The past two post you have made have got my red alarm bell ringing at full tilt. The people you are metioning are "old" Mobile names. People of great wealth for generations.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Well, pls share as I am pretty unfamiliar with Mobile, really Pensacola too as I have only lived here about 16 months ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 01:08:20 PM
Another possible connection with LPG jr & Billings-LPG jr workled for Tice ::MonkeyTongue::

http://ricksblog.biz/


Tice-Billings business relationship
July 21 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

According to the Crystal Spencer, the attorney for the Billings children, there was a business relationship between the Billingses and Tices.

“I spoke with Ashley (Markham) and this is what we know,” Spencer says. “Markham Auto financed the floor plans of Henry Cabell Tice’s auto dealership. Worldco Financial Services financed the purchases of Tice’s customers.”

Spencer would not comment on whether Tice owned the Billinges or their businesses any money.


The past two post you have made have got my red alarm bell ringing at full tilt. The people you are metioning are "old" Mobile names. People of great wealth for generations.  ::MonkeyTongue::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Well, pls share as I am pretty unfamiliar with Mobile, really Pensacola too as I have only lived here about 16 months ::MonkeyTongue::

Well, you are better at searching these things out. The Tice name is very prominate in what I call old Mobile. There were several family's that controlled, the banking, shipping, construction, even sugar refineries. The families have intermarried, and you can tell by the first names as they take grandfathers, uncles , aunts, grandmothers first names. The family names almost roll into each other.

I have a good idea who Henry Cabell Tice was named for. I'm am digging back in my memory bank. Most have moved long ago to Baldwin County, due to the criminal element in Mobile, but they always had summer homes there anyway and would commute to their offices in the safety of the large downtown business. I did not know the tentacles had reached P'cola, but I would say by looking at the area busineess they have. I see an engineering company and a bank or two.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 01:22:23 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/

News alert: Gonzalez Jr. was sole shooter
July 21, 2009

  Murder suspect Fredrick Thornton said Leonard "Pat" Gonzalez Jr. was the organizer and "only shooter form the incident."



Thornton was interviewed by Escambia Inv. Leonard "Lee" Tyree II, an affidavit for a search warrant said.


The affidavit also said fellow suspect Wayne Coldiron admitted he was involved in the home invasion. He said he want to a Gulf Breeze residence where several firearms and ammunition used in the homicide were kept. He also said there was a woman named Pam at the residence. She is the same woman who drove a maroon minivan to and from the scene.


The woman mentioned is believed to be Pamela Wiggins, who is charged with accessory after the fact in the couple's death. She is the only suspect free on bail.


Details will be posted as they become available.


For complete coverage, see Wednesday's editions of the Pensacola News Journal.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 01:28:16 PM
I still think that Pamela Wiggins will be the person that has ties to the reasons the Billings were killed. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
I still think that Pamela Wiggins will be the person that has ties to the reasons the Billings were killed. JMO

I do too.  I think that she masterminded the whole thing, but let Gongalez think he was doing
the thinking. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 01:40:51 PM
I still think that Pamela Wiggins will be the person that has ties to the reasons the Billings were killed. JMO

OR ties to the person who wanted the Billings murdered........I found this photo on LPG Jr's myspace that was uploaded from a mobile connection 2 days before the murders........looks like the inside of a yacht to me.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Update on last post............


News alert: Gonzalez Jr. was sole shooter
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 21, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. was the lone shooter in the deadly Byrd and Melanie Billings home invasion, a suspect in the case told investigators.



In a search warrant released today, suspect Frederick Thornton told investigators that after the July robbery of the Beulah home, he and the other men met at a Gulf Breeze antique mall with a white female, later identified as Pamela Wiggins.


“The white female whom he could only advise being a blond haired white lady was in the company of ‘Pat’ who had been the organizer of the robbery and the only shooter from the incident,” Thornton said, according to the search warrant affidavit.


Investigators identified Gonzalez Jr. as Pat. He is also known as Patrick Poff, a name taken from his stepfather when his mother remarried.


Wiggins owned the Magnolia Antique Mall in the 4300 block of Gulf Breeze Highway.
Investigators executed a search warrant at Wiggins’ home in the 1200 block of Ramblewood Drive.


During an interview, Wiggins denied any involvement with the home invasion and homicide, but said that her friend “Patrick Gonzalez Jr.” had a key to her home and permission to come and go as he pleased.


Wiggins was charged with accessory after the fact and is accused of helping transport the guns and a safe after the incident. She was taken by authorities from her yacht in Orange Beach, Ala. days after the incident.


She is the only suspect free on bail. Her bond was set at $10,000.


After the shooting and robbery, Thornton said the items taken from the home were loaded into a large Dodge cargo van driven by Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr. All of the men got in the van and drove to an unknown location up the road from the home, he said according to the search warrant.


The safe — which contained nothing of value, investigators said — was transported into the small red minivan parked at the side of the road, Thornton said, according to court documents.


Wayne Coldiron — another suspect — told investigators during an interview that woman named “Pam” drove a maroon minivan.


Thornton said that got into a blue sport utility vehicle driven by suspect Gary Sumner. They drove to the Gulf Breeze antique mall to meet up again.


A search of a red 1982 Dodge minivan uncovered $1,115 in cash from a purse, cell phones, a pill bottle with 39 identified pills and a pair of blue jeans with a suspected blood stain, the search warrant revealed.


Details will be posted as they become available.


For complete coverage, see Wednesday's editions of the Pensacola News Journal.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 02:11:44 PM
Isand, can you find out what Honduran Wood is? What kind of business? Import maybe?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 02:12:54 PM
Isand, can you find out what Honduran Wood is? What kind of business? Import maybe?

Replying to my own post. I know it's mahogany wood. I have a reason for where I am going here.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 02:21:20 PM
I read a couple of days ago that Caldiron stated that on the day of the murders,
 the older Gonzalez drove the larger van and that Pam woman drove the smaller
 van and parked down the road.  Both drivers stayed in the vehicles.

Caldiron did two years in a TN prison for beating a man to death.  The charges
were reduced (because the man did not die for several days) to negligent homicide.
It was a fist fight.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 02:23:56 PM
Isand, can you find out what Honduran Wood is? What kind of business? Import maybe?

Replying to my own post. I know it's mahogany wood. I have a reason for where I am going here.

Is that the business transferred from Melanie Billings to Pam Tice?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 03:06:44 PM
I read a couple of days ago that Caldiron stated that on the day of the murders,
 the older Gonzalez drove the larger van and that Pam woman drove the smaller
 van and parked down the road.  Both drivers stayed in the vehicles.

Caldiron did two years in a TN prison for beating a man to death.  The charges
were reduced (because the man did not die for several days) to negligent homicide.
It was a fist fight.

Another good reason for Pamela to be back in jail.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And two years doesn't seem very long for beating someone to death with their fists.  It is maddening to see people that should have been in jail and stayed in jail. Why is it a lesser crime because the man suffered more for a few more days...That makes no sense to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 03:17:05 PM
ISLAND, I think that addy is going to be 23 MARSH Point, Gulf Shores, off Ft. Morgan Rd.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 03:42:08 PM
ISLAND, I think that addy is going to be 23 MARSH Point, Gulf Shores, off Ft. Morgan Rd.

This is what I come up with~looks like a residence, but I was looking for Honduras Woods in P-Cola......let me dig some more.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 03:52:03 PM
I read a couple of days ago that Caldiron stated that on the day of the murders,
 the older Gonzalez drove the larger van and that Pam woman drove the smaller
 van and parked down the road.  Both drivers stayed in the vehicles.

Caldiron did two years in a TN prison for beating a man to death.  The charges
were reduced (because the man did not die for several days) to negligent homicide.
It was a fist fight.

Another good reason for Pamela to be back in jail.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

And two years doesn't seem very long for beating someone to death with their fists.  It is maddening to see people that should have been in jail and stayed in jail. Why is it a lesser crime because the man suffered more for a few more days...That makes no sense to me.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Well, the way I read about Caldiron.... He and the other man got into a fist fight,
the police came and broke up the fight.  The police asked the other man if he wanted to go to the hospital.
The man said no, just take me home.  So the police took him home.  A few hours later he went to the hospotal emergengy room.  They transferred him to a larger hospital immediately and he died there a few days later. The police report said that the man did not appear seriously injured.  So  they charged Caldiron with involuntary manslaughter.

I think Caldiron is talking like a magpie.  He wanted out of this caper and Gongalez would not let him quit.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 03:56:35 PM

This for Henry C Tice:

http://arc-sos.state.al.us/cgi/uccdetail.mbr/detail?ucc=1998-03088&page=name

UCC Details
UCC Filing   1998-03088
Filing Type Business
Total Pages 3
Original Filing Date/Time 1-22-1998     3:33 PM
Status Active
Expiration Date 1-22-2013
 


Financing Statement
Filing Date/Time 1-22-1998     3:33 PM
Pages Filed 1
Debtor Information IMPORT SPECIALIST
165 BAY VIE DR
DAPHNE, AL 36526 
Debtor Information TICE HENRY C
165 BAY VIE DR
DAPHNE, AL 36526 
Secured Party Information AUTOMOTIVE FINANCE CORP
310 E 96TH ST STE 300
INDIANAPOLIS, IN 46240 
   


Continuation
Filing Date/Time 12-5-2002     5:00 PM
Pages Filed 1
   


Continuation
Filing Date/Time 8-2-2007     3:34 PM
Pages Filed 1
   


     


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
Carbucks is one of those car title loan places, isn't it?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 04:05:06 PM
Isand, can you find out what Honduran Wood is? What kind of business? Import maybe?

Replying to my own post. I know it's mahogany wood. I have a reason for where I am going here.

Is that the business transferred from Melanie Billings to Pam Tice?

I'm sorry,  Magnolia, I missed your post. I understood the company transfered was BBB Automotive.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Carbucks is one of those car title loan places, isn't it?

I had to look it up in Greenville, SC and yes:

Car Title Loans – Online Car Title Loan for Quick Cash Auto Loans  Carbucks can serve your Car Title Loan and Car Title Pawn needs at our local ... SC office conveniently located to Charlotte, NC; Greenville, SC office ...
www.carbuckscorp.com/ - Cached - Similar -
Apply Online for CarBucks Auto ...
A Cash Advance on Your Car Equity
Contact Us CarBucks No Credit Check ...
Terms of Use
How to Get a Fast Used Car ...
More results from carbuckscorp.com »


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 04:28:11 PM
Island, I think I found that she is a realtor for Remax in Al. I'll have to go back and look. I think I know her maiden name too. Just trying to pin it down.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 05:18:58 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 05:22:04 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 05:42:27 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



It seems from the financing of the floor plans  for the Hondaland dearlership and financing of the cars being sold.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 05:49:29 PM
I still think that Pamela Wiggins will be the person that has ties to the reasons the Billings were killed. JMO

OR ties to the person who wanted the Billings murdered........I found this photo on LPG Jr's myspace that was uploaded from a mobile connection 2 days before the murders........looks like the inside of a yacht to me.

It looks like the same to us. My son has worked and been around many boats. We both agree.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 06:39:09 PM
I still think that Pamela Wiggins will be the person that has ties to the reasons the Billings were killed. JMO

OR ties to the person who wanted the Billings murdered........I found this photo on LPG Jr's myspace that was uploaded from a mobile connection 2 days before the murders........looks like the inside of a yacht to me.

It looks like the same to us. My son has worked and been around many boats. We both agree.  ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyEek:: Weird timing that LPG jr uploaded it don't ya think ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 06:41:09 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 06:46:23 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

It's about 57 miles north of Buelah, over the Florida line and north of Flomaton. Not much cooking there, definitely not beach. Poss it's a hunting camp property. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 06:54:42 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

It's about 57 miles north of Buelah, over the Florida line and north of Flomaton. Not much cooking there, definitely not beach. Poss it's a hunting camp property. JMO

OK~That makes sense.....everyone I know here and from outside of Memphis has a place or two for where they hunt, and if he's old money I can see that.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 21, 2009, 07:00:18 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

Brewton, AL is more to the north of Orange Beach closer to I65.  I remember that exit from I65.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:04:29 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::

Local news just reported that one of the Billings was zip-tied but want say which one AND that now they don't believe that there will be another arrest ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Atty Jim Jenkins spoke with local news about LPG jr and said he hired LPG jr to build a case against someone........WTF?????????? More at 10 pm news.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 21, 2009, 07:06:23 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

It's about 57 miles north of Buelah, over the Florida line and north of Flomaton. Not much cooking there, definitely not beach. Poss it's a hunting camp property. JMO

There is nothing in Brewton or Flomaton except Indian gambling places and nudie bars.  That is all the signs say for the exits.  My husband always wanted to stop at the gambling places (yea, right) but I didn't like the looks of the places.  Wonder if there is connection to the Indian owned casino's.  I remember hearing of problems with them last year.  Or even the nudie bars there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:10:46 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

It's about 57 miles north of Buelah, over the Florida line and north of Flomaton. Not much cooking there, definitely not beach. Poss it's a hunting camp property. JMO

There is nothing in Brewton or Flomaton except Indian gambling places and nudie bars.  That is all the signs say for the exits.  My husband always wanted to stop at the gambling places (yea, right) but I didn't like the looks of the places.  Wonder if there is connection to the Indian owned casino's.  I remember hearing of problems with them last year.  Or even the nudie bars there.

Apparantly there are hunting camps there:

Thursday, February 7, 2008
Shocking non-fiction book about Brewton murder

I came across this today on the Brewton Standard message board. It looks like a good read. Here is the excerpt that the publicist is putting everywhere:


Murder Creek: The "Unfortunate Incident" That Befell Annie Jean Barnes
ISBN: 9781579660734
Publisher: River City Publishing

In this intense true story, Joe Formichella examines all aspects of the unsolved crime that inspired Suzanne Hudson's critically acclaimed 2004 novel In a Temple of Trees. When Annie Jean Barnes died one evening in 1966 outside an exclusive hunting camp retreat near small-town Brewton, Alabama, it seemed all the wealthy town fathers were culpable. But at the behest of those who were likely responsible, the crime was swept under the rug and details ignored by investigators. The publication of Hudson's novel, however, brought the ghost of Annie Jean back to life. Joe Formichella, in classic investigative style, reopens the case and questions a multitude of crime experts, law enforcement officers, and citizens alike--including many who, so it was said, would never speak about the "unfortunate incident" of Annie Jean's death. A gripping tale of how the upper class often gets its way through violence and coercion.


It's being distributed everywhere, so you can go to any of your favorite bookstores i.e. Amazon, Barnes and Noble etc. and order it.


http://alabamaconfidential.blogspot.com/2008/02/shocking-non-fiction-book-about-brewton.html


I've never been there so I'll dig a bit more........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:12:27 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

Brewton, AL is more to the north of Orange Beach closer to I65.  I remember that exit from I65.

You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 21, 2009, 07:19:56 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.

Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

Brewton, AL is more to the north of Orange Beach closer to I65.  I remember that exit from I65.

You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:20:38 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=120+e.+main,+pensacola,+fl&daddr=brewton,+al&hl=en&gl=us&mra=ls&sll=31.159934,-87.051201&sspn=0.067865,0.143166&g=brewton,+al&ie=UTF8&ll=30.538608,-87.352295&spn=1.092868,4.372559&t=h&z=8



Map from P-cola to Brewton, AL


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 21, 2009, 07:20:56 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.

Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

Brewton, AL is more to the north of Orange Beach closer to I65.  I remember that exit from I65.

You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.

You would think I would know better by now.


You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:21:02 PM
::MonkeyWaa::

Local news just reported that one of the Billings was zip-tied but want say which one AND that now they don't believe that there will be another arrest ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Atty Jim Jenkins spoke with local news about LPG jr and said he hired LPG jr to build a case against someone........WTF?????????? More at 10 pm news.

I'm not familiar with Jenkins, but we did hear something about Gonzalez Jr earlier depo where he was saying he had to think like a criminal to do the job he does. I think that was with Jenkins.IIRC


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 21, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 21, 2009, 07:25:06 PM
Good evening monkeys.  Thank you for all the updates & links.  I'll have to go back to catch up.  (I've been in computer hell today).

I just had to stop & laugh at Jane Weintraub on JVM tonight saying her theory was that the Billings were in the witness protection & someone found out.  LOL!!!  She is over the top.

Also, I did hear a guy reporting that they had the murders on tape.  Did anyone else hear that?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:25:49 PM
::MonkeyWaa::

Local news just reported that one of the Billings was zip-tied but want say which one AND that now they don't believe that there will be another arrest ::MonkeyConfused::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Atty Jim Jenkins spoke with local news about LPG jr and said he hired LPG jr to build a case against someone........WTF?????????? More at 10 pm news.

I'm not familiar with Jenkins, but we did hear something about Gonzalez Jr earlier depo where he was saying he had to think like a criminal to do the job he does. I think that was with Jenkins.IIRC


Same one ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:28:27 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


I'll have to ask around as I have only lived here for 16 months and have yet to leave Santa Rosa/Escambia county ::MonkeyHaHa::

I'll check into that aspect of it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
Tice connection? One yet-to-be-extradited suspect is from Brewton AL. Wiggins was picked up on her “yacht” in Gulf Shores. Tice has addresses in both those towns.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/henry-tice-111.html

How is Tice connected?



Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.

Wow!! Island, did you see this????

I did, but am clueless as to where Brewton is-or, if it's like Gulf Breeze, P-Cola and P-Cola Beach where people have homes in both places alot ::MonkeyConfused::

Brewton, AL is more to the north of Orange Beach closer to I65.  I remember that exit from I65.

You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.

You would think I would know better by now.


You are right, but US 29 goes straight out of P'cola.  Brewton is more south east of the exit as the crow flies.It is not right off I-65 although there is an exit there.. It's a good 30 miles or more from there.

Anyhow, I used to have relatives by an ex that lived there, and it has never been much but a small country town. I didn't even know they had gotten an casino there. And nude bars too?? They'll do anything to get the tourist to make that drive.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:30:22 PM
Good evening monkeys.  Thank you for all the updates & links.  I'll have to go back to catch up.  (I've been in computer hell today).

I just had to stop & laugh at Jane Weintraub on JVM tonight saying her theory was that the Billings were in the witness protection & someone found out.  LOL!!!  She is over the top.

Also, I did hear a guy reporting that they had the murders on tape.  Did anyone else hear that?

LMAO about the witness protection program  ::MonkeyDevil::

I DID hear sheriff Morgan state on the news that ALL of the crime was on video, so it will be much harder for LPG jr to explain (especially since he dressed like a ninja to go to school here)  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:35:04 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Fanny~what (general area) of the country are you in now and how long since you have been done this way?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:39:05 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Fanny~what (general area) of the country are you in now and how long since you have been done this way?

Ohio and about five years. Moved here when my sister was sick. She has since died.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:42:56 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Fanny~what (general area) of the country are you in now and how long since you have been done this way?

Ohio and about five years. Moved here when my sister was sick. She has since died.

Oh Fanny~I'm so sorry to hear that she passed.....but happy you were able to spend more time with her during that time.

Also, I bet you are ready for a visit??????????? Until then, enjoy this sunset from last fall


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:45:43 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Fanny~what (general area) of the country are you in now and how long since you have been done this way?

Ohio and about five years. Moved here when my sister was sick. She has since died.

Oh Fanny~I'm so sorry to hear that she passed.....but happy you were able to spend more time with her during that time.

Also, I bet you are ready for a visit??????????? Until then, enjoy this sunset from last fall

Oh Man!!! Just as beautiful as I remember.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes we are way overdue!

She died last year, and my son had already been in college here. So rather than transfer, we are staying here until he is done.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 07:45:54 PM
I have actually been to Brewton, Alabama. ::MonkeyCool::
It's a good ole boys' town.

It was many years ago.  I was visiting some old friends who were there with AT&T.
AT&T had a computer relay station there.  At that time the biggest thing in Brewton
was their TR Miller High School, which has produced a lot of good college players.

It is very close to the Florida line.....Santa Rosa county as I recall.
One of my friends' children went to school in Santa Rosa County and it was just a short drive.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:49:03 PM
I have actually been to Brewton, Alabama. ::MonkeyCool::
It's a good ole boys' town.

It was many years ago.  I was visiting some old friends who were there with AT&T.
AT&T had a computer relay station there.  At that time the biggest thing in Brewton
was their TR Miller High School, which has produced a lot of good college players.

It is very close to the Florida line.....Santa Rosa county as I recall.
One of my friends' children went to school in Santa Rosa County and it was just a short drive.

Yes, I just googled Brewton, it is very close to the line. Weird how far down Santa Rosa County is as one of my kids goes to a Santa Rosa County school in Gulf Breeze proper and one to an Escambia County scholl here on the beach......weird how the lines of the counties intersect and cross over here  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:52:06 PM
Third time must be a charm (sorry):

Yea that is true but at the exit for both of those towns is where the gambling places and nuddie bars are.  Last year there was some problems with the Indian gaming centers and the bars also.  I always hated that stretch between Montgomery and Bay Minette. Just nothing there.


Oh, Ok!!! I gotcha now. I haven't been that way since we moved up here. Overdue for a trip back down there. And you are right, the most boring stretch in the world. I also though you might have gotten it mixed up with Evergreen exit. I'll take you word for it.  ::MonkeyWink::

Fanny~what (general area) of the country are you in now and how long since you have been done this way?

Ohio and about five years. Moved here when my sister was sick. She has since died.

Oh Fanny~I'm so sorry to hear that she passed.....but happy you were able to spend more time with her during that time.

Also, I bet you are ready for a visit??????????? Until then, enjoy this sunset from last fall

Oh Man!!! Just as beautiful as I remember.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Yes we are way overdue!

She died last year, and my son had already been in college here. So rather than transfer, we are staying here until he is done.

They are beautiful here  ::MonkeyAngel:: I've always said it's like angels are fingerpainting in the sky.

I have loads of photos on my myspace of the sunsets here and I hope you are able to come and enjoy them again soon.......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 07:57:39 PM
BBL~going for a bike ride ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 07:58:03 PM
There is a pdf link on this blog link. Very, very, interesting.

http://www.bradleyarant.com/publications_opinions.php?ID=3624

Info on Mr Henry Tice judgement about his business.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 08:04:31 PM
There is a pdf link on this blog link. Very, very, interesting.

http://www.bradleyarant.com/publications_opinions.php?ID=3624

Info on Mr Henry Tice judgement about his business.

Bradley/Arant is one of the biggest and most powerful law firms in Alabama.
I read the whole thing earlier and it sounds to me like Henry Tice got screwed.
The bank should have never cashed two year old checks.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
http://www.hancockbank.com/home/news_press/HB_NewBoardMembers.asp

Another link, and I wondered if he could be a relative.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 21, 2009, 08:13:15 PM
Sorry I'm so far behind.  I'll have to catch up tomorrow.  Enjoy your evening monkeys!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 21, 2009, 08:16:15 PM
Checking on Dan Jaquish, the guy who cashed the two year old checks from Tice leads
right back to Gary Smith Honda.



1-866-661-6120
5500 North “W” St, Pensacola, FL
5720 North “W” St., Pensacola, FL


Where The Action Is. . .
...just ask Skip, “Vice-President.” He’s usually there overseeing things, and often greeting customers at the door. When he’s not, he hangs with his best friend, Dan Jaquish, owner and buyer for First Choice Automotive. Dan, great nephew of General John Jaquish (Hurlburt Field), got into the automotive business after retiring from the
Navy. He began in sales and worked his way into wholesales. Five years ago, Dan
opened First Choice Automotive and, today, owns two lots in Pensacola.

First Choice Automotive specializes in offering high quality vehicles at low cost prices. Dan, bypassing wholesalers, handpicks every vehicle he sells and passes the savings to his customers. Every vehicle is backed with a free 3 month, 3000 mile warranty. Additional warranties, CarFaxes and financing options are also available.

Remember First Choice Automotive when purchasing your next vehicle. They carry a fine selection of vehicles and host a friendly and helpful staff. Just remember, when you talk to them to them...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:24:48 PM
Sorry I'm so far behind.  I'll have to catch up tomorrow.  Enjoy your evening monkeys!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Night Cece. Thanks for the pic.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:32:19 PM
http://www.carprice.com/used-cars/dealers/alabama/foley/bueno-bonito-brata-autos

Seems BBB is Interstate. Foley, Al


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
Checking on Dan Jaquish, the guy who cashed the two year old checks from Tice leads
right back to Gary Smith Honda.



1-866-661-6120
5500 North “W” St, Pensacola, FL
5720 North “W” St., Pensacola, FL


Where The Action Is. . .
...just ask Skip, “Vice-President.” He’s usually there overseeing things, and often greeting customers at the door. When he’s not, he hangs with his best friend, Dan Jaquish, owner and buyer for First Choice Automotive. Dan, great nephew of General John Jaquish (Hurlburt Field), got into the automotive business after retiring from the
Navy. He began in sales and worked his way into wholesales. Five years ago, Dan
opened First Choice Automotive and, today, owns two lots in Pensacola.

First Choice Automotive specializes in offering high quality vehicles at low cost prices. Dan, bypassing wholesalers, handpicks every vehicle he sells and passes the savings to his customers. Every vehicle is backed with a free 3 month, 3000 mile warranty. Additional warranties, CarFaxes and financing options are also available.

Remember First Choice Automotive when purchasing your next vehicle. They carry a fine selection of vehicles and host a friendly and helpful staff. Just remember, when you talk to them to them...

Is Gary Smith Honda the same as Hondaland?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:43:08 PM
http://www.corporationwiki.com/Florida/Pensacola/buenobonitobarato-autos-inc-4999573.aspx

More info on BBB.

When you come back Island, do you know if that ST MARY addy is commercial?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Commercial Property, zoned commercial.....whatever... ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 21, 2009, 08:48:10 PM
LOL! Bueno-Bonito-Barato = Good-Plenty-Cheap!!    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 21, 2009, 10:24:51 PM
Checking on Dan Jaquish, the guy who cashed the two year old checks from Tice leads
right back to Gary Smith Honda.



1-866-661-6120
5500 North “W” St, Pensacola, FL
5720 North “W” St., Pensacola, FL


Where The Action Is. . .
...just ask Skip, “Vice-President.” He’s usually there overseeing things, and often greeting customers at the door. When he’s not, he hangs with his best friend, Dan Jaquish, owner and buyer for First Choice Automotive. Dan, great nephew of General John Jaquish (Hurlburt Field), got into the automotive business after retiring from the
Navy. He began in sales and worked his way into wholesales. Five years ago, Dan
opened First Choice Automotive and, today, owns two lots in Pensacola.

First Choice Automotive specializes in offering high quality vehicles at low cost prices. Dan, bypassing wholesalers, handpicks every vehicle he sells and passes the savings to his customers. Every vehicle is backed with a free 3 month, 3000 mile warranty. Additional warranties, CarFaxes and financing options are also available.

Remember First Choice Automotive when purchasing your next vehicle. They carry a fine selection of vehicles and host a friendly and helpful staff. Just remember, when you talk to them to them...

Is Gary Smith Honda the same as Hondaland?

I don't think so, unless it's under another name......this one is inactive and I know this address (Tiger Point subdivision in Gulf Breeze)

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?action=DETFIL&inq_doc_number=P97000010563&inq_came_from=NAMFWD&cor_web_names_seq_number=0000&names_name_ind=N&names_cor_number=&names_name_seq=&names_name_ind=&names_comp_name=HONDALAND&names_filing_type=

Florida Profit Corporation 
HONDALAND USED CARS, INC.
Filing Information
Document Number P97000010563
FEI/EIN Number 593423378
Date Filed 01/30/1997
State FL
Status INACTIVE
Last Event ADMIN DISSOLUTION FOR REGISTERED AGENT
Event Date Filed 11/01/2000
Event Effective Date NONE
 
Principal Address
4180 MADURA ROAD
GULF BREEZE FL 32561 
Mailing Address
4180 MADURA ROAD
GULF BREEZE FL 32561 
Registered Agent Name & Address
None

FL US
Registered Agent Resigned: 07/21/2000
Officer/Director Detail
Name & Address
Title P
WAYNE PETERSON
4180 MADURA RD
GULF BREEZE FL 32561 
Annual Reports
Report Year Filed Date
1998 02/20/1998
1999 03/04/1999
2000 03/03/2000
 
TH Duke is the registered agent in the PDF links


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 09:23:36 AM
http://ricksblog.biz/


More today
July 22 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

Working on three leads on the Billings murders. I hope to post something significant on the case later today.

Yesterday was our print day for the newspaper so I had to wear my publisher hat most of the day. The Thursday, July 23 issue has a solid cover story on the Billings case.

The phone rang off the hook yesterday. I was interviewed, really it was more of an ambush, by Jonathan Hunt for Shepard Smith’s show on Fox News. Hunt went after the validity and reliability of my sources for the murder-for-hire post. I must have handled it better than he expected, because they decided not to run the interview….or I was just that bad of an interview. The networks don’t like being scooped by a small town newspaper publisher.

The Contract Killing report made most of the national news shows. The Daily Beast – for which I also wrote an article on this – got credit for breaking the story in some of the telecasts. Watching the shows, I was amazed at how wrong many of the “talking heads” are about this story. Some are just making up stuff that has little basis in fact.

As with so many posts on this blog, other news tips have come in and I’m pursuing those. The Daily Beast has asked for articles, too. The Contract Killing story attracted readers to their site.

I did have a person contact me who said that he could get me on Nancy Grace. I turned it down.   ::MonkeyDevil:: Smart man!!!!!!!!




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: melisb on July 22, 2009, 09:41:53 AM
IM, I asked you a question about where to read up on this tragedy on another post.  I followed you to here so you don't have to answer it.  This site about them is kinda hidden, difficult for us computer stupid to find!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:45:21 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guests.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I read quite a bit last night after logging off. I have a feeling this is not going to be such a cut and dry case.

I have not had time to read up on the Escambia County DA yet. Why does he seem to have his foot on the head of the Sheriff? At times Morgan seems to want to explode with some details, but he keeps saying the DA wants to stick to the one theory of home invasion for now. I know that the DA wants to protect the case and use one theory. As we have seen some other prominent names coming into the picture, I am hoping it is not to protect some of them. Stranger things have happened. Not really knowing the political atmosphere in Escambia and Santa Rosa right now, it is hard to say. jmo


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:51:50 AM
ISLAND, I see the addy for Peterson is a residential addy, also the one for BBB Autos was a St Mary's address that look residential to me. I wonder why they would have residences as business address instead of the place of businesses?? I understand maybe mailing addys to their homes for certain documents, but it seems there would have been business addys on them. Is that making any sense to you?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:54:11 AM
Another question is the Hondaland Dealership still opened, and who runs it now??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 09:55:59 AM
IM, I asked you a question about where to read up on this tragedy on another post.  I followed you to here so you don't have to answer it.  This site about them is kinda hidden, difficult for us computer stupid to find!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: Oh crap~Sorry I missed it! You can read at northescambia.com, Pensacola News Journal and Ricks' blog..........that along with local news updates is where I get my info, although I heard about the hit last week from a local, IIRC I posted that Wednesday...don't worry, I am computer stupid myself!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 09:59:38 AM
Good Morning Monkeys and Guests.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I read quite a bit last night after logging off. I have a feeling this is not going to be such a cut and dry case.

I have not had time to read up on the Escambia County DA yet. Why does he seem to have his foot on the head of the Sheriff? At times Morgan seems to want to explode with some details, but he keeps saying the DA wants to stick to the one theory of home invasion for now. I know that the DA wants to protect the case and use one theory. As we have seen some other prominent names coming into the picture, I am hoping it is not to protect some of them. Stranger things have happened. Not really knowing the political atmosphere in Escambia and Santa Rosa right now, it is hard to say. jmo

I've noticed that also.......I hope it's to protect the integrity of the case, but have no clue as to the political atmosphere around here being so new to the area.

I'll have to check on the Hondaland dealership and get back to you.........BRB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 10:03:09 AM
Another question is the Hondaland Dealership still opened, and who runs it now??

I don't see it anymore ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 10:16:02 AM
Another question is the Hondaland Dealership still opened, and who runs it now??

I don't see it anymore ::MonkeyTongue::

What about the two addy's for Gary Smith Honda's that Magnolia post#386 gave on "W" St?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 10:26:57 AM
Another question is the Hondaland Dealership still opened, and who runs it now??

I don't see it anymore ::MonkeyTongue::

What about the two addy's for Gary Smith Honda's that Magnolia post#386 gave on "W" St?

I see this dealership on Miracle Strip Pkwy in Ft. Walton Beach......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 10:42:06 AM
I found this PDF agreeement between William Eddins and the State. It expired June,2009.  I assume he has renewed the contract, but I have not found it.

I am still looking into his background.

http://myfloridalegal.com/occ.nsf/wf/sdon772s53/$file/R0301.pdf


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 10:59:57 AM
I found this PDF agreeement between William Eddins and the State. It expired June,2009.  I assume he has renewed the contract, but I have not found it.

I am still looking into his background.

http://myfloridalegal.com/occ.nsf/wf/sdon772s53/$file/R0301.pdf

Hmmm-that is interesting, I'll dig a bit myself!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 11:12:46 AM
I found this PDF agreeement between William Eddins and the State. It expired June,2009.  I assume he has renewed the contract, but I have not found it.

I am still looking into his background.

http://myfloridalegal.com/occ.nsf/wf/sdon772s53/$file/R0301.pdf

Hmmm-that is interesting, I'll dig a bit myself!

All I have found so far is that he has been around since 1973 as a lawyer. Long timer can be a double edged sword.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 22, 2009, 01:02:58 PM
I want to thank you for all the updates, I'm reading, just don't have much to say on this case, everything is just so weird, and I think a big piece of the puzzle is missing.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 01:12:50 PM
I want to thank you for all the updates, I'm reading, just don't have much to say on this case, everything is just so weird, and I think a big piece of the puzzle is missing.  ::MonkeyConfused::

It is a lot to take in. It would help if there weren't so many people involved in this. So many people, so many motives, so much money. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 22, 2009, 02:19:47 PM
I want to thank you for all the updates, I'm reading, just don't have much to say on this case, everything is just so weird, and I think a big piece of the puzzle is missing.  ::MonkeyConfused::

It is a lot to take in. It would help if there weren't so many people involved in this. So many people, so many motives, so much money. ::MonkeyConfused::
Very difficult and it looks like more people are also involved.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: GRAPEAPE on July 22, 2009, 02:52:30 PM

I think we will find out this was not a simple robbery.  All those people involved and a practice run, before the actual.  Something more were not seeing.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 03:34:42 PM

I think we will find out this was not a simple robbery.  All those people involved and a practice run, before the actual.  Something more were not seeing.

Since it seems they were intent on killing both of them, it sure makes you wonder. If it had something to do with Mr Billings' businesses, it would have been easier to kill him somewhere else, and not in his home.  The end of his secluded driveway would work, for instance.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 22, 2009, 03:51:41 PM
I hope this isn't a repeat:

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090722/NEWS01/90722014

Spencer: Billings donated to Gonzalez

PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) — A slain Florida couple once made a small donation to a martial arts program run by one of the men accused of killing them, a family attorney said Wednesday.

Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death earlier this month during a break-in at their home west of Pensacola. The couple were known for adopting 13 children with special needs.


One of the suspects in the slaying, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., told investigators he had opened a martial arts studio with financial help from the victims, according to court records released this week.


But family attorney Crystal Spencer told reporters Wednesday that the aid was just a small donation by Byrd, probably less than $1,000, to a self-defense program Gonzalez ran.


“He made a donation in a nominal amount,” Spencer said at a news conference. “That would not have been out of his character.”

The court records were the first indication that Byrd, 66, and Melanie, 43, had financial ties with any of the suspects. The Billingses, who also had four children from previous marriages, were killed July 9 in their sprawling home by masked men — some dressed as ninjas.

(cont.)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 22, 2009, 03:57:09 PM

I think we will find out this was not a simple robbery.  All those people involved and a practice run, before the actual.  Something more were not seeing.

I agree GRAPEAPE.  You wouldn't think they would need that many people to carry out a home invasion robbery.

And Welcome GRAPEAPE!

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/14.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 22, 2009, 04:06:02 PM
http://pnj.com/article/20090722/NEWS01/907220337/-1/special

'My child is a victim'
Teen suspect's father says his son not 'an evil person"

FORT WALTON BEACH — The father of a 16-year-old charged in the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings says his son would not have knowingly participated in a murder.

"I know, in my heart, my child does not have the type of mentality to do anything like that, knowingly," said Rakeem Chaney Florence's father, Randell Florence. "The hoopla about this child being a murderer and an evil person — he's not."

The younger Florence is one of seven accused of going to the Billings home in Beulah on July 9. They're all charged with open counts of murder.

He said it would be easy for the older suspects "to manipulate a child's mind."

"If he was there, he didn't know what was going on until it was too late," the father said.

He said his son planned to attend vocational school to study auto mechanics.

Now, he's being held in the Juvenile Detention Center in Pensacola. His father has not seen him since July 14, the night he was arrested.

"I regret anything that has happened to the Billingses, and my sympathy goes out to them," Florence said. "I feel like my child is a victim, too, as far as being subjected to this type of crime, if he was involved in it. He wouldn't have committed this type of crime. Someone had to have coerced him into doing whatever he was doing, if he was doing anything."

The teen's connection to three other suspects appears to be through the Fifth Dimension auto detailing shop on Duval Street in Fort Walton Beach.

Rakeem Florence was familiar with the shop because his girlfriend and 10-month-old baby live on Duval Street, the father said. The teen had been working at the shop, doing sanding work, for less than two weeks at the time of the murders, he said.

Among those also charged are:

• Gary Lamont Sumner, who ran the shop.

n Frederick Lee Thornton Jr., who lives across the street from the shop.

• Donnie Ray Stallworth, a U.S. Air Force staff sergeant who was based at Hurlburt Field and was seen by a nearby business owner at the shop.

Barry Whitman, who owns American Paints in the same complex as Fifth Dimension, said he has seen Rakeem Florence, Thornton and Stallworth at the shop.

(2 of 2)


Fifth Dimension opened on Duval Street in March 2005, according to Okaloosa County business tax records. The owners are listed as Billy Sumner and Gary Breedlove.



Whitman referred to Gary Sumner as the owner. It's not clear whether Gary and Billy are the same person.

"I was the one who found him that shop," said Whitman, who has run his paint shop in the complex for eight years. "He had a shop across town. He came over here to buy supplies and stuff."

Sumner is single and has a girlfriend, according to Whitman.

"Gary was very personable, outgoing, friendly. He had a lot of customers, a lot of friends. He was a customer of mine for about four years," he said.

"Gary was busy all the time. He had a good clientele. He always had a nice ride, a nice vehicle. The way the shop was run and the way he conducted himself, he sure didn't act like he was hurting for money."

Signs for the shop came down late last week, and most customer vehicles have been removed. But Whitman said he still sees work going on there after hours.

Two people answered the door at the Duval Street address listed on Thornton's arrest report, but both declined to comment. However, nearby neighbors and friends said Thornton grew up on Duval Street.

"He's like my brother," said Elijah Robinson, 20, who lives three doors down from Thornton. "Freddie was getting his life together. We were about to go to school. We had registered for classes and everything."

Robinson still plans to go to Okaloosa Applied Technology Center this fall and hopes Thornton will be able to join him soon.

"I'm doing it for him. That's something we both really wanted, to go to school and open our own plumbing business," Robinson said. "When he comes home, we're going to have this business together. Ain't nothing changed. I still love him."




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 22, 2009, 04:21:42 PM
Gary Sumner operated an automotive detail shop called "5th Dimension" on Duval Street in Fort Walton Beach.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/5THdIMENSION.jpg)

link to images:

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090721&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907210802&Ref=PH


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 22, 2009, 04:28:37 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9676

NEW TODAY: Billings Donated To Gonzalez Jr; Attorney Won’t Confirm $100,000 In Second Safe
July 22, 2009
The Billings family attorney held a press conference this afternoon, fielding questions about safe supposedly containing $100,000 in the Billings home at the time of their murders.

Billings family attorney Crystal Spencer would not confirm or deny that there was a second safe in the Beulah home.  CNN has reported their sources as saying there was about $100,000 in the safe.

“There was nothing illegal in that home in any location that has been found by any investigative agency,” Spencer said.

“The Billings family wants to put these things to rest so that they can begin to grieve,” she said.

She would not comment about the guilt or innocence of any of the suspects that have been arrested in the murders.

She said daughter Ashley Markham has worked in the family auto businesses for about 12 years and there was no business conducted or loan to Leonard Gonzalez Jr.

Spencer said Byrd Billings contributed a “nominal” amount that she believed to be less than $1,000 to Gonzalez Jr.’s Project Fight Back karate program or some other martial arts project. She said it was not out of character for Billings to donate money to many groups.

“We have not been informed of an imminent or additional arrest,” she said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 04:39:38 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9676

NEW TODAY: Billings Donated To Gonzalez Jr; Attorney Won’t Confirm $100,000 In Second Safe
July 22, 2009
The Billings family attorney held a press conference this afternoon, fielding questions about safe supposedly containing $100,000 in the Billings home at the time of their murders.

Billings family attorney Crystal Spencer would not confirm or deny that there was a second safe in the Beulah home.  CNN has reported their sources as saying there was about $100,000 in the safe.

“There was nothing illegal in that home in any location that has been found by any investigative agency,” Spencer said.

“The Billings family wants to put these things to rest so that they can begin to grieve,” she said.

She would not comment about the guilt or innocence of any of the suspects that have been arrested in the murders.

She said daughter Ashley Markham has worked in the family auto businesses for about 12 years and there was no business conducted or loan to Leonard Gonzalez Jr.

Spencer said Byrd Billings contributed a “nominal” amount that she believed to be less than $1,000 to Gonzalez Jr.’s Project Fight Back karate program or some other martial arts project. She said it was not out of character for Billings to donate money to many groups.

“We have not been informed of an imminent or additional arrest,” she said.


I just heard this on HLN about the safe. They are saying that the intruders wanted to get into the safe but they were unsucessful.  No link avail for this.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 04:49:05 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Local News set up outside my office window:

Ok, so I went out to ask WTH was going on and was told it was re: Billings case and the connections to 8 and contents of safe,..............BRB ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 04:58:46 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Local News set up outside my office window:

Ok, so I went out to ask WTH was going on and was told it was re: Billings case and the connections to 8 and contents of safe,..............BRB ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 05:19:29 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

Local News set up outside my office window:

Ok, so I went out to ask WTH was going on and was told it was re: Billings case and the connections to 8 and contents of safe,..............BRB ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Wow that was boring.....my office is right behind the Pensacola Cultural Center and I looked out the window and saw the WEAR truck, apparantly Crystal Spencer had a press conference earlier (which was very delayed) about the contents of the safe, and she's disputing the 100m amount , also the news guy told me CNN was here earlier today (guess I was snoozing  ::MonkeyConfused:: ). Anyway, they found the connection to Gonzales, Jr the same way we are researching-thru sunbiz.org and rumors here are rampant about a safe in the floor that had 100m in it.....time will tell ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 22, 2009, 05:22:29 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 05:24:41 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?

Rumor is 100m ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 05:35:25 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?

Rumor is 100m ::MonkeyTongue::

Island is it 100 milllion or 100 thousand?
100 thousand isn't enough for 8 people to share and take this chance....100 million is another story.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 05:46:31 PM
Interesting Document:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=29346966


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 05:55:07 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?

Rumor is 100m ::MonkeyTongue::

Island is it 100 milllion or 100 thousand?
100 thousand isn't enough for 8 people to share and take this chance....100 million is another story.

100 thousand~sorry, m = 1,000 in my business, and I agree 100m isn't enough......but this LPG is a true pyscopath and I can see how he could have been offered 20m-50m for a hit and to fulfill his crazy desire to be some bad @ss ninja nut and overkill of the planning seems to fit his mentality to a T ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 22, 2009, 05:57:45 PM
Interesting Document:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=29346966

Interesting...............

I talked to a sales manager today located in South Florida about this murder.  He says speculation is it was a hit by a very very bad group.  He said in Florida they have at least 3 main "BAD" groups.  One is mafia, 2nd is a gang (can't remember who he said it was) and 3rd is a Columbian drug gang.  He said anyone of them would be bad news for you if they had anything against you.  He said with the number of people involved in this he would venture to guess this would be mafia involved. He said he would do some asking around and see what he comes up with.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 06:02:08 PM
Interesting Document:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=29346966

Interesting...............

I talked to a sales manager today located in South Florida about this murder.  He says speculation is it was a hit by a very very bad group.  He said in Florida they have at least 3 main "BAD" groups.  One is mafia, 2nd is a gang (can't remember who he said it was) and 3rd is a Columbian drug gang.  He said anyone of them would be bad news for you if they had anything against you.  He said with the number of people involved in this he would venture to guess this would be mafia involved. He said he would do some asking around and see what he comes up with.

Thanks! I had been hearing it was a hit since last week, but would love to know what he finds out.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 06:13:47 PM
Interesting Document:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=29346966

Interesting...............

I talked to a sales manager today located in South Florida about this murder.  He says speculation is it was a hit by a very very bad group.  He said in Florida they have at least 3 main "BAD" groups.  One is mafia, 2nd is a gang (can't remember who he said it was) and 3rd is a Columbian drug gang.  He said anyone of them would be bad news for you if they had anything against you.  He said with the number of people involved in this he would venture to guess this would be mafia involved. He said he would do some asking around and see what he comes up with.

Not knowing for sure, but the gangs you are probaby talking about are the "Bloods/Crips" westcoast types that have infiltrated the country, and MS-13 is the Colombian one. Then the Mafia types. None of which you want to mess with. There is another one, the Russian Mafia, and I don't know if it has infiltrated the panhandle or not. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 06:17:29 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?

Rumor is 100m ::MonkeyTongue::

Island is it 100 milllion or 100 thousand?
100 thousand isn't enough for 8 people to share and take this chance....100 million is another story.

100 thousand~sorry, m = 1,000 in my business, and I agree 100m isn't enough......but this LPG is a true pyscopath and I can see how he could have been offered 20m-50m for a hit and to fulfill his crazy desire to be some bad @ss ninja nut and overkill of the planning seems to fit his mentality to a T ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just can't figure how Gonzalez managed to drag all of these people into his scheme.
 He must have offered a reward of huge proportions for their participation.
I still think that Pamela Wiggins was a co-conspirator


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 06:26:51 PM
That's interesting IM  ::MonkeyEek::  How much was in the other safe?

Rumor is 100m ::MonkeyTongue::

Island is it 100 milllion or 100 thousand?
100 thousand isn't enough for 8 people to share and take this chance....100 million is another story.

100 thousand~sorry, m = 1,000 in my business, and I agree 100m isn't enough......but this LPG is a true pyscopath and I can see how he could have been offered 20m-50m for a hit and to fulfill his crazy desire to be some bad @ss ninja nut and overkill of the planning seems to fit his mentality to a T ::MonkeyNoNo::

I just can't figure how Gonzalez managed to drag all of these people into his scheme.
 He must have offered a reward of huge proportions for their participation.
I still think that Pamela Wiggins was a co-conspirator

I think you are right about Pam being a co-conspirator, I think she was in on this early on........but I heard that the group of thugs Gonzales jr was able to help was promised whatever they could take from the home.....so, they probably thought they could get into that 2nd safe OR they didn't even know the second safe existed.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 06:43:27 PM
This from Rick's blog:

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
Last November, a man walked into Pen Air/Members First Credit Union in the Live Oak Village Shopping Center, Gulf Breeze. He is described as a white male in a black hood sweatshirt and wearing blue jeans, black or brown shoes, black gloves and carrying a gun. He looks to be in his late 20s to early 30s around 5’8” and weighing about 180 lbs. His face was covered so that just his eyes were showing.

After robbing the credit union, he is seen driving off in a large red SUV.

The newspaper article on the crime wrote “the robber apparently planned the heist meticulously and knew the lay of the land.”

Does this sound like anyone we know in the Billings murders? Does it sound like a Ninja robber?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 06:51:21 PM
This from Rick's blog:

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
Last November, a man walked into Pen Air/Members First Credit Union in the Live Oak Village Shopping Center, Gulf Breeze. He is described as a white male in a black hood sweatshirt and wearing blue jeans, black or brown shoes, black gloves and carrying a gun. He looks to be in his late 20s to early 30s around 5’8” and weighing about 180 lbs. His face was covered so that just his eyes were showing.

After robbing the credit union, he is seen driving off in a large red SUV.

The newspaper article on the crime wrote “the robber apparently planned the heist meticulously and knew the lay of the land.”

Does this sound like anyone we know in the Billings murders? Does it sound like a Ninja robber?


Sure does, Magnolia. I don't think this was his first rodeo.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 06:54:03 PM
MAGNOLIA, Do you know much about the State Attorney Bill Wiggins??  Would he have a dog in this fight?? He has been in the area a long time. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on July 22, 2009, 06:54:24 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 07:11:50 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182

Thank you, KC1234. And Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 07:24:03 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182

Thank you, KC1234. And Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  ::MonkeyWink::

A very interesting article. I do remember him from the King murders. Do you know how long he has been State Attorney for the 1st District?
I know he has been in the area for a very long time. I was just wondering why he is keeping Sheriff Morgan on such a tight leash and will only let him say it was a home invasion, when clearly, there seems to be another motive.

The quote box is easy. Just go up to the top of my post, and click on the "Quote" which will take you to the post page.  Scroll down past the last [/quote] and space down a couple of times to be sure, and make you post.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 08:19:53 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182

Thank you, KC1234. And Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  ::MonkeyWink::

A very interesting article. I do remember him from the King murders. Do you know how long he has been State Attorney for the 1st District?
I know he has been in the area for a very long time. I was just wondering why he is keeping Sheriff Morgan on such a tight leash and will only let him say it was a home invasion, when clearly, there seems to be another motive.

The quote box is easy. Just go up to the top of my post, and click on the "Quote" which will take you to the post page.  Scroll down past the last
and space down a couple of times to be sure, and make you post.  ::MonkeyWink::
[/quote]

FannyMae, this isn't an original thought....I read it somewhree the other day.
They are letting out as little information as possible to keep from jepordizing the case.
The DEA is involved, according to the DEA agent who was interviewed on ABC.

Now, my thought is that they say the safe and the briefcase only contained insignificant items,
I think that means that the culprits had removed other items prior to law enforcement's search.

Why would the Billinges have had $100,000 in the house?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 22, 2009, 08:55:24 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182

Thank you, KC1234. And Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  ::MonkeyWink::

A very interesting article. I do remember him from the King murders. Do you know how long he has been State Attorney for the 1st District?
I know he has been in the area for a very long time. I was just wondering why he is keeping Sheriff Morgan on such a tight leash and will only let him say it was a home invasion, when clearly, there seems to be another motive.

The quote box is easy. Just go up to the top of my post, and click on the "Quote" which will take you to the post page.  Scroll down past the last
and space down a couple of times to be sure, and make you post.  ::MonkeyWink::

FannyMae, this isn't an original thought....I read it somewhree the other day.
They are letting out as little information as possible to keep from jepordizing the case.
The DEA is involved, according to the DEA agent who was interviewed on ABC.

Now, my thought is that they say the safe and the briefcase only contained insignificant items,
I think that means that the culprits had removed other items prior to law enforcement's search.

Why would the Billinges have had $100,000 in the house?
[/quote]

Didn't the sheriff? make the statement when they found the safe that No they did not find the $200,000.  He was being facetious about that like he was poking fun at the people who were saying there was that amount of money in the safe.  Could he maybe have really been looking for $200,000 and didn't find it?  Just a thought.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:07:30 PM
Reply to Eddins Background.  I can't get the quote thingy working right...

I worked for Mr. Eddins many years ago when we was in private practice.  He was a well respected mediator and worked on several high profile cases (first abortion killing and the young kids who killed their father).  Here is an article that gives a little more detail.

http://www.inweekly.net/article.asp?artID=182

Thank you, KC1234. And Welcome to Scared Monkeys.  ::MonkeyWink::

A very interesting article. I do remember him from the King murders. Do you know how long he has been State Attorney for the 1st District?
I know he has been in the area for a very long time. I was just wondering why he is keeping Sheriff Morgan on such a tight leash and will only let him say it was a home invasion, when clearly, there seems to be another motive.

The quote box is easy. Just go up to the top of my post, and click on the "Quote" which will take you to the post page.  Scroll down past the last
and space down a couple of times to be sure, and make you post.  ::MonkeyWink::

FannyMae, this isn't an original thought....I read it somewhree the other day.
They are letting out as little information as possible to keep from jepordizing the case.
The DEA is involved, according to the DEA agent who was interviewed on ABC.

Now, my thought is that they say the safe and the briefcase only contained insignificant items,
I think that means that the culprits had removed other items prior to law enforcement's search.

Why would the Billinges have had $100,000 in the house?

Didn't the sheriff? make the statement when they found the safe that No they did not find the $200,000.  He was being facetious about that like he was poking fun at the people who were saying there was that amount of money in the safe.  Could he maybe have really been looking for $200,000 and didn't find it?  Just a thought.
[/quote]


I am trying to answer both of you with one post. I have been watching the Obama presser. I think that they had no way of really knowing what was in the first safe, because it had a keypad lock on it and they had no way of knowing if anything was removed from it or not. I thought that was a silly statement.

I am not surprised to find that there was another safe. The amount of money doesn't really surprise me because of the kinds of businesses he was in, and a lot of it is a cash thing. With the economic times, if I had a safe in the floor and I had that much money to put my hands on, I would have it a home with me and not in a bank. But that is just my view.

The DEA being involved may just be because of some of the perps dealings. I am not sure about that. The only thing that is confusing me is the deliberate killing of both of them. If they wanted to get inside the house and get to the safes, they could have come in the daytime just as easily when he was not home. They could have kill Byrd anywhere on his routes to and from work, or at his businesses. Someone wanted both of them dead. Why??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:10:03 PM
What has been revealed about this adult son?  Has he been heard from since the murder of his parents?  It appears that only an adult daughter is speaking on behalf of her parents.

I apologize if this has been previously discussed on this thread.

What I have read in media reports and heard on the news and talk show circuit ... I tend to believe the murders were a hit and ... a hit indicates that somebody had something to gain by the deaths of the Billings

IMO

Janet

+++++++

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:13:29 PM
Slain father of 17 served probation for adoption fraud
By Ben Montgomery, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, July 17, 2009


http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1019059.ece



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 22, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
What has been revealed about this adult son?  Has he been heard from since the murder of his parents?  It appears that only an adult daughter is speaking on behalf of her parents.

I apologize if this has been previously discussed on this thread.

What I have read in media reports and heard on the news and talk show circuit ... I tend to believe the murders were a hit and ... a hit indicates that somebody had something to gain by the deaths of the Billings

IMO

Janet

+++++++

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml



Janet, You are the best!
I didn't know about them sueing the son.

This is an interesting story!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:22:03 PM
Documents: Florida slaying victims knew suspect
updated 7:35 a.m. EDT, Mon July 20, 2009


Additional documents released Monday from the Florida Department of Children and Families show a bizarre attempt by Byrd Billings to copyright the children's names and request money from the department for their use.

A department attorney, Katie George, told the Pensacola News-Journal that every time the agency sent Billings a letter referencing the children by name, he would reply with an invoice demanding millions in copyright infringement. In one document released by the department, he demands $10 million in silver or federal reserve notes of equal value.

In a sharply worded letter of December 2005, another department attorney, Richard Cserep, wrote to Billings, "you reference a wide variety of law in connection with this claim" for damages. "This includes copyright violations, trademark violations, contract violations, admiralty and maritime law, libel and the Truth in Lending Act. At no time in any of your correspondence have you made a plain demand for damages under a clear and cognizable theory of liability."

A handwritten note on the letter says that no further correspondence was received from Billings after that letter.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/20/florida.slain.couple/index.html


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 22, 2009, 09:24:02 PM
Mixed Picture of Billings' Emerges in Fla. Double Murder Case
Robbers Allegedly Killed for Children's Medication, Family Documents and Some Jewelry
By LEE FERRAN and BILL McGUIRE
July 17, 2009


Together, they adopted 13 children with autism, Down Syndrome and other developmental disabilities and lived in a sprawling home west of Pensacola.

Interviews and court records obtained by the Associated Press also portray Byrd Billings as a former strip club owner-turned used car dealer who was once sentenced to probation for an adoption scam. He frequently crossed paths with "shady characters," according to an ex-wife, but police have offered no evidence linking his past to the murders of Billings and his wife.  

Known around Pensacola as "Bud," Byrd Billings spent his early years in Mississippi and Tennessee. He owned a car dealership in Mississippi in the 1980s, and incorporated a boat company in 1976. The corporation was dissolved in the 1980s. In divorce records from the dissolution of his second marriage, in 1993, Billings reported having a net worth of just $1,400, including total cash assets of $100 and a net monthly income of $1,190. Four months after the divorce, Melanie became his third wife.

At the time of their death, they were living in a $700,000 home - opulent by Pensacola standards - and associates say they employed several people to care for the children. But how they

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8110569&page=1


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 22, 2009, 09:35:52 PM
Above article additionally talks about how the Billings gave a voice to the children --
it's a good read in total.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:45:14 PM
Slain father of 17 served probation for adoption fraud
By Ben Montgomery, Times Staff Writer
In Print: Friday, July 17, 2009


http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1019059.ece



Yes, we talked about that earlier on the thread, and there are articles posted about it. The boy was eventually legally adopted by the Billings and he was at the funeral. He is 20 yrs old. There is a story Cece posted about him meeting his bio sister at the funeral.

I know Mr Billings had two bio children, and Mrs Billings had two. One recently died that had Cerebreal Palsy.The other runs the business and is going to take care of the rest of the children. I do not know anything about the two bio kids of his.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 22, 2009, 09:46:04 PM
Above article additionally talks about how the Billings gave a voice to the children --
it's a good read in total.

Yes, it did. It is good to see you, Sister.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 09:48:04 PM
Mixed Picture of Billings' Emerges in Fla. Double Murder Case
Robbers Allegedly Killed for Children's Medication, Family Documents and Some Jewelry
By LEE FERRAN and BILL McGUIRE
July 17, 2009


Together, they adopted 13 children with autism, Down Syndrome and other developmental disabilities and lived in a sprawling home west of Pensacola.

Interviews and court records obtained by the Associated Press also portray Byrd Billings as a former strip club owner-turned used car dealer who was once sentenced to probation for an adoption scam. He frequently crossed paths with "shady characters," according to an ex-wife, but police have offered no evidence linking his past to the murders of Billings and his wife.  

Known around Pensacola as "Bud," Byrd Billings spent his early years in Mississippi and Tennessee. He owned a car dealership in Mississippi in the 1980s, and incorporated a boat company in 1976. The corporation was dissolved in the 1980s. In divorce records from the dissolution of his second marriage, in 1993, Billings reported having a net worth of just $1,400, including total cash assets of $100 and a net monthly income of $1,190. Four months after the divorce, Melanie became his third wife.

At the time of their death, they were living in a $700,000 home - opulent by Pensacola standards - and associates say they employed several people to care for the children. But how they

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=8110569&page=1


Yes Janet~ we have discussed these earlier in the thread..........all of this is older news and we are eagerly awaiting any new tidbit of information, but it looks like the sheriff wants to say more, but can't now. It will all come on, way to much media heat down here to go away....earlier CNN was outide the office and I didn't even notice the, ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 22, 2009, 11:57:36 PM
I've been curious about the charge of accessory after the fact and Pam Wiggin's possible 30 yr sentence, so I looked thru the FL statutes and found this ODD wording and punishment guidelines:

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_Mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0777/Sec03.htm&StatuteYear=2004

 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 777
PRINCIPAL; ACCESSORY; ATTEMPT; SOLICITATION; CONSPIRACY View Entire Chapter
 
777.03  Accessory after the fact.--

(1)(a)  Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a felony or been accessory thereto before the fact, with intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b)  Any person, regardless of the relation to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.  
(2)(a)  If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.  
(b)  If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)  Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.

History.--s. 6, sub-ch. 11, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2356; GS 3180; RGS 5010; CGL 7112; s. 700, ch. 71-136; s. 65, ch. 74-383; s. 13, ch. 95-184; s. 16, ch. 97-194; s. 15, ch. 99-168.

Note.--Former s. 776.03.
 
 
 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 775
DEFINITIONS; GENERAL PENALTIES; REGISTRATION OF CRIMINALS View Entire Chapter
 
775.082  Penalties; applicability of sentencing structures; mandatory minimum sentences for certain reoffenders previously released from prison.--

(1)  A person who has been convicted of a capital felony shall be punished by death if the proceeding held to determine sentence according to the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 results in findings by the court that such person shall be punished by death, otherwise such person shall be punished by life imprisonment and shall be ineligible for parole.

(2)  In the event the death penalty in a capital felony is held to be unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Court, the court having jurisdiction over a person previously sentenced to death for a capital felony shall cause such person to be brought before the court, and the court shall sentence such person to life imprisonment as provided in subsection (1). No sentence of death shall be reduced as a result of a determination that a method of execution is held to be unconstitutional under the State Constitution or the Constitution of the United States.

(3)  A person who has been convicted of any other designated felony may be punished as follows:

(a)1.  For a life felony committed prior to October 1, 1983, by a term of imprisonment for life or for a term of years not less than 30.

2.  For a life felony committed on or after October 1, 1983, by a term of imprisonment for life or by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 40 years.

3.  For a life felony committed on or after July 1, 1995, by a term of imprisonment for life or by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment.

(b)  For a felony of the first degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 30 years or, when specifically provided by statute, by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment.

(c)  For a felony of the second degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 15 years.

(d)  For a felony of the third degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 5 years.

(4)  A person who has been convicted of a designated misdemeanor may be sentenced as follows:

(a)  For a misdemeanor of the first degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 1 year;

(b)  For a misdemeanor of the second degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 60 days.

(5)  Any person who has been convicted of a noncriminal violation may not be sentenced to a term of imprisonment nor to any other punishment more severe than a fine, forfeiture, or other civil penalty, except as provided in chapter 316 or by ordinance of any city or county.

(6)  Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter the operation of any statute of this state authorizing a trial court, in its discretion, to impose a sentence of imprisonment for an indeterminate period within minimum and maximum limits as provided by law, except as provided in subsection (1).

(7)  This section does not deprive the court of any authority conferred by law to decree a forfeiture of property, suspend or cancel a license, remove a person from office, or impose any other civil penalty. Such a judgment or order may be included in the sentence.

(8)(a)  The sentencing guidelines that were effective October 1, 1983, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1983, and before January 1, 1994, and to all felonies, except capital felonies and life felonies, committed before October 1, 1983, when the defendant affirmatively selects to be sentenced pursuant to such provisions.

(b)  The 1994 sentencing guidelines, that were effective January 1, 1994, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after January 1, 1994, and before October 1, 1995.

(c)  The 1995 sentencing guidelines that were effective October 1, 1995, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1995, and before October 1, 1998.

(d)  The Criminal Punishment Code applies to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1998. Any revision to the Criminal Punishment Code applies to sentencing for all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after the effective date of the revision.

(e)  Felonies, except capital felonies, with continuing dates of enterprise shall be sentenced under the sentencing guidelines or the Criminal Punishment Code in effect on the beginning date of the criminal activity.

(9)(a)1.  "Prison releasee reoffender" means any defendant who commits, or attempts to commit:

a.  Treason;

b.  Murder;

c.  Manslaughter;

d.  Sexual battery;

e.  Carjacking;

f.  Home-invasion robbery;

g.  Robbery;

h.  Arson;

i.  Kidnapping;

j.  Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon;

k.  Aggravated battery;

l.  Aggravated stalking;

m.  Aircraft piracy;

n.  Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb;

o.  Any felony that involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against an individual;

p.  Armed burglary;

q.  Burglary of a dwelling or burglary of an occupied structure; or

r.  Any felony violation of s. 790.07, s. 800.04, s. 827.03, or s. 827.071;

within 3 years after being released from a state correctional facility operated by the Department of Corrections or a private vendor or within 3 years after being released from a correctional institution of another state, the District of Columbia, the United States, any possession or territory of the United States, or any foreign jurisdiction, following incarceration for an offense for which the sentence is punishable by more than 1 year in this state.

2.  "Prison releasee reoffender" also means any defendant who commits or attempts to commit any offense listed in sub-subparagraphs (a)1.a.-r. while the defendant was serving a prison sentence or on escape status from a state correctional facility operated by the Department of Corrections or a private vendor or while the defendant was on escape status from a correctional institution of another state, the District of Columbia, the United States, any possession or territory of the United States, or any foreign jurisdiction, following incarceration for an offense for which the sentence is punishable by more than 1 year in this state.

3.  If the state attorney determines that a defendant is a prison releasee reoffender as defined in subparagraph 1., the state attorney may seek to have the court sentence the defendant as a prison releasee reoffender. Upon proof from the state attorney that establishes by a preponderance of the evidence that a defendant is a prison releasee reoffender as defined in this section, such defendant is not eligible for sentencing under the sentencing guidelines and must be sentenced as follows:

a.  For a felony punishable by life, by a term of imprisonment for life;

b.  For a felony of the first degree, by a term of imprisonment of 30 years;

c.  For a felony of the second degree, by a term of imprisonment of 15 years; and

d.  For a felony of the third degree, by a term of imprisonment of 5 years.

(b)  A person sentenced under paragraph (a) shall be released only by expiration of sentence and shall not be eligible for parole, control release, or any form of early release. Any person sentenced under paragraph (a) must serve 100 percent of the court-imposed sentence.

(c)  Nothing in this subsection shall prevent a court from imposing a greater sentence of incarceration as authorized by law, pursuant to s. 775.084 or any other provision of law.

(d)1.  It is the intent of the Legislature that offenders previously released from prison who meet the criteria in paragraph (a) be punished to the fullest extent of the law and as provided in this subsection, unless the state attorney determines that extenuating circumstances exist which preclude the just prosecution of the offender, including whether the victim recommends that the offender not be sentenced as provided in this subsection.

2.  For every case in which the offender meets the criteria in paragraph (a) and does not receive the mandatory minimum prison sentence, the state attorney must explain the sentencing deviation in writing and place such explanation in the case file maintained by the state attorney. On an annual basis, each state attorney shall submit copies of deviation memoranda regarding offenses committed on or after the effective date of this subsection, to the president of the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association, Inc. The association must maintain such information, and make such information available to the public upon request, for at least a 10-year period.

(10)  The purpose of this section is to provide uniform punishment for those crimes made punishable under this section and, to this end, a reference to this section constitutes a general reference under the doctrine of incorporation by reference.

History.--s. 3, ch. 71-136; ss. 1, 2, ch. 72-118; s. 2, ch. 72-724; s. 5, ch. 74-383; s. 1, ch. 77-174; s. 1, ch. 83-87; s. 1, ch. 94-228; s. 16, ch. 95-184; s. 4, ch. 95-294; s. 2, ch. 97-239; s. 2, ch. 98-3; s. 10, ch. 98-204; s. 2, ch. 99-188; s. 3, ch. 2000-246; s. 1, ch. 2001-239; s. 2, ch. 2002-70; ss. 1, 2, ch. 2002-211.
 
 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 12:16:32 AM
OK~I'm too tired to find the marriage license of Hugh and Pamela Wiggins.......but did find this and wondered IF it's the same Hugh Wiggins, and if it is look at the judge, it's the same as Pam Wiggins judge  ::MonkeyConfused::

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=62573865

Escambia County Florida Clerk of the Circuit Court
Courtviewer Records Search 
CASE 
Case Number  1994 CF 000955 A  Case Judge  C / NOBLES, LINDA   
Case Type  FELONY  File Date  02/25/1994 
Case Action Code   Case Status  CLOSED 
PARTIES 
Rcd  Party Type  Name  Race  Gender  D.O.B. / D.O.D. 
1  Defendant  WIGGINS, HUGH G    XRef-ID: 8019693  W  M  04/25/1961 
Address: 1510 WOODCHUCK AVENUE (Home Address on 10/18/2001)
Attorney: MCCLEARY   B 
 
PARTY CHARGE SUMMARY 
Rcd  Chg/
Cnt  Phase  Charge Description  Charge Disposition  Disposition Date 
1  1  Prosecutor  AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WO INTENT WITH FIREARM  NOLLE PROSEQUI  09/07/1994 
2  2  Court  BATTERY  PLED NOLO OR GUILTY  09/07/1994 
DISPOSITIONS 
Rcd  Status  Status Date  Disposition Code  Disp Date  Judge 
1  CLOSED  02/25/1994  REOPENED CASE - DISPOSED  08/24/1995  C / NOBLES , LINDA   
DOCKETS 
Rcd  Date  Description  Document Tag # 
1   02/25/1994    WARRANT NUMBER: 94S001748A   
2   02/25/1994    AFFIDAVIT FOR: AGGRAVATED ASSAULT & BATTERY, RET. 3-11-94   
3   02/25/1994    ORIGINAL ARREST DATE: 02231994   
4   02/28/1994    BOND FILED, RET: 3/11/94 (ROR-500-2/23/94)   
5   03/08/1994    INFORMATION AND DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF ALIBI FILED   
6   03/11/1994    JUDGE: KUDER   
7   03/11/1994    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: D. CLARK   
8   03/11/1994    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. ROLLO FOR B. MCCLEARY   
9   03/11/1994    PLED NOT GUILTY. SET FOR JURY TRIAL: 6-6-94, DD. 6-1-94   
10   03/11/1994    COURT REPORTER: DT   
11   03/18/1994    DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY FILED   
12   03/24/1994    RESPONSE TO NOTICE OF DISCOVERY   
13   06/01/1994    JUDGE: TARBUCK   
14   06/01/1994    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: G. MCKENZIE   
15   06/01/1994    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: B. MCCLEARY   
16   06/01/1994    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
17   06/01/1994    COURT REPORTER: CB   
18   06/01/1994    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 7-25-94, DD 7-20-94   
19   07/20/1994    JUDGE: TARBUCK   
20   07/20/1994    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: G. MCKENZIE   
21   07/20/1994    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: B. MCCLEARY   
22   07/20/1994    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
23   07/20/1994    COURT REPORTER: EU   
24   07/20/1994    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 9-12-94, DD 9-7-94   
25   09/07/1994    JUDGE: TARBUCK   
26   09/07/1994    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: G. MCKENZIE   
27   09/07/1994    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. ROLLO FOR B. MCCLEARY   
28   09/07/1994    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
29   09/07/1994    COURT REPORTER: GBD   
30   09/07/1994    NOL PROSSED: CT. 1   
31   09/07/1994    PLED GUILTY CT. 2   
32   09/07/1994    PLEA ACCEPTED   
33   09/07/1994    ADJUDGED GUILTY: CT. 2   
34   09/07/1994    PROBATION: 12 MONTHS   
35   09/07/1994    CONDITIONS: AS FOLLOWS   
36   09/07/1994    COURT COSTS: $165.00   
37   09/07/1994    COST OF SUPERVISION PER MONTH: $52.00   
38   09/07/1994    COMMUNITY SERVICE WORK: 50 HOURS   
39   09/07/1994    RECEIVE SUBSTANCE ABUSE EVALUATION, COUNSELING & TREATMENT   
40   09/07/1994    RECEIVE ANGER CONTROL COUNSELING   
41   09/07/1994    WRITTEN PLEA AGREEMENT FILED   
42   09/13/1994    FILE NOLLE PROSEQUI CT. 1, ONLY   
43   11/10/1994    PROBATION ORDER FILED   
44   08/24/1995    JUDGE: TARBUCK   
45   08/24/1995    FILE ORDER OF MODIFICATION OF PROBATION WAIVING DEFENDANT'S   
46   08/24/1995    COST OF SUPERVISION WHICH ENDS 090695   
47   08/29/1995    CASE REOPENED 082495   
EVENTS 
No Information available - See Dockets 
FINANCIAL SUMMARY 
No Information available - See Dockets 
RECEIPTS 
No Information available - See Dockets 
TICKLERS 
CITATIONS 
None 
ADDITIONAL CIVIL 
None 
CLAIMANTS 
None 
ADDITIONAL FIELDS 
Rcd  Field  Description 
1  BOND AMOUNT  000000500.00 
2  BOND/CUSTODY  RELEASED ON RECOGNIZANCE 
3  OLD CASE NUMBER  940955CFA4P 
CRIMINAL OBTS 
PARTY CHARGE SUMMARY 
Rcd  Chg/
Cnt  Phase  Charge Description  Charge Disposition  Disposition Date 
1  1  Prosecutor  AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WO INTENT WITH FIREARM  NOLLE PROSEQUI  09/07/1994 
2  2  Court  BATTERY  PLED NOLO OR GUILTY  09/07/1994 
CHARGE NUMBER 1 
BASIC PHASE - Charge 1 
OBTS Number  0006569671  Agency  Escambia County Sheriff's Office 
INITIAL PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Arrest  Offense Begin Dt  02/23/1994 
Charge/Count  1  Offense End Dt   
Action Code  784.021(1A)  Capias/Summons Issued  08/23/1994 
Level/Degree  Third Degree Felony  Arrest/Summons Served  02/23/1994 
F.S.S.  784.021(1a)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WO INTENT WITH FIREARM 
PROSECUTOR PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Same  Direct File   
Charge/Count  1  Prosecutor File Dt  03/08/1994 
Action Code  784.021(1A)  Final Decision Dt  09/07/1994 
Level/Degree  Third Degree Felony  Pros Final Action  NOLLE PROSEQUI 
F.S.S.  784.021(1a)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  AGGRAVATED ASSAULT WO INTENT WITH FIREARM 
COURT PHASE - Charge 1 
Charge Status   Final Plea / Date 
 
Charge/Count  1  Court Action / Date 
 
Action Code   Trial Type   
Level/Degree   Judge  C / NOBLES, LINDA   
F.S.S.   Offense Activity   
Gen Offense Char   Drug Type   
Charge Description   
POST SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 1 
REARREST PHASE - Charge 1 
SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 1 
CHARGE NUMBER 2 
BASIC PHASE - Charge 2 
OBTS Number  0006569671  Agency  Escambia County Sheriff's Office 
INITIAL PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Arrest  Offense Begin Dt  02/23/1994 
Charge/Count  2  Offense End Dt   
Action Code  784.03(1A2)  Capias/Summons Issued   
Level/Degree  Third Degree Felony  Arrest/Summons Served  02/23/1994 
F.S.S.  784.03(1a2)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  BATTERY 
PROSECUTOR PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Same  Direct File   
Charge/Count  2  Prosecutor File Dt  03/08/1994 
Action Code  784.03(1A2)  Final Decision Dt  03/08/1994 
Level/Degree  First Degree Misdemeanor  Pros Final Action  FILED 
F.S.S.  784.03(1a2)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  BATTERY 
COURT PHASE - Charge 2 
Charge Status  Same  Final Plea / Date  GUILTY
 
Charge/Count  2  Court Action / Date  GUILTY
09/07/1994 
Action Code  784.03(1A2)  Trial Type   
Level/Degree  First Degree Misdemeanor  Judge   
F.S.S.  784.03(1a2)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  BATTERY 
POST SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 2 
REARREST PHASE - Charge 2 
SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 2 
Miscellaneous Sentencing Options 
1  PERFORM COMMUNITY SERVICE WORK AS ORDERED BY COURT 
2  A - DUI School or Drug Rehab Program 
3  T - Other Court Restrictions Imposed 
Probation / Community Control 



http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml/xml.asp?ucase_id=41236799


Escambia County Florida Clerk of the Circuit Court
Courtviewer Records Search 
CASE 
Case Number  2002 MM 020244 A  Case Judge  I / WHITE, WILLIAM P 
Case Type  MISDEMEANOR  File Date  01/15/2002 
Case Action Code   Case Status  CLOSED 
PARTIES 
Rcd  Party Type  Name  Race  Gender  D.O.B. / D.O.D. 
1  Defendant  WIGGINS, HUGH GREGORY    XRef-ID: 21706906  W  M  04/25/1961 
Address: 1510 WOODCHUCK AV PENSACOLA, FL 32504 (Home Address on 05/16/2002)
Address: 1510 WOODCHUCK AVE PENSACOLA FL  32504  (Home Address on 04/04/2003)
Attorney: PITTS   M 
 
PARTY CHARGE SUMMARY 
Rcd  Chg/
Cnt  Phase  Charge Description  Charge Disposition  Disposition Date 
1  1  Prosecutor  DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS  NOLLE PROSEQUI  12/03/2002 
2  2  Court  RECKLESS DRIVING - REDUCED FROM D.U.I.  PLED NOLO OR GUILTY  12/09/2002 
DISPOSITIONS 
Rcd  Status  Status Date  Disposition Code  Disp Date  Judge 
1  CLOSED  01/15/2002  DISPOSED BY PLEA (GUILTY/NOLO) CRIMINAL  10/23/2007  I / WHITE , WILLIAM P 
DOCKETS 
Rcd  Date  Description  Document Tag # 
1   01/15/2002    ORIGINAL ARREST OR OFFENSE DATE: 01142002   
2   01/15/2002    APPLICATION FOR PD & FINANCIAL AFFIDAVIT FILED   
3   01/15/2002    AFFIDAVIT FILED   
4   01/15/2002    CASE SET FOR CALL: 01152002   
5   01/15/2002    CASE PLACED ON COURT DOCKET FOR: 01152002   
6   01/15/2002    DEFT. BONDED OUT   
7   01/15/2002    NEW CASE AFFIDAVIT PROCESSED   
8   01/16/2002     $1,000.00 PROF. BOND FILED, POSTED 01152002 RET. 02042002   
9   01/16/2002    BY O. EDDINS   
10   01/16/2002    CASE PLACED ON COURT DOCKET FOR: 02042002   
11   01/31/2002    INFORMATION FILED   
12   02/04/2002    JUDGE: WHITE   
13   02/04/2002    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: DICKEY   
14   02/04/2002    COURT REPORTER: MURDOCK   
15   02/04/2002    COURT CLERK: TAYLOR   
16   02/04/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
17   02/04/2002    NOTICE OF APPEARANCE, PLEA OF NOT GUILTY AND WAIVER OF PERSONAL   
18   02/04/2002    APPEARANCE FILED BY ATTY. MICHAEL J. PITTS (COPY)   
19   02/04/2002    PLED NOT GUILTY. SET FOR JURY TRIAL: 04012002, DIV. I   
20   02/04/2002    PLEA DAY: 03202002, 1:30PM   
21   02/04/2002    ATTORNEY NOTIFIED OF TRIAL DATE BY PHONE   
22   02/04/2002    DEMAND FOR DISCOVERY FILED   
23   02/08/2002    DISCOVERY EXHIBIT, FILED   
24   02/08/2002    DEMAND FOR NOTICE OF ALIBI FILED   
25   03/20/2002    JUDGE: WHITE   
26   03/20/2002    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: STOPP   
27   03/20/2002    COURT REPORTER: SEAY   
28   03/20/2002    COURT CLERK: KENNEDY   
29   03/20/2002    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
30   03/20/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
31   03/20/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 04292002, DIV. I   
32   03/20/2002    PLEA DAY: 04242002, 1:30PM AT DEFENSE REQUEST   
33   04/24/2002    JUDGE: WHITE   
34   04/24/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: PITTS   
35   04/24/2002    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: STOPP   
36   04/24/2002    COURT REPORTER: PEARCY   
37   04/24/2002    COURT CLERK: BLAIR/KENNEDY   
38   04/24/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 06102002, DIV. I   
39   04/24/2002    PLEA DAY: 05292002, 1:30 P.M.   
40   04/24/2002    AT DEFENSE REQUEST   
41   04/24/2002    (DEFT'S PRESENT WAIVED ON 05292002)   
42   04/24/2002    CASE SET FOR PLEA DAY ON: 052920020130   
43   05/29/2002    JUDGE: WHITE   
44   05/29/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
45   05/29/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
46   05/29/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 7/15/2002, DIV. I   
47   05/29/2002    PLEA DAY: 7/3/2002, 1:30PM
AT DEFENSE REQUEST   
48   05/30/2002    Bond Information Captured

