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Title: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 - 9/06/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 28, 2009, 09:45:20 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 13, 2009, 11:20:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

Made it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 13, 2009, 11:21:16 AM
BBL Have a great day all !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2009, 11:27:22 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::   Thanks for the help, everyone.  Pages started to load very slow for me and I wasn't sure I'd get it done.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 13, 2009, 11:29:46 AM
Thanks for the new cage, 2NJ!

Off to work and lurk I go!

Have a nice day, all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2009, 11:38:45 AM
Thanks for the new cage, 2NJ!

Off to work and lurk I go!

Have a nice day, all!

See you later, Anna.  Don't work too hard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 13, 2009, 11:58:58 AM

Anna....this is the latest date I can find Swine Flu Information on Aruba.  The World Health Organization report of July 3, 2009 reports 5 cases.  There may be later information that I did not find in a search this morning.

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_07_03/en/index.html

The World Health Organization and the CDC no longer require reporting of all cases.  It would be difficult
to determine the number of cases in Aruba at this time.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4942.220


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 13, 2009, 12:54:15 PM
::MonkeyCool::   Thanks for the help, everyone.  Pages started to load very slow for me and I wasn't sure I'd get it done.   

Sorry I missed it. I waited for days! LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2009, 01:04:46 PM
::MonkeyCool::   Thanks for the help, everyone.  Pages started to load very slow for me and I wasn't sure I'd get it done.   

Sorry I missed it. I waited for days! LOL!

I forgot and went to the grocery store we were on page 99 so long, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2009, 01:40:09 PM
Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:  ::MonkeyCool::

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 13, 2009, 01:48:46 PM
Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:  ::MonkeyCool::

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES



 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCool::

This is the one I've been eagerly awaiting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2009, 02:31:51 PM
Today could be an interresting day in the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case:  ::MonkeyCool::

Future Hearings
08/13/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
MOTION - ATTORNEY FEES



 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCool::

This is the one I've been eagerly awaiting.

There was an objection sent/filed by Deepak & Satish's attorneys in July and an answer filed about a week ago but the hearing was still scheduled for today.  So I take that as good news.  Hopefully by tomorrow we'll find out something.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 06:37:48 PM
Well ... I washed that grey right out of my hair and ... I am all set to once again meet up with Mickey and Minnie.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I will missed the forum.  Papa won't.  He has not voiced that sentiment but ... I am sure he is rejoicing inward.  At long last ... he has me to himself ... no computer.  Not quite ... there are the grandkids.  Oh well ... he cannot have it all.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will be back in about a week. Bye Monkeys.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


BOYCOTT ARUBA!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 07:07:56 PM
Well ... I washed that grey right out of my hair and ... I am all set to once again meet up with Mickey and Minnie.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

I will missed the forum.  Papa won't.  He has not voiced that sentiment but ... I am sure he is rejoicing inward.  At long last ... he has me to himself ... no computer.  Not quite ... there are the grandkids.  Oh well ... he cannot have it all.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I will be back in about a week. Bye Monkeys.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


BOYCOTT ARUBA!

I hope you have a wonderful time Janet, I'll miss you!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 07:19:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60931.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Significant odor nuisance Adventure Golf

13 Aug, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-adventure-golf-_13.gif)

The polluted water caused by the mini golf course, Adventure Golf past time for many smells, to displeasure of local residents.

ORANGE CITY - Polluted water that stays at the mini golf course, Adventure Golf and caused the last two weeks for many smells in the vicinity. Residents complain here en masse and demand a solution. The amusement park closed three months ago because of financial problems its doors.

In addition to the smells, the last time too often compromised because the building and the golf course no longer be protected. Head of Health Inspection Gisbert Boekhoudt says the government can do little inconvenience to the state. "We keep monitoring the law, but the responsibility remains with the owner to the area to keep clean." He hopes that the owner acting quickly since the golf course in the sight of tourists there. "That's negative publicity for the tourist."

According Boekhoudt problem requires due attention, because not only tourism can suffer but also local residents have experienced. But, he says, has its limitations because the company closed because of financial problems. "This means that the owner of the mini golf course that responsibility does not in itself will take."

Boekhoudt explains that the role of the milieupolitie along to the mini golf to go along and photographs and then to make a daily report of situation. Below is an interview with the owner of Adventure Golf. Whether milieupolitie this short-term will do, this book is not afraid to ask. A solution remains still for the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods.

The way forward with the business is still not known. The unexpected closure of the mini golf course in May lost several, mainly foreign workers their jobs and their residence. The intention was that all were sold.

Administrative Assistant Suzanne Flanegin showed that when the government first, then the bank, vendors, telecom Setar, and then the workers would turn to the distribution of the proceeds.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 07:22:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60930.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Justice search

13 Aug, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-razzia-_fb_-13-08-.gif)


ORANGE CITY - A search of the Giel Street North yesterday in a significant amount of stolen articles. Law enforcement conducted the raid in the afternoon and detineerden while two suspects. Agents were assisted by British police (picture), already sniffing probably was looking for drugs. One of those arrested is suspected of complicity to burglary in Kurimiauw earlier that day (see article burglary wave). The other prisoner is suspected of involvement in theft related to the stolen items a few months found in supermarket Cheng Xing in Paradera. In the house were more laptops, computer games, mobile phones, video cameras and other valuable electronics found. Justice has not announced whether there were drugs found.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 07:29:30 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60927.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Burglars leave school without air conditioning

13 Aug, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-inbraak-school-_fb.gif)

ORANGE CITY - Students from kindergarten Sabana Basora start forced the upcoming school year in the heat. A large sign at the school where burglars warned security dogs, has clearly not helped. Thieves last night in three air-conditioned cars stolen from the school. The airco's were in trailers where children from classes again next Monday. This morning the cleaning lady discovered the burglary and warned the police. The thieves entered through the mesh of the fence around the school field to break some windows and then to throw. After the cutting of some wires, the burglars there with the three air conditioning units went off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 07:37:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60925.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Crowded meeting pension Pftsa

13 Aug, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-general-assemblee-.gif)

Directors and Board of Pftsa yesterday afternoon in La Cabana hotel at the general meeting of the pension fund.

ORANGE CITY - Pension Fund Tourism Sector Aruba (Pftsa) yesterday afternoon general meeting held in the hotel La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club. The meeting was well attended, even by non-members.

At the meeting were members of Pftsa present including Director of Pftsa Sanaa Baroud and CEO Ben Marpin. Subjects covered were the approval of the minutes of the meeting last year, the budget of the pension fund and the goals for this year. The plans for the new building Pftsa to the Sasakiweg building were raised during the meeting. Pftsa is an initiative of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association and the union employees Clear. Both organizations aim to start a pension plan to employees of the tourism industry an extra pension provision in addition to the pension. It also says the fund also look for opportunities to workers from other sectors to participate in the fund.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 13, 2009, 07:50:39 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60931.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Significant odor nuisance Adventure Golf

13 Aug, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/13-aruba-adventure-golf-_13.gif)

The polluted water caused by the mini golf course, Adventure Golf past time for many smells, to displeasure of local residents.

ORANGE CITY - Polluted water that stays at the mini golf course, Adventure Golf and caused the last two weeks for many smells in the vicinity. Residents complain here en masse and demand a solution. The amusement park closed three months ago because of financial problems its doors.

In addition to the smells, the last time too often compromised because the building and the golf course no longer be protected. Head of Health Inspection Gisbert Boekhoudt says the government can do little inconvenience to the state. "We keep monitoring the law, but the responsibility remains with the owner to the area to keep clean." He hopes that the owner acting quickly since the golf course in the sight of tourists there. "That's negative publicity for the tourist."

According Boekhoudt problem requires due attention, because not only tourism can suffer but also local residents have experienced. But, he says, has its limitations because the company closed because of financial problems. "This means that the owner of the mini golf course that responsibility does not in itself will take."

Boekhoudt explains that the role of the milieupolitie along to the mini golf to go along and photographs and then to make a daily report of situation. Below is an interview with the owner of Adventure Golf. Whether milieupolitie this short-term will do, this book is not afraid to ask. A solution remains still for the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods.

The way forward with the business is still not known. The unexpected closure of the mini golf course in May lost several, mainly foreign workers their jobs and their residence. The intention was that all were sold.

Administrative Assistant Suzanne Flanegin showed that when the government first, then the bank, vendors, telecom Setar, and then the workers would turn to the distribution of the proceeds.


I remember when this was closed.  They've been on top of it though these past three months, especially the Health Department, I'm sure.     ::MonkeyDevil2::     ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 11:35:24 PM
Somebody help please, what is the woman's name to the right of Paulus?  Is the last name Acker?
 ::MonkeyConfused::  I thought it was, but I can't find it now!


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/pvdskc5.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 11:45:59 PM
Texasmom

This link may help.  Its a photo and a quote from Loving Natalee.

Janet

++++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #723 2/5 -
« Reply #635 on: February 05, 2008, 09:47:26 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2572.msg341888;topicseen#msg341888


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2009, 11:49:43 PM
Somebody help please, what is the woman's name to the right of Paulus?  Is the last name Acker?
 ::MonkeyConfused::  I thought it was, but I can't find it now!


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/pvdskc5.png)

TM - I know who you are thinking of but her name escapes me right now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 13, 2009, 11:50:50 PM
Janet - thank you!  Yes, Jean Akers is who I was thinking of but I'm not sure if that's her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 13, 2009, 11:52:26 PM


Thanks Janet!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Yes, that's her name!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 13, 2009, 11:57:45 PM
Klaas and texasmom ... did you notice that on the same page ... there was a quote from our Peaches.

Peaches gave her all in the battle against that relentless enemy within with her hubby and daughter supporting her all the way..

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have you heard from Mr. Peaches?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:00:20 AM
This is why I asked....must just be coincidence.   ::MonkeyWink::


7/31/2009 Awe Mainta Page 24

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/07312009AweMaintaPg24.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

huez new for aruba

corte in first instancia of aruba owing to achieve one huez new, madam and. van acker. day 23 of july madam van acker owing to presta huramento fast of governor. present was procurador general of aruba, huez interino encarga cu coordinacion, griffier of corte y the pareha of madam van acker, sir owing to. veselaj. madam van acker will cuminsa work entrante 3 of august at corte in first instancia of aruba.

Story here too:  http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10781/29/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 14, 2009, 12:03:05 AM
Somebody help please, what is the woman's name to the right of Paulus?  Is the last name Acker?
 ::MonkeyConfused::  I thought it was, but I can't find it now!


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/pvdskc5.png)

TM - I know who you are thinking of but her name escapes me right now.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   To me, I saw the woman to Paulus's right as the shorter brunette.....had no clue.  If that makes any sense.   Good thing it's near my sign off time....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
Klaas and texasmom ... did you notice that on the same page ... there was a quote from our Peaches.

Peaches gave her all in the battle against that relentless enemy within with her hubby and daughter supporting her all the way..

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Have you heard from Mr. Peaches?

Janet

I was just thinking of Peaches late last night when I was here by myself.  I'm hoping she's helping from above!  I miss her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2009, 12:05:30 AM
I think it may be the same person in all images.  I could be wrong.

Nevertheless ... Jean Ackers affiliation with the "powers that be" in Aruban dictated that she was not an advocate for an 18 year old American citizen named Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++

Beth Holloway
LOVING NATALEE

Page 185

The island authorities originally planned to release the three suspects at two o-clock in the morning on Saturday, September 3.  The Strategic Communications Task Force undoubtedly helped them make a less conspicuous move and release them in the afternoon instead.  Curious to see the setup at the van der Sloot house for Joran's parade of victory, I drive by there, never in a million years expecting to see who is there.  It's the U.S. vice-consul.  At the van der Sloots' house.  Why is she here?  She spots me.  Jumps in her car and follows me to a resturant parking lot, waving, honking, calling on the cell phone.  I don't want to talk to her.  Who can we trust?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 14, 2009, 12:11:09 AM
Interesting article written by Jean Akers starts on pg 13  ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:11:51 AM
Somebody help please, what is the woman's name to the right of Paulus?  Is the last name Acker?
 ::MonkeyConfused::  I thought it was, but I can't find it now!


(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/pvdskc5.png)

TM - I know who you are thinking of but her name escapes me right now.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   To me, I saw the woman to Paulus's right as the shorter brunette.....had no clue.  If that makes any sense.   Good thing it's near my sign off time....

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: It's o.k. 2NJ!  I probably didn't describe her location right, I was so aggravated that I couldn't find anything about her at all!

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyDevil::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 14, 2009, 12:22:46 AM
Good Night All! Its been a very long day and I'm hitting the hay...

Janet Have Fun on Your Trip and Stay Safe...We will Miss You Very Much!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2009, 12:24:48 AM
JEAN AKERS

MumIn Ohio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #776 11/19-08
« Reply #819 on: November 21, 2008, 08:34:58 AM »


Don't Be Taken in by Visa Scams
U.S. Embassy, Phnom Penh
September 12, 2007
 
Embassy Consular Officer Jean Akers being interviewed on the set of TVK's "Good Morning Cambodia." Full Size

In response to increasing reports of dishonest agencies offering high school student programs and vocational internships for hefty fees, Consular Chief Anne Simon and the Chief of the Embassy's Nonimmigrant Visa Unit, Jean Akers, recently took to the radio and TV airwaves to warn Cambodian citizens about these scams. The consular officials urged the public to carefully evaluate company claims, and they emphasized that the Embassy does not guarantee visas to anyone. They also urged people to contact the Embassy if they have been the victim of a visa scam or fraud.

http://cambodia.usembassy.gov/visa_scams.html


FOREIGN SERVICE OPPORTUNITIES TO BE TOPIC OF BROWN-BAG LUNCH AT OU
NORMAN – Anyone interested in a career in the foreign service or with the U.S. Department of State won’t want to miss the brown-bag lunch with Foreign Service Officer Jean Akers, who will discuss “Foreign Service and Other Opportunities at the State Department,” at noon Tuesday, Aug. 29, on the University of Oklahoma Norman campus, in 132 Ellison Hall, 633 Elm Ave.
 
A native Oklahoman, Akers graduated from Casady School in 1992. She received her undergraduate degree from the State University of New York at New Paltz in 1999 and a master of arts in international relations from the University of Amsterdam in 2003.

Akers joined the State Department in January 2004 and currently is finishing her first assignment at the U.S. Consulate General in Curacao, Netherlands Antilles. In her next assignment, she will serve as a consular officer at the U.S. Embassy in Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

The free, public discussion is sponsored by the School of International and Area Studies in the College of Arts and Sciences. For more information and accommodations on the basis of disability, contact Sandi Emond at (405) 325-1584 or semond@ou.edu.

http://casweb.ou.edu/home/news/press/press_20060828.html


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4153.msg551665;topicseen#msg551665



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:30:09 AM
Good Night All! Its been a very long day and I'm hitting the hay...

Janet Have Fun on Your Trip and Stay Safe...We will Miss You Very Much!

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
Good Night All! Its been a very long day and I'm hitting the hay...

Janet Have Fun on Your Trip and Stay Safe...We will Miss You Very Much!

Thanks hotping.

Son-In-Law will be here with the kids at 4:00 AM and ... driving us to the airport.  Everything is in order.  our duffle bags and two carry on bags with all documents are waiting by the front door.  However ... I cannot settle down to sleep.  I think a game of Scrabble may do the trick but ... first I have to drag hubby away from his precious Discovery Channel.

Good Night All!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:33:55 AM
Good Night All! Its been a very long day and I'm hitting the hay...

Janet Have Fun on Your Trip and Stay Safe...We will Miss You Very Much!

Thanks hotping.

Son-In-Law will be here with the kids at 4:00 AM and ... driving us to the airport.  Everything is in order.  our duffle bags and two carry on bags with all documents are waiting by the front door.  However ... I cannot settle down to sleep.  I think a game of Scrabble may do the trick but ... first I have to drag hubby away from his precious Discovery Channel.

Good Night All!

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 14, 2009, 12:40:44 AM
Janet,  safe trip....Enjoy!!!

Good night to everyone else.  I'll see you later. 

Justice for Natalee. ::MonkeyJustice::

 ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 12:44:47 AM
Janet,  safe trip....Enjoy!!!

Good night to everyone else.  I'll see you later. 

Justice for Natalee. ::MonkeyJustice::

 ::MonkeyHeart::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 01:09:43 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 14, 2009, 08:07:18 AM
Good Morning All.

Just checking email and airline website and then heading out the door.

Brandi knows that something is up with all the activity and is whining out in her kennel.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Niece and hubby are staying at our home to be with her but they will not be here for a few hours.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
5:05 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 14, 2009, 10:14:22 AM
Janet - I hope you have a wonderful trip!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 14, 2009, 10:14:45 AM
So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2009, 10:57:14 AM
So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

In the photo with Paulus, the person to his left resembled Jean Akers to me.  Spelling right or wrong, that is the person I was thinking about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 11:20:11 AM
So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

I think so. I'd like to see more information on the new judge though. ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 14, 2009, 11:21:31 AM
Mere, Thanks for the correction on swine flu reports to WHO.  I do find it strange that counting cases has stopped globally.  I thought that was the only way to track cases.  Oh, well.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 14, 2009, 11:27:33 AM
Good Morning All.

Just checking email and airline website and then heading out the door.

Brandi knows that something is up with all the activity and is whining out in her kennel.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Niece and hubby are staying at our home to be with her but they will not be here for a few hours.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
5:05 AM PT

I hope you have a wonderful trip, Janet!! Don't worry about Brandi. Brandi will be fine in her kennel with your family to look out after her! 

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 11:35:00 AM
http://www.afsa.org/fsj/apr08/afsa_news.pdf

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Akers_April2008_ForeignServiceJo-1.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_language

snip

Khmer (ភាសាខ្មែរ), or Cambodian, is the language of the Khmer people and the official language of Cambodia.

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 01:36:01 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11096/5/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08142009_24Ora_Bubali.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

family y my team

friday, 14 august 2009 - 10:21

“loke do you sow today, are you cosecha tomorrow,” is one proverb much using in the vida daily paper here at aruba. one problem social cu owing to come is creciendo much ultimo anjanan is the problem of gangnan. much is wordu talk, but some is wordu haci for help soluciona the fenomeno here. click read more for more info... in life always do you will have one choice. could you stop at near y follow critica or could you throw up one hand y help do you prohimo. for es motibo here bubali s.c. is organizando monday now 17 of august one lezing cu is take away the topico, “ami do not fight in gang; my gang is my family y my team.” will have 3 orador on the night here, y they're personanan cu amplio conocemento on the matter here. among the oradornan will is present sr. tony green, cu is one doctor in the material of psylogia. also will tey sra. trudy hassel, cu is one inspectrese of police y one luchador incansable contra the practica here of gangnan. y can ultimo will tey present sr. dennis jacobs cu is one recherché cu amplio conocemento of usage of drugs. the lezing is declaration of policy for cuminsa 7.30 of night y will take lugar at clubhuis of bubali. one invitacion is bay at all deportista, fanatico, dirigentenan of teamnan of all sport, provided that especial futbol y also parents for come listen the charla interesting here. the is one oportunidad unique for could you hanja information important on what is the consecuencianan hour are you fight in gang. my gang is my family y my team. yega…dialuna now..na clubhuis of bubali…awo have co come across!! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 14, 2009, 01:50:41 PM
http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/

Anna,
Out of 51 states and territories reporting
7,511 hospilalized cases
477 deaths


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 14, 2009, 02:04:53 PM
So we have two different people, right?

Acker and Akers?

In the photo with Paulus, the person to his left resembled Jean Akers to me.  Spelling right or wrong, that is the person I was thinking about.

I agree...
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 02:14:03 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

THURSDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009

Chance For a New Beginning

Resulting from the tragic disappearance in May 2005 of Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba, many immediately saw what appeared to be rampant cronyism, corruption, and downright criminal actions on the part of those elected to preserve and protect = The Aruban Government and its Judiciary.

Throughout these past 4 years, many have watched and listened to further injustices against both Natalee and her family by those same "authorities".

Many have also seen the reaction of the world to the continued spotlight on Aruba, and its previously hidden underbelly of crime.

Such an underbelly has gone unreported in their crime statistics, thereby continuing to promote a safe vacation destination of "One Happy Island".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.0



Now four years later, we are finally seeing what we hope is only the beginning of official investigating, exposing, and criminally charging those who helped Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in covering up their crimes against Natalee Holloway.

This Aruban citizen has publicly stated what many have cried out for these past four years:

Aruba, do something about your corrupt elected officials. From your Prime Minister, your Minister of Justice, and Minister of Tourism, to your Public Prosecutor, your Law Enforcement Officers, and your Judicial Bench.

YOU can make a change. YOU can ensure that your homeland turns itself around, punishes the guilty, and affirms that the message this injustice sent to your youth - that crime can and will go unpunished on Aruba - gets stopped now.

Your public outcry insisting on righting this wrong, on demanding just punishment against those who abducted and murdered Natalee Holloway, and those who enabled their freedom from such punishment are brought before Lady Justice, one and all, is imperative.

Send a message to your elected officials that their actions must reflect clear and concise measures of morality, good will, integrity and conformance to the law. Let them know that should their actions fall short of these things, that you the people will not tolerate it. That you will no longer suffer the consequences of their corrupt decisions and actions.

Aruban citizens, we urge you to send letters encouraging, pleading, and demanding a just and right investigation, including criminal prosecution of these foul perpetrators, to the Dutch investigators currently looking into these things.


Take a stand, and right this wrong. For Natalee Holloway. For her family.

And for yourselves and the future of your island.

http://www.transparency.org/contact_us/ti_nc/all

National Chapter
Netherlands

TI Netherlands

Address:
Transparency International Nederland
t.a.v. de directeur
Benoordenhoutseweg 23
2596 BA s Gravenhage

Email:
gk@vandermandele.eu

Website:
www.transparencyinternational.nl

Contact Person(s):
Mr Charles van der Mandele
Director/CEO
Phone : +31 70 353 8280
Fax : +31 70 353 8333

E-mail(s):
gk@vandermandele.eu



http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

MONDAY, JULY 27, 2009

Aruba's Moral Crisis

Where ever you go today, you are always able to hear something negative about the dire situation on the island of Aruba.

If it's not coming from your radio or television, it's the local newspapers filled everyday with articles that make it clear of this somber reality that according to many has really gone out of hand. These are not just ordinary complaints or political rants addressing a particularly bad situation. Unfortunately it is the ugly truth that we are all experiencing on this "one happy island" of Aruba today. Teen pregnancy has reached alarming and critical numbers apparently twice as large as the numbers presently at hand in Holland. The latter supposedly the country that many here in Aruba, including our Prime Minister and his popular sidekicks the Ex Minister of Justice and the Minister of Health call our "Mother Country" lacking in strong religious and moral conviction and lost in it's liberal ways with it's free sex, homosexual marriage, child pornography and it's drug abuse gone ramped and available everywhere in the Netherlands. These people are in the frame of mind that here in Aruba we are living in a super fantastic Utopia, where none of these undesirable things happen, this because of their own and their prestigious party's high moral and religious convictions. They believe they have all of these minor local problems very much under control as they all themselves live a healthy and wholesome life.

The Irony and cruel reality unfortunately is that here in Aruba our government employees and the government itself over the last few years have been constantly under suspicion and are presently being investigated by the Dutch government (as the local Aruban government and Dept. of Justice would not look into this for 8 consecutive years) for being involved in obscure businesses, fraud and scandal in different departments of the government.

Armed robbery cases, sometimes with bloody consequences in the light of day all around the island, the homeless drug addicted vagrant "choller" phenomenon is reaching it's highest numbers and keeps growing and is already to be seen at the high rise hotels. The stealing in and of automobiles, theft in commercial establishments and home invasions are happening more then ever all over the island. Many of these are done by our own local youth and this unfortunately has become a common occurrence. We have reached the point where everyone already ask themselves daily, "when will I be next"?

Where did things go wrong? Why does it seem that we never have a solution in place or one that soon will be implemented, for any of our social problems. Who will take responsibility for this fiasco and obvious failure to see or address these very apparent social problems.

Perhaps it was the rising of crude prices? or do we blame it on Henny Eman and his "gang" of the AVP party? Was it the Minister that was not available for health reasons and has since past away, is he to blame? Oh no, it was Tico, he single-handedly took care of this! Perhaps it's our antiquated and liberal Dutch laws? No, it's Andin Bikker the "Capitalist Straw Man", who did know how to break the monopoly in telecommunications on the island -where the big, fat and lazy government owned entity loved to over charge us all for a very long time on the island. Or was it Digicel? Is it the introduction of AZV our national health insurance or was it the racetrack or Ralph Sanchez perhaps? Or is it the crazy American Tourist who come to the island in droves and love to buy drugs and get high and make a scene everywhere they go? It's probably the devil worshipping cults that are recently invading and corrupting our Aruban teens. No it is the Colombian, Venezuelan, Dominican and the rest of these "Latinos" who we have been importing during the last few years to do the work, they are the ones to blame for this chaos here in Aruba.

Sorry folks, I believe it is none of the above. It is us, we the people of Aruba,
"The Original Aruban", we are to blame, we let things go out of hand and let this happen to our country and to ourselves.

The love for money and the yearning for living a larger life while having everyone around you work hard and possibly even suffer to make just a little bit. The lack of brotherly love and the sense of entitlement as to own and take things that you know are not yours, does not belong to you, do not deserve and was never yours to begin with, but knowingly keep it to yourself or keep abusing of this one sided situation anyway, as you believe that you deserve it and have the right to it. At hand is the "Live and Let Die " , "Greed is Good", instead of the "Live and Let Live" mentality. All of this with a corrupt governmental and judicial environment has unfortunately distorted the moral compass of the Aruban society.

And now what? Do we pray to God, Mother Mary, the Buddha, Saints Peter? Will this bring the solution? Or should we forget all our problems by ignoring the situation by the use and abuse of alcohol, drugs and partying on with no end every weekend. Who's is here this weekend? Double R, Diomedes Diaz, Earth, Wind and Fire, perhaps Jamie Foxx: "Blame it on the A, A, A, A, A Alcohol Baby.....?

No people, the solution starts with ones self.

Demand, what you do have the right to, in a well balanced society.

That is a peaceful life, living in harmony and coexistence with nature and your fellow man, all under the watchful eye of the Lord All Mighty. This should be demanded and expected from anyone who sits down in the new government seat.

What future would we have if it all stays the same and everything stays in the hands of those whom party in their private club and today own many things that 8 to 12 years ago they did not have, including nightclubs, sports bars, buildings "all inclusive" meaning already prearranged and signed with a convenient government long lease at exaggerated high rates and all this without having invited tenders nor legal contracts, hotel spa's, crazy high salaries for friends and family all these part of the Exclusive Elitist Club. Many of these do not even have to set foot at the government or government allied job for years, the traveling all over the world anytime there is an issue at hand in the parliament that these elected representatives have to face and resolve and therefor don't confront, not to mention the making available to these Ministers of government employees as to captain and maintain their personal yachts and to work on their political campaigns for this "private club of humble capitalist" working in a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people?

How embarrassing...

Please deceive someone else.

How sweet it is!

4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years!

Wake up folks...

POSTED BY FLUIT AT 12:21 PM

POSTED BY NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS AT 12:23 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 14, 2009, 03:02:00 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 14, 2009, 03:04:59 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!

As time goes on it will become even more obvious me thinks but,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 03:17:37 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 03:30:40 PM
From today's Diario:

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news2.html

Papiamentu translation:

empleadonan preocupa cu possible paro of operacion of time share of la cabana

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08142009_Diario_LaCabana_1.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): diahuebs did take lugar one caso at corte of husticia, in cual blue green corporation of merca owing to ask one advocate try stop deportacion of his employee garret ulewicz, that owing to come aruba year happen y owing to help fix the situation of time share of la cabana.

after of one control of autoridadnan local, owing to leave at cla cu ulewicz at various occasion owing to stay aruba more time of cual was worde permiti, without ask for this oficialmente.

apart from this owing to worde constata cu the will was trahando without permission of trabao, mirando cu the not owing to ricibi contesta still for his peticion for such permission.

huez owing to dicta diahuebs cu conforme orden of minister of husticia, ulewicz have to bandona aruba today.

several employee of la cabana owing to bay corte for sostene ulewicz, mirando cu they're feel y they will owing to achieve one indicacion cu if ulewicz not worde permiti of stay aruba for follow give training y guia operacion of the seccion of time share of the hotel, blue green muy probably will dicidi of stop the operacion y this will place cu at least 70 mother y father of family will lose they trabao.

now the are big here of employee is much preocupa because they not know kico is bay happen, now cu ulewicz is bay worde deporta. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news4.html

fiscal van der schaft interoga in caso of michael williams

oranjestad (aan): relaciona cu the peticion for cuminza one caso of damage y perhuicio contra gobierno of part of michael williams, have one investigacion andando.

williams is achieve cu all the asunto rond of detencion y castigo of his yiunan y the as con owing to listra in his cas at various occasion, is persecusion politico, among another because past owing to trece fast some acusacion earnest contra gobierno of mep, among another for thing is the asunto namdar.

during interogacion of various person relaciona cu the caso cu williams wanted cuminza, owing to ask about among another boss of recherche tocante of mencion of one list of name of person of gang of dakota, mirando cu according williams the boss of recherche here know of existencia of such list.

advocate of williams gabri de hoogd owing to haci peticion also for listen fiscal van der schaft tocante the asunto here, mirando cu the was the fiscal encarga cu ultimo caso of gang of dakota, of cual owing to worde tell for autoridadnan cu the two you hombernan of williams is pertenece.

diahuebs was the day cu fiscal van der schaft owing to worde interoga at corte of husticia.na end of his interogacion daily paper owing to stop pafo for saca his potret, but the fiscal owing to leave for of one door behind corte.

daily paper owing to busca advocate de hoogd for one interview tocante the interogacion here, but not owing to succeed achieve contacto cune.

will follow haci attempt of achieve contacto cune, for so informa people kico all owing to sosode during the session of interogacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 04:01:23 PM
http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2007/2007-08-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2007-08-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm


August 8, 2007

Court case is set on gay marriage

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/CaspervanderSchaft2007.jpg)

Casper van der Schaft, officer of justice, outside the court expressed the concerns of the OM on this civil case about gay marriage.

ORANGE CITY - The appeal of a gay couple from the country Aruba on registration in the population has changed in a matter of sham marriages.

This became clear Monday during the proceedings in the Court of First Instance in Orange City. It chose the gay couple not to be present, possibly for reasons of privacy. (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 14, 2009, 04:01:42 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Agreed.  I also feel there are some on that rock who know exactly what happened to Natalee, and have been up until now afraid of coming forward.  Maybe they can put those fears aside now?  Now that the Dutch are there investigating....and they could go right to those folks, instead of the Aruba officials they are afraid of.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!


I agree jen!  I feel very confident that there are MANY more Arubans that feel the same way that the writer of that blog feels about the state of affairs on Aruba.  Now they need to do something about it!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Agreed.  I also feel there are some on that rock who know exactly what happened to Natalee, and have been up until now afraid of coming forward.  Maybe they can put those fears aside now?  Now that the Dutch are there investigating....and they could go right to those folks, instead of the Aruba officials they are afraid of.



Exactly!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 14, 2009, 05:29:55 PM
I did get a heads up about this from the caretakers of the Freebirds.

They felt this was a message that needed to be heard.

I agree!

 ::MonkeyCool::

It's high time the every day Joe Aruban stands up and does something for their island!  Especially now that the corruption is so obvious!

IT IS high time for sure.  I used to think Jossy would be the one to solve this but not anymore.  He has to live on his island and JMO Jossy never did have enough info to help in this case OR he did have it and withheld it for political purposes.  AGAIN I state this as my opinion only.  I believe LOTS of people on that island knows what happened to Natalee.  All you have to do is look at the way the men on that island treat women, young girls and yes little children.  In 4 years it never ceases to amaze me the way they brush off the crimes committed to the females on that island.  Natalee is NOT the first victim on that hell-whole island.  She will not the last victim until someone comes forward and gives this female, this daughter, this sister her day in court where JUSTICE FOR NATALEE will prevail.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2009, 06:02:37 PM
In the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil case there was a hearing yesterday regarding Kay Skeeters asking for attorneys fees.  Nothing has been filed pertaining to yesterdays hearing.  I'll check back.

Future hearings are:


Case Number: BC363201
DEEPAK KALPOE VS PHILLIP C MCGRAW
Filing Date: 12/13/2006
Case Type: Defamation (Slander/Libel) (General Jurisdiction)
Status: Pending



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Hearings
09/15/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))

09/15/2009 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))

05/06/2010 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Final Status Conference

05/17/2010 at 09:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Jury Trial



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 14, 2009, 07:09:48 PM
Thanks, Klaas


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 08:12:14 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 08:17:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60973.php

Google translation:


Major fraud at Valero

14 Aug, 2009, 15:00 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The refinery of Valero is a major fraud detected. For how much money there is cheating is not known, but according to unconfirmed sources, it is many millions. The Amigoe has from the U.S. spokesman Bill Day confirmed that they received the case very seriously. "But it's not that the FBI on the case is put," said Day in response to reports in the Papiamento-language media that the U.S. investigative agency research here.

This newspaper now know that a manager of the maintenance department and then was dismissed because of irregularities. Day would like to first confirm nor deny that an investigation of fraud going on. "We never comment on internal matters."

After this newspaper announcement from reliable sources that they already received a confirmation of the investigation into the fraud, he says: "We take very seriously." It is not confirmed to the editor or manager fired AH a direct share in the fraud. What is clear is that he is not the only one who instantly dismissed. Another senior who is home sick, the sack would have been.

The fraud was allegedly committed in the purchase of parts or in the procurement of local businesses. There would be money under the table are shifted to employees of Valero by entrepreneurs such lucrative contracts were in drag. Similarly, in the United States have been ordered parts that never arrived and that the money in the pockets of fraudulent workers disappeared.

There is no instance of fraud made by Valero, reports Ann Angela spokesman of the Public Prosecutor (OM). "Officially, not known to us, whether or not a foreign investigation is examining the case. What we know from the newspaper. "If the FBI or other foreign body detection in Aruba investigation would have to do this in advance by the OM are reported. Attorney-General Rob Pietersz said earlier in this newspaper are tougher to look after them in the Natalee Holloway case to be handled easy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 08:27:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60978.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Little interest in auction Havana

14 Aug, 2009, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/14-aruba-veiling-havana-_yl.gif)

The effects of the ambitious up Wokrestaurant New Havana Beach Bar is publicly auctioned yesterday.

ORANGE CITY - The effects of the restaurant in February closed New Havana, yesterday morning at a public auction under the hammer gone. The large Buddha images, the crockery, tables and chairs to the whole kitchen had to believe it. The whole household was in a lot florin 60,000 returns. None of the interested parties had, however interest. For the first items that were auctioned, was little interest and it was a quiet impression until wanted lots such as the tables under the hammer came. There was enough interest. New Havana was not sustainable. In February after a raid was made by immigration staff of WARDA Nos Costa and almost the entire staff was arrested, the turnaround for the bar. After the staff was not paid and dissatisfaction with some of the household went off, the bar and the restaurant closed. The bar has been re-leased. Ramon Groot Antink, former owner of Le Dôme restaurant and dive center owner John Oster are busy with the renovations. The bar is under the new name "Papas Beach Bar" on September 1 opening. On page 5 an interview with the new tenants.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2009, 08:43:10 PM
Pretty sure the one in the brown tank top is ALINE HIBBERT

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlineBuster081209.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 14, 2009, 08:56:29 PM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/pretzer081409.jpg)

Show starts in about 4 minutes.  Click on the link below:

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 08:59:10 PM
Pretty sure the one in the brown tank top is ALINE HIBBERT

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AlineBuster081209.jpg)

Looks like her to me too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 14, 2009, 09:03:35 PM
I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 09:40:28 PM
8/14/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 8

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=32&Itemid=2

Well now, isn't that special....Paul Gielen, Chairman Search Committee  ::MonkeyRoll::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08142009_SDP_AHATACEOLISTING.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 14, 2009, 10:05:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_60973.php

Google translation:


Major fraud at Valero

14 Aug, 2009, 15:00 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The refinery of Valero is a major fraud detected. For how much money there is cheating is not known, but according to unconfirmed sources, it is many millions. The Amigoe has from the U.S. spokesman Bill Day confirmed that they received the case very seriously. "But it's not that the FBI on the case is put," said Day in response to reports in the Papiamento-language media that the U.S. investigative agency research here.

This newspaper now know that a manager of the maintenance department and then was dismissed because of irregularities. Day would like to first confirm nor deny that an investigation of fraud going on. "We never comment on internal matters."

After this newspaper announcement from reliable sources that they already received a confirmation of the investigation into the fraud, he says: "We take very seriously." It is not confirmed to the editor or manager fired AH a direct share in the fraud. What is clear is that he is not the only one who instantly dismissed. Another senior who is home sick, the sack would have been.

The fraud was allegedly committed in the purchase of parts or in the procurement of local businesses. There would be money under the table are shifted to employees of Valero by entrepreneurs such lucrative contracts were in drag. Similarly, in the United States have been ordered parts that never arrived and that the money in the pockets of fraudulent workers disappeared.

There is no instance of fraud made by Valero, reports Ann Angela spokesman of the Public Prosecutor (OM). "Officially, not known to us, whether or not a foreign investigation is examining the case. What we know from the newspaper. "If the FBI or other foreign body detection in Aruba investigation would have to do this in advance by the OM are reported. Attorney-General Rob Pietersz said earlier in this newspaper are tougher to look after them in the Natalee Holloway case to be handled easy.


8/14/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page & Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08142009AweMaintaFP.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

valero aruba under investigacion of recherche y even fbi

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08142009AweMaintaPg3.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

rumornan strong of investigacion big at valero recherche y even fbi envolvi in the investigacion

awemainta owing to ricibi yesterday various yamadanan of personanan good at height cu owing to give the informacion cu will have one investigacion very big self tumando lugar at valero caminda hendenan local is wordo investiga relaciona cu malversacion of miyones of dollar.

the noticianan even is indica cu do not only recherche is bezig cu the investigacion, but even fbi of merca owing to arrive aruba for atende cu the caso here.

apparently today will is yegando aruba also one team of auditornan for of merca for analiza detayadamente where the cosnan will can owing to bay aberration caminda cu will owing to succeed, according the informacionnan ricibi, malversa miyones of dollar. is being talk cu is deal here of arubianonan cu posicionnan enough high in maneho of the refineria cu will owing to achieve they retiro y/of owing to wordo poni on one base non-actief.

did take contacto cu the vocero of valero yesterday tardi, but past owing to indica cu the not know of nothing tocante the caso here.mientras tanto, more call owing to enter at we table of redaccion on the caso here.

in transcurso of day will try of achieve more informacion for have one claridad on the situation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 12:40:51 AM
 ::MonkeyFootball:: WAKE UP WRECK BEFORE I TACKLE YOUR AZZZZZZ... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 15, 2009, 12:50:16 AM
::MonkeyFootball:: WAKE UP WRECK BEFORE I TACKLE YOUR AZZZZZZ... ::MonkeyFootball::
My Rangers were up 4-2 in the 9th against the Redsox and lost 8-4!!!  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyMad::
In better news.... my OSU Cowboys made the "Regional" cover of Sports Illustrated "College Preview" edition!! (I hope the "jinx" doesn't hit us!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 12:54:59 AM
::MonkeyFootball:: WAKE UP WRECK BEFORE I TACKLE YOUR AZZZZZZ... ::MonkeyFootball::
My Rangers were up 4-2 in the 9th against the Redsox and lost 8-4!!!  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyMad::
In better news.... my OSU Cowboys made the "Regional" cover of Sports Illustrated "College Preview" edition!! (I hope the "jinx" doesn't hit us!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I must say.I'm a bit disappointed in the cup is half empty attitude after your Cowboys got a verbal from,Sugarland,Tx stud linebacker Shaun Lewis.. ::MonkeyCheer4:: Offers from just about everybody in the country!!BIG get for Gundy... ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 12:58:03 AM
I'm a firm believer in the saying.Although there is no observable progress,progress is still being made..To Paulus,The perps,the disinformation specialists as well as the American Traitors........


YOU THINK YOU KNOW?YOU HAVE NO IDEA....TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 15, 2009, 12:58:56 AM
::MonkeyFootball:: WAKE UP WRECK BEFORE I TACKLE YOUR AZZZZZZ... ::MonkeyFootball::
My Rangers were up 4-2 in the 9th against the Redsox and lost 8-4!!!  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyMad::
In better news.... my OSU Cowboys made the "Regional" cover of Sports Illustrated "College Preview" edition!! (I hope the "jinx" doesn't hit us!)  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I must say.I'm a bit disappointed in the cup is half empty attitude after your Cowboys got a verbal from,Sugarland,Tx stud linebacker Shaun Lewis.. ::MonkeyCheer4:: Offers from just about everybody in the country!!BIG get for Gundy... ::MonkeyCheer4::
Yes, we are in our golden era right now -- I'm stoked! ( The Big 12 South is just so, so challenging with Texas, OU, OSU, and Texas Tech -  that it is just mind numbing!)  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 15, 2009, 01:02:49 AM
OT should be in Musings, Monkey Lounge, Sports, etc.  You all know that.     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 01:07:00 AM
I'm a firm believer in the saying.Although there is no observable progress,progress is still being made..To Paulus,The perps,the disinformation specialists as well as the American Traitors........


YOU THINK YOU KNOW?YOU HAVE NO IDEA....TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK
  ::MonkeyJustice:: Tick Tock Tick Tock!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 15, 2009, 01:09:21 AM
OT should be in Musings, Monkey Lounge, Sports, etc.  You all know that.     
Sorry ......... I try not to do it when there is active case dialogue going on. Late nights are slow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 15, 2009, 01:11:02 AM
I'm a firm believer in the saying.Although there is no observable progress,progress is still being made..To Paulus,The perps,the disinformation specialists as well as the American Traitors........


YOU THINK YOU KNOW?YOU HAVE NO IDEA....TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK
  ::MonkeyJustice:: Tick Tock Tick Tock!

(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 01:12:56 AM
Thanks 2NJ!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 15, 2009, 01:16:06 AM
OT should be in Musings, Monkey Lounge, Sports, etc.  You all know that.     
Sorry ......... I try not to do it when there is active case dialogue going on. Late nights are slow.

I know things slide often, but I didn't want the sports to overshadow this thread. 

Will be heading out.  Keep it focused on Natalee, as best you can.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 01:51:00 AM
Thanks 2NJ!  ::MonkeyAngel::
For the Tick Tock Clock...That is!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 02:19:03 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 02:34:53 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


JUSTICE WILL BE HER'S

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

TO PAULUS,THE PERPS,DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS
AS WELL AS AMERICAN TRAITORS.......

YOUR TIME IS TICKING

TICK_TOCK

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 01:19:34 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i's stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 01:20:04 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 01:27:21 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit

Good morning KTF!  yummmmm...I love french toast.  Maybe I'll make some for brunch!  I'm still drinking coffee too even though it's afternoon here!

Hopefully today we will be one day closer to  ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 01:42:41 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit

Good morning KTF!  yummmmm...I love french toast.  Maybe I'll make some for brunch!  I'm still drinking coffee too even though it's afternoon here!

Hopefully today we will be one day closer to  ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Justice is coming,justice is coming and there's NOTHING the disinformation specialists & American traitors can do about it.. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 01:44:20 PM
Hi TM! I hope that You and All Monkeys Have a Wonderful Weekend!

Justice for Natalee is One Day Closer.......No Doubt!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit

Good morning KTF!  yummmmm...I love french toast.  Maybe I'll make some for brunch!  I'm still drinking coffee too even though it's afternoon here!

Hopefully today we will be one day closer to  ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Justice is coming,justice is coming and there's NOTHING the disinformation specialists & American traitors can do about it.. ::MonkeyGavel::
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 01:51:15 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit

Good morning KTF!  yummmmm...I love french toast.  Maybe I'll make some for brunch!  I'm still drinking coffee too even though it's afternoon here!

Hopefully today we will be one day closer to  ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Justice is coming,justice is coming and there's NOTHING the disinformation specialists & American traitors can do about it.. ::MonkeyGavel::
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeySlide::
Good Morning/Good afternoon HotPing.Just ridin around searchin for justice for Natalee Holloway!


::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 01:56:40 PM
Hi TM! I hope that You and All Monkeys Have a Wonderful Weekend!

Justice for Natalee is One Day Closer.......No Doubt!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeySlide::  Hi Hotping!  I hope you have a wonderful weekend too! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 02:06:26 PM
Good Morning Monkey's!Thought i'd stop in after having some french toast and strting on my 3rd cup of coffee ::MonkeyJnBox::
Self-edit

Good morning KTF!  yummmmm...I love french toast.  Maybe I'll make some for brunch!  I'm still drinking coffee too even though it's afternoon here!

Hopefully today we will be one day closer to  ::MonkeyJustice:: for Natalee!   ::MonkeyGavel::



Justice is coming,justice is coming and there's NOTHING the disinformation specialists & American traitors can do about it.. ::MonkeyGavel::
Hi KTF!  ::MonkeySlide::
Good Morning/Good afternoon HotPing.Just ridin around searchin for justice for Natalee Holloway!


::MonkeyBike::
  ::MonkeySkate:: I'm just skating around looking for Justice for Natalee....I have been digging ...Justice for Natalee Will Come!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 15, 2009, 02:07:34 PM
Hi TM! I hope that You and All Monkeys Have a Wonderful Weekend!

Justice for Natalee is One Day Closer.......No Doubt!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeySlide::  Hi Hotping!  I hope you have a wonderful weekend too! 

Thanks TM! See You All Later!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 15, 2009, 02:09:45 PM
Hi TM! I hope that You and All Monkeys Have a Wonderful Weekend!

Justice for Natalee is One Day Closer.......No Doubt!   ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeySlide::  Hi Hotping!  I hope you have a wonderful weekend too! 

Thanks TM! See You All Later!  ::MonkeySlide::

I'm off as well...  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 15, 2009, 05:12:23 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 15, 2009, 05:39:17 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

A local radio station is giving away free trips to Aruba in one of their contests.

http://wcbsfm.com/pages/4975557.php

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/cbs101fm.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 06:32:36 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

A local radio station is giving away free trips to Aruba in one of their contests.

http://wcbsfm.com/pages/4975557.php

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/cbs101fm.jpg)

Yes, Dan Taylor broadcast live for three days last week from Aruba.

Story here: 

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=702&Itemid=1

I posted about it, San....hoping you'd see it, and call in and tell them how it really is!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 15, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

A local radio station is giving away free trips to Aruba in one of their contests.

http://wcbsfm.com/pages/4975557.php

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/cbs101fm.jpg)

Yes, Dan Taylor broadcast live for three days last week from Aruba.

Story here: 

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=702&Itemid=1

I posted about it, San....hoping you'd see it, and call in and tell them how it really is!   ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry TM I missed your post about it.  I have been hearing about it since last week but there wasn't anything on their web page until this week.

Can you hear me now!!!  Hello, this is San from SM.  Why the heck (being nice in saying heck) would you put people in jeopardy by given them a free trip to that POS, drug infested, murdering island called Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 09:51:29 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

A local radio station is giving away free trips to Aruba in one of their contests.

http://wcbsfm.com/pages/4975557.php

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d118/Sanddrops/cbs101fm.jpg)

Yes, Dan Taylor broadcast live for three days last week from Aruba.

Story here: 

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=702&Itemid=1

I posted about it, San....hoping you'd see it, and call in and tell them how it really is!   ::MonkeyWink::

Sorry TM I missed your post about it.  I have been hearing about it since last week but there wasn't anything on their web page until this week.

Can you hear me now!!!  Hello, this is San from SM.  Why the heck (being nice in saying heck) would you put people in jeopardy by given them a free trip to that POS, drug infested, murdering island called Aruba.

 ::MonkeySlide::  I knew you'd tell it like it is San!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Wonder if those 90,000 "friends" they've never met...will tell them about the rest of the population that only consider their crack pipe a "friend" and are just waiting for the opportunity to knock them in the head and rob them...or sneak in their hotel room while they're asleep to rob them....or strip the rental car they're responsible for....or lots of other things WE NEVER HEAR ABOUT!

Something tells me they'll learn about that the hard way!   ::MonkeyMad::

How much did they get?  Really? Well....think about it like this...it was a FREE trip, that wouldn't have even paid your way here...so it's all good right?  You still have one good eye left, so it's all good....right?
 ::MonkeyDevil2::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 10:07:44 PM
8/3/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08032009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

investigacion is being haci, already cu owing to being tell cu at aruba they're achieve the pasaporte falsifica aruba is trampolin for brasileronan enter merca cu pasaporte portuguese falsifica

aruba have one of the mihor sistemanan for procesa pasaporte, cu t’e sistema radex. the sistema here, facilmente is detecta cualkier damage cu one pasaporte can have. if can have one damage self, do not debi n’e sistema of radex, but can have damage human.

saying this, awemainta owing to achieve informacion, cu muy provided that particular, brasileronan is usando aruba because; trampolin for enter merca.

they're enter aruba cu pasaporte of brazil, but is leave cu pasaporte apparently falsifica of portugual because; one country of union european. because all brasilero have to of visa for enter merca, but if the have one pasaporte of one country european y in the caso here, of portugal, the can enter merca without visa.

this owing to place cu have some brasilero know, cu owing to dicidi of using aruba because; trampolin for enter merca without visa. recientemente, assure the ultimo week, was at boston, merca, cu autoridadnan of imigracion owing to detene 2 person, cu owing to come procedente of aruba, of nacionalidad brasilero, but cu pasaporte of portugal, cu owing to resulta of is uno falsifica or owing to less do not accomplish cu ley.

during interrogacion of the two personanan here, they owing to declara cu have 15 person more, procedente of brazil cu is pendiente for aplica same modus operandi, for via of aruba, enter merca, for cual autoridadnan mericano owing to cuestiona at first lugar they own hendenan of pre-clearance at aruba. y owing to notifica also imigracion aruban, for as good view on the situation here.

es more, the two personanan here owing to declara cu is at aruba, they're achieve they pasaporte falsifica procedente of portugal. unabes cu autoridadnan at aruba owing to being notifica, they owing to succeed of place hand on 2 another brasilero, cu was at sharp of leave for merca. but here was the personal of imigracion mericano, cu owing to descubri the two ultimonan here, y for motibonan till still not mucho cla, owing to tarda of happen they over for imigracion of aruba, siendo the autoridad competente for haci the investigacion. 6 hour owing to happen, first cu they owing to stay entrega at autoridad local, thing owing to being cuestiona seriamente also.

all thing autoridad local, cu sosten of ministerio publico can owing to haci is, of confisca the documentonan falsifica y deporta the 2 personanan here of immediate.

the modus operandi of the brasileronan here is, cu they're fly for panama, y cu copa airlines is enter aruba, cu they pasaporte of brazil. but hour of leave for of aruba for merca, they're leave cu pasaporte of portugal. cu as some of they cu owing to stay deteni owing to declara, cu they're achieve this at aruba, for cual have one investigacion deep is tumando lugar.

but is surgi tog the question, con come the sistema of radex, cu as we owing to come is tell, t’e mihor sistema at world, cu have even merca y another paisnan very jalurs, not owing to detecta the falsificacionnan here.

esey is stay one question still for contesta. because conocedornan of the matter here is tell, not, the sistema of radex assure is 100% good, will owing to detecta one or another damage in the pasaporte, but have person “floho” y enbes of avisa they superior, will owing to “by-pass” the sistema y so the hendenan here owing to leave bay without problem.

the situation here, owing to become uno very fishy, because now, cu the employee publico here, of imigracion cu owing to “by-pass” or “overrule” the sistema, is being cuestiona pakico past owing to haci’e, without notifica his superiornan. the form of proceder here, is haci cu they're become sospechoso y as minister rudy croes owing to arrive of tell, “facilmente we hendenan can cay for placa”, esta cu they wordo “cumpra” for let they happen. esey also is being investiga.

but if is one damage human did take lugar at imigracion aruban, then dicon, the hendenan here owing to happen at imigracion mericano, without owing to being notice cu they have one pasaporta falsifica? cu this, we wanted tell, cu not can throw all culpa on we imigracion, but imigracion mericano also will owing to abort in the caso here.

was at boston, cu they detene 2 person, kendenan owing to tell cu at aruba they owing to achieve they pasaporte falsifica of portugal, y cu have because; 15 person more at caminda, cu will haci same modus operandi here, for can enter merca.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 15, 2009, 10:48:32 PM
8/5/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08052009AweMaintaPg27.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ambulance owing to take away tourist cu owing to fly for of balcon, poli

monday 8’or of night, police of beach is bay at one lowrise hotel, where one tourist owing to fly for of balcon of his bedroom. n’e sitio, police is achieve informacion for of one another tourist cu he d.c. was bao of influencia y angry y owing to fly for of the balcon.

according his declaracion, d.c. was in bedroom is drink cu some another tourist y they owing to cuminsa play bruto.

in esey, d.c. owing to angry y owing to fly for of the balcon. ambulance cu owing to come n’e sitio owing to hib’e poli for tratamento.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 15, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
8/5/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08052009AweMaintaPg27.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

ambulance owing to take away tourist cu owing to fly for of balcon, poli

monday 8’or of night, police of beach is bay at one lowrise hotel, where one tourist owing to fly for of balcon of his bedroom. n’e sitio, police is achieve informacion for of one another tourist cu he d.c. was bao of influencia y angry y owing to fly for of the balcon.

according his declaracion, d.c. was in bedroom is drink cu some another tourist y they owing to cuminsa play bruto.

in esey, d.c. owing to angry y owing to fly for of the balcon. ambulance cu owing to come n’e sitio owing to hib’e poli for tratamento.


Oh darn.  Those "stupid drunk tourists" just fly over the balcany.  They should know better.  Kinda like the passengers on cruse ships that just happen to "commit" suicide by "jumping" off the ships.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 01:27:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:17:54 AM

 

 ::MonkeySlide:: Good morning Monkeys! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:23:48 AM
I'm not sure where the tourist is from, but from this story late last night, she was hit by a car outside of the Hard Rock Cafe.  The driver of the car did come back to see what had happened.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1537&offId=0&offDate=2009-08

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08162009_Awe24_TouristHitbyCarOu-1.jpg)

http://www.awe24.com/_moblog_items/1537/10_1250396103.jpg

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08162009_Awe24_TouristHitbyCarOutsi.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

10 hora happen | fecha: 16/08/2009 | horario: 00:13

chofer owing to strike tourist y owing to core bay after ela go back for check what owing to happen cu the victima

saturday night owing to enter informe cu at height of hard rock cafe one car owing to strike one tourist y core bay, at once owing to dirigi police because; also ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to compronde cu one toyota starlet cora owing to strike one tourist y owing to follow core bay but owing to compronde cu after the chofer owing to go back at the sitio y owing to check what owing to happen cu the victima. ambulance owing to present at the sitio y owing to transporta the victima for hospital. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 11:28:45 AM
Not sure if the Amigoe translated version of this Valero article has already been posted or not:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61029.php

Extensive swindle at Valero
14 Aug, 2009, 13:09 (GMT -04:00)



SAN NICOLAS — An extensive swindle has been detected at the oil refinery of Valero. The amount of money involved is unknown yet, but according to unconfirmed sources, it concerns many millions. From the US, spokesperson Bill Day confirmed to the Amigoe that they are taking the matter very seriously, “but the FB I has not been put on the case”, according to Day in reaction to reports in the Papiamento-speaking media that the American Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating this.

Meanwhile, this newspaper is informed that a manager of the maintenance department had been fired on the spot because of irregularities. In first instance, Day did not wish to confirm or deny that an investigation on fraud was being carried out. “We never comment on internal affairs.”
After this newspaper had announced that they had already received a confirmation of the fraud-investigation from reliable resources, he said, “We are taking this very serious”. The editorial office did not receive a confirmation whether the dismissed manager A.H. was also directly involved with the fraud. However, it is clear that he was not the only one who had been fired on the spot. Supposedly, another managerial employee who was with sick leave, had been dismissed as well. The fraud was supposedly committed through the purchase of spare parts or in the contracting-out to local companies. Supposedly, contractors paid Valero co-workers sums under the counter so they could rake in lucrative contracts. Presumably, spare parts had also been ordered in the United States. However, as these never arrived at Valero, they were probably sold by fraudulent co-workers who also swindled the money.

The fraud at Valero was not reported, spokeswoman Ann Angela of the Public Prosecutor (OM) announced. “Officially we are not informed of anything, also not of a foreign investigation service investigating the case. What we know, is what we’ve learned from the newspaper.” If the FBI or another foreign investigation organization wants to carry out an investigation on Aruba, they will have to announce such to the Public Prosecutor in advance. As Attorney-General Rob Pietersz mentioned earlier in this newspaper, this matter will be observed more closely after having experienced that the Natalee Holloway-case was dealt with too easily.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 16, 2009, 11:35:36 AM
Morning All. Last night True TV had it's special about Natalee again. More coverage the better.
Hey, the waters are beginning to churn this hurricane season. Send a few to Ruba.   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:53:05 AM
Armin Solognier usually looks so reserved!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1069178&g2_page=1

Coolaruba/Gallery / Aruba Rembrandt Regatta with Acoustic Soul 14Aug

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1069432&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=6afe7237d18f0e181ff8d54d52491c9f)

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1069414&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=6afe7237d18f0e181ff8d54d52491c9f)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:55:20 AM
Not sure if the Amigoe translated version of this Valero article has already been posted or not:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61029.php

Extensive swindle at Valero
14 Aug, 2009, 13:09 (GMT -04:00)



SAN NICOLAS — An extensive swindle has been detected at the oil refinery of Valero. The amount of money involved is unknown yet, but according to unconfirmed sources, it concerns many millions. From the US, spokesperson Bill Day confirmed to the Amigoe that they are taking the matter very seriously, “but the FB I has not been put on the case”, according to Day in reaction to reports in the Papiamento-speaking media that the American Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating this.

Meanwhile, this newspaper is informed that a manager of the maintenance department had been fired on the spot because of irregularities. In first instance, Day did not wish to confirm or deny that an investigation on fraud was being carried out. “We never comment on internal affairs.”
After this newspaper had announced that they had already received a confirmation of the fraud-investigation from reliable resources, he said, “We are taking this very serious”. The editorial office did not receive a confirmation whether the dismissed manager A.H. was also directly involved with the fraud. However, it is clear that he was not the only one who had been fired on the spot. Supposedly, another managerial employee who was with sick leave, had been dismissed as well. The fraud was supposedly committed through the purchase of spare parts or in the contracting-out to local companies. Supposedly, contractors paid Valero co-workers sums under the counter so they could rake in lucrative contracts. Presumably, spare parts had also been ordered in the United States. However, as these never arrived at Valero, they were probably sold by fraudulent co-workers who also swindled the money.

The fraud at Valero was not reported, spokeswoman Ann Angela of the Public Prosecutor (OM) announced. “Officially we are not informed of anything, also not of a foreign investigation service investigating the case. What we know, is what we’ve learned from the newspaper.” If the FBI or another foreign investigation organization wants to carry out an investigation on Aruba, they will have to announce such to the Public Prosecutor in advance. As Attorney-General Rob Pietersz mentioned earlier in this newspaper, this matter will be observed more closely after having experienced that the Natalee Holloway-case was dealt with too easily.




Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:57:31 AM
Morning All. Last night True TV had it's special about Natalee again. More coverage the better.
Hey, the waters are beginning to churn this hurricane season. Send a few to Ruba.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Thanks cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 12:28:52 PM
To have never posted there, he/she/they sure do spend a lot of time there now.
 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 16, 2009, 01:41:50 PM
My latest google search

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/betonsports_founder_pleads_guilty/

Online betting mogul cops plea, coughs up $43m in gains
The slow demise of BetonSports' Gary Kaplan

By Dan Goodin in San Francisc


Gary S. Kaplan, the founder of online gambling empire BetonSports, pleaded guilty on Friday to multiple federal charges in an agreement that required him to forfeit more than $43m in criminal proceeds.

During an appearance in federal court in St. Louis, Missouri, the 50-year-old Kaplan admitted to conspiracy to violate the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, the Wire Wager Act, and related felonies. If the plea agreement is accepted by the judge overseeing the case, he will be sentenced to 41 to 51 months in prison.


The plea is the latest, and perhaps final, blow to the once high-flying BetonSports, which actively encouraged people on US soil to wager on sporting events using the internet and toll-free phone numbers. Founded in the late 1990s, the enterprise generated revenue in excess of $1bn in 2004, had close to 1 million registered customers, and accepted more than 10 million bets, according to prosecutors.

That same year, the company made a successful public offering of stock on the London Alternative Investment Market that raised more than $100m.

The company, Kaplan, and numerous other executives were indicted in 2006. The company soon folded, costing customers between $7m and $20m, Reuters reported. The company pleaded guilty  to violations of anti-gambling statutes in 2007 and has yet to face sentencing. CEO David Carruthers has also pleaded guilty.

Kaplan was arrested in March 2007 in the Dominican Republic after eluding authorities for nine months. He has been in federal custody ever since.

Kaplan on Friday said that beginning in the mid to late 1990s, he set up business entities offshore in Aruba, Antigua, and eventually Costa Rica to provide sportsbook services to US residents. He recently caused the wire transfer of $43.65m from a Swiss bank account to a US District Court bank account.

A sentencing hearing has been scheduled for October 27. ®





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 16, 2009, 01:43:06 PM
 ::MonkeyCool::   ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Looks like the zoom didn't zoom this morning OR have anything to zoom on!!!

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 16, 2009, 01:48:32 PM
This article was dated Aug. 14, 2009. For some reason the date didn't copy. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 16, 2009, 01:58:31 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

From the above post of the zoom camera at the Bucuti beach resort,it seems that the 70 million dollars isn't working! ::MonkeyGavel::

It's about high time they FIRE all the disinformation specialists and their American traitor friends!YA THINK.... ::MonkeyBike::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 02:08:46 PM
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2986/robsmithandtitolacle1.jpg)
http://www.papiacla.com/home.htm
http://www.papiacla.com

From the above post of the zoom camera at the Bucuti beach resort,it seems that the 70 million dollars isn't working! ::MonkeyGavel::

It's about high time they FIRE all the disinformation specialists and their American traitor friends!YA THINK.... ::MonkeyBike::


JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

When I read KTF's post...the chorus to this song came to mind!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyTongue::::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_7-vVyECbE


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 02:19:09 PM
After watching Tickle me Tubby Tito's interview with Rob Smith, I have a better understanding of the sudden departure of Rob Smith as CEO of AHATA.  Seems to me regardless of what Rob says about it, that he might have been feeling some heat from the Minister of Tourism.  JMO

 :smt075


 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 16, 2009, 02:27:26 PM
After watching Tickle me Tubby Tito's interview with Rob Smith, I have a better understanding of the sudden departure of Rob Smith as CEO of AHATA.  Seems to me regardless of what Rob says about it, that he might have been feeling some heat from the Minister of Tourism.  JMO

 :smt075


I have no sympathy for Rob Smith.Of course the Dumbazz powers that be need to blame an American for their own demise which was created by their very own!!THE SEXUAL DEVIANCY OF ARUBA IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE...ARUBA..YOU NEED TO THANK PAULUS,THE PERPS,THE DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN TRAITORS for NO TOURISTS!!

::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 16, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
After watching Tickle me Tubby Tito's interview with Rob Smith, I have a better understanding of the sudden departure of Rob Smith as CEO of AHATA.  Seems to me regardless of what Rob says about it, that he might have been feeling some heat from the Minister of Tourism.  JMO

 :smt075


SELF EDIT..for clarification..KTF'S post
I have no sympathy for Rob Smith.Of course the Dumbazz powers that be need to blame an American for their own demise which was created by their very own!!THE SEXUAL DEVIANCY OF ARUBA IS THERE FOR ALL TO SEE...ARUBA..YOU NEED TO THANK PAULUS,THE PERPS,THE DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST AS WELL AS THE AMERICAN TRAITORS for NO TOURISTS!!

::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 16, 2009, 06:00:43 PM
I think with the economy being the way it is, Aruba may as well sink. Vacations are selling off at low prices everywhere. You get a choice, go to a cheap dump like Aruba for very little money or go somewhere really nice for very little money.
And hello all and bye all. Just popping in to read and decided to say hello.
   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 06:20:52 PM
I think with the economy being the way it is, Aruba may as well sink. Vacations are selling off at low prices everywhere. You get a choice, go to a cheap dump like Aruba for very little money or go somewhere really nice for very little money.
And hello all and bye all. Just popping in to read and decided to say hello.
   

Hi Kat_Gram!  Good to see you!   ::MonkeySkate::

I wouldn't go to that hellhole if it was a free trip with every perk imaginable!  I'd promptly tell anyone that made the offer where they could stick it.

Aruba was actually on our extended family's list of places we all might visit, we'd talked about it after visiting Curacao many years ago (before Natalee's disappearance).  They all know better than to even mention it to me now. 

No Natalee, no tourists for Aruba.  Simple as that. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 07:53:02 PM
8/7/2009 Awe Mainta Page 29

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08072009AweMaintaPg29_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

tourist mericano is give complaint of ladronisia of his bag

one tourist mericano cu owing to bay swim cu his child, owing to ask asistencia of police for one caso of ladronisia. police is bay at eagle beach, fast la cabana y eynan they're talk cu the tourist mericano, that is tell police cu past owing to let his bag on beach one rato for bay swim cu his child y hour cu past owing to go back, ladronnan owing to bay cu his bag.

in the bag the had key of bedroom, key of the v-car, creditcard y 50 dollar. the caso is in investigacion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 07:57:59 PM
8/7/2009 Awe Mainta Page 30

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08072009AweMaintaPg30.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

the view at simeon antonio

this is the view with have practikamente all day in simeon antonio of the "conocido” angel maduro, owing to.k.a "preke". neither lesson e’la achieve day cu car owing to happen on his pianan once end. habitantenan of the district owing to cuminsa fada, apart from this e’la become bulgar y also one bad ehempel for children. one suplica is go at his family for cuminsa take pace for busca one as pe, but the habitantenan self will cuminsa busca company rond for look at if can place bao of curatela, adieu is the family will have to stop responsible for her destruccionnan cu "preke" is causando.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 08:30:35 PM
And another.....

8/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08112009AweMaintaPg8.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

choler female sleep in centro of beach

saturday night we reportero colaborador was haciendo one recorido in centro of oranjestad, hour cu of ripiente past owing to see one person throw plat on vloer. at once past owing to stop his car y descend look at, if the can help cu alto, y owing to come descubri cu here is deal of one choler female.

owing to avisa autoridad policial, but after of enough rato is keep y debi cu the have to owing to bay accomplish cu another compromiso owing to saca the photograph y bay for of the sitio, without cu police owing to arrive. till bistanan ugly here, we is achieve in we centro of beach, cu is cause dolor deep, mirando cu here is deal of one being female, cu owing to cay in tentacion of drugs.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 08:36:54 PM
8/11/2009 Awe Mainta Page 8

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08112009AweMaintaPg8_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

choler is fight y break vitrina of icr tech, without cu nothing is being haci contra they
 
monday nightfall owing to start one discucion among one choler female y another choler masculino. the discucion here owing to escala till become one action serious, where cu dado instant owing to bay over at throw one baranca on another, but this owing to bay strike y destrui the vitrina of the business icr tech.

y not can haci mucho debi cu already aruba do not one happy island more but owing to become aruba owing to choller’s paradise. the cholernan here is goza of the previlegio of can bath y come in the shelterhouse, roof on cabez y husticia not can haci they just nothing. the gasto is core for cuenta of the owner of icr tech., that for of enough day end is evalua of muda his business.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 16, 2009, 08:50:30 PM
 :smt028  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
Rumor has it there's some trouble in paradise (BFN) between some ex monkeys, Ramm and GT  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2009, 10:23:39 PM
Why didn't they ever show any of those photos of Joran passed out in the newspapers?  Was it because he was white, male or a judge's son?  Was he setting a good example for the children?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 10:27:23 PM
Rumor has it there's some trouble in paradise (BFN) between some ex monkeys, Ramm and GT  ::MonkeyCool::

Tell it, tell it, tell it, .....PLEASE!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 16, 2009, 10:30:14 PM
Rumor has it there's some trouble in paradise (BFN) between some ex monkeys, Ramm and GT  ::MonkeyCool::

Tell it, tell it, tell it, .....PLEASE!   ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox::
Please!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 10:40:40 PM
Why didn't they ever show any of those photos of Joran passed out in the newspapers?  Was it because he was white, male or a judge's son?  Was he setting a good example for the children?

All of the above + Dutch + Anita's delicious dahling "sporter".  JMO   ::MonkeyRoll::

 :smt091



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 10:41:11 PM
Paraphrasing:

CAT:  posts about corruption in the NL
BASTIBRO:  wants CAT to give examples
*******:  stands up for CAT
BASTIBRO & *******:  argue back and forth
RAMM:  shows up and argues in the defense of the NL
PITA and CLANCY and others - give RAMM the what for

GRANNY TOAD says:

Nope Ramm on this blog we don't use names like dumbpig for dompig, who's now an Aruban citizen, DUTCH, but like his nephews, born Surinamese.

You and I both know that ALL ARUBANS ARE DUTCH, are they not? It says so on their passports.

However some people are born Dutch, genetically Dutch. Like you are, and to a noticeable extent, myself as well. On Aruba that gets you power, Dutch Points and you damned well know it.

I dislike the propaganda you bring here, it's dishonest and we both know it. We here more appreciate straight talk.

We got enough AHATA BS from "scubajap" Rosalie Klein



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 10:51:59 PM


Go Granny Toad!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


I'm guessing that ******** and Bastibro aren't best buddies anymore?   ::MonkeyTease::

Maybe he doesn't need him anymore since he can't post here!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

JMO









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 10:54:56 PM


Thanks Klaas!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 16, 2009, 10:55:59 PM
Thanks Klaas! Go Granny Go  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 16, 2009, 10:57:14 PM
Good Evening...San, Anna and 13 Guests!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2009, 10:59:26 PM
Kudos to Granny Toad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:01:06 PM
Good Evening...San, Anna and 13 Guests!  ::MonkeySlide::

Hi hotping.

This is for GT  ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2009, 11:08:16 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 11:17:41 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

Nothing will happen Anna.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:19:32 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

Nothing will happen Anna.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2009, 11:20:32 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

Nothing will happen Anna.

Which will say a great deal, won't it? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:21:43 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

You were not allowed to take the spotlight off Debbie.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:22:43 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

Nothing will happen Anna.

Which will say a great deal, won't it? 

Yes it will.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 16, 2009, 11:29:17 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it!  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:31:08 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 11:34:16 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.

No seriously.  Someone would say, I remember a photo of this or that.  I'd happen to have the photo so I'd post it. Debbie would come back with some snide comment.  I'd say to myself wtf?   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 16, 2009, 11:45:55 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.

No seriously.  Someone would say, I remember a photo of this or that.  I'd happen to have the photo so I'd post it. Debbie would come back with some snide comment.  I'd say to myself wtf?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I stopped posting there for a reason.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 11:48:39 PM
From ArubaToday:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ArubaToday081509.jpg)

New attire:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/pvdszipper.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 16, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
I do apologize for the really discustingly creepy picture of PVDS.  What a perv he is.  He makes me sick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 16, 2009, 11:51:45 PM
From ArubaToday:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ArubaToday081509.jpg)

New attire:


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/pvdszipper.gif)

OMG...LMAO!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 16, 2009, 11:53:24 PM
It's just as hot and muggy in the deep South as in Aruba and the lawmakers manage to wear normal clothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 16, 2009, 11:56:36 PM
I do apologize for the really discustingly creepy picture of PVDS.  What a perv he is.  He makes me sick.
Yes... He is Very Disgusting but then again so is His So Called Better Half!  :pukel: They Deserve Each Other!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:03:34 AM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.

No seriously.  Someone would say, I remember a photo of this or that.  I'd happen to have the photo so I'd post it. Debbie would come back with some snide comment.  I'd say to myself wtf?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I was being serious.  Jealousy is an evil green monster that shows it's face in many forms...

She made a snide comment or two to me too, but only after the Dark lard returned and his flock followed.  I'd never really had any problems there before that.  One of her comments to me was that SS was correct about something she posted (that I'd said she had confused), when in fact she wasn't correct and had it confused with something else as usual.  I just thought to myself....ooooo. kkkkkkkk. whatever!

I know I was really shocked when I got a "notice" showing my IP address, the time, and the thread name that I had "printed".  When I asked if that was a problem.  Debbie said only if I planned on bringing it back here.  Imagine that!  Especially since it was their own BASH SM thread, after she'd told me she would not allow the forum wars to continue there.
 
 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 17, 2009, 12:07:11 AM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.

No seriously.  Someone would say, I remember a photo of this or that.  I'd happen to have the photo so I'd post it. Debbie would come back with some snide comment.  I'd say to myself wtf?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I was being serious.  Jealousy is an evil green monster that shows it's face in many forms...

She made a snide comment or two to me too, but only after the Dark lard returned and his flock followed.  I'd never really had any problems there before that.  One of her comments to me was that SS was correct about something she posted (that I'd said she had confused), when in fact she wasn't correct and had it confused with something else as usual.  I just thought to myself....ooooo. kkkkkkkk. whatever!

I know I was really shocked when I got a "notice" showing my IP address, the time, and the thread name that I had "printed".  When I asked if that was a problem.  Debbie said only if I planned on bringing it back here.  Imagine that!  Especially since it was their own BASH SM thread, after she'd told me she would not allow the forum wars to continue there.
 
 ::MonkeyDevil::


So true.  Sometimes I wonder.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2009, 12:08:00 AM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.

She's just bitterly jealous of you Klaas, that's all there is to it! 

Exactly.

No seriously.  Someone would say, I remember a photo of this or that.  I'd happen to have the photo so I'd post it. Debbie would come back with some snide comment.  I'd say to myself wtf?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I was being serious.  Jealousy is an evil green monster that shows it's face in many forms...

She made a snide comment or two to me too, but only after the Dark lard returned and his flock followed.  I'd never really had any problems there before that.  One of her comments to me was that SS was correct about something she posted (that I'd said she had confused), when in fact she wasn't correct and had it confused with something else as usual.  I just thought to myself....ooooo. kkkkkkkk. whatever!

I know I was really shocked when I got a "notice" showing my IP address, the time, and the thread name that I had "printed".  When I asked if that was a problem.  Debbie said only if I planned on bringing it back here.  Imagine that!  Especially since it was their own BASH SM thread, after she'd told me she would not allow the forum wars to continue there.
 
 ::MonkeyDevil::



 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 17, 2009, 12:12:14 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:13:58 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 17, 2009, 12:14:11 AM
Hello Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 17, 2009, 12:16:20 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom.....
Just waiting for the tick to tock..... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm patient...kind of....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:21:12 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom.....
Just waiting for the tick to tock..... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm patient...kind of....


I'm waiting too billb, but as you know I'm not patient...not even sort of!  But until then I'll keep myself busy with the newspapers, or finding familiar faces in the club pictures, or digging for anything else that comes to mind!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2009, 12:22:17 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/8/#jc_allComments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Dos turista perdi band'i Conchi     
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48 
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com a ricibi informe cu lo tin dos turista perdi na Shete direccion Conchi. Te awor aki, no sa di e paradero di e dos turistanan aki. Autoridadnan competente a wordo poni na altura y na momentonan aki un buskeda ta ser haci pa asina haya e turistanan aki. Aki rato nos lo trece mas informe riba e caso aki...
 

Through translator:

two tourist perdi band\'i conchi

sunday, 16 august 2009 - 21:48

for of nightfall end, 24ora.com owing to ricibi informe cu will have two tourist perdi at seven direccion conchi. till now here, not know of the paradero of the two turistanan here. autoridadnan competente owing to wordo poni at height y at momentonan here one buskeda is being haci for so achieve the turistanan here. here rato we will trece more informe on the caso here... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 12:25:41 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/8/#jc_allComments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Dos turista perdi band'i Conchi     
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48 
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com a ricibi informe cu lo tin dos turista perdi na Shete direccion Conchi. Te awor aki, no sa di e paradero di e dos turistanan aki. Autoridadnan competente a wordo poni na altura y na momentonan aki un buskeda ta ser haci pa asina haya e turistanan aki. Aki rato nos lo trece mas informe riba e caso aki...
 

Through translator:

two tourist perdi band\'i conchi

sunday, 16 august 2009 - 21:48

for of nightfall end, 24ora.com owing to ricibi informe cu will have two tourist perdi at seven direccion conchi. till now here, not know of the paradero of the two turistanan here. autoridadnan competente owing to wordo poni at height y at momentonan here one buskeda is being haci for so achieve the turistanan here. here rato we will trece more informe on the caso here... come across

OK.... Can Someone please tell Me what it says.....Pretty Please with Sugar on Top!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 17, 2009, 12:26:08 AM
Something about 2 tourists, LOLOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:26:55 AM
Something about 2 tourists, LOLOL

I think perdi may mean "lost".


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 17, 2009, 12:29:36 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom.....
Just waiting for the tick to tock..... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm patient...kind of....


I'm waiting too billb, but as you know I'm not patient...not even sort of!  But until then I'll keep myself busy with the newspapers, or finding familiar faces in the club pictures, or digging for anything else that comes to mind!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love seeing all the articles, pictures, etc you come up with...
Most always it exposes things that make you want to go.... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Surely civilized communities can't be that screwed up......but than again, it's aruba and their incestuous clan.... THEY ARE that fuked up.........pardon my french if you please ::MonkeyCool::
Unbelievable.. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 12:32:00 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/8/#jc_allComments

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

Dos turista perdi band'i Conchi     
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48 
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com a ricibi informe cu lo tin dos turista perdi na Shete direccion Conchi. Te awor aki, no sa di e paradero di e dos turistanan aki. Autoridadnan competente a wordo poni na altura y na momentonan aki un buskeda ta ser haci pa asina haya e turistanan aki. Aki rato nos lo trece mas informe riba e caso aki...
 

Through translator:

two tourist perdi band\'i conchi

sunday, 16 august 2009 - 21:48

for of nightfall end, 24ora.com owing to ricibi informe cu will have two tourist perdi at seven direccion conchi. till now here, not know of the paradero of the two turistanan here. autoridadnan competente owing to wordo poni at height y at momentonan here one buskeda is being haci for so achieve the turistanan here. here rato we will trece more informe on the caso here... come across

Translation: Spanish » English
Dos turista perdi band'i Conchi     
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48 
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com a ricibi informe cu lo tin dos turista perdi na Shete direccion Conchi. Te awor aki, no sa di e paradero di e dos turistanan aki. Autoridadnan competente a wordo poni na altura y na momentonan aki un buskeda ta ser haci pa asina haya e turistanan aki. Aki rato nos lo trece mas informe riba e caso aki...
   Two tourists missing band'i Conchi
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com to ricibi report cu the tourists lost two tin na Shete Conchi direction. Te awor aki, e non sa di di fate e aki turistanan two. Autoridadnan competent word pony height na na aki momentonan be towards a buskeda ta pa e turistanan has asino aki. Aki us while thirteen more cases and report aki riba ... 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:34:18 AM
Something about 2 tourists, LOLOL

I think perdi may mean "lost".

Video of Conchi.  

http://www.youtube.com/v/poxKciaIsqU&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 12:34:42 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom.....
Just waiting for the tick to tock..... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm patient...kind of....


I'm waiting too billb, but as you know I'm not patient...not even sort of!  But until then I'll keep myself busy with the newspapers, or finding familiar faces in the club pictures, or digging for anything else that comes to mind!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love seeing all the articles, pictures, etc you come up with...
Most always it exposes things that make you want to go.... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Surely civilized communities can't be that screwed up......but than again, it's aruba and their incestuous clan.... THEY ARE that fuked up.........pardon my french if you please ::MonkeyCool::
Unbelievable.. ::MonkeyShocked::
I totally agree billb...They are fuked up!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:36:46 AM
GT rocks....give em hell...granny toad ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyCool::

Hi billb!   ::MonkeyCool::
Hi Texasmom.....
Just waiting for the tick to tock..... ::MonkeyCool::
I'm patient...kind of....


I'm waiting too billb, but as you know I'm not patient...not even sort of!  But until then I'll keep myself busy with the newspapers, or finding familiar faces in the club pictures, or digging for anything else that comes to mind!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I love seeing all the articles, pictures, etc you come up with...
Most always it exposes things that make you want to go.... ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::
Surely civilized communities can't be that screwed up......but than again, it's aruba and their incestuous clan.... THEY ARE that fuked up.........pardon my french if you please ::MonkeyCool::
Unbelievable.. ::MonkeyShocked::

I agree billb, and as many articles as I've read it STILL never ceases to amaze me just how bad it really is.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 12:39:04 AM
Thanks TM and Klaas!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2009, 12:43:31 AM
If it's "breaking news" and about a tourist in Aruba, it's always bad.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe somebody ran them over with a boat again.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2009, 12:46:22 AM
TM, I didn't even know they had a thread for bashing SM at BFN!  Thought that was not allowed there, etc.  People never cease to amaze me.  Quite a collection they now have so it is no surprise they will argue. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:47:06 AM
If it's "breaking news" and about a tourist in Aruba, it's always bad.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe somebody ran them over with a boat again.

It does seem that the bulletin came awfully late in the evening if they were swimming!   ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 12:53:15 AM
If it's "breaking news" and about a tourist in Aruba, it's always bad.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Maybe somebody ran them over with a boat again.

It does seem that the bulletin came awfully late in the evening if they were swimming!   ::MonkeyShocked::
That's what I thought too!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 12:59:03 AM
TM, I didn't even know they had a thread for bashing SM at BFN!  Thought that was not allowed there, etc.  People never cease to amaze me.  Quite a collection they now have so it is no surprise they will argue. 

Yes, they did.  It was titled something else, but that's what it was...NO DOUBT.
It comes and goes, meaning it was there, went poof, was back, went poof...last I heard it was back.

There was always maybe a comment here or there, but I'd never seen anything like that at BFN either until that thread.  Considering who did the most ranting and whining, I can guess where the encouragement for it came from.  You know who, and his flock.  Debbie seemed to be very taken with all of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 01:15:53 AM
I forget what Debbie's actual title is with the foundation but,that being said,something is terribly wrong if Dave Holloway has her full trust...JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2009, 01:31:22 AM
If Kyle Kingman didn't say all those things that have been posted as said by him, I have to wonder why someone didn't challenge that he said it.  Or why he didn't.  Since that didn't happen, it would seem he did say them and that is unacceptable to some people.  I would never be satisfied with ALE being given exclusive access to evidence of any sort.

Same for Capslockwizard.  If all that garbage he was posting was true, where are the remains?

I don't think either of those two things are SM's fault so not sure why they want to blame us for just saying what happened.

I don't get it.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 01:32:35 AM
I forget what Debbie's actual title is with the foundation but,that being said,something is terribly wrong if Dave Holloway has her full trust...JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know what her position is with the foundation.  This is a front page post from BFN from Feb. 2007.   

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2007/02/16/natalee-holloway-foundation/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY FOUNDATION

February 16th, 2007 by Debbie in Missing People, Natalee's Family

We are now approaching two years since the disappearance of our daughter, Natalee Holloway. I expect there will be many new developments in our case, prior to May 30th 2007. I continue to remain positive and confident there will soon be resolution.

During this brief pause, I want to express my great appreciation for the tremendous support of the many dedicated persons who have provided untold time and effort to our cause.

Over the past year, several individuals and myself developed a non-profit organization. The primary purpose of this foundation is to assist other families that need assistance in location and/or recovery of missing/endangered family members.

Although we are committed to seeking justice and resolution for our daughter, we also desire to reach out and assist others who are also in dire need of assistance and support. We are all here to help.

For more information, please contact Debbie or our website at nataleehollowayfoundation.net.

Again, thanks for all your kindness and support. We need everyone’s input and support to help this organization grow.

Thank you!

Dave, Robin and the Board of Directors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/misc2/web1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 01:37:11 AM
I forget what Debbie's actual title is with the foundation but,that being said,something is terribly wrong if Dave Holloway has her full trust...JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know what her position is with the foundation.  This is a front page post from BFN from Feb. 2007.   

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2007/02/16/natalee-holloway-foundation/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY FOUNDATION

February 16th, 2007 by Debbie in Missing People, Natalee's Family

We are now approaching two years since the disappearance of our daughter, Natalee Holloway. I expect there will be many new developments in our case, prior to May 30th 2007. I continue to remain positive and confident there will soon be resolution.

During this brief pause, I want to express my great appreciation for the tremendous support of the many dedicated persons who have provided untold time and effort to our cause.

Over the past year, several individuals and myself developed a non-profit organization. The primary purpose of this foundation is to assist other families that need assistance in location and/or recovery of missing/endangered family members.

Although we are committed to seeking justice and resolution for our daughter, we also desire to reach out and assist others who are also in dire need of assistance and support. We are all here to help.

For more information, please contact Debbie or our website at nataleehollowayfoundation.net.

Again, thanks for all your kindness and support. We need everyone’s input and support to help this organization grow.

Thank you!

Dave, Robin and the Board of Directors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/misc2/web1.jpg)

Maybe that didn't come out right.I don't see how Debbie would have Dave's full trust!Especially after all that has been revealed.Hope that makes more sense now?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 01:40:00 AM
To Paulus,The Perps,the disinformation specialists as well as the American traitors

JUSTICE IS COMING...SUCKS TO BE YOU! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 01:40:10 AM
More information here about the foundation if anyone's interested.

http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/PubApps/showVals.php?ft=bmf&ein=204097157


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 01:42:19 AM
I forget what Debbie's actual title is with the foundation but,that being said,something is terribly wrong if Dave Holloway has her full trust...JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know what her position is with the foundation.  This is a front page post from BFN from Feb. 2007.   

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2007/02/16/natalee-holloway-foundation/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY FOUNDATION

February 16th, 2007 by Debbie in Missing People, Natalee's Family

We are now approaching two years since the disappearance of our daughter, Natalee Holloway. I expect there will be many new developments in our case, prior to May 30th 2007. I continue to remain positive and confident there will soon be resolution.

During this brief pause, I want to express my great appreciation for the tremendous support of the many dedicated persons who have provided untold time and effort to our cause.

Over the past year, several individuals and myself developed a non-profit organization. The primary purpose of this foundation is to assist other families that need assistance in location and/or recovery of missing/endangered family members.

Although we are committed to seeking justice and resolution for our daughter, we also desire to reach out and assist others who are also in dire need of assistance and support. We are all here to help.

For more information, please contact Debbie or our website at nataleehollowayfoundation.net.

Again, thanks for all your kindness and support. We need everyone’s input and support to help this organization grow.

Thank you!

Dave, Robin and the Board of Directors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/misc2/web1.jpg)

Maybe that didn't come out right.I don't see how Debbie would have Dave's full trust!Especially after all that has been revealed.Hope that makes more sense now?

I know what you mean KTF.  But I also know that a lot of people have been trusted that shouldn't have been, so I really don't know what to say about it.  I'm at a loss for words, it's just really sad.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 01:43:37 AM
To Paulus,The Perps,the disinformation specialists as well as the American traitors

JUSTICE IS COMING...SUCKS TO BE YOU! ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 01:45:05 AM
Thank You TM for the Foundation Information.....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 01:47:29 AM
I forget what Debbie's actual title is with the foundation but,that being said,something is terribly wrong if Dave Holloway has her full trust...JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::

I don't know what her position is with the foundation.  This is a front page post from BFN from Feb. 2007.   

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2007/02/16/natalee-holloway-foundation/

NATALEE HOLLOWAY FOUNDATION

February 16th, 2007 by Debbie in Missing People, Natalee's Family

We are now approaching two years since the disappearance of our daughter, Natalee Holloway. I expect there will be many new developments in our case, prior to May 30th 2007. I continue to remain positive and confident there will soon be resolution.

During this brief pause, I want to express my great appreciation for the tremendous support of the many dedicated persons who have provided untold time and effort to our cause.

Over the past year, several individuals and myself developed a non-profit organization. The primary purpose of this foundation is to assist other families that need assistance in location and/or recovery of missing/endangered family members.

Although we are committed to seeking justice and resolution for our daughter, we also desire to reach out and assist others who are also in dire need of assistance and support. We are all here to help.

For more information, please contact Debbie or our website at nataleehollowayfoundation.net.

Again, thanks for all your kindness and support. We need everyone’s input and support to help this organization grow.

Thank you!

Dave, Robin and the Board of Directors

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b125/Debzie_/misc2/web1.jpg)

Maybe that didn't come out right.I don't see how Debbie would have Dave's full trust!Especially after all that has been revealed.Hope that makes more sense now?

I know what you mean KTF.  But I also know that a lot of people have been trusted that shouldn't have been, so I really don't know what to say about it.  I'm at a loss for words, it's just really sad.

 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I will hold out hope for Dave Holloway and only Dave.Logic currently is telling me something is not right.For what it's worth!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 01:50:18 AM
KTF....I'm about to leave You a message in the oil thread.....  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2009, 01:53:19 AM
Well, in Natalee's absence I am here primarily for  Beth.  I do believe in her and her intentions.  Can't speak for anybody else but I continue to believe that she has done her best to bring about justice for her child.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 02:15:32 AM



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 02:16:21 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 02:16:58 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 02:20:32 AM



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 17, 2009, 02:21:45 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 02:22:25 AM


Good night Monkeys!   ::MonkeyCool::
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 17, 2009, 08:48:01 AM
Well that's just the biggest JOKE I've heard yet from that rock!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

So he was hired by AHATA, where he works closely with Rob Smith, Breisen, etc.


8/14/2009 Solo di Pueblo Page 8

http://solodipueblo.com/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=32&Itemid=2

Well now, isn't that special....Paul Gielen, Chairman Search Committee  ::MonkeyRoll::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 17, 2009, 08:55:07 AM

This is an important admission.  FINALLY.  And from the Prosecutor's office no less.

Not sure if the Amigoe translated version of this Valero article has already been posted or not:

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61029.php

Extensive swindle at Valero
14 Aug, 2009, 13:09 (GMT -04:00)



SAN NICOLAS — An extensive swindle has been detected at the oil refinery of Valero. The amount of money involved is unknown yet, but according to unconfirmed sources, it concerns many millions. From the US, spokesperson Bill Day confirmed to the Amigoe that they are taking the matter very seriously, “but the FB I has not been put on the case”, according to Day in reaction to reports in the Papiamento-speaking media that the American Federal Bureau of Investigation is investigating this.

Meanwhile, this newspaper is informed that a manager of the maintenance department had been fired on the spot because of irregularities. In first instance, Day did not wish to confirm or deny that an investigation on fraud was being carried out. “We never comment on internal affairs.”
After this newspaper had announced that they had already received a confirmation of the fraud-investigation from reliable resources, he said, “We are taking this very serious”. The editorial office did not receive a confirmation whether the dismissed manager A.H. was also directly involved with the fraud. However, it is clear that he was not the only one who had been fired on the spot. Supposedly, another managerial employee who was with sick leave, had been dismissed as well. The fraud was supposedly committed through the purchase of spare parts or in the contracting-out to local companies. Supposedly, contractors paid Valero co-workers sums under the counter so they could rake in lucrative contracts. Presumably, spare parts had also been ordered in the United States. However, as these never arrived at Valero, they were probably sold by fraudulent co-workers who also swindled the money.

The fraud at Valero was not reported, spokeswoman Ann Angela of the Public Prosecutor (OM) announced. “Officially we are not informed of anything, also not of a foreign investigation service investigating the case. What we know, is what we’ve learned from the newspaper.” If the FBI or another foreign investigation organization wants to carry out an investigation on Aruba, they will have to announce such to the Public Prosecutor in advance. As Attorney-General Rob Pietersz mentioned earlier in this newspaper, this matter will be observed more closely after having experienced that the Natalee Holloway-case was dealt with too easily.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 17, 2009, 08:59:53 AM
Rumor has it there's some trouble in paradise (BFN) between some ex monkeys, Ramm and GT  ::MonkeyCool::

Naw!  Say it ain't so!!!  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 17, 2009, 11:19:27 AM
Good morning.  While it's quiet, here is the link to Natalee's candles. 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 17, 2009, 01:51:38 PM
2NJSons_Mom, BoxerDawg and 3 Guests

Hi, BoxerDawg & 3 guests.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 17, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
Good morning.  While it's quiet, here is the link to Natalee's candles. 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks for the reminder.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 17, 2009, 05:44:22 PM
Good morning.  While it's quiet, here is the link to Natalee's candles. 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.msg878415#msg878415

Thanks 2NJ for the reminder.  I just did.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blonde on August 17, 2009, 07:23:30 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.
All I did was show up and I was banned that very same day.

But boy did she let them bash me about the body in the bag picture . She thought is was very funny until Art Wood emailed her to tell her, I was working with him.

I have NO respect for her.
It's not about Natalee for her


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.
All I did was show up and I was banned that very same day.

But boy did she let them bash me about the body in the bag picture . She thought is was very funny until Art Wood emailed her to tell her, I was working with him.

I have NO respect for her.
It's not about Natalee for her


I feel the same.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 17, 2009, 08:14:17 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.
All I did was show up and I was banned that very same day.

But boy did she let them bash me about the body in the bag picture . She thought is was very funny until Art Wood emailed her to tell her, I was working with him.

I have NO respect for her.
It's not about Natalee for her  


I agree.  This is why I said last night "Sometimes I wonder."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 08:39:38 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.
All I did was show up and I was banned that very same day.

But boy did she let them bash me about the body in the bag picture . She thought is was very funny until Art Wood emailed her to tell her, I was working with him.

I have NO respect for her.
It's not about Natalee for her  


I agree.  This is why I said last night "Sometimes I wonder."

Thanks San, I was wondering what you meant by that.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 17, 2009, 08:45:19 PM
Well, that's certainly more than many of us ever did who were banned from there so should be interesting to see what happens.

I used to get in trouble with Debbie at BFN when I simply responded in a nice way to others.  It seems there were certain people at BFN I was not allowed to respond to.  So I just quit posting there.
All I did was show up and I was banned that very same day.

But boy did she let them bash me about the body in the bag picture . She thought is was very funny until Art Wood emailed her to tell her, I was working with him.

I have NO respect for her.
It's not about Natalee for her  


I agree.  This is why I said last night "Sometimes I wonder."

Thanks San, I was wondering what you meant by that.   ::MonkeyWink::

Yeah TM I didn't want to start but I have been wondering for a long time now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kat_Gram on August 17, 2009, 09:45:32 PM
Well, in Natalee's absence I am here primarily for  Beth.  I do believe in her and her intentions.  Can't speak for anybody else but I continue to believe that she has done her best to bring about justice for her child.
Anna, I agree 100 % with you. I did doubt Beth at one point, and that was because I used to read at Riehl World View before I was banned. I went after some guy who has been saying some fairly horrid things about Natalee and presto gizmo, I was banned,he wasn't. Go figure. I know what set me off about Beth and that was that she was going to market a Natalee dolly. This was when I was a baby when it came to posting on blogs and when I was that baby, I would read that kind of nonsense and believe it. What a vile place that site turned into. I think that Dan set up that blog as a political blog and then it turned into something he never intended it to be.
..
Anyway, this is kind of a post and run, I have to run down the street and look after DD's cat. He is alone waa waa waa and I promised to go there every night for about an hour, bring the mail it and feed and pet the cat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 09:56:55 PM
8/17/2009 Bondia

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http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4836&Itemid=1

Papiamentu translation:

buskeda for curpa cu owing to being see is drief in sea at mouth catalina

monday, 17 august 2009

mouth catalina- saturday for near of 2.30 of nightfall, polisnan owing to wordo notifica cu some witness, will owing to see one curpa is drief in sea below ; the barancanan at mouth catalina. at once owing to dirigi tanto patruye of police y because; seccion of kustwacht for her sitio y after of one rato, they're tell cu enberdad they're see algo cu is seems one curpa, but not can confirma this. the sea in the oranan was much bruto y the curpa will was coloca much below ; the baranca, in the spelonk cu have eynan, y hour cu they owing to ripara cu was mucho riesgoso for enter eybou, they owing to stop the buskeda till hour cu the sea descend. yesterday diadomingo during day, had one boat of police was controla the luga but the situation still not was apto for let one buceador enter below ; the baranca for see kico have. the caso is follow below ; investigacion already cu some person is talk of curpa while cu others is talk of one cadaver, esta one curpa cu already will had hipi time at the sitio, then one cadaver. autoridadnan is follow atende cu the caso here of serca y see if they can succeed determina if enberdad have one curpa below ; the barancanan at mouth cat alina. come across

Story from Saturday at 24ora...updated version

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11130/8/

children will owing to see one curpa bao baranca

saturday, 15 august 2009 - 17:10

saturday nightfall personal of strand politie y one unidad maritimo of guarda costa owing to wordo mobilisa for mouth catalina. according informe one child will have to owing to become algo cu according the will have to is one curpa cu do not actuate. click read more for more info y more imagen! updated. the curpa will is bao of the barancanan of mouth catalina. at once owing to try cu snorkel for bay see more of close bao of the barancanan. this not was have result for can identifica if provided that berdad is deal here of one curpa of one person. at dado instant guarda costa owing to avisa police cu they not can follow busca debi cu lama was enough high y the will is dangerous for follow busca bao of the barancanan. more night will go back for see if the lama can owing to descend for so the is more assure for can busca bao of the barancanan. come across

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08152009_24ora_BocaCatalina_1.jpg)

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I've been reading about 3 adults and a two year old boy that are still missing after their boat sank off the coast of the Isle of Margarita.  I just read today that the study of the currents could have put them near Bonaire or Aruba.  I pray that this is not one of them.  It's a very sad story.  Two other adults that were also on board decided to swim for help.  After 14 hours they were rescued by fishermen, and they're o.k.  There has been a massive search effort for those that are still missing, but no sign of them.  The boat sank on the 24th or 25th of July.

If anyone's interested, some of the story is here...and I've added some other links that I found last night.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11172/5/

(I tried tinyurl...wouldn't work on either one)   ::MonkeyConfused::

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.noticias24.com/actualidad/noticia/69642/naufragan-seis-personas-en-alta-mar/&ei=55mHSp7eMoantgfz89XnDA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=7&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Danila%2BFigueroa%2522%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.lanacion.com.ve/noticias.php%3FIdArticulo%3D122413%26XR%3D2&ei=55mHSp7eMoantgfz89XnDA&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=8&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Danila%2BFigueroa%2522%26hl%3Den

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.noticierodigital.com/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D7964799%26sid%3D5a2240f09835012e33b8aee0be5d2ffa&ei=NwiKSvWWB5D0NaeRgLsP&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=9&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Danila%2BFigueroa%2522%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1C1RNCN_enUS339US339

This is a youtube from a link that the husband of Danilo Figueroa Bernardinello that was uploaded just a few days before their disappearance.  The adults that you see right away are the ones that are missing, the little boy (asleep maybe?) can be seen right when the video starts.

PaseoLancha19Julio2009 032

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bgDO2XbEAI



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 10:16:44 PM
I goofed on my sentence about the youtube, the husband posted a link to her youtube page and that's where I found it.

These are the pictures of those missing, from the article in 24ora.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11172/5/

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 10:21:28 PM
No update that I can find on the two tourists "lost" at Conchi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/1/

But an interesting comment posted today:

Comentarionan (1) >>   
Mustra/Kita comentarionan
Quote
0031 said: 


    Holloway Part II ?
August 17, 2009


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 10:47:47 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08172009BondiaFrontPage_Valero.jpg)

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4837&Itemid=1

ehecutivonan of valero owing to arrive for atende fraude of $5 miyon

monday, 17 august 2009

san nicolas- while cu gerentenan of valero does not give informacion on the caso of fraude at the refineria of aruba, good morning aruba owing to follow compila informacionnan, cu is show cu the situation is birando day for day more earnest.

in end of week owing to arrive aruba some ehecutivo high of valero at merca, caminda today they will reuni cu trahadornan in servicio still of valero, while cu owing to send calling one ehecutivo high of the compania trahando at merca, for her come presencia the meeting of today morning.

also two of the probabel sospechosonan cu will is meti in the fraude miyonario, already do not in servicio more of the refineria caminda one of the figuranan top here, will owing to go work for one compania of gobierno.

at the momentonan here do not good for divulga none name already cu still not have confirmacion of the envolvimento of esnan cu is wordo menciona at the momentonan here, in the fraude here.

at self instant also good morning aruba owing to wordo informa cu practicamente all tanki in the refineria owing to being haci clean y the trabounan of mantencion on esakinan owing to stay cla.

sinembargo still not have indicacion kico valero is go haci but all cos is indica cu the compania at the momentonan here, does not follow negocia cu the actual gobierno at command.

this not can owing to being confirma yesterday but in proximo dianan will deal achieve more informacion on the posicion of valero y kico is pasando at the momentonan here, for thing is future of the refineria at aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 17, 2009, 10:58:40 PM
No update that I can find on the two tourists "lost" at Conchi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/1/

But an interesting comment posted today:

Comentarionan (1) >>   
Mustra/Kita comentarionan
Quote
0031 said: 

    Holloway Part II ?
August 17, 2009

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Maybe they didn't get the memo....PART 1 IS NOT OVER!   ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
No update that I can find on the two tourists "lost" at Conchi.

