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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:32:59 PM



Title: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:32:59 PM
I would appreciate if Monkeys could refrain from posting in this thread until I have posted the entire document.

Thank You.

Janet


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THE LINDSEY BAUM CASE – TIMELINE

Friday, June 26, 2009:  8:15 PM – 9:30 PM


01.  MCCLEARY VIDEO
02.  THE BAUM RESIDENCE
03.  THE ARGUMENT
04.  THE INTERVENTION
05.  THE BIKE?
06.  THE KAMPEN RESIDENCE
07.  THE SHORT WALK HOME - WITNESSES
08.  WHERE IS LINDSEY!
09.  RUNAWAY THEORY
10. IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:35:33 PM
01.  MCCLEARY VIDEO

Lindsey Baum is observed at the McCleary Video with a group of friends.

Linda Cunningham

The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


KaKara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:37:29 PM
02.  THE BAUM RESIDENCE

After leaving McCleary Video … Lindsey Baum returns home to change.

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:40:14 PM
03.  THE ARGUMENT

After changing clothes …  Melissa Baum sets out with her brother and friend on a four block walk to friend’s home.  Somewhere along the route … an argument erupted.

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1660 on: July 08, 2009, 09:00:55 PM »


Re: The Bike - The bike did not have a chain on it so it couldn't be ridden. Lindsey wanted Josh to take it home but she was the one who took it from the house and was pushing herself around on it so he felt she should have to take it back. That is what the fight was over.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870452#msg870452


Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:42:30 PM
04.  THE INTERVENTION

Did the argument between Lindsey and her brother escalate to a such a degree that a family friend felt compelled to intervene?

Melissa Baum

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1936 on: July 10, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
»

The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:44:05 PM
05.  THE BIKE?

Obviously LE considered the argument between Lindsey and her brother of little importance in the big picture of events encompassing the investigation into the disappearance of the little girl.

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


… The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870434#msg870434



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:49:23 PM
06.  THE KAMPEN RESIDENCE

Lindsey Baum was not granted the anticipated permission that would have allowed her  to spend the night with her friend Michaela.

Kara Kampen

Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911


Melissa Baum

ABC News – June 30, 2009


When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night,  Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen

The Daily World – July 3, 2009


Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Scott Williams

KOMO News – June 28, 2009


The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:54:32 PM
07.  THE SHORT WALK HOME - WITNESSES

Witnesses observed Lindsey Baum on the Maple Street route  within two blocks of her home on the night she disappeared.

KOMO News – June 28, 2009

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


Melissa Baum

ABC News – June 30, 2009


When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen

KING5 News – June 29, 2009


Michaela Campen is the last person known to have seen Lindsay. The girls were at Michaela's home around 9:30 Friday night, hoping Lindsay could sleep over.
"I told her you need to head home, it's getting dark soon, a half hour of light left.  She put on her shoes and headed home," said Kara Campen.
Lindsay was alone for that nearly half-mile walk.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31598435/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/
 

Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

 
When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily Word – July 2, 2009


Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 01:58:34 PM
08.  WHERE IS LINDSEY!

Following her childrens’ curfew time of 10:00 PM … Melissa Baum became concerned that her daughter had not returned home and ... acted accordingly.

Melissa Baum

KING5 News – June 29, 2009


Her mother called police shortly before 11:00 Friday night to report her missing.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31598435/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/


Melissa Baum

ABC News – June 30, 2009


"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 02:02:04 PM
09.  RUNAWAY THEORY

According to Lindsey Baum’s mother … her little girl was afraid of the dark.  As dark was quickly closing in at 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009 … would Lindsey have diverted from the Maple Street route and make a sudden decision to runaway within two blocks of her home?  Think about it.  Lindsey had no money … no change of clothes or … her cell phone and … a few minutes earlier … Lindsey had hoped to spend the night with Michaela at the Kampen/Williams residence.

Melissa Baum
 
The Daily World – July 1, 2009


Lindsey Baum is afraid of the dark.

She’s also a bit superstitious.

Combine the two and during the so-called Witching Hour between midnight and 1 a.m., the 10-year-old McCleary girl won’t even set foot out the door, her family says.

Her mother Melissa Baum describes an incident a few weeks ago in which Lindsey had left something in the family car late at night and wanted to retrieve it but wouldn’t go out until the Witching Hour was over.

That’s why it makes no sense to Baum that her little girl would have wandered away late at night. Baum and members of her family think Lindsey was abducted when she was walking back from a friend’s house some four blocks from her home, where she lives with her mom and 12-year-old brother, Josh.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World – July 1, 2009


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said an abduction scenario is entirely possible, but investigators are also not discounting the notion that Lindsey ran away from home or got hurt somewhere and couldn’t get back home.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott  

KIRO - June 13, 2009


Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 02:19:12 PM
10. IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

A. JOSH BRAUM

I am not accusing Josh Bram of being involved in Lindsey’s disappearance but when the argument which occurred minutes earlier between Lindsey and her brother is considered as well as other underlying factors … it is my contention that unless questioned and ruled out  Josh Baum cannot be disregarded as a person of interest in regards to a connection with his sister as she walked the final two blocks home or … following her arrival at home.

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum:  Physical Confrontation

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Melissa Baum:  Heated Argument

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor

Credit: Northern Rose


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html

Credit: Northern Rose


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »


Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michael.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Credit:  Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


B. WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering the route taken by Lindsey when walking home the night she went missing … considering the time of the witness sighting on Fifth and Maple and ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?

Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)
Credit: doubledecker


(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)

Credit: doubledecker


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.
 http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.
http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


Wayne Watne – Research Thread

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Credit: doubledecker


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
THE END!!


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 15, 2009, 03:06:34 PM
THE SECURITY CAMERA

It is beyond my comprehend why security camera at the Shell station failed to pick up an image of Lindsey, Josh or Michaela as they passed by or when the bike was stashed.  Then the security camera again failed to pick up an image of Lindsey as she made her way home from the Kampen/Williams residence.

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple ....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

 http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by her both coming and going that night.


BLOODHOUNDS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt

 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: mamacrazy30 on July 16, 2009, 12:36:43 AM
take a deep breath.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on July 16, 2009, 12:01:47 PM


CBS - The Early Show - July 13, 2009

Video:
The search continues for an 11-year-old Wash. girl who disappeared.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/13/earlyshow/main5154789.shtml

++++++++

SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!

Melissa Baum's words to Julie Chen (The Early Show) imply that her daughter left the Kampen/William's residence at approximately 10:00 PM not ... 9:15 PM.

Melissa claimed that her concern when Lindsey had not arrived home by her curfew prompted a call to Kara Kampen who informed her that Lindsey had left her residence 30 minutes earlier.  Kara's own words on this forum implied that the call from Melissa was received at approximately 10:25 PM

  ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

++++++

09:15 PM - Lindsey leaves the Kampen/Williams's residence.
09:30 PM - Lindsey is observed by a neighbour on Maple Street ... two blocks from home.
10:25 PM - Melissa Baum contacts Kara Kampen.
______

9:15 PM

KARA KAMPEN

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


9:15 PM

SCOTT WILLIAMS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


9:30 PM

UNDERSHERIFF RICK SCOTT

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


10:25 PM

KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:30:31 PM
INTHE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM



What led LE to focus in and conduct "six" searches of Mullin Creek within four days of Lindsey Baum disappearance.

Is the location of this Creek search anywhere near that two block stretch between 5th on Maple and the Baum residence?

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009


After four days, searchers say they're trying to remain optimistic. Today Grays Harbor County called in the State Patrol's plane for help.

More dogs were called out to look in the neighborhood where Lindsey was last seen walking home from a friend's house Friday night.

Every option is still on the table for police, who say Lindsey could have been injured, lost, kidnapped or just ran away.

"We have not found evidence, we have not found circumstances, witnesses or information that speaks specifically as to what happened to Lindsey," said Scott.

Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.  

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:33:20 PM

Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:36:26 PM
What has been revealed in regards to the various troubling issues encompassing Josh Baum ... I too feel for this young man.  Nevertheless ... considering the heated argument just prior to his sister's disappearance ... the heated argument that dictated intervention by a family friend ... Josh Baum must be considered a person of interest until eliminated by LE.  In the name of justice for Lindsey Baum ... no person of interest should be given a free pass.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:38:21 PM
THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs shortly following her disappearance.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by Lindsey both going to and coming from the Kampen/Williams residence.

Something is not right.

Janet

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KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:43:15 PM
KaraK

I would appreciated if you answer my question directly ... "What time did Josh Baum arrive home on the evening his sister disappeared?"

Janet

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1.  KAMPEN/WILLIAMS

Considering Scott Williams passed a polygraph and ... there was a confirmed sighting of Lindsey at Fifth on Maple at 9:30 PM which would coinside with the approximate time she left your home (9:15 PM - 9:30 PM) ... this would elminate you and Scott as persons of interest.


2.  MELISSA BAUM

Considering Melissa Baum pass a polygraph ... this would eliminate her as a person of interest that had anything to do with Lindsey's disappearance or direct knowledge at that point in time.


3.  JOSH BAUM

Quote from: KaraK on August 03, 2009, 07:33:53 AM
What I know did not happen: She did NOT run away – she was not harmed by her mother or her brother – she was not harmed by anyone in my family[/b]

Considering your words ... I would assume that Josh Baum was home with his Mom at 9:30 PM ... the time of the last confirmed sighting of Lindsey.  In other words ... he went home as per the instructions of the family friend who intervened in the argument.  There was no possibility of chance encounter with Lindsey in that two block stretch between Fifth on Maple and home.  Am I correct with that assumption?


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:45:04 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


Again ... it would be interesting to know what time Josh Baum got home on the evening of June 26, 2009.  Did he go home as the neighbour who intervened in the argument had instructed?  If he was at home with Mom prior to Lindsey's leaving the Kampen resident between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM then this wannabe detective's speculation will go in another direction.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:47:36 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


When all the underlying dynamic that has been revealed/alleged encompassing Josh Baum and ... then when you consider the argument that must of been so heated that it dictated  intervention by a neighbour ... logic dictates that Lindsey's brother should not be overlooked as a person of interest.  Hey ... maybe he has not been overlooked but ... the dots cannot be connected.  Think about the six searches conducted at the creek within days following Lindsey's disappearance.  Think about the recent search with the dogs.

I can only speculate on a possible scenerio and ... it involve a chance meeting between  Lindsey and a still angry Josh within two block from their home ... a chance meeting following Lindsey being observed at Fifth and Maple by a neighbor driving to work.  Then somewhere a short distance off the beaten track ... things go out of hand.   

Consideing Melissa Baum passed a lie detector test ... I do not believe she has any first hand knowledge of wrongdoing.

I saw a photo of Josh Baum at the second vigil a few nights ago.  He is a good size.

Again ... I am not accusing but ... when what is known about Josh and Lindsey's relationship that appears to reach beyond normal sibling rivalry ... I believe that her brother should not be overlooked as a person of interest.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:49:25 PM
The flushing of the water and treatment systems could have masked the initial strench of body decomposition body.  However ... after over a month ... would there still be a decomposition order?

What if Lindsey's remains were not disposed of but ... are out of sight ... maybe covered with debris or foilage.  Maybe her remains are lying not far from where she was last observed two blocks from home by a family friend who was driving to work.  Maybe a thorough search with the dogs should be conducted by authorities on ALL properties in that two block stretch.

Remember Jessica Lundsford.  This little girl's remains were found on property within a stone throw from her home ... from the bed she was abducted from. 

Janet

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McCleary Water / Wastewater manages both the water system from the wells into homes and businesses and the sewer system that takes wastewater to the treatment plant.

WATER SYSTEM FLUSHING

June 22nd through July 2nd

The City crew will be flushing the water system using various fire hydrants around town, click on the link below to read the entire Public Notice and what to do in your area when the flushing takes place.

Hydrant flushing notice 

Wastewater Treatment

Water System

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CAF3B3FA-696A-4B0F-B441-C68ADF931009}


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:53:03 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


I speculate IF something happened to Lindsey at the hands of her brother ... it was completely unplanned.  I am not condoning but ... it could have been possibly provoked and ... he acted impulsively.  At twelve years old ... I believe this young man would have panicked and ... bolted.  In all probability ... no attempt or ... very little attempt at hiding his sister's body.  Maybe Lindsey was covered with debris or foilage.

I believe IF the above scenario took place ... Lindsey will be found in an out-of-sight spot on one of the properties in that two block radius or ... maybe the creek area that was searched six times.

Sheriff Scott stated in the search the other day ... that they were calling on neighbours again and requestioning them as well as neighbours who had yet to be contacted.  It does not appear that those properties were search to any extent ... only rural areas.

Also ... when it is considered what a resident said about Josh's behavior at that first vigil in regards to attempting to solicit money for the purchase of fireworks and ... KaraK's words about Josh's behavior at a search effort regarding Josh's only interest was in arranging a playdate with her son ... it appears that he does not comprehend that seriousness of the situation.  A lack of conscience can account for the fact there is no remorse.

I am only speculating.  Lindsey Baum is missing and ... something happened to her. 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:54:02 PM
Think about precious little Jessica Lunsford.  Stuffed alive in a plastic bag ... buried less than 2 feet from the surface ... a stone throw from her home ... from the bedroom where she was abducted.  She was not recovered for weeks and ... it was suspicion that brought LE back to that trailer.  The first time LE was there ... it was determined she was still alive in a back room.  No search was done at that time.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:55:30 PM
I never implied that any constitutional rights should be violated.  I just want to know if an attempt was made by LE to get permission from each resident in that two block stretch to search homes and property.  I believe that maybe Lindsey had an encounter on that stretch ... not necessarily a homeowner and ... her body is lying on one of those properties out of sight ... maybe covered with debris or foilage.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 10:59:06 PM
The following statement by Sheriff Scott within four days of Lindsey's disappearance implies he considers the argument between Lindsey and Josh ... the argument that warranted intervention ... as insignificant.  I may have agreed to a point if it were not for all the combined allegations that encompass the dynamics of Josh and Lindsey's relationship.

When all is said and done ... I do not know to what extent Josh Baum has been investigated any more than the potential "persons of interest" that DD and others are researching.  We are all armchair detectives working with what is out there ... not just pulling speculations out of thin air.  However ... much more info is required if the dots are going to be connected.

The truth will be revealed!  In the meantime "respectfully" agreeing to disagree with each other when there is a difference of opinion is where it is at.

Janet

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Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Olympian - June 30, 2009


Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

I would hope ... in the course of the investigation ... that Maple Stree residents in that two block stretch, respective properties, Josh Baum and Wayne Watnee have been investigated and ruled out ... not disregarded.

However ... when it was revealed that other day that authorities were retracing their steps in the investigation and questioning residents who could not be contacted when Lindsey went missing ... it leads me to believe that their respective properties has yet to be searched.

Janet

++++++++


Police chase leads on missing McCleary girl
Updated: 07/30/09

 
Officers and volunteers knocked on doors throughout town Tuesday, asking new questions and trying to reach people missed in previous interviews, Scott said.

Two teams with cadaver search dogs also roamed the town, he said, but the hot conditions limited the available scents and quickly wore out the dogs.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/827963.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:04:29 PM
In the process of elimination ... I cannot comprehend why ANYBODY would not cooperate with authorities in regards to questioning and searching of property when it is considered a little girl is missing.

If I lived in McCleary and ... the authorities arrived at my door and requested to search my residence and property.  I would step aside and ... instruct them to go for it!

I do not believe for a second if those residences and properties between 5th on Maple and the Baum residence have not been search ... it is because residents would not give permission.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:07:13 PM
I have two younger brothers ... I raised three children ... my daughter has four kids between the ages of 6 and 11.  I know all about sibling rivalry but ... what has been revealed about the dynamics in Lindsey and Josh's relationship goes way beyond what I would consider typical.

IMO

Janet

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mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

... And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:08:39 PM
THE WITNESSES

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World - July 2, 2009


Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:10:24 PM
I stand by my position.

In the course of the investigation ... in the process of elimination ...

1.  I believe that all resident from 15th on Maple to the Baum residence should be considered persons of interest and questioned as well as the respective properties throughly searched.

2.  Considering the heated argument between Josh and Lindsey that dictated intervention  combined with other revealed dynamics encompassing the sibling relationship ... I believe Josh should be considered a person of interest.   

3.  Considering Wayne Watness connection to both Josh and Lindsey and ... the relation between his residence and the Baum residence ... I believe that this man should be a person of interest.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
 
Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:11:27 PM
Think about it.  What were the underlying dynamics in the sibling relationship that would cause Lindsey to articulate happiness at the prospect of her brother being removed from the home?  In my world ... this mindset goes way beyond sibling rivalry.

Janet

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LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:13:42 PM

Quote from: doubledecker on August 02, 2009, 07:39:43 PM

I also just got this info

Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:16:51 PM

I am not implying anything. what I just said was word for word exactly what I was told.  To tell you the truth I don't have the time to really think about all this because personally I am onto something else that has nothing whatsoever to do with Josh.  But if I can post something I have been told to help others, then I post it. 

I personally am not going to sit here and research josh baum.  I have to work on something else right now that I personally feel is something I need to do to help with something about this case. It involves something totally different, so sorry, I just don't have the time to discuss Josh Baum.  I personally believe he had nothing whatsoever to do with lindsey's disappearance and I am looking at something which I believe might very well have something to do with her and so I have to concentrate on that right now. 



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:19:14 PM
Are the following contradictary quotes words of a distraught mother who does not have a clue or ... do those words imply some kind of knowledge in regards to her precious daughter?

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02


Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:20:56 PM
What could Melissa Baum have learned since July 1, 2009 that would change her thoughts concerning the whereabouts of her daughter?  To go from "out of the area" to "right under my nose" is quite a flip flop.

At this point in time ... I will give Melissa the benefit of my doubts that in her desperation ... she does not know what to think.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:24:15 PM
JOSH BAUM - CLASSROOM EVACUATED?

If the fire alarm was pulled … the bell would have started ringing and … the entire school would have been evacuated.

An elementary student setting off a fire alarm would result in a reprimand by school officials and fire authorities but … somehow I do not believe there would legal consequences UNLESS it had happened before.

I contend the class evacuation incident was unrelated to the felony charges that resulted in a guilty plea by Josh.

Think about.  KaraK was uninformed regarding aspects encompassing Josh and the Juvenile Detention System.  Could it be that she was also unaware of the underlying dynamic encompassing the 911 call and the ride home from mlachester’s residence in a police car?

I cannot get past mlacheste claims.  If  I were to obstruct justice by fabricating a story encompassing an incident … I would not involve the small police force of McCleary in that fabrication.  Logic would dictate that my words could be easily disputed.

When all is said and done … this young man certainly had issues that reached beyond the average 12 year old.  This makes me both sad and suspicious.

Monkeys ... felony charges again a 12 year old boy is serious stuff.  How many 12 year olds do you know personally who have been charged with a felony.  I am 62 years of age and ... I do not know one.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1240 on: July 05, 2009, 10:56:04 PM »


I don't know if he ever actually went to juvie.  All I know for sure is he gets picked on a lot (my kids have participated verbally and been in trouble for this as well) by kids trying to get a reaction - spitting, name calling etc. - To my knowledge that is where most of his trouble has been with little fights amongst kids and complaints from them or their parents.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865744#msg865744


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

... Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:30:55 PM
I do not think it is Lindsey's father who accompanied Melissa Baum to the polygraph..

When the following two articles are taken into consideration ... Scott Baum did not arrive in McCleary until July 4th or 5th.  Sheriff Scott claimed on July 2nd that Melissa Barum had taken a polygraph.

Janet

++++++++++

KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


KOMO News – Monday, July 6, 2009

Baum, who lives in Tennessee, arrived in McCleary over the weekend with his heart in a knot. The father said he had to get clearance from his military superiors before making the trip.

Baum hadn't seen his daughter, Lindsey Baum, in a year. He and her mother divorced three years ago. He stayed in Tennessee and his ex-wife moved to Washington with their daughter.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/50075052.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:32:58 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

Maybe the LE are attempting to connect the dots in regards to "what info is known" in the latest search.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


Police chase leads on missing McCleary girl
Updated: 07/30/09


Officers and volunteers knocked on doors throughout town Tuesday, asking new questions and trying to reach people missed in previous interviews, Scott said.
 