Arrest Bond Added to Case with:
Arrest Date: 01/14/2002
Initial Charge #: 1
Initial Action Code: DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS
Prosecutor Count #: 1
Prosecutor Action Code: DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRU0001GS
Custody Location:
Bond Status: Posted
Status Date: 02/04/2002
Bond Type: PROFESSIONAL BOND
Bond/Pwr No.: AA01233391
Bond Amount: $1000
Bonding Co.: ODIE EDDINS BAIL BONDS
Cash Depositor:
 
49   05/30/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: PLEA DAY
Date: 07/03/2002 Time: 8:30 am
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
50   07/03/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
51   07/03/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
52   07/03/2002    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
53   07/03/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 08262002, DIV I   
54   07/03/2002    PLEA DAY: 08072002, 1:30 PM @ DEFENSE REQUEST   
55   07/05/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: PLEA DAY
Date: 08/07/2002 Time: 1:30 pm
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
56   07/09/2002    MOTION FOR/TO: SUPPRESS FILED BY THE DEFENDANT
MOTION DENIED WITHOUT PREJUDICE. REFILE WITH NOTATION OF RESULT OF CONTACT WITH OPPOSING COUNSEL
(COPY SENT TO STATE ATTY. & PUBLIC DEFENDER)   
57   08/07/2002    JUDGE: WHITE   
58   08/07/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M PITTS   
59   08/07/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
60   08/07/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 09232002, DIV. I   
61   08/07/2002    PLEA DAY: 09112002, 1:30PM   
62   08/08/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: PLEA DAY
Date: 09/11/2002 Time: 1:30 pm
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
63   08/23/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: ARRAIGNMENTS
Date: 09/10/2002 Time: 9:00 am
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
64   08/23/2002    MOTION TO SUPRESS SET FOR 09102002, 9:00 AM, DIV. I PER FAITH   
65   08/26/2002    NOTICE OF HEARING ON MOTION TO SUPPRESS FILED BY ATTY. MICHAEL J. PITTS   
66   09/10/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: PLEA DAY
Date: 10/03/2002 Time: 1:30 pm
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
67   09/10/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
68   09/10/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY:M. PITTS   
69   09/10/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
70   09/10/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL:10/28/02,D IV. I   
71   09/10/2002    PLEA DAY:10/3/02 @ 1PM AT DEFENSE REQUEST   
72   09/11/2002    ORDER GRANTING CONTINUANCE FILED
COPIES SENT   
73   10/03/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: JURY SELECTION
Date: 10/28/2002 Time: 8:30 am
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
74   10/03/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
75   10/03/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
76   10/03/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY:M PITTS   
77   10/03/2002    JURY WILL BE SELECTED: 10282002, 8:30AM DIV. I   
78   10/28/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
79   10/28/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
80   10/28/2002    SET FOR JURY TRIAL: 11012002, 8:30AM, DIV I   
81   10/28/2002    JURORS SELECTED THIS DAY: JENNIFER L. JONES, EDDIE M. DEAN, TERESA S. EAGERTON, LINDA A. YOUNG, JANET W. PILKINTON, THERESA C. GLAUDEL, ALTERNATE: ROBERT C. PARE   
82   10/28/2002    JURY SWORN 3:55 PM   
83   11/01/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
84   11/01/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
85   11/01/2002    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
86   11/01/2002    RESET FOR JURY TRIAL: 12052002, 8:30AM, DIV I   
87   11/01/2002    JURORS REMAIN ON THIS CASE-JURY ASSEMBLY NOTIFIED, SPOKE W/MRS. CROW   
88   11/01/2002    CASE LAW FILED   
89   11/04/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: JURY TRIAL
Date: 12/05/2002 Time: 8:30 am
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
90   11/15/2002    DEFENDANT'S MOTION TO SUPPRESS OR DISMISS FILED BY ATTY. MICHAEL J. PITTS.   
91   11/18/2002    DEFENDANT'S MOTION FOR CONTINUANCE FILED BY ATTY. MICHAEL J. PITTS.   
92   11/20/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
93   11/20/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
94   11/20/2002    DEFENDANT ABSENT   
95   11/20/2002    MOTION FOR/TO: SUPPRESS SET FOR 12/5/02 @ 8AM
TRIAL TO FOLLOW   
96   11/21/2002    NOTICE OF HEARING FILED.   
97   12/02/2002    SEND INTO COURT 12/3/03 @ 8:30AM
DEFT. TO ENTER PLEA PER FAITH   
98   12/03/2002    JUDGE WHITE   
99   12/03/2002    DEFENSE ATTORNEY: M. PITTS   
100   12/03/2002    ASSISTANT STATE ATTORNEY: HANKINS   
101   12/03/2002    COURT REPORTER: PEARCY   
102   12/03/2002    COURT CLERK: TAYLOR/BRADY   
103   12/03/2002    DEFENDANT PRESENT   
104   12/03/2002    STATE ORALLY AMENDS INFO TO ADD CT. 2-
RECKLESS DRIVING   
105   12/03/2002    STATE ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED A NOLLE PROSEQUI AS TO: CT .1   
106   12/03/2002    PLED NOLO CONTENDERE TO:CT .2, ADJUDGED GUILTY   
107   12/03/2002    FINE AND COSTS: $250.00   
108   12/03/2002    DEFENDANT TO ATTEND 1ST OFFENDER DUI SCHOOL   
109   12/03/2002    PAYMENT DUE: 4/1/03 OR D6   
110   12/03/2002    JURY ASSEMBLY NOTIFIED SPOKE W/ J. CROW   
111   12/09/2002    COURT EVENT SET
Event: ARRAIGNMENTS
Date: 04/01/2003 Time: 8:30 am
Judge: WHITE, WILLIAM P Location: DIVISION I COURTROOM   
112   12/09/2002    CITY $136 OR MORE Receipt: 233810 Date: 03/12/2003   
113   12/09/2002    VIOL INVOLVING ALCOHOL/DRUGS 938.13 Receipt: 233810 Date: 03/12/2003   
114   12/09/2002    EMS $5
Charge #2: RECKLESS DRIVING - REDUCED FROM D.U.I. Receipt: 233810 Date: 03/12/2003   
115   12/09/2002    BOND CANCELLATION SENT TO SURETY

Misdemeanor Bond Cancellation
Sent on: 12/09/2002 15:54:17   
116   04/04/2003    DELINQUENT LETTER ISSUED AND DELINQUENT FEE ASSESSED 322.245
Charge #2: RECKLESS DRIVING - REDUCED FROM D.U.I. Receipt: 813031 Date: 10/22/2007   
117   05/07/2003    D-6 ISSUED   
118   10/22/2007    FILED DUI SCHOOL COMPLETION   
119   10/22/2007    D6 CLEARANCE LETTER PREPARED

MISDEMEANOR Criminal Traffic Clearance Form w/barc
Sent on: 10/22/2007 10:19:22   
120   10/22/2007    DEFENDANT HAS COMPLIED; CASE COMPLETE   
121   10/22/2007    CASE TERMINATED   
122   11/26/2007    D6 CLEARANCE LETTER PREPARED

MISDEMEANOR Criminal Traffic Clearance Form w/barc
Sent on: 11/26/2007 10:47:30   
EVENTS 
Rcd  Date  Start Time  End Time  Event Type  Judge  Result 
1  10/03/2002  1:30:00 PM  1:30:00 PM  PLEA DAY  WHITE  , WILLIAM P   
DIVISION I COURTROOM   
2  10/28/2002  8:30:00 AM  8:30:00 AM  JURY SELECTION  WHITE  , WILLIAM P   
DIVISION I COURTROOM   
3  12/05/2002  8:30:00 AM  8:30:00 AM  JURY TRIAL  WHITE  , WILLIAM P   
DIVISION I COURTROOM   
4  04/01/2003  8:30:00 AM  8:30:00 AM  ARRAIGNMENTS  WHITE  , WILLIAM P   
DIVISION III COURT ROOM   
FINANCIAL SUMMARY 
Rcd  Docket Application  Owed  Paid  Dismissed  Due 
1  Court costs  $250.00  $250.00  $.00  $.00 
2  Service Charge  $14.00  $14.00  $.00  $.00 
 TOTAL  $264.00  $264.00  $.00  $.00 
RECEIPTS 
Rcd  Date  Receipt  Received From  Payment Amount  Applied Amount  Change Returned 
1  03/12/2003  233810  WIGGINS, HUGH GREGORY  $250.00  $250.00  $.00 
2  10/22/2007  813031  WIGGINS, HUGH GREGORY  $14.00  $14.00  $.00 
TICKLERS 
Rcd  Entry Date  Description  Days Due  Due Date  Notices  Extensions  Completed Date 
1  04/04/2003  Issue D6 on Criminal Traffic Charge  31  05/05/2003  1  0   
2  04/04/2003  Delinquency Notice on Criminal Traffic  3  04/04/2003  1  0  04/04/2003 
CITATIONS 
None 
ADDITIONAL CIVIL 
None 
CLAIMANTS 
None 
ADDITIONAL FIELDS 
Rcd  Field  Description 
1  BOND AMOUNT  000001000.00 
2  BOND/CUSTODY  ODIE EDDINS 
3  OLD CASE NUMBER  0220244DDA 
CRIMINAL OBTS 
PARTY CHARGE SUMMARY 
Rcd  Chg/
Cnt  Phase  Charge Description  Charge Disposition  Disposition Date 
1  1  Prosecutor  DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS  NOLLE PROSEQUI  12/03/2002 
2  2  Court  RECKLESS DRIVING - REDUCED FROM D.U.I.  PLED NOLO OR GUILTY  12/09/2002 
CHARGE NUMBER 1 
BASIC PHASE - Charge 1 
OBTS Number  1701062426  Agency  Pensacola Police Department 
Agency Number Type  Agency Number 
COMPLAINT NUMBER  02000550 
INITIAL PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Arrest  Offense Begin Dt  01/14/2002 
Charge/Count  1  Offense End Dt   
Action Code  316.193(2A)2  Capias/Summons Issued   
Level/Degree  Second Degree Misdemeanor  Arrest/Summons Served  01/14/2002 
F.S.S.  316.193(2a)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS 
PROSECUTOR PHASE - Charge 
Charge Status  Same  Direct File   
Charge/Count  1  Prosecutor File Dt  01/31/2002 
Action Code  316.193(2A)2  Final Decision Dt  12/03/2002 
Level/Degree  Second Degree Misdemeanor  Pros Final Action  NOLLE PROSEQUI 
F.S.S.  316.193(2a)  Offense Activity  Not Applicable 
Gen Offense Char  Not Applicable  Drug Type  Not Applicable 
Charge Description  DRIVE UNDER INFLUENCE ALCOHOL OR DRUGS 
COURT PHASE - Charge 1 
Charge Status   Final Plea / Date 
 
Charge/Count  1  Court Action / Date 
 
Action Code   Trial Type   
Level/Degree   Judge  I / WHITE, WILLIAM P 
F.S.S.   Offense Activity   
Gen Offense Char   Drug Type   
Charge Description   
POST SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 1 
REARREST PHASE - Charge 1 
SENTENCE PHASE - Charge 1 
BOND 
Arrest Bond Num  1  Blanket Bond  YES 
Bond Power Num  AA01233391  Bonding Co  ODIE EDDINS BAIL BONDS 
Bond Type  PROFESSIONAL BOND  Surety Agent  ODIE 
Bond Amount  1000  Insurance Co  ROCHE SURETY & CASUALTY COMPANY 
#  Bond Status  Bond Status Date 
1  Posted  02/04/2002 
CHARGE NUMBER 2 



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 12:31:50 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

OK~just found my answer to the Hugh Wiggins arrest records, it's the same Hugh Wiggins that Pamela Long Wiggins is married to and he has a record for agg assault with a weapon?????? ::MonkeyRoll::

Long married Wiggins 12/31/08 (updated)
July 15 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

Found the Okaloosa County Marriage License between Pamela Long and Hugh Gregory Wiggins. It was filed 12/31/08. This explains the confusion over her last name.

NorthEscambia.com took this piece of information a little further and found that Patrick and Tabitha Gonzalez signed the marriage license as witnesses to the marriage. (Read more). CNN picked up the same information last night.


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6845


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 10:16:43 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

OK~just found my answer to the Hugh Wiggins arrest records, it's the same Hugh Wiggins that Pamela Long Wiggins is married to and he has a record for agg assault with a weapon?????? ::MonkeyRoll::

Long married Wiggins 12/31/08 (updated)
July 15 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

Found the Okaloosa County Marriage License between Pamela Long and Hugh Gregory Wiggins. It was filed 12/31/08. This explains the confusion over her last name.

NorthEscambia.com took this piece of information a little further and found that Patrick and Tabitha Gonzalez signed the marriage license as witnesses to the marriage. (Read more). CNN picked up the same information last night.


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6845


Good job!! I have wondered all along what his role was in all of this, and how he knew the safe was buried in the back yard. Since they all seemed to know each other, why was he not part of this?? Or was he?I had heard at one time Pamela and Hugh were "seperated." Have you heard this also?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 10:26:56 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

OK~just found my answer to the Hugh Wiggins arrest records, it's the same Hugh Wiggins that Pamela Long Wiggins is married to and he has a record for agg assault with a weapon?????? ::MonkeyRoll::

Long married Wiggins 12/31/08 (updated)
July 15 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

Found the Okaloosa County Marriage License between Pamela Long and Hugh Gregory Wiggins. It was filed 12/31/08. This explains the confusion over her last name.

NorthEscambia.com took this piece of information a little further and found that Patrick and Tabitha Gonzalez signed the marriage license as witnesses to the marriage. (Read more). CNN picked up the same information last night.


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6845


Good job!! I have wondered all along what his role was in all of this, and how he knew the safe was buried in the back yard. Since they all seemed to know each other, why was he not part of this?? Or was he?I had heard at one time Pamela and Hugh were "seperated." Have you heard this also?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I'll have to lookk back, I remember Madlen trying to divorce her, so the marriage to Wiggins from Dec 08 is technically "illegal", but I think you are right. I also went back thru the Escambia County records and looked at Pat Poff (aka Leonard P Gonzales), and whoa his criminal history is long, and that wasn't even checking Santa Rosa county where he lives ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 11:21:39 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

OK~just found my answer to the Hugh Wiggins arrest records, it's the same Hugh Wiggins that Pamela Long Wiggins is married to and he has a record for agg assault with a weapon?????? ::MonkeyRoll::

Long married Wiggins 12/31/08 (updated)
July 15 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

Found the Okaloosa County Marriage License between Pamela Long and Hugh Gregory Wiggins. It was filed 12/31/08. This explains the confusion over her last name.

NorthEscambia.com took this piece of information a little further and found that Patrick and Tabitha Gonzalez signed the marriage license as witnesses to the marriage. (Read more). CNN picked up the same information last night.


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6845


Good job!! I have wondered all along what his role was in all of this, and how he knew the safe was buried in the back yard. Since they all seemed to know each other, why was he not part of this?? Or was he?I had heard at one time Pamela and Hugh were "seperated." Have you heard this also?

 ::MonkeyConfused:: I'll have to lookk back, I remember Madlen trying to divorce her, so the marriage to Wiggins from Dec 08 is technically "illegal", but I think you are right. I also went back thru the Escambia County records and looked at Pat Poff (aka Leonard P Gonzales), and whoa his criminal history is long, and that wasn't even checking Santa Rosa county where he lives ::MonkeyTongue::

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 11:22:40 AM
Does anyone know about the two grown children of Byrd Billings, especially the son he sued??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 12:22:59 PM
Does anyone know about the two grown children of Byrd Billings, especially the son he sued??


No, but working on it now.......I did hear rumor that one killed himself (but this source is not one of my usual sources), so digging now. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 12:34:42 PM
Does anyone know about the two grown children of Byrd Billings, especially the son he sued??

Found some info:

Byrd Billings, 66, when he died, had two biological children - Michael, who lives in South Florida, and Melisssa, who lives in Arizona - and an older adopted son who is believed to have committed suicide.

Melanie, 43, his third wife, also had two children - Ashley and Nikki, who died last year of complications from cerebral palsy.

http://www.wltx.com/news/story.aspx?storyid=76270


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 12:35:31 PM
Island, thank you for the post of the statutes -- that gives some comfort that her role will not be viewed as a "minor" offense -- just wonder if she will roll on her friends? for a plea bargain?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 12:57:36 PM
Island, thank you for the post of the statutes -- that gives some comfort that her role will not be viewed as a "minor" offense -- just wonder if she will roll on her friends? for a plea bargain?

YW~I was so sick about her charges that I had to find the statute and the sentencing guidelines........no way is her role "minor" IMO, I think she should be hit with an additional conspiracy charge and ultimately 2 counts of open murder. I think she may roll on someone, but I honestly think she's been bonded so low for a reason. I think they are trying to use her to find others. She was at the Starbucks by the mall the other day and the press was all over her, smug as usual.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 01:10:06 PM
Island, thank you for the post of the statutes -- that gives some comfort that her role will not be viewed as a "minor" offense -- just wonder if she will roll on her friends? for a plea bargain?

YW~I was so sick about her charges that I had to find the statute and the sentencing guidelines........no way is her role "minor" IMO, I think she should be hit with an additional conspiracy charge and ultimately 2 counts of open murder. I think she may roll on someone, but I honestly think she's been bonded so low for a reason. I think they are trying to use her to find others. She was at the Starbucks by the mall the other day and the press was all over her, smug as usual.

This makes absolutely no sense. When you want someone to roll over on someone, you put them in jail on big charges and squeeze!!!! Starbucks!! If she has someone big to roll over on, she better keep her head down and out of the mall. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BILLINGS, PAMELA!!!! JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 02:36:53 PM
Great work monkeys & thanks for the updates.  Thank you IM for all your input.  Hope everyone is enjoying their afternoon.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/teapot3a.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 02:39:28 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090723/NEWS01/907230319

Billings investigation's public phase ending
No arrests expected this week; sheriff to curtail conferences
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 23, 2009

A Sheriff's Office spokesman said he expects no new arrests this week in the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said in an interview earlier this week that he expected a ninth arrest in the double homicide by midweek or the week's end.

"Investigations change. As far as I know, there are no new arrests expected in the near future," spokesman Sgt. Ted Roy said in an interview Wednesday.

Roy also said Wednesday that Morgan is pulling out of the public spotlight in the coming days at the insistence of investigators and the State Attorney's Office.

Morgan has made several national media appearances and held multiple daily news conferences since the Billings murders, but Roy said he won't make additional appearances in order to "quell rumors."

The couple were shot to death July 9 in their Beulah home with nine of their adopted special-needs children in the home.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. and six other men dressed like ninjas staged a daylight raid on the Billingses' Mobile Highway residence, according to arrest warrants.

The couple were found dead in their bedroom, and a safe — containing paperwork, heirloom jewelry and children's prescriptions — was taken from the house.

The safe was recovered from the backyard of Pamela Wiggins' Gulf Breeze home. She is charged as an accessory after the fact in the case.

During a brief news conference Wednesday, Billings family attorney Crystal Collins Spencer declined to say whether a second safe or money was left in the home.

She did confirm Gonzalez Jr.'s statement to investigators that Byrd Billings made a donation to his martial arts program. Gonzalez Jr. headed Project FIGHTBACK, which taught self-defense to children.

Spencer said the donation likely was less than $1,000 and no record of it has been found.

"He made a donation in a nominal amount," Spencer said. "That would not have been out of his character."

Gonzalez and the seven men accused in the raid are charged with two open counts of murder. The five men who allegedly entered the home also are charged with home invasion.

Ten guns and several boxes of ammunition were taken from Wiggins' home on Ramblewood Drive in Gulf Breeze, according to search warrants. The owner of the guns isn't known yet, Roy said.

Those weapons now are in the possession of the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, where they are undergoing ballistics tests, Roy said.

During the 30-minute news conference Wednesday, Spencer said that family matriarch Ashley Markham and her husband, Blue, are adjusting to caring for the nine children. The children still are making the transition back into the home where their parents were slain.

She asked members of the media to respect the family's privacy as they settled into the home.

Friends and family worked to help replace the carpet and clean the house before the children returned. The house locks have been changed, she said.

"The children are doing remarkably well given what they have gone through," Spencer said.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 02:47:15 PM
Hi Cece and thank you. ::MonkeyAngel::

OK Folks!! This has got my hinky meter way off the charts now! What's going on?? Why are they sitting on the Sheriff?? And Pamela goes to Starbucks!!! Next thing you know she will be making the rounds on the Today Show, LKL, and staying at the Ritz!!! Come on! Dig, people dig. There is way more to this. Way more.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 02:55:15 PM
Hi Cece and thank you. ::MonkeyAngel::

OK Folks!! This has got my hinky meter way off the charts now! What's going on?? Why are they sitting on the Sheriff?? And Pamela goes to Starbucks!!! Next thing you know she will be making the rounds on the Today Show, LKL, and staying at the Ritz!!! Come on! Dig, people dig. There is way more to this. Way more.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree.  I don't know what is going on & don't know anything about that area, so I rely on you & IM & the other monkeys here to fill in those gaps.  I just went over to youtube to see if there were any recent videos about the case, & there are some bizzarroooo ones there.  I certainly wasn't going to open any video that was authored by someone named "terroristthreat"


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
Hi Cece and thank you. ::MonkeyAngel::

OK Folks!! This has got my hinky meter way off the charts now! What's going on?? Why are they sitting on the Sheriff?? And Pamela goes to Starbucks!!! Next thing you know she will be making the rounds on the Today Show, LKL, and staying at the Ritz!!! Come on! Dig, people dig. There is way more to this. Way more.  ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree.  I don't know what is going on & don't know anything about that area, so I rely on you & IM & the other monkeys here to fill in those gaps.  I just went over to youtube to see if there were any recent videos about the case, & there are some bizzarroooo ones there.  I certainly wasn't going to open any video that was authored by someone named "terroristthreat"

 ::MonkeyEek:: Can't say as I blame you. The gulf coast is notorious for criminal types and deals under the table, especially in the port areas. That means all the way from the Texas Coast and back along to the Florida coast. I don't believe this is a gang that couldn't shoot straight. There is so much more here. I want to know what.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 03:06:27 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6985

We found the State of Florida Uniform Commercial Code Financing Statement between Hispanic-American Auto Sales/Henry Tice and Worldco Financial Services.

It is for all the vehicle inventory, parts and accessories, etc at Hispanic-American Auto Sales.






Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 03:26:03 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/billings-attorney-the-entire-story-will-be-told/201749/Jul-22-2009_7-05-pm/

By Jessica Taloney Reporter
Published: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 6:37 pm CST
Last Updated: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 7:05 pm CST

Billings’ Attorney: “The Entire Story Will Be Told”

During a press conference Wednesday afternoon, an attorney representing the Billings family told reporters the truth about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings will eventually be told.

"The entire story will be told," said Crystal Spencer. "There will be a time. It's just not right now."

Refusing to comment on a recent report that a second safe containing $100,000 was the intended target of the home invasion and double murder, Spencer said the Billings' children, who will return to the Beulah home where their parents were killed, are concerned about their safety.

CNN, citing a source close to the investigation, reported the thieves could not open the safe or carry it out of the house.

"That is a detail or part of the investigation that can not be released at this time," said Spencer. "There are a couple of issues here. We're talking about the privacy of the Billings-Markham family, and we're also talking about the safety of the Billings-Markham family."

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan also refused to comment on the report, saying he would only discuss items that were actually stolen from the Billings' home.

As we first reported last week, a safe that was taken during the home invasion contained passports, birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelery and medicines prescribed to the family.

During the same press conference, Spencer also rejected reports that Byrd Billings tried to cash in on his adopted children.

Byrd and Melanie Billings together raised 17 kids, 13 of which were adopted and have been described as having special needs or coming from at-risk situations.

In letters made public this week, Byrd Billings, who reportedly copyrighted the children's names, demanded $10,000,000 from several employees of the Florida Department of Children and Families for allegedly violating the copyright.

"One can look at it and try to read something very negatively," said Spencer when asked about the copyrights. "I believe got he got some bad advice. Someone told him if you copyright these names and capitalize them then you've created a right of privacy."

The Billings were murdered during a home invasion July 9. Seven people, including Leonard Gonzalez Junior, the alleged mastermind behind the crime, have been charged with murder. An eighth suspect, Pamela Long-Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/news/video_external/billings-attorney-the-entire-story-will-be-told/201749/

I'm not sure I did this right, but here is the link where the video is:

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/billings-attorney-the-entire-story-will-be-told/201749/Jul-22-2009_7-05-pm/


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 03:36:32 PM
Oops!  Messed that one up.  Sorry.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 03:37:19 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/billings-attorney-the-entire-story-will-be-told/201749/Jul-22-2009_7-05-pm/

By Jessica Taloney Reporter
Published: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 6:37 pm CST
Last Updated: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 7:05 pm CST

Billings’ Attorney: “The Entire Story Will Be Told”

During a press conference Wednesday afternoon, an attorney representing the Billings family told reporters the truth about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings will eventually be told.

"The entire story will be told," said Crystal Spencer. "There will be a time. It's just not right now."

Refusing to comment on a recent report that a second safe containing $100,000 was the intended target of the home invasion and double murder, Spencer said the Billings' children, who will return to the Beulah home where their parents were killed, are concerned about their safety.

CNN, citing a source close to the investigation, reported the thieves could not open the safe or carry it out of the house.

"That is a detail or part of the investigation that can not be released at this time," said Spencer. "There are a couple of issues here. We're talking about the privacy of the Billings-Markham family, and we're also talking about the safety of the Billings-Markham family."

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan also refused to comment on the report, saying he would only discuss items that were actually stolen from the Billings' home.

As we first reported last week, a safe that was taken during the home invasion contained passports, birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelery and medicines prescribed to the family.

During the same press conference, Spencer also rejected reports that Byrd Billings tried to cash in on his adopted children.

Byrd and Melanie Billings together raised 17 kids, 13 of which were adopted and have been described as having special needs or coming from at-risk situations.

In letters made public this week, Byrd Billings, who reportedly copyrighted the children's names, demanded $10,000,000 from several employees of the Florida Department of Children and Families for allegedly violating the copyright.

"One can look at it and try to read something very negatively," said Spencer when asked about the copyrights. "I believe got he got some bad advice. Someone told him if you copyright these names and capitalize them then you've created a right of privacy."
The Billings were murdered during a home invasion July 9. Seven people, including Leonard Gonzalez Junior, the alleged mastermind behind the crime, have been charged with murder. An eighth suspect, Pamela Long-Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime.


Isn't that the same thing that Cindy Anthony did, try to copyright the name Caylee Marie Anthony so nobody else could use it?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 23, 2009, 06:12:11 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/billings-attorney-the-entire-story-will-be-told/201749/Jul-22-2009_7-05-pm/

By Jessica Taloney Reporter
Published: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 6:37 pm CST
Last Updated: Wed, July 22, 2009 - 7:05 pm CST

Billings’ Attorney: “The Entire Story Will Be Told”

During a press conference Wednesday afternoon, an attorney representing the Billings family told reporters the truth about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings will eventually be told.

"The entire story will be told," said Crystal Spencer. "There will be a time. It's just not right now."

Refusing to comment on a recent report that a second safe containing $100,000 was the intended target of the home invasion and double murder, Spencer said the Billings' children, who will return to the Beulah home where their parents were killed, are concerned about their safety.

CNN, citing a source close to the investigation, reported the thieves could not open the safe or carry it out of the house.

"That is a detail or part of the investigation that can not be released at this time," said Spencer. "There are a couple of issues here. We're talking about the privacy of the Billings-Markham family, and we're also talking about the safety of the Billings-Markham family."

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan also refused to comment on the report, saying he would only discuss items that were actually stolen from the Billings' home.

As we first reported last week, a safe that was taken during the home invasion contained passports, birth certificates, adoption papers, heirloom jewelery and medicines prescribed to the family.

During the same press conference, Spencer also rejected reports that Byrd Billings tried to cash in on his adopted children.

Byrd and Melanie Billings together raised 17 kids, 13 of which were adopted and have been described as having special needs or coming from at-risk situations.

In letters made public this week, Byrd Billings, who reportedly copyrighted the children's names, demanded $10,000,000 from several employees of the Florida Department of Children and Families for allegedly violating the copyright.

"One can look at it and try to read something very negatively," said Spencer when asked about the copyrights. "I believe got he got some bad advice. Someone told him if you copyright these names and capitalize them then you've created a right of privacy."
The Billings were murdered during a home invasion July 9. Seven people, including Leonard Gonzalez Junior, the alleged mastermind behind the crime, have been charged with murder. An eighth suspect, Pamela Long-Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime.


Isn't that the same thing that Cindy Anthony did, try to copyright the name Caylee Marie Anthony so nobody else could use it?

I think you're right about that Fanny Mae.  Leave it to Cindy! 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 07:05:21 PM
Dateline NBC doing a piece on the murders, they've been in town for just a few days after the murders and still here digging around.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 23, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Dateline NBC doing a piece on the murders, they've been in town for just a few days after the murders and still here digging around.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Great!!   ::MonkeyEek:: I hope it isn't a puff piece. Dateline usually isn't. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 09:21:06 PM
Dateline NBC doing a piece on the murders, they've been in town for just a few days after the murders and still here digging around.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Great!!   ::MonkeyEek:: I hope it isn't a puff piece. Dateline usually isn't. 

Usually not, and it's Keith Morrison.......I just can't wait to find out the "humdinger" part of the case. IMO, the sheriff wants to say more but is constrained-I don't know if you've noticed but the tension during those pressers last week between Morgan and the SA Eddin was palpable.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 09:28:43 PM
If I were that Pamela woman, thank God I'm not, I'd be watching my back.  Her boyfriend sounds like he wouldn't take kindly to a snitch and with such a low bail amount, that is what she sounds like.  Vengenance is not a new concept in his world.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 09:34:30 PM
If I were that Pamela woman, thank God I'm not, I'd be watching my back.  Her boyfriend sounds like he wouldn't take kindly to a snitch and with such a low bail amount, that is what she sounds like.  Vengenance is not a new concept in his world.

I think you're right  ::MonkeyTongue:: If I was her, I might actually feel safer BEHIND bars......a guy in my office went to school with Pat Poff aka Leonard Gonzales, Jr and he tells me he has always been crazy/sociopath and has a huge chip on his shoulder-always out to prove something. Then you have this nut Pam out having lunch and going to starbucks (I swear I worry about running into her--it's so small here)  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 09:40:37 PM
This from Rick's blog:

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
Last November, a man walked into Pen Air/Members First Credit Union in the Live Oak Village Shopping Center, Gulf Breeze. He is described as a white male in a black hood sweatshirt and wearing blue jeans, black or brown shoes, black gloves and carrying a gun. He looks to be in his late 20s to early 30s around 5’8” and weighing about 180 lbs. His face was covered so that just his eyes were showing.

After robbing the credit union, he is seen driving off in a large red SUV.

The newspaper article on the crime wrote “the robber apparently planned the heist meticulously and knew the lay of the land.”

Does this sound like anyone we know in the Billings murders? Does it sound like a Ninja robber?



Same description of the Suntrust suspect???? LMAO about th etitle of this article:


Ninja epidemic in Gulf Breeze

July 23 20092 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

There was another bank robbery involving someone dress in Ninja grab. In November 2007, the SunTrust Bank on Hoffman Drive in Gulf Breeze was robbed.

Description of robber: White male, approximately 5 foot 8 inches tall, weighing around 160 pounds, dressed in a black hooded sweatshirt, black pants, black gloves and a black mask.

This time he fled in a silver or gold Toyota or Honda.

Does this robber sound familiar?


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6983


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
http://www.weartv.com/

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - You can expect to start hearing a lot less from Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The sheriff's spokesperson says the public phase of the investigation is winding down.

Channel Three's Dan Thomas joins us now live from south Santa Rosa County at the Magnolia Antique Mall. Dan.

The public phase of the investigation may be winding down but some national media outlets are just getting started. Many have already made the trip out to Highway 98 to this antique mall owned by Pamela Long Wiggins.

After the Billings were murdered, according to affidavit, the suspects and Pamela Long Wiggins met here to split up the goods and give back their weapons. One of the many scenes from this story our sheriff has said could be the bases for a Hollywood movie.

Thursday, July 23 2009, 19:11 PM EST




ANOTHER ONE FROM WEAR:

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - You can expect to start hearing a lot less from Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The sheriff's spokesperson says the public phase of the investigation is winding down.

Channel Three's Dan Thomas joins us now live from south Santa Rosa County at the Magnolia Antique Mall. Dan.

The public phase of the investigation may be winding down but some national media outlets are just getting started.

Many have already made the trip out to Highway 98 to this antique mall owned by Pamela Long Wiggins.

After the Billings were murdered, according to affidavit, the suspects and Pamela Long Wiggins met here to split up the goods and give back their weapons.

One of the many scenes from this story our sheriff has said could be the bases for a Hollywood movie.

"The case consumed everybody."

The sheriff's spokesman, Sgt. Ted Roy, says the public phase of the investigation is winding down meaning we'll be hearing a lot less of this.

Sheriff: "We've found them"
"It's like playing mastermind chess"
"Beanie babies and buble gum"

Ted: "He'll continue to talk, but we're going to taper it back and he'll get back to running an 78 or 80 million dollar sheriff's office."

But while the sheriff directs attention to other areas, the national media is staying on the story.

Keith: "Frankly it's showing off Pensacola as a pretty interesting place, your sheriff is something."

Dateline NBC Correspondent Keith Morrison says he's fascinated by this case.

Keith: "How many families have adopted all these special needs children and then were cut down is such a horrific and brutal way no matter what the cause may have been"

But Morrison says that's not what makes this a Dateline story. The difference has been Sheriff David Morgan.

Keith: Frankly, when I first I heard about this story when they asked me to take part in it, I wasn't that keen until I, and forgive me for saying this, got bitten by the bug like everyone else the uncertainty of it all the mystery and what is that man really saying what's he hiding what's he trying to reveal."

As for how long the national media will be here, Morrison says he's worked on a story for as little as a day and a half and as long as eleven years. Billings' Murder Gets National Attention


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 11:02:04 PM
If I were that Pamela woman, thank God I'm not, I'd be watching my back.  Her boyfriend sounds like he wouldn't take kindly to a snitch and with such a low bail amount, that is what she sounds like.  Vengenance is not a new concept in his world.

I think you're right  ::MonkeyTongue:: If I was her, I might actually feel safer BEHIND bars......a guy in my office went to school with Pat Poff aka Leonard Gonzales, Jr and he tells me he has always been crazy/sociopath and has a huge chip on his shoulder-always out to prove something. Then you have this nut Pam out having lunch and going to starbucks (I swear I worry about running into her--it's so small here)  ::MonkeyEek::

Lordy, what would you say to such a person?  How's trixs?
 :smt014


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 11:07:55 PM
If I were that Pamela woman, thank God I'm not, I'd be watching my back.  Her boyfriend sounds like he wouldn't take kindly to a snitch and with such a low bail amount, that is what she sounds like.  Vengenance is not a new concept in his world.

I think you're right  ::MonkeyTongue:: If I was her, I might actually feel safer BEHIND bars......a guy in my office went to school with Pat Poff aka Leonard Gonzales, Jr and he tells me he has always been crazy/sociopath and has a huge chip on his shoulder-always out to prove something. Then you have this nut Pam out having lunch and going to starbucks (I swear I worry about running into her--it's so small here)  ::MonkeyEek::

Lordy, what would you say to such a person?  How's trixs?
 :smt014

LOL~Nothing I could post on here without getting banned ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 23, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
I hear (or don't hear) that!  What an evil person!
 :rambo:


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 23, 2009, 11:14:00 PM
I hear (or don't hear) that!  What an evil person!
 :rambo:

Evil and manipulative.......a deadly combination   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 23, 2009, 11:25:55 PM
http://www.weartv.com/

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - You can expect to start hearing a lot less from Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The sheriff's spokesperson says the public phase of the investigation is winding down.

Channel Three's Dan Thomas joins us now live from south Santa Rosa County at the Magnolia Antique Mall. Dan.

The public phase of the investigation may be winding down but some national media outlets are just getting started. Many have already made the trip out to Highway 98 to this antique mall owned by Pamela Long Wiggins.

After the Billings were murdered, according to affidavit, the suspects and Pamela Long Wiggins met here to split up the goods and give back their weapons. One of the many scenes from this story our sheriff has said could be the bases for a Hollywood movie.

Thursday, July 23 2009, 19:11 PM EST




ANOTHER ONE FROM WEAR:

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - You can expect to start hearing a lot less from Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan about the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The sheriff's spokesperson says the public phase of the investigation is winding down.

Channel Three's Dan Thomas joins us now live from south Santa Rosa County at the Magnolia Antique Mall. Dan.

The public phase of the investigation may be winding down but some national media outlets are just getting started.

Many have already made the trip out to Highway 98 to this antique mall owned by Pamela Long Wiggins.

After the Billings were murdered, according to affidavit, the suspects and Pamela Long Wiggins met here to split up the goods and give back their weapons.

One of the many scenes from this story our sheriff has said could be the bases for a Hollywood movie.

"The case consumed everybody."

The sheriff's spokesman, Sgt. Ted Roy, says the public phase of the investigation is winding down meaning we'll be hearing a lot less of this.

Sheriff: "We've found them"
"It's like playing mastermind chess"
"Beanie babies and buble gum"

Ted: "He'll continue to talk, but we're going to taper it back and he'll get back to running an 78 or 80 million dollar sheriff's office."

But while the sheriff directs attention to other areas, the national media is staying on the story.

Keith: "Frankly it's showing off Pensacola as a pretty interesting place, your sheriff is something."

Dateline NBC Correspondent Keith Morrison says he's fascinated by this case.

Keith: "How many families have adopted all these special needs children and then were cut down is such a horrific and brutal way no matter what the cause may have been"

But Morrison says that's not what makes this a Dateline story. The difference has been Sheriff David Morgan.

Keith: Frankly, when I first I heard about this story when they asked me to take part in it, I wasn't that keen until I, and forgive me for saying this, got bitten by the bug like everyone else the uncertainty of it all the mystery and what is that man really saying what's he hiding what's he trying to reveal."

As for how long the national media will be here, Morrison says he's worked on a story for as little as a day and a half and as long as eleven years. Billings' Murder Gets National Attention

Keith Morrison is the reporter who did the Natalee story on Dateline.  It started out as a Story on Tim Miller and Texas Equusearch and ended up exposing the cage that the Persistence crew had discovered with what appeared to be a skull
and a tennis shoe inside.  Keith Morrison opened the whole can of worms.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 12:38:31 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Here's something new...
The mother and wife Of Patrick Poff are in hiding from....
Get this.....Mexican gang / Mob
From what my sources tell me the two are terrified to go to work or any where else for that matter ...

Now the mom Terrie is not a bad person nor is the wife (Tabbitha)..."But" why are they in hiding?
Terrie never should have married that scum bag ...But she was young and it was the 70's...






Just a comment I found on the PNJ site....  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 01:01:15 AM
::MonkeyEek::

Here's something new...
The mother and wife Of Patrick Poff are in hiding from....
Get this.....Mexican gang / Mob
From what my sources tell me the two are terrified to go to work or any where else for that matter ...

Now the mom Terrie is not a bad person nor is the wife (Tabbitha)..."But" why are they in hiding?
Terrie never should have married that scum bag ...But she was young and it was the 70's...

Just a comment I found on the PNJ site....  ::MonkeyTongue::

If they're afraid cause of their history with him, dear Pamela might be drinking her last Starbucks!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 01:05:40 AM
::MonkeyEek::

Here's something new...
The mother and wife Of Patrick Poff are in hiding from....
Get this.....Mexican gang / Mob
From what my sources tell me the two are terrified to go to work or any where else for that matter ...

Now the mom Terrie is not a bad person nor is the wife (Tabbitha)..."But" why are they in hiding?
Terrie never should have married that scum bag ...But she was young and it was the 70's...

Just a comment I found on the PNJ site....  ::MonkeyTongue::

If they're afraid cause of their history with him, dear Pamela might be drinking her last Starbucks!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet there is more than a shot of coffee in her cup....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 01:08:25 AM
::MonkeyEek::

Here's something new...
The mother and wife Of Patrick Poff are in hiding from....
Get this.....Mexican gang / Mob
From what my sources tell me the two are terrified to go to work or any where else for that matter ...

Now the mom Terrie is not a bad person nor is the wife (Tabbitha)..."But" why are they in hiding?
Terrie never should have married that scum bag ...But she was young and it was the 70's...

Just a comment I found on the PNJ site....  ::MonkeyTongue::

If they're afraid cause of their history with him, dear Pamela might be drinking her last Starbucks!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet there is more than a shot of coffee in her cup....

I bet it more than Bailey's Irish Creme -- whadda think!
 :shaking:


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 08:31:34 AM
Now why would Pat's wife and mom be worried about a MEXICAN gang?? Is Pamela running her Magnolia Antique store like nothing ever happened? Where are the Tice's? Who would profit from both the Billings being dead? Has Pamela been allowed to go out on her yatch for the weekend with her sort of husband? Who was the man with the long gray pony tail walking with her on the pier the day she got arrested? Why did Hugh Wiggins know where the safe was buried in the yard? What did he know and why has he not been charged? If Pamela was in on the planning and drove the red minivan to the location, what was she only charged with assessory "after" the fact? What polical undercurrents are at work here, and who is sitting on Sheriff Morgan? Things I am wondering about this morning.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 11:25:45 AM
Good morning Fanny Mae, if you'll check back on reply #450 by Island, she gave a good run down on the wording of the statutue.  It ain't going to be minor.  It is somewhat perplexing that her bail was set so low.  If I was her, as stated above, it would make be nervous.  It is was the wife and Mom, I would be very worried.  Nothing would be beyond what anyone in this group desiring vengenance would do.
Maybe Island's reply needs to be bumped.  Me not know how to do that.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 24, 2009, 11:26:50 AM
sorry about the misspells -- not enough coffee yet.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 11:39:24 AM
sorry about the misspells -- not enough coffee yet.

Good Morning Sister.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I will go back and bump the post for those that might not have seen it. I know she can get 30 years, but that still does not seem to be enough to me.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 11:41:32 AM
I've been curious about the charge of accessory after the fact and Pam Wiggin's possible 30 yr sentence, so I looked thru the FL statutes and found this ODD wording and punishment guidelines:

http://www.flsenate.gov/statutes/index.cfm?App_Mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0777/Sec03.htm&StatuteYear=2004

 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 777
PRINCIPAL; ACCESSORY; ATTEMPT; SOLICITATION; CONSPIRACY View Entire Chapter
 
777.03  Accessory after the fact.--

(1)(a)  Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a felony or been accessory thereto before the fact, with intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b)  Any person, regardless of the relation to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.  
(2)(a)  If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.  
(b)  If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)  Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.

History.--s. 6, sub-ch. 11, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2356; GS 3180; RGS 5010; CGL 7112; s. 700, ch. 71-136; s. 65, ch. 74-383; s. 13, ch. 95-184; s. 16, ch. 97-194; s. 15, ch. 99-168.

Note.--Former s. 776.03.
 
 
 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 775
DEFINITIONS; GENERAL PENALTIES; REGISTRATION OF CRIMINALS View Entire Chapter
 
775.082  Penalties; applicability of sentencing structures; mandatory minimum sentences for certain reoffenders previously released from prison.--

(1)  A person who has been convicted of a capital felony shall be punished by death if the proceeding held to determine sentence according to the procedure set forth in s. 921.141 results in findings by the court that such person shall be punished by death, otherwise such person shall be punished by life imprisonment and shall be ineligible for parole.

(2)  In the event the death penalty in a capital felony is held to be unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme Court or the United States Supreme Court, the court having jurisdiction over a person previously sentenced to death for a capital felony shall cause such person to be brought before the court, and the court shall sentence such person to life imprisonment as provided in subsection (1). No sentence of death shall be reduced as a result of a determination that a method of execution is held to be unconstitutional under the State Constitution or the Constitution of the United States.

(3)  A person who has been convicted of any other designated felony may be punished as follows:

(a)1.  For a life felony committed prior to October 1, 1983, by a term of imprisonment for life or for a term of years not less than 30.

2.  For a life felony committed on or after October 1, 1983, by a term of imprisonment for life or by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 40 years.

3.  For a life felony committed on or after July 1, 1995, by a term of imprisonment for life or by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment.

(b)  For a felony of the first degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 30 years or, when specifically provided by statute, by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life imprisonment.

(c)  For a felony of the second degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 15 years.

(d)  For a felony of the third degree, by a term of imprisonment not exceeding 5 years.

(4)  A person who has been convicted of a designated misdemeanor may be sentenced as follows:

(a)  For a misdemeanor of the first degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 1 year;

(b)  For a misdemeanor of the second degree, by a definite term of imprisonment not exceeding 60 days.

(5)  Any person who has been convicted of a noncriminal violation may not be sentenced to a term of imprisonment nor to any other punishment more severe than a fine, forfeiture, or other civil penalty, except as provided in chapter 316 or by ordinance of any city or county.

(6)  Nothing in this section shall be construed to alter the operation of any statute of this state authorizing a trial court, in its discretion, to impose a sentence of imprisonment for an indeterminate period within minimum and maximum limits as provided by law, except as provided in subsection (1).

(7)  This section does not deprive the court of any authority conferred by law to decree a forfeiture of property, suspend or cancel a license, remove a person from office, or impose any other civil penalty. Such a judgment or order may be included in the sentence.

(8)(a)  The sentencing guidelines that were effective October 1, 1983, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1983, and before January 1, 1994, and to all felonies, except capital felonies and life felonies, committed before October 1, 1983, when the defendant affirmatively selects to be sentenced pursuant to such provisions.

(b)  The 1994 sentencing guidelines, that were effective January 1, 1994, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after January 1, 1994, and before October 1, 1995.

(c)  The 1995 sentencing guidelines that were effective October 1, 1995, and any revisions thereto, apply to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1995, and before October 1, 1998.

(d)  The Criminal Punishment Code applies to all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after October 1, 1998. Any revision to the Criminal Punishment Code applies to sentencing for all felonies, except capital felonies, committed on or after the effective date of the revision.

(e)  Felonies, except capital felonies, with continuing dates of enterprise shall be sentenced under the sentencing guidelines or the Criminal Punishment Code in effect on the beginning date of the criminal activity.

(9)(a)1.  "Prison releasee reoffender" means any defendant who commits, or attempts to commit:

a.  Treason;

b.  Murder;

c.  Manslaughter;

d.  Sexual battery;

e.  Carjacking;

f.  Home-invasion robbery;

g.  Robbery;

h.  Arson;

i.  Kidnapping;

j.  Aggravated assault with a deadly weapon;

k.  Aggravated battery;

l.  Aggravated stalking;

m.  Aircraft piracy;

n.  Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb;

o.  Any felony that involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against an individual;

p.  Armed burglary;

q.  Burglary of a dwelling or burglary of an occupied structure; or

r.  Any felony violation of s. 790.07, s. 800.04, s. 827.03, or s. 827.071;

within 3 years after being released from a state correctional facility operated by the Department of Corrections or a private vendor or within 3 years after being released from a correctional institution of another state, the District of Columbia, the United States, any possession or territory of the United States, or any foreign jurisdiction, following incarceration for an offense for which the sentence is punishable by more than 1 year in this state.

2.  "Prison releasee reoffender" also means any defendant who commits or attempts to commit any offense listed in sub-subparagraphs (a)1.a.-r. while the defendant was serving a prison sentence or on escape status from a state correctional facility operated by the Department of Corrections or a private vendor or while the defendant was on escape status from a correctional institution of another state, the District of Columbia, the United States, any possession or territory of the United States, or any foreign jurisdiction, following incarceration for an offense for which the sentence is punishable by more than 1 year in this state.

3.  If the state attorney determines that a defendant is a prison releasee reoffender as defined in subparagraph 1., the state attorney may seek to have the court sentence the defendant as a prison releasee reoffender. Upon proof from the state attorney that establishes by a preponderance of the evidence that a defendant is a prison releasee reoffender as defined in this section, such defendant is not eligible for sentencing under the sentencing guidelines and must be sentenced as follows:

a.  For a felony punishable by life, by a term of imprisonment for life;

b.  For a felony of the first degree, by a term of imprisonment of 30 years;

c.  For a felony of the second degree, by a term of imprisonment of 15 years; and

d.  For a felony of the third degree, by a term of imprisonment of 5 years.

(b)  A person sentenced under paragraph (a) shall be released only by expiration of sentence and shall not be eligible for parole, control release, or any form of early release. Any person sentenced under paragraph (a) must serve 100 percent of the court-imposed sentence.

(c)  Nothing in this subsection shall prevent a court from imposing a greater sentence of incarceration as authorized by law, pursuant to s. 775.084 or any other provision of law.

(d)1.  It is the intent of the Legislature that offenders previously released from prison who meet the criteria in paragraph (a) be punished to the fullest extent of the law and as provided in this subsection, unless the state attorney determines that extenuating circumstances exist which preclude the just prosecution of the offender, including whether the victim recommends that the offender not be sentenced as provided in this subsection.

2.  For every case in which the offender meets the criteria in paragraph (a) and does not receive the mandatory minimum prison sentence, the state attorney must explain the sentencing deviation in writing and place such explanation in the case file maintained by the state attorney. On an annual basis, each state attorney shall submit copies of deviation memoranda regarding offenses committed on or after the effective date of this subsection, to the president of the Florida Prosecuting Attorneys Association, Inc. The association must maintain such information, and make such information available to the public upon request, for at least a 10-year period.

(10)  The purpose of this section is to provide uniform punishment for those crimes made punishable under this section and, to this end, a reference to this section constitutes a general reference under the doctrine of incorporation by reference.

History.--s. 3, ch. 71-136; ss. 1, 2, ch. 72-118; s. 2, ch. 72-724; s. 5, ch. 74-383; s. 1, ch. 77-174; s. 1, ch. 83-87; s. 1, ch. 94-228; s. 16, ch. 95-184; s. 4, ch. 95-294; s. 2, ch. 97-239; s. 2, ch. 98-3; s. 10, ch. 98-204; s. 2, ch. 99-188; s. 3, ch. 2000-246; s. 1, ch. 2001-239; s. 2, ch. 2002-70; ss. 1, 2, ch. 2002-211.
 
 


BUMPED


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 11:52:21 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9711

Pamela Wiggins Was Once Suspected In $300,000 Arson
July 24, 2009

Pamela Long Wiggins, accused as an accessory in the murders of Pamela and Byrd Billings, was once under suspicion for an arson that caused more than $300,000 in damage in Albany, Georgia.

The Albany Herald reports that Wiggins, 47, was under suspicion of arson according to Albany Fire Chief James Carswell. The newspaper reported:

In Albany she was married in 1988 to Charles Thomas Coco, divorce papers state. She had a son and the couple divorced in September 1992. Coco is now deceased according to a wedding announcement at OnlineAthens.com.

It is unclear whether the 1992 fire happened before or after the divorce.

“The way I understand it, someone went through this property with flammable liquids and set it on fire,” Carswell said. “It caused more than $300,000 worth of damage, according to the report.”

Wiggins remains free on $10,000 bail on the accessory charge in the Billings murder. Her next scheduled court appearance is an arraignment hearing on August 6.

For the complete story from the Albany Herald, click here.



link to Albany Herald article (From July 17)

http://www.albanyherald.com/main.asp?SectionID=1&SubSectionID=1&ArticleID=4317


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 11:56:11 AM
Sorry if this is a repeat.  There is also a video at this link:

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Wiggins_Mum_On_Association_With_Murder

Wiggins mum on
association with murder
Updated: Thursday, 23 Jul 2009, 7:13 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 23 Jul 2009, 5:37 PM CDT

Hubert Tate
Liz Nelson
Photojournalist: Franz Barraza
GULF BREEZE, Fla. - Pamela Long Wiggins is the only suspect in the murder case of Byrd and Melanie Billings who's out of jail.

Wednesday evening, FOX10 spotted her walking into a Gulf Breeze restaurant. So we waited outside for her to come out, so she could tell her side of the story. She didn't tell us anything, but gave us a quick smile.

Deputies first took her in for questioning after she was found at an Orange Beach Marina. She was on a yacht called the Classy Lady. A few hours later, she was arrested and charged with accessory after the fact. Her bond was set at $10,000.

"We had reservations on bonding her out. The judge gave her a bond, a low bond. Didn't see on the news as one of the seven. We said we'd give her a chance," said bailsbondsman Wallace Haywood.

Former longtime Baldwin County District Attorney David Whetstone says there may be several reasons Wiggins was given such a low bond.

"Some of the reasons the state would not ask for such a bond, or allow this to happen, is that she is cooperating. Or it may be her involvement is very minimal as opposed to the others," said Whetstone.

Investigators say a safe stolen from the Billings home was found buried in Wiggins backyard. It was buried under a pile of bricks.

Investigators also say wiggins left her mini-van near the Billings home, to aid in the get-away plan. Whetstone says the case looks weird from top to bottom.

"Somebody had to believe there was something in that safe, whether it was true or not that they had to get. Whether it was money or information or something, something bad against them, whatever it was, it was that important."

For now, Wiggins will remain out of jail. Her involvement will ultimately be determined in a courtroom.

Two weeks from Thursday, Wiggins will be in court for an arraignment.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 12:05:52 PM
What resturant was that she was walking out of, ISLAND??
Looks like she didn't have a care in the world. I wonder who that guy was with her? Do we have a mug shot of Hugh Wiggins?

 How could her part be minimal when she was in on the planning of the MURDER OF TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOME? If she left that car there, she knew what was happening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 12:30:33 PM
What resturant was that she was walking out of, ISLAND??
Looks like she didn't have a care in the world. I wonder who that guy was with her? Do we have a mug shot of Hugh Wiggins?

 How could her part be minimal when she was in on the planning of the MURDER OF TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOME? If she left that car there, she knew what was happening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here is a screen shot from that video of the man with Pam.  It is from the back because they blacked out his face from the front.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Wiggins.jpg)

Now we just need a photo of Hugh Wiggins to compare.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 12:37:50 PM
What resturant was that she was walking out of, ISLAND??
Looks like she didn't have a care in the world. I wonder who that guy was with her? Do we have a mug shot of Hugh Wiggins?

 How could her part be minimal when she was in on the planning of the MURDER OF TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOME? If she left that car there, she knew what was happening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here is a screen shot from that video of the man with Pam.  It is from the back because they blacked out his face from the front.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Wiggins.jpg)

Now we just need a photo of Hugh Wiggins to compare.

Was that yellow thing a jeep with a diesel engine??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 12:42:36 PM
What resturant was that she was walking out of, ISLAND??
Looks like she didn't have a care in the world. I wonder who that guy was with her? Do we have a mug shot of Hugh Wiggins?

 How could her part be minimal when she was in on the planning of the MURDER OF TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOME? If she left that car there, she knew what was happening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Zaxby's in Gulf Breeze.......I'll try to find a photo of Hugh Wiggins. I don't think her part was minimal, I think her being out on bond was a calculated move to see where it leads. Also, I do think she knew about it wayyyyyyy before, but it seems that is covered in the Statute posted (which IS odd).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 12:45:46 PM
What resturant was that she was walking out of, ISLAND??
Looks like she didn't have a care in the world. I wonder who that guy was with her? Do we have a mug shot of Hugh Wiggins?

 How could her part be minimal when she was in on the planning of the MURDER OF TWO PEOPLE IN THEIR OWN HOME? If she left that car there, she knew what was happening.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Here is a screen shot from that video of the man with Pam.  It is from the back because they blacked out his face from the front.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Wiggins.jpg)

Now we just need a photo of Hugh Wiggins to compare.

Was that yellow thing a jeep with a diesel engine??

It looked like a jeep to me, but I'm not a car person & don't know about diesel.  Sorry


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 12:56:47 PM
Found the video on youtube & here is a screen shot from the front:

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Wiggins2.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 01:05:58 PM
Found the video on youtube & here is a screen shot from the front:

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Wiggins2.jpg)

Thanks Cece, and thanks for the screen capture of the Classy Lady from the other day, the photo you posted makes me believe that the following IS the interior of the classy lady, and it was uploaded from Leonard Gonzales, Jr on July 7th from a smart phone to his myspace......one day I will learn to do a screen capture ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 01:11:50 PM
Thanks for all your input IM.  I rely on you & Fanny Mae for the local background there.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(And all other monkeys contributing!)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 01:13:21 PM
Gotta get some work done, but will check back in later.  Enjoy your afternoon.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 01:19:11 PM
Thanks for all your input IM.  I rely on you & Fanny Mae for the local background there.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(And all other monkeys contributing!)

Thank cece, but I'm only recently local ::MonkeyWink:: been here 16 months, and only to Gulf Breeze suburbs 4 times, Fanny probably know a heck of alot more than I do, I just get to hear the rumors swirling


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 01:34:56 PM
Thanks for all your input IM.  I rely on you & Fanny Mae for the local background there.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(And all other monkeys contributing!)

Thank cece, but I'm only recently local ::MonkeyWink:: been here 16 months, and only to Gulf Breeze suburbs 4 times, Fanny probably know a heck of alot more than I do, I just get to hear the rumors swirling

I still have contacts in the area. I do what I can.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 24, 2009, 02:14:41 PM
Thanks for all the info, that sure doesn't seem like a lot of money to give someone for a contract killing, or maybe I watch to much tv and movies. And then to divide it with all the people involved, and one would think with a contract killing, you wouldn't involve so many people  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 02:25:26 PM
Admiralty Lien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 24, 2009, 02:27:42 PM
I agree that is the motive, and I have to say I have never heard of an admiralty lien before  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 02:39:12 PM
I agree that is the motive, and I have to say I have never heard of an admiralty lien before  ::MonkeyEek::

A common thing around ports and shipping. Carries a lot of clout... It is more like International Law.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sounds to me like someone has found an old wreck in the waters off the US...and someone wasn't forthcoming with what they found. This could get REALLY interesting. JMO

I wonder if one of the gang was a diver? Patrick Gonzalez maybe?? I wonder if Henry has a nice big boat?? With sonar?   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 02:47:19 PM
I agree that is the motive, and I have to say I have never heard of an admiralty lien before  ::MonkeyEek::

A common thing around ports and shipping. Carries a lot of clout... It is more like International Law.  ::MonkeyCool::

Sounds to me like someone has found an old wreck in the waters off the US...and someone wasn't forthcoming with what they found. This could get REALLY interesting. JMO

I wonder if one of the gang was a diver? Patrick Gonzalez maybe?? I wonder if Henry has a nice big boat?? With sonar?   ::MonkeyRoll::

I wonder if Tice could have funded the boat for Pamela Wiggins, as I recall it was a fairly (within the least 18 months) new purchase?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:06:37 PM
I remember this from early on......





Our research has found an admiralty lien for $10 million in silver coin or equivalent value of $50 million in Federal Reserve note against Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe by Byrd Starling Billings. Billings and his wife were murder last week. Not sure how this ties into the murders, but it does look like a “Humdinger.”

 



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 03:24:12 PM
I remember this from early on......





Our research has found an admiralty lien for $10 million in silver coin or equivalent value of $50 million in Federal Reserve note against Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe by Byrd Starling Billings. Billings and his wife were murder last week. Not sure how this ties into the murders, but it does look like a “Humdinger.”

 



Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe:

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/2008-0017.pdf


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
Admiralty Lien: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiralty_law

 ::MonkeyTongue:: Finally found it..here is the link to the admiralty lien:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2006043910.pdf


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:29:42 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


This Ann Simmons owed him over 30m for a 1993 Ford Pickup????????????

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2005405777.pdf


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 03:36:37 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:45:59 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 03:48:16 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


This Ann Simmons owed him over 30m for a 1993 Ford Pickup????????????

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2005405777.pdf

$32,000 for a 1993 Pick up in 2005? Was it gold plated??? I have a headache.

Did you see what that other doc was on Bledsoe? It was involving a muder in WV and involved Fl.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 03:49:29 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

And thus why I said I have a headache.  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:54:34 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

And thus why I said I have a headache.  ::MonkeyTongue::

Me too.........I'm gonna indulge-want to share these


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 03:59:54 PM
Larry Plumley was found dead March 24, 2002, on his boat at Mahogany LaneLanding Marina Slip, Escambia County, Florida, unmarried and intestate. By FloridaState Medical Examiner's Office, he was deemed to have died by suicide from a20-gauge shotgun wound to the head, it was reported by one RP "Philip" Kingry, whowas in possession of the key to Larry's boat in dock in the Marina, that he had heardthat Larry had told people at the Marina that his mother had "just passed away."(Trans., p. 29; Plaintiffs Exhibit No. 1)


http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:fAhtlnVQkK8J:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Appellant.pdf+larry+plumley+%2B+pensacola&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:04:14 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Ok~here is one of his records Larry Plumley (Lynette's dad), he sexually abused her according to the above link and this link seems to confirm it:

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/xml_or_1b.asp?uinstr=1996315915





Crap I need a drink ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 24, 2009, 04:13:27 PM
I think that Byrd filed the lien against Lynette for using one of the children's copyrighted names.

All of that copyright stuff that Byrd did was done under Admiralty Law.

I am probably totally wrong...just a thought due to her previous occupation.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:15:33 PM
http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/apnews/stories/032702/D7IGVUAO4.html

Search for Pensacola suicide victim's kin turns up murdered mom



The Associated Press

PENSACOLA, Fla. - The search for a Pensacola suicide victim's family member led to the body of his mother, whom he apparently killed in West Virginia before returning here to take his life, authorities said.

Larry Mitchell Plumley, 54, was found shot to death Sunday on the 25-foot sailboat he lived on docked at a Pensacola marina. Escambia County sheriff's deputies said they found a 20-guage shotgun near his body.

The Escambia deputies then contacted the Raleigh County, W.Va., sheriff's office to find his mother, Margaret Plumley, 77, whose car was parked at the marina with another shotgun in the back seat.

When West Virginia deputies went to her home they found her body hidden in another building on the property. She had been shot in her house and then the body was dragged to the other building, according to an investigative report issued Monday.

Information from: Pensacola News Journal


 ::MonkeyTongue:: Ok, question.............how on earth could this man be a debtor in the amount of 50mm to Byrd Billings?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:17:00 PM
I think that Byrd filed the lien against Lynette for using one of the children's copyrighted names.

All of that copyright stuff that Byrd did was done under Admiralty Law.

I am probably totally wrong...just a thought due to her previous occupation.


You could be right as I thought I read that, but this looks weirder the more I did into it and I thought I read somewhere that Larry Plumley was the original one who owned the debt.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
I think that Byrd filed the lien against Lynette for using one of the children's copyrighted names.

All of that copyright stuff that Byrd did was done under Admiralty Law.

I am probably totally wrong...just a thought due to her previous occupation.

I thought the same thing at first. But now, after the Plumly docs, I am not so sure. Especially since he had a P'cola connection. Maybe coincidence, but now I don't know.  Were there other admiralty liens filed against other Child Protection Investigators? Do we have docs on any more of them?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:27:05 PM
I think that Byrd filed the lien against Lynette for using one of the children's copyrighted names.

All of that copyright stuff that Byrd did was done under Admiralty Law.

I am probably totally wrong...just a thought due to her previous occupation.

I thought the same thing at first. But now, after the Plumly docs, I am not so sure. Especially since he had a P'cola connection. Maybe coincidence, but now I don't know.  Were there other admiralty liens filed against other Child Protection Investigators? Do we have docs on any more of them?

Not that I could find......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 04:30:29 PM
I think that Byrd filed the lien against Lynette for using one of the children's copyrighted names.

All of that copyright stuff that Byrd did was done under Admiralty Law.

I am probably totally wrong...just a thought due to her previous occupation.

I thought the same thing at first. But now, after the Plumly docs, I am not so sure. Especially since he had a P'cola connection. Maybe coincidence, but now I don't know.  Were there other admiralty liens filed against other Child Protection Investigators? Do we have docs on any more of them?

Not that I could find......

It just seems like a very strange way to sue someone. The wording is very specific.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 04:35:12 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


This Ann Simmons owed him over 30m for a 1993 Ford Pickup????????????

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2005405777.pdf

Must be a very high interest rate?   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:39:11 PM
::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


This Ann Simmons owed him over 30m for a 1993 Ford Pickup????????????

http://www.escambiaclerk.com/MyImages/2005405777.pdf

Must be a very high interest rate?   ::MonkeyLaugh::

Agreed...... ::MonkeyDevil:: I wish my $$ earned that much interest (what little I even have)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 04:43:25 PM
I am now just as confused as I am when I am reading over on Lindsay Baums' thread.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Bless her little soul.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 24, 2009, 04:45:53 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 04:48:15 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:48:18 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::

I meant your estate can inherits the debt........I know, I'm loding my mind at this point


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 24, 2009, 04:50:50 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::

I should have added....when no tangible property is involved.
If you inherit a house and money is owed on the house, you would have to pay the debt
to keep the house,  but it doesn't look like this man owned anything, since he died indigent.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 24, 2009, 04:53:27 PM
I am now just as confused as I am when I am reading over on Lindsay Baums' thread.  ::MonkeyConfused::

Bless her little soul.  ::MonkeyAngel::
Me too  ::MonkeyConfused::  But this is all very fascinating.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 04:57:30 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Larry Plumley killed his mother, then came back to P-Cola and committed suicide (post #527), and yes Lynette was his daughter, although he had no contact due to a restraining order and serving time in prison for lewd and lasivious........I posted it earlier today and now I need a drink.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 24, 2009, 04:59:00 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

The way I read it.....Larry was Margaret's son and he had a brother.
She left her estate to her two sons.  Larry killed her and then drove to Florida and killed himself.
The will said that should one of her sons die before her then the other would get the whole estate.

Larry's brother was trying to claim the whole estate and Lynette filed the papers saying that her father could not have died before her grandmother, since her father killed the grandmother and she should have his half.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 04:59:01 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Nevermind!  I just caught up & you guys answered all my questions.  Thank you.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 05:03:40 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

The way I read it.....Larry was Margaret's son and he had a brother.
She left her estate to her two sons.  Larry killed her and then drove to Florida and killed himself.
The will said that should one of her sons die before her then the other would get the whole estate.

Larry's brother was trying to claim the whole estate and Lynette filed the papers saying that her father could not have died before her grandmother, since her father killed the grandmother and she should have his half.

Thank you so much Magnolia.  Between fighting with Internet Explorer & trying to understand that document... ::MonkeyWaa::

Thank goodness it is 5:00.  I need a drink after all that.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 24, 2009, 05:04:13 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::  BBL~I'm heading out to the Sandshaker for a Bushwhacker........CYL ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 05:06:07 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  BBL~I'm heading out to the Sandshaker for a Bushwhacker........CYL ::MonkeyWink::

Enjoy!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 05:10:07 PM
Lynette Yvonnne Bledsoe: WTF?

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:dy9cdN7sERgJ:www.state.wv.us/WVSCA/briefs/31764Reply.pdf+Lynette+Yvonne+Bledsoe,+Fl&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Ok, so Larry Plumley (who killed himself) owed Byrd Billings the 50mm, then I guess it passed down to Lynette Bledsoe (Larry's daughter)????? That's MOTIVE!!!!!!! AND, did I see she was a DCF worker or am I going crazy?

 ::MonkeyConfused::  I am so confused!  Help!  Is that document claiming that Larry Plumley killed Margaret Plumley (wife?) & then committed suicide?  And Lynette Yvonne Bledsoe (the former DCF employee) was their daughter?
 ::MonkeyConfused::

I think Margaret was her Grandmother and Larry was Lynette' father. I think....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
::MonkeyTongue::  BBL~I'm heading out to the Sandshaker for a Bushwhacker........CYL ::MonkeyWink::

Have fun!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 05:14:35 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::

I should have added....when no tangible property is involved.
If you inherit a house and money is owed on the house, you would have to pay the debt
to keep the house,  but it doesn't look like this man owned anything, since he died indigent.

What about his sailboat. Did Byrd hold the financing on it?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 24, 2009, 05:23:07 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::

I should have added....when no tangible property is involved.
If you inherit a house and money is owed on the house, you would have to pay the debt
to keep the house,  but it doesn't look like this man owned anything, since he died indigent.

What about his sailboat. Did Byrd hold the financing on it?


The newspaper said that he died indigent.  It is hard to believe that a 25' sailboat would be would
be worth millions.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
I don't think you can inherit a debt or that a debt can be passed down. ::MonkeyConfused::

I should have added....when no tangible property is involved.
If you inherit a house and money is owed on the house, you would have to pay the debt
to keep the house,  but it doesn't look like this man owned anything, since he died indigent.

What about his sailboat. Did Byrd hold the financing on it?


The newspaper said that he died indigent.  It is hard to believe that a 25' sailboat would be would
be worth millions.

No, Hardly.  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I just was wondering if there was some kind of business dealings with Mr Billings. He would hardly be indigent if he owned the sailboat outright.  But really I was wonder if there was dealings with Mr. Tice. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 24, 2009, 07:16:02 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Murder_Suspect_Loses_Military_Pay

Murder suspect loses
military pay

Updated: Friday, 24 Jul 2009, 5:38 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 24 Jul 2009, 5:38 PM CDT

    * Hubert Tate
    * Liz Nelson
    * Photojournalist: Franz Barraza

BEULAH, Fla. - Sargeant Donnie Stallworth is still a member of the Untied States Air Force. However, he is not receiving a paycheck as he sits behind bars at the Escambia County, Alabama jail.

"When members are taken into confinement, they are no longer entitled to pay and allowances," said Staff Sergeant Mareshah Haynes.

Stallworth graduated from T.R. Miller High School in 1999. He's been active duty since 2000.

Military representatives say an airmen with his rank and experience makes $2,670 a month.

But when Stallworth was arrested more than two weeks ago in connection with the Billings murder, those payments stopped. If Stallworth is convicted, his time in the Air force will officially come to an end.

"Any additional action taken by the Air Force would occur after the investigations are complete. However, military members are subject to discharge for committing serious civilian offenses," said Sgt. Haynes.

The Air Force does confirm they are working with Escambia County Sheriff's deputies in their investigation, but wouldn't comment on much after that.

Sgt. Haynes said, "The Air Force believes in a fair investigation and we don't want to comment to jeopardize the integrity of the case."

However, Stallworth is innocent until proven guilty. He is still waiting for extradition papers to be signed. Until then, he will remain at the county jail in Brewton.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 24, 2009, 08:06:07 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Murder_Suspect_Loses_Military_Pay

Murder suspect loses
military pay

Updated: Friday, 24 Jul 2009, 5:38 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 24 Jul 2009, 5:38 PM CDT

    * Hubert Tate
    * Liz Nelson
    * Photojournalist: Franz Barraza

BEULAH, Fla. - Sargeant Donnie Stallworth is still a member of the Untied States Air Force. However, he is not receiving a paycheck as he sits behind bars at the Escambia County, Alabama jail.

"When members are taken into confinement, they are no longer entitled to pay and allowances," said Staff Sergeant Mareshah Haynes.

Stallworth graduated from T.R. Miller High School in 1999. He's been active duty since 2000.

Military representatives say an airmen with his rank and experience makes $2,670 a month.

But when Stallworth was arrested more than two weeks ago in connection with the Billings murder, those payments stopped. If Stallworth is convicted, his time in the Air force will officially come to an end.

"Any additional action taken by the Air Force would occur after the investigations are complete. However, military members are subject to discharge for committing serious civilian offenses," said Sgt. Haynes.

The Air Force does confirm they are working with Escambia County Sheriff's deputies in their investigation, but wouldn't comment on much after that.

Sgt. Haynes said, "The Air Force believes in a fair investigation and we don't want to comment to jeopardize the integrity of the case."

However, Stallworth is innocent until proven guilty. He is still waiting for extradition papers to be signed. Until then, he will remain at the county jail in Brewton.


I wonder what Sgt Donnie Stallworth did in the Air Force??  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 12:28:39 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GoodAfternoon.gif)

I found this Fanny Mae:

http://www.militarycorruption.com/stallworth.htm

THE SHAME OF HURLBURT FIELD - STAFF SGT
DONNIE RAY STALLWORTH ARRESTED IN BRUTAL
SLAYING OF WEALTHY COUPLE IN BEULAH, FL
NONCOM HELD WITHOUT BAIL - FIRST ARRIVED AT
BASE IN JUNE 2000 - MEMBER OF 1ST SPECIAL
OPERATIONS AC MAINTENANCE SQUADRON

A Hurlburt Field airman has been arrested in the brutal killing of a wealthy couple who took in and raised developmentally disadvantaged kids in Beulah, Florida.

Staff Sgt. Donnie Ray Stallworth is one of seven men in custody after the chilling "home invasion" robbery earlier this month of Byrd and Melanie Billings in neighboring Escambia County.

Investigators are not releasing much information as to motive, except that robbery of a home safe was one of the alleged killers' goals. Our sources in Fort Walton Beach tell us that there could be a drug angle to the grisly killings as well.

Surveillance cameras caught on film a red van leaving the scene of the murders and also recorded several images that enabled police detectives to quickly close in on the killers.

Byrd, 68 and his 43 year-old wife Melanie were shot "execution style" in the expensive nine-bedroom home they shared with their beloved handicapped children.

The couple was known to have a lot of money and were well-regarded in the little Florida community, which sits in an isolated part of Escambia County near the Alabama state line.

MilitaryCorruption.com has learned that Stallworth was a member of the 1st Special Operations AC Maintenance Squadron at Hurlburt Field. He joined the Air Force nine years ago, and has been at the local base since June of 2000.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 12:55:45 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/07/brewton_residents_shocked_loca.html

Brewton residents shocked local man charged in notorious Florida slayings
Posted by Connie Baggett, Staff Reporter July 16, 2009 5:00 AM

Brewton native Donnie Ray Stallworth Jr., a 28-year-old Air Force staff sergeant accused of murder in last week's shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, served in Iraq and Afghanistan as an aircraft mechanic, according to public information officers at Hurlburt Field, near Fort Walton Beach, where Stallworth was stationed.

Stallworth is one of eight people facing charges in the slayings.
 

Hurlburt Field is the headquarters of the Air Force Special Operations Command, an elite unit designed to handle, among other missions, unconventional warfare and counter-terrorism. Stallworth, however, did not serve in a ground combat role. He maintained gunships and received only the standard combat training given all servicemen in the Air Force, Hurlburt spokesmen said Wednesday.


The Stallworths separated when Donnie Ray Jr. was young, according to family friends. But many people in Brewton described both parents as wonderful people. Brenda Stallworth is a longtime worker at the county Department of Human Resources. Donnie Ray Stallworth Sr. runs a used car lot in Milton, Fla.

(snipped parts of the article.)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 25, 2009, 12:58:26 PM
I found this on Rick's blog:


 Professor "L" says:
July 19, 2009 at 5:10 pm
During the Sheriff race last yr, all of the candidates, except Ronnie Mac, was informed that a car dealer in the Pensacola area was giving a green light when his load of use cars would arrive in one of those large Truck Car Hualers. Said used cars were being used to transport narcotics. Why is the DEA involved??? Was the motive for the hit for failure to pay for pass shipment???? Financing use car lots does not strick me as being that big of deal, money wise, to have someone bumped off, including his wife…Maybe Ricks sources is giving out false leads to throw off investigaters from investigating all of the big time drug dealers here in P-cola…just a thought????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:04:02 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GoodAfternoon.gif)

I found this Fanny Mae:

http://www.militarycorruption.com/stallworth.htm

THE SHAME OF HURLBURT FIELD - STAFF SGT
DONNIE RAY STALLWORTH ARRESTED IN BRUTAL
SLAYING OF WEALTHY COUPLE IN BEULAH, FL
NONCOM HELD WITHOUT BAIL - FIRST ARRIVED AT
BASE IN JUNE 2000 - MEMBER OF 1ST SPECIAL
OPERATIONS AC MAINTENANCE SQUADRON

A Hurlburt Field airman has been arrested in the brutal killing of a wealthy couple who took in and raised developmentally disadvantaged kids in Beulah, Florida.

Staff Sgt. Donnie Ray Stallworth is one of seven men in custody after the chilling "home invasion" robbery earlier this month of Byrd and Melanie Billings in neighboring Escambia County.

Investigators are not releasing much information as to motive, except that robbery of a home safe was one of the alleged killers' goals. Our sources in Fort Walton Beach tell us that there could be a drug angle to the grisly killings as well.

Surveillance cameras caught on film a red van leaving the scene of the murders and also recorded several images that enabled police detectives to quickly close in on the killers.

Byrd, 68 and his 43 year-old wife Melanie were shot "execution style" in the expensive nine-bedroom home they shared with their beloved handicapped children.

The couple was known to have a lot of money and were well-regarded in the little Florida community, which sits in an isolated part of Escambia County near the Alabama state line.

MilitaryCorruption.com has learned that Stallworth was a member of the 1st Special Operations AC Maintenance Squadron at Hurlburt Field. He joined the Air Force nine years ago, and has been at the local base since June of 2000.

Thanks Cece. Just a guess on my part, but I am thinking he was a mechanic of some kind, either on aircraft or other kind of vehicles. Maybe he was tired of pulling wrenches and having grease under his fingernails. He threw all his years away with the military, that's for sure. I wonder how Mrs. Stallworth feels about this? I wonder why he is still in an Alabama jail and not back in Florida. I understand the Govenor of Alabama signed his extriction papers last week. It makes it too comfortable to be close to his family visits.

So many questions, so few answers.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: AZSunny on July 25, 2009, 01:04:55 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/07/brewton_residents_shocked_loca.html

Brewton residents shocked local man charged in notorious Florida slayings
Posted by Connie Baggett, Staff Reporter July 16, 2009 5:00 AM

Brewton native Donnie Ray Stallworth Jr., a 28-year-old Air Force staff sergeant accused of murder in last week's shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, served in Iraq and Afghanistan as an aircraft mechanic, according to public information officers at Hurlburt Field, near Fort Walton Beach, where Stallworth was stationed.

Stallworth is one of eight people facing charges in the slayings.
 

Hurlburt Field is the headquarters of the Air Force Special Operations Command, an elite unit designed to handle, among other missions, unconventional warfare and counter-terrorism. Stallworth, however, did not serve in a ground combat role. He maintained gunships and received only the standard combat training given all servicemen in the Air Force, Hurlburt spokesmen said Wednesday.