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/1/

But an interesting comment posted today:

Comentarionan (1) >>   
Mustra/Kita comentarionan
Quote
0031 said: 

    Holloway Part II ?
August 17, 2009

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Maybe they didn't get the memo....PART 1 IS NOT OVER!   ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::
Nope its not Over.....Not By Far.....  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 17, 2009, 11:06:19 PM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 18, 2009, 12:05:40 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, we have and some rains the past few weeks. We're out of the drought!!! Have you gotten any? I've been thinking about your area and saw a special on the news. It really is a bad drought in Texas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 12:15:56 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, we have and some rains the past few weeks. We're out of the drought!!! Have you gotten any? I've been thinking about your area and saw a special on the news. It really is a bad drought in Texas.
No rain Here...in a couple of weeks....We have had .02 of an inch this month and about 1-1/4 inch last month...Its pretty scary.....I need to see if Magnolia will do another rain dance for Us...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I'm glad to hear that You are out of the drought....  ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 18, 2009, 12:45:49 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, we have and some rains the past few weeks. We're out of the drought!!! Have you gotten any? I've been thinking about your area and saw a special on the news. It really is a bad drought in Texas.
No rain Here...in a couple of weeks....We have had .02 of an inch this month and about 1-1/4 inch last month...Its pretty scary.....I need to see if Magnolia will do another rain dance for Us...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I'm glad to hear that You are out of the drought....  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Had to let the dogs out.  ::MonkeyJnBox::  Where's the night crew for justice for Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 12:53:32 AM
Present!  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 12:54:39 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, we have and some rains the past few weeks. We're out of the drought!!! Have you gotten any? I've been thinking about your area and saw a special on the news. It really is a bad drought in Texas.
No rain Here...in a couple of weeks....We have had .02 of an inch this month and about 1-1/4 inch last month...Its pretty scary.....I need to see if Magnolia will do another rain dance for Us...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I'm glad to hear that You are out of the drought....  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Had to let the dogs out.  ::MonkeyJnBox::  Where's the night crew for justice for Natalee?

Here for the moment Cajun!Busy workin the clock..TICK_TOCK.Justice always has it's time,don't cha know... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 12:55:41 AM
Hi Cajun Miracle...Did Ya get any rain from Claudette?  ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, we have and some rains the past few weeks. We're out of the drought!!! Have you gotten any? I've been thinking about your area and saw a special on the news. It really is a bad drought in Texas.
No rain Here...in a couple of weeks....We have had .02 of an inch this month and about 1-1/4 inch last month...Its pretty scary.....I need to see if Magnolia will do another rain dance for Us...lol  ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink:: I'm glad to hear that You are out of the drought....  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Had to let the dogs out.  ::MonkeyJnBox::  Where's the night crew for justice for Natalee?

Present!   ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::

We had about a foot of rain, the week I was on vacation!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

No complaints here, we needed it.  It already seems really dry again!  It's been so hot, all of the moisture is gone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 12:56:12 AM
Just got done postin and i got two suprises...

HOTPING  ::MonkeyJnBox:: & TexasMom  ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 12:58:14 AM
Just got done postin and i got two suprises...

HOTPING  ::MonkeyJnBox:: & TexasMom  ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease::

Hi KTF!  It's about time you got here!   ::MonkeyDevil::
 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 12:59:55 AM
Just got done postin and i got two suprises...

HOTPING  ::MonkeyJnBox:: & TexasMom  ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease::
  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 01:04:20 AM
OK now where are billb and Wreck?  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:04:42 AM
Just got done postin and i got two suprises...

HOTPING  ::MonkeyJnBox:: & TexasMom  ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease::
  ::MonkeyKiss::

 ::MonkeyShocked:: (for Janet)

 ::MonkeyDevil::  I hope she's having a blast! ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 01:05:43 AM
Hi Wreck!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:06:03 AM
OK now where are billb and Wreck?  ::MonkeyCheer3::

I saw wreck earlier, but he didn't post.  He's probably having a hard time being patient too!
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 01:06:18 AM
Just got done postin and i got two suprises...

HOTPING  ::MonkeyJnBox:: & TexasMom  ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTease::

1 more suprise...WRECK   ::MonkeyJnBox::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:06:50 AM


Good to see you wreck!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 01:08:24 AM
How much You want to bet one of the guests is billb and He will be here any minute?  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:09:23 AM

I think I saw Anna earlier too!  

Where's Magnolia?  Maybe she's got that boat loaded down with some blueberry wine making deliveries!  Don't forget about me Magnolia!  

 ::MonkeyWink::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 01:09:46 AM
How much You want to bet one of the guests is billb and He will be here any minute?  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Billb will come after each one of us shotgun's a STACK..Ya know how stackaholics are.. ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:11:12 AM
How much You want to bet one of the guests is billb and He will be here any minute?  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel::

billb?  In the rafters?   ::MonkeyTease::

Come on down billb!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:11:59 AM
How much You want to bet one of the guests is billb and He will be here any minute?  ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyGavel::

Billb will come after each one of us shotgun's a STACK..Ya know how stackaholics are.. ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:12:57 AM

okay, I'm being quiet till wreck says something!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 01:21:01 AM

okay, I'm being quiet till wreck says something!   ::MonkeyTongue::
Uh Oh Looks like Wreck left...TM!  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:22:19 AM

okay, I'm being quiet till wreck says something!   ::MonkeyTongue::
Uh Oh Looks like Wreck left...TM!  ::MonkeyShocked::

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 18, 2009, 01:22:44 AM
I hate to say it but... I have to leave good company...I've got diggin to do! See You All Later!

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 01:23:45 AM
I hate to say it but... I have to leave good company...I've got diggin to do! See You All Later!

 ::MonkeySlide::

GoodNight HotPing. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:23:58 AM
I hate to say it but... I have to leave good company...I've got diggin to do! See You All Later!

 ::MonkeySlide::

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 18, 2009, 01:36:14 AM
Keepthefaith, San and 2 Guests..

I must bid adeu to all you wondeful Monkey's.. ::MonkeyBike::


GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS 

KTF

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:41:23 AM
Keepthefaith, San and 2 Guests..

I must bid adeu to all you wondeful Monkey's.. ::MonkeyBike::


GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS 

KTF

 ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 01:44:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 09:25:09 AM
Good morning........well, isn't this special......

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116589.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 09:29:22 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2009, 09:48:38 AM
Good morning........well, isn't this special......

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116589.html

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73790



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 10:05:13 AM
Good morning........well, isn't this special......

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116589.html

http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=73790



I had posted an article a while back about the team making the series.  Not begrudging the kids for having made it, since my own played years ago.  ATA/AHATA will use them, obviously, for their own gain.  jmo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 18, 2009, 10:23:20 AM
In my local paper today..... O/T kinda, lol
http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116589.html

Couple has cookout for Aruba baseball team

HANCOCK, Maine — Down East met down south on Tuesday — way down south.
Albert and Barbara Harmon played host at a cookout for the Aruban baseball team from San Nicolas, their coaches and the family and friends traveling with them. The team is in Maine to compete in the Senior League World Series, which began Saturday in Bangor.

The Harmons greeted the 50 or so Arubans as friends, even though they had never met before.

The couple has been traveling to Aruba, an island in the southern Caribbean, twice a year since 1998 and have become very fond of the island and its people.

“They are the warmest, friendliest people in the world,” Albert Harmon said. “We just fell in love with the people.”

They put together the event by phone without ever meeting any of the team members or the adults.

“When we heard Aruba was going to be in the Senior League championships, we started calling friends to see if there was a way we could connect with them,” Barbara Harmon said.

They were put in touch with Ruth Melfor, the official scorer for the Aruban team and over the past two weeks, through a steady stream of phone calls, made arrangements for the get-together, which featured some Maine traditions such as red hot dogs, lobster rolls, and blueberry and strawberry desserts.

“It has been wonderful,” Melfor said. “Everything is nice, the people are nice.”

The team drove from Boston to Bangor, and Melfor said their first impression of Maine was that it was “chilly.” She claimed the team had brought the recent hot weather with them.

For many, this is their first trip to the U.S. “It’s a beautiful place,” said 16-year-old catcher Jair Bogaerts. “It’s big.”

Aruba is an island 20 miles long and 6 miles wide, and San Nicolas is the second-largest city on the island, a different atmosphere from the rural town of Hancock.

“It doesn’t take so long to get from one place to the next,” said coach Milton Croes, who with manager Gregory Manuel and coach Norman Silvania direct the 16-member team of 15- and 16-year-olds.

Croes had visited the U.S. before, in 1982, when he played in the Senior League World Series in Gary, Ind. The team from Aruba finished fifth that year, he said, and the team hopes to do better than that this year.

“After 27 years, to come back again, it’s very nice,” Croes said. “I can’t explain the feelings.”

He has been involved in Senior League baseball over the years, always hoping to bring a team to the championship.

“We’ve been so close to the championship,” Croes said. “We’re always fighting to bring the kids back here. To win would be a big boost for baseball in Aruba, for the kids and for the community on the island.”

The outing to the Harmons’ is the only sightseeing the team plans to do. Their focus is all on the games. “We didn’t come to see anything,” Bogaerts said. “We came to win the championship.”

The Arubans, who are the Latin American champions, were off to a good start and won their first game on Sunday, 8-4. The championship game is Saturday.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/116589.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2009, 10:35:49 AM
From the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil hearing on August 13, 2009.  Kay Skeeters filed an addendum as fees have increased:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhil081309a.jpg)

And it appears by the minutes filed that the judge has NOT made his ruling YET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhil081309minutes.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2009, 10:36:45 AM
NUT - tell me your name isn't Barbara Harmon  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 10:46:25 AM
NUT - tell me your name isn't Barbara Harmon  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes, and Nut, tell me you read my post, above.     ::MonkeyTease::     ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 18, 2009, 01:05:01 PM
Klaas - just trying to stay caught up here.

The judge did make an original ruling awarding her attorney's fees - correct?

He just hasn't yet ruled on the additional amount incurred by her - right?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 18, 2009, 02:27:22 PM
NUT - tell me your name isn't Barbara Harmon  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::

Yes, and Nut, tell me you read my post, above.     ::MonkeyTease::     ::MonkeyHaHa::

Klaas .....  no, lmao...I was embarrassed just to post it  ::MonkeyHaHa::
2NJ ........ no, lol
I opened the thread and clicked to make a post....... bad me, lol.  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 18, 2009, 03:07:25 PM
Klaas - just trying to stay caught up here.

The judge did make an original ruling awarding her attorney's fees - correct?

He just hasn't yet ruled on the additional amount incurred by her - right?

I'm not sure to be honest.  I need to go back and look.  I don't know if the judge ever made a ruling on awarding just that he was allowing the argument to be heard.  But I'm not sure.

Edit:  I believe the MOTION for attorneys fees was filed in July 2009.  The HEARING was August 13, 2009.  As of this morning the judges decision had not been made public on the LA Superior Courthouse website. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 05:23:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61142.php

Google translation:

False invoices Valero

18 Aug, 2009, 14:58 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - The fraudulent Valero Aruba refinery workers have other false invoices prepared with data from existing businesses. They both Aruban and American companies. Auditors of the headquarters of the American oil company is currently auditing the accounts, so Amigoe also encountered.

Through the mail received this newspaper and asked to respond on a payment of nearly 6,000 dollars to Valero Amigoe this year would have done. The money was transferred to a bank of JP Morgan Chase Bank, which was owned by a U.S. company Convergint Technologies. This company is not a client of Amigoe nor is ever amount to this newspaper account. From reliable sources within Valero Aruba, the editors received confirmation that this construction multiple times by the fraudulent employees have been applied.

Separately, there is also fraud in contracts with subcontractors. In addition to the already fired manager of the maintenance department, is now also a member of the same section of suspected fraud. The practices of a security officer JM are now examined.

Although Valero want nothing about the irregularities, the spokesman confirmed that they have the matter seriously. Moreover, a few months ago someone fired, allegedly because of fraud. Whether this is related to the research of today is not known.
 
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) left this morning on the radio to know that he knows nothing of the fraud. But he said last night a proposal by Petro China, one of the companies interested in taking over the refinery in San Nicolas. There would be almost consistent with the price, but do not have the legal details. Oduber said the positive finding that in addition to Petro China, two parties who want to buy the refinery and also own the necessary crude oil available.

The refinery itself strong rumors circulating that in September the last month is that Valero paid. This is not confirmed by the company itself.

Finally, says Prime Minister Oduber verdict expected today in the arbitration case that Valero had brought against the government because they pay BBO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 05:27:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61143.php

Edgar Maduro acquitted

18 Aug, 2009, 14:47 (GMT -04:00)

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The collision incident between Hendrik Croes and then Detective Edgar Maduro when officials strike led to the famous statement of chief officer Hans Mos that Croes' not just anyone would be. Striking officials were grateful of that decision.

ORANGE CITY ¬ Edgar Maduro policeman is acquitted on appeal. This happened this morning, after he made earlier by the Court of First Instance was declared guilty of making false declarations to a lawyer and former Minister of Justice Hendrik Croes. Croes would Maduro when officials strike on March 16, 2008 have hit during a demonstration at the roundabout Paradera. Both the incident and its aftermath were a lot of eyebrows. It led to the infamous decision of chief officer Hans Mos that Croes' not just somebody was after more and more pressure came from the trade union officials to arrest him. Croes was a day before on an expensive cruise holiday was arrested and brought to KIA. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber and a large group of MEP supporters were then demonstrating for his release. A few days later Croes was released and continued his cruise in Patagonia. In July last year Croes was acquitted for attempted manslaughter by driving after an accident and endangering the safety of traffic. Maduro was the same judge, guilty of making a false declaration.

13 witnesses lawsuit Maduro vs Croes

The Court in First Instance had Maduro initially to four months conditional, three years probation and 160 hours community service sentences. But preferably thirteen witnesses were heard during treatment. Maduro did not accept the verdict and lodged an appeal. During treatment yesterday by the interim Attorney-General Maduro inconsistencies in Edgar's story noted. Maduro Thus, instead of directly to the hospital to be lost after the incident, no problem walking and witnesses searched. Croes was at the time of the strike the government lawyer and Maduro was a member of the police union well have been aware of him who would have reason, in contrast to his statement that he did not know who the driver of the car was.

Maduro claim that he himself was the incident as an attack it. Croes would have hit him and then tried Maduro him out of the car to have run. If the collision on a straight road had been in place on a roundabout, then he had probably not survived. His lawyer, Edwin Duijn Field was a pity that the Public Ministry in many ways attempted to Hendrik Croes outside shot to keep. He was the declaration of Croes that he had not seen an agent for his car and stood him to stop Has strange. The indictment of the OM for false declaration is wrong, says the adviser. He could Maduro to make the declaration to have been aware of the fact that any unlawful act would be. In addition, the pump of thirteen witnesses to correct a clear picture as possible. The decision of chief officer Hans Mos during Croes' arrest that the lawyer "is not just someone" was a clear sign of preferential treatment by the OM says Duijn Field.

A rationale for the decision of the Court and a common reaction of the OM were at the time of this edition is not yet available. Maduro wants to be themselves no further legal action. Hendrik Croes has run a civil case against Maduro because of false accusation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 05:37:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61152.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Appeal Case Landslab postponed

18 Aug, 2009, 14:08 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Common Court of Justice at the request of the lawyers of Jacqueline Geerman and Yolanda Vrolijk examining the appeal of the Public Prosecutor (OM) in the National Laboratory Case postponed.

Yesterday afternoon and Vrolijk Geerman were made aware of the delay. Illes lawyer who inviel for his colleague David Kock, had indicated that a request was submitted to the Attorney-General to the witness told Campos Velazquez.

This witness, together with the deceased prime suspect Maiky Faro have been in the United States. That would have to Faro Campos Velazquez something have told about the past one million fraud at the Land Laboratory. Illes asked the Joint Court to this request yet to honor.

The interim PG had this curious to know what Campos Velazquez has to say and agreed to the request. The OM is an appeal against the verdict against Geerman and Vrolijk because it finds that the penalties have been too low.

The treatment of the appeal will take place on September 21 for two o'clock in the afternoon and possibly the following day.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61141.php

Google translation:

23 Year self-police

18 Aug, 2009, 13:55 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - A church service, parade and graduation ceremony for class agents, the Korps Politie Aruba (KPA) yesterday exuberantly celebrated his 23rd birthday. A special moment because the Corps 23 years ago made the transition from Dutch Antilles Police Corps to an independent organization. "The early years as an independent corps were not easy years," said chief Peter de Witte, which is based on the stories of several jubilarissen that 25 to even 40 years in service were.


More attention to successes police

"I think that more attention to the successes of the Aruba Police Corps often silently ignore," said White during the celebration of the 23-year existence of the Corps in San Nicolas.

As an example he cites the recent police action in the Kingdom Games where Aruba was host and the visit of the governor and ministers of the Netherlands Antilles as an example. According to the chief, the police often blame the crime on the island. "We will do our best to provide the Board and the Public Ministry to work together to prevent crime. Our core business is identifying the perpetrators of the crime. "

White explains that Aruba relatively high burden of robberies, but that to the probability of the offenders so far is very high. The solution rate of robberies in 2008 was almost 70 percent. Another example of a good success of the KPA is that both the General Service and the Research Services in 2007 and 2008 a substantial increase in production has been, according to De Witte. It is the KPA about 40 percent more criminal offenses and minutes submitted to the Public Ministry. The last success for the chief says that the latest recruit 183 people have applied for the job candidate agent.

Improvement
The KPA is also a big improvement path busy. The White is well respected the agreed timetable. "This is certainly no small achievement." Some projects in the improvement to be addressed are: provision of training for the barrio directors (beat) and their managers, requesting funding for establishment of the district posts for furniture and ICT, and five vehicles; formation and training of the ME group. There is a project submitted to custom armor for each colleague's. "We must all continue to sail to the growing crime in our society with the management and the Public Ministry to cope," says De Witte finally.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 05:57:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61142.php

Google translation:

False invoices Valero

18 Aug, 2009, 14:58 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - The fraudulent Valero Aruba refinery workers have other false invoices prepared with data from existing businesses. They both Aruban and American companies. Auditors of the headquarters of the American oil company is currently auditing the accounts, so Amigoe also encountered.

Through the mail received this newspaper and asked to respond on a payment of nearly 6,000 dollars to Valero Amigoe this year would have done. The money was transferred to a bank of JP Morgan Chase Bank, which was owned by a U.S. company Convergint Technologies. This company is not a client of Amigoe nor is ever amount to this newspaper account. From reliable sources within Valero Aruba, the editors received confirmation that this construction multiple times by the fraudulent employees have been applied.

Separately, there is also fraud in contracts with subcontractors. In addition to the already fired manager of the maintenance department, is now also a member of the same section of suspected fraud. The practices of a security officer JM are now examined.

Although Valero want nothing about the irregularities, the spokesman confirmed that they have the matter seriously. Moreover, a few months ago someone fired, allegedly because of fraud. Whether this is related to the research of today is not known.
 
Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) left this morning on the radio to know that he knows nothing of the fraud. But he said last night a proposal by Petro China, one of the companies interested in taking over the refinery in San Nicolas. There would be almost consistent with the price, but do not have the legal details. Oduber said the positive finding that in addition to Petro China, two parties who want to buy the refinery and also own the necessary crude oil available.

The refinery itself strong rumors circulating that in September the last month is that Valero paid. This is not confirmed by the company itself.

Finally, says Prime Minister Oduber verdict expected today in the arbitration case that Valero had brought against the government because they pay BBO.


I'm not quite sure how Convergint Technologies comes into this whole scenario, and how Valero employees would be billing Amigoe for anything.  Convergint does have many clients including big oil companies.  They have several locations in the US.  There's even a Greg Mansur as an executive in MN (coincidence, probably, but it stood out). 

http://www.convergint.com/maptest.asp


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 11:25:26 PM
http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=119

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Van%20der%20Sloot/08152009_ValentijnVandersloot_Playb.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 18, 2009, 11:35:58 PM
8/15/2009 Playboy Party at Occidental

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=119

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/08152009_PlayboyPartyAtOccidental_A.jpg)

Aline hasn't looked "well" in the last few pictures I've seen of her.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 18, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
I have to agree, TM. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 12:11:56 AM
8/15/2009 Playboy Party at Occidental

http://www.clickonaruba.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=119

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/08152009_PlayboyPartyAtOccidental_A.jpg)

Aline hasn't looked "well" in the last few pictures I've seen of her.  JMO


DDEG Presents PLAYBOY Nights "Come Play with Me"@ Occidental 15Aug

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1070573

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1070575&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=6afe7237d18f0e181ff8d54d52491c9f)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 01:38:14 AM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11155/8/#jc_allComments

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Dos turista perdi band'i Conchi     
Sunday, 16 August 2009 - 21:48 
For di atardi caba, 24ora.com a ricibi informe cu lo tin dos turista perdi na Shete direccion Conchi. Te awor aki, no sa di e paradero di e dos turistanan aki. Autoridadnan competente a wordo poni na altura y na momentonan aki un buskeda ta ser haci pa asina haya e turistanan aki. Aki rato nos lo trece mas informe riba e caso aki...
 

Through translator:

two tourist perdi band\'i conchi

sunday, 16 august 2009 - 21:48

for of nightfall end, 24ora.com owing to ricibi informe cu will have two tourist perdi at seven direccion conchi. till now here, not know of the paradero of the two turistanan here. autoridadnan competente owing to wordo poni at height y at momentonan here one buskeda is being haci for so achieve the turistanan here. here rato we will trece more informe on the caso here... come across


8/17/2009 Diario Front Page

http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/frontpage/index.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08172009_Diario_Tourists_Conchi.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

turistanan bad stick last at conchi

oranjestad – diadomingo night some owing to happen in one susto because for of oranan late of nightfall they owing to achieve they self in problem cu they vehiculo 4x4 on the caminda for conchi.

one another familiar of they owing to beat alarma but police not can arrive of none form at the lugar. the. vehiculo cu police have non is esun apropia for core the camindanian bruto panort of aruba. hour cu the situation owing to become more earnest the polisnan owing to cuminsa haci more esfuerzo because seems the famianan tourist in the scuridad owing to cuminsa become bad.

cu urgencia owing to see patrol of santa cruz bay at the post of bombero at tanki flip for so leave cu helicopter for see exactly where the family perdi is.

for they surprise, police owing to come constata cu the helicopter once more is “plat” on orden of aviacion civil. if is so is con can is polibel cu past owing to fly then on day of entregamento of list for saca potret for mep?

polisnan at dado instant diadomingo night not was know more kico for haci cu the situation cu owing to present. bomberonan seems niether was have material for give the asistencia necesario. this assure was one bad memento for her turistanan cu owing to wait for one yudanza rapido in one situation so desagradable.

till at cierre of edicion here, daily paper not owing to achieve informe, kico owing to follow happen, y if acaso the turistanan owing to happen all one night “drumi in auto” peri in parke arikok. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 01:40:15 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 19, 2009, 08:54:51 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!

Very interesting article that I thought appropriate to post for our frequent guests to read:

http://news.aol.com/article/missouri-woman-charged-with/627769?icid=main|main|dl1|link2|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fmissouri-woman-charged-with%2F627769

Woman Charged With Cyberbullying Teen

Felony Harassment...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 19, 2009, 12:10:32 PM
Thanks for the link to that article, Jen.

I DO find it EXTREMELY interesting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 19, 2009, 12:14:09 PM
I wonder if there are any cases with charges for sending PM's that are nothing but a string of obscenities and "F bombs" filed yet.  Unfortunately, we have also had plenty of that during the course of following this tragedy as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 19, 2009, 12:17:27 PM
Screenshots are our friend.

 ::MonkeyWhistle::


Off to work and lurk. . . . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 19, 2009, 01:59:34 PM
UBS to divulge more than 4,000 account names
Swiss banking giant, U.S. announce deal on the secret accounts


In March, the IRS began a six-month amnesty program that sweetened the offer with reduced penalties for people with undeclared assets. Shulman said the response has been unprecedented, though he declined to say how many people have applied.


Click for related content
U.S. seeks reduced term for Swiss bank witness

Shulman said UBS customers are free to take advantage of the program as long as they come forward before Sept. 23 — and before the IRS receives their name from UBS.

"The letter they receive from the bank will not disqualify them from coming forward to the IRS under our voluntary disclosure program," Shulman said. "But once the Swiss government sends us the name, all bets are off."

Shulman said the IRS already is using the program to get information from account holders about other banks and financial advisers who have helped them evade U.S. taxes.

"You can expect us to continue to be aggressive," he said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32474087/ns/business-world_business/

::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Me thinks the IRS would be interested in some of the character's we've come to know?Which side of the law will they fall into?Time will tell........ ::MonkeyCool::

TICK_TOCK
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 19, 2009, 05:58:44 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 06:00:25 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Thanks 2NJ, for the reminder!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 06:08:01 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61223.php

Google translation:

Court decided Friday on persecution Minister Wever
August 19, 2009, 14:10 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
  Print this article

ORANGE CITY - The Common Court of Justice ruling Friday is the procedure to party leader Rudy Lampe (RED) began at the Public Prosecutor (OM) to force to investigate and prosecute health minister Booshi Wever (MEP).

The minister yesterday had to account for the judges of the court for "his side of the story. Lampe moved to December 7, 2007 a complaint, since Weaver would have insinuated that he was guilty of pedophile priests when he was. Lampe asked the then Deputy Attorney General Nico Jörg minister to prosecute for libel or slanderous insinuations. Then he heard a half years since the OM. Lampe therefore decided several months ago to proceedings before the Community Court for it to still require a prosecution to proceed. Shortly afterwards however, Lampe was the reaction of OM that the investigation would be resurrected. The explanation for the delay was given that the country was occupied by Recherche.

Attorney General Rob Pietersz dismissed the case after hearing of Mr Weaver "because it is election time," so at least explains Lampe. Confirms that the OM PG "saw no reason to proceed with prosecution. "Now we await the ruling of the Court did," said the spokesman. Lampe late response to this newspaper know, not to estimate what decision the court will take. "It's hard to say."

Civil Case
Early July Lampe won a civil case against Minister Booshi Weaver about his statements to the States and to the press. Weaver said Lampe was repeatedly pedophile. The minister had to judge a correction in both places Amigoe like Bon Dia and Diario Aruba on penalty of a fine of 5,000 florin a day. Weaver has appealed against the verdict. He declared to have an audio tape in which "young people" to hear that incriminating statements had been made against Lampe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 06:14:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61220.php

ARUBA

Agent Maduro is considering civil action

August 19, 2009, 14:06 (GMT -04:00)


Edgar Maduro and Hendrik Croes

ORANGE CITY - The police yesterday acquitted Edgar Maduro (35) is predominant, unlike yesterday by his lawyer Peter Mohammed was said to the press, indeed the initiation of a civil case. "Nothing is certain, I must see if we will start a civil action or not."

our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

The agent says after the incident on March 16 last year to have been threatened and intimidated. "I have six years chaired the search. In those six years I have repeatedly received death threats. That I can live with, but if the safety of my wife and children at stake, then it's a different story. "Maduro said in the week after the accident to be chased and spied on. "I saw strangers in my garden and why foreign cars for my house. One morning I saw that all the bolts on the wheels of my official car was unscrewed. I received the phone calls reporting that two people would come "to talk with me."

Threatening calls
Eventually someone high in the tree of government party MEP contact Maduro is taken up. "When the session of the Court of First Instance was contacted less frequently. There was no reason for the judge since I was hardly got the opportunity to speak. All that then happened was that I got the wind in front of the Prosecutor and the courts and eventually convicted. There was very clearly seen that Mr. Croes not just anyone and that he was favored by the courts. "Only when Maduro decided to appeal to the courts, he received regular calls from a man he called" a pillar of the party " calls. Whoever it is, Maduro will not tell. "I was asked if I would let the matter rest and not continue my appeal. They knew that I would be able to do my side of the story. When she realized I was no intention to stop the phone calls were at. "

Standard Products
During the processing of the appeal would have wanted to give him a heel turn. "Even when the officer shouted to me:" You know you're wrong! "They say a video which says that after the accident was good, but it was not shown. I challenge them to prove to the people. After the accident I was struggling out of my car and walking with difficulty. "On the data declarations and any errors that were made in the minutes Maduro is short:" I was told that if I said I was on the nou hood of the car was going or rolled not matter. And I said that I landed on my feet, but it was seen that I landed on my hands, which is not true. With my hand I tried to stop the car. "Maduro said his declaration anyway consistent with the rules. "There are standard articles regarding assault and attempted murder. My statements as are those items. The fact is that he aanreed me and drove without looking. "

Maduro said the biggest disappointment is that his own corps him "a knife stabbed into his back. "They have relegated me in searching for street service, that I am, after thirteen years of service, the most pain. Previously, I said the best detective, but when politics in the police force was urged then goes wrong. I think Commissioner Dolfi Richardson and his people responsible. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 19, 2009, 06:28:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61219.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Edgar Maduro is not just someone"

August 19, 2009, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - "I have the considerations of the court not read, so I do not wish to elaborate on the statement," he lawyer Hendrik Croes know in response to the acquittal on appeal of the policeman Edgar Maduro. But he hopes that the Joint Court not "fallen into the trap of the comedy of Maduro.

The argument that not enough evidence would be a deliberate false declaration of Maduro's side hard to make works on the land not lawyers. "Maduro is not just anyone. How can a detective not know who I am? Also I read in the newspaper that he said would not be able to understand Dutch. A detective wrote his records in Dutch. "That Maduro's directorship with the police union have played a role in any false declaration is Hendrik Croes, however," just as speculative as the basis for the decision taken then to me once KIA once inside to show. Asked whether he was a civil case against Maduro will start Croes says: "You did me in July last year, too. I gave an answer to that I do not hurry. That has not changed. "That Maduro by MEP supporters would be intimidated, the former Minister of Justice in its own words unknown.

The Public Prosecutor (OM) gives an official statement that it is awaiting the written statement of the verdict by the Joint Court. "Only then will be considered on any appeal," said spokeswoman Ann OM Angela. Nevertheless, the order not happy with the verdict. "This is not what we have gone."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 19, 2009, 11:36:58 PM
Hi wreck....slow night tonight...
I missed last night with the night crew...but ready to rumble tonight... ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 19, 2009, 11:43:09 PM
Hi wreck....slow night tonight...
I missed last night with the night crew...but ready to rumble tonight... ::MonkeyDance::
It's been slow for 3-4 nights....... I got in trouble for talking football late the other night ... I'll shut up.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 19, 2009, 11:45:59 PM
Hi wreck....slow night tonight...
I missed last night with the night crew...but ready to rumble tonight... ::MonkeyDance::
It's been slow for 3-4 nights....... I got in trouble for talking football late the other night ... I'll shut up.  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Football season starting up ::MonkeyDance::.....how can we not talk football ::MonkeyWaa::...
I know....musings......but I never go to musings.... ::MonkeyCheer3::
blue and gold chargers....
I'll be quiet too..... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 19, 2009, 11:52:14 PM
Hi Can, Wreck, & Billb, The night crew must be busy. I was here last night but my internet & cable were out. Anything new in Ruba? Hey, some big, bad hurricane in the Atlantic???  Great that it's NOT coming our way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2009, 12:11:47 AM
 ::MonkeyKiss::      Goodnight, Monkey friends...see you later.   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 20, 2009, 12:27:32 AM
Good night good monkeys....
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee!!
Tick Tock.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 20, 2009, 12:42:46 AM
Hi wreck....slow night tonight...
I missed last night with the night crew...but ready to rumble tonight... ::MonkeyDance::
It's been slow for 3-4 nights....... I got in trouble for talking football late the other night ... I'll shut up.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Evening Monkey's..Can't miss Dog the bounty hunter.Got a great hunt goin on!Tick_Tock. ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 20, 2009, 12:48:56 AM
Hi wreck....slow night tonight...
I missed last night with the night crew...but ready to rumble tonight... ::MonkeyDance::
It's been slow for 3-4 nights....... I got in trouble for talking football late the other night ... I'll shut up.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Evening Monkey's..Can't miss Dog the bounty hunter.Got a great hunt goin on!Tick_Tock. ::MonkeyBike::

Although there is no observable progress,me thinks progress is being made but,what do i know? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 01:26:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 20, 2009, 01:35:18 AM
Hi, Wreck.

Calling out to LifeSong!

Where did she go?  Did she post anything about the summer off or anything?  I hope she is OK.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 08:19:01 AM
Hi, Wreck.

Calling out to LifeSong!

Where did she go?  Did she post anything about the summer off or anything?  I hope she is OK.

I miss her too Anna.  I don't recall anything being posted about taking the summer off.  Maybe she's just busy with the kids.  Like you, I hope everything's o.k.

Have a great day Monkeys!   ::MonkeySlide::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2009, 10:32:58 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::    Good morning.

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 20, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
LOL ... I can't help it. Every single time I see that I have to  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 05:30:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_61271.php

ARUBA

VNO-NCW reorganises ATIA

20 Aug, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch Employers VNO-NCW is the Aruban compeer ATIA help with a major reorganization. ATIA wants a new organizational structure, new job profiles for management and governance, alignment of funding and a strategic plan for the next five years to develop. Jan Willem van den Braak, currently stationed in Brussels for VNO-NCW and for 30 years in service, is from November 1 to Aruba. He will be full time to help with the reorganization, reports ATIA.

__________________________________________________________________________

FYI:

More information about each at the links provided.

http://www.atiaruba.org/
ATIA stands for the Aruba Trade & Industry Association.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VNO-NCW
VNO-NCW
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
VNO-NCW (known in English as the Confederation of Netherlands Industry and Employers) is a Dutch employers' federation.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jan-willem-van-den-braak/13/847/B
Jan Willem Van Den Braak
Permanent delegate VNO-NCW Brussels at VNO-NCW
The Hague Area, Netherlands


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 05:42:48 PM
Good evening all.  Just catching up.  No justice yet?  Me believes it will come in due time.  I will be around to see it too.   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 05:44:14 PM
http://www.atiaruba.org/pdf/79Farewell%20Speech%20President%20ATIA%20Juan%20Yrausquin%20AGM%202009.pdf

Farewell Speech, President Juan Yrausquin AGM 2009

At my college, IVA Driebergen in the Netherlands, I was taught to “stick
my head above the crowd”, in Aruba on the other hand the motto is: “if
you stick your head above the crowd it will get chopped off”.

Newly elected President of ATIA Mr. Stephen Daal, Past Presidents of
ATIA, Mr. Hans Schnog, Mr. Greg Peterson, Honorable Members of
ATIA, Ladies and Gentlemen, once again good evening and welcome to
our Annual General Membership Meeting.

Tonight I would like to share with you my experience as President of
ATIA, what this has taught me and what I believe ATIA can learn from
this for the future.

Two years ago I stood here before you and delivered a speech where I
addressed the need for communication, the need to establish a
healthier relationship with our government and the need to become a
respected and trusted partner of it. I said to you that it is my conviction
that this was necessary for ATIA in order to be more effective in the
years to come.

At Last year’s AGM I spoke about the Cunucu Model; the idea of an
Aruban variant to the Dutch Poldermodel. We invited an Ex President of
the Largest Employers organization in the Netherlands to speak about
this and to explain how this works.

This year we even invited the President of the pillar of the Dutch
Poldermodel, the Socio Economic Council. Mr. Alexander Rinnooy Kan
person was named the most influential person in the Netherlands for
the past two years by a very important newspaper “de Volksrant”. Mr.
Alexander Rinnooy Kan will speak about the importance of dialogue
and a coordinated plan between employers, employees and
government representatives. Because of a knee operation he will be
here with us through video instead of in person.

So I guess you catch the drift, I believe strongly in the importance of
meaningful dialogue with government and also in the “Poldermodel”.
This adds up to the question; how did this go in the past two years?
How effective was ATIA in establishing this meaningful dialogue?
As they say in Dutch “het was vallen en weer opstaan” , falling down
and getting back up again. In the first few months I had a meeting with
the Prime Minister to explain to him the plan to have more dialogue
with his government. I explained to him my belief in reaching solutions
by focusing on thoughtful discussion and deliberations rather than
combating through the press. He seemed receptive. But truthfully
nothing really came out of that meeting. Soon after this we fell back
into our traditional pattern of fighting with government through the
press.

Then at the end of 2007 I went to a training on Negotiation at the
Harvard Law School. This training was about “dealing with emotions in
business negotiations”. It was an excellent training which opened my
eyes a lot and made me learn about mistakes I made in the past. The
training taught me that in order to have better results in negotiations;
we must stimulate positive emotions in our negotiation partner. And
what we were doing is actually quite the opposite; we were stimulating
negative emotions in our negotiation partner. We created negative
emotions because we criticized the government’s plans in the press
oftentimes before giving the government a chance to comment, react,
change or amend their plans in a more private setting.

And this is exactly where the problem lies, because what comes first,
the chicken or the egg? How were we going to get the government to
sit at the table with us, if we were creating negative emotions? We
didn’t trust them and they definitely didn’t trust us. So I started
applying the techniques we were taught in the negation training and
slowly but surely trust was improved. The problem with this process is
that for the outside world, and also for you as members, it seems like
ATIA is just sitting around. The process of establishing trust however is
a very private and at the same time lengthy process. The minute we
start communicating with you or the press about this, it affects the
trust. And this counts more than anywhere else, with our elected
officials, they have very very long toes.

But besides the fact that the outside world and our members might
think that we are just sitting around, the problem with this process is
that the press and also the opposition do not like this process. They
expect you to be in the press and they especially like you to fight the
government. They love that! But to tell you the truth, we do not care
about that. We care about our members, we care about you, and as
long as we are getting results for trade & industry, that is what
ultimately counts. We also needed to try it differently, because we
needed and still need to be more effective than we were in the past.
Einstein’s definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over
again and expecting different results. Of course we do not want this
quote to apply to ATIA, now do we?

If you look at the past year and a half, there have been little to no laws
passed which had a direct negative impact on our members. We were
on top of each and every one of them, oftentimes before and
sometimes while they were at parliament.

While there is also a need is to have government getting laws passed
that have a positive impact on our members, this is definitely an
improvement.

Many government plans which were on the brink of execution which
would have had a severe negative impact on our members where
either amended, postponed or halted completely. While there is also a
need to have government introduce plans which have a positive impact
on our members, this is certainly an improvement.

To establish a good relationship with government however is not a goal
in itself. It is a means to an end. And I strongly believe that “the ends
must justify the means”. I am of the opinion that we must be willing to
sacrifice or hurt that relationship if and when it’s necessary. If you
don’t, you are weak and your weakness will be exploited by the
government. Someone once said: “there can be no friendship without
confidence, and there can be no confidence without integrity.” Integrity
is included in ATIA’s logo for a reason. It’s part of our core beliefs and
propagating ethics is one of the ways by which we strive to achieve our
goal of promoting the interests of commerce and industry in general.

This is not something that the Board or President of ATIA or Juan
Yrausquin dictates, this is what our articles of association which have
been established almost 65 years ago dictates.

How is commerce and trade going to prosper if there is no level playing
field? How is our island going to prosper if the people that live on it
don’t trust that they will have a fair chance to be successful if they work
hard and smart? What will happen to our citizens if they lose this
fundamental belief in equal rights?

Ladies and Gentlemen, the answer is this: we will become apathic,
demotivated and we will not realize our God given potentials.
We need to reverse this trend, ATIA is doing it’s part and even though
this might be a small drop in a large bucket, I believe and I’m confident
you believe also that it makes a difference.

Fellow board members, I would like to thank you for the support you’ve
given me and ATIA in the past years. Some of you have been more
active than others, but all of you have made time available from your
busy schedules as a service to your community. You have invested time
in ATIA which you could have spent on your business your family and
your friends. Aruba is a better place because we have people like you
and I would like to thank you for that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, from the bottom of my heart I would like to
thank you for giving me the opportunity to be the President of this
esteemed organization for the past 2 years. I am proud of this and I am
proud of the fact that, as per our bylaws, I will continue being part of
this organization as Vice President for the coming year.

This year, with your support, will be marked by ATIA’s transformation
into an even more professional organization.

Next year will be ATIA’s 65th anniversary and as the largest employers
organization of our island we need to make sure we keep making
ourselves heard and that the interests of commerce and industry keeps
being taken into account in the future. For this the “road to the future”
presented to you in the Flash we sent earlier this week is essential.

The good news which I would like to share with you tonight is that the
largest employer’s organization of the Netherlands, VNO-NCW, has said
that they want to help us with this transformation.

My successor Stephen Daal will explain more about this as I finish and
there will be an opportunity to ask questions at the Q&A part of this
AGM. I truly hope that you give us the mandate to move forward with
the execution of this plan.

Ladies and Gentlemen before I draw to a close I want to leave you with
this quote from Hannah Moore, a famous writer on moral and religious
subjects:

One kernel is felt in a hogshead; one drop of water helps to swell
the ocean; a spark of fire helps to give light to the world. None are
too small, too feeble, too poor to be of service. Think of this and
act.”

Once again thank you for this opportunity and all the best in your
future endeavours.

I would like to call forward the Board members stepping down, which
are Ricky Malmberg, Aisha Anthony and Junior Croes.

Ricky has been part of ATIA for the past ... years as Board Member and
we would like to provide him with this token of appreciation.

Junior Croes has been part of ATIA for the past 3 years as Board
Member and we would like to provide him with the following token of
appreciation.

Aisha Anthony has been part of ATIA for the past … years and has
served many years as treasurer also, we would like to her with the
following token of appreciation.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 05:48:26 PM
Good evening all.  Just catching up.  No justice yet?  Me believes it will come in due time.  I will be around to see it too.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Hi Blue Moon!  I'll be here too!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 20, 2009, 05:51:24 PM
Good evening all.  Just catching up.  No justice yet?  Me believes it will come in due time.  I will be around to see it too.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Hi Blue Moon!  I'll be here too!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Me three! ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 05:55:32 PM
Good evening all.  Just catching up.  No justice yet?  Me believes it will come in due time.  I will be around to see it too.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Hi Blue Moon!  I'll be here too!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Me three! ::MonkeyGavel::


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 06:00:09 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61272.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Morgan's Island to develop further

20 Aug, 2009, 13:46 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY-It is on the right side with Morgan's Island water park, says manager of the park Tony Ponson. "May and June were difficult months, but in July and August are better and the future of the park looks good," said Ponson.

There would be a failure of the water, but Ponson is nothing obvious. "We are in the beginning not been easy. We had too many people and therefore we had to reorganize the case. We keep costs in monitored. And now is doing well. "In addition, Morgan's Island in conversation with an Arab investment group to make money in the water pump. Ponson: "Since I know nothing about, but I know that there are multiple interested parties. We are working on it, but in the short term will still be decided. "

According to the park Ponson is now further developing. Ponson: "We are working with small projects such as the parking lot asphalt. It is still not clear what will happen next to the field, maybe the park will be extended or a hotel. "Further, the better the advertising of Morgan's Island, Ponson said. "We are talking to hotels and a cruise ship that the water and want to promote next month our flyers at the airport to find."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 06:06:35 PM
What's the old saying?  "Build it and they shall come".  This island doesn't get it that we are in a deep recession (or depression).  Cutbacks are happening everywhere.  Yet they keep on building, investing without a thought of whether or not it is a wise thing to be doing.  You cannot force people to visit their sad island in times like these.  We just got back from Gulf Shores, AL and the economy has affected their tourism.  I told my husband you could go into any store and they would have pamphlets everywhere on things to do, places to eat, places to stay.  This time you couldn't find them.  We ended up having to go to the visitor center to get some brochures.  I told my husband they have cut back their advertising and it showed.  SO why doesn't Aruba get the message?  On top of the economy it just IS NOT a safe place to travel. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 06:42:08 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news1.html

Aruba, Diaranzon 19 Augustus 2009

Papiamentu translation:

edmond croes mentalidad putrefy cu today is come across his berdad!

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/copiajosygrande.JPG)

all day the hendenan cu is cobrando centenares of thousand guilder of people at one as inhusto have they mouth complete papiando bad of hendenan above-board integro y right. awo cu they berdad is saliendo they're show they berdadero cara. not have word for describi they reaccion on they berdad.

is again everybody is carga the culpa less they self for thing they're haci. sinembargo is seems cu they're cuminza feel kico they owing to haci inhustamente contra one cantidad of ciudadano aruban. coin earn deshonestamente do not haci feliz. the berdad is strike duro. they owing to lie so tanto on another hendenan keriendo cu they can owing to stay sconde all they bagamunderianan.

in the dianan here daily paper is publicando one behind another the sumanan cu family of edmond croes is ricibiendo of lotto for sport. the reaccionnan cu daily paper is hayando is cu much person is haye casi impossible for believe kico they eye is see. just esnan cu is ofende another all day without base today is resulta the berdadero abusadornan, piratanan cu is throw atraco behind atraco on the placanan of lotto.

they owing to believe cu all thing they're haciendo will stay secreto but the inhusticia cu they're cometiendo is place cu testigonan cu is work in the sector of lotto for sport y cu owing to look at cuanto maldad have rond of the dirigentenan of mep owing to cuminza harta of the abuse y owing to bay is percurando for her maldad worde castiga.

do not as radio riool is anuncia cu edmond y his family because; aruban will do not permiti for earn coin. alcontrario, daily paper will fight always for arubianonan achieve all oportunidad for earn coin on we island.

but, earn coin at one manero above-board. thing daily paper is contra is cu one are diminutive of the top of mep is esnan cu at one as incorecto is earn centenares of thousand guilder while one part big of we people is sufriendo seriamente for motibo of the bad maneho of the gobernantenan of mep.

all the coin cu gobierno is ricibi is bay of one or another as for her are diminutive of friends and family y hour coin end is more medida is come on back of esnan more vulnerabel in we comunidad.

daily paper is condena energicamente the practicanan here. the documentonan of banco publica on the pagina here is show cuanto coin is worde pay at edmond croes y his hendenan while cu schoolnan not can open right because not have coin for enseñanza of we children. sumanan fabuloso is bay in saco of edmond y his famianan while cu have children is bay school without come because they parents is in dificultadnan big for motibo of the gobierno of mep.

owing to become tipico of the hendenan of mep cu they owing to lose all sintimento of sernan human. dolor big in much family directamente door of the maldad of we gobernantenan y one edmond croes cu all day had his mouth complete contra of person right awo is cry because daily paper is publicando the abuse cu is take luga cu coin cu can owing to bay for enseñanza or sport for we children.

the people of aruba owing to cuminza see of close awo kico is sosodiendo bao of the gobierno of mep together cu they family y amigonan. edmond croes miyonario corupto on back of we people, but mouth complete of another. daily paper is priminti cu the will stay activamente for show people on the berdadero atracadornan criminal! stay pendiente because have much more for come in the dianan here! come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 06:52:40 PM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/local/news5.html

Aruba, Diaranzon 19 Augustus 2009

Papiamentu translation:

the pick-up grey owing to “hit” again on turistanan

oranjestad (aan): again owing to worde reporta another caso relaciona cu abstraction on beachnan. esnan cu is visit beachnan as east y pabao of bridge not have tranquilidad. not can let just net nothing in car y niether on beach. this is debi cu have person, pareha, are is opera for hit esnan cu is visit disfruta of we beachnan.

even on internet, have cantidad of “warning” poni, where turistanan is adverti another cu hour they come aruba, for watch-out for “petty theft” of articulonan let in car hour of bay beach at aruba, y besides the reclamo cu polisnan at aruba do not haci nothing.

the trip here, personal of strandpolitie owing to worde instrui for central of police for bay atende one of the tantisimo casonan of ladronicia on beach. the trip here malmok not owing to stay afor!

at arrival, police owing to atende he tourist of inicialnan b.s. naci at merca y the have 32 year of edad.

according version of the bishitante, cu more or less 10:30’or the morning ey, past owing to arrive at the beach for disfruta of sea together cu his casa. on beach they owing to let they bag y despite cu they owing to enter sea, they was throw view y in careda of 11:45’or past owing to leave for of sea after of owing to throw cabez past owing to stay hand at cabez already cu the bag owing to desaparece.

in the bag according bishitante denunciante, have two rijbewijs, two carchi of arubus, key of camber, two tarheta of credit card more 260 dollar cash.

polisnan because; strandpolitie cu did take denuncia oficial of the tourist mericano cu is the tantisimo victima of ladronicia on beach without count ; the cantidad of localnan cu also is abide at hand of the thief (nan).

for some time end according informe will have among another one pickup color grey sospechoso is circula in cual owing to señala one man y one muher tanto east y pabao of bridge in areanan of beach.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 08:50:02 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am home!!  Daughter, SIL and eldest grandsons picked us up from the airport ... Papa splurged for a Japanese dinner and ... we were just dropped off. 

A little bit of Heaven on Earth.  Niece and and hubby took wonderful care of our home and our precious Brandi.  I am looking soooo forward to sleeping in my own bed.

Neigbour brought over a bottle of homemade wine.  We don't normally drink but ...

I will spend some time unpacking ... putting a wash in the machine ... and then catching up some reading on the forum.  If there were any updates ... please tell me in a netshell.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet
5:40 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 08:54:20 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am home!!  Daughter, SIL and eldest grandsons picked us up from the airport ... Papa splurged for a Japanese dinner and ... we were just dropped off. 

A little bit of Heaven on Earth.  Niece and and hubby took wonderful care of our home and our precious Brandi.  I am looking soooo forward to sleeping in my own bed.

Neigbour brought over a bottle of homemade wine.  We don't normally drink but ...

I will spend some time unpacking ... putting a wash in the machine ... and then catching up some reading on the forum.  If there were any updates ... please tell me in a netshell.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet
5:40 PM PT

so glad you made it home o.k. and enjoyed your trip.

Updates, really nothing to add except catch up on TM's news articles.

did grandson's enjoy their time with their grandparents?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 09:17:38 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am home!!  Daughter, SIL and eldest grandsons picked us up from the airport ... Papa splurged for a Japanese dinner and ... we were just dropped off. 

A little bit of Heaven on Earth.  Niece and and hubby took wonderful care of our home and our precious Brandi.  I am looking soooo forward to sleeping in my own bed.

Neigbour brought over a bottle of homemade wine.  We don't normally drink but ...

I will spend some time unpacking ... putting a wash in the machine ... and then catching up some reading on the forum.  If there were any updates ... please tell me in a netshell.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet
5:40 PM PT

so glad you made it home o.k. and enjoyed your trip.

Updates, really nothing to add except catch up on TM's news articles.

did grandson's enjoy their time with their grandparents?

Hi Blue Moon and thanks.

Actualy we took 8 year old granddaughter and 6 year old grandson with us this time.  Their older brothers (10/11) had a turn at the Magic Kingdom in California three years ago.  The kids had a wonderful time and so did Mama and Papa.  Those little munchkins talked non-stop all the way home from the airport and during dinner ... filling their family in.  We took LOTS of pictures.  I gave my camera to daughter and SIL so they  could do something with the chip tonight on their computer.  The pictures will tell the whole story.  Any questions the kids will have the answers.  I also kept a daily diary.  I will put together a scapbook ... something similar to the one I made for eldest grandsons.  Grandson woke up one night and cried for Mom and Dad.  However ... in the morning he was fine.

Hey ... how was your trip to the ocean.  When did you get back?

Janet
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 09:20:59 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am home!!  Daughter, SIL and eldest grandsons picked us up from the airport ... Papa splurged for a Japanese dinner and ... we were just dropped off. 

A little bit of Heaven on Earth.  Niece and and hubby took wonderful care of our home and our precious Brandi.  I am looking soooo forward to sleeping in my own bed.

Neigbour brought over a bottle of homemade wine.  We don't normally drink but ...

I will spend some time unpacking ... putting a wash in the machine ... and then catching up some reading on the forum.  If there were any updates ... please tell me in a netshell.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet
5:40 PM PT


JANET!!!!!  I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU!!!!!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Welcome home!   ::MonkeySlide:::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 09:21:37 PM
Self Edit

... older brothers (8/11) s/b (10/11)

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 09:23:44 PM
Hi Monkeys

I am home!!  Daughter, SIL and eldest grandsons picked us up from the airport ... Papa splurged for a Japanese dinner and ... we were just dropped off. 

A little bit of Heaven on Earth.  Niece and and hubby took wonderful care of our home and our precious Brandi.  I am looking soooo forward to sleeping in my own bed.

Neigbour brought over a bottle of homemade wine.  We don't normally drink but ...

I will spend some time unpacking ... putting a wash in the machine ... and then catching up some reading on the forum.  If there were any updates ... please tell me in a netshell.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeyKiss::

Janet
5:40 PM PT


JANET!!!!!  I'M SO GLAD TO SEE YOU!!!!!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Welcome home!   ::MonkeySlide:::



Thanks texasmom.

 ::MonkeyCheer2::

It is sooo good to be home.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 09:28:57 PM

No case news at all while you were gone Janet.   ::MonkeyWaa::

There was one little fuss over at BFN that we heard about. 

GrannyToad told Rammstein...well I don't recall exactly...but have you ever heard the phrase "how the cow ate the cabbage".    ::MonkeyHaHa::

That was my thought about what she said! 

GrannyToad is cool, and I hope her husband is recovering well from his hip replacement.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 09:36:23 PM


The Kalpoe vs McGraw document that Klaas posted may have been while you were gone Janet, I don't remember now!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 09:43:11 PM
Janet, there was a new post at the Natalee's Freebird's site while you were gone!   ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool::

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

THURSDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009

Chance For a New Beginning

Resulting from the tragic disappearance in May 2005 of Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba, many immediately saw what appeared to be rampant cronyism, corruption, and downright criminal actions on the part of those elected to preserve and protect = The Aruban Government and its Judiciary.

Throughout these past 4 years, many have watched and listened to further injustices against both Natalee and her family by those same "authorities".

Many have also seen the reaction of the world to the continued spotlight on Aruba, and its previously hidden underbelly of crime.

Such an underbelly has gone unreported in their crime statistics, thereby continuing to promote a safe vacation destination of "One Happy Island".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.0



Now four years later, we are finally seeing what we hope is only the beginning of official investigating, exposing, and criminally charging those who helped Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in covering up their crimes against Natalee Holloway.

This Aruban citizen has publicly stated what many have cried out for these past four years:

Aruba, do something about your corrupt elected officials. From your Prime Minister, your Minister of Justice, and Minister of Tourism, to your Public Prosecutor, your Law Enforcement Officers, and your Judicial Bench.

YOU can make a change. YOU can ensure that your homeland turns itself around, punishes the guilty, and affirms that the message this injustice sent to your youth - that crime can and will go unpunished on Aruba - gets stopped now.

Your public outcry insisting on righting this wrong, on demanding just punishment against those who abducted and murdered Natalee Holloway, and those who enabled their freedom from such punishment are brought before Lady Justice, one and all, is imperative.

Send a message to your elected officials that their actions must reflect clear and concise measures of morality, good will, integrity and conformance to the law. Let them know that should their actions fall short of these things, that you the people will not tolerate it. That you will no longer suffer the consequences of their corrupt decisions and actions.

Aruban citizens, we urge you to send letters encouraging, pleading, and demanding a just and right investigation, including criminal prosecution of these foul perpetrators, to the Dutch investigators currently looking into these things.


Take a stand, and right this wrong. For Natalee Holloway. For her family.

And for yourselves and the future of your island.

http://www.transparency.org/contact_us/ti_nc/all

National Chapter
Netherlands

TI Netherlands

Address:
Transparency International Nederland
t.a.v. de directeur
Benoordenhoutseweg 23
2596 BA s Gravenhage

Email:
gk@vandermandele.eu

Website:
www.transparencyinternational.nl

Contact Person(s):
Mr Charles van der Mandele
Director/CEO
Phone : +31 70 353 8280
Fax : +31 70 353 8333

E-mail(s):
gk@vandermandele.eu



http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

MONDAY, JULY 27, 2009

Aruba's Moral Crisis

Where ever you go today, you are always able to hear something negative about the dire situation on the island of Aruba.

If it's not coming from your radio or television, it's the local newspapers filled everyday with articles that make it clear of this somber reality that according to many has really gone out of hand. These are not just ordinary complaints or political rants addressing a particularly bad situation. Unfortunately it is the ugly truth that we are all experiencing on this "one happy island" of Aruba today. Teen pregnancy has reached alarming and critical numbers apparently twice as large as the numbers presently at hand in Holland. The latter supposedly the country that many here in Aruba, including our Prime Minister and his popular sidekicks the Ex Minister of Justice and the Minister of Health call our "Mother Country" lacking in strong religious and moral conviction and lost in it's liberal ways with it's free sex, homosexual marriage, child pornography and it's drug abuse gone ramped and available everywhere in the Netherlands. These people are in the frame of mind that here in Aruba we are living in a super fantastic Utopia, where none of these undesirable things happen, this because of their own and their prestigious party's high moral and religious convictions. They believe they have all of these minor local problems very much under control as they all themselves live a healthy and wholesome life.

The Irony and cruel reality unfortunately is that here in Aruba our government employees and the government itself over the last few years have been constantly under suspicion and are presently being investigated by the Dutch government (as the local Aruban government and Dept. of Justice would not look into this for 8 consecutive years) for being involved in obscure businesses, fraud and scandal in different departments of the government.

Armed robbery cases, sometimes with bloody consequences in the light of day all around the island, the homeless drug addicted vagrant "choller" phenomenon is reaching it's highest numbers and keeps growing and is already to be seen at the high rise hotels. The stealing in and of automobiles, theft in commercial establishments and home invasions are happening more then ever all over the island. Many of these are done by our own local youth and this unfortunately has become a common occurrence. We have reached the point where everyone already ask themselves daily, "when will I be next"?

Where did things go wrong? Why does it seem that we never have a solution in place or one that soon will be implemented, for any of our social problems. Who will take responsibility for this fiasco and obvious failure to see or address these very apparent social problems.

Perhaps it was the rising of crude prices? or do we blame it on Henny Eman and his "gang" of the AVP party? Was it the Minister that was not available for health reasons and has since past away, is he to blame? Oh no, it was Tico, he single-handedly took care of this! Perhaps it's our antiquated and liberal Dutch laws? No, it's Andin Bikker the "Capitalist Straw Man", who did know how to break the monopoly in telecommunications on the island -where the big, fat and lazy government owned entity loved to over charge us all for a very long time on the island. Or was it Digicel? Is it the introduction of AZV our national health insurance or was it the racetrack or Ralph Sanchez perhaps? Or is it the crazy American Tourist who come to the island in droves and love to buy drugs and get high and make a scene everywhere they go? It's probably the devil worshipping cults that are recently invading and corrupting our Aruban teens. No it is the Colombian, Venezuelan, Dominican and the rest of these "Latinos" who we have been importing during the last few years to do the work, they are the ones to blame for this chaos here in Aruba.

Sorry folks, I believe it is none of the above. It is us, we the people of Aruba,
"The Original Aruban", we are to blame, we let things go out of hand and let this happen to our country and to ourselves.

The love for money and the yearning for living a larger life while having everyone around you work hard and possibly even suffer to make just a little bit. The lack of brotherly love and the sense of entitlement as to own and take things that you know are not yours, does not belong to you, do not deserve and was never yours to begin with, but knowingly keep it to yourself or keep abusing of this one sided situation anyway, as you believe that you deserve it and have the right to it. At hand is the "Live and Let Die " , "Greed is Good", instead of the "Live and Let Live" mentality. All of this with a corrupt governmental and judicial environment has unfortunately distorted the moral compass of the Aruban society.

And now what? Do we pray to God, Mother Mary, the Buddha, Saints Peter? Will this bring the solution? Or should we forget all our problems by ignoring the situation by the use and abuse of alcohol, drugs and partying on with no end every weekend. Who's is here this weekend? Double R, Diomedes Diaz, Earth, Wind and Fire, perhaps Jamie Foxx: "Blame it on the A, A, A, A, A Alcohol Baby.....?

No people, the solution starts with ones self.

Demand, what you do have the right to, in a well balanced society.

That is a peaceful life, living in harmony and coexistence with nature and your fellow man, all under the watchful eye of the Lord All Mighty. This should be demanded and expected from anyone who sits down in the new government seat.

What future would we have if it all stays the same and everything stays in the hands of those whom party in their private club and today own many things that 8 to 12 years ago they did not have, including nightclubs, sports bars, buildings "all inclusive" meaning already prearranged and signed with a convenient government long lease at exaggerated high rates and all this without having invited tenders nor legal contracts, hotel spa's, crazy high salaries for friends and family all these part of the Exclusive Elitist Club. Many of these do not even have to set foot at the government or government allied job for years, the traveling all over the world anytime there is an issue at hand in the parliament that these elected representatives have to face and resolve and therefor don't confront, not to mention the making available to these Ministers of government employees as to captain and maintain their personal yachts and to work on their political campaigns for this "private club of humble capitalist" working in a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people?

How embarrassing...

Please deceive someone else.

How sweet it is!

4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years!

Wake up folks...

POSTED BY FLUIT AT 12:21 PM

POSTED BY NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS AT 12:23 PM



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 20, 2009, 10:05:34 PM
Janet, there was a new post at the Natalee's Freebird's site while you were gone!   ::MonkeyCool::

::MonkeyCool::

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

THURSDAY, AUGUST 13, 2009

Chance For a New Beginning

Resulting from the tragic disappearance in May 2005 of Natalee Holloway on the island of Aruba, many immediately saw what appeared to be rampant cronyism, corruption, and downright criminal actions on the part of those elected to preserve and protect = The Aruban Government and its Judiciary.

Throughout these past 4 years, many have watched and listened to further injustices against both Natalee and her family by those same "authorities".

Many have also seen the reaction of the world to the continued spotlight on Aruba, and its previously hidden underbelly of crime.

Such an underbelly has gone unreported in their crime statistics, thereby continuing to promote a safe vacation destination of "One Happy Island".

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.0



Now four years later, we are finally seeing what we hope is only the beginning of official investigating, exposing, and criminally charging those who helped Joran van der Sloot, Paulus van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe in covering up their crimes against Natalee Holloway.

This Aruban citizen has publicly stated what many have cried out for these past four years:

Aruba, do something about your corrupt elected officials. From your Prime Minister, your Minister of Justice, and Minister of Tourism, to your Public Prosecutor, your Law Enforcement Officers, and your Judicial Bench.

YOU can make a change. YOU can ensure that your homeland turns itself around, punishes the guilty, and affirms that the message this injustice sent to your youth - that crime can and will go unpunished on Aruba - gets stopped now.

Your public outcry insisting on righting this wrong, on demanding just punishment against those who abducted and murdered Natalee Holloway, and those who enabled their freedom from such punishment are brought before Lady Justice, one and all, is imperative.

Send a message to your elected officials that their actions must reflect clear and concise measures of morality, good will, integrity and conformance to the law. Let them know that should their actions fall short of these things, that you the people will not tolerate it. That you will no longer suffer the consequences of their corrupt decisions and actions.

Aruban citizens, we urge you to send letters encouraging, pleading, and demanding a just and right investigation, including criminal prosecution of these foul perpetrators, to the Dutch investigators currently looking into these things.


Take a stand, and right this wrong. For Natalee Holloway. For her family.

And for yourselves and the future of your island.

http://www.transparency.org/contact_us/ti_nc/all

National Chapter
Netherlands

TI Netherlands

Address:
Transparency International Nederland
t.a.v. de directeur
Benoordenhoutseweg 23
2596 BA s Gravenhage

Email:
gk@vandermandele.eu

Website:
www.transparencyinternational.nl

Contact Person(s):
Mr Charles van der Mandele
Director/CEO
Phone : +31 70 353 8280
Fax : +31 70 353 8333

E-mail(s):
gk@vandermandele.eu



http://theholearuba.blogspot.com/2009/07/blog-post.html

MONDAY, JULY 27, 2009

Aruba's Moral Crisis

Where ever you go today, you are always able to hear something negative about the dire situation on the island of Aruba.

If it's not coming from your radio or television, it's the local newspapers filled everyday with articles that make it clear of this somber reality that according to many has really gone out of hand. These are not just ordinary complaints or political rants addressing a particularly bad situation. Unfortunately it is the ugly truth that we are all experiencing on this "one happy island" of Aruba today. Teen pregnancy has reached alarming and critical numbers apparently twice as large as the numbers presently at hand in Holland. The latter supposedly the country that many here in Aruba, including our Prime Minister and his popular sidekicks the Ex Minister of Justice and the Minister of Health call our "Mother Country" lacking in strong religious and moral conviction and lost in it's liberal ways with it's free sex, homosexual marriage, child pornography and it's drug abuse gone ramped and available everywhere in the Netherlands. These people are in the frame of mind that here in Aruba we are living in a super fantastic Utopia, where none of these undesirable things happen, this because of their own and their prestigious party's high moral and religious convictions. They believe they have all of these minor local problems very much under control as they all themselves live a healthy and wholesome life.

The Irony and cruel reality unfortunately is that here in Aruba our government employees and the government itself over the last few years have been constantly under suspicion and are presently being investigated by the Dutch government (as the local Aruban government and Dept. of Justice would not look into this for 8 consecutive years) for being involved in obscure businesses, fraud and scandal in different departments of the government.

Armed robbery cases, sometimes with bloody consequences in the light of day all around the island, the homeless drug addicted vagrant "choller" phenomenon is reaching it's highest numbers and keeps growing and is already to be seen at the high rise hotels. The stealing in and of automobiles, theft in commercial establishments and home invasions are happening more then ever all over the island. Many of these are done by our own local youth and this unfortunately has become a common occurrence. We have reached the point where everyone already ask themselves daily, "when will I be next"?

Where did things go wrong? Why does it seem that we never have a solution in place or one that soon will be implemented, for any of our social problems. Who will take responsibility for this fiasco and obvious failure to see or address these very apparent social problems.

Perhaps it was the rising of crude prices? or do we blame it on Henny Eman and his "gang" of the AVP party? Was it the Minister that was not available for health reasons and has since past away, is he to blame? Oh no, it was Tico, he single-handedly took care of this! Perhaps it's our antiquated and liberal Dutch laws? No, it's Andin Bikker the "Capitalist Straw Man", who did know how to break the monopoly in telecommunications on the island -where the big, fat and lazy government owned entity loved to over charge us all for a very long time on the island. Or was it Digicel? Is it the introduction of AZV our national health insurance or was it the racetrack or Ralph Sanchez perhaps? Or is it the crazy American Tourist who come to the island in droves and love to buy drugs and get high and make a scene everywhere they go? It's probably the devil worshipping cults that are recently invading and corrupting our Aruban teens. No it is the Colombian, Venezuelan, Dominican and the rest of these "Latinos" who we have been importing during the last few years to do the work, they are the ones to blame for this chaos here in Aruba.

Sorry folks, I believe it is none of the above. It is us, we the people of Aruba,
"The Original Aruban", we are to blame, we let things go out of hand and let this happen to our country and to ourselves.

The love for money and the yearning for living a larger life while having everyone around you work hard and possibly even suffer to make just a little bit. The lack of brotherly love and the sense of entitlement as to own and take things that you know are not yours, does not belong to you, do not deserve and was never yours to begin with, but knowingly keep it to yourself or keep abusing of this one sided situation anyway, as you believe that you deserve it and have the right to it. At hand is the "Live and Let Die " , "Greed is Good", instead of the "Live and Let Live" mentality. All of this with a corrupt governmental and judicial environment has unfortunately distorted the moral compass of the Aruban society.

And now what? Do we pray to God, Mother Mary, the Buddha, Saints Peter? Will this bring the solution? Or should we forget all our problems by ignoring the situation by the use and abuse of alcohol, drugs and partying on with no end every weekend. Who's is here this weekend? Double R, Diomedes Diaz, Earth, Wind and Fire, perhaps Jamie Foxx: "Blame it on the A, A, A, A, A Alcohol Baby.....?

No people, the solution starts with ones self.

Demand, what you do have the right to, in a well balanced society.

That is a peaceful life, living in harmony and coexistence with nature and your fellow man, all under the watchful eye of the Lord All Mighty. This should be demanded and expected from anyone who sits down in the new government seat.

What future would we have if it all stays the same and everything stays in the hands of those whom party in their private club and today own many things that 8 to 12 years ago they did not have, including nightclubs, sports bars, buildings "all inclusive" meaning already prearranged and signed with a convenient government long lease at exaggerated high rates and all this without having invited tenders nor legal contracts, hotel spa's, crazy high salaries for friends and family all these part of the Exclusive Elitist Club. Many of these do not even have to set foot at the government or government allied job for years, the traveling all over the world anytime there is an issue at hand in the parliament that these elected representatives have to face and resolve and therefor don't confront, not to mention the making available to these Ministers of government employees as to captain and maintain their personal yachts and to work on their political campaigns for this "private club of humble capitalist" working in a democracy of the people, for the people, by the people?

How embarrassing...

Please deceive someone else.

How sweet it is!

4 more years, 4 more years, 4 more years!

Wake up folks...

POSTED BY FLUIT AT 12:21 PM

POSTED BY NATALEE'S FREEBIRDS AT 12:23 PM


Thanks TM.  I think I missed this.  It was while I was on vacation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 10:09:17 PM

No case news at all while you were gone Janet.   ::MonkeyWaa::

There was one little fuss over at BFN that we heard about. 

GrannyToad told Rammstein...well I don't recall exactly...but have you ever heard the phrase "how the cow ate the cabbage".    ::MonkeyHaHa::

That was my thought about what she said! 

GrannyToad is cool, and I hope her husband is recovering well from his hip replacement.


 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 10:10:39 PM


The Kalpoe vs McGraw document that Klaas posted may have been while you were gone Janet, I don't remember now!

texasmom

Do you have a link?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 10:17:30 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

accidente earnest cu watersports will can trece another golpi big for reputacion internacional of aruba

thursday, 20 august 2009

oranjestad—un father mericano is cla for take pace contra aruba after cu his son owing to abide one accidente important haciendo usage of servicio of watersports here. the son of 17 year owing to achieve dañonan inner pisa, incluyendo nier break, y till day of today is in the unidad of cuido intensivo at jackson memorial hospital, stick at machine for his sobrevivencia.

the young owing to abide the accidente here in awanan fast marriott, after cu tanto the because; one another, owing to cumpra servicionan of one compania of watersports property of owing to.l jr. the boat cu was guia the two hobennan in the so calling ‘tubes’ was maneha for one young local of barely 16 year cu not had none type of licensia or the so calling vaarbewijs, y for colmo was core the boat in one form iresponsabel, in areanan prohibi. dado instant both young tourist owing to bay stick cu all compel in one another boat mara in the area, y both owing to achieve golpi pisa.

the young of 17 year sinembargo was in one condicion sumamento critico y 57 day after still is luchando for his life. the father, one advocate y also acolyte of one organizacion cu is work at interest of consumidonan at merca is acusa the compania of watersports, the hotel where owing to cumpra the servicio, but also aruba of negligencia overall cu owing to cause the damage big here at his child. police entretanto owing to haci his work y owing to work proces verbal tanto contra the young capitan because; the compania cu owing to tum’e in servicio y owing to happen the caso for ministerio publico, but after of one month still nothing did take luga. the actitud here have the father much disgusta y owing to menaza end cu the is pendiente kico will happen cu his child, but cu the will take pace contra aruba. do not exclui cu the will bay media mericano for acusa aruba, specialmente for motibo cu past did take notice cu already for much year end have denuncia cu watersports at aruba do not regula, without cu autoridadnan, among another gobierno did take the pasonan necesario. already end the caso owing to capta atencion of ‘bloggers’ on internet cu is acusando aruba once more of do not asumi responsabilidad. chairman of aruba hospitality and security foundation jan van nes owing to trece caso here fast july 2, without spesifica exactly kico owing to happen. the time ey van nes owing to ilustra cu had two incidente earnest cu watersports at aruba cu is give sample of the necesidad urgente for regula the industry here. the of two caso was uno where one tourist kedando at river owing to break his back. river owing to arrive at one acuerdo pafo of corte cu the family, y owing to pay 850 thousand dollar at damage. van nes owing to tell the instant ey cu ahsf is preocupa cu till still miss regulacion for watersports at aruba “y is give permission at watersports, without cu have the seguronan corespondiente. we is hungando the ruleta russian,” van nes owing to show in one articulo publica in good morning aruba, july 3, 2009, enfatisando cu despite of all affirmation, not owing to come cu exigencia y rekesitonan structura for companianan cu is sell servicio of watersports. rekesitonan as capitannan cualifica y responsible. is impossible for accepta cu one compania of watersports is let one young of barely 16 year fungi because; capitan, cu do not as cuenta cu responsabilidad y siguridad of person. “e miss of regulacion is algo earnest.” y although cu hotelnan is stop garantia for her siguridad of tourist, they not can haci nothing contra the companianan of watersports, cu is saca permisonan of where cu is, of cua minister or instancia, without cu have one sistema structura for controla miho the situation. “nos owing to achieve the affirmation cu maritiem politie will achieve one control on the situation, but still nothing,” van nes owing to expresa month happen. but now is look like cu baca owing to hoga. because although cu police owing to haci his work y owing to happen the caso at ministerio publico, the actitud pasivo according the father is inacceptable y is cla for denuncia aruba internacionalmente. of part police owing to compronde cu do not comenta the caso, already cu the investigacion is in hand of ministerio publico. have to tell if cu some ehecutivo policial owing to expresa cu we they disgust for her miss of ley y miss of herment for genuinely place one control on the explosion of actividadnan of watersports. one explosion cu can costa life of one young y can place another mancha dark on industry turistico of aruba. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 10:35:33 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 10:36:13 PM


The Kalpoe vs McGraw document that Klaas posted may have been while you were gone Janet, I don't remember now!

texasmom

Do you have a link?

Thanks

Janet

I'll see if I can find it Janet!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 10:47:54 PM


 ::MonkeyWaa::  I can't find it, I don't think I dreamed it!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 10:52:01 PM
Klaas,

Please post a link to the last document you posted in Kalpoe vs McGraw.  IIRC, it showed an increase in the amount of the attorneys fees for Kay Skeeters.

I've been looking for it for Janet, but I can't find it!

Thanks in advance! 

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 20, 2009, 10:54:55 PM
From the Kalpoe vs. Dr. Phil hearing on August 13, 2009.  Kay Skeeters filed an addendum as fees have increased:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhil081309a.jpg)

And it appears by the minutes filed that the judge has NOT made his ruling YET:

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KalpoeDrPhil081309minutes.jpg)
Bump


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 20, 2009, 10:57:09 PM
Thanks Hotping! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 20, 2009, 10:59:37 PM
Thanks Hotping! 
YW!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 11:00:47 PM
Thanks Klaas and Hotping.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 11:01:29 PM
Thanks Klaas and Hotping.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Good night Janet! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 20, 2009, 11:02:07 PM
Thanks for looking texasmom.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 20, 2009, 11:02:32 PM
Thanks Klaas and Hotping.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet

YW.....Glad to See Ya Back Janet! Good Night.... Sleep Well...There's No Place Like Home!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 11:03:40 PM
Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::

No wonder I couldn't find it, I would have sworn it was more than two days ago!  The days this week have been really really long!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 11:05:03 PM
Thanks for looking texasmom.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet

You're welcome Janet!  Sweet dreams!  Glad you're home safe and had a great time!
 
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 20, 2009, 11:24:12 PM
Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::

No wonder I couldn't find it, I would have sworn it was more than two days ago!  The days this week have been really really long!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



YW...I had just been back rereading in the thread so I knew about where it was... ::MonkeyWink:: Yes the days have been long.......but its almost TGIF....  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Good Night All...It Has Been a Long Hot Day....And I'm Hitting the Hay Early for Once....  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 20, 2009, 11:29:28 PM
Thanks Hotping!   ::MonkeyDance::

No wonder I couldn't find it, I would have sworn it was more than two days ago!  The days this week have been really really long!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



YW...I had just been back rereading in the thread so I knew about where it was... ::MonkeyWink:: Yes the days have been long.......but its almost TGIF....  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Good Night All...It Has Been a Long Hot Day....And I'm Hitting the Hay Early for Once....  ::MonkeySlide::

Good night Hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 20, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
Thanks Klaas and Hotping.

Good Night Monkeys.  Good Night Zookeepers.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet

YW.....Glad to See Ya Back Janet! Good Night.... Sleep Well...!There's No Place Like Home  ::MonkeyAngel::

Thought of this, myself....I'm an OLD Wizard of Oz fan.       ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 12:03:51 AM
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 12:39:11 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 21, 2009, 01:15:32 AM
Good Evening Good Monkeys....
Nice to see Janet back home safely and hear her stories of the fun the family had.....
I was thinking that maybe Klaas could put together another cheerleader with pom poms that maybe had these colors....collegiate navy and together with gold and white....
That could be interpreted as LA Galaxy Soccer team colors.......but I wouldn't take advantage of that as I know it is not appropriate to discuss futbol/football like say for instance....San Diego Chargers....blue and gold... ::MonkeyCheer3::
I don't want to tempt wreck and others....ktf..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 21, 2009, 01:18:56 AM
Good Evening Good Monkeys....
Nice to see Janet back home safely and hear her stories of the fun the family had.....
I was thinking that maybe Klaas could put together another cheerleader with pom poms that maybe had these colors....collegiate navy and together with gold and white....
That could be interpreted as LA Galaxy Soccer team colors.......but I wouldn't take advantage of that as I know it is not appropriate to discuss futbol/football like say for instance....San Diego Chargers....blue and gold... ::MonkeyCheer3::
I don't want to tempt wreck and others....ktf..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   
Darn billb, wreck and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Looks like it is only you and me wreck.......only one post about futbol/football and everyone heads for the hills....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 21, 2009, 01:24:39 AM
Good Evening Good Monkeys....
Nice to see Janet back home safely and hear her stories of the fun the family had.....
I was thinking that maybe Klaas could put together another cheerleader with pom poms that maybe had these colors....collegiate navy and together with gold and white....
That could be interpreted as LA Galaxy Soccer team colors.......but I wouldn't take advantage of that as I know it is not appropriate to discuss futbol/football like say for instance....San Diego Chargers....blue and gold... ::MonkeyCheer3::
I don't want to tempt wreck and others....ktf..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   
Darn billb, wreck and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Looks like it is only you and me wreck.......only one post about futbol/football and everyone heads for the hills....
::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 21, 2009, 01:34:11 AM
Good Evening Good Monkeys....
Nice to see Janet back home safely and hear her stories of the fun the family had.....
I was thinking that maybe Klaas could put together another cheerleader with pom poms that maybe had these colors....collegiate navy and together with gold and white....
That could be interpreted as LA Galaxy Soccer team colors.......but I wouldn't take advantage of that as I know it is not appropriate to discuss futbol/football like say for instance....San Diego Chargers....blue and gold... ::MonkeyCheer3::
I don't want to tempt wreck and others....ktf..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   
Darn billb, wreck and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Looks like it is only you and me wreck.......only one post about futbol/football and everyone heads for the hills....
::MonkeyCheer4::
Wreck.....I guess we (mostly me - OK ALL me) are in trouble for being off topic....
billb, wreck and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.
I won't contribute to our (MY) delinquency any more... ::MonkeyCheer3::
Good Night Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 21, 2009, 01:41:18 AM
Night all!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 02:09:02 AM
Good Evening Good Monkeys....
Nice to see Janet back home safely and hear her stories of the fun the family had.....
I was thinking that maybe Klaas could put together another cheerleader with pom poms that maybe had these colors....collegiate navy and together with gold and white....
That could be interpreted as LA Galaxy Soccer team colors.......but I wouldn't take advantage of that as I know it is not appropriate to discuss futbol/football like say for instance....San Diego Chargers....blue and gold... ::MonkeyCheer3::
I don't want to tempt wreck and others....ktf..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::   
Darn billb, wreck and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
Looks like it is only you and me wreck.......only one post about futbol/football and everyone heads for the hills....
::MonkeyCheer4::
Wreck.....I guess we (mostly me - OK ALL me) are in trouble for being off topic....
billb, wreck and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.
I won't contribute to our (MY) delinquency any more... ::MonkeyCheer3::
Good Night Good Monkeys...
We are one day closer to Justice for Natalee....

Nice to hear from tha Night Crew... ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hope all is well Billb & Wreck ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 02:15:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


I THINK IT FAIR TO SAY THAT NATALEE HOLLWAY WOULD BE SAYING

                     
ROLL TIDE

::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 02:23:25 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


I THINK IT FAIR TO SAY THAT NATALEE HOLLWAY WOULD BE SAYING

                     
ROLL TIDE

::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

FROM THE NIGHT CREW TO NATALEE HOLLOWAY..YOU'RE WITH US WHERE EVER WE GO

Yea Alabama!
Drown 'em Tide!
Every Bama man's behind you!
Hit your Stride!
Go teach the Bulldawgs to behave!
Send the Yellowjackets to a watery grave!
And if a man starts to weaken
That's a shame!
For Bama's pluck and grit
Have writ her name in Crimson Flame!
Fight on! Fight on! Fight on, men!
Remember the Rose Bowl
We'll win then!
Go Roll to victory!
Hit your stride!
Your Dixie's football pride

CRIMSON TIDE!
ROLL TIDE, ROLL TIDE!  



::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyFootball::


GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 21, 2009, 11:50:24 AM
Good morning, everyone. 

Welcome back Janet and Blue Moon.  Glad you had some R&R.

 ::MonkeyAngel::   

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 01:39:13 PM
On Mark Purcells facebook friends:

Matt Purcell
Oklahoma City, Ok

AND

Trenda Purcell
Oklahoma City, OK



Matt H Purcell 42
Oklahoma City, OK
Tulsa, OK
Choctaw, OK
Broken Arrow, OK

RELATIVES
Matthew H Purcell
Melissa A Purcell
Trenda Elizabeth Purcell
Renda E Purcell


ALWAYS1 postedRe: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #13 12/16 -
Reply #178 on: January 03, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
That was neat, but sad, thank you. When I was little, my uncle owned one of the old theaters down town. We used to get dropped off there, but we had to stay all day until he got off work. It had a balcony and a downstairs. We had to choose where we were going to sit and stay there. No running around. We were allowed two things from the concession stand. It was a wonderful place. All burgandy curtains. When you sat down, and the lights went down, the burgendy curtains would part, then the see thru ones, then the cartoon would start... When the Christmas prarade came to town, my cousins and I would go to the windows and watch it go by. My Grandfather owned the drivein movie in Broken Arrow. It was just grass, bumps and speakers, but it had a playground with a train. We would go there in my dad's convertible. He would park backwards. Then we would all run to the playground and play til the movie started. Of course that was when my family could see. Ah good times.........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg611190#msg611190


ALWAYS 1
Sherdian Lanes many a time. I live at 7lst and Yale

AMF Sheridan Lanes
3121 S Sheridan Rd, Tulsa, OK

ALWAYS 1 posted:
Yes in Tulsa, thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4517.msg668791#msg668791

ALWAYS1 posted:
Reply #1621 on: June 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Morning all it's ONLY 75 degrees in Tulsa today and raining!!!! I am a happy camper!!! Klaasend I hope you and hubby are better!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg855626#msg855626

ALWAYS1 posted
Reply #624 on: February 25, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Its 67 degrees in balmy Tulsa Oklahoma. I have my window open, my closet is neat, my tummy is full, life is good!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4599.msg691324#msg691324


Mark Purcell - Aruba/Yorba Linda,California/Texas/Florida
Matt Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
Trenda Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
DH aka Always1 - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK



SS
 posted:
#238 on: March 15, 2008, 01:12:56 PM
Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly. I lived in Oklahoma for years and those
tornadoes are not to be fooled with. Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please
gather your tribe and go
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg365518#msg365518

SS posted:
June 21, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, in Oklahoma

ss replies
I lived there for many years - Norman and Edmond. I went to OU
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.msg391933#msg391933

OU-
4502 E. 41st Street
Tulsa, OK 74135-2512[/u]
(918) 660-3000


(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6447/markpurcellemailedcapsl.jpg)

THIS PERSON EMAILED CAPSLOCKWIZARD
it belongs to none other then MARK PURCELL.


(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7987/emailtocaps.jpg)


HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT?

ANSWER: From the referring URL in the second person information.
They came straight from their email account


AND

Anita, posting under Medley's current nic (billybob) at RU and she has been
at SM too many times!!!

Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Pos Chikito



Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
 Dave's contact in Aruba is MARK PUCELL!

Kawish Miser
RV aka Capslockwizard
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Mark Purcell
ANITA van der Sloot

Mark Purcell posted on rjames site where he first started posting that
he lives 1/4 mile from the van der sloots.

Mark Purcell gets Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to search the POND
based on Capslockwizard. Kathy Drenga sends Caps to John Silvetti.
So now John Silvetti gets involved along with Tim Miller who is already involved.

Anita and Mark Purcell are members of Robin Holloways website BFN BNH
along with Reality who is Mark Purcells' friend.

Edit per Kermit.







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 01:44:06 PM
that should be BNH not BFN.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
Welcome back Janet and BlueMoon from your holiday vacations.

 ::MonkeySkate::

 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 01:51:20 PM
Welcome back BlueMoon and Janet. You were missed.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 01:53:18 PM
GOOD JOB KERMIT.   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyGavel::

You know what makes the maddest (I cannot contain myself it makes me so mad)?  It is that Anita VDS is on here posting away.  The fat slob.  I have always despised her and this just makes it worse. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 01:56:22 PM
GOOD JOB KERMIT.   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyGavel::

You know what makes methe maddest (I cannot contain myself it makes me so mad)?  It is that Anita VDS is on here posting away.  The fat slob.  I have always despised her and this just makes it worse. 



Correction (added "me").

Thanks Kermit.  I am rested up and raring to go.  It is past time to nail these pathetic people.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 01:58:58 PM
Anyone know what is wrong with The Idiots and Internet Forum Wars sites?  Neither is up and going.   (did I tell ya I like reading the Idiots site?  They can be funny at times).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 21, 2009, 04:02:10 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::  Kerm!!!!

So does this mean Purcell has family in the same area that Always 1 lives?  And that SS used to live?

How big is that Broken Arrow town?  And if it's small - what are the odds that someone totally unconnected would become a member here, and cause problems?



On Mark Purcells facebook friends:

Matt Purcell
Oklahoma City, Ok

AND

Trenda Purcell
Oklahoma City, OK



Matt H Purcell 42
Oklahoma City, OK
Tulsa, OK
Choctaw, OK
Broken Arrow, OK

RELATIVES
Matthew H Purcell
Melissa A Purcell
Trenda Elizabeth Purcell
Renda E Purcell


ALWAYS1 postedRe: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #13 12/16 -
Reply #178 on: January 03, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
That was neat, but sad, thank you. When I was little, my uncle owned one of the old theaters down town. We used to get dropped off there, but we had to stay all day until he got off work. It had a balcony and a downstairs. We had to choose where we were going to sit and stay there. No running around. We were allowed two things from the concession stand. It was a wonderful place. All burgandy curtains. When you sat down, and the lights went down, the burgendy curtains would part, then the see thru ones, then the cartoon would start... When the Christmas prarade came to town, my cousins and I would go to the windows and watch it go by. My Grandfather owned the drivein movie in Broken Arrow. It was just grass, bumps and speakers, but it had a playground with a train. We would go there in my dad's convertible. He would park backwards. Then we would all run to the playground and play til the movie started. Of course that was when my family could see. Ah good times.........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg611190#msg611190


ALWAYS 1
Sherdian Lanes many a time. I live at 7lst and Yale

AMF Sheridan Lanes
3121 S Sheridan Rd, Tulsa, OK

ALWAYS 1 posted:
Yes in Tulsa, thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4517.msg668791#msg668791

ALWAYS1 posted:
Reply #1621 on: June 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Morning all it's ONLY 75 degrees in Tulsa today and raining!!!! I am a happy camper!!! Klaasend I hope you and hubby are better!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg855626#msg855626

ALWAYS1 posted
Reply #624 on: February 25, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Its 67 degrees in balmy Tulsa Oklahoma. I have my window open, my closet is neat, my tummy is full, life is good!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4599.msg691324#msg691324


Mark Purcell - Aruba/Yorba Linda,California/Texas/Florida
Matt Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
Trenda Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
DH aka Always1 - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK



SS
 posted:
#238 on: March 15, 2008, 01:12:56 PM
Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly. I lived in Oklahoma for years and those
tornadoes are not to be fooled with. Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please
gather your tribe and go
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg365518#msg365518

SS posted:
June 21, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, in Oklahoma

ss replies
I lived there for many years - Norman and Edmond. I went to OU
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.msg391933#msg391933

OU-
4502 E. 41st Street
Tulsa, OK 74135-2512[/u]
(918) 660-3000


(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6447/markpurcellemailedcapsl.jpg)

THIS PERSON EMAILED CAPSLOCKWIZARD
it belongs to none other then MARK PURCELL.


(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7987/emailtocaps.jpg)


HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT?

ANSWER: From the referring URL in the second person information.
They came straight from their email account


AND

Anita, posting under Medley's current nic (billybob) at RU and she has been
at SM too many times!!!

Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Pos Chikito



Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
 Dave's contact in Aruba is MARK PUCELL!

Kawish Miser
RV aka Capslockwizard
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Mark Purcell
ANITA van der Sloot

Mark Purcell posted on rjames site where he first started posting that
he lives 1/4 mile from the van der sloots.

Mark Purcell gets Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to search the POND
based on Capslockwizard. Kathy Drenga sends Caps to John Silvetti.
So now John Silvetti gets involved along with Tim Miller who is already involved.

Anita and Mark Purcell are members of Robin Holloways website BFN BNH
along with Reality who is Mark Purcells' friend.

Edit per Kermit.








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 04:16:40 PM
Why is Mark Purcell so vested in the Holloway case?Inquiring minds want to know! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
On Mark Purcells facebook friends:

Matt Purcell
Oklahoma City, Ok

AND

Trenda Purcell
Oklahoma City, OK



Matt H Purcell 42
Oklahoma City, OK
Tulsa, OK
Choctaw, OK
Broken Arrow, OK

RELATIVES
Matthew H Purcell
Melissa A Purcell
Trenda Elizabeth Purcell
Renda E Purcell


ALWAYS1 postedRe: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #13 12/16 -
Reply #178 on: January 03, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
That was neat, but sad, thank you. When I was little, my uncle owned one of the old theaters down town. We used to get dropped off there, but we had to stay all day until he got off work. It had a balcony and a downstairs. We had to choose where we were going to sit and stay there. No running around. We were allowed two things from the concession stand. It was a wonderful place. All burgandy curtains. When you sat down, and the lights went down, the burgendy curtains would part, then the see thru ones, then the cartoon would start... When the Christmas prarade came to town, my cousins and I would go to the windows and watch it go by. My Grandfather owned the drivein movie in Broken Arrow. It was just grass, bumps and speakers, but it had a playground with a train. We would go there in my dad's convertible. He would park backwards. Then we would all run to the playground and play til the movie started. Of course that was when my family could see. Ah good times.........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg611190#msg611190


ALWAYS 1
Sherdian Lanes many a time. I live at 7lst and Yale

AMF Sheridan Lanes
3121 S Sheridan Rd, Tulsa, OK

ALWAYS 1 posted:
Yes in Tulsa, thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4517.msg668791#msg668791

ALWAYS1 posted:
Reply #1621 on: June 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Morning all it's ONLY 75 degrees in Tulsa today and raining!!!! I am a happy camper!!! Klaasend I hope you and hubby are better!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg855626#msg855626

ALWAYS1 posted
Reply #624 on: February 25, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Its 67 degrees in balmy Tulsa Oklahoma. I have my window open, my closet is neat, my tummy is full, life is good!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4599.msg691324#msg691324


Mark Purcell - Aruba/Yorba Linda,California/Texas/Florida
Matt Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
Trenda Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
DH aka Always1 - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK



SS
 posted:
#238 on: March 15, 2008, 01:12:56 PM
Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly. I lived in Oklahoma for years and those
tornadoes are not to be fooled with. Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please
gather your tribe and go
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg365518#msg365518

SS posted:
June 21, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, in Oklahoma

ss replies
I lived there for many years - Norman and Edmond. I went to OU
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.msg391933#msg391933

OU-
4502 E. 41st Street
Tulsa, OK 74135-2512[/u]
(918) 660-3000


(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6447/markpurcellemailedcapsl.jpg)

THIS PERSON EMAILED CAPSLOCKWIZARD
it belongs to none other then MARK PURCELL.


(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7987/emailtocaps.jpg)


HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT?

ANSWER: From the referring URL in the second person information.
They came straight from their email account


AND

Anita, posting under Medley's current nic (billybob) at RU and she has been
at SM too many times!!!

Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Pos Chikito



Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
 Dave's contact in Aruba is MARK PUCELL!

Kawish Miser
RV aka Capslockwizard
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Mark Purcell
ANITA van der Sloot

Mark Purcell posted on rjames site where he first started posting that
he lives 1/4 mile from the van der sloots.

Mark Purcell gets Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to search the POND
based on Capslockwizard. Kathy Drenga sends Caps to John Silvetti.
So now John Silvetti gets involved along with Tim Miller who is already involved.

Anita and Mark Purcell are members of Robin Holloways website BFN BNH
along with Reality who is Mark Purcells' friend.

Edit per Kermit.


THE ULTIMATE BETRAYAL OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY!!

 ::MonkeyMad::

Thank you Kermit.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 04:30:56 PM
Why is Mark Purcell so vested in the Holloway case?Inquiring minds want to know! ::MonkeyCool::


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 04:33:39 PM
Why is Mark Purcell so vested in the Holloway case?Inquiring minds want to know! ::MonkeyCool::


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


LOGIC DICTATES SOMEONE IS UP TO NO GOOD! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 04:49:29 PM
Why is Mark Purcell so vested in the Holloway case?Inquiring minds want to know! ::MonkeyCool::


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


LOGIC DICTATES SOMEONE IS UP TO NO GOOD! ::MonkeyNoNo::

When Michelle posted the above comment to her blog following the enfamous Robin Holloway post submitted to BFN ... the hinky meter indicaters reached red for all those who made an exodus from BFN and became either Natalee's Freebirds or Monkeys.

Inquiring minds want to know why Dave and Robin Holloway's hinky meters did not register.  Were those meters turned off and ... not even turned on when they BOTH  were informed through their respective email accounts of Mark Purcell's despicable posts to internet forums ... despicable posts that left no doubt that this man had an Aruban agenda.

Janet

 

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 21, 2009, 04:54:18 PM
Broken Arrow site, Demographics page:

http://www.brokenarrowok.gov/Index.aspx?page=188


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 05:04:15 PM
Why is Mark Purcell so vested in the Holloway case?Inquiring minds want to know! ::MonkeyCool::


August 30, 2006
ARE ALL BLOGS CREATED EQUAL? THE FINAL CHAPTER
By Meri, Aruban Boycott Contributor


There is a poster on the Internet who goes by the handle MIP6. He has posted on several different sites, blogs and message boards. MIP6's true name is Mark Purcell and he is the Director of Operations for The Aruba Marriott Hotel. His wife Marlene Purcell is a member of the Aruban Tourist Board and they are both friends and partners of Julia Renfro.

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2006/08/are-all-blogs-created-equal-final.html


LOGIC DICTATES SOMEONE IS UP TO NO GOOD! ::MonkeyNoNo::

When Michelle posted the above comment to her blog following the enfamous Robin Holloway post submitted to BFN ... the hinky meter indicaters reached red for all those who made an exodus from BFN and became either Natalee's Freebirds or Monkeys.

Inquiring minds want to know why Dave and Robin Holloway's hinky meters did not register.  Were those meters turned off and ... not even turned on when they BOTH  were informed through their respective email accounts of Mark Purcell's despicable posts to internet forums ... despicable posts that left no doubt that this man had an Aruban agenda.

Janet

 

 

And still aren't registering.Why would these relationship's with American Traitors continue and be fostered after knowing,who these posters are,and how they've spoken about Beth & Natalee..KTF just doesn't get it! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 05:07:36 PM

Inquiring minds want to know way Dave and Robin Holloway's hinky meter indicators have not registered red in over three years ... has not registered red since their connection for Mark Purcell.

I have gone through so many emotions in regard to this topic.  There was disbelief to begin with.  Then there was sadness.  Now I am so angry.

I consider this relationship with the enemy as an ultimate betrayal to Natalee.  The enemy they have embraced has been part of the Aruban disinformation campaign that has prevented justice from prevailing since the getgo.

Robin Holloway gave Michelle/Meri h--- for revealing the truth.

Janet

++++++


DAVE AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH JULIA RENFRO, MARK PURCELL AND DEBBIE (BFN).

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.
 
As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
 
For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 05:25:19 PM
Magnolia
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #822 7/28/09 -
« Reply #1648 on: August 07, 2009, 07:28:03 PM
»

I have thought a lot about Dave and Robin and their associations with the likes of Mark Purcell,
Julia Renfro and others on Aruba.
I can think of no logical reason that it would be beneficial to the recovery of Natalee's remains
for them to continue these associations.
They know, without question, what these people have said and done against Natalee and Beth and even
Dave, for that matter.
If these people know where Natalee's remains are and wanted to help the family, they would have
disclosed what they know by now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5676.msg903837#msg903837


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 05:28:30 PM
klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 06:31:41 PM
On Mark Purcells facebook friends:

Matt Purcell
Oklahoma City, Ok

AND

Trenda Purcell
Oklahoma City, OK



Matt H Purcell 42
Oklahoma City, OK
Tulsa, OK
Choctaw, OK
Broken Arrow, OK

RELATIVES
Matthew H Purcell
Melissa A Purcell
Trenda Elizabeth Purcell
Renda E Purcell


ALWAYS1 postedRe: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #13 12/16 -
Reply #178 on: January 03, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
That was neat, but sad, thank you. When I was little, my uncle owned one of the old theaters down town. We used to get dropped off there, but we had to stay all day until he got off work. It had a balcony and a downstairs. We had to choose where we were going to sit and stay there. No running around. We were allowed two things from the concession stand. It was a wonderful place. All burgandy curtains. When you sat down, and the lights went down, the burgendy curtains would part, then the see thru ones, then the cartoon would start... When the Christmas prarade came to town, my cousins and I would go to the windows and watch it go by. My Grandfather owned the drivein movie in Broken Arrow. It was just grass, bumps and speakers, but it had a playground with a train. We would go there in my dad's convertible. He would park backwards. Then we would all run to the playground and play til the movie started. Of course that was when my family could see. Ah good times.........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg611190#msg611190


ALWAYS 1
Sherdian Lanes many a time. I live at 7lst and Yale

AMF Sheridan Lanes
3121 S Sheridan Rd, Tulsa, OK

ALWAYS 1 posted:
Yes in Tulsa, thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4517.msg668791#msg668791

ALWAYS1 posted:
Reply #1621 on: June 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Morning all it's ONLY 75 degrees in Tulsa today and raining!!!! I am a happy camper!!! Klaasend I hope you and hubby are better!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg855626#msg855626

ALWAYS1 posted
Reply #624 on: February 25, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Its 67 degrees in balmy Tulsa Oklahoma. I have my window open, my closet is neat, my tummy is full, life is good!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4599.msg691324#msg691324


Mark Purcell - Aruba/Yorba Linda,California/Texas/Florida
Matt Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
Trenda Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
DH aka Always1 - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK



SS
 posted:
#238 on: March 15, 2008, 01:12:56 PM
Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly. I lived in Oklahoma for years and those
tornadoes are not to be fooled with. Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please
gather your tribe and go
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg365518#msg365518

SS posted:
June 21, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, in Oklahoma

ss replies
I lived there for many years - Norman and Edmond. I went to OU
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.msg391933#msg391933

OU-
4502 E. 41st Street
Tulsa, OK 74135-2512[/u]
(918) 660-3000


(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6447/markpurcellemailedcapsl.jpg)

THIS PERSON EMAILED CAPSLOCKWIZARD
it belongs to none other then MARK PURCELL.