Two teams with cadaver search dogs also roamed the town, he said, but the hot conditions limited the available scents and quickly wore out the dogs.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/827963.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
WE ARE ALL SPECULATING

The point is ... we are all speculating.  Nobody knows for certain what was the felony that Josh Baum pleaded guilty to.  Nevertheless ... it does appear that this young man has his share of issues.

To tell the truth ... my focus in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... a focus that dictates that all avenues that lead back to this little girl on that walk home along Maple should be investigated.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:37:32 PM
MORE THAN ONE MONTH TOO LATE

Police chase leads on missing McCleary girl
Updated: 07/30/09   1:42 am

 
Searchers returned to the streets of McCleary under a brutal sun Tuesday to follow up on new leads in the hunt for 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, according to The Daily World of Aberdeen.

About 25 officers and searchers with dogs braved near-record temperatures to re-canvass areas of town, Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said.

A recent $6,000 reward for information in the missing girl’s case has produced a new wave of tips, Scott said. Surrounding law enforcement agencies including the Thurston County Sheriff’s Office and the Aberdeen Police Department sent officers to help perform follow-up searches and interviews.

About six core investigators have been leading the effort to find Lindsey, who disappeared while walking a few blocks home June 26. The detectives have found no evidence explaining the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl’s disappearance, but they continue sorting through thousands of tips.

Officers and volunteers knocked on doors throughout town Tuesday, asking new questions and trying to reach people missed in previous interviews, Scott said.

Two teams with cadaver search dogs also roamed the town, he said, but the hot conditions limited the available scents and quickly wore out the dogs.

Scott said detectives and extra officers expect to follow up on new tips in town for at least the rest of the week. He asked anyone with any potentially helpful information to call 866-915-8299.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/news/northwest/story/827963.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:39:11 PM
Could the truth encompassing the implication that Josh Baum had was involved in any way with the Juvenile Detention System be confirmed or denied by any of our Monkey researchers.  If so ... what was the offence.  It could be that Josh's age may imply that info is not public record.

ThankS

Janet

++++++++++

LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:42:05 PM
THE FELONY

So we have no idea what the unrevealed felony charge was that Josh Baum pled guilty to but … it is speculated/rumored that the felony was arson related.  Some have made a choice to give this speculation/rumor credibility and … that is OK..

However … I speculate that the felony may have been related to the comments of mlachester.  Think about it.  This woman did not hide her identity.  She involved 911 and local LE in the scenario encompassing Lindsey and implicating Josh.  Why would mlachester lie while obviously aware that 911 and LE sources could easily refute her words if fabricated.

Janet

+++++

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

... Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Do Monkeys believes that Josh Baum should be given a free pass ... he should be disregarded as a person of interest by investigators in the process of elimination or ... should his actions and whereabouts after he was sent home by the family friend following the dispute with Lindsey and Michaela be investigated?

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
The following two posts indicate that Josh Baum in unconcerned over the disappearance of his sister.

Janet

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mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time.  He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:52:37 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


In the process of elimination ... I hope that the concerns of McCleary residents in regards to Lindsey's brother were not not disregarded by Undersheriff Rick Scott.  I hope the concerns of McCleary residents were taken seriously and ... Josh Baum was not ruled out as a person of interest without investigation ... without questioning and ... without searching.

Janet

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Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Olympian - June 30, 2009


Lindsey left her cell phone at home before leaving to play with friends Friday, said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott. Lindsey’s older brother had left the Maple Street residence before his sister after the two had a dispute over the bike Lindsey had borrowed from him that day – a common occurrence between frequently squabbling siblings, Scott added.

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


... Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time.  He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Lindsey Baum

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Melissa Baum

KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:55:10 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


I feel for Josh Baum ... my heart breaks.  Many anger issues that follow children into adulthood are rooted in experiences akin to those that KaraK describes.

Nevertheless ... a little ten year girl is missing and ... all avenues in the course of the investigation must be persued.  Justice for Lindsey Baum dictates that no free passes are handed out based on circumstances.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 07, 2009, 11:58:02 PM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


Did Josh Baum go straight home following the argument he had with his sister as instructed by the "family friend" or ... was there an encounter Lindsey in in the short distance between the neighbours observation and their home?

Was Josh still harboring resentment toward his sister in regards to the dispute over the bike that had taken place 30 minutes prior?

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1936 on: July 10, 2009, 07:07:48 PM »

The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg873229#msg873229


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg863022


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:01:22 AM
The passed polygraph implies that Melissa Baum did not initially have any knowledge pertaining to circumstances encompassing the disappearance of her daughter.

Janet

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Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott

KOMO News – July 2, 2009


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:02:52 AM
Melissa Baum does not reveal the name of the "family friend" who intervened in the argument between Josh and Lindsey.

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
Girl's Mother Frantic After Lindsey Never Made it Home From a Friend's House
By SARAH NETTER
June 30, 2009


Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:04:34 AM
DID JOSH BAUM GO HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

When I consider the Jessica Lunford case.  This precious little girl was found burird on a property a stone throw away from her home weeks following her disappearance.  In the meantime search efforts were being conducted far and wide.

In the process of elimination ... I consider Josh Baum a person of interest unless he was sitting at home with his Mom between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... the time Lindsey left the Baum residence.  This is where he should have been if he had adhered to the instructions of the "friend of the family" who intervened in the bike argument between him and his sister.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:20:35 AM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

Think about it.  Considering the girls left the video store at 8:19 PM and ... then  went to the Baum residence prior to beginning their jouney to the Kampen residence with Josh ... there could only be about a 30 minute time span between the girls' parting with Josh following the argument and ... Lindsey's expected time home after leaving the Kampen residence.

Inquiring minds want to know what time did Josh Baum arrive home that evening.

In the process of elimination ... all avenues ... even difficult avenues ... must be explored.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1936 on: July 10, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
»

The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.  
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg873229#msg873229


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg863022


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:25:04 AM
According to Michaela's mother the overnighter discussion occured between Lindsey and her daughter on the walk from the Baums. 

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1081 on: July 05, 2009, 04:00:50 AM »


According to my daughter the thought of anyone spending the night at my house was thought up on the way to my house. So, Lindsey's mom would have had reason to be worried when she did not show up by 10ish because she at that time was (to my knowledge) not aware the girls had asked me or were going to ask to spend the night at my house or that I'd said no.  I believe she was under the impression that both girls would be coming back to her house which would take them longer because Kayla has to bring along many outfits if she stays the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864834#msg864834


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:32:37 AM
I can remember collaborating with friends regarding spending the night at each others home ... regarding how were going to convince our parents.  Sleepovers were fun.

The only part of the scenario that bothers me is the adults who made choices for a ten year old that were not in her best interest.

A ten year old was sent away from the Kampen/Williams residence to walk the streets of McCleary defenceless against the dangers that lurk.

Melissa Baum was unconcerned as long as Lindsey met her ten o'clock curfrew.

For crying out loud ... ten year old little girls should be in bed at 10:00 PM ... not walking the streets unsupervised.

Janet

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KARA KAMPEN

The Daily World - July 3, 2009


McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


SCOTT WILLIAMS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


MELISSA BAUM

ABC News - June 30, 2009


Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 12:37:07 AM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM




Residents of McCleary Speak Out

mlachester 1 day ago wrote:


To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mamahead 13 hours ago wrote:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 09, 2009, 12:42:02 AM »


*** Does Lindsey's brother have a standing reputation in the community ??

Yes, not a real good one - with the kids at least. I have not met anyone who claims to be his friend.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1602 on: July 08, 2009, 01:51:08 AM »

Lindsey's brother has a temper but to seriously hurt her I do not think so -  I've seen them fight and argue numerous times and know he gets mad for a minute and then he's over it. They both are a bit temperamental but he especially thinks highly of Lindsey and nothing in me since she's gone missing made me think he was any way involved. - Now that is just my gut feeling topped with the lack of any form of transportation.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg869280;topicseen#msg869280

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1795 on: July 09, 2009, 03:13:01 AM »


I am no Dr and I never dug but he does take medication for some condition - more mental than physical. He is not what kids would call "cool" and strikes you as being younger than he actually is if you talk to him. He came over a few times and we'd talk about something and he'd start jabbering about something completely off topic - when we were all out looking for Lindsey I was trying to talk to him about where we'd already looked and he just wanted to know if my son could come over the next day. So I guess you could say unfocused.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871046;topicseen#msg871046

Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 08:57:18 AM
THE FELONY


Could the truth encompassing the implication that Josh Baum had was involved in any way with the Juvenile Detention System be confirmed or denied by any of our Monkey researchers.  If so ... what was the offence.  It could be that Josh's age may imply that info is not public record.

Thank

Janet

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LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS

Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry


TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Janet,  there was a link provided earlier, perhaps last week in the threads.  There was a juvenile hearing he attended, and he plead guilty.  Because he is a juvi, what the charge was for we do not know, but it stated a felony.  There was discussion that it was arson related.   

I really do not think he is involved in her disappearance, if he acted alone.  I do not think he could have assisted an adult and still be home for his 10PM curfew. I am pretty sure he was on the radar screen early on, and investigated pretty throughly.  JMO


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:04:44 AM
IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM



Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M



Chi, I don't think anyone said we were not considering Josh or that it couldn't be discussed, or that investigations on his background are not important. It doesn't mean that we can't focus on other issues, and not dedicate the whole thread to one suspect.  When page after page is covered on one issue, we lose focus on all the other suspects and circumstances. 

 Do I personally think Josh was involved, NO...I don't think he is mentally capable or focused enough to have done this by himself. Maybe the focus should be who may have helped him?  Not his mother as she has taken a poly and passed.  Perhaps there should be a separate thread just to discuss Josh.  Would that keep everyone happy??


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:08:14 AM
I also just got this info

 Josh - Lindsey's brother has Aspergers and ADHD and he has NEVER been to juvie over anything related to his sister or school at all

dd

Are you say that you know for sure that John Baum never pleaded guilty to a felony in Juvenile Court or ... are you implying the charges were unrelated to Lindsey or school.

Janet


I am not implying anything. what I just said was word for word exactly what I was told.  To tell you the truth I don't have the time to really think about all this because personally I am onto something else that has nothing whatsoever to do with Josh.  But if I can post something I have been told to help others, then I post it. 

I personally am not going to sit here and research josh baum.  I have to work on something else right now that I personally feel is something I need to do to help with something about this case. It involves something totally different, so sorry, I just don't have the time to discuss Josh Baum.  I personally believe he had nothing whatsoever to do with lindsey's disappearance and I am looking at something which I believe might very well have something to do with her and so I have to concentrate on that right now. 




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:13:47 AM
THE WHITE VEHICLE

Considering the following ... why was a ten year old little girl ... with no means to defend herself ... put at risk by being allowed to walk the streets of McCleary without adult supervision?

Janet

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mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:
I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


mlachester 1 day ago wrote:
Also people need to know Lindsey had told a friend a white car had been folling her and that another 11 year old girl was also talked to by someone a=in a white car the guy tryed to get her in by going as far as telling her she could drive the car. She ran and told her mom and yes the police knows this too.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:24:10 AM
THE INITIAL SEARCH


This is the first article posted in the first thread of this case:

Small town baffled, alarmed at 10-year-old girl's disappearance

Story Updated: Jun 27, 2009 at 9:52 PM PDT
By Ray Lane and KOMO News Web Staff

MCCLEARY, Wash. - A wide-ranging search is under way for a 10-year-old girl who vanished Friday evening while walking home from a friend's house in this small town set amid forested hills west of Olympia. And now the entire town is worried.

Lindsey J. Baum was last seen at 9:15 p.m. Friday when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting, said Dave Pimentel of the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.


 A volunteer goes door to door, passing out fliers about the missing girl.
"She hasn't been seen or heard from since," Pimentel said.

Her mother reported her missing at 10:50 p.m. And as the hours drag by with no sign of her, the girl's family fears she may have been taken by a stranger.

Search teams have been out looking for the girl, using bloodhounds. Sheriff's deputies, meanwhile, are calling people who live in the neighborhood and also are going door to door to see if anyone heard or saw anything.

Other searchers are combing the nearby woods on ATVs. Everyone is anxious for any sign of the missing girl.


Pimentel said Lindsey has never been a runaway. "We don't suspect that at this time," he said.

The girl's disappearance has shocked many residents of McCleary, population 1,550, where the biggest employer is a lumber mill that manufactures doors and people know their neighbors.

"We don't know what happened to her yet. All we know is she's missing, and we're taking every effort we can to try and locate her," he added.

Police say it appears Lindsey walked at least part of the way with home with friends, who didn't see anything unusual.

Melissa McCann, a family friend, said, "This is a small town. These things don't happen. And yet here they are. She comes from her friend's (house) a lot, so it doesn't make sense that she didn't show up at home. We're just baffled."

Pimentel said it's strange that nobody saw anything unusual.

"Such a small community like this - you can't do much in a town this size without everybody knowing about it," he said. "Everybody in town knows she's unaccounted for."

Lindsey's mother admits the 10-year old had been fighting with her brother in the moments before she was last seen, and that Lindsey is still upset about her parent's recent divorce.

But with every passing hour, there are mounting worries that the friendly girl who will talk with anybody is in serious trouble.

Lindsey was last seen wearing a gray hooded pullover sweatshirt, with blue jeans and black shoes. She stands about 4-feet-10-inches and weighs about 85 pounds.

Anyone with information is asked to call the Grays Harbor 911 Center at (800) 281-6944 or the McCleary Police Department at (360) 495-3107.

(http://media.komonews.com/images/090627_lindsey_baum_3.jpg)

http://www.komonews.com/news/49343017.html


THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by her both going to and coming from the Kampen/Williams residence.  What about the Shell station where the bike was left.

Janet

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KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:26:16 AM

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

One month too late!

In the process of elimination ... homes and property within that two block stretch from home where Lindsey was witnessed by a neighbour should have been searched at the getgo.  Residents should of been considered persons of interest and brought in for questioning ... not called by LE inquiring whether they saw anything.

In the process of elimination ... the home and property of Melissa Baum should have been search at the getgo.  When you consider the revealed dynamics encompassing Lindsey's brother ... Josh Baum should have been considered a person of interest and brought in for questioning.

In the process of elimination ... the home and property of Wayne Watnee should have been searched at the getgo.  When you consider where this man resides in relation to the the Baum residence and ... his connection to both Linsey and Josh ... this man should have been considered a person of interest and brought in for questioning.

Janet

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Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
Story Published: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM PDT

 
By Luke Duecy  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- It's been more than a month since Lindsey Baum disappeared while walking home from a friend's house, but investigators are not giving up.

On Tuesday, detectives from Pierce County joined the search, hoping to turn up new leads or tips in the case.

They searched homes, trash cans and crawl spaces near where Lindsey was last seen, and cadaver-sniffing dogs were also brought in to comb the area

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:32:48 AM
Ockham's Razor

You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity


You know I agree with you on this. The answer to this is not going to be complicated. The simplest questions have to be answered first, and then move out in concentric circles to a more far reaching investigation. This seems not to have been done, and much time has already been wasted with days of no searching or investigation.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 09:53:28 AM
THE TRACKING DOGS

Why would the outcome differ from the initial search with tracking dog one month earlier?  Did it have something to do with the "additional tips" that were received?

Janet

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Searchers Brave Heat In Search For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 12:56 pm PDT July 28, 2009
Updated: 2:48 pm PDT July 28, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As temperatures soar near 100, teams from the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, the FBI and Pierce County are in McCleary Tuesday conducting another search for missing 10-year-old Lindsey Baum.

The teams, including search dogs, are battling the heat as they check up on additional tips and re-check the area hoping to find the girl who has been missing since June 26.

The skyrocketing temperatures are making the search very difficult for people and animals.

"It's really hard. It's hot. It's hot for us; it's hot for the dogs. The scent conditions aren't as good," said searcher Beth Chesier.

Searchers and dogs have been seeking refuge inside a cool building to rest and drink as much water as possible before the teams hit the field again, going door to door interviewing everyone to find some clue that will lead to Lindsey.

Though the work is hard in the heat, searchers said they're glad to be part of the effort to help bring Lindsey home.

A $6,000 reward is being offered by Crimestoppers for information that helps find her.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 11:13:24 AM

It would appear that there is some credibility to mlachester's words ... words that imply that Josh Baum should be considered a person of interest in the process of elimination in the investigation into the disappearance of his sister.

Janet

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mlachester 1 day ago wrote:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester 2 hours ago wrote:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


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I have a phone number those calls were made from for the report, I have the time PERIOD but no actual date.  I can't post the phone number on here.



supposedly 3-4 calls were made and one to cps and said she does not know if a report was made or not


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 11:29:35 AM
I am going to go out on a limb here.  I will say this then I don't have time for the josh baum theory. 

I have asked for the info jessstar needs to look up the public record for josh.  Someone was going to ask for that info yesterday.  that would settle all of this.  I have not heard back from that person yet, but as soon as I do I will know whether or not that person is willing to give us the info so jessstar can look for that record.  I explained that this would end all this back and forth yes there was a 911 report and no there was not.  At this point I am not choosing sides as to who to believe, although I feel if a person can settle this they should so we can get on to whatever it is we are doing.

if this person can prove this report exists, then we will know.  If they choose not to help prove this, then why should I believe anything they say?  we have a couple of people who obviously had some kind of disagreement along the line somewhere and one says this and the other says that.  I can't say oh I believe one because they say so.  if one of them can PROVE they are the one telling the truth and that the other is lying, they the one who has the means to PROVE it should.  So if they choose not to do so, I am not believing them. 

if they are so outspoken with the truth, then they should give up that info.  If not, then I guess they are really that concerned about the truth, rather all they want to do is bash lindsey's family.  that is my personal opinion.

actually to tell you the truth I need off of here for a bit because I am getting aggrivated at this whole josh baum thing. 

if anyone needs me, you can find me at my profile. 




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 11:43:29 AM
DD ... I respectfully disagree.

It is my understanding that PROOF in the form of records when it involves a minor within CPS ... within any branch of the system ... is not forthcoming.

I am not saying that mlachester is the bearer of the truth.  However ... when it is considered that she indentifies herself in her comments and she involves CPS, 911 and the small police force of McCleary in the alleged incident that involves Lindsey ... I will not disregard her words.

Janet



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 01:06:33 PM
WHAT IF LINDSEY IS TELLING THE TRUTH?  WHAT IF MLACHESTER IS TELLING THE TRUTH?

let me add to this info, as I believe people take all of this however they choose to further what they think, when actually, I have heard a LOT LOT more having to do with this but because it has NOTHING at all to do with Josh Baum and might be something that would sway people into thinking things they should not (because I can't post ALL of what this is about), then I think I should at least say what I personally think about all of this. 

I believe there is some on-going feud(if you will) between ML(marilyn Lachester) and MB(Melissa Baum).  supposedly marilyn has called the police on Melissa Baum 3-4 times and has called cps on her once.  This happened in the summer of 2008 as far as I am told.  Mind you I had someone who knows marilyn ask her specific questions and these are the answers I am getting(I intend to talk with Marilyn herself, to be certain this is actually what she said, however, I already believe the person who asked for me, but just to be able to say it is from the horses mouth, I intend to veryify all of this through Marilyn).... in the meantime I am sharing what I can from the person who asked her for me. 

I asked for the phone number the 911 call was called from and the date, so jessstar could try to find the report.  what I was told as an answer to these questions was:

911 was called in the summer of 2008.  Marilyn called 3-4 times to the police.  She called cps once on Melissa Baum.  This had nothing to do with Josh Baum.  Marilyn says she does not know if a report was made or not.  She called them and she does not know what they did concerning making a report, but she "assumes" there is an incident report because she called them.  So there very well might not be a report at all. 

Evidently, nothing happened about all of these calls because lindsey was still living at home with her mother.  So whatever it was which marilyn called about did not seem important enough to the police to do anything about it. 

Now I do know a couple of things marilyn called about, but I am not going to post that, she can post it somewhere if she chooses to do so, which it seems as though she has no qualms about posting about Melissa or Josh.

If marilyn is telling the truth about what she felt was wrong enough that she needed to call the police and cps, then the question is, was it really happening?  Well, evidently the police did not think it anything that warranted lindsey being taken out of the home or for her mother to be  in trouble etc;  so here is what you have to decided to believe.  Was there really anything that bad going on.  Did the police do their job in looking at the accusations by marilyn?  Was marilyn just mad at MB and josh and was calling about things that were not true or blown out of proportion?  Was lindsey telling marilyn things and marilyn thought they were worse than they were?

see we don't KNOW, all I know is what marilyn is saying and that she does not know if there is a police report and also that the police did nothing about anything.  so what does that tell us?  It tells us either the police did not do their job and neither did cps, or... there is nothing bad going on to warrant any action by the police or cps. 