The Stallworths separated when Donnie Ray Jr. was young, according to family friends. But many people in Brewton described both parents as wonderful people. Brenda Stallworth is a longtime worker at the county Department of Human Resources. Donnie Ray Stallworth Sr. runs a used car lot in Milton, Fla.
(snipped parts of the article.)

The highlighted area stood out for me.  There has to be some connection to all the used car lots and financing.  Then when it was said that used cars were being used to transfer narcotics?   where did i put my Hinky meter?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:13:34 PM
I am bringing my posts from last night on another thread.

There is certainly some undercurrents there. No doubt about it.   

I have been on the phone today. Maybe we will dig up something. I am trying. I am pretty sure there are several big boats owned by several people, just by the location and the kind of money we are dealing with. I am wondering if the Billings had a big boat. It is hard to find out now due to the new terrorist laws. I don't know for sure, but I suspect whatever is going on, has to do with the ports. That is just my opinion. I could be wrong. I have been wrong before.   



The Honduran Woods set my hinky meter off to begin with. The Customs Agents on the docks have found drugs in load of mahogany coming in from South America. They cut a hole in the middle of a pallet of lumber and put packages of drugs in them and then put whole lumber pieces on top of it. They cannot check every pallet and some slips through. The other is that HCT is an importer of cars, and that is another way that drugs are smuggled in. The Mexican Gang story and the DEA being involved is another reason. I'll keep digging. 



Well, if they would be a little more forthcoming, and not act like the public are idiots. Telling us that it is a simple case of home invasion period, just makes me more determined. In the first place, P.G. Jr is an admitted criminal type, but he is cunning, and slick. He would not make the mistakes they are trying to say that he did. It is not a gang that couldn't shoot straight. Something fell through, big time. Now they have all gone underground. JMO





The sheriff seems to be link a dog with a muzzle. He's got a lot to say, and the DA won't let him. I know protect the case and all that jazz, but there is something else. I hate to think protecting someone, but he has been in the area for a long time, and has made many friends and connections. I'm pretty sure he has a big boat too, and moves in some of the same circles. JMO



If they wanted to do a home invasion, I am sure it would have been much easier in the daytime with Mrs Billings and a few helpers. They would have thought first of protecting the children and would have given them anything to keep them safe. The combinations to the safes, where the money and jewelry was, anything. NO, they went in when the KNEW Byrd and Mrs Billings would be there, and they knew they were going to kill them both to begin with. Anything else was gravy, plus what they had been promised by whoever wanted the hit. Something else is driving this. JMO



See thats the thing. When Whoraldo put up that banner after he interviewed Sheriff Morgan that he was an inexperiece Sheriff and had to call in Federal help, that was bullshit. I still never found that YouTube by the way, and Cece looked too. She is pretty good.

I felt something there when that was done like it was what the DA in mind. Morgan only on as sheriff for a few month, but he had twenty years in law inforcement in the Air Force, and I don't think he sat at a desk and all he did was sharpen pencils. He was well trained for what he did, maybe more so in some technical things, and foresics. There is something else going on that the DA does not want out. It's maddening. So the case is working up to be another circus, while Pamela strolls around Gulf Breeze, and a grocery store or resturant near you. Folks better duck their heads when shes around. JMO



You can be sure that there is polictical sides involved in this. It just seem to me that Eddins is throwing out that Morgan  is inexperienced and he is calling the shots. YOu can bee sure there is a little power play here because he has been there longer. He can tell you cannot win this case if you go for it. How long this back and forth is going on, dont't know




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 01:17:16 PM
I found this on Rick's blog:


 Professor "L" says:
July 19, 2009 at 5:10 pm
During the Sheriff race last yr, all of the candidates, except Ronnie Mac, was informed that a car dealer in the Pensacola area was giving a green light when his load of use cars would arrive in one of those large Truck Car Hualers. Said used cars were being used to transport narcotics. Why is the DEA involved??? Was the motive for the hit for failure to pay for pass shipment???? Financing use car lots does not strick me as being that big of deal, money wise, to have someone bumped off, including his wife…Maybe Ricks sources is giving out false leads to throw off investigaters from investigating all of the big time drug dealers here in P-cola…just a thought????


Thank you Magnolia.  I think this is going to turn out to be bigger than what they want us to believe at this point.  I think there will be even more arrests.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/07/brewton_residents_shocked_loca.html

Brewton residents shocked local man charged in notorious Florida slayings
Posted by Connie Baggett, Staff Reporter July 16, 2009 5:00 AM

Brewton native Donnie Ray Stallworth Jr., a 28-year-old Air Force staff sergeant accused of murder in last week's shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, served in Iraq and Afghanistan as an aircraft mechanic, according to public information officers at Hurlburt Field, near Fort Walton Beach, where Stallworth was stationed.

Stallworth is one of eight people facing charges in the slayings.
 

Hurlburt Field is the headquarters of the Air Force Special Operations Command, an elite unit designed to handle, among other missions, unconventional warfare and counter-terrorism. Stallworth, however, did not serve in a ground combat role. He maintained gunships and received only the standard combat training given all servicemen in the Air Force, Hurlburt spokesmen said Wednesday.


The Stallworths separated when Donnie Ray Jr. was young, according to family friends. But many people in Brewton described both parents as wonderful people. Brenda Stallworth is a longtime worker at the county Department of Human Resources. Donnie Ray Stallworth Sr. runs a used car lot in Milton, Fla.
(snipped parts of the article.)

The highlighted area stood out for me.  There has to be some connection to all the used car lots and financing.  Then when it was said that used cars were being used to transfer narcotics?   where did i put my Hinky meter?

That stood out for me too AZ.  There sure are a lot of used car connections. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:22:14 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/07/brewton_residents_shocked_loca.html

Brewton residents shocked local man charged in notorious Florida slayings
Posted by Connie Baggett, Staff Reporter July 16, 2009 5:00 AM

Brewton native Donnie Ray Stallworth Jr., a 28-year-old Air Force staff sergeant accused of murder in last week's shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings, served in Iraq and Afghanistan as an aircraft mechanic, according to public information officers at Hurlburt Field, near Fort Walton Beach, where Stallworth was stationed.

Stallworth is one of eight people facing charges in the slayings.
 

Hurlburt Field is the headquarters of the Air Force Special Operations Command, an elite unit designed to handle, among other missions, unconventional warfare and counter-terrorism. Stallworth, however, did not serve in a ground combat role. He maintained gunships and received only the standard combat training given all servicemen in the Air Force, Hurlburt spokesmen said Wednesday.


The Stallworths separated when Donnie Ray Jr. was young, according to family friends. But many people in Brewton described both parents as wonderful people. Brenda Stallworth is a longtime worker at the county Department of Human Resources. Donnie Ray Stallworth Sr. runs a used car lot in Milton, Fla.
(snipped parts of the article.)

The highlighted area stood out for me.  There has to be some connection to all the used car lots and financing.  Then when it was said that used cars were being used to transfer narcotics?   where did i put my Hinky meter?

Let's face it, their is not much profit in used cars unless you are financing them. That is where the money is. All these people involved in "used" cars, and imported cars.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:32:20 PM
I am also curious if these money people have invested in a small freighter, a coastal runner that runs from the Carribean areas, upper South America to the US. Or maybe have interest in a stevedoring company or a shipping agent. P'cola is not a large port, but it is there. There are also port facilities in Panama City and other small coatal cities. Of course, Mobile is a bigger port, but there are also facilities in Gulfport, and Pascagoula Ms. Then there are the shrimp boats, all along the coast. Just some things to think about......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 01:40:49 PM
This was the only video I could find from Geraldo on the Billingses murders & it looks like it isn't the full version:

http://www.youtube.com/v/NkdVAP-HU_k&hl=en&fs=1


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 01:44:22 PM
I am also curious if these money people have invested in a small freighter, a coastal runner that runs from the Carribean areas, upper South America to the US. Or maybe have interest in a stevedoring company or a shipping agent. P'cola is not a large port, but it is there. There are also port facilities in Panama City and other small coatal cities. Of course, Mobile is a bigger port, but there are also facilities in Gulfport, and Pascagoula Ms. Then there are the shrimp boats, all along the coast. Just some things to think about......


Like you said Fanny Mae, Too many unanswered questions.  This thing could lead in many different directions.  There had to be a lot more money involved in this & I think more people.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:56:00 PM
This was the only video I could find from Geraldo on the Billingses murders & it looks like it isn't the full version:

http://www.youtube.com/v/NkdVAP-HU_k&hl=en&fs=1

It was after this part. Sheriff Morgan spoke next. He was very polite and well spoken. Whorlado started grilling him pretty good, and said that the DEA being there meant more than a simple home invasion to him. The sheriff would say not more.

After they got through speaking, and started talking to his "panel" of talking heads, that's when the banner was put up and said "The inexperienced Shreriff had to call in for Federal help," loosly quoted. That is the part that got my dander up. He certainly didn't call the sheriff inexperienced to his face. I don't even know why people even bother to go on his show. Whoraldo makes an azz of himself all the time. Too bad he wasn't washed out to sea in Hurricane Ike. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 01:58:57 PM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


http://www.youtube.com/v/FziScjyf4Ic&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 25, 2009, 02:45:03 PM
::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


http://www.youtube.com/v/FziScjyf4Ic&hl=en&fs=1&


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

That is the best all time Geraldo video!!!  (JMO)  I am not a fan of his at all!

Thanks for the recap of the interview about the Billings video.  I didn't see the show, so I appreciate the info.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 25, 2009, 06:32:59 PM
Fanny Mae said: Let's face it, their is not much profit in used cars unless you are financing them. That is where the money is. All these people involved in "used" cars, and imported cars.

Dear Friend, I disagree with you.  In many cases, there is a higher profit margin in used cars.  I have several friends who own used car lots, do not use in house financing, but use bank financing or finance companies, and they make a very, very good living.  New car sales have so many tiers and midddle, middle people -- that salespeople usually have a very limited bottom line.  Not so with used cars.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 06:42:07 PM
Fanny Mae said: Let's face it, their is not much profit in used cars unless you are financing them. That is where the money is. All these people involved in "used" cars, and imported cars.

Dear Friend, I disagree with you.  In many cases, there is a higher profit margin in used cars.  I have several friends who own used car lots, do not use in house financing, but use bank financing or finance companies, and they make a very, very good living.  New car sales have so many tiers and midddle, middle people -- that salespeople usually have a very limited bottom line.  Not so with used cars.  JMO

I agree with you about the used car dealers. I just think we are talking about people with a lot more money that buying and selling used cars. I don't think the DEA would be interested in used car dealers and car detailers in general.

 I am more interested in the import businesses myself. I am almost crosseyed from tripping down memory lane today.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 06:44:59 PM
I meant to say also, that I am sure Byrd Billings was doing exceptionally well in the used car business, because he was also doing the financing to people who would otherwise not get credit. I would think the finance charges would be astronomical.

It is some of the other people I am more interested in.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 07:03:51 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 07:49:59 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 07:52:17 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)


Link for posted picture:
http://www.classmates.com/directory/public/memberprofile/list.htm?regId=304132011


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 07:55:29 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)

No Fanny~I don't recognize it, but I don't think it's Santa Rosa Island as P-Cola Beach is the most developed area on SRI and we don't have that much development here.....could be Gulf Shores or Destin, and I have never been to Perdido or Orange Beach. Sorry, wish I could help more  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 08:05:14 PM


No Fanny~I don't recognize it, but I don't think it's Santa Rosa Island as P-Cola Beach is the most developed area on SRI and we don't have that much development here.....could be Gulf Shores or Destin, and I have never been to Perdido or Orange Beach. Sorry, wish I could help more  ::MonkeyTongue::

The person with her looks younger that her. I am not sure if it is HCT or not.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 08:18:03 PM


No Fanny~I don't recognize it, but I don't think it's Santa Rosa Island as P-Cola Beach is the most developed area on SRI and we don't have that much development here.....could be Gulf Shores or Destin, and I have never been to Perdido or Orange Beach. Sorry, wish I could help more  ::MonkeyTongue::

The person with her looks younger that her. I am not sure if it is HCT or not.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Could the younger one be her son??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 08:34:45 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 08:35:30 PM


No Fanny~I don't recognize it, but I don't think it's Santa Rosa Island as P-Cola Beach is the most developed area on SRI and we don't have that much development here.....could be Gulf Shores or Destin, and I have never been to Perdido or Orange Beach. Sorry, wish I could help more  ::MonkeyTongue::

The person with her looks younger that her. I am not sure if it is HCT or not.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Could the younger one be her son??

That's what I was wondering too. I wouldn't have posted it here, but it was already on the web.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 08:37:17 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


He was. And Billings' Worldco financed the floor plans for it and financed the cars.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 08:44:27 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


He was. And Billings' Worldco financed the floor plans for it and financed the cars.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I knew about Worldco, but like I said I must have forgotten about Hondaland......


I'm still looking for the facebook that had Henry Cab Tice, there were 2 and one had no photo and the other had a younger photo - like maybe Henry Cab Tice's son, but damn if I can find it now ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 08:46:27 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


He was. And Billings' Worldco financed the floor plans for it and financed the cars.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I knew about Worldco, but like I said I must have forgotten about Hondaland......


I'm still looking for the facebook that had Henry Cab Tice, there were 2 and one had no photo and the other had a younger photo - like maybe Henry Cab Tice's son, but damn if I can find it now ::MonkeyTongue::

I haven't been able to come up with a pic of him at all. Looow profile. I found someone I think may be kin to him, but I hesitate to post it until I am sure.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 08:47:29 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


He was. And Billings' Worldco financed the floor plans for it and financed the cars.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I knew about Worldco, but like I said I must have forgotten about Hondaland......


I'm still looking for the facebook that had Henry Cab Tice, there were 2 and one had no photo and the other had a younger photo - like maybe Henry Cab Tice's son, but damn if I can find it now ::MonkeyTongue::

I haven't been able to come up with a pic of him at all. Looow profile. I found someone I think may be kin to him, but I hesitate to post it until I am sure.   ::MonkeyTongue::

If it was the younger one with the little beanie cap on, that wasn't him.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 09:00:42 PM
fanny~I just found this:

We went to the website of the Florida Secretary of State and reviewed the filings for Hondaland Used Cars, Inc. We found a resignation of Registered Agent by T. Harrison Duke that is copied to Wayne Peterson of Gulf Breeze and Henry Cabell Tice of Daphne, Ala. Read Hondaland. A fair assumption would be that Peterson and Tice were partners in the business.We could find no connection between Peterson and Billings.

I remember finding the info on hondaland, but never knew or already forgot that Tice was involved in Hondaland ::MonkeyRoll::


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=6926


He was. And Billings' Worldco financed the floor plans for it and financed the cars.   ::MonkeyRoll::

I knew about Worldco, but like I said I must have forgotten about Hondaland......


I'm still looking for the facebook that had Henry Cab Tice, there were 2 and one had no photo and the other had a younger photo - like maybe Henry Cab Tice's son, but damn if I can find it now ::MonkeyTongue::

I haven't been able to come up with a pic of him at all. Looow profile. I found someone I think may be kin to him, but I hesitate to post it until I am sure.   ::MonkeyTongue::


If you ever need to ask something you are curious about, but don't want to put out there you can email at my toss away addy pcolabeachmom@yahoo.com.

Maybe between your knowledge of this area and my living here, we can figure out some of these questions.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 25, 2009, 09:01:35 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)

It looks like Bahama Bob's in Gulf Shores.  If not then it is the Flora-Bama Lounge.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 09:13:49 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)

It looks like Bahama Bob's in Gulf Shores.  If not then it is the Flora-Bama Lounge.

Thanks Blue Moon. I've only been to Gulf Shores once and it was 8 yrs ago....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 09:19:37 PM
ISLAND, I blew this pic up and hope I don't blow the thread up. Can you tell where this was taken. It looks like somewhere around Orange beach, Perdido Key, or maybe on Santa Rosa Island. I can see condo's or houses across the water in the background. Do you recognize it?

(http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww157/Fannymae65/deborahtice.jpg)

It looks like Bahama Bob's in Gulf Shores.  If not then it is the Flora-Bama Lounge.

I don't think it's the Florabama. I haven't been back since they rebuilt, but it has a clear view of the gulf, and I don't think it is open in the front to look across the sound like that. But much has changed since the hurricanes, so I am not positve.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 09:21:06 PM
ISLAND, You have nanners.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 25, 2009, 09:26:29 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 09:34:18 PM
ISLAND, You have nanners.   ::MonkeyWink::

nanners back.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 09:34:56 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434

How right you are! I tried to make out what that said. Your eyes are better than mine. Thanks! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 09:36:10 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434

I see it!! Thanks BlueMoon........I'm not familiar at all with anything in AL, so any input helps...


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 25, 2009, 09:41:25 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434

How right you are! I tried to make out what that said. Your eyes are better than mine. Thanks! ::MonkeyWink::

Tacky Jack's is located at the Marina.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 09:43:25 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434

I had already looked at that before, but I couldn't see any real interior views to see the yellow walls. It looked like Safe Harbor to begin with, but all the other resturants looked too fancy.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 25, 2009, 09:46:02 PM
It is Tacky Jack's at the Perdido Bridge.  Here is a link.  Look at the picture behind the woman and you will see it says Tacky Jack's.

http://www.tackyjacks.com/Photos.asp?c=252434

How right you are! I tried to make out what that said. Your eyes are better than mine. Thanks! ::MonkeyWink::

Tacky Jack's is located at the Marina.

That's why it reminded me of Destin, AJ's and all the other bars are on the marina...but, you do have great eyes, I'd have never noticed that sign ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 25, 2009, 09:51:20 PM
I will be there in 2 weeks.  Anything in particular you need snooping around on?  The women who run the check-in counter at the condo sure do like to gossip and talk.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 10:01:10 PM
I will be there in 2 weeks.  Anything in particular you need snooping around on?  The women who run the check-in counter at the condo sure do like to gossip and talk.   ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah!!! Ask her about the Tice's and where they keep their boat. Any info you can get at all. Ask her what the gossip is around those parts about the Billings murder. Can you go this week??? ::MonkeyWink::

We used to stay on the beach in the cottages before they were all taken out by Fredrick and Ivan. After that we stayed at one of the Phoenix Condos when we went down there. Haven't been for a while as I was here while my sister was sick.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on July 25, 2009, 10:14:59 PM
I will be there in 2 weeks.  Anything in particular you need snooping around on?  The women who run the check-in counter at the condo sure do like to gossip and talk.   ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah!!! Ask her about the Tice's and where they keep their boat. Any info you can get at all. Ask her what the gossip is around those parts about the Billings murder. Can you go this week??? ::MonkeyWink::

We used to stay on the beach in the cottages before they were all taken out by Fredrick and Ivan. After that we stayed at one of the Phoenix Condos when we went down there. Haven't been for a while as I was here while my sister was sick.

Will do.  Did you say the import car dealership is located in Gulf Shores, on Fort Morgan Road? 

(We always stay at Island Winds, convenient and in walking distance to everything).  They have rebuilt Gulf Shores and put in several high-rise condo's-expensive ones.  It really, to me, took away the quaintness of the island.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 25, 2009, 10:39:56 PM
I will be there in 2 weeks.  Anything in particular you need snooping around on?  The women who run the check-in counter at the condo sure do like to gossip and talk.   ::MonkeyCool::

Yeah!!! Ask her about the Tice's and where they keep their boat. Any info you can get at all. Ask her what the gossip is around those parts about the Billings murder. Can you go this week??? ::MonkeyWink::

We used to stay on the beach in the cottages before they were all taken out by Fredrick and Ivan. After that we stayed at one of the Phoenix Condos when we went down there. Haven't been for a while as I was here while my sister was sick.

Will do.  Did you say the import car dealership is located in Gulf Shores, on Fort Morgan Road? 

(We always stay at Island Winds, convenient and in walking distance to everything).  They have rebuilt Gulf Shores and put in several high-rise condo's-expensive ones.  It really, to me, took away the quaintness of the island.

It about killed me when the cottages went and the condos went up. But change is what it is all about and you just have roll with it.  ::MonkeyTongue::

One of her addy's was on Marsh Point, off Fort Morgan Rd. The import dealship was an addy in Daphne, Al closer to Mobile. I am so sleepy now I won't look, but it is in the thread here somewhere. If you don't find it, I will find it and post it tomorrow.   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 12:15:52 PM
http://arc-sos.state.al.us/cgi/uccdetail.mbr/detail?ucc=1998-03088&page=name

This doc gives another addy for Henry C Tice. The addy would be 165 Bay View In Daphne, connected with his import business. It is also a residential addy.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 26, 2009, 02:44:15 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9737

Coming Monday: Exclusive NorthEscambia.com Look At Billings Murder Investigation

July 26, 2009

Monday morning, NorthEscambia.com will have an exclusive look behind the scenes and inside the investigation the Billings murders investigation.

You’ve read the stories on NorthEscambia.com and watched Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on all the major television networks, but Monday morning we’ll take a closer look at the investigation and stories behind those numerous press conferences. You’ll see a side of the investigation and a side of the “humdinger” sheriff that you have not seen before.

Our exclusive behind the scenes look at the events since July 9 will be Monday morning here on NorthEscambia.com. Tell a friend today, and make sure you don’t miss the story tomorrow.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 03:41:01 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9737

Coming Monday: Exclusive NorthEscambia.com Look At Billings Murder Investigation

July 26, 2009

Monday morning, NorthEscambia.com will have an exclusive look behind the scenes and inside the investigation the Billings murders investigation.

You’ve read the stories on NorthEscambia.com and watched Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on all the major television networks, but Monday morning we’ll take a closer look at the investigation and stories behind those numerous press conferences. You’ll see a side of the investigation and a side of the “humdinger” sheriff that you have not seen before.

Our exclusive behind the scenes look at the events since July 9 will be Monday morning here on NorthEscambia.com. Tell a friend today, and make sure you don’t miss the story tomorrow.

Thanks Cece. I will be waiting with much interest tomorrow.   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 26, 2009, 05:47:25 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090726/NEWS01/907260331/Huge-debts--huge-troubles&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Huge debts, huge troubles
When she was arrested on July 15, Pamela Long Wiggins owed millions

Travis Griggs • tgriggs@pnj.com • July 26, 2009

When Pamela Long Wiggins was arrested July 15 and charged as an accessory after the fact for the July 9 slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings, it wasn't her first brush with the law.
The arrest capped a mounting tide of legal and financial troubles for Long Wiggins, an antique mall owner who bought and developed more than a dozen Panhandle properties during the housing boom, then collapsed under the weight of the market crash that followed.

Court documents and legal paperwork reveal an erratic trail of multiple mortgages, marriages and other significant legal troubles in the 47-year-old Gulf Breeze resident's life.

According to court records, when Long Wiggins was arrested, she owed several banks millions of dollars, was married to two men at the same time, and faced foreclosures on more than a half-dozen of her Santa Rosa County properties.

Last week, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers employees confirmed that her wetland development projects in Gulf Breeze are the subject of an Environmental Protection Agency investigation that alleges she defied multiple notifications and cease-and-desist orders and illegally cleared and filled protected wetland properties.

In a bizarre twist, she remains a suspect in an Albany, Ga., cold-case arson investigation from 1993, where firefighters say one of her failing — but insured — business projects suspiciously burned.

Two days before Long Wiggins' arrest in the Billings case, investigators found a safe from the Billingses' house buried in her backyard, along with other evidence investigators believe connects her to the crime.

Of the eight people charged in connection with the deaths, Long Wiggins is the only one who has been released on bond.

She is the only one smiling in her mug shot.
The Classy Lady

A stone's throw from Bob Sikes Bridge, a quiet residential road called Soundview Trail winds through a string of luxurious waterfront homes with lush, tropical landscaping.

Located on the north shore of Santa Rosa Sound, many of the towering two- and three-story homes are appraised at more than $1 million, making it one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Gulf Breeze. Until last year, Pamela Long Wiggins called it home.
(2 of 4)

A resident of Gulf Breeze since the 1990s and the owner of Magnolia Antique Mall, Long Wiggins amassed a paper fortune buying and selling Panhandle real estate during the housing boom. According to property appraisers' records, she has owned at least 20 properties in the area — including a condo on Pensacola Beach, several cookie-cutter rental houses in Tiger Point and vacant waterfront lots on Santa Rosa Sound.
Advertisement

In 2002, after several successful years, she bought a vacant lot on Soundview Trail and started building her own three-story home. She got a contractor to bring in truckloads of fill dirt to raise her yard above the low-lying soggy areas that surrounded it.

She ran into problems when code enforcement officials said her construction permit did not allow for clay dirt filling. She disagreed with their interpretation of the permit and continued with construction.

At one point, the Corps of Engineers sent her a notice of noncompliance, but soon construction was finished and she moved into the Soundview Trail home, which was complete with two towering white columns and a view of sailboats cruising on the sound from her front porch.

In 2005, she expanded her empire to the sea, adding a 47-foot motor yacht, the Classy Lady, to her growing array of assets. She invited friends out to spend the day on the yacht, which she kept docked at Palafox Pier.

Former real estate associates of Long Wiggins said when the market was strong, she did well.
The bubble bursts

Court records show Long Wiggins borrowed heavily during the housing boom, taking out no fewer than a dozen mortgages, including many adjustable-rate and balloon mortgages — the types largely blamed for getting the United States into the home-lending crisis.

She was overextended, and when the housing market crashed, it took Long Wiggins with it.

Sales ground to a halt, property values plummeted and Long Wiggins was trapped in a homeowner's nightmare: owing the mortgage company far more than the property is actually worth. But Long Wiggins' problem was multiplied.
(3 of 4)

She had more than a dozen properties to make payments on, including her home on Soundview Trail, which was appraised at $227,000 in 2008.
Advertisement

Late last year, she moved into one of her rental homes on Ramblewood Drive and put her expansive Soundview Trail property up for rent. A tenant moved in, but it was too little, too late.

The foreclosure notices started flooding in.

According to clerk of court records, in the six months leading up to the slayings, banks started foreclosure proceedings on at least seven mortgages held by Long Wiggins — amounting to more than $2.2 million in unpaid loans.
New husband

On Dec. 31, she married Hugh Wiggins in Okaloosa County, which came as a surprise to Jimmy Malden Jr., a Baldwin County, Ala., man to whom she still was legally married.

In April, she hastily deeded two of her vacant lots to her new husband, filing forms with the Santa County Courthouse that appear to be photocopies of a previous deed with the old names and dates scratched out with a pen and rewritten by hand.

Long Wiggins fell behind on her slip lease for her yacht at Palafox Pier. Sometime in January, the Classy Lady disappeared.

"They kept it here for a while, and then she got into us for about $3,000," said Marina Management President Leo Cyr. "We came here one day, and the boat was gone."

The boat's location was unknown for a while, but when, on July 15, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said his office had lost touch with Long Wiggins and considered her a "person of interest" in the Billings case, calls flooded in from local residents who had spotted the Classy Lady docked in Orange Beach, Ala.

Police and a News Journal photographer were there within minutes, and Long Wiggins was escorted peacefully off the Classy Lady, as a news camera clicked away.

Jimmy Malden Jr. said he knew it was coming.

Tie to Gonzalez Jr.

Speaking to a reporter from his cell phone in Baldwin County, Malden, Long Wiggins' estranged husband, said his wife had a tendency to pal around with shady characters.
(4 of 4)

"I'm not sure what to call them. I don't want to say 'mobsters,' " Malden said. "But mobsters."
Advertisement

The alleged ringleader of the Billings slayings, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., — who was called a pistol-waving "nutcase" by one of his former neighbors — lived in one of Long Wiggins' rental houses on Sterling Point Place.

During an interview with investigators after the murders, Long Wiggins said she and Gonzalez were friends.

When she and Hugh Wiggins drove to Okaloosa County to file their marriage license, Gonzalez and his wife, Tabatha, signed as witnesses on the paperwork.

Gonzalez even had a key to Long Wiggins' personal home on Ramblewood Drive, and she told investigators she had given him permission to come and go as he pleased.

Other suspects charged with the murder told investigators that they met at Long Wiggins' house before the murder, and that they may have used her red minivan on the night of the crime.

When they searched Long Wiggins' home on July 13, investigators uncovered a safe stolen from the Billingses' Beulah home buried in her backyard. Investigators also found several items of black clothing stuffed into a garbage can in her driveway, and inside the home they found boxes of ammunition and 10 guns, one of which resembles the murder weapon, according to Wayne Coldiron, one of the men charged in the killings.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 26, 2009, 06:28:39 PM
(I'm not sure if these are repeat articles)

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090726/NEWS01/907260330

EPA eyes suspect's real estate ventures

Travis Griggs • tgriggs@pnj.com • July 26, 2009

Pamela Long Wiggins' real-estate development in the Gulf Breeze area has landed her in hot water with the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.


In March the agency filed an administrative complaint seeking federal civil or criminal penalties against her, alleging she illegally cleared and filled wetland lots near Santa Rosa Sound.

While building a home on Soundview Trail in 2003, Long Wiggins disregarded letters from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers warning that she was violating construction permits by trucking in loads of red clay to build up the wetland lot.

Long Wiggins argued that she was within her rights and continued bringing in fill dirt, starting what Corps employee Edward Sarfort dryly calls, "a long history of noncompliance."

Construction projects in wetland areas are a sensitive issue because if done incorrectly or carelessly they can cause a great deal of water pollution to a sensitive ecological environment.

The Clean Water Act of 1977 and the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 both define rules for developing on wetlands, and allow criminal and civil charges to be brought against violators.

Sarfort said that during another project in 2005, Long Wiggins skipped the permit process entirely on a waterfront lot on Wild Roost Road near the Naval Live Oaks Reservation of the Gulf Islands National Seashore.

According to Santa Rosa County Community Planning, Zoning and Development Division records, Long Wiggins began clearing trees and dumping red clay fill dirt onto the low-lying wetland lot less than a month after she purchased it and without getting a permit. Neighbors protested the construction, circulating petitions and making phone calls to any agency that would listen — from the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to the Fish and Wildlife Service.

In June, the Corps of Engineers filed a cease-and-desist order against Long Wiggins. Violations continued at the lot, Sarfort said, and the case was turned over to the EPA, which has the power to pursue civil and criminal charges for noncompliance.

Long Wiggins' plan had been to level and subdivide the lot and make three or more small waterfront homes, according to Corps of Engineers records. But facing overwhelming pressure from both government regulators and angry neighbors, the project was delayed. Then it stopped entirely.

In 2005, she took out a $639,000 mortgage with the intention of developing the lot, but in 2008, it was appraised at about $414,000.

But the worst may be yet to come.

In April, the EPA reopened an administrative complaint against Long Wiggins that seeks to impose class II civil or criminal penalties, which include fines up to $157,000. The exact wording of the case has not yet been released, but EPA officials said Friday that the charges stem from her failure to correct problems caused by the 2005 wetland construction project.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 26, 2009, 06:54:55 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090726/NEWS01/907260331/Huge-debts--huge-troubles&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Huge debts, huge troubles
When she was arrested on July 15, Pamela Long Wiggins owed millions

Travis Griggs • tgriggs@pnj.com • July 26, 2009

When Pamela Long Wiggins was arrested July 15 and charged as an accessory after the fact for the July 9 slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings, it wasn't her first brush with the law.
The arrest capped a mounting tide of legal and financial troubles for Long Wiggins, an antique mall owner who bought and developed more than a dozen Panhandle properties during the housing boom, then collapsed under the weight of the market crash that followed.

Court documents and legal paperwork reveal an erratic trail of multiple mortgages, marriages and other significant legal troubles in the 47-year-old Gulf Breeze resident's life.

According to court records, when Long Wiggins was arrested, she owed several banks millions of dollars, was married to two men at the same time, and faced foreclosures on more than a half-dozen of her Santa Rosa County properties.

Last week, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers employees confirmed that her wetland development projects in Gulf Breeze are the subject of an Environmental Protection Agency investigation that alleges she defied multiple notifications and cease-and-desist orders and illegally cleared and filled protected wetland properties.

In a bizarre twist, she remains a suspect in an Albany, Ga., cold-case arson investigation from 1993, where firefighters say one of her failing — but insured — business projects suspiciously burned.

Two days before Long Wiggins' arrest in the Billings case, investigators found a safe from the Billingses' house buried in her backyard, along with other evidence investigators believe connects her to the crime.

Of the eight people charged in connection with the deaths, Long Wiggins is the only one who has been released on bond.

She is the only one smiling in her mug shot.
The Classy Lady

A stone's throw from Bob Sikes Bridge, a quiet residential road called Soundview Trail winds through a string of luxurious waterfront homes with lush, tropical landscaping.

Located on the north shore of Santa Rosa Sound, many of the towering two- and three-story homes are appraised at more than $1 million, making it one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Gulf Breeze. Until last year, Pamela Long Wiggins called it home.
(2 of 4)

A resident of Gulf Breeze since the 1990s and the owner of Magnolia Antique Mall, Long Wiggins amassed a paper fortune buying and selling Panhandle real estate during the housing boom. According to property appraisers' records, she has owned at least 20 properties in the area — including a condo on Pensacola Beach, several cookie-cutter rental houses in Tiger Point and vacant waterfront lots on Santa Rosa Sound.
Advertisement

In 2002, after several successful years, she bought a vacant lot on Soundview Trail and started building her own three-story home. She got a contractor to bring in truckloads of fill dirt to raise her yard above the low-lying soggy areas that surrounded it.

She ran into problems when code enforcement officials said her construction permit did not allow for clay dirt filling. She disagreed with their interpretation of the permit and continued with construction.

At one point, the Corps of Engineers sent her a notice of noncompliance, but soon construction was finished and she moved into the Soundview Trail home, which was complete with two towering white columns and a view of sailboats cruising on the sound from her front porch.

In 2005, she expanded her empire to the sea, adding a 47-foot motor yacht, the Classy Lady, to her growing array of assets. She invited friends out to spend the day on the yacht, which she kept docked at Palafox Pier.

Former real estate associates of Long Wiggins said when the market was strong, she did well.
The bubble bursts

Court records show Long Wiggins borrowed heavily during the housing boom, taking out no fewer than a dozen mortgages, including many adjustable-rate and balloon mortgages — the types largely blamed for getting the United States into the home-lending crisis.

She was overextended, and when the housing market crashed, it took Long Wiggins with it.

Sales ground to a halt, property values plummeted and Long Wiggins was trapped in a homeowner's nightmare: owing the mortgage company far more than the property is actually worth. But Long Wiggins' problem was multiplied.
(3 of 4)

She had more than a dozen properties to make payments on, including her home on Soundview Trail, which was appraised at $227,000 in 2008.
Advertisement

Late last year, she moved into one of her rental homes on Ramblewood Drive and put her expansive Soundview Trail property up for rent. A tenant moved in, but it was too little, too late.

The foreclosure notices started flooding in.

According to clerk of court records, in the six months leading up to the slayings, banks started foreclosure proceedings on at least seven mortgages held by Long Wiggins — amounting to more than $2.2 million in unpaid loans.
New husband

On Dec. 31, she married Hugh Wiggins in Okaloosa County, which came as a surprise to Jimmy Malden Jr., a Baldwin County, Ala., man to whom she still was legally married.

In April, she hastily deeded two of her vacant lots to her new husband, filing forms with the Santa County Courthouse that appear to be photocopies of a previous deed with the old names and dates scratched out with a pen and rewritten by hand.

Long Wiggins fell behind on her slip lease for her yacht at Palafox Pier. Sometime in January, the Classy Lady disappeared.

"They kept it here for a while, and then she got into us for about $3,000," said Marina Management President Leo Cyr. "We came here one day, and the boat was gone."

The boat's location was unknown for a while, but when, on July 15, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said his office had lost touch with Long Wiggins and considered her a "person of interest" in the Billings case, calls flooded in from local residents who had spotted the Classy Lady docked in Orange Beach, Ala.

Police and a News Journal photographer were there within minutes, and Long Wiggins was escorted peacefully off the Classy Lady, as a news camera clicked away.

Jimmy Malden Jr. said he knew it was coming.

Tie to Gonzalez Jr.

Speaking to a reporter from his cell phone in Baldwin County, Malden, Long Wiggins' estranged husband, said his wife had a tendency to pal around with shady characters.
(4 of 4)

"I'm not sure what to call them. I don't want to say 'mobsters,' " Malden said. "But mobsters."
Advertisement

The alleged ringleader of the Billings slayings, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., — who was called a pistol-waving "nutcase" by one of his former neighbors — lived in one of Long Wiggins' rental houses on Sterling Point Place.

During an interview with investigators after the murders, Long Wiggins said she and Gonzalez were friends.

When she and Hugh Wiggins drove to Okaloosa County to file their marriage license, Gonzalez and his wife, Tabatha, signed as witnesses on the paperwork.

Gonzalez even had a key to Long Wiggins' personal home on Ramblewood Drive, and she told investigators she had given him permission to come and go as he pleased.

Other suspects charged with the murder told investigators that they met at Long Wiggins' house before the murder, and that they may have used her red minivan on the night of the crime.

When they searched Long Wiggins' home on July 13, investigators uncovered a safe stolen from the Billingses' Beulah home buried in her backyard. Investigators also found several items of black clothing stuffed into a garbage can in her driveway, and inside the home they found boxes of ammunition and 10 guns, one of which resembles the murder weapon, according to Wayne Coldiron, one of the men charged in the killings.

What's super weird is that I was looking to rent a 4+ bedroom because the rental I was in was only 3 bedrooms and I was expecting Eli to make it out of NICU, the house that I wanted had been in a short sale for 15 months and I had just about given up on it so my dad was in town and told me about a rental in Gulf Breeze proper..........it was 1206 soundview Trail  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank God the house I'd been watching went into foreclosure in late April and I put an offer in on it and we got it, but I love to give my dad a hard time telling him he tried to get me to rent a murderer's house ::MonkeyTongue::  Scary isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 09:38:11 PM


What's super weird is that I was looking to rent a 4+ bedroom because the rental I was in was only 3 bedrooms and I was expecting Eli to make it out of NICU, the house that I wanted had been in a short sale for 15 months and I had just about given up on it so my dad was in town and told me about a rental in Gulf Breeze proper..........it was 1206 soundview Trail  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank God the house I'd been watching went into foreclosure in late April and I put an offer in on it and we got it, but I love to give my dad a hard time telling him he tried to get me to rent a murderer's house ::MonkeyTongue::  Scary isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::

WOW!! A fine mess you would have been in.  ::MonkeyCool::

She is another of the wheeler-dealer types that needed to be in jail for the arson. Too bad they couldn't make a case on her.

I have seen people on the Alabama coast having to tear down their houses when they have used clay for fill on the beach. I guess she just strutted on through that too.  I wonder how much she was into the Safe Harbor marina for her docking of her boat?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 09:38:43 PM
I know you are gone now Cece. But thanks for the links.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 26, 2009, 09:49:45 PM


What's super weird is that I was looking to rent a 4+ bedroom because the rental I was in was only 3 bedrooms and I was expecting Eli to make it out of NICU, the house that I wanted had been in a short sale for 15 months and I had just about given up on it so my dad was in town and told me about a rental in Gulf Breeze proper..........it was 1206 soundview Trail  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank God the house I'd been watching went into foreclosure in late April and I put an offer in on it and we got it, but I love to give my dad a hard time telling him he tried to get me to rent a murderer's house ::MonkeyTongue::  Scary isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::

WOW!! A fine mess you would have been in.  ::MonkeyCool::

She is another of the wheeler-dealer types that needed to be in jail for the arson. Too bad they couldn't make a case on her.

I have seen people on the Alabama coast having to tear down their houses when they have used clay for fill on the beach. I guess she just strutted on through that too.  I wonder how much she was into the Safe Harbor marina for her docking of her boat?  ::MonkeyRoll::

I know-can you imagine the fear you'd have living in one of her rentals ::MonkeyEek::

I know how rigid the Island Authority is about what you can and can't use, and I'd be pizzed if someone hauled in clay and screwed up our pristine white beach..because so few yards have grass here and only the sand, so can you imagine your white sandy yard getting all mixed in with clay fill ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 11:11:01 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9737

Coming Monday: Exclusive NorthEscambia.com Look At Billings Murder Investigation

July 26, 2009

Monday morning, NorthEscambia.com will have an exclusive look behind the scenes and inside the investigation the Billings murders investigation.

You’ve read the stories on NorthEscambia.com and watched Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on all the major television networks, but Monday morning we’ll take a closer look at the investigation and stories behind those numerous press conferences. You’ll see a side of the investigation and a side of the “humdinger” sheriff that you have not seen before.

Our exclusive behind the scenes look at the events since July 9 will be Monday morning here on NorthEscambia.com. Tell a friend today, and make sure you don’t miss the story tomorrow.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 26, 2009, 11:12:20 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9737

Coming Monday: Exclusive NorthEscambia.com Look At Billings Murder Investigation

July 26, 2009

Monday morning, NorthEscambia.com will have an exclusive look behind the scenes and inside the investigation the Billings murders investigation.

You’ve read the stories on NorthEscambia.com and watched Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on all the major television networks, but Monday morning we’ll take a closer look at the investigation and stories behind those numerous press conferences. You’ll see a side of the investigation and a side of the “humdinger” sheriff that you have not seen before.

Our exclusive behind the scenes look at the events since July 9 will be Monday morning here on NorthEscambia.com. Tell a friend today, and make sure you don’t miss the story tomorrow.


Bumping this for Cece.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 27, 2009, 09:36:39 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Behind The Scenes Of The Billings Case With Sheriff David Morgan
July 27, 2009
 

It was a chance meeting in the lobby of the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department on July 10, the day after the murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings, that Sheriff David Morgan won’t forgot.

He does not use the lobby of the building often; on that day he just happened to be there when Ashley Markham, the Billings’ daughter, was being led inside to talk to investigators.

NorthEscambia.com sat down with Sheriff David Morgan Friday afternoon at his office for an exclusive interview to learn more about what the days since the Billings murders have been like for him personally.

Humdinger. Twinkies. Beanie Babies and Bubblegum

The sheriff that was such a commanding presence with terms like “humdinger,” “beanie babies and bubblegum” on the national television networks, Larry King, Anderson Cooper, Good Morning America — the list just goes on and on — was at a loss for words meeting Ashely Markham in his department’s lobby.

“You just feel so helpless,” Morgan told NorthEscambia.com in an exclusive interview. “There’s really not a lot you can say that can ease the pain, the mourning…the grieving.”

“I did not really know what to say to her,” he said, “other than to say ‘is there anything I can do?’.”

“Find the people that did this,” Morgan said Ashely Markham replied.

Four days later, on July 14, Ashley Markham was at the sheriff’s department for a press conference. She knew that Morgan was about to announce some good news, but that’s all she knew.

The next time Morgan and Markham would see each other, they were on every major television network in the country and many others around the world. She stood by Morgan’s side with her husband Blue, unaware of what the sheriff was about to say.

At the press conference Morgan recounted that lobby meeting, as tears built in Markham’s eyes.

“We have found them, and they are in custody,”  Morgan said at that press conference. The sheriff hugged and comforted her, then turned back to his press conference. She put her face into her hands and cried as he announced that seven people were in custody for the murder of her parents.

“That press conference was for them, not for anybody else,” Morgan told NorthEscambia.com.

The Phone Call

It was a short time after the initial deputies were called to the Billings’ home in Beulah. Morgan was at home with his wife Susan; they had just finished dinner. It would be the last ordinary dinner the first term sheriff and his wife would enjoy together for weeks.

The phone rang. Morgan was told about the murders, and about the large number of children in the home.

“My first reaction was to drive out there, because of all of the children,” he said. “It tugs at your heart. But we had a lot of capable, competent people from the sheriff’s department out there. The best thing I could do was ask them what they needed from me and let them do their jobs.”

The Longest Days

Since the murder, the sheriff said he’s been working many 17-18 hour days, but is quick to point out that many of his investigators have pulled longer hours. In fact, he said he’s left his office many times at 1:30 to 3 a.m., his investigators still at work from the day before. He was running on as little as two hours sleep when he would arrive back at the department’s administration building as early as 4 a.m. to do the morning shows like Good Morning America and the Today Show.

“I would walk the circuit of satellite trucks,” he said, “ABC first then all the way down the line to CNN and MSNBC. It was grueling.”

International News

“I was oblivious to all that,” he said of the worldwide television coverage of the press conferences he was doing in the days early after the murders. “We were just soldiering on.”

In the beginning, he thought the press conferences were being carried just locally, and he was doing them to update the local community on the case and reassure our area that they were safe — even though killers were on the loose.

“It was my job. It really wasn’t a big deal,” he said. “I’m ultimately responsible, and I felt as sheriff a horrendous need to reassure the community.”

He said working with all of the media, with perhaps the rare exception of a tabloid or two, was pleasurable — and effective.

Thanks to the media, the community’s eyes were on the lookout for that red van believed to have been used in the crimes.

“If I lived another 100 years, I would probably never see that again,” he said of the media’s cooperation during the Billings case. “We agreed on this one thing — capture these folks.”

The Feds

Some of the media swirled with rumors that several federal agencies had become involved in the case for one reason or another.

Morgan said that he did turn to outside agencies to assist in the investigation, in the interest of time. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) and the FBI provided assistance early. From crime lab to ballistics testings, it was all about fast turn around, he said. The FBI provided help with fingerprint analysis and video enhancement. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) provided lab testing.

The outside agency services were all things that the Escambia Sheriff’s Department can do in their modern facilities. But with the number of suspects and the large number of items to be processed from the crime scene, Morgan felt early that using those outside agencies would serve them well to get results as fast as possible. He was right.

“It was my job as sheriff to ensure that the process moved along,” he said.

Steal The Moments

The sheriff’s wife Susan attended at least two of the press conferences, rare moments where she was able to see her husband over the past weeks.

“We’ve just had to steal the moments that we can,” the sheriff said.  “There’s been no schedule for sleep or meals. There’s been no quality time, no anytime for us.” They did steal time for dinner together one night — at midnight.

Susan has, like any good wife, been his biggest critic. “You speak too fast, looked the wrong way, stop it with all the metaphors; she’s been very supportive.”

Morgan had hoped to get home early this past Friday afternoon so the couple could have dinner together. Our NorthEscambia.com exclusive interview was to be his only interview for the afternoon at 1:30 Friday, but it was bumped to 2:30 so he could meet with the State Attorney’s office on late breaking developments in the case. We noticed him steal a few glances from behind his desk at the clock on the wall by about 3:30.

But when he was done with our interview, it was not going to be time to go home. People Magazine had called and left a message with his secretary while we had waited to go in and see him. They were still waiting for a callback.

We learned at the end of our interview that another person of interest in the case was in the building, and the sheriff was to meet with his investigators as soon as our interview was done.

Dinner would have to wait.

Credit Where Credit Was Due

Morgan frequently credited his investigators, officers and support staff during our interview for their help in the Billings case. But there’s more.

“I prayed to God everyday that He would give us the ability to do our best because so many people depend on us everyday to stay the course and make the right decisions,” Morgan said. “I prayed that God would be good enough to give me the wisdom of Solomon and the patience of Job.”

In the Old Testament, Job was a God-fearing man that suffers great trial after great trial that leave him without his belongings, his children or his health. Despite the great trials, he remains patient and faithful to God and is finally rewarded by the Lord. Solomon was the wise king of Israel that had to decide to which of two mothers a child belonged. So he ordered a sword to cut the child in half, knowing that the real mother would be willing to give her child up rather than see it die.

“The credit (for the work in the case) needs to be spread around, and it needs to go to Him.”

Morgan office photos by NorthEscambia.com, click to enlarge. Press conference photos courtesy WEAR TV 3, click to enlarge.




http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9752


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 10:34:23 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090726/NEWS01/907260331/Huge-debts--huge-troubles&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Huge debts, huge troubles
When she was arrested on July 15, Pamela Long Wiggins owed millions

Travis Griggs • tgriggs@pnj.com • July 26, 2009

When Pamela Long Wiggins was arrested July 15 and charged as an accessory after the fact for the July 9 slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings, it wasn't her first brush with the law.
The arrest capped a mounting tide of legal and financial troubles for Long Wiggins, an antique mall owner who bought and developed more than a dozen Panhandle properties during the housing boom, then collapsed under the weight of the market crash that followed.

Court documents and legal paperwork reveal an erratic trail of multiple mortgages, marriages and other significant legal troubles in the 47-year-old Gulf Breeze resident's life.

According to court records, when Long Wiggins was arrested, she owed several banks millions of dollars, was married to two men at the same time, and faced foreclosures on more than a half-dozen of her Santa Rosa County properties.

Last week, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers employees confirmed that her wetland development projects in Gulf Breeze are the subject of an Environmental Protection Agency investigation that alleges she defied multiple notifications and cease-and-desist orders and illegally cleared and filled protected wetland properties.

In a bizarre twist, she remains a suspect in an Albany, Ga., cold-case arson investigation from 1993, where firefighters say one of her failing — but insured — business projects suspiciously burned.

Two days before Long Wiggins' arrest in the Billings case, investigators found a safe from the Billingses' house buried in her backyard, along with other evidence investigators believe connects her to the crime.

Of the eight people charged in connection with the deaths, Long Wiggins is the only one who has been released on bond.

She is the only one smiling in her mug shot.
The Classy Lady

A stone's throw from Bob Sikes Bridge, a quiet residential road called Soundview Trail winds through a string of luxurious waterfront homes with lush, tropical landscaping.

Located on the north shore of Santa Rosa Sound, many of the towering two- and three-story homes are appraised at more than $1 million, making it one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Gulf Breeze. Until last year, Pamela Long Wiggins called it home.
(2 of 4)

A resident of Gulf Breeze since the 1990s and the owner of Magnolia Antique Mall, Long Wiggins amassed a paper fortune buying and selling Panhandle real estate during the housing boom. According to property appraisers' records, she has owned at least 20 properties in the area — including a condo on Pensacola Beach, several cookie-cutter rental houses in Tiger Point and vacant waterfront lots on Santa Rosa Sound.
Advertisement

In 2002, after several successful years, she bought a vacant lot on Soundview Trail and started building her own three-story home. She got a contractor to bring in truckloads of fill dirt to raise her yard above the low-lying soggy areas that surrounded it.

She ran into problems when code enforcement officials said her construction permit did not allow for clay dirt filling. She disagreed with their interpretation of the permit and continued with construction.

At one point, the Corps of Engineers sent her a notice of noncompliance, but soon construction was finished and she moved into the Soundview Trail home, which was complete with two towering white columns and a view of sailboats cruising on the sound from her front porch.

In 2005, she expanded her empire to the sea, adding a 47-foot motor yacht, the Classy Lady, to her growing array of assets. She invited friends out to spend the day on the yacht, which she kept docked at Palafox Pier.

Former real estate associates of Long Wiggins said when the market was strong, she did well.
The bubble bursts

Court records show Long Wiggins borrowed heavily during the housing boom, taking out no fewer than a dozen mortgages, including many adjustable-rate and balloon mortgages — the types largely blamed for getting the United States into the home-lending crisis.

She was overextended, and when the housing market crashed, it took Long Wiggins with it.

Sales ground to a halt, property values plummeted and Long Wiggins was trapped in a homeowner's nightmare: owing the mortgage company far more than the property is actually worth. But Long Wiggins' problem was multiplied.
(3 of 4)

She had more than a dozen properties to make payments on, including her home on Soundview Trail, which was appraised at $227,000 in 2008.
Advertisement

Late last year, she moved into one of her rental homes on Ramblewood Drive and put her expansive Soundview Trail property up for rent. A tenant moved in, but it was too little, too late.

The foreclosure notices started flooding in.

According to clerk of court records, in the six months leading up to the slayings, banks started foreclosure proceedings on at least seven mortgages held by Long Wiggins — amounting to more than $2.2 million in unpaid loans.
New husband

On Dec. 31, she married Hugh Wiggins in Okaloosa County, which came as a surprise to Jimmy Malden Jr., a Baldwin County, Ala., man to whom she still was legally married.

In April, she hastily deeded two of her vacant lots to her new husband, filing forms with the Santa County Courthouse that appear to be photocopies of a previous deed with the old names and dates scratched out with a pen and rewritten by hand.

Long Wiggins fell behind on her slip lease for her yacht at Palafox Pier. Sometime in January, the Classy Lady disappeared.

"They kept it here for a while, and then she got into us for about $3,000," said Marina Management President Leo Cyr. "We came here one day, and the boat was gone."

The boat's location was unknown for a while, but when, on July 15, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said his office had lost touch with Long Wiggins and considered her a "person of interest" in the Billings case, calls flooded in from local residents who had spotted the Classy Lady docked in Orange Beach, Ala.

Police and a News Journal photographer were there within minutes, and Long Wiggins was escorted peacefully off the Classy Lady, as a news camera clicked away.

Jimmy Malden Jr. said he knew it was coming.

Tie to Gonzalez Jr.

Speaking to a reporter from his cell phone in Baldwin County, Malden, Long Wiggins' estranged husband, said his wife had a tendency to pal around with shady characters.
(4 of 4)

"I'm not sure what to call them. I don't want to say 'mobsters,' " Malden said. "But mobsters."
Advertisement

The alleged ringleader of the Billings slayings, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., — who was called a pistol-waving "nutcase" by one of his former neighbors — lived in one of Long Wiggins' rental houses on Sterling Point Place.

During an interview with investigators after the murders, Long Wiggins said she and Gonzalez were friends.

When she and Hugh Wiggins drove to Okaloosa County to file their marriage license, Gonzalez and his wife, Tabatha, signed as witnesses on the paperwork.

Gonzalez even had a key to Long Wiggins' personal home on Ramblewood Drive, and she told investigators she had given him permission to come and go as he pleased.

Other suspects charged with the murder told investigators that they met at Long Wiggins' house before the murder, and that they may have used her red minivan on the night of the crime.

When they searched Long Wiggins' home on July 13, investigators uncovered a safe stolen from the Billingses' Beulah home buried in her backyard. Investigators also found several items of black clothing stuffed into a garbage can in her driveway, and inside the home they found boxes of ammunition and 10 guns, one of which resembles the murder weapon, according to Wayne Coldiron, one of the men charged in the killings.

What's super weird is that I was looking to rent a 4+ bedroom because the rental I was in was only 3 bedrooms and I was expecting Eli to make it out of NICU, the house that I wanted had been in a short sale for 15 months and I had just about given up on it so my dad was in town and told me about a rental in Gulf Breeze proper..........it was 1206 soundview Trail  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank God the house I'd been watching went into foreclosure in late April and I put an offer in on it and we got it, but I love to give my dad a hard time telling him he tried to get me to rent a murderer's house ::MonkeyTongue::  Scary isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning everyone.

Wow, IM.  It is a good thing you didn't get involved with the Soundview Trail house.  Sometimes things work out for the best & I'm glad you got the house you wanted. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 10:38:30 AM
I know you are gone now Cece. But thanks for the links.  ::MonkeyAngel::

You're always welcome Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 27, 2009, 11:10:44 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090726/NEWS01/907260331/Huge-debts--huge-troubles&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Huge debts, huge troubles
When she was arrested on July 15, Pamela Long Wiggins owed millions

Travis Griggs • tgriggs@pnj.com • July 26, 2009

When Pamela Long Wiggins was arrested July 15 and charged as an accessory after the fact for the July 9 slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings, it wasn't her first brush with the law.
The arrest capped a mounting tide of legal and financial troubles for Long Wiggins, an antique mall owner who bought and developed more than a dozen Panhandle properties during the housing boom, then collapsed under the weight of the market crash that followed.

Court documents and legal paperwork reveal an erratic trail of multiple mortgages, marriages and other significant legal troubles in the 47-year-old Gulf Breeze resident's life.

According to court records, when Long Wiggins was arrested, she owed several banks millions of dollars, was married to two men at the same time, and faced foreclosures on more than a half-dozen of her Santa Rosa County properties.

Last week, U.S. Army Corps of Engineers employees confirmed that her wetland development projects in Gulf Breeze are the subject of an Environmental Protection Agency investigation that alleges she defied multiple notifications and cease-and-desist orders and illegally cleared and filled protected wetland properties.

In a bizarre twist, she remains a suspect in an Albany, Ga., cold-case arson investigation from 1993, where firefighters say one of her failing — but insured — business projects suspiciously burned.

Two days before Long Wiggins' arrest in the Billings case, investigators found a safe from the Billingses' house buried in her backyard, along with other evidence investigators believe connects her to the crime.

Of the eight people charged in connection with the deaths, Long Wiggins is the only one who has been released on bond.

She is the only one smiling in her mug shot.
The Classy Lady

A stone's throw from Bob Sikes Bridge, a quiet residential road called Soundview Trail winds through a string of luxurious waterfront homes with lush, tropical landscaping.

Located on the north shore of Santa Rosa Sound, many of the towering two- and three-story homes are appraised at more than $1 million, making it one of the most exclusive neighborhoods in Gulf Breeze. Until last year, Pamela Long Wiggins called it home.
(2 of 4)

A resident of Gulf Breeze since the 1990s and the owner of Magnolia Antique Mall, Long Wiggins amassed a paper fortune buying and selling Panhandle real estate during the housing boom. According to property appraisers' records, she has owned at least 20 properties in the area — including a condo on Pensacola Beach, several cookie-cutter rental houses in Tiger Point and vacant waterfront lots on Santa Rosa Sound.
Advertisement

In 2002, after several successful years, she bought a vacant lot on Soundview Trail and started building her own three-story home. She got a contractor to bring in truckloads of fill dirt to raise her yard above the low-lying soggy areas that surrounded it.

She ran into problems when code enforcement officials said her construction permit did not allow for clay dirt filling. She disagreed with their interpretation of the permit and continued with construction.

At one point, the Corps of Engineers sent her a notice of noncompliance, but soon construction was finished and she moved into the Soundview Trail home, which was complete with two towering white columns and a view of sailboats cruising on the sound from her front porch.

In 2005, she expanded her empire to the sea, adding a 47-foot motor yacht, the Classy Lady, to her growing array of assets. She invited friends out to spend the day on the yacht, which she kept docked at Palafox Pier.

Former real estate associates of Long Wiggins said when the market was strong, she did well.
The bubble bursts

Court records show Long Wiggins borrowed heavily during the housing boom, taking out no fewer than a dozen mortgages, including many adjustable-rate and balloon mortgages — the types largely blamed for getting the United States into the home-lending crisis.

She was overextended, and when the housing market crashed, it took Long Wiggins with it.

Sales ground to a halt, property values plummeted and Long Wiggins was trapped in a homeowner's nightmare: owing the mortgage company far more than the property is actually worth. But Long Wiggins' problem was multiplied.
(3 of 4)

She had more than a dozen properties to make payments on, including her home on Soundview Trail, which was appraised at $227,000 in 2008.
Advertisement

Late last year, she moved into one of her rental homes on Ramblewood Drive and put her expansive Soundview Trail property up for rent. A tenant moved in, but it was too little, too late.

The foreclosure notices started flooding in.

According to clerk of court records, in the six months leading up to the slayings, banks started foreclosure proceedings on at least seven mortgages held by Long Wiggins — amounting to more than $2.2 million in unpaid loans.
New husband

On Dec. 31, she married Hugh Wiggins in Okaloosa County, which came as a surprise to Jimmy Malden Jr., a Baldwin County, Ala., man to whom she still was legally married.

In April, she hastily deeded two of her vacant lots to her new husband, filing forms with the Santa County Courthouse that appear to be photocopies of a previous deed with the old names and dates scratched out with a pen and rewritten by hand.

Long Wiggins fell behind on her slip lease for her yacht at Palafox Pier. Sometime in January, the Classy Lady disappeared.

"They kept it here for a while, and then she got into us for about $3,000," said Marina Management President Leo Cyr. "We came here one day, and the boat was gone."

The boat's location was unknown for a while, but when, on July 15, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said his office had lost touch with Long Wiggins and considered her a "person of interest" in the Billings case, calls flooded in from local residents who had spotted the Classy Lady docked in Orange Beach, Ala.

Police and a News Journal photographer were there within minutes, and Long Wiggins was escorted peacefully off the Classy Lady, as a news camera clicked away.

Jimmy Malden Jr. said he knew it was coming.

Tie to Gonzalez Jr.

Speaking to a reporter from his cell phone in Baldwin County, Malden, Long Wiggins' estranged husband, said his wife had a tendency to pal around with shady characters.
(4 of 4)

"I'm not sure what to call them. I don't want to say 'mobsters,' " Malden said. "But mobsters."
Advertisement

The alleged ringleader of the Billings slayings, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., — who was called a pistol-waving "nutcase" by one of his former neighbors — lived in one of Long Wiggins' rental houses on Sterling Point Place.

During an interview with investigators after the murders, Long Wiggins said she and Gonzalez were friends.

When she and Hugh Wiggins drove to Okaloosa County to file their marriage license, Gonzalez and his wife, Tabatha, signed as witnesses on the paperwork.

Gonzalez even had a key to Long Wiggins' personal home on Ramblewood Drive, and she told investigators she had given him permission to come and go as he pleased.

Other suspects charged with the murder told investigators that they met at Long Wiggins' house before the murder, and that they may have used her red minivan on the night of the crime.

When they searched Long Wiggins' home on July 13, investigators uncovered a safe stolen from the Billingses' Beulah home buried in her backyard. Investigators also found several items of black clothing stuffed into a garbage can in her driveway, and inside the home they found boxes of ammunition and 10 guns, one of which resembles the murder weapon, according to Wayne Coldiron, one of the men charged in the killings.

What's super weird is that I was looking to rent a 4+ bedroom because the rental I was in was only 3 bedrooms and I was expecting Eli to make it out of NICU, the house that I wanted had been in a short sale for 15 months and I had just about given up on it so my dad was in town and told me about a rental in Gulf Breeze proper..........it was 1206 soundview Trail  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: Thank God the house I'd been watching went into foreclosure in late April and I put an offer in on it and we got it, but I love to give my dad a hard time telling him he tried to get me to rent a murderer's house ::MonkeyTongue::  Scary isn't it ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good morning everyone.

Wow, IM.  It is a good thing you didn't get involved with the Soundview Trail house.  Sometimes things work out for the best & I'm glad you got the house you wanted. 

Tell me about it!!! I actually never even went to look at it as I didn't want to move of the Island, but I remember him telling me it was the 1st house one the right, so when I was snooping around when the story broke and rode down Soundview Trail, I was shocked to see that her house was the 1st one on the right (however the rent was far cheaper than anything I'd seen on the beach ::MonkeyRoll:: ).

I was thrilled to get the hosue I wanted, not many foreclosures are in that good shape.....we were extremely fortunate and blessed that all that I had to do was put up a fence ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 11:21:36 AM
Well now! As soon as last Friday there was another "person of interest" at the sheriff's office. Doesn't seem to me like the Billings murder case has been wrapped up.   ::MonkeyRoll::

 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9752


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 27, 2009, 12:02:55 PM
Well now! As soon as last Friday there was another "person of interest" at the sheriff's office. Doesn't seem to me like the Billings murder case has been wrapped up.   ::MonkeyRoll::

 http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9752


You have top be kidding me....NOT ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 12:33:09 PM
Quote from above article:
Morgan frequently credited his investigators, officers and support staff during our interview for their help in the Billings case. But there’s more.

“I prayed to God everyday that He would give us the ability to do our best because so many people depend on us everyday to stay the course and make the right decisions,” Morgan said. “I prayed that God would be good enough to give me the wisdom of Solomon and the patience of Job.”


This man sounds like he knows what he is doing -- not afraid to look and get help wherever it can be found.
Island, that story about the house gives me the shudders, it's amazing when we discover how much we are protected from and seldom every know it.  You and your family remain in my daily prayers.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 27, 2009, 01:12:22 PM
Quote from above article:
Morgan frequently credited his investigators, officers and support staff during our interview for their help in the Billings case. But there’s more.

“I prayed to God everyday that He would give us the ability to do our best because so many people depend on us everyday to stay the course and make the right decisions,” Morgan said. “I prayed that God would be good enough to give me the wisdom of Solomon and the patience of Job.”


This man sounds like he knows what he is doing -- not afraid to look and get help wherever it can be found.
Island, that story about the house gives me the shudders, it's amazing when we discover how much we are protected from and seldom every know it.  You and your family remain in my daily prayers.

So true sister about being protected and never even knowing about it......I cringe when I think that I could have lived there (and wondered why the rent was wayyyyyyy off from anything else). Also, thank you so much for your continued prayers for my family~we really appreciate it more than you know. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 02:36:07 PM
Why would someone go to the trouble to form corporations and never use them? Maybe so they could have official letterhead on their paperwork? Or be a legit corp in case anyone checked before doing business with them? Or have a legit business for invoices? Especially import invoices? Hum.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090727/NEWS01/90727011/1124

Long Wiggins investigated for food stamp fraud

A state agency plans to investigate claims that Pamela Long Wiggins participated in food stamp fraud.


Advertisement

Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman Mike Morrison confirmed today that the agency is expected to launch an investigation Tuesday at the request of the Department of Children and Families.

“There are allegations that she fraudulently received food stamps,” he said. “That is all I have.”

Long Wiggins owned the Magnolia Antique Mall in Gulf Breeze, more than a dozen homes on the verge of foreclosure and a yacht called the Classy Lady. She was arrested July 15 after law enforcement found her on that boat at a marina in Orange Beach, Ala.

She is also under investigation by the Environmental Protection Agency, accused of illegally clearing and developing wetlands in Santa Rosa County.

The FDLE’s public assistance fraud division will investigate the newest claim against Long Wiggins to emerge since her arrest.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said the food stamp investigation was not spurred by any inquiries from his office which will handle the prosecution of the Byrd and Melanie Billings homicide suspects.

Long Wiggins is charged as an accessory after the fact in the July 9 Beulah homicides.

“I am aware of that investigation and they have briefed us on it,” Eddins said. “My understanding is that this is an independent investigation that isn’t related to the Billingses murders.”

Food stamps are federally funded through the U.S. Department of Agriculture, but are administered on a state level through the Department of Children and Families.

Janice Thomas, the locally based administrator of the DCF, said if someone is found to have defrauded the food stamp program, there are possible criminal and civil penalties.

She said documents, including Long Wiggins’ application for food stamps, are not available because she is at the center of a state investigation. Eddins said new charges could come after the FDLE completes its inquiry.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 05:06:02 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090727/NEWS01/90727011/1124

Long Wiggins investigated for food stamp fraud

A state agency plans to investigate claims that Pamela Long Wiggins participated in food stamp fraud.


Advertisement

Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman Mike Morrison confirmed today that the agency is expected to launch an investigation Tuesday at the request of the Department of Children and Families.

“There are allegations that she fraudulently received food stamps,” he said. “That is all I have.”

Long Wiggins owned the Magnolia Antique Mall in Gulf Breeze, more than a dozen homes on the verge of foreclosure and a yacht called the Classy Lady. She was arrested July 15 after law enforcement found her on that boat at a marina in Orange Beach, Ala.

She is also under investigation by the Environmental Protection Agency, accused of illegally clearing and developing wetlands in Santa Rosa County.

The FDLE’s public assistance fraud division will investigate the newest claim against Long Wiggins to emerge since her arrest.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said the food stamp investigation was not spurred by any inquiries from his office which will handle the prosecution of the Byrd and Melanie Billings homicide suspects.

Long Wiggins is charged as an accessory after the fact in the July 9 Beulah homicides.

“I am aware of that investigation and they have briefed us on it,” Eddins said. “My understanding is that this is an independent investigation that isn’t related to the Billingses murders.”

Food stamps are federally funded through the U.S. Department of Agriculture, but are administered on a state level through the Department of Children and Families.

Janice Thomas, the locally based administrator of the DCF, said if someone is found to have defrauded the food stamp program, there are possible criminal and civil penalties.

She said documents, including Long Wiggins’ application for food stamps, are not available because she is at the center of a state investigation. Eddins said new charges could come after the FDLE completes its inquiry.


One of those things that sends me right over the edge! We applied once for Food Stamps. They checked us from can to can't, and had us coming back and bringing so many documents, it was a full time job. We finally just gave up!

How in the he77 can you get food stamps owning numerous properties, a yatch, and a business?? I guess if you know how to be a wheeler-dealer, you learn how to work all the systems. Pamela needs to be sitting her butt in jail, period.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:19:20 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on July 27, 2009, 05:22:11 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

Funny you should mention Wiggins and marriage.  From what I have been reading, she married a man without divorcing her previous
husband  so I don't think she could use the "married to Gonzalez so I can't talk" ploy without being a bigamist at lest 3 times (instead of 2) times over.   ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: AZSunny on July 27, 2009, 05:25:39 PM
Has anyone seen Magnolia?  If you do, would you ask her to join the NH thread please.  thanks.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 05:49:28 PM
Has anyone seen Magnolia?  If you do, would you ask her to join the NH thread please.  thanks.

I haven't seen her around today, AZSunny, or at least not on the threads I have been on.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 05:52:45 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

Funny you should mention Wiggins and marriage.  From what I have been reading, she married a man without divorcing her previous
husband  so I don't think she could use the "married to Gonzalez so I can't talk" ploy without being a bigamist at lest 3 times (instead of 2) times over.   ::MonkeyWink:: 

Her latest so-called husband Hugh Wiggins was the one who told the LE where the safe was buried. Pat Gonzalez and his wife were witnesses to the Wiggins marriage in January. This in one big clusterfluck.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 05:54:50 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on July 27, 2009, 05:57:32 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.

Yes, and we managed, and didn't starve to death, after all.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:14:56 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090727/NEWS01/90727023

Warrant issued for Stallworth

From staff reports • July 27, 2009

State Attorney Bill Eddins announced today that the extradition warrant for Donald Ray Stallworth has been processed and he should return to Escambia County shortly.

Paperwork on the warrant has been processed by the governor’s office in Florida and in Alabama and sent to the Escambia County, Ala., jail, where Stallworth is being housed without bond on two open counts of murder.

Stallworth is one of eight people charged in connection with the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie billings in the two-story, nine bedroom Beulah home July 9.

A news release from Eddins’ office reads: “It is anticipated that the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office will transport Stallworth in the very near future.”


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090727/NEWS01/90727023

Warrant issued for Stallworth

From staff reports • July 27, 2009

State Attorney Bill Eddins announced today that the extradition warrant for Donald Ray Stallworth has been processed and he should return to Escambia County shortly.

Paperwork on the warrant has been processed by the governor’s office in Florida and in Alabama and sent to the Escambia County, Ala., jail, where Stallworth is being housed without bond on two open counts of murder.

Stallworth is one of eight people charged in connection with the shooting deaths of Byrd and Melanie billings in the two-story, nine bedroom Beulah home July 9.

A news release from Eddins’ office reads: “It is anticipated that the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office will transport Stallworth in the very near future.”

Well jeeze, the papers were signed by the Governor a couple of weeks ago. Let's not get in a hurry, how 'bout it.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:16:59 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Murder_Suspect_To_Be_Extradited_Soon

Murder suspect to be
extradited soon




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:18:37 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9765

Extradition Order To Send Stallworth Back To Florida

July 27, 2009

Alabama Gov. Bob Riley has signed the extradition order to send Donnie Wayne Stallworth back to Florida to face two open counts of murder.

Stallworth is scheduled to be transferred from the Escambia County Detention Center in Brewton to the Escambia County Jail in Pensacola as early as Tuesday morning to face charges in connection with the death of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Stallworth, 28, turned himself into Alabama authorities in Brewton the night of July 13. He has remained in the Brewton jail without bond since that time.

donniestallworthjr1.jpgStallworth, 28, appeared before Escambia County (Ala.) Circuit Court Judge Bert Rice July 20 in a probable cause hearing. Rice ruled that there was probable cause  to continue to hold Stallworth without bond at that time. Stallworth was in the Brewton courtroom, but he did not speak on his behalf. About two dozen supporters, including his mother, were  alsoin the courtroom.

Terry Hardy, an Escambia County (Fla.) investigator, was in court on July 20, testifying  that suspect Thomas Wayne Coldiron had identified Stallworth as one of the five inside the Billings home on July 9 when the couple was murdered. Coldiron told investigators that Stallworth did have a weapon. Investigators said that Stallworth is the man that carried safe out of the Billings home.

Escambia (Fla.) officials were required to prepare the extradition warrant to send to Alabama Gov. Bob Riley to have Stallworth sent back to Florida. Florida officials were given up to 24 days to finish their paperwork.

At the time of the murders, Stallworth was assigned to the 1st Special Operations Aircraft Maintenance Squadron at Hurlburt Field.  The 1999 T.R. Miller High School graduate is a Brewton native. His family still resides in the Brewton area.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 07:21:18 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:21:21 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.

Yes, and we managed, and didn't starve to death, after all.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Ms. Pam reminds me of CinCin.  Thinks the law doesn't apply to her it seems.  She is lower than dirt!    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:23:57 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Well, that is the million dollar question.  I agree with you that if it was just a hit on Byrd, that could be done in some other way or place.  I think they both were the target.  I just don't know why or who wanted it done.  Do you have a theory?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.

Yes, and we managed, and didn't starve to death, after all.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Ms. Pam reminds me of CinCin.  Thinks the law doesn't apply to her it seems.  She is lower than dirt!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

What I want to know is why she is strutting and smirking around?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:31:49 PM
Sorry I keep missing everyone.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Enjoy your evening.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/3-2.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 27, 2009, 07:33:30 PM
Sorry I keep missing everyone.   ::MonkeyWaa::

Enjoy your evening.   ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/3-2.gif)

Sorry I missed you too. I do have some thoughts, but nothing I can back up with links yet. Good Night Cece.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:33:31 PM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.

Yes, and we managed, and didn't starve to death, after all.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Ms. Pam reminds me of CinCin.  Thinks the law doesn't apply to her it seems.  She is lower than dirt!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

What I want to know is why she is strutting and smirking around?

I'd like to smack that smirk right off her face.  She thinks she is entitled to anything she wants.  Where do these people come from?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 27, 2009, 07:34:34 PM
Good night Fanny Mae.  I'll try to catch up with everyone tomorrow.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 28, 2009, 10:46:10 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9776

New Today: Murder Suspect Gonzalez Jr Has IRS Problem



July 28, 2009

Billings murder suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr has a problem with the IRS over unpaid self employment taxes from 2006.

taxliengonjr.jpgThe Internal Revenue Service file a federal tax lien Monday in Santa Rosa County Court against Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr and his wife Tabatha C. Gonzalez. The total amount of the lien is $7,736.98.

The lien for the 2006 tax period was filed by the small business and self employed area of the IRS. The address listed on the lien is a post office box in Gulf Breeze that Gonzalez Jr used for his business UDT Institute. UDT stood for Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute, a business that Gonzalez said under oath was to provide criminal countermeasures training for wealthy persons.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 02:01:12 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9776

New Today: Murder Suspect Gonzalez Jr Has IRS Problem



July 28, 2009

Billings murder suspect Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr has a problem with the IRS over unpaid self employment taxes from 2006.

taxliengonjr.jpgThe Internal Revenue Service file a federal tax lien Monday in Santa Rosa County Court against Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr and his wife Tabatha C. Gonzalez. The total amount of the lien is $7,736.98.

The lien for the 2006 tax period was filed by the small business and self employed area of the IRS. The address listed on the lien is a post office box in Gulf Breeze that Gonzalez Jr used for his business UDT Institute. UDT stood for Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute, a business that Gonzalez said under oath was to provide criminal countermeasures training for wealthy persons.



I would have expected nothing less than not paying taxes. Why should he?? He was a criminal, he didn't need to. He was playing the system too.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Madre on July 28, 2009, 06:22:44 PM
Have you seen Rick's blog,  http://ricksblog.biz/   EX HEXES TICE re Mr. and Ms. Tice and Lucy Stolfi?!?  I believe one of the people I just listed might be at the bottom of this.   Lots of connections, cash businesses, shady connections, weird Soverign stuff, etc. etc. etc.  I don't want to trash Mr. Billings as they did not deserve to die, but when you own and operate the 3 prongs of a used car business - sales, financing, and repo, it's can lend itself to abuses.   I also wonder if Ms Tice was the woman that paid Gonzales, Jr. $150,000 to find dirt on her husband (if his testimony in the deposition taken several years ago is accurate).  This horrible crime sure is a humdinger!   (sorry, I still don't know how to point exactly to the article...scroll down until you see Ex Hexes Tice...also he has written several articles about this crime and Politico has picked up several).  Keep scrolling down to see them if you're interested.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Madre on July 28, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 28, 2009, 06:36:27 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!
Michael, but Michael who  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 28, 2009, 07:54:21 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!

Are you thinking of the husband of Lucy?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Madre on July 28, 2009, 10:16:06 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!
Michael, but Michael who  ::MonkeyConfused::

bio son of Byrd...the one who Byrd  took to court for child support.   IDK much about him except was thinking of what Fannie said about who had the most to gain.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Madre on July 28, 2009, 10:23:00 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!

Are you thinking of the husband of Lucy?


Well, I was cold... ::MonkeyHaHa::  Who is Lucy's husband?!!!  Haven't heard anything about him, that I remember.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Madre on July 28, 2009, 11:09:10 PM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!

Are you thinking of the husband of Lucy?


Well, I was cold... ::MonkeyHaHa::  Who is Lucy's husband?!!!  Haven't heard anything about him, that I remember.




Sorry to get in your quote Fanny ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 29, 2009, 12:41:44 AM
Fanny Mae, I think the answer is this:  you must be a liar.
When you don't lie, they go over your records from stem to stern.  How well I know, trying to get help for ex and now my sister.  Geesh, you would think we never worked or paid taxes.  I hope they nail Wiggins or whatever her most recent name is to the wall.  She will probably say she is married to Gonzaela (sp) so can't talk.  Nothing about this person would come as a surprise.

My son said almost the same thing you did. We did not have falsified documents at the ready. We were truthful and were punished for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes, but you have a clear conscience and know what self-respect is all about.  Course, the liars don't have a conscience at all.

Yes, and we managed, and didn't starve to death, after all.  ::MonkeyDevil::

Ms. Pam reminds me of CinCin.  Thinks the law doesn't apply to her it seems.  She is lower than dirt!    ::MonkeyNoNo::

What I want to know is why she is strutting and smirking around?

I'd like to smack that smirk right off her face.  She thinks she is entitled to anything she wants.  Where do these people come from?

I gert angry everytime I see her.  Piece of trash is what I think.  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090729/NEWS01/907290356

Coldiron did time for homicide, attack

Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 29, 2009

After a night of drinking more than a decade ago, Wayne Coldiron cut his cousin across the neck with a broken bottle during a quarrel over liquor.

Coldiron, 41, is one of seven men charged in the July 9 home invasion that resulted in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings, a Beulah couple known for adopting special-needs children.

Coldiron's criminal history dating back to 1992 is pockmarked with violence.

Records obtained from an August 1998 arrest show that Coldiron, then a 30-year-old cook in a Hallandale diner in Broward County, sliced his roommate and cousin, Carlton Gillis.

When officers arrived, they found Gillis bleeding, holding a towel at the side of his neck. He told the officers that Coldiron cut him with a broken bottle as they argued over a "bottle of vodka," according to a copy of the arrest report.

Officers found Coldiron nearby. He made no effort to hide what he did, throwing up his hands and saying, "I did it," the report said.