(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7987/emailtocaps.jpg)


HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT?

ANSWER: From the referring URL in the second person information.
They came straight from their email account


AND

Anita, posting under Medley's current nic (billybob) at RU and she has been
at SM too many times!!!

Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Pos Chikito



Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
 Dave's contact in Aruba is MARK PUCELL!

Kawish Miser
RV aka Capslockwizard
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Mark Purcell
ANITA van der Sloot

Mark Purcell posted on rjames site where he first started posting that
he lives 1/4 mile from the van der sloots.

Mark Purcell gets Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to search the POND
based on Capslockwizard. Kathy Drenga sends Caps to John Silvetti.
So now John Silvetti gets involved along with Tim Miller who is already involved.

Anita and Mark Purcell are members of Robin Holloways website BFN BNH
along with Reality who is Mark Purcells' friend.

Edit per Kermit.



Thank you Kermit. 

Infuriating and sickening to say the least!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 06:43:33 PM
texasmom

I do believe that our little laughing girl may be what we both need right now.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 06:54:52 PM
texasmom

I do believe that our little laughing girl may be what we both need right now.

Janet

I agree Janet!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2009, 06:58:57 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 07:05:45 PM
texasmom

I do believe that our little laughing girl may be what we both need right now.

Janet

I agree Janet!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 07:06:22 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Hi Magnolia!  That's why they all detest Kermit, they know their devious activities will be found out!

Kermit rocks!   ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyCool::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 07:14:20 PM
Who woulda thunk a Muppet could get their panties in a bunch?A Muppet... ::MonkeyTease::


It's the Muppet Show with our Very Special Guest Star,Justice For Natalee Holloway

It's time to play the music
It's time to light the lights
t's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.

It's time to put on makeup
It's time to dress up right
It's time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 07:21:42 PM


  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 07:24:44 PM

That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Magnolia

It was not until Jen posted the following contradictions that I had a clue A1 was deceptive.  Considering she seldom posted on the Natalee Holloway forum since returning from C&G ... I did not make the any connection between A1 and the trolls who were part of the misinformation campaign encompassing the ATA/AHATA.

Kermit has amazing insight and comprehension regarding the words of posters that may imply an Aruban connection.

Janet

+++++++

Always 1
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #889 on: May 08, 2008, 05:36:12 PM »


I am a lifelong Computer Anaylst, we tend to communicate in terse, simple sentances, this has always gotten me into trouble...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380017;topicseen#msg380017


Always 1
Re: MONKEY MUSINGS DAILY OPEN DISCUSSION #44 7/07/09 -
« Reply #1634 on: July 09, 2009, 07:03:44 PM »

 
Ok, I have sent the texts I received that nite to Klaasend. She can judge me and know I am telling the truth about all it.  That is really all that important to me right now that she knows I am telling the truth.  She knows I am not computer savvy and would not know how to make texts with the right time, ims or whatever to tell a story.  She is probably reading them right now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5557.msg871716;topicseen#msg871716


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 07:29:29 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Hi Magnolia!  That's why they all detest Kermit, they know their devious activities will be found out!

Kermit rocks!   ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyCool::




Is Kermit saying that always1 is a relative of Mark Purcell?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 07:35:04 PM

That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Magnolia

It was not until Jen posted the following contradictions that I had a clue A1 was deceptive.  Considering she seldom posted on the Natalee Holloway forum since returning from C&G ... I did not make the any connection between A1 and the trolls who were part of the misinformation campaign encompassing the ATA/AHATA.

Kermit has amazing insight and comprehension regarding the words of posters that may imply an Aruban connection.

Janet

+++++++

Always 1
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #889 on: May 08, 2008, 05:36:12 PM »


I am a lifelong Computer Anaylst, we tend to communicate in terse, simple sentances, this has always gotten me into trouble...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380017;topicseen#msg380017


Always 1
Re: MONKEY MUSINGS DAILY OPEN DISCUSSION #44 7/07/09 -
« Reply #1634 on: July 09, 2009, 07:03:44 PM »

 
Ok, I have sent the texts I received that nite to Klaasend. She can judge me and know I am telling the truth about all it.  That is really all that important to me right now that she knows I am telling the truth.  She knows I am not computer savvy and would not know how to make texts with the right time, ims or whatever to tell a story.  She is probably reading them right now.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5557.msg871716;topicseen#msg871716

If I recall, always 1 came rather late to the Natalee thread and I think I remember her stating that she was not very knowledgeable about the case.
ICBW.
Why did she get so caught up with Dolce in the Caylee thread?  Was she just trying to establish herself as a trust worthy poster?  Oh was it all a big game to her?!  I don't get it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 07:46:56 PM
I don't have the analytical skills Kermit does but Always1 was someone I never could put any trust in.  I don't know what it was but most of the time it was a game to her here at SM and she mostly used it as a social network (a way to meet the men). 

I remember when she was trying to locate Rob by using an IP address to find out where he was.  Was she gathering information on certain SM members from the beginning and passing that info onto the enemies of Natalee and Beth? 

I felt really uncomfortable when she encouraged people to post their pictures her on SM or when she would question where you lived.

She was a strange one for sure.  JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2009, 07:49:57 PM
DON'T MISS - TONIGHT ON DANA PRETZER!
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 07:50:43 PM
Keepthefaith

THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!

When that final curtain is raised and ... the lines are read ... not one cue will be missed and ... the truth will be revealed.

Aruban history is going to reveal that a corrupt investigation riddled with conflicts of interest dictated that justice did not prevail under Dutch law for an eighteen year old American named Natalee Holloway.

However ... justice will ultimately prevail.  The Judge of all judges Who knows every heart will will be on his throne and ... He will not be mocked.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 21, 2009, 07:54:53 PM
Keepthefaith

THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!

When that final curtain is raised and ... the lines are read ... not one cue will be missed and ... the truth will be revealed.

Aruban history is going to reveal that a corrupt investigation riddled with conflicts of interest dictated that justice did not prevail under Dutch law for an eighteen year old American named Natalee Holloway.

However ... justice will ultimately prevail.  The Judge of all judges Who knows every heart will will be on his throne and ... He will not be mocked.

 ::MonkeyGavel::

Janet



THE SHOW IS ABOUT TO BEGIN... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 07:59:05 PM
I don't have the analytical skills Kermit does but Always1 was someone I never could put any trust in.  I don't know what it was but most of the time it was a game to her here at SM and she mostly used it as a social network (a way to meet the men). 

I remember when she was trying to locate Rob by using an IP address to find out where he was.  Was she gathering information on certain SM members from the beginning and passing that info onto the enemies of Natalee and Beth? 

I felt really uncomfortable when she encouraged people to post their pictures her on SM or when she would question where you lived.

She was a strange one for sure.  JMO


Thanks for your response Blue Moon.  I too feel it unwise to post self portrait pic's here.  GHoodness knows Klaas has warned us often enough.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 21, 2009, 08:12:32 PM
Is this "Tick Tock" time?

So far I am right along with Kermit's information ~ except...was AvdS here often? or here and posting?
If posting, I would love to see what she had to say.

It is unbelievable what these people have done to cover up this crime.

Thanks to anyone who is digging through the dirt to get to the bottom. 

Going to get some popcorn...                                                                       ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2009, 08:13:34 PM
I don't have the analytical skills Kermit does but Always1 was someone I never could put any trust in.  I don't know what it was but most of the time it was a game to her here at SM and she mostly used it as a social network (a way to meet the men). 

I remember when she was trying to locate Rob by using an IP address to find out where he was.  Was she gathering information on certain SM members from the beginning and passing that info onto the enemies of Natalee and Beth? 

I felt really uncomfortable when she encouraged people to post their pictures her on SM or when she would question where you lived.

She was a strange one for sure.  JMO



BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2009, 08:14:56 PM
Did someone say "tick tock"? 


(http://bestsmileys.com/clocks/3.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 08:15:02 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Hi Magnolia!  That's why they all detest Kermit, they know their devious activities will be found out!

Kermit rocks!   ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyCool::




Is Kermit saying that always1 is a relative of Mark Purcell?

can

I don't think so but ... I could be wrong.  Maybe Kermit could clarify.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 08:16:53 PM
Is this "Tick Tock" time?

So far I am right along with Kermit's information ~ except...was AvdS here often? or here and posting?
If posting, I would love to see what she had to say.

It is unbelievable what these people have done to cover up this crime.

Thanks to anyone who is digging through the dirt to get to the bottom. 

Going to get some popcorn...                                                                       ::MonkeyBike::
I hope Kermit returns tonight, so we can ask.   It looks like Avds just looked, but I am not sure and would be really interested to know if she posted and what she posted. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

MuffyBee

I agree.  However ... now I believe it was her strategy.  It worked.  This wannabe detective never clued in.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 08:20:44 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Hi Magnolia!  That's why they all detest Kermit, they know their devious activities will be found out!

Kermit rocks!   ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyCool::




Is Kermit saying that always1 is a relative of Mark Purcell?

can

I don't think so but ... I could be wrong.  Maybe Kermit could clarify.

Janet


Thanks Janet.  Maybe I should rephrase . . . a relative or cohort . . . ?
If not, then is it merely coincidence?! ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 08:25:25 PM

Thanks Janet.  Maybe I should rephrase . . . a relative or cohort . . . ?
If not, then is it merely coincidence?! ::MonkeyDevil2::

can

I believe it is one or the other.

There definitely appears to be a connection in regards to location.  I do not think it is a coincidence.

I am off for a bit.

Later Monkeys

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 08:27:57 PM
BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

MuffyBee

I agree.  However ... now I believe it was her strategy.  It worked.  This wannabe detective never clued in.

Janet


Information gathering via flirtation . . . but not all fellows feel comfortable
with such a method, maybe just the kind she knows in real life.   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2009, 08:31:53 PM
BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

MuffyBee

I agree.  However ... now I believe it was her strategy.  It worked.  This wannabe detective never clued in.

Janet


Always1 even tried to pin down where I lived.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 08:32:06 PM

Thanks Janet.  Maybe I should rephrase . . . a relative or cohort . . . ?
If not, then is it merely coincidence?! ::MonkeyDevil2::

can

I believe it is one or the other.

There definitely appears to be a connection in regards to location.  I do not think it is a coincidence.

I am off for a bit.

Later Monkeys

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 08:35:18 PM
BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

MuffyBee

I agree.  However ... now I believe it was her strategy.  It worked.  This wannabe detective never clued in.

Janet


Always1 even tried to pin down where I lived.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

She did?!!    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 21, 2009, 08:43:14 PM
I've not had any one else ask me specifically if I lived in a particular city in my four years here at SM, except Always 1. And no, I didn't live in the city she was trying to guess.  I think if I remember correctly, I just ignored her questions about that.   Why would anyone want to know?  I guess they could just be creepy and post it on the net or something.   Unless she was just going around asking everyone, so it wouldn't seem like she was zeroing in on certain people. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 08:52:42 PM
I don't have the analytical skills Kermit does but Always1 was someone I never could put any trust in.  I don't know what it was but most of the time it was a game to her here at SM and she mostly used it as a social network (a way to meet the men). 

I remember when she was trying to locate Rob by using an IP address to find out where he was.  Was she gathering information on certain SM members from the beginning and passing that info onto the enemies of Natalee and Beth? 

I felt really uncomfortable when she encouraged people to post their pictures her on SM or when she would question where you lived.

She was a strange one for sure.  JMO



BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

In hindsight I see where it was stalking.  I was amazed when she pulled that one.  It looked desperate to me.  Now looking back on it she was stalking Rob and now with Kermits postings today it makes sense.  Have to remember also that she wanted to find out who Kermit was and went as far as saying she knew an fbi guy who could find out. 

And YES someone did say tick tock.   ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 08:57:52 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:05:02 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 21, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
HI everyone,

Wow, Klaas has been busy with the monkey icons!    ::MonkeyCheer2:: It's been a while since I posted.

I see that Kermit has connected the dots to A1........not surprised at all.  My take from Kermit's post that A1 is one of the Purcell gang.  ::MonkeyMad::   

I remember the time A1 tried to flirt with Kermit.... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDevil2::

And it was always stalking Wreck.  Sorry, Wreck.......but it was kinda funny to watch. 

I'm guessing the Italian with the Guinness World record smallest twins will be connected.  Didn't A1 feign disillusionment over that situation and leave post haste?  There's probably a story there. ::MonkeyJnBox::

Great work Kermit.

I've been swinging by and checking in .....the faithful ones are always here.

Hang in there monkeys............the truth will come.   ::MonkeyGavel::

Since I'm not posting much, I had to use allllll the emoticons! ::MonkeyTease::

   



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:15:00 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Kermit, how long did it take to figure this one out?  Has it been from the beginning or was it when she posted at GM?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:15:58 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

Hi Magnolia!  That's why they all detest Kermit, they know their devious activities will be found out!

Kermit rocks!   ::MonkeyDance::
 ::MonkeyCool::




Is Kermit saying that always1 is a relative of Mark Purcell?

can

I don't think so but ... I could be wrong.  Maybe Kermit could clarify.

Janet


Thanks Janet.  Maybe I should rephrase . . . a relative or cohort . . . ?
If not, then is it merely coincidence?! ::MonkeyDevil2::

I find it very odd that they are both from the same towns/cities.

In regards to Anita, I've watched her come & go at SM several times.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:16:28 PM
Another thing Kermit, did Anita post here or did she "visit" here often?  I know we caught some posting using others names I just wonder if Anita did that also.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:17:24 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Kermit, how long did it take to figure this one out?  Has it been from the beginning or was it when she posted at GM?

Lets just say I was well aware of her since she posted at CnG and what she was up to, in spite of her asking for my forgiveness.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:19:25 PM
Another thing Kermit, did Anita post here or did she "visit" here often?  I know we caught some posting using others names I just wonder if Anita did that also.

I was merely watching the IP and someone set a trap, so that is how we were able to get that information when she showed up. Then I just sat back and watched. And I had some helpers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
I hope these revelations shows Dave and Robin, Debbie and any others what happens when you trust unsavory characters from Aruba.

Mark Percell is as low life as Renho and Reality.  A TRUE American traitor.  How could they do that to Natalee and Beth and Dave?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:23:18 PM
Another thing Kermit, did Anita post here or did she "visit" here often?  I know we caught some posting using others names I just wonder if Anita did that also.

I was merely watching the IP and someone set a trap, so that is how we were able to get that information when she showed up. Then I just sat back and watched. And I had some helpers.

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:25:19 PM
I've not had any one else ask me specifically if I lived in a particular city in my four years here at SM, except Always 1. And no, I didn't live in the city she was trying to guess.  I think if I remember correctly, I just ignored her questions about that.   Why would anyone want to know?  I guess they could just be creepy and post it on the net or something.   Unless she was just going around asking everyone, so it wouldn't seem like she was zeroing in on certain people. 

I have an email that someone sent to me which showed me that Always1 (DH) was on the phone calling Destiny and Star aka mrskub. Remember, Destiny was the one contacting LE in Aruba.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 09:29:31 PM
Kermit - Alway1 (DH) - what does the "(DH)" mean?  tia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 09:30:09 PM
I don't have the analytical skills Kermit does but Always1 was someone I never could put any trust in.  I don't know what it was but most of the time it was a game to her here at SM and she mostly used it as a social network (a way to meet the men). 

I remember when she was trying to locate Rob by using an IP address to find out where he was.  Was she gathering information on certain SM members from the beginning and passing that info onto the enemies of Natalee and Beth? 

I felt really uncomfortable when she encouraged people to post their pictures her on SM or when she would question where you lived.

She was a strange one for sure.  JMO



BBM
Always1  was constantly asking questions, trying to act like she was a bit ditsy and just a little nosey and chatting about this and that.  I think it was information gathering.   I remember that fiasco about when she was trying to locate Rob by IP.  It didn't sound like a flirtation to me, but downright stalking.   ::MonkeyMad::

I agree, and I didn't buy the ditsy bit either!   ::MonkeyNoNo::
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 09:37:38 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 09:39:08 PM
I miss Carpe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:42:54 PM
On Mark Purcells facebook friends:

Matt Purcell
Oklahoma City, Ok

AND

Trenda Purcell
Oklahoma City, OK



Matt H Purcell 42
Oklahoma City, OK
Tulsa, OK
Choctaw, OK
Broken Arrow, OK

RELATIVES
Matthew H Purcell
Melissa A Purcell
Trenda Elizabeth Purcell
Renda E Purcell


ALWAYS1 postedRe: Monkey Musings Daily Open Discussion #13 12/16 -
Reply #178 on: January 03, 2009, 04:41:08 PM
That was neat, but sad, thank you. When I was little, my uncle owned one of the old theaters down town. We used to get dropped off there, but we had to stay all day until he got off work. It had a balcony and a downstairs. We had to choose where we were going to sit and stay there. No running around. We were allowed two things from the concession stand. It was a wonderful place. All burgandy curtains. When you sat down, and the lights went down, the burgendy curtains would part, then the see thru ones, then the cartoon would start... When the Christmas prarade came to town, my cousins and I would go to the windows and watch it go by. My Grandfather owned the drivein movie in Broken Arrow. It was just grass, bumps and speakers, but it had a playground with a train. We would go there in my dad's convertible. He would park backwards. Then we would all run to the playground and play til the movie started. Of course that was when my family could see. Ah good times.........
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4248.msg611190#msg611190


ALWAYS 1
Sherdian Lanes many a time. I live at 7lst and Yale

AMF Sheridan Lanes
3121 S Sheridan Rd, Tulsa, OK

ALWAYS 1 posted:
Yes in Tulsa, thank you.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4517.msg668791#msg668791

ALWAYS1 posted:
Reply #1621 on: June 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Morning all it's ONLY 75 degrees in Tulsa today and raining!!!! I am a happy camper!!! Klaasend I hope you and hubby are better!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5233.msg855626#msg855626

ALWAYS1 posted
Reply #624 on: February 25, 2009, 07:27:22 PM
Its 67 degrees in balmy Tulsa Oklahoma. I have my window open, my closet is neat, my tummy is full, life is good!!!
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4599.msg691324#msg691324


Mark Purcell - Aruba/Yorba Linda,California/Texas/Florida
Matt Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
Trenda Purcell - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK
DH aka Always1 - Tulsa OK/Broken Arrow OK



SS
 posted:
#238 on: March 15, 2008, 01:12:56 PM
Destiny, Please go to the basement quickly. I lived in Oklahoma for years and those
tornadoes are not to be fooled with. Thirty miles is nothing for a tornado. Please
gather your tribe and go
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg365518#msg365518

SS posted:
June 21, 2008, 07:15:04 PM
Yes, in Oklahoma

ss replies
I lived there for many years - Norman and Edmond. I went to OU
/http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.msg391933#msg391933

OU-
4502 E. 41st Street
Tulsa, OK 74135-2512[/u]
(918) 660-3000


(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6447/markpurcellemailedcapsl.jpg)

THIS PERSON EMAILED CAPSLOCKWIZARD
it belongs to none other then MARK PURCELL.


(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7987/emailtocaps.jpg)


HOW CAN YOU TELL THAT?

ANSWER: From the referring URL in the second person information.
They came straight from their email account


AND

Anita, posting under Medley's current nic (billybob) at RU and she has been
at SM too many times!!!

Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent : South America
Country : Aruba (Facts)
City : Pos Chikito



Dave Holloway told Caps in an email: "I have a contact in Aruba"
 Dave's contact in Aruba is MARK PUCELL!

Kawish Miser
RV aka Capslockwizard
Lorenzo Webb
Geerman
Mark Purcell
ANITA van der Sloot

Mark Purcell posted on rjames site where he first started posting that
he lives 1/4 mile from the van der sloots.

Mark Purcell gets Dave Holloway to come to Aruba to search the POND
based on Capslockwizard. Kathy Drenga sends Caps to John Silvetti.
So now John Silvetti gets involved along with Tim Miller who is already involved.

Anita and Mark Purcell are members of Robin Holloways website BFN BNH
along with Reality who is Mark Purcells' friend.

Edit per Kermit.



LET ME INTRODUCE YOU TO ANITA visitin SM


Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Location Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Pos Chikito

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:43:46 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:44:20 PM
Kermit - Alway1 (DH) - what does the "(DH)" mean?  tia

Her real name initials.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:46:01 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 09:47:53 PM
Kermit - Alway1 (DH) - what does the "(DH)" mean?  tia

Her real name initials.

Thank you Kermit! 
I think some use those initials to refer to their dear husbands lol - so I wondered if her husband/roomate, whatever... was involved.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 09:48:42 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 09:49:12 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

6:45 PM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:49:19 PM
Kermit - Alway1 (DH) - what does the "(DH)" mean?  tia

Her real name initials.

Thank you Kermit! 
I think some use those initials to refer to their dear husbands lol - so I wondered if her husband/roomate, whatever... was involved.

lol  I forgot about that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:50:10 PM
mmmmmmm, Trenda and Renda Purcell.  Wonder if they are twins?  AS in Dolce and her twins.  That would take the cake wouldn't it?  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:50:32 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

6:45 PM PT

It's a code Janet I left for the person who will understand why I posted that.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 21, 2009, 09:50:34 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 09:53:06 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

6:45 PM PT

It's a code Janet I left for the person who will understand why I posted that.
 ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:54:31 PM
mmmmmmm, Trenda and Renda Purcell.  Wonder if they are twins?  AS in Dolce and her twins.  That would take the cake wouldn't it?  ::MonkeyMad::

What is sad is all the money Dave and the guy who fronted the money for that pond search were duped by these people helping Aruba.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 09:55:49 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

6:45 PM PT

It's a code Janet I left for the person who will understand why I posted that.
 ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyJnBox::
hotping - perfect icon!!! - for the silent one.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 09:57:22 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

6:45 PM PT

It's a code Janet I left for the person who will understand why I posted that.
 ::MonkeyCool::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyJnBox::
hotping - perfect icon!!! - for the silent one.
  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 09:57:24 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

She use to sit here and really go after wreck constantly telling him to call her or email her.
For all I knew back at that time, they had something going.
Then I saw her posts at CnG and I knew what she was up too.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 09:57:26 PM
mmmmmmm, Trenda and Renda Purcell.  Wonder if they are twins?  AS in Dolce and her twins.  That would take the cake wouldn't it?  ::MonkeyMad::

What is sad is all the money Dave and the guy who fronted the money for that pond search were duped by these people helping Aruba.



It is sad BUT Dave should have known better.  But then again I believe any parent would go to those lengths to find their daughter.  What really burns me is fata$$ Anita sitting back and laughing at Dave and Beth and her murdering son is walking around free. 

I wonder if Anita has enlisted the help of her youngest son on the internet?  That child is another Joran waiting to happen.  He needs help.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2009, 09:57:46 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

Kermit it is 8:45 PM  Alabama Time! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 21, 2009, 09:58:38 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

I have received an email from Always1.  She says she doesn't know of any Marc Purcell living in the Tulsa area.  She's not familiar with him and there are almost 400,000 in the Tulsa area and about 78,000 in the Broken Arrow area.  She doesn't know everyone.

I'm just relaying what she said to me via email.

I'm wondering why she wastes her time using a proxy to read here?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 09:58:54 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 09:59:59 PM
mmmmmmm, Trenda and Renda Purcell.  Wonder if they are twins?  AS in Dolce and her twins.  That would take the cake wouldn't it?  ::MonkeyMad::
I'm almost positive that Renda is a nic for Trenda...making them the same person....JMO 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 10:00:23 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

NOW that's funny Janet.   ::MonkeyGavel::   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 10:01:06 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

She use to sit here and really go after wreck constantly telling him to call her or email her.
For all I knew back at that time, they had something going.

Then I saw her posts at CnG and I knew what she was up too.



I KNOW!  I was thinking....NOOOOOOO wreck!  Don't do it!!!!  Stay away!

REGNAD!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 21, 2009, 10:02:05 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

I have received an email from Always1.  She says she doesn't know of any Marc Purcell living in the Tulsa area.  She's not familiar with him and there are almost 400,000 in the Tulsa area and about 78,000 in the Broken Arrow area.  She doesn't know everyone.

I'm just relaying what she said to me via email.

I'm wondering why she wastes her time using a proxy to read here?

Thanks Klaas.  That quick response is interesting.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 10:03:25 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 10:04:32 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)

Oh TM I have missed our little laughing girl.  She makes me smile.   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:04:47 PM
Note the search words Anita was checking on
 
 
[<<]  [>>]
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Pos Chikito
Lat/Long:12.45, -69.95 (Map)
Search Words lifetime holloway comments

Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys...ruba-since-may-2005/
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys...ruba-since-may-2005/
Out Click
Time Zone
UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Apr 21 2009 3:51:02 pm
Visit Number 17,547,523



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:06:14 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Kermit and Miss Piggy are the REAL deal Ms. Janet and not in a lesbian way.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 10:06:51 PM
Note the search words Anita was checking on
 
 
[<<]  [>>]
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Pos Chikito
Lat/Long:12.45, -69.95 (Map)
Search Words lifetime holloway comments

Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys...ruba-since-may-2005/
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys...ruba-since-may-2005/
Out Click
Time Zone
UTC-5:00
Visitor's Time Apr 21 2009 3:51:02 pm
Visit Number 17,547,523


Interesting...... ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:09:06 PM
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
ISP Setarnet
Continent:South America
Country:Aruba  (Facts)
City:Pos Chikito
Lat/Long:12.45, -69.95 (Map)
Referring URL http://www.google.co...s&btnG=Google Search
Search Engine google.com
Search Words scaredmonleys
Visit Entry Page http://scaredmonkeys.com/
Visit Exit Page http://scaredmonkeys.com/
Visitor's Time Apr 20 2009 10:14:28 pm
Visit Number 17,532,071


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:10:02 PM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

Kermit it is 8:45 PM  Alabama Time! ::MonkeyJnBox::
Thank you Miss Magnolia.
My buddy thanks you too.
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 10:11:38 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Keepthefaith was getting more than his share of hugs and kisses from Tamikosmom before I found out he was a boy monkey.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I am sure we were the talk of the cage behind the scenes.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Kermit and Miss Piggy are the REAL deal Ms. Janet and not in a lesbian way.
 ::MonkeyCool::

See there Janet!  It's all good! 
 
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:13:13 PM
I'm off to enjoy Friday night!
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 10:13:58 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Kermit and Miss Piggy are the REAL deal Ms. Janet and not in a lesbian way.
 ::MonkeyCool::

Now I am confused.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Keepthefaith was getting more than his share of hugs and kisses from Tamikosmom before I found out he was a boy monkey.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I am sure we were the talk of the cage behind the scenes.

Janet
 

I remember that. I figured better that Veggie did not know. heh heh



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 10:14:55 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Keepthefaith was getting more than his share of hugs and kisses from Tamikosmom before I found out he was a boy monkey.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I am sure we were the talk of the cage behind the scenes.

Janet
 

No talking behind the scenes by me Janet, I was just as shocked as you were!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2009, 10:16:32 PM
I'm off to enjoy Friday night!
 ::MonkeyBike::

Hugs to Piggy.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 21, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
I'm off to enjoy Friday night!
 ::MonkeyBike::

Hugs to Piggy.


She is going to get chocolate mousse cheesecake tonight.
She won't care I flirt with Miss Magnolia.
 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 21, 2009, 10:19:37 PM
 ::MonkeyCheer4::   ::MonkeyCheer4::    ::MonkeyCheer4::   Great job Kermit and Monkeys.
Tick Tock, Tick Tock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!       ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 10:20:07 PM
Good Night Kermit

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 10:20:20 PM
I Hope You have a Wonderful Weekend Kermit!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 10:31:03 PM
ARUBA

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61336.php

Google translation:

The Battle of San Nicolas

August 21, 2009, 14:19 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/21-aruba-snapp-_ar_-21-08-0.gif)

Moderator Clyde Burke keeps the political debate on the rails during the first night of Snapp.


SAN NICOLAS - A well stocked Club Bonaire in San Nicolas was the first debate held last night in a series of debates between all candidates from San Nicolas. The initiative is the organization of San Nicolas Political Awareness Project (Snapp), with the helmsman known calypsonian Anthony Gario. They believe that the past should follow the usual campaign promises to the people of San Nicolas and San Nicolas on candidates from their own district to vote.

our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

The idea is simple: put all the candidates from San Nicolas of all parties participating in elections, and let them each a couple questions. Questions of the organization and questions from the audience reached. Each party was given a few minutes to answer the question. A real ringbel if one party involved in boxing is used, served to mark the end of the time on it. Moderator for the evening was the famous policeman and local personality Clyde Burke.

Blood
Benny Nisbet (PPA) was the only party leader who participated in the debate. Rudy Lampe (RED) was the only one in the room. MEP had two ministers issued Booshi Wever and Edison Briesen. They were assisted by Chris Romero and Judith Charles. ASF were Lorna Varlack, Mike de Meza, Chris Dammers and Melvin Tromp present. Jeanette Hughes, also from San Nicolas, was not the party. PDR had brought a large group, with only three could be said with certainty that they p'ariba di are mobilizing. Thus Randall Croes of PDR in a friendly but urgent manner this out when he took the floor. MPA had a piece or nine men included. Behalf RED Luigi Bergen took the floor and Lawrence Hector was the one on behalf Curpa most often picked up the microphone. MSI had Danny van der Linde, Ricardo Hanuman and Cornelis Wilson issued. Despite the large amount of people at the discussion table and the small regurgitation in the room, this process was anything but chaotic debate, primarily thanks to the moderator. Clyde Burke brought authority, order and humor. Political and personal attacks were not allowed. When Melvin Tromp of ASF in its first speech went over that limit, he noted. When in the hall from supporters of both Booshi Wever (MEP) and AVP things were called to the candidates, Burke said quietly: "You do what with my blood." The room erupted into laughter and the cold was in the air. After the break, when everyone was given the opportunity to stretch your legs here and shake hands, the atmosphere was good.

Sunrise Rock
The main issues that were discussed were the individual views of the parties for San Nicolas, the environmental situation in the refinery and youth. Lawrence of Hector Curpa came three controversial ideas: the port Barcadera need to San Nicolas, the minimum wage should to 2500 florin and those terminally ill through the years have become the outlet of the refinery should reach all former operators compensated become. Booshi Wever (MEP) said that in the neighborhood air quality measurement and shows that this "good". Edison Briesen (MEP) reported that in September a group of investors to build an 18-hole golf course and a five-star hotel near Sero Colorado will announce. Reportedly, this project at the Sunrise Rock New Alex Meyer. Mike de Meza (AVP) argued that the basic facilities in San Nicolas first level should be brought before any further plans can be developed. Luigi Bergen (RED) will of the government center of San Nicolas Island are. But it was - surprisingly - Cornelis Wilson who had been the highlight of the evening. Officially retired politician said that San Nicolas first have to own self-respect had to work at their own candidates to vote. All in all it was a nice prelude to an exciting series of debates. The following takes place on August 27, again in Club Bonaire, eight hours at night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 21, 2009, 10:38:35 PM
Poor ole Wreck.  I do believe always1 was stalking them.  Now that was obvious.  (we love you wreck).   ::MonkeyKiss::

Yes she was stalking wreck, Rob, and Carpe too!   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::

an moi.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

True, but not in the "cat in heat" fashion that she was stalking the others.  JMO   ::MonkeyDevil::

texasmom

There was a time that I thought Kermit and Miss Piggy's relationship was the real thing.  It took me a long time to come to terms with reality.

I miss Miss Piggy.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyShocked::  I am sure Kermit is a boy monkey or frog.

Keepthefaith was getting more than his share of hugs and kisses from Tamikosmom before I found out he was a boy monkey.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

I am sure we were the talk of the cage behind the scenes.

Janet
 

I remember that. I figured better that Veggie did not know. heh heh



I confessed all.  He shook his head, rolled his eyes and then reminded me if Cindy Crawford gave him "the look" he was history.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 21, 2009, 11:01:54 PM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2009, 11:11:13 PM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

We went out for Mexican food, now I'm getting sleepy too!  I'm hoping I'll snap out of it here in a minute...if not I'm right behind you!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 21, 2009, 11:31:04 PM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

We went out for Mexican food, now I'm getting sleepy too!  I'm hoping I'll snap out of it here in a minute...if not I'm right behind you!





TM, you did a really good job of keeping things rolling along here for the last week.
I read every word, but didn't post.  I had surgery and figured I shouldn't post while on
the narcotics.  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 21, 2009, 11:41:35 PM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

We went out for Mexican food, now I'm getting sleepy too!  I'm hoping I'll snap out of it here in a minute...if not I'm right behind you!





TM, you did a really good job of keeping things rolling along here for the last week.
I read every word, but didn't post.  I had surgery and figured I shouldn't post while on
the narcotics.  ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyShocked:: Hi Magnolia...I hope all is better and that You are on the road to recovery.....  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 21, 2009, 11:53:28 PM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

We went out for Mexican food, now I'm getting sleepy too!  I'm hoping I'll snap out of it here in a minute...if not I'm right behind you!





TM, you did a really good job of keeping things rolling along here for the last week.
I read every word, but didn't post.  I had surgery and figured I shouldn't post while on
the narcotics.  ::MonkeyDance::

Dear Magnolia, Hope you're feeling better soon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:02:11 AM
Off to bed. Can't keep my eyes open.  Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

We went out for Mexican food, now I'm getting sleepy too!  I'm hoping I'll snap out of it here in a minute...if not I'm right behind you!





TM, you did a really good job of keeping things rolling along here for the last week.
I read every word, but didn't post.  I had surgery and figured I shouldn't post while on
the narcotics.  ::MonkeyDance::

Thank you for the compliment Magnolia, so nice of you!   ::MonkeyHeart::

I'm sorry that you had to have surgery, I hope you're doing alright now!  You know we wouldn't have minded your posting while on the meds!  But I understand you're not wanting to give the dark side a new topic for discussion. 
 
 ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 12:05:10 AM
Thank ya'll.

I am fine.....you know I am tough as nails. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was just gallbladder surgery.  Nothing to it!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 12:09:44 AM
Good evening good Monkeys....
Nice t see Blue Moon and Janet back in the fold...
Also nice to see all Kermit is uncovering (along with many others) wrt the disinformation crew.

My question now....
Let's speculate......where may/will the outing of the disinfo crew/american traitors on the internet actually lead towards gaining Justice for Natalee?
That's our bottom line after all....why I am here anyway...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 12:13:56 AM
By the way...
I'm getting less inclined to give Dave H and Tim M. a pass anymore wrt the company they keep...It PI$$ES me off!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:14:49 AM
Thank ya'll.

I am fine.....you know I am tough as nails. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was just gallbladder surgery.  Nothing to it!

I'm sure it was "nothing" compared to all you've been through.  But please be careful to follow all the doctors instructions so you won't have any complications.  No lifting..etc.
 ::MonkeyCool::
    


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:20:07 AM
Good evening good Monkeys....
Nice t see Blue Moon and Janet back in the fold...
Also nice to see all Kermit is uncovering (along with many others) wrt the disinformation crew.

My question now....
Let's speculate......where may/will the outing of the disinfo crew/american traitors on the internet actually lead towards gaining Justice for Natalee?
That's our bottom line after all....why I am here anyway...

Hi billb!

I do know that one of the main goals of many of those has been to intimidate those of us who expect and demand Justice for Natalee.  They want us to be quiet and go away.  Well they can forget that. 

We're not giving up!
 
::MonkeyJustice:: FOR NATALEE!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 12:20:45 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:27:27 AM
By the way...
I'm getting less inclined to give Dave H and Tim M. a pass anymore wrt the company they keep...It PI$$ES me off!

It does seem at some point THEY would get pissed off at the merry~go~round from hell they've been on thanks to some who have claimed to be "friends" or "helpers".  

Surely by now they've seen the signs that something's not right with those relationships?  

JMO




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:33:24 AM
FIGURE IT OUT!

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!

November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:44 am

Dave made that email public to further bolster his book, remember, “Corruption in Paradise”. His other reason was to continue the hate campaign his ex started and he so whole-heartedly joined into.  He is nothing more than a neutered male version of Beth; I can’t stand any of them.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-21893.html&highlight=#21893


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am

Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 12:34:28 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:35:29 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.

You're right Magnolia.  And all the while they've been trying to shut us up, they are putting bogus information all over the web.  Disgusting videos that claim to be "the other side of the story", it's just sickening.  I spent a few hours late one night watching some of the crap that is out there as "truth" and it's disgusting!  I found it interesting that one of the clips I watched was from the same Dutch show that was also on Persistence.  The show that John Silvetti was interviewed on and showed a lot of footage of his nephew among the crew.
 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 12:37:04 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......

AND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 22, 2009, 12:38:35 AM
Good Night Night Crew....!

Things to munch on tonight.  See you tomorrow......                                      ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:47:01 AM
Good Night Night Crew....!

Things to munch on tonight.  See you tomorrow......                                      ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:48:56 AM
By the way...
I'm getting less inclined to give Dave H and Tim M. a pass anymore wrt the company they keep...It PI$$ES me off!

It does seem at some point THEY would get pissed off at the merry~go~round from hell they've been on thanks to some who have claimed to be "friends" or "helpers".
  
Surely by now they've seen the signs that something's not right with those relationships?  

JMO



Nope!

When I consider that Debbie's relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway is thisclose ... I believe her words in the following post to this forum.

texasmom ... both Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are aware of Kyle Kingman's own words to the Natalee's Freebird forum.

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 12:49:21 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......


OK,OK..Billb set it up so nicely...

THAT'S WHAT THE CAHULAWASSEE RIVER IS FOR..Nailed is putting it nicely BillB.. ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:51:25 AM
Thank ya'll.

I am fine.....you know I am tough as nails. ::MonkeyHaHa::

It was just gallbladder surgery.  Nothing to it!

Magnolia ... I didn't know.  I am thankful you are on the mend.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2009, 12:52:55 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:53:18 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 12:57:39 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:50 PM PT

GoodNight Janet! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 12:59:08 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:50 PM PT

GoodNight Janet! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 12:59:52 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)


Your OLD wreck!... ::MonkeyCool::
Do you know ROBOTS.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 01:00:51 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:50 PM PT

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 01:00:53 AM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
9:50 PM PT

GoodNight Janet! ::MonkeyKiss::  ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

You are appreciated more then you know Janet!God Bless ya.... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 01:02:37 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......

Guess I'm not being heard.....that's OK....
Goodnight Good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 01:08:54 AM
Left ya treat in the sports thread Wreck! ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2009, 01:08:58 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)


Your OLD wreck!... ::MonkeyCool::
Do you know ROBOTS.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyCool:: Just sayin' my family have been "Okies" for a looong time! My great uncle was "Secretary of State" of Livestock and my Aunt was Secretary of State for "Human Services" in Oklahoma. Both of my parents were born and raised there. My friends are still there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 01:09:30 AM
Will return in an hour..Gotta show to watch!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......

Guess I'm not being heard.....that's OK....
Goodnight Good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at.....


You're always heard by me billb.  I wish I knew the answers!

Hopefully a smarter monkey than me does know and will answer!

BTW....OLD is good...especially when it comes to ROBOTS! 

ROBOTS ROCKS!   ::MonkeyCheer2::  ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 01:12:26 AM
forgot to say...

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 22, 2009, 01:25:22 AM
Good night all and have a great weekend.   ::MonkeyJnBox::   Justice for Natalee!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 01:33:55 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)


Your OLD wreck!... ::MonkeyCool::
Do you know ROBOTS.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyCool:: Just sayin' my family have been "Okies" for a looong time! My great uncle was "Secretary of State" of Livestock and my Aunt was Secretary of State for "Human Services" in Oklahoma. Both of my parents were born and raised there. My friends are still there.

I lived in Lawton Oklahoma for a while.  My husband was stationed at Fort Sill for
OCS and Flight School.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 01:42:01 AM
Good night all and have a great weekend.   ::MonkeyJnBox::   Justice for Natalee!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyMad::

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:17:08 AM
"A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history."

MOHANDAS GANDHI



To be a part of a mission,that may alter the course of justice for Natalee Holloway is,first and formost,a privilige!It's very simple at this point.GOOD VS EVIL.Good people do things because it's the right thing to do.EVIL people,do what they do,because they're EVIL!A wise Monkey once told me the truth in regards to these miscreants.They're MAGGOTS! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:25:21 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

IT WILL BE HER'S

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 03:14:16 AM
Always looking for the latest on crime in Aruba...never know what I'll find!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 03:59:34 AM
HT Carpe   


(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/njjjjjjj.png)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 22, 2009, 07:35:17 AM
At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......
  I do too!  I hope that every day is filled with flashbacks of the evil they have done and that nothing good comes their way until they tell the truth.  Natalee could have been any of our daughter's.  Thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba on her honeymoon.  Why on earth would anyone go somewhere where you might disappear and have the government look the other way?  If God answers prayers in His own time, Joran will get it! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 22, 2009, 07:40:30 AM
Thanks for the info txmom  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 22, 2009, 09:48:44 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61337.php

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/AmigoeWeverPedo.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 09:54:40 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!  Good Morning Zookeepers!


Beth Holloway - Loving Natalee

Page 229/230:
  As I read on in the journal, I discover that one of the most moving entries is her desription of a hero.  Natalee writes:

A Hero is someone who puts others before himself.  He or she is very selfless and cares about the well-being of others.  Heroes also accept life's challenges and remain strong through tough times.  They also have a strong sense of determination and stick to goals and morals.  I believe that heroes uphold morals and try to encourage others to live life morally correct.  Heroes are not only just people called in times of physical danger, but individuals that can both emotionally and physically help people get through rough times.  A hero should always show respect for other people as well as respect for himself.

Instantly I realize that Natalee is poignantly describing the people who have reached out to help her family get through this "tough time."  It's almost as if she is thanking everyone herself by recognizing the importance of selfless people.  And I am amazed at her profound words here.  I sit and read the entire journal ...




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 09:59:20 AM
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Good Morning Leroy

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:00 AM PT



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 22, 2009, 10:14:44 AM
Good Morning Monkeys.

BillB, I thought about what you said last night.  I think we need to return our focus on the cage and the contents.  THAT is what riled everyone up so much.  We were onto something there and they derailed us and are very happy about that.  WHY want they (Aruba) address the issue of what was in that cage?  We need to find out what happened on the Persistence that allowed Justice for Natalee to fade away. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 10:27:57 AM



At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......
  I do too!  I hope that every day is filled with flashbacks of the evil they have done and that nothing good comes their way until they tell the truth.  Natalee could have been any of our daughter's.  Thank God my daughter is not going to Aruba on her honeymoon.  Why on earth would anyone go somewhere where you might disappear and have the government look the other way?  If God answers prayers in His own time, Joran will get it! 

EXACTLY!!!

This is why it breaks my heart and ... is beyond my comprehension why Dave and Robin Holloway have made the decision that the economy of Aruba should take precidence over well-being other unsuspecting "natalees".

Janet

+++++++++

FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

1.  06/19 - FLIP FLOP

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


2.  06/19 - MARK PURCELL APPLAUDS

MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Leroy on August 22, 2009, 10:36:28 AM
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Good Morning Leroy

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:00 AM PT



Hi Janet - good to see you.  I'm off to catch up in the Lindsey thread...we miss you over there   ::MonkeyKiss:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 10:40:13 AM
Dave Holloway sentiments differed prior to the Mark Purcell connection.  In his book .. Corruption in Paradise ... which was released in January, 2006 ... Natalee's father states ...

"Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there."  Page 116




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 10:48:43 AM
Dave Holloway sentiments differed prior to the Mark Purcell connection.  In his book .. Corruption in Paradise ... which was released in January, 2006 ... Natalee's father states ...

"Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there."  Page 116





Corruption in Paradise - Dave Hollowa

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 22, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
Saturday must not be a popular beach day in Aruba.  Maybe everyone is sleeping off their hangovers:

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 10:54:58 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)




OOoooo-Klahoma. . . where the wind
 comes roaring down the plains!


Good morning to Wreck and all the Monkeys!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 10:56:15 AM
2NJ,

Now even the pair of flip flops are gone!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 10:57:30 AM
Sorry!

Should have addresses that to KLAAS!  Usually it is 2NJ who posts the vacant beach photo. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 10:58:03 AM
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Good Morning Leroy

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
7:00 AM PT



Hi Janet - good to see you.  I'm off to catch up in the Lindsey thread...we miss you over there   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Hi Leroy

I popped in yesterday.  I posted on the main thread as well as the THEORIES AND TIMELINES Thread.  Your input would be appreciated.

Have a good day all!

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 11:01:09 AM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)


Your OLD wreck!... ::MonkeyCool::
Do you know ROBOTS.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyCool:: Just sayin' my family have been "Okies" for a looong time! My great uncle was "Secretary of State" of Livestock and my Aunt was Secretary of State for "Human Services" in Oklahoma. Both of my parents were born and raised there. My friends are still there.

I lived in Lawton Oklahoma for a while.  My husband was stationed at Fort Sill for
OCS and Flight School.


Magnolia,
Small world as I also lived in Lawton, OK, for the same reason.  OCS at Ft Sill.  But afterwards we went to Ft Carson, CO, for artillery training and not flight school.  Am trying to recall the year but lived on Euclid Avenue.  I remember the streets were neatly named alphabetically but don't remember much else.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 11:04:16 AM
2NJ,

Now even the pair of flip flops are gone!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

In the "olden days" flip flops were called thongs.  I think I left my flip flops by the hotel pool on my recent trip to Disneyland.  You should have seen the confusion on the face of the young man behind the counter when this 62 year old granny asked if any thongs had been turned in.  He was more embarrassed than me.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......

Guess I'm not being heard.....that's OK....
Goodnight Good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at.....


You're always heard by me billb.  I wish I knew the answers!

Hopefully a smarter monkey than me does know and will answer!

BTW....OLD is good...especially when it comes to ROBOTS! 

ROBOTS ROCKS!   ::MonkeyCheer2::  ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



I miss Robots, too.  I was sort of surprised when someone asked me if I had a "thing" going on with him because we were always just teasing.  When he would say he would go get me, he was JOKING because he lives in Maine and I live in Alabama.  See map.  But if I was lurking, I would sign in when he would post something like that.

Also it annoyed poster BLAH, whom I also miss as he was fun to annoy and sort of grouchy.  AFAIK, Robots is a happily married man and father of four and several years younger than me despite his Robotic age.  We have never even spoken by phone, he did not cut trees after storm in my yard in reality, etc.

Was all Robot humor.  It never occurred to me that anybody would believe us.


I am still sending call out for LIFESONG, also.  She also had a great sense of humor that is so often badly needed in this otherwise tragic and disgusting denial of justice. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 22, 2009, 11:15:40 AM
2NJ,

Now even the pair of flip flops are gone!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

In the "olden days" flip flops were called thongs.  I think I left my flip flops by the hotel pool on my recent trip to Disneyland.  You should have seen the confusion on the face of the young man behind the counter when this 62 year old granny asked if any thongs had been turned in.  He was more embarrassed than me.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Would love to have seen his expression!  Yes, the meaning of words seems to change over time.  Hard for us old folk to keep up!  For me, anyway.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 11:40:07 AM


Good morning Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 22, 2009, 11:46:30 AM
Sorry!

Should have addresses that to KLAAS!  Usually it is 2NJ who posts the vacant beach photo. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   She beat me to it....DH was using the pc.    ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 12:03:36 PM
2NJ,

Now even the pair of flip flops are gone!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

In the "olden days" flip flops were called thongs.  I think I left my flip flops by the hotel pool on my recent trip to Disneyland.  You should have seen the confusion on the face of the young man behind the counter when this 62 year old granny asked if any thongs had been turned in.  He was more embarrassed than me.

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

OMG, I would have LOVED to have seen that! 

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/13309501563p6560.gif)  ::MonkeyLaugh::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 22, 2009, 12:34:33 PM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......

Guess I'm not being heard.....that's OK....
Goodnight Good monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is where it is at.....


Although I don't believe we have spoken before and although I am not a smart (or popular) Monkey here, I would like to add my 2 cents worth.
Let me start by saying I don't have an answer for you but I read your posts and respect that you have posed courageous questions in the past.

I "hear" you loud and clear!  I have asked myself the same question as you have done in this post. 
The fact that you haven't had a lot of speculative answers to your question is not (imo) that you haven't been heard, but rather, in my case at least,  I just don't have an answer.  A good answer.

The fact that there does not appear to be anyone in Aruba investigating with
vigor and passion and steadfastness to solve this case - anyone that appears to care about Natalee and what became of her - anyone that wants justice for Natalee, is extremely discouraging. 
If Natalee had disappeared on American soil, I believe there would be an investigation on disinformants - their purpose - who they are protecting and why and indeed could perhaps lead to answers that would provide justice.

Perhaps the exposure of those that have thwarted justice for Natalee at every turn might be helpful to family members who have been understandably vulnerable - to change their focus.  To alter their belief, even though changing a belief system is incredibly hard to do.

But that does not answer your question as to how the expose' of certain people will aid justice for Natalee.

For those that have maintained their interest 4 plus years out, I have the greatest respect.  Aruba doesn't like that Natalee's supporters are NOT going away!

God bless Natalee and bring her the justice she so deserves.

I hear you Billb, I hear you!





 
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 01:49:08 PM
BillB... ::MonkeyFootball::   ::MonkeyTease::

Bill.Where will justice come from?This is all just my opinion.From what i've been reading since Kermit,Freebirds as well as anyone else who graciously helped expose what occured in regards to the Persistence & the cage trap is,the laying of a foundation which is leading up to how these traitors & disinformation specialists came together to continue the charade they call justice.How & why John Silvetti & Louis Schaeffer REALLY went down there.Me thinks it didn't have anything to do with Natalee Holloway.JMOO.Do i have faith that Kermit,Freebirds,as well as any other Monkey or person who continue's to dig will find the pieces to the puzzle?ABSOLUTELY!I do believe people(Federal authorities)are aware of the American Traitors and the circumstances surrounding the Persistence.As much as it drives me crazy sometimes it takes time.Mistakes will be made.No one is perfect.If i was an American Traitor,residing on American soil,I WOULD"NT SLEEP WELL AT NIGHT!Hope that a made some sense BillB?Your presence,your thoughts,your humor & most of all,your dedication to a girl who was taken from her family far too early is like GOLD in my world Billb.You are appreciated! ::MonkeyCool::

This is all just my opinion

KTF


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 01:51:55 PM

<snipped>

I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......


billb ... I hear ya.

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is going to come from a Dutch/Aruban courtroom.  The domino effect of accountability is too far reaching.  There are those involved in the happenings that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005.  There are the sons of the elite who at the very least are knowledgeable.   There are those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who are participants in the cover up.  There is the judiciary in regards to their favorable rulings on behalf of the suspects.  Then there are those who are participants in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses drugs, alcohol, sex trade, gambling, money laundering ...

Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan have the ability to do right.  They can expose to the FBI ... from first hand observation ...  John Silvetti's participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup. Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan have the ability to afford a measure of closure to the family of Natalee Holloway,

Aruba may offer appeasement to the family and to Americans by condeding a botched investigation but ...when all is said and done ... justice in the form of accountability will forever remain elusive as the hands of time cannot be reverse.

However ... documentation of the truth by those who have researched all aspects of the corrupt Aruban investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen will never go away.  Their words will go down in Aruban history and ... will come back to haunt the Island time and time again.

billb ...  Joran never was taught to respect the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society for his well-being and the well-being of others.  Joran never learned that there are consequences for the outcome of choosing to disregard those boundaries.  When you consider that this young man's life is spinning out of control ... he believes he is untouchable ... Joran and his parents have not won ... not by a long shot.

Then there is the Judge of all judges Who knows each of our hearts.  When standing face to face ... He will not be mocked.

billb ... I hear ya!

Janet
   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 01:55:22 PM
TAMIKOSMOM

"billb ...  Joran never was taught to respect the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society for his well-being and the well-being of others.  Joran never learned that there are consequences for the outcome of choosing to disregard those boundaries.  When you consider that this young man's life is spinning out of control ... he believes he is untouchable ... Joran and his parents have not won ... not by a long shot."


TRUER WORDS HAVE NEVER BEEN SPOKEN....KTF




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:00:01 PM
::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 02:08:04 PM
Keepthefaith

This wannabe detective suspects that Lifesong may be researching behind the scenes putting together the document of all documents ... the timeline of all timelines and ... that document of all documents and ... timeline of all timelines ... will be forcoming when the time is deemed right.

TICK TOCK!  TICK TOCK!

However ... on the other hand ... this wannabe detective has been wrong over and over again.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:11:16 PM
Keepthefaith

This wannabe detective suspects that Lifesong may be researching behind the scenes putting together the document of all documents ... the timeline of all timelines and ... that document of all documents and ... timeline of all timelines ... will be forcoming when the time is deemed right.

TICK TOCK!  TICK TOCK!

However ... on the other hand ... this wannabe detective has been wrong over and over again.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

I will KeepTheFaith.. ::MonkeyAngel:: The timelines were invaluable to my organization skills which,are lacking to say the least!  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 02:11:46 PM
I'm just catching up .... I'm sure I have missed a lot! I AM from OKC. My 81 year old mother still lives there. If you need to know the "dynamics" of OKC ... let me know.
I have roots back to the turn of the century (1900's!)


Your OLD wreck!... ::MonkeyCool::
Do you know ROBOTS.... ::MonkeyLaugh::

::MonkeyCool:: Just sayin' my family have been "Okies" for a looong time! My great uncle was "Secretary of State" of Livestock and my Aunt was Secretary of State for "Human Services" in Oklahoma. Both of my parents were born and raised there. My friends are still there.

I lived in Lawton Oklahoma for a while.  My husband was stationed at Fort Sill for
OCS and Flight School.


Magnolia,
Small world as I also lived in Lawton, OK, for the same reason.  OCS at Ft Sill.  But afterwards we went to Ft Carson, CO, for artillery training and not flight school.  Am trying to recall the year but lived on Euclid Avenue.  I remember the streets were neatly named alphabetically but don't remember much else.

It is a small world , Anna.  We lived in a little house on Bessie Avenue, with the only storm pit in the neighborhood.  When there were tornado warnings, people that I didn't even know would come flying though the front door to get in the storm pit.  I was more scared of the storm pit than I was of the storm.  I think it was 1967 when we were there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:36:15 PM
Keepthefaith, Magnolia (+ 1 Hidden) and 13 Guests


I'm heading to the Storm pit Magnolia! ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 02:37:33 PM
Keepthefaith, Magnolia (+ 1 Hidden) and 13 Guests


I'm heading to the Storm pit Magnolia! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Be careful KTF.....there's spiders in there! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 02:42:06 PM
Keepthefaith, Magnolia (+ 1 Hidden) and 13 Guests


I'm heading to the Storm pit Magnolia! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Be careful KTF.....there's spiders in there! ::MonkeyCool::

Spiderman, Spiderman,
Does whatever a spider can.
Spins a web, any size,
Catches thieves just like flies.
Look out! Here comes the Spiderman.

::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 03:11:38 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 03:20:22 PM
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Off for a day of  ::MonkeyFootball:: TM.Quit talking Papiemento to yourself... ::MonkeyBike::

::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to do housework, yard work, and work work.  Plus babysit my boys Jack Russell's!  Doesn't seem like I've done much of anything!

I wish I could speak that crazy language, sure would save me a lot of grief trying to figure out what in the heck they're saying!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great day KTF!  Wish I could watch some football!   ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 05:38:15 PM
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2:40 PM PT

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 06:20:57 PM
Keepthefaith, texasmom and 5 Guests

Off for a day of  ::MonkeyFootball:: TM.Quit talking Papiemento to yourself... ::MonkeyBike::

::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to do housework, yard work, and work work.  Plus babysit my boys Jack Russell's!  Doesn't seem like I've done much of anything!

I wish I could speak that crazy language, sure would save me a lot of grief trying to figure out what in the heck they're saying!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great day KTF!  Wish I could watch some football!   ::MonkeyTongue::



 ::MonkeyShocked::

What is really scarey texasmom is that after four years of reading that language ... I can get the drift.

I have difficulty understanding my almost three year old grandson who speaks French better than English . (Mom is French Canadian) ... but I can somewhat understand your posted articles in Papiemento.

This tells me that justice for Natalee Holloway has been elusive for way too long.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

 Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 06:38:10 PM

 
::MonkeyHaHa::

I'm trying to do housework, yard work, and work work.  Plus babysit my boys Jack Russell's!  Doesn't seem like I've done much of anything!

I wish I could speak that crazy language, sure would save me a lot of grief trying to figure out what in the heck they're saying!
 ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

Have a great day KTF!  Wish I could watch some football!   ::MonkeyTongue::



Multi-tasking has never been my thing texasmom.  Give me one task to focus on and ... it is done to perfection.  However ... give me two or more tasks ... nothing gets accomplished to my satisfaction. 

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 07:02:01 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 07:04:48 PM
Nut44x4

... yet to met. s/b ... yet to meet.

Please edit and ... I promised never to bother you ... the other mods or ... Klaas again.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

Thanks

Janet

{fixed by San}


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 07:15:37 PM
It seems to really annoy those with an Aruban tie that the empty beach pics
are posted.

I love it! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 07:15:38 PM
Thanks San.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 07:39:48 PM
A MOTHER'S JOURNEY OF FAITH

In the Fall of 2007, a book authored by the mother of Natalee Holloway was released.  Beth Holloway shares with readers the heartbreak, the frustration and the desperations in her ongoing journey to be a voice for her daughter until Aruban justice prevails.

Then Beth shares the sustaining faith that has given her courage to endure.

_________

Loving Natalee: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith
by Beth Holloway

Pages 230/231:
  I can't say for sure if we'll ever know that answer to whether my daughter is alive or not.  I know it doesn't look good.  But just as that old metal spiral staircase rose from the ashes when our lake house burned down, so too faith stands strong in the remains of this devastating loss.  And just as my Dad built another house around that staircase, I will build another life around hope and faith.  It won't ever be the same.  But I pray that it will, at the very least, be useful.

The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.

Page 232:  Without hope we are hungry. And on a very deep level, desperate. But no one has to be. What's so amazing is that we can feed each other. We can help each other. We have the power to give resilience to others who are fading. We can nourish each other's spirits and save one another from defeat and despair. Every one of us possesses this power to "love thy neighbor," and we need to use it every chance we get.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 22, 2009, 07:55:42 PM
   ::MonkeyBike::

Good evening monkeys!

Thanks, Texasmom, for the post regarding Marlene Purcell's tragic loss of personal property due to thugs breaking into her home.  At least we can see from those comments that Aruban citizens agree that break-ins are rampant, and everyone knows that Aruba is unsafe.  Even the locals are feeling afraid.

It struck me how sympathetic Marlene's friends are in the loss of her computer and camera and dry cleaning which was stolen from her. :2boohoo:

I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?

Would they be concerned about whether the police would investigate?  Would they be concerned about whether or not her daughter would be returned to her?

Over fours years Aruba..........Tick Tock Tick Tock   

I am patient.   ::MonkeyJustice::

I hope Marlene gets her precious, easily-replaced possessions back and the perps are brought to justice.

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt076 :smt076 :smt076  :smt097



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 22, 2009, 08:04:35 PM
   ::MonkeyBike::

Good evening monkeys!

Thanks, Texasmom, for the post regarding Marlene Purcell's tragic loss of personal property due to thugs breaking into her home.  At least we can see from those comments that Aruban citizens agree that break-ins are rampant, and everyone knows that Aruba is unsafe.  Even the locals are feeling afraid.

It struck me how sympathetic Marlene's friends are in the loss of her computer and camera and dry cleaning which was stolen from her. :2boohoo:

I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?

Would they be concerned about whether the police would investigate?  Would they be concerned about whether or not her daughter would be returned to her?

Over fours years Aruba..........Tick Tock Tick Tock   

I am patient.   ::MonkeyJustice::

I hope Marlene gets her precious, easily-replaced  possessions back and the perps are brought to justice.

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt076 :smt076 :smt076  :smt097


So true Helen.  She hasn't the slighted idea of what a real loss is.  Crying over stolen crap.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2009, 08:37:42 PM
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Hi wreck.

I hope you are having a good day.

Janet
2:40 PM PT

 
Absolutely! I'm taking the week off - heading to Denver next weekend for my nephew's wedding.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 08:38:13 PM
MARLENE PURCELL

SHAME ON LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK & BETH TWITTY
WE LOVE ARUBA


The true story premiere on Nathalie Holloway's dissappearance shown on LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK on April 19, 2009 was a total disgrace and insult to the Aruban Community. There were so many details left out, so many twisted representation of the Aruban people and authorities, so many one-sided views. I think Beth Twitty is making a large sum of money on the rights of this movie and book deals while she is harassing Aruba and trying to tarnish the image of our peaceful island and its people. She's getting rich by the minute, while she tries to damage the reputation of a country. SHAME SHAME SHAME!!!
 
Aruba will continue to be a home away from home for everyone who wants to visit, and should not be judged based on one isolated incident.
 
LIFETIME MOVIE NETWORK - what a dissappointment! Not even a disclaimer that the views presented in the movie represent those of a sick and twisted lady who has nothing else to do with her time, and that is hungry for money and fame. I will surely delete your channel from my cable provider!!!
 
We unite against you Beth Twitty. We unite against your evil and sick way of getting rich by trying to bully and hurt others!!!!

We welcome our visitors with our warm hospitality and our open hearts!

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/view_members?cause_id=273176&_fb_fromhash=71014b40b38c6372ff21f4e1cce4720a




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 22, 2009, 08:40:29 PM
I don't know if I am qualified to answer this question, but I think that
it just shows that all of this information that these people have posted
persistently is just BS, and  that there has been an orchestrated effort by
the AHATA to spread all of the lies that are out there.  If they had nothing
to hide, why go to such lengths.
I hear what you are saying Magnolia (and TexasMom).
I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......


When Aruba gives back the remains of Miss Natalee Holloway to her family appropriately, then we will stop exposing Aruban and their cover-up. Until then, game on!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 08:40:32 PM
JULIA RENFRO

Seattle Times - June 9, 2007


Renfro, a mother of four, spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another, but she became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said. "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if she died on the island proper. She -- and many Arubans -- doubts the three suspects, all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, never caving in to intense interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003741183_aruba09.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 22, 2009, 08:41:42 PM
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Hi wreck.

I hope you are having a good day.

Janet
2:40 PM PT

 
Absolutely! I'm taking the week off - heading to Denver next weekend for my nephew's wedding.  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Have a great trip & wedding wreck. We'll hold the fort down for you until your return.


Edit to fix quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 08:43:48 PM
Julia Renfro and Marlene Purcell are mothers.  What evil prevents them from having empathy for Beth Holloway ... a mother who can no longer embrace her child ... a mother who does not have answers regarding her daughter's disappearance ... a mother who can not lay her daughter to rest on American soil.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 08:46:16 PM
Good Bye Wreck.  Have fun!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 22, 2009, 08:53:30 PM
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7642/datelineskullog2.jpg)

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005

 TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 22, 2009, 08:54:30 PM
Julia Renfro and Marlene Purcell are mothers.  What evil prevents them from having empathy for Beth Holloway ... a mother who can no longer embrace her child ... a mother who does not have answers regarding her daughter's disappearance ... a mother who can not lay her daughter to rest on American soil.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::
Janet

evil protecting evil


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 08:57:46 PM


<snipped>

I'm trying to solicit inputs from our smart Monkeys to where this may lead for Justice for Natalee....Janet consistently posts that the perps will still be protected by aruba authorities (I agree with Janet) and at worst will admit investigative mistakes (Oh well).
Although there may be a well documented (Thanks to Kermit and many others) that a disinfo crew was established and promoted by aruba powers that be from the get go....where is/what could be the link that goes directly to nailing the perps? At the end of the day.....aruba IS suffering because of the coverup.....
I want the perps nailed ..paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido......


billb ... I hear ya.

I do not believe that justice for Natalee Holloway is going to come from a Dutch/Aruban courtroom.  The domino effect of accountability is too far reaching.  There are those involved in the happenings that encompassed the morning of May 30, 2005.  There are the sons of the elite who at the very least are knowledgeable.   There are those at all levels of the Aruban/Dutch administrations who are participants in the cover up.  There is the judiciary in regards to their favorable rulings on behalf of the suspects.  Then there are those who are participants in Aruba's underground economy which encompasses drugs, alcohol, sex trade, gambling, money laundering ...

Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan have the ability to do right.  They can expose to the FBI ... from first hand observation ...  John Silvetti's participation in the finale to the great Aruban coverup. Kyle Kingman and Tim Trahan have the ability to afford a measure of closure to the family of Natalee Holloway,

Aruba may offer appeasement to the family and to Americans by condeding a botched investigation but ...when all is said and done ... justice in the form of accountability will forever remain elusive as the hands of time cannot be reverse.

However ... documentation of the truth by those who have researched all aspects of the corrupt Aruban investigation that prevented justice from prevailing for an 18 year old American citizen will never go away.  Their words will go down in Aruban history and ... will come back to haunt the Island time and time again.

billb ...  Joran never was taught to respect the moral and legal boundaries established by a civilized society for his well-being and the well-being of others.  Joran never learned that there are consequences for the outcome of choosing to disregard those boundaries.  When you consider that this young man's life is spinning out of control ... he believes he is untouchable ... Joran and his parents have not won ... not by a long shot.

Then there is the Judge of all judges Who knows each of our hearts.  When standing face to face ... He will not be mocked.

billb ... I hear ya!

Janet
   



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 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2009, 09:14:18 PM
Good Bye Wreck.  Have fun!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
I'm not leaving until next Friday!! Just taking a little time off before then. (I haven't decided if I'm gonna go somewhere else first -- just relaxing for a week sonds good so far!)  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:16:10 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:22:28 PM
Keepthefaith, wreck, ohcanada, 2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, San and 3 Guests

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
Keepthefaith, wreck, ohcanada, 2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, San and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyBike::

Keepthefaith, billb, wreck, Blue Moon, texasmom and 6 Guests

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

 Keepthefaith, texasmom, wreck, billb, Blue Moon and 4 Guests

There were 9 in the thread and the little one said "roll over, roll over"
So they all rolled over, there were 8 in the thread and the little one said...


 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

I wonder if Klaas would give us some bumper cars? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2009, 09:35:33 PM
Julia Renfro and Marlene Purcell are mothers.  What evil prevents them from having empathy for Beth Holloway ... a mother who can no longer embrace her child ... a mother who does not have answers regarding her daughter's disappearance ... a mother who can not lay her daughter to rest on American soil.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 09:40:28 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2009, 09:43:05 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!


 :smt045 :smt045 :smt045


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
Keepthefaith, wreck, ohcanada, 2NJSons_Mom, texasmom, San and 3 Guests

 ::MonkeyBike::

Keepthefaith, billb, wreck, Blue Moon, texasmom and 6 Guests

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

 Keepthefaith, texasmom, wreck, billb, Blue Moon and 4 Guests

There were 9 in the thread and the little one said "roll over, roll over"
So they all rolled over, there were 8 in the thread and the little one said...


 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::

I wonder if Klaas would give us some bumper cars? 

I was thinking more along the lines of a submarine,yellow submarine..How many monkey's would fit in a yellow submarine?A canoe would work just fine.The trip down the cuhalawassee river is coming![b]GAME ON..[/b] ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 09:47:03 PM
   ::MonkeyBike::

Good evening monkeys!

Thanks, Texasmom, for the post regarding Marlene Purcell's tragic loss of personal property due to thugs breaking into her home.  At least we can see from those comments that Aruban citizens agree that break-ins are rampant, and everyone knows that Aruba is unsafe.  Even the locals are feeling afraid.

It struck me how sympathetic Marlene's friends are in the loss of her computer and camera and dry cleaning which was stolen from her. :2boohoo:

I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?

Would they be concerned about whether the police would investigate?  Would they be concerned about whether or not her daughter would be returned to her?

Over fours years Aruba..........Tick Tock Tick Tock   

I am patient.   ::MonkeyJustice::

I hope Marlene gets her precious, easily-replaced possessions back and the perps are brought to justice.

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt076 :smt076 :smt076  :smt097



I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?
Helen Back....
The sad truth about aruba govt, police, and culture is that children and girls/women are just things..not people that deserve respect......they accept anything bad that may happen to their own children/girls/women and especially tourists and blame the victims above blaming their own....
It is pathetic....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:48:45 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!

BILLB... ::MonkeyFootball:: 2 weeks  ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 09:50:23 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!

BILLB... ::MonkeyFootball:: 2 weeks  ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 09:52:14 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!

BILLB... ::MonkeyFootball:: 2 weeks  ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyFootball::
BBL.....preseason starts at 7 pm PT...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:53:17 PM
   ::MonkeyBike::

Good evening monkeys!

Thanks, Texasmom, for the post regarding Marlene Purcell's tragic loss of personal property due to thugs breaking into her home.  At least we can see from those comments that Aruban citizens agree that break-ins are rampant, and everyone knows that Aruba is unsafe.  Even the locals are feeling afraid.

It struck me how sympathetic Marlene's friends are in the loss of her computer and camera and dry cleaning which was stolen from her. :2boohoo:

I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?

Would they be concerned about whether the police would investigate?  Would they be concerned about whether or not her daughter would be returned to her?

Over fours years Aruba..........Tick Tock Tick Tock   

I am patient.   ::MonkeyJustice::

I hope Marlene gets her precious, easily-replaced possessions back and the perps are brought to justice.

 ::MonkeyMad:: :smt076 :smt076 :smt076  :smt097



I wonder if any of them would be upset if someone in Aruba stole her daughter?
Helen Back....
The sad truth about aruba govt, police, and culture is that children and girls/women are just things..not people that deserve respect......they accept anything bad that may happen to their own children/girls/women and especially tourists and blame the victims above blaming their own....
It is pathetic....

I've never seen anything quite like Aruba and their brand of justice,Across the board.Big thanx to TM and her posts of crime in Aruba which continually gives us a comprehensive look at how they dole out justice.THEY DON'T! ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 22, 2009, 09:55:05 PM
Hello all Good Monkeys.....
Thanks to all that responded I was heard last night....TexasMom, Sharon/Tx, Blue Moon,
Can, KTF, Tamikosmom (Hi Janet) and anyone else I may have missed (unintentionally). I needed the encouragement.....
Blue Moon said we should keep the focus on the cage contents and what aruba did with the contents.....Agree full heartily...
expose aruba authorities and the american traitors on persistence....
The pieces being put together by Kermit and many others is absolutely making the the perps and the coverup crews nervous...
Natalee MUST be returned....no compromise/no stopping to uncover the truth......Until then...
Kermit...I'm with you...Game On!

BILLB... ::MonkeyFootball:: 2 weeks  ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyFootball::
BBL.....preseason starts at 7 pm PT...

GO SEAHAWKS! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Off to dinner.I will return.Nice to hear from ya Billb.Are the chargers a Hockey team????? ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005

 TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152

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(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)



We need to get this elevated to some agency that will bring pressure to bear on the persistence POS and the aruba retrievers of the cage contents.....
Not saying that isn't happening because I believe it is.....but would like signs that things are happening more often.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 22, 2009, 10:05:57 PM
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005

 TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152

(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7509/shoeinsidecageex7.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)



We need to get this elevated to some agency that will bring pressure to bear on the persistence POS and the aruba retrievers of the cage contents.....
Not saying that isn't happening because I believe it is.....but would like signs that things are happening more often.....
My sentiments exactly!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 22, 2009, 10:07:59 PM
(http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/7642/datelineskullog2.jpg)

Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005

 TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #740 3/5 -
« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152

(http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7509/shoeinsidecageex7.jpg)

(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2149/2345841784_52614dbecb_o.jpg)



We need to get this elevated to some agency that will bring pressure to bear on the persistence POS and the aruba retrievers of the cage contents.....
Not saying that isn't happening because I believe it is.....but would like signs that things are happening more often.....

I would love to see Greta taken this on and analyze what she sees, get some "experts" to look at it.  But then again I do believe Greta had some information at one time and nothing ever became of it.  We need some action.  It is obvious Natalee's biggest threat from coming home to her family is the American traitors located on Aruba.  WHY?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
If Arabians are such a kind and gentle people, why have none of them come
forward with the information needed to help put the murderers of Natalee in
prison where they belong?  Everybody there seems to know everybody else's
business.  Are the kind and gentle people of Aruba afraid for their lives because
they are living under the thumb of a corrupt government?  I think they are.

Would the people who are so defensive about the natives of Aruba rise to their
defense if they did not have a monetary interest in the time shares on the island?
I doubt they would.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 10:45:14 PM
The problem is that there are only Kyle Kingman's own words to an internet forum  that imply there was a John Silvetti deception and ... Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that cage/trap.

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN DEFENCE

John Silvetti will claim that he sincerely did not agree with the dynamic some believe encompass the Aruban coverup and ... will concede that he trusted the Arubans completely ... still trusts the Arubans and ... followed protocol accordingly.

John Silvetti will claim that Kyle Kingman was mistaken when perceived his actions in regards to the trap/cage as cohorting with the enemy to further the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  Afterall ... Silvetti does not consider the Aruban's the enemy.

John Silvetti will concede that he anticipated the search for Natalee Holloway's remains would result in connections that would afford him business opportunities in Aruba and surrounding islands of the Carribean.  In other words ... he will admit that did have an underlying motive and therefore the Persistence endeavor could be considered two-fold.

John Silvetti will point out that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway would not have been involved up to the present time in raising funds to underwrite the dives on targets that were not investigated if they believed that he had intentionally betrayed the family of Natalee.

John Silvetti will point out the Dave Holloway is one with the Arubans ... he trust the Arubans.  Natalee Holloway's father put him in touch with the Head of the Hotel Association regarding a substantial donation to further the search for his daughter's remains.

John Silvetti will claim that the ROV images are a non-issue as far as he is concerned.  Afterall ... the Arubans are in possession of the contents and ... the Aruban claim that the contents were not Natalee Holloway case related.  In other words ... he trusts the Arubans who were in charge of the recovery process.

::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 22, 2009, 10:56:51 PM
The problem is that there are only Kyle Kingman's own words to an internet forum  that imply there was a John Silvetti deception and ... Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that cage/trap.

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN DEFENCE

John Silvetti will claim that he sincerely did not agree with the dynamic some believe encompass the Aruban coverup and ... will concede that he trusted the Arubans completely ... still trusts the Arubans and ... followed protocol accordingly.

John Silvetti will claim that Kyle Kingman was mistaken when perceived his actions in regards to the trap/cage as cohorting with the enemy to further the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  Afterall ... Silvetti does not consider the Aruban's the enemy.

John Silvetti will concede that he anticipated the search for Natalee Holloway's remains would result in connections that would afford him business opportunities in Aruba and surrounding islands of the Carribean.  In other words ... he will admit that did have an underlying motive and therefore the Persistence endeavor could be considered two-fold.

John Silvetti will point out that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway would not have been involved up to the present time in raising funds to underwrite the dives on targets that were not investigated if they believed that he had intentionally betrayed the family of Natalee.

John Silvetti will point out the Dave Holloway is one with the Arubans ... he trust the Arubans.  Natalee Holloway's father put him in touch with the Head of the Hotel Association regarding a substantial donation to further the search for his daughter's remains.

John Silvetti will claim that the ROV images are a non-issue as far as he is concerned.  Afterall ... the Arubans are in possession of the contents and ... the Aruban claim that the contents were not Natalee Holloway case related.  In other words ... he trusts the Arubans who were in charge of the recovery process.

::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 

Dang Janet,

You sound like a defense attorney. ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 11:19:32 PM

Were Dave Holloway and Tim Miller unwitting pawns who were used by John Silvetti to give credibility to the furthering of the great Aruban coverup or ... at some point before or after of the Persistence endeavor did they become willing participants?.

Think about it.

Janet

+++++++++


When I consider that Debbie's relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway is thisclose ... I believe her words in the following post to this forum.

Keep in mind both Tim Miller and Dave Holloway have been recipients of Kyle Kingman's own words to the Natalee's Freebird forum.

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: IBE on August 22, 2009, 11:24:24 PM
Just here for a moment. Been having computer challenges ::MonkeyConfused::

Keep up the good work!

Hope to be back with more time soon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 22, 2009, 11:30:43 PM
Just here for a moment. Been having computer challenges ::MonkeyConfused::

Keep up the good work!

Hope to be back with more time soon!

Hi IBE.  It's good to see you.  Hope you can come back soon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 11:41:08 PM

Were Dave Holloway and Tim Miller unwitting pawns who were used by John Silvetti to give credibility to the furthering of the great Aruban coverup or ... at some point before or after of the Persistence endeavor did they become willing participants?.

Think about it.

Janet

+++++++++


When I consider that Debbie's relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway is thisclose ... I believe her words in the following post to this forum.

Keep in mind both Tim Miller and Dave Holloway have been recipients of Kyle Kingman's own words to the Natalee's Freebird forum.

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Janet....
I've felt this a long time......I sincerely hope I am wrong......
My Gut tells me....
they becAme willing participants
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 11:45:21 PM
The problem is that there are only Kyle Kingman's own words to an internet forum  that imply there was a John Silvetti deception and ... Natalee Holloway's remains could have been in that cage/trap.

JOHN SILVETTI - IN HIS OWN DEFENCE

John Silvetti will claim that he sincerely did not agree with the dynamic some believe encompass the Aruban coverup and ... will concede that he trusted the Arubans completely ... still trusts the Arubans and ... followed protocol accordingly.

John Silvetti will claim that Kyle Kingman was mistaken when perceived his actions in regards to the trap/cage as cohorting with the enemy to further the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  Afterall ... Silvetti does not consider the Aruban's the enemy.

John Silvetti will concede that he anticipated the search for Natalee Holloway's remains would result in connections that would afford him business opportunities in Aruba and surrounding islands of the Carribean.  In other words ... he will admit that did have an underlying motive and therefore the Persistence endeavor could be considered two-fold.

John Silvetti will point out that Tim Miller and Dave Holloway would not have been involved up to the present time in raising funds to underwrite the dives on targets that were not investigated if they believed that he had intentionally betrayed the family of Natalee.

John Silvetti will point out the Dave Holloway is one with the Arubans ... he trust the Arubans.  Natalee Holloway's father put him in touch with the Head of the Hotel Association regarding a substantial donation to further the search for his daughter's remains.

John Silvetti will claim that the ROV images are a non-issue as far as he is concerned.  Afterall ... the Arubans are in possession of the contents and ... the Aruban claim that the contents were not Natalee Holloway case related.  In other words ... he trusts the Arubans who were in charge of the recovery process.

::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

 

Dang Janet,

You sound like a defense attorney. ::MonkeyShocked::
I'm hoping John and Louis will be tripped up by the IRS and our attorney general......POS that they are.....
The stockholders will be their undoing....Then they will talk about their dealings with the aruba POS.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 22, 2009, 11:46:08 PM
BBL...Half time over... ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 22, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
On February 15, 2008 ... when funds solicited funds were being designated to TES both Tim Miller and Kyle Kingman had real concerns regarding the contents of the trap ... the contents of the trap which the Aruban divers had deemed following the December 30th visual dive not to be case related.

Janet

+++++++

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


Kyle Kingman - In his own words

Kylele Kingman:
  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Edit-fixed typo.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 22, 2009, 11:56:45 PM

Were Dave Holloway and Tim Miller unwitting pawns who were used by John Silvetti to give credibility to the furthering of the great Aruban coverup or ... at some point before or after of the Persistence endeavor did they become willing participants?.

Think about it.

Janet

+++++++++


When I consider that Debbie's relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway is thisclose ... I believe her words in the following post to this forum.

Keep in mind both Tim Miller and Dave Holloway have been recipients of Kyle Kingman's own words to the Natalee's Freebird forum.

Janet

++++++

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027


Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.



Janet....
I've felt this a long time......I sincerely hope I am wrong......
My Gut tells me....
they becAme willing participants
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


My heart's still holding out for "unwitting pawns".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2009, 12:00:14 AM
I've read and heard every post the last couple of days.  I haven't had much to contribute....maybe because you have said it better than I could, or because life has pulled me in another direction for a time.

We're not going anywhere.  Natalee should be home with her family.  It's been 4 years too long. 

Goodnight....will see you later. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 12:08:22 AM
I've read and heard every post the last couple of days.  I haven't had much to contribute....maybe because you have said it better than I could, or because life has pulled me in another direction for a time.

We're not going anywhere.  Natalee should be home with her family.  It's been 4 years too long. 

Goodnight....will see you later. 

 ::MonkeyKiss::



I agree.

I hope everything's o.k. with you and yours.

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 12:10:10 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61422.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

American tourists Rudy Croes angry at news conference

August 22, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Tourists at a news conference from Justice Minister Rudy Croes were eating at restaurant El Gaucho, responded angrily to the uproar surrounding the press conference. The four Americans thought that the press conference was too loud and the noise disturbed their eetgenot. "I just want quiet in the restaurant to eat," said one of them. At a certain moment the incident was so out of hand that one of the tourists began to cry. Then told him that the staff of the restaurant would call the police if he continued to curse so. The disgruntled restaurant visitor could not believe it. "I come to your restaurant because I want to eat in peace and you go call the police?" The man was on point, sat with his three dining companions ran the restaurant. As he walked out, he scolded the audience off. Once after they had left the press conference went without further interruption. The press conference by Rudy Croes and party leaders of political parties PKLP Curaçao was held on the opinion of the Council of State that the Caribbean would be wise to make the 2010 parliamentary elections to be postponed. The Minister of Justice and Errol Cova, leader of PLKP if the autonomy of Curacao Netherlands this would affect and the Netherlands Antilles to herkoloniseren. "We must ensure that the change in the States in Curaçao has no effect for Aruba," said Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 12:15:54 AM

My heart's still holding out for "unwitting pawns".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

texasmom ... I know your heart's desire.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

However ... considering Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are still affiliated with John Silvetti tells me the relationship must be somehow beneficially to both of them.  Think about it.  Both these men have received compilations of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal and yet ... both are involved in raising funds to further the search for Natalee's remains.

Something is very wrong.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 12:28:03 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 12:40:39 AM

My heart's still holding out for "unwitting pawns".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

texasmom ... I know your heart's desire.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

However ... considering Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are still affiliated with John Silvetti tells me the relationship must be somehow beneficially to both of them.  Think about it.  Both these men have received compilations of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal and yet ... both are involved in raising funds to further the search for Natalee's remains.

Something is very wrong.

Janet

Both these men have received compilations of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal and yet ... both are involved in raising funds to further the search for Natalee's remains.
BOTH HAVE SEEN (TIM M. FIRST HAND) Dave H. the pics.....
Yes Janet.....
Something is very wrong.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 12:40:50 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

Goodnight Janet.That whole island knows the EVIL that exists with Paulus and his EVIL cohorts.Me thinks Paulus and Anita are fully aware of the POWER OF THE MONKEYS....
 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 12:48:23 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

Goodnight Janet.That whole island knows the EVIL that exists with Paulus and his EVIL cohorts.Me thinks Paulus and Anita are fully aware of the POWER OF THE MONKEYS....
 ::MonkeyMad::

Me thinks they are fully apprised of what we monkey's are up to & know.. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 12:50:03 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

Goodnight Janet.That whole island knows the EVIL that exists with Paulus and his EVIL cohorts.Me thinks Paulus and Anita are fully aware of the POWER OF THE MONKEYS....
 ::MonkeyMad::

Me thinks they are fully apprised of what we monkey's are up to & know.. ::MonkeyCool::

But,what do i know? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 12:50:55 AM
I do not want to be in a position to questions the father of Natalee's intentions......nor question the intentions of Tim Miller. I have the utmost sympathy for Dave's  loss...and utmost respect for all Tim has done after the loss of his daughter......
I know we don't have all the info that goes on behind the scenes...
But what I think I know based on what has been exposed....
something is not only hinky wrt the actions of Dave and Tim.....my conclusion is something is wrong......
As more info is unraveled...I hope I am wrong...
Until then.....their roles are now suspect......
Justice for Natalee....no compromise...wherever it may lead.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 12:55:30 AM
I do not want to be in a position to questions the father of Natalee's intentions......nor question the intentions of Tim Miller. I have the utmost sympathy for Dave's  loss...and utmost respect for all Tim has done after the loss of his daughter......
I know we don't have all the info that goes on behind the scenes...
But what I think I know based on what has been exposed....
something is not only hinky wrt the actions of Dave and Tim.....my conclusion is something is wrong......
As more info is unraveled...I hope I am wrong...
Until then.....their roles are now suspect......
Justice for Natalee....no compromise...wherever it may lead.....
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 01:02:04 AM
If Arabians are such a kind and gentle people, why have none of them come
forward with the information needed to help put the murderers of Natalee in
prison where they belong?  Everybody there seems to know everybody else's
business.  Are the kind and gentle people of Aruba afraid for their lives because
they are living under the thumb of a corrupt government?  I think they are.

Would the people who are so defensive about the natives of Aruba rise to their
defense if they did not have a monetary interest in the time shares on the island?
I doubt they would.
If Arabians are such a kind and gentle people, why have none of them come
forward with the information needed to help put the murderers of Natalee in
prison where they belong?
...they are not a kind and gentle people...the culture there is to praise the next scam they can get away with...
Are the kind and gentle people of Aruba afraid for their lives because
they are living under the thumb of a corrupt government?
They all play the same con job...they aren't afraid...there is no penalty when caught...just a slap on the wrist or look the other way...no consequences....
Would the people who are so defensive about the natives of Aruba rise to their
defense if they did not have a monetary interest in the time shares on the island?

They are all in the con game....drugs, money laundering, human trafficking.....blame tourists for whatever befalls them...it's dog eat dog on aruba.....it is there culture.......
With that perspective.....focus needs to be away from feeling sorry for arubans.....focus needs to be in nailing the perps.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:05:43 AM

My heart's still holding out for "unwitting pawns".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

texasmom ... I know your heart's desire.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

However ... considering Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are still affiliated with John Silvetti tells me the relationship must be somehow beneficially to both of them.  Think about it.  Both these men have received compilations of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal and yet ... both are involved in raising funds to further the search for Natalee's remains.

Something is very wrong.

Janet


Tim Miller's words to Dana Pretzer on Scared Monkeys Radio, said different.  From what I heard Tim Miller say, he is not involved in raising funds for the next ocean search.  Dave Holloway was not mentioned either as being involved in raising funds.  The only person Tim Miller named as being responsible for generating funds was Louis Schaefer. 

Do I believe Debbie from BFN, or Tim Miller?

Even with the recorded interview with Jen Hale, that I've never heard; lingering in the back of my mind.

For now until and unless more information comes forward, I believe Tim Miller.

_____________________________________________________________________

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - Special Guests: Alexis Moore and Maria Phelps, Mark Williams, Tim Miller, Steph Watts and Robin Sax with “Nothing but the Sax”
 
June 17th, 2009  Mark Williams, Missing Persons, Robin Sax, The Dana Pretzer Show, Tim Miller

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2009/06/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-wednesday-june-17-2009-special-guests-alexis-moore-and-maria-phelps-mark-williams-tim-miller-steph-watts-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but/


texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #577 on: June 18, 2009, 10:41:08 PM »

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg844967#msg844967

HT Klaasend

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 23, 2009, 01:08:56 AM
Re-run Haunting Evidence, Natalee Holloway, on tru-tv now.

Good night to night shift...... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 01:11:00 AM
Re-run Haunting Evidence, Natalee Holloway, on tru-tv now.

Good night to night shift...... :2waver:

TY Mere...Aruba....Natalee Holloway will NEVER go away!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 01:14:06 AM

My heart's still holding out for "unwitting pawns".   ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

texasmom ... I know your heart's desire.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

However ... considering Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are still affiliated with John Silvetti tells me the relationship must be somehow beneficially to both of them.  Think about it.  Both these men have received compilations of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal and yet ... both are involved in raising funds to further the search for Natalee's remains.

Something is very wrong.

Janet


Tim Miller's words to Dana Pretzer on Scared Monkeys Radio, said different.  From what I heard Tim Miller say, he is not involved in raising funds for the next ocean search.  Dave Holloway was not mentioned either as being involved in raising funds.  The only person Tim Miller named as being responsible for generating funds was Louis Schaefer. 

Do I believe Debbie from BFN, or Tim Miller?

Even with the recorded interview with Jen Hale, that I've never heard; lingering in the back of my mind.

For now until and unless more information comes forward, I believe Tim Miller.

_____________________________________________________________________

The Dana Pretzer Show On Scared Monkeys Radio - Wednesday, June 17, 2009 - Special Guests: Alexis Moore and Maria Phelps, Mark Williams, Tim Miller, Steph Watts and Robin Sax with “Nothing but the Sax”
 
June 17th, 2009  Mark Williams, Missing Persons, Robin Sax, The Dana Pretzer Show, Tim Miller

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2009/06/17/the-dana-pretzer-show-on-scared-monkeys-radio-wednesday-june-17-2009-special-guests-alexis-moore-and-maria-phelps-mark-williams-tim-miller-steph-watts-and-robin-sax-with-%e2%80%9cnothing-but/


texasmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #577 on: June 18, 2009, 10:41:08 PM »

This is not perfect but I tried to do a transcript of what Tim Miller said:

Tim Miller on Dana Pretzer 6/17/09 About the Holloway Case

You know what we’re having a big fundraiser in July and Beth is actually coming to our fundraiser.  You know we’ve done so very very much work in Aruba.  And I was actually with John Silvetti that did the water search over there and Louis Schaefer who actually funded that thing last time I was with them just a couple of weeks ago and the Natalee Holloway case is one of them that we still have 140+ targets over there that we located with the sonar equipment, it’s one of those things that we do want to get over there and investigate every one of them with the ROV send it down some of that stuffs in 1100 feet of water.  And again it’s going to be an extremely expensive search upwards of a million and a half dollars and again there’s one irresponsible reporter out of Birmingham Alabama that reported that we already had that one and a half million dollars secured.  And it’s one of the things that just killed our donations..I mean just killed em.  We got emails and phone calls of people that had donated to us said how in the world can you spend one and a half million dollars on the Natalee Holloway case when we have all these missing persons cases over here.  Again it’s was not like that.  We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on.  I know for a fact we will be back there someday.  I don’t think Fred Golba helped our relationship out over there in Aruba when he took his dog over there.  But I think we can mend all that stuff and move forward but I am certainly looking forward to the day when we get back over to Aruba continue that search and investigate every one of them objects that we’ve got out there in the sea.  See if we can pull off that miracle and get Natalee located.  Natalee is of course not priority right now and it’s because of funding and because of other cases we’ve got.  But I’m not going to say that she’s totally on the back burner neither. So you know it’s going to take another one of them miracles for Louis Schaefer to go ahead and generate the money and I know if anybody can do it it will be Louis Schaefer.  And when God blesses us with that then we’ll go over there and put every effort into seeing if by chance one of them objects is Natalee and we feel as though one of them are, we’ve just got to get the right one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg844967#msg844967

HT Klaasend

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/th_TimMillerPretzer61709NH.jpg) (http://s118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/?action=view&current=TimMillerPretzer61709NH.flv)

TexasMom....Good points...
I sincerely hope I'm wrong...more of this is what it will take (for me)...
thank you....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:17:01 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/07-01-twitty-ketting.jpg)

July 1, 2005

Natalee Holloway missing one months

While the camera keeps turning Beth Holloway Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, silently hands of Father Tony Peralta and her husband Jug. The father and stepmother of Natalee grieve. Director of Aruba Hotel And Tourism Association (AHATA) Jorge Pesquera, CMB Director Bill Carson and former Governor Olindo Koolman their sympathy.

ORANGE CITY - A human chain was commemorated yesterday that the 18-year-old Natalee Holloway missing just one months. Beth Holloway Twitty said later, still a little emotional, that the large turnout at the chain had surprised her.

Twitty: "There is so much support from the community, that is really heartwarming." Twitty said heartily hope that the three suspects remain attached. The judge may decide this weekend on the extension of the detention of Satish and Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot. Twitty: "They are like a strand of three tightly interwoven threads, the same token we use for the bracelets for Natalee. They are very tightly linked and they support each other. But now they are separate so I hope that they still talk and tell what they know. "
 
Twitty said to fear that the boys continue to refuse to tell what they know and the truth will never come to light. Twitty: "They know of Father Van der Sloot, who has been told of that possibility." Holloway's mother said meanwhile also "a little more" confidence in the investigation of the police. Twitty reacted reports last weekend when she learned that the judge the release of Paul van der Sloot ordered.
 
A large group of people standing hand in hand for five minutes stopped the loss of the teenager. Besides a large group of press and interested parties around the Holloway family extends a chain of Holiday Inn to about the Allegro Hotel. The five minutes silence was closed by a prayer by Father Tony Peralta, both in Papiamento and English pool for the Holloway and Twitty families and asked for the safe return of Natalee.
 
The initiative of the chain was taken by organizations such as hotel and tourism association AHATA, employers organization ATIA and Travel Agency ATA. Jorge Pesquera, director of AHATA: "This idea has occurred to be affected, it was proposed by members of AHATA and we have organized in a very short time. Our goal is to show that the missing Natalee in our thoughts. "In the chain were many tourists and employees of the hotels. Asked about the reason for their participation said two American tourists: "We do very little to do but to join the chain we want to support the family." (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:18:44 AM



Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 23, 2009, 01:24:13 AM
I hear what you're saying TM but,Does Tim Miller actually believe that it would take a person with over 100 million dollars,that works with Billionaires,very long to come up with 1.5million dollars?We're coming up on close to 2 years since the Persistence went down there.Do i believe it would take up to 2 yrs for people of such wealth,surrounded by people with even greater wealth,this long to come up with 1.5 million dollars?Absolutely not!Something is inherently wrong,when it takes people with this amount of wealth,to come up with such a small sum of money in relation to what they have..JMOO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 01:29:01 AM
Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 194:
  It's quiet in the room when i add, 'Oh, come on. Everyone knows there was a cover-up.' And to this, Jorge Pesquera, president and CEO of the Aruba Hotel and Tourism Association, shrugs his shoulders, nods in the affirmative, and says softly, 'Yes...yes there was'."


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:25 PM PT

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/07-01-twitty-ketting.jpg)

July 1, 2005

Natalee Holloway missing one months

While the camera keeps turning Beth Holloway Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway, silently hands of Father Tony Peralta and her husband Jug. The father and stepmother of Natalee grieve. Director of Aruba Hotel And Tourism Association (AHATA) Jorge Pesquera, CMB Director Bill Carson and former Governor Olindo Koolman their sympathy.

ORANGE CITY - A human chain was commemorated yesterday that the 18-year-old Natalee Holloway missing just one months. Beth Holloway Twitty said later, still a little emotional, that the large turnout at the chain had surprised her.

Twitty: "There is so much support from the community, that is really heartwarming." Twitty said heartily hope that the three suspects remain attached. The judge may decide this weekend on the extension of the detention of Satish and Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot. Twitty: "They are like a strand of three tightly interwoven threads, the same token we use for the bracelets for Natalee. They are very tightly linked and they support each other. But now they are separate so I hope that they still talk and tell what they know. "
 
Twitty said to fear that the boys continue to refuse to tell what they know and the truth will never come to light. Twitty: "They know of Father Van der Sloot, who has been told of that possibility." Holloway's mother said meanwhile also "a little more" confidence in the investigation of the police. Twitty reacted reports last weekend when she learned that the judge the release of Paul van der Sloot ordered.
 
A large group of people standing hand in hand for five minutes stopped the loss of the teenager. Besides a large group of press and interested parties around the Holloway family extends a chain of Holiday Inn to about the Allegro Hotel. The five minutes silence was closed by a prayer by Father Tony Peralta, both in Papiamento and English pool for the Holloway and Twitty families and asked for the safe return of Natalee.
 
The initiative of the chain was taken by organizations such as hotel and tourism association AHATA, employers organization ATIA and Travel Agency ATA. Jorge Pesquera, director of AHATA: "This idea has occurred to be affected, it was proposed by members of AHATA and we have organized in a very short time. Our goal is to show that the missing Natalee in our thoughts. "In the chain were many tourists and employees of the hotels. Asked about the reason for their participation said two American tourists: "We do very little to do but to join the chain we want to support the family." (Amigoe)
Scam from the get go.....aruba is a devil island driven by a corrupt govt that decided early (1970s) on that tourism (Americans) was their cover for all things evil....drugs, money laundering, human trafficking......
flash forward to 2005...it is clear to me that they think they have perfected it......
will it be enough to deny Justice for Natalee? ...
I'll be hear as long as it takes to prevent that......
And like so many smart Monkeys have already said.....the perps WILL face judgment...in this life or the next.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:33:53 AM
What a difference a few days make!  Guess the picture in my prior post didn't capture Mr. Merryweather and this group at the prayer chain.  Imagine all this over calling two suspects in your daughter's disappearance CRIMINALS; who have in the very least ADMITTED to giving false statements to the authorities regarding their activities with her the night she disappeared.

http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal.htm

July 7, 2005

Protest against Aruba reporting and criticism Twitty

(http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/protest1.jpg)  (http://www.korps-politie-suriname.com/nieuws/nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/archief%20nieuwsbronnen%20internationaal/2005/2005-07-nieuwsbronnen-internationaal/protest2.jpg)

A group of angry citizens gathered yesterday afternoon in the court building to protest against reports in the American press. Some protests were aimed at Beth Twitty, who released the two Kalpoe brothers 'criminals' mentioned.

ORANGE CITY - A group of angry citizens gathered yesterday afternoon for the courthouse. They protested against the coverage in the U.S. media about Aruba and the exhaust of Beth Twitty, the mother of missing Natalee Holloway.

The protestors had signs with them with text that says "Stop bad press coverage" and "Natalee, where are you - still in Aruba?", Thus suggesting that the missing Holloway would have run away. Twitty was an intense emotional press conference earlier that day she told the assembled media to know for sure that "the two criminals who were freed yesterday were involved in the disappearance of my daughter. Twitty said deeply concerned about the fact that the two boys now freely among the tourists and citizens can walk around and worry that the two will leave Aruba.
 
Satish Kalpoe's lawyer, Elgin Zeppenfeldt, calls the statements of Twitty "harmful, incitement, slanderous and terrible. "My client was released on July 4 by an impartial judge who ruled that the suspicions and the legal basis for his detention is no longer present. Under Aruban law, as in all other civilized countries, a person is innocent until proven guilty in court. "
 
Stresses Zeppenfeldt Satish Kalpoe has always maintained his innocence and has fully cooperated with the investigation. The lawyers of the two brothers have also reported that the Kalpoe family planned a vacation to Suriname has canceled precisely to the appearance that they would flee to avoid Aruba. (Amigoe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 01:35:34 AM
We are all here for Justice for Natalee....that is our end game!
I so appreciate that we can agree and sometimes disagree on pieces of the puzzle, and still stay focused on the end game....
Good Night Good Monkeys....
thank you all for letting me be a part of this great community....
The community that demands Justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:50:29 AM
I hear what you're saying TM but,Does Tim Miller actually believe that it would take a person with over 100 million dollars,that works with Billionaires,very long to come up with 1.5million dollars?We're coming up on close to 2 years since the Persistence went down there.Do i believe it would take up to 2 yrs for people of such wealth,surrounded by people with even greater wealth,this long to come up with 1.5 million dollars?Absolutely not!Something is inherently wrong,when it takes people with this amount of wealth,to come up with such a small sum of money in relation to what they have..JMOO

I honestly don't know what Tim Miller believes.

THIS IS JUST MY OPINION:

I believe that Tim Miller intentionally placed all the responsibility for raising the funds for another ocean search flat in the lap of the man that KNOWS better than anyone...there's no need for another ocean search for Natalee.

I also believe that no corporation that could or would donate generously to such an endeavor, would not check into WHO they were going to turn that kind of money over to.  I believe they would more than likely uncover far more than we have here.  Could be WHY "We don’t have ten cents secured for the Natalee Holloway case to go back to Aruba yet, it’s one of the things that Louis Schaefer is working on."  I also believe it's quite possibly WHY H. Ross Perot "didn't come through" right before the Persistence left Aruba. 

In all the research that's been done has anyone ever uncovered any other humanitarian effort of Louis Schaefer before or since the Persistence mission?  Just askin'.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 01:56:44 AM
We are all here for Justice for Natalee....that is our end game!
I so appreciate that we can agree and sometimes disagree on pieces of the puzzle, and still stay focused on the end game....
Good Night Good Monkeys....
thank you all for letting me be a part of this great community....
The community that demands Justice for Natalee....