I also have info from another source other than marilyn about one of these incidents where there is a report.  And it had nothing at all to do with josh baum, and it was nothing that anyone got in trouble for nor did it warrant taking lindsey out of the home etc.  And from the extent of what I have been told actually happened, it was something that probably 80% or 90% of people would have done under the circumstances, IF the circumstances are such that I have been told.  However, am I told the truth?  I believe I was, as the police did not think this was out of line to do and no actionns were taken about it. 

Now why is marilyn saying all these horrible things were going on, I don't know.  She probably believes they were.  Obviously the police do not believe they were, or both the police and cps just did not care.  who really knows. 

as for the white car incident, supposedly marilyn is saying this happened a week before lindsey disappeared, however, marilyn HEARD about it, she did not KNOW about it.  Marilyn was not even living in McCleary at this time, she still does not live in McCleary.  She does have a lot of friends there and she does HEAR things. 

Now this is something I have no idea what this is about, but love4ever has dug up a court record for ML for assault in the summer of 2008.  I have no idea what this is about, but we can see that ML also assaults people.  So who do we believe here? 

I really don't know.  I do know what the report is about, and it has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with josh baum.   


DD

What if Lindsey is telling the truth regarding her brother's abuse?  What if mlachester is revealing exactly how the incident unfolded?

Janet




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 06:54:38 PM
DD'S SOURCE - MLACHESTER'S FRIEND


Is DD in contact with mlachester?

Janet

I am in contact with a good friend of marilyn's family and this person ask Marilyn specifically the questions I asked her to ask.  Marilyn also told her that I can talk with her(marilyn) personally and I intend on getting ahold of Marilyn herself TODAY.  This was Marilyn's suggestion as I am told through the family friend.  I did not wish to bother marilyn but because I have been invited by her to talk with her, I will.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 07:00:38 PM
Think about it.

There was a confirmed sighting of Lindsey at 5th on Maple at 9:30 PM just two blocks from the Baum residence.  This would coincide with Kara Kampen and Scott Williams' time frame in regards to when Lindsey left their residence.

Considering Melissa Baum and Scott Williams passed a polygraph ... it can be assumed that neither participated in an action that resulted the disappearances of Lindsey or ... at that time possessed any knowledge encompassing what happened.

The above would imply that something happened to Lindsey in that two block stretch.

Inquiring minds want to know.  Did Josh Baum returned home as instructed following the argument with his sister?  Was he home with Mom between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM?

If my two questions involving Lindsey's brother are answered ... Melissa Baum, Scott Willaims and Josh Baum can all be eliminated as persons of interest in the process of elimination.

Janet

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KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 08:15:47 PM
WAS JOSH BAUM CONSIDERED A PERSON OF INTEREST?  DID JOSH BAUM RETURN HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

I have not read one quote from Kara, Melissa or Sheriff Scott that Josh Baum was considered a person of interest in the process of elimination in the investigation and ...  was interrogated accordingly.

One quote in regards to a police interrogation or ... one quote that reveals that Josh Baum went home per the family friend's instructions ... one quote that reveals that this young man was with his Mom when his sister left the Kampen/Williams residence ... will shut this wannabe detective up in regards to Josh Baum.

KaraK would not answer me directly in regards to whether Josh Baum went straight home as instructed following the argument with his sister.

Janet











Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 08, 2009, 10:19:53 PM
DD'S SOURCE - MLACHESTER'S FRIEND



... how about this, I just copy the email here,

_______________________________

this is to me from a friend of marilyns

first off she does suspect josh and his mom, because she thinks his mom lets him do anything and all the abuse she witnessed.  also she says the place she heard the dogs last picked up a scent (which she acknowledges is hearsay) is the same street she lived on at pine and 1st, and she's kinda haunted by that, she says lindsey would always run to her.  the phone number she made those 911 calls, which she says were at least 3 or 4, was xxxxxxxx, and it was around summer of last year, something like that.  she doesn't know if cops made a report or what they did exactly, but says they would have had to do an incident report or something, and one time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha.  she didn't hesitate or anything, she says Sgt. xxxxxxxx contacted her the very next day after lindsey disappeared and she asked him right off, have you checked the river and other places josh hangs out, and he said xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx  she's also curious about the white car, she says she was already moved when that report was made involving lindsey so she doesn't know too much else about it, but just that there's a lot of roads going in and out mccleary.  thinks kara is an attention whore.  i'll do this in 2 parts, there's more...

she doesn't know a xxxxxxx.  She says that street, Maple, is pretty short and there are very few houses on it, like 1 house w/little kids and possibly 1 house w/ older kids and maybe another house, not very residential.  She hasn't been there in a while but doesn't think she has friends there, and as far as she's heard she didn't stop anywhere, that she headed straight home.  Also, she knows for a fact xxxxxxxx was there that night although she doesn't know if he still lives there.  She happens to know because he's a friend, his name is xxxxxxx, he works at xxxxxxxxxxx and that night he either lost his keys or left them at work or the bar (he goes there a lot) and had to crawl through his window at Kara's and fell and broke his rib.  yeah, crazy.  other than that she doesn't know who all was there.  but she's definately lying about not knowing a xxxxxxx, lol.  shit, i forgot to ask her about the gosh dang witness.  and if xxxxx had a car, sheesh.  she said she don't know if melissa was lying about her car, she did see her driving it when she was there, but i heard that her key was broke or missing, something like that.  who knows on that one.  i believe it was kara who said that, about the car key. oh, the white car report w/lindsey occured within one week of her disappearance, and that's about all she knows about it.  anything i didn't answer she said i don't know.  alsoi she said you can write her xxxxxxxx, and i'll get a link to you, but i have to run xxxxxxxxxx, i'll look for the article online too, but after reading it again i really don't think there is anything new much.  weird how she says i will find my daughter, as she's selling off her stuff.  well that;s what i heard anyway, i guess it could be a rumour, i'm sure she is strapped for cash though.  god, don't know what to think about her,  very sad any which way i suppose.  xxxxxxxxxx this is just stuff about where she had to go and do stuff for family etc xxxxxxxxxx marilyn's not even convinced josh has asbergers.  it's a very subtle thing i can tell you, fine line between asbergers and asshole.  gotta run for a bit.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:00:02 PM
DD's SOURCE - MLACHESTER'S FRIEND

ROGER



an email to me about what marilyn told her friend

this email is in early july

marilyn told me about roger, she knows them all well, and is good friends with roger i guess, but i don't know anything else.  she definately said that's her roommate, kara hasn't said one thing like that, i would think if he had recently moved or something marilyn would know (she knows a lot of people)  most people here do, have lived here all their lives etc.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:04:50 PM
MELISSA BAUM - NOT A PERSON OF INTEREST!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

McCleary LE ticked Melissa Baum off as a suspect very early on in the investigation ... prior to her passing a polygraph.  Why?  Would it not make sense ... in the process of elimination ... to consider Lindsey's mother as a person of interest.

Either this LE detatchment is incompetent or ... was on to something very early on.

Janet

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Search intensifies for missing 10-year old Washington girl
KING
Published: July 1, 2009


The missing-girl’s mother said she volunteered to take a polygraph late Tuesday, wanting to clear herself - although police tell us she is not a suspect.

“I don’t want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don’t want anything like that. I want everyone to know my daughter is missing,” said Melissa Baum, the missing-girl’s mother.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/


Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:06:44 PM
It must be remembered that there was a confirmed sighting shortly after 9:30 PM of Lindsey on Maple at 5th ... two blocks from her home.  This would coincide with the 9:15PM - 9:30 PM timeframe given by Kara and Scott as to when Lindsey left their home walking along Maple.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:09:19 PM
THE TENANT

Could all the activity have been taking place somewhere along Maple Street in an attempt to locate Lindsey at the time the Kampen/Williams tenant arrive home and found himself locked out of his separate accommodations (basement suite)?  Could this be the reason why the "break-in" went unnoticed.

Considering mlachester's details encompassing the window scenario ... I am a believer in her account.  In my opinion ... logic implies that this woman would be fabricating stories ... stories that could be so easily refuted by official sources.

On the other hand ... I do not believe that Kara was lying regarding who was present in her home when Lindsey embarked on her Maple Street journey.  Obviously ... this tenant was not home between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

Janet

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Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 06:42:50 PM

i also am curious as to who exactly was in the kampen home the night that lindsey disappeared?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1163 on: July 05, 2009, 06:52:39 PM »


My house - Myself, Scott and my 4 kids.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865334;topicseen#msg865334


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:12:25 PM
THE TENANT

Could it be that the Kampen/Williams residence has a rental accommodation separate from the main house.

Janet

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Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 06:42:50 PM

i also am curious as to who exactly was in the kampen home the night that lindsey disappeared?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1163 on: July 05, 2009, 06:52:39 PM »


My house - Myself, Scott and my 4 kids.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865334;topicseen#msg865334


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:14:58 PM
janet-

i am just wondering how you think jb could have abducted his sister and where she is now if he did do something to her?

i am also wondering if you have a theory which involved mb that you would be willing to share with us?

IN THE PROCESS OF ELIMINATION

JOSH BAUM


I speculate IF something happened to Lindsey at the hands of her brother ... there was a chance meeting within that two block stretch between the confirmed sighting of Lindsey and the Baum residence.  I contend that whatever happened was completely unplanned.  I am not condoning but ... the attack could could have been provoked from Josh's perspective and ... he acted impulsively.  At twelve years old ... I believe this young man would have panicked and ... bolted after the fact.  In all probability ... no attempt or ... very little attempt at hiding his sister's body.  Maybe Lindsey was covered with debris or foilage.

I believe IF the above scenario took place ... Lindsey will be found in an out-of-sight spot on one of the properties in that two block stretch or ... maybe the creek area that was searched six times.  Maybe a witness had placed Josh in the area of the creek.

Sheriff Scott stated in regards to the search the other day ... that they were calling on neighbours again and requestioning them as well as neighbours who had yet to be contacted.  It does not appear that those properties in that two block stretch were search to any extent ... only rural areas.

I am only speculating.  Lindsey Baum is missing and ... something happened to her.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:16:50 PM
janet-

i am just wondering how you think jb could have abducted his sister and where she is now if he did do something to her?

i am also wondering if you have a theory which involved mb that you would be willing to share with us?

sunshine

Considering Melissa Baum passed a polygraphy ... I DO NOT have a theory that involves Melissa in the initial disappearance of her daughter or ... having any initial knowledge.

However when I consider Melissa's flip flop in regards to her initial speculation that her daughter was no longer in the McCleary area ... I somehow believe that she is now in possession of specific knowledge that is contradictory and ... may have been involved in a coverup to protect Josh.

Again ... this is all speculation based on the following quotes.

Janet

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MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009-08-02


Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:22:24 PM

Janet,  I don't know who, beyond the police themselves can provide this information to you.  Why don't you contact them with your question? Or send them an email?  Clearly we are not going to be able to provide a link to you that will answer these questions for you. I am afraid that you are so convinced that this is what happened, that you may be  overlooking more obvious evidence that may lead in a totally different direction, or worse causing someone else to do so. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

AZSunny ... each Monkey on this forum is free to pursue the avenue of speculation that they wish.

I do not believe that a stranger/a sex offender had anything to do with Lindsey Baum's disappearance.  However ... I have read page after page of research by Monkeys who lean in this direction.  I sincerely attempt to comprehend why it is believed that a stranger abduction is a possibility.  However ... when all is said and done ... I fail to grasp.  Nevertheless ... considering the truth remains elusive ... who am I to say that this avenue of speculative is distracting others from the truth.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.  

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:25:24 PM
Mods ... please delete above quote.  I messed up in my attempt to edit the stack.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:32:50 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904931#msg904931


Quote from: AZSunny on August 08, 2009, 10:43:41 PM

Janet,  I don't know who, beyond the police themselves can provide this information to you.  Why don't you contact them with your question? Or send them an email?  Clearly we are not going to be able to provide a link to you that will answer these questions for you. I am afraid that you are so convinced that this is what happened, that you may be  overlooking more obvious evidence that may lead in a totally different direction, or worse causing someone else to do so. 
 

Tamikosmom
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #949 on: August 08, 2009, 11:20:40 PM »


 ::MonkeyShocked::

AZSunny ... each Monkey on this forum is free to pursue the avenue of speculation that they wish.

I do not believe that a stranger/a sex offender had anything to do with Lindsey Baum's disappearance.  However ... I have read page after page of research by Monkeys who lean in this direction.  I sincerely attempt to comprehend why it is believed that a stranger abduction is a possibility.  However ... when all is said and done ... I fail to grasp.  Nevertheless ... considering the truth remains elusive ... who am I to say that this avenue of speculative is distracting others from the truth.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.  

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 09, 2009, 12:34:51 PM
WAS JOSH BAUM CONSIDERED A PERSON OF INTEREST?  DID JOSH BAUM RETURN HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

I have not read one quote from Kara, Melissa or Sheriff Scott that Josh Baum was considered a person of interest in the process of elimination in the investigation and ...  was interrogated accordingly.

One quote in regards to a police interrogation or ... one quote that reveals that Josh Baum went home per the family friend's instructions ... one quote that reveals that this young man was with his Mom when his sister left the Kampen/Williams residence ... will shut this wannabe detective up in regards to Josh Baum.

KaraK would not answer me directly in regards to whether Josh Baum went straight home as instructed following the argument with his sister.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 10:56:33 AM
MLACHESTER'S OWN WORDS

Think about it.  Only comments submitted to the KOMO website and ... snippets of posts submited to other sites brought over to the SM forum by Rob ... can be directly attributed to mlachester.

There is nothing in mlachester's own words regarding "Roger" being a "roommate" of Kara Kampen.  There is nothing in mlachester's own words regarding Roger climbing in a window and breaking his ribs in the process.

It is my sincere hope that Monkeys are not bashing the messenger who is attempting to reveal the dynamics encompassing the Baum family ... dynamics that branches of LE refused to acknowledge.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

ACCORDING TO MLACHESTER:

Rob
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #896 on: August 08, 2009, 04:29:38 PM »


Quote
As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.

Quote
They have the reports I help Lindsey file

Quote
Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71


mlachester:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:
I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 10:58:06 AM
Quote from: Leroy on Today at 12:14:44 AM

Here is Marilyns myspace

http://www.myspace.com/batchessqua


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:00:56 AM
“I will find my daughter”
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Power lines hang low over the narrow, gravel-lined stretch of asphalt in McCleary called Maple Street.

Cars roll past rows of small houses. Sprinklers spin in the front yards. Shrubs and street lights stand on either side of the road.

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

Baum sat on her front step earlier this week, staring eastward toward Maple Street with the faint plinking of wind chimes behind her. She lit a cigarette.

“It’s really frustrating,” she said.

The family dog, Cadence, curled up on the concrete at her feet. Signs of support hung in the windows. Empty Diet Coke cans and fountain drinks sat stacked beside her chair after hours of waiting and watching the end of the road.

“It was all a fluke that whole night,” Baum explained quietly. “It’s like everything fell into place. The one time she left the house without her cell phone. The one time she started walking home alone.”
 
A prayer candle with an image of the Virgin Mary rested among the cups and cigarette butts.

“That wasn’t a usual night,” she said. “It was a very unusual night and very unusual circumstances.”

DISAPPEARANCE

Lindsey Baum, an outgoing 4-foot-9 Girl Scout with shoulder-length brown hair, started walking home from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m. on June 26. She was 10 years old, just 11 days shy of her birthday.

Lindsey set out alone after an argument with her brother. Her cell phone battery had died earlier in the day and she left it behind. She wore a light-blue, hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans. The sun still burned low on the horizon as she started the short walk home.

A couple neighbors spotted her approaching 5th Street, but she never made it to her front door.

In the first frantic days of searching, hundreds of detectives, volunteers, search dogs, reporters and neighbors descended upon the rural crossroads. Thousands of new footprints scattered Lindsey’s last known steps.

They flooded the streets of the small East County town of about 1,500. They knocked on doors. They stomped through bushes and flew search planes over the nearby woods. Their dogs hunted for Lindsey’s scent. Television news vans transmitted her picture to screens across the country.

For weeks, volunteers in orange vests passed out fliers with Lindsey’s photo. Officers from nearby law enforcement agencies came into town to help. Neighbors held candlelight vigils in the city’s park to comfort each other and hold off despair.

Cable news programs, Nancy Grace from CNN and other shows, picked up on the mystery. Lindsey’s father flew in from Tennessee to help investigators. Lindsey’s photo turned up on bulletin boards from Ocean Shores to Olympia.

 For all of the hoping and searching, investigators could not find any evidence explaining what happened to Lindsey.

Local detectives and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents eventually moved from leading search teams through bushes to establishing a “war room” in Montesano for a long-term search. They assigned a task force of core detectives to the case full-time and worked through weekends and holidays.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said at times he forced investigators to go home as their determination to find Lindsey battled with their mounting frustration.

“They’ve put in a solid month on this case,” he said recently, “and they’re working as hard as they were when we first started.”

But as the weeks have stretched, many of the search teams went home, taking their planes, dogs and orange vests. Lindsey’s 11th birthday passed without word of her fate. Lindsey’s father returned to Tennessee. McCleary businesses who changed their reader boards to signs of support have changed them back to the daily specials.

The shadow of the unknown remains, filling the streets like the droning hum of the Simpson mill.

“It’s affected all of us,” Baum said. “It’s affected the whole community.”

With one hand reaching down to pet Cadence, she scanned the empty afternoon streets. Lindsey’s disappearance has shaken the small town. She said the groups of playing children vanished with her daughter.

“The streets are quiet,” she said, “almost deserted now compared to what they were a month ago.”

INVESTIGATION

Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Detective Polly Davin now spends most of her time about 16 miles away in a small Montesano office, filled with files, in-boxes and phones. A couple computers hum on the desktop.

The office has served as the “war room” for the investigation since the Sheriff Office’s mobile command center pulled out of McCleary.

“It’s not anything special,” she said, “but it does the job.”

Davin shares the office with a handful of sheriff’s detectives and FBI agents still dedicated to the case full-time. Other investigators come and go as necessary.

“This is my world,” she said. “I am assigned exclusively to this case.”

In the past five weeks, the investigators have questioned hundreds of people, collected thousands of tips and built a computer database of information that they hope will point them to Lindsey.

Short summary paragraphs of every tip are catalogued in 5-inch-thick binders. Davin said they just started their fifth binder.

“You get so much information on a daily basis,” she said.

Undersheriff Scott said the investigation has produced an abundance of clues, but almost no evidence. Thousands of tips have been called or sent in, but they lead in a thousand different directions, few any more likely than the others.

Investigators considered all possibilities from lost to run-away to abducted at first. As the days passed, they quickly began to fear Lindsey had been taken. They worked longer hours and re-canvased areas of town.

“You can’t work, eat and sleep one situation like this and not become obsessed about it,” Scott said.

Sheriff Mike Whelan agreed that the detectives have given everything they can to the investigation.

“Our detectives are going out there and talking to the family over and over again,” he said. “They do this so much that they get an idea of what this child is like. ... It’s almost like they knew the child even though they have never seen her before.”

Whelan said he has authorized long hours of overtime and extra resources for the case despite the department’s current budget issues.

“I don’t know what it’s cost us,” he said. “It’s cost us an awful lot, but we’re going to spend whatever it takes.”

Scott said it has been difficult to balance staff levels dedicated to the case while making sure other everyday crimes and previous cases are not neglected. He said no other cases will be ignored, but they will have to be prioritized.

“There isn’t a single detective on this case that was sitting around with nothing to do,” he said. “They all had big case loads, so we’ve had to dole that out.”

Scott said the detectives now practice a “routine” of collecting and prioritizing new tips and assigning investigators to check them out daily. The methodical approach is meant to single out valuable information, but it often ends in false leads and little reward at first.

“Every time you think you’re onto something that’s going to be viable, you hit a brick wall,” he said. “It fizzles out. Then you have to regroup and take the next task you’ve been assigned, the next tip and hope that it’s the one. And you have to go at it with the same energy.”