Gillis received stitches and staples at a Hollywood hospital to close the 9-inch gash along his neck.

Coldiron pleaded guilty to a charge of aggravated battery and spent 21 months in Florida's prison system.

It was not his first violent brush with the law.

Six years before, he spent time in a Tennessee prison for killing a man.

In 1992, an argument between Coldiron and an acquaintance, Terry Corbett, erupted at a home in rural Hamblen County, according to a Tennessee court document.

Coldiron called 911, saying he defended himself against Corbett's attack. Corbett declined immediate medical attention and was taken to his mother's home by officers. He died the next day after being taken to a hospital.

Coldiron eventually pleaded guilty to a charge of criminal negligent homicide and was sentenced to two years in prison.

When Coldiron was released, he gave the Department of Corrections a new address of the Salvation Army in Pensacola, records show. In 2002, he took a job with a plumbing company in Pensacola.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 29, 2009, 10:25:38 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

Latest news articles from PNJ (Pensacola News Journal)

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090729/NEWS01/907290333

'Operation Cold Dish'
Gonzalez touted understanding of 'criminal thought processes'
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 29, 2009

  Nearly two years ago, a Pensacola-area woman, embroiled in a dispute with one of her ex-husbands, wanted to gather incriminating information on him.



She went to Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.

She told him that she had heard he was a man who could get things done.

By Gonzalez's account, the woman offered him $1 million if he could develop enough information to tie her ex-husband to some sort of criminal activity and land him in jail.

According to Gonzalez, she nicknamed his mission "Operation Cold Dish."

"Revenge is a dish best served cold," he reported her saying.

Gonzalez's account is contained in a 2008 deposition that he gave to the ex-husband's attorney after Gonzalez's relationship with the ex-wife soured.

The deposition of more than 100 pages, made available to the News Journal, contains chilling details about Gonzalez's claims of expertise in counter-surveillance.

"I understand the criminal thought processes," Gonzalez said, explaining he'd been arrested several times in the past.

"I can help people decide what's the best measures they should take to protect themselves and their families and businesses. That's what I do."

Gonzalez, 35, is believed to be the ringleader of a group of seven people who participated in a home invasion that resulted in the July 9 deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Several co-defendants, according to arrest reports, have told investigators that Gonzalez, dressed in black ninja disguise, fired the multiple shots that killed the Beulah couple.

The seven all face open counts of murder. An eighth suspect, a woman, is charged as an accessory after the fact to felony murder.

Before Gonzalez severed his working relationship with the woman, he had performed 1,600 hours of surveillance on her former husband, combed every square inch of the his personal background and followed him around the country. He investigated whether the man was involved in drug dealing or pearl smuggling. He obtained his military records. He swept the ex-wife's house for eavesdropping bugs that she was convinced her former husband planted them.


Gonzalez conceded in the deposition that he was not a licensed private investigator; rather, he did research and provided consultations. He made several mentions of a "team" who helped him, including "a man from the Department of Homeland Security."



Ultimately, Gonzalez never discovered any wrongdoing on the part of the ex-husband, a professional man.

"There was nothing to link this guy to anything," Gonzalez said. "Nothing."

Unable to come up with what his client wanted, Gonzalez didn't end up with a $1 million payday.

But Pensacola attorney Jim Jenkins, who represented the ex-husband, said bank records and phone calls with the ex-wife, secretly recorded by Gonzalez, showed that he received $150,000 before he severed ties with her.

The meeting
Gonzalez said in the deposition that he first met the ex-wife in November 2007 after one of her children began attending a martial arts school that he ran with his wife, Tabatha.

Through his school, known as Project FIGHTBACK, he claimed to have taught martial arts to more than 11,000 children, as well as self-defense awareness to thousands of women. In a recent court appearance, Gonzalez upped that number to 20,000.

In January 2008, Gonzalez said, he decided to start a company, Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute, to be known as UDT Institute and to be geared to wealthy women going through divorces.

"We can do a threat analysis, get information on the husband, what he's doing, what type of threat he may pose to the family, do an analysis of the home, where the weak points in the house are, consult with companies that do alarms and that sort of thing to help them there," Gonzalez said in the deposition.

He also noted that women going through divorces often have restraining orders, with their only piece of mind coming from an alarm system that notifies police when "somebody ... has breached their home."

"Well, at that point, it's a little late," he said.

In February 2008, the ex-wife, by then known to Gonzalez through the martial arts program, approached him about the possibility of digging up negative information on her ex-husband and, as an aside, mentioned gathering some information on her current husband, too.


She believed the ex-husband wanted to steal what she called "her fortune."



"She asked what it would cost to conduct a threat analysis for her and do some defensive tactics consultation for her family and research her husband," Gonzalez said.

'Operation Cold Dish'

Gonzalez embarked on an effort to find wrongdoing by the ex-husband.

When he couldn't find anything, the ex-wife said she wanted to frame him, Gonzalez said in the deposition.

It was at that point, Gonzalez said, that the woman came up with the "Operation Cold Dish" moniker.

"If we couldn't find it, she wanted us to create it," Gonzalez said. "She wanted to discredit him and let him go to jail, give him something to think about. That was originally, and then we went to Operation Cold Dish, which was we were going to make sure he was going to jail."

Gonzalez said he refused his client's request to plant drugs on her ex-husband.

"I wasn't going to commit a crime," he said. "I wasn't going to take any aggressive action toward the subject."

Gonzalez asked how he would be paid.

At the beginning of their relationship, the ex-wife paid Gonzalez with checks to Project FIGHTBACK, But she said those checks were drawing the attention of her money manager.

So, to exchange money without raising eyebrows, the ex-wife set up an out-of-state dummy corporation to pay him through UDT Institute.

If the ex-husband was put in jail, Gonzalez would be paid.

"She didn't want it traced back to her that we were getting money from her," Gonzalez said.

'I was stunned'

Shortly after Gonzalez got to know the ex-wife, he began to consider her something of a friend. He even was invited to parties at her home.

"A lot of times people invite me to these parties because I am a good person of interest to make conversation," he said. "It's just kind of fun to have me there. I'm good at telling jokes and getting everybody excited."  ::MonkeyConfused::

But, after several months, Gonzalez worried he was getting in over his head in his effort to track the ex-husband.

That's when he went to Jenkins, the man's lawyer, with an account of the ex-wife's activities.

Jenkins said he didn't believe Gonzalez at first. But then Gonzalez presented him with the recordings of calls between him and the ex-wife, the ex-wife's voice dictating the setup of her former husband.

Gonzalez's arrest took Jenkins by surprise.

"From what I knew about him, he was a very skilled martial artist and I was told that he had been a bodyguard," Jenkins said. "When I heard he had been arrested in this Billings incident, I was stunned."

Editor's note: The News Journal is not identifying either Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.'s client or her former husband because they are not involved in the investigation of the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 10:28:05 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090729/NEWS01/907290333

'Operation Cold Dish'
Gonzalez touted understanding of 'criminal thought processes'

Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • July 29, 2009

Nearly two years ago, a Pensacola-area woman, embroiled in a dispute with one of her ex-husbands, wanted to gather incriminating information on him.

She went to Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.

She told him that she had heard he was a man who could get things done.

By Gonzalez's account, the woman offered him $1 million if he could develop enough information to tie her ex-husband to some sort of criminal activity and land him in jail.

According to Gonzalez, she nicknamed his mission "Operation Cold Dish."

"Revenge is a dish best served cold," he reported her saying.

Gonzalez's account is contained in a 2008 deposition that he gave to the ex-husband's attorney after Gonzalez's relationship with the ex-wife soured.

The deposition of more than 100 pages, made available to the News Journal, contains chilling details about Gonzalez's claims of expertise in counter-surveillance.

"I understand the criminal thought processes," Gonzalez said, explaining he'd been arrested several times in the past.

"I can help people decide what's the best measures they should take to protect themselves and their families and businesses. That's what I do."

Gonzalez, 35, is believed to be the ringleader of a group of seven people who participated in a home invasion that resulted in the July 9 deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Several co-defendants, according to arrest reports, have told investigators that Gonzalez, dressed in black ninja disguise, fired the multiple shots that killed the Beulah couple.

The seven all face open counts of murder. An eighth suspect, a woman, is charged as an accessory after the fact to felony murder.

Before Gonzalez severed his working relationship with the woman, he had performed 1,600 hours of surveillance on her former husband, combed every square inch of the his personal background and followed him around the country. He investigated whether the man was involved in drug dealing or pearl smuggling. He obtained his military records. He swept the ex-wife's house for eavesdropping bugs that she was convinced her former husband planted there.
(2 of 3)

Gonzalez conceded in the deposition that he was not a licensed private investigator; rather, he did research and provided consultations. He made several mentions of a "team" who helped him, including "a man from the Department of Homeland Security."
Advertisement

Ultimately, Gonzalez never discovered any wrongdoing on the part of the ex-husband, a professional man.

"There was nothing to link this guy to anything," Gonzalez said. "Nothing."

Unable to come up with what his client wanted, Gonzalez didn't end up with a $1 million payday.

But Pensacola attorney Jim Jenkins, who represented the ex-husband, said bank records and phone calls with the ex-wife, secretly recorded by Gonzalez, showed that he received $150,000 before he severed ties with her.
The meeting

Gonzalez said in the deposition that he first met the ex-wife in November 2007 after one of her children began attending a martial arts school that he ran with his wife, Tabatha.

Through his school, known as Project FIGHTBACK, he claimed to have taught martial arts to more than 11,000 children, as well as self-defense awareness to thousands of women. In a recent court appearance, Gonzalez upped that number to 20,000.

In January 2008, Gonzalez said, he decided to start a company, Ultimate Defensive Tactics Institute, to be known as UDT Institute and to be geared to wealthy women going through divorces.

"We can do a threat analysis, get information on the husband, what he's doing, what type of threat he may pose to the family, do an analysis of the home, where the weak points in the house are, consult with companies that do alarms and that sort of thing to help them there," Gonzalez said in the deposition.

He also noted that women going through divorces often have restraining orders, with their only piece of mind coming from an alarm system that notifies police when "somebody ... has breached their home."

"Well, at that point, it's a little late," he said.

In February 2008, the ex-wife, by then known to Gonzalez through the martial arts program, approached him about the possibility of digging up negative information on her ex-husband and, as an aside, mentioned gathering some information on her current husband, too.
(3 of 3)

She believed the ex-husband wanted to steal what she called "her fortune."
Advertisement

"She asked what it would cost to conduct a threat analysis for her and do some defensive tactics consultation for her family and research her husband," Gonzalez said.

'Operation Cold Dish'

Gonzalez embarked on an effort to find wrongdoing by the ex-husband.

When he couldn't find anything, the ex-wife said she wanted to frame him, Gonzalez said in the deposition.

It was at that point, Gonzalez said, that the woman came up with the "Operation Cold Dish" moniker.

"If we couldn't find it, she wanted us to create it," Gonzalez said. "She wanted to discredit him and let him go to jail, give him something to think about. That was originally, and then we went to Operation Cold Dish, which was we were going to make sure he was going to jail."

Gonzalez said he refused his client's request to plant drugs on her ex-husband.

"I wasn't going to commit a crime," he said. "I wasn't going to take any aggressive action toward the subject."

Gonzalez asked how he would be paid.

At the beginning of their relationship, the ex-wife paid Gonzalez with checks to Project FIGHTBACK, But she said those checks were drawing the attention of her money manager.

So, to exchange money without raising eyebrows, the ex-wife set up an out-of-state dummy corporation to pay him through UDT Institute.

If the ex-husband was put in jail, Gonzalez would be paid.

"She didn't want it traced back to her that we were getting money from her," Gonzalez said.

'I was stunned'

Shortly after Gonzalez got to know the ex-wife, he began to consider her something of a friend. He even was invited to parties at her home.

"A lot of times people invite me to these parties because I am a good person of interest to make conversation," he said. "It's just kind of fun to have me there. I'm good at telling jokes and getting everybody excited."

But, after several months, Gonzalez worried he was getting in over his head in his effort to track the ex-husband.

That's when he went to Jenkins, the man's lawyer, with an account of the ex-wife's activities.

Jenkins said he didn't believe Gonzalez at first. But then Gonzalez presented him with the recordings of calls between him and the ex-wife, the ex-wife's voice dictating the setup of her former husband.

Gonzalez's arrest took Jenkins by surprise.

"From what I knew about him, he was a very skilled martial artist and I was told that he had been a bodyguard," Jenkins said. "When I heard he had been arrested in this Billings incident, I was stunned."

Editor's note: The News Journal is not identifying either Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.'s client or her former husband because they are not involved in the investigation of the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 10:29:23 AM
Good morning IM.  Sorry, I didn't see you there & just repeated you.   ::MonkeyWaa::
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 10:36:15 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Stallworth_Booked_Into_Florida_Jail

Stallworth booked into
Florida jail

Updated: Tuesday, 28 Jul 2009, 6:29 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 28 Jul 2009, 6:29 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Liz Nelson
    * Photojournalist: Hal Scheurich

PENSACOLA, Fla. - A large van pulled up to the Escambia County Jail. In it, a Hurlburt airman accused of murdering Byrd and Melanie Billings.

FOX10 News asked 28-year-old Donnie Stallworth whether he was guilty when he walked in. He didn't respond to the questions.

Homicide investigators waited for him to arrive. Court documents say that Stallworth's Ford Explorer was searched right after the murder. Investigators found black clothing inside.

All other murder suspects were booked into the Escambia County Jail right after their arrests. Since Stallworth turned himself in to Escambia County, Alabama authorities, he had to stay there until the proper paperwork was filed.

"It allows the case against him to move forward," Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said.

The state attorney's office says without Stallworth in Florida, the proceedings were slowed down.

"It allows the case against him to move forward. Until he was actually here in Escambia County Jail, we were not able to proceed. Since he is here now and we're moving forward, we'll be able to have him set for arraignment and move all cases forward," Marcille said.

Stallworth's first appearance will be Wednesday afternoon at 1:30. That's when a judge will set his bond and determine probable cause.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 29, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
Good morning IM.  Sorry, I didn't see you there & just repeated you.   ::MonkeyWaa::
 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL~Well, it's not like I haven't done it.....but even worse, I've repeated MYSELF ::MonkeyEek:: and I was sober when I did it ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: no rose colored glasses on July 29, 2009, 10:39:34 AM
I have asked this question before, but I will ask it again. WHO WOULD BENEFIT MOST BY THE DEATH OF BOTH OF THE BILLINGS???

Hey Fanny!  Are you thinking about who I think you are?  Man has first name of the Jackson fame?  Am I hot or cold?  ::MonkeyEek:: If I made the right guess, I've wondered myself.  This case is crazy!
Michael, but Michael who  ::MonkeyConfused::

bio son of Byrd...the one who Byrd  took to court for child support.   IDK much about him except was thinking of what Fannie said about who had the most to gain.
Thanks, that would make sense.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 10:41:07 AM
Good morning IM.  Sorry, I didn't see you there & just repeated you.   ::MonkeyWaa::
 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: LOL~Well, it's not like I haven't done it.....but even worse, I've repeated MYSELF ::MonkeyEek:: and I was sober when I did it ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: 

Hope you are having a great morning.  I'm off to get some things done & will check back with you later.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 29, 2009, 06:19:27 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Stallworth_In_Court_For_Bond_Hearing

No bond for Stallworth

Updated: Wednesday, 29 Jul 2009, 2:15 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 29 Jul 2009, 12:39 PM CDT

    * Liz Nelson

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Bond was denied for Donnie Stallworth, a suspect in the investigation of the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. Stallworth was extradited Tuesday from Brewton, Ala. to Pensacola, Fla.

Stallworth was denied bond because the judge believed he would be a flight risk. The lawyer for Stallworth said he plans to ask for a reduction in bond. Stallworth is expected to plead not guilty in the Billings' murders.

Stallworth was held in the Escambia Co, Ala. jail under $1 million bond. While there, the sheriff said he was being kept out of the jail's general population, for his own safety.

The 28-year-old is one of the many suspects being held in connection with the murder of the Billings. Detectives say Stallworth was capable, knowledgeable, and responsible for killing the Florida couple.

Seven other suspects have been charged in the Billings' murders. Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Wayne Coldiron, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, Jr., and Rakeem Florence have all been arrested in connection to the murders, and charged with open counts of murder.

Pamela Long Wiggins has been arrested and charged as being an accessory after the fact. Authorities found the safe that was stolen from the Billings' house buried in her back yard. She's due back in court August 5.

Authorities have also opened a food stamp fraud investigation against Wiggins.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 29, 2009, 07:30:00 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Stallworth_In_Court_For_Bond_Hearing

No bond for Stallworth

Updated: Wednesday, 29 Jul 2009, 2:15 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 29 Jul 2009, 12:39 PM CDT

    * Liz Nelson

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Bond was denied for Donnie Stallworth, a suspect in the investigation of the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. Stallworth was extradited Tuesday from Brewton, Ala. to Pensacola, Fla.

Stallworth was denied bond because the judge believed he would be a flight risk. The lawyer for Stallworth said he plans to ask for a reduction in bond. Stallworth is expected to plead not guilty in the Billings' murders.

Stallworth was held in the Escambia Co, Ala. jail under $1 million bond. While there, the sheriff said he was being kept out of the jail's general population, for his own safety.

The 28-year-old is one of the many suspects being held in connection with the murder of the Billings. Detectives say Stallworth was capable, knowledgeable, and responsible for killing the Florida couple.

Seven other suspects have been charged in the Billings' murders. Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Wayne Coldiron, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, Jr., and Rakeem Florence have all been arrested in connection to the murders, and charged with open counts of murder.

Pamela Long Wiggins has been arrested and charged as being an accessory after the fact. Authorities found the safe that was stolen from the Billings' house buried in her back yard. She's due back in court August 5.

Authorities have also opened a food stamp fraud investigation against Wiggins.


I wonder what Pamela has to do to get her azz put back in jail?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 30, 2009, 12:23:40 AM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7036


Missing cars
July 29 20095 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

According to our sources, the business issue between Bud Billings and Henry “Cab” Tice involved “disappearing” cars from the Tice car lots.

Billings’ finance company, Worldco Financial Services, financed Tice’s floor plan ( See UCC). Worldco was to be paid as cars were being sold off the lot.

Bud Billings suspected that the missing cars possibly were being retitled in Alabama and shipped to Mexico and/or Honduras to be sold. Worldco was left holding the titles to cars that no longer existed.






M OT I V E ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 30, 2009, 08:53:45 AM
There's than Honduran connection again. Why would they drive them all that was when they could have just as easily been shipped through a port? Cars, one way, Mahogany lumber the other.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 30, 2009, 08:55:00 AM
There's than thatHonduran connection again. Why would they drive them all that was when they could have just as easily been shipped through a port? Cars, one way, Mahogany lumber the other.   ::MonkeyRoll::


self edit


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on July 30, 2009, 12:16:08 PM
If ths has already been posted, please forgive.
It explains a lot to me.  It is from Rick's Blog


July 30 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

A former of employee of a used car dealership tied to the late Bud Billings recalls his time with Billings as a rollercoaster of shady deals and high pressure collections.

He saw his former boss Ronald “Ronnie” Phillips, the owner of Beach Autos, Inc, forced out of the dealership by Billings to a new partner, who he claims was Henry “Cab” Tice.

Beach Autos, Inc. was formed in January 2002 with the late Melanie Billings as the registered agent (P0010964 ). In 2003, Terry Clement was named president and Ms. Billings remained the VP, Sec. And Treas (Beach 2003 ). In 2004, Clement, who had worked for several dealership in Car City, was gone–Melanie returned as President and the daughter Ashley Billings became vice president and Byrd “Bud” Billings was named the Sec (Beach 2004).

In 2005, Melanie replaced Bud as the Sec (Beach 2005 ). Later that year, Ronald and Patricia Phillips took over as the registered agent and officers. In documents filed the Escambia County Clerk of Courts, Beach Auto’s was sold to the Phillips by Melanie Brock (Billings) and Worldco Financial Services financed the floor inventory and lot sales (Beach 2005 A ). In February 2007, Ronnie Phillips signed a promissory note with Worldco for $27,000 and to be paid back in monthly installments of $2400 each. See UCC filings: Beach 1, Beach 2.

Phillips defaulted on the loan and Worldco filed a civil suit (2007 CA002990) against the Phillips, Beach Auto and Edward Horton. At the time, Worldco claimed Beach Auto owed the company $55,576.25 on the general agreement (floor plan) and $14,085.85 on the promissory note. The suit ended in a judgment against Phillips for $69,662.10. (2008037992-1 )

The employee who call the IN offices from Mississippi says that he believes Phillips left not on the medical leave that he said, but on knowing that he would soon be squeezed out of the dealership.

“I think what happened is that Ronnie ripped all the money he could (out of the business) and got out of there before things got bad,” says the former employee.

He remembers Billings and Tice as both ruthless businessmen who were out to make a buck at any cost. However, we could find no record that Tice actually took over the Beach Autos dealership.

“(Before Ronnie left) Bud called him one day and said he had to fire me or he was going to shut the place down,” he says. “Ronnie told me I need you more than (Bud), so he didn’t do anything. Bud called me an hour after that and said, ‘I don’t think I’ve told you what a good job you are doing.’ He set all of that up before Cab ended up (taking over).”

Even after Billings had said he was retired from the business, he still was running the shots. “The whole retiring thing I never bought. Bud was very active. He ran it all. He was the one you answered to; he just wouldn’t put it in his name. He would set you up and barely let you hold on.”

He also recalls Billings taking cars off the lot that were not his and selling them.

“He came in while repossessed and knowingly took the cars off the lot that weren’t his,” he says. “But technically, because they were repossessed, (law enforcement) couldn’t do anything about it.”

When he heard of the possible Tice tie with the murder of Bud and Melanie Billings, he immediately thought of the Beach dealership.

“From my understanding is that Cab tried to split from Bud and there was $200,000 worth of cars that he took,” he says.

He says when the business closed there were many unpaid debts—particularly warranties.

“Anything outstanding (wasn’t paid),” he says. “It may have been 30, 40, 50 warranties that never got paid.”

Popularity: 1% [?]


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 30, 2009, 01:39:22 PM
Thank You, Magnolia. Very interesting.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on July 30, 2009, 02:35:37 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::

I have been following this tragic case for a while now and I must say this just keeps getting deeper and deeper every day with the new information that comes out.  I do not think that this awful tragedy was over a robbery and nothing else ... way to much involved for that, in my opinion. 

I read way more than I post, but I wanted to thank all of you for bringing the information to the board here to share with everyone. I enjoy watching the sleuthing going on to find the facts.  I am not the greatest researcher, but I found a link that has a Billings Timeline that I thought might help to use as a reference on all the information that has been put out there.  Not sure if any of you are familiar with ACandyRose Timelines website but she does an excellent job of her timelines and I have utilized her case histories on other cases in the past to help put the whole picture together.  You can find the link to the Billings Timeline on the index page of her website here ... http://www.acandyrose.com  ... just click on the Billings case picture.

Thanks to all you Monkey's for trying to find justice in these cases that are being followed here ... there is pride in being a voice for those who can't speak for themselves.

Hope you all have a good day!  ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 30, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
Good Afternoon Monkeys  ::MonkeyCool::

I have been following this tragic case for a while now and I must say this just keeps getting deeper and deeper every day with the new information that comes out.  I do not think that this awful tragedy was over a robbery and nothing else ... way to much involved for that, in my opinion. 

I read way more than I post, but I wanted to thank all of you for bringing the information to the board here to share with everyone. I enjoy watching the sleuthing going on to find the facts.  I am not the greatest researcher, but I found a link that has a Billings Timeline that I thought might help to use as a reference on all the information that has been put out there.  Not sure if any of you are familiar with ACandyRose Timelines website but she does an excellent job of her timelines and I have utilized her case histories on other cases in the past to help put the whole picture together.  You can find the link to the Billings Timeline on the index page of her website here ... http://www.acandyrose.com  ... just click on the Billings case picture.

Thanks to all you Monkey's for trying to find justice in these cases that are being followed here ... there is pride in being a voice for those who can't speak for themselves.

Hope you all have a good day!  ::MonkeyWink::



Thanks Rizzy~I'm very familiar with acandyrose from the Stacy Peterson case, and you are right she does an excellent job......heading over to check it out now.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on July 30, 2009, 02:56:08 PM
You are welcome islandmonkey  ::MonkeyWink::

I also have found that ACR is very detailed in her timelines and they are a big help on a lot of the cases ... don't know how she finds the time to put all that infomation together on all these cases but she is great at it .... I can't keep it straight from page to page!! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Looks like she is going to be adding more stuff to the "read only" forum ... looking forward to seeing what she comes up with!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 30, 2009, 05:02:41 PM
RIZZY,thank you for joining in on the thread, and bringing forward the information. Every little bit helps.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on July 30, 2009, 06:50:41 PM
RIZZY,thank you for joining in on the thread, and bringing forward the information. Every little bit helps.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Fanny Mae!  I have been reading from the beginning but it seems that since the suspects were caught that a lot seem to think this case is over .... I think there is a lot more to this story to come yet.  If you read the timeline over at the ACandyRose site and are able to look at the dates and events in order .... there are a lot of things that leave questions still to be answered .... on both sides of the fence.  It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

BTW, here is a little good news I was happy to see  ....

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9825

BREAKING NEWS: Pamela Long Wiggins Arrested On Bigamy Charges For Having Two Husbands
July 30, 2009

*snip*

BREAKING NEWS:  Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, has been arrested again in Escambia County — this time on bigamy charges for being married to two men at the same time.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 30, 2009, 08:14:24 PM
RIZZY,thank you for joining in on the thread, and bringing forward the information. Every little bit helps.   ::MonkeyWink::

Thank you Fanny Mae!  I have been reading from the beginning but it seems that since the suspects were caught that a lot seem to think this case is over .... I think there is a lot more to this story to come yet.  If you read the timeline over at the ACandyRose site and are able to look at the dates and events in order .... there are a lot of things that leave questions still to be answered .... on both sides of the fence.  It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

BTW, here is a little good news I was happy to see  ....

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9825

BREAKING NEWS: Pamela Long Wiggins Arrested On Bigamy Charges For Having Two Husbands
July 30, 2009

*snip*

BREAKING NEWS:  Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, has been arrested again in Escambia County — this time on bigamy charges for being married to two men at the same time.



Thanks Rizzy. I missed this when you posted. I have been over on Caylee's thread most of the day.

I guess she will be out in short order if her bail is only $5,000. I hope they will put her in for the big one soon.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 31, 2009, 10:59:34 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/assault/BillingsMurderRecap

Billings murder recap
It's been 3 weeks since the couple
was killed

Updated: Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 31, 2009, 11:16:48 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/assault/BillingsMurderRecap

Billings murder recap
It's been 3 weeks since the couple
was killed

Updated: Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT



Looks like they are not going to come off any more information than they did to begin with. We will just keep digging.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 31, 2009, 11:27:01 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/assault/BillingsMurderRecap

Billings murder recap
It's been 3 weeks since the couple
was killed

Updated: Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT
Published : Thursday, 30 Jul 2009, 7:42 PM CDT



Looks like they are not going to come off any more information than they did to begin with. We will just keep digging.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree.  You guys are doing a better job at digging than the media is.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I wondered why her original bond was not revoked:

(snipped)

Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said even though Long Wiggins has been charged with a second felony, prosecutors can't seek to have her bond revoked on the accessory charge because the second marriage happened before her earlier arrest in the slayings.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090731/NEWS01/907310332/Wiggins-charged-with-bigamy&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

link to photo gallery of her leaving jail.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090730&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=907300806&Ref=PH


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 31, 2009, 03:11:37 PM
Now how the heck is her marrying Hugh Wiggins going to shield him from back income taxes?? That excuse is lame.

Oh yeah, seeing her and all her glory strolling out of the jailhouse, I can see how men are just clamoring all over each other to marry her.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She must have had plastic surgery on her face to have that permanent smirk plastered on it. I don't think she has anything to be smirking about at this point. I hope they arrest her every other day for all the things she's been involved in, and finally they will put her there for good. The plans for the Billings job were made at her house on Bramblewood before the fact. That is enough for me to say she should be charged with murder just like the rest.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 31, 2009, 04:15:53 PM
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

July 31st, 2009
Authorities suspect contracted hit in couple’s slaying, source says
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti
CNN
(CNN) — A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN the state attorney’s office believes there were two motives in the home invasion murder of Florida couple Byrd and Melanie Billings — robbery and a contracted hit.

The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office has long said that it believed robbery was the prime motive, but that it would explore all avenues.

The source said the state attorney’s office is currently working under the belief that most of the suspects in the case believed they were there for a robbery, but that Leonard Gonzalez Jr., who authorities have described as the organizer of the crime, and other yet-unnamed suspects were there to carry out a hit on the couple.

The source said that from “Gonzalez down” it was a robbery and that from “Gonzalez up” it was a hit. The source was not sure of the exact motive behind the hit.

The office of State Attorney Bill Eddins declined comment.  ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet he did ::MonkeyRoll::





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 31, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

July 31st, 2009
Authorities suspect contracted hit in couple’s slaying, source says
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti
CNN
(CNN) — A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN the state attorney’s office believes there were two motives in the home invasion murder of Florida couple Byrd and Melanie Billings — robbery and a contracted hit.

The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office has long said that it believed robbery was the prime motive, but that it would explore all avenues.

The source said the state attorney’s office is currently working under the belief that most of the suspects in the case believed they were there for a robbery, but that Leonard Gonzalez Jr., who authorities have described as the organizer of the crime, and other yet-unnamed suspects were there to carry out a hit on the couple.

The source said that from “Gonzalez down” it was a robbery and that from “Gonzalez up” it was a hit. The source was not sure of the exact motive behind the hit.

The office of State Attorney Bill Eddins declined comment.  ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet he did ::MonkeyRoll::






This makes much more sense. 

Thank you IM.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 31, 2009, 04:39:01 PM
I forgot to add that I'm not sure Pam was there just for robbery.  How much would her cut have been?  Don't think that would help her out of all her problems.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on July 31, 2009, 05:47:47 PM
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

July 31st, 2009
Authorities suspect contracted hit in couple’s slaying, source says
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti
CNN
(CNN) — A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN the state attorney’s office believes there were two motives in the home invasion murder of Florida couple Byrd and Melanie Billings — robbery and a contracted hit.

The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office has long said that it believed robbery was the prime motive, but that it would explore all avenues.

The source said the state attorney’s office is currently working under the belief that most of the suspects in the case believed they were there for a robbery, but that Leonard Gonzalez Jr., who authorities have described as the organizer of the crime, and other yet-unnamed suspects were there to carry out a hit on the couple.

The source said that from “Gonzalez down” it was a robbery and that from “Gonzalez up” it was a hit. The source was not sure of the exact motive behind the hit.

The office of State Attorney Bill Eddins declined comment.  ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet he did ::MonkeyRoll::





Why exactly has the SA been so reluctant to say it was a hit? It is not like anyone is going to be tipped off. Even the most amatuer armchair detective could figure out that you don't take that many people into a home for a simple robbery. Lay out a little of your evidence, and I bet the SA and Sheriff would have more people running to them with what they know in droves. Make it sound like something mysterious and something you are trying to hide and coverup, and people are going to crawl back in their holes and not get involved. It makes me suspicious how the SA is handling this. The DEA being involved is a possible answer, but I am not sure that is the reason why.    ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on July 31, 2009, 06:58:13 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/BIllings_Murders_A_Contract_Hit

BIllings murders a
contract hit?

Updated: Friday, 31 Jul 2009, 5:32 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 31 Jul 2009, 5:12 PM CDT

    * Randy Merrow

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Florida State Attorney Bill Eddins is denying a report from CNN that the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings might have been a contract hit.

The report, citing a source with knowledge of the investigation, says that only suspect Leonard Gonzalez, Jr. knew of the plan to murder the Billings. The report goes on to say the other suspects in the case only knew about a robbery.

As of late Friday afternoon, Eddins says there is no evidence to support that version of events. Eddins maintains that the crime is a home invasion robbery.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 31, 2009, 07:00:53 PM
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2009/07/31/authorities-suspect-contracted-hit-in-couples-slaying-source-says/

July 31st, 2009
Authorities suspect contracted hit in couple’s slaying, source says
Posted: 02:51 PM ET
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti
CNN
(CNN) — A source with knowledge of the investigation tells CNN the state attorney’s office believes there were two motives in the home invasion murder of Florida couple Byrd and Melanie Billings — robbery and a contracted hit.

The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office has long said that it believed robbery was the prime motive, but that it would explore all avenues.

The source said the state attorney’s office is currently working under the belief that most of the suspects in the case believed they were there for a robbery, but that Leonard Gonzalez Jr., who authorities have described as the organizer of the crime, and other yet-unnamed suspects were there to carry out a hit on the couple.

The source said that from “Gonzalez down” it was a robbery and that from “Gonzalez up” it was a hit. The source was not sure of the exact motive behind the hit.

The office of State Attorney Bill Eddins declined comment.  ::MonkeyDevil:: I bet he did ::MonkeyRoll::





Why exactly has the SA been so reluctant to say it was a hit? It is not like anyone is going to be tipped off. Even the most amatuer armchair detective could figure out that you don't take that many people into a home for a simple robbery. Lay out a little of your evidence, and I bet the SA and Sheriff would have more people running to them with what they know in droves. Make it sound like something mysterious and something you are trying to hide and coverup, and people are going to crawl back in their holes and not get involved. It makes me suspicious how the SA is handling this. The DEA being involved is a possible answer, but I am not sure that is the reason why.    ::MonkeyEek::

I don't get it either Fanny  ::MonkeyConfused:: It's been common knowledge (rumored) big time here since it happened. I think the sheriff wanted to spill it, but Bill Eddins seemed to try to keep everybody on the "it was a simple robbery", ummm my SA, I don't know about you but since do the facts( 5 ninja dressed men break in a home, stay less than four minutes, murder the adults )add up to robbery. Hell, I'd love to play this guy in poker ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 31, 2009, 07:07:08 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/BIllings_Murders_A_Contract_Hit

BIllings murders a
contract hit?

Updated: Friday, 31 Jul 2009, 5:32 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 31 Jul 2009, 5:12 PM CDT

    * Randy Merrow

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Florida State Attorney Bill Eddins is denying a report from CNN that the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings might have been a contract hit.

The report, citing a source with knowledge of the investigation, says that only suspect Leonard Gonzalez, Jr. knew of the plan to murder the Billings. The report goes on to say the other suspects in the case only knew about a robbery.

As of late Friday afternoon, Eddins says there is no evidence to support that version of events. Eddins maintains that the crime is a home invasion robbery.


yeah and I'm a millionaire supermodel ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on July 31, 2009, 07:43:48 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9842


CNN Reports Billings Murders Were Contract Hit; Sheriff Calls Press Conference For Tonight
July 31, 2009
Sheriff David Morgan has called a press conference for tonight on the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder. The press conference comes after CNN reported earlier this afternoon that the murders were a $100,000 contract killing.

“In response to media reports that the Billings Murders were contract killings, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan is stating that the possibility that these murders were a contract killing is still being investigated as well as other motives. The case remains open and persons of interest are still being interviewed,” a later afternoon press release from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department said.

More details will be posted as they become available.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 01:38:30 AM
::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9842


CNN Reports Billings Murders Were Contract Hit; Sheriff Calls Press Conference For Tonight
July 31, 2009
Sheriff David Morgan has called a press conference for tonight on the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder. The press conference comes after CNN reported earlier this afternoon that the murders were a $100,000 contract killing.

“In response to media reports that the Billings Murders were contract killings, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan is stating that the possibility that these murders were a contract killing is still being investigated as well as other motives. The case remains open and persons of interest are still being interviewed,” a later afternoon press release from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department said.

More details will be posted as they become available.



Uh Oh! Looks like there is trouble in paradise. SA Bill Eddins says this is not a hit, but a simple home invasion, and Sheriff David Morgan is saying that the possibility of this being a contract killing is still under investigation. Sounds like they are stepping on each other's toes. That is the same suspicion I had from the very beginning. Bill Eddins has been around P'cola for a very long time. Looks like there is a new sheriff in town.   ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 01, 2009, 09:23:49 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9852

Sheriff Responds To Reports That Billings Murders Were Contract Hit

August 1, 2009

Sheriff David Morgan reacted Friday night to a CNN report that the Billings murders were a contract hit.

gonzalezleonardpatrickjr1.jpgCNN, citing an unnamed source, reported that Leonard Gonzalez, Jr. was paid for the murders. CNN stated that “from ‘Gonzalez down’ it was a robbery and from ‘Gonzalez up’ it was a hit”.

“We are, in fact, looking at this,”  Sheriff David Morgan said Friday night. “We want to ensure the citizens of Escambia County that we are not in any way, shape or form of the imagination taking that possibility or probability off the table in the conduct of the Billings murder.”

“We will consider all possibilities and review any evidence that is brought forward regarding the issue of motive in this case,” he said.

“Investigations are evidence driven,” Morgan said, saying that all avenues were being explored in the Billings investigation. He said that a contract hit was a possibility, but that determination would come later in the investigation.

“We have interviewed many persons of interest, but you will never know their names,” Morgan said, adding that persons of interested are often ruled out quickly.

“I want the citizens of Escambia County to understand that this investigation will go where it goes, and anyone who aided or abetted in the commission of this crime will be brought to justice,” the sheriff said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 01, 2009, 09:31:55 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090801/NEWS01/908010315

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said Friday that investigators have not ruled out the possibility of a contract hit in the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

(snipped)


The announcement followed a CNN news report that said both robbery and a contract hit may have been motives in the killings. CNN attributed the information to an unnamed source "with knowledge of the investigation."

At a news conference Friday night, Morgan neither confirmed nor denied the accuracy of the report, but he said the ongoing investigation is "evidence driven" and investigators have not ruled out a contract hit as a possibility.

"It's always a possibility," Morgan said. "It had begun to appear ... that we had taken that possibility or probability off the table. I want to make clear to the people of Escambia County that this investigation will go where it goes, and anyone who aided or abetted in the commission of this crime we intend to bring to justice," Morgan said.


The sheriff also said additional charges may be brought against people who have already been arrested.


(Watch out Pam!!!)





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 01, 2009, 09:40:01 AM
Good morning monkeys.  Hope everyone is having a great Saturday.

(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/ellievis/good-morning-34.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on August 01, 2009, 09:50:08 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html
Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims

Saturday, August 01, 2009
Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.
The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he told reporters. Morgan had initially said that robbery was believed to be the main motive.

On July 21, The Daily Beast and FOXNews.com reported that Gonzalez, one of eight suspects charged in the case, told investigators he'd been paid between $20,000 and $50,000 to kill the Billings.
Gonzalez reportedly said his team was planning the hit for several months. He allegedly told authorities that much of the plotting happened at the home of the eighth suspect arrested in the case, real estate investor and Gonzalez family friend Pamela Wiggins.

Documents obtained July 20 by the Pensacola News Journal revealed that Gonzalez told authorities he knew Byrd Billings because Billings gave him money to open a martial arts studio.

It wasn't clear who may have paid for the hit against the couple.

Investigators have said they're seeking at least one more suspect believed to have been charged with disengaging the security camera system on the property.

Police believe that the person failed to show up or disable the device remotely on the night the robbery and killings were carried out. The camera captured some of the suspects on tape while they were on the grounds.
The Billings were the parents of 17 children, 13 of them adopted, and owned several local businesses — including a finance company and a used-car dealership. They lived in a mansion in Beulah, a rural area west of Pensacola near the Alabama state line


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 01, 2009, 11:37:22 AM
Good morning Trimm & TY.  Looks like I messed up my pic for good morning.  I'll try one more time.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/ingHMToothpasteHelpfulHugsTags-vi.gif)



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 01, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9842


CNN Reports Billings Murders Were Contract Hit; Sheriff Calls Press Conference For Tonight
July 31, 2009
Sheriff David Morgan has called a press conference for tonight on the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder. The press conference comes after CNN reported earlier this afternoon that the murders were a $100,000 contract killing.

“In response to media reports that the Billings Murders were contract killings, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan is stating that the possibility that these murders were a contract killing is still being investigated as well as other motives. The case remains open and persons of interest are still being interviewed,” a later afternoon press release from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department said.

More details will be posted as they become available.



Uh Oh! Looks like there is trouble in paradise. SA Bill Eddins says this is not a hit, but a simple home invasion, and Sheriff David Morgan is saying that the possibility of this being a contract killing is still under investigation. Sounds like they are stepping on each other's toes. That is the same suspicion I had from the very beginning. Bill Eddins has been around P'cola for a very long time. Looks like there is a new sheriff in town.   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: and thank God for that, looks like Eddins has met his match this time ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm posting the comments just for you Fanny as you and I have had the same suspicions since the beginning:

What did States Attorney Eddins think of the Sheriff’s comments…I thought he said the investigation was over?…I bet some GOBs are a bit upset that Eddins can’t keep the sheriff on a short leash…Go get them Sheriff


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 01, 2009, 11:53:27 AM
Here is the link to the WEAR site which has video snippets from the sheriff:

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3075.shtml


ESCAMBIA COUNTY - The Escambia Sheriff's Office confirmed tonight they are looking into the possibility that the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings were a contract hit.



The Beulah couple was shot to death on June 9th. When a group of men stormed their home in an elaborate home invasion.



We began hearing the speculation immediately after the murders. that this was not a simple robbery.



In the last few weeks, that speculation started coming from very credible sources. who weren't ready to go public.



Today C-N-N went with the story citing unnamed sources.



Tonight the Sheriff David Morgan called a news conference to address that report.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "I'm holding this brief press conference in response to a CNN report."



That report says Leonard Gonzalez Junior was paid to kill the Billings... And that none of the other suspects knew about the plan...



It's all attributed to an unnamed source close to the investigation who says the State Attorney's Office believes the motives were both robbery and a contract hit.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "For us to continue to ignore the possibility or probability that this could be a part of the Billings case again was to speculate and to only fuel more of the rumors."



Dan Thomas/Reporter: "Do you think it was probably a hit for hire?" Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "I think it is a distinct possibility and it's a distinct probability if we get the evidence to substantiate it."



But Morgan wants the public to know investigators are working on getting that evidence.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "Anyone who aided or abetted in the commission of this crime we intend to bring before the bar of justice."Escambia County Sheriff Holds Press Conference To Discuss Possibility Of Contract Killing In Billings Case


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 03:20:46 PM
Good morning Trimm & TY.  Looks like I messed up my pic for good morning.  I'll try one more time.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/ingHMToothpasteHelpfulHugsTags-vi.gif)



Cute picture Cece. I'm glad you tried it again. It gave me a much needed smile.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 03:22:51 PM
::MonkeyTongue::


http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9842


CNN Reports Billings Murders Were Contract Hit; Sheriff Calls Press Conference For Tonight
July 31, 2009
Sheriff David Morgan has called a press conference for tonight on the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder. The press conference comes after CNN reported earlier this afternoon that the murders were a $100,000 contract killing.

“In response to media reports that the Billings Murders were contract killings, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan is stating that the possibility that these murders were a contract killing is still being investigated as well as other motives. The case remains open and persons of interest are still being interviewed,” a later afternoon press release from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department said.

More details will be posted as they become available.



Uh Oh! Looks like there is trouble in paradise. SA Bill Eddins says this is not a hit, but a simple home invasion, and Sheriff David Morgan is saying that the possibility of this being a contract killing is still under investigation. Sounds like they are stepping on each other's toes. That is the same suspicion I had from the very beginning. Bill Eddins has been around P'cola for a very long time. Looks like there is a new sheriff in town.   ::MonkeyRoll::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: and thank God for that, looks like Eddins has met his match this time ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm posting the comments just for you Fanny as you and I have had the same suspicions since the beginning:

What did States Attorney Eddins think of the Sheriff’s comments…I thought he said the investigation was over?…I bet some GOBs are a bit upset that Eddins can’t keep the sheriff on a short leash…Go get them Sheriff


 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

All I can say is Sheriff Morgan needs to watch his back really good. He is not playing with amatuers here.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 03:24:10 PM
Here is the link to the WEAR site which has video snippets from the sheriff:

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3075.shtml


ESCAMBIA COUNTY - The Escambia Sheriff's Office confirmed tonight they are looking into the possibility that the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings were a contract hit.



The Beulah couple was shot to death on June 9th. When a group of men stormed their home in an elaborate home invasion.



We began hearing the speculation immediately after the murders. that this was not a simple robbery.



In the last few weeks, that speculation started coming from very credible sources. who weren't ready to go public.



Today C-N-N went with the story citing unnamed sources.



Tonight the Sheriff David Morgan called a news conference to address that report.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "I'm holding this brief press conference in response to a CNN report."



That report says Leonard Gonzalez Junior was paid to kill the Billings... And that none of the other suspects knew about the plan...



It's all attributed to an unnamed source close to the investigation who says the State Attorney's Office believes the motives were both robbery and a contract hit.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "For us to continue to ignore the possibility or probability that this could be a part of the Billings case again was to speculate and to only fuel more of the rumors."



Dan Thomas/Reporter: "Do you think it was probably a hit for hire?" Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "I think it is a distinct possibility and it's a distinct probability if we get the evidence to substantiate it."



But Morgan wants the public to know investigators are working on getting that evidence.



Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "Anyone who aided or abetted in the commission of this crime we intend to bring before the bar of justice."Escambia County Sheriff Holds Press Conference To Discuss Possibility Of Contract Killing In Billings Case

I wonder when the next shot across the bow will come from Eddins?  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 03:55:56 PM
Just some interesting reading about the previous sheriff of Escambia County, and the man that Sheriff Dave Morgan beat in the election.  It shows how the previous admistration operated. If you read about Morgan, you will see he is attempting to clean things up.

http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Ron_McNesby

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=2600

http://www.pnj.com/article/99999999/NEWS07/810180303/1020


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 01, 2009, 04:32:03 PM
Just some interesting reading about the previous sheriff of Escambia County, and the man that Sheriff Dave Morgan beat in the election.  It shows how the previous admistration operated. If you read about Morgan, you will see he is attempting to clean things up.

http://www.pensapedia.com/wiki/Ron_McNesby

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=2600

http://www.pnj.com/article/99999999/NEWS07/810180303/1020

Yes he certainly appears to be trying. I haven't lived hear long enough to be that well informed about the local politics, but was well aware of McNasty's reputation.


Go sheriff Morgan ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 01, 2009, 04:36:55 PM
My reason for posting the previous links is to show that I believe that Sheriff Morgan is not running his office as business as usual. He has opened up some satelite offices that were closed by the previous administration and has changed the jail medical services. I saw where even the public defenders office did some house cleaning.

I don't think Morgan is going to kow-tow to anyone getting into his investigation, and will not submit to be under anyone's boot heel. He better watch his "P's" and "Q's" though, because they will be watching for the slightest slipup to discredit him. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 12:01:25 AM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews









Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 12:13:11 AM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews









I have hesitated to post anything about the family, but I do not think this son would be the one who would benefit the MOST by both the Billings being murdered. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 12:17:14 AM
Who other than the Billings children would benefit upon the death of their parents.

Janet


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 12:19:41 AM
In most murders ... missing persons ... the family is initially the primary focus in the investigation.

Janet


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 12:20:02 AM
Who other than the Billings children would benefit upon the death of their parents.

Janet


Who is in total control of the Billings businesses and seemingly in the estate?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 12:35:42 AM
In most murders ... missing persons ... the family is initially the primary focus in the investigation.

Janet

It is just as you said. The family is initially the primary focus in the investigation, in most murders and missing persons. I see that the LE has not stated that anyone in the family have been cleared. It peaks my interest.....


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 02, 2009, 02:15:25 AM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews









Janet~

No one here believes the son would benefit the most, you have to look into his businesses and partners in business to understand the depth of this investigation and to my knowledge I don't think he would have been a large part of any of the estate as that seems to be for the benefit of the adopted children......rumors here have been a hit since the very beginning and ties to business partners and so far they have been hard to ignore when you look into all the court documents.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 12:43:34 PM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews



Janet~

No one here believes the son would benefit the most, you have to look into his businesses and partners in business to understand the depth of this investigation and to my knowledge I don't think he would have been a large part of any of the estate as that seems to be for the benefit of the adopted children......rumors here have been a hit since the very beginning and ties to business partners and so far they have been hard to ignore when you look into all the court documents.

I am not no one.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning Islandmonkey

I have also been suspicious since the getgo that the killing of the Billings was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.  Until yesterday LE insisted it was not a hit … robbery was the motive.

However … it was the above post regarding the dynamics encompassing the relationship the Billings had with their son that made me suspicious in regards to who was behind the hit.  I have not wavered from that suspicion but ... I concede I could be wrong..

Until the truth is revealed … speculation is where it is at.

Off to church!

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on August 02, 2009, 01:22:47 PM
Island, I agree.  There is more to this and it does, as you have suggested, requires more than superficial thinking.  I applaud the Sheriff.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 02:01:08 PM


I am not no one.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning Islandmonkey

I have also been suspicious since the getgo that the killing of the Billings was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.  Until yesterday LE insisted it was not a hit … robbery was the motive.

However … it was the above post regarding the dynamics encompassing the relationship the Billings had with their son that made me suspicious in regards to who was behind the hit.  I have not wavered from that suspicion but ... I concede I could be wrong..

Until the truth is revealed … speculation is where it is at.

Off to church!

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


Janet, I don't think that is what Island meant. Of course, you are someone and have a right to your opinion.   ::MonkeyAngel::


It is true that Byrd and his son were most probably estranged. I believe he lives in southern Florida, and has nothing to do with his father's businesses as far as I can see. I do not know what the Billing's will says, but just guessing, I would think by past history between the two of them, there would be little or nothing for him in the estate. Another thing we don't know.

However, there is another family member that is very involved in the businesses, and has been for years. I have not heard the sheriff or anyone make a statement that ANY family member has been cleared of any involvement in the murder of both the Billings. That peaks my interest. It doesn't seem normal. From what the sheriff said the other night in his presser, the investigation is ongoing and nothing has been ruled out as far as it being a hit, and most probably has something to do with Mr Billings business dealings. The family member that I am speaking of would be privy to a lot of his interests.

I hope you will continue to post here. This is a very strange and convoluted case. I alway enjoy you thoughtful input on all the threads where you post.   


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 03:21:39 PM
Fanny Mae ... thank you.

I am sure Islandmonkey was voicing the consensus of the forum and ... that is OK.  I am used to being alone in the crowd on the forums in many of my speculations.  However ... they are my speculations and ... I do not arrive at them from a "superficial" perspective.

In regards to the Billings' son.  Something is very disfunctional in the parent/child  relationship.  In my world parents do not sue their own children who default on child support when their grandchildren are involved.  Disappointment and hearbreak in the lack of responsibility ... in the lack of character ... I can grasp but ... sueing?  It is not as through the Billings could not afford to care for their granddaughter for two years.  I suspect that hard feelings ran deep in that relationship.

The Billings's son did not have to benefit "the most" from their death ... he only had to benefit.

Nobody knows the truth at this point in time.  We are all speculating but ... we are one in our desire that justice prevails for the Billings.

Janet






Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 04:56:35 PM
Fanny Mae ... thank you.

I am sure Islandmonkey was voicing the consensus of the forum and ... that is OK.  I am used to being alone in the crowd on the forums in many of my speculations.  However ... they are my speculations and ... I do not arrive at them from a "superficial" perspective.

In regards to the Billings' son.  Something is very disfunctional in the parent/child  relationship.  In my world parents do not sue their own children who default on child support when their grandchildren are involved.  Disappointment and hearbreak in the lack of responsibility ... in the lack of character ... I can grasp but ... sueing?  It is not as through the Billings could not afford to care for their granddaughter for two years.  I suspect that hard feelings ran deep in that relationship.

The Billings's son did not have to benefit "the most" from their death ... he only had to benefit.

Nobody knows the truth at this point in time.  We are all speculating but ... we are one in our desire that justice prevails for the Billings.

Janet






No, nobody does know the truth. And the facts have been very hard to ferret out. Some people have their pasts well hidden. There are many things I could speculate here with some things I have found, but there is no need to bring anyone else's name up here until it can be based in fact and links.

I am just glad Sheriff Morgan is not being closed minded about what has happened, and I hope he is allowed to continue on in his investigation. The "good old boy network" is alive and well along the coast. I guess it is, as well, in many other places.

O/T I think you and I are on the same page in Lindsay's disappearance.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 02, 2009, 06:09:37 PM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews



Janet~

No one here believes the son would benefit the most, you have to look into his businesses and partners in business to understand the depth of this investigation and to my knowledge I don't think he would have been a large part of any of the estate as that seems to be for the benefit of the adopted children......rumors here have been a hit since the very beginning and ties to business partners and so far they have been hard to ignore when you look into all the court documents.

I am not no one.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning Islandmonkey

I have also been suspicious since the getgo that the killing of the Billings was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.  Until yesterday LE insisted it was not a hit … robbery was the motive.

However … it was the above post regarding the dynamics encompassing the relationship the Billings had with their son that made me suspicious in regards to who was behind the hit.  I have not wavered from that suspicion but ... I concede I could be wrong..

Until the truth is revealed … speculation is where it is at.

Off to church!

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


 ::MonkeyShocked:: OJ JANET~That is not what I meant at all ::MonkeyWaa:: I live in Pensacola Beach and work in Pensacola, I meant to say no one here in Pensacola.......my bad, I didn't mean to make you feel that way.... ::MonkeyAngel::

LE has stated that they are looking at all possibilities including a hit, it's just that SA Eddins wants everyone to think it was a simple home invasion, which no one here has ever believed.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 02, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
Island, I agree.  There is more to this and it does, as you have suggested, requires more than superficial thinking.  I applaud the Sheriff.

Thanks Sister~I applaud our sheriff for not letting Eddins muzzle him ::MonkeyDevil2::


JANET~I hope you come back and read what I posted as I chose my words bad, I in NO way meant no one in the forum, I meant NO ONE in Pensacola.








Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 07:29:51 PM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews



Janet~

No one here believes the son would benefit the most, you have to look into his businesses and partners in business to understand the depth of this investigation and to my knowledge I don't think he would have been a large part of any of the estate as that seems to be for the benefit of the adopted children......rumors here have been a hit since the very beginning and ties to business partners and so far they have been hard to ignore when you look into all the court documents.

I am not no one.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning Islandmonkey

I have also been suspicious since the getgo that the killing of the Billings was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.  Until yesterday LE insisted it was not a hit … robbery was the motive.

However … it was the above post regarding the dynamics encompassing the relationship the Billings had with their son that made me suspicious in regards to who was behind the hit.  I have not wavered from that suspicion but ... I concede I could be wrong..

Until the truth is revealed … speculation is where it is at.

Off to church!

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


 ::MonkeyShocked:: OJ JANET~That is not what I meant at all ::MonkeyWaa:: I live in Pensacola Beach and work in Pensacola, I meant to say no one here in Pensacola.......my bad, I didn't mean to make you feel that way.... ::MonkeyAngel::

LE has stated that they are looking at all possibilities including a hit, it's just that SA Eddins wants everyone to think it was a simple home invasion, which no one here has ever believed.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 02, 2009, 08:42:30 PM
When you consider the rocky relationship between the Billings and their son and ... when you consider that benefits that would be reaped by the son upon their death ... is it possible ...

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++++
 

PENSACOLA, Fla., July 15, 2009
Slain Couple May Have Had Money Troubles
Billings Sued Own Son for Child Support for Granddaughter, Documents Show; DEA Probing Murder as Cops Arrest Eighth Suspect


Court documents show the Billings, who were known for adopting 13 children with special needs, sued their own adult son for child support in 2008 after they took in his daughter - their granddaughter - in 2006, reports CBS News correspondent Terrell Brown.

They also had asked for a $50,000 life insurance policy for the then-18-year-old girl, with themselves as the beneficiaries.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/16/national/main5163759.shtml


Police Acknowledge 'Possibility' That Florida Couple Could Be Murder-for-Hire Victims
Saturday, August 01, 2009


Authorities said Friday night they have not ruled out the possibility that the murders of a wealthy Florida couple could have been contract hits.

The Escambia County Sheriff's Office previously had refused to address whether the home-invasion shootings of Byrd and Melanie Billings may have been murders-for-hire. The couple, known for adopting special needs children, were found dead July 9.

Two unidentified sources told a cable news network that there were double motives for the crime: robbery and contract killings. The sources reportedly said suspected crime ringleader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. orchestrated the hit, but that most of the team of accomplices working for him believed they were only there to commit robbery.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan would neither confirm nor deny at a Friday night news conference whether the report was accurate.

"It's always a possibility," he said. Morgan had initially said robbery was believed to be the main motive..

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,536010,00.html?test=latestnews



Janet~

No one here believes the son would benefit the most, you have to look into his businesses and partners in business to understand the depth of this investigation and to my knowledge I don't think he would have been a large part of any of the estate as that seems to be for the benefit of the adopted children......rumors here have been a hit since the very beginning and ties to business partners and so far they have been hard to ignore when you look into all the court documents.

I am not no one.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Good Morning Islandmonkey

I have also been suspicious since the getgo that the killing of the Billings was a hired hit made to look like a robbery.  Until yesterday LE insisted it was not a hit … robbery was the motive.

However … it was the above post regarding the dynamics encompassing the relationship the Billings had with their son that made me suspicious in regards to who was behind the hit.  I have not wavered from that suspicion but ... I concede I could be wrong..

Until the truth is revealed … speculation is where it is at.

Off to church!

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet
9:40 AM PT


 ::MonkeyShocked:: OH JANET~That is not what I meant at all ::MonkeyWaa:: I live in Pensacola Beach and work in Pensacola, I meant to say no one here in Pensacola.......my bad, I didn't mean to make you feel that way.... ::MonkeyAngel::

LE has stated that they are looking at all possibilities including a hit, it's just that SA Eddins wants everyone to think it was a simple home invasion, which no one here has ever believed.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm so glad you came back and caught my post, I sure didn't want you to think I spoke for any one here....... ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 10:59:20 PM
Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++++

'Perfectly Executed Murders' -- But Suspects Failed to Turn Off Surveillance Camera
Wednesday, July 15, 2009


Seven men who allegedly robbed a wealthy Florida couple with 17 children, then shot and killed them, were caught committing the crime on camera because the person designated to disable the security system failed to do so, police said Wednesday.

The news came as authorities revealed that a prominent local realtor police are calling a person of interest was located in Alabama.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said it is significant that the surveillance camera was not disarmed at the time of the robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings, which he has described as "well planned" and "well executed."

Authorities believe it was someone's job to disable the equipment before the break-in was carried out, but that person apparently didn't show up.

"The execution of the operation was flawless except for the surveillance system," Morgan told reporters. "Why was the system left on in an otherwise perfectly executed murder?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532825,00.html




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 02, 2009, 11:38:07 PM
Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++++

'Perfectly Executed Murders' -- But Suspects Failed to Turn Off Surveillance Camera
Wednesday, July 15, 2009


Seven men who allegedly robbed a wealthy Florida couple with 17 children, then shot and killed them, were caught committing the crime on camera because the person designated to disable the security system failed to do so, police said Wednesday.

The news came as authorities revealed that a prominent local realtor police are calling a person of interest was located in Alabama.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said it is significant that the surveillance camera was not disarmed at the time of the robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings, which he has described as "well planned" and "well executed."

Authorities believe it was someone's job to disable the equipment before the break-in was carried out, but that person apparently didn't show up.

"The execution of the operation was flawless except for the surveillance system," Morgan told reporters. "Why was the system left on in an otherwise perfectly executed murder?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532825,00.html




Exactly. Who would have the codes and the remote to do this? And why did they fail to do it? Who would have a motive to set this group up and why? It is obvious they were deliberately left to hang in the wind. Did they even know who they were really working for? Patrick G. Jr may have thought he knew, but did he really? Pamela Wiggins needs to be put in a squeze, big time. Who will be the one to do it?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 02, 2009, 11:54:06 PM
Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++++

'Perfectly Executed Murders' -- But Suspects Failed to Turn Off Surveillance Camera
Wednesday, July 15, 2009


Seven men who allegedly robbed a wealthy Florida couple with 17 children, then shot and killed them, were caught committing the crime on camera because the person designated to disable the security system failed to do so, police said Wednesday.

The news came as authorities revealed that a prominent local realtor police are calling a person of interest was located in Alabama.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said it is significant that the surveillance camera was not disarmed at the time of the robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings, which he has described as "well planned" and "well executed."

Authorities believe it was someone's job to disable the equipment before the break-in was carried out, but that person apparently didn't show up.

"The execution of the operation was flawless except for the surveillance system," Morgan told reporters. "Why was the system left on in an otherwise perfectly executed murder?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532825,00.html




Exactly. Who would have the codes and the remote to do this? And why did they fail to do it? Who would have a motive to set this group up and why? It is obvious they were deliberately left to hang in the wind. Did they even know who they were really working for? Patrick G. Jr may have thought he knew, but did he really? Pamela Wiggins needs to be put in a squeze, big time. Who will be the one to do it?

Fanny Mae

I do believe that you and I are long lost sisters who were separated at birth.

  ::MonkeyTongue::

Janet


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 03, 2009, 02:22:19 PM
Something is hinky.

Janet

+++++++

'Perfectly Executed Murders' -- But Suspects Failed to Turn Off Surveillance Camera
Wednesday, July 15, 2009


Seven men who allegedly robbed a wealthy Florida couple with 17 children, then shot and killed them, were caught committing the crime on camera because the person designated to disable the security system failed to do so, police said Wednesday.

The news came as authorities revealed that a prominent local realtor police are calling a person of interest was located in Alabama.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said it is significant that the surveillance camera was not disarmed at the time of the robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings, which he has described as "well planned" and "well executed."

Authorities believe it was someone's job to disable the equipment before the break-in was carried out, but that person apparently didn't show up.

"The execution of the operation was flawless except for the surveillance system," Morgan told reporters. "Why was the system left on in an otherwise perfectly executed murder?"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,532825,00.html




Exactly. Who would have the codes and the remote to do this? And why did they fail to do it? Who would have a motive to set this group up and why? It is obvious they were deliberately left to hang in the wind. Did they even know who they were really working for? Patrick G. Jr may have thought he knew, but did he really? Pamela Wiggins needs to be put in a squeze, big time. Who will be the one to do it?

That's what I believe happened, in a sense "killed 2 birds with one stone".......I think there had to be a go between and figuring out who that is will be crucial........I'LL SQUEEZE THAT BEYOTCH ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 04, 2009, 08:56:10 AM
Lots of new information over at Rick's blog on Tabitha Gongalez( Lenoard Patrick's wife)
and her former naval officer husband.  The web grows bigger and bigger.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 04, 2009, 12:55:29 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Teen_In_Murder_Case_To_Be_Transferred

Teen in murder case to
be transferred
Rakeem Florence to be transferred to
adult jail

Updated: Monday, 03 Aug 2009, 5:00 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 03 Aug 2009, 3:31 PM CDT

    * Hubert Tate
    * Liz Nelson

PENSACOLA, Fla. - According to the Florida State Attorneys Office, the 16-year-old in the Billings case will be transferred to adult jail.

Rakeem Florence was being held in the youth detention center, but documents to switch him to an adult facility were filed Monday. He will appear in court Tuesday afternoon at 1:30 at the Escambia County Courthouse. Judge John Parnham will hear the case.

Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Wayne Coldiron, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, Jr., and Donnie Stallworth have all been arrested in connection to the murders, and charged with open counts of murder.

Pamela Long Wiggins has been arrested and charged as being an accessory after the fact. Authorities found the safe that was stolen from the Billings' house buried in her back yard.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 04, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
Lots of new information over at Rick's blog on Tabitha Gongalez( Lenoard Patrick's wife)
and her former naval officer husband.  The web grows bigger and bigger.

Thanks Magnolia.

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7080

The ex-husband of Tabatha Gonzalez, wife of the Patrick Gonzalez, Jr, was convicted of trafficking cocaine in September 2004. Judge Linda Nobles sentenced him, Brandon Anthony Fausti, to two years of community control supervision and four years of probation.

I reviewed Fausti’s case file and found an interesting narrative from him on how his life spiraled out of control and led to his arrest in December 2002. The narrative was part of a motion to mitigate his sentence and terminate the remainder of his probation of supervision, dated August 21, 2006. The motion was denied by Judge Nobles.

Fausti, a Naval Academy graduate and U. S. Navy pilot, blames his fall from grace on a “series of devastating events” – which include fire, his wife leaving him and her abandoning their four children.

12/28/01 House (5699 Pine Oak Avenue, Milton) catches fire and is totaled.

1/7/02 Wife (Tabatha) leaves him and takes his four kids.

Fausti is unable to see his children for the next six months as divorce proceedings begin. He becomes suicidal and is taken off flight duty at HT-8, NAS Whiting Field, Milton. He checks himself into a mental institution and later undergoes psychiatric treatment for major depression at NAS Pensacola, AVMED Department.

That Spring, Fausti claims that he was offered a career opportunity with Snowden-Pencer to sell surgical equipment that would pay him $500K annually, but the Navy refuses to release him from his service commitment.

Later that Summer, Tabatha Fausti violates a court order protecting the children, according to Brandon Fausti. The children are placed in foster care. Tabatha leaves the country for several months fleeing prosecution and missing several court dates.

9/30/02 Fausti is honorably discharged after 16-year career.

November 2002 The children are placed in the care of Fausti’s parents.

12/5/02 Fausti believes that he will win custody of his kids at court hearing, only to have Tabatha attend the hearing and win custody.

Fausti writes that he is “jolted and becomes suicidal again.” Within days, he buys “copious amounts of cocaine, is living out of his car, and has become a danger to himself.”

He claims to have survived an overdose and was arrested while selling all of his remaining cocaine “in an effort to distance himself from his abuse and seek treatment” at a rehab center in Atlanta.

Tabatha Fausti married Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. on July 2003 – six months after the arrest.

Fausti is now living in Georgia. Tabatha still has their four children.

———————-
The interesting part is the four or five months Tabatha spent out of the country. We’ve heard several rumors of Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. working in Mexico, Honduras and Guatemala. Was Tabatha Fausti traveling with Gonzalez?

One of my researchers did find an AP article, dated May 1999, that tells of a Navy sailor that was demoted and given a reprimand letter for a punch that killed a hotel clerk in Ecuador. The report also states that a Navy helicopter pilot, Lt. Brandon Fausti, was cleared of manslaughter but convicted of battery in the case for manhandling the clerk during the argument but not causing his death.

Could this be the same Fausti? Read more.

Definitely seems to be several Central American/South American connections with some of the people in the Billings case.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 04, 2009, 04:49:38 PM
Thanks to CECE and MAGNOLIA for the links and stories.

Humm....South American connection.....Honduran Woods.....Imported cars and cars stolen and taken over the Mexican Border. DEA.

A 16 yr naval career down the tubes..Tabitha and Pat Jr possibly gone to South America together...And another case of a possibly abusive parent getting all FOUR of her kids back. Sex, lies and video tapes all rolled up in the murder of two people in their own home, massecred in front of their helpless children.

Where's Pamela?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 04, 2009, 06:13:44 PM
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Fanny - local news is showing only storm info right now, but on the news ticker at the bottom I just saw a blurb about Henry Cab Tice saying he has left town ::MonkeyShocked::

Off to see what I can find out~BRB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 04, 2009, 06:18:50 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

WEAR TV just reported Tice as POI, and they will detail a "falling out" at the 6pm news, and ticker definitely says HE HAS LEFT TOWN...........wonder if he's on the CLassy Lady with the HO ::MonkeyRoll::

I looked everywhere and don't see this reported anywhere else, so I'll report more later......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 04, 2009, 06:33:33 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

WEAR TV just reported Tice as POI, and they will detail a "falling out" at the 6pm news, and ticker definitely says HE HAS LEFT TOWN...........wonder if he's on the CLassy Lady with the HO ::MonkeyRoll::

I looked everywhere and don't see this reported anywhere else, so I'll report more later......

Imagine that.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 04, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

WEAR TV just reported Tice as POI, and they will detail a "falling out" at the 6pm news, and ticker definitely says HE HAS LEFT TOWN...........wonder if he's on the CLassy Lady with the HO ::MonkeyRoll::

I looked everywhere and don't see this reported anywhere else, so I'll report more later......

Imagine that.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

I know ::MonkeyDevil2::

I guess they know where Pam is because he was the only one mentioned, but even Rick's Blog isn't breaking the news yet........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 04, 2009, 06:50:31 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

WEAR TV just reported Tice as POI, and they will detail a "falling out" at the 6pm news, and ticker definitely says HE HAS LEFT TOWN...........wonder if he's on the CLassy Lady with the HO ::MonkeyRoll::

I looked everywhere and don't see this reported anywhere else, so I'll report more later......

Imagine that.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

I know ::MonkeyDevil2::

I guess they know where Pam is because he was the only one mentioned, but even Rick's Blog isn't breaking the news yet........

If the LE didn't have a tail on both of them, I would be surprised. Especially if the DEA is involved.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 04, 2009, 06:53:03 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

WEAR TV just reported Tice as POI, and they will detail a "falling out" at the 6pm news, and ticker definitely says HE HAS LEFT TOWN...........wonder if he's on the CLassy Lady with the HO ::MonkeyRoll::

I looked everywhere and don't see this reported anywhere else, so I'll report more later......

Imagine that.  ::MonkeyDevil2::

I know ::MonkeyDevil2::

I guess they know where Pam is because he was the only one mentioned, but even Rick's Blog isn't breaking the news yet........

If the LE didn't have a tail on both of them, I would be surprised. Especially if the DEA is involved.


I agree, I bet they follow them so close they know how many sheets of toilet paper they use a day ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on August 04, 2009, 07:07:50 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090804/NEWS01/90804015
Teen in Billings case charged as adult
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • August 4, 2009
A teenager charged with murder in the July 9 deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings made his first appearance in adult court Tuesday.
Advertisement

Rakeem Chaney Florence, 16, of Fort Walton Beach appeared before Escambia County Circuit Judge John T. Parnham, shackled and wearing a green jail jumpsuit. He is the last of the seven suspects accused of murder to make an initial appearance.

The case will now head to a grand jury which will decide individual charges for each of the defendants. The grand jury is expected to convene within the next week to 10 days, Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said Tuesday.

Until Monday, Florence was being held in the Juvenile Detention Center without bond in connection with the double homicide.

Escambia County Juvenile Judge Ross Goodman on Monday determined Florence could be charged as an adult. He was transferred to the Escambia County Jail where he will remain through the duration of the criminal proceeding.

During Tuesday’s five-minute hearing, Florence spoke only to tell the judge that he was no longer represented by a private attorney. Parnham appointed the Office of Regional Conflict Counsel to represent him.

Florence’s family did not attend Tuesday’s hearing held at the M.C. Blanchard Building in Pensacola. Attempts to reach his father late Tuesday were unsuccessful.

Florence is due back in court Aug. 28 for arraignment before Circuit Judge Paul Rasmussen.

The teen is connected to three other suspects in the slaying who hail from Okaloosa County — Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, Frederick Lee Thornton Jr., 19, and Donnie Ray Stallworth, 28.

The four knew each other through Sumner’s Fifth Dimension auto detailing shop in Fort Walton Beach, according to investigators and court documents.

The Billingses were found shot to death July 9 in the bedroom of their Beulah home.

The couple were known throughout the Pensacola Bay Area for adopting and caring for special-needs children. Several children were at home during the deadly home invasion.

A small safe containing children’s prescription medication, paperwork and heirloom jewelry was taken from the home. To date, investigators have only confirmed robbery as the primary motive in the double homicide.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on August 04, 2009, 07:10:09 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Teen_Suspect_Wont_Face_Death_Penalty
Teen suspect won't face
death penalty


Updated: Tuesday, 04 Aug 2009, 2:07 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 04 Aug 2009, 2:00 PM CDT

    * Liz Nelson
(http://media2.fox10tv.com//photo/2009/08/04/rakeem-florence_20090804140611_320_240.JPG)
Rakeem Florence

PENSACOLA, Fla. - FOX10 News has learned the 16-year-old charged with murder in the Billings case will not face the death penalty.

Rakeem Florence made his first court appearance Tuesday in Pensacola. A judge denied him bond and set his next court date for August 28. Florence will be provided a court-appointed attorney.

Florence is one of seven suspects in this case facing murder and home invasion/robbery charges in connection with the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The couple, who was known for adopting special needs children, was shot to death in their Escambia County home last month.

Prosecutors say Florence is the only murder suspect in this case who will not be eligible for the death penalty, if convicted.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 04, 2009, 07:16:04 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Teen_Suspect_Wont_Face_Death_Penalty
Teen suspect won't face
death penalty


Updated: Tuesday, 04 Aug 2009, 2:07 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 04 Aug 2009, 2:00 PM CDT

    * Liz Nelson
(http://media2.fox10tv.com//photo/2009/08/04/rakeem-florence_20090804140611_320_240.JPG)
Rakeem Florence

PENSACOLA, Fla. - FOX10 News has learned the 16-year-old charged with murder in the Billings case will not face the death penalty.

Rakeem Florence made his first court appearance Tuesday in Pensacola. A judge denied him bond and set his next court date for August 28. Florence will be provided a court-appointed attorney.

Florence is one of seven suspects in this case facing murder and home invasion/robbery charges in connection with the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The couple, who was known for adopting special needs children, was shot to death in their Escambia County home last month.

Prosecutors say Florence is the only murder suspect in this case who will not be eligible for the death penalty, if convicted.


He sure effed his life up at an early age.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: RaggedyAnn on August 04, 2009, 07:30:43 PM
IM,

Sorry this is O/T but I have been gone from SM for a while and when I returned yesterday I saw the message you wrote in musings to "Dolce".  I didn't have a clue about the "Dolce" disaster until then.  I want you and your daughter/family to know that my heart hurts for you regarding little Eli.  I had a similar experience (a daughter) and I can honestly say it is the hardest thing in life to go through.

God Bless you and your family.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 04, 2009, 07:38:11 PM
IM,

Sorry this is O/T but I have been gone from SM for a while and when I returned yesterday I saw the message you wrote in musings to "Dolce".  I didn't have a clue about the "Dolce" disaster until then.  I want you and your daughter/family to know that my heart hurts for you regarding little Eli.  I had a similar experience (a daughter) and I can honestly say it is the hardest thing in life to go through.

God Bless you and your family.

Thank you RA ::MonkeyAngel::

I think Dolce was a truly sick person and don't dwell on her, just wanted to let her know how I felt. I'm so sorry you had to go thru a similar experience with your daughter and I will pray for you too as I know the pain never really disappears....There are so many here on SM who have had similar experience and you'll find an outpouring of love and compassion here.

God Bless You also ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 05, 2009, 03:10:06 PM
Great job IM.  Thank you & all for the updates!   ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/08/05/Grand-jury-to-take-up-Florida-homicides/UPI-31611249490014/

PENSACOLA, Fla., Aug. 5 (UPI) -- Authorities say a grand jury is the next step in the case against seven people charged in the slaying of a Florida couple that adopted special needs children.

The last of the suspects, Rakeem Chaney Florence, 16, made his first court appearance as an adult before Circuit Judge John T. Parnham, who appointed the Office of Regional Conflict Counsel to represent him, The Pensacola (Fla.) News Journal reported Wednesday.

Florence will return to circuit court on Aug. 28 for arraignment.

Authorities say it will be up to the grand jury to decide individual charges against each of the defendants.

The teen and six others are accused in the slaying and robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings who were found shot to death in the bedroom of their home in Beulah.

The nine special needs children the couple had adopted were in the house at the time of the slayings.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 05, 2009, 03:23:16 PM
Great job IM.  Thank you & all for the updates!   ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/08/05/Grand-jury-to-take-up-Florida-homicides/UPI-31611249490014/

PENSACOLA, Fla., Aug. 5 (UPI) -- Authorities say a grand jury is the next step in the case against seven people charged in the slaying of a Florida couple that adopted special needs children.

The last of the suspects, Rakeem Chaney Florence, 16, made his first court appearance as an adult before Circuit Judge John T. Parnham, who appointed the Office of Regional Conflict Counsel to represent him, The Pensacola (Fla.) News Journal reported Wednesday.

Florence will return to circuit court on Aug. 28 for arraignment.

Authorities say it will be up to the grand jury to decide individual charges against each of the defendants.

The teen and six others are accused in the slaying and robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings who were found shot to death in the bedroom of their home in Beulah.

The nine special needs children the couple had adopted were in the house at the time of the slayings.

Happy to do it Cece ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 05, 2009, 06:19:16 PM
Good job, ISLAND and thank you too, CECE.

Very disappointing if they really did let Cab Tice slip between their fingers. I somehow doubt it, though.

 ISLAND, Do you know the other car dealership that Tice was supposed to be manager? Had you heard that he was supposed to hold a national news conference on July 27? That was news to me. Do we have a recent picture of him?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 05, 2009, 06:20:40 PM
I also forgot to ask, what is the warrant for that is out for him?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 05, 2009, 06:30:21 PM
Nevermind about the car dealership. I watched the video. Fine looking establishment.    ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on August 05, 2009, 11:00:31 PM
Thanks for all the news!   ::MonkeyCool::

Here is a really good article that puts a few things in to perspective .....

http://www.newsweek.com/id/210663

Murder in the Panhandle


The tragic slaying of Byrd and Melanie Billings may be a more complicated case than it seems.

*Snip*
Here's where things get exceedingly murky. One person police interviewed the night of the murders was a man named Henry Tice, who also works in the used-car trade. He and Billings have had joint interests in a number of ventures. For instance, state records filed in 2007 show that Billings's financing company provided funding to Hispanic-American Auto Sales, a Tice-run business. Tice is also "good friends" with Gonzalez, who has worked for him in the past, according to a former Tice associate who requested anonymity out of fear. Both men were martial-arts fans and used to work out together, the associate says


Also, acandyrose has put up some more updates on her Billings timeline ... I don't think she ever sleeps! ::MonkeyHaHa::





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 06, 2009, 12:02:41 AM
Good job, ISLAND and thank you too, CECE.

Very disappointing if they really did let Cab Tice slip between their fingers. I somehow doubt it, though.

 ISLAND, Do you know the other car dealership that Tice was supposed to be manager? Had you heard that he was supposed to hold a national news conference on July 27? That was news to me. Do we have a recent picture of him?


Hi Fanny~I NEVER heard anything about Tice's "press conference", and at this point there is no warrant, he's just wanted for questioning ::MonkeyDevil2:: Kinda like Pam Wiggins was JUST wanted for questioning. It will be intersting to see if he is able to find his was back to town IYKWIM.

I don't have a current photo and I have searched ::MonkeyDevil::


RIZZY~

Thanks for the update, and I agree CandyRose must require about 2 hours of sleep a night .......


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 06, 2009, 12:11:09 AM
More from Rizzy's NewsWeek link (which is a great post!!!)

Tice's relationship with Billings, however, became poisonous, according to three people who knew them both and requested anonymity for similar reasons. Two of them explained that Billings had invested in a "floor-planning" deal with Tice, which involves fronting money for bulk vehicle purchases, usually in exchange for the titles and gradual repayment, plus interest. But Tice, they say, pocketed the cash and made off with the cars, fleecing Billings to the tune of at least $100,000. As a result, according to the two acquaintances, Billings went to the Escambia County sheriff's office, which began investigating (the detective believed to be handling the case did not return calls for comment).