We all want the same thing, and we've got to keep digging and searching; and hoping and praying that the Truth and Justice will come for Natalee and her family.  We can agree to disagree on any number of things, but our goal is the same.  That's all that matters.

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 23, 2009, 02:03:35 AM
We are all here for Justice for Natalee....that is our end game!
I so appreciate that we can agree and sometimes disagree on pieces of the puzzle, and still stay focused on the end game....
Good Night Good Monkeys....
thank you all for letting me be a part of this great community....
The community that demands Justice for Natalee....

We all want the same thing, and we've got to keep digging and searching; and hoping and praying that the Truth and Justice will come for Natalee and her family.  We can agree to disagree on any number of things, but our goal is the same.  That's all that matters.

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: 
We will get the barsturds TexasMom...
You carry me through so much....
Good night....
Magnolia....I see you.....
same sentiments for you....
Good night....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 23, 2009, 02:04:58 AM
If Arabians are such a kind and gentle people, why have none of them come
forward with the information needed to help put the murderers of Natalee in
prison where they belong?  Everybody there seems to know everybody else's
business.  Are the kind and gentle people of Aruba afraid for their lives because
they are living under the thumb of a corrupt government?  I think they are.

Would the people who are so defensive about the natives of Aruba rise to their
defense if they did not have a monetary interest in the time shares on the island?
I doubt they would.
If Arabians are such a kind and gentle people, why have none of them come
forward with the information needed to help put the murderers of Natalee in
prison where they belong?
...they are not a kind and gentle people...the culture there is to praise the next scam they can get away with...
Are the kind and gentle people of Aruba afraid for their lives because
they are living under the thumb of a corrupt government?
They all play the same con job...they aren't afraid...there is no penalty when caught...just a slap on the wrist or look the other way...no consequences....
Would the people who are so defensive about the natives of Aruba rise to their
defense if they did not have a monetary interest in the time shares on the island?

They are all in the con game....drugs, money laundering, human trafficking.....blame tourists for whatever befalls them...it's dog eat dog on aruba.....it is there culture.......
With that perspective.....focus needs to be away from feeling sorry for arubans.....focus needs to be in nailing the perps.....

That was because Julia Renfro's mother and Elaine S at RU were carrying on about the Monkeys trying spew ugly things
about the good and kind people of Aruba and cause them ecconomic devastion.  All the while they are saying everything
derogotory they can about the Monkeys.  They hate those empty beach WebCam shots


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 02:10:10 AM
This may be a repeat but I don't recall it being posted.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/natalee-holloway-impact-aruba-four-years-later

The "Natalee Holloway Impact" on Aruba--Four Years Later

Share:     by Michelle Says So | May 30, 2009 at 05:47 pm
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Photos

Has the injustice of Natalee Holloway wrecked a permanent havoc on Aruba’s tourism, economy and reputation for the last four years?

Let’s see…

EXHIBIT A:

Google “Aruba Boycott” and get 1,400 hits.

Google, “Boycott and Natalee Holloway” and get 22,700 hits.

Google, “Boycott Aruba” and get 26,000 hits.

Do I need to try other search engines to make my point?

EXHIBIT B:

In 2008 alone:

The E! Network put out two “documentaries”.  One was “The Final Hours of Natalee Holloway”; and “20 Most Shocking Unsolved Crimes” in which Natalee’s case was listed as the #1 “most shocking” unsolved crime.

This was above Jimmy Hoffa.

Above the Zodiac Killer.

Above Jon Benet Ramsey.

Amazing!

2008 also gave us A&E’s Bill Kurtis and the famous series “American Justice” that produced an hour special on Natalee’s case.  Using a different take, the show focused more on the ongoing recovery efforts to find Natalee’s body.

Haunting Evidence did an hour special using a psychic and some “ghost buster” toys in order to find out the truth of what Joran did with Natalee that last night.

…AND DON’T FORGET!  The Peter de Vries Special that changed EVERYTHING.

ABC’s 20/20 with Chris Cuomo did an hour long story on Natalee’s case up to date, including the aftermath of the “Peter de Vries Hidden Camera” scandal, and Joran’s “side job” of “alleged” sex trafficking of women between the borders of Thailand and the Netherlands…all conveniently caught on secret videotape.

A “Sex, Lies and Videotape” of the new millennium?  Could be…

Last, but never least…Greta van Susteren’s “career changing interview” with Joran after her multi-month man hunt across the globe to obtain interviews with witnesses and Joran himself who told Greta on camera that he did not kill Natalee, but sold her to an unknown man in Aruba for $10,000 after two brief exchanges in the casinos of Aruba.

Hours after the taped “confession”, Joran contacted Greta via email and recanted his entire story.

EXHIBIT C:

Only half way through 2009…

The Natalee Holloway Story was produced by the Lifetime Movie Network and was viewed by a record setting 3.2 million people when it aired in April of 2009.  It was the highest viewed movie in Lifetime’s 11-year history.

ENOUGH SAID

When in history has a “missing person-turned-corruption-case” garnered so much worldwide attention, especially after four years?

It is because of the people.  These are the "little people" with a HUGE voice that want to see justice.  They want to see the new developments or what Joran’s new lie will be.  They want to see punishment for those involved, and they want Natalee’s family to obtain closure.

The media feeds off what the public wants to see and hear.  Thanks to the media, Natalee’s case has never “gone cold”.  With every movie, documentary and book, Aruba’s massive wound continues to rip open with an increase of pain each time.

I know there are people out there who have no clue of Natalee Holloway.  However when I mention to someone that I write a blog about Natalee Holloway, and they say, “Who?”  The only words I need to use to jog their memories are “Aruba” and “missing”.

Ah ha!  It works every time.

Each time just one person mentions her case to another person, those negative images and stories are stored either in one's immediate conscious or will lie in the subconscious.

Perhaps that particular conversation knowingly or not, will be the cause of one less person visiting Aruba.

OH, and by the way, Carlos-n-Charlies in Aruba closed (due to the poor economy..yuk, yuk...)

-Michelle Says So

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com


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René
at 20:27 on May 30th, 2009

What is the significance of Carlos'nCharlie's closing?

 
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Michelle Says So
at 21:23 on May 30th, 2009

That is the last place Natalee was seen alive. 

 
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CJaye
at 04:22 on June 1st, 2009

Thank you for writing this story.

 
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reply fed up (not verified)
at 13:07 on June 23rd, 2009

Ow please....

There are girl gone missing everyday in the US....what makes this girl sooooo special??? Noone cares enough bout the other people who's gone missing to help THEM out!!! This girl got into a car with 3 STRANGERSSSSS and then something bad happend to her. Wel there's a big surprise!!! Why in the world would she get into the car in the first place. Why would her FRIENDS let her go with 3 GUYS she doesn't really know. And it's ARUBA's fault she went missing??? Hmmmmm i don't think so. Would u boycot the US after seeing HOW MANY people go missing EVERYDAY???? pls people....move on!!! Ít's been 4 YEARS!!! If we haven't found her (alive of death) by now, we probably never will.

I would most def visit Aruba after this. Since there is only 1 known case of someone gone missing there....and soooooo many gone missing in US. I believe I can rest my case now.

And all of u who think u should boycot an ENTIRE island, just because 1 GIRL went missing. I hope u can rest peacefully at night, knowing that ur children and loved once are asleep, safe and sound in their own rooms (OR ARE THEY????)

 
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Michelle Says So
at 14:39 on June 23rd, 2009

If you were wise enough to see my OTHER blog, Michelle Says So, I DO pay attention to OTHER MISSING PEOPLE.

Research before you babble...

 
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reply terry herger (not verified)
at 17:54 on July 19th, 2009

it's not because one girl went missint--it's because how the case was handled--don't go to ARUBA --it's not SAFE

 
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reply Arubian (not verified)
at 14:14 on June 23rd, 2009

Carlos & Charlies got closed because it was renamed to Sr Frogs and moved to a slightly bigger location.

We're still getting lots of tourists despite the economic meltdown.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 02:20:19 AM
Re-run Haunting Evidence, Natalee Holloway, on tru-tv now.

Good night to night shift...... :2waver:

Thanks Mere!  Sorry I missed telling you "Good night"!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Quote
Re-run Haunting Evidence, Natalee Holloway, on tru-tv now.

In the words of some of my favorite Monkey friends.... ::MonkeyWink:: 

Suck on that Aruba!  This story is NEVER going away! ::MonkeyTease::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 02:56:28 AM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61421.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Children chollerhuis

August 22, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The police station in Oranjestad was on Thursday late afternoon are reports of a few adult men with minor children choller-house on Mozart Street would be walked. Agents tore immediately, but once arrived they found nobody. However, they found an illegal electricity connection. The agents pulled the cable path and set Elmar informed.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 23, 2009, 03:01:46 AM
My "mantra" has always been that our FBI is more "tuned in" to the case than what we have been told. Kermit has given me restored faith that his is true............ BUT I can't help but to worry that we are all "whistling in the dark".  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 03:27:40 AM
8/12/2009 Awe Mainta Page 20

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

during operacion internacional......... more of 750 kilo of cocaina, hash, heroin, xtc y arm owing to stay confisca y 2 antiyano deteni

pa: godfried adem

amsterdam - more cu 750 kilo of cocaina more one cantidad of 3000 kilo of hash, 39 kilo of heroin, thousand of pildora of xtc, one revolver, one pistol, one seedoo, y documentonan y several pc, is thing autoridadnan of one team internacional, consistiendo of autoridadnan spanish y britanico owing to come confisca on one yacht belero, because; on ground at europa.

one overall of 47 sospechoso owing to stay deteni, bao of cual tripulantenan of the yacht cual is two man antillean procedente of sint maarten.

the detencionnan owing to being realisa ribe the yacht y also at ground at spain because; at inglatera in transcurso of tuesday ultimo.

ribe yacht self procedente of sint maarten owing to find 250 kilo of cociana, the armanan of candela, the seedoo, y documentonan. sobra owing to being confisca at ground.

was one operacion big cu owing to last some month first cu can owing to detene the near here cual his cabesantenan all is spanish, kendenan is opera for of the people costeño costa del sol at spain.

some month happen autoridadnan owing to come cay on pista of the near here cual already for some time owing to take away tonelada of drugs europa. paisnan cu they was abastece at europa was inglatera y the netherlands.

but majority of the cargamento was destina for the netherlands according autoridadnan spanish.

according informe of 'direccion general de polisia y guardia civil' spanish, they owing to realisa the operativo here conhuntamente cu another entidadnan local cual is 'agencia tributaria' cu till aduana spanish y also cu soca cu is stop for serious organised crime agency of police english.

they owing to come is work conhuntamente cu soca debi cu this t’esun cu owing to inicia cu the investigacion at level internacional. autoridadnan spanish self owing to detene 8 person among they the 2 antianonan here cu nacionalidad dutch kendenan was on the yacht. the sobranan owing to stay detene at ground, they nacionalidad is spanish, colombiano, italian, y english.

the sobranan for of the cantidad of 47 owing to stay detene for autoridadnan britanico at inglatera.

the modus operandi of the organisacion criminal here was of busca the drugs at colombia, trece this cu boat till serca of costa of the country for for of eynan another are of person tume this after of some day for entrega this n’esnan cu owing to cumpre serca the near.

autoridadnan spanish y britanico conhuntamente owing to arise one team cual for of march ultimo owing to come is tap the near here 24 hour.

one overall of 150 cord of telephone stay of tap during of the investigacion here of acuerdo cu dirrecion general of police y guardia civil spanish.

they owing to come achieve know cu the cabesantenan of the near here at several ocasion owing to trip for colombia because; without maarten for come across cu esnan owner of cartelnan of drugs.

at half ultimo they owing to come achieve know cu they have one yacht at sint maarten cu is saliendo for of sint maarten for bay busca the drugs once more at colombia.

at june the yacht here owing to bandona phillipsburg at sint maarten cu direction for colombia for eynan busca the drugs for lever europa cune. hour they owing to carga the drugs abordo, they not owing to leave at once for europa. the tripulante owing to nabega bay antigua first, where at stay for some day.

of ey they owing to cruza oceano atlantico direction for europa.

some day happen, esta end of july the embarcacion here owing to arrive island azores y eynan autoridadnan owing to they cuminsa vigila they intensivamente.

the drugs the trip here will was destina for market britanico y at instant cu they owing to dicidi at bandona harbour of the island here, servicio special of guardia civil owing to lever the yacht y owing to detene the tripulante.

simultaneamente ne detencion here tanto at spain because; at inglatera several detencion more owing to cay y had several entrance hudicial cu owing to produci detencion also.

some of they're in town of malaga at spain where several empresa of horeca y one agencia of car owing to being visit y they doñonan owing to stay deteni debi cu they will was help wash coin pe near here.

the operacion here cu owing to carga of name 'operation candelight' was one exitoso according the comunicado of autoridadnan spanish.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 23, 2009, 04:27:23 AM
My "mantra" has always been that our FBI is more "tuned in" to the case than what we have been told. Kermit has given me restored faith that his is true............ BUT I can't help but to worry that we are all "whistling in the dark".  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Domain Name   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government
Continent:North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
Time of Visit   Aug 19 2009 12:12:45 pm


Continent:Europe
Country:Netherlands  (Facts)
State/Region:Zuid-Holland
City:Den Haag
Apr 9 2009 5:23:36 am

See what she was looking at
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
Visit Entry Pagehttp://scaredmonkeys...om/index.php?s=depak

bastibro - see his referring url
Domain Name versatel.nl ? (Netherlands)
IP Address 87.210.121.# (Versatel Nederland B.V.)
ISP Versatel Nederland B.V.
Continent:Europe
Country:Netherlands  (Facts)
State/Region:Noord-Holland
City :Bussum
Lat/Long:52.2833, 5.2 (Map)
Referring URL h1ttp://idiotsfoundon...idiots-found-online/



Domain Name mcb-bank.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 200.26.196.# (Antelecom N.V)
ISP Antelecom N.V
Continent:South America
Country:Netherlands Antilles  (Facts)
City:Willemstad
Lat/Long:12.1, -68.9167 (Map)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 23, 2009, 04:33:42 AM
My "mantra" has always been that our FBI is more "tuned in" to the case than what we have been told. Kermit has given me restored faith that his is true............ BUT I can't help but to worry that we are all "whistling in the dark".  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Domain Name   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government
Continent:North America
Country:United States  (Facts)
Time of Visit   Aug 19 2009 12:12:45 pm


Continent:Europe
Country:Netherlands  (Facts)
State/Region:Zuid-Holland
City:Den Haag
Apr 9 2009 5:23:36 am

See what she was looking at
Domain Name setardsl.aw ? (Aruba)
IP Address 201.229.31.# (Setarnet)
Visit Entry Pagehttp://scaredmonkeys...om/index.php?s=depak

bastibro - see his referring url
Domain Name versatel.nl ? (Netherlands)
IP Address 87.210.121.# (Versatel Nederland B.V.)
ISP Versatel Nederland B.V.
Continent:Europe
Country:Netherlands  (Facts)
State/Region:Noord-Holland
City :Bussum
Lat/Long:52.2833, 5.2 (Map)
Referring URL h1ttp://idiotsfoundon...idiots-found-online/



Domain Name mcb-bank.com ? (Commercial)
IP Address 200.26.196.# (Antelecom N.V)
ISP Antelecom N.V
Continent:South America
Country:Netherlands Antilles  (Facts)
City:Willemstad
Lat/Long:12.1, -68.9167 (Map)

::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 04:39:53 AM



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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 04:43:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 04:51:11 AM


Good night wreck!  I think we both might rest a bit easier now.

Thank you Kermit!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 09:36:50 AM



Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Good morning texasmom?    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
Good Morning Monkeys!  Good Morning Zookeepers!

As with each day ....

Psalm 118:24
This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.


  ::MonkeyCheer2::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2009, 10:10:43 AM
Posted: Aug. 23, 2009
Arizona rocks Aruba for world championshipBY JON MACHOTA
FREE PRESS SPECIAL WRITER

http://www.freep.com/article/20090823/SPORTS02/908230550/-1/rss07

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2009, 10:13:00 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2009, 10:37:16 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 10:38:34 AM



Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Good morning texasmom?    ::MonkeyAngel::

Good morning Janet!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
Posted: Aug. 23, 2009
Arizona rocks Aruba for world championshipBY JON MACHOTA
FREE PRESS SPECIAL WRITER

http://www.freep.com/article/20090823/SPORTS02/908230550/-1/rss07

 ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 10:49:40 AM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom1.jpg)
::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 10:57:36 AM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-friday-21-august-2009

Home-made party drug back on the scene

While smoking is down, party drug ghb appears to be back on the scene according to nrc.next. Once used in hospitals as an anaesthetic, gamma hydroxyl butyric acid made its entry into the Amsterdam dance scene in the 1990s. “Back then it was new,” says drugs researcher of the University of Amsterdam, Ton Nabben. “Now people are using it more and more in public. People don’t even bat an eyelid if someone goes into a coma during a night out.”
 
Because ghb occurs naturally in the body, it appears innocent, but an overdose can be lethal. Short-term side effects can be nausea, memory loss, serious breathing difficulties, convulsions and coma. Years ago researchers thought the drug was not addictive, a dramatic increase in ghb additions has led the Trimbos Institute to sound the alarm. It is cheap to buy and easy to make from ingredients that you might find under the sink. It is like alcohol, but without the hangover. Needless to say the journalist tries out an internet recipe, but when she has it tested is told “I wouldn’t drink it neat”.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 11:01:46 AM


Have a great day Monkeys!  BBL!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 23, 2009, 04:22:57 PM
 BoxerDawg and 2 Guests

Hi Ya Monkeys and Guests!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 04:59:38 PM
Just driving by.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
2:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
Agraria

I see ya in the rafters.  Come on down.

The following post that you submitted to the forum back in May of this year is a Tamikosmom keeper.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

Agraria
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #1092 on: May 11, 2009, 03:52:40 AM »


Anita van der Sloot is the last Mother that needs honoring. She needs to be realistic and talk to a counselor about her narcissistic group of "boys" before she sees the little ones ruined. I dothink she knows now. But is trying to live in denial for the moment..

Then let's honor the Mother who is truly an example of the ideal Mother. A woman who taught her children the values of faith, honesty, honor, self-respect, hard work, and respect for others. Among other things... This Mother is one of the reasons we will always be here for Natalee and for Beth. She has done what we all pray that we will be able to do should our child need us to do. Beth has the spirit of Joan of Arc. She has a job to do in Natalee's absence and she will continue as long as it takes. And we will stand with her and support her and our Natalee.

Beth Holloway...The monkeys honor you and Natalee today. You are the wonderful Mother we all aspire to be.

With Love,

Tricia

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg802560#msg802560



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
Tamikosmom, Agraria and 7 Guests are viewing this board.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 23, 2009, 07:34:43 PM
Agraria

I see ya in the rafters.  Come on down.

The following post that you submitted to the forum back in May of this year is a Tamikosmom keeper.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++

Agraria
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #818 4/30/09 -
« Reply #1092 on: May 11, 2009, 03:52:40 AM »


Anita van der Sloot is the last Mother that needs honoring. She needs to be realistic and talk to a counselor about her narcissistic group of "boys" before she sees the little ones ruined. I dothink she knows now. But is trying to live in denial for the moment..

Then let's honor the Mother who is truly an example of the ideal Mother. A woman who taught her children the values of faith, honesty, honor, self-respect, hard work, and respect for others. Among other things... This Mother is one of the reasons we will always be here for Natalee and for Beth. She has done what we all pray that we will be able to do should our child need us to do. Beth has the spirit of Joan of Arc. She has a job to do in Natalee's absence and she will continue as long as it takes. And we will stand with her and support her and our Natalee.

Beth Holloway...The monkeys honor you and Natalee today. You are the wonderful Mother we all aspire to be.

With Love,

Tricia

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4924.msg802560#msg802560


::MonkeyAngel::

Hello Janet!!

That is so sweet that you remember that post about Mother's Day and Beth!

I think we are all here for that very reason.

I just came by to check up on you all in hopes of new info. However... I have been getting booted offline for an hour trying to get here. FINALLY made it tho.

Janet, I thank you for always keeping the page updated and moving with your posts. I told some friends last night about the loyalty here ...perseverance...continuity. Just for the sincere honor of Beth, Natalee, and Dave. The eternal search for justice for Nat.  For us all really.

Of course, we also battle some unknown force crawling around on this earth. It is hard to believe "they" get away with this stuff.
Also their deeds are being covered up by lots of people, efforts, money and organizations around the world. Mmmm...I wonder what the connections are....There is a huge benefit somewhere that I have not figured out.

They thought Natalee would be one more unnoticed child missing...Gee...WERE THEY WRONG! 

Anyway, thanks for all the work you do...It is appreciated!

Tricia
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 07:42:48 PM
Hi Agraria - just thought I would say hello before moving on to another thread.
I appreciate your lovely words about Beth.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 23, 2009, 07:46:18 PM
Hi Agraria - just thought I would say hello before moving on to another thread.
I appreciate your lovely words about Beth.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Can..glad you said hello!

We all feel a special connection to Beth, I imagine.

Thanks for the shout.

Tricia


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
Hi Agraria - just thought I would say hello before moving on to another thread.
I appreciate your lovely words about Beth.   ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi Can..glad you said hello!

We all feel a special connection to Beth, I imagine.

Thanks for the shout.

Tricia

You're welcome Tricia.
Yes, it would be difficult to understand how any Mother could not feel a connection to Beth.

Justicce for Natalee~!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 23, 2009, 07:53:59 PM
Let's see if we can send 60 Minutes after Silvetti and Scheafer. ::MonkeyDance::

That might be better than the FBI and the Treasury Dept and the SEC all put together.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 23, 2009, 08:29:10 PM
Let's see if we can send 60 Minutes after Silvetti and Scheafer. ::MonkeyDance::

That might be better than the FBI and the Treasury Dept and the SEC all put together.

Who was it on the ship with them and Tim when the cage was first noticed?  Maybe they would like to go back and finish finish what they started.

I still say we need to turn Greta on to this and see what she can dig up.

Good afternoon Monkeys.  Hi to Can and Agraria.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-friday-21-august-2009

Home-made party drug back on the scene

While smoking is down, party drug ghb appears to be back on the scene according to nrc.next. Once used in hospitals as an anaesthetic, gamma hydroxyl butyric acid made its entry into the Amsterdam dance scene in the 1990s. “Back then it was new,” says drugs researcher of the University of Amsterdam, Ton Nabben. “Now people are using it more and more in public. People don’t even bat an eyelid if someone goes into a coma during a night out.”
 
Because ghb occurs naturally in the body, it appears innocent, but an overdose can be lethal. Short-term side effects can be nausea, memory loss, serious breathing difficulties, convulsions and coma. Years ago researchers thought the drug was not addictive, a dramatic increase in ghb additions has led the Trimbos Institute to sound the alarm. It is cheap to buy and easy to make from ingredients that you might find under the sink. It is like alcohol, but without the hangover. Needless to say the journalist tries out an internet recipe, but when she has it tested is told “I wouldn’t drink it neat”.


This is just insane.  Human beings do not lapse into unconsciousness without incurring some degree of brain damage even if it is only minimal from stuff like this.  That is why it is so complex to sedate people for surgery, not just anybody is allowed to do this for a very good reason. 

This has been deemed unsafe for trained health care professionals so what do they think it is in the hands of a bunch of social rejects who probably don't know from Shinola about anything let alone the sedation of human beings.

This kind of drug has but one use--to render a person helpless--and so not only should be highly illegal but should carry tremendouse sentences for abuse with it.  Oh, that's right.  In the NL, nothing carries a tremendous sentence.

They will kill people then wonder what happened.     ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 23, 2009, 08:36:14 PM
That is truly a lovely Mother's Day post to Beth.  That day has to be especially hard for her and I have never known what to post but that is very well stated.


 
::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 08:40:54 PM
Hi back to you Blue Moon! 

Good evening Monkeys!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 23, 2009, 08:51:24 PM
http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-friday-21-august-2009

Home-made party drug back on the scene

While smoking is down, party drug ghb appears to be back on the scene according to nrc.next. Once used in hospitals as an anaesthetic, gamma hydroxyl butyric acid made its entry into the Amsterdam dance scene in the 1990s. “Back then it was new,” says drugs researcher of the University of Amsterdam, Ton Nabben. “Now people are using it more and more in public. People don’t even bat an eyelid if someone goes into a coma during a night out.”
 
Because ghb occurs naturally in the body, it appears innocent, but an overdose can be lethal. Short-term side effects can be nausea, memory loss, serious breathing difficulties, convulsions and coma. Years ago researchers thought the drug was not addictive, a dramatic increase in ghb additions has led the Trimbos Institute to sound the alarm. It is cheap to buy and easy to make from ingredients that you might find under the sink. It is like alcohol, but without the hangover. Needless to say the journalist tries out an internet recipe, but when she has it tested is told “I wouldn’t drink it neat”.

 ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 08:52:45 PM
Greta seemed so dedicated to Natalee's case at one time.  I wonder if she still keeps in contact with Beth.

Did we ever hear the end of Greta's story - when she interviewed Joran and he
said something about Natalee being sold for 10 grand - which Joran later recanted.  Didn't she try to contact Pros. Moss (sp) about this?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 23, 2009, 08:54:41 PM
That is truly a lovely Mother's Day post to Beth.  That day has to be especially hard for her and I have never known what to post but that is very well stated.


 
::MonkeyHeart::

Thanks Anna!

That was an excerpt from a conversation you and I were having that day. I had forgotten but Janet recalled and posted it today.

I hope you are having a great day there....

Tricia

Hello all you little quiet monkeys out there!

Agraria, can, 2NJSons_Mom, Blue Moon, Anna and 6 Guests are viewing this board.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 23, 2009, 08:57:10 PM
Greta seemed so dedicated to Natalee's case at one time.  I wonder if she still keeps in contact with Beth.

Did we ever hear the end of Greta's story - when she interviewed Joran and he
said something about Natalee being sold for 10 grand - which Joran later recanted.  Didn't she try to contact Pros. Moss (sp) about this?



I don't know what Greta ia working on now but recently (a month ago..?) she said on her blog that she is very much still researching the case. Gets calls and works on it at least twice a week.... I am hopeful


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 08:59:31 PM
Greta seemed so dedicated to Natalee's case at one time.  I wonder if she still keeps in contact with Beth.

Did we ever hear the end of Greta's story - when she interviewed Joran and he
said something about Natalee being sold for 10 grand - which Joran later recanted.  Didn't she try to contact Pros. Moss (sp) about this?



I don't know what Greta ia working on now but recently (a month ago..?) she said on her blog that she is very much still researching the case. Gets calls and works on it at least twice a week.... I am hopeful

Agraria - that is great news! 

Hurry up Greta! ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 23, 2009, 09:04:39 PM
Goodnight all sweet monkeys...

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Pray for Natalee and her family!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
Goodnight all sweet monkeys...

 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Pray for Natalee and her family!

Good night Agraria -  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 23, 2009, 09:33:35 PM
Good Evening, Evening Crew...... :2waver:

Caught up on the news here and on to see what is happening on other threads.... ::MonkeyBike::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 09:43:11 PM
Good Evening, Evening Crew...... :2waver:

Caught up on the news here and on to see what is happening on other threads.... ::MonkeyBike::



Good evening Mere!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 09:51:39 PM
Good Evening, Evening Crew...... :2waver:

Caught up on the news here and on to see what is happening on other threads.... ::MonkeyBike::



Hi Mere good to see you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 23, 2009, 09:51:53 PM
Good Evening, Evening Crew...... :2waver:

Caught up on the news here and on to see what is happening on other threads.... ::MonkeyBike::


Hi Mere.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 09:52:07 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 23, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11339/6/

tension venezuela vs colombia is empeora

saturday, 22 august 2009 - 15:29

although cu during one during rueda of prensa internacional on tuesday august 18, 2009, sra hillary clinton owing to declara cu the in corto time firmamento of decreto militar of cooperacion among merca y colombia is one decreto cu will give colombia fortaleza for combati narcotrafico y terrorismo, the tension among venezuela y colombia is empeorando. click read more for more info...

ministro colombiano of departamento of exterior cual also did take part of the rueda of prensa here owing to splica on the actual meeting extraordinario among his person y departamento of estado mericano. according chairman chavez the actual reunionan at washington among colombia y merca is only one preparacion for invadi miltarmente country venezuela. according informe investigativo will have more cu cuatro (4) basenan militar mericano cu will being estableci at colombia although this do not defini. by month of july 2009, servicio of inteligencia mericano is vigilando chairman hugo chavez mirando cu misilnan of swisa cu owing to being bendi at venezuela recientemente owing to cay in power of are militante at colombia farc. for such motibo at once colombia owing to declara cu the cooperacion militar among estados unidos y colombia come across, will take one posicion various of only vigila movecion of narcotrafico. the basenan at aruba y curacao of forward operations also will is part integral of the plan colombia of merca y country colombia. is stay now at state department mericano for in corto time declara kico exactly the posicion will is of forward operations at aruba, although mirando the continuo escala y antagonizacion of chairman chavez contra merca y in same tone interest of venezuela in aruba y another islands close of venezuela is haci one solucion diplomatico more extensivo. raportahe of norberto tjon ajong-diaz granados 24ora.com u.s.a.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 10:26:07 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Thanks San.

We have friends who live on the Canadian side of Point Roberts and ... they were concerned that this guy may be lurking about.  Think about it.  Ryan Jenkins, may have killed in rage but the way he mutilated his wife's body to avoid identification implies others could be at risk in his attempt to avoid capture.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 10:33:16 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Thanks San.

We have friends who live on the Canadian side of Point Roberts and ... they were concerned that this guy may be lurking about.  Think about it.  Ryan Jenkins, may have killed in rage but the way he mutilated his wife's body to avoid identification implies others could be at risk in his attempt to avoid capture.

Janet

This guy has been violent his whole life.  This wasn't a one time fit of rage.  He has been violent before with other girlfriends.  He was ordered to seek counseling at one time.  People like him never change and I don't care who much counseling they have.  JMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 10:34:20 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Thanks San.

We have friends who live on the Canadian side of Point Roberts and ... they were concerned that this guy may be lurking about.  Think about it.  Ryan Jenkins, may have killed in rage but the way he mutilated his wife's body to avoid identification implies others could be at risk in his attempt to avoid capture.

Janet

This guy has been violent his whole life.  This wasn't a one time fit of rage.  He has been violent before with other girlfriends.  He was ordered to seek counseling at one time.  People like him never change and I don't care who much counseling they have.  JMO.

I will bet any amount of money he was a sociopath.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 10:41:18 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Thanks San.

We have friends who live on the Canadian side of Point Roberts and ... they were concerned that this guy may be lurking about.  Think about it.  Ryan Jenkins, may have killed in rage but the way he mutilated his wife's body to avoid identification implies others could be at risk in his attempt to avoid capture.

Janet

This guy has been violent his whole life.  This wasn't a one time fit of rage.  He has been violent before with other girlfriends.  He was ordered to seek counseling at one time.  People like him never change and I don't care who much counseling they have.  JMO.

The article says that his body was found in a motel in British Columbia.  I would sure like to know where this motel is located.  Point Roberts ... his point of illegal entry into Canada ... is not far from where I reside.  Maybe a 40 minute drive.  Hubby is flipping the channels to see if there is anything on the local news.

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
O/T

CANADIAN POLICE SAY REALITY SHOW CONTESTANT ACCUSED OF MODEL'S MURDER FOUND DEAD OF APPARENT SUICIDE

Read More:
http://email.foxnews.com/t?ctl=15DF:B706EEACFAA79DF77A738A75AE91E1D2&


Thanks San.

We have friends who live on the Canadian side of Point Roberts and ... they were concerned that this guy may be lurking about.  Think about it.  Ryan Jenkins, may have killed in rage but the way he mutilated his wife's body to avoid identification implies others could be at risk in his attempt to avoid capture.

Janet

This guy has been violent his whole life.  This wasn't a one time fit of rage.  He has been violent before with other girlfriends.  He was ordered to seek counseling at one time.  People like him never change and I don't care who much counseling they have.  JMO.

The article says that his body was found in a motel in British Columbia.  I would sure like to know where this motel is located.  Point Roberts ... his point of illegal entry into Canada ... is not far from where I reside.  Maybe a 40 minute drive.  Hubby is flipping the channels to see if there is anything on the local news.

Janet


It's disturbing to think that he was so close.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 11:02:57 PM
San

What I find most disturbing is that an American Coast Guard cutter chased this guy as he neared the Canadian border after launching his speed boat in Seattle and ... the Canadian Coast Guard cutter attempt to turn him back just prior to crossing the border and both failed.  Then this guy beached his boat and ... walked on land from the US side to the Canadian side among residential/summer homes and ... was not apprehended.  At the very least there should have been either American or Canadian authority waiting at the beach.  Do those cutters not have radios?

Talk about homeland security on both sides of the border.  It is a farce.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 23, 2009, 11:09:24 PM
San

What I find most disturbing is that an American Coast Guard cutter chased this guy as he neared the Canadian border after launching his speed boat in Seattle and ... the Canadian Coast Guard cutter attempt to turn him back just prior to crossing the border and both failed.  Then this guy beached his boat and ... walked on land from the US side to the Canadian side among residential/summer homes and ... was not apprehended.  At the very least there should have been either American or Canadian authority waiting at the beach.  Do those cutters not have radios?

Talk about homeland security on both sides of the border.   It is a farce.

Janet


And if this guy got through could you imagine who else is getting through.  We are not safe at all.  They should be on the ball at all times.  Very disappointing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 11:13:51 PM
Why was this guy not shot at by either the American or Canadian Coast Guards for illegally entering Canadian waters and ... avoiding apprehension.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Our Point Robert friends claim that the residents on both sides of the board are erate.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 11:42:20 PM
Fox News has now provided an update.  Ryan Jenkins was found hanged in a motel in Hope, BC.  Hope is a small mostly Native community located in the upper end of the Fraser Valley.  He had to have gone right by our exit off the freeway.  I wonder how he got there.  He probably hitched.

Janet

+++++

Police: Reality TV Star Accused of Murder Found Dead of Apparent Suicide
Sunday, August 23, 2009


VANCOUVER, British Columbia  —  A reality show contestant wanted for murder in the gruesome death and mutilation of his ex-wife was found dead Sunday of an apparent suicide after hanging himself in a secluded Canadian motel, police said.

Sgt. Duncan Pound of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police border integrity unit says police responded to a call about a dead person in Hope, east of Vancouver, and then called investigators who were part of the massive manhunt for Jenkins.

... Jenkins had apparently hanged himself, said Farrah Emami, spokeswoman for the Orange County District Attorney's Office in California, which is contact with Canadian police.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police are "now able to confirm that a deceased person that was found in a motel in Hope, British Columbia is, in fact, Ryan Jenkins," Pound said.

Jenkins' body was found in The Thunderbird Motel on an isolated road on the outskirts of Hope, B.C. at the entrance to the western province's mountainous interior. His body was found in a room at the out-of-the-way motel.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,541900,00.html



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 23, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
REMINDER

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains


Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet
8:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 23, 2009, 11:51:49 PM
San

What I find most disturbing is that an American Coast Guard cutter chased this guy as he neared the Canadian border after launching his speed boat in Seattle and ... the Canadian Coast Guard cutter attempt to turn him back just prior to crossing the border and both failed.  Then this guy beached his boat and ... walked on land from the US side to the Canadian side among residential/summer homes and ... was not apprehended.  At the very least there should have been either American or Canadian authority waiting at the beach.  Do those cutters not have radios?

Talk about homeland security on both sides of the border.   It is a farce.

Janet


And if this guy got through could you imagine who else is getting through.  We are not safe at all.  They should be on the ball at all times.  Very disappointing.

That's a real eye opener!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I hope everyone has had a great week-end! If I could, I'd make it longer for us all!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 01:32:34 AM
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Beth Twitty
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
December 9, 2005

 TWITTY: ...I mean, I think we need to stay focused on the bloody tennis shoe that was found...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10439299/


Beth Twitty
On the Record w/ Greta
December 6, 2005

TWITTY: Yes, when I was looking back through my notes there was a date where we received this information either from the FBI or our family liason that there was blood in Joran's tennis shoe.


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« Reply #770 on: March 07, 2008, 10:40:46 AM »
   
As far as the beak-in at the huts:
As I see it there are two possibilities.  First, the fish huts were actually broken into and therefore likely related to the case. Alternatively, the door was kicked in by the Police during the search within a couple days of Natalee's dissapearance and a lovely new knife taken in the process.
In either case, a trap, a sneaker, and a girl went missing.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2673.msg362152#msg362152

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 01:34:03 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 08:29:13 AM
Broken Arrow site, Demographics page:

http://www.brokenarrowok.gov/Index.aspx?page=188

Thank you 2NJ!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 08:37:48 AM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Kermit, how long did it take to figure this one out?  Has it been from the beginning or was it when she posted at GM?

Lets just say I was well aware of her since she posted at CnG and what she was up to, in spite of her asking for my forgiveness.

I know I sound like a broken record with this - but there is another returned Monkey who has done this with many (and been granted it) that I do NOT trust.

My hinky meter was on red alert with A1 from the getgo.  Same as it is with this other returned Monkey.  Heck, this other Monkey even admitted, in a post in the NH threads, that he/she was reporting back to someone!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 08:39:50 AM
Kermit, snoopy, texasmom, BoxerDawg, can, Tamikosmom, Blue Moon, hotping, Linda in MD, San and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.
9:45 pm Alabama time.
 ::MonkeyFootball::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 08:48:25 AM


Vinda de Sousa is a friend of Marlene Purcell's?

That explains quite a lot for me.

Thanks TxMom

Always looking for the latest on crime in Aruba...never know what I'll find!    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 09:16:13 AM
Thank you TxMom for posting this.  It's good to remember the total and complete lack of morality, responsibility, and compassion for your fellow human being that is encompassed by the youth in the Dutch/Aruban culture.

It is very easy to see why a person such as Joran van der Sloot would not think twice about drugging a young girl just to get what he wants.

"I've done this 20 or so times before, and nothing bad has ever happened....." ~ Joran van der Sloot


http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/press-review-friday-21-august-2009

Home-made party drug back on the scene

While smoking is down, party drug ghb appears to be back on the scene according to nrc.next. Once used in hospitals as an anaesthetic, gamma hydroxyl butyric acid made its entry into the Amsterdam dance scene in the 1990s. “Back then it was new,” says drugs researcher of the University of Amsterdam, Ton Nabben. “Now people are using it more and more in public. People don’t even bat an eyelid if someone goes into a coma during a night out.”
 
Because ghb occurs naturally in the body, it appears innocent, but an overdose can be lethal. Short-term side effects can be nausea, memory loss, serious breathing difficulties, convulsions and coma. Years ago researchers thought the drug was not addictive, a dramatic increase in ghb additions has led the Trimbos Institute to sound the alarm. It is cheap to buy and easy to make from ingredients that you might find under the sink. It is like alcohol, but without the hangover. Needless to say the journalist tries out an internet recipe, but when she has it tested is told “I wouldn’t drink it neat”.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 24, 2009, 09:45:50 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 09:48:25 AM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Kermit, how long did it take to figure this one out?  Has it been from the beginning or was it when she posted at GM?

Lets just say I was well aware of her since she posted at CnG and what she was up to, in spite of her asking for my forgiveness.

I know I sound like a broken record with this - but there is another returned Monkey who has done this with many (and been granted it) that I do NOT trust.

My hinky meter was on red alert with A1 from the getgo.  Same as it is with this other returned Monkey.  Heck, this other Monkey even admitted, in a post in the NH threads, that he/she was reporting back to someone!

jen

My hinky meter did not go off with A1.  Considering A1 did not appear to hold strong positions on the Natalee Holloway issues in her articulation and was involved in other SM missing persons forums ...  I sincerely thought ... for affirmation ... she had naively followed the new darkside who had embraced her but ... eventually saw the light.

I too am now very suspicious in regards to another returning Monkey.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 10:09:22 AM


Vinda de Sousa is a friend of Marlene Purcell's?

That explains quite a lot for me.

Thanks TxMom

<snipped>


Me too.

It appears that Mark Purcell was in the background ... behind the scenes ... in the events encompassing the pond search by Fred Golba ... the pond search which was initiated by Dave Holloway ... the pond search that had Beth in the dark.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway's dad sends search dog to Aruba
Friday, March 20, 2009


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Natalee Holloway's father flew a search dog and handler to Aruba to search for the missing teen's body on Friday, although prosecutors said they have no new leads in the case ...

Dave Holloway did not immediately return a message seeking comment. His attorney, Vinda de Sousa, told The Associated Press he insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.

De Sousa said she does not know how long the dog and its handler will remain on the island, nor how much Holloway is paying for the search. She added that the search had been planned for some time.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, said she was not aware of the development and declined further comment.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO108128/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 10:38:05 AM
I can only assume that Kyle Kingman's own words encompassing his analysis of the ROV images in regards to the contents of the cage required damage control.  It appears that  the strategy to distance Kingman's own words dictates undermining his professional qualifications?

It also appears that Dr. Rob Floyd solar scanning qualification are also being underminded.

My DIL took note in February of this year that Kyle's website had been edited in regards to the qualification of the key personnal on board the Persistence.

Could it be that John Silvetti will now attempt to claim that there was not one crew member on board the Persistence that was qualified to interpret the solar scans and the ROV images.  Documentation claims otherwise.

Janet
______ 

QUALIFICATIONS/EXPERTISE - THEN AND NOW?

THEN - NOVEMBER 2007


The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization


Kyle Kingman - Field Project Manager, Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist - Responsible for side scan sonar acquisition, digital processing, analysis, and target identification. Kyle will assist in side scan sonar operation and guide the ROV (remotely operated vehicle) team to each sonar target.

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist - Responsible for analog sonar data interpretation and analysis and quality control.

Posted by Kyle Kingman
 
http://jlbworld.com/files/chapter23/sitedevotedtoseasearch.htm
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


NOW - FEBRUARY  2009

The Search for Natalee Holloway
Monday, November 26, 2007

I. Mobilization


Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Posted by Kyle Kingman

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/11/mobilization.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 10:50:47 AM


Vinda de Sousa is a friend of Marlene Purcell's?

That explains quite a lot for me.

Thanks TxMom

<snipped>


Me too.

It appears that Mark Purcell was in the background ... behind the scenes ... in the events encompassing the pond search by Fred Golba ... the pond search which was initiated by Dave Holloway ... the pond search that had Beth in the dark.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway's dad sends search dog to Aruba
Friday, March 20, 2009


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Natalee Holloway's father flew a search dog and handler to Aruba to search for the missing teen's body on Friday, although prosecutors said they have no new leads in the case ...

Dave Holloway did not immediately return a message seeking comment. His attorney, Vinda de Sousa, told The Associated Press he insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.

De Sousa said she does not know how long the dog and its handler will remain on the island, nor how much Holloway is paying for the search. She added that the search had been planned for some time.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, said she was not aware of the development and declined further comment.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO108128/


Natalee Holloway's mother understands the dynamic encompassing relationships on that Island.  Beth gets it!  Monkeys get it!  When all is said and done ... there is nothing difficult to comprehend.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet

+++++


'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' – April 7, 2006

RITA COSBY, HOST: What do you make of the fact that it‘s so strange that here‘s this guy (Boeti) who‘s his brother-in-law, Gerold Dompig? Isn‘t that weird to you, too, just that strange connection? And the fact—it was interesting. When we were down there, the authorities were sort of, like, Well, we can‘t really focus on him because of, basically, who he‘s connected to.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE‘S MOTHER:  Well, you know, it’s really not any stranger to me than it is that the Kalpoes are cousins of Gerold Dompig.  So you know, they‘re all very connected on that island. It‘s hard to find someone who‘s not a relative or a cousin.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12205086/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 12:45:44 PM
Janet,
Please don't use links to Jan Brennan's website's for reference.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you!

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
That is quite shocking about Always1. ::MonkeyMad::

Who, but Kermit, would have ever connected Always1 and fat boy Purcell?

I have a lot of help. They all know who they are behind the scenes & they all deserve the credit.
I was just lucky when I came across that little connection and put two and two together.


Kermit, how long did it take to figure this one out?  Has it been from the beginning or was it when she posted at GM?

Lets just say I was well aware of her since she posted at CnG and what she was up to, in spite of her asking for my forgiveness.

I know I sound like a broken record with this - but there is another returned Monkey who has done this with many (and been granted it) that I do NOT trust.

My hinky meter was on red alert with A1 from the getgo.  Same as it is with this other returned Monkey.  Heck, this other Monkey even admitted, in a post in the NH threads, that he/she was reporting back to someone!

jen

My hinky meter did not go off with A1.  Considering A1 did not appear to hold strong positions on the Natalee Holloway issues in her articulation and was involved in other SM missing persons forums ...  I sincerely thought ... for affirmation ... she had naively followed the new darkside who had embraced her but ... eventually saw the light.

I too am now very suspicious in regards to another returning Monkey.

Janet

My bet is that our suspicions are about the same returned Monkey.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 12:49:44 PM


Me too.

It appears that Mark Purcell was in the background ... behind the scenes ... in the events encompassing the pond search by Fred Golba ... the pond search which was initiated by Dave Holloway ... the pond search that had Beth in the dark.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway's dad sends search dog to Aruba
Friday, March 20, 2009


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Natalee Holloway's father flew a search dog and handler to Aruba to search for the missing teen's body on Friday, although prosecutors said they have no new leads in the case ...

Dave Holloway did not immediately return a message seeking comment. His attorney, Vinda de Sousa, told The Associated Press he insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.

De Sousa said she does not know how long the dog and its handler will remain on the island, nor how much Holloway is paying for the search. She added that the search had been planned for some time.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, said she was not aware of the development and declined further comment.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO108128/

The pond search that was nothing but a HOAX.

Remember Kyle said this "witness" would only approach them w/his attorney in tow.

Remember also that HotShot stated SHE was the one who put Caps in touch w/Dave.

Any bets Dave's attorney, DeSousa, is also the "witness" attorney?

DeSousa, who is friends with Marlene Purcell.

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 12:53:19 PM
I am off to Vancouver Island on Thursday.  We will be visiting Hubby's sister and BIL who reside in Parksville area for a night and a day and ... then it is off to visit friends who reside in Campbell River.  Hubby is hoping for a day's fishing at the Salmon Capital of the World.  Friends own a boat that my guy could only dream about in his wildest dreams.  On Sunday we will return to Victoria and spend next week at eldest son's home.  DIL begins a new job on Monday and ... for an entire week I will get the priviledge of spending one on one time bonding with my beautiful grandson who turns 3 years old at the beginning of September.  Daddy will either be working or ... fishing with Papa.

Until Thurdsday I will be in my own hidey hole with my other DIL working on Natalee Holloway stuff.  Considering I have done of the homework she has assigned me ... this teacher by profession has afforded me two full days of her undivided attention.  However ... I will pop in and out of the forum because I am nosey and do not want to miss out.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
9:50 AM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 12:54:42 PM


Me too.

It appears that Mark Purcell was in the background ... behind the scenes ... in the events encompassing the pond search by Fred Golba ... the pond search which was initiated by Dave Holloway ... the pond search that had Beth in the dark.

Janet

++++++


Natalee Holloway's dad sends search dog to Aruba
Friday, March 20, 2009


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Natalee Holloway's father flew a search dog and handler to Aruba to search for the missing teen's body on Friday, although prosecutors said they have no new leads in the case ...

Dave Holloway did not immediately return a message seeking comment. His attorney, Vinda de Sousa, told The Associated Press he insisted on another search of the reservoir after a witness who identified it as a possible location passed a lie detector test in the U.S.

De Sousa said she does not know how long the dog and its handler will remain on the island, nor how much Holloway is paying for the search. She added that the search had been planned for some time.

Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, said she was not aware of the development and declined further comment.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/world/BO108128/

The pond search that was nothing but a HOAX.

Remember Kyle said this "witness" would only approach them w/his attorney in tow.

Remember also that HotShot stated SHE was the one who put Caps in touch w/Dave.

Any bets Dave's attorney, DeSousa, is also the "witness" attorney?

DeSousa, who is friends with Marlene Purcell.

 ::MonkeyMad::

 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 12:55:38 PM
I'm hoping that one of our Monkeys has researched the following equipment.

My questions are these:


1 - What, exactly, as it pertains to ANY type of oil surveying (preliminary or otherwise), does each piece of equipment do?

2- With this equipment, what does the operator have to do in order to facilitate the data?

3 - Does the software for each piece of equipment automatically record what it detects, or does the operator make the determination of what/when it records?

4 - What kind of data gets spit out by each piece of equipment - and whose job is it to analyze such data (the operator, or someone else?)


-Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)
-SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle
- Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV
-Navigation provided by WinFrog software
- The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.
-Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 12:57:25 PM
Janet,
Please don't use links to Jan Brennan's website's for reference.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you!

 ::MonkeyCool::

I was not aware that I did.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 01:02:34 PM
Janet,
Please don't use links to Jan Brennan's website's for reference.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thank you!

 ::MonkeyCool::

I was not aware that I did.

Janet

texasmom

I remember!

It was my DIL who added that that link in my post.  It was proof that Kyle Kingman edited his blog in regards to the qualifications of the Persistence crew.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 01:04:39 PM
Self Edit

... my post s/b my original post.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 01:34:58 PM
I'm hoping that one of our Monkeys has researched the following equipment.

My questions are these:


1 - What, exactly, as it pertains to ANY type of oil surveying (preliminary or otherwise), does each piece of equipment do?

2- With this equipment, what does the operator have to do in order to facilitate the data?

3 - Does the software for each piece of equipment automatically record what it detects, or does the operator make the determination of what/when it records?

4 - What kind of data gets spit out by each piece of equipment - and whose job is it to analyze such data (the operator, or someone else?)


-Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)
-SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle
- Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV
-Navigation provided by WinFrog software
- The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.
-Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.

Jen

Give me a minute!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 01:38:14 PM
I'm hoping that one of our Monkeys has researched the following equipment.

My questions are these:


1 - What, exactly, as it pertains to ANY type of oil surveying (preliminary or otherwise), does each piece of equipment do?

2- With this equipment, what does the operator have to do in order to facilitate the data?

3 - Does the software for each piece of equipment automatically record what it detects, or does the operator make the determination of what/when it records?

4 - What kind of data gets spit out by each piece of equipment - and whose job is it to analyze such data (the operator, or someone else?)


-Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)
-SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle
- Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV
-Navigation provided by WinFrog software
- The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.
-Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.

Jen

Give me a minute!

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 02:37:09 PM
I would assume that Kyle Kingman does not include John Silvetti as a reference in his resume.

In actuality ... other than not challenging John Silvetti at the time ... Kyle Kingman's own words submitted by Kermit to the SM forum ... reveals that he was not one in heart with John Silvetti in the betrayal of Natalee Holloway while on the Persistence.  His words reveal that he was very concerned about the John Silvetti/Aruban connection ... the recovery process involving the trap contents.

Janet

+++++++

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  Kermit and the rest of them not only betrayed my trust and the confidentiality agreement, she continued to post slanderous accusations and used some of my own words, thoughts, and opinions out of context to peddle her adjenda and make the search team look like a bunch of conspirators with John and I at the helm! John hasn't spoken to me since all this nonsense exploded. I've worked with him since Hurricane Katrina. He's been one of my best and trusted clients and friends. This may have destroyed our relationship and therefore affected my ability to provide for my family, which includes my daughter... who we named after Natalee. When will the madness end?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4918.msg787088;topicseen#msg787088




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 02:37:58 PM
Dawn of Understanding

 

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards.

Has this man no shame?

 

Saturday, November 12, 2005  

Natalee Holloway Mother Beth Twitty Claimed Fear Of Poisoning By Devious Arubans

In a Philadelphia Inquirer report from yesterday we learn that Beth Twitty, mother of missing teenager Natalee Holloway appears to have expressed concerns for her life as a result of certain devious elements of the population in Aruba.

In a day of ceremonial resolutions and unanimous votes yesterday in City Council, there was one moment of genuine debate. At hand: A resolution cosponsored by Councilmen Juan F. Ramos and Jack Kelly urging Philadelphians to boycott Aruba because of alleged Aruban foot-dragging over the case of missing American teenager Natalee Holloway.

"Evidently, Aruba doesn't work [as] well as the United States does," Kelly said. He said Holloway's mother had to have others order her food when visiting the Dutch territory because of fear that devious locals might try to poison her for her agitation over her daughter's case.

Rising to Aruba's defense was Councilman Frank Rizzo. "The people of Aruba are good people," he said, adding that a boycott could "also be very hurtful to Philadelphia," because U.S. Airways, the ailing carrier that dominates the city's airport, flies 9,000 people there monthly.

What Rizzo didn't mention then is that he has often been one of those people. He said he had been vacationing on the island for years and planned to buy property and possibly retire there. "I know the people, I know the politicians, I know the police chief," he said later. "They've cooperated."

 

Rita Cosby hosted two City Councilmen from Philadelphia:  

Juan Ramos and Frank Rizzo, Jr. Juan Ramos supported the boycott, because they felt sympathy with the family who has lost a daughter. Ramos went over similar losses of daughters around Philadelphia.

Frank Rizzo, Jr., criticized the boycott, because he was familiar with the effort in Aruba. He claimed that the Arubans have gone way beyond their requirement to support the family and this investigation. Interestingly, Rita tried to discredit Frank Rizzo's statement by alleging that he has a vested interest in Aruba. Rizzo had trained some of the Aruban law enforcement officers a few years ago. Also, Rizzo has concern for his constituents, many of whom work for an airline that brings Philadelphia's to Aruba. Rita attempted to enlist Ramos' assistance in her discreditation, but Ramos refused to get involved. Ramos respected his colleague's opinion.

==============

RIZZO JR, FRANK L (Age 66)


 8919 Crefeld St, PHILADELPHIA, PA 19118


 


 

COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATION OF OWNERS OCEANIA RESORT RESIDENCES  
   
Business address J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 238 NORTH
Legal form COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name of the COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATION OF OWNERS OCEANIA RESORT RESIDENCES
Company / Foundation / Association:
Statutory seat ARUBA
Date of 4 MAY 2007
incorporation / commencement:
       
NOT in possession ESTABLISHMENT OF A BUSINESS LICENSE
   
BOARD MEMBERS / AUTHORIZED PERSONS
   
Perret GENTIL Mijares, Juan Manuel;
Residing in J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 238, OCEANIA RES. APT. 421, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in Venezuela, Caracas on 14 APRIL 1963
Nationality Venezuelan
Position PRESIDENT
Effective 4 MAY 2007
Authority FULL
   
DOW QUIZENA, LAWRENCE RENFER;
Residing in J.E. Irausquin Blvd. 238, OCEANIA RES. APT. 41, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in Venezuela, Caracas on 7 DECEMBER 1964
Nationality Venezuelan
Position-MEMBER BOARD
Effective 4 MAY 2007
Authority FULL
   
RIZZO, FRANCIS SILVESTRE;
Residing in 8919 CREFIELD STREET PHILADELPHIA, PENNY 19,118 SYLVANIA, USA
 
Born in U.S.A., Penny SYLVANIA on 5 March 1943
Nationality AMERICAN
Position Secretary / Treasurer
Effective 4 MAY 2007
Authority FULL
   
OBJECTIVE (S) OF THE COMPANY
   
1.A. THE PROTECTION AND PROMOTION OF THE COMMON AND MATERIAL INTERESTS OF MEMBERS;
B. HOLDING UP THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE CARRIED BY THE OCEANIA OCEANIA RESORT RESIDENCES I AND II ATTACHED RESIDENCES RESORT ASSOCIATION (S) OF OWNERS Be it BELONGING TO THE LATTER AND / OR THEIR MANAGEMENT AND ASSIGNED IMMOVABLE HOUSEHOLD ITEMS OR IS NOT IN THE COMMON PARTS OF OCEANIA RESORT RESIDENCES AT EAGLE IN ARUBA ARE;
C. THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE RESORT RESIDENCES IN OCEANIA RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATION DEDICATED FUNCTIONS AND THE MEANING OF ITS RULES OF POWERS AND DUTIES.
D. THE SUPERVISION OF MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF TWO TO EAGLE OCEANIA LOCATED IN ARUBA RESORT RESIDENCES AS A Luxurious Resort.
2. TO ACHIEVE THIS OBJECTIVE THE ASSOCIATION MAY Eien DISCRETION TO THE LEGAL STEPS DEEMED NECESSARY, INCLUDING THE ACQUISITION OF BUSINESS LAW AND NON-PROPERTY RIGHTS LAW IN OCEANIA RESORT RESIDENCES.
3. THE ASSOCIATION IS REQUIRED IN THE PURSUIT OF ITS AIM TO KEEP INFORMED OF THE TERMS MENTIONED IN OCEANIA RESIDENCES RESORT RULES AND REGULATIONS.
4. THE GOVERNING BODY OF THE ASSOCIATION HAS THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO THE COOPERATIVE ASSOCIATION IN OCEANIA RESIDENCES RESORT RULES AND REGULATIONS responsibilities and rights to execute. THIS IS NOT RIGHT TO MEMBERS SEPARATELY delegated.

 

http://www.arubacondo.com/arubacondo.html


Edited per Jen3560's request.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 02:38:39 PM
Thank you VERY MUCH Hotping for finding some crucial info for that post above!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 02:52:55 PM
And just in case some geust nay sayers say Frank is not the Francis listed in that Chamber Registry:

The plaque recognizing City Hall as a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark was mounted in the East Portal of the building prior to the dedication ceremony, and a photo replica of it was unveiled at the dedication.  Dignitaries attending the ceremony included, from the left to right:  ASCE District 4 Director, Peter Terry; ASCE Executive Director, Pat Natale; 2006 ASCE President, Dennis Martenson; ASCE Philadelphia Section President, Carol Martsolf; ASCE Philadelphia Section Past President, Christopher Menna; Assistant Managing Director, City of Philadelphia, James Donaghy; Chief of Staff, Office of Philadelphia City Councilman Francis Rizzo, Stewart Graham; ASCE Treasurer, Moustafa Gouda ; ASCE Zone I Vice President, Anni Autio ;  and Philadelphia Section ASCE Past President, Ruben David.

http://email.asce.org/gsd/December06.html
======

Are any Arubans actually still proud of their island for how all of this was handled?  I mean, at all???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 02:56:37 PM
Whew - I think I'm the queen of typos today!  ::MonkeyLaugh::

And just in case some guest nay sayers say Frank is not the Francis listed in that Chamber Registry:

The plaque recognizing City Hall as a National Historic Civil Engineering Landmark was mounted in the East Portal of the building prior to the dedication ceremony, and a photo replica of it was unveiled at the dedication.  Dignitaries attending the ceremony included, from the left to right:  ASCE District 4 Director, Peter Terry; ASCE Executive Director, Pat Natale; 2006 ASCE President, Dennis Martenson; ASCE Philadelphia Section President, Carol Martsolf; ASCE Philadelphia Section Past President, Christopher Menna; Assistant Managing Director, City of Philadelphia, James Donaghy; Chief of Staff, Office of Philadelphia City Councilman Francis Rizzo, Stewart Graham; ASCE Treasurer, Moustafa Gouda ; ASCE Zone I Vice President, Anni Autio ;  and Philadelphia Section ASCE Past President, Ruben David.

http://email.asce.org/gsd/December06.html
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Are any Arubans actually still proud of their island for how all of this was handled?  I mean, at all???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 02:59:01 PM
Thank you so much 2NJ!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 24, 2009, 03:05:12 PM
Thank you so much 2NJ!!  ::MonkeyCool::

At least you didn't promise never to ask again.     ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 24, 2009, 03:26:40 PM
Fly for Kermit... ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 24, 2009, 03:27:40 PM
Thank you VERY MUCH Hotping for finding some crucial info for that post above!!!  ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::
  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 03:40:09 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 03:48:33 PM
TAP  TAP TAP

 ::MonkeyTongue::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 03:52:58 PM
Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 9:
  In fact, he (Dennis Jacobs) was so confident that she was just partying it up or on drugs that he told us this particular bar would be the best place to find her. However, he did warn us to watch our drinks very carefully, adding that sometimes people put drugs into them.

Page 10:  While customers must pass by a bouncer at the door, there was no indication that he was stopping anyone from entering. The bar was packed with teenagers doing Jell-O shots and sleazy-looking island boys preying on the beautiful young female tourist.  ... I did not want to stay inside, so we hung out around the street corners. In less than two hours, we probably experienced at least ten to fifteen offers from various drug dealers who wanted us to buy from them.

Page 16:  During our daylight searches throughout the island, our group came across many abandoned houses where drug addicts had left razors and other drug paraphernalia. Some were filled with foul smelling odors, feces, urine, cardboard boxes they used as blankets or beds, and general trash. One of those houses was located right next to a fine restaurant near the hotel area and a McDonald’s.  ... Several times, people came into the hotel to meet with other locals and an apparent drug deal was taking place. The person would come in to scope out the area prior to doing the deal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: pinkbanana on August 24, 2009, 04:39:28 PM
Hi Monkeys,

Hope all is well with everyone everymonkey.

I am so upset right....I just found that one of the Office Managers from my company is in scumruba on vacation!!  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyMad::

I just sent her a text YELLING!!  ::MonkeyShocked::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I do not understand why people NEVER listen!

pbxo ::MonkeyFootball::I LOVE THIS ONE!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 04:40:15 PM
The title of Dave Holloway's book immediately informs the potential reader that there is no doubt of the author's contentions regarding the Aruban Law Enforcement that preventing justice from prevailing for his daughter.

Why would this father flip flop in his support of the voluntary travel boycott and ... put the Aruban people ... the Aruban economy ... above unsuspecting tourists ... unsuspecting Natalees?

It does not make sense unless ...

Janet

+++++++

ARUBA: THE TRAGIC UNTOLD STORY OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY AND CORRUPTION IN PARADISE
By Dave Holloway


Page 10:  Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance ...... Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel. However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee

Page 153/154::  We arrived in Aruba with reinforcements.  The authorities sent us to every corner of the island.  They had the FBI there for show, and the police held up every phase of the investigation.  It seems it was nothing more than a game to them.  We thought we were participating in what was happening, but maybe we were just pawns doing their bidding and following their leads.  After all, they were the ones who invented the game, and the suspects were the real players.  As in Joran's quote, don't hate the players, hate the game.  We do, but it isn't over yetreturning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

b]Page 183:[/b]  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

b]Page 202:[/b]  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 04:43:15 PM
If I was talking about anybody but Dave Holloway ... I do believe there would be a dialogue taking place at this moment.  Instead ... silence.

I am done for now.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 24, 2009, 05:16:11 PM
I would have to think that was due to their pals on that rock - Purcell, Renfroe, etc.

What promises for answers they received in return, I can only guess at.  Knowing what we do of Purcell and Renfroe, they were empty promises.



Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 24, 2009, 05:24:17 PM
If I was talking about anybody but Dave Holloway ... I do believe there would be a dialogue taking place at this moment.  Instead ... silence.

I am done for now.

Janet

Janet.I'm very confused to Dave Holloway as well as Tim Miller.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
In other words ... Robin and Dave Holloway get a pass.

Thank you Jen.

As I said ... I am done for now.

One again in my Natalee Holloway journey ... the writing is on the wall.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 06:57:23 PM
If I was talking about anybody but Dave Holloway ... I do believe there would be a dialogue taking place at this moment.  Instead ... silence.

I am done for now.

Janet

Janet.I'm very confused to Dave Holloway as well as Tim Miller.
I too am extremely puzzled about Dave. I really find it difficult to question him though because I do know that he has done everything in his power to find the answers. I have to believe that he has been hoodwinked by some people on Aruba. He is so desperate -- he grasped at straws. JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 07:44:18 PM
If I was talking about anybody but Dave Holloway ... I do believe there would be a dialogue taking place at this moment.  Instead ... silence.

I am done for now.

Janet

Janet.I'm very confused to Dave Holloway as well as Tim Miller.
I too am extremely puzzled about Dave. I really find it difficult to question him though because I do know that he has done everything in his power to find the answers. I have to believe that he has been hoodwinked by some people on Aruba. He is so desperate -- he grasped at straws. JMO

I agree that he has been hoodwinked.   It is my opinion that Dave is a weak man... made weaker by Natalee's disappearance.
I think he has allowed Robin to make decisions that he should have made himsself.  I don't think that Robin's heart is in
finding Natalee and Dave has allowed her to influence his decisions.  It is easier to just go along with Robin than to put up a fight.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 08:08:12 PM
Wreck

Dave and Robin Holloway have each received a compilation of Mark Purcell's despicable posts submitted to internet forums prior to the connection over three years ago.  Dave and Robin Holloway have each received a compilation of Kyle Kingman's own words regarding the John Silvetti betrayal.

Natalee's father and stepmother are not ignorant ... they are not naive.  Read the quotes of transcripts from their interviews on the talk show circuit prior to the Mark Purcell connection.  Read the words of Dave Holloway's book CORRUPTION IN PARADISE written and released prior to the Mark Purcell connection.

My mission from the getgo has been to expose those who were preventing justice from prevail for Natalee Holloway and ... my heart may break in the process but ... I will not be deterred.

Sincerely, Janet

++++++

MARK PURCELL

Robin Holloway
BFN


I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
 
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »


Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!

November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:44 am

Dave made that email public to further bolster his book, remember, “Corruption in Paradise”. His other reason was to continue the hate campaign his ex started and he so whole-heartedly joined into.  He is nothing more than a neutered male version of Beth; I can’t stand any of them.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-21893.html&highlight=#21893


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am

Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm

For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to ... the families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps.


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191



JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remainsKyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Edit to remove double quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 24, 2009, 08:09:50 PM
Mods

I repeated the last quote of my post.  Please delete one.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 08:23:01 PM
Mods

I repeated the last quote of my post.  Please delete one.

Thanks

Janet

Janet, what do you think became Dave and Robin's motivation after they met Mark Purcell?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 24, 2009, 08:38:42 PM
Mods

I repeated the last quote of my post.  Please delete one.

Thanks

Janet

Done, Janet...YW    ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 08:46:42 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 08:48:24 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 08:56:57 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 09:00:53 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 09:10:37 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???
That I do not know.  I gathered that it was a rather terse reply.  I always figured that Robin deleted the e-mail to Dave before he saw it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 09:11:46 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

Here is a post by Tamikosmom:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg847540#msg847540


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

Here is a post by Tamikosmom:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg847540#msg847540
Heck, I was even present!! I must have missed that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 09:19:52 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

Here is a post by Tamikosmom:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg847540#msg847540
Heck, I was even present!! I must have missed that!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: It's hard to remember everything.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
I would be willing to bet that Robin made the reply from Dave's e-mail and Dave never saw it.

I think she is selective in what she allows him to see.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 09:59:55 PM
I would be willing to bet that Robin made the reply from Dave's e-mail and Dave never saw it.

I think she is selective in what she allows him to see.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 24, 2009, 10:28:35 PM
Good evening monkeys. A couple of things.

1 Didn't the person who owned Freedom of Blogs ( can't remember his name)
also live in Colorado.

2 There is another person from Aruba that has been flying under the radar lately. Found her twitter account, and found it interesting who she is in contact with.

http://twitter.com/dca_80





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 24, 2009, 10:46:24 PM
Good evening monkeys. A couple of things.

1 Didn't the person who owned Freedom of Blogs ( can't remember his name)
also live in Colorado.

2 There is another person from Aruba that has been flying under the radar lately. Found her twitter account, and found it interesting who she is in contact with.

http://twitter.com/dca_80





She had been invited to GM a long time ago, I think by BTgirl. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 24, 2009, 11:03:01 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:03:04 PM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Good evening monkeys. A couple of things.

1 Didn't the person who owned Freedom of Blogs ( can't remember his name)
also live in Colorado.

2 There is another person from Aruba that has been flying under the radar lately. Found her twitter account, and found it interesting who she is in contact with.

http://twitter.com/dca_80





She had been invited to GM a long time ago, I think by BTgirl. 

genaruba?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:12:45 PM


Hi billb!  I hear ya, I'm thinkin'!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 24, 2009, 11:15:55 PM
I would be willing to bet that Robin made the reply from Dave's e-mail and Dave never saw it.

I think she is selective in what she allows him to see.

I agree.
Personally,
I think Dave sees it all....he may decide not to react and probably doesn't engage in whatever way Robin may react......But a father knows.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 24, 2009, 11:20:52 PM


Hi billb!  I hear ya, I'm thinkin'!   ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks TM....we all just want to be heard.....
I hear you all the time and sincerely appreciate all that you do for justice for Natalee......
While I come on late at night to offer my two cents....You are the glue that keeps this forum for Justice for Natalee strong! There are quite a few other CORE members like you also....I don't want to blush over them....we/they know who they are.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 11:25:44 PM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::

My guess is Aruba Girl.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:30:37 PM


Hi billb!  I hear ya, I'm thinkin'!   ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks TM....we all just want to be heard.....
I hear you all the time and sincerely appreciate all that you do for justice for Natalee......
While I come on late at night to offer my two cents....You are the glue that keeps this forum for Justice for Natalee strong! There are quite a few other CORE members like you also....I don't want to blush over them....we/they know who they are.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Thanks billb!  You're too kind.  It's going to take all of us, sticking together...AND NEVER GIVING UP! 

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:32:19 PM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::

My guess is Aruba Girl.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Mine too, I was just afraid to say it.  That's why I said genaruba.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Now, who's she communicating with? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 11:37:13 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 11:41:58 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waited over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are responsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS Aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.
What kind of deal could POSSIBLY be agreed to that did not guarantee the return of Natalee??????????????????????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 24, 2009, 11:44:50 PM
Aruba S*cks....

::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:45:26 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:47:09 PM


I agree with wreck and 2NJ!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 11:50:57 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waited over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are responsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS Aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.
What kind of deal could POSSIBLY be agreed to that did not guarantee the return of Natalee??????????????????????

Money.

I took it to mean that Natalee cannot be returned so to make everything better we will give you $$$$$$$$$$$$$ if you go away.  I'm not saying this is what happened.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 24, 2009, 11:52:29 PM
Aruba S*cks....

::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

BOYCOTT ARUBA.  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.  


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 24, 2009, 11:57:23 PM
Why hasn't Red weighed in on Natalee in ages?? In a way, it scares me ... in another way it encourages me as perhaps something is brewing that he CAN'T talk about. -- JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:57:44 PM
Aruba S*cks....

::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

BOYCOTT ARUBA.  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.  


::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 24, 2009, 11:58:55 PM
Why hasn't Red weighed in on Natalee in ages?? In a way, it scares me ... in another way it encourages me as perhaps something is brewing that he CAN'T talk about. -- JMO

Are you reading my mind wreck?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 24, 2009, 11:59:43 PM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::

My guess is Aruba Girl.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Mine too, I was just afraid to say it.  That's why I said genaruba.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Now, who's she communicating with? 


Lalas? ? ? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 24, 2009, 11:59:57 PM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waited over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are responsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS Aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.
What kind of deal could POSSIBLY be agreed to that did not guarantee the return of Natalee??????????????????????
San.....
We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.
I truly believe Natalee is gone.....I HATE the bas..turds that did this....I also believe that the persistence exposed the truth wrt Natalee's remains...but aruba POS won't ever admit it....
IF (and only my opinion - I have no facts to back my beliefs).....You know....I don't have any facts....
I won't present an IF argument...I don't beleive I would ever be bought either...

Wreck....aruba destroyed the cage contents; and then admitted same demanding no disclosures....
for contributions to organizations that could benefit other missing persons and their families...

AGAIN...MHOO....
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:00:14 AM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

Wreck

Immediately following Robin Holloway's enfamous post to BFN .... I sent a compilation of Reality, Purcell and Ramm's past posts ... past posts that reflected an Aruban agenda ... to both Robin and Dave care of their respective email addresses.  I felt certain that Natalee's stepmother and father were being deceived and they did not have a clue.

I received a response from Robin.  She was very polite.  She articulated her words very well.  Robin implied that dwelling on the negative was not going to bring about justice for Natalee.  Not exactly her words but ... same implication.  I was so frustrated.  I could not comprehend her response.  If I thought for one minute I was going to earn some Brownie badges with Natalee's family ... I was soooo wrong.

Wreck ... that was three years ago.  There is no way that a stepmother and father who embarked on a mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ... there is no way that a father would authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... could be deceived.  There is something more ... so much more behind the flip flop.

Dave is not weak but if he was ... that is no defense ... no excuse..  For crying out loud ... justice for his precious daughter is where it is at.  He should be willing to fight the demons of H--- for the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... not bow to the enemy who only objective is preventing justice from prevailing.

IMO

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:02:32 AM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::

My guess is Aruba Girl.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Mine too, I was just afraid to say it.  That's why I said genaruba.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Now, who's she communicating with? 


Lalas? ? ? ::MonkeyDevil::

That's nothing new.   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 25, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
IIRC...A WISE FROG SAID TO FOLLOW THE MONEY!

ME THINKS..WHERE THERE'S A WILL,THERE'S A WAY!JMOO ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:03:53 AM
Aruba S*cks....

::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyKiss::

BOYCOTT ARUBA.  JUSTICE FOR NATALEE.  


::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 12:06:09 AM

billb:
Quote
Wreck....aruba destroyed the cage contents; and then admitted same demanding no disclosures....
for contributions to organizations that could benefit other missing persons and their families...

AGAIN...MHOO....

I don't buy that either. I would let these BIG "donations" roll in THEN spill the beans -- the whole stinkin' story (no matter where the chips fall)  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 25, 2009, 12:07:04 AM
Tamikosmom, SuzieQ, Keepthefaith, cajun miracle, 2NJSons_Mom, wreck, Mere, texasmom, billb, Magnolia, San and 7 Guests


I SEE HOPE..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:09:12 AM
Most pencils have erasers and that means that what is written can disappear or change....I don't twitter, either....don't give me any ideas.    ::MonkeyJnBox::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 12:09:26 AM
Any thoughts on Red's "silence"???  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:09:31 AM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.


I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:11:51 AM
Most pencils have erasers and that means that what is written can disappear or change....I don't twitter, either....don't give me any ideas.    ::MonkeyJnBox::



I've thought about it, but I don't have enough time in a day for anything else!  ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:13:37 AM

Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:14:09 AM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.


I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 12:14:11 AM

(quote: Wreck)
I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

That would be priceless, Wreck.  I hope it is the way it is. ::MonkeyCool::
 
 
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:17:40 AM
Most pencils have erasers and that means that what is written can disappear or change....I don't twitter, either....don't give me any ideas.    ::MonkeyJnBox::



I've thought about it, but I don't have enough time in a day for anything else!  ::MonkeyWaa::

I won't do it...but do appreciate those who find this info and pass it on, so thanks to SusieQ.  Sincerely.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:18:17 AM

billb:
Quote
Wreck....aruba destroyed the cage contents; and then admitted same demanding no disclosures....
for contributions to organizations that could benefit other missing persons and their families...

AGAIN...MHOO....

I don't buy that either. I would let these BIG "donations" roll in THEN spill the beans -- the whole stinkin' story (no matter where the chips fall)  ::MonkeyMad::
I think you mean wouldn't.....I'm not trying to pick a fight...just saying.....when you don't like the hand (aruba) is feeding you...you go along with the game until you have the winning cards to play...
Again...MHOO...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 12:18:55 AM

(quote: billb)
I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

That would be priceless, billb.  I hope it is the way it is. ::MonkeyCool::

 
 
 


Sorry billb.  I misquoted! ::MonkeyKiss::
I should have stacked em


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:21:58 AM

(quote: Wreck)
I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

That would be priceless, Wreck.  I hope it is the way it is. ::MonkeyCool::
 
 
 

Copyright ::MonkeyCool:: infringement...
billb....
But I'm hearing you Magnolia.... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:23:03 AM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.


I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::
Stacking champs..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 25, 2009, 12:24:57 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:25:50 AM
stack'em if ya got 'em....billb.    ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:26:10 AM

(quote: Wreck)
I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

That would be priceless, Wreck.  I hope it is the way it is. ::MonkeyCool::
 
 
 

Copyright ::MonkeyCool:: infringement...
billb....
But I'm hearing you Magnolia.... ::MonkeyAngel::
::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:28:01 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.

Thanks SuzieQ!  Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:28:31 AM

Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     



BUMPED
I do get carried away (sometimes) and my main point of the evening (usually my first or second post - because I get to the chase right away) may get overlooked by my own undoing.....

Bumped.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:29:32 AM
stack'em if ya got 'em....billb.    ::MonkeyTease::

That's priceless!  

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:33:52 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.

Thanks SuzieQ!  Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyCool::

Who was our past member who had a rabbit avatar?  Just thinking...may be wrong...Dutch member, I'm thinking.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:34:25 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Not me!

It is nothing short of fraudulent to solicit donations to continue the search for Natalee's remains when in all probability those remains could have been handed over to the enemy unchallenged by John Silvetti.  That is called a scam.  That is why donors are so skeptical in regards to donating their hard earned bucks to charities.

Janet

++++++

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:   I personally do not feel we should disregard the trap or it's contents until we know how that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were IMO.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:37:52 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.

Who is communicating with BT and Lala in chat?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 12:41:42 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.

Thanks SuzieQ!  Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyCool::

Who was our past member who had a rabbit avatar?  Just thinking...may be wrong...Dutch member, I'm thinking.






Was it Dilbert?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 12:42:52 AM

(quote: Wreck)
I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

That would be priceless, Wreck.  I hope it is the way it is. ::MonkeyCool::
 
 
 

It would be priceless -- but that is billb's thoughts!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:43:01 AM
stack'em if ya got 'em....billb.    ::MonkeyTease::

That's priceless!  

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


I often come off as a heavy but you all know I'll be signing off soon....humor is a good thing.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:44:19 AM
TexasMom, I'm sorry, I had to leave a while ago. Yes she is communicating with Lala and BT, but the ones I really would like to know who are , have their tweets hidden, and that defeats the purpose of Twitter. The idea of Twitter is to let everyone know what you are thinking.
If you go the right side of her page,you will see who she is following, hold your mouse on each one and it will tell you who it is. One of the ones that is hidden is silly rabbit(I think)
Klaas, one of her tweets from Lala or BT said something about seeing her in chat.

Thanks SuzieQ!  Keep up the good work!   ::MonkeyCool::

Who was our past member who had a rabbit avatar?  Just thinking...may be wrong...Dutch member, I'm thinking.






Was it Dilbert?

Thanks, Magnolia....I think that's who I was recalling....just a thought.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 12:45:42 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:46:21 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Not me!

It is nothing short of fraudulent to solicit donations to continue the search for Natalee's remains when in all probability those remains could have been handed over to the enemy unchallenged by John Silvetti.  That is called a scam.  That is why donors are so skeptical in regards to donating their hard earned bucks to charities.

Janet

++++++

THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008

Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman – 03/18/08:   I personally do not feel we should disregard the trap or it's contents until we know how that trap got there and what the nature of its contents were IMO.





It is nothing short of fraudulent to solicit donations to continue the search for Natalee's remains when in all probability those remains could have been handed over to the enemy unchallenged by John Silvetti.  That is called a scam.  That is why donors are so skeptical in regards to donating their hard earned bucks to charities.
Totally agree....
That's why it so so important while nailing the perps (paulass, urine.k2,freddie, guido) that the persistence scum (john s...louis s) also be nailed for their role.....and the inroads being made by all you dedicated Monkeys wrt exposing the cover-up crew will ultimately shine a bright light that will FORCE a responsible law enforcement agent(s) to take notice and do the right thing for justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:46:57 AM


I need more information please, I don't tweet.  ::MonkeyConfused::

My guess is Aruba Girl.   ::MonkeyConfused::

Mine too, I was just afraid to say it.  That's why I said genaruba.   ::MonkeyDevil::

Now, who's she communicating with? 

Just went and looked at that twitter page again, it has her website link in the upper right; missed it the first time I looked!
 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:48:42 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:51:50 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 12:54:49 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:55:47 AM
Keep on, keepin' on....I'll see you, later.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::CowWave::   ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyWhistle::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 25, 2009, 12:57:39 AM
Good night, night crew....!

I need to read back a little....see you tomorrow.......                  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:57:52 AM
Keep on, keepin' on....I'll see you, later.

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::CowWave::   ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyWhistle::



Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 12:58:22 AM
Good night, night crew....!

I need to read back a little....see you tomorrow.......                  ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 12:58:37 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:00:49 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...

Here is mine... where's yours?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 01:01:01 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:01:18 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:04:53 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::

I was probably off looking at the newspapers AGAIN!  Figures!  I saw Rex though, he's very nice looking!

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 01:05:55 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Does this imply that the prodical Monkeys who were upset over the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words can be given the benefit of the doubt that they figured out Dave and Tim's strategy way back but ... that stategy need to be guarded so the Arubans would not catch on.

Will there be a grand reunion welcoming them all back into the cage?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

GOOD NIGHT ALL!

Janet
10:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:06:33 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 25, 2009, 01:07:41 AM
Enjoyed reading all of the night owl deep thoughts. Way to go Monkeys and have a great week. Nite Ya'll!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:09:56 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO
I'm gonna ask one more time........... where is Red????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:10:07 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Does this imply that the prodical Monkeys who were upset over the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words can be given the benefit of the doubt that they figured out Dave and Tim's strategy way back but ... that stategy need to be guarded so the Arubans would not catch on.

Will there be a grand reunion welcoming them all back into the cage?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

GOOD NIGHT ALL!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

I don't know where the implication of that came from, but it is certainly NOT in my thinking.

Nothing the ex monkeys did on their way out of here, or since they left can be justified by that scenario, JMO.

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:11:53 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO

I agree.  And that announcement was posted just a few days before the fundraiser was to take place IIRC.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:15:34 AM
Enjoyed reading all of the night owl deep thoughts. Way to go Monkeys and have a great week. Nite Ya'll!!! 

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'd love to know what your thoughts are on all we discussed when you have time!  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:18:38 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Does this imply that the prodical Monkeys who were upset over the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words can be given the benefit of the doubt that they figured out Dave and Tim's strategy way back but ... that stategy need to be guarded so the Arubans would not catch on.

Will there be a grand reunion welcoming them all back into the cage?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

GOOD NIGHT ALL!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Good night Janet.

With all that has transpired in the "Forum Wars" I doubt that any of the Prodigal Monkeys would be welcomed back,
and they probably would not want to come if they could.  I think the line in the sand has been drawn.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 01:22:11 AM

I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!

Now that's a scenario I can go for!   ::MonkeyCool::

Does this imply that the prodical Monkeys who were upset over the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words can be given the benefit of the doubt that they figured out Dave and Tim's strategy way back but ... that stategy need to be guarded so the Arubans would not catch on.

Will there be a grand reunion welcoming them all back into the cage?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

GOOD NIGHT ALL!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

I don't know where the implication of that came from, but it is certainly NOT in my thinking.

Nothing the ex monkeys did on their way out of here, or since they left can be justified by that scenario, JMO.

Good night Janet!   ::MonkeyAngel::




At this stage of the game.....with what we know, NO ex monkeys have a get out of jail card...what I have posted above is only my speculation after dissecting facts/info developed long after the ex monkeys departure..they can't claim prior knowledge that they knew all along...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:24:20 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:25:52 AM


Where's hotping?   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:26:26 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO
I'm gonna ask one more time........... where is Red????

I think Klaas will have to answer that.  I don't know if he visits other forums or not.  I haven't seen
him here in a long long time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 01:30:25 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::
That's wreck's call.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 25, 2009, 01:32:09 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 01:33:36 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO
I'm gonna ask one more time........... where is Red????

Last post ... July 18, 2009

Janet

+++++

Red
Re: Caylee Marie Anthony #141
« Reply #1315 on: July 18, 2009, 01:34:07 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5487.msg881505#msg881505


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:34:20 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::
That's wreck's call.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:36:15 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::
That's wreck's call.... ::MonkeyCool::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Nope, that's not it!   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:36:50 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO
I'm gonna ask one more time........... where is Red????

Last post ... July 18, 2009

Janet

+++++

Red
Re: Caylee Marie Anthony #141
« Reply #1315 on: July 18, 2009, 01:34:07 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5487.msg881505#msg881505

Yeah, but what about Natalee??? I can't believe he has walked away .... I think something is brewing he can't talk about.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:37:16 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::

We could give billb the Robots avi and we would all be happy.  I could  recognize him them. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:38:19 AM


Maybe Red's busy helping the helpers!  ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:39:00 AM
billb........ I think we are basically on the same page! (no fights here!)  ::MonkeyCool::
We are...no worries wreck......
Although KTF says I'm better looking than you.... ::MonkeyLaugh::
Don't know if that's a good thing though...with him and his canoe trips.... ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::

At least I'm brave enough to show my pic!  ::MonkeyDevil::
Pic? ...I've never been offered a pic...
challenge...what is a billb?   100,000 points to the winner of:
"Pick a pic for billb"
wreck has final say..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::



I have one that I think is probably a striking resemblance, but you'll just deny it!   ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyWink::

We could give billb the Robots avi and we would all be happy.  I could  recognize him them. ::MonkeyHaHa::
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:40:01 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....
Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 01:42:20 AM
Boy I almost pooped when I saw all the pages I had to read to catch up......Its really Great to see all this cussin and discussin going on....... ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Ya Monkeys!

 I vote for the Robots Avi for billb...... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:43:13 AM
Boy I almost pooped when I saw all the pages I had to read to catch up......Its really Great to see all this cussin and discussin going on....... ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Ya Monkeys!

 I vote for the Robots Avi for billb...... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hi hotping!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:43:42 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 01:46:00 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Me thinks it would be very "fitting"!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 01:48:00 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::
Thank You Wreck...That's a Very Wise Choice!  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:48:26 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Yeah, Wreck ::MonkeyCheer4::  I think it is the one he needs.  I think that is his alter-ego anyway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 01:55:28 AM
Maybe Klaas will see Our posts about billb and the Robots avi and She can fix billb up before He comes back tomorrow night......  ::MonkeyWink::  ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 02:00:45 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


I have always found it highly suspicious, especially since Tim made the big announcement that Beth would be there.
Something real fishy. IMO
I'm gonna ask one more time........... where is Red????

Last post ... July 18, 2009

Janet

+++++

Red
Re: Caylee Marie Anthony #141
« Reply #1315 on: July 18, 2009, 01:34:07 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5487.msg881505#msg881505

Yeah, but what about Natalee??? I can't believe he has walked away .... I think something is brewing he can't talk about.

Red said that he talks to Beth every week or two and theirs is a friendship that is lasting. 
I don't think he has given up....just cooling his heels and waiting.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 02:09:10 AM
http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.
JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::

I Agree!  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 02:27:30 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Are you sure, Wreck? I have it and I'll leave it up to you guys..........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
Good Night/Morning All!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: Justice For Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 02:29:01 AM
This is the "undecorated" one that was robots:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 02:34:08 AM
Good Night/Morning All!

 ::MonkeyGavel:: Justice For Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night/morning hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 02:40:06 AM
Holidays for Robots:

Halloween:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/hr2.gif)


Christmas:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/crb2.gif)

Valentine's Day:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/robotValentine.gif)

4th of July:    (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/rbt4.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 02:44:16 AM
Holidays for Robots:

Halloween:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/hr2.gif)


Christmas:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/crb2.gif)

Valentine's Day:   (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/Valentine%20Avatar/robotValentine.gif)

4th of July:    (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/4th%20of%20July/rbt4.gif)

The guys may not agree with me, but I'm picturing him "down by the river" for summer...maybe with his cigar too!

 ::MonkeyWink::

I bet you can work some magic on him CBB!  You're the best!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 02:47:10 AM
I'll be happy to do anything he'd want, texasmom! Should I wait and see what he wants or are we making an executive decision?   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 02:50:15 AM
I'll be happy to do anything he'd want, texasmom! Should I wait and see what he wants or are we making an executive decision?   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Yes, I think we should see what he would like.  I was already eyeballing Magnolia's boat for him!  He may not like my ideas.  Magnolia might not either, but I didn't necessarily mean HER boat...maybe one like it.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 02:55:22 AM


He might even be more of a jet-ski type!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:09:58 AM
COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:12:55 AM
billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

ahemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:14:00 AM
 ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyMad::
 ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Boy I almost pooped when I saw all the pages I had to read to catch up......Its really Great to see all this cussin and discussin going on....... ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi Ya Monkeys!

 I vote for the Robots Avi for billb...... ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:15:33 AM
COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:17:00 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:18:43 AM
hello my friend :)  nice to see you

and my other friends that are sleeping.......


just when you thought it was ok to dispense with me.........LOL  and my avi

just cause i dont post too often doesnt mean i aint up to speed 100 percent on the case
and doesnt mean i have not been sleuthing the case   in stealth mode






COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:20:42 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:23:49 AM
hello my friend :)  nice to see you

and my other friends that are sleeping.......


just when you thought it was ok to dispense with me.........LOL  and my avi

just cause i dont post too often doesnt mean i aint up to speed 100 percent on the case
and doesnt mean i have not been sleuthing the case   in stealth mode






COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Do you have a twin/brother/alter ego that goes by billb?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

We all love Robots, and billb....just thought you might be one and the same!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:25:39 AM
OMG!!! Oh, you big beautiful ROBOTS you!!!!!!     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:27:01 AM
ROBOTS!!!!    ::MonkeyCheer2::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/hugs.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:27:12 AM
HI ROBOTS...Where the Heck have You been.....TM.... We should have threatened to give His Avi away along time ago if It would have gotten Him back in this cage........ ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:27:24 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:28:08 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you know how many times I've gone back and read your last post? I've missed you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:29:03 AM



billb looks like a good one  :)

hello my friend :)  nice to see you

and my other friends that are sleeping.......


just when you thought it was ok to dispense with me.........LOL  and my avi

just cause i dont post too often doesnt mean i aint up to speed 100 percent on the case
and doesnt mean i have not been sleuthing the case   in stealth mode






COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyShocked::

ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Do you have a twin/brother/alter ego that goes by billb?   ::MonkeyJnBox::

We all love Robots, and billb....just thought you might be one and the same!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:29:21 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Yes There Are!  Robots Robots Robots!  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:29:52 AM
i have missed you toooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you know how many times I've gone back and read your last post? I've missed you!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:30:19 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you know how many times I've gone back and read your last post? I've missed you!!

ME TOO!!!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:30:50 AM
ROFL   nice to see ya  ::MonkeyCool::


HI ROBOTS...Where the Heck have You been.....TM.... We should have threatened to give His Avi away along time ago if It would have gotten Him back in this cage........ ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:31:07 AM
Oh, PUHLEASE let me see you say it again........................


I  H-A-T-E     T-H-E-M    A-L-L !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:32:42 AM
I had gone to bed and then I realized I hate not shut down the computer came back hit refresh and found none other than


ROBOTS....... ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:32:53 AM
Oh, PUHLEASE let me see you say it again........................


I  H-A-T-E     T-H-E-M    A-L-L !!

  ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:33:23 AM
it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:33:38 AM
I had gone to bed and then I realized I hate not shut down the computer came back hit refresh and found none other than


ROBOTS....... ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Things like that happen for a reason!   ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:34:36 AM
AINT THAT THE TRUTH  


Oh, PUHLEASE let me see you say it again........................


I  H-A-T-E     T-H-E-M    A-L-L !!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:36:06 AM
 ::MonkeyEek::

You may not even recognize me!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm crazybabyborgs ( I shortened it ) and this was me:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/thMarilyn.jpg)


Robots? Are you still following Natalee's case?

It's wonderful to have you here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:36:23 AM
I had gone to bed and then I realized I hate not shut down the computer came back hit refresh and found none other than


ROBOTS....... ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Things like that happen for a reason!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
Yes I was Blessed!


Robots Robots Robots Robots Robots  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:37:18 AM
 i have spent the last couple years  attempting to  FOIL the EVIL ISLAND TOURISM
one tourist at a time... and they will never know how many i have cost them,,,, hehehehehhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

and,,, no i have not been arrrested or told to leave the airport  lately  for wearing a sign that says  ARUBA SUCKS         lately


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:39:03 AM
it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm SO HAPPY to see you ROBOTS!  Don't tell Janet.....  ::MonkeyKiss::

I'll be humming Christmas songs till I see you again!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

Justice for Natalee is right around the corner!  
 
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:39:20 AM
like a hound dog... speaking of which i have a black lab a little over a year that has a nose that is incredible....... i have had a lot of dogs and i have loved them all

 in my 98 years....... but this one takes the cake....i love her  :)

::MonkeyEek::

You may not even recognize me!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm crazybabyborgs ( I shortened it ) and this was me:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/thMarilyn.jpg)


Robots? Are you still following Natalee's case?

It's wonderful to have you here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:40:27 AM
of course i knew it was.. you        how could i not  ::MonkeyKiss::

::MonkeyEek::

You may not even recognize me!   ::MonkeyShocked::

I'm crazybabyborgs ( I shortened it ) and this was me:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/thMarilyn.jpg)


Robots? Are you still following Natalee's case?

It's wonderful to have you here!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:41:06 AM
you got it  ::MonkeyCool::

it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

I'm SO HAPPY to see you ROBOTS!  Don't tell Janet.....  ::MonkeyKiss::

I'll be humming Christmas songs till I see you again!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyWink::

Justice for Natalee is right around the corner!  
 
 ::MonkeyJustice::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:41:23 AM
it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Please Come Back Tomorrow Night and as Often as You Can ....Everyone will be Very Happy To See You!  You Have Been Truly Missed....I'm About to Cry I'm So Happy.....  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:42:15 AM
PAULUS the weasel is going down

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:42:20 AM
i have spent the last couple years  attempting to  FOIL the EVIL ISLAND TOURISM
one tourist at a time... and they will never know how many i have cost them,,,, hehehehehhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

and,,, no i have not been arrrested or told to leave the airport  lately  for wearing a sign that says  ARUBA SUCKS         lately

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Aw.......... let's tell them!!   ::MonkeyDance::

Let's tell them all!!! 

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/NoTour.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:42:43 AM
i have spent the last couple years  attempting to  FOIL the EVIL ISLAND TOURISM
one tourist at a time... and they will never know how many i have cost them,,,, hehehehehhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

and,,, no i have not been arrrested or told to leave the airport  lately  for wearing a sign that says  ARUBA SUCKS         lately

I love it!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:43:05 AM
yepper... see you then  HOT !!! ::MonkeyTongue::

it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Please Come Back Tomorrow Night and as Often as You Can ....Everyone will be Very Happy To See You!  You Have Been Truly Missed....I'm About to Cry I'm So Happy.....  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:43:43 AM
PAULUS the weasel is going down

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


OMG! That's music to my ears!!!!!

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/woohoo20dance.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 25, 2009, 03:44:35 AM
gnight... i need to get up in 2.5 hours...





 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
PAULUS the weasel is going down

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:45:55 AM
yepper... see you then  HOT !!! ::MonkeyTongue::

it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Please Come Back Tomorrow Night and as Often as You Can ....Everyone will be Very Happy To See You!  You Have Been Truly Missed....I'm About to Cry I'm So Happy.....  ::MonkeyDance::
Thanks Robots! By the Way ....I HATE THEM ALL TOO!  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:46:24 AM
it took me a couple times to log in... . had to go back ,,way back in my metal head and try a couple different
passwords... found it

phewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.... got lucky i think

i will be back hopefully tomorrow night.....say hi to everyone
nice to see you all :)

::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Don't disappear...they won't believe me!   ::MonkeyWaa::

There are benefits to being on the REALLY LATE NIGHT CREW!!!!!!   ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
Please Come Back Tomorrow Night and as Often as You Can ....Everyone will be Very Happy To See You!  You Have Been Truly Missed....I'm About to Cry I'm So Happy.....  ::MonkeyDance::

Me too, hotping!!!   

I've got to get some sleep too, but ROBOTS, we'll see you tomorrow night, OK???   

I'll be THRILLED to find billb another avi!!!!    ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:47:00 AM
gnight... i need to get up in 2.5 hours...





 ::MonkeyJnBox::
Good Night! See Ya Tomorrow!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:47:28 AM
gnight... i need to get up in 2.5 hours...


 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Good night Robots, you've made my day...and tomorrow too!   ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 03:49:30 AM
 hotping, and texasmom,

I'm so glad to share this reunion with you guys!!!!    ::MonkeySlide::

WOO HOO!!! Hey, it's an omen of good things! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE! It just may happen!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 03:51:30 AM
hotping, and texasmom,

I'm so glad to share this reunion with you guys!!!!    ::MonkeySlide::

WOO HOO!!! Hey, it's an omen of good things! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE! It just may happen!

I'm so glad you were here too CBB!!!  (((hugs)))!!!!

It's gonna happen...I just KNOW it!   ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::

 ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:53:37 AM
hotping, and texasmom,

I'm so glad to share this reunion with you guys!!!!    ::MonkeySlide::

WOO HOO!!! Hey, it's an omen of good things! JUSTICE FOR NATALEE! It just may happen!
Thanks CBB! I AGREE I BELIEVE IT IS AN OMEN!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 03:57:17 AM
ROBOTS...I Want to Thank You for Coming Back Tonight....You Have Filled My Heart With Joy! You Are A True  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Night All! (Again lol)  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 04:01:42 AM


8/25/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

bobcat owing to cay on trahador, causando his dead

monday morning owing to enter informacion of one accidente earnest at leg of trabao at johnson’s at byerlite. according informacionnan cu owing to follow enter, is tell cu is one bobcat will have to owing to cay on one person n’e compania johnson at byerlite. after owing to tell cu is one cilinder owing to cay on pecho of the trahador. the first ambulance cu owing to arrive n’e sitio y owing to cuminsa at atende the trahador y transporta the victima cu maximo urgencia for hospital. the victima was enough instabiel, y at arrival at hospital for 10:42 dr. peterson owing to constata dead of the trahador enmanuelle junior quevedo, that owing to nace at aruba, day 14 of april 1986, then have barely 23 year, that was live at sabana liber. informacionnan inoficial is indica cu probably will bay practica autopsia on the curpa of the victima already cu not had one claridad fiho if is collapse of lung or is ruptura of curazon. this is motibo also pakico fiscal mr. deutekom did take the curpa in beslag. condolencia is bay at famianan of the fayecido.

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 04:02:49 AM
ROBOTS...I Want to Thank You for Coming Back Tonight....You Have Filled My Heart With Joy! You Are A True  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good Night All! (Again lol)  ::MonkeySlide::

Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::

I'm not far behind you this time! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 04:03:10 AM
I can't leave!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I just PM'd Klaas and the other mods and blathered on and on to them!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Robots! Dear sweet, positive, encouraging ROBOTS is back!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Oh thank you. I feel like a member of my family has come home! You've made my day and many to come, Robots!

I can't wait to hear your take on so many things!

WELCOME BACK!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 04:04:34 AM
Night All! Sleep Well and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 04:07:41 AM
I can't leave!   ::MonkeyLaugh::

I just PM'd Klaas and the other mods and blathered on and on to them!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Robots! Dear sweet, positive, encouraging ROBOTS is back!!!  ::MonkeyDance::

Oh thank you. I feel like a member of my family has come home! You've made my day and many to come, Robots!

I can't wait to hear your take on so many things!

WELCOME BACK!!!!!

 ::MonkeyLaugh::

I know how you feel CBB, I can't stop smiling!  And I've shed a few happy tears too, so nice to have happy tears!!!!!!!!!!!!

I probably won't be able to sleep, but I've got to try...or it will be a very long day at work tomorrow!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 04:08:34 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)




Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 04:09:20 AM
Night All! Sleep Well and God Bless! ::MonkeyWink::

Good night, and God Bless you too CBB!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 08:02:43 AM
ROFL   nice to see ya  ::MonkeyCool::


HI ROBOTS...Where the Heck have You been.....TM.... We should have threatened to give His Avi away along time ago if It would have gotten Him back in this cage........ ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyJnBox:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


 ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


OMG               IT'S ROBOTS


So good to see you on the board again.  We have missed you.

How old are you now?  (in robot years)    ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 25, 2009, 08:09:21 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



 ::MonkeySlide::   i can appear and disappear in the blink of an eye


its like magic  ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::

Do you know how many times I've gone back and read your last post? I've missed you!!