Davin said she is responsible for coordinating incoming information and helping sort through the daily assignments. She feels encouraged by the support from other law enforcement agencies and the investigative experience many have brought to the case.

The core investigators — Davin, Keith Peterson and Ed McGowan — have a good balance of temperaments and perspectives. They will often sit over meals and try to sort through different aspects of the case as a group.

“We talk,” she said. “We sit as a team and we talk.”

Having worked more than 10 days straight at the beginning of the search, Davin said the case has definitely taken a toll on some of the detectives. They are trying to make sure each other get enough time off so they can recharge and come back with fresh insights.

“It’s probably hard to focus at home,” she admitted.

The lost leads and dead-ends also weigh on the investigators, she said, but they know one small piece of information could turn things around quickly.

“We haven’t given up,” she said.

Despite the setbacks, Scott said the case remains the office’s highest priority. Investigators will do whatever is necessary to bring Lindsey back to her family.

“The hell that we’re going to can’t compare to theirs.”

WAITING

Melissa Baum said the anxiety hits her at night when the air quiets and she runs out of tasks to keep herself distracted.

“I cry myself to sleep begging and praying for the Lord to lead me to my daughter,” she said. “Every night I lay down with the hope that it will be tonight that they come pounding on my door at 3 a.m. and hand her to me, but every night it gets harder and harder.”

She sleeps with a copy of “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” next to her on the nightstand. The book hasn’t moved since Lindsey disappeared.

“Lindsey and I were sort of taking turns reading aloud to each other,” she said. “I haven’t touched the book. It’s still on my nightstand. I haven’t touched it.”

Baum said she and her 12-year-old son, Josh, will sit down at night to watch a movie and feel overwhelmed by Lindsey’s absence.

During the first two weeks, she almost never left home for fear she would miss a phone call. She now tries to stay busy throughout the day by posting fliers, often replacing old black-and-white versions with color posters. She talks to investigators and tries to make sure Josh has things to keep his mind occupied.

“He’s having a difficult time,” Baum said. “He’s angry. He misses his sister a lot. He’s wanting to go out and find whoever has her.”

When Baum runs out of things to do, sometimes she just gets in the car, which is plastered with fliers, and drives.

“I’ll just drive around for hours,” she said, “just drive around, hoping something will pull me toward her.”

Baum said the community support has been great. Her friends and family have collected donations to help her pay bills until she can return to work. But she says she still can’t focus on anything else.

She struggles with wondering how the investigation is going. She calls daily for updates on the case.

“I’m just at that point where I’m having a really difficult time sitting back and trusting them to do it,” she said. “I have tried really hard from the beginning to just stay out of their way.

“It’s getting hard.”

Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

“She’s an 11-year-old little girl with her whole life ahead of her,” Baum said. “I will find her because I won’t stop. I’ll never stop. I will find my daughter.”

She lit a second cigarette and glanced eastward.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt
 



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:07:01 AM
According to Kara Kampen ... Josh Baum was only few houses from her residence when he was instructed to go home.  I had been under the false impression that the Shell station was where the intervention took place.

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


I'm going to try and catch up I know that I missed some questions but there will be a delay - we have to meet friends at the park who will be releasing some B-day balloons for Lindsey.

The girls were swimming at the same home both days. At the time the girls were there it was 2 to 3 other girls (9 to 12), Lindsey, my daughter and the mother of one of the other girls (the mother to the child whose house they were at). - Hope that makes sense.

As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:09:12 AM
JOSH BAUM - RULED OUT AS A PERSON OF INTEREST?

I never realized that family members had been ruled out as suspects.

Janet

+++++++

KING 5 News – June 29, 2009

Lindsey's father lives in Tennessee. He's been in touch with police and is not considered a suspect.

Police have ruled out all family members as suspects.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:14:26 AM
MELISSA BAUM - FLIP FLOP?


MELISSA BAUM - THEN

FOX News – July 1, 2009


Melissa Baum said she thinks her little girl Lindsey, who vanished Friday night, was snatched and is no longer in their hometown.

"I don’t think she’s in McCleary. I don’t," Baum told The Daily World of Aberdeen, Wash. "Why would they keep her in McCleary? Whoever took her went on the freeway. There are three ways to get out of McCleary and all three ways there are freeways within five or 10 minutes."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,5296...latestnews


MELISSA BAUM - NOW

Daily World – August 2, 2009


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:17:59 AM
DID JOSH GO HOME AS INSTRUCTED?


Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?

 



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:20:15 AM
POLYGRAPHS - MELISSA BAUM AND SCOTT WILLIAMS


KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


KING 5 News - June 30, 2009

Baum says she volunteered to take a polygraph late today. She wanted to clear herself, although police tell us she is not a suspect.

"I don't want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don't want anything like that," says Baum. "I want everyone to know my daughter is missing."

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html
 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:24:55 AM
MLACHESTER - AN ADVOCATE FOR LINDSEY?

ConsiderING Mlachester did not attempt to hide her identity when commenting on the KOMO website and ... she involved 911, CPS as well as the small McCleary Police Department in her allegations ... I am giving her the benefit of the doubt that she is one person who did attempt to be an advocate for Lindsey Baum.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:30:39 AM
DID JOSH BAUM GO HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

If Melissa Baum was under the impression that Lindsey would be walking home with Josh ... that impression must have been erased the minute Josh walked into the house after being instructed to return home by the  "family friend" or ... did Josh not go straight home as instructed.  If not ... where was this young man between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM following his sister's departure from Kara Kampen's residence.

Considering the strained relationship between Marilyn and Melissa ... I do not believe Marilyn was the person who instructed Josh to return home following the argument with his sister.  After all ... Melissa refers to this person as a "family friend".

Janet

++++++

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:42:11 AM
MLACHESTER - AN ADVOCATE FOR LINDSEY?

In my opinion  ... no research has been revealed on the forum that mlachester's words are fabrications.  Until then I will consider mlachester as a person who has in the past had Lindsey's best interest at heart in regards to alleged abuse at the hands of her mother and brother and ... mlachester is presently speaking out in anger and frustration revealing a system that failed to protect a missing 10 year old little girl.

Could it be the McCleary Law Enforcement is focusing attention away from Melissa and Josh as suspects in an attempt to shield the "powers that be" who disregarded Marilyn's attempt to get protection for Lindsey from both her Mother and brother?

I would love to believe that Lindsey Baum had one advocate in her world that attempted to intervene on her behalf.

Janet

+++++

ACCORDING TO MLACHESTER:

Rob
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #896 on: August 08, 2009, 04:29:38 PM »


Quote
As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.

Quote
They have the reports I help Lindsey file

Quote
Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #976 on: Today at 12:34:07 AM »


this is to me from a friend of marilyns

... one time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


mlachester:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:
I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:47:12 AM
WHAT IF LE AND CPS HAD ONLY TAKEN ACTION IN THE PAST?

I will stand by my contention that mlachester has revealed the truth concerning her personal, first-hand knowledge of the dynamics encompassing Lindsey's relationship with her mother and brother.  After all ... 911, CPS and the small McCleary LE were all a part of her allegations.  I contend that mlachester ... out of frustration ... is speaking out now and revealing what LE and CPS failed to take seriously at the time and ... could have possibly prevented whatever happened to Lindsey in the two block stretch following the confirmed sighting..


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:50:16 AM
DID LINDSEY MAKE A DIVERSION IN HER JOURNEY HOME?

According to LE ... Lindsey disappeared following the confirmed sighting shortly after 9:30 PM  at Maple and 5th .... within minutes of leaving Kara Kampen's residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... within minutes of her home..

On August 2, 2005 ... there does not appear to be any official revelation to the contrary.

Janet

+++++++

MELISSA BAUM

Daily World – August 2, 2009-08-02


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:52:41 AM
CREDIBLE BACKUP?

What credible backup is there that mlachester is not revealing the truth regarding what she knows encompassing the dynamics of the Lindsey's relationship with her mother and brother.

I cannot comprehend why this woman's words are being discredited.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 11:58:39 AM
KARA KAMPEN AND SCOTT WILLIAMS

Considering the timing of the confirmed sighting of Lindsey as well as Scott Williams' passing of a polygraph ... I believe that Kara Kampen and Scott Williams had no knowledge as to the circumstances pertaining to why Lindsey failed to arrive home on the evening of June 26, 2009 after leaving their residence.


MELISSA BAUM

Considering Melissa Baum's passing of the polygraph ... I believe that Lindsey's mother had no initial knowledge pertaining to the circumstances encompassing why her daughter failed to arrive home on the evening of June 26, 2009.


KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:10:07 PM
WHAT IS THE MOTIVE TO OBSTRUCT THE INVESTIGATION?

Until the truth is revealed ...  I am speculating ... with what backup that is out there ... in my posts when I attempt to give both mlachester and KaraK the benefit of the doubt that their respective motives are honorable in their attempts to inform.

In my opinion ... mlachester has no self-serving motive to embellish lies  ... to obstruct the investigation.  A little girl known to her is missing and ... an attempt to shed some light on what possiblly could have happened and ... who may have been involved ... is where it is at.

In my opinion ... KaraK has no known motive to lie ... to obstruct the investigation.  A confirmed sighting of Lindsey at shorly after 9:30 PM on Maple and 5th ... two blocks from her home ... affirms the 9:15/9:30 PM timeframe provided to authorities by Kara Kampen and Scott Williams that Lindsey left their residence.  Scott Williams has passed a polygraph.

Janet

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Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:23:25 PM
Quote from: doubledecker on August 09, 2009, 10:48:12 PM

I was TOLD(whatever that is worth LOL) ww has a rock solid alibi.


Tamikosmom
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1212 on: August 09, 2009, 10:59:08 PM »


If Wayne Watne has been eliminated as a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum investigation ...in all probability ... this guy was on a spirtual mission to make a positive difference in the life of Josh Baum.
 
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg905738#msg905738


++++++++++


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering the route taken by Lindsey when walking home the night she went missing … considering the time of the witness sighting on Fifth and Maple and ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?  Has Wayne Watne been ruled out as a person of interest?

++++++++


Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)

Credit: doubledecker

 
The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772
 
Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum


FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:25:07 PM
Wayne Watne - Missionary At Lindsey's Church; Took Josh Fishing Etc

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:27:29 PM
There were two witness who observed Lindsey Baum in her journey along Maple on her way home on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

++++++

THE WITNESSES

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

The Daily World - July 2, 2009


Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:29:08 PM
Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 06:42:50 PM

i also am curious as to who exactly was in the kampen home the night that lindsey disappeared?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1163 on: July 05, 2009, 06:52:39 PM »


My house - Myself, Scott and my 4 kids.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865334;topicseen#msg865334


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:30:59 PM
WAS JOSH BAUM CONSIDERED A PERSON OF INTEREST?  DID JOSH BAUM RETURN HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

I have not read one quote from Kara, Melissa or Sheriff Scott that Josh Baum was considered a person of interest in the process of elimination in the investigation and ...  was interrogated accordingly.

One quote in regards to a police interrogation or ... one quote that reveals that Josh Baum went home per the family friend's instructions ... one quote that reveals that this young man was with his Mom when his sister left the Kampen/Williams residence ... will shut this wannabe detective up in regards to Josh Baum.

KaraK would not answer me directly in regards to whether Josh Baum went straight home as instructed following the argument with his sister.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:35:46 PM
MELISSA BAUM - NEVER A PERSON OF INTEREST?


McCleary LE ticked Melissa Baum off as a suspect very early on in the investigation ... prior to her passing a polygraph.  Why?  Would it not make sense ... in the process of elimination ... to consider Lindsey's mother as a person of interest.

Either this LE detatchment is incompetent or ... was on to something very early on.

Janet

+++++++


Search intensifies for missing 10-year old Washington girl
KING
Published: July 1, 2009


The missing-girl’s mother said she volunteered to take a polygraph late Tuesday, wanting to clear herself - although police tell us she is not a suspect.

“I don’t want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don’t want anything like that. I want everyone to know my daughter is missing,” said Melissa Baum, the missing-girl’s mother.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/


Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009

A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 12:57:21 PM
Think about it.

There was a confirmed sighting of Lindsey at 5th on Maple at 9:30 PM just two blocks from the Baum residence.  This would coincide with Kara Kampen and Scott Williams' time frame in regards to when Lindsey left their residence.

Considering Melissa Baum and Scott Williams passed a polygraph ... it can be assumed that neither participated in an action that resulted the disappearances of Lindsey or ... at that time possessed any knowledge encompassing what happened.

The above would imply that something happened to Lindsey in that two block stretched.

Inquiring minds want to know.  Did Josh Baum returned home as instructed following the argument with his sister?  Was he home with Mom between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM?

Janet

++++++

KOMO News – July 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


If my above two questions involving Lindsey's brother are answered ... Melissa Baum, Scott Willaims and Josh Baum ... in the process of elimination ... can ALL be eliminated as persons of interest.

Simple.

Janet


Janet,  I don't know who, beyond the police themselves can provide this information to you.  Why don't you contact them with your question? Or send them an email?  Clearly we are not going to be able to provide a link to you that will answer these questions for you. I am afraid that you are so convinced that this is what happened, that you may be  overlooking more obvious evidence that may lead in a totally different direction, or worse causing someone else to do so. 

 ::MonkeyShocked::

AZSunny ... each Monkey on this forum is free to pursue the avenue of speculation that they wish.

I do not believe that a stranger/a sex offender had anything to do with Lindsey Baum's disappearance.  However ... I have read page after page of research by Monkeys who lean in this direction.  I sincerely attempt to comprehend why it is believed that a stranger abduction is a possibility.  However ... when all is said and done ... I fail to grasp.  Nevertheless ... considering the truth remains elusive ... who am I to say that this avenue of speculative is distracting others from the truth.

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.  

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 05:39:14 PM
MLACHESTER'S OWN WORDS

Think about it.  Only comments submitted to the KOMO website and ... snippets of posts submited to other sites brought over to the SM forum by Rob ... can be directly attributed to mlachester.

There is nothing in mlachester's own words regarding "Roger" being a "roommate" of Kara Kampen.  There is nothing in mlachester's own words regarding Roger climbing in a window and breaking his ribs in the process.

It is my sincere hope that Monkeys are not bashing the messenger who is attempting to reveal the dynamics encompassing the Baum family ... dynamics that branches of LE refused to acknowledge.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++++

ACCORDING TO MLACHESTER:

Rob
Re: Lindsey Baum #3 7/28/09 -
« Reply #896 on: August 08, 2009, 04:29:38 PM »


Quote
As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.

Quote
They have the reports I help Lindsey file

Quote
Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71


mlachester:
To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:
I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor



BUMPED


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: doubledecker on August 11, 2009, 06:21:57 PM
I really would appreciate if you quit taking what I post out of context and using it as a source to try to prove what you think.  You have done that time and time again.

all the things I posted with regard to what I was TOLD were LIES FROM MARILYN LACHESTER.  I have always posted them as LIES... yet you take them out of context time and time again and use them as "your proof" and then you quote ME as the SOURCE of that info. 

Please quit doing that. 

Everything MARILYN has said or the info I have gotten that she said is a LIE.  I have stated that any time I have posted what she said, so if you are going to keep quoting that stuff don't be snipping it to look like I said that.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 06:48:15 PM
Wayne Watne - Missionary At Lindsey's Church; Took Josh Fishing Etc

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


I have believed that ... in the process of elimination ... Wayne Watne should have been regarded as a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum investigation.  Think about the location his residence in relation to the Baum residence.  There could possibly have been a chance encounter in that two block stretch between the confirmed sighting of Lindsey and her home.  Also ... Wayne Watne had a connection with both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (church).

However ... now that it has been revealed that Wayne Watne may have a solid alibi for the evening of June 26, 2009 ... indepth speculation in a designated thread regarding this man has come to a halt.

Something akin to Josh Baum.  When the argument with his sister that dictated intervention was considered and ... it cannot be determined if this young man went home as instructed by the family friend who intervened ... it cannot be determined that he was home with Mom when his sister left Kara Kampen's residence at between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... in the process of elimination ...  believed that Josh Baum should be considered a person of interest in the investigation into the disappearance of his sister.

If it is determined that Josh Baum was home with Mom in that time period or ... if he was not but ... he has a solid alibi ... I will focus my speculations elsewhere in regards to possible persons of interest and ... this thread will be considered a non issue.

Wayne Watne was not given a free pass in regards to speculation.  Boy ... was he not given a free pass.  Just read the designated thread.  Therefore ... Josh Baum should not be given a free pass in regards to speculation.

Janet


++++++++


WAYNE WATNE

I am not accusing Wayne Watne of being a participant in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but … considering the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence ... considering the route taken by Lindsey when walking home the night she went missing … considering the time of the witness sighting on Fifth and Maple and ... considering Wayne Watne’s connection to both Josh and Lindsey ... is it possible there was an encounter with Lindsey at approximately 9:30 PM on the evening of June 26, 2009?  Has Wayne Watne been ruled out as a person of interest?

++++++++


Wayne Watne - Residential Address

400 S 3RD ST
MCCLEARY, WA 98557-9658
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY
(05/2008-05/2008)

Credit: doubledecker

 
The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772
 
Kara Kampen – Mother of Lindsey’s friend Michaela


Examiner - July 1, 2009

Lindsey’s Girl Scout troop leader, Becky Spalding said, “I had to tell her to be quiet because she was laughing all the time. It’s very unbelievable. You see this on the news, but you never know anyone who it’s happened to.”

Wayne Watne, a member of the Evergreen Christian Community Church and representative of Harvest Vision Ministries said prayers for Lindsey’s return.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d1-Emotional-vigil-held-for-missing-Washington-girl-Lindsey-Baum

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization.

The FBI now wants neighbors to think about anyone who may have been in the area Friday night. They also want to hear about anyone suddenly engaging in strange behavior, such as not showing up for work, selling their car for no reason or changing their appearance.

"We're certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to," said Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


I was TOLD(whatever that is worth LOL) ww has a rock solid alibi.

Thanks DD.

If Wayne Watne has been eliminated as a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum investigation ...in all probability ... this guy was on a spirtual mission to make a positive difference in the life of Josh Baum.

Janet

 

well just because I was TOLD WW HAS A ROCK SOLID ALIBI, does not mean it is true, but it MOST LIKELY is true.









 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: love4ever on August 11, 2009, 07:24:16 PM
tamiksmom, call the LE and ask them where Josh was at the time Lindsey went missing, thats what you need to do to clear your mind, DD is not the law, she is a researcher


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: love4ever on August 11, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
or anyone else you wish to know about


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 07:50:28 PM
tamiksmom, call the LE and ask them where Josh was at the time Lindsey went missing, thats what you need to do to clear your mind, DD is not the law, she is a researcher

I am not going to call McCleary LE.  I do not believe that any Monkey has called LE and received an answer to their queries in regards to speculation regarding any other possible person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.

My postings are not about DD.  She is not a consideration.  We are on different paths and ... that is OK with me.  I took AZ Sunny's advise and ... I am posting off the main thread in regards to my speculations that do not conform with DD's research.  In other words ... I am not being a distraction on the main thread.     

Janet

+++++


Fanny Mae,
McCleary did not have a 4th of July celebration/parade.  Need to have your facts straight.  And you can't know the attitude & sadness of a town unless you are here.

Heidismom

Do you have a personal connection to the Baum family?

Thank you

Janet
No, I don't, just great compassion for them for what they are going through.  I also feel so badly for Josh as he faces his teen & adult years with challenges that are not anyone's fault.

What has been revealed in regards to the various troubling issues encompassing Josh Baum ... I too feel for this young man.  Nevertheless ... considering the heated argument just prior to his sister's disappearance ... the heated argument that dictated intervention by a family friend ... Josh Baum must be considered a person of interest until eliminated by LE.  In the name of justice for Lindsey Baum ... no person of interest should be given a free pass.

Heidismom ... thank you for responding.

Janet

Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M



Chi, I don't think anyone said we were not considering Josh or that it couldn't be discussed, or that investigations on his background are not important. It doesn't mean that we can't focus on other issues, and not dedicate the whole thread to one suspect.  When page after page is covered on one issue, we lose focus on all the other suspects and circumstances. 

 Do I personally think Josh was involved, NO...I don't think he is mentally capable or focused enough to have done this by himself. Maybe the focus should be who may have helped him?  Not his mother as she has taken a poly and passed.  Perhaps there should be a separate thread just to discuss Josh.  Would that keep everyone happy??