Another individual made similar allegations against Tice to police in Foley, Ala., home to another of his businesses. There, Det. Larry Dearing confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Tice is under investigation for allegedly smuggling 23 vehicles worth $61,000 to buyers in Mexico (though he has not been charged). The two acquaintances say Escambia County sheriff's detectives recently informed Billings that they were making progress in their investigation. Perhaps Tice was "worried about [Billings] testifying" against him, speculates one. What's certain, says the other, is that Tice "hates [Byrd] Billings with a passion."

Authorities haven't publicly addressed the possibility of a Tice connection. But the individual familiar with the investigation says that "all business associates of Billings's are persons of interest." Some of these associates have fled the area, the individual says, including one who's believed to have left the country. In the aftermath of the killings, the sheriff's office has apparently redoubled its efforts to investigate Billings's allegations against Tice. According to a source with direct knowledge of the matter, the detective in charge of the inquiry into their business dealings recently asked Ashley Billings—Melanie's biological daughter, 26—to cooperate in the case, which she agreed to do, hoping to buttress her father's claims. (Beasley, the Billings's family lawyer, did not confirm that.) So far, authorities have not arrested Tice. One of the acquaintances says that someone in the sheriff's office told him that local law enforcement wasn't moving against Tice because he was cooperating with a federal agency in one of its investigations (the sheriff's office declined to comment).

Amid all the speculation, a NEWSWEEK reporter met with Tice in his office on a used-car lot in Pace, Fla., last month. In a brief interview, Tice declined to address the allegations that he smuggled cars and stole from Billings, but claimed that the two were friends and that he had nothing to do with the murders. He concluded by citing officials' statements early on that, in Tice's paraphrasing, "This was nothing but a robbery." It may well have seemed as simple as that in the beginning. But as investigators soon discovered, this has become, in Sheriff Morgan's memorable description, one "humdinger" of a case.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 06, 2009, 02:45:20 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/oldest-suspect-in-billings-murder-pleads-not-guilty/240131/Aug-06-2009_12-19-pm/

The oldest suspect charged in the Billings murder case says he didn't do it.

56-year-old Leonard Gonzales Senior pleaded not guilty Thursday morning to two counts of second-degree murder, home invasion and tampering with evidence.

State Attorney Bill Eddins says he will present the case to a grand jury within the next week.

The grand jury will decide if any of the suspects should face capital murder charges for the July 9th murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings, a couple known for adopting special needs children.

Arraignments for the alleged shooter/mastermind, Leonard Gonzales Jr, Wayne Coldiron and Pamela Long Wiggins were all delayed until after the grand jury hearing.

Pamela Long Wiggns is the only suspect not charged with murder. She's charged with being an accessory after the fact. Police found a safe stolen from the Billings' home buried in her backyard.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 06, 2009, 02:50:42 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1173714.html

Prosecutor to seek new charge in Panhandle murders

 PENSACOLA, Fla. --  Prosecutors will ask a grand jury to indict seven men for first-degree murder in the home-invasion slayings of a wealthy Panhandle Couple, a move that could allow them to seek the death penalty, a state attorney said Thursday.

Judge Linda Nobles delayed court proceedings that had been scheduled Thursday for four of the people charged so far in the deaths of Byrd, 66 and Melanie Billings, 43. The couple were shot to death last month during a break-in at their home west of Pensacola. They were known for adopting 13 children with autism, downs syndrome and other special needs.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said he will present his case to a grand jury Wednesday and asked the group to appear in court in one week to face new charges depending on the grand jury's decision.

Eddins and Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan have said the investigation into the July 9 home-invasion is continuing and that more arrests are possible.

Eddins said it is too early to say whether prosecutors will seek the death penalty against any of those arrested thus far.

"A decision to seek the death penalty has to be done a very deliberate and methodical way," he said.

Byrd and Melanie Billings' daughter, son-in-law, and other relatives filled the first row of the courtroom Thursday morning. They left the building through a back door without talking to the media.

Among those scheduled to appear for arraignment was karate instructor Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, who investigators have identified as the ringleader of the group. According to court documents, another suspect has told investigators that Gonzalez was the person who shot and killed the couple.

In addition to the seven male suspects, Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, is charged as an accessory.

Wiggins, an antique shop owner, had rented a home to Gonzalez. Investigators found a safe from the Billings' home in her backyard. Wiggins' attorney entered a not guilty plea on her behalf on Wednesday, but Eddins said the charge against her will likely change.

Gonzalez's father, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, 56, appeared in court with his attorney, Tony Henderson. Henderson entered a not guilty plea for Gonzalez to the four charges he currently faces: two counts of second degree murder and two counts of home invasion with a firearm. Henderson said the elder Gonzalez will return to court in a week to respond to the new charges that will likely be brought after the grand jury meets.

Investigators discovered a red van identified from security cameras at the Billings' home in the elder Gonzalez's yard after the murders.

A fourth suspect, Wayne Thomas Coldiron, 41, also appeared in the courtroom. Coldiron, who faces the same charges as Gonzalez, appeared without his attorney. He looked around the room and smiled at the dozens of onlookers. He complained to the judge about a problem with the water in his jail cell before agreeing to have his arraignment postponed and being led away by deputies.

Investigators have said the men were dressed in "ninja garb," in all black clothing and masks, and that they entered the Billings' home, shot and killed the couple and left within four minutes. Nine of the couple's 17 children were home and in other parts of the sprawling estate during the home-invasion. The couple had four biological and 13 adopted children.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 06, 2009, 02:58:33 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090806/NEWS01/90806004

Two of the eight suspects in the Byrd and Melanie Billings slayings appeared in court this morning.


Leonard Gonzalez Sr., 56, who is charged with two counts of second-degree murder, home invasion and tampering with evidence, entered a not guilty plea.

His charges could change within the next week. State Attorney Bill Eddins said the case will be presented to a grand jury. The grand jury will decide whether any of the suspects in the double homicide face a capital charge of first-degree murder, which is punishable by a mandatory life prison term or the death penalty.

Gonzalez Sr. didn’t speak at the hearing, but appeared feeble, walking with the aid of a wooden cane. One of his two attorneys, Assistant Public Defender Scott Ritchie, said that his client has several health problems and needs a hearing aid.

Ritchie wouldn’t say whether Gonzalez Sr. had contact with his son, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, who is considered the shooter in the July 9 home invasion at the Billingses’ Beulah home. Both are housed at the Escambia County Jail without bond.

Arraignments for suspects Wayne Coldiron, 41, Leonard Gonzalez Jr. and Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, were all delayed until after the grand jury, at the request of State Attorney Bill Eddins. Despite entering the plea, Gonzalez Sr. also is due back in court.

Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, is the only suspect in the case not changed in the killings and free on bond. She is charged with accessory after the fact and is accused of helping the six men and 16-year-old boy who raided the Billingses’ home. Investigators say she also helped hide the weapons used as well as a small safe taken from the home.

She is also charged with an unrelated count of bigamy for allegedly being married to two different men in Florida and Alabama.

Coldiron, who entered the Billingses’ home and told investigators that Leonard Gonzalez Jr. likely killed the couple, according to court documents, also made a brief appearance today in the packed courtroom.

Coldiron, whose attorney Sharon Wilson did not appear with him at the hearing, complained about a lack of water in his holding cell outside Judge Linda Nobles’ courtroom at the M.C. Blanchard Judicial Building.

“Can you put me somewhere where there’s running water?” he asked the judge.
Nobles told Coldiron he would be returned to the Escambia County Jail within minutes.

The Billingses’ daughter, Ashley Markham, her husband, Blue, and several family members were ushered into the courtroom through a back door before the hearings began. They left in haste after hearings.

Markham, who is caring for her parents nine adopted, special-needs children, declined a request for an interview as she left the courthouse.

“No thank you,” she said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 06, 2009, 05:33:20 PM

From Rick's Blog:

Gonzalez charges set for grand jury
August 6 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
On July 31, the State Attorney’s Office has reduced the charges on Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. from open counts of murder to second degree murder not premediated. The same goes for his father and all the other suspects.

According to our friends in the legal profession, this is a standard legal maneuver with a grand jury. The State Attorney knows that he can get a grand jury to, at a minimum, approve the lesser charge, but then argues for the charges to be increased to first degree.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 06, 2009, 06:07:51 PM
I wonder if Cab Tice showed up today or if he is still "in the wind".

WEAR TV 3 did broadcast a report by Dan Thomas that states that Cab Tice is a person of interest in the Billings case. It’s a video version of what I reported last week. Thomas did talk with an employee of the Eddy English Auto Sales who said that Tice is out of town and will be back by Thursday, August 6. This could get interesting.

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7089


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on August 06, 2009, 06:38:12 PM
I was wondering if Tice had surfaced anywhere today too!

I was re-reading some things today and found these additional comments under this entry VERY interesting!

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7080

Sordid tale of woe from T. Gonzalez’s ex

Check out the one from JD says:August 5, 2009 at 7:59 pm  ::MonkeyEek:: 

Sounds like this is getting deeper and deeper! ::MonkeyConfused::





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Toler on August 06, 2009, 08:06:35 PM
From ECSO:

Press Release

Pensacola, Fla–The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office is currently questioning Henry “Cab” Tice, in the conjunction with the Billings Murder case. More details to come.


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7100


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 06, 2009, 08:23:26 PM
I was wondering if Tice had surfaced anywhere today too!

I was re-reading some things today and found these additional comments under this entry VERY interesting!

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7080

Sordid tale of woe from T. Gonzalez’s ex

Check out the one from JD says:August 5, 2009 at 7:59 pm  ::MonkeyEek:: 

Sounds like this is getting deeper and deeper! ::MonkeyConfused::



::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::

OMG~Rita Meeks was called in as a consult when my daughter was in premature labor.......






Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on August 06, 2009, 10:13:19 PM

http://ricksblog.biz/

Tice arrested for grand larceny
August 6 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

More to come.


Maybe more details soon!



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on August 06, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
UPDATE .....


http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7105

Tice arrested for grand theft

Press release

Pensacola, Fla–The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Henry Cabell Tice, 61, on warrant. Tice faces one count of Grand Theft over $10,000 related to financial dealings with Byrd Billings’ business Worldco Financial Services. These charges are related to a criminal investigation initiated in May of 2008.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 07, 2009, 12:25:24 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090806/NEWS01/90806024

 ::MonkeyTongue::


Another arrest made in relation to Billings case
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • August 6, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A Gulf Shores, Ala., resident with business ties to Byrd and Melanie Billing as well as ties to the chief suspect in their slayings was arrested Thursday night on a grand theft charge and questioned about the murders.


 
Henry Cabell Tice, 61, drove himself to the Sheriff’s Office after officers notified him of a warrant revolving around accusations that he wrote worthless checks totaling more than $10,000 to Worldco Financial Services Inc., a company owned by the Billings family.


But Sheriff David Morgan has made clear that his main interest in Tice relates to whether he was involved in the July 9 slayings of the Billingses in their Beulah home. Billings and Tice knew each other through their respective used car businesses in Northwest Florida.


“Mr. Tice is a person of interest in the Billings’ case,’’ Morgan said Thursday night.
Early Thursday evening, Morgan took the unusual step of announcing that Tice was being questioned in connection with the murders along with being arrested on the grand theft charge. The Sheriff’s Office has questioned Tice before.


Later, Morgan said Tice told investigators that he had “a father and son relationship’’ with Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, one of eight people charged in the home invasion that ended in the Billingses’ deaths.


Six men and a 16-year-old boy have been charged with going to the home, and a woman has been charged with helping them after the crime. Gonzalez, according to a co-defendant’s statement to investigators, fired the multiple shots that killed the couple.


Morgan has not spelled out how he thinks Tice might be involved in the murders. However, he repeatedly has said he has not ruled out the possibility that the
murders were a contract killing.


Tice said he spoke with Gonzalez “on a daily basis,’’ according to Morgan. But the sheriff would not say whether Tice said he talked with Gonzalez the day of the slayings.


Morgan also said Tice told investigators Thursday he had business dealings with “the Mexican mafia” in relation to selling used cars.

(2 of 2)



“He had borrowed up to $50,000 at one time from the Mexican mafia and was in debt to them in his payments back to them,’’ the sheriff said.


Morgan would not say whether “the Mexican mafia” had anything to do with the Billings murders.


Tice’s statements concerning his relationship to Byrd Billings were “all over the map,’’ Morgan said.


“At first they were good friends, then they had a falling out,’’ he said. “It was a confusing statement in that respect.’’


Tice has been in Colombia, South America, for several days and returned Thursday, Morgan said. He was located at a Pace car dealership where he works and informed of the grant theft warrant. He voluntarily followed deputies back to the Sheriff’s Office for questioning on the murders and booking on the theft charge.


The grand theft charge alleges that Tice wrote between $10,000 and $20,000 in worthless checks to Worldco, which offered loans to car buyers and others who otherwise couldn’t get credit. Secretary of State records list Melanie Billings and her daughter, Ashley Markham, as officers of the company.


The investigation into those worthless checks began in May 2008, Morgan said. The probe has languished since then but was amped up as the sheriff became increasingly focused on Tice’s ties to the Billingses.


Tice was being processed into the Escambia County Jail late Thursday. His bond was set at $5,000.






Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 07, 2009, 12:54:05 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

Tice's booking photo


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 09:02:18 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/Friday.jpg)

Good morning everyone & thanks for the updates. 

Only $5000 bond?  I guess with the current charges that's all they can do until they can get more evidence on his connection.  I was a little surprised that he returned.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 09:04:23 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=9970

Henry Cab Tice Arrested In Billings Case; Connections To Mexican Mafia

August 7, 2009

Thursday night, the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office  arrested Henry Cabell Tice, 61, in connection to his dealings with a finance company owned by Byrd Billings.

ticehenry.jpgTice faces one count of grand theft over $10,000 related to financial dealings with Byrd Billings’ business Worldco Financial Services, according to a statement from the Escambia County Sheriff’s Department. These charges are related to a criminal investigation initiated in May of 2008.

Tice and Billings knew each other because of their used car businesses and Worldco Financial, Sheriff David Morgan said, naming Tice as a “person of interest” in the murder investigation. The sheriff said Tice and murder suspect Leonard Gonzalez, Jr. had a “father and son relationship” and spoke often.

The sheriff also said that Tice admitted when questioned Thursday that Tice had connections to the Mexican mafia. Morgan said he would release further information soon about Tice  and his dealings with the Mexican mafia and the car business.

Morgan said Tice had borrowed $50,000 from the Mexican mafia, and that he was still in debt to them. In his dealings with the Mafia, Morgan said Tice would sell cars across the border to be resold in Mexico. The sheriff said the deals were cash, under-the-table.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 09:16:14 AM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7095


Gonzalez charges set for grand jury (updated)

August 6 2009

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

On July 31, the State Attorney’s Office set the charges on Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. to second degree murder not premediated. The same goes for his father and all the other suspects.

According to asst. State Attorney Greg Marcille, the second degree is the highest charge that their office can set prior to going to the grand jury. State law requires that the open counts of murder be changed after a certain period of time.

Only a grand jury can set the charges as first degree murder.






The longest day..it’s a humdinger

August 7 2009

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

August 6, 2009 will go down as one of the longest days in my life as a journalist. We were dealing with two rumors all day. One was the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office was once again pushing to get an arrest warrant for Henry Cab Tice, the used car dealer who I had reported over a week ago as a person of interest in the murders of Bud and Melanie Billings and whether they were contract hits (The Daily Beast and IN Buzz). The second rumor was that Cab Tice had returned from Colombia, South America and was back in the area (The Daily Beast).

Rumors of an imminent arrest of Cab Tice have floated around since I first reported that those being questioned by investigators were telling law enforcement that the double homicide was actually murder-for-hire and that Patrick Gonzalez, Jr had been paid between $20,000-$50,000 for the killings. However, the arrest never materialized, leaving me and others believing that there was a political battle being waged between the State Attorney’s Office and the ECSO over Tice and the contract killing theory. After all, the robbery-gone-wrong angle was straight-forward and even Joe Pesci’s character from “My Cousin Vinny,” Vincent Gambini, could prosecute the case as it stood without any conspiracy plots.

All Wednesday, I received phone calls that Tice was coming back Thursday. WEAR’s Dan Thomas also reported it in his Cab Tice piece on Tuesday. Why was Tice returning? We had heard from several sources that Tice had fled to Colombia where he reportedly has a new wife. The big question for many about Tice and his business dealings with Bud Billings and others is where is all the money that he reportedly owes Billings ($150K-$300K), former business partner Wayne Peterson ($50K-$150K) and others, including his ex-wife.

By all accounts, Tice is nearly penniless and has no visible assets. Friends say that he doesn’t do drugs or gamble—although he does like Tequila, but not excessively to the tune of $1M. Could Tice have stashed money away in Colombia? No one knows.

When Tice came late yesterday afternoon to the offices of the ECSO, I fully believe that he didn’t think that he would be arrested. Tice, the consummate used car salesman, was there—I believe—to find out what the ECSO had on him and to “play” Sheriff Morgan. It didn’t work. Over nearly three hours of questioning, Tice told investigators of his connections with the Mexican mafia, from whom Tice said that he had borrowed $50K. It’s unclear whether it was a one-time loan or some kind of revolving credit plan. When the Tice interview was over, Cab was arrested for grand theft—for the cars that he sold off his Hispanic-American Auto Sales lot without paying off his creditor, Worldco Financial Services—a company owned by the Billings family.

The Mexican mafia connection to this case is one that I first heard within days of the killings, but I could never pin it down. There have been so many false leads in this investigation that I couldn’t determine whether the Mexican mafia theory was just another urban legend. The funny thing is that I heard more about the Mexican mafia in relationship with Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. and Pam Wiggins than Tice. However, I never could solidly tie it all down….and despite what the other media may think about my investigative work and my sources, I’ve been very careful in verifying the information that I have reported on this case.

Gulf Breeze – where Gonzalez and Wiggins live- had a recent federal case that many locals believed was tied to the Mexican mafia or the Mexican gang MS 13. In December 2007, Cancun’s Mexican Grill was raided by local, state and federal authorities–the charges were drug and human trafficking. Twenty-five people were arrested in the raids, 15 of whom were deported. Owner Rogelio Galvan-Chavez was sentenced to life in prison April 30, 2008 for operating a drug ring from his business and violating immigration laws (DOJ press release).

I am working on an article for The Daily Beast and will have more later. Stay tuned.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 09:33:01 AM
Just as an aside, here is an article on the Cancun's Mexican Grill case:

Gulf Breeze News

Accomplices to Rogelio Galvan-Chavez in the Cancun's Mexican Grill drug and weapons trafficking and illegal immigration case were sentenced to prison last week.

Galvan-Chavez, the restaurant's 35-year-old owner, was sentenced to life in prison April 30 following his conviction of conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine and methamphetamine, conspiracy to use a communication facility to commit a felony, concealing, harboring and shielding illegal aliens for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, and aiding and abetting the possession of a firearm by two illegal aliens.

The sentencings included:

Jesus Rodriguez-Orosco, 34, of Pensacola, the "front man" for Galvan-Chavez's operations, 16.6 years (200 months) for drug trafficking conspiracy, communication facility conspiracy, possessing a firearm as an illegal alien, and illegal reentry into the United States following deportation.

Cesar Madonado-Bazquez, 29, of Pensacola, operator of "Seven Mares Mexican Restaurant," 11.3 years (136 months) for drug trafficking conspiracy, possessing a firearm as an illegal alien, and illegal reentry into the United States following deportation.

Alejandro Hatem- Hernandez, 28, Pensacola, a local distributor, 10 years (120 months) for drug trafficking conspiracy, trafficking in fraudulent identification documents, possessing a firearm as an illegal alien, and illegal reentry into the United States following deportation. He pleaded guilty to his charges.

Antioco Cabrera-Esquivel, 34, of Pensacola, eight years (96 months) for drug trafficking conspiracy, possessing fraudulent identification documents, possessing a firearm as an illegal alien, and illegal reentry into the United States following deportation.

Rodriguez-Orosco, Madonado-Bazquez, Hatem- Hernandez, and Cabrera- Esquivel are all Mexican nationals unlawfully present in the United States and will be deported following service of their prison terms.

Galvan-Chavez led an organized crime group that distributed large quantities of cocaine and methamphetamine in the Panhandle. Galvan-Chavez obtained the drugs from a source in Atlanta, arranged for their transportation to the Panhandle, and used several individuals to distribute the cocaine and methamphetamine in Northwest Florida. Some of the drug and firearm transactions took place just outside Cancun's Mexican Grill, which is located about an eighth of a mile from Gulf Breeze High School.

"This investigation and prosecution dismantled a major interstate drug trafficking organization," U.S. Attorney Gregory Miller said. "The convictions and sentences could not have been achieved without the tireless, capable efforts of officers and agents of the Pensacola and Gulf Breeze police departments, Escambia and Santa Rosa County Sheriff's offices, and various state and federal investigative agencies."

Assistant United States Attorney David Goldberg prosecuted the case.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 07, 2009, 10:22:32 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer3::

Thanks Cece for the updates.......my laptop bit the dust this am, and I snuck one away from a co-worker for a bit ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 07, 2009, 10:28:17 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

Tice's booking photo


BUSTED!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 07, 2009, 12:35:29 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/

1)Tice arrest report
August 7 2009one Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
On 5/22/08, Tice wrote twelve checks to Worldco that were returned non-sufficient funds. Total checks is $17,342.51. They were to pay for vehicles and services conducted through Worldco and Hispanic-American Auto Sales.

Billings had provided legal copies of the checks to the ECSO in 2008.

Read HENRY_TICE



2) Newsweek reports Tice investigated in Ala. too
August 7 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009
Newsweek has an online article on the Billings case. Senior Reporter Catharine Skipp spent nearly two weeks in the area working on the story. In it, she reports:

Another individual made similar allegations against Tice to police in Foley, Ala., home to another of his businesses. There, Det. Larry Dearing confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Tice is under investigation for allegedly smuggling 23 vehicles worth $61,000 to buyers in Mexico (though he has not been charged). The two acquaintances say Escambia County sheriff’s detectives recently informed Billings that they were making progress in their investigation. Perhaps Tice was “worried about [Billings] testifying” against him, speculates one. What’s certain, says the other, is that Tice “hates [Byrd] Billings with a passion.”

Read the article.

Popularity: 1% [?]




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 07, 2009, 03:22:56 PM
Did they let Tice bond out?
I feel certain he has moved all of his assets to South America.  It is said he has a wife there.
Even if they collected his pass port, I am sure he has a spare.  He'll be outa here!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 07, 2009, 04:37:57 PM
The DEA is not interested in this case because of stolen cars and bad checks. Mexican Mafia or not, that is not why they were called in. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 07, 2009, 04:43:40 PM
Did they let Tice bond out?
I feel certain he has moved all of his assets to South America.  It is said he has a wife there.
Even if they collected his pass port, I am sure he has a spare.  He'll be outa here!

I haven't heard if he has been bonded out or not. Guessing that he has since his bond is so low. Maybe one of his Mexican Mafia friends coughed up the money.  ::MonkeyDevil::

He wouldn't necesarily need a passport. Nothing to stop him from hoping on somebody's yatch and heading south.  Where's Pamela these days?

I guess his new wife is a rich woman if he has all his assets down in Columbia...or not. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 07:21:54 PM
::MonkeyCheer3::

Thanks Cece for the updates.......my laptop bit the dust this am, and I snuck one away from a co-worker for a bit ::MonkeyWink::

Oh, IM, I'm so sorry about your puter.  I hope you are back up & running soon.  I know what that is like!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 07:28:26 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Business_Associate_Arrested_For_Theft

Business associate
arrested for theft

Updated: Friday, 07 Aug 2009, 5:49 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 07 Aug 2009, 5:34 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Liz Nelson
    * Photojournalist: Franz Barraza

PENSACOLA, Fla. - A former partner of Byrd Billings is now a person of interest in the Billings murder case. Sheriff David Morgan said authorities are questioning Henry "Cab" Tice, a former business associate of Billings. Authorities say Tice stole thousands from Billings.

"What we're doing, is going through any family member, associate, business associate, that Mr. Billings may have had. Anyone through those associations who may or may not have had anything to do with murder," Said Morgan.

Tice came on the radar when a theft investigation started around a year ago. He was arrested Thursday on a grand theft charge.

Investigators say he wrote Byrd Billings nearly $20,000 worth of bad checks. Deputies say Billings wasn't the only person Tice owed money to.

Sheriff Morgan said, "He was into the Mexican Mafia, his words not ours, for loans between $20,000 to $50,000. He was in the process of repaying them because of bad decisions he'd made through the car business, and again in association with Mr. Billings."

The sheriff said they don't believe Billings had any ties to the Mexican Mafia.

FOX10 News has also learned the Foley Police Department is also investigating Tice for the theft of 23 cars. Sources tell us Tice shipped those cars to Mexico.

Tice posted a $5,000 bond Thursday night on the Escambia County theft charge, but deputies are watching him to make sure he stays close.

"He's under travel restrictions; he's made frequent trips to Columbia and Mexico. We've directed him not to leave country again," Morgan said,


The Billings family issued this statement in response to the arrest:

"We are pleased that the investigation is continuing as to the May 2008 complaint filed by Bud Billings related to the theft of the cars. We have faith that Sheriff Morgan will be diligent in determining whether there is any connection between Cab Tice and the murders. At this point the family is watching the investigation unfold and learning of the new developments along with the rest of the public."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 07:34:36 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1175969.html

More severe charges sought in slaying of Florida Panhandle couple
By MELISSA NELSON
Associated Press

PENSACOLA, Fla. -- Prosecutors said Friday they want to upgrade charges to capital murder for two more of the eight suspects in the deaths of a Panhandle couple known for adopting many children with special needs, and investigators questioned another man about the slayings and said there could be more arrests.

Police questioned Gulf Shores, Ala., car dealer and businessman Henry Cabell Tice, 61, after he turned himself in at the Escambia County Sheriff's Office on Thursday night, spokesman Ted Roy said.

Tice was arrested on a warrant for writing $17,341 in bad checks to Worldco Financial Services Inc., an auto financing company owned by Byrd and Melanie Billings, who were killed last month.

Tice posted $5,000 bond and was released Friday. Tice told investigators he had just returned from a business trip to Colombia and was in debt to members of the Mexican Mafia, Roy said.

Tice has not returned phone messages left by The Associated Press at his home.

Investigators have said security cameras from the Billings' home showed the men dressed in "ninja garb" - all black clothing and masks - and that they entered the home, shot and killed the couple and left within four minutes. Nine of the couple's 17 children were home and in other parts of the sprawling estate during the home-invasion. The couple had four biological and 13 adopted children.

Sheriff David Morgan said Thursday that Tice told investigators he had "father and son relationship" with Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., the 35-year-old karate instructor investigators have described as the group's ringleader. Another of the eight suspects arrested in the killings has told investigators that it was Gonzalez who shot and killed the couple.

In court Friday, Frederick Lee Thornton, 19, and Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, made brief appearances as state Attorney Bill Eddins requested their arraignments be delayed one week so that he could take the case to a grand jury. Court proceedings for several other of the men arrested in the case were also delayed Thursday.

Eddins has said he will ask the grand jury to indict the group for capital murder, a move that could allow him to seek the death penalty. Seven men, including a 16-year-old who prosecutors have decided to charge as an adult, had faced second-degree murder charges. Eddins is now asking the grand jury to upgrade the charges.

Under Florida law, only a grand jury can indict a defendant for capital murder. If convicted, the penalty is either death or life in prison.

Also charged as an accomplice in the case is Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, an antique shop owner who had rented a home to Gonzalez. Investigators found a safe from the Billings' home in her backyard. Wiggins' attorney has pleaded not guilty on her behalf.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 07:40:14 PM
Copy of arrest warrant:

http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/HENRY_TICE.pdf


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 07, 2009, 07:45:41 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090807/NEWS01/90807006&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Murder suspects in court

August 7, 2009


Two men accused of participating in the deadly July 9 home invasion at Byrd and Melanie Billings’ home appeared in court today.

Gary Lamont Sumner, 30, and Frederick Lee Thornton Jr., 19, were arrested on charges of murder in the daylight robbery that resulted in the shooting deaths of the Beulah couple.

State Attorney Bill Eddins asked the judge to postpone arraignments for the two men until after the grand jury meets Tuesday.

Both are scheduled for arraignment on Aug. 13 along with suspects Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, Leonard Gonzalez Sr., 56, Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, and Wayne Coldiron, 41.

Sumner — who owns a car-detailing business in Okaloosa County — was accused of driving a blue sport utility vehicle that transported men to the Billingses home.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 08, 2009, 12:57:35 AM
In August 1999, Tice gave numerous checks written on his
AmSouth account totaling $174,000 to Dan Jaquish, whom Tice
described as his "best friend" and a frequent business
associate. Jaquish is also a wholesaler (and a retailer) of
used automobiles; he does business under the name "Auto
Outlet." The checks were drawn on Tice's business account at
AmSouth and were made payable to "Auto Outlet." According to
Tice, these checks were security for a loan Jaquish had made
to Tice and Jaquish was to hold the checks and cash them
later. Tice claimed that he and Jaquish then made other
payment arrangements for the alleged loan, and, he said, both
he and Jaquish agreed that Tice would stop payment on the
checks he had issued as security for the loan.

Two years after the stop payment Jaquish cashed the checks at an
AmSouth bank.  Tice won a judgement against AmSouth for $174,000
plus $290,000 for the mental anguish, but a higher court reversed the
decision on appeal.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 08, 2009, 01:12:02 AM
In August 1999, Tice gave numerous checks written on his
AmSouth account totaling $174,000 to Dan Jaquish, whom Tice
described as his "best friend" and a frequent business
associate. Jaquish is also a wholesaler (and a retailer) of
used automobiles; he does business under the name "Auto
Outlet." The checks were drawn on Tice's business account at
AmSouth and were made payable to "Auto Outlet." According to
Tice, these checks were security for a loan Jaquish had made
to Tice and Jaquish was to hold the checks and cash them
later. Tice claimed that he and Jaquish then made other
payment arrangements for the alleged loan, and, he said, both
he and Jaquish agreed that Tice would stop payment on the
checks he had issued as security for the loan.

Two years after the stop payment Jaquish cashed the checks at an
AmSouth bank.  Tice won a judgement against AmSouth for $174,000
plus $290,000 for the mental anguish, but a higher court reversed the
decision on appeal.

It looks like a pattern, that has been going on for many years, doesn't it MAGNOLIA?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 08, 2009, 01:23:27 AM
In August 1999, Tice gave numerous checks written on his
AmSouth account totaling $174,000 to Dan Jaquish, whom Tice
described as his "best friend" and a frequent business
associate. Jaquish is also a wholesaler (and a retailer) of
used automobiles; he does business under the name "Auto
Outlet." The checks were drawn on Tice's business account at
AmSouth and were made payable to "Auto Outlet." According to
Tice, these checks were security for a loan Jaquish had made
to Tice and Jaquish was to hold the checks and cash them
later. Tice claimed that he and Jaquish then made other
payment arrangements for the alleged loan, and, he said, both
he and Jaquish agreed that Tice would stop payment on the
checks he had issued as security for the loan.

Two years after the stop payment Jaquish cashed the checks at an
AmSouth bank.  Tice won a judgement against AmSouth for $174,000
plus $290,000 for the mental anguish, but a higher court reversed the
decision on appeal.


There was a local politician in Mobile by the name of Jockicsh that was in a bit of hot water at one time. Although his first name is not the same, I have often wondered if they were not somehow related and had changed the spelling of the name as some folks do with an odd name. Just a thought.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 08, 2009, 11:04:55 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/we16.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 08, 2009, 11:17:19 AM
More Details On Tice Connection To Billings; Read Arrest Report

August 8, 2009

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10001

(looks like just more of the same)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 08, 2009, 12:16:48 PM
Thanks CECE,for all of your reports this morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 08, 2009, 03:10:26 PM
Thanks CECE,for all of your reports this morning.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Always my pleasure!  Hope you  & all monkeys are having a fabulous weekend.   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 09, 2009, 10:11:00 AM
Billings Theft Suspect Tice Had Previous Problems With Worthless Checks

August 9, 2009

http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10024


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 09, 2009, 10:14:43 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10024


Dateline NBC interviews Cab Tice

August 8 20092 Commented

Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

The Mobile NBC affiliate – WMPI 10 – has started running promo pieces for the Monday Dateline NBC show that will focus on the Billings murders (see). Dateline has an exclusive interview with Cab Tice. In the clip shown, Tice is choked up, nearly sheds a tear, when he talks about Bud and Melanie Billings.

Henry “Cab” Tice was arrested Thursday night for grand theft. The charge stems from his business dealings with Byrd Billings’ business Worldco Financial Services. Tice told ECSO about his connections with the Mexican mafia and how he had borrowed $50K from them. Tice is free on a $5K bond.

In a Newsweek article on the double homicide, an unnamed source said, “What’s certain is that Tice hates [Byrd] Billings with a passion.” What I have reported is that Cab Tice has been the prime target in an investigation to whether the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings were a contract hit. People questioned by investigators have told them that Tice was involved.

In the NBC 15 clip, Tice says “That anybody would say that I had anything to do with the murder of Bud or Melanie is a liar.”

The Dateline show runs 9 p.m. – Monday, August 10. It should be a humdinger.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 09, 2009, 10:17:29 AM
http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story/Killer-Connection-to-Billings-Couple/hjYHIQND60Cpxp2T2GgIpg.cspx

Killer Connection to Billings Couple?

Last Update: 8/08 12:02 am


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 09, 2009, 10:18:51 AM
Hope everyone is enjoying their day!

 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 10, 2009, 09:18:36 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10056

Report: Mexican Mafia Might Be Behind Billings Murders

August 10, 2009

Ties to the Mexican mafia have been mentioned by every suspect in the Byrd and Melanie Billings murders, according to a report published today by a local independent newspaper publisher.

Rick Outzen, publisher of the Independent Weekly, writes in an article on the The Daily Beast that each one of the seven suspects has mentioned the Mexican mafia, with one witness saying “Those guys will kill you”.

As reported last week on NorthEscambia.com, Henry “Cab” Tice, who has been charged with grand theft for stealing from the Billings’ finance company, told investigators that he borrowed $50,000 from the Mexican mafia, and that he was still in debt to them. In his dealings with the Mafia, Sheriff David Morgan said Tice would sell cars across the border to be resold in Mexico. The sheriff said the deals were cash, under-the-table.

Read more about the Mexican mafia connection to all of the suspects in the article by Outzen on The Daily Beast by clicking here (opens in new window).


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 10, 2009, 09:23:56 AM
You might want to check out the Mobile Fox station for information.  It is a big story on their tv station.  I don't have the link but just do a search.

We rode out Ft. Morgan road yesterday but I didn't see any auto place there.  Doesn't seem to be a big story around Gulf Shores but does around Mobile.  They said this morning it appears to be related to Mexican Mafia.  That is what a salesman told me.  He said they are bad news in this part of the state.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 10, 2009, 09:33:35 AM
You might want to check out the Mobile Fox station for information.  It is a big story on their tv station.  I don't have the link but just do a search.

We rode out Ft. Morgan road yesterday but I didn't see any auto place there.  Doesn't seem to be a big story around Gulf Shores but does around Mobile.  They said this morning it appears to be related to Mexican Mafia.  That is what a salesman told me.  He said they are bad news in this part of the state.

Thank you Blue Moon. 

Here is the link to their home page.  But I couldn't find any updates from them.

http://www.fox10tv.com/


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 10, 2009, 09:39:20 AM
You might want to check out the Mobile Fox station for information.  It is a big story on their tv station.  I don't have the link but just do a search.

We rode out Ft. Morgan road yesterday but I didn't see any auto place there.  Doesn't seem to be a big story around Gulf Shores but does around Mobile.  They said this morning it appears to be related to Mexican Mafia.  That is what a salesman told me.  He said they are bad news in this part of the state.

Thank you Blue Moon. 

Here is the link to their home page.  But I couldn't find any updates from them.

http://www.fox10tv.com/

They said this morning that they had a site off their main page just for this case.  I will look later on after I get back from the Casino's.  See you.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 10, 2009, 12:27:08 PM
You might want to check out the Mobile Fox station for information.  It is a big story on their tv station.  I don't have the link but just do a search.

We rode out Ft. Morgan road yesterday but I didn't see any auto place there.  Doesn't seem to be a big story around Gulf Shores but does around Mobile.  They said this morning it appears to be related to Mexican Mafia.  That is what a salesman told me.  He said they are bad news in this part of the state.

Thank you Blue Moon. 

Here is the link to their home page.  But I couldn't find any updates from them.

http://www.fox10tv.com/

They said this morning that they had a site off their main page just for this case.  I will look later on after I get back from the Casino's.  See you.

Here is a link to their coverage, but I'm not seeing anything new:

http://www.fox10tv.com/generic/news/billings_murder

(Enjoy the Casinos). 
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 10, 2009, 01:18:57 PM
 ::MonkeyTongue::  OOPS~left out he last page of the daily beast article:

Connection
by Rick Outzen

Info RSS  Rick Outzen is publisher and editor of Independent News, the alternative newsweekly for Northwest Florida.
X Close
 
Emails| printSingle Page| text-+Facebook |  Twitter |  Digg |     Enter your email address:
 Enter the recipients' email addresses, separated by commas:
 Message:
   Your email has been sent.Thanks for recommending The Daily Beast!
X Close

Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death by masked intruders inside their secluded home in rural Beulah, Florida, on July 9. Nine of their children were in the house at the time of the murders, and three saw the men in the home and may be witnesses to the shootings.

All seven home intruders are charged with the two murders and a grand jury is set to convene next week. An eighth suspect, Pamela Wiggins, has been charged with being an accessory after the fact and is out on $10,000 bond. Sheriff Morgan has repeatedly told the media that he expects more arrests.

Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. has been identified as the leader of the gang and has been named by at least one suspect as the lone shooter of the Billings couple. Gonzalez, who is in jail without bond along with other six intruders, once worked for Tice, but a close friend of both Tice and Byrd “Bud” Billings tells The Daily Beast their relationship was much more than that. “Cab was a father figure for Patrick,” the friend says. “If any one had any influence over him, it was Cab.”

Just before his arrest, Tice had left the area, as first reported by The Daily Beast. I have confirmed that he traveled to Colombia. In Florida, he lives in a trailer behind English Bobby Auto Sales, where he was a sales manager. Though investigators believe he owed Billings and the Mexican Mafia hundreds of thousands of dollars, he has no visible assets.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 10, 2009, 03:12:18 PM
TY so much IM!  I hope you get your puter back soon.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I see we have a new addition to our cute monkeys & all I can say is this is how I feel about Ms. Pam still being out on bond.
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 10, 2009, 08:09:47 PM
Here is the web link that was on tv this morning.  You might have already found this.  They have one section on the Billings only.

http://www.fox10tv.com/


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Rizzy on August 11, 2009, 01:48:53 AM
The Dateline show tonight was very interesting.  In case anyone missed it you can find the transcript here .....

Transcript of Dateline 08/10/09

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32364584/ns/dateline_nbc-crime_reports//





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 10:41:10 AM
Good morning & TY for the links Blue Moon & Rizzy.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
http://maggiesnotebook.blogspot.com/2009/08/henry-cab-tice-is-byrd-billings.html

Monday, August 10, 2009
Henry Cab Tice is Byrd Billings Arrested Debtor: Tice Billings Mexican Mafia?




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 11, 2009, 10:57:56 AM
 ::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not sure who all saw the dateline interview last night but several things "got my attention", one was the fact the Gonz Jr was at his place the day of the murders, the fact Tice called Gonz Jr almost directly at the exact time of the murders, the fact Tice tried to say Gonz Jr was "trying to set him up", and when he said I'm innocent of those charges (ummm, hello Cab you haven't even been charged with anything regarding the murders yet........guilty conscience maybe ::MonkeyRoll:: "


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 11, 2009, 02:37:31 PM
Two things from the below article stands out:  1) # of arrests could double.; 2) one of the 7 could be in the Mexican Mafia.

The Escambia County Sheriff says it's possible the number of arrests could double in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Eight people are currently charged in connection with the July murders of the couple inside their Beulah home.

Henry "Cab" Tice is a person of interest in the murders. He tells Dateline NBC he un-wittingly became involved with the Mexican mafia. And although he says he does not believe it is a factor in the murders, authorities are keeping that theory open.


"We can state unequivocally at this time that he has stated to us that he had business dealings with an organization he referred to as the Mexican mafia," Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said.

But Tice tells Dateline, he did not originally know the loan he was getting was from the Mexican Mafia.

Morgan says Tice confessed he got other loans, too, totaling as much as $50,000. In addition the Sheriff said weeks ago, one of the murder suspects, he won't say which one, claims to be a member of the Mexican Mafia. And it's been a common thread with all the suspects.

"That has been a topic yes I will affirm that that's been a topic in every interview that we've conducted," Morgan said. "That tells me that there's a strong current that we had an organized crime element at least involved in Escambia County and to what extent it involved directly with the Billings murders we're not sure at this time."

Tice, who was arrested for stealing from one of Byrd Billings' businesses remains a person of interest in the killings. Because of his ties to the victims and his apparent close relationship with the accused mastermind Leonard Gonzales, Jr.

"He's the topic of discussion at this moment, but there are others that share much of the same elements in this case that we are also actively investigating," Morgan said.

The Sheriff says these are people with business dealings, family ties or friendships with the Billings. He expects the arrests could easily rise to 11 or 12, but maybe even 16.



http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Arrests-In-Billings-Murders-Could-Double/k7YTAMp2N02kYmk-TcfOqg.cspx


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 11, 2009, 02:41:03 PM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: Finaly confirmation that there was a second safe with substantial $$ inside as we've heard rumored ::MonkeyBike::

164,000, jewelry were in second Billings safe
From staff reports • August 11, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A second safe at the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings contained $164,000, antique jewelry and legal documents, according to an attorney for the victims' family.



Attorney Robert Beasley said today that the money was a cash reserve for the Billingses' financing business. The money was removed as possible evidence.


"Contrary to rumors of as much as $12 million dollars in the home the night of the murders, the second safe contained $164,000 in cash, some antique jewelry and assorted legal documents," Beasley said in a press release. "There were no drugs, guns or any other items which suggested illegal activity found in the home."


Byrd and Melanie Billings were slain in their home July 9, and rumors of a second safe have circulated since. Beasley confirmed its existence after meeting with the state's attorney.


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090811/NEWS01/90811018


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 11, 2009, 02:42:55 PM
Two things from the below article stands out:  1) # of arrests could double.; 2) one of the 7 could be in the Mexican Mafia.

The Escambia County Sheriff says it's possible the number of arrests could double in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Eight people are currently charged in connection with the July murders of the couple inside their Beulah home.

Henry "Cab" Tice is a person of interest in the murders. He tells Dateline NBC he un-wittingly became involved with the Mexican mafia. And although he says he does not believe it is a factor in the murders, authorities are keeping that theory open.


"We can state unequivocally at this time that he has stated to us that he had business dealings with an organization he referred to as the Mexican mafia," Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said.

But Tice tells Dateline, he did not originally know the loan he was getting was from the Mexican Mafia.

Morgan says Tice confessed he got other loans, too, totaling as much as $50,000. In addition the Sheriff said weeks ago, one of the murder suspects, he won't say which one, claims to be a member of the Mexican Mafia. And it's been a common thread with all the suspects.

"That has been a topic yes I will affirm that that's been a topic in every interview that we've conducted," Morgan said. "That tells me that there's a strong current that we had an organized crime element at least involved in Escambia County and to what extent it involved directly with the Billings murders we're not sure at this time."

Tice, who was arrested for stealing from one of Byrd Billings' businesses remains a person of interest in the killings. Because of his ties to the victims and his apparent close relationship with the accused mastermind Leonard Gonzales, Jr.

"He's the topic of discussion at this moment, but there are others that share much of the same elements in this case that we are also actively investigating," Morgan said.

The Sheriff says these are people with business dealings, family ties or friendships with the Billings. He expects the arrests could easily rise to 11 or 12, but maybe even 16.



http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Arrests-In-Billings-Murders-Could-Double/k7YTAMp2N02kYmk-TcfOqg.cspx


ITA~when I heard that the number of arrest could double, I honestly thought I must have heard that wrong, but then local NBC ran a follow up after Dateline and sure enough that is what was said. I cna't imagine this case getting any weirder to be honest, but I'm sure it will ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 11, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
::MonkeyGavel:: Finaly confirmation that there was a second safe with substantial $$ inside as we've heard rumored ::MonkeyBike::

164,000, jewelry were in second Billings safe
From staff reports • August 11, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A second safe at the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings contained $164,000, antique jewelry and legal documents, according to an attorney for the victims' family.



Attorney Robert Beasley said today that the money was a cash reserve for the Billingses' financing business. The money was removed as possible evidence.


"Contrary to rumors of as much as $12 million dollars in the home the night of the murders, the second safe contained $164,000 in cash, some antique jewelry and assorted legal documents," Beasley said in a press release. "There were no drugs, guns or any other items which suggested illegal activity found in the home."


Byrd and Melanie Billings were slain in their home July 9, and rumors of a second safe have circulated since. Beasley confirmed its existence after meeting with the state's attorney.


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090811/NEWS01/90811018

I just knew there had to be something of value big time in a safe.  Why else would anyone enter that home and kill 2 people if they did not know what was there.  Sounds like they took the wrong safe and didn't know it til it was too late. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
::MonkeyGavel:: Finaly confirmation that there was a second safe with substantial $$ inside as we've heard rumored ::MonkeyBike::

164,000, jewelry were in second Billings safe
From staff reports • August 11, 2009

Print this page E-mail this article Share Del.icio.us
 Facebook
 Digg
 Reddit
 Newsvine
 Buzz up!Twitter
  A second safe at the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings contained $164,000, antique jewelry and legal documents, according to an attorney for the victims' family.



Attorney Robert Beasley said today that the money was a cash reserve for the Billingses' financing business. The money was removed as possible evidence.


"Contrary to rumors of as much as $12 million dollars in the home the night of the murders, the second safe contained $164,000 in cash, some antique jewelry and assorted legal documents," Beasley said in a press release. "There were no drugs, guns or any other items which suggested illegal activity found in the home."


Byrd and Melanie Billings were slain in their home July 9, and rumors of a second safe have circulated since. Beasley confirmed its existence after meeting with the state's attorney.


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090811/NEWS01/90811018

I just knew there had to be something of value big time in a safe.  Why else would anyone enter that home and kill 2 people if they did not know what was there.  Sounds like they took the wrong safe and didn't know it til it was too late. 

I believe the second safe was put in at the time of construction of the house. I know of someone else that did this, and it was cemented into place, and would have taken a jack-hammer to remove it. Since I believe this was a hit from the beginning, the ninja gang didn't know about the second safe, because they were never told about it's location. They couldn't have taken it anyway, but I believe the combination of the first safe was forced out of the Billings before they were killed. They didn't know to get the combination of the second one.

I actually think the people that did the killing were set up. Every one of them were responsible for the murders, even though I believe it was Gonz Jr that actually did the shooting. The rest probably didn't know it was going to be a hit. They were suckered in. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 05:32:59 PM
::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not sure who all saw the dateline interview last night but several things "got my attention", one was the fact the Gonz Jr was at his place the day of the murders, the fact Tice called Gonz Jr almost directly at the exact time of the murders, the fact Tice tried to say Gonz Jr was "trying to set him up", and when he said I'm innocent of those charges (ummm, hello Cab you haven't even been charged with anything regarding the murders yet........guilty conscience maybe ::MonkeyRoll:: "

ITA. The fact he was the one on the other end of the phone during that time period just screams to me that he knew what was going on. He may have been the intermediary for the person that really had this done, but he has blood on his hands too. The fact he was on camera with his crocodile tears doesn't move me. He is a crooked, stealing "used car salesman" for God's sakes. Since when can you trust a snake oil salesman? Tice says he didn't know that his loan was from the Mexican Mafia at first. Are you kidding me?? He has been wheeling and dealing across South American lines for a long time. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I still think their was a closer connection to the Billings for the cause of the murder. I have seen nothing that really moves me off of that. As far as more people being arrested, that surprises me not at all. I just hope they go all the way to the top of this thing and bite it off at the jugular vein.

I wonder how Mr Eddins is squirming around in his padded executive chair today? I am sure he did not approve Sheriff Morgan's little cameo last night on Dateline. He sure wasn't singing the same song as Morgan was singing last night. All he would talk about was a "home invasion."

Where is Pamela, and why is that b*tch still walking the streets or sailing on her yatch??? jmo





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
Two things from the below article stands out:  1) # of arrests could double.; 2) one of the 7 could be in the Mexican Mafia.

The Escambia County Sheriff says it's possible the number of arrests could double in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Eight people are currently charged in connection with the July murders of the couple inside their Beulah home.

Henry "Cab" Tice is a person of interest in the murders. He tells Dateline NBC he un-wittingly became involved with the Mexican mafia. And although he says he does not believe it is a factor in the murders, authorities are keeping that theory open.


"We can state unequivocally at this time that he has stated to us that he had business dealings with an organization he referred to as the Mexican mafia," Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said.

But Tice tells Dateline, he did not originally know the loan he was getting was from the Mexican Mafia.

Morgan says Tice confessed he got other loans, too, totaling as much as $50,000. In addition the Sheriff said weeks ago, one of the murder suspects, he won't say which one, claims to be a member of the Mexican Mafia. And it's been a common thread with all the suspects.

"That has been a topic yes I will affirm that that's been a topic in every interview that we've conducted," Morgan said. "That tells me that there's a strong current that we had an organized crime element at least involved in Escambia County and to what extent it involved directly with the Billings murders we're not sure at this time."

Tice, who was arrested for stealing from one of Byrd Billings' businesses remains a person of interest in the killings. Because of his ties to the victims and his apparent close relationship with the accused mastermind Leonard Gonzales, Jr.

"He's the topic of discussion at this moment, but there are others that share much of the same elements in this case that we are also actively investigating," Morgan said.

The Sheriff says these are people with business dealings, family ties or friendships with the Billings. He expects the arrests could easily rise to 11 or 12, but maybe even 16.



http://www.nbc15online.com/news/local/story/Sheriff-Arrests-In-Billings-Murders-Could-Double/k7YTAMp2N02kYmk-TcfOqg.cspx

WELCOME kc1234!!! ::MonkeyCheer2::


I have been seeing you up in the rafters and wondered when you were going to post. Nice first post, as a matter of fact.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 11, 2009, 07:07:42 PM
Thanks for the welcome!      ::MonkeyWink::
 
The silence in this case is telling.  The national media is silent, the friends and family are silent.  Sure Ashley and family's attorney have spoken, but that has been controlled and limited in scope. Normally, friends and family of those arrested come out to these boards and/or talk to the media stating that the alleged criminal is really a good person.  What is telling in this case is the complete silence from anyone claiming to be close to those arrested, linked or a named POI.  The only things we have heard was from the juvenile's father claiming that his son was more afraid of other people than he was about the police or getting arrested.  I have two theories, either Jr is a hitman for the Mexican Mafia, or he watched too many heist movies and came up with a maniacal plan to rob the Billings and convinced the others to join the plan.  What if the Mexican Mafia claims are empty in order to get the investigators to think that Tice is not the one calling the hit?  If the Mexican Mafia was the one calling the hit, don't you think Tice would rather be in jail than walking the streets?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 11, 2009, 07:16:57 PM
PLW will be charged with murder ::MonkeyCheer4:: and might get an increase in bond!

Source:http://www.pnj.com/article/20090811/NEWS01/90811023

An eighth suspect not charged in the killings, Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, of Gulf Breeze was initially charged with a third-degree felony count of accessory after the fact. State Attorney Bill Eddins said Tuesday after the grand jury that Long Wiggins’ charge will be amended to a first-degree felony, punishable by up to 30 years in state prison.

Six men and a teenage boy each were indicted today on two counts of first-degree murder and one count of home invastion in connection to the shooting deaths and robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


They are scheduled to be arraigned Thursday.


Grand jury indictment was handed up Tuesday and signed by Circuit Judge Joel Boles after four hours of testimony behind closed doors.


Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, the man suspected of pulling the trigger on the gun that killed the Billingses, and six co-defendants are accused of staging a July 9 raid on the couple’s Beulah home.


A first-degree murder conviction carries a mandatory life sentence or the possibility of the death penalty. The State Attorney’s Office will decide in the coming weeks whether it will seek the death penalty for any of the defendants.


The seven men are all due back in court Thursday morning for arraignments.


An eighth suspect not charged in the killings, Pamela Long Wiggins, 47, of Gulf Breeze was initially charged with a third-degree felony count of accessory after the fact. State Attorney Bill Eddins said Tuesday after the grand jury that Long Wiggins’ charge will be amended to a first-degree felony, punishable by up to 30 years in state prison.


Investigators have said that Long Wiggins provided a van to transport the guns used in the homicide and a small safe taken from the Billingses’ home.


Eddins said his office would ask that the court increase Long Wiggins’ bond. She’s remained free on $10,000 bond since her arrest. Long Wiggins also faces an unrelated bigamy charge in Okaloosa County.


The safe removed from the home was found buried in her back yard. It contained little of value. Billings family attorney Robert Beasley said Tuesday that the intended target of the deadly robbery was likely $164,000 kept in another safe inside the Billingses’ home.


Byrd Billings, a used-car salesman who also financed high-interest loans through his Worldco Financial Services, was required to keep a percentage of the money he financed on hand, Beasley said.

(2 of 2)

“Worldco was a lending institution and they were required to keep cash reserves,” he said. “The money is documented and on the books. There was never any IRS investigation.”

Beasley said that the Billingses kept the money in their home because the Worldco office isn’t in the best neighborhood. The couple, who lived with nine adopted special-needs children, had a high-end security system in their sprawling home with cameras in each room with their exception of the couple’s bedroom.

“The office was not a secure place,” Beasley said.

A ninth man was arrested last week in connection with some business deals with Byrd Billings.

Henry “Cab” Tice turned himself in to investigators Thursday after he returned to the country from a trip to Colombia.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan said that Tice admitted to having a debt to the Mexican mafia and a close relationship with the man accused of shooting the Billingses.

To date, Tice has only been charged with grand theft accused of writing more than $17,000 in bad checks to Byrd Billings’ Worldco.

Morgan continues to call him a “person of interest” in the slayings.





Next Page1 | 2Previous


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 07:22:13 PM
Thanks for the welcome!      ::MonkeyWink::
 
The silence in this case is telling.  The national media is silent, the friends and family are silent.  Sure Ashley and family's attorney have spoken, but that has been controlled and limited in scope. Normally, friends and family of those arrested come out to these boards and/or talk to the media stating that the alleged criminal is really a good person.  What is telling in this case is the complete silence from anyone claiming to be close to those arrested, linked or a named POI.  The only things we have heard was from the juvenile's father claiming that his son was more afraid of other people than he was about the police or getting arrested.  I have two theories, either Jr is a hitman for the Mexican Mafia, or he watched too many heist movies and came up with a maniacal plan to rob the Billings and convinced the others to join the plan.  What if the Mexican Mafia claims are empty in order to get the investigators to think that Tice is not the one calling the hit?  If the Mexican Mafia was the one calling the hit, don't you think Tice would rather be in jail than walking the streets?


Exactly what I was thinking about Tice. If he were the one that arranged this and the Mexican Mafia was involved, he would have never made it back from Columbia. I think he made a quick trip down there to reassure them he would protect them and not tell the real story about what was really going on with his dealings. I don't think the buck stops at Tice, and maybe not the Mexican Mafia. They are just on the periphery of what is going on.

I think the connection of what is really going on is right in P'cola. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
PLW will be charged with murder ::MonkeyCheer4:: and might get an increase in bond!


Well, thank God and Jesus!!! When are they going to put her smirking, strutting azz back in jail? I guess she will be there for a while now.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Can everyone say SQUEEZE!! Just like a big fat orange!    ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 07:37:06 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10087

BREAKING NEWS: Grand Jury Indicts Suspects In Billings Murder

August 11, 2009

t took an Escambia County grand jury just four hours Tuesday to indict eight people in the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder case.

The six men and one teenager arrested in connection with the murders were each charged with two counts of first degree murder and one count of home invasion in connection with the July 9 murders and robbery of the Beulah couple.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr., Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Sr., Wayne Thomas Coldiron, Gary Lamont Sumner, Jr., Frederick Lee Thornton, Jr., Rakeem Chavez Florence and Donnie Ray Stallworth will each be arraigned at 9:00 Thursday morning on two counts of first degree murder and one county of home invasion. Judge Joel Boels ordered that all defendants be held without bond in the Escambia County Jail.

Pamela Long-Wiggins was indicted on a charge of first degree accessory after the face, a felony charge that carries a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison. She remains free on bond, but the State Attorney’s office is requesting that her bond be increased.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 07:38:08 PM
PLW will be charged with murder ::MonkeyCheer4:: and might get an increase in bond!


Well, thank God and Jesus!!! When are they going to put her smirking, strutting azz back in jail? I guess she will be there for a while now.  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Can everyone say SQUEEZE!! Just like a big fat orange!    ::MonkeyTongue::


 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 07:43:59 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Monkey-comp.gif)

Welcome kc1234


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 07:45:08 PM
Thank you everyone for the updates today.  I've had a sick doggie & have been distracted.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 11, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Monkey-comp.gif)

Welcome kc1234

Thanks for the Welcome.  I'm surprised that I was finally the first to posting something... you guys fast!

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 07:53:40 PM
Thank you everyone for the updates today.  I've had a sick doggie & have been distracted.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm sorry your doggie is sick. I will pray for him too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I have been a bit distracted myself for the past few days.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 08:23:08 PM
Thank you everyone for the updates today.  I've had a sick doggie & have been distracted.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm sorry your doggie is sick. I will pray for him too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I have been a bit distracted myself for the past few days.  ::MonkeyConfused::

TY Fannie Mae.  Sorry to be off topic.  She has been a little sick since the weekend & we just found out they sprayed the grass around our office (where she goes daily).  Along with her (Ashley) three other doggies that come to that strip of offices (including a groomer's dog) have also become sick.  She goes to the vet tomorrow.  (We thought she had eaten something that disagreed with her).  Thank you so much for your kind thoughts and words.  I know you have been a little quiet recently & am glad to see you posting again.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 11, 2009, 08:25:45 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Monkey-comp.gif)

Welcome kc1234

Thanks for the Welcome.  I'm surprised that I was finally the first to posting something... you guys fast!

 ::MonkeyWink::

You're welcome & we're always glad to have new eyes on this case.  The more the merrier.   ::MonkeyCheer3::  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 11, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
Thank you everyone for the updates today.  I've had a sick doggie & have been distracted.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm sorry your doggie is sick. I will pray for him too.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I have been a bit distracted myself for the past few days.  ::MonkeyConfused::

TY Fannie Mae.  Sorry to be off topic.  She has been a little sick since the weekend & we just found out they sprayed the grass around our office (where she goes daily).  Along with her (Ashley) three other doggies that come to that strip of offices (including a groomer's dog) have also become sick.  She goes to the vet tomorrow.  (We thought she had eaten something that disagreed with her).  Thank you so much for your kind thoughts and words.  I know you have been a little quiet recently & am glad to see you posting again.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I worry about my inside /outdoor cats when they spray the lawn around here. They put up little signs all over the lawn, but cats can't read. I try to keep them inside. Sometimes they pout a lot.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you.  ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 08:47:43 AM
::MonkeyTongue::

I'm not sure who all saw the dateline interview last night but several things "got my attention", one was the fact the Gonz Jr was at his place the day of the murders, the fact Tice called Gonz Jr almost directly at the exact time of the murders, the fact Tice tried to say Gonz Jr was "trying to set him up", and when he said I'm innocent of those charges (ummm, hello Cab you haven't even been charged with anything regarding the murders yet........guilty conscience maybe ::MonkeyRoll:: "

ITA. The fact he was the one on the other end of the phone during that time period just screams to me that he knew what was going on. He may have been the intermediary for the person that really had this done, but he has blood on his hands too. The fact he was on camera with his crocodile tears doesn't move me. He is a crooked, stealing "used car salesman" for God's sakes. Since when can you trust a snake oil salesman? Tice says he didn't know that his loan was from the Mexican Mafia at first. Are you kidding me?? He has been wheeling and dealing across South American lines for a long time. He knew exactly what he was doing.

I still think their was a closer connection to the Billings for the cause of the murder. I have seen nothing that really moves me off of that. As far as more people being arrested, that surprises me not at all. I just hope they go all the way to the top of this thing and bite it off at the jugular vein.

I wonder how Mr Eddins is squirming around in his padded executive chair today? I am sure he did not approve Sheriff Morgan's little cameo last night on Dateline. He sure wasn't singing the same song as Morgan was singing last night. All he would talk about was a "home invasion."

Where is Pamela, and why is that b*tch still walking the streets or sailing on her yatch??? jmo





ITA agree about this going higher up than Tice and being right here in P-Cola miss Fanny! But, I did hear they were going to upgrade her charge to acc after the fact and in the Florida statutes there are several different ways this is applied , one includes knowledge before the fact ::MonkeyConfused:: and it also states that this charge WHEN a capital offense is committed as in this case becomes a first degree felony meaning 30 yrs in the clink for Ms. Pam.......... ::MonkeyGavel::  Although I never saw on any channel that she was going to be charged with murder....yet ::MonkeyTongue::

I also loved watching Eddins squirm, does indeed make me wonder if he is trying to cover for the GOB's IMO and I bet he was ticked when Morgan laid it all out there, seems like he is going to have quite a bit of trouble keeping a muzzle on Morgan and I for one LOVE it!!!!! I wonder if you are thinking about "the same closer connection" that lingers in the back of my mind B?????


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 12, 2009, 08:58:19 AM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7153

The grand jury has indicted Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr., Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Sr., Wayne Thomas Coldiron, Gary Lamont Sumner, Jr., Frederick Lee Thornton, Jr., Rakeem Chavez Florence and Donnie Ray Stallwortheight people in the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder case.

The six men and one teenager are each charged with two counts of first degree murder and one count of home invasion and will be re-arraigned today.

The eighth suspect, Pamela Wiggins, was also indicted on a charge of first degree accessory after the face, a felony charge. It carries a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 12, 2009, 09:00:56 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/MaxineAg.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 12, 2009, 12:00:40 PM
Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 12, 2009, 12:14:14 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7153

The grand jury has indicted Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr., Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Sr., Wayne Thomas Coldiron, Gary Lamont Sumner, Jr., Frederick Lee Thornton, Jr., Rakeem Chavez Florence and Donnie Ray Stallwortheight people in the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder case.

The six men and one teenager are each charged with two counts of first degree murder and one count of home invasion and will be re-arraigned today.

The eighth suspect, Pamela Wiggins, was also indicted on a charge of first degree accessory after the face, a felony charge. It carries a maximum penalty of 30 years in prison.

I still think Pamela should be charged just like the rest of them, first degree murder. She was in on the planning, as it has been stated it was done at her house. Her car was used in the murders, and the contents of the robbery  were in her car when she was in it. The evidence was found hidden at her house. She had as much to do with this as the rest. She just didn't go inside the house.

I think that if anyone is murdered in the commission of robbery or any other crime, they are just as guilty as the rest if they were in on they planning and execution of the crime.. If I am not mistaken, Florida law says that. I know it is that way in Alabama. Pamela is no better than the vermin that dressed themselves in black, and broke into the home.

I still want to know who it was that failed to turn the surveillance system off. That is one of the big reasons I think they were set up. They may not know who they were REALLY working for. There was probably many layers. If it was the Mexican Mafia, they wouldn't care if it was known it was them. They would want to send a message. No, this isn't over, and far from it. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 12, 2009, 12:17:57 PM
Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011

Pamela is still walking around free until MONDAY???? Come on Eddins, you're getting too obvious now!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 12:21:50 PM
Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011

Thanks KC1234..........I'm thrilled her bond is going up ::MonkeyGavel:: and I can't wait to stop having to see her ugly mug on tv at Starbucks etc ::MonkeyDevil2::

I still think it's going to be the same charge but to the the felony degree as the Florida Statutes are written oddly IMO. However I DO hope that in the future she get's smacked with a no bond or 1mm bond and charged with conspiracy to murder etc. The Florida Statute is below and if you notice you can even have PRIOR knowledge and be charges as acc AFTER the fact (sounds like the legislators were drinking when this was written  ::MonkeyJnBox:: )


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0777/SEC03.HTM


 The 2009 Florida Statutes
 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 777
PRINCIPAL; ACCESSORY; ATTEMPT; SOLICITATION; CONSPIRACY View Entire Chapter
 
777.03  Accessory after the fact.--

(1)(a)  Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.

(c)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a capital, life, first degree, or second degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(2)(a)  If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b)  If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)  Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.

History.--s. 6, sub-ch. 11, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2356; GS 3180; RGS 5010; CGL 7112; s. 700, ch. 71-136; s. 65, ch. 74-383; s. 13, ch. 95-184; s. 16, ch. 97-194; s. 15, ch. 99-168; s. 2, ch. 2006-237.

Note.--Former s. 776.03.
 
 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 12:25:59 PM
Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011

Pamela is still walking around free until MONDAY???? Come on Eddins, you're getting too obvious now!!

Hi Miss Fanny  ::MonkeyCool:: To me Eddins has been very obvious even before this point......GOB network once again IMO ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 12, 2009, 12:54:27 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me.   ::MonkeyEek::

I posted the law on another site where the same question came up. Thanks!

Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011

Thanks KC1234..........I'm thrilled her bond is going up ::MonkeyGavel:: and I can't wait to stop having to see her ugly mug on tv at Starbucks etc ::MonkeyDevil2::

I still think it's going to be the same charge but to the the felony degree as the Florida Statutes are written oddly IMO. However I DO hope that in the future she get's smacked with a no bond or 1mm bond and charged with conspiracy to murder etc. The Florida Statute is below and if you notice you can even have PRIOR knowledge and be charges as acc AFTER the fact (sounds like the legislators were drinking when this was written  ::MonkeyJnBox:: )


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0777/SEC03.HTM


 The 2009 Florida Statutes
 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 777
PRINCIPAL; ACCESSORY; ATTEMPT; SOLICITATION; CONSPIRACY View Entire Chapter
 
777.03  Accessory after the fact.--

(1)(a)  Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.

(c)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a capital, life, first degree, or second degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(2)(a)  If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b)  If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)  Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.

History.--s. 6, sub-ch. 11, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2356; GS 3180; RGS 5010; CGL 7112; s. 700, ch. 71-136; s. 65, ch. 74-383; s. 13, ch. 95-184; s. 16, ch. 97-194; s. 15, ch. 99-168; s. 2, ch. 2006-237.

Note.--Former s. 776.03.
 
 



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 01:02:19 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me.   ::MonkeyEek::

I posted the law on another site where the same question came up. Thanks!

Eddins asked for PLW's bond to be increased 500K.  Hearing to be held on Monday.   ::MonkeyCheer2::

The article is a worded in a way this is unclear what her current charge is.

The State Attorney’s Office has filed a motion to increase Pamela Long Wiggins’ bond to $500,000.


The Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique broker was arrested in July in connection with the deadly home invasion at the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Long Wiggins, 47, is scheduled to appear in court in Escambia County at 9 a.m. Monday before Circuit Judge Frank Bell.


Long Wiggins was originally charged with accessory after the fact to a felony. The third-degree felony is punishable by five years in state prison.


She was freed on $10,000 bond after her July 15 arrest.


With the seven men accused in the Billings murders indicted on first-degree murder charges on Tuesday, the State Attorney’s Office amended Long Wiggins’ charge to a first-degree felony which carries a possible 30-year prison sentence upon conviction.


Long Wiggins is accused of providing the suspects with a red minivan that was used to transport guns used in the robbery and homicide. Also transported from the crime scene was a safe belonging to the Billingses.


Investigators found her aboard her yacht “The Classy Lady” at an Orange Beach, Ala. marina.


Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, later told investigators that the safe was buried in the back yard of her Gulf Breeze home. Investigators found the safe buried beneath a pile of bricks.


In addition to the charges related to the Billingses’ murders, Long Wiggins also faces a count of bigamy as investigators have said she is married to men in Florida and Alabama. She also is being investigated for food stamp fraud.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


http://www.pnj.com/article/20090812/NEWS01/90812011

Thanks KC1234..........I'm thrilled her bond is going up ::MonkeyGavel:: and I can't wait to stop having to see her ugly mug on tv at Starbucks etc ::MonkeyDevil2::

I still think it's going to be the same charge but to the the felony degree as the Florida Statutes are written oddly IMO. However I DO hope that in the future she get's smacked with a no bond or 1mm bond and charged with conspiracy to murder etc. The Florida Statute is below and if you notice you can even have PRIOR knowledge and be charges as acc AFTER the fact (sounds like the legislators were drinking when this was written  ::MonkeyJnBox:: )


http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0777/SEC03.HTM


 The 2009 Florida Statutes
 
 Title XLVI
CRIMES Chapter 777
PRINCIPAL; ACCESSORY; ATTEMPT; SOLICITATION; CONSPIRACY View Entire Chapter
 
777.03  Accessory after the fact.--

(1)(a)  Any person not standing in the relation of husband or wife, parent or grandparent, child or grandchild, brother or sister, by consanguinity or affinity to the offender, who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a third degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(b)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed the offense of child abuse, neglect of a child, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child under 18 years of age, or murder of a child under 18 years of age, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact unless the court finds that the person is a victim of domestic violence.

(c)  Any person who maintains or assists the principal or an accessory before the fact, or gives the offender any other aid, knowing that the offender had committed a crime and such crime was a capital, life, first degree, or second degree felony, or had been an accessory thereto before the fact, with the intent that the offender avoids or escapes detection, arrest, trial, or punishment, is an accessory after the fact.

(2)(a)  If the felony offense committed is a capital felony, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(b)  If the felony offense committed is a life felony or a felony of the first degree, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(c)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the second degree or a felony of the third degree ranked in level 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, or 10 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(d)  If the felony offense committed is a felony of the third degree ranked in level 1 or level 2 under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023, the offense of accessory after the fact is a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

(3)  Except as otherwise provided in s. 921.0022, for purposes of sentencing under chapter 921 and determining incentive gain-time eligibility under chapter 944, the offense of accessory after the fact is ranked two levels below the ranking under s. 921.0022 or s. 921.0023 of the felony offense committed.

History.--s. 6, sub-ch. 11, ch. 1637, 1868; RS 2356; GS 3180; RGS 5010; CGL 7112; s. 700, ch. 71-136; s. 65, ch. 74-383; s. 13, ch. 95-184; s. 16, ch. 97-194; s. 15, ch. 99-168; s. 2, ch. 2006-237.

Note.--Former s. 776.03.
 
 


Thanks~although I'm not sure how clear it was as that statute is written about as clear as mud to me ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on August 12, 2009, 01:12:25 PM
Something Cab Tice said struck me as strange, and I can't get it out of my head. Thought about it all night. He said something to the effect that Melanie Billings didn't deserve to be killed and that Byrd Billings didn't deserve to be killed in his home.  In other words, Byrd deserved (in his mind) to be killed, just not in the home.

What if, they intended to kidnap Byrd and kill him somewhere else, after holding him for ransom, or insert any other scenario, in here.

What if something went wrong, what if Byrd tried to take a gun from Gonzalez Jr., or even reconized his voice, and he decided he had to kill them.

What if I just have an overactive imagination? lol ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 01:16:21 PM
Something Cab Tice said struck me as strange, and I can't get it out of my head. Thought about it all night. He said something to the effect that Melanie Billings didn't deserve to be killed and that Byrd Billings didn't deserve to be killed in his home.  In other words, Byrd deserved (in his mind) to be killed, just not in the home.

What if, they intended to kidnap Byrd and kill him somewhere else, after holding him for ransom, or insert any other scenario, in here.

What if something went wrong, what if Byrd tried to take a gun from Gonzalez Jr., or even reconized his voice, and he decided he had to kill them.

What if I just have an overactive imagination? lol ::MonkeySlide::

Fanny~that was one of the odd bit's I caught too.......I wondered if the hgit was supposed to be on Byrd only, but Pat Poff/Gonz who always wanted to be a ninja over orchestrated it and possibly she recogized him , maybe even his voice and was murdered because of a glitch in the plan.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 12, 2009, 01:17:40 PM
Here is the entire raw video from WEAR TV

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/raw_news/videos/vid_137.shtml

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 12, 2009, 01:44:31 PM
Something Cab Tice said struck me as strange, and I can't get it out of my head. Thought about it all night. He said something to the effect that Melanie Billings didn't deserve to be killed and that Byrd Billings didn't deserve to be killed in his home.  In other words, Byrd deserved (in his mind) to be killed, just not in the home.

What if, they intended to kidnap Byrd and kill him somewhere else, after holding him for ransom, or insert any other scenario, in here.

What if something went wrong, what if Byrd tried to take a gun from Gonzalez Jr., or even reconized his voice, and he decided he had to kill them.

What if I just have an overactive imagination? lol ::MonkeySlide::

That really was an odd thing for him to say, wasn't it? He got downright weepy talking about Melanie a few times in his interview. That is what struck me from the beginning, if someone wanted to take Bud out for whatever reason, there was plenty of opportunity to do it while he was out and about, or even, as I have said this before, an assault on him on his long secluded driveway. What reason could it be to break his doors down in the home? And to kill them BOTH in front of the children? He carried a lot of cash around in his briefcase and it seemed to be well known. Something is skewed here as far as I am concerned.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 13, 2009, 12:15:23 PM
Another case that *might* be related to LPG Jr.  Turner has a website that claims he was robbed of his used car business and claims rampant corruption.  You can read more at his website: http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/

“Gonzalez tried to ‘hit’ me,” says Mark Turner, Gulf Breeze resident and former used car dealer.

That’s how our conversation began. I had contacted Turner after someone had sent me a tip about his December 2007 home break-in and his website.

We had a copy of the incident report filed by Santa Rosa County Deputy Stephen Clark. The person described as the suspect didn’t fit that of Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. or anyone associated with the case­–other than the unknown trespasser was a white male. So I was curious how this had anything to do with the Billings case.

“The description in the is not what I told the deputy,” says Turner. “It wasn’t until a few weeks ago that I even saw a copy of the report. I told the deputy the suspect was clean-cut and moved like he was in the military. The officer wrote ‘well-groomed.’”

When asked about the burglar’s height –which is listed at six feet in the report­, Turner admits everything happened so fast that he was only guessing about the height. Gonzalez is listed at 5’6” in his arrest report for the Billings’ murders.

“When they showed on television the mug shot of Patrick Gonzalez, I knew that was who tried to break into our house while we were in it,” says Turner. “I saw his face as he drove away. I’m convinced that he was there to kill me.”

The attempted burglary and possible hit happened late the evening of Dec. 16, 2007. Turner was lying on the bed in his bedroom. He had fallen asleep with the window open, watching television with one of his children.

His wife was awake in another part of house and heard the garage door open. She went outside to see if her son was home. She noticed a plastic chair inside the garage had been moved and when she checked her car, it was unlocked. She always locked her car.

She went back into the house to wake her husband, who grabbed a bottle off his wet bar and headed towards his interior door that opened into the garage.

As he grabbed the door knob, he felt it turning. Turner pulled the door open and shocked the intruder, who yelled “Wrong house” and bolted out of the garage towards a Blue Ford Explorer.

“He was out of the garage in two steps,” says Turner. “My adrenalin was pumping and I chased after him.”

Turner grabbed the door handle on the driver’s side of the Explorer, but wasn’t able to open it. He smashed the bottle on the window trying to break the glass. The Explorer sped off.

“I am now certain that was Patrick Gonzalez,” says Turner. “He did have something in his hand as he was running from the garage. My wife thinks it was a small black box.”

Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases.




http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 13, 2009, 05:38:03 PM
Another case that *might* be related to LPG Jr.  Turner has a website that claims he was robbed of his used car business and claims rampant corruption.  You can read more at his website: http://www.markturnerandfriends.com/

“Gonzalez tried to ‘hit’ me,” says Mark Turner, Gulf Breeze resident and former used car dealer.

That’s how our conversation began. I had contacted Turner after someone had sent me a tip about his December 2007 home break-in and his website.

We had a copy of the incident report filed by Santa Rosa County Deputy Stephen Clark. The person described as the suspect didn’t fit that of Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. or anyone associated with the case­–other than the unknown trespasser was a white male. So I was curious how this had anything to do with the Billings case.

“The description in the is not what I told the deputy,” says Turner. “It wasn’t until a few weeks ago that I even saw a copy of the report. I told the deputy the suspect was clean-cut and moved like he was in the military. The officer wrote ‘well-groomed.’”

When asked about the burglar’s height –which is listed at six feet in the report­, Turner admits everything happened so fast that he was only guessing about the height. Gonzalez is listed at 5’6” in his arrest report for the Billings’ murders.

“When they showed on television the mug shot of Patrick Gonzalez, I knew that was who tried to break into our house while we were in it,” says Turner. “I saw his face as he drove away. I’m convinced that he was there to kill me.”

The attempted burglary and possible hit happened late the evening of Dec. 16, 2007. Turner was lying on the bed in his bedroom. He had fallen asleep with the window open, watching television with one of his children.

His wife was awake in another part of house and heard the garage door open. She went outside to see if her son was home. She noticed a plastic chair inside the garage had been moved and when she checked her car, it was unlocked. She always locked her car.

She went back into the house to wake her husband, who grabbed a bottle off his wet bar and headed towards his interior door that opened into the garage.

As he grabbed the door knob, he felt it turning. Turner pulled the door open and shocked the intruder, who yelled “Wrong house” and bolted out of the garage towards a Blue Ford Explorer.

“He was out of the garage in two steps,” says Turner. “My adrenalin was pumping and I chased after him.”

Turner grabbed the door handle on the driver’s side of the Explorer, but wasn’t able to open it. He smashed the bottle on the window trying to break the glass. The Explorer sped off.

“I am now certain that was Patrick Gonzalez,” says Turner. “He did have something in his hand as he was running from the garage. My wife thinks it was a small black box.”

Turner is involved with a large civil case and is appealing a conviction on money laundering. He believes that the break-in is tied to those cases.




http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7169

Soooo! That is why Pete Moore's name keeps popping up in Ricksblog's posters. I wasn't wrong about the GOB's network. Push! Sheriff Morgan, push!!! But watch your back. The GOB network is alive and well!  And it is not just in the Fla panhandle. Sheriff Sam Cochran, you need to get off your azz. I knew you when you were just a cadet. Let's see how you handle this! Or have you turned too? And Sheriff Huey Mack, what are you going to do? You've been there for a looong time. Are you now a part of the GOB's?? Let's see what you are really made of. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/2gy3waw.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 09:58:58 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090814/NEWS01/908140320

The surviving members of Byrd and Melanie Billings' family are asking the court to block public access to crime scene photos and video surveillance footage from the victims' home.

Ashley Markham, 26, daughter of the Beulah couple shot to death on July 9, wants the State Attorney's Office to be barred from releasing the photos and video to eight defendants and the public, as well as the media.