ME TOO!!!!!!   ::MonkeyWaa::


OMG ME TOO!! I kept trying to find some hidden code or something in it!! I kept waiting for something more......something more to happen or SOMETHING! LMAO!!  ::MonkeyJnBox::
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Re: Natalee Case Discussion #722 on: February 04, 2008, 11:43:21 PM

excellent job Red !
fantastic support you were for many many people
so many pulled together- and you were leading many times
as i mentioned one crazy day there were some lessons that i hope people will never forget... i know i will never forget 

Hope is a good thing, sometimes the best thing and sometimes its all we have. 




my job is done here..

be well



Robots  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 08:24:31 AM
Now we need Carpe to come home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 08:29:09 AM
Now we need Carpe to come home.

::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyHeart:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 08:30:06 AM


Have a great day Monkeys!   ::MonkeySlide::

Still smiling!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
 ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 08:48:49 AM
In other words ... Robin and Dave Holloway get a pass.

Thank you Jen.

As I said ... I am done for now.

One again in my Natalee Holloway journey ... the writing is on the wall.

Janet



Mmmm I don't think of Robin in the same context as I do Dave.  She hasn't been there, in my mind, since before they left the island in 2005.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 08:49:51 AM
If I was talking about anybody but Dave Holloway ... I do believe there would be a dialogue taking place at this moment.  Instead ... silence.

I am done for now.

Janet

Janet.I'm very confused to Dave Holloway as well as Tim Miller.
I too am extremely puzzled about Dave. I really find it difficult to question him though because I do know that he has done everything in his power to find the answers. I have to believe that he has been hoodwinked by some people on Aruba. He is so desperate -- he grasped at straws. JMO

Not just people in Aruba, IMO.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 08:52:53 AM



I too am extremely puzzled about Dave. I really find it difficult to question him though because I do know that he has done everything in his power to find the answers. I have to believe that he has been hoodwinked by some people on Aruba. He is so desperate -- he grasped at straws. JMO

I agree that he has been hoodwinked.   It is my opinion that Dave is a weak man... made weaker by Natalee's disappearance.
I think he has allowed Robin to make decisions that he should have made himsself.  I don't think that Robin's heart is in finding Natalee and Dave has allowed her to influence his decisions.  It is easier to just go along with Robin than to put up a fight.

I agree with the bolded 100% Magnolia!

But I think that Robin hasn't had any sort of aversion to finding Natalee - rather, I think that Robin allowed herself to get hooked into some things that started out as one thing............but turned into a devastating roadblock to Dave and Beth's goal of finding their daughter.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 08:58:06 AM


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.
Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.



Me neither.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:38:31 AM
COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ROBOTS!  Great to see you!!  I don't blame you one bit!  Gone for a short while and they are ready to divorse you and keep the wedding band  ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Glad to see you back!  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 09:40:24 AM
i have spent the last couple years  attempting to  FOIL the EVIL ISLAND TOURISM
one tourist at a time... and they will never know how many i have cost them,,,, hehehehehhahahahahahahahahahahhaha

and,,, no i have not been arrrested or told to leave the airport  lately  for wearing a sign that says  ARUBA SUCKS         lately

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::  You sound like my kind of robots!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:46:25 AM
Has this already been posted?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61434.php

American tourists furious about press conference
22 Aug, 2009, 09:18 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Tourists who had decided to have a bite at restaurant El Gaucho where Minister of Justice was holding a press conference, responded furiously on the tumult surrounding the press conference. The four Americans were of the opinion that the press conference was too noisy and that the tumult disturbed their enjoyment of their meal. “I just want to peacefully enjoy this meal in the restaurant”, one of them said. At a certain stage, one of the tourists started yelling. He was then told that the restaurant personnel would phone the police if he continued yelling. The unsatisfied guest could not believe his ears. “I come to your restaurant to enjoy a peaceful meal and you are going to phone the police?” At a given moment, he was fed up and left the restaurant with his three table-companions. He cussed the present public while he walked out. The press conference continued without further disturbances after they had left. The press conference – which was held by Rudy Croes and party-leaders of the Curaçao political party PKLP – concerned the advice of the Advisory State that the Antilles would be wise to postpone the parliament elections of 2010. According to the Minister of Justice and Errol Cova, PLKP party-leader, the Netherlands wants to affect the self-government of Curaçao and re-colonize the Netherlands Antilles. “We must take care that the change in the States on Curaçao will not have any consequences for Aruba” according to Croes.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
WOW!!!! Just WOW!
I make a "Proclamation" last night and within 5 minutes of leaving, ROBOTS shows up!!!!!



(........ Now if we can only find Red!!)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 10:23:27 AM


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


It appears the fundraiser was concelled on the day it was to begin.

Janet

+++++++

Texas EquuSearch Fundraiser “Party for a Cause - Texas Style” at Lance’s Turtle Club in Seabrook, TX (7/24/09 - 7/26/09)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/07/05/texas-equusearch-fundraiser-party-for-a-cause-texas-style-at-lances-turtle-club-in-seabrook-tx-72409-72609/


Cancellation of Fundraiser
Posted on 24. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/










Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 10:30:23 AM
I can't believe how wonderful it made me fell just to see Robots has been here. ::MonkeyDance::

Robots brings HOPE always.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 10:50:48 AM
COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ROBOTS!  Great to see you!!  I don't blame you one bit!  Gone for a short while and they are ready to divorse you and keep the wedding band  ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Glad to see you back!  ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyShocked::     ::MonkeyTease::

Oh no you don't, Miss Tyrannical Ruler! Hey!  ::MonkeyEek:: Are you and Robots related? I registered my reluctance right here:

billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Are you sure, Wreck? I have it and I'll leave it up to you guys..........

Besides, It was all masterminded by Wreck! It worked, too!   ::MonkeyCheer3::  THANKS, Wreck!

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 10:53:03 AM


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/

Did this just not make sense to anyone else?  It's not like tough times began while they were in the planning stages.  I can't help but feel there had to be more to it.

JMO

 ::MonkeyConfused::


It appears the fundraiser was concelled on the day it was to begin.

Janet

+++++++

Texas EquuSearch Fundraiser “Party for a Cause - Texas Style” at Lance’s Turtle Club in Seabrook, TX (7/24/09 - 7/26/09)

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/07/05/texas-equusearch-fundraiser-party-for-a-cause-texas-style-at-lances-turtle-club-in-seabrook-tx-72409-72609/


Cancellation of Fundraiser
Posted on 24. Jul, 2009 by smckinney in Calendar of Events, Featured Articles


http://texasequusearch.org/2009/07/cancellation-of-fundraiser/







We've gotten invitations to fundraisers for local hospitals, colleges, or whatnot that sometimes include black tie affairs or raffles that are big bucks.  They go right in the recycle can.  Maybe they just didn't have the head count to start with and held out until the last minute.   I know TES was in NJ looking for Julie Madsen, I think in July. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:05:18 AM
COUGH COUGH


GRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ROBOTS!  Great to see you!!  I don't blame you one bit!  Gone for a short while and they are ready to divorse you and keep the wedding band  ::MonkeyDevil:: 

Glad to see you back!  ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyShocked::     ::MonkeyTease::

Oh no you don't, Miss Tyrannical Ruler! Hey!  ::MonkeyEek:: Are you and Robots related? I registered my reluctance right here:

billb granted me final say ............. I say  - give him "robots'"   ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Are you sure, Wreck? I have it and I'll leave it up to you guys..........

Besides, It was all masterminded by Wreck! It worked, too!   ::MonkeyCheer3::  THANKS, Wreck!

 ::MonkeyDevil2::
I wasn't the "mastermind" ...... but I thought the "Robots" avi was a great idea!!!  ::MonkeyCheer4::  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:16:51 AM

Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

Wreck

Immediately following Robin Holloway's enfamous post to BFN .... I sent a compilation of Reality, Purcell and Ramm's past posts ... past posts that reflected an Aruban agenda ... to both Robin and Dave care of their respective email addresses.  Another Natalee's Freebird did likewise.  I felt certain that Natalee's stepmother and father were being deceived and they did not have a clue.

I received a response from Robin.  She was very polite.  She articulated her words very well.  Robin implied that dwelling on the negative was not going to bring about justice for Natalee.  Not exactly her words but ... same implication.  I was so frustrated.  I could not comprehend her response.  There was no reference to the compiled posts I provided.  Those despicable words bashing Natalee ... bashing Dave and ... bashing the MB students while ... upholding the van der Sloots ... the Kalpoes ... the investigation and Julia Renfro were a none issue.  If I thought for one minute I was going to earn some Brownie badges with Natalee's family ... I was soooo wrong.

Wreck ... that was EXACTLY THREE YEARS AGO.  There is no way that a stepmother and father who originally embarked on a mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ... there is no way that a father would authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... could be deceived for so long by Mark Purcell.  There is something more ... so much more behind the flip flop.  IMO.

Dave is not weak ... he is not easily manipulated ... but if he was ... that is no defense ... no excuse ... not pass from me.  For crying out loud ... justice for his precious daughter is where it is at.  He should be willing to fight the demons of H--- for the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... not bow to the enemy who only objective is preventing justice from prevailing.

Janet
 

Dave Holloway has a mind of his own.  He is not weak.  He is not easily manipulated.  There was time ... prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... that Natalee's father would not be deterred by those he believed stood in the way of his mission for answers!  His daughter was the focus ... nothing else!

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 14:
  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.  Natalee made a statement when giving us those graduation tickets: "I wasn't going to give up on you."  And my statement to her now was, "I'm not going to give up on you either!"






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 12:07:06 PM

Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

Wreck

Immediately following Robin Holloway's enfamous post to BFN .... I sent a compilation of Reality, Purcell and Ramm's past posts ... past posts that reflected an Aruban agenda ... to both Robin and Dave care of their respective email addresses.  Another Natalee's Freebird did likewise.  I felt certain that Natalee's stepmother and father were being deceived and they did not have a clue.

I received a response from Robin.  She was very polite.  She articulated her words very well.  Robin implied that dwelling on the negative was not going to bring about justice for Natalee.  Not exactly her words but ... same implication.  I was so frustrated.  I could not comprehend her response.  There was no reference to the compiled posts I provided.  Those despicable words bashing Natalee ... bashing Dave and ... bashing the MB students while ... upholding the van der Sloots ... the Kalpoes ... the investigation and Julia Renfro were a none issue.  If I thought for one minute I was going to earn some Brownie badges with Natalee's family ... I was soooo wrong.

Wreck ... that was EXACTLY THREE YEARS AGO.  There is no way that a stepmother and father who originally embarked on a mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ... there is no way that a father would authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... could be deceived for so long by Mark Purcell.  There is something more ... so much more behind the flip flop.  IMO.

Dave is not weak ... he is not easily manipulated ... but if he was ... that is no defense ... no excuse ... not pass from me.  For crying out loud ... justice for his precious daughter is where it is at.  He should be willing to fight the demons of H--- for the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... not bow to the enemy who only objective is preventing justice from prevailing.

Janet
 

Dave Holloway has a mind of his own.  He is not weak.  He is not easily manipulated.  There was time ... prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... that Natalee's father would not be deterred by those he believed stood in the way of his mission for answers!  His daughter was the focus ... nothing else!

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 14:
  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.  Natalee made a statement when giving us those graduation tickets: "I wasn't going to give up on you."  And my statement to her now was, "I'm not going to give up on you either!"






What is it Janet?  What is behind the flip-flop?  I can see why Robin would flip-flop,
but I can think of no reason for Dave to do so.
You will have to tell us.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 25, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
God willing,i will never feel the pain that Dave Holloway has.In my own head,at this point,i have a hard time giving Dave & Robin a pass if either one associates with the "Powers that be" as well as the disinformation specialists.I'm here for the Truth wherever that takes me.
Something is just not right!I will say it again.I hope i'm 110% wrong and have to eat crow but,i will beat a dead horse again!1.5 million dollars.....With the millionaire as well as their billionaire business buddies it wouldn't take close to two years to raise the money!What's the EXCUSE for not being able to raise the money?JMOO ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:44:00 PM



What is it Janet?  What is behind the flip-flop?  I can see why Robin would flip-flop,
but I can think of no reason for Dave to do so.
You will have to tell us.


Magnolia

Nothing new I reveal would convince you or others that Dave Holloway is one with his wife in regards to the reasons behind the the ongoing Mark Purcell connection.  Robin Holloway will alway be the manipulator and ... Dave Holloway is the manipulated.  Poor Dave has no will of his own.

Think about it.

Prior to the Mark Purcell connection Robin and Dave were a team along with Beth and Jug ... fighting the powers that be in Aruba to replace the investigative team that they perceived as not having justice for Natalee as an objective.

Then Mark Purcell happened.  Nothing will convince me that Dave Holloway is not one with his wife in regards to this ongoing ... three year ... relationship.

Only two month prior to that enfamous Robin post at BFN upholding the three trolls with an Aruban agenda ... Robin Holloway could have been consider a Monkey when her perception of the dynamics encompassing her stepdaughters disappearance is considered.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happen.  The words within the cover of CORRUPTION IN PARADISE implies Dave Holloway could have been a Monkey.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happened.

Magnolia ... In his/her quest to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...there is not one Monkey on this forum who would have hooked up with Mark Purcell in pursuance of that quest.

Why do you think Dave and Robin Holloway flip flopped?  Why do you think Congressman Spencer Bachus flip flopped in what he had perceived as a corrupt Aruban investigation?

Janet

+++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY - PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

'Scarborough Country' - March 24, 2006


ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPMOTHER: If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/


FOX News - August 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


CBS News - June 17, 2005

"I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  "They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/earlyshow/main702639.shtml





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 12:48:27 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 12:55:21 PM
What changed?  Do we give Congressman Spencer Bachus a pass?  Do we speculate that he has a strategic plan to appease the Arubans and ultimately bring about justice for Natalee Holloway?

Janet

++++++


PRIOR TO THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

Birmingham News -  June 5, 2005


U.S. Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Vestavia Hills, said Saturday there were circumstances surrounding Holloway's disappearance that warranted the FBI being heavily involved. He declined to give details.
 
"The circumstances were disturbing," said Bachus, who formally requested the FBI's involvement. "I can't get into it, but it's something the family is aware of. There was an immediate recognition that this was not simply a teen who wandered off



FOLLOWING THE MEETING WITH THOSE WITH AN ARUBAN AGENDA

CBS News - December 16, 2005


(AP) Rep. Spencer Bachus said he came away from a Friday meeting with Aruban officials with the sense that they plan to vigorously pursue leads in the disappearance of American student Natalee Holloway.

Bachus, R-Ala., whose district includes Mountain Brook, where Holloway is from, divulged little about the substance of the meeting, saying only it was a "frank and open discussion" and that Aruban authorities have devoted "tremendous resources" to the case.

"Their intention going forward ... is not to shut this case down, but to continue to pursue it vigorously," Bachus told reporters. "They do not consider it a closed case nor do they consider that they have a dead end. They continue to develop information and pursue leads."

Bachus and Alabama officials would not comment on exactly what Richardson, Aruban police analyst Renato Emerencia and Aruban attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper told them about

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/12/16/politics/main1134653.shtml


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:13:09 PM



What is it Janet?  What is behind the flip-flop?  I can see why Robin would flip-flop,
but I can think of no reason for Dave to do so.
You will have to tell us.


Magnolia

Nothing new I reveal would convince you or others that Dave Holloway is one with his wife in regards to the reasons behind the the ongoing Mark Purcell connection.  Robin Holloway will alway be the manipulator and ... Dave Holloway is the manipulated.  Poor Dave has no will of his own.

Think about it.

Prior to the Mark Purcell connection Robin and Dave were a team along with Beth and Jug ... fighting the powers that be in Aruba to replace the investigative team that they perceived as not having justice for Natalee as an objective.

Then Mark Purcell happened.  Nothing will convince me that Dave Holloway is not one with his wife in regards to this ongoing ... three year ... relationship.

Only two month prior to that enfamous Robin post at BFN upholding the three trolls with an Aruban agenda ... Robin Holloway could have been consider a Monkey when her perception of the dynamics encompassing her stepdaughters disappearance is considered.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happen.  The words within the cover of CORRUPTION IN PARADISE implies Dave Holloway could have been a Monkey.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happened.

Magnolia ... In his/her quest to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...there is not one Monkey on this forum who would have hooked up with Mark Purcell in pursuance of that quest.

Why do you think Dave and Robin Holloway flip flopped?  Why do you think Congressman Spencer Bachus flip flopped in what he had perceived as a corrupt Aruban investigation?

Janet

+++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY - PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

'Scarborough Country' - March 24, 2006


ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPMOTHER: If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/


FOX News - August 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


CBS News - June 17, 2005

"I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  "They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/earlyshow/main702639.shtml





I will be the first to admit that I have no idea what Dave could be thinking by associating with the likes of Mark Purcell
and Julia Renfro. 
At one time I thought it was the old "keep your enemies closer" theory, but I gave up on that idea long ago.
I do think Dave is a weak man.  Maybe I should say he is not strong willed like Beth is.  There are many Southern men like Dave.
It is a trait found more in the South, I believe....a good ole boy who just goes with the flow.  I think that is how he ended up with Robin and Beth got full custody of the children.  He just doesn't like to make waves.  I do believe that Dave has enough character that he could not be bought.....at least where Natalee is concerned.
Spencer Bachus on the other hand could be bought for a shilling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:22:55 PM



What is it Janet?  What is behind the flip-flop?  I can see why Robin would flip-flop,
but I can think of no reason for Dave to do so.
You will have to tell us.


Magnolia

Nothing new I reveal would convince you or others that Dave Holloway is one with his wife in regards to the reasons behind the the ongoing Mark Purcell connection.  Robin Holloway will alway be the manipulator and ... Dave Holloway is the manipulated.  Poor Dave has no will of his own.

Think about it.

Prior to the Mark Purcell connection Robin and Dave were a team along with Beth and Jug ... fighting the powers that be in Aruba to replace the investigative team that they perceived as not having justice for Natalee as an objective.

Then Mark Purcell happened.  Nothing will convince me that Dave Holloway is not one with his wife in regards to this ongoing ... three year ... relationship.

Only two month prior to that enfamous Robin post at BFN upholding the three trolls with an Aruban agenda ... Robin Holloway could have been consider a Monkey when her perception of the dynamics encompassing her stepdaughters disappearance is considered.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happen.  The words within the cover of CORRUPTION IN PARADISE implies Dave Holloway could have been a Monkey.  Then the Mark Purcell connection happened.

Magnolia ... In his/her quest to expose the corrupt investigation that was preventing justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway ...there is not one Monkey on this forum who would have hooked up with Mark Purcell in pursuance of that quest.

Why do you think Dave and Robin Holloway flip flopped?  Why do you think Congressman Spencer Bachus flip flopped in what he had perceived as a corrupt Aruban investigation?

Janet

+++++


ROBIN HOLLOWAY - PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

'Scarborough Country' - March 24, 2006


ROBIN HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S STEPMOTHER: If she was drugged, it was because of the last drink Joran gave her, either compliments of Joran or the bartender.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11994147/


FOX News - August 26, 2005

The brothers were first arrested on June 9 along with Joran van der Sloot (search), 18, who authorities have identified as a suspect in the case though no charges have been filed.

"We haven't been told why, but I think it's obvious," Natalee's stepmother, Robin Holloway, said by phone from Meridian, Miss.  We've known all along they all had something to do with Natalee's disappearance."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166995,00.html


CBS News - June 17, 2005

"I don't think they're going to find Natalee until these [first] three guys talk," said Robin Holloway.  "They know they were the last ones to see her. And I firmly believe in my heart they know where Natalee is and just please tell us.  They hold the answer."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/earlyshow/main702639.shtml





I will be the first to admit that I have no idea what Dave could be thinking by associating with the likes of Mark Purcell
and Julia Renfro. 
At one time I thought it was the old "keep your enemies closer" theory, but I gave up on that idea long ago.
I do think Dave is a weak man.  Maybe I should say he is not strong willed like Beth is.  There are many Southern men like Dave.
It is a trait found more in the South, I believe....a good ole boy who just goes with the flow.  I think that is how he ended up with Robin and Beth got full custody of the children.  He just doesn't like to make waves.  I do believe that Dave has enough character that he could not be bought.....at least where Natalee is concerned.
Spencer Bachus on the other hand could be bought for a shilling.
Maybe "deep South" men fall into that category -- I just don't see too many Texans or Oklahomans that fall into that caregory. But I agree, I think Dave got weak -- he did not strike me that way at first.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:34:07 PM
I think you are right , Wreck.  It is a Deep South thing.  Alabama, Mississippi, South Georgia and South Carolina
more than else where.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
I think you are right , Wreck.  It is a Deep South thing.  Alabama, Mississippi, South Georgia and South Carolina
more than else where.
I think I see it in Arkansas as well. I think it is more along the lines of being a "Southern Gentleman". I am not trying to offend -- it is just the way many are raised. Having traveled extensively all across this country -- you just kind of pick-up on these traits.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 01:43:24 PM
I think you are right , Wreck.  It is a Deep South thing.  Alabama, Mississippi, South Georgia and South Carolina
more than else where.
I think I see it in Arkansas as well. I think it is more along the lines of being a "Southern Gentleman". I am not trying to offend -- it is just the way many are raised. Having traveled extensively all across this country -- you just kind of pick-up on these traits.

I have several cousins that are very much like Dave......even my brother.  It is the way they are raised.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 01:52:13 PM


I will be the first to admit that I have no idea what Dave could be thinking by associating with the likes of Mark Purcell
and Julia Renfro. 
At one time I thought it was the old "keep your enemies closer" theory, but I gave up on that idea long ago.
I do think Dave is a weak man.  Maybe I should say he is not strong willed like Beth is.  There are many Southern men like Dave.
It is a trait found more in the South, I believe....a good ole boy who just goes with the flow.  I think that is how he ended up with Robin and Beth got full custody of the children.  He just doesn't like to make waves.  I do believe that Dave has enough character that he could not be bought.....at least where Natalee is concerned.
Spencer Bachus on the other hand could be bought for a shilling.

Magnolia

Unless you know Dave Holloway and … even then … you have no idea whether a betrayal on his part has a price.  IMO … logic dictates that Dave has not betrayed Natalee for the past three years by associating with a man who had despicably and openly bash him, his daughter and her mother and has upheld the suspects and their families …. without a price attached.

Dave Holloway maybe be Natalee's father but he is not a saint.  IMO … he lack integrity.  Think about it.  He betrayal Beth for a price … the woman who he had stood before God and promised to love and honor for the rest of his life .  Dave Holloway betrayed Matt and Natalee when he broke that promise to their mother.  Obviously … Robin was worth the betrayal.  Obviously ... Dave is not above betrayal.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 02:04:46 PM
Janet,
I do not know Dave Holloway nor have I ever even sent him an e-mail.

it is just my opinion that he would not sell Natalee (or her remains) to the highest Aruban bidder.
Maybe I am totally wrong.  I have no proof.  He did give her up for Robin.

I think Robin would make a deal with the Devil himself.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 02:09:44 PM
Speaking of being bought.

Here is yet one more who spouted off on behalf of Aruba - and it appears Mr Cohen had a vested interest all along.


http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21332
         
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 8 JANUARY 1997 under serial number 21371.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA  
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 101, NOORD
Legal form    COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name of the   COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA
company/foundation/association:   
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of   8 JANUARY 1997
incorporation/commencement:   
      
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS
 
COHEN, ALLAN STEVEN;
Residing in    9613 ELDWICK WAY , POTOMAC, MD 20854, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., CONNECTICUT on 9 AUGUST 1944
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    PRESIDENT
Effective    23 FEBRUARY 2004
 
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
REILLY, MICHAEL JOSEPH;
Residing in    8500 COSTA VERDE DRIVE MYRTLE BEACH, 29572 SC, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., NEW YORK on 12 JANUARY 1947
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    VICE-PRESIDENT
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
KNOX, FRANK RIVIERE;
Residing in    1940 DUGAN DRIVE CHARLOTTE, NC 28270, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., TENNESSEE on 30 JUNE 1950
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    SECRETARY/TREASURER
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
 
TO PROMOTE THE MATERIAL INTERESTS OF ITS MEMBERS BY PROVIDING THEM RESORT-ACCOMODATIONS: AS FAR AS THE A-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE A-MEMBER/ USAGE PERIOD IN ARUBA OR ELSEWHERE AND BY PROVIDING COMMERCIAL WORKING-SPACES AS FAR AS THE B-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE B-MEMBER/USAGE PERIOD.
TO PROMOTE THIS PURPOSE THE ASSOCIATION CAN ON ITS OWN DISCRETION TAKE THE NECESSARY RESPECTED LEGAL STRIDES, INCLUDING TO ACQUIRE PRACTICAL THANWELL PERSONAL RIGHTS, SUCH IN REFERENCE TO THE USAGE OF UNITS AND RECREATION- AND OTHER JOINT FACILITIES OF THE RESORT, WHICH IS CREATED BY THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPED AND BUILT.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 02:12:18 PM
Magnolia

Dave did not lay down and play dead in regards to the the custody of Matt and Natalee ... he did make waves.  However ... it was Beth who the court sided with.

I have posted quote after quote after quote from CORRUPTION IN PARADISE that show that Dave Holloway has a mind of his own and ... prior to the Mark Purcell connection travelled his how path to pursue justice when he realized that the powers that be in Aruba were preventing justice form prevailing.

Janet

++++

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 3:
  Natalee was three years old and Matt was one when we left Memphis and moved the family to Clinton, Mississippi.  Dave and I divorced shortly thereafter.  It was a long arduous battle: but I was finally awarded sole custody of both children.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 25, 2009, 02:27:10 PM
Anyone want to write to Detective Roy Tromp asking him WHY he failed to follow up on what he saw as evidence against J2K and Paulus during his investigation?  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=27741


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 02:29:20 PM
Dave has a mind of his own.  He is not a wuss.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:
  Incredibly, the police did not feel there was a need to search for Natalee. …  There I was in Aruba, a strange place, searching for my little girl, not knowing where she was, how she was, or what had happened to her.  As I reflected on what the police had told me, I realized that they were trying to use the most innocent details to creat a motive for Natalee to have voluntarily disappeared ….

Natalee had disappeared, leaving every one of her possessions, including her passport, behind in a hotel room.  Their hypothesis simply does not make sense …

From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 25, 2009, 02:32:31 PM
Anyone want to write to Detective Roy Tromp asking him WHY he failed to follow up on what he saw as evidence against J2K and Paulus during his investigation?  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=27741

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: Runnin around the field catchin flies! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 02:39:44 PM
Anyone want to write to Detective Roy Tromp asking him WHY he failed to follow up on what he saw as evidence against J2K and Paulus during his investigation?  ::MonkeyCool::

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=27741


Aug 5, 2005 5:34 pm US/Eastern Judge Wants Aruba Witness In Court
Testimony Could Show Suspect's Statements Are Contradictory


ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CBS) ―  A judge has asked for sworn testimony from a man who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway driving with two friends on the night the U.S. teenager was last seen in public, the lead investigator in the case said Friday.

Authorities believe the testimony will support allegations that the suspect, Joran van der Sloot, has given contradictory statements about Holloway's disappearance two months ago, said Lt. Roy Tromp.

"The judge wants to hear his statement, take it under oath. Then the prosecution can use it," Tromp told The Associated Press.

Separately, a judge was expected to rule Friday on a petition by the defense to prohibit Aruban authorities from sharing information with the FBI, which gained access to material about the case at the urging of the island's prime minister.

It was not known when the potential witness, whose name has not been disclosed, would appear before the judge. The hearing would not be open to the public.

The investigator said the man told police that he saw van der Sloot, who is in police custody, driving near a pond by the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30, and that at the time he was with two Surinamese brothers who were detained and later released.

The account is significant because van der Sloot told authorities that he was already at home by 2:30 a.m. and that he had left the missing teen, unharmed, at a beach near the Marriott.

Based on the witness account, police partially drained the pond but found no evidence.

Another alleged witness, who claimed he saw men dumping a woman's body at a landfill on the Dutch Caribbean island, will not testify because authorities do not believe him.

"We've checked it out a few times and don't think the account is credible," Tromp said.

Holloway was last seen leaving a nightclub with van der Sloot and the two brothers on the final night of a high school graduation trip with 124 classmates to Aruba. Authorities and volunteers have made extensive searches of the island but found no trace of the missing teen.

CBS News Correspondent Mike Kirsch reports that Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, remains steadfast in her belief that suspect Joran van der Sloot and his two friends, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, know more than they're telling about the disappearance of her daughter.

"I don't know if they killed her. I don't know if they traded her. I don't know. I don't have any idea," she told Kirsch.

Although, it's been widely established that Natalee willingly left the nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers, Kirsch reports that Twitty now says she thinks her daughter was tricked.

Tromp said investigators believe van der Sloot, who turns 18 on Saturday, is the prime suspect and that he had some assistance from his father, Paul, an apprentice judge on the island.

"We believe something went wrong with the girl, and the first person you are going to call is your daddy," said Tromp. "In this case, daddy would know exactly what to do."

Tromp, who declined to provide details about exactly what investigators believe happened to Holloway, said that Paul van der Sloot has also changed his account the night Holloway vanished.

"Why should you do that if you are telling the truth?" he said.

Paul van der Sloot, 52, was detained in June but released four days later. He has denied any involvement in the disappearance and has declined repeated requests for interviews.

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/Aruba.Natalee.Holloway.2.256295.html

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 02:51:37 PM
I have tested the waters on this forum and ... have come to the conclusion that any backup I post that Dave Holloway does have a will of his own ... does have a mind of his own ... will be disregarded.  He will forever be regarded as being under the control of a manipulative wife and has no choice but to follow Robin's chosen path with her in the lead ... a path that conforms with Mark Purcell's Aruban agenda.  Poor Dave.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 02:58:43 PM
I have tested the waters on this forum and ... have come to the conclusion that any backup I post that Dave Holloway does have a will of his own ... does have a mind of his own ... will be disregarded.  He will forever be regarded as being under the control of a manipulative wife and has no choice but to follow Robin's chosen path with her in the lead ... a path that conforms with Mark Purcell's Aruban agenda.  Poor Dave.

Janet
I respect your opinion..... we just come to different interpretations of the dynamics here. You see Dave as corrupt -- I see him as weak, maipulated and tired of fighting. -JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 02:59:48 PM
"manipulated"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 03:06:19 PM
The very dynamics of an arduous custody battle with Beth sets up animosity with her. Dave made it clear from the start that he did not approve of Beth letting Natalee go to Aruba in the first place. I don't think it took much prodding from Robin to fuel that animosity. If Mark Purcell was "praising dave" and ripping Beth, I could see Dave succombing to that propaganda.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 03:13:08 PM
I have tested the waters on this forum and ... have come to the conclusion that any backup I post that Dave Holloway does have a will of his own ... does have a mind of his own ... will be disregarded.  He will forever be regarded as being under the control of a manipulative wife and has no choice but to follow Robin's chosen path with her in the lead ... a path that conforms with Mark Purcell's Aruban agenda.  Poor Dave.

Janet
I respect your opinion..... we just come to different interpretations of the dynamics here. You see Dave as corrupt -- I see him as weak, maipulated and tired of fighting. -JMO

I have my reasons for seeing it different from you Wreck.

However ... either way ... Dave has to take personal responsibility for betraying his daughter in regards to his associations with both Mark Purcell and John Silvetti.  He has received and read the compilation of Mark's own words and Kyle's own words.

In over four years I have not given a pass to anybody for any reason who is betraying Natalee Holloway.  I have not given a pass to anybody for any reason who has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway.

Janet



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 03:28:43 PM


The very dynamics of an arduous custody battle with Beth sets up animosity with her. Dave made it clear from the start that he did not approve of Beth letting Natalee go to Aruba in the first place. I don't think it took much prodding from Robin to fuel that animosity. If Mark Purcell was "praising dave" and ripping Beth, I could see Dave succombing to that propaganda.

Praising Dave?

Not only did Mark Purcell despicably undermind Dave ... undermind Beth ... he mocked Natalee ... Dave's daughter.

I feel like I am in a twilight zone. Poor Dave Holloway is untouchable.  His every action of betrayal is justified.  No personal responsibility.

Janet

+++++++

MARK PURCELL

Doc Holladay PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:44 am

Dave made that email public to further bolster his book, remember, “Corruption in Paradise”. His other reason was to continue the hate campaign his ex started and he so whole-heartedly joined into.  He is nothing more than a neutered male version of Beth; I can’t stand any of them.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-21893.html&highlight=#21893


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am

Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm

For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to ... the families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps.


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I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
I am in no way "justifying" what Dave has done. I am in fact just pointing out why I think Dave has succumbed. I agree that this is undoubtedly undermining Natalee. I agree that it very disturbing and wrong. I just don't think Dave is "corrupt". I don't think he took a pay-off.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 03:56:29 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 04:13:03 PM
I am in no way "justifying" what Dave has done. I am in fact just pointing out why I think Dave has succumbed. I agree that this is undoubtedly undermining Natalee. I agree that it very disturbing and wrong. I just don't think Dave is "corrupt". I don't think he took a pay-off.

Wreck - I agree.  I do not doubt that Dave Holloway loves Natalee and would have done anything to get her back.  I don't think Dave is corrupt and I don't think anyone in the Holloway/Twitty family has taken any "pay offs".  I do believe that knowing WHO TO TRUST in Aruba has been hard for the Holloway/Twitty's just as it has been hard for others.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 04:14:54 PM
Janet - I cannot believe that Dave Holloway would knowingly undermine anything pertaining to justice for Natalee.  Not knowingly.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 25, 2009, 05:00:38 PM
Speaking of being bought.

Here is yet one more who spouted off on behalf of Aruba - and it appears Mr Cohen had a vested interest all along.


http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21332
         
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 8 JANUARY 1997 under serial number 21371.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA  
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 101, NOORD
Legal form    COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name of the   COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA
company/foundation/association:   
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of   8 JANUARY 1997
incorporation/commencement:   
      
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS
 
COHEN, ALLAN STEVEN;
Residing in    9613 ELDWICK WAY , POTOMAC, MD 20854, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., CONNECTICUT on 9 AUGUST 1944
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    PRESIDENT
Effective    23 FEBRUARY 2004
 
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
REILLY, MICHAEL JOSEPH;
Residing in    8500 COSTA VERDE DRIVE MYRTLE BEACH, 29572 SC, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., NEW YORK on 12 JANUARY 1947
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    VICE-PRESIDENT
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
KNOX, FRANK RIVIERE;
Residing in    1940 DUGAN DRIVE CHARLOTTE, NC 28270, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., TENNESSEE on 30 JUNE 1950
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    SECRETARY/TREASURER
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
 
TO PROMOTE THE MATERIAL INTERESTS OF ITS MEMBERS BY PROVIDING THEM RESORT-ACCOMODATIONS: AS FAR AS THE A-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE A-MEMBER/ USAGE PERIOD IN ARUBA OR ELSEWHERE AND BY PROVIDING COMMERCIAL WORKING-SPACES AS FAR AS THE B-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE B-MEMBER/USAGE PERIOD.
TO PROMOTE THIS PURPOSE THE ASSOCIATION CAN ON ITS OWN DISCRETION TAKE THE NECESSARY RESPECTED LEGAL STRIDES, INCLUDING TO ACQUIRE PRACTICAL THANWELL PERSONAL RIGHTS, SUCH IN REFERENCE TO THE USAGE OF UNITS AND RECREATION- AND OTHER JOINT FACILITIES OF THE RESORT, WHICH IS CREATED BY THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPED AND BUILT.


Are you sure this is the same Steve Cohen.  I remember researching his interests, etc.  There was a Steve Cohen, pornographer, that did not have the same likeness.  I don't recall any "Allan" linked to the marketing "Steve Cohen".   :smt102 :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 05:26:24 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61506.php

Google translation:

Patrick van der Eem caught with cocaine

August 25, 2009, 14:04 (GMT -04:00)

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Patrick van der Eem last year at the Radisson Hotel when he stayed on the island for his book overboard.

ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem, the undercover who are Joran van der Sloot confessions's itinerary, was last night around six fifty-five arrested for possession of drugs and the threat of violence.

Van der Eem was in his room at the Radisson hotel were arrested by the police. According to local media, Van der Eem them, among other hotel Riu, Westin and Occidental have stayed and he left without paying for hotels. According to the prosecution, the drugs he was carrying for personal use. Van der Eem is still in custody at the police station in North and it is investigated the case.

Van der Eem is known for his contribution to a broadcast of the television crime reporter Peter de Vries, on the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Furthermore, he has already been involved in a drug case. So he would scar on his left side of his face during his informatierol in a drug case since childhood. Addition, Van der Eem in December last year, shortly after reporting arrested for abusing his girlfriend


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 05:31:52 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61505.php

Google translation:

Briesen, "despite opposition from Port Tender"

August 25, 2009, 14:00 (GMT -04:00)

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Minister Edison Briesen, with behind the plans for the new port in Barcadera.

ORANGE CITY - Minister of Tourism and Transportation Edison Briesen (MEP) took a lot out yesterday morning for what he called friends and family from Astec their efforts to move the container port to Barcadera stop. "At the local level was a tough campaign against this project," says breeze.

Thus stevedoring company Astec to Aruba Ports Authority (APA) sent a letter in which she demanded that no one but them should be discussed in terms of concessions in the new container port. They would also have sent letters with the same content to interested groups in Spain and other countries. Briesen: "Even the government would have no right to sit at the table interested" He also mentioned efforts by other parties, including the return of RED at the Public Prosecutor (OM) of alleged corruption by Tempest and premier Oduber. AVP, Partido Democracia Real and MPA went so far as to letters to the Senate and House and the governor. According Briesen they had jumped into the discussion with the purpose political gain from the situation to get.

Yrausquin

The press were all kinds of items with charges to breeze. Thus he would be bound to the Spanish consortium Alatec, money under the table and would have received APA losing its authority as soon as the port is ready. Atia Employer Organization, Chamber of Commerce and Winkeliersvereniging Mambo - according Briesen "the Friends & Family of Astec" - would a "threatening letter" sent. In it they had expressed concern about developments in and around the port area and the impact on the cruise tourism and the economy of the island. Also a bailiff came along at a meeting of the Board of APA with a letter from Atia by all council members should be read. In that letter, Atia, was chaired by Juan David Yrausquin now on the list of opposition ASF state, APA reports about internal protection. Reports during the session of the tribunal last week were again presented by Astec. According to Atia port project would be disastrous for APA. Should APA perish what Atia in the letter an adventure called Atia takes over the entire Supervisory Board responsible for maladministration and unlawful act.

Also, a letter sent to Yrausquin Trusam, developer of the five-star hotel on Bushiri is built. The letter had stated that although the country Aruba is the largest shareholder of APA, it has no right to speak on behalf of APA. "So neither the government nor the prime minister nor the minister may talk about APA. No, only Juan David and AVP can do that! Hilarious, "says breeze. Commitments on behalf of the government to interested parties would not be binding, according to this letter. AVP-leader Mike Eman would also have sent letters to Spain. In those letters would have said about a sale of the port and that the sales would not enjoy widespread support. Briesen: "At no time was discussed sale of the port. And our party has a majority of eleven in parliament, "It would have withheld information, which is carrying out the duties of the opposition would have impeded. "Each year during the budget discussions, all plans on the table. It apparently gives them an additional internal documents in their mailbox. They even had the audacity to take this internal documents to the court to go, "said Minister of Tourism and Transport.


Not valid

The ruling of the Court of Arbitration of the Arbitration Institute of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba rejected in favor of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) over stevedoring company Astec. The arbitration containing the President of the Arnhem Court and the President and Vice President of the Arnhem Court decided that the final last year by APA denunciations of the concession agreement by January 1, 2010 Astec not valid. Astec remains the exclusive stevedoring from port to the award process for a new operator has completed the relocation of the port is completed, and the new operator in Barcadera actually able to stevedoring operations there to start. Then keep the exclusive stevedoring contract at Astec.

Land Aruba is now a public tender seeking an operator for the new container port. Astec financial claims by the arbitration dismissed. The company believed to have rights to compensation through wrongful breach of contract, the assertion that it was not in good faith would have been covered and they should be paid for their exclusive right. "This contract from 1983 is outdated," said Minister Briesen yesterday. A response Astec Director Marinus Clean the ruling of the arbitration to materialize. The director is on vacation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 05:36:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61504.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Police parades risky approach

August 25, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP), the 'risk' that the application of both his party as a parade of ASF to be held on September 20 have been honored by the police.

That made this yesterday during the press conference of Minister of Tourism and Transportation Edison Briesen. "We had our parade already applied for and been promised. MEP can we even be our own people in check, but if something goes wrong then it is on the shoulders of the person who issued the license, "the party leader. Oduber had also previously criticized the actions of the police during the parade on August 2 MEP. There would then be deployed enough officers to the parade to proceed smoothly. He pulled the power of temporary chief Peter de Witte in order to provide permits for political activities. Just five days later turned Oduber that decision again. The police will not the final decision on the issuance of licenses. The Corps and advises the Minister of General Affairs, Prime Minister Oduber So, is the one who must ultimately approve.

The Prime Minister had yesterday also know as yet not wanting to address the challenge of opposition AVP to a debate going on BBO with AVP-leader Mike Eman. "ASF is long overdue to submit a draft bill. This is a political game to them and I can not seriously insist. "The prime minister will challenge the Green Party to still turn out a draft legislative proposal indicating that the BBO by November 2009 will be abolished. "Same day that I mentioned in the Advisory Board and may run its course."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 05:38:38 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61506.php

Google translation:

Patrick van der Eem caught with cocaine

August 25, 2009, 14:04 (GMT -04:00)

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Patrick van der Eem last year at the Radisson Hotel when he stayed on the island for his book overboard.

ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem, the undercover who are Joran van der Sloot confessions's itinerary, was last night around six fifty-five arrested for possession of drugs and the threat of violence.

Van der Eem was in his room at the Radisson hotel were arrested by the police. According to local media, Van der Eem them, among other hotel Riu, Westin and Occidental have stayed and he left without paying for hotels. According to the prosecution, the drugs he was carrying for personal use. Van der Eem is still in custody at the police station in North and it is investigated the case.

Van der Eem is known for his contribution to a broadcast of the television crime reporter Peter de Vries, on the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway in Aruba.

Furthermore, he has already been involved in a drug case. So he would scar on his left side of his face during his informatierol in a drug case since childhood. Addition, Van der Eem in December last year, shortly after reporting arrested for abusing his girlfriend

Since when was it illegal to be in possession of drugs in Aruba?  OR is it just who you happen to be and whether you belong to their exclusive elite club?  They make me sick to my stomach    (I HATE THEM ALL).

Good afternoon everyone.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 05:42:15 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll:: Let's see how long it takes for them to be stolen.   ::MonkeyDevil::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61501.php

ARUBA

New bicycles for police

August 25, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hospitality & Security Foundation yesterday donated four bicycles to the police. The fund of the tourism organization AHATA decided to donate the mobility of agents patrolling the busy tourist area to improve. Both sides also hope the visibility of the police in the regions. Two bicycles were given to the police and the Beach Team Visiblity donated. The other two at the police station in Noord.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 05:43:06 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61499.php

ARUBA

New funeral

August 25, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/25-aruba-opening-de-olijfbo.gif)

Director Eugene Maduro of the new funeral The Olive Tree.


SAN NICOLAS - The Olive Tree, that is what the new undertaker who last Sunday opened. It went to a 'soft opening', later the new company grand opening.

Director Eugene Maduro advises called Olive Tree chosen because this tree a long time to grow into a fruit bearing tree. He also sees similarities to his own life. "I grew up, studied and worked to gain experience. And I finally start my own business. An olive tree grows even on arid and barren land and I therefore see the comparison right now during these economic hard times still start a new business start. Just as the olive tree eventually bear fruit, so I also hope that our funeral home should do their bit to help the families of the deceased person and be their support may be. "

The Olive Tree is on the Bernhardstraat 134 to 136 in San Nicolas.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 25, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
Good afternoon Blue Moon and all Monkeys.

Is it known for a fact that Dave is still aligned with Purcell etc. ?

Could it be that Dave's price/incentive was to find his dear daughter?

 




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 05:55:48 PM
I am in no way "justifying" what Dave has done. I am in fact just pointing out why I think Dave has succumbed. I agree that this is undoubtedly undermining Natalee. I agree that it very disturbing and wrong. I just don't think Dave is "corrupt". I don't think he took a pay-off.

Wreck - I agree.  I do not doubt that Dave Holloway loves Natalee and would have done anything to get her back.  I don't think Dave is corrupt and I don't think anyone in the Holloway/Twitty family has taken any "pay offs".  I do believe that knowing WHO TO TRUST in Aruba has been hard for the Holloway/Twitty's just as it has been hard for others.

Thanks Klaas. You said exactly how I feel and think. I know in my gut that Dave's commitment to Natalee; her memory and desire for justice, is genuine and intact. He is mortal, and therefore can be subject to influence and misjudgement, but in my strong opinion, his intentions and purpose have all been above board.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 06:15:33 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 06:19:50 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11396/5/

Papiamentu translation:

grand premier of lacle y trappenberg at tele aruba


(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/Augustus/aug24/lacltrap.jpg)

monday, 24 august 2009 - 18:52

today evening will is the grand premiere of the declaration of policy new at tele aruba “lacle & trappenberg”. topico in the talkshow here will bay is “futuro of bbo”, cual is one topico much anticipa. then sintoniza telearuba today evening for 10:10pm.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 06:21:07 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.









Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 06:21:51 PM
Good afternoon Blue Moon and all Monkeys.

Is it known for a fact that Dave is still aligned with Purcell etc. ?

Could it be that Dave's price/incentive was to find his dear daughter?

 

Can

Monkeys and Natalee's Freebirds knew from the getgo that Robin and Dave joining forces with enemy and expecting a positive outcome was not going to happen.  Three years later ... Robin and Dave are still expecting that positive outcome to happen compliments of Mark Purcell?  I don't think so.  Inquiring mind want to know what positive outcome does Natalee's stepmother and father expect out of this long term relationship?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 06:32:39 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.



Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?

Magnolia ... if I produced a "cancelled cheque" this minute  ... you and others on this forum have already concluded that it would have been all Robin's doing and ... poor Dave was manipulated into going along or his marriage and family would be at risk.  It is a foregone conclusion that poor Dave gets a pass.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 06:42:18 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.



Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?

Magnolia ... if I produced a "cancelled cheque" this minute  ... you and others on this forum have already concluded that it would have been all Robin's doing and ... poor Dave was manipulated into going along or his marriage and family would be at risk.  It is a foregone conclusion that poor Dave gets a pass.

Janet

::MonkeyNoNo::

That's not fair Janet.  Not fair at all. 

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.



Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?

Magnolia ... if I produced a "cancelled cheque" this minute  ... you and others on this forum have already concluded that it would have been all Robin's doing and ... poor Dave was manipulated into going along or his marriage and family would be at risk.  It is a foregone conclusion that poor Dave gets a pass.

Janet

With all due respect, Janet, you do not know that ....you are surmizing.
I do not understand what you are trying to prove with Dave.  If you told me who paid him and for what, I might get it a little more.
You asked what was thought regarding Dave Holloway and I responded what I thought.  I think he is a weak man who is tired.
Do you think he is a crook or a turncoat? 
Tell us what he has done exactly.
His book was written by Larry Garrison, so the quotes there are not exactly Dave's.
I just don't know where you are going with this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 06:44:31 PM
Janet? It really bothers me that we don't see this the same way. I have tremendous respect for you and your opinions. Yours are always well researched and always well documented. Additionally, I've come to know you're a smart cookie!  ::MonkeyWink::

For me, it goes back prior to Purcell, to the days, weeks, and months that followed Natalee's disappearance. For me, it's staked in the grounds of this forum where we all missed nothing and subconscientiously made assessments about Beth and Dave as we watched their struggle. I think their pain, and our ability to relate to it is what drove this forum. Other sites bashed the family, but no one here ever attempted that for long. Don't get me wrong; I know your intent is not to bash anyone, but to convey, with passion, your understandings.

I just can't color Dave with the same paintbrush of corruption that is so prevalent in this case. I saw the pain and the heartbreak on his face. He is Natalee's Father, and for the most part, this forum has never spent much effort dissecting the past relationships between he and Beth. They were able to put anything aside in a coordinated effort for Natalee, and we've always honored that. It just seemed to be the high road and one of the reasons SM was where I wanted to be.

If, at this juncture, we find ourselves at a place where Dave's actions or inactions seem contrary to resolution in this case, I honestly believe we can pursue that resolution and still maintain the high road. Does that make sense? I can discuss what did or did not happen, but I cringe when it's characterized.

JMO!
HUGS, Janet!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 06:55:33 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.



Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?

Magnolia ... if I produced a "cancelled cheque" this minute  ... you and others on this forum have already concluded that it would have been all Robin's doing and ... poor Dave was manipulated into going along or his marriage and family would be at risk.  It is a foregone conclusion that poor Dave gets a pass.

Janet

::MonkeyNoNo::

That's not fair Janet.  Not fair at all. 

JMO

texasmom ... that is completely fair because it is the truth.

Do you want me to post every submission that has implied that the Mark Purcell relationship with the Holloways has everything to do with Robin Holloway.

Read Magnolia's most recent post in regards to why poor Dave has no choice but to toe the line with Robin.  His marriage could  at risk.  His relationship with his girl jeopardized.

texasmom ... I have submitted backup after backup to support my position on my speculations.  There is no backup posted that supports the position that Robin Holloway is manipulative.  There is no backup to support the position that Dave Holloway is being forced into a relationship with the enemy by his wife.  It is all speculation without support.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 06:59:11 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11396/5/

Papiamentu translation:

grand premier of lacle y trappenberg at tele aruba


(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/Augustus/aug24/lacltrap.jpg)

monday, 24 august 2009 - 18:52

today evening will is the grand premiere of the declaration of policy new at tele aruba “lacle & trappenberg”. topico in the talkshow here will bay is “futuro of bbo”, cual is one topico much anticipa. then sintoniza telearuba today evening for 10:10pm.

Tito has filled out a bit.   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 07:00:36 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11396/5/

Papiamentu translation:

grand premier of lacle y trappenberg at tele aruba


(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/Augustus/aug24/lacltrap.jpg)

monday, 24 august 2009 - 18:52

today evening will is the grand premiere of the declaration of policy new at tele aruba “lacle & trappenberg”. topico in the talkshow here will bay is “futuro of bbo”, cual is one topico much anticipa. then sintoniza telearuba today evening for 10:10pm.

Tito has filled out a bit.   ::MonkeyTongue::

That is a kind way to put it 2NJ. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 07:03:36 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 07:10:03 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blonde on August 25, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11396/5/

Papiamentu translation:

grand premier of lacle y trappenberg at tele aruba


(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/2009/Augustus/aug24/lacltrap.jpg)

monday, 24 august 2009 - 18:52

today evening will is the grand premiere of the declaration of policy new at tele aruba “lacle & trappenberg”. topico in the talkshow here will bay is “futuro of bbo”, cual is one topico much anticipa. then sintoniza telearuba today evening for 10:10pm.
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 07:19:02 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet
Maybe the focus is on Robin because it was she who was posting on the internet....he's never been here or any other forum that I know of, to explain or defend himself.  I know we all questioned when Patriot posted of his dubious choices in Facebook friends.....wish Patriot would ask him...why?

Please don't think that you haven't made your points and they are all valid.  I just can't embrace them....but that doesn't mean I think you are wrong, either.  I'll stay on my fence for now. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 07:28:01 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO

Magnolia ... "maybe" is speculation.  What do you base that speculation on?

You and I are on the same page as far as Robin's associations but ... when all is said and done those associations became Dave's associations.  Fact.

The speculation that Robin is manipulative and forced those associations on Dave does not have a foundation ... as far as I know.

All backup I have produced implies that prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... Dave and Robin were a team and ... Dave had a free will when he authored his book.  Unless otherwise revealed ... I would assume Robin and Dave are still a team and ... Dave has a free will.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 07:28:43 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO

We were thinking along the same lines, but it took me longer to find the words, Magnolia.   It's harder to express since I wasn't there. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 07:32:07 PM
Janet,

Can we take a break from this topic?    I can tell you that there is no trophy to win, here, and I don't think it's solving Natalee's case.   jmho


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 07:32:33 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

... and maybe "peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters" is not Dave's motive at all to maintain his three year relationship with the enemy.

Where is there any indication that Robin is manipulative and controlling.  Where is there any indication that Dave does not act according to his own free will ?  Where is there any indication that Robin and Dave are not a team like most husbands and wife?

All indicationd prior to the Mark Purcell connection indicated that Robin and Dave were one in their quest to replace the Aruban investigative team.  All indications of their words in in interview in the talk show circuit were that they were one in their perception that a corrupt investigation was denying Natalee justice and Joran, Deepak and Satish knew the answers Robin and Dave were so desperate seeking?  All indication in Dave's words in CORRUPTION IN PARADISE imply that he had a free will in his challenging of the Aruban Law Enforcement and ... supporting the boycott.

Many on this forum have chosen to speculate that Robin is manipultive and ... poor Dave is forced to toe her line or else.  I choose to believe that Robin and Dave are a team and have mutual motives for maintaining an ongoing relationship with Mark Purcell ... a team as indicated in all of Robin's posts.

Janet


+++++++

Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!
 
Re: Setting the Record Straight « Reply #46 on: November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.



Well, what was the price?  Who paid it?  Have you seen the cancelled check?

Magnolia ... if I produced a "cancelled cheque" this minute  ... you and others on this forum have already concluded that it would have been all Robin's doing and ... poor Dave was manipulated into going along or his marriage and family would be at risk.  It is a foregone conclusion that poor Dave gets a pass.

Janet

::MonkeyNoNo::

That's not fair Janet.  Not fair at all. 

JMO

texasmom ... that is completely fair because it is the truth.

Do you want me to post every submission that has implied that the Mark Purcell relationship with the Holloways has everything to do with Robin Holloway.

Read Magnolia's most recent post in regards to why poor Dave has no choice but to toe the line with Robin.  His marriage could  at risk.  His relationship with his girl jeopardized.

texasmom ... I have submitted backup after backup to support my position on my speculations.  There is no backup posted that supports the position that Robin Holloway is manipulative.  There is no backup to support the position that Dave Holloway is being forced into a relationship with the enemy by his wife.  It is all speculation without support.

Janet



For you to proclaim what the conclusion of anyone here would be (as if it is already decided) IF you produced actual evidence of your speculations is not fair.   

AT ALL.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 25, 2009, 07:34:54 PM
Good afternoon Blue Moon and all Monkeys.

Is it known for a fact that Dave is still aligned with Purcell etc. ?

Could it be that Dave's price/incentive was to find his dear daughter?

 

Can

Monkeys and Natalee's Freebirds knew from the getgo that Robin and Dave joining forces with enemy and expecting a positive outcome was not going to happen.  Three years later ... Robin and Dave are still expecting that positive outcome to happen compliments of Mark Purcell?  I don't think so.  Inquiring mind want to know what positive outcome does Natalee's stepmother and father expect out of this long term relationship?

Janet
Janet

I don't know what Robin and Dave are thinking or expecting.

However it is my opinion that Dave began this association innocently and earnestly in the hope of finding Natalee. 

Where Dave stands on the matter now, I do not know.  But I imagine he is heart broken.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 25, 2009, 07:42:22 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 07:55:34 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO

Magnolia ... "maybe" is speculation.  What do you base that speculation on?

You and I are on the same page as far as Robin's associations but ... when all is said and done those associations became Dave's associations.  Fact.

The speculation that Robin is manipulative and forced those associations on Dave does not have a foundation ... as far as I know.

All backup I have produced implies that prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... Dave and Robin were a team and ... Dave had a free will when he authored his book.  Unless otherwise revealed ... I would assume Robin and Dave are still a team and ... Dave has a free will.

Janet
 

See, I never thought Dave and Robin were a team.  I thought Robin was baggage.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 07:58:57 PM

Good afternoon Blue Moon and all Monkeys.

Is it known for a fact that Dave is still aligned with Purcell etc. ?

Could it be that Dave's price/incentive was to find his dear daughter?

 

Can

Monkeys and Natalee's Freebirds knew from the getgo that Robin and Dave joining forces with enemy and expecting a positive outcome was not going to happen.  Three years later ... Robin and Dave are still expecting that positive outcome to happen compliments of Mark Purcell?  I don't think so.  Inquiring mind want to know what positive outcome does Natalee's stepmother and father expect out of this long term relationship?

Janet
Janet

I don't know what Robin and Dave are thinking or expecting.

However it is my opinion that Dave began this association innocently and earnestly in the hope of finding Natalee.

Where Dave stands on the matter now, I do not know.  But I imagine he is heart broken.



Can

That is not my opinion but ... I respect your opinion.  Backup supporting your opinion would have been appreciated.

I base my opinion that there were underlying motives regarding the relationship on the fact that Dave and Robin Holloway were aware from the getgo of the relationship that Mark Purcell was one with the Aruban powers that be who were preventing justice from prevailing fo Natalee.  Dave and Robin were  aware from the getgo of the relationship of Mark Purcell's despicable internet posts undermining MB students, Dave, Beth and Natalee.  Robin and Dave were aware from the getgo of Mark Purcell's internet posts upholding the van der sloot family ... the Kalpoe family ... the Aruban investigation and ... Julia Renfro.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 08:01:08 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO

Magnolia ... "maybe" is speculation.  What do you base that speculation on?

You and I are on the same page as far as Robin's associations but ... when all is said and done those associations became Dave's associations.  Fact.

The speculation that Robin is manipulative and forced those associations on Dave does not have a foundation ... as far as I know.

All backup I have produced implies that prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... Dave and Robin were a team and ... Dave had a free will when he authored his book.  Unless otherwise revealed ... I would assume Robin and Dave are still a team and ... Dave has a free will.

Janet
 

See, I never thought Dave and Robin were a team.  I thought Robin was baggage.

I shared why I believed that Dave and Robin were a team.  Magnolia ... could you please share why you believe they were not.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 08:11:02 PM
Hypothetical:

What IF Dave agreed to "end the boycott", associate with the enemy, agree to send Fred Golba to Aruba, etc. all for the promise of Aruba simply to return Natalee???
What IF it was the SM folks that foiled the plan (by exposing the hoax)??

Woud you still feel the same about Dave if this was his motive???

That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than accusing him of taking money.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 08:12:22 PM
If I were to betray my precious daughter ... logic dictates it would not be for nothing.  The price/incentive would have to be right.

Janet

Your daughter is alive and well, Janet.....Praise Goodness.  That makes the "price/incentive" different.

Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.

With all due respect Magnolia ... I consider this speculating without out a shred of backup.  I cannot comprehend why both Robin and Dave are not being held equally  responsible for their relationship with the enemy.  Why is the focus on Robin.

Janet

It is....that is why I said "maybe".
I think Robin has put herself out there by sucking up to Mark Purcell and Reality and Debbie openly on the boards.
She has put her words out for all to see and made herself a target.  I don't like the people she has chosen to associate with and I lump her in the same catagory.
She should have stayed in the kitchen and baked cookies.  IMO

Magnolia ... "maybe" is speculation.  What do you base that speculation on?

You and I are on the same page as far as Robin's associations but ... when all is said and done those associations became Dave's associations.  Fact.

The speculation that Robin is manipulative and forced those associations on Dave does not have a foundation ... as far as I know.

All backup I have produced implies that prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... Dave and Robin were a team and ... Dave had a free will when he authored his book.  Unless otherwise revealed ... I would assume Robin and Dave are still a team and ... Dave has a free will.

Janet
 

See, I never thought Dave and Robin were a team.  I thought Robin was baggage.

I shared why I believed that Dave and Robin were a team.  Magnolia ... could you please share why you believe they were not.

Thanks

Janet

It is just speculation....no back-up at all.  Just my observations.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 08:31:12 PM
Hypothetical:

What IF Dave agreed to "end the boycott", associate with the enemy, agree to send Fred Golba to Aruba, etc. all for the promise of Aruba simply to return Natalee???
What IF it was the SM folks that foiled the plan (by exposing the hoax)??

Woud you still feel the same about Dave if this was his motive???

That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than accusing him of taking money.

Wreck

To date ... I have never accused Dave and Robin of receiving benefits through their relationship with Mark Purcell.  I speculated based on the fact they had hooked up with the enemy ... knowing he was the enemy.  I could not comprehend how a positive outcome could come from a relationship with the enemy.  I speculated and I still speculate that Natalee's stephmother and father were being used by the enemy to give Aruba credibility.  After all ... if Dave Holloway has a relationship with the head of the ATA/AHATA ... that branch of the Aruban government must be seeking justice for Natalee Holloway.  If Dave and Robin Holloway do not support the boycott then ...

I disagree with your "what if".  Robin and Dave's relationship with the enemy began three years ago.  The flip flopping on the boycott issue occured one year later well before the "Hoax".

Janet

+++++


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 08:33:30 PM
OK Janet, I am tired and weak and I give.....Have it your way!  Dave and Robin are an evil team,
who have conspired with the enemy for their own personel gain.

Now what?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 08:35:01 PM
Hypothetical:

What IF Dave agreed to "end the boycott", associate with the enemy, agree to send Fred Golba to Aruba, etc. all for the promise of Aruba simply to return Natalee???
What IF it was the SM folks that foiled the plan (by exposing the hoax)??

Woud you still feel the same about Dave if this was his motive???

That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than accusing him of taking money.

Wreck

To date ... I have never accused Dave and Robin of receiving benefits through their relationship with Mark Purcell.  I speculated based on the fact they had hooked up with the enemy ... knowing he was the enemy.  I could not comprehend how a positive outcome could come from a relationship with the enemy.  I speculated and I still speculate that Natalee's stephmother and father were being used by the enemy to give Aruba credibility.  After all ... if Dave Holloway has a relationship with the head of the ATA/AHATA ... that branch of the Aruban government must be seeking justice for Natalee Holloway.  If Dave and Robin Holloway do not support the boycott then ...

I disagree with your "what if".  Robin and Dave's relationship with the enemy began three years ago.  The flip flopping on the boycott issue occured one year later well before the "Hoax".

Janet

+++++


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0

You see, that is the point here -- no matter what we provide as "back-up" -- we are all still just speculating. Until you can get in Dave's mind -- it is just an educated guess.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 08:55:35 PM
OK Janet, I am tired and weak and I give.....Have it your way!  Dave and Robin are an evil team,
who have conspired with the enemy for their own personel gain.

Now what?

Magnolia

I do not mind if you and many on this forum stick to the speculative position that Robin is a controlling and manipulative b---- who forces her will on poor Dave in regards to the Mark Purcell relationship.

However ... allow me to have my speculations ... speculations that imply Dave and Robin are a team in regards to their underlying motivation for their three year relationship with the enemy.

Janet



 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 25, 2009, 09:04:03 PM
I must have hit a nerve last night, now if I could figure out what one it was. This is what was posted on my Twitter page today.

lalasmomHey Suzy! Do you not want to talk tonight? Looking for SuzyQ.
about 1 hour ago from web   
 

lalasmomYoo hoo! SuzyQ, I am looking for you...are you there?about 2 hours ago from web
   

lalasmomOh Suzy where are you?about 2 hours ago from web


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:07:58 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 09:09:37 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Where is Mrs Red?

I do not believe she has posted for ages.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:10:53 PM
I must have hit a nerve last night, now if I could figure out what one it was. This is what was posted on my Twitter page today.

lalasmomHey Suzy! Do you not want to talk tonight? Looking for SuzyQ.
about 1 hour ago from web   
 

lalasmomYoo hoo! SuzyQ, I am looking for you...are you there?about 2 hours ago from web
   

lalasmomOh Suzy where are you?about 2 hours ago from web


SuzieQ, you're very popular  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:15:23 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Red is very busy with his real work.  He posts on the front page of SM, the Missing & Exploited and does alot behind the sceens in various cases.  The Natalee Holloway case has had to take a back seat to cases like Haleigh Cummings, Lindsey Baum and other cases where there is still an outside chance the MP will be found alive.  Even so, Red doesn't do alot of posting in the forum, he just doesn't have the time. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:17:22 PM
OK Janet, I am tired and weak and I give.....Have it your way!  Dave and Robin are an evil team,
who have conspired with the enemy for their own personel gain.

Now what?

Magnolia

I do not mind if you and many on this forum stick to the speculative position that Robin is a controlling and manipulative b---- who forces her will on poor Dave in regards to the Mark Purcell relationship.

However ... allow me to have my speculations ... speculations that imply Dave and Robin are a team in regards to their underlying motivation for their three year relationship with the enemy.
Janet

Keep in mind that Lalasmom emailed Dave begging him to listen to Capslockwizard, then Dave started communicating with Capslockwizard. He may have done that to rule out any and every tip. I know more then once I was brought in to check into tips that Dave Holloway received and made sure he knew the hoax's that were being given to him.

From: daveholloway@xxxx
To: capslockwizard@hotxxxx
Subject: RE: Nathalee possible buried place
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 21:53:34 +0000


As far as the Pond Hoax, Dave was NOT given the pond scan photos to my knowledge. I sat and watched as everyone when Fred Goldba and his dog Rhino arrived in Aruba for the pond search. I watched because I knew what the other 'Freebirds' knew, we were in possession of the pond scan that never revealed any human remains or evidence in that pond. I waited and watched until I was given the go-ahead to post the pond scan photos.

Dave Holloway is a former navy seal. I think the man is suppose to know his nuts and bolts.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:20:21 PM
OK Janet, I am tired and weak and I give.....Have it your way!  Dave and Robin are an evil team,
who have conspired with the enemy for their own personel gain.
Now what?

Take it easy Miss Magnolia. It takes time to recover from that surgery. Each week you'll feel stronger and stronger, but
take your time.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:20:40 PM
Also, SuzieQ, wasn't it you that brought forward AG's twitter account and noticed her friends?  I believe BTgirl and Lala's were both friends of AG, so maybe that's why the interrest?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 09:21:25 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Red is very busy with his real work.  He posts on the front page of SM, the Missing & Exploited and does alot behind the sceens in various cases.  The Natalee Holloway case has had to take a back seat to cases like Haleigh Cummings, Lindsey Baum and other cases where there is still an outside chance the MP will be found alive.  Even so, Red doesn't do alot of posting in the forum, he just doesn't have the time. 

Well, tel him we miss him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:21:42 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Red is very busy with his real work.  He posts on the front page of SM, the Missing & Exploited and does alot behind the sceens in various cases.  The Natalee Holloway case has had to take a back seat to cases like Haleigh Cummings, Lindsey Baum and other cases where there is still an outside chance the MP will be found alive.  Even so, Red doesn't do alot of posting in the forum, he just doesn't have the time. 
I realize that -- but it still concerns me. Sometimes I think it is because he knows things are brewing and he "can't" talk about it. Other times I think it is because NOTHING is happening behind the scenes. I am concerned about TES canceling the "fundraiser" (the one Beth was supposed to be at) the day of the benefit. I wish that Red would simply update us every once in awhile - that is all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:22:19 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

I can testify that is the truth. I know for a fact that they were given the information by other sources



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
I sure hope Robots returns again!!!  No one (with the exception of Texasmom and Mags) will discuss the absence of Red in the Natalee forum?!?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Red is very busy with his real work.  He posts on the front page of SM, the Missing & Exploited and does alot behind the sceens in various cases.  The Natalee Holloway case has had to take a back seat to cases like Haleigh Cummings, Lindsey Baum and other cases where there is still an outside chance the MP will be found alive.  Even so, Red doesn't do alot of posting in the forum, he just doesn't have the time. 

Well, tel him we miss him.

I will Magnolia and I'll try and get him to stop by the NH thread as time allows. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 09:23:52 PM
OK Janet, I am tired and weak and I give.....Have it your way!  Dave and Robin are an evil team,
who have conspired with the enemy for their own personel gain.
Now what?

Take it easy Miss Magnolia. It takes time to recover from that surgery. Each week you'll feel stronger and stronger, but
take your time.

Thank you....you wonderful frog! ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:24:27 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

I can testify to the fact that Robin replied she "did not believe it"
(from my sources. I never cared what Reality or Purcell said/posted. I was busy with other issues, but there were a number of women and men who did know about them and informed Beth and Robin.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
I would be willing to bet that Robin made the reply from Dave's e-mail and Dave never saw it.

I think she is selective in what she allows him to see.

That could be truth, I wouldn't know. BUT I can testify to the fact that I know Dave Holloway replied to me and received the information about the trap/cage.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:27:12 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

I can testify to the fact that Robin replied she "did not believe it"
(from my sources. I never cared what Reality or Purcell said/posted. I was busy with other issues, but there were a number of women and men who did know about them and informed Beth and Robin.)
Kermit,
I don't know how far you are caught up -- but what do you think about Dave's behavior?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:28:52 PM
We all know that Aruba is unwilling to prosecute or possibly return anything of Natalee.  They wouldn't be able to buy me with any amount of money.  I could never live with myself if I agreed to terms like this.  I rather be poor and live with a clear conscience.

....because you have integrity and honor. Many American's and Aruban's living there do not


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:34:26 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

I can testify to the fact that Robin replied she "did not believe it"
(from my sources. I never cared what Reality or Purcell said/posted. I was busy with other issues, but there were a number of women and men who did know about them and informed Beth and Robin.)
Kermit,
I don't know how far you are caught up -- but what do you think about Dave's behavior?


I'm not caught up & I am not sure what the disagreements are. I can only attest to what I know personally. I have heard things about the couple, but I will not attest to anything that is hearsay.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 09:35:30 PM
I am sitting this one out as I don't have much to add.  I respect each and every persons opinion here.  All I will say is I will never believe Dave had anything but his great desire to recover his baby's body and bring her home.  That much I know.  As for Robin, I cannot say much about her.  I have an email from Robin and she is (to me) a BITCH.  Sorry.  But she is not a nice woman.  I did nothing but she called me out for it.  I lost ALL respect for her at that moment.  I can picture her being vindictive and after so long and no Natalee I can see her wanting her family life back to normal.  Let's face it, most marriages fall apart after the lose of a child (even if it isn't your flesh and blood).  Just look at Beth and Jug.  Robin had to fight to keep Dave.  He has two little girls who need his attention.  But never would I believe he would brush Natalee aside.  His desire/hope was to bring her home.  He will probably never be able to.  It is going on 5 years.  Chances are slim she will ever be back home to rest.  But I believe Dave would go to the ends of the earth to find her and bring her home.  Unfortunately, evil exists and it exists BIG time on Aruba and certain players in all this will take complete advantage of Dave knowing he would do anything for Natalee.  All the while what do they do?  They sit and laugh and degrade Natalee and her mother.  AND they make a complete fool of Dave. JMO 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:36:02 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" "compilation"of Mark Purcell's posts?

I think that she sent them each a compilation to their respective e-mail address.  She has stated that previously,
I believe.  Robin sent a short reply.  Dave did not.
I had not heard that! What did Robin reply???

I can testify to the fact that Robin replied she "did not believe it"
(from my sources. I never cared what Reality or Purcell said/posted. I was busy with other issues, but there were a number of women and men who did know about them and informed Beth and Robin.)
Kermit,
I don't know how far you are caught up -- but what do you think about Dave's behavior?


I'm not caught up & I am not sure what the disagreements are. I can only attest to what I know personally. I have heard things about the couple, but I will not attest to anything that is hearsay.


After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 09:39:47 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

Wreck

Immediately following Robin Holloway's enfamous post to BFN .... I sent a compilation of Reality, Purcell and Ramm's past posts ... past posts that reflected an Aruban agenda ... to both Robin and Dave care of their respective email addresses.  I felt certain that Natalee's stepmother and father were being deceived and they did not have a clue.

I received a response from Robin.  She was very polite.  She articulated her words very well.  Robin implied that dwelling on the negative was not going to bring about justice for Natalee.  Not exactly her words but ... same implication.  I was so frustrated.  I could not comprehend her response.  If I thought for one minute I was going to earn some Brownie badges with Natalee's family ... I was soooo wrong.

Wreck ... that was three years ago.  There is no way that a stepmother and father who embarked on a mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ... there is no way that a father would authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... could be deceived.  There is something more ... so much more behind the flip flop.

Dave is not weak but if he was ... that is no defense ... no excuse..  For crying out loud ... justice for his precious daughter is where it is at.  He should be willing to fight the demons of H--- for the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... not bow to the enemy who only objective is preventing justice from prevailing.

IMO

Janet
 

BUMPED



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:42:38 PM
Quote
After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::

What do I think of Dave's behavior? Regarding what?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 25, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
Also, SuzieQ, wasn't it you that brought forward AG's twitter account and noticed her friends?  I believe BTgirl and Lala's were both friends of AG, so maybe that's why the interrest?


It was, I just wonder what has Lala's panties in a bunch? It surely wasn't because I posted Arubagirl's Twitter page. She even has her blog site posted on her page, so I would think she would want followers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:45:38 PM
Janet,
How do you KNOW that Dave and Robin have received a "compliation" of Mark Purcell's posts?

Wreck

Immediately following Robin Holloway's enfamous post to BFN .... I sent a compilation of Reality, Purcell and Ramm's past posts ... past posts that reflected an Aruban agenda ... to both Robin and Dave care of their respective email addresses.  I felt certain that Natalee's stepmother and father were being deceived and they did not have a clue.

I received a response from Robin.  She was very polite.  She articulated her words very well.  Robin implied that dwelling on the negative was not going to bring about justice for Natalee.  Not exactly her words but ... same implication.  I was so frustrated.  I could not comprehend her response.  If I thought for one minute I was going to earn some Brownie badges with Natalee's family ... I was soooo wrong.

Wreck ... that was three years ago.  There is no way that a stepmother and father who embarked on a mission to replace the Aruban investigative team ... there is no way that a father would authored a book entitled CORRUPTION IN PARADISE ... could be deceived.  There is something more ... so much more behind the flip flop.

Dave is not weak but if he was ... that is no defense ... no excuse..  For crying out loud ... justice for his precious daughter is where it is at.  He should be willing to fight the demons of H--- for the truth encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 ... not bow to the enemy who only objective is preventing justice from prevailing.

IMO

Janet
 

BUMPED


I have to admit Janet, that I forgot about Dave being an ex-Navy Seal. It kind of shoots my "Southern Gentleman" theory out the window. It makes his behavior all the more puzzeling.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:47:29 PM
Quote
After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::

What do I think of Dave's behavior? Regarding what?


Janet is contending that Dave and Robin are one in heart about trusting Mark Purcell and that Dave has "sold out" Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 09:50:46 PM
I am sitting this one out as I don't have much to add.  I respect each and every persons opinion here.  All I will say is I will never believe Dave had anything but his great desire to recover his baby's body and bring her home.  That much I know.  As for Robin, I cannot say much about her.  I have an email from Robin and she is (to me) a BITCH.  Sorry.  But she is not a nice woman.  I did nothing but she called me out for it.  I lost ALL respect for her at that moment.  I can picture her being vindictive and after so long and no Natalee I can see her wanting her family life back to normal.  Let's face it, most marriages fall apart after the lose of a child (even if it isn't your flesh and blood).  Just look at Beth and Jug.  Robin had to fight to keep Dave.  He has two little girls who need his attention.  But never would I believe he would brush Natalee aside.  His desire/hope was to bring her home.  He will probably never be able to.  It is going on 5 years.  Chances are slim she will ever be back home to rest.  But I believe Dave would go to the ends of the earth to find her and bring her home.  Unfortunately, evil exists and it exists BIG time on Aruba and certain players in all this will take complete advantage of Dave knowing he would do anything for Natalee.  All the while what do they do?  They sit and laugh and degrade Natalee and her mother.  AND they make a complete fool of Dave. JMO 

I agree with all of the above.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:51:52 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 25, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



Is Bamalady Lalas?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 09:58:10 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 09:59:36 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.
Yeah, I missed the context here as well!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 09:59:47 PM
Quote
After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::

What do I think of Dave's behavior? Regarding what?


Janet is contending that Dave and Robin are one in heart about trusting Mark Purcell and that Dave has "sold out" Natalee.

Well I can see how Janet would feel that way. It's not all black and white though.
As I said, I can only testify to what I know as fact. Dave has had people search out each tip he is given.
Mark Purcell told them that Natalee is still alive. So, as parents they cling to that hope I would venture to guess.
Does Dave do things right all the time? Not in my personal opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:00:39 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



They are talking about the Aru-bay videos.

Bamalady told Robin Holloway there is a 39th Aru-bay video in which Natalee is seen on it.



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.
Yeah, I missed the context here as well!  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on August 25, 2009, 10:02:04 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

Kermit,

Just my question, too. I was searching for the "39th video" and could find nothing...

Just wondering now...

Thanks,

Tricia ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:05:07 PM
Email sent to someone from Robin Holloway regarding JennyM posting at RU. It gives insight into a person's behavior I think.




I posted out of anger, but still am glad I did.  I have had more than enough of her.  If  I at least hit a nerve with her and made her mad, it was worth it.  Thanks for taking up for me.  I'm not going to post there anymore, but because I did, we were able to find out who she really is and she will be taken care of by the folks in Charlotte.
 
Robin


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:06:50 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

They are talking about the Aru-bay videos. According to Bamalady the 39th video showed Natalee on it. She told Robin Holloway that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 10:08:51 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



They are talking about the Aru-bay videos.

Bamalady told Robin Holloway there is a 39th Aru-bay video in which Natalee is seen on it.



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.
Yeah, I missed the context here as well!  ::MonkeyConfused::

O.K. that's what I thought but I didn't remember it being the 39th video though.  Also, before those tapes were taken down I DID see the video but it disappeared to fast and I didn't think about copying it at the time because I was just learning Aruba's way in making stuff "disappear".  It seems to me that it was Rob or Easywriter who brought it to our attention and I looked and then poofh it was gone.  The best I can remember it was a white coroner truck and you could see a body being wrapped up and loaded into that van.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 10:09:25 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

Kermit,

Just my question, too. I was searching for the "39th video" and could find nothing...

Just wondering now...

Thanks,

Tricia ::MonkeyAngel::

My guess is it is in reference to the Aru-bay videos also referenced as the Chicago videos.  There is a missing video in the set and the missing video reportedly has a coroners van in the rock area and a possible body recovery.  The problem is the video was brought to light so early in the case then it was removed from the Aru-bay website.  Every avenue has been exhausted attempting to get ahold of that piece of the Aru-bay video (rock area).

An SM poster Lacy showed it to Rob way back in June 2005 I believe but Rob didn't save it and I don't believe most of us even thought to save all that stuff back then.  There have been attempts to get the webmaster of the Aru-bay site to give the video to Natalee's family or their investigators but it never panned out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:09:35 PM
Robin posted at Refugee
 
Message for JennyM!!
 
I don't normally post, but we have had enough of your lies. You really need to get a life other than taking advantage of our tragedy. You have gotten past the point of decency. I do not know where you get your information from but you are wrong. Dave, Linda and I did attent the Crystal Ball to help raise funds for the Kristen Foundation to help future needs for families with missing loved ones. I hope no one believes you actually were there. You have gotten too many facts and details wrong. If you were really there, you would know Tim Miller could not be there because he was with Jim Compton, Daniel's father, when they got the news they had found his sons body in Georgia. I think you lied to everyone about being there. We will do anything to help the Kristen Foundation. Dave and I have no idea what you are talking about as far as a Holloway fundraiser. I sure hope you never know what it is like to lose a child the way we have. And I hope if you do, you will never experience the bashers as hateful as you. You have crossed the line. You have no idea what we are going through and hope you never know what it is like to lose a child like this.

The Holloways
 
http://ceetveerefugees.11.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?t=2515&sid=38bcf9fd0bc81dc29b51e16787371925

(Moderators if the link is not allowed, please remove. I just wanted to post it as proof/evidence of the actual post)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 10:09:53 PM
Quote
After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::

What do I think of Dave's behavior? Regarding what?


Janet is contending that Dave and Robin are one in heart about trusting Mark Purcell and that Dave has "sold out" Natalee.

Wreck ... that is not what I said.

Janet

++++++


Hypothetical:

What IF Dave agreed to "end the boycott", associate with the enemy, agree to send Fred Golba to Aruba, etc. all for the promise of Aruba simply to return Natalee???
What IF it was the SM folks that foiled the plan (by exposing the hoax)??

Woud you still feel the same about Dave if this was his motive???

That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than accusing him of taking money.

Wreck

To date ... I have never accused Dave and Robin of receiving benefits through their relationship with Mark Purcell.  I speculated based on the fact they had hooked up with the enemy ... knowing he was the enemy.  I could not comprehend how a positive outcome could come from a relationship with the enemy.  I speculated and I still speculate that Natalee's stephmother and father were being willingly used by the enemy to give Aruba credibility.  After all ... if Dave Holloway has a relationship with the head of the ATA/AHATA ... that branch of the Aruban government must be seeking justice for Natalee Holloway.  If Dave and Robin Holloway do not support the boycott then ...

I disagree with your "what if".  Robin and Dave's relationship with the enemy began three years ago.  The flip flopping on the boycott issue occured one year later well before the "Hoax".

Janet

+++++


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 10:10:43 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

They are talking about the Aru-bay videos. According to Bamalady the 39th video showed Natalee on it. She told Robin Holloway that.

Weren't there some who saw that video?  I know I wasn't one of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 25, 2009, 10:15:29 PM
I am sitting this one out as I don't have much to add.  I respect each and every persons opinion here.  All I will say is I will never believe Dave had anything but his great desire to recover his baby's body and bring her home.  That much I know.  As for Robin, I cannot say much about her.  I have an email from Robin and she is (to me) a BITCH.  Sorry.  But she is not a nice woman.  I did nothing but she called me out for it.  I lost ALL respect for her at that moment.  I can picture her being vindictive and after so long and no Natalee I can see her wanting her family life back to normal.  Let's face it, most marriages fall apart after the lose of a child (even if it isn't your flesh and blood).  Just look at Beth and Jug.  Robin had to fight to keep Dave.  He has two little girls who need his attention.  But never would I believe he would brush Natalee aside.  His desire/hope was to bring her home.  He will probably never be able to.  It is going on 5 years.  Chances are slim she will ever be back home to rest.  But I believe Dave would go to the ends of the earth to find her and bring her home.  Unfortunately, evil exists and it exists BIG time on Aruba and certain players in all this will take complete advantage of Dave knowing he would do anything for Natalee.  All the while what do they do?  They sit and laugh and degrade Natalee and her mother.  AND they make a complete fool of Dave. JMO 

I have to agree with Blue Moon’s comments on all of the above.  I have been trying to “sit out” this discussion but can no longer remain silent.  I have followed Natalee’s case since the first day her disappearance featured on Fox News and in all these ensuing years I have never heard or read any comment by Beth that has been in any way derogatory to Dave (or Robin for that matter).  I think that it would be wise for some of our posters to show the same respect.  Dave and Beth put aside any differences and worked together to try to solve this whole unsavoury mess. We can question and surmise, but presumptuous accusations as to the state of Dave and Robin’s relationship are carrying it all too far IMO.  They have been targeted as easy prey  by the Aruban disinformation team which as we all know now have been aided and abetted by many, including those who posted alongside us all for many years.

It is unfortunate that one or two monkeys seem to consider this forum to be theirs exclusively and their viewpoints are the only ones to be entertained.  Which is why so many of your good and clever monkeys refrain from posting here any longer. Constant quoting and re-quoting really only serves to add to the prevailing atmosphere and is so unnecessary as we all could recite most of them by heart by now anyway.

I hope no one considers this a personal attack – it is just the way I have seen things evolve over the recent  weeks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 10:16:35 PM
Quote
After you get caught up -- I would appreciate your input!  ::MonkeyAngel::

What do I think of Dave's behavior? Regarding what?


Janet is contending that Dave and Robin are one in heart about trusting Mark Purcell and that Dave has "sold out" Natalee.

Wreck ... that is not what I said.

Janet

++++++


Hypothetical:

What IF Dave agreed to "end the boycott", associate with the enemy, agree to send Fred Golba to Aruba, etc. all for the promise of Aruba simply to return Natalee???
What IF it was the SM folks that foiled the plan (by exposing the hoax)??

Woud you still feel the same about Dave if this was his motive???

That makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than accusing him of taking money.

Wreck

To date ... I have never accused Dave and Robin of receiving benefits through their relationship with Mark Purcell.  I speculated based on the fact they had hooked up with the enemy ... knowing he was the enemy.  I could not comprehend how a positive outcome could come from a relationship with the enemy.  I speculated and I still speculate that Natalee's stephmother and father were being willingly used by the enemy to give Aruba credibility.  After all ... if Dave Holloway has a relationship with the head of the ATA/AHATA ... that branch of the Aruban government must be seeking justice for Natalee Holloway.  If Dave and Robin Holloway do not support the boycott then ...

I disagree with your "what if".  Robin and Dave's relationship with the enemy began three years ago.  The flip flopping on the boycott issue occured one year later well before the "Hoax".

Janet

+++++


Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0

Not in THAT post you referenced -- but I think I represented your opinion over the last few days.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 25, 2009, 10:17:59 PM
Klaas, Wasn't it someone named Jacee or Jace or Jaycee instead of Lacy who sent the vid to Rob?

Several of us saw if in the beginning but there were so many vids, etc. that no one saved it.  Not sure what it was showing but did have a coroner's van.  Some may also recall that they are very short and tiny and not really suited for transporting a body which is normally done in a hearse in Aruba.  At least that's how I remember it but that has been literally years ago.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:19:03 PM
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    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 10:20:56 PM
Klaas, Wasn't it someone named Jacee or Jace or Jaycee instead of Lacy who sent the vid to Rob?

Several of us saw if in the beginning but there were so many vids, etc. that no one saved it.  Not sure what it was showing but did have a coroner's van.  Some may also recall that they are very short and tiny and not really suited for transporting a body which is normally done in a hearse in Aruba.  At least that's how I remember it but that has been literally years ago.


All I know is that Rob always had a "mission" to re-locate that "CSI" van.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 10:23:40 PM
Klaas, Wasn't it someone named Jacee or Jace or Jaycee instead of Lacy who sent the vid to Rob?

Several of us saw if in the beginning but there were so many vids, etc. that no one saved it.  Not sure what it was showing but did have a coroner's van.  Some may also recall that they are very short and tiny and not really suited for transporting a body which is normally done in a hearse in Aruba.  At least that's how I remember it but that has been literally years ago.



Yes Anna, you are right..I think it was Jacy or Jace..

I actually have her post saved someplace where she was telling Rob to check his PM's and the discussion was of the Aru-bay videos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 25, 2009, 10:25:11 PM
I am beginning to forget things I thought I never would forget.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 10:25:20 PM
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    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


A donation to RU?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 25, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

They are talking about the Aru-bay videos. According to Bamalady the 39th video showed Natalee on it. She told Robin Holloway that.

Weren't there some who saw that video?  I know I wasn't one of them.


Even those of us who did see it didn't agree on what we saw.  I saw it and I remember IBE saw it and I want to say Sharon but not sure about her.  Wreck may have as well but we didn't know what we were looking at and after seeing all those videos, it was confusing and no one knew if real or what.

Remember the stated reason the vids were made?  What was first posted as to why they were made?  To prevent any other innocent people from being framed.  Referring to the Security Guards.   So I have never thought they were trying to help find Natalee but to show a fabricated crime scene and the un-doing of it by painting over planted evidence.  Things dind't work out at TPTB had planned so that had to go back and un-make their fake crime scene.

But that is just my take on it and only that.  Like several other things, I doubt anyone else sees it that way at all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 10:37:25 PM
From:    <edited BY ME>
To:   "Kermit" <EDITED BY ME>
Subject:   Re: Hi
Date:   Wed, 8 Mar 2006 17:39:18 -0600
Keep this to yourself. Bamalady is the one that told Robin there was a 39th video and it showed all that.
 



O.K. what is the "39th video"?  Thanks.

They are talking about the Aru-bay videos. According to Bamalady the 39th video showed Natalee on it. She told Robin Holloway that.

Weren't there some who saw that video?  I know I wasn't one of them.


Even those of us who did see it didn't agree on what we saw.  I saw it and I remember IBE saw it and I want to say Sharon but not sure about her.  Wreck may have as well but we didn't know what we were looking at and after seeing all those videos, it was confusing and no one knew if real or what.

Remember the stated reason the vids were made?  What was first posted as to why they were made?  To prevent any other innocent people from being framed.  Referring to the Security Guards.   So I have never thought they were trying to help find Natalee but to show a fabricated crime scene and the un-doing of it by painting over planted evidence.  Things dind't work out at TPTB had planned so that had to go back and un-make their fake crime scene.

But that is just my take on it and only that.  Like several other things, I doubt anyone else sees it that way at all.
I never saw it -- only remember discussion about it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:40:23 PM
Why Robin Holloway defends Mark Purcell

Robin Holloway (in a phone conversation) stated:

Robin's excuse today was, he is the only person on the island to check things out for them.

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I called Robin to talk to Dave at 8:42 tell her that my Body in the bag picture will be in the National Enquirer look who she called
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Heads up... the next National Enquirer will have an article that will discuss the picture that we all have been talking about from video #24. The edition will be on the newsstands this week.

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MIP6 posted

Speaking of delusional idiots, here we have Faith attacking Robin and calling her a bad parent.
Faith get a life bitch, you are another sad excuse for a human.

That is all for now I look forward to bringing more of the Truth4 morons out of the dark for all to see.

posted by MIP6 @ 10:57 AM 
_________________________________________
Faith had posted:
The most important thing is this: We here at T4N are for the truth. Certain members were exposed from BFN and many BFN members don't like me anymore because I speak the truth. I've exposed the bashers post. Everyone knows it's true. I've given the post to Robin many times. I've given them to Suzie many times at her request to forward to Robin. I've done my part keeping the family, (Dave & Robin) informed as I was asked to do. The ball is in their court. Faith

_________________________________________

Janet and Kermie,

Just talked to XXX, he had a long discussion of the troll problems today. Apparently Dave was totally unaware of the bashing posts by these trolls and the problems Robin had caused with that post of hers.

We are getting him the posts that XXXXX has compiled and they are going to be forwarded to Dave. I think once he reads them he can fully understand why we feel the way we do and he may have a different view of these people.

xxxx wanted you to know about this so you will know all your efforts are appreciated and being utilized. Just sit tight for a few days and let's see what happens.

XXXX
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:44:31 PM
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    FocusFactor wrote:


    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


A donation to RU?

I think it was money to her cat.
All I recall is people were questioning Robin Holloway sending donations to this woman for her cat and if she used money that was being sent for donations to their foundation or something? I don't know, I wasn't involved in it, just copied the posts is all.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:49:20 PM
I have to agree with Blue Moon’s comments on all of the above.  I have been trying to “sit out” this discussion but can no longer remain silent.  I have followed Natalee’s case since the first day her disappearance featured on Fox News and in all these ensuing years I have never heard or read any comment by Beth that has been in any way derogatory to Dave (or Robin for that matter).  I think that it would be wise for some of our posters to show the same respect.  Dave and Beth put aside any differences and worked together to try to solve this whole unsavoury mess. We can question and surmise, but presumptuous accusations as to the state of Dave and Robin’s relationship are carrying it all too far IMO.  They have been targeted as easy prey  by the Aruban disinformation team which as we all know now have been aided and abetted by many, including those who posted alongside us all for many years.

It is unfortunate that one or two monkeys seem to consider this forum to be theirs exclusively and their viewpoints are the only ones to be entertained.  Which is why so many of your good and clever monkeys refrain from posting here any longer. Constant quoting and re-quoting really only serves to add to the prevailing atmosphere and is so unnecessary as we all could recite most of them by heart by now anyway.

I hope no one considers this a personal attack – it is just the way I have seen things evolve over the recent  weeks.


Hi Tib,

I know I am guilty of re-posting/quotes/photos etc. because sometimes I have a purpose for reasons that I can't divulge and sometimes I do it as a reminder. I know that it can become annoying to us old-timers, but there have been many times someone has re posted a quote and I am in the middle of a document & lo and behold that quote helps me. So it can be both good and bad I guess. It is, never meant to annoy or upset anyone. So I hope you'll take exception and just pass by me. ribbit
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 10:51:36 PM
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    FocusFactor wrote:


    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


A donation to RU?

I think it was money to her cat.
All I recall is people were questioning Robin Holloway sending donations to this woman for her cat and if she used money that was being sent for donations to their foundation or something? I don't know, I wasn't involved in it, just copied the posts is all.


::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyNoNo::  A cat???? During the height of all of the Natalee situation?????? Dave's behavior aside -- can ANYONE defend Robin?????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 10:52:33 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 25, 2009, 10:53:37 PM
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    FocusFactor wrote:


    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


A donation to RU?

I think it was money to her cat.
All I recall is people were questioning Robin Holloway sending donations to this woman for her cat and if she used money that was being sent for donations to their foundation or something? I don't know, I wasn't involved in it, just copied the posts is all.



Actually I remember this entire VC and her cat fiasco.  One of several incidents including her car being totalled by a tree falling on it.  More than once donations were collected for her.  Which is fine I guess, each to their own.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 10:55:32 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 10:58:19 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??

I'm with you, wreck.  Was wondering, too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 25, 2009, 11:00:13 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??

I'm with you, wreck.  Was wondering, too.

Make that three.... ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:00:46 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:01:04 PM
 ::MonkeySlide::

At least there's a crowd tonight.   Justice for Natalee!!!     ::MonkeyGavel:: 

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:01:54 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??

I'm with you, wreck.  Was wondering, too.

Make that three.... ::MonkeyConfused::
Four!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:02:59 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping....great minds....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:04:06 PM
::MonkeyHaHa::

Hotping....great minds....
  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:05:21 PM


<snipped>

Janet and Kermie,

Just talked to XXX, he had a long discussion of the troll problems today. Apparently Dave was totally unaware of the bashing posts by these trolls and the problems Robin had caused with that post of hers.

We are getting him the posts that XXXXX has compiled and they are going to be forwarded to Dave. I think once he reads them he can fully understand why we feel the way we do and he may have a different view of these people.

xxxx wanted you to know about this so you will know all your efforts are appreciated and being utilized. Just sit tight for a few days and let's see what happens.

XXXX
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What was the date of the above Kermit?

Kermit ... Rob also sent Dave a compilation of the trolls despicable posts following Robin's enfamous post of August, 2006. 

It appears that the relationship with Mark Purcell and the Holloways was still on going just prior to the Persistence endeavor.

Janet


+++++


DAVE AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH JULIA RENFRO, MARK PURCELL AND DEBBIE (BFN).

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.
 
As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
 
For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:05:31 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??


Heh Heh I have my ways. ::MonkeyCool::

Actually it was someone that had given the information to Dave Holloway about Mark Purcell and Reality etc. I xxxx'd out their real name is all. I just wanted to show you that Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway have been given the information about the people they choose to communicate & trust and they have had it for years!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:08:05 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


I wonder why Dave did not cut off the relationship with Mark Purcell at this point?

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:09:57 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


I wonder why Dave did not cut off the relationship with Mark Purcell at this point?

Janet

This post was from August/September, 2006.  Do I have that right.

Thanks Kermit

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:10:22 PM


<snipped>

Janet and Kermie,

Just talked to XXX, he had a long discussion of the troll problems today. Apparently Dave was totally unaware of the bashing posts by these trolls and the problems Robin had caused with that post of hers.

We are getting him the posts that XXXXX has compiled and they are going to be forwarded to Dave. I think once he reads them he can fully understand why we feel the way we do and he may have a different view of these people.

xxxx wanted you to know about this so you will know all your efforts are appreciated and being utilized. Just sit tight for a few days and let's see what happens.

XXXX
_______________


What was the date of the above Kermit?

Kermit ... Rob also sent Dave a compilation of the trolls despicable posts following Robin's enfamous post of August, 2006. 

It appears that the relationship with Mark Purcell and the Holloways was still on going just prior to the Persistence endeavor.

Janet


+++++


DAVE AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S RELATIONSHIP WITH JULIA RENFRO, MARK PURCELL AND DEBBIE (BFN).

ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007


Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.
 
As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...
 
For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317

September 18, 2006

You are correct. Mark Purcell is the contact in Aruba.
He was involved with Capslockwizard.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:10:29 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??


Heh Heh I have my ways. ::MonkeyCool::

Actually it was someone that had given the information to Dave Holloway about Mark Purcell and Reality etc. I xxxx'd out their real name is all. I just wanted to show you that Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway have been given the information about the people they choose to communicate & trust and they have had it for years!




There was no reference to the time frame -- I think we all were thinking you got that tonight!   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:11:36 PM
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word is spreading that ROBOTS IS BACK!!!!

ribbit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 25, 2009, 11:12:40 PM
Dave never severed his contact with Dan Rheil either even after Dan made his famous 180 degree turn or the infamous death by orgasm posts.  He even posted and thanked Dan for his support.  Not being able to read the mind of another, I attributed it to the pain of the loss being so much greater than what someone might say.  Sort of like ignoring gossip.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:13:28 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??


Heh Heh I have my ways. ::MonkeyCool::

Actually it was someone that had given the information to Dave Holloway about Mark Purcell and Reality etc. I xxxx'd out their real name is all. I just wanted to show you that Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway have been given the information about the people they choose to communicate & trust and they have had it for years!




There was no reference to the time frame -- I think we all were thinking you got that tonight!   ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry bout that. No it was long ago that some other people were talking/emailing Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway giving
them the information about Reality and Mark Purcell. They BOTH have known for a long time about them bashing Natalee and Beth on the websites.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 25, 2009, 11:14:57 PM


Hi Tib,

I know I am guilty of re-posting/quotes/photos etc. because sometimes I have a purpose for reasons that I can't divulge and sometimes I do it as a reminder. I know that it can become annoying to us old-timers, but there have been many times someone has re posted a quote and I am in the middle of a document & lo and behold that quote helps me. So it can be both good and bad I guess. It is, never meant to annoy or upset anyone. So I hope you'll take exception and just pass by me. ribbit
 ::MonkeyCool::

Hi Kermit,

No, your reposting of quotes/pics/links do not come under that heading at any time.  They always have a very good reason and I never pass by your posts.

I just wish you were able to tell us MORE.  But I can be patient if it all means justice and answers for Natalee's loved ones.

 ::MonkeyGavel:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:17:24 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


I wonder why Dave did not cut off the relationship with Mark Purcell at this point?

Janet

They tell him that Natalee is alive and taken off the island.
I just remember early on that he was the person they had to go check out Margarite Island because it was thought that she was taken there and we were told he said he could not find it.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 11:17:52 PM
Dave never severed his contact with Dan Rheil either even after Dan made his famous 180 degree turn or the infamous death by orgasm posts.  He even posted and thanked Dan for his support.  Not being able to read the mind of another, I attributed it to the pain of the loss being so much greater than what someone might say.  Sort of like ignoring gossip.

 ::MonkeyEek::

I don't remember the "death by orgasm" posts. I'm amazed I would forget that!   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:20:41 PM
Hi Kermit,

No, your reposting of quotes/pics/links do not come under that heading at any time.  They always have a very good reason and I never pass by your posts.

I just wish you were able to tell us MORE.  But I can be patient if it all means justice and answers for Natalee's loved ones.

I'm the silent type by nature.
ribbit



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 25, 2009, 11:22:19 PM
22 guests.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.  Interesting.

Well I am calling it a night.  If Robots is one of those guests he should come down before I call it a night.  It's no fun having to read about the posts tomorrow when they can be here tonight in discussion with us.

Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 25, 2009, 11:24:46 PM
Dave never severed his contact with Dan Rheil either even after Dan made his famous 180 degree turn or the infamous death by orgasm posts.  He even posted and thanked Dan for his support.  Not being able to read the mind of another, I attributed it to the pain of the loss being so much greater than what someone might say.  Sort of like ignoring gossip.

 ::MonkeyEek::

I don't remember the "death by orgasm" posts. I'm amazed I would forget that!   ::MonkeyNoNo::

I guess I remember it so well because it eventually led to my being banned and a buncha my posts removed. . . from arguing with Dan about it.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:24:53 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.

::MonkeyConfused::
Am I just totally slow tonight? When did you get this??


Heh Heh I have my ways. ::MonkeyCool::

Actually it was someone that had given the information to Dave Holloway about Mark Purcell and Reality etc. I xxxx'd out their real name is all. I just wanted to show you that Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway have been given the information about the people they choose to communicate & trust and they have had it for years!




There was no reference to the time frame -- I think we all were thinking you got that tonight!   ::MonkeyEek::

Sorry bout that. No it was long ago that some other people were talking/emailing Dave Holloway and Robin Holloway giving
them the information about Reality and Mark Purcell. They BOTH have known for a long time about them bashing Natalee and Beth on the websites.