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 09:47:55 PM

WHY WAS MELISSA BAUM NOT INITIALLY A PERSON OF INTEREST?

Two weeks following Lindsey Baum's disappearance Sheriff Scott was still claiming "Runaway".  This man knew that this little girl had been spotted two blocks away from her home on her route from the Kampen residence.

From day one the focus of the investigation tended to be directed in every direction except the Baum family.  Polygraphs were not requested. 

I tend to believe that the McCleary LE is at the very least incompetent and ... at the very most ...

 Janet

+++++

The Daily World – July 1, 2009

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said an abduction scenario is entirely possible, but investigators are also not discounting the notion that Lindsey ran away from home or got hurt somewhere and couldn’t get back home.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


KIRO - July 13, 2009

Authorities have been working on the theory that she might have run away to Tennessee, where her father lives.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/20040149/detail.html


Search intensifies for missing 10-year old Washington girl
KING
Published: July 1, 2009


The missing-girl’s mother said she volunteered to take a polygraph late Tuesday, wanting to clear herself - although police tell us she is not a suspect.

“I don’t want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don’t want anything like that. I want everyone to know my daughter is missing,” said Melissa Baum, the missing-girl’s mother.

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/national/article/search_intensifies_for_missing_10-year_old_washington_girl/40240/


FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
The extensive research that took place in regards to the person of Wayne Watne as well as his church connections can be accessed on the following threads.

When the location of his residence in relation to the Baum residence as well as his connection to both Josh (fishing) and Lindsey (church ) is considered ... I had no  problem with all this research.

However ... when all is said and done ... it appears that Wayne Watne has an alibi for the evening of June 26, 2005.  In my opinion ... this revelation would deem that the timing is right for research and speculation to be halted on this man in regards to a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet

+++++++++
 
Wayne Watne - Missionary At Lindsey's Church; Took Josh Fishing Etc
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Topic: The Weirdos Connected To The Churches & Strange Goings-On
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5683.0



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 11, 2009, 10:57:06 PM
In the process of elimination ... all avenues ... even difficult avenues ... must be explored.

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1936 on: July 10, 2009, 07:07:48 PM
»

The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg873229#msg873229


"You can't imagine the guilt"
By Callie White
The Daily World
Friday, July 3, 2009 11:12 AM PDT


Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 02:10:25 PM
Experts say Lindsey Baum likely abducted by someone she knew
July 3, 4:01 AM


Ron Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge said, “We’re certainly not looking for a witch hunt or anything of that sort, but the bottom line is we have a missing girl. And so anyone who is in this area is going to be someone we want to talk to.”

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d3-Experts-say-Lindsey-Baum-likely-abducted-by-someone-she-knew


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 02:16:36 PM

THE FBI


Experts say Lindsey Baum likely abducted by someone she knew
July 3, 4:01 AM


The FBI has now joined in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum who disappeared on a 10-minute walk home on Friday night.

The FBI is asking Lindsey’s neighbors to try and remember if anyone was acting suspicious in the area on Friday night. They are also looking for information regarding anyone who might began engaging in strange behavior, such as selling a vehicle for no reason, not showing up for work, or changing their appearance.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1168-Crime-Examiner~y2009m7d3-Experts-say-Lindsey-Baum-likely-abducted-by-someone-she-knew




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 02:33:59 PM
No official source in the Lindsey Baum case states that Josh Baum was interrogated as a person of interest.  Official sources are forthright in regards to others who may have had a possibly connection to Lindsey were questioned.

When the argument that took place between Josh and his sister minutes prior to Lindsey disappearing is considered ... when the necessity of an intervention is considered ... I hope that this young man was not overlooked.

Janet

++++++   


THE FBI

June 30, 2009
Police Search With Dogs, Check In on Sex Offenders


Scott said that, with the FBI's expertise with missing children, authorities have been conducting a simultaneous search and rescue operation with a criminal investigation, hoping to find leads.

The latter includes checking up on the resident and transient sex offenders in McCleary and neighboring communities and reviewing surveillance videos.

http://i.abcnews.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 03:00:28 PM
Does any Monkeys know if it illegal for the police interrogate a minor?

Janet
I don't know about interrogating a minor but I would think they could question them if needed.

Thanks Karma

There are legal eagles on the forum who may be able to shed some light on this issue.

It dawned on me that even with parental permission the questioning of a minor who could unknowingly be implicating himself/herself in a crime may be in some way infringing on his/her rights.  Therefore ... anything revealed by that minor may not be used against him/her.

Janet




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 03:11:16 PM
A LEGAL HINDRANCE IN THE ROAD TO JUSTICE?

Could the above be the reason that the Lindsey Baum case has come to a stand still.  Could the truth be known or strongly suspected but ...?

Could the above be the reason that the search of two weeks ago focused on residences and properties in the area where "Lindsey was last seen" with cadaver dogs?

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Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
Story Published: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM PDT


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- It's been more than a month since Lindsey Baum disappeared while walking home from a friend's house, but investigators are not giving up.

On Tuesday, detectives from Pierce County joined the search, hoping to turn up new leads or tips in the case.

They searched homes, trash cans and crawl spaces near where Lindsey was last seen, and cadaver-sniffing dogs were also brought in to comb the area

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html

 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Leroy on August 12, 2009, 03:38:34 PM
Janet - I am finding it very beneficial re-reading some of these older articles....as time passes and more and more info comes out, I seem to forget some of the details...details that back then may have seemed liked nothing but could now be very important.  I may actually go back and start from the beginning again. 

Thanks for the refreshers!


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 04:22:34 PM
Janet - I am finding it very beneficial re-reading some of these older articles....as time passes and more and more info comes out, I seem to forget some of the details...details that back then may have seemed liked nothing but could now be very important.  I may actually go back and start from the beginning again. 

Thanks for the refreshers!

Leroy ... you made my day.  Thank you.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 07:13:01 PM
INTERROGATION OF A CHILD?

When it is considered that a child may not fully comprehend the legal ramifications encompassing a confession during a police interrogation/questioning in the course of an investigation ... something does not seem right.

Would a child not be required under the law to have legal representation appointed if questioned/interrogated when it is considered that during the course of that questioning/interrogation his/her words may implicate him/her in a crime.

I believe that most attorneys would advise their client ... child or adult ... not to reveal anything during questioning/interrogation that may implicate him/her in  wrongdoing.

Maybe I have been watch too many episodes of LA Law.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 09:23:04 PM
Today I sent the follow email to Ronald Twersky, FBI assistant special agent in charge.

Janet

+++++++


DID JOSH BAUM GO HOME AS INSTRUCTED?

In the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should be considered a person of interest in his sister's disappearance unless he was sitting at home with his Mom between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... the time Lindsey left the Kampen residence.  Home is where he should have been if he had adhered to the instructions of the "family friend" who intervened in the bike argument between him and his sister moments prior to the time Lindsey should have arrived home.  Inquiring minds want to know if Josh Baum returned home as instructed.
 
Why are spokespersons for the investigation silent in regards to Josh Baum?  Speculation and rumors regarding this young man's possible involvment can be laid to rest if the answer was forthcoming from an official source.
 
A response would be appreciated.
 
Thank you.
 
Janet
 
+++++++++
 
ABC News - June 30, 2009
Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
 

KARA KAMPEN - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
Kara Kampen:
  The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.   

Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

 
The Daily World - July 3, 2009
Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...
http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 10:07:35 PM
http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_081209WAB-lindsey-baum-mom-KS.d38b630d.html

Where is Josh Baum?

Janet



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 12, 2009, 10:10:41 PM
“I will find my daughter”
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Power lines hang low over the narrow, gravel-lined stretch of asphalt in McCleary called Maple Street.

Cars roll past rows of small houses. Sprinklers spin in the front yards. Shrubs and street lights stand on either side of the road.

From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

Baum sat on her front step earlier this week, staring eastward toward Maple Street with the faint plinking of wind chimes behind her. She lit a cigarette.

“It’s really frustrating,” she said.

The family dog, Cadence, curled up on the concrete at her feet. Signs of support hung in the windows. Empty Diet Coke cans and fountain drinks sat stacked beside her chair after hours of waiting and watching the end of the road.

“It was all a fluke that whole night,” Baum explained quietly. “It’s like everything fell into place. The one time she left the house without her cell phone. The one time she started walking home alone.”
 
A prayer candle with an image of the Virgin Mary rested among the cups and cigarette butts.

“That wasn’t a usual night,” she said. “It was a very unusual night and very unusual circumstances.”

DISAPPEARANCE

Lindsey Baum, an outgoing 4-foot-9 Girl Scout with shoulder-length brown hair, started walking home from her friend’s house shortly after 9 p.m. on June 26. She was 10 years old, just 11 days shy of her birthday.

Lindsey set out alone after an argument with her brother. Her cell phone battery had died earlier in the day and she left it behind. She wore a light-blue, hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans. The sun still burned low on the horizon as she started the short walk home.

A couple neighbors spotted her approaching 5th Street, but she never made it to her front door.

In the first frantic days of searching, hundreds of detectives, volunteers, search dogs, reporters and neighbors descended upon the rural crossroads. Thousands of new footprints scattered Lindsey’s last known steps.

They flooded the streets of the small East County town of about 1,500. They knocked on doors. They stomped through bushes and flew search planes over the nearby woods. Their dogs hunted for Lindsey’s scent. Television news vans transmitted her picture to screens across the country.

For weeks, volunteers in orange vests passed out fliers with Lindsey’s photo. Officers from nearby law enforcement agencies came into town to help. Neighbors held candlelight vigils in the city’s park to comfort each other and hold off despair.

Cable news programs, Nancy Grace from CNN and other shows, picked up on the mystery. Lindsey’s father flew in from Tennessee to help investigators. Lindsey’s photo turned up on bulletin boards from Ocean Shores to Olympia.

 For all of the hoping and searching, investigators could not find any evidence explaining what happened to Lindsey.

Local detectives and Federal Bureau of Investigation agents eventually moved from leading search teams through bushes to establishing a “war room” in Montesano for a long-term search. They assigned a task force of core detectives to the case full-time and worked through weekends and holidays.

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said at times he forced investigators to go home as their determination to find Lindsey battled with their mounting frustration.

“They’ve put in a solid month on this case,” he said recently, “and they’re working as hard as they were when we first started.”

But as the weeks have stretched, many of the search teams went home, taking their planes, dogs and orange vests. Lindsey’s 11th birthday passed without word of her fate. Lindsey’s father returned to Tennessee. McCleary businesses who changed their reader boards to signs of support have changed them back to the daily specials.

The shadow of the unknown remains, filling the streets like the droning hum of the Simpson mill.

“It’s affected all of us,” Baum said. “It’s affected the whole community.”

With one hand reaching down to pet Cadence, she scanned the empty afternoon streets. Lindsey’s disappearance has shaken the small town. She said the groups of playing children vanished with her daughter.

“The streets are quiet,” she said, “almost deserted now compared to what they were a month ago.”

INVESTIGATION

Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Detective Polly Davin now spends most of her time about 16 miles away in a small Montesano office, filled with files, in-boxes and phones. A couple computers hum on the desktop.

The office has served as the “war room” for the investigation since the Sheriff Office’s mobile command center pulled out of McCleary.

“It’s not anything special,” she said, “but it does the job.”

Davin shares the office with a handful of sheriff’s detectives and FBI agents still dedicated to the case full-time. Other investigators come and go as necessary.

“This is my world,” she said. “I am assigned exclusively to this case.”

In the past five weeks, the investigators have questioned hundreds of people, collected thousands of tips and built a computer database of information that they hope will point them to Lindsey.

Short summary paragraphs of every tip are catalogued in 5-inch-thick binders. Davin said they just started their fifth binder.

“You get so much information on a daily basis,” she said.

Undersheriff Scott said the investigation has produced an abundance of clues, but almost no evidence. Thousands of tips have been called or sent in, but they lead in a thousand different directions, few any more likely than the others.

Investigators considered all possibilities from lost to run-away to abducted at first. As the days passed, they quickly began to fear Lindsey had been taken. They worked longer hours and re-canvased areas of town.

“You can’t work, eat and sleep one situation like this and not become obsessed about it,” Scott said.

Sheriff Mike Whelan agreed that the detectives have given everything they can to the investigation.

“Our detectives are going out there and talking to the family over and over again,” he said. “They do this so much that they get an idea of what this child is like. ... It’s almost like they knew the child even though they have never seen her before.”

Whelan said he has authorized long hours of overtime and extra resources for the case despite the department’s current budget issues.

“I don’t know what it’s cost us,” he said. “It’s cost us an awful lot, but we’re going to spend whatever it takes.”

Scott said it has been difficult to balance staff levels dedicated to the case while making sure other everyday crimes and previous cases are not neglected. He said no other cases will be ignored, but they will have to be prioritized.

“There isn’t a single detective on this case that was sitting around with nothing to do,” he said. “They all had big case loads, so we’ve had to dole that out.”

Scott said the detectives now practice a “routine” of collecting and prioritizing new tips and assigning investigators to check them out daily. The methodical approach is meant to single out valuable information, but it often ends in false leads and little reward at first.

“Every time you think you’re onto something that’s going to be viable, you hit a brick wall,” he said. “It fizzles out. Then you have to regroup and take the next task you’ve been assigned, the next tip and hope that it’s the one. And you have to go at it with the same energy.”

Davin said she is responsible for coordinating incoming information and helping sort through the daily assignments. She feels encouraged by the support from other law enforcement agencies and the investigative experience many have brought to the case.

The core investigators — Davin, Keith Peterson and Ed McGowan — have a good balance of temperaments and perspectives. They will often sit over meals and try to sort through different aspects of the case as a group.

“We talk,” she said. “We sit as a team and we talk.”

Having worked more than 10 days straight at the beginning of the search, Davin said the case has definitely taken a toll on some of the detectives. They are trying to make sure each other get enough time off so they can recharge and come back with fresh insights.

“It’s probably hard to focus at home,” she admitted.

The lost leads and dead-ends also weigh on the investigators, she said, but they know one small piece of information could turn things around quickly.

“We haven’t given up,” she said.

Despite the setbacks, Scott said the case remains the office’s highest priority. Investigators will do whatever is necessary to bring Lindsey back to her family.

“The hell that we’re going to can’t compare to theirs.”

WAITING

Melissa Baum said the anxiety hits her at night when the air quiets and she runs out of tasks to keep herself distracted.

“I cry myself to sleep begging and praying for the Lord to lead me to my daughter,” she said. “Every night I lay down with the hope that it will be tonight that they come pounding on my door at 3 a.m. and hand her to me, but every night it gets harder and harder.”

She sleeps with a copy of “Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets” next to her on the nightstand. The book hasn’t moved since Lindsey disappeared.

“Lindsey and I were sort of taking turns reading aloud to each other,” she said. “I haven’t touched the book. It’s still on my nightstand. I haven’t touched it.”

Baum said she and her 12-year-old son, Josh, will sit down at night to watch a movie and feel overwhelmed by Lindsey’s absence.

During the first two weeks, she almost never left home for fear she would miss a phone call. She now tries to stay busy throughout the day by posting fliers, often replacing old black-and-white versions with color posters. She talks to investigators and tries to make sure Josh has things to keep his mind occupied.

“He’s having a difficult time,” Baum said. “He’s angry. He misses his sister a lot. He’s wanting to go out and find whoever has her.”

When Baum runs out of things to do, sometimes she just gets in the car, which is plastered with fliers, and drives.

“I’ll just drive around for hours,” she said, “just drive around, hoping something will pull me toward her.”

Baum said the community support has been great. Her friends and family have collected donations to help her pay bills until she can return to work. But she says she still can’t focus on anything else.

She struggles with wondering how the investigation is going. She calls daily for updates on the case.

“I’m just at that point where I’m having a really difficult time sitting back and trusting them to do it,” she said. “I have tried really hard from the beginning to just stay out of their way.

“It’s getting hard.”

Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

“She’s an 11-year-old little girl with her whole life ahead of her,” Baum said. “I will find her because I won’t stop. I’ll never stop. I will find my daughter.”

She lit a second cigarette and glanced eastward.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt
 

Where is Josh Baum?


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 09:46:17 AM
Vigil for Lindsey Baum
Saturday, July 25, 2009 1:14 AM PDT
(http://**/content/articles/2009/07/25/local_news/doc4a6aa5c68f2f5025052526.jpg)



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 10:29:42 AM


Where is Jim Mullin's Creek?  Is it far from 5th and Maple?  Is this creek the one shown on the map provided by Karma?

I wonder what led authorities to search that creek early on in the investigation?

Janet

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Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009


After four days, searchers say they're trying to remain optimistic. Today Grays Harbor County called in the State Patrol's plane for help.

More dogs were called out to look in the neighborhood where Lindsey was last seen walking home from a friend's house Friday night.

Every option is still on the table for police, who say Lindsey could have been injured, lost, kidnapped or just ran away.

"We have not found evidence, we have not found circumstances, witnesses or information that speaks specifically as to what happened to Lindsey," said Scott.

Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.  

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html


MAP

KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum ~ Photos, Maps and Links
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2009, 11:50:39 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5580.40


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 12:31:29 PM

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_081209WAB-lindsey-baum-mom-KS.d38b630d.html

Where is Josh Baum?

Janet



Missing McCleary girl's mom heading to NY
06:20 PM PDT on Wednesday, August 12, 2009
By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News


McCLEARY, Wash. - The mother of a girl missing since June is going to New York City to raise awareness about missing children.

Melissa Baum will be part of the “Amber Ready Back to School Safety Weekend” starting Friday in Times Square. Amber Ready is a company that produces DNA and fingerprint kits for children.

Baum’s 10-year-old daughter Lindsey vanished June 26. Lindsey was last seen walking home from a friend’s house. Police have not found her or anyone who knows what happened to her.

“I know she’s alive,” said Melissa Baum, who refuses to give up hope her daughter will be found safe.

Melissa Baum just bought school supplies for Lindsey. She’s supposed to start school as a sixth grader later this summer

A $10,000 reward is being offered to anyone who helps police locate Lindsey.

The reward started as a $6,000 offer, but an anonymous donor raised it to $10,000.

“There are people out there that really do care,” said Melissa Baum.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_081209WAB-lindsey-baum-mom-KS.d38b630d.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 01:44:53 PM
I have no doubt that Melissa Baum is being used by Michelle Bart to further Bart's personal  agenda ... but I somehow believe that Melissa Baum also is going to benefit financially from this ABC special.  Think about George and Cindy Anthony and ... their network interviews.

I hope I am wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 01:46:05 PM
Okay, I'm stealing Muffy's line for a minute...

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan

There are several of us that are *jaded* because of Cindy & George Anthonys' actions, so I can understand how some monkeys feel about MB and the ABC special.

Not that I agree, but I certainly understand.




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 03:37:40 PM
Considering Michelle Bart ... whose motives we all agree are suspect ... has taken Melissa Baum under her wing for the New York ABC special ... I contend this relationship is not a non-issue ... it should be monitored closely.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 04:07:19 PM
What if Marilyn LaChester is telling the truth in regards to physical abuse by both Melissa and Josh towards Lindsey ... physical abuse that involved reports being filed with the McCleary Police Department and CPS ... filed and not acted upon.

No backup to the contrary has been revealed in any of the Lindsey Baum Threads.

Without backup to the contrary ... without backup that Marilyn LaChester is the grandmother of all liars and ... most of all ... out of love for Lindsey ... I cannot let this go.

If I have missed something ... link please.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++++


MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

p://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 05:46:39 PM

What has been revealed in regards to the various troubling issues encompassing Josh Baum ... I feel for this young man.  Nevertheless ... considering the heated argument just prior to his sister's disappearance ... the heated argument that dictated intervention by a family friend ... Josh Baum must be considered a person of interest until eliminated as a person of interest by LE.  In the name of justice for Lindsey Baum ... no person of interest should be given a free pass.

Janet

Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: sunshine12 on August 13, 2009, 08:21:40 PM
What if Marilyn LaChester is telling the truth in regards to physical abuse by both Melissa and Josh towards Lindsey ... physical abuse that involved reports being filed with the McCleary Police Department and CPS ... filed and not acted upon.

No backup to the contrary has been revealed in any of the Lindsey Baum Threads.

Without backup to the contrary ... without backup that Marilyn LaChester is the grandmother of all liars and ... most of all ... out of love for Lindsey ... I cannot let this go.