Under state law, in a process called discovery, the usual procedure is for the state to release documents to be used in prosecutions to the defendants' lawyers so they may prepare their cases. At the same time, the documents become open to the public.

However, Markham's motion argues: "The only media or public interest in the information arises out of morbid exploitation by some members of the public and the sensationalism surrounding the criminal case."

Surveillance cameras "captured the violence that took place in the home, including the murder of the Billings and the (suspects') interaction with the minor children" who were at the home during the invasion, according to one of the allegations in the motion.

Escambia Sheriff David Morgan has refused to say whether the murders were captured on camera. Law enforcement sources have said the killings took place in the couple's bedroom and that no security cameras were installed in the room.

On Thursday, Circuit Judge Michael Jones called a last-minute hearing on the issue. Markham had filed a civil complaint, which was assigned to Jones, and a separate but identical motion, filed with the judges handling the criminal cases.

Jones ended up deferring the decision to the judges assigned to handle the criminal cases.

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker is assigned to five of the cases, and Circuit Judges Frank Bell, Terry Terrell and Paul Rasmussen have one each. State Attorney Bill Eddins said his office is working with the court to consolidate the homicide cases under a single judge.

Jones made his decision after Eddins said he would not release video and photos until a hearing is held in the criminal case, and Markham's attorney, Paul Wilson, said that satisfied him.
(2 of 2)

Eddins said he will release other material in the case, including defendants' statements to law officers, on Monday. He called that material "voluminous."
Advertisement

Discovery items usually include but aren't limited to witness information, statements made by defendants, investigative reports, surveillance footage, audio recordings and crime scene photographs.

Evidentiary rules require the release of the discovery information by Monday, Eddins said. The defendants' attorneys agreed to the delay on the release of the photos and video but said they hope for a speedy hearing on the matter so their clients' trials won't be unduly delayed.

The hearing Thursday brought together for the first time the seven defendants accused of going to the Billings home. At least 10 defense attorneys were in the courtroom.

More than 25 armed Escambia County sheriff's deputies lined the walls of the courtroom. Deputies in civilian clothes sat behind several of the defendants, who sat handcuffed inside the jury box. Spectators were checked for weapons upon entry into the courthouse and, in an unusual step, again directly outside the courtroom.

Ashley Markham and her husband, Blue, sat in the center of the courtroom.

Markham's complaint says that if the videos and other images are released, the good name of the Billingses would be defamed and the slain couple's nine adopted special-needs children would be placed in harm's way. Markham is now the primary caregiver for those children.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 10:07:55 AM
"Markham's complaint says that if the videos and other images are released, the good name of the Billingses would be defamed and the slain couple's nine adopted special-needs children would be placed in harm's way. Markham is now the primary caregiver for those children."


Does anyone know how the realease of the video & other images would defame the Billingses?  Or how that would place the children in harm's way?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 10:15:08 AM
link to photo gallery:

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20090813&Kategori=NEWS03&Lopenr=908130803&Ref=PH


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 10:35:37 AM

Markhams to block release of images

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7172

(Some interesting comments at that link)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 14, 2009, 10:47:55 AM
http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/headlines/53224182.html

Not Guilty Pleas For Men Charged In Florida Couple's Murders     
Posted: 9:28 AM Aug 14, 2009
Last Updated: 9:28 AM Aug 14, 2009
Reporter: CNN

The seven men charged in the deaths last month of a Beulah, Florida, couple known for adopting special-needs children pleaded not guilty Thursday, a court clerk said.

The court set trial dates for late October and November, though those dates may change, the Escambia County court clerk said.

Each man was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and one count of home-invasion robbery in connection with the July 9 killings of Byrd and Melanie Billings, the office of State Attorney Bill Eddins said this week.

The suspects are Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35; Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56; Wayne Thomas Coldiron, 41; Gary Lamont Sumner, 30; Fredrick Lee Thornton, 19; Donald Ray Stallworth, 28; and Rakeem Chavez Florence, 16, who was charged as an adult, authorities said. All seven are being held without bond.

Police have described the younger Gonzalez as the organizer of the crime. Two of the suspects claim he was the lone shooter, according to court documents.

An eighth suspect, Pamela Wiggins, was charged with being an accessory after the fact, though she was not included in the indictment returned by the Escambia County grand jury this week. Police said they found a safe belonging to the Billingses in Wiggins' back yard.

Wiggins was absent from court Thursday and a bond hearing was scheduled for Monday in her case, the court clerk said.

Meanwhile, an attorney representing the Billings family filed an emergency motion asking the court to bar public disclosure of photo and video evidence in the case, including surveillance video from the Billings home at the time of the slayings. The evidence was set to be released on Friday.

Attorney Robert Beasley said Thursday the video depicts the crime, but he wasn't sure if the slayings themselves were on the video. However, both the Billingses and a child are seen in various scenes of the video, and the child witnessed most of the murder, Beasley said.


Court documents have said the Billingses were found in the master bedroom. Beasley said he was not sure if there was a surveillance camera in the bedroom.

Investigators were working with him to bar the release, Beasley said, but decided it would be against the rules without a court order. He said at least one media outlet is opposing the motion. A hearing was under way on the motion late Thursday afternoon, he said.

Relatives of the slain couple this week confirmed previous reports that another safe containing more than $100,000 was in the home at the time of the killings.

The first safe, containing prescription medications, family documents and some jewelry, was taken from the Billingses' home when they were shot, authorities have said. That was the safe found later in Wiggins' yard, according to police.

The Billings family said the second safe contained $164,000 in cash, antique jewelry and assorted legal documents. The money was a reserve for Byrd Billings' financing business, the family said.

Prosecutors believe there were two motives in the killings -- robbery and a contracted hit, a source with knowledge of the investigation told CNN last month. The source said the state attorney's office was working under the belief that most of the suspects in the case were told only that they were robbing the Billingses, but that Leonard Gonzalez Jr. and other yet-unnamed suspects also were plotting a hit on the couple. The source was not sure of the suspected motive behind the hit.

The Billingses, who each had two biological children, also had adopted 13 special-needs children. Police have said nine of the children were at home at the time of the invasion, and one managed to flee and seek help from a neighbor.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 15, 2009, 07:32:14 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/38920713yw2.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 15, 2009, 07:39:47 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Discovery_In_Billings_Murders_To_Begin

Discovery in Billings'
murders to begin
Evidence to be released to public,
defense

Updated: Friday, 14 Aug 2009, 6:14 PM CDT
Published : Friday, 14 Aug 2009, 6:14 PM CDT

PENSACOLA, Fla. - All the evidence that's been building up for the past month in the Billings case is expected to be released Monday. The state will hand over police reports, witness interviews, defendant interviews, and several more pieces of evidence to the defense and to the public. The defense said this information is critical to building their cases.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said he'll be releasing almost all the evidence on Monday. The defense has filed notices of discovery and the state had 15 days to respond. In that packet, will be all the evidence.

"Under Florida law, the defense is entitled to all the police reports, all the statements by witnesses, and all the ballistics and forensics," Eddins said. "Over the next several months, they have the right to question, under oath, every witness that we intend to call to the stand up at trial."

The public find out everything the officials know, from how the Billings were killed, to anything the defendants may have said. The documents also may show any information that would point to it being a hit, or if the Mexican mafia is involved. As the case continues, the state will keep releasing evidence.

"We'll provide a lot of information at this time, but the case is continuing to be developed, items testing haven't been completed," said Eddins.

The only thing that won't be released is video footage of the couple actually being killed. The family's attorney told FOX10 News the surveillance system caught it all on tape. The family has filed a motion asking the court to not release that evidence. A judge will have to decide on that, and a hearing has not been set yet. Eddins said it's a tricky issue.

"What the court will be required to do, is to engage in a balancing test, that balances privacy rights of family and children, against publics right to know. The court will have to make decision to satisfy those competing interests, " said Eddins.

Eddins said the defense will have more than enough to look through, while they wait for a judge rule on that motion.

All seven murder suspects in the case were arraigned Thursday. Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Wayne Coldiron, Donnie Stallworth, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, and Rakeem Florence all plead not guilty to two counts each of first degree murder, and one count each of home invasion robbery. The six men may face the death penalty, while Florence, 16, may face life behind bars.

On Monday, the eighth suspect in the case, Pamela Long Wiggins will be in court. The state has asked for her bond to be increased to $500,000, because her charge was upgraded to accessory after the fact, of a first degree murder. A judge will rule on that Monday morning. Long will also be arraigned immediately after the hearing.

Another person of interest, Henry "Cab" Tice, has been arrested in connection to the case. Tice was a former business partner of Byrd Billings, and allegedly stole thousands from him.

Sheriff David Morgan said Tice was into the Mexican Mafia, and allegedly owed tens of thousands of dollars to them. The sheriff went on to say they don't believe Billings had any ties to the Mexican Mafia. Tice is charged with theft.

While the case is moving forward in the courts, the sheriff's office continues to interview persons of interest. The sheriff hopes to make several more arrests. He said that right now they are in the conspiracy phase, and it's harder to find probable cause when dealing with rumors and innuendo.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 15, 2009, 06:22:14 PM
Wow, I bet this means that LE has the murder weapon.  Talk about the smoking gun...

Source:  http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190

According to Watt’s affidavit:

Co-defendants reported that Pamela Wiggins’ 2005 Chevrolet Venture was left at 9717 Mobile Highway, a predetermined location near the Billings’ home, on the night of the murders to aid in the suspects escape from the home.

The firearms used in the crime and the safe taken from the home were placed inside the van. In his July 15 statement to investigators, Hugh Wiggins told the ECSO that the stolen safe was hidden in Pamela Wiggins’ backyard. The safe was later recovered from the place described by Hugh Wiggins.

Pamela Wiggins told investigators that she placed the murder weapon – a 9mm gun – in the back seat of the 1971 Buick. She told them that one could not find the gun by simply raising the back seat and gave the investigators specfic details how to find the weapon.
Ms. Wiggins drove the car to a mechanic’s house at 6905 W. Jackson Street and parked the car in the driveway. She locked the car and placed a tarp over it. Hug Wiggins also told investigators that the murder weapon was hidden in his care and that his wife had dropped the car off at the mechanic’s house.
The vehicle was seized for forfeiture on July 15, based of Investigator Watt’s belief the car is contraband and used in violation of the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act.

Judge Frank Bell has yet to make a ruling on the forfeiture.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 15, 2009, 06:28:13 PM
I wonder whom the mechanic is and where he works.  I am amazed at the shear volume of people connected to this horrific crime.  I hope they have the murder weapon, it will make the prosecutors job much easier.

Wow, I bet this means that LE has the murder weapon.  Talk about the smoking gun...

Source:  http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7190

According to Watt’s affidavit:

Co-defendants reported that Pamela Wiggins’ 2005 Chevrolet Venture was left at 9717 Mobile Highway, a predetermined location near the Billings’ home, on the night of the murders to aid in the suspects escape from the home.

The firearms used in the crime and the safe taken from the home were placed inside the van. In his July 15 statement to investigators, Hugh Wiggins told the ECSO that the stolen safe was hidden in Pamela Wiggins’ backyard. The safe was later recovered from the place described by Hugh Wiggins.

Pamela Wiggins told investigators that she placed the murder weapon – a 9mm gun – in the back seat of the 1971 Buick. She told them that one could not find the gun by simply raising the back seat and gave the investigators specfic details how to find the weapon.
Ms. Wiggins drove the car to a mechanic’s house at 6905 W. Jackson Street and parked the car in the driveway. She locked the car and placed a tarp over it. Hug Wiggins also told investigators that the murder weapon was hidden in his care and that his wife had dropped the car off at the mechanic’s house.
The vehicle was seized for forfeiture on July 15, based of Investigator Watt’s belief the car is contraband and used in violation of the Florida Contraband Forfeiture Act.

Judge Frank Bell has yet to make a ruling on the forfeiture.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 16, 2009, 02:13:47 PM
I wonder whom the mechanic is and where he works.  I am amazed at the shear volume of people connected to this horrific crime.  I hope they have the murder weapon, it will make the prosecutors job much easier.




That's the same question I have.  Who is this mechanic and how many others are involved.

TY for the article & link.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on August 16, 2009, 08:55:33 PM
Has anyone seen islandmonkey today? That tropical storm is coming her way.
I have a son in Panama City, so have been trying to keep track of it. He is not right on the beach, but I think islandmonkey is. Hope all is well for everyone down there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 17, 2009, 08:36:26 AM
I haven't seen islandmonkey today, but it shouldn't be bad.  Tropical storms (TS) usually are not much of a danger.  It is like a bad thunderstorm that lasts for a few hours. The biggest danger for people who live in the beach is a storm surge which isn't an issue with TS.  Usually the most damage is by falling limbs and tornados, but the tornados are usually inland.  I have family all along Pensacola, Ft Walton, Panama City and inland to Alabama.

Did you see this about Rick's blog?  I got kicked out of WS for citing this guy and now he is being recognized for his ability to get the scoop before everyone else.   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/us/17pensacola.html?_r=2&hpw



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 10:16:22 AM
I just saw IM over on the Haleigh thread so I guess all is well.   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 10:19:38 AM
I haven't seen islandmonkey today, but it shouldn't be bad.  Tropical storms (TS) usually are not much of a danger.  It is like a bad thunderstorm that lasts for a few hours. The biggest danger for people who live in the beach is a storm surge which isn't an issue with TS.  Usually the most damage is by falling limbs and tornados, but the tornados are usually inland.  I have family all along Pensacola, Ft Walton, Panama City and inland to Alabama.

Did you see this about Rick's blog?  I got kicked out of WS for citing this guy and now he is being recognized for his ability to get the scoop before everyone else.   http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/us/17pensacola.html?_r=2&hpw



LOL.  I used to post a little on WS but was always afraid what I could link or not link, so I gave up.   ::MonkeyConfused::


I was just getting ready to read the NYTimes article.  TY for posting it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 10:53:44 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Wiggins_Bond_Increased_To_500000

Wiggins' bond increased
to $500,000
Taken to jail after bond increase

Updated: Monday, 17 Aug 2009, 9:45 AM CDT
Published : Monday, 17 Aug 2009, 9:33 AM CDT

PENSACOLA, Fla. - A judge in Pensacola has ordered that bond be increased to $500,000 for Billings murder case suspect Pamela Long Wiggins.

Wiggins pleaded not guilty and was taken to jail.

Information from the hearing indicates that several people stated that Wiggins was a flight risk, who did not want to go back to jail.

Wiggins is charged as an accessory after the fact to the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

This is just the first chapter in what is expected to be a busy day in the Billings case. Discovery material is expected to be released Monday morning. That means we'll get to see all the evidence collected by the prosecution so far.

 ::MonkeyCheer2::  ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 10:56:48 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/woohoo.gif)

Bring on the docs!!!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 10:58:56 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817008

Circuit Judge Frank Bell ordered Pamela Long Wiggins' bond increased from $10,000 to $500,000.

She was originally arrested and charged with a third-degree felony accessory after the fact charge. The state since increased that charge to a first-degree felony punishable by 30 years in state prison.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 11:15:05 AM
 ::MonkeyBike:: Hi monkeys~I'm here for a bit......thanks for all your concern as I am on the beach, but we didn't even get rain yet ::MonkeyRoll:: It did seem headed this way, but never really made it past DEstin/Ft. Walton area and I never even bothered to close my storm shutters (lazy monkey I know), but I was out early early this morning and the surf was great, everybody had their board enjoying the wild waves as opposed to our normal calm conditions ::MonkeyCheer2::..

I've been unable to keep up with anything on these case until I get my laptop back this week, I'm using one at work so bear with me on the updates and thanks to everyone updating the thread so I can at least read what's going on.

Now, I just need to keep an eye on hurricane Bill-he looks nasty ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 01:59:15 PM
::MonkeyBike:: Hi monkeys~I'm here for a bit......thanks for all your concern as I am on the beach, but we didn't even get rain yet ::MonkeyRoll:: It did seem headed this way, but never really made it past DEstin/Ft. Walton area and I never even bothered to close my storm shutters (lazy monkey I know), but I was out early early this morning and the surf was great, everybody had their board enjoying the wild waves as opposed to our normal calm conditions ::MonkeyCheer2::..

I've been unable to keep up with anything on these case until I get my laptop back this week, I'm using one at work so bear with me on the updates and thanks to everyone updating the thread so I can at least read what's going on.

Now, I just need to keep an eye on hurricane Bill-he looks nasty ::MonkeyDevil2::

Glad to see everything is OK there.  We've missed you.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm worried about Bill coming this way.  I'm in Martin County on Hutchinson Island with the ocean on one side & intracoastal on the other.  But I stay optimistic & hope for the best.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 02:01:19 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10220

Pamela Long Wiggins Back In Jail; Judge Ups Bond To Half Million

August 17, 2009

Pamela Long Wiggins is back in the Escambia County Jail — this time on a half million dollars bond — in connection to the Byrd and Melanie Billings murder case.

Long Wiggins, 47, had been free on $10,000 bond since her arrest on July 15 on charges of first degree accessory after the fact. She was back in court Monday morning where Circuit Judge Frank Bell ordered her bond increased from the $10,000 to $500,000. She was taken back into custody and returned to the Escambia County Jail.

According to case documents, Long Wiggins transported weapons and a safe stolen from the Billings home. The safe was later found buried under a pile of bricks in the backyard of a home that she owns in Gulf Breeze.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 02:13:23 PM
::MonkeyBike:: Hi monkeys~I'm here for a bit......thanks for all your concern as I am on the beach, but we didn't even get rain yet ::MonkeyRoll:: It did seem headed this way, but never really made it past DEstin/Ft. Walton area and I never even bothered to close my storm shutters (lazy monkey I know), but I was out early early this morning and the surf was great, everybody had their board enjoying the wild waves as opposed to our normal calm conditions ::MonkeyCheer2::..

I've been unable to keep up with anything on these case until I get my laptop back this week, I'm using one at work so bear with me on the updates and thanks to everyone updating the thread so I can at least read what's going on.

Now, I just need to keep an eye on hurricane Bill-he looks nasty ::MonkeyDevil2::

Glad to see everything is OK there.  We've missed you.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm worried about Bill coming this way.  I'm in Martin County on Hutchinson Island with the ocean on one side & intracoastal on the other.  But I stay optimistic & hope for the best.

Thanks Cece  ::MonkeyAngel:: Miss you all too amd cam't wait to get the laptop back.  So you are on a barrier Island too it seems, we have the Gulf in front and 3 streets back the Santa Rosa Souns but I am like you and stay optimistic. I just ran back out to the beach and ran up and down in running thru the waves and enjoyed the winds blowing........I know it sounds like a crazy teenager but I love it when we get the fun part of the storm without the storm.

I'm SO praying Pamela can't make her bond ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 03:42:42 PM
IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 04:01:14 PM
IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d

Nothing yet CeCe, I'll watch the local news and see if they have anything regarding the documents. I've been reading the articles today but here more info on news usually.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 04:03:21 PM
Thanks IM.  Appreciate you keeping us updated.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I just emailed PNJ to see if they planned a release to the public.  I'll let you know if I receive a reply.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 04:06:37 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

First doc from Billings case ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 04:08:49 PM
Pamela Long Wiggins is handcuffed this morning after her bond was increased from $10,000 to $500,000

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/wigginshandcuffed.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 04:09:51 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

First doc from Billings case ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Ohhhh,  you are sooooo  goood!!!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 04:20:00 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Gonzalez-report.pdf

First doc from Billings case ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Ohhhh,  you are sooooo  goood!!!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

No Cece~just lucky so far ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 04:20:58 PM
Home About Independent News Outtakes Interviews Top Issues of 2007 Video Walker Holmes     ricksblog.biz
News, Politics, Opinions and Views that make you think
Patrick Gonzalez mentions contract hit, Tice and MS13
August 17 20094 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

The State Attorney released over 1,000 pages related to the murders of Bud and Melanie Billings. In those documents is a report from Chief Deputy Bill Chavers who interviewed Patrick Gonzalez, the suspected killer, on July 12.

Chavers knew Gonzalez as Pat Poff and had taken karate classes with him in the 1980’s.

In the course of the interview, Gonzalez stated “the car dealers just did not like Billings over business dealings and money issues.”

He went on to say, “that Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings ‘whacked’, but he (Pat) refused the job.”

According to Chavers’ report: “When I asked him to name the car dealers again, Patrick responded that he wasn’t at the meeting, but had heard from Cab Tice that a Mr. Mantis, a Jerry Wood (who might be Mantis), a Phillips and a few others. Patrick also stated most of these men had nicknames and he wasn’t sure about their real names.”

Gonzalez also “clearly indicated that there were some MS13 ties to the Billings situation.”

This report matches much of what my sources had told me. Gonzalez doesn’t confess but he mentions a possible contract hit, the involvement of Cab Tice and the Mexican organized crime.

Read Gonzalez report




http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7200


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 05:11:42 PM
Just listening to WEAR 3, and the SA believes Pam Wiggins IS a significant flight risk, two different witnesses testified that she was looking for help to flee the country.

Also, they showed the CD that has some of the 1000 pages of evidence, and it had statements in the 1000 pages that were from the kids in the house ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew Bud or Melanie had been ziptied, but they just stated it was Bud and that he was shot in the back of each leg and then twice in the back of the head.......heartbreaking statements from those children ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 17, 2009, 05:14:13 PM
Documents show details of Fla. couple's deaths
August 17, 2009 16:52 EDT


PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) -- Authorities released hundreds of pages of crime scene reports and witness interviews detailing the deaths of a Panhandle couple known for adopting many special needs children.

According to documents released on Monday, an autopsy after the July 9 deaths showed Melanie Billings, 43, was shot twice in her chest, once in her left nostril, once in her right eye and once in her left temple. Byrd Billings, 66, was shot twice in the back of his head and once in each of his legs.

Nine of the couple's children were home when they were killed. All of the young children have varying special needs from autism to Down syndrome. The documents show that one child used sign language to communicate with investigators about what he witnessed before his parents were shot.


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3355.shtml





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 05:37:21 PM
TY for the updates IM.

Here is my reply from PNJ:

Autopsy items are not public documents. All I can do is say stay tuned and read what we've got.

KW


(Now that's a laughable reply!!!)   ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 05:40:40 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817024

Among the more than 700 pages of documents from the homicide investigation: interviews with witnesses and suspects, crime scene investigation reports, medical examiner’s reports.

Key points from the documents:

-- Byrd Billings struggled against the men who came into his home, grabbing one of them by the neck. He was shot six times: once in the back of each leg, once on the chin, once on the left of his face near the ear and twice in the back of the head. Investigators said he also had a white zip tie on his left arm. His body was found in the master bedroom.

-- Melanie Billings was shot five times: twice in the chest, once in the nose, once in the eye, once in the left temple. Her body was found in a hallway leading out of the master bedroom toward a study near the master suite of the couple’s Beulah home.

-- Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. told investigators that he had been used in the past by several car dealers in Pensacola to “whack” people. Gonzalez said a group of car dealers asked him to “whack” Byrd Billings, but said he refused the job.

-- Jimmy Seaton, 45, of Pensacola told investigators that in mid-June, Gonzalez Jr. contacted him asking if he would participate in a robbery, but he declined. Seaton said Gonzalez asked him to drive the getaway vehicle and Gonzalez “would take care of everything else.” Seaton said he had recently been released from jail after a DUI charge, and knew Gonzalez through the car business.

-- At least two of the Billingses’ disabled children who were in the house during the murders gave statements about the events to investigators. One said he heard a knock on the door, then two “bad men” entered. He said he heard one of them say “You’re gonna die, one two three.”
“Dad grabbed one of the suspect’s necks and mom got shot in her shirt,” he told investigators.

-- A witness at the Worth Marina in Orange Beach, Ala., told investigators that the day Pamela Long Wiggins and her husband Hugh Wiggins were found by police on the “Classy Lady,” they had tried to leave the marina but couldn’t due to engine troubles on the yacht.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 05:46:32 PM
http://www.wlox.com/Global/story.asp?S=10944241

FL officials: Weapons from Pensacola murders found in Moss Point
Posted: Aug 17, 2009 5:36 PM EDT Updated: Aug 17, 2009 5:36 PM EDT

MOSS POINT, MS (WLOX) - Weapons authorities believe were used in the murders of a Pensacola couple ended up in Moss Point after the crime. That information came out Monday when Florida authorities released a list of evidence against the seven people accused in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.   

The couple was killed July 9th in their Pensacola home. The Billings were well known in the area for adopting special needs children.   

Escambia County Sheriff's Department told WLOX News the weapons were surrendered by Moss Point man who had received them sometime after the murders. The weapons collected in Moss Point include a half dozen shotguns and long guns along with ammunition, scopes and other gun accessories.   

Escambia County officials told WLOX News the Moss Point man who had the weapons is not considered a suspect in the murders.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2009, 05:57:26 PM
Just listening to WEAR 3, and the SA believes Pam Wiggins IS a significant flight risk, two different witnesses testified that she was looking for help to flee the country.

Also, they showed the CD that has some of the 1000 pages of evidence, and it had statements in the 1000 pages that were from the kids in the house ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew Bud or Melanie had been ziptied, but they just stated it was Bud and that he was shot in the back of each leg and then twice in the back of the head.......heartbreaking statements from those children ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d

This is just awful for those kids to have witnessed these killings.  This is some "BAD" people who don't fool around.  I am still amazed at the shear number of people involved in this.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 06:26:01 PM
Just listening to WEAR 3, and the SA believes Pam Wiggins IS a significant flight risk, two different witnesses testified that she was looking for help to flee the country.

Also, they showed the CD that has some of the 1000 pages of evidence, and it had statements in the 1000 pages that were from the kids in the house ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew Bud or Melanie had been ziptied, but they just stated it was Bud and that he was shot in the back of each leg and then twice in the back of the head.......heartbreaking statements from those children ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d

This is just awful for those kids to have witnessed these killings.  This is some "BAD" people who don't fool around.  I am still amazed at the shear number of people involved in this.

Hi BlueMoon.  Long time no see & welcome back.

I agree.  This is just terrible for those children.  These are very bad characters & I hope justice is served.

I'm hoping the local media will release some more of the documents.  I guess I am used to the Caylee case where all the media is competing to release what they get.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 06:39:45 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/florida/Evidence_Released_In_Billings_Murders


Evidence released in
Billings' murders

Updated: Monday, 17 Aug 2009, 5:09 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 17 Aug 2009, 5:09 PM CDT

    * Hubert Tate
    * Liz Nelson
    * Photojournalist: Franz Barraza

PENSACOLA, Fla. - The discovery documents in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings reveal more about the incident surrounding the couple's murders. That document is a staggering 700-plus pages long.

Documents show the accused ringleader in the crime, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr., pointed the finger at a gang called MS-13. He also claimed that gang members were upset with Byrd Billings.

New developments also show the victims were shot in the head. Melanie Billings was shot three times, and her husband was shot twice. They were also shot in multiple places on their bodies.

Gonzalez, Jr. also noted that he had been used in the past to quote, "whack folks."

One document says that a cell phone picture of a stolen safe was taken before the crimes and sent by Gonzalez, Jr. to the other defendants.

As FOX10 News reported last week, family members requested that the court not release inside surveillance video of the murder.

"Of course, it gets on the Internet and its permanent out there, and it's just too much for the family to endure," said family attorney Robert Beasley.

The Billings murder case continues to unfold. Eventually, prosecutors say a jury will hear why the two were gunned down in their Beulah home.

As for video of the murders, attorneys say they expect the court to rule on the family's motion by the end of the week.







Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2009, 07:01:19 PM
Just listening to WEAR 3, and the SA believes Pam Wiggins IS a significant flight risk, two different witnesses testified that she was looking for help to flee the country.

Also, they showed the CD that has some of the 1000 pages of evidence, and it had statements in the 1000 pages that were from the kids in the house ::MonkeyWaa:: I knew Bud or Melanie had been ziptied, but they just stated it was Bud and that he was shot in the back of each leg and then twice in the back of the head.......heartbreaking statements from those children ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::

IM, I know you aren't here right now, but have you heard anything from the local coverage on when or if the media will release the documents and autopsy?

I just saw on HLN that, according to the autopsy, Byrd was shot in both legs & the back of the head.  They said Melanie was shot multiple times in the chest & face.


There are some interesting comments at this article, but I would rather see the documents.

http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090817.pnj.DP90817008.article.NEWS01&s=d&s=d

This is just awful for those kids to have witnessed these killings.  This is some "BAD" people who don't fool around.  I am still amazed at the shear number of people involved in this.

Hi BlueMoon.  Long time no see & welcome back.

I agree.  This is just terrible for those children.  These are very bad characters & I hope justice is served.

I'm hoping the local media will release some more of the documents.  I guess I am used to the Caylee case where all the media is competing to release what they get.

Hi cece, couldn't find out anything in Gulf Shores.  No One was talking about it.  The Mobile TV stations always had plenty to report on it.  We did ride out Fort Morgan road and I couldn't find the car lot out that way that was talked about but that doesn't surprise me as most buildings/homes are back in the tress and brush and you can't see it unless you drive into the driveway and come upon it.

I guess I don't understand WHY these two people were targeted and killed.  Just because someone doesn't like someone why would they bring in the mob/gangsters to wack them?  Was there shady dealings going on with that loan company?  Was Byrd part of this scheme or did he unknowingly get involved with the wrong people?  Lots of questions concerning this whole deal. You don't involve that many people in a hit and expect it to come off smoothly with no problems.  The less people the better.  Just appears to me to be more to this.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 17, 2009, 07:21:37 PM


Hi cece, couldn't find out anything in Gulf Shores.  No One was talking about it.  The Mobile TV stations always had plenty to report on it.  We did ride out Fort Morgan road and I couldn't find the car lot out that way that was talked about but that doesn't surprise me as most buildings/homes are back in the tress and brush and you can't see it unless you drive into the driveway and come upon it.

I guess I don't understand WHY these two people were targeted and killed.  Just because someone doesn't like someone why would they bring in the mob/gangsters to wack them?  Was there shady dealings going on with that loan company?  Was Byrd part of this scheme or did he unknowingly get involved with the wrong people?  Lots of questions concerning this whole deal. You don't involve that many people in a hit and expect it to come off smoothly with no problems.  The less people the better.  Just appears to me to be more to this.

TY BlueMoon.  All very good questions that we need the answers to.

I would rather the media release the documents to us (like they did in the Caylee case) rather than pick what they want us to know.  Out of 1000 pages we've only gotten a few comments of bits & pieces.  I guess they have the choice to report only what they want.  I'd rather read it for myself & make my own conclusions than take the media's word for what is in the documents.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2009, 07:33:22 PM


Hi cece, couldn't find out anything in Gulf Shores.  No One was talking about it.  The Mobile TV stations always had plenty to report on it.  We did ride out Fort Morgan road and I couldn't find the car lot out that way that was talked about but that doesn't surprise me as most buildings/homes are back in the tress and brush and you can't see it unless you drive into the driveway and come upon it.

I guess I don't understand WHY these two people were targeted and killed.  Just because someone doesn't like someone why would they bring in the mob/gangsters to wack them?  Was there shady dealings going on with that loan company?  Was Byrd part of this scheme or did he unknowingly get involved with the wrong people?  Lots of questions concerning this whole deal. You don't involve that many people in a hit and expect it to come off smoothly with no problems.  The less people the better.  Just appears to me to be more to this.

TY BlueMoon.  All very good questions that we need the answers to.

I would rather the media release the documents to us (like they did in the Caylee case) rather than pick what they want us to know.  Out of 1000 pages we've only gotten a few comments of bits & pieces.  I guess they have the choice to report only what they want.  I'd rather read it for myself & make my own conclusions than take the media's word for what is in the documents.
 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::

I imagine that most of the evidence is those home monitoring system and the killings are on tape.  Because of that I am sure that that would be held back and not released.  But  I am surprised some tv station hasn't filed something to try to get this info released.  I am like you, I would rather see it myself and decide from there or pick it apart here with others than taking the word of the media.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 17, 2009, 09:18:24 PM
I'm not sure if these are all of the documents in evidence, but here are many docs uploaded to the PNJ website.  I am still sifting throught them, a lot of info, but a lot has been redacted.  http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817024


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2009, 09:46:14 PM
I'm not sure if these are all of the documents in evidence, but here are many docs uploaded to the PNJ website.  I am still sifting throught them, a lot of info, but a lot has been redacted.  http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817024

Thanks.  I have just started reading them.  Didn't know these were out there.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 18, 2009, 09:05:21 AM
I'm not sure if these are all of the documents in evidence, but here are many docs uploaded to the PNJ website.  I am still sifting throught them, a lot of info, but a lot has been redacted.  http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817024

Thanks kc1234~I'm working on reading thru these myself!!! ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 18, 2009, 09:08:23 AM
Home About Independent News Outtakes Interviews Top Issues of 2007 Video Walker Holmes     ricksblog.biz
News, Politics, Opinions and Views that make you think
Reports reveal more on the Billings’ murders
August 18 200913 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

The interviews by the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office with dozens of witnesses give the picture of a horrible, grisly double homicide that defies the motive a simple robbery.

Seven men invaded the Billings’ home and while some may have thought the motive was robbery, the investigators’ reports give a far more brutal picture of the crime.

On early evening of Thursday, July 9, a red van pulled in the front yard of the large home owned by Byrd “Bud “ and Melanie Billings. Friend and neighbor April Spencer had left the residence about 90 minutes before after helping Melanie bathe two of her daughters. Bud Billings was watching TV and Melanie was getting dinner ready in the kitchen as Spencer walked out the door.

Around 7:30 p.m. Adrianna Billings was pounding on the Spencer’s door, yelling, “Come, Mom and Dad are dead.” Leaving the young girl at her home with her daughter, Spencer ran to Billings’ residence to find the laundry room door, which is on the north side of the house, kicked in.

Jake Billings, a 10 year old with Downs Syndrome was standing in the living room pointing to his parents’ bedroom. Jake can’t speak and communicates only through sign language.

Spencer walked into the master bedroom and found Bud lying in front of the dresser, face down in pool of blood. He was dressed in blue shorts with no shirt. Melanie was lying in a hallway that led out of the master bedroom towards a nearby study, face up. Both had been shot multiple times. Spencer grabbed Jake, ran to her house and called 911.

The forensic report revealed that Bud had been shot in the backs of his right and left legs. He had been shot twice in the back of the head with exit wounds to the forehead and above his left eye. Billings was also shot twice in the front of the face on the right and left sides.

Melanie Billings was shot twice in the chest. Her white Elton John shirt was covered with blood. She was also shot three times in the face and head. She had an abrasion to the left side of her nose and bruising near her left eye.

Ballistic evidence showed that the Billings were shot with a 9mm.

Ali Stanley, a specialist in child disability interviews, assisted the investigators in questioning some of the Billings’ children. Jake told her that his dad, Bud, was in the room sleeping when he heard a knock on the door. Jake signed to Stanley that two “bad men” wearing masks that covered their faces said, “You’re gonna die, one, two, three” and then he heard, “No way, no way.”

Jake also told Stanley that his dad grabbed one of the suspects by the neck and “mom got shot in the shirt.” He remembered a name being called out, but he could only sign “BJA” and told Stanley that he could pronounce the name.

When Wayne Coldiron was arrested and questioned about the robbery/murders, he said that on the day of the crime he was with Leonard Gonzalez, Sr. when Patrick Gonzalez drove up in a red-mini van with four black males–Donnie Ray Stallworth, Gary Lamont Sumner, Rakeem Florence and Frederick Lee Thornton Jr.–who were following in a tan or gold Explorer. All were dressed in black–in garb that Sheriff David Morgan would describe at later press conferences as ninja-like.

The red mini-van was driven to location across the Alabama-Florida border. Patrick Gonzalez and Coldiron were dropped off behind a church near the Billings’ home. Gonzalez Sr. drove a red Dodge van to the front of the house with three of the black males inside. Stallworth stayed in the Explorer driving up and down the road.

Patrick Gonzalez and Coldiron ran across the backyard. Gonzalez was armed with a 9mm. Gonzalez and Coldiron enter through the laundry room door. The three black males entered through the front door. Bud Billings was shot immediately in the legs by Gonzalez and dragged into the bedroom where Coldiron says Gonzalez killed both Melanie and Bud.

The robbers grabbed a medium-sized safe and a small briefcase, ran to the Dodge van parked in front of the house and drove off the property. The van entrance and exit from the property, as well as Coldiron and Gonzalez’s running across the backyard, were captured on a camera surveillance system. The photos were released to the media in the days after the crime.

The safe, briefcase and weapons were switched to the red mini-van. The Dodge van was taken to the home of Leonard Gonzalez and was later recovered when neighbors called the police about the vehicle fitting the description of the van in the videos. Gonzalez Sr. was arrested and his interviews led to the arrests of his son, Coldiron and later the other home invaders.

Those arrested linked Pamela Long Wiggins to the crime. Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, told investigators, after being granted limited immunity, that the safe had been hidden under bricks in the backyard of their residence in Gulf Breeze. He said that his wife had told him that a 9mm handgun had been hidden in the backseat of their 1971 Buick Gran Sport Convertible that had been taken to a repair shop and hidden under a tarp. Both the safe and the murder weapon were recovered in the places identified by Wiggins.

When asked about the other weapons used in the crime, Wiggins admitted that he dropped the guns off near Moss Point, Miss. with a friend, Ed Denson. Special agents of the ATF found Denison and recovered 2 Mossberg .12 gauge shotguns, a MAK 90 assault rifle, a Ruger mini-14 and a .223 cal AR variant rifle along with several magazines and ammunition for the various rifles

When Patrick Gonzalez was arrested, Chief Deputy Bill Chavers interviewed him in the Santa Rosa County Jail before he was transported to Escambia County. Chavers knew Gonzalez as Pat Poff – the last name of his stepfather– and had taken karate classes with him in the 1980s.

During the course of the interview, Gonzalez denied any involvement in the Billings’ murders. However, he did tell Chavers that he was involved in something “very deep” and that he and his family was in danger. He said that he had been used in the past by several Pensacola car dealers to “whack folks.”

Then Gonzalez mentioned that the car dealers didn’t like Billings and had met a couple of times to discuss the problem that they were having with Bud Billings. He said that Cab Tice came to him and indicated that the group wanted Billings “whacked,” but he refused the job.

Gonzalez isn’t the only person to mention Tice and his possible involvement with the murders. The Billings’ son-in-law, James Markham, told investigators that Tice owed Billings more than $100,000. The eldest son, Justin Billings, told them that Cab Tice had “double crossed my dad with car business or something.”

Tice told WEAR TV 3 that Patrick Gonzalez’s remarks are those of a desperate man.

Leonard Gonzalez, Patrick Gonzalez, Donnie Ray Stallworth, Gary Lamont Sumner, Rakeem Florence and Frederick Lee Thornton Jr. have all been charged with first-degree murder. Pamela Wiggins has been charged with a first-degree felony of accessory after the fact to first-degree murder.

I spent most of the afternoon and evening pouring through the over 700 pages of reports. I will have more later.

Popularity: 3% [?]

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7204#more-7204


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 18, 2009, 09:15:53 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090817/NEWS01/90817024


Billings details revealed
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • August 17, 2009

  New details about the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings were revealed Monday when the State Attorney’s Office released more than 700 pages of statements, interviews, arrest warrants, crime scene reports and other documents.


 
The investigative documents shed light on the raw brutality of the attack on the couple at their Beulah home just before dusk on July 9.


Several interviews point to Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. as the leader of seven suspects, who have been charged with first-degree murder and home invasion.


The documents also include an interview with Gonzalez Jr. in which he suggests that Billings, a used-car dealer, was having problems with other dealers.


Gonzalez Jr. said one of those dealers, Henry “Cab” Tice, told him the group wanted Billing “whacked,” but he had refused the job. He also made grandiose claims about the involvement of the “Mexican mafia.”


“If this is about the killings, I didn’t do it. I can prove I didn’t do it,” Gonzalez told an investigator. “But I may know some people who may have done this, but it wasn’t me.”


Sheriff David Morgan has called Tice “a person of interest” in the murders. Investigators have questioned Tice several times, and he has not been charged in the slayings.


The documents released Monday reveal:


--Byrd Billings struggled against the five intruders in his home, grabbing one of them by the neck. Two suspects remained outside.


--His body, found in the master bedroom, had six bullet wounds — one in the back of each leg, two in the face and two in the back of the head. A white zip tie was on his left arm.


--Melanie Billings was shot five times — twice in the chest and three times in the face and head. Her body was found in a hallway leading out of the master bedroom.


-- A child — one of the couple’s nine adopted children with special needs — said that “bad men” woke his father and told him “You’re gonna die.” He watched as his mother was “shot in her shirt.”


--While intruders drove away with a small portable safe containing only medicine and family jewelry and papers, a second green gun safe with $164,000 in $100 bills sat undisturbed in a second-floor room.

(2 of 4)



-- Pamela Long Wiggins, charged as an accessory after the fact, and her husband, Hugh Wiggins, who has limited immunity, took several assault-type weapons to an acquaintance in Mississippi. After Hugh Wiggins told officers where the guns were located, the Mississippi man turned them over to federal agents.


--Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., Gonzalez’s Jr.’s father, was recruited by his son late in the planning process as a getaway driver. Gonzalez Sr.’s wife, Carol Brant, told investigators that her husband said the group was robbing a man who had been abusing children. There is no such evidence against Billings.


Fingers pointed


Gonzalez Jr. was identified by several of his co-defendants as the sole shooter, according to the released documents.


Gonzalez Jr., 35, agreed to talk with Bill Chavers, chief deputy of the Escambia County Sheriff’s Office, after he was picked up by deputies. Chavers had learned karate from Gonzalez Jr. in the 1980s.


In that July 12 interview, Gonzalez Jr. suggested that Tice was involved in the shootings.


Gonzalez Jr. told Chavers that he had been used in the past by car dealers in Pensacola to execute people.


He said the dealers “just did not like Billings at all.” That’s when he brought up Tice allegedly approaching him about killing Billings.


While Tice has not been charged in the murders, he has been arrested on a charge of writing bad checks to Billings’ finance company, an arm of the used-car business.


Gonzalez Jr. told Chavers that what he was involved in was “very deep” and that he and his family were in danger.


“Maybe I need to talk to the feds about his,” he said, according to Chavers’ report.


It was Gonzalez Jr. who planted the seed that investigators should look into the powerful and violent organized Mexican crime syndicate known as MS-13 for connections to the Billings homicides.


To date, Morgan has refused to say whether investigators have uncovered any other links between MS-13 and the slayings.


However, Morgan said Tice told investigators he has some $50,000 in debt to the Mexican mafia.

(3 of 4)



Lonnie Smith, who described himself as a longtime friend of Gonzalez Jr. through the used-car business, said he was asked to participate in the robbery but refused.


He said Gonzalez Jr. called him 13 times the day of the murders and claimed there was a couple of million collars in the safe to be robbed.


But Smith, like other Gonzalez Jr. acquaintances who were interviewed, regarded him as a liar and a boaster.


“I don’t know where he gets his information from, I don’t know where he comes up with these crazy ... things that he says he’s going to do,” Smith said. “Well, I got a security job, oh, I’m gonna go be somebody’s bodyguard and we’re gonna ride off on this yacht.”


Smith said that two years before the murder he began having discussions with Gonzalez and Hugh Wiggins, the husband of a Pamela Long Wiggins, who is charged as an accessory in the slayings,


About a year before the slayings, Smith said, he met Gonzalez and Hugh Wiggins on the couple’s 47-foot yacht “The Classy Lady,” parked at a slip off Palafox Pier in Pensacola.


Smith said he overheard Hugh Wiggins tell Gonzalez Jr. that he was a gun-runner.


“‘He said, ‘Man, I can get you anything you want,’” Smith recalled, though he admitted that he was skeptical of Gonzalez Jr. and anyone with whom he might be friends.


“... If you don’t know him, you’ve got to really read between the lines to figure out what’s true and what’s not true...” Smith said


Gonzalez Jr. asked Smith several weeks before the murders to take part in what was described as a “security job.” When he learned that the security job involved a robbery, Smith balked.


“I said, ‘No, dude, I’m not riding with nobody. I ain’t kidnapping nobody. I ain’t driving no damn get-away vehicle. That’s it. That’s the end of it. Don’t ask me again,’” Smith said in his statement.


Smith suggested to the investigators that the six men who went along with Gonzalez Jr. had no idea that the robbery would turn into a deadly double homicide.


“I read between the lines,” he said. “Ya’ll got seven other guys in there and I bet you all three of their stories, or all seven of their stories are somewhat remotely the same.

(4 of 4)



“I don’t think they went there to go do this,” he said referring to a photograph from the crime scene of what one investigator called an execution.


Smith learned from a friend in the used-car business that Tice was interviewed by investigators after the murders. Aware of the close relationship between Gonzalez Jr. and Tice, Smith said he immediately thought his friend might be involved.


“When I heard Cab was being talked to, I knew, I knew in my heart that had something to do with Pat,” Smith said.


Investigators made contact with Tice who said he had a legal dispute with Byrd Billings and that it was no secret that he “hated” him, according to arrest reports.


On the night of the murder, Tice said he was home checking his e-mail, but had problems doing so.


Knowing Gonzalez Jr. was computer literate, he called him between 7 p.m. and 7:30 p.m., about the same time as the murders.


Gonzalez Jr. called Tice back the next day. Tice told Gonzalez Jr. that he had already taken care of his e-mail problem, according to his statement.


Many of the statements of Gonzalez Jr.’s co-defendants are missing from the voluminous paperwork released Monday by the State Attorney’s Office.


The law exempts confessions from public disclosure.




 
 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 18, 2009, 01:02:46 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: I have been reading thru the reports  ::MonkeyConfused:: and looks like Pam Wiggins WAS trying to leave the marina....too f@cking bad her boat had troubles and she couldn't get help to start the batteries ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 01:25:22 PM
::MonkeyJnBox:: I have been reading thru the reports  ::MonkeyConfused:: and looks like Pam Wiggins WAS trying to leave the marina....too f@cking bad her boat had troubles and she couldn't get help to start the batteries ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 01:26:32 PM
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/national/south/interactive_lin_timeline_billings_murders_2776215

Interactive Timeline:
Billings Murders


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 06:53:34 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,540141,00.html?test=latestnews

10-Year-Old Son With Down Syndrome Was Sleeping With Florida Couple During Murders

PENSACOLA, Fla. —  A 10-year-old adopted son with Down syndrome was sleeping with his parents when masked gunmen burst in and shot and killed the Florida couple in their bedroom last month, according to documents released Monday.

The boy was among nine children between the ages of 4 and 11 at the home when Byrd and Melanie Billings were slain July 9. The couple was known for adopting numerous children with special needs

According to a sheriff's report, the child in the bedroom told investigators he heard a knock on the door and that "two bad men" said, "You're going to die, one, two, three" and then, "no way, no way."

The documents say investigators struggled to interview the boy because of a speech impediment and other disabilities. The child witness said his dad grabbed the neck of one of the gunmen and that his mom "got shot in her shirt."

The more than 700 pages of witness and suspect interviews, crime scene reports and autopsy information released by State Attorney Bill Eddins detail a gruesome scene. Six men and a 16-year-old boy charged as an adult face two counts each of first-degree murder. Eddins and Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan have said more arrests are possible.

Pamela Long Wiggins was taken into custody Monday after being arraigned on a charge of accessory to first-degree murder. Prosecutors claim she hid a safe stolen from the Billings' home in her yard. She has pleaded not guilty.

According to autopsy reports, Melanie Billings, 43, was shot twice in her chest, and also in the face and head. Byrd Billings, 66, was shot multiple times in the head and legs.

Investigators asked the boy whether his father called out any names before he was killed, but he could only use sign language to spell out three letters.

A 9-year-old boy asleep in another bedroom told investigators that he heard "seven booms and a scream."

Investigators have said the extensive surveillance system in the family's sprawling west Escambia County home captured the men, some of them in ninja garb, entering and leaving in less than four minutes.

The dozens of witness and suspect interviews reveal a complex investigation involving the suspects and their ties to Byrd Billings, his used car financing business, gangs, drugs and the Mexican underworld.

The safe taken from the family's home contained nothing of value, but a second safe that wasn't stolen had $164,000 in cash. An attorney for the family has said the suspects might have been targeting the second safe.

In his initial interview with investigators, Patrick Gonzalez, 35, the man investigators have described as the ringleader of the home-invasion and killings, suggested a group of car dealers with a grudge against Billings wanted him "whacked."

Gonzalez also told investigators that he and one of Byrd Billings' grown sons, Justin, had worked together as "enforcers" to get payments from people who had gotten behind.

Justin Billings and his friends were extensively interviewed. One friend said the son also believed his parents' deaths were a hired hit. Justin Billings told investigators he knew of gang members who wanted his parents dead.

The most heart-wrenching interview was April Spencer, who helped Melanie Billings care for the children and lived on the property.

Spencer said she spent the afternoon with the family and left after Melanie Billings had bathed two children and fixed dinner for the others.

Around 7:30 p.m., the couple's 11-year-old daughter came to her home and told her "mom and dad are dead."

Spencer ran to the couple's home and could smell gunpowder.

"As I was walking toward the staircase you could see drops of blood," she said.

"Her son ... He's 10 years old and he's got Down syndrome, he was standing in the living room and pointing to um, his mom and dad's room. I went into the bedroom, Byrd Billings, 'Bud' was laying in front of the dresser, face down, it looked like he had had been shot in the head and Melanie was lying in front of the closet face up."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 07:01:08 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/alleged-masterminds-friend-talks-about-billings-murder-plot/271969/Aug-18-2009_4-23-pm/

Threats And Meetings In Billings Murder Plot

4:15 pm
Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan confirms Hugh Wiggins, husband of Pamela Long Wiggins, is a person of interest in the Billings murder.

Pamela Wiggins, who investigators say helped hide a safe stolen during the home invasion and double murder, is charged as an accessory after the crime.

12:15 pmA friend of alleged mastermind Leonard "Pat" Gonzalez, Jr. told investigators he knew his buddy was up to no good.

In an interview with Escambia County sheriff's deputies on July 24, Lonnie Smith, 32, said three weeks before Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot and killed in their Beulah, Florida home he witnessed a meeting between Gonzalez, Jr., Gary Sumner and Hugh Wiggins.

Smith, who said the meeting took place in a condo in Gulf Breeze, told investigators Gonzalez, Jr. asked him to go along on a "security job." Smith denied knowing many details of what he believed was a robbery, but said Gonzalez Jr. told him "this guys got a safe over there," to which he replied "no, dude, I'm not riding with nobody, I ain't kidnapping nobody, I ain't driving no damn get-away vehicle."

Smith said in the weeks leading up to the murders, Gonzalez Jr. repeatedly asked him to get involved, even calling him thirteen times the day the Billings' were killed.

"I was like dude, I don't know what the hell you keep calling me for, you're not gonna get me to, to do this thing," said Smith. When asked how much money Gonzalez Jr. thought was in the safe, he said "a couple million dollars."

In the 97 pages of the interview released Monday by the State Attorney's office, Smith said Gonzalez, Jr. introduced him to a man with a pony tail several times. According to investigators, Smith identified the man in a photo line up as Hugh Wiggins, who is not charged in the case. Wiggins' wife, Pamela, is charged as 'an accessory after the crime' after investigators found a safe stolen from the Billings' home buried in the backyard of her Gulf Breeze home.

Smith says after the meeting at the condo, Hugh Wiggins threatened him saying "if I got wind that you said anything, you know me....you'd go on a vacation you'd never come back from."

During the interview with investigators, Smith also mentioned a man named Henry "Cab" Tice, who has been named a person of interest in the case. Smith told investigators he has never met Tice, but said Gonzalez, Jr. and Tice "run when it comes to doing dirt." He said he has heard stories of Gonzalez Jr., and Tice going to Costa Rica "and getting escorted out with AK-47's."

Smith reluctantly discussed Tice with investigators saying on July 23, the day before the interviewed, he was warned about testifying against Tice. Smith says a friend, Chris Jones, told him "even if he does get locked up, you'd probably have to look over your shoulder for a while." Smith told investigators many men in the Pensacola car business believe Tice killed someone in Alabama ten years ago, though according to court records, he was never charged in Alabama with murder.

Byrd and Melanie Billings, who were well known in the Florida panhandle for adopting special needs children, were killed July 9. Melanie Billings was shot five times, including three times to her head and face. Byrd Billings was shot six times, including twice in the back of his head.

Nine of the children were in the house during the home invasion, and at least one of the couple's children witnessed the murders. The child, who is autistic, said his dad was asleep in the bedroom when two men knocked on the door. He said his dad then went into the hallway and the men screamed at him saying "you're going to die." He also described a struggle saying "dad grabbed the back of one of the guy's necks."

Leonard "Pat" Gonzalez Jr., 35, Leonard Gonzalez Sr., 56, Gary Sumner, 30, Wayne Coldiron, 41, Florence Rakeem, 16, Fredrick Thornton, 19 and Donnie Ray Stallworth, Jr., 28 are charged with two counts of capital murder and one count of home invasion robbery.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 07:05:25 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090818/NEWS01/908180327/1006/NEWS01

Boater tells of locating Long Wiggins

Court documents released Monday shed light on the events leading to the questioning of Pamela Long Wiggins in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Timothy Dale Powell has his boat in a slip at the Wharf Marina in Orange Beach, Ala. Long Wiggins' yacht, "The Classy Lady," was moored next to Powell's at a slip registered to Patrick Gonzalez. Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. has been accused of killing the Billingses during the July 9 home invasion.

Powell said that early July 15, his wife received a voicemail from Long Wiggins that said, "We really want to go out today."

That same day, the Escambia County Sheriff's Office announced that Long Wiggins was a "person of interest" in the double homicide in Beulah.

The Powells recognized her from the news.

Powell said he tried to call the Escambia County Sheriff's Office but couldn't get through, so he called Orange Beach police, who took his information.

He hung up on the police as Long Wiggins and her husband approached on the dock. Powell ran inside the boat and tried to call the police. But before he could dial his phone rang.

He could see Hugh Wiggins standing behind the boat looking in and trying to see him.

He noticed the call was from an 850 area code and assumed the Escambia County Sheriff's Office was trying to get through.

He answered. It was Hugh Wiggins.

Powell came out of the boat, and they hung up their phones. Powell said he nervously walked up to Hugh Wiggins, who also appeared "nervous and very cautious looking down at the docks," Powell said in his statement.

Hugh Wiggins wanted Powell to come on the boat and help him get it started, but Powell said he couldn't because he had to go to lunch.

"I was trying to buy time to get back to you guys," Powell said, referring the Escambia County Sheriff's Office.

Powell walked away as the Orange Beach Police Department arrived and detained the couple. Long Wiggins eventually was charged as an accessory after the fact to the double homicide.

Hugh Wiggins has not been charged in the ongoing investigation.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 07:19:15 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/statements-evidence-released-in-billings-murder-case/269920/Aug-17-2009_8-14-pm/

In another statement released in the documents, investigators interviewed Justin Billings, Byrd and Melanie Billings' 20 year old son. The day after his parents were killed, Justin Billings told investigators he believed his parents' murders were contract killings, and he pointed his finger at a gang from Colorado.

"One of my friends from Colorado. He has, he has a rat that's part of a gang," Justin told investigators. "He said there was a hit in Florida that fit the description that I gave him."

The mother of Justin Billings' ex-girlfriend told detectives the 20 year old told her he paid someone $3,000 to protect her daughter, which Justin denied.

"I didn't pay anyone," he said.

"Then why would you say something like that," the detective asked. "To give her closure," Justin replied.

During the interview, investigators clearly became frustrated at one point saying "Bulls*** Justin. Justin, that's not gonna fly."

Justin Billings told investigators he believed the one person who would want his dad dead was Cab Tice. Tice, who Justin described as a former business partner who sold cars with his dad "down to Mexico", was arrested August 6 and charged with stealing thousands of dollars from one of Byrd Billings' businesses. Tice was named a person of interest, but he has not been charged in the murders.

Seven men, including Gonzalez, Jr., are charged with the Billings' murders. All seven are in jail with no bond. An eighth suspect, Pamela Long Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime. Monday Wiggins was re-arrested after a judge raised her bond to $500,000.

News Five is reading every page of the discovery documents released Monday, and we will continue to report the latest details.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 18, 2009, 07:27:27 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Murder_Evidence_Turns_Up_In_Miss

MOSS POINT, Miss. (AP) - Evidence tied to the Billings murder case turned up at a home in Moss Point, Mississippi.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement records show guns were taken from a home on Frederick Street. Law enforcement said it's the home of Eddie Ray Denson.

"This is my mother's home," said Denson when we caught up to him coming out of the home.

FOX10 asked Denson about the guns allegedly found at the residence. Denson said someone he worked with gave them to him.

We also asked him who he worked with. "Hugh Wiggins, Pamela's husband. I didn't even know they are married though," added Denson.

Denson went on to say he was surprised to learn the link to the guns and the Billings murder.

"I am willing to work with authorities anyway I can," said Denson from the driveway of his mother's home in Moss Point.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/gunsevidencefound.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 10:41:09 AM
CBS morning show:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5251520n


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 10:49:25 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090819/NEWS01/908190336/1037

Donnie Stallworth Jr. stands out in this group of con men, ex-cons and other troubled individuals.

He's a staff sergeant in the U.S. Air Force, stationed at Hurlburt Field. He's married, close to his family, a guy who returned often to his hometown of Brewton, Ala., after graduating from T.R. Miller High School in 1999.

So why is he in jail, one of seven men charged with first-degree murder in the killings of Byrd and Melanie Billings?

We get clues from statements that friends and relatives made to investigators looking into the July 9 killings.

"He said he did something really bad and that he needed to be a man and own up to his actions," said his wife, Tasha Marie Horn Stallworth.

She said her husband inexplicably became withdrawn after returning home late on the night of July 9. Then he began weeping July 12 when he saw a television report about suspects in the Billings' case.

"His face changed and I was like, wow, this is really affecting him," she said.

Eventually, she realized her husband had been involved.

"I fell to my knees and I went crazy and I beat the (expletive) out of him and I told him you turn yourself in right now," she recalled.

His parents were called to get him. They brought him to Brewton, where he surrendered.

There, his mother, Brenda Stallworth, told officers, "All he (is) doing is crying" but he wouldn't say what he had done.
Another side

Marquita Scruggs, however, reported another side of Donnie Stallworth Jr.

Scruggs, who is stationed at Hurlburt and described herself as Stallworth's friend, said he told her a few days ahead of time that he would be involved in a robbery.

He asked her to leave the back door of her house open so he could put a safe inside and promised to give her a few hundred dollars for helping him.

"I'm a single parent," she said. "I always need money for anything."

At one point, he told her he was involved in a robbery which netted $300,000; his share would be $70,000.

His tune changed later. He told her "he was scared and unable to sleep."

Saying goodbye
Before Donnie Stallworth went to jail, he said goodbye to his children.

"He said daddy did something bad and don't ever make bad decisions when you grow up..." Tasha Stallworth said in a tape-recorded statement. "And my 7-year-old went ... to the car with him holding hands and said, 'Daddy, please don't leave.' "


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 10:53:16 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090819/NEWS01/908190347/1006

As the prosecution in the Billings murder case releases more information, details about the relationship between the alleged ringleader in the crime and the slain family remain unclear.

Court documents released this week show at least one past business connection between Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., the alleged "mastermind" of the crime, and Byrd Billings, but details of other suggested connections remain foggy.

According to interviews conducted during the investigation:

n Gonzalez Jr.'s wife, Tabatha Gonzalez, said Billings once donated $5,000 to Gonzalez Jr.'s nonprofit organization, Project Fight Back. She said they later asked Billings for a business loan to support their floundering martial-arts studio in Pace, but Billings declined.

"He said right in the business plan that he didn't think it was a good investment," she said in an interview with homicide investigators.

Tabatha Gonzalez said she had never been to the Billingses' house, and their relationship remained professional.

n According to several sources, at the time of the killings, Gonzalez Jr. was good friends with Henry "Cab" Tice, whom he knew through the used-car business. Tice told investigators he was a former business associate of Byrd Billings. About a year and a half ago, Tice and Billings had a falling out over unpaid debts that Tice owed Billings' finance company, Worldco Financial Services.

Other statements about Billings' past connections to Gonzalez Jr. are frequently conflicting and less certain.

n Gonzalez Jr. told investigators that he and Justin Billings, Byrd Billings' adopted son, once worked together at a car lot and had "done jobs together" for dealers who had problems getting payment from customers.

It is unclear from court records whether Justin Billings and Gonzalez Jr. ever worked together.

n Tice told investigators that the money Byrd Billings gave to Gonzalez Jr. for Project Fight Back was a loan, not a gift, and Billings had tried without luck to collect the debt from Gonzalez Jr.

"Bud Billings wouldn't give you a dime unless he got 29 cents back ... he never paid Bud back that money was not a gift," Tice said.
(2 of 2)

n Gonzalez Jr. told investigators that Tice came to him before the killings and said a group of local car dealers wanted Byrd Billings "whacked" due to past business dealings. Gonzalez Jr. told investigators he declined to participate in a murder.
Advertisement

During the course of the investigation, many people told investigators that Gonzalez Jr. made references to the Billings family in the days leading up to the crime.

Among the comments:

n Gonzalez Jr. approached several people asking if they would participate in some type of "job" to get a safe.

n One of the people asked to participate, Lonnie Smith, said Gonzalez Jr. had attempted to rob the Billingses about a month before the murders, but fled when security lights activated as he approached the house in a vehicle with two accomplices.

"He said he already went to go try to do it one time and he drove down the driveway and ... when he started going down the driveway, he said the lights on the house lit up like a Christmas tree, I guess because of the security system ... and he said he threw it in reverse and took off," Smith said.

n Another person Gonzalez Jr. allegedly asked for help was Jimmy Seaton, 45, of Pensacola, who had recently been released from jail on DUI charges. Seaton said he knew Gonzalez Jr. through the car business and was approached by him near the end of June.

"He was talking about, 'Did I know anybody that I was in jail with that would be willing to help him out with a project.' And I was like, 'Not really,' " Seaton said.

"A few days later he approached me again about the fact that he had found somebody that had like 2 kilos of coke and that if I would get involved with driving them to these people's house, he would take care of everything else."

He said the only two problems are they got dogs and they got video cameras," Seaton said.

n Gonzalez Jr's stepmother, Carol Brant, said that for about two months leading up to the murders, Gonzalez Jr. had been planning a robbery. Brant said she overheard conversations where Gonzalez Jr. discussed doing a "job" on a house off of Mobile Highway. Gonzalez Jr. said the house contained a safe with $2 million and a "bunch of cocaine."

n Brant said that late in the planning process, Gonzalez Jr. recruited her husband, Leonard Gonzalez Sr., to participate in the robbery. She said that the morning after the murders, she saw her husband looking at the news and he said: "I think they got shot."



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 11:02:48 AM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/fla.-couples-slaying-a-contract-hit/273823/Aug-19-2009_9-54-am/

(snipped)

On "The Early Show" Wednesday, Escambia County, Fla. Sheriff David Morgan said, "We never at any time discounted ... the possibility ... that this could have, in fact, been a conspiracy and it could have also been a contract killing.

" ... One of the most bizarre things about this case is there seems to be no conclusion to it, because of the number of people that are, in fact, involved. Every day, we end up with two or three additional people we need to interview. That's the conspiracy part of this case. ... The level of proof to get probable cause to effect an arrest for conspiracy is much, much higher. That's why this case has slowed to this point.

"We're still working on that area of the investigation. We're identifying the numbers of people who actually had knowledge that the Billings' home was going to be invaded, if you will. There are several people who may not have known it would eventually result in a murder, but we know that the web of people who had knowledge of this is very large."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 19, 2009, 04:55:57 PM
Ok,  I've read the documents that were released.  Wow, losts of info, many angles and many more people.  So, I think I need to go back and review them again to make sure I didn't miss anything.  Here are some of my initial thoughts:
1.  I think the son, Justin, was involved because but he knew LPG Jr and Tice, he was hiding information from the police and appeared to be evasive. When the nurse came to the house she noticed that the dogs were nowhere to be found and that they were not barking.  Also, one of his GF's mothers stated that her daughter was living with Justin in a trailer and that her daughter was on the property at the time of the crime.  Justin helped the police get the videos, what if he set it up so he wasn't on camera when he disposed of the dogs?  Justin claimed to the GF’s mother that he paid for her safety.
2. I think Hugh Wiggins had a higher role than PLW.  Hugh was at all of the meetings and Pam sat out on at least one of them.  Hugh got rid of the weapons, he allegedly ran weapons, had a friend willing to watch his guns and the friend gets a hotel room in his name, drives them to a hotel and leaves their car in a convenience store parking lot.  I'm not saying PLW is innocent, but I think Hugh is the bigger culprit among those two.  I hope they were able to get Hugh to admit who hired the hit, otherwise, I hope his immunity doesn't cover the planning of the robbery/hit.
3. Tice is lying too much.  He has to be involved somehow.  I think the Mexican Mafia is just a red herring created by Tice to get the heat off of him.  Even if he owed the Mafia $1500, that has nothing to do with how this robbery/murder when down.  I think Tice's mention of Homeland Security was also a red herring in an attempt to divert attention.
4. Who is the mystery man Mr Manatat (sp?)? 
5. I think there was money in the stolen safe.  I don't think it will ever be proven because a) the crooks won't admit what they stole because it will make them more culpable for the murder charge, b) the victims family won't admit because it would tarnish the family business and more questions will be raised on how Bud got the money and why he kept in his house instead of a bank.
6. Tice and JPG Jr owed Bud money.  That sounds like motive to me.  Maybe the hit came from higher up, but Tice and JPG Jr have a significant motive.
Whew, my brain needs a rest after this!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 19, 2009, 05:01:08 PM
ESCAMBIA COUNTY - We're learning more about why multiple agencies from both inside the country and out are looking into the Billings murder case.

One of the statements Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Junior made to an investigator early on suggested he had been hired to kill people in the past.

Tuesday... Sheriff David Morgan confirmed that other agencies are looking for possible connections between Gonzalez Junior and other death investigations.

Dan Thomas/Reporter: "Is he the subject of any other death investigations that you know of?" Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "We have received some inquiries from some other law enforcement agencies in the United States and outside the United States as it applies to this gentleman and we're providing that information to other law enforcement agencies."

Morgan also said that law enforcement agencies from central and south Florida are asking about the case... Because they too had home invasions where the suspects dressed like ninjas.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3394.shtml





kc1234~
Like you I read all the discovery and my eyes are crossing and my brain is fried ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 07:02:01 PM
Ok,  I've read the documents that were released.  Wow, losts of info, many angles and many more people.  So, I think I need to go back and review them again to make sure I didn't miss anything.  Here are some of my initial thoughts:
1.  I think the son, Justin, was involved because but he knew LPG Jr and Tice, he was hiding information from the police and appeared to be evasive. When the nurse came to the house she noticed that the dogs were nowhere to be found and that they were not barking.  Also, one of his GF's mothers stated that her daughter was living with Justin in a trailer and that her daughter was on the property at the time of the crime.  Justin helped the police get the videos, what if he set it up so he wasn't on camera when he disposed of the dogs?  Justin claimed to the GF’s mother that he paid for her safety.
2. I think Hugh Wiggins had a higher role than PLW.  Hugh was at all of the meetings and Pam sat out on at least one of them.  Hugh got rid of the weapons, he allegedly ran weapons, had a friend willing to watch his guns and the friend gets a hotel room in his name, drives them to a hotel and leaves their car in a convenience store parking lot.  I'm not saying PLW is innocent, but I think Hugh is the bigger culprit among those two.  I hope they were able to get Hugh to admit who hired the hit, otherwise, I hope his immunity doesn't cover the planning of the robbery/hit.
3. Tice is lying too much.  He has to be involved somehow.  I think the Mexican Mafia is just a red herring created by Tice to get the heat off of him.  Even if he owed the Mafia $1500, that has nothing to do with how this robbery/murder when down.  I think Tice's mention of Homeland Security was also a red herring in an attempt to divert attention.
4. Who is the mystery man Mr Manatat (sp?)? 
5. I think there was money in the stolen safe.  I don't think it will ever be proven because a) the crooks won't admit what they stole because it will make them more culpable for the murder charge, b) the victims family won't admit because it would tarnish the family business and more questions will be raised on how Bud got the money and why he kept in his house instead of a bank.
6. Tice and JPG Jr owed Bud money.  That sounds like motive to me.  Maybe the hit came from higher up, but Tice and JPG Jr have a significant motive.
Whew, my brain needs a rest after this!

Great work kc!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

I haven't read but a little of the documents yet.  I'm saving them for the weekend when I have more time.  But you have given me a lot of info!

Was Justin the son that Byrd sued for child support?  I wonder if he was the one (if he is involved) that was to turn off the security system.  Maybe?

Hugh Wiggins has "limited" immunity, I think.  So they may be able to bring charges against him if they have other evidence (other than his statement) implicating him.  I'm not sure how that works.

I don't have a clue who Mr. Manatat is.  But I hope we find out.

Thank you for the great work! 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 07:06:49 PM
ESCAMBIA COUNTY - We're learning more about why multiple agencies from both inside the country and out are looking into the Billings murder case.

One of the statements Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Junior made to an investigator early on suggested he had been hired to kill people in the past.

Tuesday... Sheriff David Morgan confirmed that other agencies are looking for possible connections between Gonzalez Junior and other death investigations.

Dan Thomas/Reporter: "Is he the subject of any other death investigations that you know of?" Sheriff David Morgan/Escambia County: "We have received some inquiries from some other law enforcement agencies in the United States and outside the United States as it applies to this gentleman and we're providing that information to other law enforcement agencies."

Morgan also said that law enforcement agencies from central and south Florida are asking about the case... Because they too had home invasions where the suspects dressed like ninjas.

http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3394.shtml





kc1234~
Like you I read all the discovery and my eyes are crossing and my brain is fried ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you IM.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 07:08:34 PM
http://www.theledger.com/article/20090818/NEWS/908185048/1373/NEWS3650?Title=Two-Murder-Theory-Has-Pensacola-Buzzing

Two-Murder Theory Has Pensacola Buzzing
Local blogger publicly explores "underbelly" of N. Fla. community.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 07:13:04 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/florida/Gun_Trail_Leads_Deputies_To_Moss_Point

snipped:

Investigators say Hugh Wiggins has been a person of interest in the Billings murder case since day one.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 19, 2009, 07:18:00 PM
It is time for me to log off.  I hope any missing Monkey friends will return to help us sort through all this. 

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/00000.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 19, 2009, 09:33:10 PM

I think Justin and Hugh Wiggins are more involved than we know.

Found this interesting from Ricksblog.

 JLV says:
August 19, 2009 at 4:23 pm
i have to say, the more i read ………..
jogged the memory on an event that happened a few years back. my husband was threatened by the son of a used car dealer in ft. walton, “remember the mobile commissioner they found under that house? i can see you get put there too!”
is this EVEN bigger than big everyone thinks?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 19, 2009, 09:34:32 PM
Ok,  I've read the documents that were released.  Wow, losts of info, many angles and many more people.  So, I think I need to go back and review them again to make sure I didn't miss anything.  Here are some of my initial thoughts:
1.  I think the son, Justin, was involved because but he knew LPG Jr and Tice, he was hiding information from the police and appeared to be evasive. When the nurse came to the house she noticed that the dogs were nowhere to be found and that they were not barking.  Also, one of his GF's mothers stated that her daughter was living with Justin in a trailer and that her daughter was on the property at the time of the crime.  Justin helped the police get the videos, what if he set it up so he wasn't on camera when he disposed of the dogs?  Justin claimed to the GF’s mother that he paid for her safety.
2. I think Hugh Wiggins had a higher role than PLW.  Hugh was at all of the meetings and Pam sat out on at least one of them.  Hugh got rid of the weapons, he allegedly ran weapons, had a friend willing to watch his guns and the friend gets a hotel room in his name, drives them to a hotel and leaves their car in a convenience store parking lot.  I'm not saying PLW is innocent, but I think Hugh is the bigger culprit among those two.  I hope they were able to get Hugh to admit who hired the hit, otherwise, I hope his immunity doesn't cover the planning of the robbery/hit.
3. Tice is lying too much.  He has to be involved somehow.  I think the Mexican Mafia is just a red herring created by Tice to get the heat off of him.  Even if he owed the Mafia $1500, that has nothing to do with how this robbery/murder when down.  I think Tice's mention of Homeland Security was also a red herring in an attempt to divert attention.
4. Who is the mystery man Mr Manatat (sp?)? 
5. I think there was money in the stolen safe.  I don't think it will ever be proven because a) the crooks won't admit what they stole because it will make them more culpable for the murder charge, b) the victims family won't admit because it would tarnish the family business and more questions will be raised on how Bud got the money and why he kept in his house instead of a bank.
6. Tice and JPG Jr owed Bud money.  That sounds like motive to me.  Maybe the hit came from higher up, but Tice and JPG Jr have a significant motive.
Whew, my brain needs a rest after this!

Great work kc!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

I haven't read but a little of the documents yet.  I'm saving them for the weekend when I have more time.  But you have given me a lot of info!

Was Justin the son that Byrd sued for child support?  I wonder if he was the one (if he is involved) that was to turn off the security system.  Maybe?

Hugh Wiggins has "limited" immunity, I think.  So they may be able to bring charges against him if they have other evidence (other than his statement) implicating him.  I'm not sure how that works.

I don't have a clue who Mr. Manatat is.  But I hope we find out.

Thank you for the great work! 

I am pretty certain that Justin is the one from the adoption fraud case.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 19, 2009, 10:52:36 PM
WEARTV thinks Justin is hiding something, too!  http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3400.shtml


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on August 20, 2009, 07:50:34 AM
WEARTV thinks Justin is hiding something, too!  http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3400.shtml

Thank you for posting that link kc1234.  Very interesting.  This case just seems to get uglier and uglier the more that is revealed.  It's like peeling an onion, layer by layer.  I wonder just how many people really were involved in the murder of the Billing's, or had knowledge of at least some of the details and/or planning?  It appears there were a lot of people with at least some knowledge or idea something was going to go down, but it was kept quiet for a while.  How was that done?  Fear?  Money?  Hatred?  All or none of these, I don't know. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on August 20, 2009, 09:05:44 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/20474633/detail.html
Hearing Slated In Slain Fla. Couple Case
Kin Trying To Stop Video Release

POSTED: 7:53 am EDT August 20, 2009
UPDATED: 8:33 am EDT August 20, 2009
PENSACOLA, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled for a request by the family of a murdered Panhandle couple to stop the release of surveillance camera video from the couple's home to the media.

The hearing is scheduled for Thursday afternoon.

Byrd and Melanie Billings were killed July 9 in a home invasion at their sprawling Escambia County estate while nine of their special needs adopted children were in the home. An extensive camera system captured some images of the crime.

An attorney for the family has said he is concerned about images of the young children and the bloody crime scene being made public.

So far, six men, a 16-year-old boy and a woman have been arrested in the complex case.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 20, 2009, 09:22:37 AM
Ok,  I've read the documents that were released.  Wow, losts of info, many angles and many more people.  So, I think I need to go back and review them again to make sure I didn't miss anything.  Here are some of my initial thoughts:
1.  I think the son, Justin, was involved because but he knew LPG Jr and Tice, he was hiding information from the police and appeared to be evasive. When the nurse came to the house she noticed that the dogs were nowhere to be found and that they were not barking.  Also, one of his GF's mothers stated that her daughter was living with Justin in a trailer and that her daughter was on the property at the time of the crime.  Justin helped the police get the videos, what if he set it up so he wasn't on camera when he disposed of the dogs?  Justin claimed to the GF’s mother that he paid for her safety.
2. I think Hugh Wiggins had a higher role than PLW.  Hugh was at all of the meetings and Pam sat out on at least one of them.  Hugh got rid of the weapons, he allegedly ran weapons, had a friend willing to watch his guns and the friend gets a hotel room in his name, drives them to a hotel and leaves their car in a convenience store parking lot.  I'm not saying PLW is innocent, but I think Hugh is the bigger culprit among those two.  I hope they were able to get Hugh to admit who hired the hit, otherwise, I hope his immunity doesn't cover the planning of the robbery/hit.
3. Tice is lying too much.  He has to be involved somehow.  I think the Mexican Mafia is just a red herring created by Tice to get the heat off of him.  Even if he owed the Mafia $1500, that has nothing to do with how this robbery/murder when down.  I think Tice's mention of Homeland Security was also a red herring in an attempt to divert attention.
4. Who is the mystery man Mr Manatat (sp?)? 
5. I think there was money in the stolen safe.  I don't think it will ever be proven because a) the crooks won't admit what they stole because it will make them more culpable for the murder charge, b) the victims family won't admit because it would tarnish the family business and more questions will be raised on how Bud got the money and why he kept in his house instead of a bank.
6. Tice and JPG Jr owed Bud money.  That sounds like motive to me.  Maybe the hit came from higher up, but Tice and JPG Jr have a significant motive.
Whew, my brain needs a rest after this!

Great work kc!   ::MonkeyCheer4::

I haven't read but a little of the documents yet.  I'm saving them for the weekend when I have more time.  But you have given me a lot of info!

Was Justin the son that Byrd sued for child support?   I wonder if he was the one (if he is involved) that was to turn off the security system.  Maybe?

Hugh Wiggins has "limited" immunity, I think.  So they may be able to bring charges against him if they have other evidence (other than his statement) implicating him.  I'm not sure how that works.

I don't have a clue who Mr. Manatat is.  But I hope we find out.

Thank you for the great work! 

Morning~Justin is NOT the son sued for child support, he's the child that was the "adoption fraud" adoopted child. IIRc, Michael is the one who was sued for child support and he lives in SE Florida. I do however wonder if he had some knowledge before and with this case absolutely nothing would surprise me anymore.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 20, 2009, 09:33:43 AM


Morning~Justin is NOT the son sued for child support, he's the child that was the "adoption fraud" adoopted child. IIRc, Michael is the one who was sued for child support and he lives in SE Florida. I do however wonder if he had some knowledge before and with this case absolutely nothing would surprise me anymore.

Thank you IM.  I am getting confused with all the "players" in this one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you all for the updates & links.  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/56865677goodmorning.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 20, 2009, 09:36:47 AM


Morning~Justin is NOT the son sued for child support, he's the child that was the "adoption fraud" adoopted child. IIRc, Michael is the one who was sued for child support and he lives in SE Florida. I do however wonder if he had some knowledge before and with this case absolutely nothing would surprise me anymore.

Thank you IM.  I am getting confused with all the "players" in this one.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you all for the updates & links.  ::MonkeyAngel::

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/56865677goodmorning.gif)

I know what you mean, too many to keep track of easily ::MonkeyDevil2:: Thank you for all your links too!!! ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 20, 2009, 11:21:46 AM
Another Robbery Recruit Speaks Out  Source: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7247

Anthony Joseph Elsa of Gulf Breeze told investigators that Patrick Gonzalez had tried to recruit for the home invasion two and a half months ago.