Which brings us back full-circle and my original question to you this evening. If Dave (and Robin) KNOW the evil that is Mark Purcell et al  -- what explains their defending of him and his ilk to this day??????????????? Is Janet totally correct?? Has Dave sold out?? I'm trying to defend Dave here, but I must admit that Janet's (and your revelations ) are giving me pause.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:25:48 PM
HOLLOWAY TWITTY: Martin, on June 11, I have it documented in a journal that I've been keeping, that I specifically asked, could a cover-up be involved?
SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 25, 2009, 11:26:24 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:26:30 PM
22 guests.  Hmmmmmmmmmmm.  Interesting.

Well I am calling it a night.  If Robots is one of those guests he should come down before I call it a night.  It's no fun having to read about the posts tomorrow when they can be here tonight in discussion with us.

Have a good one.

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::
Good Night Blue Moon!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:26:58 PM
Goodnight, Blue Moon. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 25, 2009, 11:27:36 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

That would be the poster that went by the name "Just-me".........not me but ya'll know that. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:27:41 PM
Dave never severed his contact with Dan Rheil either even after Dan made his famous 180 degree turn or the infamous death by orgasm posts.  He even posted and thanked Dan for his support.  Not being able to read the mind of another, I attributed it to the pain of the loss being so much greater than what someone might say.  Sort of like ignoring gossip.

 ::MonkeyEek::

I don't remember the "death by orgasm" posts. I'm amazed I would forget that!   ::MonkeyNoNo::
Boy! I do!!!! I used to e-mail directly with Dan  -- we came to blows after that. I did everything imaginable to confront him in the forum -- yet, never got banned.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:29:29 PM
Hi Kermit,

No, your reposting of quotes/pics/links do not come under that heading at any time.  They always have a very good reason and I never pass by your posts.

I just wish you were able to tell us MORE.  But I can be patient if it all means justice and answers for Natalee's loved ones.

I'm the silent type by nature.
ribbit


Silence is Golden!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 25, 2009, 11:29:54 PM
Janet....I wonder why you do not address Dave Holloway directly instead of posting all of this on a public forum.  You have certainly called him a number of things that would never have been allowed
in the past.  If you have his email address - and I assume you do - it would be a kinder thing to sit down and write him.  Ask him the questions as it appears that no one on this forum has the answers you are seeking.  And, before I hit post, let me say that all of this is no one's business as far as I am concerned.  And this post is just my humble opinion and I do not have any links to justify it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:29:58 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

Hi, Snoopy....it ain't over.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:32:38 PM
No it Ain't Over!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:33:37 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


I wonder why Dave did not cut off the relationship with Mark Purcell at this point?

Janet

They tell him that Natalee is alive and taken off the island.
I just remember early on that he was the person they had to go check out Margarite Island because it was thought that she was taken there and we were told he said he could not find it.


Kermit ...  I remember that too.  It was in in November, 2006.

Thanks

Janet

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 25, 2009, 11:34:15 PM
 Ya know if this had been my child and I knew that people I had trusted was actually involved in a cover-up or mis-information campaign I'd play their game.  Yes I would.  I would be vindictive enough that if it took me years I would play their game until I took them down.  And I would get them. Somehow.  Someway.  They would pay one way or another.  I give Dave a pass.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 25, 2009, 11:36:14 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

I agree.

Hi Snoopy good to see you.

On that note have a good night everyone.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:37:50 PM
Good Night San!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 25, 2009, 11:38:13 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

I agree.

Hi Snoopy good to see you.

On that note have a good night everyone.

Good Night San...... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 25, 2009, 11:38:47 PM
Hi 2NJ.

Good night Blue moon.

Good night San.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:38:52 PM
Boy, was I a forum novice.  I read RWV, then came here to SM and registered.  Then registered & never posted at BFN, and occasionally read at RU.  That's why so many have all this background info.....What I do think I know can go in the penny jar.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 25, 2009, 11:40:18 PM
Ya know if this had been my child and I knew that people I had trusted was actually involved in a cover-up or mis-information campaign I'd play their game.  Yes I would.  I would be vindictive enough that if it took me years I would play their game until I took them down.  And I would get them. Somehow.  Someway.  They would pay one way or another.  I give Dave a pass.

Hi Snoopy! I don't know the answers to Dave's behavior. I respect the opinions here, and the people who post here, but I'm with you. I can believe almost anything short of Dave knowingly selling out when it comes to Natalee.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 25, 2009, 11:41:05 PM
Boy, was I a forum novice.  I read RWV, then came here to SM and registered.  Then registered & never posted at BFN, and occasionally read at RU.  That's why so many have all this background info.....What I do think I know can go in the penny jar.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Lol  you are not alone.  That's the exact path I took too. haha  And I don't know Jack!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 25, 2009, 11:41:32 PM
Janet....I wonder why you do not address Dave Holloway directly instead of posting all of this on a public forum.  You have certainly called him a number of things that would never have been allowed
in the past.  If you have his email address - and I assume you do - it would be a kinder thing to sit down and write him.  Ask him the questions as it appears that no one on this forum has the answers you are seeking.  And, before I hit post, let me say that all of this is no one's business as far as I am concerned.  And this post is just my humble opinion and I do not have any links to justify it.

Mere

Please direct me to a post where I have disrespected Dave Holloway.  Speculating regarding what Dave and Robin Holloway motives are in regards to their long time relationship with the enemy is not disrespectful.  Anybody who has a connection to those with an Aruban agenda are singled out and questioned as to their motives on this forum.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:42:13 PM
Goodnight, San. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:43:01 PM
Which brings us back full-circle and my original question to you this evening. If Dave (and Robin) KNOW the evil that is Mark Purcell et al  -- what explains their defending of him and his ilk to this day??????????????? Is Janet totally correct?? Has Dave sold out?? I'm trying to defend Dave here, but I must admit that Janet's (and your revelations ) are giving me pause.

I'll try my best to explain what I am aware of.

Mark Purcell showed up early on at the rjames site. He is part of the IFA. Paulus van der Sloot's statement even stated that his IFA FRIENDS helped him. Mark Purcell then began to bash Natalee and her family (have to check the dates, but it might have been when the boycott started).  He ended up at the BFN site and was PM'ing several women. I have a chat conversation with one of them, I also have the IPs and where/what he was doing at that time.  He played them. He made friends with them. He got them thinking he's just a nice guy and has a lot of wisdom. All the while he is bashing Beth and her daughter on other sites.
He also told the family he would check out things for them. Afterall, why shouldn't Dave and Robin trust another American might have been their thinking. Dave was the one trusting Dompig afterall, remember???

By the time, the Birmingham meeting was to take place a number of people had been shall I say informing themselves about some of these individuals who bashed the family and Natalee. They informed Robin Holloway and she flat out told one of them that I know of, that she did not believe it. They also called Beth and told her. Beth didn't know what to believe and thought the Robin on BFN must be a fake. Dave Holloway was contacted and he was informed. In fact, I know that Robin Holloway did not want Deetch to attend the meeting and was very adamant about defending Mark Purcell and Reality. Keep in mind, that they talked to her over the phone.

Mark Purcell was telling them that Natalee was still alive. That was also the lies if you recall that scubajap was posting - she ran off with the Blue-eyed Dutch boy, the fake letter mailed to Paulus van der Sloot from Natalee and some guy. Etc etc. That was the plan to make the parents think Natalee was sold and/or ran away and that it's not Aruba's fault. It's Natalee's.

If you wanted to believe that, you might trust the wrong people.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:44:47 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

I agree.

Hi Snoopy good to see you.

On that note have a good night everyone.
I agree too! That is why I am asking the hard questions (as is Janet). I am TRYING to get both sides. I am TRYING to see Janet's point of view --though I still cannot fathom Dave's recent behavior. I think I have given ample reasons why I think Dave is where he is -- but I crave discussion. I so love nights like these where we run through several pages with honest discussion. I am thrilled that Robots is back. I am thrilled that kermit is here. Im thrilled that I am not getting in trouble for talking football with KTF and billb because it is slow!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 25, 2009, 11:47:34 PM
Dave is Hero. I do not discount his efforts.
Although, He is way to nice for the job. He does not have it in him to kick some ass.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 25, 2009, 11:49:02 PM
Janet....I wonder why you do not address Dave Holloway directly instead of posting all of this on a public forum.  You have certainly called him a number of things that would never have been allowed
in the past.  If you have his email address - and I assume you do - it would be a kinder thing to sit down and write him.  Ask him the questions as it appears that no one on this forum has the answers you are seeking.  And, before I hit post, let me say that all of this is no one's business as far as I am concerned.  And this post is just my humble opinion and I do not have any links to justify it.

Mere

Please direct me to a post where I have disrespected Dave Holloway.  Speculating regarding what Dave and Robin Holloway motives are in regards to their long time relationship with the enemy is not disrespectful.  Anybody who has a connection to those with an Aruban agenda are singled out and questioned as to their motives on this forum.

Janet



Janet.....I will not be going back to any of your posts, and I did not use the word "disrespectful".  I believe you did.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:49:56 PM
Dave Holloway knows the truth about Mark Purcell/Reality etc.

Just got a "Thanks XXXX!" from Dave... looks like he truly appreciated all the info on the trouble makers.

I cant take the credit ... so I 'll pass it to you guys and gals...thank you everyone that worked to get that to Dave.


I wonder why Dave did not cut off the relationship with Mark Purcell at this point?

Janet

They tell him that Natalee is alive and taken off the island.
I just remember early on that he was the person they had to go check out Margarite Island because it was thought that she was taken there and we were told he said he could not find it.


Kermit ...  I remember that too.  It was in in November, 2006.

Thanks

Janet

 

Yes I have the photo they circulated saying it was Natalee in some sex slave thing on the island.
One of the family members asked me about it. I said I would prefer to not show them the photo since it was not Natalee and the girl was indecent in the photo.

There was a number of people saying that she was on Margureite Island. I checked into it, I found a number of young girls who did look very frightened in the photos I copied and saved. They are on that island for a purpose and the way I got into that site was through some whacky  advertisement for single couples to vacation or something if I recall. I got in, I copied some of it and it disappeared when I tried to go back. The faces of those young girls still haunt me. It is also a known terrorist place to vacation. But that is what was going on and Mark Purcell and scubajap were telling everyone that she was taken off the island and there was no proof she was buried on Aruba etc. etc. There is so much more but I'm tired and I'm going to take a break for now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:51:54 PM
Dave is Hero. I do not discount his efforts.
Although, He is way to nice for the job. He does not have it in him to kick some ass.

He was a Navy Seal. I think he could kick some buttinsky's if he wanted too.
But who knows for sure.

Hi Edward!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 25, 2009, 11:52:28 PM
Good Night Kermit!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:55:52 PM
Wasn't it Just me that had seen the Aru-bay video in question?

Trappenburg and Tito?  lord have mercy. lol

I would never presume to know what is in Dave's mind, but I would bet the farm that he would have done anything to get Natalee back.  We know that.  We know that.  Keep your friends close and your enemy's closer.  This ain't over.

I agree.

Hi Snoopy good to see you.

On that note have a good night everyone.
I agree too! That is why I am asking the hard questions (as is Janet). I am TRYING to get both sides. I am TRYING to see Janet's point of view --though I still cannot fathom Dave's recent behavior. I think I have given ample reasons why I think Dave is where he is -- but I crave discussion. I so love nights like these where we run through several pages with honest discussion. I am thrilled that Robots is back. I am thrilled that kermit is here. Im thrilled that I am not getting in trouble for talking football with KTF and billb because it is slow!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Remember when we could not fathom why in the world Dave was talking with Dompig and we all thought it was Beth and Dave playing good cop bad cop. Then Dompig sent that scathing email to Dave to stop emailing him!!!!!

Some of these people you have to outsmart, outplay.

GAME AIN'T OVER FOLKS! Trust me on that.

And with that. I'm off.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 25, 2009, 11:56:23 PM
Good Night Kermit!  ::MonkeyCool::

ribbit lil ping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 25, 2009, 11:57:46 PM
Goodnight, Kermit.  Thanks for hopping by. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 25, 2009, 11:57:58 PM
Dave is Hero. I do not discount his efforts.
Although, He is way to nice for the job. He does not have it in him to kick some ass.
Edward, I agree! I have defended him to the hilt these past couple of days. However, I do want questions answered. Dave was a Navy Seal? (I'm pretty sure I remember that to be true).
Dave was competely aware of the nasty posts of Mark Purcell et al? Dave was aware of some of Robin's posts to websites that were of questionable repute? Dave thinks Aruba is absolved from a boycott??? I just don't get it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:04:06 AM
Wreck, I am trying to sit this one out as I just don't feel comfortable discussing family members of crime victims when those family members are totally innocent in the disappearance, etc.

That said, in the last TV appearance by Dave, he looked so tired and so weary and said something about being afraid he would have a heart attack.  If I had two very young children, alive and needing thier father, and knew I had done all I could do to bring justice for the missing and presumed deceased other child, I guess I might go with whatever would make the chest pains go away in order to live to rear the remaining two?

That didn't come out right and doesn't even make sense but maybe you can tell sort of what I mean.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 12:08:15 AM
Wreck, I am trying to sit this one out as I just don't feel comfortable discussing family members of crime victims when those family members are totally innocent in the disappearance, etc.

That said, in the last TV appearance by Dave, he looked so tired and so weary and said something about being afraid he would have a heart attack.  If I had two very young children, alive and needing thier father, and knew I had done all I could do to bring justice for the missing and presumed deceased other child, I guess I might go with whatever would make the chest pains go away in order to live to rear the remaining two?

That didn't come out right and doesn't even make sense but maybe you can tell sort of what I mean.
No, it makes more sense than any other discussion the last couple of days. I cannot fathom any other scenario other than him being pragmatic with the family he has left. VERY SAD.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 12:15:26 AM
I'm heading out, so that means I'll be seeing you all later.  That also means that whether it's busy or slow here, sports should be discussed in the Sports thread....  ::MonkeyTease::

Just doing my job per the specs given.     ::MonkeyWink::

Robots, try to visit before 3am, will ya. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:15:59 AM
I post and read almost every night.  Then I miss one night andf who appears but ROBOTS!

Was hoping he would come back and tell us how he feels about the Arubans.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 12:16:27 AM
I know what you mean Anna.

Good night Kermit.

I have to believe that Justice will come.  Answers will come.

I stand with the girl.

Thank you all for being who you are.  And a special thanks to Klass

nighty night.

Now I gotta delete my cookies which is why I usually show up as a guest. haha


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 12:17:43 AM
I'm heading out, so that means I'll be seeing you all later.  That also means that whether it's busy or slow here, sports should be discussed in the Sports thread....  ::MonkeyTease::

Just doing my job per the specs given.     ::MonkeyWink::

Robots, try to visit before 3am, will ya. 

Good Night 2NJ.....I am right behind you....good night, night crew.... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 12:18:37 AM
Good night Mere.  It's always good to see you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:19:03 AM
I'm heading out, so that means I'll be seeing you all later.  That also means that whether it's busy or slow here, sports should be discussed in the Sports thread....  ::MonkeyTease::

Just doing my job per the specs given.     ::MonkeyWink::

Robots, try to visit before 3am, will ya. 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::

You are appreciated, hope you know that!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 12:19:29 AM
Good night 2NJ


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 26, 2009, 12:19:58 AM
I want to say that I followed this case from the beginning and finally found this great site. Natalee was last seen with Urine and the 2Ks and his POS father WAS involved. Never have we seen such injustice of a beautiful young woman and the coverup was from the beginning. Justice for Natalee!!

IT'S GREAT TO SEE SO MANY MONKEYS COMING TOGETHER!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I HATE THEM ALL!!!    ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:20:14 AM
I'm heading out, so that means I'll be seeing you all later.  That also means that whether it's busy or slow here, sports should be discussed in the Sports thread....  ::MonkeyTease::

Just doing my job per the specs given.     ::MonkeyWink::

Robots, try to visit before 3am, will ya. 

Good Night 2NJ.....I am right behind you....good night, night crew.... :2waver:

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 12:20:59 AM
Good night Mere.  It's always good to see you.

Hi Snoopy...I love to see you and you reminded me to erase cookies....  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:21:35 AM
I want to say that I followed this case from the beginning and finally found this great site. Natalee was last seen with Urine and the 2Ks and his POS father WAS involved. Never have we seen such injustice of a beautiful young woman and the coverup was from the beginning. Justice for Natalee!!

IT'S GREAT TO SEE SO MANY MONKEYS COMING TOGETHER!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

I HATE THEM ALL!!!    ::MonkeyMad::   ::MonkeyMad::


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 12:22:39 AM
Good Night 2NJ and Mere!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 12:23:55 AM
I'm heading out, so that means I'll be seeing you all later.  That also means that whether it's busy or slow here, sports should be discussed in the Sports thread....  ::MonkeyTease::

Just doing my job per the specs given.     ::MonkeyWink::

Robots, try to visit before 3am, will ya. 

Good Night 2NJ.....I am right behind you....good night, night crew.... :2waver:

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Thank you for always remembering to say good night..... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 12:25:18 AM
Good Night 2NJ and Mere!  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you and I am racing off.........     ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 12:26:22 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:26:32 AM
Snoopy, good to see you!  Sometimes if I am reading real late at night I also see Spooky but she never posts!

Lifesong, where are you?

This has all been one roller coaster ride and not in any good way.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
I post and read almost every night.  Then I miss one night andf who appears but ROBOTS!

Was hoping he would come back and tell us how he feels about the Arubans.

I was wondering where you were Anna!  I thought after I signed off last night, I should have asked while Robots was here. 

I'm sure he would have done as always....and found you!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is so heartwarming to have our ROBOTS back!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: 


 ::MonkeyCool::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:28:48 AM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 12:32:23 AM
 ::MonkeyLaugh:: Threatening billb with Robot's avi awakened the dead last night!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:33:10 AM
I post and read almost every night.  Then I miss one night andf who appears but ROBOTS!

Was hoping he would come back and tell us how he feels about the Arubans.

I was wondering where you were Anna!  I thought after I signed off last night, I should have asked while Robots was here. 

I'm sure he would have done as always....and found you!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is so heartwarming to have our ROBOTS back!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: 


 ::MonkeyCool::







Yes, and I think he would get a kick out of knowing that some believed he actually did find me, lol.

I miss his wit and at times this all gets just so heavy. . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:33:33 AM
I know what you mean Anna.

Good night Kermit.

I have to believe that Justice will come.  Answers will come.

I stand with the girl.


Thank you all for being who you are.  And a special thanks to Klass

nighty night.

Now I gotta delete my cookies which is why I usually show up as a guest. haha

Good night Snoopy!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:34:52 AM
I post and read almost every night.  Then I miss one night andf who appears but ROBOTS!

Was hoping he would come back and tell us how he feels about the Arubans.

I was wondering where you were Anna!  I thought after I signed off last night, I should have asked while Robots was here. 

I'm sure he would have done as always....and found you!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

It is so heartwarming to have our ROBOTS back!   ::MonkeyJnBox:: 


 ::MonkeyCool::







Yes, and I think he would get a kick out of knowing that some believed he actually did find me, lol.

I miss his wit and at times this all gets just so heavy. . . .

Yes, it does....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:36:04 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: Threatening billb with Robot's avi awakened the dead last night!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::

He was just napping wreck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 12:38:00 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: Threatening billb with Robot's avi awakened the dead last night!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::

He was just napping wreck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
"stunned"  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 26, 2009, 12:40:02 AM
Nite Ya'll!!! Justice IS coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:40:02 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: Threatening billb with Robot's avi awakened the dead last night!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::

He was just napping wreck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
"stunned"  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 12:41:09 AM
Night Cajun Miracle!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 12:44:15 AM
::MonkeyLaugh:: Threatening billb with Robot's avi awakened the dead last night!!!   ::MonkeyDevil::

He was just napping wreck!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa::
"stunned"  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::cartwheel::

 ::MonkeyDevil::

  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 12:46:35 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:49:03 AM
Nite Ya'll!!! Justice IS coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 12:50:26 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 12:54:25 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 01:02:07 AM
I believe Robots is planning His Strategy...What do You think billb?  ::MonkeyWink:: 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:05:38 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
Hey CBB.....
Thanks for the avi offer.....I left it up to wreck to decide and I was very honored that the night crew suggested robots avi....while I sneaked back last night to see what may become of my challenge for "what is a biilb" robots signed on to defend his avi....(robots....please trust me, I would never have accepted your avi - I say that with utmost respect - ask anyone - when I first started posting, it was because of your posts that brought me to SM). I am happy as everyone else that robots signed on and I hope he comes back soon and often......Maybe join the Night Crew as that is where the real action is...... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:07:19 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 01:11:56 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
Hey CBB.....
Thanks for the avi offer.....I left it up to wreck to decide and I was very honored that the night crew suggested robots avi....while I sneaked back last night to see what may become of my challenge for "what is a biilb" robots signed on to defend his avi....(robots....please trust me, I would never have accepted your avi - I say that with utmost respect - ask anyone - when I first started posting, it was because of your posts that brought me to SM). I am happy as everyone else that robots signed on and I hope he comes back soon and often......Maybe join the Night Crew as that is where the real action is...... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyCool:: You are as valued as Robots! Although, you bestowed me with the "honors" of selecting your Avi -- I don't need that burden!!  ::MonkeyDevil::  I respectfully resign my commission!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 01:15:57 AM
billb, you can use my smugglin' boat. ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 01:23:08 AM
billb, you can use my smugglin' boat. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess you saw I had my eye on your boat last night!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 01:24:30 AM
Wreck, I sure was thankful that you were here during the day. ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 01:25:46 AM
billb, you can use my smugglin' boat. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess you saw I had my eye on your boat last night!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's a good boat!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 26, 2009, 01:26:04 AM
Good Night All!


Justice for Natalee!  ::MonkeyAngel::

I Stand with the Girl! Tick Tock Tick Tock!  ::MonkeyGavel::

Aruba Sucks! I Hate Them All!

Its Coming Aruba...Get Ready! Tick Tock Tick Tock!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:26:10 AM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.


I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!
I'm bumping this again from my posts last night because I feel it is related to the powerful/emotional discussions today....I think it still fits in what Kermit revealed...but of course that is MOO.

I don't think for a moment that Dave H. or Tim M. condoned anything wrt to what the persistence POS and cover-up dis-info crew were doing real time...I think that it is a POSSIBILITY that only after hindsight when Dave and Tim realized they were scammed...and that aruba disposed of any evidence/remains from the cage/trap....they decided to play the hand they were dealt.
That doesn't mean they completely gave in....there is more to follow I am sure. Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....that is what my gut tells me.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 01:27:03 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:28:04 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
Hey CBB.....
Thanks for the avi offer.....I left it up to wreck to decide and I was very honored that the night crew suggested robots avi....while I sneaked back last night to see what may become of my challenge for "what is a biilb" robots signed on to defend his avi....(robots....please trust me, I would never have accepted your avi - I say that with utmost respect - ask anyone - when I first started posting, it was because of your posts that brought me to SM). I am happy as everyone else that robots signed on and I hope he comes back soon and often......Maybe join the Night Crew as that is where the real action is...... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
::MonkeyCool:: You are as valued as Robots! Although, you bestowed me with the "honors" of selecting your Avi -- I don't need that burden!!  ::MonkeyDevil::  I respectfully resign my commission!  ::MonkeyGavel::
Resignation accepted - respectfully......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 01:28:25 AM
OT

Ted Kennedy has passed away.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 01:31:18 AM

Dawn of Understanding

We all have wondered why so many voiced their support of Aruba and its investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway – in the face of evidence showing its lackluster actions.

Here is some understanding as to why one individual may have done so.

It will never cease to amaze me the number and types of individuals who trampled Natalee further in an effort to better themselves financially, as this individual seems to have done.

I wonder if things would have been different, had it been his own daughter who was abducted and killed on Aruba.

It seems Mr Rizzo’s prior connection to Aruba, and apparent intimate friendships with members of its law enforcement not only played a big part in his very vocal efforts to squelch the “BOYCOTT” at a governmental level, but also seemingly afforded him big rewards. 

Has this man no shame?

 

Jen

Both my DIL and I sincerely want to know your thoughts.

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

+++++++

PRIOR THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

Page 116:
  Most people are not aware of the facts when they peruse the beautiful travel brochures and Internet Web sites about Aruba and the surrounding paradise islands.  These are not the areas of interest for a potential vacationer who is looking to travel to a foreign country and wants to feel safe.  When browsing through the information, it is hard to believe that an island with that kind of reputation is able to keep such deep, dark secrets.  Had we known that Aruba might be connected with such evil, we would have prevented our daughter from traveling there.

Page 196:  Considering all that had transpired, I changed my position.  In early December 2005, I called Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour's office to ask that he join Alabama Governor Bob Riley and Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee in the travel boycott of Aruba.  Since that time, Georgia Governor Sonny Purdue has also come on board in support of the boycott.  However, I had waitied over a month to hear back from Governor Barbour when he made an announcement that he will not join in on the boycott.  I am surprised that he never responded to me, and I am truly disappointed that he does not feel a boycott is warranted.

I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance.

Page 202:  Had we been knowledgeable about the severe limitations of foreign investigations, we would have prevented our daughter from making the trip to Aruba.  Unfortunately, we learned too late.


FOLLOWING THE HOLLOWAY/MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

Robin Holloway - June 19, 2007
The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »


We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (Mark Purcell) - June 19, 2007
Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »


Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people.

The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0



Good evening good Monkeys....
I'm in catch up mode, but want to comment now before I hear other posts.....

Why did you honestly think that Dave and Robin Holloway did a flip flop in regards to the volunteer travel boycott to Aruba and … put the Aruban economy … the Aruban people … above the safety of other “Natalees”?

Janet

I've said this before in a round about way, and will try to say it again with more emphasis this time around....
The flip flop of Dave (with Robin) with the before/after posts pointed out by Janet......had my hinky meter going off even before the persistence effort. Couple that with the apparent lack of follow up/roll over by both Dave H. and Tim M. after the exposure of the happenings around the persistence search (pictures, videos, Kyle's OWN FRIGGING WORDS)....
I honestly believe there is a more than 50% chance the the POS aruba powers that be have somehow neutralized Dave and Tim's objections to the injustice to Natalee....whether it be an argument that nothing can be gained, Natalee is gone....play ball with us, and be rewarded either through non profit organizations or directly or??? 
I think the confession by urine that Natalee was disposed at sea after convulsions did bring somewhat of a closer to Beth and probably Dave/Tim....That is a very believable scenario and while we all want the perps to be exposed and brought to justice...(I won't rest until I have exhausted my will) that may not be the families main focus anymore. Not that I believe for a second that they have totally given up.....but each of their priorities may have changed to focus on nearer term goals that they deem more important in the given situation. 
MHOO.....     


I realize that quite possibly I am hopelessly naive, but I can't accept that Dave or Tim would look the other way for money.

Nearer term goals that are more important?  I guess I'm not following there.


I never said that Dave/Tim have thrown in the towel...I may have alluded to it though.....
Near term gains that fund other efforts/organizations ...from the enemy....now think about this......
lures them into thinking that the towel has been thrown into the ring....while all the time going forward with the pieces that are being put together that will lead to the perps/cover-up crews demise....
Now...that's priceless!!
I'm bumping this again from my posts last night because I feel it is related to the powerful/emotional discussions today....I think it still fits in what Kermit revealed...but of course that is MOO.

I don't think for a moment that Dave H. or Tim M. condoned anything wrt to what the persistence POS and cover-up dis-info crew were doing real time...I think that it is a POSSIBILITY that only after hindsight when Dave and Tim realized they were scammed...and that aruba disposed of any evidence/remains from the cage/trap....they decided to play the hand they were dealt.
That doesn't mean they completely gave in....there is more to follow I am sure. Justice for Natalee is just around the corner.....that is what my gut tells me.....

Thanks for the reminder billb, I think you are a very smart monkey!
 
::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 01:32:13 AM
OT

Ted Kennedy has passed away.

God rest his soul.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:34:21 AM
billb, you can use my smugglin' boat. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess you saw I had my eye on your boat last night!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's a good boat!
Magnolia.....
It is a good boat....and it is yours....Maybe sometime down the river....with the rights perps onboard.....ktf, wreck, me, and any others that might want to share deliverance with the perps, as in showing them who their maker is.... ::MonkeyDevil:: I'll borrow your boat........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 01:36:36 AM


Speaking of....where is KTF?  I missed him last night too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 01:36:58 AM
billb, you can use my smugglin' boat. ::MonkeyHaHa::

I guess you saw I had my eye on your boat last night!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


It's a good boat!
Magnolia.....
It is a good boat....and it is yours....Maybe sometime down the river....with the rights perps onboard.....ktf, wreck, me, and any others that might want to share deliverance with the perps, as in showing them who their maker is.... ::MonkeyDevil:: I'll borrow your boat........

I would be honored to share it with you at anytime. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 01:47:04 AM

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
And I think of this  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/RescuedByNerds/archives/MrBill.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 01:47:49 AM
Ok.....I'm squealing like a piggy (no offense Kermit ::MonkeyTongue::)
Am I the only one that noticed robots posted last night! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::
(I know I'm not-just said it for effect).
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 01:49:44 AM
No billb - we noticed because it was right after CBB offered YOU his avatar, LOL  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 01:49:55 AM

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
And I think of this  ::MonkeyHaHa::

(http://www.yourmomsbasement.com/RescuedByNerds/archives/MrBill.jpg)

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

OH NO!! MR. BILL!!! 

Well............... I hadn't thought of it, but yeah, I can see that!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 01:50:14 AM
Nite all!  Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 01:51:33 AM
Ok.....I'm squealing like a piggy (no offense Kermit ::MonkeyTongue::)
Am I the only one that noticed robots posted last night! ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance::
(I know I'm not-just said it for effect).
 


I would imagine that has something to do with the number of posters who are here right now!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I think lots of folks would like a chance to say "Welcome Back"!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 26, 2009, 01:51:33 AM
Dave is Hero. I do not discount his efforts.
Although, He is way to nice for the job. He does not have it in him to kick some ass.

He was a Navy Seal. I think he could kick some buttinsky's if he wanted too.
But who knows for sure.

Hi Edward!



Hi Kermit  :smt006

I remember Margarita island.. Venezuela
 At that web site you mentioned, were photos of Amy Bradley, who was listed as one of those girls offered.. ..
2500.00 for a week and a person can pick just one girl or a different girl every day if they want.. umm I am just saying..lol
One if the interesting things about Margarita island is this It is a large Arab Muslim community.
Which raises more Slave possibilities..
 On that island is also a Famous American fellow, who owns a golf course where as your  " caddy " is some half necked girl, or boy.
Also a gambling and night life hot spot for Venezuela and people like Hugo Chavez hang out there..

So I think Margarita was not a waste of time at all... That is Amy Bradley..

There are lots of these Adult Vacation Spots in the Caribbean..The girls are moved from one to another without notice, so the F.B.I. on a mission would have a hard time catching up with her.. BUT Then again I do not think they are even trying..jmho

Black Beards resort is another one.. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 01:52:29 AM
Nite all!  Justice for Natalee!

Night Klaas! Sleep Well and God Bless!!! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 01:55:10 AM
Nite all!  Justice for Natalee!

Good night Klaas!  Thanks for all you do!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:02:06 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
CBB....bilbo the character is good for me...what would the avi look like/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 02:05:03 AM
It's 2:00am here, and I was really dragging today at work from being up so late last night. I'm turning in.

Robots? If you should make it into the cage tonight, can I please ask you to do me a favor? 

Show up at 10:00 Eastern tomorrow night? We'll all have a party!   ::MonkeyDance::

I baked you a welcome back cake tonight, but the candles are getting wax on the frosting!   ::MonkeyTease::

Nite All! Justice For Natalee! God Bless!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 02:05:53 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
CBB....bilbo the character is good for me...what would the avi look like/


OH! Hang on! I'll get it for you!!!   ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:08:48 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
CBB....bilbo the character is good for me...what would the avi look like/


OH! Hang on! I'll get it for you!!!   ::MonkeyDance::
No worries CBB..
Get some sleep! I'm in no hurry....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:10:04 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
CBB....bilbo the character is good for me...what would the avi look like/


OH! Hang on! I'll get it for you!!!   ::MonkeyDance::
No worries CBB..
Get some sleep! I'm in no hurry....
still the stacking champ.....just saying... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 02:13:13 AM
Hi billb...Did You get an Avi...CBB says that She will make You one if You like....Did You hear that Robots is back?   ::MonkeyCheer4::
Hi Hotping...tm...wreck and all the rest of you beautiful Monkeys...

Hiya, billb!!  I'm at your disposal for anything other than Robot's avi!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

He spoke well of you last night and I'm sure we all owe you a big thanks for deciding you wanted an avi when you did! 

If he doesn't get back soon, I'm going to offer it again to you!   ::MonkeyDevil2::
CBB...
I think I'd like to continue without an avi for now......

Well............. now that it's settled that Robot's avi will remain Robot's, I'll share a funny with you, billb. From the first time I saw you post, I thought "bilbo" when I saw your name!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

I don't know if you're a "Lord of The Rings" fan, but long before they made the movie, I had a lot of respect for the character of bilbo, and he was much revered for his nobleness and sense of humor in the end, so it was a compliment from me! I think it would fit you nicely!   ::MonkeyWink::
CBB....bilbo the character is good for me...what would the avi look like/


OH! Hang on! I'll get it for you!!!   ::MonkeyDance::
No worries CBB..
Get some sleep! I'm in no hurry....
still the stacking champ.....just saying... ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeySlide::  That's a fact!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 02:14:46 AM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:21:58 AM
Dave is Hero. I do not discount his efforts.
Although, He is way to nice for the job. He does not have it in him to kick some ass.

He was a Navy Seal. I think he could kick some buttinsky's if he wanted too.
But who knows for sure.

Hi Edward!



Hi Kermit  :smt006

I remember Margarita island.. Venezuela
 At that web site you mentioned, were photos of Amy Bradley, who was listed as one of those girls offered.. ..
2500.00 for a week and a person can pick just one girl or a different girl every day if they want.. umm I am just saying..lol
One if the interesting things about Margarita island is this It is a large Arab Muslim community.
Which raises more Slave possibilities..
 On that island is also a Famous American fellow, who owns a golf course where as your  " caddy " is some half necked girl, or boy.
Also a gambling and night life hot spot for Venezuela and people like Hugo Chavez hang out there..

So I think Margarita was not a waste of time at all... That is Amy Bradley..

There are lots of these Adult Vacation Spots in the Caribbean..The girls are moved from one to another without notice, so the F.B.I. on a mission would have a hard time catching up with her.. BUT Then again I do not think they are even trying..jmho

Black Beards resort is another one.. 
Edward...this is thought provoking.....if I thought for a moment that my daughter (not saying Amy in this case - although it applies) I would chum up with the enemies themselves to gain insight to her plight...(in reference to why Dave/Tim may be entertaining aruba POS.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:25:18 AM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 02:32:39 AM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

 ::MonkeyDance::

I'll take care of it tomorrow, billb! You sleep well too!  God Bless and goodnight!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 02:33:55 AM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/news1.html

he cu owing to graba joran van der sloot patrick van der eem deteni in radisson hotel y owing to achieve drugs on dje

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/patrick1.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): patrick van der eem the conocido figure cu owing to become so popular después cu past owing to graba in form scondi joran van der sloot now owing to cay close monday night at aruba.

for some time end patrick van der eem is moviendo at aruba y till even was talk of open business at aruba.

seems cu the presencia of patrick van der eem at aruba not was so popular in the area of hotel.

police owing to bay pe also monday y owing to detene in his camber at radisson hotel.

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/patrick2.jpg)

según fuentenan policial just algo first cu 7or past owing to stay deteni. first cu cos owing to arrive so far was have various menaza in direccion of empleadonan of various hotel cual patrick van der eem owing to stay without pay.

past owing to stay at westin where they owing to core cune because the not owing to accomplish cu payment. past owing to stay at hotel river where here niether past owing to pay. occidental seems cu past owing to haci same while cu at radisson they owing to dune till 7or last for pay.

mirando the cantidad of call of menaza cu the hotelnan is hayando the dianan here owing to place cu police owing to cuminsa busca his right. in one v-wagen seems cu the will was moviendo y this was stop in parkinglot.

police owing to bay at radisson y just first cu the deadline of the hotel owing to beat at door y enter the camber y mande plat at once. past owing to worde place at boei y during listramento owing to come achieve cocaina in his power.

at keep at once patrick van der eem owing to cuminsa happen for loco y was enough high según we fuentenan at keep. now the have to give cuenta of the racha of menaza cu the is mandando the dianan here in direccion of the hotelnan tratando at spanta the trahadornan for can scapa the cuentanan open cu the have. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:56:37 AM
http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/news1.html

he cu owing to graba joran van der sloot patrick van der eem deteni in radisson hotel y owing to achieve drugs on dje

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/patrick1.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): patrick van der eem the conocido figure cu owing to become so popular después cu past owing to graba in form scondi joran van der sloot now owing to cay close monday night at aruba.

for some time end patrick van der eem is moviendo at aruba y till even was talk of open business at aruba.

seems cu the presencia of patrick van der eem at aruba not was so popular in the area of hotel.

police owing to bay pe also monday y owing to detene in his camber at radisson hotel.

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diamars/noticia/patrick2.jpg)

según fuentenan policial just algo first cu 7or past owing to stay deteni. first cu cos owing to arrive so far was have various menaza in direccion of empleadonan of various hotel cual patrick van der eem owing to stay without pay.

past owing to stay at westin where they owing to core cune because the not owing to accomplish cu payment. past owing to stay at hotel river where here niether past owing to pay. occidental seems cu past owing to haci same while cu at radisson they owing to dune till 7or last for pay.

mirando the cantidad of call of menaza cu the hotelnan is hayando the dianan here owing to place cu police owing to cuminsa busca his right. in one v-wagen seems cu the will was moviendo y this was stop in parkinglot.

police owing to bay at radisson y just first cu the deadline of the hotel owing to beat at door y enter the camber y mande plat at once. past owing to worde place at boei y during listramento owing to come achieve cocaina in his power.

at keep at once patrick van der eem owing to cuminsa happen for loco y was enough high según we fuentenan at keep. now the have to give cuenta of the racha of menaza cu the is mandando the dianan here in direccion of the hotelnan tratando at spanta the trahadornan for can scapa the cuentanan open cu the have. come across
Peter de Vries and Patrick van der eem used Beth for ratings in my opinion....Sure, thery outed urine, which came to nothng wrt prosecutions of the perps...
If Peter de Vries ....is for real....he needs a power packed outing of paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido to be believable and on the side for Justice for Natalee....time passed for pete...time to man up or go away....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 02:58:04 AM
Good night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is right around the corner...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 03:03:55 AM
Good night Good Monkeys...
Justice for Natalee is right around the corner...

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::

And I agree, Peter DeVries needs to reveal the "real" Paulus...I think the rest will fall in place when that happens.  JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 03:09:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 03:33:31 AM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2760/datelinedavehollowaygdh.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 08:29:12 AM
Speaking of being bought.

Here is yet one more who spouted off on behalf of Aruba - and it appears Mr Cohen had a vested interest all along.


http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=21332
         
Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 8 JANUARY 1997 under serial number 21371.0 is the company with the tradename:
 
COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA  
 
Business address   L.G. SMITH BLVD. 101, NOORD
Legal form    COOPERATIVE SOCIETY
Name of the   COOPERATIEVE VERENIGING MARRIOTT VACATION CLUB INTERNATIONAL OF ARUBA
company/foundation/association:   
Statutory seat    ARUBA
Date of   8 JANUARY 1997
incorporation/commencement:   
      
 
BOARD MEMBERS/AUTHORIZED PERSONS
 
COHEN, ALLAN STEVEN;
Residing in    9613 ELDWICK WAY , POTOMAC, MD 20854, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., CONNECTICUT on 9 AUGUST 1944
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    PRESIDENT
Effective    23 FEBRUARY 2004
 
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
REILLY, MICHAEL JOSEPH;
Residing in    8500 COSTA VERDE DRIVE MYRTLE BEACH, 29572 SC, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., NEW YORK on 12 JANUARY 1947
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    VICE-PRESIDENT
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
KNOX, FRANK RIVIERE;
Residing in    1940 DUGAN DRIVE CHARLOTTE, NC 28270, U.S.A.
Born in    U.S.A., TENNESSEE on 30 JUNE 1950
Nationality    AMERICAN
Position    SECRETARY/TREASURER
Effective    5 OCTOBER 2006
Authority    RESTRICTED
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY
 
TO PROMOTE THE MATERIAL INTERESTS OF ITS MEMBERS BY PROVIDING THEM RESORT-ACCOMODATIONS: AS FAR AS THE A-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE A-MEMBER/ USAGE PERIOD IN ARUBA OR ELSEWHERE AND BY PROVIDING COMMERCIAL WORKING-SPACES AS FAR AS THE B-MEMBER IS CONCERNED DURING THE B-MEMBER/USAGE PERIOD.
TO PROMOTE THIS PURPOSE THE ASSOCIATION CAN ON ITS OWN DISCRETION TAKE THE NECESSARY RESPECTED LEGAL STRIDES, INCLUDING TO ACQUIRE PRACTICAL THANWELL PERSONAL RIGHTS, SUCH IN REFERENCE TO THE USAGE OF UNITS AND RECREATION- AND OTHER JOINT FACILITIES OF THE RESORT, WHICH IS CREATED BY THE DEVELOPER, DEVELOPED AND BUILT.


Are you sure this is the same Steve Cohen.  I remember researching his interests, etc.  There was a Steve Cohen, pornographer, that did not have the same likeness.  I don't recall any "Allan" linked to the marketing "Steve Cohen".   :smt102 :smt102

Buckeye, I saw this last night and looked into it a bit.  I did find where an Allan Steve (Steve Allan) Cohen was voted out of the Presidency this summer.  It looks like he uses the Allan name more than the Steve.  However, the age on his bio seems right.

I think I need to do a bit more digging.  Thank you for bringing this up.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 08:34:48 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::

I have a comment that I'll post right here. ::MonkeyCool::

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on August 26, 2009, 08:42:58 AM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::

I have a comment that I'll post right here. ::MonkeyCool::

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 08:47:20 AM
JennyM
Object of Obsession
Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Posts: 5282

   
Reply with quote
Post 

    FocusFactor wrote:


    How much was that amount supposedly, JennyM?

    Wasn't that in the hundreds and Robin gave her $$ twice?
    And was that donation on the down-low from Dave, or did they both want to support VC and the frozen and nonfrozen multiple birthing cats?



VC told me that RH sent a donation via Doobie of around $300.


A donation to RU?

I'm just trying to catch up, so this may have already been answered.

A donation to "VC" (VictimsCry) admin of RU for personal issues.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: WhiskeyGirl on August 26, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
Patrick was a self made man with a family.  After the show, I have to wonder if the power that be in Aruba and the Hague/Netherlands helped to undo all his business success and destroy his family.  

I haven't heard much about Patrick for some time.  Did his business vanish?  Just like Natalee?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 10:02:25 AM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 10:06:41 AM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 10:40:29 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::    No zoom in the zoom today.

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 12:07:32 PM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind  ::MonkeyCool::

I love it.  He looks kind and wise....exactly how I think of billb.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 12:17:19 PM
Buckeye - I believe this would be the Steve Cohen you were thinking of?  Jewish pornographer.  He is Steven Michael Cohen, and is way too young to be "our" Steve Cohen, IMO.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-pornography-cohen.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 12:27:33 PM
A reminder of who Steve Cohen is.

Posted/translated by Getagrip:


Court TV creator becomes spokesperson for the Strategic Communications Task Force of Aruba
According to Steve Cohen, we have to straighten out Aruba’s image
DIARIO Aruba
12/03/2005

ORANJESTAD(AAN): A press conference given by the Strategic Communications Task Force (SCT) took place on Friday, where the CEO of AHATA and members of the SCT that they held a meeting and they came to the decision to name a special person to be spokesperson for SCT, for everything that has to do with the case of Natalee Holloway.

ATIA’s president, Serge Mansur, said that the decision was to name Steve Cohen for this post.

Steve Cohen has worked as a reporter and presenter in the US, where he was a ‘Senior News Executive’ in Los Angeles and New York.

According to Mr. Mansur, Cohen is one of the creators and producer of the famous Court TV in the US, where he had experience in more than 150 big cases in the courts of the US.
Steve Cohen was also vice president of CBS during 12 years.

This person was on the case from the beginning and has been coming to Aruba since 1979.

Steve Cohen took the podium, where he thanked those who gave him the position of spokesperson.

According to Cohen, 6 months ago, Aruba was a country that was considered as safe, where tourists were safe in their beloved vacations.

Now, 6 months later Aruba is still the same, but the image that the US has o Aruba has changed, because of a worried family and others who think that Aruba did not act fast enough, speak and think badly of Aruba.

The objective in the months to come is to change this back. We do not have the amount of criminality that America has and we have one of the best police corps in the area of the Caribbean.

This, according to Cohen, who said that this is the message that has to be heard for Americans, but Beth Twitty is still saying that the judicial system of Aruba is not working and that it is corrupt.

The fact that a person or family is sad, does not take away that they always have to speak the truth about what has happened. According to Cohen, his role is going to be to let the truth continue to prevail.

The press asked Cohen how he thinks he will do this. According to Cohen, he will try to go on talk shows to try to relay his message to Americans.

SCT also will work closely with the Public Ministry and the investigators of this case, where they will try to let representatives of the Public Ministry or the group of investigators go on one of these programs, after they have had good coaching.

He said that attorney Arlene Ellis Schipper has done a tremendous job, but cannot confront alone all those that they have put against her in the American programs.
Posted by Getagrip at 12/03/2005 11:39:00 PM


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 12:31:31 PM
Which brings us here, and which also means I had the wrong Steve Cohen as President of that Mariott Co-op.


STEPHEN J. COHEN 
CEO, Director
President, Diverse Television Group

Mr. Cohen brings Diverse Media Group, Inc. a vision honed during a career at the forefront of emerging media platforms. Previously president of Hometeam LLC, a Seattle-based company which received millions in private investment, he also has served as consultant for the launch of the entrepreneur-funded Dyson News Network (DNN).

He served as president of the American Transportation Television Network, an early direct to satellite private equity start-up in the early 1990’s. He was also the founding executive producer of Court TV, and was responsible for the launching of the cable network and the selection and coverage of many high profile cases.

As vice-president and general manager of the CBS owned and operated television station in Philadelphia, and the Chris Craft television station in Salt Lake City, Mr. Cohen had bottom line responsibilities for those properties and led the creative teams responsible for program development and marketing.

He has operated, as a senior news executive, many of the most prestigious and largest local newsrooms in the United States. While at CBS, he was the news director of both WCBS TV and KCBS TV. Throughout those years, he mentored, hired and guided the careers of many of today’s best know electronic journalists.

While at Chris Craft television, Mr. Cohen redesigned the newscasts in Los Angeles, and created a contemporary and investigative design that focused upon community issues.

As a consultant, Mr. Cohen developed non –state run media opportunities in China for investors; opened new markets for film production in Beijing; and created new network cable concepts for emerging media interests.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:44:53 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::

I have a comment that I'll post right here. ::MonkeyCool::

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?


Can,

Yes, long ago there was a photo of Boeti's accommodations.  Was sort of a lawn chair and cooler hidden in the bushes.  I always wondered why he was allowed to be a Peeping Tom on the tourists as he so openly admitted to being and even bragged about all he saw.

You don't see that in the brochures for sure!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 12:48:42 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2760/datelinedavehollowaygdh.jpg)


Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 01:08:52 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2760/datelinedavehollowaygdh.jpg)


Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.
Yes, that is not a man who could simply "switch sides". That is the look of a man who is close to being "beaten". I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 01:34:00 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::

I have a comment that I'll post right here. ::MonkeyCool::

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?


Can,

Yes, long ago there was a photo of Boeti's accommodations.  Was sort of a lawn chair and cooler hidden in the bushes.  I always wondered why he was allowed to be a Peeping Tom on the tourists as he so openly admitted to being and even bragged about all he saw.

You don't see that in the brochures for sure!

Hi Anna, it wasn't me that commented, however I do remember Boeti's chair in the bushes etc.

Where was the hotel security - the hotels should be vested in protecting their tourists.  Not so in Aruba, I'm afraid.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 01:37:23 PM
I could never imagine that Dave Holloway would switch sides.

Dave is on his daughter's side!  MO.

I think it was on Larry King that Dave mentioned possible heart problems, iirc.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 01:42:10 PM
(http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/2760/datelinedavehollowaygdh.jpg)


Wreck,
This is from the video where Dave Holloway is so tired and weary.  I believe he also did express some concern about his own health.  That's what I was talking about last night.  There just comes a time when a parent has to back off.  I have reached that point myself twice in my lifetime but knew if I kept going, I was the one who was going to ultimately suffer.  We are each of us ultimately the only one who can act to protect our own health and sanity.  No one else can do that for us.  Hard choice for sure but sometimes living to fight another day is the best we can do.
Yes, that is not a man who could simply "switch sides". That is the look of a man who is close to being "beaten". I agree.

Speaking of pictures...I still visualize Dave digging in that g**awful dump and remember all too well the image of him beachside Aruba - kneeling in front of the cross someone erected for Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 26, 2009, 01:59:55 PM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 02:29:12 PM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 02:30:11 PM
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/4680723/__Patrick_van_der_Eem_opgepakt__.html?p=31,2

Google translation:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/08252009_DeTelegraph_PatrickvanderE.jpg)

I'm going back to read the 131 comments now.   ::MonkeyWink::

I have a comment that I'll post right here. ::MonkeyCool::

Isn't it interesting that Patrick would be arrested for such crimes - when the likes of Boeti Naar are free to wander the streets and beaches of that rock?

Boeti being a KNOWN drug dealer and all.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Boeti should still be serving time for this...but who really knows whether or not he is.  Interesting to me that Boeti chose to remain silent in the case.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4044.30;wap2

texasmom:
11/10/08 Awe Mainta Page 4

http://www.awemainta.com/edicionan/1/pdf/04.pdf



12 year y 6 month of jail reparti in are cu owing to try exporta 10 kilo of cocaina for francia

one overall of 12 year y 6 month of jail owing to stay reparti for one are of 5 person, kendenan was envolvi in the exportacion of 10 kilo of cocaina for francia. apart from the castigo here, owing to stay confisca 37 thousand dollar. basicamente huez owing to reduci the castigo for 4 of the 5 sospechosonan, because in cierto sense they owing to coopera cu the investigacion. huez owing to aplaudi the cooperacion of the mulanan, kendenan owing to trece at claridad, kendenan was behind the transporte here. day 3 of july 2008, miembronan of douane haciendo usage of they cachonan across from drugs, owing to come descubri the lote of 10 kilo of cocaina. the instant ey owing to detene the two mulanan cu already was in the plane. is deal here of fatbardh kotili y eleni giazitzi of grecia. this owing to conduci at detencion of matilda nallbati of italia, jacqueline behaj altarriba of albania y xavier naar of aruba. in the caso here owing to confisca 37 thousand dollar in the bedroom of hotel caminda nallbati y behai alraribba was kedando. fiscal owing to exigi 3 year y 6 month of jail for kotili, giazitzi y nallbati while cu for bejah altaribba y for naar past owing to exigi 4 year y 6 month of jail. t’asina cu during tratamento of the caso naar not owing to declara nothing. past owing to tell cu the is haci usage of his derecho of silencio. huez his decision is cu the do not achieve cu kotili y giazitzi was know of the cantidad of drugs. besides past owing to aplaudi the mature cu they owing to coopera cu the investigacion y the show kendenan was envolvi in the traficacion here. for thing is deal the transporte of the drugs, huez is achieve cu kotili together cu giazitzi owing to haci this. nallbati is wordo considera because; complice. huez owing to show cu investigacion is indica cu nallbati was the traductor in the combersacionnan among the french bahaj altarriba y the aruban xavier naar, kendenan t’e grandinan in the traficacion here. past owing to condena kotili y giazitzi at 1 year y mey of jail while cu nallbati owing to wordo condena at 2 year y mey of jail. for thing is deal bahaj altarriba, past owing to wordo condena at 3 year y mey y xavier naar also. the 37 thousand dollar is stay confisca. huez owing to give orden for destrui the 10 kilo of cocaina


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 02:36:18 PM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

I can't imagine Patrick's being allowed to check into all of those hotels without a credit card or prepayment either.  The whole thing smells of setup to me.  Probably just one step of many to once again release Joran as a suspect.  I can just imagine who was involved in the planning of this one.  And in the process discredit Peter DeVries in the public view so that any further revelations will be viewed with skepticism.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMO



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 02:46:28 PM
Not only do major hotels want a valid credit card from me, they often charge the first night immediately.  Guess I just don't know how to work this.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 02:54:16 PM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

I can't imagine Patrick's being allowed to check into all of those hotels without a credit card or prepayment either.  The whole thing smells of setup to me.  Probably just one step of many to once again release Joran as a suspect.  I can just imagine who was involved in the planning of this one.  And in the process discredit Peter DeVries in the public view so that any further revelations will be viewed with skepticism.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMO



I never thought of that, TM.  I just couldn't get past non-payment in more than one big hotel. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 26, 2009, 03:13:46 PM
I am in no way "justifying" what Dave has done. I am in fact just pointing out why I think Dave has succumbed. I agree that this is undoubtedly undermining Natalee. I agree that it very disturbing and wrong. I just don't think Dave is "corrupt". I don't think he took a pay-off.

Wreck - I agree.  I do not doubt that Dave Holloway loves Natalee and would have done anything to get her back.  I don't think Dave is corrupt and I don't think anyone in the Holloway/Twitty family has taken any "pay offs".  I do believe that knowing WHO TO TRUST in Aruba has been hard for the Holloway/Twitty's just as it has been hard for others.

Thank you.......and ITA!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 26, 2009, 03:15:46 PM
Janet - I cannot believe that Dave Holloway would knowingly undermine anything pertaining to justice for Natalee.  Not knowingly.

And again......I do agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 03:40:23 PM
Dompig is the brother in law of Boeti Naar

Joe

No, we talked to a lot of ppl including Boeti to other witnesses but it'a hard , we did not talk to the Kalpoes. they have a lawyer and we respect that. I think they just want to disappear.

Greta;

Boeti I'm fixated on, he's someone who hangs out on the beach may live on the beach, he has a criminal history. He's there sometimes at night, has access to a boat, is the brother in law to Dompig. DO you have any info on him?

Joe

Most importantly he had a hut on the beach that had a direct shot into the room that Natalee stayed in. He lived in the beach hut, literally stayed there, the climate permits that.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 03:41:07 PM
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7030/blondepicofdaveholloway.jpg)


(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2602/davehollowayinarubabycr.jpg)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 03:42:11 PM
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6392/realitymips.jpg)
Robin and Dave Holloways buddies


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
I'm not sure exactly who in Aruba I would consider trustworthy.  Can't think of anybody off the top of my head.  Maybe Jossy to some extent but his heart has to be with Aruba as he was even born there.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 03:55:14 PM
I'm not sure exactly who in Aruba I would consider trustworthy.  Can't think of anybody off the top of my head.  Maybe Jossy to some extent but his heart has to be with Aruba as he was even born there.
One by one those that sparked hope fell by the wayside.
I remember when I thought Moss would fight his heart out to get justice for Natalee.
I'd like to hear from Jossy again.  Wish Dana would have him as a guest.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 03:56:44 PM
(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/7030/blondepicofdaveholloway.jpg)


(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/2602/davehollowayinarubabycr.jpg)


Indelible and heartbreaking images.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 04:28:26 PM
Klaas and mrs. Red appear to concur.

My position has stood firm since the summer of 2006 ... since the Mark Purcell/Holloway connection.  The ongoing relationship with both Mark Purcell and John Silvetti does not make sense when the compilation of Mark Purcell's past posts and ... Kyle Kingman's own words are considered.

Janet

++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


JULY, 2007 - FOLLOWING DAVE AND ROBIN'S DENOUNCMENT OF THE BOYCOTT

Tamikosmom
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2007, 07:57:23 PM »


Ms. Red ... I believe that logic dictates that that individual family members at some given time have to move on with life even if it means that justice is not forthcoming for Natalee.  However ... that does not explain the relationship Robin and Dave has established with the enemy.

Mark Purcell has submitted countless posts to internet forums upholding Julia Renfro.  Julia Renfro proclaims the innocence of Joran and  and ... she creates smokescreens discrediting both Natalee and Beth.

Ms. Red ... it is not rocket science ... something is not right in regards to this relationship.

My underlying reason for devoting the past two years to the Natalee Holloway case has been to uphold the family in their contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was denying Natalee justice ... a corrupt Aruban investigation was distancing Paulus and Joran from implication.  I have never wavered from that support for one minute and ... now members of the the family are changing positions ...

I am so discouraged.

Janet

_______


Julia Renfro
LA Time - June 4, 2007


… A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said.  "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if Holloway died on the island. She — and many Arubans — doubts the three suspects, who were all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, leaving no forensic evidence behind and never caving in to the intense pressure of interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts later given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculates. She might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised in a CBS interview last year. She might have climbed aboard one of the dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers moored off the beach for late-night partying after a concert nearby.

Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within a few hours, Twitty had concluded Van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071


mrs. Red
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »


Janet, I do agree that yes, life does and should move on....

but why sleep with the enemy???

Notice no one says that Beth doesn't support a boycott....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 04:39:27 PM
Apparently Peter DeVries was on a TV show, and GBMW did a translation of what was said:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Host:
Patrick van der Eem has been arrested in Aruba. He was in posession of coke, he threathened people and he hadn't paid his bills. How does a news report like that come across for you?

Peter R. de Vries:
Well, I was very pleased to hear that the Aruban police rushes out in full force if you haven't paid your hotel bill...

Host:
They never did that with you?


Peter R. de Vries:
....because I also know the story of someone who has confessed he has let an innocent girl die...and who has hidden the body; and lied about that in a horrible way to the whole world and especially the mother of the girl and who is walking around freely. And the Aruban police often doesn't have time when tips are coming in...so this is very good news.


Host:
With a long haul you've made your point. (laughing)... Your point is taken.
Does is surpise you he has been arrested? Not police wise but concerning Patrick...

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not really surprised.

Host:
You knew he was a bit like that?

Peter R. de Vries;
Uhmm...well the man is temperamentful...let me put it that way... (laughing) And from that point I'm not that surprised he's facing such a situation.

Host:
Does is annoy you that he's very often being linked to you when something is going on with him...and of course concerning Joran?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not annoyed by that. He's worked for us at the time...has done a good job...and we didn't work with him because he's a reverend or something. We worked with him because Joran van der Sloot..well...looked up to him. He was charmed by him. He was the right person for that job at the time.

Host:
It doesn't make your case against Joran a bit doubtful?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, not at all. That would have been so if the case was based on what Patrick van der Eem stated. If he would have been the one saying that "Joran told me..." and you have to believe me on my pretty blue eyes this is true. Then you could think...well can we really trust this man?But the great thing about that broadcast was of course that we heard and saw Joran van der Sloot himself stating that he was present when Natalee died and that he had let the body disappear in the ocean and that he didn't lose any sleep over it. Joran himself stated that...for that it doesn't matter whether or not Patrick did or did not pay his hotel bill.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6392/realitymips.jpg)
Robin and Dave Holloways buddies

 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 04:56:32 PM
Klaas and mrs. Red appear to concur.

My position has stood firm since the summer of 2006 ... since the Mark Purcell/Holloway connection.  The ongoing relationship with both Mark Purcell and John Silvetti does not make sense when the compilation of Mark Purcell's past posts and ... Kyle Kingman's own words are considered.

Janet

++++++


klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


JULY, 2007 - FOLLOWING DAVE AND ROBIN'S DENOUNCMENT OF THE BOYCOTT

Tamikosmom
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #194 on: July 03, 2007, 07:57:23 PM »


Ms. Red ... I believe that logic dictates that that individual family members at some given time have to move on with life even if it means that justice is not forthcoming for Natalee.  However ... that does not explain the relationship Robin and Dave has established with the enemy.

Mark Purcell has submitted countless posts to internet forums upholding Julia Renfro.  Julia Renfro proclaims the innocence of Joran and  and ... she creates smokescreens discrediting both Natalee and Beth.

Ms. Red ... it is not rocket science ... something is not right in regards to this relationship.

My underlying reason for devoting the past two years to the Natalee Holloway case has been to uphold the family in their contention that a corrupt Aruban investigation was denying Natalee justice ... a corrupt Aruban investigation was distancing Paulus and Joran from implication.  I have never wavered from that support for one minute and ... now members of the the family are changing positions ...

I am so discouraged.

Janet

_______


Julia Renfro
LA Time - June 4, 2007


… A mother of four, Renfro spent weeks shuttling the family from the scene of one rumored development to another but eventually became disenchanted with what she saw as Twitty's pandering to tabloid TV and "flat-out lies" she told on the air.

"I feel guilty saying any negative thing about a mother who has lost her daughter," Renfro said.  "But her behavior was odd from the get-go."

Renfro has concluded that the body would have turned up by now if Holloway died on the island. She — and many Arubans — doubts the three suspects, who were all good students without criminal records, could have pulled off a perfect crime, leaving no forensic evidence behind and never caving in to the intense pressure of interrogations.

"I've spoken with all of the suspects," she said. "I don't believe any of them did anything to her."

Heavily intoxicated, according to accounts later given by her classmates to the FBI, Holloway could have staggered into the sea and drowned after the local men left her, Renfro speculates. She might have died of alcohol poisoning or a drug overdose and washed out to sea, as Deputy Police Chief Gerold Dompig surmised in a CBS interview last year. She might have climbed aboard one of the dozens of catamarans and cabin cruisers moored off the beach for late-night partying after a concert nearby.

Renfro says she was perplexed when Twitty immediately concluded that her daughter had been kidnapped and made no effort to check hospitals or police about accident victims. Within a few hours, Twitty had concluded Van der Sloot was responsible, and within a couple of days she was telling TV interviewers that she knew her daughter had been gang-raped and murdered....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071


mrs. Red
Lively Case Discussion #650 7/3 - 7/4/2007
« Reply #197 on: July 03, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »


Janet, I do agree that yes, life does and should move on....

but why sleep with the enemy???

Notice no one says that Beth doesn't support a boycott....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1290.msg192071;topicseen#msg192071



Why is the issue of Dave Holloway's association with "the enemy" so important to you?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 04:57:55 PM
Jen thanks for the interview (translated by GBMW).

I get that Joran's on video and his admissions were his own words. 
I do wish Eem was a little cleaner.  I wonder if he was set-up and I wait to hear his defense.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 04:58:50 PM

(http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6392/realitymips.jpg)
Robin and Dave Holloways buddies

 ::MonkeyWaa::



MARK PURCELL

Robin Holloway
BFN


I have made a lot of good friends here at BFN and other sites. I appreciate the efforts everyone has gone to in trying to help us out. Thank you to everyone. I have had the pleasure of talking and communicating with several on this board and would like to thank them and everyone, including especially Debbie, and thanks to Rammstein, Reality, MIP6 and gagirl for their help also.  I know everyone won't agree on everything, but we need to keep focus on the real issue, Natalee.
 
August 21, 2006, 03:07:49 PM »


Robin Holloway
BFN


MIP6 is doing everything he can to help us find her and hope his initial post here will resolve some of the rumors. We appreciate him so much and we want to thank Reality for putting Dave and I personally in contact with him. They both, like we all do, want so much for Natalee to be found!

November 17, 2006, 09:34:35 PM »


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:44 am

Dave made that email public to further bolster his book, remember, “Corruption in Paradise”. His other reason was to continue the hate campaign his ex started and he so whole-heartedly joined into.  He is nothing more than a neutered male version of Beth; I can’t stand any of them.

http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/post-21893.html&highlight=#21893


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2006 7:43 am

Are the pages from Dave’s work of fiction soft when you wipe with them?


Doc Holladay PostPosted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:06 pm

For me one of the main things I would like to see other than Natalee coming out of hiding is for Jug & Beth to make a public apology to ... the families of J2K for all the hate that the B&J lies have brought to there door steps.


MIP6
New Member
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 16


I figure with my next post I should get the boot, haven’t decided which one to use yet the Beth lies or denouncing the Sainthood of Natalee. I have way too much fun watching them all freak out.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=24191#post24191



JOHN SILVETTI

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.


oceanexploration
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #739 3/3 -
« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2008, 05:47:47 PM »


Video 2: Dec 30th - ROV and Diver visual-only inspection of trap.  This is the dive Dateline and Tim Miller witnessed, also the dive footage the screen captures I made came from that were posted by Robin at BNH.  I sent these 6 screen shots to the FBI and the FBI only. I was shocked to see them posted.  I thought we had a security breach on the boat from my workstation or a leak from the FBI.  Turns out the FBI gave them to Dave H. after he couldn't get them from me.  After Tim Miller told Dave that we found her in a trap with 99.9% certainty (this is pre-diver inspection), Dave very reasonably requested them from me.  I badly wanted to send them to him, but couldn't.  Apparently, shortly therafter the FBI send the screen shots to Dave anyway, and therefore Robin had them.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2668.msg360047;topicseen#msg360047

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 05:12:40 PM
JOHN SILVETTI

jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »


The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979


Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »»


Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 05:22:45 PM
Janet....what is the point? 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 05:24:00 PM



Why is the issue of Dave Holloway's association with "the enemy" so important to you?


The same reason that Monkeys from the getgo have focused on any person who has a relationship with those who have an Aruban agenda ... even our prodical Monkeys.  Monkeys have never given anyone who cohorts with the enemy a pass except for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.

Klass said it best.

Magnolia ... I did cry when I view all the pictures of Dave Holloway's quest for justice ... pictures take prior to Robin and his connection with Mark Purcell.

Janet

+++++

klaasend
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #812 3/27/09 -
« Reply #703 on: March 30, 2009, 06:27:39 PM »


My loyalty is also with Natalee and secondly her biological mother Beth.  I find it very difficult to feel any loyalty to Robin's husband when Robin posts along side of Renfro/Mark Purcell, Reality and other Beth haters.

IMO part of the reasons this case has not been solved is by family members (Robin Holloway) cohorting with the enemy.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4766.msg745322#msg745322


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 05:28:33 PM
Here's a fun one for all old timer BFNers to figure out.

Think of PV's from Aruba when you read this........and think of all the BFN translator's posts....

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24537

HINT - Their translator has a DIRECT connection to Aruba.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 05:36:12 PM
Apparently Peter DeVries was on a TV show, and GBMW did a translation of what was said:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Host:
Patrick van der Eem has been arrested in Aruba. He was in posession of coke, he threathened people and he hadn't paid his bills. How does a news report like that come across for you?

Peter R. de Vries:
Well, I was very pleased to hear that the Aruban police rushes out in full force if you haven't paid your hotel bill...

Host:
They never did that with you?


Peter R. de Vries:
....because I also know the story of someone who has confessed he has let an innocent girl die...and who has hidden the body; and lied about that in a horrible way to the whole world and especially the mother of the girl and who is walking around freely. And the Aruban police often doesn't have time when tips are coming in...so this is very good news.


Host:
With a long haul you've made your point. (laughing)... Your point is taken.
Does is surpise you he has been arrested? Not police wise but concerning Patrick...

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not really surprised.

Host:
You knew he was a bit like that?

Peter R. de Vries;
Uhmm...well the man is temperamentful...let me put it that way... (laughing) And from that point I'm not that surprised he's facing such a situation.

Host:
Does is annoy you that he's very often being linked to you when something is going on with him...and of course concerning Joran?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not annoyed by that. He's worked for us at the time...has done a good job...and we didn't work with him because he's a reverend or something. We worked with him because Joran van der Sloot..well...looked up to him. He was charmed by him. He was the right person for that job at the time.

Host:
It doesn't make your case against Joran a bit doubtful?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, not at all. That would have been so if the case was based on what Patrick van der Eem stated. If he would have been the one saying that "Joran told me..." and you have to believe me on my pretty blue eyes this is true. Then you could think...well can we really trust this man?But the great thing about that broadcast was of course that we heard and saw Joran van der Sloot himself stating that he was present when Natalee died and that he had let the body disappear in the ocean and that he didn't lose any sleep over it. Joran himself stated that...for that it doesn't matter whether or not Patrick did or did not pay his hotel bill.


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Peter DeVries!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you GBMW for the translation, and jen for bringing it over! 

 ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 05:51:39 PM
Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 05:56:25 PM
Off to supper...see you all later......     ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 06:01:04 PM
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090826/valero-says-aruba-refinery-shut-indefinitely.htm

Valero says Aruba refinery shut indefinitely

Posted 26 August 2009 @ 02:19 pm ET

 
Valero Energy Corp (VLO.N) said on Wednesday it would keep its 235,000 barrel-per-day (bpd) Aruba refinery shut indefinitely as economic conditions have not improved to the point where the plant can operate profitably.

Valero shut the refinery in July for what was planned to be a shutdown lasting between two and three months due to poor economics. (Reporting by Erwin Seba)
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 06:01:48 PM
Aw really?  No takers?  This one is a fun one.

And I don't remember - has Debbie been banned from here?  I expect her to scold me at any moment.  ::MonkeyCool::


Here's a fun one for all old timer BFNers to figure out.

Think of PV's from Aruba when you read this........and think of all the BFN translator's posts....

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24537

HINT - Their translator has a DIRECT connection to Aruba.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 26, 2009, 06:02:40 PM
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20090826/valero-says-aruba-refinery-shut-indefinitely.htm

Valero says Aruba refinery shut indefinitely

Posted 26 August 2009 @ 02:19 pm ET

 
Valero Energy Corp (VLO.N) said on Wednesday it would keep its 235,000 barrel-per-day (bpd) Aruba refinery shut indefinitely as economic conditions have not improved to the point where the plant can operate profitably.

Valero shut the refinery in July for what was planned to be a shutdown lasting between two and three months due to poor economics. (Reporting by Erwin Seba)
 


Thank you very much Klaas.  That is very intriguing news right about now.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2009, 06:04:30 PM
Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 06:12:59 PM
Just an FYI - When I was in the Bahama's this summer, the Atlantis had a 97% occupancy.  Doesn't look like the economy it hurting everywhere.   ::MonkeyDevil2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2009, 06:13:25 PM
KLAAS.YOU HAVE MAIL AT THE SCAREDMONKEY'S.Thank You! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 26, 2009, 06:22:35 PM
Aw really?  No takers?  This one is a fun one.

And I don't remember - has Debbie been banned from here?  I expect her to scold me at any moment.  ::MonkeyCool::


Here's a fun one for all old timer BFNers to figure out.

Think of PV's from Aruba when you read this........and think of all the BFN translator's posts....

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24537

HINT - Their translator has a DIRECT connection to Aruba.  ::MonkeyWink::

Very interresting.  Wonder if she is a sister?  Yes, Debbie has been banned just like she banned me from BFN.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2009, 06:25:47 PM
KLAAS.YOU HAVE MAIL AT THE SCAREDMONKEY'S.Thank You! ::MonkeyCool::

Thanx! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:35:26 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61564.php

Google translation:

Van der Eem arraigned tomorrow

August 26, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/26-aruba-auto-patrick-van-e.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem, who was arrested Monday evening, tomorrow will be brought before the judge. The Public Prosecutor (OM) it is stuck because he was a "very serious" threat has been made against a person. This person, whose name is unknown, it has reported. Van der Eem was then arrested and during the searching, he turned in possession of cocaine. The quantity was not so great according to the OM that "it can be assumed that he acts". The reason he stuck, is not the drug, said spokeswoman Angela Ann, but the threat. "When such serious threats, it is normal that the defendant during the examination is held." Van der Eem was also still have outstanding bills at various hotels on Aruba. Last night was his car for the Radisson hotel, where he stayed during his arrest, carried away (see photo).

Van der Eem gained worldwide fame after a confession with hidden cameras at main suspect Joran van der Sloot on the Natalee Holloway missing person was able to elicit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:40:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61563.php

Google translation:

New scheduled Aruba - Orlando

August 26, 2009, 13:59 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Airline AirTran will start in December this year scheduled flight services to Orlando. This confirms spokesman for Aruba Airport Authority (AAA) Hendrik Croes. This is a long time back directly between Orlando and Aruba consequences. AirTran will start in December also offer flights to Atlanta. This flight is performed by Delta Airlines.

The website would Luchtvaartnieuws.nl applications for international expansion have not been approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, but Croes says the plan is already approved. "It lasted five years, but all I know is around. Becoming weekly flights between the two destinations and Aruba ", said Croes. It is not known on which days to both Atlanta and Orlando will be flown.

AirTran low cost makes it the eighth U.S. carrier with scheduled flights to Aruba. Croes: "The more flights, the better it is for Aruba. Moreover, it is good for competition. "Reina Beatrix Airport continues to negotiate with other airlines, but how many companies will Croes is the non-disclosure. "If it is certain, we will announce it, but rather we can not lose."

According Luchtvaartnieuws.nl, the connection between Orlando and Aruba are new to the island. But that's not entirely true, Croes says: "In the past we had earlier flights. This is indeed a new connection between the two destinations. "

AirTran, a subsidiary of AirTran Holdings, is an airline that specializes in cheap flights for business. The headquarters is located in Orlando, Florida.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:42:56 PM
ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61562.php

Google translation:

Valero remains closed

August 26, 2009, 13:58 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - The U.S. oil company Valero closed the refinery in San Nicolas indefinitely. All maintenance activities are suspended and almost all contract workers who have not been released last month, are still sent home. The permanent staff temporarily retains his job.

Valero says Aruba this morning in a press release. The message seems very unlikely that under the Valero refinery still open. In any case as long as the economy does not recover. The profit margins are too low according to the Texas oil company to restart the refinery. Although she writes in the message that they "consider options for the refinery alive", is in the sense that next sale is excluded. Valero will not lose whether a buyer is and remains vague about the future of the refinery in San Nicolas: "The decisions are determined by economic factors over time."

In mid July, the production was put stop because it paid off not to be run. Valero had then about four months and would still amount to a quarter million of the refinery maintenance investment. In late July the company announced ninety contract workers sending home. Today, only one months later, Valero is closing the doors until further notice. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) showed last week know that one of the candidates, Petro China, has made a bid.

This month also announced that a massive fraud at the refinery has occurred. It is known that at least one manager was fired. Valero will lose nothing about the case except that there is indeed a survey. In sum is not officially known, is discussed in the media at least 5 million U.S. dollars by (Aruba) employees would be obscured.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:49:59 PM
http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

hmmm...from less than a week ago:

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08202009_Bondia_Page20.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 06:50:24 PM
My local stations always shows commercials for Atlantis - Bahama's - I have never seen an ad for Aruba.

Orlando airport (MCO) also just started Jetblue flights to the Bahama's for $59.00 oneway.  Of course, by the time you are done with taxes etc roundtrip tickets are over $300.00.  The flight is only an hour too.

Looks like Aruba was a little late.   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:54:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61561.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Yrausquin challenges Briesen on hanvecontracten

August 26, 2009, 13:57 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - AVP candidate Juan David Yrausquin challenges of Tourism and Transport Minister Edison Briesen from the Spanish investment groups Cruceros de Barcelona, Grupo Trusam and the Terminal Contenedores de Barcelona to declare that they have signed an undertaking to the new port in Barcadera .

"All the time I said that Atia of the procurement process for this project goes wrong and I still believe that." Yrausquin responding to the press conference on Monday Briesen. During the press conference accused the ex-Atia Briesen Chairperson want to sabotage the port project on the basis of "threatening letters" to the Board of Aruba Ports Authority (APA) as well as potential candidates for the port. The minister also hinted to direct family ties with Yrausquin shareholders of stevedoring company Astec that the arbitration case against APA had lost regarding the tendering of the container port.

During the press conference of his party said Yrausquin to turn over documents available to prove that the Aruban government has already decided in advance who operate the various components of the port will be tendered. It would now go to Barcelona for the Cruceros the cruise terminal, Grupo Trusam for the property and the Terminal Contenedores Barcelona on the container port. The first-time politician, the government acts the same way as during the procurement of the controversial dump project. "Ultimately the Minister appoints the committee will ultimately decide who gets hold of the project. A more political decision can not have. "

Yrausquin said to be surprised about how the government will invest 100 million florin in a project where investors do not stop for more than 10 million purchase of the old hotel Bushiri. In other words, the problem Bushiri that cost 10 million to solve funded with an investment of 100 million, says the press release of the young politician. "Of course you get the impression that more is behind this project which is so much to the press before the election to get around," said Yrausquin.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 06:58:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61559.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New telecom coming

August 26, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The solid Telecommunications Commission has discussed the bill this week that after nearly a century of telecommunications is modernized.

The lawmaker says Aron Dino Croes government party MEP. At the meeting were officials from Department of Telecommunications Business (DTZ) and representatives of the privatized telecom Setar present. No less than fifteen years, the government worked on the bill before the first was made in the States. Once it is completed this week in the State Commission, the proposal now in the normal legislative process. The other members of the States can now submit questions in writing to the relevant ministers and then lost the final proposal by the parliament is sitting.

With the new law, said Croes, especially to prevent that new, foreign "adventurers" get in the market, get a license and then sell because they do not have enough money to invest. The loopholes in the old legislation is still possible according to the Staten. "There is a company that now has a license and in many ways by trying to sell." Croes also cites the example of Fabela and a current example of a company that operates through Jamaica. "These matters should be dealt Aruba because very often they do not get the part where it deserves."

Croes criticizes the fact that there are still companies may be established "without business, funding, expertise or structure. They can still simply register with the Chamber of Commerce and Department of Economic Affairs have a license to operate, said the MP.

What the new law means exactly, not Croes writes in his press release. But let him know that DTZ structural changes. There is a separate body which is involved in the monitoring and implementation of policies. When the supervisor will then only be dedicated to shaping policy. The audit will also involve looking at the financial structure, and policy expertise to telecommunications companies that want a license.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 07:04:21 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61560.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

De Meza (AVP) drag newspaper Solo for court

August 26, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/26-aruba-rechtszaak-mike-de.gif)

MP Mike de Meza (AVP) between party supporters after treatment of the interim measures which he morning newspaper Solo di Pueblo accused of libel.

ORANGE CITY - MEP Mike Meza of the opposition party ASF and number three on the electoral list, is a case for libel against newspaper Solo di Pueblo morning started. The pro-government newspaper published an article on August 4 that a close relationship between the entrepreneur and Statenlid Ralph Sanchez of the Race Track controversial project was suggested.

The construction of the racetrack fell through, but wrong procurement policies, as was also noted by the General Court, the government lost millions of florins. These include the substantial damages which they had to pay to Sanchez in a business lawsuit when the project was off. According Solo would come through the testimony of De Meza which the state would have lost 22 million U.S. dollars. De Meza would, though the newspaper very carefully in her statements, "one million" have received for his testimony in favor of Sanchez.

The Meza stretched a lawsuit because the newspaper refused the article of August 4 completely correct. It was the newspaper that made Sanchez one ticket and stay in the United States had paid De Meza. Solo gave the edition of August 14 that she had made a mistake and a friend of the MP concerned. De Meza's lawyer there was no question of a correction in the article as new allegations were made against his client. Meza was the reason that his name and reputation by the newspaper were also affected, straining an interim proceedings. Here again it requires a correction.

The lawyer felt that the Solo Meza in the weekly press conference had enough space to make things clear to the public to understand. He also claimed that the rectification of August 14 by the newspaper would suffice. The other statements in this news article based on documents showing the Meza's involvement in the Race Track project shows, the lawyer said. The newspaper would also not withdraw those statements. The lawyer said that based on the European Convention on Human Rights of the politicians need to accept criticism and gave examples of statements in which the right of the press to freedom of expression is defended.

The court will rule on September 16.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 07:10:23 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61556.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Chinese duo 7 years illegally

August 26, 2009, 13:52 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Police assistance was requested by the office of immigration Dimas, where two men of Chinese descent would exhibit suspicious behavior. Wilhelminastraat after they had crossed the agents found two Chinese LC (31) and D.T. (35) on. Both spoke and could not speak Papiamento no documents stating that they reside legally on the island. But they had their passports with them. it was that 2002 had arrived on Aruba. Both men were immediately arrested and transferred to Costa Guarda nos.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 07:12:53 PM
Janet, I for one have absolutey no problem with you having the opinion that you do. But for you to come on here and say you refuse to post in an "environment" that doesn't support YOUR point of view is ridiculous. Why Dave is doing things that we question is HIS business. I trust that he knows a hell of a lot more than any of us do. I will always give him the benefit of the doubt until I hear it from his own mouth the reasons he does what he does. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 07:34:46 PM
There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.

Janet, I believe the bolded are your interpretions and not what was said by anyone on this forum except you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 07:39:49 PM
To have implied what has been implied with no proof of it, is just wrong. 

And to expect anyone to change their view based on what I've seen was an unrealistic expectation.

JMO

 ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 07:40:33 PM



Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.

Keepthefaith ... I apologize.  I should have stated "for the most part " my efforts on this topic have not been appreciated.

My DIL just put it all into perceptive for me from her point of view and ... I am inclined to agree.  However ... I am still thinking on it.

It is something akin to the prodical Monkeys with their unwavering support of John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.  They give all of these guys a pass without acknowledgeing the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... without acknowledgeng the implication of Mark Purcell's despicable posts.

On this forum ... John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman are held accountable for their choices but ... for the most part ... when it comes to holding Dave Holloway and Tim Miller accountable for their choices ... Mark Purcell's own words and ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as John Silvetti's own words are disregarded.  Many SM Monkeys are one with the prodical Monkeys in regards to giving Tim Miller and Dave Holloway the benefit of the doubt/justifying their actions.

Good Night Monkesy.

Janet
4:35 PM

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 07:42:29 PM
Janet, I for one have absolutey no problem with you having the opinion that you do. But for you to come on here and say you refuse to post in an "environment" that doesn't support YOUR point of view is ridiculous.  Why Dave is doing things that we question is HIS business. I trust that he knows a hell of a lot more than any of us do. I will always give him the benefit of the doubt until I hear it from his own mouth the reasons he does what he does. 

Wreck ... please read my post carefully.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 07:47:21 PM
There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.

Janet, I believe the bolded are your interpretions and not what was said by anyone on this forum except you.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2009, 07:53:10 PM



Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.

Keepthefaith ... I apologize.  I should have stated "for the most part " my efforts on this topic have not been appreciated.

My DIL just put it all into perceptive for me from her point of view and ... I am inclined to agree.  However ... I am still thinking on it.

It is something akin to the prodical Monkeys with their unwavering support of John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.  They give all of these guys a pass without acknowledgeing the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... without acknowledgeng the implication of Mark Purcell's despicable posts.

On this forum ... John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman are held accountable for their choices but ... for the most part ... when it comes to holding Dave Holloway and Tim Miller accountable for their choices ... Mark Purcell's own words and ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as John Silvetti's own words are disregarded.  Many SM Monkeys are one with the prodical Monkeys in regards to giving Tim Miller and Dave Holloway the benefit of the doubt/justifying their actions.

Good Night Monkesy.

Janet
4:35 PM

 



This is very tough dialogue and all Monkey's are free to their opinions.As i've said before i've had many battle's within my own head in regards to the ongoing relationships of Tim Miller & Dave Holloway.I'll be the first to admit that i OBVIOUSLY don't know everything but,i do have issues with the ongoing relationships that some have!It is was it is.Others feel differently and that's OK.Where it all leads i don't know....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blonde on August 26, 2009, 07:57:30 PM
Which brings us back full-circle and my original question to you this evening. If Dave (and Robin) KNOW the evil that is Mark Purcell et al  -- what explains their defending of him and his ilk to this day??????????????? Is Janet totally correct?? Has Dave sold out?? I'm trying to defend Dave here, but I must admit that Janet's (and your revelations ) are giving me pause.

I'll try my best to explain what I am aware of.

Mark Purcell showed up early on at the rjames site. He is part of the IFA. Paulus van der Sloot's statement even stated that his IFA FRIENDS helped him. Mark Purcell then began to bash Natalee and her family (have to check the dates, but it might have been when the boycott started).  He ended up at the BFN site and was PM'ing several women. I have a chat conversation with one of them, I also have the IPs and where/what he was doing at that time.  He played them. He made friends with them. He got them thinking he's just a nice guy and has a lot of wisdom. All the while he is bashing Beth and her daughter on other sites.
He also told the family he would check out things for them. Afterall, why shouldn't Dave and Robin trust another American might have been their thinking. Dave was the one trusting Dompig afterall, remember???

By the time, the Birmingham meeting was to take place a number of people had been shall I say informing themselves about some of these individuals who bashed the family and Natalee. They informed Robin Holloway and she flat out told one of them that I know of, that she did not believe it. They also called Beth and told her. Beth didn't know what to believe and thought the Robin on BFN must be a fake. Dave Holloway was contacted and he was informed. In fact, I know that Robin Holloway did not want Deetch to attend the meeting and was very adamant about defending Mark Purcell and Reality. Keep in mind, that they talked to her over the phone.

Mark Purcell was telling them that Natalee was still alive. That was also the lies if you recall that scubajap was posting - she ran off with the Blue-eyed Dutch boy, the fake letter mailed to Paulus van der Sloot from Natalee and some guy. Etc etc. That was the plan to make the parents think Natalee was sold and/or ran away and that it's not Aruba's fault. It's Natalee's.

If you wanted to believe that, you might trust the wrong people.






MIP6 showed up at NH.Net and said he went to the LION's Den danced with a pretty woman and had 5 beers.
 You said I hope you didn't drive home, at this time we knew he was full of SHIT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 26, 2009, 08:13:58 PM
The same reason that Monkeys from the getgo have focused on any person who has a relationship with those who have an Aruban agenda ... even our prodical Monkeys.  Monkeys have never given anyone who cohorts with the enemy a pass except for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.

I do consider myself an old monkey.  The reason to know and identify peoples' interests is because those interests can influence their motives and objectivity (or lack there of).  I never considered it a pass or no pass situation.  I considered it background information while interpreting a post.  Dave and Tim have more "interests" than Aruban contacts so there is more to consider regarding their motives and/or objectivity.  I don't understand everything, but they both get more leeway because of their "history". I am sure there are issues I am totally unaware of.

Jen

Yes, that is the Steve Cohen, I remember.  Thanks for looking.



P.S.  That Peter R. does have a way with words...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 26, 2009, 08:15:27 PM
There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.

Janet, I believe the bolded are your interpretions and not what was said by anyone on this forum except you.

I agree.

Hi monkeys.....been catching up with you all! ::MonkeyBike::

I have to say I agree as well, as I just read all of today's posts.

Perhaps there is confusion regarding silence or lack of agreement with positions asserted by Janet.

I haven't expressed an opinion on Dave and Robin's associations with Purcell and Reality other than "I don't get it".  I don't understand their association and never will.

I don't know Dave or Tim Miller, but don't believe they would ever knowingly do anything to jeopardize Natalee's justice.

As far as "back up" in the form of Robin's posts, I don't consider her statements as anything reflective of Dave.  I have not considered Robin as credible since her associations with the enemy have been revealed.

I haven't joined in because Beth and Dave's loss is unimaginable, and I have not seen anything that would cause me to question Dave's love for Natalee and his ongoing quest to bring her home.  I would question his judgment in some of his associations and attempts on Natalee's behalf, but could never question his heart.  I have the deepest compassion for his loss, and can't question his effort.  I can't imagine walking ten feet in his or Beth's shoes.

I didn't quite see where Janet was going with this, and thought maybe there was something else I didn't know that would be revealed.   :smt102

Speaking for myself, my silence on any issue should not be construed to mean alliance with "prodigal monkeys", (whoever they are), an attachment to a differing opinion, or anything other than "silence".

But Janet, I don't think anyone has stifled your freedom to state whatever opinion you have.

I guess I just don't get it.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 08:34:15 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 08:37:12 PM



Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.

Keepthefaith ... I apologize.  I should have stated "for the most part " my efforts on this topic have not been appreciated.

My DIL just put it all into perceptive for me from her point of view and ... I am inclined to agree.  However ... I am still thinking on it.

It is something akin to the prodical Monkeys with their unwavering support of John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.  They give all of these guys a pass without acknowledgeing the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... without acknowledgeng the implication of Mark Purcell's despicable posts.

On this forum ... John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman are held accountable for their choices but ... for the most part ... when it comes to holding Dave Holloway and Tim Miller accountable for their choices ... Mark Purcell's own words and ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as John Silvetti's own words are disregarded.  Many SM Monkeys are one with the prodical Monkeys in regards to giving Tim Miller and Dave Holloway the benefit of the doubt/justifying their actions.

Good Night Monkesy.

Janet
4:35 PM


Janet, I am appalled you would even compare the two situations.  I hope you take the time to think long and hard about what you have stated here. 

Exactly how much time has you DIL spent in this forum?  Not enough to be making such a judgement IMO.  You however, KNOW better!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 08:53:15 PM
Janet:

So....In the past 24 hours I have posted to you three times.  The first was to ask why you did not email Dave directly with your questions. 

You responded that you wanted me to direct you to a post where you had "disrespected" Dave Holloway....a word I had not used.

My second post was when I declined to get into the "find me a post" game as I never said the word.

The last post of mine was short.  After another round of your posts about Dave, I asked you what was the point?

You responded that "There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices".

I think you are posting to the wrong person.

And, I would like to know what a prodical monkey is?

Mere


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 08:58:41 PM



Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.

Keepthefaith ... I apologize.  I should have stated "for the most part " my efforts on this topic have not been appreciated.

My DIL just put it all into perceptive for me from her point of view and ... I am inclined to agree.  However ... I am still thinking on it.

It is something akin to the prodical Monkeys with their unwavering support of John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.  They give all of these guys a pass without acknowledgeing the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... without acknowledgeng the implication of Mark Purcell's despicable posts.

On this forum ... John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman are held accountable for their choices but ... for the most part ... when it comes to holding Dave Holloway and Tim Miller accountable for their choices ... Mark Purcell's own words and ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as John Silvetti's own words are disregarded.  Many SM Monkeys are one with the prodical Monkeys in regards to giving Tim Miller and Dave Holloway the benefit of the doubt/justifying their actions.

Good Night Monkesy.

Janet
4:35 PM


Janet, I am appalled you would even compare the two situations.  I hope you take the time to think long and hard about what you have stated here. 

Exactly how much time has you DIL spent in this forum?  Not enough to be making such a judgement IMO.  You however, KNOW better!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 26, 2009, 09:21:05 PM
There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is dead.
The words of the suspects can not be trusted.

There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is alive..

Years later Amy shows up in photo in the area everyone is searching for Natalee in. Yet for the most part that was ignored.. Nobody did a serious search for Amy.
If Amy could be kept alive all these years, is it not reasonable to assume that the same characters that took Amy could have Natalee also ????

Another one was Marcos in Nicaragua... There has never been any reasonable explanation from Tim Miller or Dave Holloway as to what happened in the end of that situation.. Marcos had been interviewed on film!! and he also carried a GPS device !!
Yet the story just died ...WHY ? Even If Marcos lied, he is directly involved with people that know the truth. Nicaragua is just to isolated for Marcos to have kept up with this story on Natalee in my humble opinion. To go 2 steps further and contact Dave from Nicaragua.. Unbelievable.

2 different situations.. Amy and Marcos
One leads to a possible live Natalee and the other leads to a possible dead Natalee, yet neither one was followed up on.

To this day there is no proof... ALL opinions and writings are just that, personal opinions.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 09:27:57 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
Thanks for the reminder. ::MonkeyAngel::

Wouldn't it be nice if Robots paid the Monkeys a visit tonight?  He made so many Monkeys happy the other night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 26, 2009, 09:39:13 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
Thanks for the reminder. ::MonkeyAngel::

Wouldn't it be nice if Robots paid the Monkeys a visit tonight?  He made so many Monkeys happy the other night.

Yes it would!!! I'm hoping he'll pop up around 10:00! I asked him to anyway! On that note, I was thinking about billb, and this is what I came up with. The name billb always reminded me of bilbo. But the picture didn't really fit him, SO................
Since Bilbo slayed a dragon, and since we were about to give him Robot's avi, I got to thinking that a dragon is sort of like Robot's "raptor", except with skin!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Anyway, here's one for billb, if he wants it:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/billb1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/billb1.gif

Now, Robots............. this is for YOU!  OHM, OHM, OHM.......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 26, 2009, 09:55:03 PM
Very nice CBB - Wonder if billb will stick with Bilbo or become a dragon instead?  Personally I think he seemed quite happy being undressed! ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 09:55:05 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 10:02:25 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Hi Snoopy....I like looking at it from that point of view.  Thank you.   :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 10:06:16 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 10:12:08 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?
NO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 10:16:38 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

uummmm.............hell no. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 10:18:25 PM
Our beloved Peaches would slap them both silly.  What a woman.  I sure do miss her.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 10:20:29 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?
NO

OK


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 10:23:09 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

uummmm.............hell no. lol

Ok, I won't ask any more dumb questions .... tonight.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 10:25:06 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

hmmmm is there any way someone like Reality or MIP6 could/would come to SM and pretend to be....say.....mytime? Does that make sense?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 26, 2009, 10:25:28 PM
mytime you silly monkey.  No question is dumb.  I didn't mean to sound hateful to you.........just being hateful in general. lol  sorry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?
NO

OK
IF these people were really good guys ("undercover") -- you would not have Dave and Robin embracing them. They would still be acting "repulsed" by them.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 10:26:53 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?
NO

OK


I think they are rotten to the core but even so it is remotely possible one of them or their cohorts could actually know  or learn something.  Perhaps the idea is to befriend them and persuade them to tell should this happen???

Not being able to read the minds of others, I try not to ever declare their motives.  No one ever knows what is going on in the mind of another.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
mytime you silly monkey.  No question is dumb.  I didn't mean to sound hateful to you.........just being hateful in general. lol  sorry.

I am never posting in here again.........just kidding!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

I don't scare off that easy but I am off to catch up on my reading about Christine Sheddy, my new "obsession."   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 10:48:17 PM
Our beloved Peaches would slap them both silly.  What a woman.  I sure do miss her.

Yes, she would.  I think she's still here with us in spirit. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 26, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Our beloved Peaches would slap them both silly.  What a woman.  I sure do miss her.

Yes, she would.  I think she's still here with us in spirit. 

I think she is too....she sure taught us a lot....... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 26, 2009, 10:53:24 PM
Our beloved Peaches would slap them both silly.  What a woman.  I sure do miss her.

Yes, she would.  I think she's still here with us in spirit. 

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:00:31 PM



Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance




I,for one,appreciate your efforts Janet!As far as backlash goes.DO NOT let any Monkey dictate what you believe to be the TRUTH,and or what you will or will not post.

Keepthefaith ... I apologize.  I should have stated "for the most part " my efforts on this topic have not been appreciated.

My DIL just put it all into perceptive for me from her point of view and ... I am inclined to agree.  However ... I am still thinking on it.

It is something akin to the prodical Monkeys with their unwavering support of John Silvetti, Kyle Kingman, Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.  They give all of these guys a pass without acknowledgeing the implication of Kyle Kingman's own words ... without acknowledgeng the implication of Mark Purcell's despicable posts.

On this forum ... John Silvetti and Kyle Kingman are held accountable for their choices but ... for the most part ... when it comes to holding Dave Holloway and Tim Miller accountable for their choices ... Mark Purcell's own words and ... Kyle Kingman's own words as well as John Silvetti's own words are disregarded.  Many SM Monkeys are one with the prodical Monkeys in regards to giving Tim Miller and Dave Holloway the benefit of the doubt/justifying their actions.

Good Night Monkesy.

Janet
4:35 PM


Janet, I am appalled you would even compare the two situations.  I hope you take the time to think long and hard about what you have stated here. 

Exactly how much time has you DIL spent in this forum?  Not enough to be making such a judgement IMO.  You however, KNOW better!

 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




My DIL spends NO time reading the forum.  My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day and ... from there she reads, compiles according to segments of the  topic and ... forms her own opinion.

texasmom ... I am entitled to my own opinion for which I always provide backup.  If you disagree ... disagree respectfully please. 

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 26, 2009, 11:02:12 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?   Does that make sense?

That depends on who you ask.  I think we all know those two are evil.  Now if you ask a certain person at BFN she will say otherwise.  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 11:08:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61560.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

De Meza (AVP) drag newspaper Solo for court

August 26, 2009, 13:56 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/26-aruba-rechtszaak-mike-de.gif)

MP Mike de Meza (AVP) between party supporters after treatment of the interim measures which he morning newspaper Solo di Pueblo accused of libel.

ORANGE CITY - MEP Mike Meza of the opposition party ASF and number three on the electoral list, is a case for libel against newspaper Solo di Pueblo morning started. The pro-government newspaper published an article on August 4 that a close relationship between the entrepreneur and Statenlid Ralph Sanchez of the Race Track controversial project was suggested.

The construction of the racetrack fell through, but wrong procurement policies, as was also noted by the General Court, the government lost millions of florins. These include the substantial damages which they had to pay to Sanchez in a business lawsuit when the project was off. According Solo would come through the testimony of De Meza which the state would have lost 22 million U.S. dollars. De Meza would, though the newspaper very carefully in her statements, "one million" have received for his testimony in favor of Sanchez.

The Meza stretched a lawsuit because the newspaper refused the article of August 4 completely correct. It was the newspaper that made Sanchez one ticket and stay in the United States had paid De Meza. Solo gave the edition of August 14 that she had made a mistake and a friend of the MP concerned. De Meza's lawyer there was no question of a correction in the article as new allegations were made against his client. Meza was the reason that his name and reputation by the newspaper were also affected, straining an interim proceedings. Here again it requires a correction.

The lawyer felt that the Solo Meza in the weekly press conference had enough space to make things clear to the public to understand. He also claimed that the rectification of August 14 by the newspaper would suffice. The other statements in this news article based on documents showing the Meza's involvement in the Race Track project shows, the lawyer said. The newspaper would also not withdraw those statements. The lawyer said that based on the European Convention on Human Rights of the politicians need to accept criticism and gave examples of statements in which the right of the press to freedom of expression is defended.

The court will rule on September 16.

8/26/2009 Diario

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/frontpage/index.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08262009_Diario_p_frontpage_bg_1.jpg)

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diaranzon/noticia/news2.html

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08262009_Diario_MikeDeMeza_AnthonyC.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

advocate carlo owing to compara the caso of mike de meza cu esun of serge mansur

oranjestad(aan): after of the caso cu member of parliament mike de meza owing to entama contra the corant of santa cruz, daily paper owing to interview advocate anthony carlo that owing to representa de meza, for achieve know con owing to bay cu the caso. according carlo, is berdad cu the corant owing to tell cu they owing to rectifica end, but the rectificacion do not thing his cliente have derecho on dje. apart from this the advocate owing to splica cu the rectificacion do not completo.dia 16 of september huez will give his veredicto y pesey carlo owing to splica cu the does not anticipa on the caso. daily paper owing to ask about carlo if past owing to trece cualkier comparacion of one caso of pasado y the advocate owing to trece fast cu past owing to compara the caso here cu the caso of serge mansur that some time happen also was have one caso contra same corant of santa cruz.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 26, 2009, 11:08:25 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

hmmmm is there any way someone like Reality or MIP6 could/would come to SM and pretend to be....say.....mytime? Does that make sense?



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

I heart you TM.

You kill me sometimes.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:12:18 PM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Klaas...Thanks CBB....
I'll take it.... ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:13:10 PM
There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.

Janet, I believe the bolded are your interpretions and not what was said by anyone on this forum except you.

Magnolia

I "interpreted" the follow post to imply that the his marriage and relationship with his girls could possibly be in the balance if he did not conform with his wife in regards to the Mark Purcell relationship.

Janet

+++++


Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind  ::MonkeyCool::
Thanks Klaas...Thanks CBB....
I'll take it.... ::MonkeyCheer3::
Now I'll head back to page 58 to catch up on what I've missed....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: mytime on August 26, 2009, 11:18:35 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?   Does that make sense?

That depends on who you ask.  I think we all know those two are evil.  Now if you ask a certain person at BFN she will say otherwise.  ::MonkeyRoll::

Then I just don't understand how Dave could be friends with them.   It just doesn't make sense unless maybe someone of authority like LE/FBI told him too????   ::MonkeyConfused::

I'll shut up now!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:19:19 PM
Apparently Peter DeVries was on a TV show, and GBMW did a translation of what was said:

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDance::

Host:
Patrick van der Eem has been arrested in Aruba. He was in posession of coke, he threathened people and he hadn't paid his bills. How does a news report like that come across for you?