If I have missed something ... link please.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++++


MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

p://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974



i think that mlachester is a mixed bag of the truth and lies.  i know many people believe the theory that "once a liar always a liar" and if someone is lying about one thing then they must be lying about everything...but i dont know in this case.  either this woman is completely delusional (which is possible) or she's so mad and upset about lb missing, and is so certain that the mother or brother had something to do w/it because of insider knowledge she has on the family dynamic (possibly things lb has told her) that she's trying to make them look bad to the public.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: love4ever on August 13, 2009, 08:51:49 PM
Okay, I'm stealing Muffy's line for a minute...

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts." ~ Daniel Patrick Moynihan


There are several of us that are *jaded* because of Cindy & George Anthonys' actions, so I can understand how some monkeys feel about MB and the ABC special.

Not that I agree, but I certainly understand.



Leroy ... you are one class act.  You know how to respectfully disagree with another's opinion.  Thank you.

I was taught a lesson by my parents and ... I passed this lesson on to my now grown children ... "It is not what you say ... it is how you say it" that will determine the response.

I am getting so sick as well as discouraged of being bashed by a few on this forum for not blindly giving Josh and Melissa Baum a free pass in regards to their actions and motives.

Until the truth is known what happened to Lindsy Baum ...

Janet

 


Something you are very good at...

love4ever

I do believe I detect something called sarcasm.

Please link to one of my post that reveal disrespect to a poster who is not on the same page as me in regards to an issue..

I sincerely attempt to stop and consider my words on the forums and ... in my life.  In otherwords dialogue is where it is at.  However ... I concede there are times I fail in that attempt and ... if I have been disrespectful ... I apologize.

Janet
   

Actually, I am not being sarcastic, I am stating the obvious. I am not playing the linking game with you, sorry. You are not being disrespectful, you are just being you. So commence with your posts, I shall ignore them from now on. Your dialogue has not proved anything in my research, in fact, it stalls further progress. Furthermore, I am not perfect and I make mistakes too, but I do not wish to go around in a vicious circle about things we can not prove. Personally that would drive me insane. Carry on... this will be my last post to you..


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 10:58:25 PM
Latest Map: Credit to jvk over yonder:

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Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 11:43:52 AM
There was a confirmed sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple on the evening of June 26, 2009.  Why would Lindsey have backtracked and taken the 6th Street route?

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen


ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 12:03:15 PM

The confirmed sighting of Lindsey on 5th Street was two block further along the Maple Street route from where Michaela Kampen's last sighting of Lindsey on 7th Street.  According to the above map ... this would imply that Lindsey would have had to backtrack along Maple Street if she made the decision or was forced to take the 6th Street route when she was just a short distance from her home.

I tend to believe that this little girl made it as far as the Shell Station and ... then something bad happened while checking to make sure her brother had picked up her bike.  I could be wrong.

Janet


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THE ARGUMENT

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1
 

KARA KAMPEN - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
Kara Kampen:
  The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.

Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple   

Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

 
The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt



THE BIKE

Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 01:05:24 PM

Why was Melissa Baum not concerned that BOTH Josh and Lindsey were not home by the curfew time of 10:00 PM ... only Lindsey?

Could it be that Josh Baum DID conform to the family friend's instructions and ... returned home immediately following the argument he had with his sister?

When the argument is considered why is the topic of Josh Baum a non-issue in the media ... press releases ... forums ....?

Janet

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 04:03:25 AM

What time did Melissa contact you with her concern that the girls had not returned home?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »

I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864836;topicseen#msg864836


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
I emailed the following timeline to:

1.  Director of Search Operations (Klaaskids) - Lindsey Baum Case
2.  Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office - Lindsey Baum Case
3.  FBI Seattle Division - Lindsey Baum Case

Janet

++++++++++

When the confirmed sightings of Lindsey Baum is considered ... the little girl went missing between 15th on Maple and ... her home. 


WHERE WAS JOSH BAUM?

In the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should be considered a person of interest in his sister's disappearance unless he was sitting at home with his Mom at 9:15 ... the time Lindsey left the Kampen residence.  Home is where he should have been if he had adhered to the instructions of the "family friend" who intervened in the bike argument between him and his sister less than an hour prior to the time Lindsey should have arrived home.  Inquiring minds want to know if Josh Baum returned home as instructed.


THE SHELL STATION

Following the confirmed sighting on 15th and Maple … did Lindsey Baum stop at the Shell Station on her way home to see if the bike had been taken home by her brother following the argument.  Could there have been a chance meeting with Josh?  Were station employees there?

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TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
8:15 PM (?) – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
8:45 PM (?) - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 pm - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE



8:15 PM – VIDEO STORE

The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


8:15 PM (?) – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE

Kara Kampen:  Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with.


8:45 PM (?) - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.


9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE

KOMO News – June 28, 2009-08-21

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE

The Daily World – July 3, 2009-08-21

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


9:30 - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:41:32 PM
I do not comprehend the discrepancies.  I do not think Undersheriff Rick Scott has a clue.  IMO.

Janet

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Police Receive New Tips, Continue Search for Missing Washington Girl
Tuesday, July 28, 2009


Search and rescue teams are combing areas around where a 10-year-old Washington girl disappeared last month after police received numerous tips, local FOX affiliate Q13 reports.

Lindsay Baum vanished June 26 as she walked from her friend's house to her own home. Her mother called police when she didn't return that evening.

Undersheriff Rick Scott says so far in the investigation they've received about 700 tips.

"This is a girl with no means, no money, and no true opportunity to leave. We have nothing specifically that is pointing us in any direction that is going to allow us to rule out any scenario ... this may be a worst case scenario criminal investigation involving a predator or predatory behavior," Scott told Q13.

Several agencies, including the FBI, Crime Stoppers and the Pierce County Sheriff's Office, are assisting in the search.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535201,00.html?test=latestnews


Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

""Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 04:25:09 PM
THE SHELL STATION - THE BIKE

Following the confirmed sighting on 15th and Maple … did Lindsey Baum stop at the Shell Station on her way home to see if her bike had been retrived by her brother following the argument.  Could there have been a chance meeting with Josh?  Were station employees there?

When you consider the argument between Lindsey and Josh ... I cannot comprehend why authorities did not consider the bike as possible evidence.  According to Kara Kampen ... the bike remained at the Shell station for two or three days.  I wonder who picked up the bike ... authorities or ... Josh or Melissa Baum.

Janet

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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 02:31:17 PM
Klaas Family Help In New Search For Missing McCleary Girl Lindsey Baum
National Organizations Klaas Kids Foundation and Laura Recovery Center Join in New Search for Lindsey Baum
Lara Yamada Reporter
August 27, 2009

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-092709-missingmcclearylindseybaumsearch,0,1325038.story?page=1




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 02:34:42 PM
Father of murdered California girl helping McCleary family
By DREW MIKKELSEN / KING 5 News
KING5
updated 11:48 p.m. PT, Thurs., Aug 27, 2009

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32589512/ns/local_news-seattle_wa/


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 04:21:50 PM
I wonder if any of the properties along the Maple Street route between the witness' sighting of Lindsey and her home were searched.  I wonder if the Shell Station property was searched.  I wonder if the Baum property was searched.

Could Lindsey Baum be hidden in plain sight under debris or foilage?

Janet

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Renewed effort in search for girlMissing since June 26: News about abductee’s return after 18 years draws people to help find Lindsey
ROLF BOONE; The Olympian | • Published August 30, 2009

McCleary – Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

http://www.theolympian.com/112/story/954641.html?storylink=omni_popular


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 06:22:32 PM
KARA KAMPEN:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most  recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1229 on: July 05, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »


I am a bit confused now as to where the eye witness says she saw Lindsey. I would strongly suggest if my information is the only one throwing the witness accounts off base then I would ignore what I said. I did not see Lindsey after she left so I could not accurately attest to which direction she headed. I had thought that the witness originally stated going up 6th but I have not been able to find where I read that so maybe I did not. That is why it seemed to add up with what I was told early on about the tracking dogs... This is my major gray area so I should probably refrain from speculating since now I seem to be the one adding a "rumored" account.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865710#msg865710


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1461 on: July 07, 2009, 12:27:39 AM »


I don't believe any search warrants were issued that I am aware of. Within hours the police searched both my and the Baum residences and then the FBI and Sheriff's dept. did as well. We authorized access as did Melissa Baum so I don't think they needed to get warrants. They also searched the property around both of our homes with teams, agents and dogs nearly if not daily up until 2 days ago I believe it was.  The only property obtained from the my home after search were the computers and those were volunteered so I don't think they needed to file paperwork.

I am not sure about any other homes except for those of my neighbors that were searched and I was outside so I know those were both voluntary as well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867561#msg867561


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 06:43:08 PM
Sheriff Rick Scott claims that tracking dogs did not pick up Lindsey Baum's scent anywhere in town and witnesses placed Lindsey at 5th and Maple.

This is contrary to KaraK's claim that tracking dogs picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of Sixth and Maple and ... along Sixth as well as a witness account of Lindsey on Sixth (See above post).

As of August 2, 2009 ... Melissa Baum's understanding was that there was a witness sighting of her daughter at 5th and Maple.

Janet

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THE MEDIA:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE MAPLE STREET ROUTE?

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Melissa Baum

The Daily World - August 2, 2009


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

p://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 05:58:56 PM
Quote from: Tamikosmom on August 03, 2009, 03:18:05 PM

What has been revealed by Kara Kampen in regards to the various troubling dynamics encompassing Josh Baum social issues ... I too feel for this young man.  Nevertheless ... considering the heated argument just prior to his sister's disappearance ... the heated argument that dictated intervention by a family friend ... Josh Baum must be considered a person of interest until eliminated by LE.  In the name of justice for Lindsey Baum ... no person of interest should be given a free pass in the process of elimination.

Janet


RESPONSE:


chi-monkey
Re: Lindsey Baum #3
« Reply #706 on: August 03, 2009, 05:44:11 PM »


Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg899247;topicseen#msg899247





Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:04:01 PM
Could the following ... if true ... be the reason that McCleary LE has been silenced in regards to Josh Baum and Melissa Baum as persons of interest.  Think about the fallout for the department if the disappearance of Lindsey Baum involved either her brother or mother.

Janet

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MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


MAMAHEAD - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?
 
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html





Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:04:29 PM
LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: carolb on September 15, 2009, 12:13:05 PM
LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045

I never noticed that she called herself "twilight freak".


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 01:31:12 PM
I speculate and give the benefit of the doubt that the silence and lack of action from the LE as well as ... the words of Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott (see above) ... imply that LE ... at the very least ... have suspicions regarding who is behind the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... do not have the backup evidence and ... are bound legally from identifying the person of interest.

When the words of both Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott are considered ... there was gathered information the day following Lindsey Baum's disappearance ... gathered information that implied that that little girl was not a victim of a stranger abduction. 

Janet

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KOMO NEWS - JULY 1, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization ...

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 01:33:11 PM
SELF EDIT

(see above) s/b (see below)


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 02:11:22 PM
Considering the only search conducted by LE since the initial search when Lindsey Baum went missing was focused on the area encompassing the route taken by the little girl on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... I am convinced me that the LE were searching for evidence to back up suspicions regarding a person of interest.

Janet

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ONE MONTH LATER ...

Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
Story Published: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM PDT

 
By Luke Duecy  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- It's been more than a month since Lindsey Baum disappeared while walking home from a friend's house, but investigators are not giving up.

On Tuesday, detectives from Pierce County joined the search, hoping to turn up new leads or tips in the case.

They searched homes, trash cans and crawl spaces near where Lindsey was last seen, and cadaver-sniffing dogs were also brought in to comb the area.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 07:05:56 PM
There was almost one hour between the witness sightings on 9:30 PM and Melissa Baum's call to Kara Kampen at 10:25 PM.

Could it be that something bad happened to Lindsey within that hour and assistance from Wayne Watne was requested or ... should Wayne Watne ... in the process of elimination ... be considered a person of interest in Lindsey's disappearance.  The close distance of his residence from the route Lindsey took that night ....

In all probability ... Wayne Watne is a genuinely nice guy whose only motivation was to be a positive influence in the life of Josh Baum but ... in the process of elimination ... in the disappearance of this little girl no person should be given a pass.

DD has created a thread on Wayne Watne ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


the address of 400 3rd street mccleary wa,
address of Wayne Watne
not that far from where Lindsey would have cut over from maple to 3rd then back to mommsen

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 11:02:08 AM
Is Josh Baum still living with his Mom in McCleary?

Janet

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MELISSA MCCANN - JOSH BAUM


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 01:05:57 PM
In the following video ... the status of the current search is being report and ...Melissa Baum states that Lindsey's room has been taped off.  Is there a connection?

Janet

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SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Search warrants issued in Lindsey Baum case


In what could be a big break in the case of a missing 11-year-old girl, authorities executed search warrants Friday at two locations in McCleary to seek evidence in the mysterious disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

http://www.komonews.com/news/61475637.html?video=YHI&t=a



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 01:19:44 PM
I could not access the text version of the following article but ... according to the print version ... the crime tape across Lindsey's door has been there from the getgo.  In other words ... not necessarily connected to the latest search.

Janet

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I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 04:10:05 PM
Melissa

Considering you are a good friend of Lindsey's mother ... are you aware whether or not Josh Baum returned home following the argument ... returned home as instructed by the family friend.  In other words ... was Josh home with Mom at the time that Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

If it is known that Josh was home ... speculation regarding this young man ...  who you did not deny had agGression issues ... can cease.

Thank You.

Janet



 
whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.




Thanks Melissa.

Considering that you are a close friend of Lindsey's mother ... I wanted confirmation from you.  Kara Kampen would not or could not confirm.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 04:11:55 PM
On the other hand ... maybe my speculation will not cease ...

Janet

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the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:19:01 PM
On the other hand ... maybe my speculation will not cease ...

Janet

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the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.
I'm with you Janet, actually my speculation of certain things has intensified  ::MonkeyEek::  I am very skeptical right now more so than ever.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 04:20:41 PM
I pick #3.  I do believe that the truth will emerge as the cord weakens when the strands are no longer entwined.

Janet

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... Misdirection, not following up on possible leads, even "mistruths"  surrounding those who are close to Lindsey and/or her family is perplexing and disturbing.  Is this massive egos, sick fascination, or something possible more sinister?!  JMO

Prayers for Lindsey and those that are truly trying to bring her home.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 12:28:05 AM
It appears that Scott Williams wanted to take Josh Baum along with him to the PD.

Janet

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doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #1560 on: September 26, 2009, 11:42:03 PM »


still looking as I have literally over 1000 emails... but here is part of the discussion with kara about this account mess between mb and mm

from kara

Hey - I just wanted to tell you that I did not spill the beans to Melissa Baum - I actually spoke to MB before I got your email telling me who it was cause she showed up over here and as soon as I mentioned the part of Scott talking to PD and wanting to take Josh she knew instantly who it was that was talking to you. Apparently she had an argument with MM the night before last regarding her lack of involvement or care in Lindsey's disappearance and told MM that she needed to close down the account that MM set up that no one else has access to and is already being monitored by the IRS and all online transactions froze because she was transferring funds from that account into her personal account and then they apparently had words over me - which just so you know MM does not know me - she's met me maybe 6 times and never for longer than a few minutes.

She's a royal selfish bitch and if she keeps it up her boyfriend is going to find out that she's got herpes - lol and see how that sits with him. In all honesty she is jealous because for some time she is the closest person (distance wise) for MB to call and now with me around and willing to actually take part in anything Lindsey related she really rarely even speaks to MM and MM has not even bothered to come down here since that first 1.5 weeks after LB went missing except for once to try and talk MB out of her phone plan as mentioned in the previous email.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.msg959678;topicseen




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 12:32:33 AM
On the other hand ... maybe my speculation will not cease ...

Janet

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the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.
I'm with you Janet, actually my speculation of certain things has intensified  ::MonkeyEek::  I am very skeptical right now more so than ever.

I wonder when and how this is all going to play out and ... who are the major players involved.

Janet

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 12:38:02 AM

Is Josh Baum still living with his Mom in McCleary?  If Kona's words regarding Josh's aggression were untrue ... why did Melissa McCann not refute those words?

Janet

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MELISSA MCCANN - JOSH BAUM


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 02:11:03 AM
Monkeys

My unpopular position with many on this forum regarding Josh did sway for a period of time today but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum's disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally ... in the act of wrongdoing ... caused her death?  Did Lindsey stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike and met with foul play?  Did Lindsey make it home and it was there that something went terribly wrong?

2.  In a sincere attempt to protect a loved one  ... is it possible assistance to cover up was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could there be underlying legal issues  encompassing the questioning of an underage person of interest without any concrete evidence that implies a felony? 

Janet

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Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 05:57:46 PM
NO SEARCH WARRANT?
When the argument that Lindsey had with her brother minutes prior to her disappearance is considered ... when the underlying family dynamics which were known to CPS and LE are considered and ... when it is consider how close Lindsey was to home when observed by witness sighting … I cannot comprehend ... in the process of elimination ... why there was not a search warrant immediately issued by LE and approved by a judge.

If police activity that reflected the recent search had taken place at any period within the past three months at the Baum residence/property ... the media would have covered it accordingly.

In the majority of missing person cases … the family is the immediate focus and … from there the investigation branches out.

Could it be that the focus of the investigation has never been on Melissa B. and Josh B. as persons of interest because there were red flags from the past … red flags that LE and CPS did not want exposed ... red flags that were disregarded ... red flags that should have been addressed ... red flags that could have been the catalyst of protection for a little girl named Lindsey.

Janet



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 06:37:03 PM
Considering the truth regarding the disappearance of Lindsey Baum is not known ... I feel that each Monkey on the forum should "feel" the freedom to speculate in his/her own way. 

I believe with all my heart that LE has a foundation from which suspicion of this young man has been drawn from ... suspicion that has deemed him a person of interest.  Something akin to many persons of interest in criminal cases ... the investigative process will either clear this young man or ... it will determine if he is a suspect.

However ... when I consider the witness sighting of Lindsey at Maple and Fifth ... minutes from home ... minutes from Mom and brother ... I believe the focus of the investigation should have be closer to home prior to moving outward.  Considering Melissa B and Josh B. were waiting at the end of Lindsey journey ... considering the known family dynamics ...  were these two ever deemed at some point in time persons of interest?

Janet
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MARILYN LA CHESTER
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
mlachester:

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 06:43:30 PM
RED FLAGS?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


... Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up. Really sad that kids do that sort of thing but it happened back when I was little to so I guess its not a new thing but I believe it is far more common now days - still not at all acceptable or called for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 02, 2009, 06:45:44 PM

Then there are the words of mamahead, La Chester's friend,  Lindsey and Melissa M ... words that imply that there were troubling underlying dynamics within the Baum household.

Janet

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mamahead:
 
Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html


Marilyn La Chester's Friend

... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


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Melissa McCann



I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.   A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect.. I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on October 03, 2009, 12:43:01 PM
On August 2, 2009 ... police tape was still preventing Melissa Baum from entering Lindsey's room.  Has that tape been removed.

++++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 12, 2010, 04:12:11 AM

Janet, please allow me a few minutes of your time.  I am very familiar with children who have Asperger Syndrome.  It on the autistic spectrum.  As we know the statistics tell us that one in every 91 children have a form of autism.

I have read the beginning of this thread (I have read several pages and I also read some at the end, I skipped the middle as each page appeared to me to say the same thing).  From the first page of this thread, I knew him to be a child with Asperger Syndrome just by the quotes of others.

This child should have had a positive behavior program (by law) in school, he should never have been in reach of the fire alarm in the first place.  He should also have had some type of behavioral services at home where he was not left alone until the behaviors decreased or had been eliminated.  I fear the system has failed this child.

The fact that he was off topic at his sister's vigil or anywhere else does not surprise me in the least.  Children with Asperger Syndrome are rarely on topic.  It does not mean they do not care, it is just that their brain is not wired like yours and mine.  They do not follow social norms, even though they do have feelings.  I encourage you to read all you can about this syndrome, autism in general, and actually volunteer some time with your local school district to work with children with autism.  You will then be able to see what I mean.

I would encourage you to come to my home and walk this walk with me and you will see a Mom who is highly trained by experts in the field on how to work with the challenging behaviors of autism, how to teach children with problems to read, how to control behavior until they can control it themselves all in a positive and loving environment. 