According to the investigator’s report, Elsa said that he did travel with Gonzalez to Fort Walton Beach two weeks before the murder. Telephone records show that Elsa and Gary Sumner had started talking to each over the phone on June 24. Gonzalez met with Sumner and several black males inside 5th Dimensions while Elsa stayed outside.

On July 10 -day after the Billings’ murders – Elsa said that Gonzalez called to tell him that his van had been stolen and whoever took it murdered two people. After Gonzalez was first questioned by the ECSO, he went to Elsa’ house, but Elsa refused to let him in.

Other investigative notes:

1. Elsa described Gonzalez as extremely addicted to prescription meds.
2. Also described Pam Wiggins and Gonzalez as close friends and Wiggins “was continuously loaning him money.”
3. Elsa admitted to being a former member of the INSANE POPES, a Southside Chicago street gang consisting of mainly Greeks. Their main rivals are the Latin Kings. The INSANE POPES are a racial hate group, they oppose both Hispanics and blacks.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2009, 02:22:18 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::
Ok, here's what I think. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think  CabTice was reporting the illegal aliens to the govt and also giving info to the IRS.
The Latinos knew that somebody was dropping dimes and Tice suggested it
was Billings who was doing the telling.

The Latinos hired Gonzales to do the hit on Byrd Billings knowing he (Gonzales)
 was a nitwit who always needed money.  They had no idea that he would turn
the simple hit into a three ring circus by making it a robbery as well as a hit.

That is why Tice said that Byrd didn't deserve to die in his own home and was so
sad about Melanie. I think there was more in the safe than Ashley is willing to tell.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 05:54:52 PM
::MonkeyJnBox::
Ok, here's what I think. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think  CabTice was reporting the illegal aliens to the govt and also giving info to the IRS.
The Latinos knew that somebody was dropping dimes and Tice suggested it
was Billings who was doing the telling.

The Latinos hired Gonzales to do the hit on Byrd Billings knowing he (Gonzales)
 was a nitwit who always needed money.  They had no idea that he would turn
the simple hit into a three ring circus by making it a robbery as well as a hit.

That is why Tice said that Byrd didn't deserve to die in his own home and was so
sad about Melanie. I think there was more in the safe than Ashley is willing to tell.

Could be Mags.  But WHY involve sooooooooo many people in this?  I think it is interesting that Justin (adopted son) says that there was $2million in that safe.  I am a little suspicious about that information.  Was he the one who failed to disconnect the surveillance system?  It had to be someone very familiar with that property to know these things. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 20, 2009, 08:16:09 PM
::MonkeyJnBox::
Ok, here's what I think. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think  CabTice was reporting the illegal aliens to the govt and also giving info to the IRS.
The Latinos knew that somebody was dropping dimes and Tice suggested it
was Billings who was doing the telling.

The Latinos hired Gonzales to do the hit on Byrd Billings knowing he (Gonzales)
 was a nitwit who always needed money.  They had no idea that he would turn
the simple hit into a three ring circus by making it a robbery as well as a hit.

That is why Tice said that Byrd didn't deserve to die in his own home and was so
sad about Melanie. I think there was more in the safe than Ashley is willing to tell.

Could be Mags.  But WHY involve sooooooooo many people in this?  I think it is interesting that Justin (adopted son) says that there was $2million in that safe.  I am a little suspicious about that information.  Was he the one who failed to disconnect the surveillance system?  It had to be someone very familiar with that property to know these things. JMO

Now this is just what I think, which is pure speculation, but I think the adopted son hated
Byrd Billings.  He has stolen him away from not just one mother, but two....his birth mother and the former wife.
I think there probably was big money in the safe and nobody but Gonzales expected there
to be a killing.  If whomever was suppose to turn off the security had done their job, they would likely have gotten away with the crime.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 08:58:13 PM
::MonkeyJnBox::
Ok, here's what I think. ::MonkeyLaugh::

I think  CabTice was reporting the illegal aliens to the govt and also giving info to the IRS.
The Latinos knew that somebody was dropping dimes and Tice suggested it
was Billings who was doing the telling.

The Latinos hired Gonzales to do the hit on Byrd Billings knowing he (Gonzales)
 was a nitwit who always needed money.  They had no idea that he would turn
the simple hit into a three ring circus by making it a robbery as well as a hit.

That is why Tice said that Byrd didn't deserve to die in his own home and was so
sad about Melanie. I think there was more in the safe than Ashley is willing to tell.

Could be Mags.  But WHY involve sooooooooo many people in this?  I think it is interesting that Justin (adopted son) says that there was $2million in that safe.  I am a little suspicious about that information.  Was he the one who failed to disconnect the surveillance system?  It had to be someone very familiar with that property to know these things. JMO

Now this is just what I think, which is pure speculation, but I think the adopted son hated
Byrd Billings.  He has stolen him away from not just one mother, but two....his birth mother and the former wife.
I think there probably was big money in the safe and nobody but Gonzales expected there
to be a killing.  If whomever was suppose to turn off the security had done their job, they would likely have gotten away with the crime.

Oh I do agree with you on that.  So many people involved yet I don't believe any of them figured it was anything more than a robbery or maybe a kidnapping.  Maybe a kidnapping is what should have happened and then all this would not have happened in that house whereas Tice's statement "Byrd didn't deserve to die in his home" makes sense.  Stupids were suppose to kidnap him and then have Byrd's wife get the money from the safe and pay them off.  Once paid off Byrd would have been killed anyway but his wife would have been spared.  JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 21, 2009, 01:06:07 PM
If you go to Sunbiz.org and type in the name Mantis, you will find that Mantis Funding Corporation = Jerry Wood.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 03:57:42 PM
If you go to Sunbiz.org and type in the name Mantis, you will find that Mantis Funding Corporation = Jerry Wood.

Thank you FM.  Glad to see you back posting!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 04:02:01 PM
His mom: 'Write off' Gonzalez Jr.                      Edit:  Correct title, per cece.
Friday, August 21, 2009 2:41:13 PM

Guys like Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. always remind me of a line from "The Maltese Falcon," an old Sam Spade detective story: "The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter."

Guys like Gonzalez strut around, full of talk, gestures and grandeur, only to tumble eventually.

Gonzalez has a right to plead not guilty and claim that he's being "railroaded," as he told officers who arrested him for the slayings of Melanie and Byrd Billings in their Beulah home.

When he has his day in court, Gonzalez could face the maximum penalty: Execution.

That may be a fair penalty, since he's the alleged mastermind behind the robbery and murder of the couple, who took care of other people's disabled children and raised them as their own.
Bizarre backgrounds

"Mastermind" seems a bit of a stretch, however. This group's functioning would be almost comical except for the horribly tragic results.

The getaway vehicle — a tired 1982 van with a 1989 grille — was hardly something that would blend into traffic unnoticed.

Gonzalez was so indiscreet that he all but took out newspaper ads to recruit people for the assault on the Billings' home as he talked of cocaine, revenge and millions of dollars, various people told investigators tracking down the suspects.

What a group: One was only 16 years old and already a father; another ran an auto shop and got involved after talking to Gonzalez about painting a Bentley automobile Gonzalez was driving.

He even signed up his own father, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., 56, who reportedly has alcohol and physical problems.

Guess who was the first person arrested. Guess whose cooperation helped the investigators. Dear ol' dad.
'Bad seed'

But that's in the past. Now Junior must focus on the trial, which could shape up as seven co-defendants against him.

Young Gonzalez may have trouble finding character witnesses. Many folks were leery of him. Some feared him because he was skilled at martial arts; some just didn't like him.

"I knew he was a bad seed," Jimmy Seaton said.

"He always acts like a thug ... mafia type and wannabe," Dan Blocker said.

When Gonzalez speaks, "You've really got to read between the lines to figure out what's true and what's not true," said Lonnie D. Smith.

The women in his life were unhappy with him, too, and deservedly so. His mother urged his wife to "write him off."

"His mom just said I should write him off," Tabatha Gonzalez said a week after her husband was arrested. "That's pretty bad when your own mom is saying that about you."

Read more on Mark's blog, pnj.com/markobrien.

Edit: Add link per cece:  http://www.pnj.com/article/20090821/NEWS01/908210334


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 04:07:32 PM
Oops, I don't know how that headline got into that quote!

Here is the link:

http://www.pnj.com/article/20090821/NEWS01/908210334

Edit:  Both fixed MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 04:10:00 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Suspect_Planned_To_Store_Safe_At_Home

(snipped)

Stallworth's attorney, David White, says he has his thoughts about the discovery records released by the state. He notes that his client is standing by his not guilty plea.

"The discovery is in its infancy. We just received the first of the documents we had expected to receive on Monday, and some more are due to be delivered today, and I am sure there will be a great volume of documents delivered to us very soon," said White.

White also says he hopes each defendant will be tried separately.

"We'll address at the appropriate time, but I do expect for us to be asking that we have separate trials."

The Billings' family attorney announced a few weeks ago that the stolen safe only contained family heirlooms.

However, a second safe inside the home that was not tampered with contained $164,000.

Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Wayne Coldiorn, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, and Stallworth's trial is expected to begin November 9. Rakeem Florence's trial is expected to begin October 21. All seven are facing two counts each of first degree murder, and one count each of home invasion robbery.

Pamela Long Wiggins was arrested and charged with being an accessory after the fact, first degree. Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, is a person of interest in the case.

Henry "Cab" Tice is also a person of interest in the case. He used to be a business partner of Byrd Billings. He allegedly stole thousands from Billings.

"He was into the Mexican Mafia, his words not ours, for loans between $20,000 to $50,000. He was in the process of repaying them because of bad decisions he'd made through the car business, and again in association with Mr. Billings," said Sheriff David Morgan.

However, the sheriff doesn't believe the Billings were involved in the Mexican Mafia.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 04:13:23 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/billings-murder-crime-spree-connection/277882/Aug-21-2009_9-21-am/

Two men charged in the calculated murders of a Florida panhandle couple may also be tied to a rash of unsolved home invasions and another murder.

According to newly released documents in the Billings murder investigation, Donnie Stallworth, 28, and Gary Sumner, 30, "have possibly been involved in other criminal activity." The document, a request from investigators in the Florida state attorney's office to the U.S. Air Force to obtain Stallworth's military record, says the Air Force Staff Sergeant and Sumner may specifically be linked to robberies in the Fort Walton Beach area dating back to 2005.

Investigators say the home invasion robberies appeared to target drug dealers who kept large amounts of cash. Many of the robberies went unreported, but witnesses describe the suspects as at least two black men wearing dark clothes and ski masks.

The document also discusses a murder on September 12, 2005. Luis Magana-Gonzalex, a Mexican national, was shot to death inside his apartment on Monahan Drive in Fort Walton Beach. Before he died, the document says he identified two black males as his killers.

Investigators found a Taurus 9mm handgun dropped by one of the killers and discovered DNA and partial fingerprints, but no suspects were identified through analysis.

A spokesperson for the Okaloosa County sheriff's office confirmed the cases are still open, but investigators would not discuss new leads.

Stallworth, Sumner and five other men are charged with killing Byrd and Melanie Billings July 9th during a home invasion in their Beulah, Florida home.

All seven suspects are in jail.

An eighth suspect, Pamela Long-Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime. She is in jail on a $500,000 bond.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan says detectives expect to make more arrests in the Billings murder. Pamela Wiggins' husband, Hugh Wiggins, was identified this week as a person of interest.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 21, 2009, 04:17:08 PM
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1917773,00.html


The Pensacola Adoptive Couple's Murder: Was It Robbery or a Hit?
By Tim Padgett Friday, Aug. 21, 2009


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 21, 2009, 05:02:52 PM
Several things stuck out at me in the Doc dump this week.

Justin Billings and Lonnie Smith BOTH mentioned to amount of money in the safe was TWO MILLION dollars.

Justin knew right away that it was a hit, and that his life was in danger.

Justin was familiar with the security system and knew exactly how to operate it.

Blue Markham turn the investigators to Cab Tice as he said the red van was in the inventory that was turned over to his auto dealership. He remembered it to be a 15 passenger van and was quite emphatic about it. However, the owner before Gozalez, jr, had owned the van for 20 years. Why did Blue try to shine the light on Tice when it was proven that the van did not belong to Tice?

Why did we not see the whole interview with Lonnie Smith?

The vehicles that were said to be stolen and taken to Mexico, were titled in Alabama. I know that the proceedure in the title process in Alabama is that the clerk handling the title has to go out and look physically at the vin# on the vehicle dash. So that tells me the cars were physically in Alabama, unless something is very, very wrong. Therefore, I do not think the cars were shipped from Florida. I think they were shipped from Alabama, possible in shipping containers. Mobile has two container cranes, and as far as I know, Pensacola uses the ship's gear, and is a very time consuming process, especially if there are many containers. IMO

If Tice was doing this, and he was collecting money for the cars being shipped, why did he owe the Mexican Cartel anything? Unless, when  the shipping containers came back to the US, they were empty and still belonged to the person that rented them. Those kind of shipments are called "air" and belong to the person that rented them until the person turns them in to the owner. The containers are not checked coming back if they are empty. What might be on the empty container, and why did Cab Tice owe the cartel that much money?

Hugh Wiggins is up to his teeth in this whole thing, much more that Pamela. She seems to be taking the fall for him, although her hands are far from clean.  I agree with one of the witnesses that said she appeared to be doped up. Everytime I have seen her on video or in pictures she seems to be floating, in a trance, a daze with a silly smirk on her face.


Who owns the silver BMW convertible? And has anyone come up with the name "Manatat?? "


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 05:59:46 PM
Several things stuck out at me in the Doc dump this week.

Justin Billings and Lonnie Smith BOTH mentioned to amount of money in the safe was TWO MILLION dollars.

Justin knew right away that it was a hit, and that his life was in danger.

Justin was familiar with the security system and knew exactly how to operate it.

Blue Markham turn the investigators to Cab Tice as he said the red van was in the inventory that was turned over to his auto dealership. He remembered it to be a 15 passenger van and was quite emphatic about it. However, the owner before Gozalez, jr, had owned the van for 20 years. Why did Blue try to shine the light on Tice when it was proven that the van did not belong to Tice?

Why did we not see the whole interview with Lonnie Smith?

The vehicles that were said to be stolen and taken to Mexico, were titled in Alabama. I know that the proceedure in the title process in Alabama is that the clerk handling the title has to go out and look physically at the vin# on the vehicle dash. So that tells me the cars were physically in Alabama, unless something is very, very wrong. Therefore, I do not think the cars were shipped from Florida. I think they were shipped from Alabama, possible in shipping containers. Mobile has two container cranes, and as far as I know, Pensacola uses the ship's gear, and is a very time consuming process, especially if there are many containers. IMO

If Tice was doing this, and he was collecting money for the cars being shipped, why did he owe the Mexican Cartel anything? Unless, when  the shipping containers came back to the US, they were empty and still belonged to the person that rented them. Those kind of shipments are called "air" and belong to the person that rented them until the person turns them in to the owner. The containers are not checked coming back if they are empty. What might be on the empty container, and why did Cab Tice owe the cartel that much money?

Hugh Wiggins is up to his teeth in this whole thing, much more that Pamela. She seems to be taking the fall for him, although her hands are far from clean.  I agree with one of the witnesses that said she appeared to be doped up. Everytime I have seen her on video or in pictures she seems to be floating, in a trance, a daze with a silly smirk on her face.


Who owns the silver BMW convertible? And has anyone come up with the name "Manatat?? "


I agree on the points I high lighted.  Justin appears to have been involved in this also ( to me anyway).  It all goes back to that safe with the money.  Two million dollars appears to be what they were after and if so then Justin HAD to be involved in this. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 21, 2009, 06:14:49 PM
Several things stuck out at me in the Doc dump this week.

Justin Billings and Lonnie Smith BOTH mentioned to amount of money in the safe was TWO MILLION dollars.

Justin knew right away that it was a hit, and that his life was in danger.

Justin was familiar with the security system and knew exactly how to operate it.

Blue Markham turn the investigators to Cab Tice as he said the red van was in the inventory that was turned over to his auto dealership. He remembered it to be a 15 passenger van and was quite emphatic about it. However, the owner before Gozalez, jr, had owned the van for 20 years. Why did Blue try to shine the light on Tice when it was proven that the van did not belong to Tice?

Why did we not see the whole interview with Lonnie Smith?

The vehicles that were said to be stolen and taken to Mexico, were titled in Alabama. I know that the proceedure in the title process in Alabama is that the clerk handling the title has to go out and look physically at the vin# on the vehicle dash. So that tells me the cars were physically in Alabama, unless something is very, very wrong. Therefore, I do not think the cars were shipped from Florida. I think they were shipped from Alabama, possible in shipping containers. Mobile has two container cranes, and as far as I know, Pensacola uses the ship's gear, and is a very time consuming process, especially if there are many containers. IMO

If Tice was doing this, and he was collecting money for the cars being shipped, why did he owe the Mexican Cartel anything? Unless, when  the shipping containers came back to the US, they were empty and still belonged to the person that rented them. Those kind of shipments are called "air" and belong to the person that rented them until the person turns them in to the owner. The containers are not checked coming back if they are empty. What might be on the empty container, and why did Cab Tice owe the cartel that much money?

Hugh Wiggins is up to his teeth in this whole thing, much more that Pamela. She seems to be taking the fall for him, although her hands are far from clean.  I agree with one of the witnesses that said she appeared to be doped up. Everytime I have seen her on video or in pictures she seems to be floating, in a trance, a daze with a silly smirk on her face.


Who owns the silver BMW convertible? And has anyone come up with the name "Manatat?? "


I agree on the points I high lighted.  Justin appears to have been involved in this also ( to me anyway).  It all goes back to that safe with the money.  Two million dollars appears to be what they were after and if so then Justin HAD to be involved in this. 

I am not entirely sure that Justin was the only Billings that knew about the security system. The security system was located where the larger safe was in another room than the bedroom. He would have know that, so why did they miss that safe and the security system? I am sure that a novice could have disabled the system if only they had know exactly where it was located. Why didn't they know? Why didn't they check and make sure it was "remotely" shut off? Who fell down on the job? Or did Bud Billings change the ability for someone to shut off the system remotely by changing the code to do so? Did he have an idea that someone was not loyal??


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:02:54 PM
Happy Saturday everyone & TY for sharing the great info!

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/Saturday-1.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:04:58 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541583,00.html

Judge: Media Can Watch Video From Night of Florida Couple's Murder

Friday, August 21, 2009

PENSACOLA, Fla. —  A judge has ruled that the media can watch and describe video taken from the home of a Florida couple the night they were killed in a home break-in. But they cannot air or distribute the video.

Circuit Judge Nicholas Geeker agreed to a compromise Friday between an attorney representing the media and an attorney for the family of the slain couple, Byrd and Melanie Billings.

(snipped)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:07:54 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090822/NEWS01/908220338

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker ruled Friday that the public and the media can see — but not copy, publish or air — crime-scene photographs and surveillance video from the home of murder victims Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Ashley Markham, the Billingses' daughter and the guardian of the couple's nine adopted children, had filed a motion to prevent the release of the photos, taken by law enforcement, and the video, recorded on her parents' private surveillance system.

Her motion, part of the criminal case against seven people charged with first-degree murder in the July 9 slayings, expressed concern about the survivors' privacy.

Markham's attorney, Robert Beasley, and the attorney representing the News Journal and the Associated Press, Dennis Larry, reached a compromise to allow viewing but not copying of the photos. Geeker sided with the media's request to set up the same system for the video.

The State Attorney's Office, which will maintain control of the photos and video, said the materials probably will be available on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:11:26 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/crime_solutions/article/billings-murder-crime-scene-photos-public/280616/Aug-21-2009_5-35-pm/

Eight suspects, their attorneys and dozens of law enforcement officers packed three rows inside a Pensacola courtroom.

The last time all eight suspects were together was the night investigators say seven of the men killed Byrd and Melanie Billings while the eighth suspect, the only woman charged in the case, waited at a nearby antique mall to help hide the evidence.

Friday's court hearing addressed whether surveillance photos and crime scene pictures should be made public.

"The only bone of contention was whether the public and the media have the right to view the video surveillance," said Dennis Larry, who represents the Associated Press and Pensacola News Journal.

Larry argued the images are public record, while family members, including the Billings' daughter, feared their release would bring more pain.

"Having to relive it everyday would be more traumatic to us," said Ashley Markham. "Just the visual aspect of it, having to see it replayed.

The judge decided to make the the photos available for the public and media to see, but not copy or publish. The pictures will be kept in the Florida State Attorney's office in Pensacola, a compromise both sides agreed was fair.

"We are very pleased with the order that the court has ruled," said Markham. "We believe that it will help us move forward that they did look into the interest of our privacy."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:13:11 PM
(http://media.wkrg.com/images/sized/media/news6/08-21-2009_taloney-300x200.jpg)

(photo from above article)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:17:26 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Judge_Video_Of_Murders_Can_Be_Viewed

PENSACOLA, Fla. - All eight defendants in the Billings murders were in court Friday, to hear the ruling on evidence in the case. The Billings' family was trying to stop the release of surveillance video, which showed children's faces and the gruesome murders.

The judge ruled the images will be available for the media and public to view. However, he ruled that no one can make copies of those images to print, broadcast, or publish on the internet.

Melanie Billings' daughter, Ashley Markham, believes some privacy must be maintained.

"I believe it's a fair compromise. I believe it's in the best interests of our privacy, and also the media's interest for public knowledge," said Markham. "I feel like we have been through enough already. and having to relive it every day would be more traumatic to us."

The attorney representing media, including the Associated Press, is pleased with the court order.

"The compromise sort of prevents overuse, visual overuse of the images, but it lets people see it and report on it, in writing at least," said attorney Dennis Larry.

Since the beginning of the case, the only surveillance images released to the public were those of the suspects crossing the Billings' lawn. However, interior surveillance pictures reportedly show how the Billings were killed.

The state attorney's office says the video will first be viewed by each defense attorney by Monday evening. Then the media and members of the general public can view it, beginning Tuesday.

Also, the order also allows for crime scene photos to be viewed within the same guidelines.


(snipped)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:47:26 PM
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3462.shtml

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/BILLINGS/WIGGINSINCOURT.jpg)

(video at link posted above)

ESCAMBIA COUNTY - You'll likely never see what happened inside the Billings' home the night of their murders

Today an Escambia County judge limited access to the video taken by an elaborate security system the family had in their home.

Channel Three's Dan Thomas has the new developments.

"Officer Boles ... Yes ma'am ... Are you ready for the family? Give us just a minute."

The deputies outnumbered the suspects nearly three to one. It was a careful balancing act between defense attorneys, prosecutors, a newspaper lawyer and the Billings family.

"If everybody in here would check their cell phones and PDAs and make sure they don't go off ... phone rings."

It seemed nearly every suspect struggled at times to keep their head held up. The once smiling Pamela Long Wiggins now sat expressionless as it appeared the reality of the situation had finally sunk in.

"Court come to order, all rise."

At issue: Whether the public could see video taken at the home, the very moments Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death.

You've probably already seen some of it. The cameras outside captured this red van and that video eventually led to eight arrests.

Cameras were inside as well. According to witness statements, they show Byrd Billings being shot in the legs before being taken into his bedroom where there were no cameras. It's believed that's where they were both shot several more times.

The family said seeing the video on the news and worse yet on the internet, where it would be played over and over forever, would simply be too much.

Ashley Markham/Byrd and Melanie's Daughter: "We feel like we've been through enough right now like we're having to relive it everyday I feel like would be more traumatic to us. And just the visual aspect, having to see it you know, replayed."

But in Florida, the judge must take into account the public's right to know balancing that with the family's privacy and the right of the defense to see the evidence.

He came up with this: The public can view the video in a controled environment at the courthouse. Only the suspect's attorneys can make copies.

Ashley Markham/Byrd and Melanie's Daughter: "I believe that it's a fair compromise. I believe it's in our best interest for our privacy and also the media's interest for public knowledge."

That video will be made public at the courthouse on Tuesday.

In making that ruling, the judge used a precedent set in Gainsville, Fla in the case of Danny Rolling.

He pleaded guilty to killing five University Of Florida Students.

In that case, the court allowed the public to view crime scene photos and videos but not make copies.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 22, 2009, 01:48:57 PM
Thank you, CECE for your updates and the welcome.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I am very interested if Hugh Wiggins is being allowed to go to his ofshore job. And with all the evidence of him being ringmaster in the planning and supplying the guns, and providing a place for the planning meetings and was present when they happened, why has he not been charged? He also knew where the safe was hidden. Seems to me there is at least three other people besides him that needs to have the handcuff treatment, and pronto.

The brief case was found away from the house also, and it was empty.
What was in it? I don't believe the gang would have bothered to take an empty briefcase away from the house. And how would the Beasley attorney know exactly what was in the smaller safe? How would Ashley Markham know for certain? Bud and Melanie Billings were the only ones that would really know, and they are both dead.

I also find it very odd that Gonzales, Sr wanted a private meeting with SA Bill Eddins when he was arrested and got it. Things that make you go hummm..........


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 22, 2009, 01:53:32 PM
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3462.shtml

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/BILLINGS/WIGGINSINCOURT.jpg)



Looks like the drugs may have worn off with this last stint in jail. Reality is a Bi*ch, isn't it Pamela?  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 22, 2009, 01:58:08 PM
Thank you, CECE for your updates and the welcome.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I am very interested if Hugh Wiggins is being allowed to go to his ofshore job. And with all the evidence of him being ringmaster in the planning and supplying the guns, and providing a place for the planning meetings and was present when they happened, why has he not been charged? He also knew where the safe was hidden. Seems to me there is at least three other people besides him that needs to have the handcuff treatment, and pronto.

The brief case was found away from the house also, and it was empty.
What was in it? I don't believe the gang would have bothered to take an empty briefcase away from the house. And how would the Beasley attorney know exactly what was in the smaller safe? How would Ashley Markham know for certain? Bud and Melanie Billings were the only ones that would really know, and they are both dead.

I also find it very odd that Gonzales, Sr wanted a private meeting with SA Bill Eddins when he was arrested and got it. Things that make you go hummm..........

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::
Hi Fanny Mae!

I don't know why Hugh is still out.  I hope they have him close in their sights!  I agree he is just as involved, if not more, than the rest of them.  I'm glad Pam is not looking very happy these days!

There seems to be a lot of questions that we need answers to & more people to be brought in!

A lot of things in this make me go hummmmm!

I haven't gotten a chance to go back to the docs to finish reading them & hope to do that today.

So glad to have you back with us.  You have been missed.  You need to pick out some pretty new clothes to wear. I think CBB was working on something, last time I checked.

I'm off for now, but will check back later.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 05:38:43 PM
Gonzales Jr must have known there were no cameras in the Master Bedroom.
How'd he know that?  Did Justin tell him?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 22, 2009, 06:34:32 PM
Gonzales Jr must have known there were no cameras in the Master Bedroom.
How'd he know that?  Did Justin tell him?

I had a post to answer you, but got lost in the boot, so I will try it again.

I wasn't really surprised to hear there was not video of the master bedroom, as the surveilance was to watch the kids, and it would afford the adults a little privacy in their own suite. However, I don't think Pat, jr would know that on his own. Someone may have told him, but he was also under the impression that the system had been turned off. It does seem that Justin had some guilty knowledge, as he felt his life was in danger and he hid out at a different friend's house that night.

I wonder where the dogs were. Were they in the travel trailer that Justin lived in outside on the property?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 08:06:12 PM
Gonzales Jr must have known there were no cameras in the Master Bedroom.
How'd he know that?  Did Justin tell him?

I had a post to answer you, but got lost in the boot, so I will try it again.

I wasn't really surprised to hear there was not video of the master bedroom, as the surveilance was to watch the kids, and it would afford the adults a little privacy in their own suite. However, I don't think Pat, jr would know that on his own. Someone may have told him, but he was also under the impression that the system had been turned off. It does seem that Justin had some guilty knowledge, as he felt his life was in danger and he hid out at a different friend's house that night.

I wonder where the dogs were. Were they in the travel trailer that Justin lived in outside on the property?

I just read in the TIME article that Byrd had recently Kicked two teenage children out of the house because he didn't like who they were dating.  Do we know whose those kids were?

I just don't think Byrd was a very nice guy.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 22, 2009, 08:23:10 PM
Gonzales Jr must have known there were no cameras in the Master Bedroom.
How'd he know that?  Did Justin tell him?

I had a post to answer you, but got lost in the boot, so I will try it again.

I wasn't really surprised to hear there was not video of the master bedroom, as the surveilance was to watch the kids, and it would afford the adults a little privacy in their own suite. However, I don't think Pat, jr would know that on his own. Someone may have told him, but he was also under the impression that the system had been turned off. It does seem that Justin had some guilty knowledge, as he felt his life was in danger and he hid out at a different friend's house that night.

I wonder where the dogs were. Were they in the travel trailer that Justin lived in outside on the property?

I just read in the TIME article that Byrd had recently Kicked two teenage children out of the house because he didn't like who they were dating.  Do we know whose those kids were?

I just don't think Byrd was a very nice guy.

Yes, it was Kristen Brianne Billings (and I believe it was who the lawsuit against his grown son for support and life ins policy was for, going by her age. jmo) who had moved out with her boyfriend Joseph Daniel Chauncey, and Justin Loyd Billings, who he had kicked out but allowed to live in a travel trailer on the property per the transcripts in the doc dump.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 11:06:58 PM
Gonzales Jr must have known there were no cameras in the Master Bedroom.
How'd he know that?  Did Justin tell him?

I had a post to answer you, but got lost in the boot, so I will try it again.

I wasn't really surprised to hear there was not video of the master bedroom, as the surveilance was to watch the kids, and it would afford the adults a little privacy in their own suite. However, I don't think Pat, jr would know that on his own. Someone may have told him, but he was also under the impression that the system had been turned off. It does seem that Justin had some guilty knowledge, as he felt his life was in danger and he hid out at a different friend's house that night.

I wonder where the dogs were. Were they in the travel trailer that Justin lived in outside on the property?

I just read in the TIME article that Byrd had recently Kicked two teenage children out of the house because he didn't like who they were dating.  Do we know whose those kids were?

I just don't think Byrd was a very nice guy.

Yes, it was Kristen Brianne Billings (and I believe it was who the lawsuit against his grown son for support and life ins policy was for, going by her age. jmo) who had moved out with her boyfriend Joseph Daniel Chauncey, and Justin Loyd Billings, who he had kicked out but allowed to live in a travel trailer on the property per the transcripts in the doc dump.

Thank you Fanny. ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 23, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
Thank you Magnolia & Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::


http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/county-19940-billings-okaloosa.html

Records: Ties between Okaloosa suspects in Billings murders go back years



The ties between the four Okaloosa County men implicated in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Escambia County on July 9 can be traced back much earlier, according to records released by the state attorney’s office.

The records contain discovery exhibits and investigative requests and reports linking the men through evidence and witness statements.

Witnesses have told lawmen that two of the suspects, Gary Sumner and Donnie Ray Stallworth, might have been involved in a string of robberies in 2005 and may have taken part in an unsolved homicide Sept. 12, 2005.

The state attorney’s records say some crimes in Okaloosa bear a striking resemblance to the Billings’ murders, which occurred in their home in Beulah while several of their children were present.

A rash of home-invasion robberies, including some that weren’t reported, plagued Okaloosa in 2005, according to the reports. Suspects targeted narcotics violators who were believed to have large amounts of cash. Witnesses described those committing the crimes as black men wearing dark clothing and ski masks, and said they were armed with shotguns, handguns and rifles, according to an investigative request from the state attorney’s office to the Air Force.

During one robbery, Mexican national Luis Magana-Gonzalez was shot to death inside his home at the Bella Vista Apartments on Monahan Drive in Fort Walton Beach. With his final words, Magana-Gonzalez identified his assailants as two black men. Evidence collected at the scene included a Tau-rus 9mm handgun, black ski masks and gloves. DNA and partial finger prints were recovered, but Magana-Gonzalez’s murder remains unsolved.

Investigators traced the gun that was dropped at the scene from an Air Force officer who sold it before he deployed to another airman who investigators believe may have been in the same squadron with Stallworth and whom Stallworth and Sumner knew through Walter Johnson, the target of a drug-trafficking investigation.

Magana-Gonzalez was dealing narcotics when he was killed, and he and Johnson used the same cocaine supplier, the investigative request states.

The request also notes that it is still unclear whether the Billingses’ murders and Magana-Gonzalez’ death are linked. The request to the Air Force is for military records of those involved to confirm whether the men in witness statements were stationed together at Hurlburt Field and whether there are other links that can be drawn.

Johnson was sentenced to 30 years in prison for cocaine trafficking in 2006 and closed his business, Creative Audio Solutions. That’s when Sumner started his own company, 5th Dimension, a custom automobile paint shop on Duvall Street in Fort Walton Beach.

Witnesses placed the other two Okaloosa suspects — Fredrick Thornton Jr. and Rakeem Florence — at 5th Dimension beginning in 2007. Thornton lived across the street from the business.

Witnesses also used nick-names to identify most of the suspects. Sumner went by “G” or “The Mayor,” Stallworth was called “D-Stalls” and Florence was “Little Dude.”

Lawmen also have connected the Okaloosa suspects to the person referred to as the “mastermind” behind the Billings’ murders, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.

Charles Jacopetti, who owns the 5th Dimension property, told lawmen that Gonzalez and a woman approached him in late June about joining the lease with Sumner. Gonzalez said he had interest in customizing motorcycles.

Although Gonzalez later said he was not interested in the property, Sumner did pay overdue rent once with a check from Providence Properties LLC that was signed by “Pamela Long,” the lone woman implicated in the Billingses’ murders.

Sumner said Gonzalez contacted in late June about a $30,000 paint job for an older Bentley automobile. At the time of his arrest, Sumner only admitted knowing Gonzalez by his first name and said he thought he was a martial arts instructor.

He said he met Gonzalez at the Walmart in Gulf Breeze on July 9 — the day of the murders — because he was excited about the money the job would bring.

Witnesses interviewed during the investigation said they didn’t believe Sumner’s story about the Bentley because he would have spoken openly about a job that big. Sumner’s business partner said he didn’t know enough about the paint and body portion of the business to have struck a deal by himself. Sumner’s business partner also said 5th Dimension was in financial trouble.

On July 11 — two days after the slayings — one of the witnesses interviewed said that Sumner told him about an incident July 10 when he was returning to Fort Walton Beach from Panama City with his girlfriend. Sumner said he was surrounded by several vehicles with their headlights off and he was forced to pull over. Sumner told the witness a group of men swarmed his vehicle, took $40,000 in cash from him and left. The witness told investigators that he thought the story was odd and believed that Sumner was trying to establish an alibi.

One witness, who admitted to once being involved with the Southside Chicago street gang the Insane Popes, said Gonzalez had approached him about participating in a home-invasion robbery that would involve an elderly drug dealer who was a multi-millionaire. Gonzalez described a big vault-style safe and said there might be some children present. Gonzalez told the witness the drug dealer was involved with the Mexican Mafia. The witness said he declined Gonzalez’s offer and couldn’t be certain the man mentioned was Byrd Billings.

The same witness who told investigators of the home-invasion scheme said he was at 5th Dimension about two weeks before the murders, but was asked to wait outside. The witness said Gonzalez, Sumner, Florence and several other black men were there. The witness told investigators Sumner also used the paint shop as a front to traffic in steroids.

Sumner, Stallworth, Thornton and Florence are being held without bond in the Escambia County Jail with Gonzalez, his father Leonard Gonzalez Sr. and Pamela Long.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 23, 2009, 02:23:32 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230335/1006

Billings slayings: Anatomy of a conspiracy


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 23, 2009, 02:25:24 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230324/1006

Billings suspects: Criminal masterminds?
Evidence in Billings slayings paints suspects as band of fools


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 23, 2009, 03:32:54 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230335/1006

Billings slayings: Anatomy of a conspiracy


Seems like Hugh Wiggins, Cab Tice, and whoever was supposed to turn off the surveilance system is missing.

Thank You CECE.

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 23, 2009, 03:34:52 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230324/1006

Billings suspects: Criminal masterminds?
Evidence in Billings slayings paints suspects as band of fools

I wanted to post this whole article about the  masterminds from the pnj link, but I am woefully inenept at doing it. Maybe someday you could give me a tutorial of how to do it. I found it extremely interesting.

Thanks again CECE.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 23, 2009, 03:42:17 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230335/1006

Billings slayings: Anatomy of a conspiracy


Seems like Hugh Wiggins, Cab Tice, and whoever was supposed to turn off the surveilance system is missing.

Thank You CECE.

::MonkeyAngel::

I meant to say GLARINGLY MISSING.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on August 23, 2009, 08:56:27 PM
Cece, thanks for the update.  This is all so sad.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on August 24, 2009, 09:47:37 AM
http://www.wesh.com/news/20528692/detail.html
Documents Released In Slain Couple Case
Papers Reveal Details On Links Between Slaying Suspects

POSTED: 8:26 am EDT August 24, 2009
UPDATED: 8:56 am EDT August 24, 2009
PENSACOLA, Fla. -- Documents released by prosecutors revealed some of the links between the seven suspects accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings in their Florida Panhandle home in July.

The six men and a 16-year-old charged as an adult appeared in the documents to be a hastily assembled group mostly lured by the promise of money. One was unable to pay the rent on his auto shop.

Authorities have identified the "mastermind" as Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. Gonzalez and the six other suspects have pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder charges.
Gonzalez recruited his father as the getaway driver. His stepmother told investigators that Gonzalez persuaded his 56-year-old father to participate by telling him that the Billings children were being sexually abused.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 24, 2009, 10:48:05 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090823/NEWS01/908230324/1006

Billings suspects: Criminal masterminds?
Evidence in Billings slayings paints suspects as band of fools

I wanted to post this whole article about the  masterminds from the pnj link, but I am woefully inenept at doing it. Maybe someday you could give me a tutorial of how to do it. I found it extremely interesting.

Thanks again CECE.  ::MonkeyAngel::

You're welcome Fanny Mae.   ::MonkeyAngel::

PNJ is a hard site to cut & paste from.  I try to cut out the ads, etc. and since the article is 6 pages long, I just posted the link & headline.  But I agree, it was a good article.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/AngelMouseGM.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 24, 2009, 08:07:18 PM

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Just got the laptop back ::MonkeyCheer2::


http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_3502.shtml


ESCAMBIA COUNTY - These 30 pages just released late this afternoon give us a second-by-second account of what happened in the home.

It's of course so detailed because the Billings family had an elaborate security system that captured much of the crime as it was happening.

There were 16 cameras on the property, but so far we've only seen video from a few mounted outside.

Inside the home there were 12 cameras.

According to this latest document, we know that they captured video of the suspects leaving this red van at 7:05.

15 seconds later two more suspects appear out of a wooded area on the north side of the residence.

41 seconds after that Byrd Billings appears to be shot in the leg.

At the same time, Melanie Billings is in the living room with one of the children and a perpetrator.

By 7:07 both Byrd and Melanie were taken into their bedroom where there are no cameras.

2 minutes and 10 seconds later, the perpetrators leave the home, some are seen getting back in the red van.

The entire crime took just 4 minutes and 10 seconds.

There's much more in the documents released this afternoon.

We're going through it all right now and we'll have more at 10 O'clock.

Members of the media will be allowed to view the surveillance video and crime scene photographs on Thursday.

The public will be able to see the items starting on Friday.

You must call the state attorney's office to arrange a time to see it.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 25, 2009, 07:07:43 AM
So glad you got your laptop back, IM!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  And thank yo for the update.

Good morning everyone.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/GMCoffeeShop.gif)



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 25, 2009, 07:10:15 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=10409

Cameras Detail Billings Murders Second By Second

August 25, 2009

Security cameras in an around the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings provide a second by second record of what happened the night the couple was murdered in their Beulah home. The entire incident took less than five minutes from start to finish.

Information released Monday by the the State Attorney’s Office provides details of what is in the video captured by several of the 16 cameras mounted inside and outside of the Billings’ home.

According to the information from the State Attorney’s Office, here is what happened the night of July 9:

    * 7:05:42  –Red van is visible entering driveway
    * 7:05:58 — Offenders exit van
    * 7:06:13 — Two offenders exit wooded area on north side of residence and approach house
    * 7:06:16 — Byrd Billings looks toward front door and raises his hands
    * 7:06:22 — Byrd Billings is shot in leg, escorted to bedroom; Melanie Billings remains in living room with child and offender
    * 7:07:34 — Byrd Billings visible back in living room
    * 7:07:42 — Both victims exit living room toward master bedroom area
    * 7:07:55 — Offender carrying a bag visible going from back of van toward house
    * 7:09:52 — Offenders return to van
    * 7:10:16 — Van departs yard
    * 7:10:27 — Last view leaving driveway
    * 7:26:36 — First deputies arrive on scene

There were no cameras located in the Billings’ bedroom, according to investigators.

For a detailed account of what was recorded by each camera at the Billings home, click here (pdf).

http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/billingscameras.pdf

A judge has ruled that there will be no copies distributed of the video and crime scene photographs from the Billings home. But the media will have the chance to review the videos and about 2,000 crime scene photographs on Thursday. The public will be able to view the photos and evidence beginning Friday.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 25, 2009, 07:20:49 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Surveillance_Video_Catches_Murder

Surveillance video
catches murder
Video to be viewed first by media on
Thursday

Updated: Monday, 24 Aug 2009, 6:52 PM CDT
Published : Monday, 24 Aug 2009, 5:37 PM CDT

   

PENSACOLA, Fla. - For the first time in almost two months, the media and public will get to see exactly what happened in the Billings' home the night they were murdered. Officials announced the viewing of the video will begin Thursday.

The Video reportedly show the moment the intruders entered the home, all the way to the actual gunshots. The video also shows the safe being taken out of the master bedroom.

To read the play-by-play on the surveillance video, click here .

http://media2.fox10tv.com/billings/PR4.pdf

(snipped)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 25, 2009, 09:06:33 AM
So glad you got your laptop back, IM!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  And thank yo for the update.

Good morning everyone.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/GMCoffeeShop.gif)




Good morning Cece and thanks.........I felt so lost without it ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for all your updates too!!! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 25, 2009, 09:58:29 AM
So glad you got your laptop back, IM!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  And thank yo for the update.

Good morning everyone.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/GMCoffeeShop.gif)




Good morning Cece and thanks.........I felt so lost without it ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for all your updates too!!! ::MonkeyBike::

Good Morning Cece and Island,

I'm glad you got your laptop back again too, Island.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 25, 2009, 10:18:58 AM
So glad you got your laptop back, IM!   ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  And thank yo for the update.

Good morning everyone.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/GMCoffeeShop.gif)




Good morning Cece and thanks.........I felt so lost without it ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks for all your updates too!!! ::MonkeyBike::

Good Morning Cece and Island,

I'm glad you got your laptop back again too, Island.  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Ms Fanny~glad to see you posting again! ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 26, 2009, 09:02:31 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Wiggins_Husband_To_File_For_Divorce

Wiggins' husband to file
for divorce
One of her two husbands asks for
divorce

Updated: Tuesday, 25 Aug 2009, 6:14 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 25 Aug 2009, 6:14 PM CDT

    * Hubert Tate
    * Photojournalist: Franz Barraza

PENSACOLA, Fla. - One of Pamela Long's two husbands plans to move forward with a divorce on Wednesday. Law enforcement officials call her bigamist, because she's married to two men at the same time.

There's a marriage license for Pamela Long, showing she's married to James Malden. There's also a marriage license, showing she's married to Hugh Wiggins.

The two men are connected through one woman, but no divorce ever took place in between them.

"We tried to work it out. I suggested going to our pastors and counselors. So we worked it out. And a week later, she called and told me she was having an affair," said Malden.

Ed Seitz is the attorney for James Malden. He says he and his client have been trying finalize the divorce for about a year and a half.

On Wednesday, a conference is scheduled with Long's listed attorney, James Weber, and a judge.

"Basically, that is a time for parties to meet with the judge, update the judge on the status of the case," said Seitz.

Seitz says he had some suspicion about whether Long remarried before finalizing her divorce. Once authorities found out that she did not, all suspicion was put to rest.

"Nothing surprises me with her. She has been fairly dishonest is what I felt, especially after deposition. And she really has a nonchalant attitude."

Long's attorney, James Weber, refused to comment.

FOX10 also tried to contact Hugh Wiggins, but he did not return our calls.

Pamela Wiggins has been charged with being an accessory after the fact, first degree, in connection to the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. Her alleged involvement in this case led authorities to investigate her further. That's when they unearthed the fact she was married to both men.

Pamela Wiggins remains in the Escambia County Jail, under $500,000 bond.

She's also being investigated on food stamp fraud allegations.

Hugh Wiggins has been a person of interest in the Billings case since the very beginning.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on August 26, 2009, 12:58:55 PM
I can not believe that Hugh Wiggins is not in jail. I wonder if he is still in the area?


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 26, 2009, 08:30:29 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Graphic_Video_To_Be_Viewed_Thursday

Graphic video to be
viewed Thursday

Updated: Wednesday, 26 Aug 2009, 6:44 PM CDT
Published : Wednesday, 26 Aug 2009, 6:44 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Photojournalist: Eric Lowe

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Thursday morning, graphic images and video of the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings will become available for public viewing. The video shows Byrd Billings being shot in the leg, and the suspects interacting with the children.

That surveillance video has played a big role in the Billings murder case from day one. FOX10 saw the van leaving the home and the suspects going inside, but the most graphic images were locked away.

You can read a play-by-play of the surveillance video by clicking here .

"I think people are following this case a lot more closely then we might follow other cases. I think the public does want to see what's available," legal expert Kimberly Tatum said.

Tatum is a legal studies professor at University of West Florida. She says Florida's public records law has made evidence like this available for years, but now more and more people actually want to see it.

"Certainly the type of evidence we have here, we don't have in all murder cases. We have surveillance, the autopsy photos, which are going to be quite graphic in nature," she added.

A judge ruled that the video and photos can't be reproduced, but some people still worry about the affects the release will have on the children involved.

"I think that can always be hard for a victim. Some people will say it re-victimizes the victim, but I think our system realizes it's for the public's good, that they will be able prosecute people effectively. Sometimes we have to use graphic evidence," said Tatum.

Tatum also says one thing she would worry about is if too many local residents see it, it could taint the jury pool.

"The more people who come to view the evidence, the more difficult it will be to find a jury who in this local area who doesn't know a lot about the case already. A big part of jury selection process is finding how much people know about case, who they've talked to about case, whether they've read any articles, or whether they viewed any evidence in particular," she said.

The State Attorney's office says only five people outside the media have requested to see the material, but they expect many more requests in the future. It will be available early next week. If you want to see the material, call the State Attorney's office and schedule a time.

The suspects are Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Leonard Gonzalez, Jr., Wayne Coldiron, Donnie Stallworth, Gary Sumner, Frederick Thornton, and Rakeem Florence. They all plead not guilty to two counts each of first degree murder, and one count each of home invasion robbery. The six men may face the death penalty, while Florence, 16, may face life behind bars.

Another person of interest, Henry "Cab" Tice, has been questioned in connection to the case. Tice was a former business partner of Byrd Billings, and allegedly stole thousands from him.

Sheriff David Morgan said Tice was into the Mexican Mafia, and allegedly owed tens of thousands of dollars to them. The sheriff went on to say they don't believe Billings had any ties to the Mexican Mafia. Tice is charged with theft.

Pamela Long Wiggins is charged with being an accessory after the fact, first degree. She's being held in the Escambia County Jail under $500,000 bond. Her husband, Hugh Wiggins, has been a person of interest since day one.


   


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 28, 2009, 01:11:34 AM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7299

What I saw…
August 27 200925 Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

The videos from the surveillance cameras from the Billings’ residence are haunting. The 16 cameras captured both the inside and outside of the home while the seven intruders drove onto the property and five masked men stormed into the house.

The cameras caught on tape everything but the actual murders. The reporters that viewed the videos today saw the five intruders break into house, shoot Bud Billings in the leg and terrorize him and Melanie Billings. We also saw the children sleeping and playing in their rooms, as well as the now infamous red van drive on and off the property.

The intruders were deliberate and well organized. There was no hesitation or any sense that the men didn’t know what they were doing.

Bud and Melanie Billings both approached the front door when three men kicked it in. Both had their hands up in the air, when a masked man, who the suspects have identified as Patrick Gonzalez, shot Bud Billings in the calf, causing to him fall to the floor.

Gonzalez shot him from the hallway by the kitchen, within in seconds of coming in view of the camera. One intruder with a rifle stayed in the hallway. Gonzalez and another stood over Billings. Gonzalez pressed his pistol to back of Billing’s head. The fifth intruder guarded Melanie Billings.

A few steps away, Jacob “Jake” Billing, their 10-year-old Down Syndrome son, sat stunned on a coffee table, completely ignored by the intruders. Bud and Melanie are dragged out of the view of the camera into the nearby master bedroom. Jake, who is fully dressed in t-shirt, shorts and shoes, remains frozen on the coffee table.

At one point, Melanie comes back into the living room and hugs Jake. Bud also appears and both are taken back to the bedroom. We don’t see them again.

Jake panics and starts wandering back and forth from the coffee table, the door of the master bedroom and the kitchen. The video is grainy and it’s difficult to see any facial expressions, but he appears to be in shock. The intruders thankfully continue to ignore him.

The other cameras in the house capture the other eight children sleeping or playing in their bedrooms. There is one particularly haunting video captured on Camera 15. It’s a scene that could have been part of a horror or suspense movie.

A young girl is sleeping in her upstairs bedroom. You can see the red van drive up and park outside her window. As the young girl hears gunshots, she runs to her door and back to her bed. She sits up clearly frightened and uncertain what to do. For the next couple minutes, she runs back forth from bed to the door. Each time she reaches her bed, she crawls under the covers. When the van drives off, she watches from her window. Then she crawls back into her bed, pulls up the covers and doesn’t move again until the deputies enter the house.

The videos of the children ripped my heart. No child should ever have to experience such horror. The home and their bedrooms should be sanctuaries. The video from the living room that showed Bud Billings being shot and the couple being terrorized made me angry. This couple did not have to be shot for the intruders to complete the robbery.

Someone wanted these people dead.











http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7307



REDACTED 911 CALLS on this link:


billings redacted 911 call 1

Second call: Listen







http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7312


And the crime scene photos
August 27 2009No Commented
Categorized Under: Escambia County, May 11 2009

The reporters today also viewed 2076 crime scene photos that were not only of the murder scene, but also of the home of Leonard “Lenny” Gonzalez, the vehicles used and the Wiggins’ backyard where the safe was buried under debris. The photos filled two volumes. Many were repetitive.

The photos of Bud and Melanie Billings were particularly gruesome, leaving me queasy after I set the volumes aside. In college, I worked one summer as an orderly in a hospital emergency room. I learned to turn part of myself off and not react to the gore, but the emotions still creep in.

Bud was lying face down in a pool of his blood at the foot of the bed, near the doorway into the master bedroom. There were two bullet holes in the back of his head. A picture of Melanie’s second daughter, Nicole, was face down under one of his legs.

In an interior hallway that led away from the bedroom was Melanie lying face up. She had bled from his mouth, nose, ears and eyes. Her Elton John t-shirt was soaked with blood just below her neck. One sandal was missing from her feet.

After seeing those photos I can agree with the judge’s decision not allow these to be published before the trial.

The photographs were also of mundane things, things that also made an impression on me.

Above the headboard of Bud and Melanie’s bed was painted the phrase: “Just one lifetime won’t be enough for us.”

There was a TV in the bedroom that was inset in the wall that displayed views from the surveillance system so the intruders would have known the cameras were working when they took Bud and Melanie into the master bedroom.

In a closet (which I assume was Bud’s) was a black briefcase – could that be the briefcase that Cab Tice told the investigators that Bud always carried around with $20K inside it? There is a photo of another briefcase that was found elsewhere that looks like it contained folders – I will have to check the investigator’s reports to better understand those photos.

The second safe was huge one inset into the wall. It contained a strand of pearls and lockbox with money among other things.

The stairway that led upstairs had a gate. There were red plastic cartons on the stairs, probably to put the kids’ things from them to take upstairs later.

Near the bedroom was a wooden cabinet with a glass door that displayed four shelves of Hummel figurines.

In the kitchen was a slice of freshly cut watermelon near the sink.

Both doors used to gain access to the house showed signs of forced entry, like that they had been kicked at or near the dead bolts.

While the downstairs appeared cluttered and very lived in, the cameras in the bedrooms of the children showed rooms that were quite barren. One bedroom had a mirror on the floor. Another had child playing on a mattress that had been pulled off its frame.





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 28, 2009, 11:30:11 AM
Thanks ISLAND, For the recap from ricksblog. It seemed to have a visceral reaction on most all of the reporters that have talked about seeing them. I watched Ed Lavendera on Fox relating to what he had seen.  Although he is a seasoned reporter, it seemed it was all he could do to get the words out about how awful they really were. And how touching the pictures were of the little girl in her bedroom, who watched the van leave and then covered her head after first running back and forth to the door to her bed.

Creeps that can do cruel things to other people are beyond my understanding. I wonder if they once looked into the terrified face of the little boy sitting on the coffee table watching all this go on?  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 28, 2009, 02:02:47 PM
Thanks IM for the link & post.

I agree, Fanny Mae.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 28, 2009, 03:13:21 PM
Good to see you too, IM, and CECE.

So what now? Does Hugh Wiggins get to go on his merry way, across several states to his off-shore job? Does he get the use of the "Sassy Lady" on his off-time, or has it been siezed?  Is Cab still wheeling and dealing, exporting and importing, and making trips to South America? Are the sales up at Markam Auto Sales, and the cash flowing at the Worldco Finance Company? Has Josh been able to get a brand new pick up truck to style around in? Are Ashley and Blue sleeping in the same bedroom where her parents were murdered? Who was really driving that silver BMW convertible that day at the gas station? Has Lonnie Smith run for his life?  So many question, and no answers.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on August 28, 2009, 05:44:27 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Melanie_Billings_Will_Not_Valid

PENSACOLA, Fla. - The one thing that is on everyone's minds concerning the Billings murder case, is who will take care of the children permanently? Melanie Billings appears to have covered her tracks with a will. But attorneys say it's not valid.

The last will and testament of Melanie Billings was placed on file this week, at the Escambia County Probate Office. Attorneys for the family said Byrd didn't even leave behind a will.

Melanie's will shows she wished her jewelry to be given to her children on their 25th birthday.

She also wrote she didn't want the special needs children placed in a child-care facility, if something happens to their appointed guardian. Instead, she hopes that person will hire someone to care for the children at the Billings' home on Mobile Highway.

But the family's attorney, Kramer Litvak, says the court doesn't have the power to honor Melanie's requests.

"In Florida, you have to execute it (the will) in front of two witnesses, and there were no witnesses to this will. So it is not a valid will," said Litvak.

So by Florida Law, all assets of both Byrd and Melanie go to their daughter, Ashley Markham.

"She is charged with handling the estate," Litvak added.

Markham will be responsible for the couple's nine children and her parents home, worth over $800,000.

"Ashley Markham has been appointed by the court to be the personal representative of the estate of Melanie Billings, and also Byrd Billings," according to Litvak.

The state attorney's office says more people from the public are signing up to look at the crime scene photos. Since Thursday, the number has doubled to 14. Those people will watch the videos on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on August 28, 2009, 07:27:10 PM
Thanks ISLAND, For the recap from ricksblog. It seemed to have a visceral reaction on most all of the reporters that have talked about seeing them. I watched Ed Lavendera on Fox relating to what he had seen.  Although he is a seasoned reporter, it seemed it was all he could do to get the words out about how awful they really were. And how touching the pictures were of the little girl in her bedroom, who watched the van leave and then covered her head after first running back and forth to the door to her bed.

Creeps that can do cruel things to other people are beyond my understanding. I wonder if they once looked into the terrified face of the little boy sitting on the coffee table watching all this go on?  ::MonkeyWaa::






Hi Cece and Fanny~seems we are always missing each other ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree about the reporters reactions to the crime scene photos and video, I guess that was why the sheriff almost immeadiately knew this was more than a simple robbery. I feel so bad for those kids who witnessed a living hell IMO. I pray they are getting counseling to help them thru this. I am pretty sure the ECSO is keeping a good eye on ole Hugh and Cab right now alone with a few others that have crossed the radar her. I know one thing for sure, I'll never buy a used car here ::MonkeyDevil2:: Also, anyone can go see the photos and videos if you just make an appt ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: Honestly it has crossed my mind if only very briefly


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 28, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Melanie_Billings_Will_Not_Valid

PENSACOLA, Fla. - The one thing that is on everyone's minds concerning the Billings murder case, is who will take care of the children permanently? Melanie Billings appears to have covered her tracks with a will. But attorneys say it's not valid.

The last will and testament of Melanie Billings was placed on file this week, at the Escambia County Probate Office. Attorneys for the family said Byrd didn't even leave behind a will.

Melanie's will shows she wished her jewelry to be given to her children on their 25th birthday.

She also wrote she didn't want the special needs children placed in a child-care facility, if something happens to their appointed guardian. Instead, she hopes that person will hire someone to care for the children at the Billings' home on Mobile Highway.

But the family's attorney, Kramer Litvak, says the court doesn't have the power to honor Melanie's requests.

"In Florida, you have to execute it (the will) in front of two witnesses, and there were no witnesses to this will. So it is not a valid will," said Litvak.

So by Florida Law, all assets of both Byrd and Melanie go to their daughter, Ashley Markham.

"She is charged with handling the estate," Litvak added.

Markham will be responsible for the couple's nine children and her parents home, worth over $800,000.

"Ashley Markham has been appointed by the court to be the personal representative of the estate of Melanie Billings, and also Byrd Billings," according to Litvak.

The state attorney's office says more people from the public are signing up to look at the crime scene photos. Since Thursday, the number has doubled to 14. Those people will watch the videos on Tuesday.

Byrd's children should protest that judge's decision. IMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 28, 2009, 10:07:32 PM
And so, who has the most to gain by both Byrd AND Melanie being murdered?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2009, 02:09:28 AM
And so, who has the most to gain by both Byrd AND Melanie being murdered?  ::MonkeyCool::

That looks to be Ashlee and Blue to me. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on August 29, 2009, 11:44:36 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Melanie_Billings_Will_Not_Valid

"She is charged with handling the estate," Litvak added.

Markham will be responsible for the couple's nine children and her parents home, worth over $800,000.

"Ashley Markham has been appointed by the court to be the personal representative of the estate of Melanie Billings, and also Byrd Billings," according to Litvak.


Since the Billings died intestate (no will), the state will be the executor and Ashley is only the court-appointed personal representative.    Being a court-appointed personal representative does not mean that she is the sole inheritor of the estate.  The court will oversee all aspects of probate.  It is up to the court and Ashley on whether they choose to honor Melanie’s wishes.  I am sure that the Child and Welfare folks will also be involved to make sure that the special needs children are cared for in an appropriate manner.  This can be a long drawn out probate or simple, depending on how well the probate court, Ashley, the other children of Byrd and Melanie, and the child welfare folks can agree on all aspects of the estate.  Many complicated factors, but don’t think Ashley is going to get everything because she isn’t entitled to 100% inheritance under Florida law.  Just another example on why it is important to have a will.  I am sure the probate case will take longer than the criminal trial.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on August 29, 2009, 06:50:45 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Melanie_Billings_Will_Not_Valid

"She is charged with handling the estate," Litvak added.

Markham will be responsible for the couple's nine children and her parents home, worth over $800,000.

"Ashley Markham has been appointed by the court to be the personal representative of the estate of Melanie Billings, and also Byrd Billings," according to Litvak.


Since the Billings died intestate (no will), the state will be the executor and Ashley is only the court-appointed personal representative.    Being a court-appointed personal representative does not mean that she is the sole inheritor of the estate.  The court will oversee all aspects of probate.  It is up to the court and Ashley on whether they choose to honor Melanie’s wishes.  I am sure that the Child and Welfare folks will also be involved to make sure that the special needs children are cared for in an appropriate manner.  This can be a long drawn out probate or simple, depending on how well the probate court, Ashley, the other children of Byrd and Melanie, and the child welfare folks can agree on all aspects of the estate.  Many complicated factors, but don’t think Ashley is going to get everything because she isn’t entitled to 100% inheritance under Florida law.  Just another example on why it is important to have a will.  I am sure the probate case will take longer than the criminal trial.

With so many children dependent on their care, I am totally stunned with all of Byrd's other legal finagling he nor Melanie followed thought with a true will to take care of all the children. It was said that Melanie asked for Ashley to take care of the children, but that was not what was in her will that was not witnessed. It may have been conveyed Ashley her mom by word of mouth.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 01, 2009, 11:39:59 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/Image12111111111111122222GOODMOR-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 01, 2009, 11:42:39 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090901/NEWS01/909010329/1006/NEWS01

(snipped):

Byrd Billings did not have a will.

"He came in to me several months ago and said that he needed to get his will in order," Beasley said. "We talked about it when we were talking about other things. For him it was particularly complicated, because of all of the children."

Since there is no valid will for either parent, Florida law dictates that the couple's assets are to be divided equally among their heirs. The couple's estates were placed on file in the Escambia County Probate Office on Friday.

Melanie Billings' assets include $164,000 in cash, which the assailants left behind in a safe. The money will be divided among her 12 children, with the inheritances for the nine underage adopted children placed into trust.

Her other assets include half interest of about $429,000 in the couple's home, tangible personal property of unknown value, and stock in the family's two businesses, Worldco Financial Services Inc. and Purshu Auto Sales Corp. She also wanted her children to receive a share of her jewelry collection when they reach the age of 25.

Markham already has partial ownership of the family businesses, Beasley said, meaning she either will partner with her siblings or could potentially buy out their shares.

Byrd Billings has two children listed as beneficiaries of his estate who are not listed in his wife's estate, meaning his assets will be split 14 ways.

His estate lists only a half-interest in the home and tangible personal property. None of the family businesses was in his name despite his regular involvement.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 02, 2009, 12:12:19 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Few_Turn_Out_To_View_Billings_Evidence

Few turn out to view
Billings evidence

Updated: Tuesday, 01 Sep 2009, 6:07 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 01 Sep 2009, 6:07 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Photojournalist: Eric Lowe

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Video and pictures taken from inside the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings during and after their murders have been released for pubic viewing. The state attorney's office said it was surprised that hardly anyone came to see them.

It's hours of video from 16 different cameras, showing Byrd Billings being shot in the leg, and a child watching the suspects enter the home.

Of the hundreds of people who went in and out of the Escambia County Courthouse, only a few came to see what happened inside the Billings home moments before the couple was murdered.

A woman who didn't want to be identified skipped work to see the evidence, just because she was curious. She said she wanted to see it, "Just to be nosy, that's the bottom line."

She said she understood the images would be startling.

"I'm pretty sure its going be in detail, right?"

The only tie she has to the case, is that her mother used to watch one of the children.

The woman, along with three other people, were scheduled to come in during the afternoon session.

"There are very few people from the general public that have made a request to actually view the materials. My belief is basically just a desire to have information," State Attorney Bill Eddins said.

A judge ordered that none of the videos or pictures could be reproduced. The media saw the video on Thursday, and were allowed to describe what they saw. The state attorney's office says that's why a lot of people backed away from seeing the evidence.

"The media viewed and reported to general public, most of those people have canceled and have indicated their satisfied and no longer want to see it," Eddins added.

(continued)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 03, 2009, 12:50:33 PM
I really hate to see so little movement in this case, as it is obvious more work really needs to be done. It seems to have slipped off the charts in the media. I hope Sheriff Morgan has not been shut down and the rest of the "gang" will soon be brought into the net too.

I have debated whether I would have gone to look at the murder pictures available to the public. I do believe I would if I still lived in Alabama. It is only about an hour's drive there. We have made the trip many times for various reasons.

Thank you CECE for posting all the media updates.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 03, 2009, 05:18:25 PM
I really hate to see so little movement in this case, as it is obvious more work really needs to be done. It seems to have slipped off the charts in the media. I hope Sheriff Morgan has not been shut down and the rest of the "gang" will soon be brought into the net too.

I have debated whether I would have gone to look at the murder pictures available to the public. I do believe I would if I still lived in Alabama. It is only about an hour's drive there. We have made the trip many times for various reasons.

Thank you CECE for posting all the media updates.   ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 03, 2009, 05:21:22 PM
http://www.jaxobserver.com/2009/09/03/brunswick-police-being-careful-about-information-they-release/


Brunswick Police Cautious About Sharing Info

Gannett News Service - Sep 3rd, 2009

After the murder of a Pensacola couple known for adopting disabled children, the local sheriff divulged details of the slaying in dozens of interviews and daily news conferences.

Five days after a mass murder in a Brunswick, Ga., mobile-home park, information is dribbling out from a police chief who declines to discuss the case.

Brunswick Police Chief Matt Doering hasn’t held a news conference since Monday, when he conceded that the public may be frustrated with the lack of information about the deaths of eight people. “I understand your frustration, believe me,” Doering said then. “We have to be very careful not to release those details that could jeopardize our investigation.”

Law enforcement experts say police balance what the public needs to know against the dangers of tipping off a suspect and damaging the investigation and prosecution.

“Need to know is the standard - if there’s information that will allow the public to take steps to protect themselves in an unsolved homicide with a suspect on the loose,” says James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.

Police withhold information strategically to weed out false confessions or determine whether a suspect knows something about a crime that isn’t public, Fox says. Police avoid releasing vague information, such as an incomplete suspect description, because it generates dead-end tips, he says.

Incorrect information made public early in an investigation can throw a case off course, Fox says. When Washington, D.C.-area police were chasing a sniper in 2002, they said they were looking for a white van, he notes. Later, the police learned the suspects drove a blue sedan.

Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan, whose department has arrested eight people in connection with the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Pensacola, says police weigh potential harm to a case against public confidence when making disclosures.

“You have to reach out to the community to reassure them that your law enforcement agency is there, that you’ve taken charge of the scene and you’re going to bring it to a successful resolution,” Morgan says.

Releasing a photo of a suspect paid off in the Billings case, Morgan says. Within an hour, a tipster called police with the suspect’s location. Still, he says, he withheld information to use when questioning suspects.

Revealing too much “lays a path of clues for the suspect about how the investigation is proceeding,” says Jon Shane, a professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York and a retired Newark, N.J., police captain. “The suspect can read the clues and change his strategy.”


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 10, 2009, 10:53:23 AM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/GREETINGS/1autumnred2.jpg)

Good morning Monkeys.  I keep checking for updates, but things are really quiet now.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 10, 2009, 10:58:07 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20090910/NOTEBOOK/909100308/1006/NEWS01

New gang and gun prosecutor, Billings video and youth victims

Thyrie Bland • tbland@pnj.com • September 10, 2009

(snipped)   


Billings video available for viewing

Video footage of the July 9 invasion of the Beulah home of Byrd and Melanie Billings is still available for the public to view at the State Attorney's Office.

The footage shows several attackers, some armed with rifles and shotguns, entering the house and confronting the couple and one of their nine adopted children in their living room. The footage shows Byrd Billings being shot in the leg; it does not record the slayings of the couple in their bedroom.

Seven men are charged with first-degree murder, and an eighth suspect, a woman, is charged as an accessory.

Local and national reporters have viewed the video.

About 20 other people have called the State Attorney's Office about seeing the video but only about 10 showed up to see it, Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said. The footage will be available indefinitely, he said.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on September 10, 2009, 11:10:25 PM
I really hate to see so little movement in this case, as it is obvious more work really needs to be done. It seems to have slipped off the charts in the media. I hope Sheriff Morgan has not been shut down and the rest of the "gang" will soon be brought into the net too.

I have debated whether I would have gone to look at the murder pictures available to the public. I do believe I would if I still lived in Alabama. It is only about an hour's drive there. We have made the trip many times for various reasons.

Thank you CECE for posting all the media updates.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Well Ms Fanny, if you ever get done this way let me know and I will go see them with you......as of now, I don't think I could do it alone from what I've heard around here.

Thanks Cece for all the updates, wish we had more info though!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 11, 2009, 10:57:59 AM
It's so quiet I can hear the crickets.

(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/crickets-1.gif)  (http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/crickets-1.gif)  (http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/crickets-1.gif)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 13, 2009, 12:49:44 PM
Doing a drive by to wish everyone a happy weekend!

::MonkeyBikeYorkie:: ::MonkeyBikeYorkie::

::puppy::   ::bee::



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on September 17, 2009, 11:18:56 AM
According to Rick's Blog, Ashley will appear on Oprah on Sep 24, 2009.

Source: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7410


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 18, 2009, 11:33:52 AM
According to Rick's Blog, Ashley will appear on Oprah on Sep 24, 2009.

Source: http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7410

TY kc.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Some interesting comments at the link.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 22, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Thank you all for the links.  ::MonkeyAngel::

It is upsetting and predictable that this case has come to a screeching halt. It was just the way I thought it might, what with the people involved in the background of this case. I have hoped against hope that Sheriff Morgan would be able to bust it wide open. He needs a lot of help from Sheriffs' of other jurisdictions and from the Feds also. I hope he is getting that help, and there is more in the background that is not meeting our eyes and ears.

I hope the powers-that-be are not allowed to loll away their time as usual on their yatchs and on the golf courses, and long walks with their bare feet in the sand. I hope the back room, cigar smoke filled rooms are much more tense as they carry on their business as usual. If nothing else, I hope they are all  looking over their shoulders a little bit more, and not feeling so smug. I hope they are feeling the pinch, even if at the same time they feel too big, too protected, and too important to ever be drug into the plot they put in motion. And I pray for Sheriff Morgan every day and the other people who want to do the right thing.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I think Ashley Markham would be better served to stay off the Oprah Show and tend to the family she has left. Now is not the time to go on a national show for a "poor me session." There is much left to disclose, and a poor time for her little cameo. JMO


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on September 22, 2009, 05:12:46 PM
Hugh Wiggins mentioned as a professional gun runner for the Mexican Mafia in Mississippi.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Page three of the article identifies – Hugh Wiggins as a professional gun runner.

“They also found, court records show, two-way radios Hugh Wiggins threw out the window of a van he was in while traveling through Jackson County.

Florida court records later released in the case show a man, interviewed as a witness in the case, identified Hugh Wiggins as someone who referred to himself as a professional gun-runner — exactly the type of professional with whom authorities say Mexican Mafia members and their associates would be interested in doing business.”


Sources:
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7415
http://www.sunherald.com/412/story/1614508.html


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 23, 2009, 10:28:22 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/Billings_Family_Needs_Financial_Support

Billings family needs financial support

Updated: Tuesday, 22 Sep 2009, 6:25 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 22 Sep 2009, 6:25 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Photojournalist: Hal Scheurich

PENSACOLA, Fla. - Thursday, the daughter of Byrd and Melanie Billings flies to Chicago to tell Oprah her family's story. Ashley Markham will show Oprah a day in the life of the Billings children.

Crews were also allowed into the Billings' sprawling compound. The family said one of the reasons they're going on the show, is to let people know they're going to need help providing for the children.

There's the large house, with more than $160,000 in cash contained in a safe inside the home. Behind closed doors, Ashley and Blue Markham are trying to figure out how they'll be able to provide for all the children.

"Ashley has, of course, has been thrust into her parent's financial circumstances. The situation with the estate has changed a little bit. These people were perceived as being very wealthy, now they are realizing they didn't have a will, didn't have life insurance," family attorney Robert Beasley said.

The family's life insurance policy expired before the murders. The cash in the safe will be going toward estate taxes.

Beasley told FOX10 Melanie Billings wanted everything to go to the nine adopted children, with Markham having guardianship. However, Melanie's will was invalid.

Markham will have to split up the businesses, any assets, and the home in 14 different ways.

"There are 14 children, some of them are of majority age, nine of minor age in which Ashley is guardian for. Financially, she has to take care of nine. The estate share, which was not a huge estate, includes the home and all, is divided 14 ways," Beasley added.

Markham will have control over a majority of the estate because nine of her siblings are in her custody. But she'll have to buy her four other brothers and sisters out of the rest of it.

As for the future of the children, a trust has been set up for them. Markham hopes that by appearing on Oprah, people who hear their story, will want to help.

The trust is called the "Billings Special Needs Trust." Donations should be made out to "Billings Special Needs Trust" and sent to Litvak, Beasley, Wilson Attorneys at Law. Their address is 226 East Government Street, PO Box 13503, Pensacola, Fla. 32591.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 23, 2009, 10:34:01 AM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/florida/Billings_Daughter_To_Talk_To_Oprah

Billings' daughter to talk to Oprah

Updated: Tuesday, 22 Sep 2009, 6:46 PM CDT
Published : Tuesday, 22 Sep 2009, 6:26 PM CDT

    * Christina Leavenworth
    * Photojournalist: Hal Scheurich

PENSACOLA, Fla. - All it took was a moment for Ashley Markham's life to change forever. Nine of her brothers and sisters with special needs were home, when her parents were murdered.

"She wasn't a mother before this, and now she's a mother of nine," family attorney Robert Beasley said.

Markham, her husband Blue, and their attorney Robert Beasley are flying out to Chicago Thursday night, to tell Oprah their story. The show will focus on how someone's life can change in a moment. That's one of the reasons they agreed to the interview.

"They came right out and said this isn't about murders. We aren't going to try and solve murders, not about who did what, the reasons. This is about mission of your parents what they were doing. It's about you're mission of stepping up, about that story," Beasley said.

The furthest any media outlets have been able to go is by the gates outside the home. Oprah's crew got to go inside, to see what a normal day is like for the family.

"We couldn't do big cameras, big lights. They scaled it way down, there was an agreement what rooms they could set up in, what rooms they could be in," added Beasley.

Beasley says there were strict boundaries about what could be shown. He said Oprah's crew was able to capture the family's daily life, without harming the children.

"These children more than others need routine, stability. They reacted great, they treated the film crew as a guest, played with them, interacted with them," he said.

On Thursday, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan will also do an interview with Oprah from his office. The show will air next week.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 24, 2009, 09:53:04 PM
Thanks to all who are leaving links here. I don't have anything new to add, but I come here everyday just hoping there will be a break in this story. I do not believe for a moment this is finished.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on September 27, 2009, 03:55:53 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=11135

Photos: Oprah Winfrey Show To Feature Billings Murder With Markham, Morgan

September 25, 2009

(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/oprah10.jpg)

Pictured above: Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan waits to film a segment on the Oprah Winfrey show via an Internet teleconference from his office Thursday afternoon.  Pictured below: Morgan conducts his interview with Oprah. Submitted photos for NorthEscambia.com, click to enlarge.

(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/oprah11.jpg)


An upcoming episode of the Oprah Winfrey show was taped Thursday afternoon with Ashley Markham, daughter of murder victimes Byrd and Melanie Billings, and Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan.

Markham, her husband James, and Roberty Beasley, their attorney, were in Chicago for the taping. The sheriff taped his portion of the program via the Skype Internet video chat program from his office in Pensacola.

The show is expected to air sometime next week; and exact date has not been announced. The show will reportedly focus around the Billings family and their children.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 03, 2009, 02:45:57 PM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=11311

Taking It To The Streets: Sheriff David Morgan Walks Walnut Hill Neighborhood

October 3, 2009

For Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan, days at the office are getting back to normal. After the Byrd and Melanie Billings murders cast him into the national spotlight, he was spending a lot of time doing interviews with the big boys in the news business — CNN, FOX, ABC and all those other three letter networks and celebrities like Larry King, Aaron Cooper and even Oprah.

But Friday afternoon, Morgan was back where he likes to be…on the streets of Escambia County. After taking part in Northview High School’s Homecoming Parade, the sheriff, Lt.  Roger Grice and Escambia County District 5 Commissioner Kevin White walked Juniper Street in Walnut Hill. It was a chance for sowalk13.jpgMorgan to meet some of the residents on a street that is often plagued by crime. Just last week, an Escambia County teacher’s aide was busted on Juniper Street after the sheriff’s department executed a search warrant and recovered a large amount of cocaine.

Since taking office in January, Morgan has walked many neighborhoods in the county, spreading the message that he is serious about crime.

“We have gotten tough on crime in Escambia County,” the sheriff said. “It is not business as usual for criminals in this county.”

“Getting out like this is a chance to meet the citizens of neighborhoods where crime is a problem to reassure them that we care,” Morgan said.

Morgan also made a stop at Escambia Grain — a community hub of sorts –  in Walnut Hill to talk to employees.

(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sowalk11.jpg)

(http://www.northescambia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/sowalk13.jpg)


Pictured top: Escambia County Sheriff’s Office Lt. Roger Grice, District 5 Commissioner Kevin White and Escambia Sheriff David Morgan walk Juniper Street in Walnut Hill Friday afternoon. Pictured inset: Morgan talks with Juniper Street residents.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 06, 2009, 11:34:52 AM
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/oparah-winfrey-to-explore-shootings-of-florida-parents-.html
'Oprah Winfrey Show' visits home where Florida parents were shot to death
posted by halboedeker on Oct 6, 2009 10:13:14 AM
Discuss This: Comments (0) | TrackBack (0) | Linking Blogs | Add to del.icio.us | Digg it

"The Oprah Winfrey Show" bills it as "one of the most heartbreaking stories in the news last summer."

On Wednesday's show, Winfrey will retell the story of Floridians Byrd and Melanie Billings, who were shot to death in their Panhandle home in July.

The Billings were known for adopting children with special needs. Nine children, between the ages of 4 and 11, were in the home when their parents were shot to death.

The Winfrey show said, "Our cameras go inside the home where the gruesome murders took place."

Ashley Markham, the Billings daughter, provides a tour. In the studio, Winfrey questions Markham, who has pledged to care for her siblings.

"The Oprah Winfrey Show" airs at 4 p.m. weekdays on WFTV-Channel 9.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 11, 2009, 02:08:17 PM
http://www.oprah.com/media/20090924-tows-ashleys-life-florida

(video from Oprah show)

http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahshow/20090924-tows-billings-florida-murder


Investigating the Billings Murders
Melanie and Bud Billings
One moment, they were sleeping peacefully in their Florida home. The next, they were innocent victims of a methodical murder plot.

On July 9, 2009, gunmen broke into Melanie and Byrd "Bud" Billings' home and killed them while they lay in bed. Bud was shot six times, and Melanie took five bullets to the chest, face and head.

Melanie and Bud weren't the only ones at home that night. Nine adopted children with special needs, members of the Billingses' large, loving family, were sleeping nearby.

Ashley Markham, their 27-year-old daughter who lives outside the home, remembers the day vividly. "I called the house about 7:30, and that's when Jacob answered," she says. "Jacob was very distraught."

Then, Jacob, Ashley's 10-year-old adopted brother with Down syndrome, handed the telephone to his autistic sister, Adrianna, who told Ashley their parents were laying on the floor.

Confused and scared, Ashley called 911 while she drove to her parents' house. "I remember pulling up outside the fence, and the yard was taped off," she says. "There were so many police officers, and nobody knew what was going on."

Further investigation led to a chilling discovery. The security cameras Melanie and Bud had installed to watch over their adopted children caught the moments before the murders on tape.

Before July 2009, Melanie and Bud were best known in Pensacola, Florida, as a generous, good-hearted couple who opened their home to children with severe disabilities. Now, their tragic deaths haunt the community and the children they left behind.

Ashley says she and her siblings are getting by day by day and hour by hour. "[The children are] very resilient," she says. "There are issues every day. Somebody has a different issue, different problem, and we just kind of deal with it how we can."

After her parents were found dead, Ashley and her husband of two years, Blue Markham, took over parenting duties for her nine adopted siblings, which fulfills a promise Ashley says she made to her mother years ago.

"She would talk about it to us. 'If something were to happen, make sure my babies are taken care of. Make sure they're all kept together,'" Ashley says. "I told her, 'Well, you never have to worry about that.'"

Ashley and Blue now live in her parents' home and sleep in the same room where they were gunned down.

"When we came back to the house, it was very difficult for either of us to sleep in here," she says. "We changed the comforters out and changed the mattress out, and I just developed a certain sense of peace, almost like her telling me: 'It's okay. You can do this.'"

In just a few months, Ashley and Blue have adapted to their new routines. Ashley wakes up before dawn to care for each child before heading to her full-time job. All nine children require specialized medical care. Emma, the baby of the family, has Down syndrome and must be fed through a feeding tube. Katie and Nicholas take seizure medication, while Ricky takes an anti-psychotic medicine, which helps with his behavioral problems.

When she gets overwhelmed, Ashley draws strength from her mother's memory. "I feel like she's right next to me, pushing me to go on," she says. "I feel like her strength is in me to keep me going, because I know I have to."

The ongoing murder investigation has led to eight arrests, but Ashley is still searching for answers. She says she asks herself every day why someone would want to kill her parents. "They were good people," she says. "They did wonderful things."

Sheriff David Morgan, the man leading the Billingses' murder investigation, says the killers' motive was money. "It was a robbery," he says. "We believe that they garnered some information through business contacts that they thought possibly that, sadly, the Billings family would be a good family to rob because Mr. Billings was a very successful businessman in town."

There is also speculation that the suspects in custody may have connections to the Mexican mafia. "We have not taken anything off the table," Sheriff Morgan says.

One thing Sheriff Morgan says he does know for sure is Melanie and Bud are not, nor will they ever be, the subject of an investigation involving their murders. "[Mr. Billings] had the misfortune, I repeat, the misfortune, of doing some business with some people that were very bad," Sheriff Morgan says.

To date, all eight suspects have pleaded not guilty, but Sheriff Morgan says they have an excellent case against these individuals. "We're also building information on some additional suspects," he says.

(http://images.oprah.com/images/tows/200909/20090924/20090924-tows-ashley-billings-290x218.jpg)




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 11, 2009, 02:18:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zlALKDBuBc8&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 12, 2009, 01:19:26 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/zlALKDBuBc8&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0&color1=0x3a3a3a&color2=0x999999&border=1



Cece, thanks for posting this video.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 12, 2009, 01:36:10 PM
LPG Jr's attorneys are excused due to a conflict of interest.

Source: http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_4385.shtml

************************************

"The alleged mastermind of the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings will soon be appointed a new lawyer.

Today, a judge allowed two attorneys to remove themselves from representing Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.

Rick Hill and Elton Killem cited a conflict involving one of the witnesses in the case.

The judge says he will appoint a private attorney for Gonzalez.

But, who that will be or when the appointment will be made has not been determined.

Gonzalez and six others are charged with first degree murder for allegedly shooting and killing Byrd and Melanie Billings inside their Beulah home on July 9th.

The state attorney's office says it should not delay the case.Judge To Appoint Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr A New Attorney"


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on October 13, 2009, 10:22:35 PM
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/usworld/news-article.aspx?storyid=146542&catid=6


PENSACOLA, FL -- Prosecutors will seek the death penalty for four men charged in the July home-insvasion killings of a Panhandle couple known for adopting numerous children with special needs.

State Attorney Bill Eddins announced Monday he will seek the death penalty against alleged ring leader Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, Air Force Staff Sgt. Donnie Ray Stallworth, 28, Wayne Thomas Coldiron, 41, and Frederick Lee Thornton Jr., 19.
Another man and a 16-year-old boy have pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder. A woman has pleaded not guilty to accessory to first-degree murder.

The group is charged in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The couple were shot to death in their home as some of their nine adopted children with varying special needs watched and listened.

 





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 22, 2009, 08:55:15 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7734

Patrick Gonzalez booked for battery (updated)
October 22 2009
The Escambia County Sheriff’s Office website shows that Patrick Gonzalez has been charged with aggravated battery. We’ve requested the arrest report.

From arrest report:
Kevin Dale Wilkins is housed in the cell adjacent to Gonzalez. According to Wilkins, on Sept. 26, Gonzalez had permission to leave his cell and use the telephone. Gonzalez asked Wilkins to hold some paperwork for him. When Wilkins refused, Gonzalez stabbed him with a pencil in the upper left shoulder as he passed Wilkins’ cell. When he returned from using the phone, Gonzalez stabbed him again in the same are. Detention Deputy on duty saw the second stabbing and intervened.

Wilkins is a black male awaiting trial for sexual assault. He has been in jail since 8/31/09.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 22, 2009, 08:56:14 PM
http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7729

Thoughts on Mexican Mafia
October 22 2009
Today the daily newspaper published the interview with Silvano Gonzalez, that we posted on this blog on Monday. Based on that interview, the paper reports “Mafia theory falls flat in Billings murder case.” I don’t know if the Mexican Mafia is involved in the murders of Bud and Melanie Billings.

I do know that several of the witnesses and suspects mentioned the Mexican mafia. Several that I’ve interviewed are scared to death of them.

Patrick Gonzalez mentioned them to Chief Deputy Bill Chavers. Tice brings it up in his interview. Then in August, Silvano Gonzalez tells investigators he made it all up.

But why did Tice mention the Mexican mafia if it had nothing to do with Billings case? Tice also tells investigators about Jose Sanchez, who Tice is a used car dealer and money launderer. He tells that he threatened Sanchez, who Tice also claimed was trying to destroy his ex-wife and son’s car business in Foley. “If you ever pull a gun on me, I’ll take it away from you and beat you to death with it.”

Is there a Mexican mafia in the Pensacola area? As I reported earlier, the Cancun Mexican Grill (Gulf Breeze) had direct ties to the Mexican drug cartels, according to testimony in the trial of Rogelio Galvan-Chavez. Chavez was convicted and sentenced to life imprisonment for conspiracy to distribute and possess with intent to distribute cocaine and methamphetamine, conspiracy to use a communication facility to commit a felony, concealing, harboring and shielding illegal aliens for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, and aiding and abetting the possession of a firearm by two illegal aliens.

The Sun Herald in Biloxi reported on the Mexican mafia in south Mississippi (read). Guns and Hugh Wiggins are mentioned in the article.

Not sure why the PNJ continues to diss any story angles beyond what the state attorney releases


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 22, 2009, 08:57:20 PM
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/stabbing-21850-charged-gonzalez.html

UPDATED: 'Mastermind' of Billings' murder accused of stabbing fellow inmate
October 22, 2009 4:22 PM
Pensacola News Journal
Leonard Gonzalez Jr., the man accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings, faces a new criminal charge of stabbing a fellow inmate with a pencil.

Kevin Dale Wilkins, 29, said that in late September he was housed in a cell adjacent to Gonzalez Jr. When Gonzalez Jr., 35, left his cell to use the telephone, he asked Wilkins to hold some paperwork.

Wilkins refused.

As Gonzalez Jr. passed by his cell, he stabbed Wilkins in the upper left shoulder, according to a copy of the arrest warrant.

But it didn’t end there.

Wilkins told an investigator that as Gonzalez Jr. returned to his cell, he stabbed him a second time in the same area, the warrant says.

A corrections officer witnessed the second stabbing and ran to the cells to intervene.

Escambia County sheriff’s investigator Alvin Johnston Jr. questioned Gonzalez Jr. on Oct. 8. Gonzalez Jr. refused to speak without an attorney present, according to the warrant.

Wilkins has been in the Escambia County Jail since his Aug. 28 arrest on a charge of sexual assault on a victim over the age of 12.

Gonzalez Jr. already faces the death penalty in the July 9 home invasion in Beulah that resulted in the murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings. He now faces an additional charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.

Gonzalez Jr. is scheduled for a Nov. 6 arraignment hearing before Circuit Judge Frank Bell in the Oct. 26 stabbing incident.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 22, 2009, 08:59:37 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091022/NEWS01/91022021

Gonzalez Jr. charged

Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 22, 2009

Leonard Gonzalez Jr., the man accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings, faces a new criminal charge of stabbing a fellow inmate with a pencil.

 
Kevin Dale Wilkins, 29, said that in late September he was housed in a cell adjacent to Gonzalez Jr. When Gonzalez Jr., 35, left his cell to use the telephone, he asked Wilkins to hold some paperwork.


Wilkins refused.


As Gonzalez Jr. passed by his cell, he stabbed Wilkins in the upper left shoulder, according to a copy of the arrest warrant.


But it didn’t end there.


Wilkins told an investigator that as Gonzalez Jr. returned to his cell, he stabbed him a second time in the same area, the warrant says.


A corrections officer witnessed the second stabbing and ran to the cells to intervene.


Escambia County sheriff’s investigator Alvin Johnston Jr. questioned Gonzalez Jr. on Oct. 8. Gonzalez Jr. refused to speak without an attorney present, according to the warrant.


Wilkins has been in the Escambia County Jail since his Aug. 28 arrest on a charge of sexual assault on a victim over the age of 12.


Gonzalez Jr. already faces the death penalty in the July 9 home invasion in Beulah that resulted in the murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings. He now faces an additional charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon.


Gonzalez Jr. is scheduled for a Nov. 6 arraignment hearing before Circuit Judge Frank Bell in the Oct. 26 stabbing incident.




Next PageundefinedPrevious Page


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: kc1234 on October 22, 2009, 09:04:27 PM
Wish they had an interpreter for this one:

http://ricksblog.biz/?p=7700

Tice creditor claims Mexican mafia a hoax
October 19 2009
The State Attorney’s Office released today more documents and DVDs of the interviews with suspects, persons of interest and witnesses – 36 CDs and DVDs.

Among the documents is an interview with Silvano Gonzalez, the former Hispanic-American Auto Sales employee who Cab Tice said gave him $20,000 as a loan from the Mexican Mafia. Gonzalez tells investigators that he made up the Mexican Mafia connection to pressure Tice to repay the loan.

The interview is a mess. Gonzalez jumps around and isn’t very clear about his relationship with Tice, Patrick Gonzalez or Bud Billings. He doesn’t seem to understand the questions and at times appears to be evasive.

Read Silvano… the pdf isn’t the clearest. Will try to upload a better copy in the a.m.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 28, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091028/NEWS01/910280337
Long Wiggins asks judge to lower $500,000 bond
Request to he heard Tuesday for suspect in Billings case

Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 28, 2009
Pamela Long Wiggins wants out of jail.

A central figure in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings has asked a judge to reduce her half-million-dollar bond.

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker will hear the request at a hearing next Tuesday, his assistant said.

Long Wiggins was arrested July 15 after investigators found her and her husband in Orange Beach, Ala., aboard her yacht, The Classy Lady.

She is accused of providing a van for the seven suspects in the deadly July 9 home invasion to transport guns and a safe from the Billingses' Beulah residence.

Long Wiggins, a real estate agent and antique mall owner, buried the safe in the backyard of her Gulf Breeze home, according to arrest papers. She and her husband, Hugh, took several guns used in the robbery to Mississippi, according to statements he made to investigators.

In an agreement with the State Attorney's Office, Long Wiggins gave a statement and was released on $10,000 bond on an accessory after the fact to a robbery charge. She remained free until the charge was upgraded to accessory to murder.

A judge increased her bond to $500,000 on Aug. 17 and she remains in Escambia County Jail.

In the request to reduce Long Wiggins' bond, attorney Patrece Cashwell said that Long Wiggins is not a flight risk and has strong community ties.

"The defendant was out on bond until Aug. 11, 2009, and was in close contact with her attorney," Cashwell wrote. "She made all court appearances."
Two friends of the Wigginses' testified that they overheard conversations shortly after the murders that led them to believe that the couple were ready to flee the Pensacola area.

At that August hearing, Circuit Judge Frank Bell expressed "a lot of concern" over Long Wiggins' potential flight risk.

Her husband received limited immunity for providing investigators with extensive information that led to eight arrests. He has not been charged with a crime.

Cashwell also complained that her client, who previously underwent a gastric bypass procedure, has health concerns.

"Due to a previous medical procedure, she requires a specific diet which she is not receiving while incarcerated," Cashwell wrote. "This can result in anemia, kidney and intestinal damage. She is suffering ... and losing her hair."

Jail officials could not be reached Tuesday to comment on the allegation raised in Long Wiggins' motion.

Cashwell also complained that the state did not comply with requirements to provide evidence to her in a timely manner, the motion says.

Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille said his office addressed Cashwell's complaint the day she filed the Sept. 23 motion.

"There was a very short delay in providing some discovery," he said. "Our position that nothing she may not have received at that point would in any way delay that case from going forward."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on November 11, 2009, 10:25:18 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091107/NEWS01/911070320/1006/NEWS01/Billings-murder-suspect-enters-pencil-stabbing-plea
Billings murder suspect enters pencil-stabbing plea

From staff reports • November 7, 2009


A suspect in the July murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings made an appearance in court Friday on an unrelated assault charge.
Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 35, is accused of stabbing a fellow Escambia County Jail inmate twice with a pencil in late September. Gonzalez pleaded not guilty Friday to the charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. The maximum penalty is 15 years in prison.

Gonzalez faces a first-degree murder and other charges in the home invasion that resulted in the July killings. The state is seeking the death penalty.

His next court appearance in the pencil-stabbing incident is Jan. 6.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on December 04, 2009, 04:32:00 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091204/NEWS01/912040315

New face in Billings case
With Rimmer becoming judge, Molchan joins prosecution

Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • December 4, 2009



The promotion of a longtime assistant state attorney to a judgeship leaves an empty seat at the prosecution table in seven local murder cases, including that of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Gov. Charlie Crist on Tuesday appointed homicide prosecutor David Rimmer to a position vacated by Circuit Judge Kim Skievaski, who will retires in January.

State Attorney Bill Eddins has acted as the lead prosecutor in the Billings case with assistance from Rimmer.

Assistant State Attorney John Molchan will take Rimmer's place in the Billings case and also will handle most of the office's other murder cases as well, office spokesman Greg Marcille said Thursday.

"I'm privileged that Mr. Eddins has the confidence for me to jump in here and be a part of this case," Molchan said. "It's certainly going to be a challenge, and we'll do the best we can to make sure justice is done."

Molchan has worked for the State Attorney's Office since 1998. Before becoming a prosecutor, he served in the U.S. Navy Judge Advocate General Corps in Pensacola.

He's a graduate of St. Mary's University law school in San Antonio.

The seven charged with first-degree murder in the Billings case are next due in court on Jan. 6. The couple were killed on July 9 during an invasion of their Beulah home.

With Rimmer's departure, the State Attorney's Office has lost more than 40 years of combined experience within the past six months.

Former prosecutor John Simon was tapped by the governor in August to fill the vacancy created with the Judge G.J. Roark III retirement.

Rimmer worked in the State Attorney's Office for 27 years; Simon for 13.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on December 05, 2009, 03:47:08 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091202/NEWS01/912020326/1006/NEWS01/Prosecutor-David-Rimmer-is-appointed-circuit-judge

Prosecutor David Rimmer is appointed circuit judge



Longtime Pensacola prosecutor David Rimmer was appointed a circuit judge on Tuesday by Gov. Charlie Crist.

Rimmer, 61, has served as an assistant state attorney for the local, four-county First Judicial Circuit since 1982.

He has prosecuted numerous high-profile murder cases, including that of Derek and Alex King, the Cantonment boys convicted of killing their father in 2002.

Rimmer had been assigned to prosecute the eight suspects in the July slayings of Melanie and Byrd Billings. A new prosecutor has not yet been named.

He also served as a Pensacola police officer from 1971 to 1972 and an Escambia County deputy from 1972 to 1979.

He graduated from the University of West Florida and the Cumberland School of Law in Birmingham, Ala.

Rimmer could not be reached late Tuesday.

He will fill the vacancy created by the retirement of Circuit Judge Kim Skievaski.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on December 05, 2009, 04:05:38 PM
(http://sao1.co.escambia.fl.us/eddins2.jpg)
William "Bill" Eddins, State Attorney
http://sao1.co.escambia.fl.us/


(http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=265&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=8467849)

Pensacola Police traffic homicide investigator Brad Buddin, left, and Assistant State Attorney John Molchan


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on December 13, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20091213/OPINION/912130308/Editorial-Sheriff-we-need-to-talk

Editorial: Sheriff, we need to talk

It is easy for a community to surrender to the randomness, to give in to the circumstances, to brush away someone else's sheer bad luck when trying to come to grips with violent crime, especially murder.

We understand the frustration when someone asks: How can law enforcement stop the death of a man killed while sitting at a bar during a robbery? What can police really do when an argument escalates into a stabbing? Who on earth could have prevented a band of misfits from invading a home filled with special-needs children and slaughtering their parents?

But to think that way, to shrug one's shoulders while counting one's lucky stars, would be nothing more than community-surrender.

Escambia County saw 16 of its own murdered in 2009. That number is higher than our peer counties within Florida.
Related

To tens of thousands of people in Escambia County, these are problems far from their daily lives. Or so they believe, or want to believe.

Then, there is the let-them-kill-each-other crowd, a position hardly endorsed by the Pensacola Bay Area Chamber of Commerce, let alone the church.

In truth, we know that such problems are not so far away from any of us, and they cast a terrible shadow on our entire community.

Escambia County is becoming known as a dangerous community. We know the military is concerned when a young sailor is killed while jogging near Corry Field.

The good news is that there are things that can be done to lower the rate of violence.

In cities across the United States, there are crime prevention programs that are working. These are programs that target specific types of crimes, from drugs to shootings. They deal with pulling the entire resources of a community together to help law enforcement, for this is not law enforcement's problem alone.

They range from successful programs in smaller cities in North Carolina, to Nashville, where the once-troubled East Nashville section is now home for young adults, good restaurants and nightlife.

In Cincinnati, marked by anti-police riots just a few years ago, innovative crime fighting has drawn both results and community applause in the city's troubled Over-the-Rhine district.

Towns have crime marches in front of crack houses. Cities work to identify crime pockets, pushing entrenched crime from certain areas of the city — the old divide-and-conquer strategy. The federal government and universities have joined with law enforcement to think outside the traditional law enforcement arrest-and-lock-'em-up mentality.

As for Escambia County?

We don't know. The sheriff wouldn't talk to us about it.

It is bitterly ironic that a sheriff who was so offering of his time to national television to advance his so-called "Mexican Mafia'' theories with the Billings' murders will not comment on what's going on in Escambia County.



That is wrong.

David Morgan owes it to the community that elected him to tell its citizens what his department is doing, or not doing, to get the number of murders down.

We are saddened, but not surprised by Morgan's silence. The sheriff has developed a troubling history of not communicating well with the community when controversy follows: the department's problem with its K-9 unit, the sheriff's clumsily worded letter to the spouses of men who had been arrested for soliciting prostitutes, a tendency to place blame on the past sheriff and his continued cold shoulder to Escambia County Administrator Bob McLaughlin following a disagreement they had several months ago.

We expect innovative efforts from our Sheriff's Office. That is why this community elected Morgan, who was a fresh face on the local law enforcement scene, and a man who received praise from this newspaper for his personal door-to-door visits in areas affected by crimes.

Those things are what the public needs to know about.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on December 30, 2009, 03:58:48 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2009/12/family_of_slain_florida_panhan.html

Family of slain Florida Panhandle couple moves on
By The Associated Press
December 25, 2009, 12:00PM

(http://media.al.com/live/photo/billingsfamilyjpg-3a1da4da1956a77c_large.jpg)

PENSACOLA, Fla. -- A framed copy of a newspaper story dated Christmas Day, 2005, hangs on the wall near the kitchen inside the Billings' Beulah house.

The front page photo depicts a grinning family sprawled across the house's playroom floor. In the middle, surrounded by a swarm of smiling kids, Byrd and Melanie Billings beam with pride.

It is a snapshot of a life many people didn't understand. A life with a dozen adopted children, many with special needs. A life of challenges, to be sure, but also happiness.

A life that on July 9, tragically was cut short.

"Christmas was my mom's favorite holiday," said Ashley Markham, 27, as she sat at the kitchen table in her parents' Beulah home Monday.

Her mom loved to shop, she said, and relished in the annual opportunity to shower the kids with gifts.

It's a role that, this year, Markham is doing her best to fill.

In the living room, a dozen stockings hang from the mantel over the fireplace. A Christmas tree draped with flashy decorations towers overhead. The house is light and cheery, and, for the moment, surprisingly quiet. The dull drone of cartoons on the living room TV is the only noise. Sunlight pours in through broad picture windows, illuminating walls covered with wedding portraits and framed photos of happy family memories.

There's no sense that something terrible happened here.

"On the normal day, it's more of a distant memory," Ashley said.

The grisly details of what happened to Byrd and Melanie Billings in their home on July 9 played out in the national news. Five masked men wielding guns burst through the doors as some of the children slept upstairs. In the chaos that followed, Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot and killed.

The attackers escaped with a safe that contained only heirloom jewelry, children's medication and family paperwork not the stack of cash law enforcement investigators say they were seeking.

Eight people have since been arrested in connection with the crime. Seven face charges of first-degree murder.

The following months have passed in a blur, Ashley said. Meetings with lawyers. Talks with investigators. News conferences. Courtrooms. And the kids.

Always the kids.

It hasn't left anyone in the family with much time to think about what happened.

"In quiet times, I think about it more," she said.

She pauses, lost for a second in thought. But the moment doesn't last long.

In a flash, a swarm of kids, dogs and commotion arrives, flooding the room with chatter about toys, adventures and a newly built fort in the woods behind the house.

Ashley smiles.

"Normally it's pretty calm. They're really good kids. They're very well-mannered," she said. "They talk a lot, but what kids don't?"

In the weeks after the attacks, Ashley and her husband, Blue Markham, scrambled to take over care of nine children who lived in Byrd and Melanie's house.

At first, the kids stayed in the couple's home in Perdido and with family friends. But after a few days, the kids wanted to go home.

Ashley said she and Blue had no real choice but to go along for the ride.

"I've heard people say, 'How can they stay in the house?' But where else are we going to go?" Ashley said. "It's not every house that can be a home for nine kids."

The upside is that life for the kids has stayed, more or less, the same.

There are still birthday parties, bedtimes and the 5 a.m. chaos of getting nine kids dressed and out the door in time to catch the school bus.

"I've got it mastered to where I can get it down to an hour," Ashley said. "No one can do it as good as my mother, but I'm going to give it a shot."

The kids still talk about the "bad men" every once in a while, she said.

The four youngest kids, ages 4 to 7, don't really understand what happened. The five most severely disabled children may never fully understand.

But the older kids, ages 8 to 11, live normal lives. They know what happened. They know their mom and dad are dead. But why?

It's a question even the adults struggle to answer.

"How do you explain death to a child when you don't really understand it yourself?" Ashley said. "I know there's a heaven. I know everything happens for a reason. ... I don't know how to explain it to them."

As months have passed, the questions have tapered off. For the most part, the kids are doing well in some ways, they're doing better than Ashley.

"I think if I didn't have them, I probably wouldn't have gotten out of bed for three months," she said.

Ashley said the family was also aided by an outpouring of support from the community in the weeks after the murders.

As the story made national news, they received a wave of donations from people across the country, which have been used to establish a trust fund for the children.

"It was really an overwhelming thing to see," Ashley said.

Friends and families have stepped up, donating their time and providing emotional support.

"We really want to thank everyone in the community who has done so much for us. With the support we have, and the friends and family we have, I know it'll be OK."

The couple are trying to decide the best option to care for the children in the future. They have met with family counselors and experts, but for the moment, it's difficult to find time to think much past Christmas.

After a time of relative quiet in the house on Monday, Adrianna, 11, the oldest of the kids, began doing the holiday math in her head.

After a moment, she proclaimed "We've got three days left!"

Ashley thought about it for a second, then said "No, we've got four."

Adrianna groaned as her expression drooped.

But her disappointment didn't last long. About that time, Blue returned home from work and was greeted by an eruption of cheers, hugs and high-fives.

That's how things are in the Billings home.

The chaos has a way of forcing things forward, drowning out thoughts that would otherwise linger on the bad.

For a second, everything feels OK. And in that second, everything is.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on January 06, 2010, 11:24:33 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=13509

Year In Review North Escambia’s Biggest Stories Of 2009: July

January 2, 2010

NorthEscambia.com is looking back at 2009 with our “Year in Review” series. Each day, we will review the biggest stories of 2009. Today, we take a look at the biggest stories of July 2009.

Byrd and Melanie Billings were found dead in their Beulah home, setting off a series of arrests that captivated the nation. NorthEscambia.com was the first media in the nation to report that one of the suspects, Donnie Stallworth of Brewton, was in the military. As a result, NorthEscambia.com was mentioned on CNN, Fox and by United Press International (UPI), and we were linked to by Anderson Cooper and CNN, the New York Times, Huffington Post and MSNBC.

About two weeks after the Billings murders, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan sat down with just one media outlet — NorthEscambia.com — to talk about what life was like for him personally behind the scenes of the investigation.

snipped.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on January 06, 2010, 11:28:51 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20100105/NEWS01/1050319

Escambia sheriff demotes top deputy



Without explanation, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on Monday demoted a veteran deputy he appointed a year ago to be his second in command.

Bill Chavers oversaw the day-to-day operations of the Sheriff's Office as chief deputy and was in charge when Morgan was away.

Chavers' reassignment was announced in an office memo distributed Monday.

He was reassigned to captain and will serve as officer in charge of traffic, DUI and the Neighborhood Task Force. The memo also did not offer a reason for the change.

In the memo, Morgan thanked Chavers for his support and professionalism during his first year as sheriff.

"I believe that I speak for all us in stating that he is 'a street cop's street cop' and we all look forward to his success in the new assignment," Morgan wrote.

Morgan promoted Chavers, who was a lieutenant in the patrol division, to chief deputy after taking office in January 2009.

Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Sena Maddison said on Monday that Morgan had no further comment on the demotion and would not say if or when the chief deputy position will be filled.

The reassignment will mean a pay cut for Chavers, whose base salary will go from $120,000 a year to $103,530 a year.

Chavers could not be reached for comment.

Chavers has been a patrol officer, detective and motorcycle officer. He has been a law enforcement officer since 1974, when he joined the Pensacola Police Department. Chavers became a deputy with the Sheriff's Office in 1982.

The veteran deputy helped investigate the July murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The accused mastermind of the crime, Leonard Gonzalez Jr., 35, of Pensacola asked to talk to Chavers after being arrested.

Chavers and Gonzalez took karate lessons together in the 1980s.

It was in a July 22 investigative report filed by Chavers that Gonzalez Jr. claimed elements of the so-called Mexican mafia were involved in the killings of the Beulah couple.


When Morgan appointed Chavers to be chief deputy last year, the sheriff said he did so because Chavers was trusted among rank-and-file officers.

"They know he is an individual who can be depended on," Morgan said in November 2008.

After Morgan asked Chavers to be chief deputy, Chavers said it was his dream job.

"This is a career high for me," Chavers said in 2008. "It's everything that I have ever wanted. For me, this is the star on the tree."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on January 26, 2010, 10:50:46 AM
http://www.northescambia.com/?p=14110

Escambia Sheriff’s Office Presents Awards

January 24, 2010

A large number of the awards presented were to investigators, deputies and other sheriff’s office employees that worked on the investigation of the July 9 murder of Byrd and Melanie Billings in Beulah. Ashley Markham, the daughter of Byrd Billings, attended the ceremony along with her husband Blue Markham. Ashley Markham hugged and personally thanked each person involved in the investigation of her parents’ murders that resulted in the arrests of eight suspects within 118 hours.

snipped


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 13, 2010, 03:11:49 PM
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/murder-suspect-enters-no-contest-plea

Murder suspect enters no contest plea
Frederick Thornton to testify against suspects

Updated: Friday, 29 Jan 2010, 1:18 AM CST
Published : Thursday, 28 Jan 2010, 6:43 PM CST

    * Liz Nelson

A suspect in the brutal murders of a Florida Panhandle couple has decided to change his not guilty plea to one of no contest.

Frederick Thornton is one of seven men were arrested for the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings. The couple was found shot to death in their Beulah home back in July 2009.

Since Thornton has pleaded no contest, he must now testify against the other defendants in this case. The charges against him have been reduced from capital murder to second degree murder. The state agreed not to seek the death penalty against Thornton, but he could still get life in prison.

(http://media2.fox10tv.com//photo/2010/01/28/thornton_20100128104043_320_240.JPG)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 13, 2010, 03:15:18 PM
http://blog.al.com/live/2010/01/byrd_and_melanie_billings_murd.html

Byrd and Melanie Billings murder: Teen suspect pleads no contest, avoids death penalty

PENSACOLA, Fla. -- Frederick Thornton, a 19-year-old who is one of 7 people charged with first-degree murder and robbery in the death of Byrd and Melanie Billings, pleaded no contest this morning to second-degree murder, the Pensacola News Journal reports.

State Attorney Bill Eddins told the News Journal that prosecutors are no longer seeking the death penalty against Thornton, but that the Fort Walton Beach man still faces a possible sentence of life in prison.

Prosecutors accepted the no-contest plea to the lesser charge of second-degree murder after Thornton agreed to testify in the case, Eddins said.
The Billingses were killed July 9 in their Beulah home near the Alabama state line, authorities say, when 4 men, including Thornton, and a teenage boy invaded their home and stole a safe. Two suspects waited outside in getaway vehicles.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 13, 2010, 03:19:06 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20100128/NEWS01/1280322

Thornton pleads no contest

Frederick Thornton Jr., 19, entered the plea before Circuit Judge Nick Geeker.

He was initially charged with two counts of premeditated first-degree murder.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said prosecutors accepted the no-contest plea to the lesser charge of second-degree murder after Thornton agreed to testify against the other defendants in the case.

“It allows me to have a person who’s been honest, that was in the house with them, that knows what happened in the house, to explain it,” Eddins said.

snipped.
(http://cmsimg.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DP&Date=20100128&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=1280322&Ref=AR&MaxW=318&Border=0)
Frederick Thornton, Jr. left, and his attorney Cheryl Alverson, right, appeared before Circuit Judge Nick Geeker this morning. Thornton entered a plea of no contest to second-degree murder in the death of Byrd and Melanie Billings in July.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 13, 2010, 03:22:26 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/florida/article/billings_murder_suspect_changes_plea/684225/Jan-28-2010_5-21-pm/

Billings Murder Suspect Pleads ‘No Contest’

PENSACOLA, Florida - One of seven men accused of killing a Florida panhandle couple known for adopting special needs children is no longer denying he participated in the murders.

Five months after pleading not guilty, Frederick Thornton, 19, changed his plea in a Pensacola courtroom. State Attorney Bill Eddins agreed to not seek the death penalty in exchange for Thorton's "no contest" plea.

Thornton, who is not a US citizen, was charged with two counts of premeditated murder and one count of home invasion robbery. He pleaded to a lesser charge of second degree murder.

Byrd and Melanie Billings were shot to death July 9 in their Beulah home. Nine of the Billings' young children were inside the house when investigators say five men raided the home, stealing a safe and killing their parents. Two other suspects were waiting outside in the getaway van, according to police.

The home invasion was caught on tape by surveillance cameras inside the Billings' home.

Leonard Gonzalez, Jr, who investigators say was the mastermind behind the plot, is believed to be the person who pulled the trigger.

Leonard Gonzalez, Sr., Wayne Coldiron, Donnie Stallworth, Gary Sumner and 16-year-old Rakeem Florence are also charged in the case. All six suspects are in jail without bond.

An eighth suspect, Pamela Long Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime.

Eddins says he approached Thornton about the plea deal because he hopes Thornton’s testimony will help win convictions against the other suspects. According to Thornton's defense attorney, Thornton, who faces life in prison, is eligible to apply for youthful offender status.

Melanie Billings’ daughter, Ashley Markham, and several other family members were in the courtroom for the hearing. Eddins says he discussed the plea deal with them, and they support it.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on March 20, 2010, 04:04:50 PM
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/wiggins-26433-long-state.html

Suspect in Billings case in court for bigamy



Pamela Long Wiggins may have said one "I do" too many, but her attorney says she still shouldn't have been charged with bigamy.

In a motion to dismiss the charge against her, defense attorney Bruce Miller offers the argument that Florida law prevented Long Wiggins from marrying a second man while she was married to the first.

So, he's arguing, bigamy is actually legally impossible.

On March 9, Circuit Judge John Brown in Okaloosa County will consider a novel motion from Miller that claims the state filed an erroneous bigamy charge.

Long Wiggins, 48 of Gulf Breeze is charged as an accessory to first-degree murder in the Billings case. She is in Escambia County Jail under $500,000 bond.

She is accused of providing a van for the armed robbery by seven suspects at the Billingses' rural Beulah home on July 9.

Long Wiggins' friend, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 36, the alleged mastermind of the robbery, is accused of gunning down the couple.

He and five others are charged with first-degree murder and armed robbery. A seventh suspect, Frederick Thornton Jr., 19, of Fort Walton Beach pleaded no contest in January to second-degree murder charges and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors in the case.

While the murder case was under investigation, the state charged Long Wiggins with bigamy. Her trial was scheduled to begin March 15 but will likely be delayed, Assistant State Attorney Bridgette Jensen said.

In 2007, Long Wiggins married James Maulden in Baldwin County, Ala. The couple separated, and on Dec. 31, 2008, she married Hugh Wiggins.

Circuit Judge Michael Allen granted Maulden a divorce Nov. 13 in Escambia County.

Miller, a Shalimar attorney, has asked the judge to preclude Long Wiggins' marriage license, application to marry and certificate of marriage as evidence in a possible trial.

The six-page motion says since Long Wiggins had an outstanding marriage in the state of Alabama, her marriage to Wiggins in the state of Florida would not be officially recognized by the state and is void.

"The State has, apparently, taken the position that simply because a 'marriage certificate' was applied for and obtained and a ceremony conducted, the defendant 'married' Hugh Wiggins," Miller wrote in his motion. "A license and ceremony does not create a 'marriage.' "

Miller provides case law that he believes shows the state of Florida has long held that a bigamous union entered into knowingly is not a valid marriage under the state laws.

In a second motion to dismiss the bigamy charge, Miller wrote that "as a matter of law, the defendant's 'union' to Hugh Wiggins was not a 'legal union' and does not fall within the definition of 'marriage.' "

Miller cites the 2008 Proposition 8 ratification that defined marriage as the "legal union of only one man and one woman."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on April 24, 2010, 03:54:36 PM
Billings suspect was a follower
http://www.pnj.com/article/20100405/NEWS01/4050313/-1/special/Mark-O-Brien--Billings-suspect-was-a-follower

At first, Frederick Thornton Jr. said he had nothing to do with the attack on Melanie and Byrd Billings. He claimed he stayed outside their Beulah house, that he went there for a deal for some marijuana and didn't know that two people would be gunned down inside.

But then he told all, explaining that "my conscience" made him confess that he entered the house with a gun in his hand, although he didn't shoot anyone.

Lee Tyree had a different explanation for Thornton's change of story.

Tyree, an investigator for the Escambia County Sheriff's Office, had reviewed the videotape from cameras in the Billings house, which recounted the brutal assault on the couple with a long history of caring for children who had special needs.

Thornton was clearly visible despite the mask he wore.

"Once I told him that, he was like, OK, and then told me the whole story," Tyree told lawyers for Thornton's seven co-defendants.
A follower

Thornton now has told the lawyers the background to the July 9 attack, spending most of a day explaining how he became involved and reinforcing previous accounts that portray Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. as the unquestioned leader of the ring.

Thornton gave his testimony Feb. 17, coincidentally the day after he turned 20 in jail. He will remain there a long time; he pleaded guilty to two charges of second-degree murder, escaping a possible death sentence by agreeing to testify against his co-defendants.

A transcript of the interview was placed in court files last week as lawyers prepare for trials later this year. It's Thornton's most detailed account of the incident and some of the players in the case.

In the interview, Thornton comes across as a follower.

He quit high school in the 11th grade and lived in Fort Walton Beach, smoking marijuana daily and mixing Gray Goose vodka with juice. On the night of the killings, he was "a little lit," having smoked some pot about 30 minutes earlier, he said.

He said Gonzalez told him there would be $13 million in a safe in the house, but that Thornton's share would be only $100,000. Thornton said he didn't think that was fair, yet he participated anyway. He said Gonzalez told him some of the money would be put aside for future crimes.

Test' of heart

The attack on the Billingses wasn't Thornton's first outing with Gonzalez. A few weeks earlier, he and several others had gone to the home of a drug dealer they planned to rob.

"But the door was locked. So we turned around and went back and got in the truck and left," Thornton told the lawyers.

Still, Gonzalez didn't see the event as a failure.

"Patrick said it was a test to see — see where our heart was at," Thornton said.

Thornton, who had very limited experience with guns, said there was little preparation for robbing the Billingses. Gonzalez, a martial arts teacher, spent a minute or two showing him how to kick in a door and supplied him with black boots for the attack.

Thornton said he expected someone would make Byrd Billings open the vault that held the purported $13 million, and repeated again that there was no talk of killing anyone.
Getting caught

Days after the attack, Escambia County investigators were in Fort Walton Beach, asking questions and getting closer to identifying Gonzalez's accomplices. Thornton decided to tell his grandmother and aunt that he had been at the scene, but only for marijuana.

He and a co-defendant, Rakeem Florence, voluntarily went to authorities, but thanks to the videotape, Thornton's first account quickly fell apart.

As Tyree put it, "I explained to him ... 'I see what you do in the house. I know where you stand. I know which door you come in. I know what weapon you're carrying. You are in plain sight on that video.' "


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 22, 2010, 03:10:07 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101009/NEWS01/10090326/1006/news01/Gonzalez-Jr.-s-murder-trial-stays-put

Gonzalez Jr.'s murder trial stays put
Attorneys must try to find impartial jury in Escambia for accused gunman before moving trial elsewhere

The accused gunman in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings will wait to learn whether his trial will be moved from Escambia County.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. attended a brief hearing Friday that touched on the expansive media coverage of the murders and how it could affect jury selection scheduled to begin Oct. 25 in Pensacola.

Defense attorneys John Jay Gontarek and Randall Etheridge asked Circuit Judge Nick Geeker to move the two-week trial from the local judicial circuit, encompassing Escambia, Santa Rosa, Okaloosa and Walton counties.

But Geeker agreed with Assistant State Attorney John Molchan that the law requires attorneys to first try to select an impartial jury from the county in which the crimes took place. Only if that proves impossible is the trial moved elsewhere.
Related

    * Murder Suspect in Court

The Billingses were shot to death on July 9, 2009, during an invasion of their home in rural Beulah.

Their adult daughter, Ashley Markham, sat in the spectator section, near the back of the courtroom, during the brief hearing. She declined to comment afterward.

Gonzalez was seated in the jury box for the hearing. His wrists were shackled and bound to a chain around his waist.

In another matter, Geeker said he will allow the attorneys to submit questionnaires to potential jurors before they are questioned by attorneys for possible inclusion on the jury. The eight-question document asks whether the jurors have formed opinions about the case and whether they believe the death penalty is an appropriate sentence.

"It may help the court and the attorneys speed up the process," Gontarek said.

Gonzalez is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and with home invasion. He faces a potential death sentence.

Seven co-defendants also were charged with first-degree murder. Four are accused of going inside the house with Gonzalez; two others are accused of remaining outside in getaway cars.

Several of Gonzalez's co-defendants have said he as the triggerman. The couple's nine adopted children, all with special needs, were in the home.

Geeker also ruled Friday that the defense will not be allowed to introduce evidence that two defendants who entered into deals to testify against Gonzalez were involved in drug sales before their arrests in the murders.

Frederick Thornton, 20, and Rakeem Florence, 17, pleaded no contest to second-degree murder and home invasion and agreed to testify for the prosecution. Both entered the home and originally were charged with first-degree murder.

Thornton and Florence said they went to the Billingses' home with the impression that they were there for a robbery, not to murder anyone. Both admitted during depositions that they were involved in small-time marijuana deals prior to their involvement in the home invasion and murders.

(http://cmsimg.pensacolanewsjournal.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=DP&Date=20101009&Category=NEWS01&ArtNo=10090326&Ref=AR&Profile=1006&MaxW=318&Border=0)
Patrick Gonzalez Jr., right, a suspect in the murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings, talks with his attorney Randall Etheridge in the courtroom. Lawyers for Patrick Gonzalez Jr. were seeking a change of venue for the trial.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 22, 2010, 03:14:29 PM
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_11696.shtml

ESCAMBIA COUNTY  -  Jury selection is set to begin on Monday -- in the trial of Patrick Gonzalez, Junior.
   
He's the alleged mastermind in the Billings' murders.
The pool of potential jurors will start at 200 -- and will be whittled down to 12.
   
Gonzalez's trial is expected to last two weeks -- with the prosecution calling nearly 40 witnesses.
Byrd and Melanie Billings' daughter -- Ashley Markum -- is also expected to testify.
   
The state is seeking the death penalty.
Patrick Gonzalez Jr. Jury Selection Begins

Friday, October 22 2010, 02:27 PM EDT
(video at link)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 22, 2010, 03:18:31 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/florida/article/billings-murder-suspect-scheduled-to-stand-trial/1134013/Oct-21-2010_6-38-pm/

Billings Murder Suspect Scheduled To Stand Trial

by Jessica Taloney
Published: Thu, October 21, 2010 - 10:32 am CST Last Updated: Thu, October 21, 2010 - 6:38 pm CST
UPDATED News Five is inside the conference with attorneys as they prepare for the trial of Patrick Gonzalez, Jr.
Jessica Taloney Anchor/ Reporter
Jessica Taloney
PENSACOLA, Florida - 11:45 a.m.
The judge has allowed News Five inside the closed door conference.

State Attorney Bill Eddins says prosecutors will call 40 witnesses during the trial. Ashley Markham, Melanie Billings' daughter, will be the first witness to testify. Eddins told the judge he expects the state to take 2 1/2 to 3 days to present their case.

The jury will be selected from a pool of 100 potential jurors beginning on Monday.

11:15 a.m.
Attorneys involved in the high profile home invasion murder of a Beulah, Florida couple will meet behind closed doors this morning.

The attorneys will discuss last minute details for the trial of Patrick Gonzalez Jr., the first of seven men accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billing. Gonzalez, Jr.'s trial is scheduled to begin on Monday.

The Billings, a couple well known for adopting special needs children, were shot to death in their home on July 9, 2009. Nine of their children were in the house during the home invasion, but none of them were hurt.

Investigators have described Gonzalez Jr., 36, as the mastermind of the killings. In the weeks following the murder, Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan often said he beleived robbery was the motive, but nearly 800 pages of interviews and other discovery documents suggest the murder may have been a contract killing with ties to with MS-13, a violent gang with roots in Central America.

Florida State Attorney Bill Eddins is seeking the death penalty against Gonzalez Jr, and two other suspects, Wayne Coldiron, 42, and Donnie Stallworth, 29.

Two other men, Gary Sumner, 31, and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Sr., 57, are also charged with murder.

A teenager, Rakeem Florence, who was 16 at the time of the murder, and Frederick Thornton, 20, have pleaded guilty to second degree murder and will be called by prosecutors to testify in Gozalez, Jr.'s trial.

An eighth suspect, Pamela Long Wiggins, is charged as an accessory after the crime.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2010, 07:47:28 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101024/NEWS01/10240317/Gonzalez-s-bragging-likely-spawned-mafia-hit-rumors
Gonzalez's bragging likely spawned mafia hit rumors
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 24, 2010
It became a rumor that defined the darker side of an already dark event
The idea of the "Mexican Mafia" being involved in the Billings slayings arose out of Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr.'s initial interview with homicide investigators at the Escambia County Sheriff's Office. Not charged with a crime at that time, Gonzalez Jr. promised the deputies that the murders were a part of something more sinister.
"La Eme?" he said. "The Mexican Mafia?"
"Is that what he's involved in?" investigator Bobby Guy asked.
I just heard that he cleans money for them," Gonzalez Jr. replied.
The investigation revealed that Gonzalez Jr. — characterized in multiple interviews as a boaster and dishonest man — and Hugh Wiggins held recruitment meetings as early as a year before the murders took place, and they made the decisions while using images of gangland crimes to intimidate the others involved.
Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan took to the national airwaves and spoke of a possible contract killing and mafia connections.
A Sheriff's Office spokesman now says Morgan never publicly pushed a theory that the murders were somehow connected to the mafia.
"As to the 'Mexican Mafia' comments, the sheriff was only reiterating witness and suspect statements he had read and heard throughout the investigation," spokesman Sgt. Ted Roy said. "I don't recall the sheriff ever individually offering a theory on Mexican Mafia involvement to the media."
Asked via e-mail whether the sheriff believes the theory, Roy did not respond.
Gonzalez Jr. told investigators that a former Billings business associate, Henry "Cab" Tice, wanted to hire him to "whack" Byrd Billings on behalf of several disgruntled car dealers. The sheriff called Tice a "person of interest" in the murders, but he never was charged in the slayings.
A mafia connection came from an employee at Tice's now-defunct auto dealership.
Tice told investigators that Silvano Gonzalez had dealings with the "Mexican Mafia."
Silvano Gonzalez gave Tice a $20,000 loan and said he got the money from the Mexican Mafia. Silvano Gonzalez told an investigator he made up the mafia story thinking that Tice would not pay him back.
"You can check my account at the bank," he said. "I get my money ... but it's no Mexican Mafia. It's mine. I protect my money."


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 24, 2010, 07:49:23 AM
http://www.weartv.com/newsroom/top_stories/videos/wear_vid_11696.shtml

ESCAMBIA COUNTY  -  Jury selection is set to begin on Monday -- in the trial of Patrick Gonzalez, Junior.
   
He's the alleged mastermind in the Billings' murders.
The pool of potential jurors will start at 200 -- and will be whittled down to 12.
   
Gonzalez's trial is expected to last two weeks -- with the prosecution calling nearly 40 witnesses.
Byrd and Melanie Billings' daughter -- Ashley Markum -- is also expected to testify.
   
The state is seeking the death penalty.
Patrick Gonzalez Jr. Jury Selection Begins

Friday, October 22 2010, 02:27 PM EDT
(video at link)

Thanks for the updates Cece.   ::HelloKitty::
Should be interesting. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on October 25, 2010, 09:19:36 PM
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20101025/US.Florida.Couple.Slain.Trial/

Trial begins in Fla. couple ninja attack slayings
By MELISSA NELSON, AP
33 minutes ago

 PENSACOLA, Fla. — Jurors will start hearing the case Tuesday against a karate instructor charged with leading a group of men dressed as ninjas to rob an kill a wealthy couple while the couple's nine special-needs children cowered or slept nearby.

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 36, could get the death penalty if convicted of organizing the break-in at Byrd and Melanie Billings' home in a rural area near Pensacola on the night of July 9, 2009. A jury of 11 women and one man was selected and opening arguments were set to start Tuesday.

"I am happy they were able to pick a jury in one day and they didn't have to move the trial out of this area," said Andrea McDermott, a friend of Melanie Billings' for more than 30 years. McDermott sat in the front row a public-viewing room during the daylong jury selection.

Gonzalez wore arm and leg chains as he was brought into court. His defense attorneys asked that their desks be moved so that the roughly 200 potential jurors would not see the shackles. The wrist chains were later removed.

Two of Gonzalez's co-defendants are scheduled to testify against him, prosecutor Bill Eddins said. But he said none of the young children are expected to testify about what they saw in the home that night. They were not hurt.

Prosecutors say the couple was killed during a botched attempt to steal a cash-filled safe. Investigators have said Gonzalez required his alleged partners in crime to dress in the black ninja-like clothing for the attack.

Seven co-defendants have been charged with first-degree murder. Several could testify against Gonzalez and name him as the man who fatally shot Byrd Billings, who owned a company that financed used-car purchases.

Defense attorneys told potential jurors that Gonzalez was a married father of six and a longtime karate instructor who grew up learning martial arts at a karate studio in nearby Gulf Breeze owned by his stepfather and mother. Gonzalez and his wife taught self-defense to women and children and solicited donations from local businesses for their work.

Several potential jurors said they did not feel comfortable deciding if Gonzalez should live or die. One man told the court that he felt strongly the death penalty was a waste a taxpayers' money because of the lengthy appeal process.

Michelle Billings, the couple's daughter-in-law, said she was happy the 12 jurors and one alternate were seated in one day.

Ashley Markham, the couple's adult daughter, is expected to be among the first defense witnesses on Tuesday. She watched part of the jury selection on Monday but did not comment.

Gonzalez's attorneys have asked Circuit Judge Nicholas Geeker to move the trial out of Pensacola, saying extensive local and national media coverage has tainted the jury pool. They point to national appearances by Markham on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" and by Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan on CNN and other national television shows.

But Geeker ruled earlier this month that he must first try to seat a jury from the four counties he oversees before he considers relocating the two-week trial.

Gonzalez's attorney, John Jay Gontarek, said late Monday that his client was relaxed and positive about the trial.

Among the evidence expected to be presented is surveillance video taken from the sprawling home the night of the killings. The shadowy, time-lapse video shows armed intruders dressed in black barging into the couple's living room. Melanie Billings is seen protectively grabbing what appears to be a child.

The Billingses were fatally shot in their bedroom, where there were no video cameras. A safe that was taken from the family's home contained nothing of value, but a second safe that wasn't stolen had $164,000 in cash, court records show.

According to autopsy reports, Melanie Billings, 43, was shot twice in her chest, and in the face and head. Byrd Billings, 66, was shot multiple times in the head and legs.

The crime scene photos show dozens of bullet holes throughout the living room and bedroom and a trail of blood along the living room floor.

In his initial interview with investigators, Gonzalez suggested a group of car dealers with a grudge against Byrd Billings wanted him "whacked."

Gonzalez also told investigators that he and one of Byrd Billings' grown sons, Justin, had worked together as "enforcers" to get payments from people who had gotten behind.

The nine adopted children in the home, all between the ages of 4 and 11 at the time of break-in, have varying special needs ranging from Down syndrome to fetal alcohol syndrome and autism.

The silent surveillance video footage from the children's bedrooms shows two of the children remaining still during the break-in. A third is in her bedroom alone when the attackers arrive, and their van can be seen through her window. The girl walks to the window and appears to watch the men enter. The girl then gets back in the bed and pulls the covers around her. She gets up a second time before returning to bed and putting her head on the pillow as the tape ends.

Previously released records of interviews by sheriff's investigators show that one child told investigators that he heard a knock on the door and that "two bad men" said, "You're going to die, one, two, three" and then, "no way, no way."

The records show that child was sleeping in his parents' bed when they were killed.

The Billingses' adult daughter told Winfrey that she and her husband are raising the children in the home where their parents died.




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:09:17 PM
 ::HelloKitty::

Hi Trimm & SuzieQ.

In Session has been covering the trial today & completed their opening statements & have had several witnesses so far.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/26/money-was-murder-motive-prosecutor-says/

Money was murder motive, prosecutor says
Posted: 01:53 PM ET

Opening statements began today in the Florida v. Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. trial in Pensacola, Florida. State attorney Bill Eddins accused the defendant of killing the Billingses for millions of dollars he believed Byrd Billings kept in a family safe.

The prosecution says the 36-year-old defendant knew Byrd Billings casually and targeted the family to steal their money. Gonzalez is accused of fatally shooting Byrd Billings, 66, and his wife Melanie, 43, in their Beulah, FL home in July 2009.  Gonzalez Jr. is one of eight people arrested in connection with the killings. Gonzalez faces the death penalty in this case if found guilty.
(video at link)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/26/1891715/opening-statements-begin-in-fl.html

Daughter of slain Fla. couple testifies at trial

PENSACOLA, Fla. -- The adult daughter of wealthy Florida couple had a frantic telephone call with a younger sibling who was unable to talk as their parents were being killed by armed intruders, the woman testified on Tuesday.

Ashley Markham said the young boy with an undescribed disability could only scream into her cell phone. She told him to hand the phone to another of the couple's nine adopted children with special needs, a young girl. Markham said she told the girl to run to home to of a nurse who lived on the property and call for help.

"I had a missed call from my mom, I called back and Jake answered the phone. He wasn't saying anything thing he was just screaming. I was asking if he could just let me talk to mom and dad," Markham said.

Earlier Tuesday, a prosecutor told the jury the ringleader accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings was desperate for cash and hatched the plan in hopes of stealing millions from a home safe.

State Attorney Bill Eddins said in opening statements that Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 36, mistakenly thought Byrd and Melanie Billings kept millions at their home. Gonzalez faces a possible death sentence if convicted of killing the couple.

The Billings were known for adopting children with special needs ranging from Down syndrome to fetal alcohol syndrome. Markham and her husband are now raising the children, who ranged in age from 4 to 11 when their parents were killed.

Gonzalez's defense attorney told jurors the father of six was the victim of investigators' rush to arrest someone.

"This is going to be called a rush to judgment and arrest but thankfully not rush to judgment and a guilty verdict, that is why we are having a trial, attorney John Jay Gontarek said.

Among the evidence expected to be presented is surveillance video taken from the sprawling home the night of the killings. The shadowy, time-lapse video shows armed intruders dressed in black barging into the couple's living room. Melanie Billings is seen protectively grabbing what appears to be a child.

The Billingses were shot to death in their bedroom, where there were no video cameras. A safe that was taken from the family's home contained nothing of value, but a second safe that wasn't stolen had $164,000 in cash, court records show.

According to autopsy reports, Melanie Billings, 43, was shot twice in her chest, and in the face and head. Byrd Billings, 66, was shot multiple times in the head and legs.

The crime scene photos show dozens of bullet holes throughout the living room and bedroom and a trail of blood along the living room floor.

The silent surveillance video footage from the children's bedrooms shows two of the children remaining still during the break-in. A third is in her bedroom alone when the attackers arrive, and their van can be seen through her window. The girl walks to the window and appears to watch the men enter. The girl then gets back in the bed and pulls the covers around her. She gets up a second time before returning to bed and putting her head on the pillow as the tape ends.

Previously released records of interviews by sheriff's investigators show that one child told investigators that he heard a knock on the door and that "two bad men" said, "You're going to die, one, two, three" and then, "no way, no way."

The records show that child was sleeping in his parents' bed when they were killed.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:17:01 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101026/NEWS01/10260312/Billings-homicide-Gonzalez-was-broke-prosecutor-says

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. was broke.

That's why he hatched a plan to rob a man he believed held millions of dollars inside his Beulah home.

“He was married, had six children and he had no money,” State Attorney Bill Eddins said. “He was so broke that his mother had to buy him a car, which happened to be a big, red van.”

This came as part of Eddins’40-minute opening statement in the first trial in the July 9, 2009 murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

His business failing and his family’s well-being at stake, Gonzalez Jr., now 36, recruited six people to help him rob used-car dealer Byrd “Bud” Billings.

His folly was that he talked too much, Eddins said.

“The proof will show the defendant in this case was not the smartest person in the world,” he said.

Two witnesses – Tony Eisa and Lonnie Smith – testified that Gonzalez Jr. tried to recruit them to help in the robbery.

His father’s ex-wife Carol Brandt is also expected to testify that she was present when Gonzalez Jr. spoke about robbing the Billingses’ home.

Eddins’ often graphic opening statement detailed the months and days leading up to the robbery, murders and what happened inside the home the night the Billingses were executed.

“Gonzalez Jr. took the lead,” Eddins said.

Gonzalez Jr. and four of the men entered the house. He confronted Byrd Billings and demanded access to the safe and all of his money, Eddins said. Gonzalez Jr. shot Billings once in the leg.

Gonzalez Jr. put his arm around Byrd Blllings’ neck and placed the 9mm pistol to his head. They went into the master bedroom where Gonzalez Jr. continued to demand the money.

“Bud Billings wouldn’t tell him,” Eddins said. “He shot him in the cheek, at the foot of his bed in the bedroom. He was shot in the back of the head twice and executed.”

His wife stood in a hallway that led to the master bedroom’s closet. In her last minutes alive, she watched her husband die.

“She’s at the mouth of that hallway as her husband is being murdered in front of her eyes,” Eddins said.

Gonzalez Jr. turned his sights on Melanie Billings. He walked her in to the closet and began to demand the combination to the safe. When she said she didn’t know, he shot her in the face and twice in the chest as she fell backward, Eddins said.

Gonzalez Jr. is charged with two counts of first-degree murder and a single count of home invasion. If convicted, the jury could recommend the death penalty.

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker will preside over what is expected to be a two-week trial.

Defense attorney John Jay Gontarek called the arrest of his client “a rush to judgment.”

He said that his client was open with former Escambia County Chief Deputy Bill Chavers and tried to help figure out what happened to the Billingses. When the connection was made to the big red van and the robbery and murders, Gontarek said police immediately turned their sights on his client.

“That’s when they said, ‘red van,’” he said. “This is going to be a great movie script. A humdinger.”

The statement was a reference to Escambia County Sheriff David Morgan’s post-murder statements that the case was a “humdinger.”

Gontarek also implored the jury to give little weight to the testimony of witnesses Frederick Thronton and Rakeem Florence saying the youngest of the men involved in the robbery.

“They are admitted cold-blooded murderers,” Gontarek said. “They made a deal so they can try to get out of this. They’ll say whatever it takes against anybody to save themselves. That’s self-serving.”

Eddins noted that the two voluntarily turned themselves in to investigators in Okaloosa County where they lived and came clean.

“These young men are very credible and very remorseful,” Eddins said.

The Billingses' oldest daughter, Ashley Markham, was the first witness to testify.

She took the stand at 10 a.m., shortly after opening statements. She recalled briefly meeting Gonzalez Jr. when he came to talk to her father about a children's project Gonzalez Jr. was promoting.

Jury selection began at 10 a.m. Monday with attorneys for Gonzalez Jr. and prosecutors questioning some of the 100 potential jurors.

The 12 jurors and one alternate —­ 11 women and two men — were selected Monday after a day of questioning by attorneys.

Gonzalez Jr. faces capital counts of first-degree murder and one count of home invasion. If convicted, the jury could recommend Circuit Judge Nick Geeker sentence Gonzalez to death.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:20:00 PM
Slide show:
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=DP&Dato=20101026&Kategori=SPECIAL&Lopenr=10260802&Ref=PH

Link to live coverage:
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101026/GRAPHICS/101025004/Live-video-Gonzalez-trial



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:21:54 PM
Billings homicide trial: Witnesses refused to join robbery

http://www.pnj.com/article/20101026/NEWS01/101026006/Billings-homicide-trial-Witnesses-refused-to-join-robbery

Two men who refused to participate in the robbery of Byrd and Melanie Billings’ home said that Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. courted them in the months before the couple was killed.

Gonzalez Jr. visited his friend Tony Eisa at a home in Gulf Breeze. Eisa testified today.

“He was sweating, but he was up doing drugs and out of his mind,” he said. “He wanted me to be a getaway driver for him during a robbery.”

Gonzalez Jr. spoke of a walk-in safe with $130 million.

Eisa said he put his hand around Gonzalez Jr.’s neck and escorted him out of his house.

Gonzalez Jr. claimed that Byrd Billings laundered money and sold drugs to the Mexican mafia, claims that have never been justified more than a year and half after the murders.

On July 9, 2009, the day the Billingses were murdered, Eisa said he received eight to 10 phone calls from Gonzalez Jr., but he ignored them all.

Lonnie Smith spoke of similar overtures. During a meeting at a Pensacola Beach condo owned by co-defendant Pamela Long Wiggins, Smith said that Gonzalez Jr. and Hugh Wiggins discussed hiring him for a security job.

“It had something to do with taking a safe,” Smith said.

Similar to Eisa, Smith said he received several phone calls from Gonzalez Jr., but he didn’t answer them.

Gonzalez Jr.’s stepmother Carol Brant said that she was present during several discussions with her husband – also charged with murder in the case – about a robbery at the Billingses’ home.

“It was about a robbery,” she said. “He said the man there was messing with the little girls, he was dealing drugs and that he was cleaning money.”


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 26, 2010, 02:26:20 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101026/NEWS01/101026005/Billings-homicide-trial-Daughter-details-father-s-meeting-with-Gonzalez

Billings homicide trial: Daughter details father's meeting with Gonzalez

The woman who inherited the family business and is now the caretaker of Byrd and Melanie Billings’ nine adopted special-needs children was the first witness to testify today in the trial of the man accused of killing her parents.

Ashley Markham told of a meeting between her father and the man accused of killing him more than a year before the July 9, 2009, murders at his home in rural Beulah.

Byrd and Melanie Billings ran a used-car dealership and an auto financing company called WorldCo. Around May 2008, Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. met with Byrd Billings about becoming a partner in his struggling Pace karate studio.

“He casually came into the office,” Markham said. “He was talking about a karate program he was raising money for.”

Tabatha Gonzalez, the defendant’s wife, testified that Byrd Billings felt their now defunct karate studio was a “bad investment.”

Instead he gave Gonzalez Jr. a $5,000 cash donation to ProjectFIGHTBACK, a program he and his wife Tabatha founded to teach self-defense to children and women.

Gonzalez Jr. is charged with two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings. He’s accused of orchestrating an elaborate robbery of the couple’s home and other witnesses have said that he shot and killed the couple.

Tabatha Gonzalez and her husband did busy work for Pamela Long Wiggins, a Gulf Breeze real estate agent and antique mall owner. Long Wiggins is also tied to the botched home invasion as her maroon mini-van was used as a transport vehicle for the guns used in the robbery and the small safe taken from the Billingses’ home.

Terry Poff, Gonzalez Jr.’s mother, said that her son was struggling financially. She often gave him cash to make ends meet. She bought him the now infamous red van used in the robbery for $300 off of Craigslist.

“He was about to lose his vehicle,” she said, adding later, “He was trying very hard.”

Markham’s brief testimony touched on the night of the murders when she called her mother’s home. Her adopted brother Jake answered the phone.
“He was just screaming,” she said, holding back tears. “Adrianna got the phone from Jake. I asked her what was happening. I told her to run to April’s house and get April.”

April Spencer, a caretaker of the children who lived on the property, came into the house and found the couple shot to death.

Spencer, a registered nurse, pitched forward in her seat and wept as she described being led into the house by an 11-year-old girl and finding the couple shot to death in their bedroom.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on October 28, 2010, 01:10:45 AM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101027/NEWS01/101027002/Billings-homicide-Teen-details-home-invasion

Billings homicide trial: Teen details home invasion
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 27,

 He was 16 years old and promised a cut of $13 million stashed in a vault in the home of Byrd and Melanie Billings.


Rakeem Florence, now 18, the youngest defendant to enter the Billingses’ home the night the couple was shot to death, testified today about his involvement in the robbery that turned deadly.





Both he and co-defendant Frederick Thornton testified that Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 36, shot and killed the couple. Initially, both said the only plan was to take money.



The morning testimony from Florence detailed the weeks of planning meetings that preceded the July 9, 2009, home invasion that ended with the Billingses shot to death in their bedroom.


“Who was doing all of the talking?” Assistant State Attorney John Molchan asked.


“Gonzalez Jr.,” Florence said.


snipped>>>>>>>>>


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on October 28, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
http://www.pnj.com/article/20101028/NEWS01/101028004/Billings-homicide-trial-Gonzalez-guilty


Billings homicide trial: Gonzalez found guilty
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 28, 2010

The man accused of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings during a 2009 home invasion has been found guilty of two counts of first-degree murder.

A jury returned the verdict at 8:15 this evening in the trial of Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., 36.


He was charged with two counts of first-degree murder and home invasion. The murder charges carry a potential death sentence.


He was accused of planning and executing the robbery of the Billings’ home in rural Beulah on July 9, 2009. The deaths of the couple who cared for nine special-needs children garnered national attention.


The prosecution rested this morning after a long week of testimony. The defense quickly followed suit, calling no witnesses.


In closing arguments this afternoon, Assistant State Attorney John Molchan said that Gonzalez Jr. planned the heist and then shot and killed the couple in front of one of their children.


“There is no doubt Leonard Patrick Gonzalez was the man who had his hand on the gun, his finger on the trigger and fired the shot killing Mr. and Mrs. Billings on the night of July 9, 2009,” Molchan said.


The portrait of Gonzalez Jr. that emerged in the three days of testimony is one of a broke, failed businessman who saw an opportunity to assemble a crew of wannabe gangsters to rob a man he believed had a safe full of $13 million.


Byrd Billings and Gonzalez Jr.’s paths crossed on least one occasion when Gonzalez Jr. came to his used car lot to ask him to become an investor in his struggling karate studio in Pace. Billings turned him down, but gave him a $5,000 cash donation on the spot for a nonprofit self-defense program Gonzalez Jr. and his wife administered.


“The motive in this situation is greed – simple greed of the defendant who was flat broke,” Molchan said. “There’s only one man who knows the source of a man who can come up with $5,000.”


The state relied heavily on the testimony of two of the young men who assisted in the robbery. Frederick Thornton Jr., 20, and Rakeem Florence, 18, entered pleas to lesser second-degree murder charges and agreed to testify on behalf of the state. Both could see reduced sentences.
(2 of 2)



Thornton said that he saw Gonzalez Jr. shoot Byrd Billings in the legs and returned from the van to find Byrd Billings dead at the foot of his bed in the home’s master bedroom. He also testified that he saw Gonzalez Jr. standing at the mouth of a closet, his gun drawn on a screaming Melanie Billings. He heard four shots and no more sound from the closet.


“It’s all connected. The pieces all fit together, but they show an ugly story,” Molchan said.


During his closing argument, defense attorney John Jay Gontarek said there are missing pieces to the puzzle.


“There’s no doubt this is tragic, what happened to Mr. and Mrs. Billings,” Gontarek said.


“What would be equally tragic is if someone who is innocent is convicted and sent to prison and even executed.”


He decried the testimony of the two cooperating defendants saying that their interests only lie in helping themselves get out of prison. He called them liars because even after they turned themselves in to investigators, they initially lied saying they never entered the Billingses’ home.


“They lied to their mothers, their aunt, and their family members because they thought it was to their advantage to lie to get the heat off them,” Gontarek said. “Isn’t that a motive to lie by liars who lie to their family, lie to law enforcement and I think lie to you.”


Gontarek said there was a rush to judgment and that there was never a considerable examination of the other nine people arrested in the bloody aftermath of the July 9, 2009, robbery. He pointed to Hugh Wiggins and Gary Sumner, who were present at various stages of planning the heist.


Wiggins had an alibi and is charged only with an accessory charge in Mississippi for helping his wife Pamela Long Wiggins get rid of three of the guns used in the robbery. Wiggins worked on an oil rig and was offshore during the murders.


Thornton and Florence both testified that Sumner stayed in a sport utility vehicle and never entered the home during the robbery.


But Molchan said that it was Gonzalez Jr.’s van and witness testimony that he directed meetings, gave orders, doled out weapons and uniforms for the robberies and laid out plans of what would happen.


The state also noted that four unique guns were used during the robbery – a shotgun, a .357 rifle an AK-47 and a Springfield Armory 9mm pistol. The only bullet casings found in the home were 10 9mm casings.


Thornton and Florence both testified that it was Gonzalez Jr. who held the only pistol.


“The defense would like you to think that the defendant is goofy,” Molchan said. “He’s not goofy. He’s a murderer. Plain, cold-blooded murderer.”


Snipped>>>


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 29, 2010, 08:41:58 AM
 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Thanks for the good news, SuzieQ!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on October 29, 2010, 03:04:01 PM
Jury recommends the Death Penalty!!!

(vote:  10 - 2)


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on October 29, 2010, 07:49:24 PM
Billings homicide trial: Jury recommends death penalty
Kris Wernowsky • kwernowsky@pnj.com • October 29, 2010

A jury today recommended the death penalty for Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr., the man who conceived and carried out the July 9, 2009 robbery that ended in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker set a Dec. 9 sentencing hearing for the 36-year-old Gulf Breeze man. The hearing will be the final opportunity for attorneys to argue for or against the death penalty. The judge will then set a final hearing date where he will announce his decision.

A hush fell over the courtroom as the court clerk read the 10-2 recommendation that the former karate instructor and father of six be executed.

The family members gripped hands and looks of relief swept over their faces as the clerk announced the jury’s the decision.

Gonzalez Jr. only nodded.

Four jurors wiped their eyes with tissues as the decision was read. The jury consisted of 11 women and one man who served as the foreman.

Ashley Markham, the daughter of the Billingses and caretaker of the couple’s nine adopted special-needs children, made a brief statement to the press after the hearing. She did not answer questions.

“Although our wounds will heal, there will always be a scar,” she said. “We have all lived this nightmare together, but we have all witnessed the United States justice system work the way it was installed.”


State Attorney Bill Eddins, who prosecuted the case along with Assistant State Attorney John Molchan, said they were pleased with the outcome of the case, but said they were limited in what they could say as many of Gonzalez Jr.’s co-defendants have yet to go to trial.


“I hope to put him to death,” Eddins said. “I join with Judge Geeker saying we live in a society and a world where violence — bad, terrible violence is ever increasing. This is just one example of that. It’s sad to me to see that. I see no end.”


Defense attorneys John Jay Gontarek and Randy Etheridge also commented on the recommendation.


“We’re disappointed,” Etheridge said. “We’ve got two more hearings to go.”

http://www.pnj.com/article/20101029/NEWS01/101029004/Jury-recommends-death-penalty-for-Billings-shooter




Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: trimmonthelake on October 29, 2010, 08:50:01 PM
Thanks for the updates.   ::MonkeyCool::   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on November 02, 2010, 11:57:01 AM
Thanks for the updates.  May justice prevail!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: SuzieQ on January 11, 2011, 05:19:20 PM
http://www.wkrg.com/alabama/article/billings-murder-opening-statements-in-second-trial-underway/1203943/Jan-11-2011_11-40-am/

Billings Murder: Testimony Begins In Second Trial

by Jessica Taloney
Published: Tue, January 11, 2011 - 9:43 am CST
Last Updated: Tue, January 11, 2011 - 11:40 am CST
 
Testimony began Tuesday morning in the murder trial of Wayne Coldiron, the second of seven men to stand trial for the home invasion murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The victims' adult daughter, Ashley Markham, was the first witness called to testify. Markham explained that surveillance cameras inside her parents' home were installed to watch the special needs children who were adopted by the Billings.

Markham, who at the time lived in Perdido with her husband, recalled the night of July 9, 2009, telling jurors she learned about the home invasion and murders when she tried to call her mom and instead one of her special needs brothers answered the phone. "He was very frantic and screaming into the phone," Markham told the jury.

April Spencer, a nurse who lives on the Billings' property, testified that one of the Billings' daughters ran to her house to get help.

"When she came to the door she was just pounding and pounding and pounding on the door," said Spencer, who testified that she then went to the Billings' house and found Byrd and Melanie Billings lying dead in their master bedroom.

9:45 a.m.
Opening statements are underway in the murder trial of Wayne Coldiron, the second of seven men to stand trial for the home invasion murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

The Billings, a couple well known for adopting special needs children, were shot to death in their home in Beulah, Florida on July 9, 2009. Nine of their children were in the house during the home invasion, but none of them were hurt.

Assistant State Attorney John Molchan began his opening statement explaining how Patrick Gonzalez Jr., who was convicted in October, brought together a "gang" of seven men to execute the robbery and murders. "The robbery was designed with maximum shock and awe," Molchan told the jury.

Molchan acknowledged that Gonzalez Jr., 36, was the triggerman who killed Byrd and Melanie Billings but said Coldiron, 42, was an active particpant, carrying a 357 pistol into the home.

During the defense's opening statement, Coldiron's attorney did not dispute Coldiron's participation but described him as a late participant who became involved weeks after the others. Coldiron's attorney also described the former day laborer as fearful. "He had no way out," the defense attorney told jurors, trying to convince the jury that Coldiron believed he'd be killed if he backed out of the home invasion. "He was pulled into something on July 9th. He was pulled into something he didn't want to be involved in," the attorney said.

Melanie Billing's adult daughter, Ashley Markham, is expected to be among the first witnesses to take the stand when testimony begins later today. Two other defendants, who admitted to entering the home armed with guns, are also expected to testify. Rakeem Florence, 18, and Frederick Thornton, 20, were allowed to enter pleas to lesser charges of second-degree murder in exchange for their testimony against their co-defendants.

Coldiron faces mandatory life in prison sentences if convicted of two counts of first-degree murder. Escambia County Circuit Court Judge Nick Geeker will decide on February 17 whether to accept a jury's recommendation to sentence Gonzalez Jr. to death.

Donnie Stallworth, 29, the fifth person accused of entering the house, is scheduled for trial on first degree murder charges on February 28.

Gary Sumner and Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Sr., who investigators believe were the getaway drivers, still face trial.





Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on January 11, 2011, 09:53:59 PM
Thank you for the update, SuzieQ.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:19:32 PM
Sentencing expected in Gonzalez murder case
2011-02-17 / News

http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2011-02-17/News/Sentencing_expected_in_Gonzalez_murder_case.html
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article or if brief as this one was, only title and article.  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:22:10 PM
First Billings suspect to be sentenced

Updated: Thursday, 17 Feb 2011, 11:56 AM CST
Published : Thursday, 17 Feb 2011, 11:06 AM CST

    * Hubert Tate

PENSACOLA, Florida (WALA) - A suspect in the high profile murder case of Byrd and Melanie Billings will be sentenced Thursday afternoon.

A jury recommended death for Leonard Patrick Gonzalez, Jr. in late October. The trial lasted four days and it took jurors just over four hours of deliberations to reach a verdict. The jury found Gonzalez, Jr. guilty on two counts of first degree murder and guilty of home invasion robbery.

 ::snipping2::


Judge Nick Geeker will give the sentence at 1:30 p.m. FOX10 News Reporter Hubert Tate is inside the courtroom.

http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/crime/billings-first-suspect-to-be-sentenced
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article.  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:24:23 PM
Judge to finalize sentence in ninja slaying
 
The Associated Press

PENSACOLA, Fla. -- A judge is expected to issue the final sentence for the convicted ringleader of a deadly ninja-style attack on a Panhandle couple.

In a hearing Thursday afternoon, Judge Nickolas Geeker will say whether he agrees with a jury's recommendation that Patrick Gonzalez Jr. be executed for the slayings of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

 ::snipping2::

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/02/17/2071810/judge-to-finalize-sentence-in.html


Edit to snip article.  Please post only partial articles.  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:28:29 PM
Sentencing set for today in Billings murder case

Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. today is scheduled to find out whether he'll face execution in the deaths of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

Circuit Judge Nick Geeker scheduled sentencing at 1:30 p.m. at the M.C. Blanchard Judicial Building in Pensacola.

 ::snipping2::

The Pensacola News Journal will carry a live feed of the sentencing at www.pnj.com.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20110217/NEWS01/102170312/1006/NEWS01/Sentencing-set-for-today-in-Billings-murder-case
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:51:43 PM
(http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww328/seasidecece/Gonzalezsentencing.jpg)

GONZALEZ SENTENCED TO DEATH!


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:55:02 PM
Death sentence for Gonzalez in Billings homicides

A judge sentenced Leonard Patrick Gonzalez Jr. to death sentences in murders of Byrd and Melanie Billings.

 ::snipping2::

State Attorney Bill Eddins and Assistant State Attorney Greg Marcille represented the state.

The Billingses' daughter Ashley Markham and her husband Blue, who care for the slain couple’s nine adopted special-needs children, are in the court. Ashley Markham is expected to make a statement after the hearing.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20110217/NEWS01/110217011/Death-sentence-for-Gonzalez-in-Billings-homicides

Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article.  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 02:58:10 PM
Published: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:42 pm CST Last Updated: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:45 pm CST
A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple.
PENSACOLA, FL - A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple. In October, a jury found Gonzalez, Jr. guilty of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/patrick-gonzalez-jr.-sentenced-to-death/1204853/Feb-17-2011_1-45-pm/
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article.  MB


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2011, 03:02:15 PM
NOTICE:

Red has asked me to ask all of us in the forum NOT to copy and paste entire articles from sites, just post the link and PART of the article.  TIA.



Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 03:03:15 PM
Soooooooo sorry Muffy Bee!   It's been so long since I posted, guess I've missed a lot.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2011, 03:07:43 PM
Soooooooo sorry Muffy Bee!   It's been so long since I posted, guess I've missed a lot.

You might want to go to the Forum Rules and read over them, because there have been some recent changes.

FORUM RULES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8844.0

AND

IMPORTANT TO READ
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9451.msg1303911#msg1303911


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 03:33:12 PM
Thanks MuffyBee.  And again, I'm so sorry for any trouble I've caused because of my posts & I appreciate the heads up & your corrections.


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: cece on February 17, 2011, 03:37:39 PM
Billings Home Invasion Murders: Wayne Coldiron Gets Life in Prison for Slaying Fla. Couple

January 18, 2011 12:47 PM

An Escambia County judge sentenced Coldiron to two life terms Friday after a jury found him guilty of slaying Byrd and Melanie Billings during the July 9, 2009 attack.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20028744-504083.html

 ::snipping2::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: MuffyBee on February 17, 2011, 06:44:41 PM
Thanks MuffyBee.  And again, I'm so sorry for any trouble I've caused because of my posts & I appreciate the heads up & your corrections.

YW cece.  It's taking a  little while for everyone to become aware of the changes.    ::MonkeyWink::   Thank you for posting the updates. 


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: islandmonkey on February 17, 2011, 07:32:04 PM
Published: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:42 pm CST Last Updated: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:45 pm CST
A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple.
PENSACOLA, FL - A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple. In October, a jury found Gonzalez, Jr. guilty of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/patrick-gonzalez-jr.-sentenced-to-death/1204853/Feb-17-2011_1-45-pm/
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article.  MB
I watched it and he sentenced him in under 2 minutes........sorry, but I am happy about it and loved the in your face sentencing with no time for any BS either ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Fla. couple who adopted 12 children found slain
Post by: Sister on February 18, 2011, 06:34:02 AM
Published: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:42 pm CST Last Updated: Thu, February 17, 2011 - 1:45 pm CST
A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple.
PENSACOLA, FL - A Pensacola judge has sentenced Patrick Gonzalez Jr to death for his role in the murder of a local couple. In October, a jury found Gonzalez, Jr. guilty of killing Byrd and Melanie Billings.
 ::snipping2::

http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/patrick-gonzalez-jr.-sentenced-to-death/1204853/Feb-17-2011_1-45-pm/
Edit to snip article.  Please post only link and partial article.  MB
I watched it and he sentenced him in under 2 minutes........sorry, but I am happy about it and loved the in your face sentencing with no time for any BS either ::MonkeyKiss::
islandmonkey, I am thrilled.  There was a time when I was against the death penalty.  No more.  Although I don't think it is a deterent, it is a deterent for the one convicted.  This POS should never see the sun shine or the moon rise again.  He gave up his rights to everything for money . . . now money can't buy anything.