Josh's program should have included a psychiatrist to help treat the aggression with medicine, if and when appropriate, and a behavior specialist to help form socially appropriate forms of behavior, with the psychiatrist lowering the doses of medication as his brain (being plastic as all of ours are) would have made the necessary changes and connections to help with these issues.

The fact that this was not done along with the added impact of children teasing him breaks my heart.  He was no more able to change his behavior alone than a diabetic is able to control their blood sugar by taking their medication away from them and telling them they are on their own.

When will behaviorist and psychiatric funding be required so that we may help children and curb their behaviors before they become adults?  Prevention is key and cost effective.

Thank you for your time.

Bearlyhere



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 12, 2010, 04:19:45 AM


http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:what-is-aspergers&catid=36:what-is&Itemid=176 (http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=62:what-is-aspergers&catid=36:what-is&Itemid=176)

What is Aspergers?

Dr Hans Asperger, an Austrian paediatrician, originally described Asperger’s Syndrome in 1944. The syndrome has more recently been classified as an autistic spectrum disorder.

Children and adults with Asperger’s Syndrome have an intellectual capacity within the normal range, but have a distinct profile of abilities that has been apparent since early childhood. The profile of abilities includes the following characteristics:

A qualitative impairment in social interaction:
* Failure to develop friendships that are appropriate to the child’s developmental level.
* Impaired use of non-verbal behaviour such as eye gaze, facial expression and body language to regulate a social interaction.
* Lack of social and emotional reciprocity and empathy.
* Impaired ability to identify social cues and conventions.


A qualitative impairment in subtle communication skills:
* Fluent speech but difficulties with conversation skills and a tendency to be pedantic, have an unusual prosody and to make a literal interpretation.

Restrictive Interests:
* The development of special  interests that is unusual in their intensity and focus.
* Preference for routine and consistency.

The disorder can also include motor clumsiness and problems with handwriting and being hypersensitive to specific auditory and tactile experiences. There can also be problems with organisational and time management skills and explaining thoughts and ideas using speech. The exact prevalence rates have yet to be determined, but research suggests that it may be as common as one in 250. The aetiology is probably due to factors that affect brain development and not due to emotional deprivation or other psychogenic factors.

The characteristics of Asperger’s Syndrome described above are based on the diagnostic criteria and current research and have also been modified as a result of my extensive clinical experience. I would like to provide a personalised description of Asperger’s Syndrome that also incorporates the person’s qualities as well as their difficulties.

 
Tony's Perspective

From my clinical experience I consider that children and adults with Aspergers Syndrome have a different, not defective, way of thinking.


The person usually has a strong desire to seek knowledge, truth and perfection with a different set of priorities than would be expected with other people. There is also a different perception of situations and sensory experiences. The overriding priority may be to solve a problem rather than satisfy the social or emotional needs of others.

The person values being creative rather than co-operative.


The person with Aspergers syndrome may perceive errors that are not apparent to others, giving considerable attention to detail, rather than noticing the “big picture”.

The person is usually renowned for being direct, speaking their mind and being honest and determined and having a strong sense of social justice.

The person may actively seek and enjoy solitude, be a loyal friend and have a distinct sense of humour.

However, the person with Aspergers Syndrome can have difficulty with the management and expression of emotions.

Children and adults with Aspergers syndrome may have levels of anxiety, sadness or anger that indicate a secondary mood disorder. There may also be problems expressing the degree of love and affection expected by others. Fortunately, we now have successful psychological treatment programs to help manage and express emotions.

 


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 12, 2010, 04:51:49 AM


I have spent time with Tony Attwood, an expert on asperger syndrome and also Bill Stillman, an expert on Asperger's along with actually having it himself, which would provide you with information from someone who lives with it every day.

Also subscribe to The Autism Perspective magazine at no cost:
http://www.theautismperspective.org/


Bearlyhere--Bill Stillman, in his presentations, not only gives out great and practical information, he actually makes you feel like you have AS and has you perform different activities during this stimulation.  It is very hard to function during these simulations and I cannot imagine the work the person with AS has to go through every day just to function in our society.

Bill Stillman

http://www.williamstillman.com/ 

http://www.williamstillman.com/archive.html  His articles

http://www.williamstillman.com/links.html  Links to information.


Dr. Temple Grandin also has Aspergers:

I have seen her in person and have listened to many hours of lecture from her, she is also frequently on TV and the radio.

http://www.templegrandin.com/


Albert Einstein and Isaac Newton:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2988647.stm


I can provide you with thousands of articles on Asperger's and have known several children with AS and witnessed their behavior and I am here to tell you I do not see anything different in his conversation skills than those with AS, especially speaking about something else when something important is going on.  This is a Hallmark behavior.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2010, 12:30:25 PM
Bearlyhere ... thank you hon.  I read and comprehended every word of your posts.

There is a 26 year old young man living with Aspergers who has been attending our church for the past ten years with his wonderful family.  Although Jonah is definitely an individual ... he is embraced and accepted by members for who he is.  His amazing parents have shared both the challenges and blessing their son has brought into their lives.  His father has kept a journal over the years of his talks with God regarding the ups and downs with Jonah as well as his concerns.  Currently  ... his two older sisters are in the process of writing a book based on their father's journal as well as their own perspectives of life with their brother whom they love dearly.

Bearlyhere ... Jonah reacts to frustrating situations impulsively and ... at time has become physical.  It is something akin to Kara's words when she posted regarding Josh's reaction to the teasing he experienced by his own peers.
 
When my youngest son was taking his Bachelor of Education ... one of the courses was a study regarding the autism spectrum.  Considering I have a grandson who lives with ADD ... I took an immediate interest and researched the topic along with my son.   

Bearlyhere ... when I contend that ... in the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should not be disregarded as a person of interest in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of his sister ... it has everything to do with justice for Lindsey.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1809 on: July 09, 2009, 04:33:45 AM »


... Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up. Really sad that kids do that sort of thing but it happened back when I was little to so I guess its not a new thing but I believe it is far more common now days - still not at all acceptable or called for.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt



Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M






Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 12, 2010, 12:52:52 PM

Janet, please allow me a few minutes of your time.  I am very familiar with children who have Asperger Syndrome.  It on the autistic spectrum.  As we know the statistics tell us that one in every 91 children have a form of autism.

<snipped>


Bearlyhere

In your research ... have you come to any conclusive as to the cause?

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2010, 01:18:50 PM

Janet, please allow me a few minutes of your time.  I am very familiar with children who have Asperger Syndrome.  It on the autistic spectrum.  As we know the statistics tell us that one in every 91 children have a form of autism.

<snipped>


Bearlyhere

In your research ... have you come to any conclusions as to the cause?

Janet

Bearlyhere

What is your take in regards to vaccine and autism link?

Thanks

Janet

++++++++

3 Rulings Find No Link to Vaccines and Autism
Published: March 12, 2010


In a further blow to the antivaccine movement, three judges ruled Friday in three separate cases that thimerosal, a preservative containing mercury, does not cause autism.

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/science/13vaccine.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 13, 2010, 03:28:17 PM
Bearlyhere ... thank you hon.  I read and comprehended every word of your posts.

There is a 26 year old young man living with Aspergers who has been attending our church for the past ten years with his wonderful family.  Although Jonah is definitely an individual ... he is embraced and accepted by members for who he is.  His amazing parents have shared both the challenges and blessing their son has brought into their lives.  His father has kept a journal over the years of his talks with God regarding the ups and downs with Jonah as well as his concerns.  Currently  ... his two older sisters are in the process of writing a book based on their father's journal as well as their own perspectives of life with their brother whom they love dearly.

Bearlyhere ... Jonah often reacts to frustrating situations both impulsively and agressively.  It is something akin to Kara's words when she posted regarding Josh's reaction to the teasing he experienced by his own peers.
 
When my youngest son was taking his Bachelor of Education ... one of the courses was a study regarding the autism spectrum.  Considering I have a grandson who lives with ADD ... I took an immediate interest and researched the topic along with my son.   

Bearlyhere ... when I contend that ... in the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should not be disregarded as a person of interest in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of his sister ... it has everything to do with a missing little girl named Lindsey.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Bearlyhere

I should mention that Jonah is being encouraged by his sisters to contribute an appendix to the book they are compiling.  Jonah is a gifted writer.  Emotions that he often has difficulty expressing appropriately are beautifully articulated in his writings.

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 14, 2010, 02:18:48 PM

Janet, please allow me a few minutes of your time.  I am very familiar with children who have Asperger Syndrome.  It on the autistic spectrum.  As we know the statistics tell us that one in every 91 children have a form of autism.

<snipped>


Bearlyhere

In your research ... have you come to any conclusive as to the cause?

Janet

Each person with autism is an individual and has their own set of characteristics.  If you know one person with autism, you know one person with autism.

There are so many factors I believe are involved, one being heredity (but what may have changed the genes in the first place?). Another possible cause being the vaccination of infants who have been part of a complicated pregnancy or birth, or may be challenged after birth.  These babies may be compromised neurologically, and it may be prudent to wait until their system has calmed down, to give them their shots.  On the paper you have to sign before anyone will give your child the shots, which has lots to read and basically excuses anyone who may have harmed your child with this vaccine from any repercussions, it will tell you about neurological consequences of giving the vaccine.

I realize that children on the spectrum can be impulsive and act out.  I am close to parents who are deeply involved with their children's life long goals and plans, and at this point, I do not know any one of the children who do not have now or who have already had in the past, a positive behavioral plan if they needed it.  My son, in fact, has no aggressive behaviors.  I think giving the person a way to communicate so that their frustrations do not accumulate is key, as well as recognizing the person's sensory differences.  You do not want to expose a sensory sensitive child to a place that would be too much for them to handle.  You can de-sensitize them one step at a time, I am not saying to avoid it forever, just build it up until it is tolerated.  

There are many reasons to be on the autism spectrum.  One thing, the medical definition of autism written in the DSM-IV manual is different from the definition of autism in the IDEA criteria, the one from the educational regs.  You can have a severe language disorder that impairs socialization and be defined as having autism by the government standards, there does not have to be any behaviors present.  The behaviors these people have are not necessarily aggressive.  Most are doing repetitive things like hand flapping, spinning in circles, repetitive behavior that they cannot stop, e.g. turning lights on and off, opening and closing doors, maybe pushing buttons or pulling levers (like pulling the fire alarm).  Any behavior can be changed with a good functional behavioral analysis (why the behavior occurred, what came before it, what the behavior was, and what was the result of the child doing it).  Then taking this information and finding out why the behavior occurred--over stimulation, lack of communications skills, attention, senses being overloaded (there are not only 5 senses by the way).

I have tried to answer this several times, but every time I pushed 'post' the sight went down or my computer started acting crazy.  I guess you have heard we are swamped (rainy weather and flooding) here.

I know I have only answered some part of what you may have been asking, but the answer is very complicated and would probably take a lot of thought and would be like a thesis, so I stopped myself.  This is all my opinion after 16 years of research and intense study with the experts I have contacted, been lectured by, or hired myself for the support group I run.  I have talked with these experts, and adults with autism in person, not on line.  I have hired people from Canada, the University of S. Mississippi, University of Southern California, and although from the NE, I have masters credits from there and join in conferences as a member of a group which includes college professors from all over North America.  I also belong to the State's Task force on Behavior and am a staunch advocate for inclusion.  Children learn from what they see and not what you tell them.  If you don't want your children to take drugs, you don't let them hang around druggies all day, and if you don't want your child to have horrible behaviors, you don't want them to hang around with kids with behavioral problems all day.  It is common sense, really.

Hope this one goes through.

(Edited to fix typos and make sentences clearer, I did not change anything pertinent).




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 14, 2010, 02:19:32 PM


It didn't but I tried it again and it worked!

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 14, 2010, 03:50:17 PM
Bearlybear

You son has truly been blessed!  You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 15, 2010, 01:08:10 AM

Janet, please allow me a few minutes of your time.  I am very familiar with children who have Asperger Syndrome.  It on the autistic spectrum.  As we know the statistics tell us that one in every 91 children have a form of autism.

<snipped>


Bearlyhere

In your research ... have you come to any conclusions as to the cause?

Janet

Bearlyhere

What is your take in regards to vaccine and autism link?

Thanks

Janet

++++++++

3 Rulings Find No Link to Vaccines and Autism
Published: March 12, 2010


In a further blow to the antivaccine movement, three judges ruled Friday in three separate cases that thimerosal, a preservative containing mercury, does not cause autism.

More:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/science/13vaccine.html


I think if a newborn is neurologically compromised--traumatic birth, has to spend time in the NICU, I would wait until his/her nervous system was regulated before giving him/her the shots.  That is just my feeling after seeing children with brain injuries from the vaccine (whose parents won lawsuits against the companies because their once healthy child is now in a wheelchair, cannot move or talk or even hold the drool in his mouth).  It is very sad.  I realize vaccines are important, but knowing what I know now and seeing what I have seen, I would have waited until his nervous system calmed down.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 15, 2010, 01:15:04 AM
Bearlyhere ... thank you hon.  I read and comprehended every word of your posts.

There is a 26 year old young man living with Aspergers who has been attending our church for the past ten years with his wonderful family.  Although Jonah is definitely an individual ... he is embraced and accepted by members for who he is.  His amazing parents have shared both the challenges and blessing their son has brought into their lives.  His father has kept a journal over the years of his talks with God regarding the ups and downs with Jonah as well as his concerns.  Currently  ... his two older sisters are in the process of writing a book based on their father's journal as well as their own perspectives of life with their brother whom they love dearly.

Bearlyhere ... Jonah often reacts to frustrating situations both impulsively and agressively.  It is something akin to Kara's words when she posted regarding Josh's reaction to the teasing he experienced by his own peers.
 
When my youngest son was taking his Bachelor of Education ... one of the courses was a study regarding the autism spectrum.  Considering I have a grandson who lives with ADD ... I took an immediate interest and researched the topic along with my son.   

Bearlyhere ... when I contend that ... in the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should not be disregarded as a person of interest in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of his sister ... it has everything to do with a missing little girl named Lindsey.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Bearlyhere

I should mention that Jonah is being encouraged by his sisters to contribute an appendix to the book they are compiling.  Jonah is a gifted writer.  Emotions that he often has difficulty expressing appropriately are beautifully articulated in his writings.

Janet

I have seen that before and their are certain methodologies that bring that out.  I have read books written by people on the spectrum and they, imo, are the true experts.  I have listened intently when they speak about what things feel like to them, and what may have been said and done around them when no one thought they were comprehending what was said.  They were comprehending, just could not form the responses.  I have been very careful in what I say and how I say it based on these amazing people.  I have listened to their input on different methodologies and have heard some beg not to do certain things to the child that the "experts" think are the right thing to do.





Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 15, 2010, 01:39:10 AM
Bearlybear

You son has truly been blessed!  You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

No, my son is amazing, he is the one who has to work so hard to do what comes easily and naturally to others.

My point about Lindsey's brother is the language described is pretty typical, they are off topic a lot even when it is important, there is no filter between what is thought and what is said.

As far as if he was home and at what time he was home, his Mom passed a polygraph test, wouldn't those questions have been asked of her?

I am in no way comparing a dog to a child but am using this example only because a child with autism also has trouble communicating.  Suppose kids constantly teased your dog and pulled his ears.  If that dog lashed out at the children after putting up with continual teasing, would you blame the dog?

It seems to me that Lindsey was in charge of watching her brother and someone else dropped the ball as far as making sure he was behaviorally appropriate to be out without an adult monitoring the situation.  The kids who teased him were bullies.  Being a bully is unacceptable.  Where were the parents and the school employees to monitor this situation?  Where was his mom?

If Josh lashed out at Lindsey on her way home, I really do not think he would have the wherewithal to dispose of her body, moo.



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Bearlyhere on March 15, 2010, 02:10:07 AM
Bearlybear

You son has truly been blessed!  You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

I am having an identity crisis.  People are trying to change my name the last couple of days.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on March 15, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
Bearlybear

You son has truly been blessed!  You are amazing.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

I am having an identity crisis.  People are trying to change my name the last couple of days.

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


 ::MonkeyShocked::

I am having quite a few of those "senior" moments lately and ... I cannot claim the title officially for another two years.  I called my youngest son by his older brother's name twice when he and wife dropped in last night.  I think this guy may be considering arranging a meeting with his father and siblings.

Hey ... I do not care where they put me as long as my computer comes along.

Bearlyhere ... I hope you and your son have a great day!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet








Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2010, 01:02:48 AM
New Surveillance Video Released In Baum Case
Posted: 5:35 pm PDT May 3, 2010
Updated: 6:44 pm PDT May 3, 2010


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Detectives in Grays Harbor County have released new surveillance tape Monday and hope it will provide crucial clues in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Baum, now 11, has not been seen since June 26 when she was walking home from a friend’s house in McCleary.

The surveillance videos are from a Shell gas station in McCleary on the night of Baum’s disappearance. Detectives released the videos in hopes of identifying a man and also a driver and passenger of a truck.

Detectives would like to talk to a man in a plaid shirt and camouflage hat who went into the convenience store.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said the man is not a suspect, but detectives hope he is a witness and may have seen something that night.

UNCUT: Surveillance Video Of Man In Store

Detectives also want to talk to the driver and passengers in a white Honda Ridgeline pickup truck also seen in the surveillance video.

The truck went through the Shell station twice that night, Scott said. Detectives said they don’t believe it’s related to Baum’s disappearance, but would like to interview the people in the truck.

UNCUT: Surveillance Video Of Truck

“These folks may have noticed something that at the time meant absolutely nothing to them, but may be very important to us,” Scott said.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Last week Baum’s photo was posted on two trucks donated by Gordon Trucking. One truck is parked in McCleary and the other in a parking lot near Elma.

Anyone with information on Baum’s disappearance should contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/23439309/detail.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County hope to identify this man and talk to him about the night Lindsey Baum disappeare...

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439010/index.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County want to identify the driver and passenger of this truck seen the night of Lindsey..

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439110/index.html









Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 04, 2010, 07:08:04 PM
THE DEAFENING SILENCE

Other than the argument that had esculated to a point that intervention was required ... Josh Baum is a non-issue in LE press releases and Melissa Baum's interviews on the talk show circuit.  It has never been revealed by either LE or Melissa Baum whether Josh had heeded the instructions of the family friend to go home that evening when Lindsey went missing.  If it is realized that Josh was sitting at home with Mom when Lindsey embarked on her 10 minute journey from the Kampen/Williams residence ... all speculation could cease.

Could it be that LE's hands are tied in regards to interrogating Josh as he words could be used against him?  Josh is a minor and has special needs?  Could CPS also be involved in assuring that his right not to incriminating himself is protected?


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 09:06:22 PM
When it is considered that Marilyn claimed that CPS/LE would not take her reports seriously in regards to the dynamics within the Baum household involving Lindsey ... could it be that this is the reason that the investigation was focused on runaway and abduction theories.

Somehow I believe there is truth to Marilyn's accusations.  This woman did not hide her identity when commenting.  Why would she lie when she knows those lies can be refuted by LE ... by CPS?

Janet

++++++

mlachester

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/


mlachester:

Sunday, July 05, 2009

As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows. They have the reports I help Lindsey file. But people lets face it she never went anywhere without he Cell. Did she have it at her friends house she left the night she dissapered? Because its at her home now "well maybe in evidence". Let all get back to the real picture here. Let keep praying nothing did happen to her at home and pray she will make back safe and alive. Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS. They replied with I am sure we have all those records.  So they know what is going on.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 11:51:45 PM
THE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO

RICK SCOTT: THEN

Where is Lindsey Baum? Police, FBI Search for 10-Year-Old
June 30, 2009


Scott said that there were a few businesses located just off the street Lindsey would have used to get home, and while the little girl did not appear in any of the videos, police have received clues about who was in the area at the time she disappeared.

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


RICK SCOTT: NOW

Witnesses sought in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES The Daily World
Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:18 PM PDT


This is the first surveillance video to be released during the 10-month investigation. Scott said detectives from several departments have pored through security footage from the Shell station and a nearby 76 gas station that has now closed.

Investigators faced some delays and challenges in obtaining the videos due to technical issues, Scott said, but they are reviewing as much footage as possible.

http://**/articles/2010/05/04/local_news/doc4be05eef2e0b5726197362.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 11:54:43 PM
SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS

Four days into the search for Lindsey Baum ... surveillance videos were being looked at.

+++++++

Girl's mother: 'In my heart, I know she's alive'
Jun 30, 2009


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- As the search for a missing 10-year-old girl stretched into its fourth day Tuesday, more reinforcements were being brought in to assist.
 
The State Patrol will be flying a search pattern over the general McCleary area, scanning the ground for Lindsey Baum with a heat-sensing camera. The video will be fed live back to the ground where officials can see the results in real-time.

Cadets from the Civil Air Patrol are also joining the growing search party for the girl, who disappeared while walking home on Friday. And police scoured surveillance videos from the town's businesses looking for any clues.

http://www.kval.com/news/local/49511367.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 11:57:41 PM
SURVEILLANCE VIDEOS

Considering the significance of the Shell gas station in regards to the bike ... in regards to the proximity to the witness sightings ... why were the security recording not a priority in the Lindsey Baum investigation.

=+++++


Witnesses sought in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES The Daily World
Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:18 PM PDT


This is the first surveillance video to be released during the 10-month investigation. Scott said detectives from several departments have pored through security footage from the Shell station and a nearby 76 gas station that has now closed.

Investigators faced some delays and challenges in obtaining the videos due to technical issues, Scott said, but they are reviewing as much footage as possible.

http://**/articles/2010/05/04/local_news/doc4be05eef2e0b5726197362.txt


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 05, 2010, 11:59:55 PM
WITNESS SIGHTING

Witnesses sought in Baum case
BY JACOB JONES The Daily World
Tuesday, May 4, 2010 1:18 PM PDT


Lindsey went missing on June 26, just days before her 11th birthday, as she walked a short distance home from her friend’s house. She was last seen shortly after 9 p.m. along Maple Street just a few blocks from the Shell Station.

http://**/articles/2010/05/04/local_news/doc4be05eef2e0b5726197362.txt]


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:03:32 AM
THE SHELL STATION

Did Lindsey Baum stop at the Shell Station to retrieve her bike?

Is this Shell Station where Lindsey met with foul play?

Why were the recently revealed video clips from the security camera not released in the initial stages of the investigation?

+++++++++++++++

A Chronology

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


… The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870434#msg870434


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.

They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1936 on: July 10, 2009, 07:07:48 PM »


The conversation was apparently quite short and consisted of little more then a "Josh you need to go home" Josh trying to explain what was going on and the girls asking the lady to tell Josh to go home again.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg863022


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

 
When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


ABC News – June 30, 2009

(Undersheriff) Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily Word – July 2, 2009

(Undersheriff) Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864865;topicseen#msg864865



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:06:35 AM
Detectives in Grays Harbor County hope to identify this man and talk to him about the night Lindsey Baum disappeare...

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439010/index.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County want to identify the driver and passenger of this truck seen the night of Lindsey..

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439110/index.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:12:33 AM
THE DEAFENING SILENCE ENCOMPASSING JOSH BAUM

It is the deafening silence ... the silence embraced by LE/Melissa Baum regarding Josh's actions on the evening when his sister went missing that is fueling speculation.

To stop speculation encompassing Josh Baum ... the LE/FBI has only to affirm through a spokesperson that this underage young man has been questioned without restrictions and he has been ruled out as a person of interest.

To stop speculation encompassing Josh ... Melissa Baum has only to affirm when interviewed by the media or appears as a guest in the talk show circuit that her son heeded the instructions of the family friend who intervened in the argument and he went straight home.  In other words ... Josh was sitting with her in the timeframe when Lindsey embarked on what should have been a ten minute journey home.

I have listened carefully to LE spokespersons ... I have listened carefully to Melissa Baum and ... other than concede there had been an arugument between Josh and Lindsey over the bike ... a family friend intervenes ... NOTHING!  Josh is a non-issue.

I HOPE the FBI/LE as well as Melissa Baum are reading this forum.  Maybe the silence will be broken and speculation can cease.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:20:05 AM
AN IMPULSIVE ACTION

When the truth is revealed ... many Monkeys on this forum who have directed speculation on various residences of the McCleary area who had nothing to do with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum will be eating crow pie ... including me.

As I said before ... I believe that LE should have focused attention on ALL those who are known to have contact with Lindsey in a specific time frame.  In the name of justice for Lindsey Baum ... nobody should be given a pass ... including Josh.

It only takes an impulsive action that cannot be taken back to cause unintended harm.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:24:34 AM
THE CATALYST

On her journey home from the Kampen/Williams residence ... Lindsey was observed by witnesses at 5th and Maple.  The gas station where the bike had been left a short time previous was located between 5th and her home.  It makes sense that Lindsey would have stopped at the station to check if Josh had retrieved the bike after being instructed near the Kampen/Williams residence by a family friend to return home following the now enfamous  argument.

Could it be that it was at the gas station that Lindsey met up with foul play?

LE must possess the entire footage of the security video ... the security video that the media has recently been afforded clips.  What does this entire security video reveal?  Why is this it only becoming a focus of attention now?

Could the recent activity encompassing the gas station video be the catalyst which implies that that justice will prevail for Lindsey Baum.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:29:28 AM
A MINOR?

Considering that Josh Baum is a minor could it be that:

1.  LE cannot legally interrogate Josh without parental permission?
2.  Josh has legal representation provided by CPS?
3.  Josh Baum has never been interrogated?
4.  LE's dossier related to Josh Baum consist only of witness statements?
5.  LE's cannot reveal if Josh Baum went straight home as instructed?


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:35:07 AM
SPECULATION IS WHERE IT IS AT

Scott Williams volunteered to take a lie detector test and passed.  LE have confirmed he is not a person of interest.  As far as I know ... LE have not revealed that Josh Baum is not consider a person of interest.

Thinks about it.  The argument Josh had with his sister ... an argument that esculated to a point that a family friend intervened and instructed him to go home.  This incident occured minutes prior to Lindsey's journey back home from the Kampen/Williams's resience.

Also Lindsey was spotted a short distance from her home at 5th and Maple by witnesses.  This conforms with the timeframe in regards to when Kara Kampen and Scott Williams claim Lindsey left their residence.

I believe that Josh Baum along with all others who came into contact with Lindsey following the 8:20 PM video store security video should have been the initial focus of the investigation until ruled out.

When it has been confirmed that LE does not consider Josh Baum a person of interest ... my speculation regarding Josh Baum will cease.

Josh Baum can be the focus of my speculation and ... that is OK.  There have been other McCleary area residents who have been the focus of speculation on this forum by Monkeys since the disappearance of Lindsey.  Until the truth is revealed ... speculation is where it is at.


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:37:50 AM
DARKNESS HAD SET IN?

If these images were captured in the timeframe that it would have taken Lindsey to walk home from the Kampens ... it would appear that darkness had set in.

+++++++++
 
Detectives in Grays Harbor County hope to identify this man and talk to him about the night Lindsey Baum disappeare.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439010/index.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County want to identify the driver and passenger of this truck seen the night of Lindsey.

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439110/index.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:39:36 AM
New Surveillance Video Released In Baum Case
Posted: 5:35 pm PDT May 3, 2010
Updated: 6:44 pm PDT May 3, 2010


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Detectives in Grays Harbor County have released new surveillance tape Monday and hope it will provide crucial clues in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Baum, now 11, has not been seen since June 26 when she was walking home from a friend’s house in McCleary.

The surveillance videos are from a Shell gas station in McCleary on the night of Baum’s disappearance. Detectives released the videos in hopes of identifying a man and also a driver and passenger of a truck.

Detectives would like to talk to a man in a plaid shirt and camouflage hat who went into the convenience store.

Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said the man is not a suspect, but detectives hope he is a witness and may have seen something that night.

UNCUT: Surveillance Video Of Man In Store

Detectives also want to talk to the driver and passengers in a white Honda Ridgeline pickup truck also seen in the surveillance video.

The truck went through the Shell station twice that night, Scott said. Detectives said they don’t believe it’s related to Baum’s disappearance, but would like to interview the people in the truck.

UNCUT: Surveillance Video Of Truck

“These folks may have noticed something that at the time meant absolutely nothing to them, but may be very important to us,” Scott said.

Lindsey is 4 feet 9 inches tall, 80 pounds and has brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans.

Last week Baum’s photo was posted on two trucks donated by Gordon Trucking. One truck is parked in McCleary and the other in a parking lot near Elma.

Anyone with information on Baum’s disappearance should contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/23439309/detail.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County hope to identify this man and talk to him about the night Lindsey Baum disappeare...

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439010/index.html


Detectives in Grays Harbor County want to identify the driver and passenger of this truck seen the night of Lindsey..

http://www.kirotv.com/video/23439110/index.html



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:44:20 AM

Janet, I strongly agree with you on this.  If we cannot consider or discuss Josh, the only one fighting with Lindsey that last day, then we have no reason to be here.  The reasons given for not looking at him are not compelling to me.    A moment of uncontrolled rage and a little help with cleanup is all it would have required for Josh to be involved.   Feeling sorry for Josh is not the point here; finding Lindsey is.   

Chi-M



I emailed the following timeline to:

1.  Director of Search Operations (Klaaskids) - Lindsey Baum Case
2.  Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office - Lindsey Baum Case
3.  FBI Seattle Division - Lindsey Baum Case

Janet

++++++++++

When the confirmed sightings of Lindsey Baum is considered ... the little girl went missing between 15th on Maple and ... her home. 


WHERE WAS JOSH BAUM?

In the process of elimination ... Josh Baum should be considered a person of interest in his sister's disappearance unless he was sitting at home with his Mom at 9:15 ... the time Lindsey left the Kampen residence.  Home is where he should have been if he had adhered to the instructions of the "family friend" who intervened in the bike argument between him and his sister less than an hour prior to the time Lindsey should have arrived home.  Inquiring minds want to know if Josh Baum returned home as instructed.


THE SHELL STATION

Following the confirmed sighting on 15th and Maple … did Lindsey Baum stop at the Shell Station on her way home to see if the bike had been taken home by her brother following the argument.  Could there have been a chance meeting with Josh?  Were station employees there?

+++++++++

TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
X:XX PM (?) – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
X:XX PM (?) - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 pm - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE



8:15 PM – VIDEO STORE

The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


X:XX PM (?) – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE

Kara Kampen:  Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with.


X:XX PM (?) - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION

ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.


9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE

KOMO News – June 28, 2009-08-21

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home ...

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE

The Daily World – July 3, 2009-08-21

McCLEARY — Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


9:30 - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.
http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403






Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 12:58:19 AM

THE DEAFENING SILENCE

Other than the argument that had esculated to a point that intervention was required ... Josh Baum is a non-issue in LE press releases and Melissa Baum's interviews on the talk show circuit.  It has never been revealed by either LE or Melissa Baum whether Josh had heeded the instructions of the family friend to go home that evening when Lindsey went missing.  If it is realized that Josh was sitting at home with Mom when Lindsey embarked on her 10 minute journey from the Kampen/Williams residence ... all speculation could cease.

Could it be that LE's hands are tied in regards to interrogating Josh as he words could be used against him?  Josh is a minor and has special needs?  Could CPS also be involved in assuring that his right not to incriminating himself is protected?


BUMPED


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 01:02:23 AM


AN ATTEMPT TO DISTRACT FROM THE TRUTH?

When it is considered that Marilyn claimed that CPS/LE would not take her reports seriously in regards to the dynamics within the Baum household involving Lindsey ... could it be that this is the reason that the investigation was focused on runaway and abduction theories.

Somehow I believe there is truth to Marilyn's accusations.  This woman did not hide her identity when commenting.  Why would she lie when she knows those lies can be refuted by LE ... by CPS?

++++++

mlachester

To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/


mlachester:

I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. … Sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/


mlachester:

Sunday, July 05, 2009

As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows. They have the reports I help Lindsey file. But people lets face it she never went anywhere without he Cell. Did she have it at her friends house she left the night she dissapered? Because its at her home now "well maybe in evidence". Let all get back to the real picture here. Let keep praying nothing did happen to her at home and pray she will make back safe and alive. Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS. They replied with I am sure we have all those records.  So they know what is going on.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PublicHomeServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&


BUMPED


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 01:49:20 PM
Melissa Baum's words imply that arguments between Josh and Lindsey at times could become physically agressive.

When the argument that required intervention is considered ... was Josh Baum's person examined by LE immediately following the disappearance of his sister?

++++++++++
 
KING 5 News – July 2, 2009

If a stranger kidnapped 10-year-old Lindsey Baum, her mother says the girl would have put up a fight

“She has very long fingernails,” said Melissa Baum. “Her brother is proof enough of that.”

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070209WAB-mccleary-KS.67b0a9.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 01:52:44 PM
JUNE 17, 2009

LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS


Lindsey Baum:  Facebook Entry

TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 05:54:35 PM
here is what I am told and what I believe to be true at this point.  However, sometimes people get mixed up, but I think this is the best info we have at this time.

Loren is the father of the girl who stated in the news early on that Lindsey is her best friend.
she stated that she was hanging out with lindsey just before(or words to that effect, they are in the article, I have it somewhere)lindsey went missing. 

Loren left town the next day... I had been told it was the uncle, but this has been cleared up to me and now they say it was Loren the father who left town.  He supposedly stayed gone for awhile, came back end of sept.  (I am told, but can we positively know this?  I am sure my source is reliable, however only Loren and his familiy know when he left and came back, and they might not tell the truth, who knows)

I am told Loren drives a white car, but I do not know what he was driving that night.  I thought I was told Lindsey might have been see in a TRUCK at the shell station.  but these are iffy.  so this might change.

I am told that Buddy the uncle of lindseys friend and brother of Loren, lives in a trailer at lorens in the back yard.  This by the way is lorens mothers house. 

Here is what I have been told.  Told that Loren is on the tape at the shell station.  There is a young girl with him.  They did not know if it was Lindsey or not.  They sent the tape in to see if they could get it clear enough to see who the girl is who was in the vehicle with loren )THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD.  again, I believe my source, however my source might be lied to... although I personally believe this is what is going on.  I knew they were working on the tape.  I suspect now from looking at the tape they released that it is clear enough to see, or they were out of view in the dark and they still can see it well enough to know who was in the vehicle with loren.  It is obvious they are not releasing that part of the tape because I don't believe loren is showing up on there.

Again, even if loren is at the station and even if he did leave the next day, and even if by chance that was lindsey in his vehicle, it really proves nothing... they'll never get a conviction on that.  She could have went to his daughters and he given her a ride... I do know they searched his house again.  I do know they took things.  Those things should have shown up something.  I would suspect if they did show something positive concerning lindsey being abducted or hurt in that vehicle etc, it would have showed up and they would know it by now and he would be arrested by now.  Being that has not happened.  I guess they found nothing in the vehicle.  Or in the house.  I know they looked. 

if they have found nothing, then this is most likely why they need to find those witnesses, to see if they saw lindsey in loren's vehicle and how she was acting?  or did she get out and walk off etc?  did she get out and go behind the station ?  was she struggling to get away?  was she still in the vehicle when it drove off?  can they identify her in that vehicle.  It is my guess this is why they are looking for those witnesses. 

so I have just been sitting and waiting to see what came back on that tape, however, does not look like they are going to release all of it.... figures.. so I really know nothing more than I did.  I don't know if this means the tape is still too blurry to see, or what.  so guess we are back to waiting to see some more.



BUDDY RICHARDS AND LOREN RICHARDS

doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 7 1/27/10 -
« Reply #148 on: March 18, 2010, 10:57:49 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6224.msg1097521#msg1097521


doubledecker
Re: Lindsey Baum # 7 1/27/10 -
« Reply #194 on: April 07, 2010, 08:36:41 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6224.msg1106656#msg1106656



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 05:55:38 PM
REMINDER

Sources: Persons of interest ID'd in girl's disappearance
Mar 17, 2010


Sources tell ABC news that 12 people identified as persons of interest in the case live inside and outside of McCleary, and at least two of those people are considered "high interest" by investigators.

While an arrest may not be imminent, police say the case is active and they are hopeful.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/88224357.html


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 06:01:05 PM
Special FBI Team Joins Hunt for Missing Girl
March 16, 2010


http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/lindsey-baum-missing-girl-fbi/story?id=10107104
http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/lindsey-baum-missing-girl-fbi/story?id=10107104&page=2



Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 06, 2010, 06:05:18 PM
Those who were known to have had a contact or were suppose to have a contact with Lindsey the evening that she went missing should have been LE's primary focus. 

+++++++++

Ockham's Razor

"You must never fail to adopt the simplest idea as your working hypothesis. If necessity demands, you can dump it later when you have more data, but only because it is no longer the simplest idea" or "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity."


Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 08:14:10 PM
Missing girl's mom now homeless
Story Published: May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM PDT
Story Updated: May 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM PDT


TUMWATER, Wash. -- The mother of missing girl Lindsey Baum has new troubles, as not only has she lost her daughter; now she's lost her home.

"I never thought we'd be homeless, and we are," said Melissa Baum. She and her son can't afford another night in the motel they've been staying.

"We have truly lost everything," she said.

Paralyzed by pain, Melissa Baum hasn't worked since her daughter Lindsey disappeared from McCleary while walking home last June.

"You feel like you're being suffocated every waking moment," Melissa Baum said.

She's survived on her son's Social Security, but that wasn't enough to remain in the home they rented before Lindsey vanished.

"What if she gets away and comes home... and we're not there?" Melissa Baum worried. "As hard as it was to walk by bedroom and see police tape and not go in there, she still had a room."

But Baum says her son with special needs could no longer cope in McCleary.

"He has horrible nightmares every night," she said.

Josh expresses guilt over fighting with Lindsey before she disappeared and not walking her home. His behavior problems have escalated and Baum says that prompted a relative who took them in to lock them out.

The Problem Solvers have paid for Baum to stay another two weeks at the motel. The extended stay gives Baum time to send her son back East for the summer to stay with his dad while she looks for work, a place to live, and her missing daughter.

"I would live in a hotel or car the rest of my life if it would bring my daughter home," she said.

Baum is working with the housing authority in Thurston County to find a subsidized apartment but says she's told there's little hope of an opening before July.

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Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 08:17:41 PM
Missing girl's mom now homeless

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Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 08:21:05 PM
Crews Search Sewers, Canal For Missing McCleary Girl
Posted: 5:58 pm PDT May 25, 2010
Updated: 6:45 pm PDT May 25, 2010


MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Crews searched manhole covers and searched a canal in McCleary for missing 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Grays Habor County Undersheriff Rick Scott said it’s a “routine follow up search” for Baum who has been missing since June 26. They were searching the sewers near where Lindsay was last seen.

SLIDESHOW: Crews Search Sewers, Canal In McCleary

The FBI called Lindsey’s mom, Melissa Baum, Tuesday morning and informed her of the search, said Baum's friend Kam Burkey.

Burkey told KIRO 7 that divers had some new equipment to search the sewers that they had not used before. She said this was not the first search below ground.

Crews didn’t find anything, Burkey said.

Anyone with information on Baum’s disappearance should contact the Grays Harbor County Sheriff’s office at 866-915-8299 or send an e-mail to: soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.

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Title: Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
Post by: Tamikosmom on May 26, 2010, 09:02:58 PM
Missing girl's mom now homeless
Story Published: May 12, 2010 at 4:31 PM PDT
Story Updated: May 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM PDT


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But Baum says her son with special needs could no longer cope in McCleary.

"He has horrible nightmares every night," she said.

Josh expresses guilt over fighting with Lindsey before she disappeared and not walking her home. His behavior problems have escalated and Baum says that prompted a relative who took them in to lock them out.

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Comments

madmamma 37p ·  1 week ago

i am a famialy member of the baums and they both need help. she is the reason they were locked out of the house after being asked numerous time to find somewhere else to live after they were taken in out of the kindness of this persons heart. and was threatened daily by josh and his mother would do nothing but lay in bed and yell at him josh and his mother both did nothing but destroy the house broke out a window. the family member they were with had a lock put on her bedroom door to feel safe enough to sleep at night and go to other families homes to avoid them. melissa is using this situation for a pity party when she had a job waiting for and they offered her part time and to work around any hrs she need she didn't have to quite she chose to. this family has bent over backwards to help her and josh but she will not take any help or takes advantage.

madmamma 37p ·  1 week ago

thank you i hope more people start to see so that she has no choice but to seek the help she needs i'm not trying to be mean. i love her and josh and lindsey and we are all hurting. but taking advantage of this situation and her family is just wrong she's hurting a lot of people.

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