Peter R. de Vries:
Well, I was very pleased to hear that the Aruban police rushes out in full force if you haven't paid your hotel bill...

Host:
They never did that with you?


Peter R. de Vries:
....because I also know the story of someone who has confessed he has let an innocent girl die...and who has hidden the body; and lied about that in a horrible way to the whole world and especially the mother of the girl and who is walking around freely. And the Aruban police often doesn't have time when tips are coming in...so this is very good news.


Host:
With a long haul you've made your point. (laughing)... Your point is taken.
Does is surpise you he has been arrested? Not police wise but concerning Patrick...

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not really surprised.

Host:
You knew he was a bit like that?

Peter R. de Vries;
Uhmm...well the man is temperamentful...let me put it that way... (laughing) And from that point I'm not that surprised he's facing such a situation.

Host:
Does is annoy you that he's very often being linked to you when something is going on with him...and of course concerning Joran?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, I'm not annoyed by that. He's worked for us at the time...has done a good job...and we didn't work with him because he's a reverend or something. We worked with him because Joran van der Sloot..well...looked up to him. He was charmed by him. He was the right person for that job at the time.

Host:
It doesn't make your case against Joran a bit doubtful?

Peter R. de Vries:
No, not at all. That would have been so if the case was based on what Patrick van der Eem stated. If he would have been the one saying that "Joran told me..." and you have to believe me on my pretty blue eyes this is true. Then you could think...well can we really trust this man?But the great thing about that broadcast was of course that we heard and saw Joran van der Sloot himself stating that he was present when Natalee died and that he had let the body disappear in the ocean and that he didn't lose any sleep over it. Joran himself stated that...for that it doesn't matter whether or not Patrick did or did not pay his hotel bill.


 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you Peter DeVries!   ::MonkeyKiss::

Thank you GBMW for the translation, and jen for bringing it over! 

 ::MonkeyCool::


I sure hope this is a sign of things to come from PDV....It is encouraging that he is keeping it in the forefront when asked...
Now let's see his follow up on exposing paulass...(paulass is your perp....from day one).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:22:55 PM
This is how Bilbo was portrayed in the movie............. do you like any of these?

Don't worry, billb, I'll wake up to give somebody a face anytime!   ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyWink::
bilbo2 (bottom) would be my choice...thanks CBB...
Sleep for you my friend....

I fixed it for you Billb, hope you don't mind  ::MonkeyCool::

I love it.  He looks kind and wise....exactly how I think of billb.
Thanks Magnolia.....My sentiments for all the Monkeys that have been here for so long...It is so clear to me that kind and wise, and I'll add compassionate, are just a few of the qualities that keep our focus on justice for Natalee....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
The same reason that Monkeys from the getgo have focused on any person who has a relationship with those who have an Aruban agenda ... even our prodical Monkeys.

Monkeys have never given anyone who cohorts with the enemy a pass except for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.


I do consider myself an old monkey.  The reason to know and identify peoples' interests is because those interests can influence their motives and objectivity (or lack there of).  I never considered it a pass or no pass situation.  I considered it background information while interpreting a post.  Dave and Tim have more "interests" than Aruban contacts so there is more to consider regarding their motives and/or objectivity.  I don't understand everything, but they both get more leeway because of their "history". I am sure there are issues I am totally unaware of.


Buckeye

Thank you for acknowledging/recognizing that Tim and Dave are given for leeway on this forum than the prodical Monkeys in regards to relationships with the enemy ... relationships  those with an Aruban agenda.

I may not have come to the same conclusion as you but ... I respect your opinion.  It makes sense.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:25:54 PM


Amazing.   Didn't Boeti report on all the beach activity?  Couldn't he see everything from some kind of dwelling?

Was there ever a picture of Boeti's place posted?

Ah yes.  I had forgotten about Boeti being the Beach Bum who made oh so many helpful declarations in this investigation.  One such being that he saw Natalee in posession of cocaine.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I wonder just what kind of charm Patrick oozes in order to be able to check into not just one, but FOUR hotels without a credit card?

And the Radisson, no less.  Wow!  Somehow I can't imagine big name hotels allowing for that.  ::MonkeyWink::

I also wonder if the cocaine was found on his person, or in his hotel room upon his arrest?

Wonder what his "threats" were too?  Maybe threats of exposure for this OBVIOUS set up and faulty arrest?

Exactly Jen, I have never checked into a hotel or motel without having to give them a credit card.  I am sure there are some seedy ones that take cash, but I don't think the Radisson is one of them.

Yes, when reserving a room they normally reequest a credit card and then confirm whether to use that card  or your preference in payment when you check out.  That has been our experience. 

I can't imagine Patrick's being allowed to check into all of those hotels without a credit card or prepayment either.  The whole thing smells of setup to me.  Probably just one step of many to once again release Joran as a suspect.  I can just imagine who was involved in the planning of this one.  And in the process discredit Peter DeVries in the public view so that any further revelations will be viewed with skepticism.


 ::MonkeyNoNo::


JMO


third world bullying tactics.....what gets me...They know the world is watching.....they just don't give a damn..... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:29:50 PM
Janet....what is the point? 



There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.  When I consider the Dave Holloway in those photos posted this morning ... the Dave Holloway prior to the Mark Purcell connection ... I give Natalee's father so much more credit.  However ... along with that credit comes personal responsibility for his choices.

I am now done on this topic on the forum.  My efforts have not been appreciated but ... up until now I kept Natalee Holloway as my focus.  However ... the backlash from other Monkeys is to difficult.

Janet

++++++

Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 13:  From my first day on the island, I realized that I could not rely on the police to find my daughter.  If they refused to search, we would organize and do it ourselves.

Page 14:  Incredibily, a publicity agent named Carla, from New York City firm that handles publicity for tourism in Aruba, tried to stop us from searching near the California Lighhouse, a tourist attraction, saying that it would be harmful to the island and bring too much negative media attention.  She said she had even discussed it with Beth and that she had agreed.  But I advised her that the search would go forward, no matter what kind of attention it brought.

Page 196:  I can no longer sit on the fence on this issue.  It has not been an easy decision for me to make.  But I need to know what happened to my daughter, and I do believe that a boycott may be the only way we will get anybody over there to talk to us or to turn in the people who are reponsible for her disappearance



Janet...please share your point...I'm afraid I'm just not getting it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 26, 2009, 11:30:59 PM
I wonder why they took van der Eem's vehicle on a tow truck?  I mean, couldn't he or someone just have driven it to the police station?  Seems a bit odd.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 11:32:21 PM


Hi billb!  You look mahhhvelous!  And very distinguished too!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 26, 2009, 11:33:23 PM
Hello all,
 Just sittin and readin...which is what  i do more of these days than postin...BUT i do have a question, i seen this like...oh heck,  i lost count how many times...what the heck does this mean?  "prodical Monkeys "??
TYIA :)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 11:34:12 PM
I wonder why they took van der Eem's vehicle on a tow truck?  I mean, couldn't he or someone just have driven it to the police station?  Seems a bit odd.

And they had to white out every face in the news photos except the wrecker guy! ::MonkeyRoll::

Just more Aruban drama I guess.   ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 26, 2009, 11:34:23 PM


Hi billb!  You look mahhhvelous!  And very distinguished too!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Oh,quit it TM!!You're just a Hobbit groupie.....  ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:37:39 PM
Hello all,
 Just sittin and readin...which is what  i do more of these days than postin...BUT i do have a question, i seen this like...oh heck,  i lost count how many times...what the heck does this mean?  "prodical Monkeys "??
TYIA :)

Prodical Monkeys (my term) are former Scared Monkeys who made an exodus to Gold Monkeys (GM) and Chat & Grumble ... who have not returned to SM asking forgiveness.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 11:38:16 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S TRUSTED BUDDIES

Friday, November 10, 2006
Exclusive Interview With Mark Purcell

GAGIRLI had the opportunity to sit down with Mark Purcell, and ask him a few questions about some of these internet rumours swirling around him.

Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer a few questions. First off, Faith the snake, was wondering " What do you know?" Could you enlighten the rest of us?

MARK PURCELL:Gagirl thanks for having me here today. So Faith the snake lady wants to know what I know, well as I told you back in the green room today I know a lot of things about different bloggers who have attached themselves to Natalee's case.


GAGIRL: I see, can you shed any light on the "Pod People"?

MARK PURCELL: Are you kidding me "Pod People"?


GAGIRL: Meri believes there are "Pod People" walking around. I believe this was from that movie was it Close Encounters or Dark Crystal?

MARK PURCELL: You can't be serious?

GAGIRL: No, She seriously believes it, let me refer you back to her post on T4N:
meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:
The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well.

MARK PURCELL: Whew.. ok then. Oh here we go...Pod People is a 1983 Spanish science fiction film directed by Juan Piquer Simón. Strange, I never bought into the alien abduction theory myself.

I did a little research on T4N, Tea for Nuts...(they don't drink kool-aid.)....Did you know that...
A new tea-plant nuts grow for five years before its leaves can be picked and, at 30 years of age, it will be too old to be productive. Well we know they are not productive! Excellent name choice guys!


GAGIRL: Ok, let me look at my notes here, Oh Deetch has a few questions for you.
That Deetch, he's quite the character....

Mark, Deetch would like to know if you masturbate?

MARK PUCELL: "Well Gagirl that is a bit of a personal question, but since I signed that contract to be completely forth cuming in this interview with you the answer is no.

*crosstalk* I'm not sure why that was important to Deetch, Mark..but of all the questions he could have submitted that was his choice.


MARK PURCELL: Right, I understand, but I don’t need to; between my wife and well, you have seen all those pictures of my South American Harem of Latin lovely’s who the hell has time or the energy to masturbate!!!!
Apparently Deetch has plenty of free time on his hands.
If it is not the wife jumping my bones every time I step out of the shower, my damn phone is ringing off the hook, “Papi it is Tuesday and you know what that means!”
Last month I finally got smart and bought stock in viagra just so I could recoup some of my expenses.

GAGIRL: Thanks for clearing that "up" Mark.. so it's viagra and not roofies I guess Deetch was drawing from personal experience again. Says a lot about the guy huh?

He also seems to have a thing for dikes.......hmmm I'm sensing a pattern here, how about you?

MARK PUCELL: You know Gagirl it is interesting that you mention that about Deetch’s proclivity for focusing on people’s sexual preference. After a review of the pictures we have been shown of Deetch, I had always wondered where I had seen him before.
So you and Deetch do have a history then?
As you know a few years ago I was a reserve officer for a local Police department in Texas.
One night while we were on patrol we caught a call to respond to an apartment complex not far from the space center to answer a disturbance of the peace call.

GAGIRL: The space center? NASA? interesting..

MARK PURCELL: Upon arrival we find this individual, white male, average build, kind of goofy looking chap, reminded me of one those nerds everyone picked on in school and I always had to rescue.
Anyway here this guy is running around the pool chasing a pot bellied pig, yelling “Honey don’t run away, you know you like it”. Damn pig was dressed up in a pink tutu.

GAGIRL: Yes, we have that photo you brought in thanks. We've blacked out T.C.'s face to protect his/her identity.


MARK PURCELL: So we stop him and cuff him & toss him in the back of the squad car, all the while he is screaming towards the pig, “Honey don’t let them do this to me, tell them how much I love you.”
But I have digressed a bit, this guy chasing the pig and the pictures of Deetch we have seen, if they aren’t the same person, then they could be twins.
I am going to have to call Mauves back at the Precinct to send me the mug shots we just have to be sure.

Bless his heart..He's sexually frustrated! And no wonder, you've seen the pics of some of these women...?
Yea, speaking of pigs, I now understand his attraction.

In those pictures I noticed one of those so-called women had a big old snake hanging all over her.
Now, as an advocate for animal rights, I am bit concerned about the fate of that poor snake.
It has been reported that shortly after that picture was taken the snake has not been seen since.
It was also reported to the animal rights tip line that the snake “had been abused, in a sexual manner”. That tip was called in anonymously.
So here today I am pleading with that tipster, please call our hot line back; we really need to talk to you. We need additional details of the abuse that poor snake suffered.
All of your information will be kept anonymous; we just need to hear back from you.

GAGIRL: Oh my! Well I hope that tipster reads this.

Back to Deetch for a moment, I think we've gotten to the "meat" of Deetch's fascination with you Mark.

Mark, do you think there is a little........Penis envy involved?

MARK PURCELL My sources told me "That Deetch, sure I remember him, even as a boy he was ALWAYS sizing the rest of us guys up in the john. In grade school, No one wanted to go to the bathroom breaks with Deetch"
Another childhood aquaintance reported, "Why if Deetch walked into the john, most of us would break mid-stream and leave."



Deetch's number: (EDITED BY KERMIT -  Mark Purcell posted his real phone number)
*remember caller id you might get a call back*

I am not sure if it is just Penis Envy, I mean to envy something you need to have one to compare to others to have any envy, right.
Of course he could be envying the fact that most other men do have a penis and he doesn’t, I am just not sure.
From the sources that have been interviewed it seems that Deetch’s penis would equate to a pimple on his ass. Kind of like being hung like a stud mouse.

I think what we are seeing here, based on the behaviors reported about his early life, it is more a leaning towards homosexual tendencies, now don’t get me wrong I think everyone is entitled to their personal sexual orientation as long as they fall with in legal boundaries, all he has to do is come out of the closet to be happy.[/color]

GAGIRL: Indeed, well Mark I would like to thank you again for sitting down with me and our readers and clearing up some of these rumours. I would like to leave our readers with a video that was sent in by an anonymous source. Reportedly this is actual footage of the T4N members.....I'll let the readers judge for themselves.
Tune in next time as Mark and I discuss a few of the other fruitloops from T4N.
posted by Gagirl @ 2:58 PM  
Thursday, November 09, 2006
Preview of Coming Attractions
Coming Soon to a blog near you:

Faith, Blonde, Town Crier, Mr. X, Auntum, Kidteachmom, Fearless Leader a special return appearance by Frank (Deetch) Simone and host of other assclowns all for your giggling pleasure.

You really do have to come back and see this when I am done; I am sitting here laughing so hard it is tough to type.

I have never seen so many freaky people.
Hint - one of them is even pictured with a darn snake.
posted by MIP6 @ 3:10 PM  
The Biggest Hater of them All
Not that many people know of or read at this blog yet, but those that do, I was wondering how many of you really know who Deetch is?

Could Deetch be what he claimed, an employee of NASA?
And if so was he part of the team that lost the Challenger?
Or is he one of the sleeping at the wheel employees found here at the RU site?
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=6374

Or possibly Deetch is Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

I am inclined to think that he is Frank *EDITED BY KERMIT MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

For those of you that enjoy the hate filled fiction that Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT) writes at his blogspot why not drop him a quick email at f
(EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED EMAIL INFORMATION)

I am sure he would love to hear from all of you, I mean really what has more priority, answering his fans email or taking his job at NASA seriously so that the safety and well being of our Americans in the space program have every chance of survival.
posted by MIP6 @ 6:25 AM  
Wednesday, November 01, 2006[/color

If you Helped in the Beginning…….
It seems that a lot of time and energy is being spent to attack some of those people who where involved with helping Natalee's family in the first 72 hours of Natalee going missing.


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1568Location: The Deep South
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: Julia Renfro & Mark Purcell

What does Julia and Mark know? Julia aka Glenda @ FOB & RU (banned at RU) Mark aka MIP6 & Doc Holladay_________________~The Truth IS The Truth~ Thats all we're looking for.

FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1568Location: The Deep South
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:13 am Post subject:

Mark says Julia is his friend, if anyone gets to Julia again, they would have to go thru him. Something is very wrong with this picture.

kermitLieutenantJoined: 11 Oct 2006Posts: 66
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:37 am Post subject:

IFA (international friends of Aruba) organized the FIRST searches AWAY FROM WHERE NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN. JULIA RENFRO & MARK PURCELL ARE MEMBERS OF IFA Wednesday morning, as Beth gave her statement to police, Renfro and Munzenhofer met in the Holiday Inn's lobby to organize the first search teams (Vanity Fair Article) http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true Wednesday 1st of June, the Royal Marines as well as local groups organized for people from Aruba and International Friends of Aruba searched especially in the area of the Lighthouse, Arashi, North of the Marriott and also in crack houses, with no results. The matter turned serious and fell under the charge of Commissioner Jan van der Straten of the Noord district, and chief prosecutor Karin Jansen was put in charge of the case. In the meantime, the FBI was already in Aruba. Bon Dia Aruba 12/31/2005


Why does this small band of hate in the name of Natalee people hate those who not only where on the scene helping long before the hate in Natalee's name group even had a clue as to where Aruba was?

Could part of this be there ego’s getting in the way?

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 170Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:

And..I rest my case. This is Mark Purcell at his finest and this is Robin's friend. Beth may have been warned but obviously she is still being fooled or refuses to see the truth. Anyone who wishes to associate with these people deserve exactly what they get. I have given my last warning to that family. They can continue associating with pigs like Purcell if they see fit. I will offer no more assistence. Let them ask Debbie at BFN for help...or the RU board where Robin loves to read.
I think I may be right, as you can see in the bolded above, it seems not only is Meri jealousy that Beth does not listen to her ramblings, but it looks to me like Meri has threatened the family as well with her “final warning”.


posted by MIP6 @ 1:20 PM

Tuesday, October 31, 2006
They Just Don't Have a Clue
For weeks now the Hate in Natalee’s name site has done everything they can to help find answers for Natalee’s family, you know stuff like copying posts from BFN and making nasty comments about the people posting, and spending there days “researching” posters who don’t think in lock step with there single minded hate.
Yea this helps find the answers the family so desperately needs.
Why in their quest to find those elusive answers for the family they have even taken to attacking one of Natalee’s parents, her step mom Robin Holloway.
I had asked a long time ago to stop the hate in Natalee’s name, yet once I did that it seems the so called support site of Truth4 went into hyper drive with there hate.

See for yourself just how productive they have been:


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1552Location: The Deep South
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:54 am Post subject:

The most important thing is this: We here at T4N are for the truth. Certain members were exposed from BFN and many BFN members don't like me anymore because I speak the truth. I've exposed the bashers post. Everyone knows it's true. I've given the post to Robin many times. I've given them to Suzie many times at her request to forward to Robin. I've done my part keeping the family, (Dave & Robin) informed as I was asked to do. The ball is in their court. Faith

MARK PURCELL: "Seems like Faith has spent a lot of time in her quest to find answers in Natalee's disapperance. Not.


meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 166Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

Sometmes it doesn't pay to be nice or to try and make peace. When people are completely ignorant it is hard to get through to them. When people lie and lie and lie it's hard to get through to them. When people make a grieving mother stand in the same room with men who called her every name in the book and insulted her missing daughter it's hard to get through to them. And I am ACCUSED of driving a wedge between family members???? Anyone that would allow the mother of Natalee Holloway to be exposed to such people deserve NO consideration whatsever. If they want us to back off of them they had better do the same in return. I am not going to take any crap from anyone at any site. I am sick and tired of threats and accusations. If you want the fighting to stop then cease and desist from doing it yourselves. It's a pity that a sad case like this has so many stupid, uncaring and outright devious people involved. I don't care if you support the boycott...that's a personal choice; but I DO care if people bash Beth. How can anyone say that they are trying to help when they bash the mother of the missing person?

MARK PURCELL: Hey Meri, if the shoe fits bitch, oh you know the rest.

AuntiemCadetJoined: 10 Oct 2006Posts: 43
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject:

So How low did Debbie go? Reality read her mail, she obviously allowed him. I read Rob's original letter, it was right on the money. Why did he apologize? Because he got a call from Robin, telling him how hurt Debbie was??? To me, all I see here is major manipulation!!!
MARK PURCELL: "Auntiem better known as Kindteachmom @ BFN lives in some sort of fantasy land.

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

My peace offering is RETRACTED They want war...they will GET war. I haven't even begun to fight. I have reached the end of my patience and the end of my tolerance. There is NO MORE room for playing nice. You cannot appease people like this because they don't understand what that means. Rob can decide what he wants to do and I will respect whatever that is because he is my friend...but this is what I am going to do. If they dare bring Beth together with those creatures they won't know what hit them before I am through. I only posted one tenth of what I have on the BFN people.....there is a LOT more where that came from. There is IP proof that Reality has posted miserable, nasty things as well as MIP6. He can deny it from now until doomsday...the IP's match and so does everything else. Now...I will work on releasing ALL of it. I was going to stop exposing those idiots and work only on Julia but that has all changed. Let the games begin............ Anyone who has anything...let it out NOW

MARK PURCELL: Meri don't ask for something unless you are prepared to go to the wall, we are and we are more than ready.


meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well. Where there was once compassion there now exists people wearing masks to cover up their inhumanity. Okay, that was a teensy bit dramatic but I am not in the mood for aliens at the moment I've had enough of the weirdos like Dayo and MIP6 and Reality...... They all speak the same words and obviously share a very small brain.

MARK PURCELL: Meri, it seems all of lady's at that site Truth4 seem to have a thing for me and my friend Reality.
I don't normally do charity work, but in your case you old bat, I 'll toss you quickie if you will just STFU.


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1552Location: The Deep South
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

Robin Holloway needs to be STOPPED! Debbie is allowing them to post on BFN knowing they have bashed Beth. What kind of BLOG is that? NOT for Natalee!!! Blog for Robin to bash Beth thats what BFN is. Blog for the dutch. Robin left Natalee on the beach. What an evil step-mother Robin, leave BETH alone!

MARK PURCELL: Speaking of delusional idiots, here we have Faith attacking Robin and calling her a bad parent.
Faith get a life bitch, you are another sad excuse for a human.

That is all for now I look forward to bringing more of the Truth4 morons out of the dark for all to see.
posted by MIP6 @ 1:57 PM  


Enough of the BS Already
Here we plan on scouring the internet to bring you the lowest of the low. Yep, that's right we are scraping the bottom of the human waste barrel.. to show depravity at it's worse.. Zealot overload.
So, as a we step out into the crap infested forums to bring the bile back up for you to read... Let's start out with the BS award for the day.......

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 166Location: On my Soapbox Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:43 am Post subject:

It's nice to see a new POV and I welcome you also, SB. There is a picture of Robin, Dave and Beth taken at the meeting. People are saying that it proves that there is no animosity between the three. Who would expect them to pose for a photo while pulling each other's hair out and kicking and screaming? Ofcourse they looked happy and smiled. That's what people do in public when they have their picture taken. What does this prove...Nothing. BFN is reaching for anything to prove that Robin and Beth are close and on the same page. Maybe they are...I would be surprised if Beth approved of all that Robin has done and of the people Robin supports since they are blatantly against the boycott in some cases and Beth is for it. A picture doesn't always speak a thousand words...but actions speak louder than ANY words. Until I hear directly from Beth that she supports BFN and Robin's friends like MIP6. Reality and others I will not read any meaning into a photo. As usual, BFN is reaching to give itself a reason for exisiting....it surely isn't doing anything positive to help find justice for Natalee. How can it when there are people posting obnoxious sexual content on a pro-Natalee site and where some of the members there are solidly against Beth Twitty? When differences of opinion are dealt with through the actions of deletions and banning....I place no credence in anything that they do. I believe that the BFN site should be re-classified as a hate site just like RU or Unusual Suspects..as a matter of fact, they have members in common even though they often use different nicknames to post under. I support sites where people have Natalee's best interests at heart. BFN is NOT one of them even though it may have started out that way. It is filled with malcontents who swerve off topic at the drop of a hat and where Beth is a target for the hatred of some of it's members. NO pictures or meetings will convince me that BFN is a place that is doing anything to further the search for justice for Natalee Holloway who disappeared 17 months ago. I expect to see this post over there or on some other hate site because that is another of their methods...they cut and paste things from other sites to prove how righteous they are and how other people's opinions are wrong or don't count. If I were to go directly to BFN and post this it would be deleted or I would be banned (which I probably already am) and I would be attacked by the usual suspects. The only way that a different opinion from theirs can appear on BFN is if they steal it in order to make fun of it. BFN is like a trip back to junior high school where the bullies congregate on the playground to pick on other kids. It is a shamful and disgusting example of what is wrong with the Internet. Those who seek the truth know better._________________



Town_CrierCaptain Joined: 11 Oct 2006Posts: 469Location: Deep, Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:28 am Post subject:

Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?

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FaithSite Admin Joined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1535Location: The Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:32 am Post subject:

Town_Crier wrote:
Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?
I don't know anything about Robin other than she seems to be the evil step mother by giving all the pics to Reality. Look at what Julia has done with them now. Reminder-Julia is Mark's friend. Reminder- Mark is speaking GOOD things about Beth now. I hope Robin is satisfied.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 11:39:23 PM
DAVE HOLLOWAY AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S TRUSTED BUDDIES

Friday, November 10, 2006
Exclusive Interview With Mark Purcell

GAGIRLI had the opportunity to sit down with Mark Purcell, and ask him a few questions about some of these internet rumours swirling around him.

Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer a few questions. First off, Faith the snake, was wondering " What do you know?" Could you enlighten the rest of us?

MARK PURCELL:Gagirl thanks for having me here today. So Faith the snake lady wants to know what I know, well as I told you back in the green room today I know a lot of things about different bloggers who have attached themselves to Natalee's case.


GAGIRL: I see, can you shed any light on the "Pod People"?

MARK PURCELL: Are you kidding me "Pod People"?


GAGIRL: Meri believes there are "Pod People" walking around. I believe this was from that movie was it Close Encounters or Dark Crystal?

MARK PURCELL: You can't be serious?

GAGIRL: No, She seriously believes it, let me refer you back to her post on T4N:
meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:
The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well.

MARK PURCELL: Whew.. ok then. Oh here we go...Pod People is a 1983 Spanish science fiction film directed by Juan Piquer Simón. Strange, I never bought into the alien abduction theory myself.

I did a little research on T4N, Tea for Nuts...(they don't drink kool-aid.)....Did you know that...
A new tea-plant nuts grow for five years before its leaves can be picked and, at 30 years of age, it will be too old to be productive. Well we know they are not productive! Excellent name choice guys!


GAGIRL: Ok, let me look at my notes here, Oh Deetch has a few questions for you.
That Deetch, he's quite the character....

Mark, Deetch would like to know if you masturbate?

MARK PUCELL: "Well Gagirl that is a bit of a personal question, but since I signed that contract to be completely forth cuming in this interview with you the answer is no.

*crosstalk* I'm not sure why that was important to Deetch, Mark..but of all the questions he could have submitted that was his choice.


MARK PURCELL: Right, I understand, but I don’t need to; between my wife and well, you have seen all those pictures of my South American Harem of Latin lovely’s who the hell has time or the energy to masturbate!!!!
Apparently Deetch has plenty of free time on his hands.
If it is not the wife jumping my bones every time I step out of the shower, my damn phone is ringing off the hook, “Papi it is Tuesday and you know what that means!”
Last month I finally got smart and bought stock in viagra just so I could recoup some of my expenses.

GAGIRL: Thanks for clearing that "up" Mark.. so it's viagra and not roofies I guess Deetch was drawing from personal experience again. Says a lot about the guy huh?

He also seems to have a thing for dikes.......hmmm I'm sensing a pattern here, how about you?

MARK PUCELL: You know Gagirl it is interesting that you mention that about Deetch’s proclivity for focusing on people’s sexual preference. After a review of the pictures we have been shown of Deetch, I had always wondered where I had seen him before.
So you and Deetch do have a history then?
As you know a few years ago I was a reserve officer for a local Police department in Texas.
One night while we were on patrol we caught a call to respond to an apartment complex not far from the space center to answer a disturbance of the peace call.

GAGIRL: The space center? NASA? interesting..

MARK PURCELL: Upon arrival we find this individual, white male, average build, kind of goofy looking chap, reminded me of one those nerds everyone picked on in school and I always had to rescue.
Anyway here this guy is running around the pool chasing a pot bellied pig, yelling “Honey don’t run away, you know you like it”. Damn pig was dressed up in a pink tutu.

GAGIRL: Yes, we have that photo you brought in thanks. We've blacked out T.C.'s face to protect his/her identity.


MARK PURCELL: So we stop him and cuff him & toss him in the back of the squad car, all the while he is screaming towards the pig, “Honey don’t let them do this to me, tell them how much I love you.”
But I have digressed a bit, this guy chasing the pig and the pictures of Deetch we have seen, if they aren’t the same person, then they could be twins.
I am going to have to call Mauves back at the Precinct to send me the mug shots we just have to be sure.

Bless his heart..He's sexually frustrated! And no wonder, you've seen the pics of some of these women...?
Yea, speaking of pigs, I now understand his attraction.

In those pictures I noticed one of those so-called women had a big old snake hanging all over her.
Now, as an advocate for animal rights, I am bit concerned about the fate of that poor snake.
It has been reported that shortly after that picture was taken the snake has not been seen since.
It was also reported to the animal rights tip line that the snake “had been abused, in a sexual manner”. That tip was called in anonymously.
So here today I am pleading with that tipster, please call our hot line back; we really need to talk to you. We need additional details of the abuse that poor snake suffered.
All of your information will be kept anonymous; we just need to hear back from you.

GAGIRL: Oh my! Well I hope that tipster reads this.

Back to Deetch for a moment, I think we've gotten to the "meat" of Deetch's fascination with you Mark.

Mark, do you think there is a little........Penis envy involved?

MARK PURCELL My sources told me "That Deetch, sure I remember him, even as a boy he was ALWAYS sizing the rest of us guys up in the john. In grade school, No one wanted to go to the bathroom breaks with Deetch"
Another childhood aquaintance reported, "Why if Deetch walked into the john, most of us would break mid-stream and leave."



Deetch's number: (EDITED BY KERMIT -  Mark Purcell posted his real phone number)
*remember caller id you might get a call back*

I am not sure if it is just Penis Envy, I mean to envy something you need to have one to compare to others to have any envy, right.
Of course he could be envying the fact that most other men do have a penis and he doesn’t, I am just not sure.
From the sources that have been interviewed it seems that Deetch’s penis would equate to a pimple on his ass. Kind of like being hung like a stud mouse.

I think what we are seeing here, based on the behaviors reported about his early life, it is more a leaning towards homosexual tendencies, now don’t get me wrong I think everyone is entitled to their personal sexual orientation as long as they fall with in legal boundaries, all he has to do is come out of the closet to be happy.[/color]

GAGIRL: Indeed, well Mark I would like to thank you again for sitting down with me and our readers and clearing up some of these rumours. I would like to leave our readers with a video that was sent in by an anonymous source. Reportedly this is actual footage of the T4N members.....I'll let the readers judge for themselves.
Tune in next time as Mark and I discuss a few of the other fruitloops from T4N.
posted by Gagirl @ 2:58 PM   
Thursday, November 09, 2006
Preview of Coming Attractions
Coming Soon to a blog near you:

Faith, Blonde, Town Crier, Mr. X, Auntum, Kidteachmom, Fearless Leader a special return appearance by Frank (Deetch) Simone and host of other assclowns all for your giggling pleasure.

You really do have to come back and see this when I am done; I am sitting here laughing so hard it is tough to type.

I have never seen so many freaky people.
Hint - one of them is even pictured with a darn snake.
posted by MIP6 @ 3:10 PM   
The Biggest Hater of them All
Not that many people know of or read at this blog yet, but those that do, I was wondering how many of you really know who Deetch is?

Could Deetch be what he claimed, an employee of NASA?
And if so was he part of the team that lost the Challenger?
Or is he one of the sleeping at the wheel employees found here at the RU site?
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=6374

Or possibly Deetch is Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

I am inclined to think that he is Frank *EDITED BY KERMIT MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

For those of you that enjoy the hate filled fiction that Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT) writes at his blogspot why not drop him a quick email at f
(EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED EMAIL INFORMATION)

I am sure he would love to hear from all of you, I mean really what has more priority, answering his fans email or taking his job at NASA seriously so that the safety and well being of our Americans in the space program have every chance of survival.
posted by MIP6 @ 6:25 AM   
Wednesday, November 01, 2006[/color

If you Helped in the Beginning…….
It seems that a lot of time and energy is being spent to attack some of those people who where involved with helping Natalee's family in the first 72 hours of Natalee going missing.


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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: Julia Renfro & Mark Purcell

What does Julia and Mark know? Julia aka Glenda @ FOB & RU (banned at RU) Mark aka MIP6 & Doc Holladay_________________~The Truth IS The Truth~ Thats all we're looking for.

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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:13 am Post subject:

Mark says Julia is his friend, if anyone gets to Julia again, they would have to go thru him. Something is very wrong with this picture.

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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:37 am Post subject:

IFA (international friends of Aruba) organized the FIRST searches AWAY FROM WHERE NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN. JULIA RENFRO & MARK PURCELL ARE MEMBERS OF IFA Wednesday morning, as Beth gave her statement to police, Renfro and Munzenhofer met in the Holiday Inn's lobby to organize the first search teams (Vanity Fair Article) http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true Wednesday 1st of June, the Royal Marines as well as local groups organized for people from Aruba and International Friends of Aruba searched especially in the area of the Lighthouse, Arashi, North of the Marriott and also in crack houses, with no results. The matter turned serious and fell under the charge of Commissioner Jan van der Straten of the Noord district, and chief prosecutor Karin Jansen was put in charge of the case. In the meantime, the FBI was already in Aruba. Bon Dia Aruba 12/31/2005


Why does this small band of hate in the name of Natalee people hate those who not only where on the scene helping long before the hate in Natalee's name group even had a clue as to where Aruba was?

Could part of this be there ego’s getting in the way?

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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:

And..I rest my case. This is Mark Purcell at his finest and this is Robin's friend. Beth may have been warned but obviously she is still being fooled or refuses to see the truth. Anyone who wishes to associate with these people deserve exactly what they get. I have given my last warning to that family. They can continue associating with pigs like Purcell if they see fit. I will offer no more assistence. Let them ask Debbie at BFN for help...or the RU board where Robin loves to read.
I think I may be right, as you can see in the bolded above, it seems not only is Meri jealousy that Beth does not listen to her ramblings, but it looks to me like Meri has threatened the family as well with her “final warning”.


posted by MIP6 @ 1:20 PM

Tuesday, October 31, 2006
They Just Don't Have a Clue
For weeks now the Hate in Natalee’s name site has done everything they can to help find answers for Natalee’s family, you know stuff like copying posts from BFN and making nasty comments about the people posting, and spending there days “researching” posters who don’t think in lock step with there single minded hate.
Yea this helps find the answers the family so desperately needs.
Why in their quest to find those elusive answers for the family they have even taken to attacking one of Natalee’s parents, her step mom Robin Holloway.
I had asked a long time ago to stop the hate in Natalee’s name, yet once I did that it seems the so called support site of Truth4 went into hyper drive with there hate.

See for yourself just how productive they have been:


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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:54 am Post subject:

The most important thing is this: We here at T4N are for the truth. Certain members were exposed from BFN and many BFN members don't like me anymore because I speak the truth. I've exposed the bashers post. Everyone knows it's true. I've given the post to Robin many times. I've given them to Suzie many times at her request to forward to Robin. I've done my part keeping the family, (Dave & Robin) informed as I was asked to do. The ball is in their court. Faith

MARK PURCELL: "Seems like Faith has spent a lot of time in her quest to find answers in Natalee's disapperance. Not.


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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

Sometmes it doesn't pay to be nice or to try and make peace. When people are completely ignorant it is hard to get through to them. When people lie and lie and lie it's hard to get through to them. When people make a grieving mother stand in the same room with men who called her every name in the book and insulted her missing daughter it's hard to get through to them. And I am ACCUSED of driving a wedge between family members???? Anyone that would allow the mother of Natalee Holloway to be exposed to such people deserve NO consideration whatsever. If they want us to back off of them they had better do the same in return. I am not going to take any crap from anyone at any site. I am sick and tired of threats and accusations. If you want the fighting to stop then cease and desist from doing it yourselves. It's a pity that a sad case like this has so many stupid, uncaring and outright devious people involved. I don't care if you support the boycott...that's a personal choice; but I DO care if people bash Beth. How can anyone say that they are trying to help when they bash the mother of the missing person?

MARK PURCELL: Hey Meri, if the shoe fits bitch, oh you know the rest.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject:

So How low did Debbie go? Reality read her mail, she obviously allowed him. I read Rob's original letter, it was right on the money. Why did he apologize? Because he got a call from Robin, telling him how hurt Debbie was??? To me, all I see here is major manipulation!!!
MARK PURCELL: "Auntiem better known as Kindteachmom @ BFN lives in some sort of fantasy land.

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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

My peace offering is RETRACTED They want war...they will GET war. I haven't even begun to fight. I have reached the end of my patience and the end of my tolerance. There is NO MORE room for playing nice. You cannot appease people like this because they don't understand what that means. Rob can decide what he wants to do and I will respect whatever that is because he is my friend...but this is what I am going to do. If they dare bring Beth together with those creatures they won't know what hit them before I am through. I only posted one tenth of what I have on the BFN people.....there is a LOT more where that came from. There is IP proof that Reality has posted miserable, nasty things as well as MIP6. He can deny it from now until doomsday...the IP's match and so does everything else. Now...I will work on releasing ALL of it. I was going to stop exposing those idiots and work only on Julia but that has all changed. Let the games begin............ Anyone who has anything...let it out NOW

MARK PURCELL: Meri don't ask for something unless you are prepared to go to the wall, we are and we are more than ready.


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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well. Where there was once compassion there now exists people wearing masks to cover up their inhumanity. Okay, that was a teensy bit dramatic but I am not in the mood for aliens at the moment I've had enough of the weirdos like Dayo and MIP6 and Reality...... They all speak the same words and obviously share a very small brain.

MARK PURCELL: Meri, it seems all of lady's at that site Truth4 seem to have a thing for me and my friend Reality.
I don't normally do charity work, but in your case you old bat, I 'll toss you quickie if you will just STFU.


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Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

Robin Holloway needs to be STOPPED! Debbie is allowing them to post on BFN knowing they have bashed Beth. What kind of BLOG is that? NOT for Natalee!!! Blog for Robin to bash Beth thats what BFN is. Blog for the dutch. Robin left Natalee on the beach. What an evil step-mother Robin, leave BETH alone!

MARK PURCELL: Speaking of delusional idiots, here we have Faith attacking Robin and calling her a bad parent.
Faith get a life bitch, you are another sad excuse for a human.

That is all for now I look forward to bringing more of the Truth4 morons out of the dark for all to see.
posted by MIP6 @ 1:57 PM   


Enough of the BS Already
Here we plan on scouring the internet to bring you the lowest of the low. Yep, that's right we are scraping the bottom of the human waste barrel.. to show depravity at it's worse.. Zealot overload.
So, as a we step out into the crap infested forums to bring the bile back up for you to read... Let's start out with the BS award for the day.......

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 166Location: On my Soapbox Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:43 am Post subject:

It's nice to see a new POV and I welcome you also, SB. There is a picture of Robin, Dave and Beth taken at the meeting. People are saying that it proves that there is no animosity between the three. Who would expect them to pose for a photo while pulling each other's hair out and kicking and screaming? Ofcourse they looked happy and smiled. That's what people do in public when they have their picture taken. What does this prove...Nothing. BFN is reaching for anything to prove that Robin and Beth are close and on the same page. Maybe they are...I would be surprised if Beth approved of all that Robin has done and of the people Robin supports since they are blatantly against the boycott in some cases and Beth is for it. A picture doesn't always speak a thousand words...but actions speak louder than ANY words. Until I hear directly from Beth that she supports BFN and Robin's friends like MIP6. Reality and others I will not read any meaning into a photo. As usual, BFN is reaching to give itself a reason for exisiting....it surely isn't doing anything positive to help find justice for Natalee. How can it when there are people posting obnoxious sexual content on a pro-Natalee site and where some of the members there are solidly against Beth Twitty? When differences of opinion are dealt with through the actions of deletions and banning....I place no credence in anything that they do. I believe that the BFN site should be re-classified as a hate site just like RU or Unusual Suspects..as a matter of fact, they have members in common even though they often use different nicknames to post under. I support sites where people have Natalee's best interests at heart. BFN is NOT one of them even though it may have started out that way. It is filled with malcontents who swerve off topic at the drop of a hat and where Beth is a target for the hatred of some of it's members. NO pictures or meetings will convince me that BFN is a place that is doing anything to further the search for justice for Natalee Holloway who disappeared 17 months ago. I expect to see this post over there or on some other hate site because that is another of their methods...they cut and paste things from other sites to prove how righteous they are and how other people's opinions are wrong or don't count. If I were to go directly to BFN and post this it would be deleted or I would be banned (which I probably already am) and I would be attacked by the usual suspects. The only way that a different opinion from theirs can appear on BFN is if they steal it in order to make fun of it. BFN is like a trip back to junior high school where the bullies congregate on the playground to pick on other kids. It is a shamful and disgusting example of what is wrong with the Internet. Those who seek the truth know better._________________



Town_CrierCaptain Joined: 11 Oct 2006Posts: 469Location: Deep, Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:28 am Post subject:

Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?

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FaithSite Admin Joined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1535Location: The Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:32 am Post subject:

Town_Crier wrote:
Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?
I don't know anything about Robin other than she seems to be the evil step mother by giving all the pics to Reality. Look at what Julia has done with them now. Reminder-Julia is Mark's friend. Reminder- Mark is speaking GOOD things about Beth now. I hope Robin is satisfied.
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 11:40:11 PM
Hello all,
 Just sittin and readin...which is what  i do more of these days than postin...BUT i do have a question, i seen this like...oh heck,  i lost count how many times...what the heck does this mean?  "prodical Monkeys "??
TYIA :)

Prodigal monkeys is a reference to those who are no longer here...imo


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 11:40:20 PM
Sorry I did not mean to post it twice. Although reading it twice might be a good idea!

 ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 26, 2009, 11:42:33 PM


Hi billb!  You look mahhhvelous!  And very distinguished too!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Oh,quit it TM!!You're just a Hobbit groupie.....  ::MonkeyTease::

Yeah Baby!   ::MonkeySkate::

You're just jealous!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:46:06 PM
There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is dead.
The words of the suspects can not be trusted.

There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is alive..

Years later Amy shows up in photo in the area everyone is searching for Natalee in. Yet for the most part that was ignored.. Nobody did a serious search for Amy.
If Amy could be kept alive all these years, is it not reasonable to assume that the same characters that took Amy could have Natalee also ????

Another one was Marcos in Nicaragua... There has never been any reasonable explanation from Tim Miller or Dave Holloway as to what happened in the end of that situation.. Marcos had been interviewed on film!! and he also carried a GPS device !!
Yet the story just died ...WHY ? Even If Marcos lied, he is directly involved with people that know the truth. Nicaragua is just to isolated for Marcos to have kept up with this story on Natalee in my humble opinion. To go 2 steps further and contact Dave from Nicaragua.. Unbelievable.

2 different situations.. Amy and Marcos
One leads to a possible live Natalee and the other leads to a possible dead Natalee, yet neither one was followed up on.

To this day there is no proof... ALL opinions and writings are just that, personal opinions.


There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is dead.
The words of the suspects can not be trusted.

There is absolutely no proof of any kind that Natalee Holloway is alive..

Although I firmly believe the perps (paulass, urine, k2, freddie, guido) are directly responsible for Natalee's death...there is a sliver of doubt that a completely different scenario may have happened that we are all unaware...
Until the TRUTH is revealed, it is always a risk to get comfortable in a particular assumption, which limits the ability to look at all possibilities, regardless of how off base they may appear...
What if?... I don't know....but I'm open to any possibility that might bring Natalee home.
urine also said he sold Natalee.....another Amy?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:46:06 PM
Hello all,
 Just sittin and readin...which is what  i do more of these days than postin...BUT i do have a question, i seen this like...oh heck,  i lost count how many times...what the heck does this mean?  "prodical Monkeys "??
TYIA :)

Prodical Monkeys (my term) are former Scared Monkeys who made an exodus to Gold Monkeys (GM) and Chat & Grumble ... who have not returned to SM asking forgiveness.

Janet

The exodus involved Scared Monkeys who supported John Silvetti as well as four headed CAPS.  They were livid because Kermit dared to expose Kyle Kingman's own words which revealed a John Silvetti betrayal when he afforded what could have been Natalee Holloway's remains to the enemy.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 26, 2009, 11:47:55 PM
There is a point.  A point I will not share in an environment where Dave Holloway is viewed as an unwitting victim of a manipulating wife ... a victim without a will of his own .. a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter.

Janet, I believe the bolded are your interpretions and not what was said by anyone on this forum except you.

Magnolia

I "interpreted" the follow post to imply that the his marriage and relationship with his girls could possibly be in the balance if he did not conform with his wife in regards to the Mark Purcell relationship.

Janet

+++++


Maybe Dave's "price/incentive" is peace in his home and the ability to stay in the lives of his other two daughters.


Janet, nowhere in MY post is there any mention of Dave being an" unwitting victim", "a victim without a will of his own",
or "a victim who can no longer take a stand for his precious daughter".  Those are your words....not mine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:49:21 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
Thanks for the reminder. ::MonkeyAngel::

Wouldn't it be nice if Robots paid the Monkeys a visit tonight?  He made so many Monkeys happy the other night.

Yes it would!!! I'm hoping he'll pop up around 10:00! I asked him to anyway! On that note, I was thinking about billb, and this is what I came up with. The name billb always reminded me of bilbo. But the picture didn't really fit him, SO................
Since Bilbo slayed a dragon, and since we were about to give him Robot's avi, I got to thinking that a dragon is sort of like Robot's "raptor", except with skin!   ::MonkeyHaHa:: Anyway, here's one for billb, if he wants it:

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/billb1.gif)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/originals/billb1.gif

Now, Robots............. this is for YOU!  OHM, OHM, OHM.......
CBB...Thank you so much for your time and efforts to fit me with an avi....
I think I'll stick with the bilbo2 you presented last night...and Klaas set up...
Thank you both!...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 26, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
The term is PRODIGAL as in the Bible's parable "The Prodigal Son".




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 26, 2009, 11:50:55 PM
Kermit ... thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 26, 2009, 11:54:03 PM
The term is PRODIGAL as in the Bible's parable "The Prodigal Son".




Exactly, Wreck. 

prodigal definition
prodi·gal (präd′i gəl)

adjective

exceedingly or recklessly wasteful
extremely generous; lavish prodigal with one's praise
extremely abundant; profuse
Etymology: MFr < L prodigus, prodigal < prodigere, to drive forth or away, waste < pro-, forth + agere, to drive: see pro- & act

noun

a person who wastes his means; spendthrift
http://www.yourdictionary.com/prodigal


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 26, 2009, 11:54:49 PM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.
Nicely said snoopy....
I'm sure that's why we are here also...to help Beth and Dave go forward....SM can do help with the heavy lifting...
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 26, 2009, 11:56:09 PM
Kermit ... thanks.

Janet

You are most welcome.

I'm off. Gotta another plan in the works.  ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Hello all,
 Just sittin and readin...which is what  i do more of these days than postin...BUT i do have a question, i seen this like...oh heck,  i lost count how many times...what the heck does this mean?  "prodical Monkeys "??
TYIA :)

Prodical Monkeys (my term) are former Scared Monkeys who made an exodus to Gold Monkeys (GM) and Chat & Grumble ... who have not returned to SM asking forgiveness.

Janet


Janet..wow...all i can say is ....WOW..(after a LONG post i decided to just delete) I will just say ...ummm thanks for answerin......

oh, one more question,  i guess...when did it become anyone's business and right to  say how a family of a missing child should act or not act or do or not do or who they choose to asscociate with or not to associate with?...when were people given that right to insert and interfere and judge these people for so many years day in and day out?? Just wonderin....

pls note..if this post is jumpy it's cause of this stupid IE8...I can't even see my dang typos to correct them lol and knowin me, im sure there are plenty ...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:06:33 AM
DAVE HOLLOWAY AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S TRUSTED BUDDIES

Friday, November 10, 2006
Exclusive Interview With Mark Purcell

GAGIRLI had the opportunity to sit down with Mark Purcell, and ask him a few questions about some of these internet rumours swirling around him.

Mark, thanks for taking the time to answer a few questions. First off, Faith the snake, was wondering " What do you know?" Could you enlighten the rest of us?

MARK PURCELL:Gagirl thanks for having me here today. So Faith the snake lady wants to know what I know, well as I told you back in the green room today I know a lot of things about different bloggers who have attached themselves to Natalee's case.


GAGIRL: I see, can you shed any light on the "Pod People"?

MARK PURCELL: Are you kidding me "Pod People"?


GAGIRL: Meri believes there are "Pod People" walking around. I believe this was from that movie was it Close Encounters or Dark Crystal?

MARK PURCELL: You can't be serious?

GAGIRL: No, She seriously believes it, let me refer you back to her post on T4N:
meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:
The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well.

MARK PURCELL: Whew.. ok then. Oh here we go...Pod People is a 1983 Spanish science fiction film directed by Juan Piquer Simón. Strange, I never bought into the alien abduction theory myself.

I did a little research on T4N, Tea for Nuts...(they don't drink kool-aid.)....Did you know that...
A new tea-plant nuts grow for five years before its leaves can be picked and, at 30 years of age, it will be too old to be productive. Well we know they are not productive! Excellent name choice guys!


GAGIRL: Ok, let me look at my notes here, Oh Deetch has a few questions for you.
That Deetch, he's quite the character....

Mark, Deetch would like to know if you masturbate?

MARK PUCELL: "Well Gagirl that is a bit of a personal question, but since I signed that contract to be completely forth cuming in this interview with you the answer is no.

*crosstalk* I'm not sure why that was important to Deetch, Mark..but of all the questions he could have submitted that was his choice.


MARK PURCELL: Right, I understand, but I don’t need to; between my wife and well, you have seen all those pictures of my South American Harem of Latin lovely’s who the hell has time or the energy to masturbate!!!!
Apparently Deetch has plenty of free time on his hands.
If it is not the wife jumping my bones every time I step out of the shower, my damn phone is ringing off the hook, “Papi it is Tuesday and you know what that means!”
Last month I finally got smart and bought stock in viagra just so I could recoup some of my expenses.

GAGIRL: Thanks for clearing that "up" Mark.. so it's viagra and not roofies I guess Deetch was drawing from personal experience again. Says a lot about the guy huh?

He also seems to have a thing for dikes.......hmmm I'm sensing a pattern here, how about you?

MARK PUCELL: You know Gagirl it is interesting that you mention that about Deetch’s proclivity for focusing on people’s sexual preference. After a review of the pictures we have been shown of Deetch, I had always wondered where I had seen him before.
So you and Deetch do have a history then?
As you know a few years ago I was a reserve officer for a local Police department in Texas.
One night while we were on patrol we caught a call to respond to an apartment complex not far from the space center to answer a disturbance of the peace call.

GAGIRL: The space center? NASA? interesting..

MARK PURCELL: Upon arrival we find this individual, white male, average build, kind of goofy looking chap, reminded me of one those nerds everyone picked on in school and I always had to rescue.
Anyway here this guy is running around the pool chasing a pot bellied pig, yelling “Honey don’t run away, you know you like it”. Damn pig was dressed up in a pink tutu.

GAGIRL: Yes, we have that photo you brought in thanks. We've blacked out T.C.'s face to protect his/her identity.


MARK PURCELL: So we stop him and cuff him & toss him in the back of the squad car, all the while he is screaming towards the pig, “Honey don’t let them do this to me, tell them how much I love you.”
But I have digressed a bit, this guy chasing the pig and the pictures of Deetch we have seen, if they aren’t the same person, then they could be twins.
I am going to have to call Mauves back at the Precinct to send me the mug shots we just have to be sure.

Bless his heart..He's sexually frustrated! And no wonder, you've seen the pics of some of these women...?
Yea, speaking of pigs, I now understand his attraction.

In those pictures I noticed one of those so-called women had a big old snake hanging all over her.
Now, as an advocate for animal rights, I am bit concerned about the fate of that poor snake.
It has been reported that shortly after that picture was taken the snake has not been seen since.
It was also reported to the animal rights tip line that the snake “had been abused, in a sexual manner”. That tip was called in anonymously.
So here today I am pleading with that tipster, please call our hot line back; we really need to talk to you. We need additional details of the abuse that poor snake suffered.
All of your information will be kept anonymous; we just need to hear back from you.

GAGIRL: Oh my! Well I hope that tipster reads this.

Back to Deetch for a moment, I think we've gotten to the "meat" of Deetch's fascination with you Mark.

Mark, do you think there is a little........Penis envy involved?

MARK PURCELL My sources told me "That Deetch, sure I remember him, even as a boy he was ALWAYS sizing the rest of us guys up in the john. In grade school, No one wanted to go to the bathroom breaks with Deetch"
Another childhood aquaintance reported, "Why if Deetch walked into the john, most of us would break mid-stream and leave."



Deetch's number: (EDITED BY KERMIT -  Mark Purcell posted his real phone number)
*remember caller id you might get a call back*

I am not sure if it is just Penis Envy, I mean to envy something you need to have one to compare to others to have any envy, right.
Of course he could be envying the fact that most other men do have a penis and he doesn’t, I am just not sure.
From the sources that have been interviewed it seems that Deetch’s penis would equate to a pimple on his ass. Kind of like being hung like a stud mouse.

I think what we are seeing here, based on the behaviors reported about his early life, it is more a leaning towards homosexual tendencies, now don’t get me wrong I think everyone is entitled to their personal sexual orientation as long as they fall with in legal boundaries, all he has to do is come out of the closet to be happy.[/color]

GAGIRL: Indeed, well Mark I would like to thank you again for sitting down with me and our readers and clearing up some of these rumours. I would like to leave our readers with a video that was sent in by an anonymous source. Reportedly this is actual footage of the T4N members.....I'll let the readers judge for themselves.
Tune in next time as Mark and I discuss a few of the other fruitloops from T4N.
posted by Gagirl @ 2:58 PM  
Thursday, November 09, 2006
Preview of Coming Attractions
Coming Soon to a blog near you:

Faith, Blonde, Town Crier, Mr. X, Auntum, Kidteachmom, Fearless Leader a special return appearance by Frank (Deetch) Simone and host of other assclowns all for your giggling pleasure.

You really do have to come back and see this when I am done; I am sitting here laughing so hard it is tough to type.

I have never seen so many freaky people.
Hint - one of them is even pictured with a darn snake.
posted by MIP6 @ 3:10 PM  
The Biggest Hater of them All
Not that many people know of or read at this blog yet, but those that do, I was wondering how many of you really know who Deetch is?

Could Deetch be what he claimed, an employee of NASA?
And if so was he part of the team that lost the Challenger?
Or is he one of the sleeping at the wheel employees found here at the RU site?
http://www.refugeesunleashed.net/viewtopic.php?t=6374

Or possibly Deetch is Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

I am inclined to think that he is Frank *EDITED BY KERMIT MARK PURCELL POSTED DEETCH'S PERSONAL INFORMATION).

For those of you that enjoy the hate filled fiction that Frank (EDITED BY KERMIT) writes at his blogspot why not drop him a quick email at f
(EDITED BY KERMIT - MARK PURCELL POSTED EMAIL INFORMATION)

I am sure he would love to hear from all of you, I mean really what has more priority, answering his fans email or taking his job at NASA seriously so that the safety and well being of our Americans in the space program have every chance of survival.
posted by MIP6 @ 6:25 AM  
Wednesday, November 01, 2006[/color

If you Helped in the Beginning…….
It seems that a lot of time and energy is being spent to attack some of those people who where involved with helping Natalee's family in the first 72 hours of Natalee going missing.


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1568Location: The Deep South
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: Julia Renfro & Mark Purcell

What does Julia and Mark know? Julia aka Glenda @ FOB & RU (banned at RU) Mark aka MIP6 & Doc Holladay_________________~The Truth IS The Truth~ Thats all we're looking for.

FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1568Location: The Deep South
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:13 am Post subject:

Mark says Julia is his friend, if anyone gets to Julia again, they would have to go thru him. Something is very wrong with this picture.

kermitLieutenantJoined: 11 Oct 2006Posts: 66
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 5:37 am Post subject:

IFA (international friends of Aruba) organized the FIRST searches AWAY FROM WHERE NATALEE WAS LAST SEEN. JULIA RENFRO & MARK PURCELL ARE MEMBERS OF IFA Wednesday morning, as Beth gave her statement to police, Renfro and Munzenhofer met in the Holiday Inn's lobby to organize the first search teams (Vanity Fair Article) http://www.vanityfair.com/commentary/content/printables/060102roco01?print=true Wednesday 1st of June, the Royal Marines as well as local groups organized for people from Aruba and International Friends of Aruba searched especially in the area of the Lighthouse, Arashi, North of the Marriott and also in crack houses, with no results. The matter turned serious and fell under the charge of Commissioner Jan van der Straten of the Noord district, and chief prosecutor Karin Jansen was put in charge of the case. In the meantime, the FBI was already in Aruba. Bon Dia Aruba 12/31/2005


Why does this small band of hate in the name of Natalee people hate those who not only where on the scene helping long before the hate in Natalee's name group even had a clue as to where Aruba was?

Could part of this be there ego’s getting in the way?

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 170Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 6:12 am Post subject:

And..I rest my case. This is Mark Purcell at his finest and this is Robin's friend. Beth may have been warned but obviously she is still being fooled or refuses to see the truth. Anyone who wishes to associate with these people deserve exactly what they get. I have given my last warning to that family. They can continue associating with pigs like Purcell if they see fit. I will offer no more assistence. Let them ask Debbie at BFN for help...or the RU board where Robin loves to read.
I think I may be right, as you can see in the bolded above, it seems not only is Meri jealousy that Beth does not listen to her ramblings, but it looks to me like Meri has threatened the family as well with her “final warning”.


posted by MIP6 @ 1:20 PM

Tuesday, October 31, 2006
They Just Don't Have a Clue
For weeks now the Hate in Natalee’s name site has done everything they can to help find answers for Natalee’s family, you know stuff like copying posts from BFN and making nasty comments about the people posting, and spending there days “researching” posters who don’t think in lock step with there single minded hate.
Yea this helps find the answers the family so desperately needs.
Why in their quest to find those elusive answers for the family they have even taken to attacking one of Natalee’s parents, her step mom Robin Holloway.
I had asked a long time ago to stop the hate in Natalee’s name, yet once I did that it seems the so called support site of Truth4 went into hyper drive with there hate.

See for yourself just how productive they have been:


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1552Location: The Deep South
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:54 am Post subject:

The most important thing is this: We here at T4N are for the truth. Certain members were exposed from BFN and many BFN members don't like me anymore because I speak the truth. I've exposed the bashers post. Everyone knows it's true. I've given the post to Robin many times. I've given them to Suzie many times at her request to forward to Robin. I've done my part keeping the family, (Dave & Robin) informed as I was asked to do. The ball is in their court. Faith

MARK PURCELL: "Seems like Faith has spent a lot of time in her quest to find answers in Natalee's disapperance. Not.


meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 166Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:30 pm Post subject:

Sometmes it doesn't pay to be nice or to try and make peace. When people are completely ignorant it is hard to get through to them. When people lie and lie and lie it's hard to get through to them. When people make a grieving mother stand in the same room with men who called her every name in the book and insulted her missing daughter it's hard to get through to them. And I am ACCUSED of driving a wedge between family members???? Anyone that would allow the mother of Natalee Holloway to be exposed to such people deserve NO consideration whatsever. If they want us to back off of them they had better do the same in return. I am not going to take any crap from anyone at any site. I am sick and tired of threats and accusations. If you want the fighting to stop then cease and desist from doing it yourselves. It's a pity that a sad case like this has so many stupid, uncaring and outright devious people involved. I don't care if you support the boycott...that's a personal choice; but I DO care if people bash Beth. How can anyone say that they are trying to help when they bash the mother of the missing person?

MARK PURCELL: Hey Meri, if the shoe fits bitch, oh you know the rest.

AuntiemCadetJoined: 10 Oct 2006Posts: 43
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:52 pm Post subject:

So How low did Debbie go? Reality read her mail, she obviously allowed him. I read Rob's original letter, it was right on the money. Why did he apologize? Because he got a call from Robin, telling him how hurt Debbie was??? To me, all I see here is major manipulation!!!
MARK PURCELL: "Auntiem better known as Kindteachmom @ BFN lives in some sort of fantasy land.

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject:

My peace offering is RETRACTED They want war...they will GET war. I haven't even begun to fight. I have reached the end of my patience and the end of my tolerance. There is NO MORE room for playing nice. You cannot appease people like this because they don't understand what that means. Rob can decide what he wants to do and I will respect whatever that is because he is my friend...but this is what I am going to do. If they dare bring Beth together with those creatures they won't know what hit them before I am through. I only posted one tenth of what I have on the BFN people.....there is a LOT more where that came from. There is IP proof that Reality has posted miserable, nasty things as well as MIP6. He can deny it from now until doomsday...the IP's match and so does everything else. Now...I will work on releasing ALL of it. I was going to stop exposing those idiots and work only on Julia but that has all changed. Let the games begin............ Anyone who has anything...let it out NOW

MARK PURCELL: Meri don't ask for something unless you are prepared to go to the wall, we are and we are more than ready.


meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 167Location: On my Soapbox
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

The only Pod People that I have observed exist on BFN and their leader is the Admin. The REAL humans have been replaced by evil creatures from a dark planet. I also believe that a certain area in Mississippi has been invaded as well. Where there was once compassion there now exists people wearing masks to cover up their inhumanity. Okay, that was a teensy bit dramatic but I am not in the mood for aliens at the moment I've had enough of the weirdos like Dayo and MIP6 and Reality...... They all speak the same words and obviously share a very small brain.

MARK PURCELL: Meri, it seems all of lady's at that site Truth4 seem to have a thing for me and my friend Reality.
I don't normally do charity work, but in your case you old bat, I 'll toss you quickie if you will just STFU.


FaithSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1552Location: The Deep South
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 3:03 pm Post subject:

Robin Holloway needs to be STOPPED! Debbie is allowing them to post on BFN knowing they have bashed Beth. What kind of BLOG is that? NOT for Natalee!!! Blog for Robin to bash Beth thats what BFN is. Blog for the dutch. Robin left Natalee on the beach. What an evil step-mother Robin, leave BETH alone!

MARK PURCELL: Speaking of delusional idiots, here we have Faith attacking Robin and calling her a bad parent.
Faith get a life bitch, you are another sad excuse for a human.

That is all for now I look forward to bringing more of the Truth4 morons out of the dark for all to see.
posted by MIP6 @ 1:57 PM  


Enough of the BS Already
Here we plan on scouring the internet to bring you the lowest of the low. Yep, that's right we are scraping the bottom of the human waste barrel.. to show depravity at it's worse.. Zealot overload.
So, as a we step out into the crap infested forums to bring the bile back up for you to read... Let's start out with the BS award for the day.......

meriSite AdminJoined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 166Location: On my Soapbox Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 4:43 am Post subject:

It's nice to see a new POV and I welcome you also, SB. There is a picture of Robin, Dave and Beth taken at the meeting. People are saying that it proves that there is no animosity between the three. Who would expect them to pose for a photo while pulling each other's hair out and kicking and screaming? Ofcourse they looked happy and smiled. That's what people do in public when they have their picture taken. What does this prove...Nothing. BFN is reaching for anything to prove that Robin and Beth are close and on the same page. Maybe they are...I would be surprised if Beth approved of all that Robin has done and of the people Robin supports since they are blatantly against the boycott in some cases and Beth is for it. A picture doesn't always speak a thousand words...but actions speak louder than ANY words. Until I hear directly from Beth that she supports BFN and Robin's friends like MIP6. Reality and others I will not read any meaning into a photo. As usual, BFN is reaching to give itself a reason for exisiting....it surely isn't doing anything positive to help find justice for Natalee. How can it when there are people posting obnoxious sexual content on a pro-Natalee site and where some of the members there are solidly against Beth Twitty? When differences of opinion are dealt with through the actions of deletions and banning....I place no credence in anything that they do. I believe that the BFN site should be re-classified as a hate site just like RU or Unusual Suspects..as a matter of fact, they have members in common even though they often use different nicknames to post under. I support sites where people have Natalee's best interests at heart. BFN is NOT one of them even though it may have started out that way. It is filled with malcontents who swerve off topic at the drop of a hat and where Beth is a target for the hatred of some of it's members. NO pictures or meetings will convince me that BFN is a place that is doing anything to further the search for justice for Natalee Holloway who disappeared 17 months ago. I expect to see this post over there or on some other hate site because that is another of their methods...they cut and paste things from other sites to prove how righteous they are and how other people's opinions are wrong or don't count. If I were to go directly to BFN and post this it would be deleted or I would be banned (which I probably already am) and I would be attacked by the usual suspects. The only way that a different opinion from theirs can appear on BFN is if they steal it in order to make fun of it. BFN is like a trip back to junior high school where the bullies congregate on the playground to pick on other kids. It is a shamful and disgusting example of what is wrong with the Internet. Those who seek the truth know better._________________



Town_CrierCaptain Joined: 11 Oct 2006Posts: 469Location: Deep, Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:28 am Post subject:

Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?

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FaithSite Admin Joined: 09 Oct 2006Posts: 1535Location: The Deep South Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 6:32 am Post subject:

Town_Crier wrote:
Robin looks like she has put on a little weight. Wonder if she has turned to food due to all of this. What is known about Robin's background? Is she an educated woman? Does she have a career other than homemaker?
I don't know anything about Robin other than she seems to be the evil step mother by giving all the pics to Reality. Look at what Julia has done with them now. Reminder-Julia is Mark's friend. Reminder- Mark is speaking GOOD things about Beth now. I hope Robin is satisfied.
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This IS disgusting.....
Just for the record...
I HATE THEM ALL....

Kermit....Thanks for bringing this forward.....american traitors....I hope the death penalty applies...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:07:23 AM

Hi Seamonkey, I had to go grab a banana since you kept teasing me with yours!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 12:09:39 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 12:11:26 AM

Hi Seamonkey, I had to go grab a banana since you kept teasing me with yours!   ::MonkeyHaHa::
Hiya tm..lol...i saw that and found it so funny lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 12:13:36 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.

Oh ty ty ty , that would be great if there is a way to fix that...it makes my eyes buggy and head go boom boom pow lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:17:13 AM
DAVE HOLLOWAY AND ROBIN HOLLOWAY'S TRUSTED BUDDIES

snip
This IS disgusting.....
Just for the record...
I HATE THEM ALL....

Kermit....Thanks for bringing this forward.....american traitors....I hope the death penalty applies...

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 12:19:09 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:19:31 AM
Where did KTF go?  Maybe he's catching up!

I was just kiddin' with ya KTF!  It was good to see you, I've missed you! ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:22:12 AM
Where did KTF go?  Maybe he's catching up!

I was just kiddin' with ya KTF!  It was good to see you, I've missed you! ::MonkeyCheer3::



I know TM!No worries whatsoever..BillB is a lil' more needy so please lavish him with attention before he goes on his river trip!It could be long and arduos for Billb ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 12:22:54 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"

Ok testing one two threeeeeeeeeee
lala
alala
alala
YIPppEeeeee!! It worked, thankys soooOoo much!!!  ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:23:34 AM
Where did KTF go?  Maybe he's catching up!

I was just kiddin' with ya KTF!  It was good to see you, I've missed you! ::MonkeyCheer3::



I know TM!No worries whatsoever..BillB is a lil' more needy so please lavish him with attention before he goes on his river trip!It could be long and arduos for Billb ::MonkeyDevil::

No pun intended Billb.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Ned butty agrees ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 12:24:16 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"

Thank you Wreck,
I have had a terrible time with that jumpin' thing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:27:28 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"

Thank you Wreck,
I have had a terrible time with that jumpin' thing.

No excuses Magnolia!It's just your boat rockin!Wanna go on a river trip? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 12:31:02 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"

Thank you Wreck,
I have had a terrible time with that jumpin' thing.

No excuses Magnolia!It's just your boat rockin!Wanna go on a river trip? ::MonkeyLaugh::

Yeah, I 'll come and bring my banjo!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:31:11 AM
Where did KTF go?  Maybe he's catching up!

I was just kiddin' with ya KTF!  It was good to see you, I've missed you! ::MonkeyCheer3::



I know TM!No worries whatsoever..BillB is a lil' more needy so please lavish him with attention before he goes on his river trip!It could be long and arduos for Billb ::MonkeyDevil::

No pun intended Billb.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Ned butty agrees ::MonkeyBike::
None taken KTF...but I won't be a butt man.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:32:47 AM
Where did KTF go?  Maybe he's catching up!

I was just kiddin' with ya KTF!  It was good to see you, I've missed you! ::MonkeyCheer3::



I know TM!No worries whatsoever..BillB is a lil' more needy so please lavish him with attention before he goes on his river trip!It could be long and arduos for Billb ::MonkeyDevil::

No pun intended Billb.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: Ned butty agrees ::MonkeyBike::
None taken KTF...but I won't be a butt man.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 27, 2009, 12:33:56 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 12:36:56 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.

Nite, Mere and thanks!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 12:38:49 AM
Wreck,

Can you tell Seamonkey how to set IE8 to Compatibility Mode?  Since you possted that and I did it, it made all the difference in my computer's performancr with IE8.  I just can't find it now and don't remember how to do it.
In IE 8 :

Go to "Tools" > "Compatability View Settings" > put a checkmark in the box "Display All Websites in Compatability View"

Ok testing one two threeeeeeeeeee
lala
alala
alala
YIPppEeeeee!! It worked, thankys soooOoo much!!!  ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeySkate:: ::MonkeyBike::


 ::MonkeyHeart::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:39:35 AM
Edward brought up a good point earlier....Amy and marcos wrt to Natalee....and then urine confessing that he sold Natalee....
Could we just be off track? focusing on Natalee's demise...
Personalty, knowing Dave was a Navy Seal....I'd sign up immediately to help him take action against any of the perps to 'persuade' them to talk.... I'd start with "scared running man"....I'd also save time for tacopenis....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:39:39 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.

GoodNight & God Bless!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:42:05 AM
Edward brought up a good point earlier....Amy and marcos wrt to Natalee....and then urine confessing that he sold Natalee....
Could we just be off track? focusing on Natalee's demise...
Personally , knowing Dave was a Navy Seal....I'd sign up immediately to help him take action against any of the perps to 'persuade' them to talk.... I'd start with "scared running man"....I'd also save time for tacopenis....
self edit


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:42:42 AM
Edward brought up a good point earlier....Amy and marcos wrt to Natalee....and then urine confessing that he sold Natalee....
Could we just be off track? focusing on Natalee's demise...
Personalty, knowing Dave was a Navy Seal....I'd sign up immediately to help him take action against any of the perps to 'persuade' them to talk.... I'd start with "scared running man"....I'd also save time for tacopenis....

I'm there... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:43:33 AM
Edward brought up a good point earlier....Amy and marcos wrt to Natalee....and then urine confessing that he sold Natalee....
Could we just be off track? focusing on Natalee's demise...
Personalty, knowing Dave was a Navy Seal....I'd sign up immediately to help him take action against any of the perps to 'persuade' them to talk.... I'd start with "scared running man"....I'd also save time for tacopenis....

I'm there... ::MonkeyFootball::
Bring Ned.... ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:47:38 AM
Edward brought up a good point earlier....Amy and marcos wrt to Natalee....and then urine confessing that he sold Natalee....
Could we just be off track? focusing on Natalee's demise...
Personalty, knowing Dave was a Navy Seal....I'd sign up immediately to help him take action against any of the perps to 'persuade' them to talk.... I'd start with "scared running man"....I'd also save time for tacopenis....

I'm there... ::MonkeyFootball::
Bring Ned.... ::MonkeyTongue::

Poor Ned.Only if he knew what the Monkey's were talking about.. ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:48:20 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::

That was a little slow TM!Whatta doin?Talkin papiemento to your computer monitor? ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 12:50:55 AM
IMO -- if Natalee was actually taken into slavery -- our CIA would have known it and covertly done something about it years ago. If Dave thought this was true -- he would have had about 200 ex-Navy SEALS doing a "voluntary mission". The SEALS are VERY tight group.
Sadly, I think that possibilty is EXTREMELY unlikely. Aruba would have returned her themselves to save 4+ years of hell on the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tibrogargan on August 27, 2009, 12:53:17 AM




My DIL spends NO time reading the forum.  My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day and ... from there she reads, compiles according to segments of the  topic and ... forms her own opinion.

texasmom ... I am entitled to my own opinion for which I always provide backup.  If you disagree ... disagree respectfully please. 

Janet



Apologies for coming in late here.  But I cannot logically equate the above statement of a person being emailed the posts of one contributor only and then being able to form an independent opinion.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 12:56:50 AM
Good Night...night crew....see you tomorrow..... :2waver:

Good night all monkeys.

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::

That was a little slow TM!Whatta doin?Talkin papiemento to your computer monitor? ::MonkeyJnBox::

::MonkeyHaHa::

I had to go make up the bed.  Forgot I stripped it to do laundry this afternoon!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 12:59:57 AM
IMO -- if Natalee was actually taken into slavery -- our CIA would have known it and covertly done something about it years ago. If Dave thought this was true -- he would have had about 200 ex-Navy SEALS doing a "voluntary mission". The SEALS are VERY tight group.
Sadly, I think that possibilty is EXTREMELY unlikely. Aruba would have returned her themselves to save 4+ years of hell on the island.
Totally agree with all but(t) the bolded....
I don't know if what Edward said is true about an Amy sighting.....
My point was we don't know the truth, so an obscure or extremely unlikely scenario can't be discounted...Doesn't have to be given a lot of attention either...
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:03:30 AM

Thanks Tibro, I'm glad I'm not the only one.   ::MonkeyCool::





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 01:04:38 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 01:04:54 AM
I'd sure like to see robots stop by again.....to share his opinion/thoughts of all that has transpired since he went underground....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 01:08:02 AM
IMO -- if Natalee was actually taken into slavery -- our CIA would have known it and covertly done something about it years ago. If Dave thought this was true -- he would have had about 200 ex-Navy SEALS doing a "voluntary mission". The SEALS are VERY tight group.
Sadly, I think that possibilty is EXTREMELY unlikely. Aruba would have returned her themselves to save 4+ years of hell on the island.


This is the first I have heard of Dave being a Navy Seal.


::MonkeyConfused::

I had asked a long time ago and was told he did not have any military experience.  Was thinking something like this might be done. 

Kermie,

How do we know Dave was a Navy Seal?  I don't doubt that he was but was just told differently long ago before the B'ham meeting, etc.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 01:10:59 AM
I remember in the first six weeks of Natalee's disappearance....Dave was on Birmingham television
and said that he had spent the last two weeks going through brothels in Venezuela looking for
his daughter.  It was so sad.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 01:14:46 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 01:21:07 AM
I remember in the first six weeks of Natalee's disappearance....Dave was on Birmingham television
and said that he had spent the last two weeks going through brothels in Venezuela looking for
his daughter.  It was so sad.


I remember that, too, Magnolia.  And TJ Ward and others scoured the islands all over the region.  Later when there was a big reward, fliers in Spanish were distributed I think it was by Diario all over South America.  Because of Amy Bradley, I think every tip in that regard was checked and re-checked.  Nothing.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 01:29:50 AM
Good Night Good monkeys.....
billb, Puzzler, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle, rjdeer, Seamonkey, Anna, wreck, mytime, texasmom and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 01:32:06 AM
Good Night Good monkeys.....
billb, Puzzler, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle, rjdeer, Seamonkey, Anna, wreck, mytime, texasmom and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.

GoodNight & God Bless BillB! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Seamonkey on August 27, 2009, 01:33:22 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

 I know this will be very unpopular..but..after all these years i hope people realize there won't be the Justice for natalee everyone thought there should have been back then...not the way people want it anyways..the only justice for natalee is to allow her family to live and to move on with thier loving memories of her and let her rest in peace.

In my eyes, Natalee's Justice comes from Mom's like me and Dad's who voice out at planning committees and teachers when class trips and stuff get brought up...and voicing Aruba shouldnt even be a choice..Her justice comes from the millons boycotting, Her justice comes from the many lives saved of other girls just  like her not going to aruba and being made aware of what can happen and what DID happen to ONE teen girl in america..Yes, i think her justice has been seen...maybe not how a lot would have wanted it to be..But a justice that ONE person indeed can MAKE a HUGE impact on millions and it will be felt for generations to come.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:39:33 AM
Good Night Good monkeys.....
billb, Puzzler, Keepthefaith, Magnolia, 2NJSons_Mom, cajun miracle, rjdeer, Seamonkey, Anna, wreck, mytime, texasmom and 11 Guests are viewing this topic.

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 01:44:23 AM
If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:45:35 AM
I'm too tired to type this out and translate it tonight, but the underlined name...Poentje Castro.  He's the one that supposedly had the "secret" recordings of Patrick after a show that Patrick appeared on.  Twisted his words to fit his agenda imo.  I'll put it this way...Caps was all over it and eating it up.  What does that tell me?  The plot thickens.  The mention of him in the article may just be about prior experience, but if it's related to the current charges....set up....I'd bet on it.

8/26/2009 Bondia Page 10

http://bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:47:10 AM
If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!


  ::MonkeyDance::

Good night Anna!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 01:52:47 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

I know this will be very unpopular..but..after all these years i hope people realize there won't be the Justice for natalee everyone thought there should have been back then...not the way people want it anyways..the only justice for natalee is to allow her family to live and to move on with thier loving memories of her and let her rest in peace.

In my eyes, Natalee's Justice comes from Mom's like me and Dad's who voice out at planning committees and teachers when class trips and stuff get brought up...and voicing Aruba shouldnt even be a choice..Her justice comes from the millons boycotting, Her justice comes from the many lives saved of other girls just  like her not going to aruba and being made aware of what can happen and what DID happen to ONE teen girl in america..Yes, i think her justice has been seen...maybe not how a lot would have wanted it to be..But a justice that ONE person indeed can MAKE a HUGE impact on millions and it will be felt for generations to come.

Unpopular or not Seamonkey it is about having a voice!Something Natalee doesn't have.When i first started reading,way before i registered or posted.I was very naive for quite sometime,in regards to the amount of effort the POWERS THAT BE have put forth to silence those voices who are attempting to speak for Natalee!It amazes me the arrogance that these P.O.S have.One would think they'd STFU and stay silent but no,they'd rather continue the disinformation campaign of EVIL that IS ARUBA...There will be some measure of Justice due to their own arrogance!The dumbazzez can't help themselves..Don't know if that made any sense? ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 01:53:25 AM
If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!




GoodNight & God Bless Anna! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 01:55:33 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

 I know this will be very unpopular..but..after all these years i hope people realize there won't be the Justice for natalee everyone thought there should have been back then...not the way people want it anyways..the only justice for natalee is to allow her family to live and to move on with thier loving memories of her and let her rest in peace.

In my eyes, Natalee's Justice comes from Mom's like me and Dad's who voice out at planning committees and teachers when class trips and stuff get brought up...and voicing Aruba shouldnt even be a choice..Her justice comes from the millons boycotting, Her justice comes from the many lives saved of other girls just  like her not going to aruba and being made aware of what can happen and what DID happen to ONE teen girl in america..Yes, i think her justice has been seen...maybe not how a lot would have wanted it to be..But a justice that ONE person indeed can MAKE a HUGE impact on millions and it will be felt for generations to come.

In many  ways I agree with you Seamonkey. 
And we must remember there is no manual for parents of children who have been murdered.
Each reacts in his or her own way and fights their demons privately.  The heart break must be overwhelming.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:56:59 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

 I know this will be very unpopular..but..after all these years i hope people realize there won't be the Justice for natalee everyone thought there should have been back then...not the way people want it anyways..the only justice for natalee is to allow her family to live and to move on with thier loving memories of her and let her rest in peace.

In my eyes, Natalee's Justice comes from Mom's like me and Dad's who voice out at planning committees and teachers when class trips and stuff get brought up...and voicing Aruba shouldnt even be a choice..Her justice comes from the millons boycotting, Her justice comes from the many lives saved of other girls just  like her not going to aruba and being made aware of what can happen and what DID happen to ONE teen girl in america..Yes, i think her justice has been seen...maybe not how a lot would have wanted it to be..But a justice that ONE person indeed can MAKE a HUGE impact on millions and it will be felt for generations to come.

You're right Seamonkey, Natalee will receive Justice in all the ways you mention; but I'm still hoping and praying and never giving up on MORE.  She deserves it, and her family does too.

JMO


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 01:58:33 AM


I'm calling it a night, take care...see ya tomorrow!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 01:59:24 AM


I'm calling it a night, take care...see ya tomorrow!   ::MonkeyCool::

GoodNight & God Bless TM! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 02:01:27 AM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 02:02:37 AM
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Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:12:21 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

I know this will be very unpopular..but..after all these years i hope people realize there won't be the Justice for natalee everyone thought there should have been back then...not the way people want it anyways..the only justice for natalee is to allow her family to live and to move on with thier loving memories of her and let her rest in peace.

In my eyes, Natalee's Justice comes from Mom's like me and Dad's who voice out at planning committees and teachers when class trips and stuff get brought up...and voicing Aruba shouldnt even be a choice..Her justice comes from the millons boycotting, Her justice comes from the many lives saved of other girls just  like her not going to aruba and being made aware of what can happen and what DID happen to ONE teen girl in america..Yes, i think her justice has been seen...maybe not how a lot would have wanted it to be..But a justice that ONE person indeed can MAKE a HUGE impact on millions and it will be felt for generations to come.
seamonkey...
I'm not ready to marginalize the efforts of Beth, Dave, and the Monkeys to secure Justice for Natalee...I want the perps nailed....
From your first post...i appreciate that you are ArtColly's daughter...

 Sincerely and Forever Thankful for YOu all,
 SeaMonkey ( ArtColley's Daughter)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2009, 02:17:07 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

Thank you billb for coming to my defense.

You are right on.  My DIL and I do discuss my posts but when all is said and done whe is a great organizer which I am not.  She is my backbone .  Consider DIL and my youngest son have "a life" ... she has just so much time.  My part is to email her my posts and thoughts and ... she takes it from there.  I am so thankful.

Janet



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 27, 2009, 02:22:18 AM
I brought the oil for Robots! Nothing like new oil.





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:23:23 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:24:32 AM
Hello  Kermit ! 

great job as always Kermit...  ::MonkeyCool::

I brought the oil for Robots! Nothing like new oil.



 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 02:26:22 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!




And we could play the song Blue Bayou,over and over and over and over!Good Evening Robots! ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:30:40 AM
yea, they kind of play the song over and over


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:31:51 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:34:31 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....
Tell me something I'd like to hear...Is it in the planning stages? How far along? Can we bank on it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 02:38:35 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....
Tell me something I'd like to hear...Is it in the planning stages? How far along? Can we bank on it?


I can see it now!Robots,BillB,Wreck,Rob as well as Kermit fighting over the ring finger!!Who's got the cigerette lighter?As i remember,there is a scene involving Bombs and Butts BillB.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I hope that wasn't by plan Robots? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:40:12 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....
Tell me something I'd like to hear...Is it in the planning stages? How far along? Can we bank on it?

I know what your thinking...too many questions....in Man on Fire, The daughter comes home alive.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:42:46 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....
Tell me something I'd like to hear...Is it in the planning stages? How far along? Can we bank on it?


I can see it now!Robots,BillB,Wreck,Rob as well as Kermit fighting over the ring finger!!Who's got the cigerette lighter?As i remember,there is a scene involving Bombs and Butts BillB.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I hope that wasn't by plan Robots? ::MonkeyDevil::
I don't do butts...too explosive if your on the wrong side of the folks searching for truth....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 02:44:43 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



robots...
the Man on Fire scenario would suit me just fine!
I just hope I'm  privy to it happening....::MonkeyCool::
I'd sign up for a piece of it anytime.....
Tell me something I'd like to hear...Is it in the planning stages? How far along? Can we bank on it?


I can see it now!Robots,BillB,Wreck,Rob as well as Kermit fighting over the ring finger!!Who's got the cigerette lighter?As i remember,there is a scene involving Bombs and Butts BillB.. ::MonkeyLaugh:: I hope that wasn't by plan Robots? ::MonkeyDevil::
I don't do butts...too explosive if your on the wrong side of the folks searching for truth....

::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 27, 2009, 02:45:05 AM
Hello  Kermit ! 

great job as always Kermit...  ::MonkeyCool::

I brought the oil for Robots! Nothing like new oil.



 ::MonkeyCool::

good to see you back here where you belong good buddy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:50:19 AM
i dont have anything like this in the planning  ::MonkeyGavel::

but, i think it is the only way that the case will be solved. 

i do think some day, something like this will happen and i think it will be done when it is least expected...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:51:05 AM
hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



Got after rereading...

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee

Nailing paulass would bring the house of cards down...will the singing bring out the persistence involvement along with the on island american traitors and the aurba OM (KJ and Mos) and LE?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:51:16 AM
ty Kermit  ::MonkeyWink::

Hello  Kermit ! 

great job as always Kermit...  ::MonkeyCool::

I brought the oil for Robots! Nothing like new oil.



 ::MonkeyCool::

good to see you back here where you belong good buddy


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 02:52:02 AM
Robots!!! Great to see you!
I don't know if you have followed, but I think you might want to go on a canoe trip with KTF, billb, and myself! (We have a certain "guest" we are going to bring along -- think "Ned Beatty")

 :pig:     :smt063


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 02:55:17 AM
Thank you robots and kermit...and many other Monkeys...
the perps will be caught.....in such a big way when it all comes down.....

Tick Tock...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:57:10 AM
hi billb,  nice to see ya

yea, i think it would,,, one it crumbles... LOOK OUT



hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



Got after rereading...

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee

Nailing paulass would bring the house of cards down...will the singing bring out the persistence involvement along with the on island american traitors and the aurba OM (KJ and Mos) and LE?



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: robots on August 27, 2009, 02:58:53 AM
hey wreck...

LOL   yep i would go !


Robots!!! Great to see you!
I don't know if you have followed, but I think you might want to go on a canoe trip with KTF, billb, and myself! (We have a certain "guest" we are going to bring along -- think "Ned Beatty")

 :pig:     :smt063


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 03:05:20 AM
I believe there are many roads(rivers) to Justice!Justice will be served! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 03:10:10 AM
Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 03:12:51 AM
Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..

Million Dollar question BillB.You'd think with some marketing/advertising,that a show regarding what truly transpired out there,from beginning to end,would be worth some good money but,what do i know! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 03:13:05 AM
hi billb,  nice to see ya

yea, i think it would,,, one it crumbles... LOOK OUT



hello Anna Banana  ::MonkeyJnBox::


when joran was being asked questions from all of the phonies "interrogating him" he told batches and batches of lies.... one after another. he would be confonted with something
that didnt make sense so he would just tell another lie, and then another and then another
BUT   the one time when he was caught off guard was when he was being taped inside the vehicle with the hidden cameras.. he can say all he wants but AT THAT TIME he never imagined for one minute that he was being recorded..... he was high as a kite and trying to
be "gangster boy"   i have watched the tapes so many times it is skeeeeery

he was telling the truth at that time about the details of what happened

      who was the person that helped him that night ?    well, i think we all know

you want answers....  all i can say is watch the movie   MAN ON FIRE   

that is the only way it will come out.......

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee









If Robots doesn't come back and post with us a bit soon, then I will just have to go FIND him, lol!


Goodnight, all!



Got after rereading...

its ugly but nothing nearly as ugly as what happened to Natalee

Nailing paulass would bring the house of cards down...will the singing bring out the persistence involvement along with the on island american traitors and the aurba OM (KJ and Mos) and LE?

nice to see you too robots..love your avi....
fwiw..your posts hooked me into coming to SM early on and I thank you for that.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 03:18:22 AM
Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..

Million Dollar question BillB.You'd think with some marketing/advertising,that a show regarding what truly transpired out there,from beginning to end,would be worth some good money but,what do i know! ::MonkeyConfused::
Hey..just thinking out loud...maybe we can get a senator in one of our districts to add it to the universal health plan...whats another billion or so....
Sorry, i couldn't resist...promise...no more political comments... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 03:19:59 AM
Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..

Million Dollar question BillB.You'd think with some marketing/advertising,that a show regarding what truly transpired out there,from beginning to end,would be worth some good money but,what do i know! ::MonkeyConfused::
Hey..just thinking out loud...maybe we can get a senator in one of our districts to add it to the universal health plan...whats another billion or so....
Sorry, i couldn't resist...promise...no more political comments... ::MonkeyCool::

I want the plan my local congressman/Senator has! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 03:24:30 AM
Robots...I completely agree..urine confession in the car with Patrick was truth...
Not to put you on the spot, but you mentioned you have kept current and continue investigating...anything you can add that may help focus the discussions? I've noticed that sometimes the group gets frustrated without visual signs showing progress....and that undermines why we are here...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 27, 2009, 03:26:49 AM
Good Night again Good Monkeys...
Justice IS just around the corner for Natalee...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 03:31:27 AM
Good Night again Good Monkeys...
Justice IS just around the corner for Natalee...

GoodNight & GodBless again Billb... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 03:32:56 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

JUSTICE WILL BE HER'S

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Agraria, robots and 5 Guests





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 27, 2009, 04:03:03 AM
Just had to check and see if Robots had posted before I went to sleep. It's nice to see he did even though I missed him.   ::MonkeyDevil2::

Nite MT!! Sleep well and God Bless!

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2009, 07:06:36 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe Anna could be correct.  Very early on, there was chatter that Dave was a Navy Seal.  Then, the chatter changed to one of the father's, on the plane, had been special ops.  Then I believe that it changed to the family hired a special ops person.  If there is proof that Dave has a Seal background, I have not seen it.  If you google, there is a Dave Holloway, with that background, but not Natalee's dad.

http://survivaloperatingsystems.com/wordpress/?page_id=6


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 08:32:32 AM
Aw really?  No takers?  This one is a fun one.

And I don't remember - has Debbie been banned from here?  I expect her to scold me at any moment.  ::MonkeyCool::


Here's a fun one for all old timer BFNers to figure out.

Think of PV's from Aruba when you read this........and think of all the BFN translator's posts....

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24537

HINT - Their translator has a DIRECT connection to Aruba.  ::MonkeyWink::

Very interresting.  Wonder if she is a sister?  Yes, Debbie has been banned just like she banned me from BFN.

Well, he always talked about getting help from his "friend" Anna or Anne (I don't remember which it was).  So yes, I would guess sister, or cousin maybe?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 08:39:10 AM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

uummmm.............hell no. lol

I like snoopy's answer the best.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 08:40:00 AM
Hi Monkeys

I've thought about this all day.  It's been bothering me.  Then it occured to me to look at it as Natalee would.  I believe she would say ............

Trust my daddy............trust my mom...........they are both very good people.  They are very different people and have different ways of approaching things, but they both would move heaven and earth to find me and see that I got justice.  And I would rather my mom and dad move on and celebrate my life rather than ruin their lives over what happened to me or who did what to me or who betrayed them.

Just my humble opinion.

Great post Snoopy, I know that is how I would feel.

OK, just a question as I have not followed this case like many of you but......I am almost afraid to ask this but......

Is there any way people like Reality and MIP6 are just "pretending" to be all about Aruba and they really aren't bad?  Does that make sense?

 ::MonkeyRoll::

hmmmm is there any way someone like Reality or MIP6 could/would come to SM and pretend to be....say.....mytime? Does that make sense?



Do you remember all of my Broken Record posts?  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 27, 2009, 08:47:35 AM
Jen - yes, I think so  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 08:55:35 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

And THIS is the most rational and level headed post on this subject I have seen all week.

Thank you billb.

While it is unreasonable to expect everyone to agree on everything in this whole tragedy, one thing can be agreed on.

We are all here for Natalee Holloway.

It's best for ALL to respect other's opinions and thoughts, and not start trashing one another when we differ in them.

If we all look to our hearts, surely we can all get back to that understanding.

If someone disagrees with you, they are entitled to do that.  If someone agrees with you, they are entitled to do that as well.

The best advice I was given long ago - if someone disagrees with you, don't take it personally.

That simple bit of advice removes a lot of stress, hurt, and frustration from the whole situation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 27, 2009, 08:59:58 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe Anna could be correct.  Very early on, there was chatter that Dave was a Navy Seal.  Then, the chatter changed to one of the father's, on the plane, had been special ops.  Then I believe that it changed to the family hired a special ops person.  If there is proof that Dave has a Seal background, I have not seen it.  If you google, there is a Dave Holloway, with that background, but not Natalee's dad.

http://survivaloperatingsystems.com/wordpress/?page_id=6

Yes, I believe it was mentioned on Larry King in 2005.  Cannot remember if it was confirmed, though I've always thought of Dave as a Navy Seal.   
I think LKing or NGrace had a navy seal as a guest a few times.  Memory foggy on that too.
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 09:01:23 AM
Jen - yes, I think so  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyGavel::

LOL - was that responding to my broken record posts?  If so, then GOOD!  keep your eye on that ball.  It will start to bounce more...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 27, 2009, 09:03:01 AM
Jen - yes, I think so  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyGavel::

LOL - was that responding to my broken record posts?  If so, then GOOD!  keep your eye on that ball.  It will start to bounce more...
Yes it was, and yes I will!   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 09:12:10 AM
Jen - yes, I think so  ::MonkeyWink::

Good morning Monkeys!  ::MonkeyGavel::

LOL - was that responding to my broken record posts?  If so, then GOOD!  keep your eye on that ball.  It will start to bounce more...
Yes it was, and yes I will!   ::MonkeyJnBox::

 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2009, 09:48:43 AM
The same reason that Monkeys from the getgo have focused on any person who has a relationship with those who have an Aruban agenda ... even our prodical Monkeys.

Monkeys have never given anyone who cohorts with the enemy a pass except for Dave Holloway and Tim Miller.


I do consider myself an old monkey.  The reason to know and identify peoples' interests is because those interests can influence their motives and objectivity (or lack there of).  I never considered it a pass or no pass situation.  I considered it background information while interpreting a post.  Dave and Tim have more "interests" than Aruban contacts so there is more to consider regarding their motives and/or objectivity.  I don't understand everything, but they both get more leeway because of their "history". I am sure there are issues I am totally unaware of.


Buckeye

Thank you for acknowledging/recognizing/affirming that Tim and Dave are given more leeway on this forum than the prodigal Monkeys in regards to relationships with the enemy ... relationships  those with an Aruban agenda.

I may not have come to the same conclusion as you but ... I respect your opinion.  It makes sense.

Janet



BUMPED


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2009, 09:52:24 AM
I am off to Vancouver Island on Thursday.  We will be visiting Hubby's sister and BIL who reside in Parksville area for a night and a day and ... then it is off to visit friends who reside in Campbell River.  Hubby is hoping for a day's fishing at the Salmon Capital of the World.  Friends own a boat that my guy could only dream about in his wildest dreams.  On Sunday we will return to Victoria and spend next week at eldest son's home.  DIL begins a new job on Monday and ... for an entire week I will get the priviledge of spending one on one time bonding with my beautiful grandson who turns 3 years old at the beginning of September.  Daddy will either be working or ... fishing with Papa.

<snipped>

Janet
9:50 AM PT

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 27, 2009, 10:02:03 AM
 

Valero Aruba Plant Shut Indefinitely, Workers Fired (Update3)



By Barbara Powell and Jessica Resnick-Ault

Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp. said its Aruba refinery, the third-largest in the Caribbean, will be closed indefinitely and “nearly all” the remaining contract workers fired. The refinery stopped production July 16.

Valero, the largest U.S. refiner, notified workers today that the shutdown will continue because the economic situation has not improved, Bill Day, a company spokesman, said in an e- mail. Valero has sought to sell the plant.

The refinery has more than 1,000 contract workers and is one of the largest employers on the island of 106,000, according to Leo Maduro, policy adviser to the Aruba Chamber of Commerce and Industry. None of the refinery’s 780 Valero employees have been laid off, Day said.

“Most people say a shutdown of the refinery would mean a 13 percent loss of our GDP, and that’s a lot,” Maduro said. Valero workers represent approximately 3.9 percent of the island’s private sector workforce of 45,000.

Valero stopped production at the refinery, its third- largest, after operating it at a loss in the second quarter, saying it would re-evaluate economic conditions in two to three months. Day said today that distillate margins and, more importantly for Aruba, the light-heavy crude oil differential, have not improved since the second quarter.

Narrower Discount

“The changes you would have needed to see to reopen Aruba have not come yet,” Bill Klesse, Valero chief executive officer, said in an interview yesterday. Heavy, sour grades of crude oil that the Aruba refinery can process would need to be more deeply discounted to make the refinery profitable, he said.

The discount of Mexico’s Maya crude, a heavy grade, to West Texas Intermediate, narrowed to $4.11 yesterday from $6.21 June 30 and $10.22 on Aug. 26, 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Valero said on July 28 it would have to consider cutting employees and reducing contract workers if the plant moved to a “cold shutdown” status.

Day said on Aug. 24 that Valero would maintain the plant in a “hot mothball status” with power available to the production units so it could be restarted “fairly quickly.”

The distillates, intermediate refinery feedstocks and blending components it produces are sold in U.S., South American and European markets.

The Aruba refinery can process 275,000 barrels of crude oil a day. The largest refinery in the Caribbean is the Hovensa plant in the Virgin Islands, followed by Isla in the Netherlands Antilles owned by Petroleos de Venezuela SA.

Valero, based in San Antonio, owns 16 refineries from Quebec to Aruba.

To contact the reporters on this story: Barbara Powell in Dallas at Bpowell4@bloomberg.netJessica Resnick-Ault in Houston at jresnickault@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: August 26, 2009 15:29 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601207&sid=aeQy6bH2OXs4#

 


 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 27, 2009, 10:04:39 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 10:24:20 AM
Ohhh i just noticed this...or it just sunk in lol

from janet's post.." My assignment is to email her each one of MY posts EACH day"

who is giving this "assignment" and why YOUR posts EACH day? Surely that wasn't the right word you meant ? Assigment? or was it? AND IS "your assigment" ONLY to send your posts or is it to send EVERYONE's posts that posts ?? again...wow
Please slow down Seamonkey.....
Janet and her DIL are compiling many things to sort out issues to promote Justice for Natalee...My take...Janet uses her DIL as a sounding board in this case.......
Janet has strong opinions that may offend some...but her quest for justice for Natalee is spot on and appreciated.....

And THIS is the most rational and level headed post on this subject I have seen all week.

Thank you billb.

While it is unreasonable to expect everyone to agree on everything in this whole tragedy, one thing can be agreed on.

We are all here for Natalee Holloway.

It's best for ALL to respect other's opinions and thoughts, and not start trashing one another when we differ in them.

If we all look to our hearts, surely we can all get back to that understanding.

If someone disagrees with you, they are entitled to do that.  If someone agrees with you, they are entitled to do that as well.

The best advice I was given long ago - if someone disagrees with you, don't take it personally.

That simple bit of advice removes a lot of stress, hurt, and frustration from the whole situation.

I am going to say this and then shut up about it. NO ONE  here doubts for one second the devotion, unwavering vigilance, and meticulous chronicling Janet has done in the case. Yes, we all agree that Mark Purcell has said outrageous, vile, and disgusting posts about Natalee, Beth, and the family. We all agree that we are dumb-struck that Dave and Robin have now cohorted with this vile disgusting miscreant. We all agree that Dave Holloway and Tim Miller and received exceedingly more "leeway" than other characters in this case. WHY?? Because they DESERVE far greater leeway in this case.
I could not agree more that we all need to be respectful of differing opinions -- that does not mean we should not voice our opinions when we DO disagree with "interpretations". That is what the forum is FOR.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 10:25:53 AM
I agree with everything you said Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 11:26:49 AM
Aw really?  No takers?  This one is a fun one.

And I don't remember - has Debbie been banned from here?  I expect her to scold me at any moment.  ::MonkeyCool::


Here's a fun one for all old timer BFNers to figure out.

Think of PV's from Aruba when you read this........and think of all the BFN translator's posts....

http://www.arubachamber.com/registry/registry_result.afp?KeyValue=24537

HINT - Their translator has a DIRECT connection to Aruba.  ::MonkeyWink::

Very interresting.  Wonder if she is a sister?  Yes, Debbie has been banned just like she banned me from BFN.

Well, he always talked about getting help from his "friend" Anna or Anne (I don't remember which it was).  So yes, I would guess sister, or cousin maybe?


And not to be confused with any poster by that name.  I have feared being banned for arguing with this individual.


 ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 11:36:37 AM
I could be wrong, but I believe Anna could be correct.  Very early on, there was chatter that Dave was a Navy Seal.  Then, the chatter changed to one of the father's, on the plane, had been special ops.  Then I believe that it changed to the family hired a special ops person.  If there is proof that Dave has a Seal background, I have not seen it.  If you google, there is a Dave Holloway, with that background, but not Natalee's dad.

http://survivaloperatingsystems.com/wordpress/?page_id=6


I was told by someone pretty close that Dave Holloway did not have any military background.  Jug Twitty does possibly in connection with his education and ROTC, dunno.

But remember poster Best Buddy I think it was who went to Aruba with her husband.  Her husband was a Medal of Honor recipient and the one with the tattoo that Anita van der Sloot complained about.  I think he was interviewed in the past.  Also our poster VietVet who was with the family immediately so there were those with military background, just not Dave Holloway.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Mere on August 27, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
I agree with everything you said Wreck!

Ditto...!

Good Morning Daytime Monkeys....... :2waver:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 11:44:57 AM
See!  I told you I could find Robots!

::MonkeyTongue::


Agree, Wreck.  Respect is a two-way street.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 11:51:14 AM
 

Valero Aruba Plant Shut Indefinitely, Workers Fired (Update3)



By Barbara Powell and Jessica Resnick-Ault

Aug. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Valero Energy Corp. said its Aruba refinery, the third-largest in the Caribbean, will be closed indefinitely and “nearly all” the remaining contract workers fired. The refinery stopped production July 16.

Valero, the largest U.S. refiner, notified workers today that the shutdown will continue because the economic situation has not improved, Bill Day, a company spokesman, said in an e- mail. Valero has sought to sell the plant.

The refinery has more than 1,000 contract workers and is one of the largest employers on the island of 106,000, according to Leo Maduro, policy adviser to the Aruba Chamber of Commerce and Industry. None of the refinery’s 780 Valero employees have been laid off, Day said.

“Most people say a shutdown of the refinery would mean a 13 percent loss of our GDP, and that’s a lot,” Maduro said. Valero workers represent approximately 3.9 percent of the island’s private sector workforce of 45,000.

Valero stopped production at the refinery, its third- largest, after operating it at a loss in the second quarter, saying it would re-evaluate economic conditions in two to three months. Day said today that distillate margins and, more importantly for Aruba, the light-heavy crude oil differential, have not improved since the second quarter.

Narrower Discount

“The changes you would have needed to see to reopen Aruba have not come yet,” Bill Klesse, Valero chief executive officer, said in an interview yesterday. Heavy, sour grades of crude oil that the Aruba refinery can process would need to be more deeply discounted to make the refinery profitable, he said.

The discount of Mexico’s Maya crude, a heavy grade, to West Texas Intermediate, narrowed to $4.11 yesterday from $6.21 June 30 and $10.22 on Aug. 26, 2008, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

Valero said on July 28 it would have to consider cutting employees and reducing contract workers if the plant moved to a “cold shutdown” status.

Day said on Aug. 24 that Valero would maintain the plant in a “hot mothball status” with power available to the production units so it could be restarted “fairly quickly.”

The distillates, intermediate refinery feedstocks and blending components it produces are sold in U.S., South American and European markets.

The Aruba refinery can process 275,000 barrels of crude oil a day. The largest refinery in the Caribbean is the Hovensa plant in the Virgin Islands, followed by Isla in the Netherlands Antilles owned by Petroleos de Venezuela SA.

Valero, based in San Antonio, owns 16 refineries from Quebec to Aruba.

To contact the reporters on this story: Barbara Powell in Dallas at Bpowell4@bloomberg.netJessica Resnick-Ault in Houston at jresnickault@bloomberg.net

Last Updated: August 26, 2009 15:29 EDT

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601207&sid=aeQy6bH2OXs4#

 


 




I don't know but I am pretty sure that stealing $5 million from this company didn't help matters.  Talk about killing the goose that laid the golden egg!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 27, 2009, 11:52:32 AM
Have a nice day, All Monkeys!

Off to work and lurk as usual. . . . .


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 27, 2009, 12:17:10 PM
I agree with everything you said Wreck!

Ditto...!

Good Morning Daytime Monkeys....... :2waver:

Ditto Me Too!   :thumleft: Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 12:19:20 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11480/8/

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Rob - if you are lurking, check out the van  ::MonkeyDevil::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 02:27:47 PM
This is from Glenda at RU:

He was arrested because of the behaviour and threats made at the Radisson. Drugs were also discovered in the room and I believe in his truck. The judge just extended his detention for 8 more days. The complaint that Poentje filed last year will be included in the next hearing, where the judge will most likely extend the detention for an additional 8 days.

Of course I wouldn't know in advance what a judge is going to do. lol


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 27, 2009, 04:06:10 PM
O/T...WOW....All Prayers Are Answered in Time!  ::MonkeyAngel::



Kidnap Victim Turns Up After 18 Years
California Girl Was Reported Missing at Age 11
AP
posted: 1 HOUR 7 MINUTES AGO



 -- Sheriff's officials said Thursday they believe a woman who walked into a police station had been kidnapped as an 11-year-old in 1991 outside her South Lake Tahoe home. Two people were arrested on suspicion of kidnapping.
The woman came into a San Francisco Bay area police station and said she was Jaycee Lee Dugard, a blond, ponytailed girl when she was abducted as she headed to a school bus stop 18 years ago, said sheriff's Lt. Les Lovell of the El Dorado Sheriff's Department.

   Jaycee Dugard: The 11-year-old was kidnapped while walking to a bus stop near her South Lake Tahoe, Calif., home in 1991. On Wednesday, she walked into a police station in Concord, Calif., just outside San Francisco. Two people are in custody, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
Jaycee Dugard: The 11-year-old was kidnapped while walking to a bus stop near her South Lake Tahoe, Calif., home in 1991. On Wednesday, she walked into a police station in Concord, Calif., just outside San Francisco. Two people are in custody, the San Francisco Chronicle reported. The above photograph shows Dugard before she was kidnapped.
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children"We're 99 percent sure it's her," Lovell said. He said DNA tests were being conducted. The woman was in good health. It was not immediately clear when she had surfaced at the station.
Lovell said Concord police did an investigation after the woman surfaced, and he received a call Wednesday from investigators who had tentatively identified her as Dugard.
Her family has been contacted and they are in the process of arranging a meeting, said Lovell, who was a detective assigned to help investigate the kidnapping in 1991. "We are very confident at this point in time that it is her."
Jimmie Lee, a spokesman for the Contra Costa County Sheriff's Department, said FBI and El Dorado sheriff's deputies arrested two suspects Wednesday night. They were being held in the Contra Costa County Jail in Martinez.
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Lee said the two were being held for investigation of several charges.
The San Francisco Chronicle identified the pair arrested as Phillip Craig Garrido, 58, and his wife, Nancy Garrido, 55, both of Antioch, Calif. They are being held on $1 million bail each.
Law enforcement sources said authorities were also searching a home in Antioch.
Dugard's stepfather, Carl Probyn, said the news was like winning the lottery.
"To have this happen where we get her back alive, and where she remembers things from the past, and to have people in custody is a triple win," he told The Sacramento Bee.
Witnesses reported that a vehicle with two people drove up to Dugard and abducted her while her stepfather was watching on June 10, 1991, the Sheriff's Department said in a news release Thursday.
In media reports at the time, the girl's stepfather said he heard Jaycee scream then jumped on a bicycle and frantically pedaled after the car in a failed effort to follow it up a hill. He then turned around and screamed at neighbors to call 911.
The case attracted national attention and was featured on TV's "America's Most Wanted," which broadcast a composite drawing of a suspect seen in the car.
Probyn said his wife, Terry, had spoken with Dugard by phone on Wednesday. He said the mother and their 19-year-old daughter were flying from their Southern California home to meet with Dugard in Northern California.
Investigators first visited with his wife about three weeks ago, he said.
Probyn said he endured years of suspicion from FBI agents who believed he may have been involved in the abduction. He eventually lost hope that he would ever see his stepdaughter alive.
"Then you pray that you get her body back so there is an ending," Probyn said.
Lovell said investigators have been working the case consistently since she was abducted and new leads had surfaced over time.
"You bet it's a surprise. This is not the normal resolution to a kidnapping," he said.


Associated Press Writer Paul Elias in San Francisco contributed to this report.
Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
2009-08-27 13:49:53

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 04:36:12 PM
FYI - I don't remember Dave Holloway being a Navy Seal.  Do we have a link to anything stating that?  I can't find it in his book.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 04:59:36 PM
It appears that Reality (or someone with the nickname fishclint) has registered at SM.  Too bad I'm in charge of approving new members.  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 05:04:59 PM
FYI - I don't remember Dave Holloway being a Navy Seal.  Do we have a link to anything stating that?  I can't find it in his book.
I think we confusing this like Anna mentioned earlier. I had stated a few days ago that I didn't think Dave had the "demeanor" of a SEAL. If he WAS a SEAL, I think it would have been played up more and other Ex-SEALs would have been more supportive.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
It appears that Reality (or someone with the nickname fishclint) has registered at SM.  Too bad I'm in charge of approving new members.  ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 27, 2009, 05:07:38 PM
Hotping - No kidding Wow!!!  ::MonkeyEek::

What a wonderful thing after so, so long!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 05:08:48 PM
I have promised for 4 years, but someday I will start proof-reading and spell-checking my posts!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 05:34:15 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61605.php

Google translation:

Oduber: "Timing closure Valero suspicious'

August 27, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber find it strange that Valero has decided to rather than expect the refinery to more non-active state. "They promised us that they had until the end of September, so after the election, would take a final decision."

The Prime Minister finds it "deeply regrettable" that Valero is not, as agreed, had to wait until after the election. "This reminds me of 1985 when Exxon announced before the election that they were closing the refinery and sent their delay coker to Rotterdam under a gentleman's agreement with the Dutch government." There are some repairs that still need to do The prime minister. "The turnaround I do not see happen."
The refinery is also not completely closed, said Oduber. "It continues to be idle. Because they must still remain WEB with fuel to continue importing gasoline and diesel continue to produce. "

The Prime Minister, the government has the obligation to Aruban 500 contract workers, which by September 11th be sent home to protect. "I've spoken with a number of them. I told them I was not going to promise what I can not fulfill, but their situation that we keep a close eye. I have also spoken with union IOWUA. They know what it plays and what the global situation. "The prime minister does not want it played politics with the current situation of the refinery. "MEP is not the owner of the refinery. All we can do is make sure that the conditions for a refinery to have in place. "

Petro China as it is not the government will find a different company. "But the new operator must have its own oil." According Oduber operators not walk around in the wild. "Otherwise we already had a new buyer for the refinery. If the government must accommodate to the extent that we do get to the good of the Aruban economy and thus maintain the refinery. I think it is important that Aruba has a refinery, "said Prime Minister Oduber, which says it is looking forward to next Friday, when the ruling in the arbitration case between the government and Valero is given. "I am convinced that this will be our advantage. Like last week against Astec. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 05:37:31 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61604.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Turbulence at The Aruban Resort

August 27, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Once again, there is anxiety among the staff of timeshare hotel The Aruban Resort. A handful of employees work yesterday laid down for a short period of dissatisfaction with the late payment of their salaries. The hotel management had indicated that there is currently insufficient money again to pay for them.

Clear union, which already brokered, speaks of a difficult situation. According to Chairman Rudy Geerman there seems to be insufficient cash flow, making the payments of salaries each time constrained. During an earlier consultation by the supervisor was verbally promised that every effort will be made to the salaries now paid on time, said Geerman. "But the weather did not happen, we want agreements on paper." The union had also asked the government to address the situation. Tourism Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) has also intervened several times, said Geerman. "But they can not do much, because all it is about a private company."

The rumbles have been part of the hotel. Beginning this year, the Sales & Marketing department was shut down while 80 people were dismissed. A few weeks later that the foreign hotel owners again reversed. The hotel is in serious difficulties, since the recession by selling timeshare apartments fell. Only one quarter of the apartment is sold, the rest is rented to tourists. The hotel also finds in financial difficulties because of U.S. banks which have lent the money - several million florin - is bankrupt. The Aruban Resort was therefore no money from this bank because the trustees already had made seizure, and was so acute in payment difficulties.
The Aruban Resort on Eagle Beach has a total of 362 rooms and apartments, a casino, restaurants, shops and swimming pools. The owner is KL International, which last year took over the hotel and millions of dollars invested into the renovation. If the casino was the largest of the island.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 05:41:59 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61601.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Government guarantees jobs staff Astec

August 27, 2009, 14:22 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Members of stevedoring union portuário Arubano Union (UPA) want a written guarantee from Minister Edison Briesen (MEP) of Tourism and Transport that they not lose their jobs.

They want this the concession agreement with Astec APA for the container port is finite. The minister gave yesterday to representatives of the union an oral commitment. During the press conference last Monday, he also mentioned that "Director of Clean down," all jobs by Astec APA guaranteed. President also sorry to find that their employer now Astec arbitration case against Aruba Ports Authority has lost the political opponents of the government against members of the UPA government is lit. He pointed out that the arbitration award in its insistence that any transfer of personnel by a new operator and the obligations to staff not being acquired, properly addressed. Article 17 of the concession agreement indicated that if the contract from the side of APA is not renewed, APA is required to ensure that new employees of the concessionaire takes over the Astec. And any severance pay for workers who still do not go, to take on.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 27, 2009, 05:46:25 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61596.php

ARUBA

Session with American self-defense Hayashi

August 27, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/27-aruba-mike-hayashi-_27-0.gif)

"Personal Protection Expert" Mike Hayashi comes especially from the United States to a free session to give self-defense.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) is organizing a meeting next Tuesday in the sign of self-defense. Mike Hayashi, a Personal Protection Expert from the United States, will lead the session.

Hayashi with tips and strategies for a 'Neighborhood Watch' to start or improve to provide a safer neighborhood for families to create. He also various opinions on how people can avoid being victims of crime at home, at school or work. The American will also outline techniques to better protect yourself, show.

Hayashi has extensive experience in providing such seminars, both to businesses and to individuals. He has already put in about 450 cities visited. The American is in possession of the seventh than he was self-defense and martial arts expert.

AHATA organized this lecture to strengthening civil society and an active and positive role. The tourism organization therefore encourages everyone to participate and benefit from the meeting, which is free. "Helping to maintain a safe society for everyone would be a priority," said AHATA. The meeting is the Marriott hotel in six to eight hours at night.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 27, 2009, 06:20:41 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61596.php

ARUBA

Session with American self-defense Hayashi

August 27, 2009, 14:16 (GMT -04:00)

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/27-aruba-mike-hayashi-_27-0.gif)

"Personal Protection Expert" Mike Hayashi comes especially from the United States to a free session to give self-defense.

ORANGE CITY - Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association (AHATA) is organizing a meeting next Tuesday in the sign of self-defense. Mike Hayashi, a Personal Protection Expert from the United States, will lead the session.

Hayashi with tips and strategies for a 'Neighborhood Watch' to start or improve to provide a safer neighborhood for families to create. He also various opinions on how people can avoid being victims of crime at home, at school or work. The American will also outline techniques to better protect yourself, show.

Hayashi has extensive experience in providing such seminars, both to businesses and to individuals. He has already put in about 450 cities visited. The American is in possession of the seventh than he was self-defense and martial arts expert.

AHATA organized this lecture to strengthening civil society and an active and positive role. The tourism organization therefore encourages everyone to participate and benefit from the meeting, which is free. "Helping to maintain a safe society for everyone would be a priority," said AHATA. The meeting is the Marriott hotel in six to eight hours at night.


Now that's Funny! ::MonkeyLaugh:: Bring in a  personal protection expert to protect yourself from your own family & friends...The island is only so big & from the many generations of families that live on the island it isn't to hard to figure out who the EVIL CRIMINALS ARE!For pete's sake.The Criminals hired the guy..Just sayin ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 27, 2009, 07:25:59 PM
Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 07:33:33 PM
Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.
That wasn't me -- but I DO agree!!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 27, 2009, 07:37:52 PM
Wreck,  you said earlier today we need to get the cage and Persistence back in the news and maybe Greta could take it on.  I will go to her blog and make a request from her IF Klaas or Red thinks it would be o.k. to.   I totally agree with you it needs to be brought out into the light.
That wasn't me -- but I DO agree!!  ::MonkeyCool::

Sorry, thought it was you.  Anyway, I think it also needs and deserves a little investigation from someone who can bring it out in the open.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 27, 2009, 07:39:48 PM
Question:
How do we get media attention to the persistence search wrt the cage contents? Is that a dead end because the arubans  collected the contents? I personally think if greta would take up the cause aruba  govt/om would crack and possibly unravel..

It was BillB.  I knew I had read it earlier today.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 27, 2009, 07:51:38 PM
I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.


I believe Joran spoke the truth to Patrick......yet....I do keep in mind, John Q. Kelly's words...after the Greta "I sold her" story.  Either he believes the timeline fits or wants to make a case for trafficking because then the situation would rise to international scrutiny.... :smt102


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2009, 08:11:45 PM
November 26, 2008

....

JOHN Q. KELLY, ATTORNEY FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S PARENTS: You know, the most logical explanation of how Natalee could disappear, absolutely vanish into air within a half hour of being dropped off at the beach with Joran is consistent with what he said. And all the other evidence points towards it, too, that she was led down to the fisherman's hut, she was led to the shore, you know, alive, well, and led onto a small sports utility vehicle, and you know, very willingly got on board and before she knew what was happening and Joran didn't get on board, you know, the boat took off and she was subdued eventually.

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, there is absolutely no forensic evidence of a homicide, and I mean, which is unusual...

KELLY: Right.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Not necessarily dispositive of what happened. But that's -- I mean, for someone who's inexperienced to commit a murder and not leave a hair, a blood, or anything anyplace is extremely significant. Now, let me ask you this.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Has the prosecutor followed up on everything? Because it's the prosecutor's job to prove or disprove. And I've got a real beef with this prosecutor. He won't look at this tape. But has he satisfied you that he's chased down every lead?

KELLY: Well, not at all, Greta. I mean, there are really simple things. I mean, there was the big issue about where are Joran's size 14 Swiss K shoes? I mean, if he led her down to the beach and she and Natalee -- he and Natalee were carrying their shoes, he would have helped her on, she'd put her sandals on, and if he just threw on his shoes but instead of getting on just pushed the boat off, you know, his shoes would be gone with Natalee and her sandals.

I mean, there have been all kinds of things. There are phone logs there. I've asked for the surveillance tapes from the casinos. I haven't gotten them. I've asked him to review them. He hasn't gotten back to me on those. I've asked for phone records. I haven't gotten those. I've asked for backup on witness interviews. I haven't gotten those.

And Greta, it's just -- it's almost too simple, when you step back and look at it, what probably happened that night. It's really scary.

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, now, I would -- if I were the prosecutor, I'd want to look at wire transfers, both the ones -- we have a number of a wire transfer that he should investigate from January, but even to see whether or not -- Joran says there was a payoff of some police -- whether or not there was cash drawn down from Paulus van der Sloot's account. I'd get a subpoena on that. I'd get a subpoena on all his relatives to see if any money was (INAUDIBLE)

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: Anything to sort of piece together to see whether or not this is true or not, the surveillance video -- what surveillance video do you want him to look at?

KELLY: Well, for starters, if you recall -- and it was sort of pushed aside by the law enforcement also, when Joran is sitting in the Excelsior casino with Natalee and her friends, there's a middle-aged Caucasian gentlemen sitting there who actually speaks to Natalee and the other girls. And I just want to know -- you know, he absolutely fits the description of the man Joran describes. He actually looks a lot like Paulus, too.

And I just want to see whether he had talked to that man before the girls arrived, whether he talked to that man after the girls left. And quite remarkably, Hans Mos told me they've never even identified who that man is to this day.

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Hans Mos want to help investigate Deepak and Satish and Paulus or not?

KELLY: No. In fact, the first call I made to him, he said -- he asked if this had anything to do with the Dr. Phil litigation, and if it did, he would not help me because he totally supports Satish and Deepak.

And the other thing is -- let me just add, Greta, you know, Aruba is a tourist island. Their commerce -- they can survive if the story is -- you know, is one aberrant act by a young man who got caught up and panicked on an accidental death of a young girl there. That they can live with. But you know, for several young men conspiring and plotting and putting someone into human trafficking, adults covering it up, law enforcement covering it up, government officials looking away, that's something Aruba can't survive.

And I think that's why when you go down there and you present them with things or ask them questions, they want to disprove everything you say or not listen to it, rather than go after it.

VAN SUSTEREN: Well, that's my rub, is they won't even investigate, you know, any of this that we have.

KELLY: Sure.

VAN SUSTEREN: You know, just investigate it. Prove it or disprove it, one or the other. John, thank you.

KELLY: Sure, Greta
....

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,457715,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 08:17:34 PM
SAN pointed this out to me. They added some more photos to the 24ora Patrick van der Eem arrest article.  Look who's there:

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11480/8/

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/PatrickFrans.jpg)

Frans van Deutekom

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.msg456882#msg456882

By the way, I hear Patrick is being detained for 8 more days.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 08:22:15 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 08:28:36 PM
I have decided after today's news that I will no longer consider Natalee as dead ..
She can be alive.. She will stay alive until I see proof that she is dead.

18 YEARS Later this girl shows up... WTF is that ?
Amy photo on that Adult web site..

Peoples minds obviously go through some dramatic changes once they are held as captive..
Stockholm syndrome ?? OK What ever you want to call it..Natalee could be in Saudi Arabia..
Natalee could be anywhere and held for any amount of time and just like Dr.Donna Hughes told me..
She could be 2 blocks from home and never try to call home..

This story today proves just that. 18 years and never calls home.


In this girls case she was held prisoner in a backyard fortress.  She really wasn't out and about.  She likely didn't have access to the phone.

Personally, I don't believe Natalee is alive.  I believe she died in front of Joran van der Sloot on May 30, 2005.  But I respect whatever you wish to believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Edward - and I'd like to add, that is EXACTLY what Joran would like you to believe.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2009, 08:31:46 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 08:34:59 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I think what he told Patrick was essentially the truth. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 08:35:29 PM
That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...
I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 08:43:16 PM
That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...
I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.

It says a lot about Aruba that they are so out to punish Patrick.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 27, 2009, 08:49:38 PM
I remember when Anita complained that he threatened her over the phone.  Wonder if she's the one he threatened and they're now "investigating"...or that Poenje creep...
Even if he threatened someone...why would you haul away the car?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 27, 2009, 08:52:12 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I think what he told Patrick was essentially the truth. 

The only part of the story I believe that Joran told Patrick was that she died.  I also have said this before that I believe Patrick was working with Joran and Joran knew he was being taped.  This is just my opinion.  Patrick is a POS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 27, 2009, 08:54:29 PM
That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...
I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.

Patrick will be out soon.  They will not keep him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 27, 2009, 09:01:34 PM
Good evening monkeys, ::MonkeySlide::

Edward is right, we have no evidence of Natalee's death....or any other possibility thanks to the scrubbing and cleaning of all evidence by the Aruba Dirty Police and the Aruba mob.

I won't get caught up in the Joran, Deepak and Satish lying liar statements again.  Natalee has never been seen again since leaving C&C's in the company of those three, and that guilt is on them forever.

But I believe Paulus is the key to this mystery.  Behind those three ......is Paulus van der Sloot.

Paulus is the perp, and I hope Peter R. DeVries begins to expose Paulus for the criminal he is.

MOO

Aruba's beaches are empty thanks to Paulus van der Sloot and the three lil' thugs.  And they will stay that way until Natalee comes home.

I have renewed hope that justice will come soon.........now that Robots is back! ::MonkeyGavel::

I hate them all too.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 27, 2009, 09:07:17 PM
I remember when Anita complained that he threatened her over the phone.  Wonder if she's the one he threatened and they're now "investigating"...or that Poenje creep...
Even if he threatened someone...why would you haul away the car?

According to Renho...it was the threat he made against Pontje after the Arubian TV interview last year.
He has been given 8 days and they expect that to increase by another 8 days when they throw
in the threat against Pontje.
The amount of drugs found was reported by the OM office to be insignficant


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 27, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
Edward - and I'd like to add, that is EXACTLY what Joran would like you to believe.

Understood..
But He already admitted to being standing over the top of her while she was having convulsions and that he went off to make a phone call to a friend "never identified" and that friend returned and drug her out to a boat, and that boat went off into the night..
Joran was not sure if she was dead or alive at that point and apparently was not in the boat..

IF You want to believe that is proof of death.. OK, I respect you having that opinion.


Then later he comes up with the story of money and a venezuelan drug lord.. which is prolly all crap because a real drug lord would have killed him for admitting it.
Although Luis Mansur and his partners fit the profile and are probably where Natalee ended up that early morning. People choose to ignore that also.. There is plenty of proof that Luis is the island mobster..Even the judge said as much at his trial.. Drugs and Violence and People are in fear of him and his henchmen.. Proven !


Amy was alive and living in conditions of servitude years after she went missing with various sightings of her..all of them discounted.
ALL Americans have ignored those photos on Margarita island even though Dr.Phil showed them to America as proof of a alive victim of forced sexual servitude..
What does Amy's mom think of those photos ?

The F.B.I. Themselves never found her on Margarita island, they got some half story from the web site creator and supposedly bought it hook line and sinker and on the F.B.I. web site they do not show you those photos instead they show you some lame half ass drawing of Amy seen on another island in the Caribbean.

Had they and EVERYONE looked for a live Amy Bradley they may have found a live Natalee or a answer as to what really happened to Natalee

My opinion in the beginning of all of this was that Natalee ended up in Venezuela in the hands of Hugo Chavez and FARC leaders. The only reason I ever considered Natalee dead was because a friend of mine who is a world famous psychic said she died and was put into the ocean..
She could be wrong..Although she probably is not..
I must hold Natalee alive so I can continue to do research in that direction..

I do not say much in this thread anymore, But you must understand this although I respect all of you and your opinions.. The people that really know what happened to Natalee are few in numbers.. They are not Americans.  They hate Americans.

Thank You


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 27, 2009, 09:14:00 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I think what he told Patrick was essentially the truth. 

The only part of the story I believe that Joran told Patrick was that she died.  I also have said this before that I believe Patrick was working with Joran and Joran knew he was being taped.  This is just my opinion.  Patrick is a POS.

I agree with ya San.  Patrick and Joran both made money off this.  Another instance where they make money off Natalee. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 27, 2009, 09:19:08 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...

I think what he told Patrick was essentially the truth. 

The only part of the story I believe that Joran told Patrick was that she died.  I also have said this before that I believe Patrick was working with Joran and Joran knew he was being taped.  This is just my opinion.  Patrick is a POS.

I agree with ya San.  Patrick and Joran both made money off this.  Another instance where they make money off Natalee. 

Exactly Blue Moon.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 09:20:53 PM
I don't trust Patrick as far as I can throw him, but it is one of those cases where you can't choose your witness or informer. If Patrick was squeaky clean -- Joran would have never confided to him in the first place. You gotta take waht is dealt to you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 27, 2009, 09:39:33 PM
I hate them all............ too.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

There is no unrefutable evidence of Natalee's death. IMO, the closest thing we have of what happened to her after she left C&C's is contained within the taped conversation in the police car with Joran, Satish, and Deepak. Even with that, there is an influx of talk to a possible recording device (thanks to Paulus) and you have to read between the lines, particularly with Joran's statements. There are some glaring statements made within that tape.

"If they find her they'll see that shit" is among them.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

There are many more, as I know you all remember.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 27, 2009, 09:56:18 PM
 ::MonkeyEek::

Hello? I didn't mean to stop the conversation!   :smt090

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 27, 2009, 10:18:56 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: snoopy on August 27, 2009, 10:39:04 PM
That is just too painful for me to comtemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.

Me too.  I just can't wrap my mind around that. 

I believe with all my heart and mind that Natalee is with Jesus.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 11:12:42 PM
The family knows the fate of Natalee  -- the mission left is return her home.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 27, 2009, 11:15:25 PM
The family knows the fate of Natalee  -- the mission left is return her home.

I agree.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 27, 2009, 11:18:53 PM
In my heart, I believe the family knows exactly what happened. Justice will not come from any court of law -- the ONLY mission now is to return her home. I think Dave has accepted this and this is the reason he is "playing ball" with the likes of Mark Purcell. It may infuriate some here -- but his objective is perhaps different than ours. I cannot ever criticize him for this decision (if so).


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 27, 2009, 11:26:36 PM
Good night.  Have a good one.   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 12:45:31 AM
hello all!  i am new here but of course not new to the case.
 i have been lurking off and on for a while now and just  spent the last 2 days reading this entire thread along with its sudsequent links and related google searches.
wow!  you all have done some amazing work here!  i look forward to reading more from everyone.

keep up the great work monkeys!  (did i use it right? hehe)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 12:59:59 AM
hello all!  i am new here but of course not new to the case.
 i have been lurking off and on for a while now and just  spent the last 2 days reading this entire thread along with its sudsequent links and related google searches.
wow!  you all have done some amazing work here!  i look forward to reading more from everyone.

keep up the great work monkeys!  (did i use it right? hehe)

Welcome to Scared Monkeys chickie!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you'll share how you became interested in the case, and what your thoughts are about it.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:09:42 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_53.jpg)


Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 01:11:11 AM
hello all!  i am new here but of course not new to the case.
 i have been lurking off and on for a while now and just  spent the last 2 days reading this entire thread along with its sudsequent links and related google searches.
wow!  you all have done some amazing work here!  i look forward to reading more from everyone.

keep up the great work monkeys!  (did i use it right? hehe)
Welcome Chickie.....nice to see you...


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Post by: Mere on August 28, 2009, 01:20:07 AM
Welcome chickie....!  Please join us with your thoughts.

Night crew....I am riding off and will see you tomorrow.............................. ::MonkeyBike::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:22:32 AM
Welcome chickie....!  Please join us with your thoughts.

Night crew....I am riding off and will see you tomorrow.............................. ::MonkeyBike::

Be careful crossing the street Mere! ::MonkeyLaugh::


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Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 01:23:21 AM
Just amazing after 18 years...
Jaycee Dugard is free.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:23:30 AM
hello all!  i am new here but of course not new to the case.
 i have been lurking off and on for a while now and just  spent the last 2 days reading this entire thread along with its sudsequent links and related google searches.
wow!  you all have done some amazing work here!  i look forward to reading more from everyone.

keep up the great work monkeys!  (did i use it right? hehe)
Welcome Chickie.....nice to see you...

Ditto.. ::MonkeyGavel::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:24:56 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::


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Post by: Mere on August 28, 2009, 01:25:15 AM
Welcome chickie....!  Please join us with your thoughts.

Night crew....I am riding off and will see you tomorrow.............................. ::MonkeyBike::

Be careful crossing the street Mere! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thanks KTF..... 
I think the next one Klaas will have to get us comes from here...  http://www.thescooterstore.com/


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:25:50 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::


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Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 01:28:16 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.


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Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 01:28:20 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....


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Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:28:39 AM
Welcome chickie....!  Please join us with your thoughts.

Night crew....I am riding off and will see you tomorrow.............................. ::MonkeyBike::

Good night Mere!   ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:30:31 AM
Welcome chickie....!  Please join us with your thoughts.

Night crew....I am riding off and will see you tomorrow.............................. ::MonkeyBike::

Be careful crossing the street Mere! ::MonkeyLaugh::

Thanks KTF..... 
I think the next one Klaas will have to get us comes from here...  http://www.thescooterstore.com/

Too much fun;))


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:32:18 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....

I was there Billb,but i know your gettin old as well.It's becoming increasingly difficult for Bilbo to come outta his cave these days... ::MonkeyDevil::


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:34:27 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:38:49 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Another Texan in the cage!   ::MonkeyCheer3::
You will find that there are quite a few of us here chickie! 
I'm not surprised by what you were told by the local Arubans in Oct 2005, I think the activities of Joran and his friends was very well known by many on the island.   


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:40:12 AM
BILLB

"I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day....."

KTF

I have Faith that Kermit,Freebirds,as well as the Monkey's will never give up on nailing the Perps!Justice will come.A wise Frog once said "FOLLOW THE MONEY".If anyone can find the green money it'd be a green frog..........


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:40:27 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 01:40:46 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....

I was there Billb,but i know your gettin old as well.It's becoming increasingly difficult for Bilbo to come outta his cave these days... ::MonkeyDevil::
That was you ktf?...
I know...should have mentioned you too...but I am getting old... ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyConfused::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 01:44:37 AM
Just amazing after 18 years...
Jaycee Dugard is free.....

Sorry for the O/T, but I agree! The guy should never ever have been let out of jail to begin with. What an ordeal and tragedy for Jaycee, and her parents!


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Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:44:41 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

CBB.I think a moratorium should be placed in to affect in regards to how many Texans can be in the forum at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: JUST KIDDING... ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:44:59 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 01:46:45 AM
i think the latest discussion topic concerned the fate of Natalee, ie sex slave, the statement of joran to patrick. 
i wanted to add my 2 cents if you all don't mind....

i am inclined to believe the statements to patrick to a point.  i believe that joran and paulus are at the root of this tragedy. 
however, i don't think that joran is telling the WHOLE truth in the patrick video. 
i feel that joran was more actively involved in Natalee's death than he admits in his statements. he says the sex was consensual, he gave her no drugs, and she just starts convulsing.  i don't buy it. 
he almost makes it seem HE is a victim in all this -- that he was 'scared' and act like he had no other course of action available.  BS!!
i just think there is more than what he is saying. 
if you think about it, most jailhouse confessions are never the whole story the first telling. as investigators dig and ask questions, the story often changes as the truth comes out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:46:51 AM
Just amazing after 18 years...
Jaycee Dugard is free.....

Sorry for the O/T, but I agree! The guy should never ever have been let out of jail to begin with. What an ordeal and tragedy for Jaycee, and her parents!

I SMILED THROUGH THE TEARS..THAT GIRL/WOMEN HAS A WILL FOR LIFE LIKE NO OTHER.... ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::


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Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:47:36 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

CBB.I think a moratorium should be placed in to affect in regards to how many Texans can be in the forum at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: JUST KIDDING... ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:49:09 AM
i think the latest discussion topic concerned the fate of Natalee, ie sex slave, the statement of joran to patrick. 
i wanted to add my 2 cents if you all don't mind....

i am inclined to believe the statements to patrick to a point.  i believe that joran and paulus are at the root of this tragedy. 
however, i don't think that joran is telling the WHOLE truth in the patrick video. 
i feel that joran was more actively involved in Natalee's death than he admits in his statements. he says the sex was consensual, he gave her no drugs, and she just starts convulsing.  i don't buy it. 
he almost makes it seem HE is a victim in all this -- that he was 'scared' and act like he had no other course of action available.  BS!!
i just think there is more than what he is saying. 
if you think about it, most jailhouse confessions are never the whole story the first telling. as investigators dig and ask questions, the story often changes as the truth comes out.

Very good points chickie!  I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:49:31 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

CBB.I think a moratorium should be placed in to affect in regards to how many Texans can be in the forum at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: JUST KIDDING... ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyDevil::


As long as they know how to bar-b-que and nail a perp,i say let em all in.Here,here! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:51:05 AM
OK Wreck.I lied.Two more spins with the eyes closed,hands up,feet in and you'll be in the Natalee thread lookin at Billb and maybe TM.... ::MonkeyLaugh::


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Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 01:51:31 AM
Hi Chickie!!  I talk in pictures, but it's really sincere!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:51:43 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

CBB.I think a moratorium should be placed in to affect in regards to how many Texans can be in the forum at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: JUST KIDDING... ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyDevil::


As long as they know how to bar-b-que and nail a perp,i say let em all in.Here,here! ::MonkeyFootball::

Wish we could find one that does those things and can translate Papiamentu!   ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 01:52:32 AM


That's beautiful CBB!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 01:55:49 AM
thank you!  i too am from TX, texasmom!

i have been following the case since i first saw it on one of the big news channels (fox, msnbc, i don't remember) soon after Natalee disappeared in 2005. 
i kept up with it as i was planning my wedding in october of the same year and honeymooning in none other than aruba.
even then, i spoke with locals who felt that Joran et al were involved and were not happy with how the investigation was progressing.
this case just has a meaning to me i guess.  i can't think of my wedding and honeymoon without remembering Natalee.

Ok,Ok that's three from Texas!NO TEAMING UP ON THE OUTTA STATER's... ::MonkeyFootball::

I probably can't name them all, but there's more than that KTF!   ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyTongue::

CBB.I think a moratorium should be placed in to affect in regards to how many Texans can be in the forum at once! ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyTongue:: JUST KIDDING... ::MonkeyTease::

::MonkeyDevil::


As long as they know how to bar-b-que and nail a perp,i say let em all in.Here,here! ::MonkeyFootball::

Wish we could find one that does those things and can translate Papiamentu!   ::MonkeyDance::

Be careful what ya ask for.We could start a papiemento fund for TM to go to papiemento class! ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 01:57:12 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::


Hello texasmom....It's a great day for justice...
I'm feeling it...coming soon... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 01:58:07 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:01:09 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.

I agree CBB.In my opinion!That was as good as it get's. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:01:18 AM
Hey Wreck!Two spins in the emroidered NightCrew chair and you'll miraculously(is that a word?)end up on the Natalee Holloway thread at Scared Monkeys.... ::cartwheel::

Close your eyes tight,but when they open up you'll see Billb... ::MonkeyTease::
Wreck was here just before I logged on.....
We were both here when robots and kermit showed up last night.....
I'm feeling good that Justice for Natalee is getting closer every day.....

Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::


Hello texasmom....It's a great day for justice...
I'm feeling it...coming soon... ::MonkeyCool::

Yes, it is billb!  It's been too long coming!  I hope it's soon! 

  ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 02:02:21 AM
i think the latest discussion topic concerned the fate of Natalee, ie sex slave, the statement of joran to patrick. 
i wanted to add my 2 cents if you all don't mind....

i am inclined to believe the statements to patrick to a point.  i believe that joran and paulus are at the root of this tragedy. 
however, i don't think that joran is telling the WHOLE truth in the patrick video. 
i feel that joran was more actively involved in Natalee's death than he admits in his statements. he says the sex was consensual, he gave her no drugs, and she just starts convulsing.  i don't buy it. 
he almost makes it seem HE is a victim in all this -- that he was 'scared' and act like he had no other course of action available.  BS!!
i just think there is more than what he is saying. 
if you think about it, most jailhouse confessions are never the whole story the first telling. as investigators dig and ask questions, the story often changes as the truth comes out.
Yes chickie...if only the bolded above was the case......Natalee would be home where she belongs...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:02:29 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.

HA!! I found it!! Remember this, you wonderful vintage monkeys??

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/1.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 02:02:32 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.

i don't think i am familiar with this police car tape.  would you mind filling me in or directing me to more info on it?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 02:06:55 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.
CBB....I don't think you're beating a dead horse..we all saw Beth when Peter dV showed Beth the tape....that explained a lot and provided closure.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:07:39 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.

i don't think i am familiar with this police car tape.  would you mind filling me in or directing me to more info on it?


I'm SO glad you asked because it gives me an excuse to ask the other posters here!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Guys? I went looking for it earlier tonight, and I can't figure out where it is! Anybody?

Chickie, it's on Scared Monkeys somewhere, and being a mod, I should know, but I don't! It used to be within the important case documents, but I didn't see it!   ::MonkeyEek:: There's quite a line by line analysis of it too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 02:12:01 AM
thank you!  hopefully someone will find it and direct me there.

i have tried to use the search function myself, but there is sooooo much info that i find myself overwhelmed!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:12:18 AM
I'm beating a dead horse, I know, but I've always thought that the police car tape was a really good resource considering ALE got rid of all other evidence that came their way. To me, the Patrick tape was huge, if for no other reason than Beth got to see and hear from Joran's mouth that he was there when Natalee died and/or was disposed of. The Patrick video dispelled any hope Joran ever had of "cleaning up" his image. There was some sort of closure in that for Beth, and God knows, she had that bit of comfort coming.

Not a dead horse imo at all CBB, well worth reminding everyone about.  We don't ever need to forget what was caught on tape between the three very early in the case, while in custody.

The Patrick tape was huge to me too, for many of the same reasons.  Joran had so many people fooled until they saw the "real" Joran in those tapes.  

And they did give Beth some of the answers she needed and deserved.  She would have never gotten them from Joran otherwise.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:13:43 AM
thank you!  hopefully someone will find it and direct me there.

i have tried to use the search function myself, but there is sooooo much info that i find myself overwhelmed!

I should be able to direct you to it here, but this is a link to it on another site:

http://scrux.com/transcripts/policecarconvo/policecarconvo.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:15:28 AM
This is a transcript from a translation done by an internet poster called Arubagirl.  It has been fomatted for easier reading.  This conversation was recorded without the knowlege of the participants as they all three sat in the back seat of a police car on June 24th.
 

Deepak:  How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good that my father has nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit.  (then very calmly) You know what happened with that girl. If you don't know it, then nothing happened. (then angrily) So, fxxx you. What do you say, that Freddy has to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy has to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy has told the truth.
Satish: You will see, you will see.
Deepak: You could have prevented it from the beginning, this, of your father.  You know it. That he wasn't arrested.
Joran: How? How? (stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers.  And this is how you pay it back. (now with an angry voice) I should hit you both once [een klap moeten geven].
Deepak: Then try it. You can make it better in one time.
Joran:  About what? You can also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  I'm going home.
Joran:  Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak:  I guarantee you.
Joran: Don't you think that the police is interested in knowing that Satish touched a girl with the car? 
[the word 'geraakt' is being used, translated here literally, but you can use the word 'hit' also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], you let me laugh boy, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [choller]?  I have helped you with that that shit of the choller friend.
Deepak:  And, I also said that.
Joran:  That I have not read. I have also read that statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish:   I have already told that before.  I have also said that in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That is what the police tells me now.  Police says now to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We don't put you in trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two don't do.  The half of what you two have said isn't the fxxxing truth. It will come forward. Just like they check me, they check you two also.
Satish:  With us, with us, can they get evidence, but with you not. [ a bit unclear: It's: bij ons, bij ons. Kunnen zij bewijzen krijgen, maar bij jou nief] With lies, you don't get evidence,
Joran:  All that shit of "Karen," all of you two don't know of no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak:  You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran:  We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran:  I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish:  I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak:  I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran:  I have said nothing about burying.  The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right?   Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right.  And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran:  Who has said that?
Satish:  You said that.
Joran:  I have never said that friend.  I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran:  We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran:  The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak:  Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran:  What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Satish:  We didn't declare anything.
Joran:  Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran:  You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what.  All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran:  That's not true.
Deepak:  I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Joran:  Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak:  We suffered a lot because of you.
Joran:  That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers:  Me too.  Me too.
Joran:  And you Satish, they're telling me that you asshole, see ghosts in the [jail]cell. They told me that you saw the girl in your cell and that you were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two other boys were seeing ghosts.  You also believe the people who are here in jail. That has nothing to do with ghosts and that is just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you.  And also the two security guards, they have guaranteed me that they will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran:  Who has declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? because I don't want to put anyone in trouble who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You admitted that.
Deepak or Satish:(screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran:  You two paid him off, right.
Brothers:   ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran:  You said then via the telephone like, that I have the jackpot. You said now [?] through the phone , I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget that the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak:  Shut your trap [hou je bek]
Joran:  You forget that, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it". Good for you [meaning your own fault]. because of you he is also in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers)Man, what can you go do? [illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe] 
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no.
Brothers: Fxxx you, we don't talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak:  Shut your trap.  Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran:  If my father doesn't leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth before I hit it shut.
Deepak: Do it then, you're already in jail.
Joran:  Doesn't matter to me. They can even put me in the fxxxing solitary [cashot]. It doesn't matter to me.
Deepak:  They're going to give you fifteen years if they find the girl.
Joran:  For what? for what?
Deepak:  That scholarship of yours. Byeeeeeeee. You can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who?  By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, otherwise you wouldn't lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran:  I should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Won't be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge of instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran:  Then they are also allowed to hit me. Do you think that it makes a difference to me. One slap will be enough.
Satish:  You think, you think.
Joran:  What do you think, that you are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish:  Look, the police already went to my house and already investigated [searched] the house. Did they find a gun? What will she get?  ["Wat zal zij krijgen." The word 'zij' is for the word 'she' or for 'they', but they use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why is that shit not true?  Witnesses saw you.
Satish:  In the end we will see, who gets out and who stays.  You tell the truth, we shall see.
Joran:  I know that I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:16:05 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:18:54 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:21:41 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good KTF!    ::MonkeyCheer4:::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:22:44 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:23:57 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good KTF!    ::MonkeyCheer4:::

Usin Wrecks cheerleader..You tryin to bring him out!You Texans.. ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:30:17 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 02:32:42 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good KTF!    ::MonkeyCheer4:::

Usin Wrecks cheerleader..You tryin to bring him out!You Texans.. ::MonkeyCheer3::
Blue and gold...chargers... ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:34:48 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

Good job CBB!  I'd been looking too! 
  ::MonkeyCheer2::::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:35:00 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good KTF!    ::MonkeyCheer4:::

Usin Wrecks cheerleader..You tryin to bring him out!You Texans.. ::MonkeyCheer3::
Blue and gold...chargers... ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::

 ::MonkeyFootball:: GO...............SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:36:04 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

Good job CBB!  I'd been looking too! 
  ::MonkeyCheer2::::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


You two didn't happen to run into each other back in the caverns of the Monkey archives did you? ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 02:37:20 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:39:19 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

Good job CBB!  I'd been looking too! 
  ::MonkeyCheer2::::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


You two didn't happen to run into each other back in the caverns of the Monkey archives did you? ::MonkeyDevil::

It's weird when that happens! It's like that movie with Michael Douglas and Demi Moore, and he's on this virtual computer, and she comes around the corner!    ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:39:29 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::
I'll let Wreck or Robots get em in the END of the boat..I make a better rower! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 02:39:53 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

excellent!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:41:00 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::

But, But, there's no room there! We'll have to throw the anchor overboard to make room! Oooops! That's what we happen to have them tied to!    ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:42:18 AM
AHA!!! Here it is.............. on monkeys and analyzed!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0

Good job CBB!  I'd been looking too! 
  ::MonkeyCheer2::::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


You two didn't happen to run into each other back in the caverns of the Monkey archives did you? ::MonkeyDevil::

I hadn't gotten quite that far back yet!   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey there's a LOT of interesting stuff there!  I can spend days going back and reading even though I've read it all before.

I'm so thankful I won't have to do that anymore to get a smile from a robots post....cause he's back!!!!!!!  I can't help but smile ear to ear every time I think about it!

 ::MonkeyHeart::


 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on August 28, 2009, 02:44:24 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....texasmom, Keepthefaith, chickie and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
I've got an 0 dark 30 flight to Guam tomorrow (business trip) and won't be back until Labor day weekend....
I'll check in when I can....
Keep The Faith Good Monkeys...
Justice is Coming..be afraid paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido....american traitors...cover-up disinfo crew...aruba govt/OM POS......
did I leave anyone out?...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:45:00 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::
I'll let Wreck or Robots get em in the END of the boat..I make a better rower! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Aw shoot, KTF! Let's just run 'em down............. one at a time!   ::MonkeyTease::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/sweaty-running-man.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:47:07 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::

But, But, there's no room there! We'll have to throw the anchor overboard to make room! Oooops! That's what we happen to have them tied to!    ::MonkeyDevil2::

I tell ya..Robots came out firin on all cylinders.Talkin bout gettin all Creasy on there azzez for takin Natalee!I agree 110%!Nothin would exempliy justice better then a Creasy Butt bomb...Just make sure you ask KTF for a feces suit...... ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 02:47:43 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....texasmom, Keepthefaith, chickie and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
I've got an 0 dark 30 flight to Guam tomorrow (business trip) and won't be back until Labor day weekend....
I'll check in when I can....
Keep The Faith Good Monkeys...
Justice is Coming..be afraid paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido....american traitors...cover-up disinfo crew...aruba govt/OM POS......
did I leave anyone out?...


We'll miss you!!!

I've got work tomorrow too, so I should get some sleep! Chickie? Welcome again!

Sleep Well All and God Bless!

Justice for Natalee!

I owe, I owe,
So off to work I go.........     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:48:01 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....texasmom, Keepthefaith, chickie and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
I've got an 0 dark 30 flight to Guam tomorrow (business trip) and won't be back until Labor day weekend....
I'll check in when I can....
Keep The Faith Good Monkeys...
Justice is Coming..be afraid paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido....american traitors...cover-up disinfo crew...aruba govt/OM POS......
did I leave anyone out?...


Safe travels Billb! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:49:01 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::
I'll let Wreck or Robots get em in the END of the boat..I make a better rower! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Aw shoot, KTF! Let's just run 'em down............. one at a time!   ::MonkeyTease::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/sweaty-running-man.gif)

::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel:: ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:51:15 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....texasmom, Keepthefaith, chickie and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
I've got an 0 dark 30 flight to Guam tomorrow (business trip) and won't be back until Labor day weekend....
I'll check in when I can....
Keep The Faith Good Monkeys...
Justice is Coming..be afraid paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido....american traitors...cover-up disinfo crew...aruba govt/OM POS......
did I leave anyone out?...


Have a safe trip billb!  I'll miss you terribly, but I'll look forward to you checking in when you can.

Good night billb!   ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:52:11 AM
I tried... ::MonkeyLaugh::

You did good, KTF!! We just have great minds and they think alike!   ::MonkeyWink::

I haven't read it in awhile!It's pretty incriminating..Just pisses me off..I hope that cuhalawasse river trip is close!

As wise monkey once said"If we take them all down the river i'm sure JUSTICE will bend them over. "
It pisses me off too KTF....let's get em in the boat....The END of the boat... ::MonkeyDevil::
I'll let Wreck or Robots get em in the END of the boat..I make a better rower! ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Aw shoot, KTF! Let's just run 'em down............. one at a time!   ::MonkeyTease::

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/express/sweaty-running-man.gif)

Put that pedal to the metal!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:52:57 AM
Good Night Good Monkeys....texasmom, Keepthefaith, chickie and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.
I've got an 0 dark 30 flight to Guam tomorrow (business trip) and won't be back until Labor day weekend....
I'll check in when I can....
Keep The Faith Good Monkeys...
Justice is Coming..be afraid paulass/urine/k2/freddie/guido....american traitors...cover-up disinfo crew...aruba govt/OM POS......
did I leave anyone out?...


We'll miss you!!!

I've got work tomorrow too, so I should get some sleep! Chickie? Welcome again!

Sleep Well All and God Bless!

Justice for Natalee!

I owe, I owe,
So off to work I go.........     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good night and God bless you too CBB!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 02:54:59 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, CBB and 3 Guests

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:57:58 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeY21.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 02:58:43 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom, CBB and 3 Guests

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night and God bless you too KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 03:02:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Beth_hollowayfamilygall-550.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 03:03:42 AM


Good night!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 03:05:23 AM
well, that police tape was quite an interesting read.  thanks to all for finding that for me.
now i do remember seeing that long ago.  at the time, it was just another of the many reports that surfaced then quickly evaporated.
 i really appreciated the analysis along with this transcipt.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on August 28, 2009, 03:20:17 AM
With the look back tonight, I thought I'd say goodnight with this. We know more now, but for me, Beth's heart has always shared the focus of this case along with her beautiful daughter, Natalee. As hard as it was, I believe this helped her..............


http://www.youtube.com/v/zogNuBp9PDk&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 03:46:11 AM
 


 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 28, 2009, 08:50:25 AM
Thanx TxMom for this.  Highlighted in red struck my funny bone.  I'm thinking the Russians?  You know, the ones who are currently drilling for oil offshore Aruba?  ::MonkeyWink::

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61605.php

Google translation:

Oduber: "Timing closure Valero suspicious'

August 27, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber find it strange that Valero has decided to rather than expect the refinery to more non-active state. "They promised us that they had until the end of September, so after the election, would take a final decision."

The Prime Minister finds it "deeply regrettable" that Valero is not, as agreed, had to wait until after the election. "This reminds me of 1985 when Exxon announced before the election that they were closing the refinery and sent their delay coker to Rotterdam under a gentleman's agreement with the Dutch government." There are some repairs that still need to do The prime minister. "The turnaround I do not see happen."
The refinery is also not completely closed, said Oduber. "It continues to be idle. Because they must still remain WEB with fuel to continue importing gasoline and diesel continue to produce. "

The Prime Minister, the government has the obligation to Aruban 500 contract workers, which by September 11th be sent home to protect. "I've spoken with a number of them. I told them I was not going to promise what I can not fulfill, but their situation that we keep a close eye. I have also spoken with union IOWUA. They know what it plays and what the global situation. "The prime minister does not want it played politics with the current situation of the refinery. "MEP is not the owner of the refinery. All we can do is make sure that the conditions for a refinery to have in place. "

Petro China as it is not the government will find a different company. "But the new operator must have its own oil." According Oduber operators not walk around in the wild. "Otherwise we already had a new buyer for the refinery. If the government must accommodate to the extent that we do get to the good of the Aruban economy and thus maintain the refinery. I think it is important that Aruba has a refinery, "said Prime Minister Oduber, which says it is looking forward to next Friday, when the ruling in the arbitration case between the government and Valero is given. "I am convinced that this will be our advantage. Like last week against Astec. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 28, 2009, 08:55:03 AM
I didn't want the "Night Crew" to think I was ignoring them! I went to bed a little early last night. I was off all week, but getting ready to leave for Denver this morning (not quite as exotic as Guam!!)

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 28, 2009, 09:06:29 AM
I didn't want the "Night Crew" to think I was ignoring them! I went to bed a little early last night. I was off all week, but getting ready to leave for Denver this morning (not quite as exotic as Guam!!)

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Enjoy your trip, Wreck!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 28, 2009, 09:15:03 AM
I didn't want the "Night Crew" to think I was ignoring them! I went to bed a little early last night. I was off all week, but getting ready to leave for Denver this morning (not quite as exotic as Guam!!)

 ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyCheer4::

Enjoy your trip, Wreck!
Thanks! Come to think of it..... I have been a little "off" for a very long time!  ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 28, 2009, 09:46:55 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 28, 2009, 10:45:04 AM
Good morning monkeys! 

Found this interesting:   ::MonkeyCool::

In addition to other regulatory mechanisms already mentioned on this blog, you may wish to contact the:

The Netherlands Authority for the Financial Markets
Vijzelgracht 50
1017 HS Amsterdam
- or -
PO Box 11723
1001 GS, Amsterdam
NETHERLANDS, THE
Tel: (31 20) 797 2000
Fax: (31 20) 797 3800
Email: IS@afm.nl
Internet: http://www.afm.nl/

________________________________________________________________________

Justin Salomon is hooked up the Permian assets and he is hooked up to Geotech oil.
Geotech oil is the one we want to find out – if it is connected to Silvetti’s UK company.

Seisma Oil Research -> Permian Asset management (they are oil brokers) with office in Aruba ->Lincoln Gomez on the board of directors
Seisma Oil Research LLC http://www.seismaresearch.com/ were added to the FSA’s list of ‘Unauthorised overseas firms operating in the UK’ on 29 April 2008.
Seisma Oil Research partners with Evans Energy and EnerMax
Evans Energy is connected to Justin Solomon of Geotech, LLC Oil & Gas Co.

John Silvetti companies
The Group represents the integrated capabilities of five GeoLab Companies; GeoLab Technical Services Ltd. (UK), GeoLab srl. (Italy), GeoLab bv (Netherlands), GeoLab LLC (USA) and GeoLab Technical Services Nigeria Ltd. (Nigeria).

Source: ScaredMonkey

http://scamfraudalert.wordpress.com/2009/04/18/seisma-oil-research-llc-unauthorized-to-conduct-business-in-london/

This blog has interesting comments, all negative, regarding Seisma. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 28, 2009, 12:05:10 PM
A little birdie sent me some interesting information, so I decided to do a little digging.

I asked myself, why in the world would a Swiss Bank be interested in locating Julia Renfro?

After I found out a possible reason I then asked myself - how many Julia Renfro's are there (US citizens) and how many of them would have reason to potentially stash mega bucks into a Swiss Bank account?  ::MonkeyDevil2::

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IRS to Receive Unprecedented Amount of Information in UBS Agreement
 
IR-2009-75, Aug. 19, 2009
WASHINGTON — The Internal Revenue Service and the Department of Justice today announced the successful negotiation of an agreement that will result in the IRS receiving an unprecedented amount of information on United States holders of accounts at the Swiss bank UBS.

As a result of this agreement, the IRS will receive substantially all of the accounts that it was interested in when it initiated the John Doe summons against UBS.

Under the agreement, the IRS will submit a treaty request to the Swiss government describing the accounts for which it is requesting information. The Swiss government will then direct UBS to initiate procedures to turn over information on thousands of accounts to the IRS. The IRS will receive information on accounts of various amounts and types, including bank-only accounts, custody accounts in which securities or other investment assets were held and offshore company nominee accounts through which an individual indirectly held beneficial ownership in the accounts.

Also, the agreement retains the U.S. Government’s right, if the results are significantly lower than expected and other measures fail, to seek appropriate judicial remedies, including resuming actions to enforce the John Doe summons.
The agreement involves a number of simultaneous legal actions:
•   The judicial enforcement of the John Doe summons will be dismissed. While this enforcement motion will be withdrawn, the underlying summons remains in effect.
•   Upon receiving the treaty request, the Swiss government will direct UBS to notify account holders that their information is included in the IRS treaty request. It is expected that these notices will be sent on a rolling basis with some being sent over the coming weeks and others over the coming months. Receipt of this notice will not by itself preclude the account holder from coming into the IRS under the Voluntary Disclosure Program.

In addition, the Swiss Government has agreed to review and process additional requests for information for other banks regarding their account holders to the extent that such a request is based on a pattern of facts and circumstances equivalent to those of the UBS case.

Information provided to the IRS through this process will be thoroughly examined for all potential civil and criminal tax violations. The IRS will assess any additional tax, interest and a number of applicable penalties. This includes the penalty for the willful failure to file an FBAR. This penalty can be up to 50 percent of the value of the account for each year an FBAR was not filed.
The IRS will also recommend criminal prosecution in those cases where the facts warrant such an action. To date, the IRS and the Department of Justice have successfully prosecuted four United States customers of UBS whose information was provided to the IRS by UBS as part of the Deferred Prosecution Agreement.
Individuals whose information is obtained by the IRS through this process will, by longstanding policy, not be eligible for the voluntary disclosure program.

http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=212124,00.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 12:15:31 PM
::MonkeyGavel::  TICK_TOCK   ::MonkeyGavel::

ME THINKS IT'S GONNA SUCK TO BE AN AMERICAN TRAITOR! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 28, 2009, 12:21:08 PM
KTF - Methinks you could be right!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 12:25:06 PM
KTF - Methinks you could be right!  ::MonkeyCool::

Just wanna thank you and the Birdie for making Friday morning so wonderful! ::MonkeyDance:: Now it's time for the first cup of coffee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 28, 2009, 12:32:26 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 28, 2009, 12:35:10 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 28, 2009, 12:37:22 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Oh Julia..It would behoove you to start chirpin(No pun intended Freebirds) ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 28, 2009, 12:39:50 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Yep.......could get dicey for some.  ::MonkeyDevil2:: Thanks to "Birdie" too.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 28, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 28, 2009, 02:23:43 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Domain Name:   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government) IP Address




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 28, 2009, 02:25:21 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Domain Name:   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government) IP Address




Hiya Kerm!  Yep, I was thinking of them too....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 28, 2009, 02:54:45 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Domain Name:   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government) IP Address




Hiya Kerm!  Yep, I was thinking of them too....

SOME FACTS ABOUT MONEY-LAUNDERING
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back:
now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings.
www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1017_e.php


(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7117/slootfamse9.jpg)
TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem


You open a bank account in Aruba through the mail. You do not have to go there in person.
You get an Apostille to basically notarize your documents for approval.
You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS!http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba
WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.

“ in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.” (Chapter 1 of Joran's book: Island boy)


PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 03:31:04 PM
hello all!  i introduced myself last night, but just want to say hello to all the daytime folk too!

i also have a random question.... i thought joran's book was called De Zaak Natalee Holloway (The Case of Natalee Holloway), what is this Island Boy kermit quoted from?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 28, 2009, 03:45:22 PM
hello all!  i introduced myself last night, but just want to say hello to all the daytime folk too!

i also have a random question.... i thought joran's book was called De Zaak Natalee Holloway (The Case of Natalee Holloway), what is this Island Boy kermit quoted from?

The name of Chapter One, in the book.  Each chapter is titled.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2009, 04:10:09 PM
hello all!  i introduced myself last night, but just want to say hello to all the daytime folk too!

i also have a random question.... i thought joran's book was called De Zaak Natalee Holloway (The Case of Natalee Holloway), what is this Island Boy kermit quoted from?

Hi chickie and welcome to Scared Monkeys  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 28, 2009, 04:34:43 PM
Thanks, Jen and KTF!

I think it will be interesting to see what shakes out of the 5,000 or so secret account holders that UBS is coughing up.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


.....and the other banks the Swiss govt agreed to have turn over the same info....

Domain Name:   treas.gov ? (U.S. Government) IP Address




Hiya Kerm!  Yep, I was thinking of them too....

SOME FACTS ABOUT MONEY-LAUNDERING
An amount of money is deposited cash at a bank and the bank lends the money back:
now there is a clean and legitimate source of earnings.
www.hyscience.com/archives/2005/10/harrytho_1017_e.php


(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7117/slootfamse9.jpg)
TRANSLATED:
Joran almost a year old - with rijn parents on the bank in Arnhem


You open a bank account in Aruba through the mail. You do not have to go there in person.
You get an Apostille to basically notarize your documents for approval.
You get an Apostille at the CENTRAL BUREAU LEGAL AND GENERAL AFFAIRS!http://offshoresimple.com/apostille.htm#aruba
WHERE PAULUS WORKED in 2004 - 2005 he said in his interview.

“ in 1990 Paul van der Sloot was offered a job at the "Central Bureau of Legal and General Affairs on Aruba.” (Chapter 1 of Joran's book: Island boy)


PROFESSIONAL OFFSHORE INCORPORATIONS AND OFFSHORE BANKING SERVICES







Thanks, Kermit! 

Hey, I'm feeling a little confused  ::MonkeyConfused::

In reading the caption on the photo of "Little Joran",

Are Paulus and Anita "Of Rhine" or "Of the Ditch"?

Or maybe "Of the Ditch" "By the Rhine"?

  ::MonkeyDevil2::






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 04:39:44 PM
oh thank you, buckeye! 

please forgive me for all my questions (i'm sure i will have more soon, hehe).
 i thought i was doing pretty good keeping up thru the media and with dave and beth's books -- apparently there is so much i am unaware of!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:35:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61649.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Van der Eem remains fixed

August 28, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Monday arrested Patrick Van der Eem least another eight days remain fixed. That the judge decided yesterday. Van der Eem was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially the threat very seriously and Justice which she wants more time to figure out which. Van der Eem has done what and who is not known. It remains in any case until September 5 behind bars.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:37:57 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61654.php

Google translation:

Police launches video surveillance

August 28, 2009, 14:15 (GMT -04:00)

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The surveillance car in the traffic offenders on secret camera captures.

ORANGE CITY - The Police Corps of Aruba has a new weapon in its fight against traffic: the camera surveillance car. A dark blue Mercedes, fully equipped with a camera, recording equipment and lights behind the grille, the Netherlands is boarded for speed demons, bumper stickers and drivers with a penchant for overtaking at right tackle.

Inspector Herman Slootman of the National Police Services (KLPD) together with a colleague from the Netherlands to Aruba flown to eight agents to give instruction on how to work with the so-called Registration Discreet Video Surveillance (VROS). Traffic with the camera above the dashboard of the vehicle is recorded and arrest the offenders immediately after their bad behavior face. According to police chief Peter de Witte is not intended that this car is secretly patrols. "We like to know the people that we have a new method to at least increase the probability of detection, because we like to change the behavior of road users and that there the confrontation will take place." Instance, eg drivers with over cars night street racing join now more likely to be arrested.

Antisocial behavior
According to Inspector Leifeld, the system (known in the Netherlands of the television View on the Way ") a lasting positive impact on human behavior. "The driver immediately confront his behavior to grow your understanding road users. Not only the normal road users but road users who cause a nuisance. Because they themselves have not notice that they are on a similar antisocial conduct. It is also true that as road users adhere to the rules, that the traffic flow in the benefits. "Slootman According to recordings by not only speeding, but also other forms of bad behavior, including driving without a safety belt and calls during the drive raised to be drivers. Besides facing the private driving offenders receive a fine.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:40:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61653.php

Valero workers keep cool

August 28, 2009, 14:14 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS - John 'Boy' Anthony, president of International Trade Union Oil Refinery Workers Union of Aruba (IOWUA) feels with about 500 contract workers between now and September 11 will not be extended by Valero.

"The contract workers are our brothers and cousins. They work alongside the employees of Valero. We know that it is very hard for them. "Furthermore, the union leader, the head cool as regards the current permanent shutdown of the refinery. "The employees of Valero paid and continue to date Valero has agreed to abide by all us into." IOWUA addition, as a big stick in the contract with the refinery indicated that any new operator is required to provide workers to take over. In addition, the refinery for two months' notice to hold themselves to any redundancies. Anthony says this is due to the fact that IOWUA affiliated to the powerful international union United Steelworkers (USW). They also contact the employee organization of Valero, Valero Counsil. IOWUA recently had contact with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber to indicate what priorities they have in terms of employment security, safety, environment and the future of the refinery. "So far he has been very fair with us," said Anthony, who called for primarily to keep a positive attitude. "It is about the importance of the refinery is very important for Aruba." From a possible sale of the refinery by Petro China, the union president did not know. "We have done away with the understanding that if a buyer as we are notified first. And believe me, if there is one then we know for sure. "


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:44:58 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61650.php

ARUBA

Rob Henriquez available as 'ministers'

August 28, 2009, 14:10 (GMT -04:00)


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Rob Henriquez, former president of the Central Bank Aruba

ORANGE CITY - The former president of the Central Bank Aruba has made available as "ministers", where a lot of its services and use expertise to make. RED has already announced that if the party in government is elected, she would like Henriquez as the new Minister of Finance sees.

Henriquez 'contract was not renewed in 2007, to tell his own critical attitude towards the government. The one billion debt of the state, he finds that Aruba should be placed under financial supervision by the Kingdom. This same structure as now happens in Curacao and St. Maarten. It is also one of the three conditions proposed for Henriquez as ministers in a new government to get started. The other is that a legally adopted budget comes standard with zero debt and a maximum of to the public cost. As a third condition that Henriquez financial assistance from the Netherlands or Europe to come, because social security and services are not now collectively to bring. It must include money to infrastructure, education, health, environment, law and sustainable economic development to pay.

Earlier, the former Bank President in this newspaper that the current one billion debt Aruba Netherlands financially just as much now as the Netherlands Antilles.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 28, 2009, 05:46:10 PM
Thanks, TM!!   ::MonkeyCool::

Looks like Glenda had it right.  8 more days for Patrick.

The polis car with the video better be careful they don't get in one of those accidents they have down there.    ::MonkeyJnBox::

Let's see how much strength the refinery worker's union has.  Time will tell.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:49:32 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61647.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Assignment Penalties for SVB-fraudsters

August 28, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In the six accused entrepreneurs who have participated in the light of the Social Insurance Bank (SVB) is a justice yesterday demanded imprisonment and community service. The highest penalty was E. van der Biezen to 10 months probation and 240 hours to service demands are heard.

In the fraud case were previously two audit staff SVB sentenced to one years pay back the cell and nearly 60,000 florin each. Both had during October 2005 and March 2007 ten thousand florins stolen. The money she collapsed on the accounts of six customers. Independent of the embezzlement, the suspects were also accused of money laundering. The prosecutor, however, found that six did not return to jail, but a community service or at his place. Suspect G. Tromp also heard yesterday of an unconditional prison sentence against him 9 months and 200 hours service requirements. For J. Saladin was 8 months probation with a requirement of 180 hours community service. By A. Stop weather was a half years probation and 200 hours of community service required. The claim against H. Cuba consisted of the half-year suspended prison and 160 hours service. C. Malmberg received the lowest sentence of 4 months probation and 120 hours service. Against all demanded the Public Prosecutor also a probationary period of two years.

The lawyers of the defendants found that there was embezzlement and money laundering. Moreover, they understood why their clients have already had to pay, since the two employees convicted accountant had all the money to pay back. Most defendants have misappropriated the money because all returned.

The offender workers discovered during the reorganization of the auditing system that added a substantial amount was reserved for companies that really did not exist and that was almost bankrupt. They approached six of these firms to ensure that money was inappropriately transferred. The pair made money over to the private or business accounts of those customers and then they got the client a part of the money on their own account. In an audit of the financial administration in March 2007 the two ran against the lamp.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:56:32 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

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patrick van der eem in freedom

local friday, 28 august 2009 - 15:48 after of owing to stay deteni some day happen, today the sospechoso patrick van der eem owing to recobra his freedom. as is conoci, he here naci at curacao but live at the netherlands owing to become much popular after cu el\'a graba joran van der sloot scondi in his car, at where cu joran van der sloot is admiti of will owing to asesina nathalee holloway. the time ey patrick van der eem owing to achieve very atencion at the netherlands, at aruba y also at merca. the have some day at aruba y polisnan owing to enter his bedroom at radisson resort at where cu owing to achieve drugs. also is acuse of owing to menaza a. yesterday fiscal owing to ask for prolonga his detencion but today end owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, for arrive at one schikking. cu this the sospechoso is pay one multa y the caso is stay till here. the have some day for pay the multa, de will contrario the caso penal in his contra is follow.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 05:59:01 PM
Thanks, TM!!   ::MonkeyCool::

Looks like Glenda had it right.  8 more days for Patrick.

The polis car with the video better be careful they don't get in one of those accidents they have down there.    ::MonkeyJnBox::

Let's see how much strength the refinery worker's union has.  Time will tell.

My gut says it's only a matter of time...till the camera is a victim of a hit and run!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:00:08 PM
Thanks, TM!!   ::MonkeyCool::

Looks like Glenda had it right.  8 more days for Patrick.

The polis car with the video better be careful they don't get in one of those accidents they have down there.    ::MonkeyJnBox::

Let's see how much strength the refinery worker's union has.  Time will tell.

My gut says it's only a matter of time...till the camera is a victim of a hit and run!   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::

That is....hit...steal it...and run!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 28, 2009, 06:02:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61649.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Van der Eem remains fixed

August 28, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Monday arrested Patrick Van der Eem least another eight days remain fixed. That the judge decided yesterday. Van der Eem was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially the threat very seriously and Justice which she wants more time to figure out which. Van der Eem has done what and who is not known. It remains in any case until September 5 behind bars.

Patrick van der Eem den libertad 
Local 
Friday, 28 August 2009 - 15:48 

Despues di a keda deteni algun dia pasa, awe e sospechoso Patrick van der Eem a recobra su libertad. Manera ta conoci, e homber aki naci na Curacao pero biba na Hulanda a bira hopi popular despues cu el'a graba Joran van der Sloot scondi den su auto, na unda cu Joran van der Sloot ta admiti di lo a asesina Nathalee Holloway. E tempo ey Patrick van der Eem a haya masha atencion na Hulanda, na Aruba y tambe na Merca. E tin algun dia na Aruba y Polisnan a drenta su kamber na Radisson Resort na unda cu a haya droga. Tambe ta acuse di a menaza un hende. Ayera Fiscal a pidi pa prolonga su detencion pero awe caba a yega na un acuerdo cu su abogado, pa yega na un schikking. Cu esaki e sospechoso ta paga un multa y e caso ta keda te aki. E tin algun dia pa paga e multa, de lo contrario e caso penal den su contra ta sigui.
 ::MonkeyConfused::
 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:05:00 PM
Thanks, TM!!   ::MonkeyCool::

Looks like Glenda had it right.  8 more days for Patrick.

The polis car with the video better be careful they don't get in one of those accidents they have down there.    ::MonkeyJnBox::

Let's see how much strength the refinery worker's union has.  Time will tell.

 ::MonkeyWink::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11476/1/

police envolvi in accidente

wednesday, 26 august 2009 - 23:55

in oranan of night did take lugar one accidente at crusada of mond’i hell cu one bmw cu two colega police in dje, owing to bay lora direccion franse peace. but one tercel blanco was biniendo of trafico contrario just instant cu the bmw owing to bay lora. the tercel blanco owing to bay strike in the bmw lagando enough damage material. the chauffeur of the tercel also owing to achieve sla at his curpa y owing to wordo transporta for hospital al equal cu the two agentenan, kendenan also owing to wordo transporta for hospital. click read more for more imagen... come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:07:33 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61649.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Van der Eem remains fixed

August 28, 2009, 14:09 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Monday arrested Patrick Van der Eem least another eight days remain fixed. That the judge decided yesterday. Van der Eem was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially the threat very seriously and Justice which she wants more time to figure out which. Van der Eem has done what and who is not known. It remains in any case until September 5 behind bars.

Patrick van der Eem den libertad 
Local 
Friday, 28 August 2009 - 15:48 

Despues di a keda deteni algun dia pasa, awe e sospechoso Patrick van der Eem a recobra su libertad. Manera ta conoci, e homber aki naci na Curacao pero biba na Hulanda a bira hopi popular despues cu el'a graba Joran van der Sloot scondi den su auto, na unda cu Joran van der Sloot ta admiti di lo a asesina Nathalee Holloway. E tempo ey Patrick van der Eem a haya masha atencion na Hulanda, na Aruba y tambe na Merca. E tin algun dia na Aruba y Polisnan a drenta su kamber na Radisson Resort na unda cu a haya droga. Tambe ta acuse di a menaza un hende. Ayera Fiscal a pidi pa prolonga su detencion pero awe caba a yega na un acuerdo cu su abogado, pa yega na un schikking. Cu esaki e sospechoso ta paga un multa y e caso ta keda te aki. E tin algun dia pa paga e multa, de lo contrario e caso penal den su contra ta sigui.
 ::MonkeyConfused::
 


The breaking news is that he's been released almost two hours after Amigoe published the article that he would be detained until Sept 5.

From what I gather some money exchanged hands, probably (my guess) for the unpaid hotel bills.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:08:44 PM


"exchanged hands" = he paid some money....I think anyway!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 06:09:27 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

patrick van der eem in freedom

local friday, 28 august 2009 - 15:48 after of owing to stay deteni some day happen, today the sospechoso patrick van der eem owing to recobra his freedom. as is conoci, he here naci at curacao but live at the netherlands owing to become much popular after cu el\'a graba joran van der sloot scondi in his car, at where cu joran van der sloot is admiti of will owing to asesina nathalee holloway. the time ey patrick van der eem owing to achieve very atencion at the netherlands, at aruba y also at merca. the have some day at aruba y polisnan owing to enter his bedroom at radisson resort at where cu owing to achieve drugs. also is acuse of owing to menaza a. yesterday fiscal owing to ask for prolonga his detencion but today end owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, for arrive at one schikking. cu this the sospechoso is pay one multa y the caso is stay till here. the have some day for pay the multa, de will contrario the caso penal in his contra is follow.

So Patrick has been released?  Glenda/Renfro said he'd be detained for another 8 days, guess she was wrong again.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 06:12:05 PM
Posted at RU:

iquitos Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 4:41 pm
   
it appears the judge never saw the file

the om (Ms. Dop Kruimel of Dutch crime TV fame) extended the detention on its authority because the judge didn't have time to review the case by the deadline. then the om cut a deal and let mr. van der eem out so he could take a shower, change into some some decent clothes, and maybe even put a shirt on.

24 ora wins the race again. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:14:29 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

patrick van der eem in freedom

local friday, 28 august 2009 - 15:48 after of owing to stay deteni some day happen, today the sospechoso patrick van der eem owing to recobra his freedom. as is conoci, he here naci at curacao but live at the netherlands owing to become much popular after cu el\'a graba joran van der sloot scondi in his car, at where cu joran van der sloot is admiti of will owing to asesina nathalee holloway. the time ey patrick van der eem owing to achieve very atencion at the netherlands, at aruba y also at merca. the have some day at aruba y polisnan owing to enter his bedroom at radisson resort at where cu owing to achieve drugs. also is acuse of owing to menaza a. yesterday fiscal owing to ask for prolonga his detencion but today end owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, for arrive at one schikking. cu this the sospechoso is pay one multa y the caso is stay till here. the have some day for pay the multa, de will contrario the caso penal in his contra is follow.

So Patrick has been released?  Glenda/Renfro said he'd be detained for another 8 days, guess she was wrong again.  ::MonkeyCool::

I think the actual ruling was that he be held another 8 days, but one of the articles I read said something about something else happening today.  I'll have to find it, but maybe whatever that was that the judge was checking into; proved that they didn't have enough to hold him.  That's just speculation on my part.  But I did read that his detention was extended; and that's what the other news sources picked up on too.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 28, 2009, 06:17:41 PM
I think the 24 Ora article says that he was fined and told to get outta Dodge. ::MonkeyDevil::
Come across!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on August 28, 2009, 06:20:16 PM
http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

(http://www.24ora.com/images/stories/news/breaking%20news.gif)

patrick van der eem in freedom

local friday, 28 august 2009 - 15:48 after of owing to stay deteni some day happen, today the sospechoso patrick van der eem owing to recobra his freedom. as is conoci, he here naci at curacao but live at the netherlands owing to become much popular after cu el\'a graba joran van der sloot scondi in his car, at where cu joran van der sloot is admiti of will owing to asesina nathalee holloway. the time ey patrick van der eem owing to achieve very atencion at the netherlands, at aruba y also at merca. the have some day at aruba y polisnan owing to enter his bedroom at radisson resort at where cu owing to achieve drugs. also is acuse of owing to menaza a. yesterday fiscal owing to ask for prolonga his detencion but today end owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, for arrive at one schikking. cu this the sospechoso is pay one multa y the caso is stay till here. the have some day for pay the multa, de will contrario the caso penal in his contra is follow.

So Patrick has been released?  Glenda/Renfro said he'd be detained for another 8 days, guess she was wrong again.  ::MonkeyCool::

I think the actual ruling was that he be held another 8 days, but one of the articles I read said something about something else happening today.  I'll have to find it, but maybe whatever that was that the judge was checking into; proved that they didn't have enough to hold him.  That's just speculation on my part.  But I did read that his detention was extended; and that's what the other news sources picked up on too.

There is some talk that the judge was not available to review the file so the OM made a deal and released him.  Perhaps Renfro was the source for the "news" sources.  She needs to get better inside informers.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:23:55 PM
I think the 24 Ora article says that he was fined and told to get outta Dodge. ::MonkeyDevil::
Come across!

 ::MonkeyHaHa:: You're hired!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 28, 2009, 06:24:03 PM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:28:16 PM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.

I read Esther Schwengle one time and then someone else last night...don't recall who that was...I'll try to find it.  I only read about 10 days worth of articles last night!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:35:09 PM
I found this interesting too, the first articles I read only mentioned Anthony Carlo...this one adds Paul Vandersloot.

8/26/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08262009AweMaintaPg3_1.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

mike de meza vs sun of people practica of sun of people is sample of mentalidad of his faction, insinua y soil name of person right

yesterday afternoon 2’or did take lugar the caso sumario cu member of parliament mike de meza owing to cuminsa contra sr. edmond croes of the corant sun of people. pafo of edificio of corte had various simpatisante of member of parliament mike de meza present. mike de meza owing to wordo representa for advocate mr. anthony carlo y mr. paul van der sloot, while cu edmond croes of sun of people owing to wordo representa for mr. nilo croes. advocate mr. anthony carlo is achieve cu edmond croes owing to come cu acusacionnan not erect contra mike de meza y pesey owing to cuminsa the caso for rectificacion. the is referi here one publicacion day 4 of august 2009 caminda sun of people is publica cu ralph sanchez of racetrack owing to pay pasashi y estadia for mike de meza for declara contra people of aruba.

owing to ask edmond croes for rectifica y after of one week past owing to go back haci another publicacion contra mike de meza. entretanto owing to cuminsa the caso sumario owing to wordo entrega y after sun of people owing to publica cu ralph sanchez not owing to pay for ticket for mike de meza but one amigo of mike de meza this is one equibocacion of sun of people. but the will other cu sun of people owing to publica is stay so, because have documentonan cu is proof this. mr. carlo do not considera this one rectificacion y is insisti for sun of people rectifica, because here is come cu acusacionnan without cu have proof. according mr. anthony carlo all thing sun of people is talk of dje is owing to base of one relato of parliament of 2005 y the is achieve cu sun of people owing to atacha y good name y integridad of mike de meza. sun of people is believe cu everybody is same cu they.

advocate mr. nilo croes owing to tell huez cu the is ask about his self what damage mike de meza owing to abide. the is achieve cu mike de meza can owing to bay n’e corant y expresa his self. advocate croes is achieve cu day 24 august 2009, sun of people owing to rectifica thing have to owing to wordo rectifica. past owing to show cu sun of people owing to publica cu none instant sanchez owing to pay pasashi of mike de meza. sun of people not owing to rectifica another partinan, because the is dispone of documentonan of declaracion of mike de meza cu is show claramente his envolvimento in racetrack.

according advocate nilo croes, the is achieve cu in conferencia of prensa mike de meza can owing to aclara this also. sun of people have declaracion of mike de meza cu owing to place cu henny eman y tico croes owing to lose the caso contra sanchez. past owing to show cu de meza in his declaracion owing to wing behind in his funcion in colorado hills by cu gobierno owing to mine the proyecto racetrack. mike de meza owing to declara cu gobierno owing to mine the proyecto. owing to base of this edmond croes is achieve cu mike de meza owing to place cu gobierno of aruba owing to lose the caso contra sanchez y have to owing to pay 22 miyon dollar. that know if mike de meza will owing to achieve one part of the coin here. here once more, nilo croes at name of his cliente is follow cu they insinuacion.

on this mike de meza owing to reacciona, saying cu this t’e mentalidad of the hendenan here of mep. t’asina they're think, for cual is fix cos for friends & family. mike de meza owing to tell huez also, cu recientemente again, sun of people is come cu publicacion, without menciona his name, but everybody can compronde cu is his person they're referi at dje, insinuando cu beslag owing to being poni on his cuentanan bancario, relaciona cu one investigacion cu is tumando lugar in valero. t’asina sun of people y his hendenan is work, for deal at desacredita person right, según mike de meza. advocate nilo croes owing to show cu owing to base of evrm, politico have to can more contra critica. past owing to menciona sentencia of evrm caminda is achieve cu the derecho of expresion of prensa is wordo defende. nilo croes is achieve cu not owing to atacha the good name y integridad of mike de meza. past owing to ask huez for rechaza the demanda of member of parliament mike de meza. huez owing to tell cu the will bay study the caso y day 16 of september the will dicta sentencia.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 28, 2009, 06:36:32 PM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.

I read Esther Schwengle one time and then someone else last night...don't recall who that was...I'll try to find it.  I only read about 10 days worth of articles last night!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Not to worry TM.  I figured it wasn't Paulus or Antionio Carlo. ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:46:50 PM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.

I read Esther Schwengle one time and then someone else last night...don't recall who that was...I'll try to find it.  I only read about 10 days worth of articles last night!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/11480/8/

snip:
Abogado mr. Esther Schwengle cu ta representa Patrick vd Eem

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/noticia/news4.html

snip:

today morning patrick will have of present close fiscal y also huez apparently the will wordo asisti for his advocate mr tiel.

(That was my interpretation about that Mr. Tiel....I could be wrong.)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 06:47:29 PM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.

I read Esther Schwengle one time and then someone else last night...don't recall who that was...I'll try to find it.  I only read about 10 days worth of articles last night!

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Not to worry TM.  I figured it wasn't Paulus or Antionio Carlo. ::MonkeyDevil2::

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 07:26:53 PM
The Diario article was the one I was recalling where they mentioned the activities following the extension of his dentention:

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/news5.html

Papiamentu translation:

detencion of patrick van der eem prolonga

(http://www.diarioaruba.com/diabierna/noticia/patrickvandereem.jpg)

oranjestad (aan): his comportacion ultimo dianan on caya, y also in some lugar not was esun more ehemplar.

kico exactly owing to socede, do not conoci, but denuncia of menaza have contra the conocido patrick van der eem, one person naci at curacao but live at the netherlands, y cu owing to become mundialmente famous for his interview of hidden-video cu joran van der sloot. past owing to stay deteni at one highrise hotel, y for colmo in his power owing to achieve drugs also.

diahuebs morning past owing to present fast huez comisario, that owing to revisa his folder of detencion, the acusacion, y the proceso of interogacion. because; cu was one day much pisa for corte, owing to dicidi cu is prolonga cu detencion cu 8 day, for interogacion can follow.

sinembargo have indicacion cu today diabierna, huez comisario will can revisa the folder once more extenso, y as consideracion cu the opinion of advocate, y can give one cambio on this.

expertonan owing to show cu muy probably esey will not socede, then patrick van der eem will stay sleep on cama of beton can will soon. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 28, 2009, 08:03:56 PM
It doesn't say how long he was in Aruba.

 

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CBP Intercepts Subject of Outstanding Warrant Wanted for Aggravated Sexual Assault on Child
08/24/2009

Miami - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at Miami International airport intercepted a subject wanted in Houston, Texas for aggravated sexual assault on a child less than 14 years of age. The subject was returning to the United States on a flight from Aruba.  
Officers at our ports of entry are actively engaged in ensuring that everyone who enters the United States is thoroughly checked in order to determine if they are a fugitive from justice or wanted by a particular agency for an alleged violation. CBP officers use their expert knowledge and the numerous systems at their disposal to verify the warrant and positively identify the subject. If someone is determined to be a match the originating agency is contacted and arrangements are made to turn the subject over, usually with the assistance of local law enforcement partners.


Once it was determined that the subject Victor Helmen was a match to the warrant he was turned over to the Miami Dade Police Department for extradition to Texas. “On a daily basis U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at our ports intercept criminals who have eluded capture or those who have neglected to respond to charges that have been brought against them. We stand ever vigilant and work with our law enforcement partners to bring them to justice,” said Harold Woodward director of Field Operations in Miami.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 28, 2009, 09:24:34 PM
That is just too painful for me to contemplate and I am not even related to Natalee.

I guess I would prefer to think that she was killed in the first hour after she left Carlos and Charlie's
than imagine that she has been held prisoner and forced into sex slavery.


Maybe put up a fight and ended up in a cage....I still think Joran did something or gave her something....I believe the story he told Patrick...
I do too........... and I think Patrick is now paying the price by returning to Aruba where the "powers that be" can make him pay.

Patrick will be out soon.  They will not keep him.

I'm bumping my post forward from last night.  I told you they wouldn't hold him.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 28, 2009, 09:45:56 PM
what is the OM?  i assume it must be some type of prosecutor, but just wonder what it acutally stands for.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 09:59:41 PM
what is the OM?  i assume it must be some type of prosecutor, but just wonder what it acutally stands for.

I believe OM = Public Prosecutor


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 10:32:07 PM
Openbaar Ministerie = Public Prosecution


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 28, 2009, 11:20:37 PM
8/19/2009 Awe Mainta Page 22

http://awemainta.com/home/

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ARUBA, PLEASE!!

Every morning I take my dogs for their daily “walk around town”; we do the harbor area,
back via the shopping malls, maybe up to “Havana” and back home. I wonder, has anyone noticed the trash in town (forget for a second that there is trash all over the island)? I know we all like to talk about the hundreds of millions and gazillions of florins we are going to invest in our cruise terminal, roads, schools, five-star hotels, etc. Is it not smarter to first start by investing a couple of hundred florins in making the place look better for the tourists we so desperately need? Has anyone ever wondered what a tourist sees from their expensive balcony on one of these luxury cruise ships? This morning I decided to take my camera along and show you what these tourists actually see; what an embarrassment!  Before we come with more investment plans, can someone please get this mess cleaned up? A couple of weeks ago when this cruise ship came into port with some passengers with the Mexican Flue, I saw a bunch of people from the press standing at the fence waiting to take that “one special picture” (maybe of the virus?); they should have turned around and taken a picture of what these people see when they look through their lens!

Rene Kan


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 28, 2009, 11:49:03 PM
Evening monkeys.....it looks kinda quiet in here. 

Here's some illegal on-line gambling news:


Gary Kaplan Pleads Guilty in BetOnSports Case

By Dan Cypra for POKER NEWS DAILY | Posted on August 17, 2009

Gary Kaplan, the founder of BetOnSports, has pled guilty to violations of RICO and the Wire Act in a Missouri courtroom. He will face between 41 and 51 months behind bars and pay the United States Government $43.65 million.

According to a press release distributed by the U.S. Department of Justice, Kaplan established businesses in Costa Rica, Antigua, and Aruba. One company was BetOnSports, which advertised heavily to U.S. customers and offered the following technological prowess: “Kaplan’s toll-free telephone lines terminated in Houston or Miami and then were forwarded to Costa Rica by satellite transmitter or fiber-optic cable. Some of Kaplan’s Web servers were located in Miami and were remotely controlled from Costa Rica.”

The Department of Justice contends that in 2004, BetOnSports had 1,700 employees in Costa Rica alone and nearly one million registered customers. Its clientele issued more than 10 million bets that combined for over $1 billion. Also in 2004, BetOnSports held an initial public offering (IPO) on the London Stock Exchange that earned Kaplan $100 million. He was arrested in March of 2007 and sentencing will take place on October 27th. He has been held without bond ever since being detained by U.S. authorities.

Former BetOnSports CEO David Carruthers pled guilty to racketeering charges in April and now faces up to 33 months behind bars. Carruthers, who was detained in St. Louis, will learn his fate during a sentencing hearing on October 2nd. In June, Neil Scott Kaplan, Lori Kaplan-Multz, and Penelope Tucker all pled guilty for their roles with BetOnSports. None will receive jail time, although Tucker was issued a one year probation. Kaplan’s trial had been scheduled for September 21st before last week’s plea agreement was announced.

Interactive Media Entertainment and Gaming Association (iMEGA) Chairman Joe Brennan, who has been closely monitoring the actions in the BetOnSports case, told Poker News Daily, “It sounds like Kaplan’s plea agreement is complex. However, his risk against going to jail for a long time seems to have been minimized. There may also be some recognition that he’s already spent a significant amount of time behind bars.” Last August, William Hernan Lenis, Will Lenis, and Manny Lenis became the first BetOnSports staffers to admit guilt. The trio advertised the online sports betting outfit; one stunt involved bringing an RV to a St. Louis Rams game in 2002, enabling fans to place bets before entering the stadium.

In June, the Southern District of New York (SDNY) seized over $30 million in payments destined for more than 24,000 online poker players in the United States, marking one of the first times that the industry has been the target of federal law enforcement actions. Brennan explained, “Under the new administration, there has been no softening of the stance by the Justice Department towards internet gambling. When you look at what happened with Kaplan and what’s happening with the SDNY, it may be discouraging to those who thought that with the new administration, there would be less hostility towards internet gambling.”

On Friday, attorneys for Account Services will appear in the Southern District of California calling for the return of $14 million seized by the SDNY in June. Recently, Douglas Rennick, an individual associated with the company, was indicted on bank fraud, money laundering, and illegal gambling charges. He faces up to 55 years in jail and $1.75 million in fines. Brennan forecasted, “I’m sure that during the course of Friday’s hearing, there is going to be some discussion that the Department of Justice may prefer to see the criminal matter resolved before any civil action can move forward.” The Poker Players Alliance (PPA) has submitted an amicus brief in the case outlining that poker is a game of skill and therefore not illegal gambling.

FBI Special Agent John Gillies noted that Kaplan’s guilty plea was monumental: “Today’s guilty plea should have a lasting effect because Kaplan was not only the founder of BetOnSports, he was also one of the pioneers of illegal online gambling.”

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/gary-kaplan-pleads-guilty-in-betonsports-case-4253/



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Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 12:08:17 AM
Thanks Helen Back, very interesting!

Interview with Joe Brennan of IMEGA.

http://blip.tv/file/1170283/



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 29, 2009, 12:32:16 AM
Thanks, Texasmom. 

Sorry for the delayed response....had to take the dog out.  He was in a hurry! ::MonkeyHaHa::

Very interesting interview with Joe Brennan.  If 1700 people worked for him in Costa Rica, I wonder how many were in Aruba?




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Post by: Helen Back on August 29, 2009, 12:40:04 AM
Thanks, Suzie Q for the article on the apprehension of the predator/pedophile.

I think we should house all the sex offenders/pedophiles on an orbiting space station.

 ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyDevil::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 01:21:21 AM
8/24/2009 Awe Mainta Page 3

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08242009AweMaintaPg3.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

problem of hot zone owing to happen now for strip fast hotelnan asistencia for tiramento at hard rock café

strand-politie is bay day diadomingo madruga for 4.15, because; cu they owing to achieve informacion cu have one tiramento. n’e sitio police is achieve informacion cu two gang will owing to throw cu arm of candela on another. hour cu tiro owing to cuminsa cay the gangnan owing to bay for of the sitio. police owing to busca in becindario, but not owing to come across cu none of the two gangnan. informacion cu we hendenan owing to achieve n’e sitio is tell cu had one action where tiro owing to cay near of hard rock café. hour cu police owing to arrive n’e sitio not owing to achieve none action, but papiando cu some person n’e sitio owing to compronde cu during the action owing to hear one sonido duro y some present owing to tell cu will is deal here of one disparo of arm of candela, but not owing to see nothing. if esnan responsible not take accion for evita will worse near of the hotelnan, in view of tourist, cualkier acto lamentable, will is worse cu the news of desaparicion of natalee holloway. esta bad propaganda for we turism.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 03:38:09 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


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Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 29, 2009, 10:25:31 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
8/29/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08292009AweMaintaPg2.jpg)

Papiamentu translation:

after cu ministerio publico owing to prolonga his detencion yesterday tardi in form sorprendente, owing to let patrick van der eem in freedom

diahuebs ultimo, still ministerio publico, sosteni for huez comisario, owing to prolonga detencion of patrick van der eem, y this owing to last one day only, because yesterday tardi, ministerio publico owing to lagu’e in freedom. his reciente detencion at aruba, assure owing to achieve atencion not only at aruba, but also at merca y the netherlands, p’e mature of owing to know of haci one interview cu joran van der sloot, relaciona cu desaparicion of the student mericano natalee holloway.

now they owing to detene at aruba for menasa, y also p’e mature cu owing to hay’e cu cocaina in his bedroom of hotel.

his advocate owing to deny the insinuacion cu past owing to stay in several hotel y owing to let esakinan without pay.di acuerdo cu informacion recibi, yesterday ministerio publico owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, where the sospechoso will pay one boet y will being let in freedom. yesterday tardi, past owing to stay in freedom 5 or of nightfall. pagando the boet, the caso here is close also for husticia.


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Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 11:48:37 AM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


 ::MonkeyCool::


Good morning Monkeys!    ::MonkeyDance::


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Post by: Anna on August 29, 2009, 11:59:34 AM
GoodMorning, TxMom and All Monkeys. . . .



Just    ::MonkeyBike::   on my way to do errands.

Hope everyone has a very nice day!


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Post by: can on August 29, 2009, 12:02:53 PM
Good morning texas mom and all Monkeys.

Just got back from accompanying husband on his Sat. morning garage sale rounds.  He got some tools . . . like he needs them!! ::MonkeyWink::

So Eem case is closed.  Whatever happened to the harassment charges?

Think maybe Eem should leave the island sooner rather than later.   Wonder what the purpose of his visit was?




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 29, 2009, 12:04:26 PM
GoodMorning, TxMom and All Monkeys. . . .



Just    ::MonkeyBike::   on my way to do errands.

Hope everyone has a very nice day!

Thanks and you too Anna!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 12:10:37 PM
From RU   ::MonkeyRoll::

Quote
Black-Tulip  Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:29 am      

Comment on Steven Brown's blog

Vrienden op Aruba vertellen mij dat 'de bedreigde persoon' inderdaad Paul van der Sloot is

Friends on Aruba tell me that "the threatend person" is indeed Paul van de Sloot.      



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 6473



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 29, 2009, 12:13:43 PM
Big excitement on the beach!  Someone moved the stool. . . it was in front of the sign just the other day. . . so we know at least some soul have been there. . . likely hotel employees.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 12:28:04 PM
Big excitement on the beach!  Someone moved the stool. . . it was in front of the sign just the other day. . . so we know at least some soul have been there. . . likely hotel employees.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 29, 2009, 12:39:24 PM
From RU   ::MonkeyRoll::

Quote
Black-Tulip  Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:29 am      

Comment on Steven Brown's blog

Vrienden op Aruba vertellen mij dat 'de bedreigde persoon' inderdaad Paul van der Sloot is

Friends on Aruba tell me that "the threatend person" is indeed Paul van de Sloot.      



Joined: 23 Mar 2006
Posts: 6473


That's interesting . . .
I know of another threatened person, four plus years ago.  Natalee A. Holloway!!!

Where is her justice, Aruba?!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2009, 01:28:48 PM
Segment from 20/20 Feb 4, 2008

http://joranknowswhathappenedtonatalee.com


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 01:50:44 PM
Segment from 20/20 Feb 4, 2008

http://joranknowswhathappenedtonatalee.com

Magnolia,
I got a message that says that link is broken.  I tried it a couple times to make sure.


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Post by: chickie on August 29, 2009, 02:01:23 PM
no worky for me either.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 29, 2009, 02:01:58 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1  ???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Helen Back on August 29, 2009, 02:14:01 PM
Big excitement on the beach!  Someone moved the stool. . . it was in front of the sign just the other day. . . so we know at least some soul have been there. . . likely hotel employees.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::

Good day monkeys!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 29, 2009, 02:35:09 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1  ???

the 'daury' named by joran has been deemed another lie, no? 
daury rodriguez did not own a boat, right?
is the general consensus that is 'daury' mentioned may actually be lorenzo?

this daury thing is just one reason i still don't think this is the whole story. 
plus, this version of events suspiciously leaves out any involvement of paulus-- which i also think is BS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2009, 02:38:15 PM
Segment from 20/20 Feb 4, 2008

http://joranknowswhathappenedtonatalee.com

Magnolia,
I got a message that says that link is broken.  I tried it a couple times to make sure.

I will try again. ::MonkeyLaugh:: 
Ya'll know I am not good at this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znjRIga4_ec&feature=related


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on August 29, 2009, 04:14:31 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1  ???

the 'daury' named by joran has been deemed another lie, no? 
daury rodriguez did not own a boat, right?
is the general consensus that is 'daury' mentioned may actually be lorenzo?

this daury thing is just one reason i still don't think this is the whole story. 
plus, this version of events suspiciously leaves out any involvement of paulus-- which i also think is BS.

Daury = Paulus Van der Sloot


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 29, 2009, 05:10:39 PM
http://www.khou.com/news/local/stories/khou090828_jj_missing-people-unsolved-abductions.12651e3aa.html

Story with quotes from Tim Miller about missing persons


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Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 05:34:03 PM
Coolaruba/Gallery / 'Sanctum Events' Presents We Love New York @ Confession 22Aug /

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1075597&g2_page=1

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1076490&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=a764d17266a9faf1ca15cb3b00702f82)

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1075597&g2_page=5


(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1075905&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=a764d17266a9faf1ca15cb3b00702f82)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 06:13:18 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61711.php

MSI: "Balkenende has hand in closing Valero '

August 29, 2009, 14:35 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - During the weekly press conference of Social Movimiento Independiente (MSI) party leader pulled out to Field Duijn Edwin Valero oil company. According Duijn Field Valero trying to influence the election by going to temporarily close. "Simply because they do not want to pay their fair share to the community, but the community would suck."

The party leader is the political game around the refinery far beyond the island borders. "If you Dutch leader Jan Peter Balkenende to get your microphone, ask him what the situation is as it is Valero. If he says he knows nothing, then you should ask him to stop lying! "Said Duijn Field.

He sees the Dutch government parties CDA things in Aruba not run as they would like and they try to intervene, where what is the Aruban people decide. Valero Duijn Field accuses them of "certain politicians" have spoken on the island, whose party is backed by the largest party in the Dutch coalition government. "I can not say that all parties in the Dutch coalition government endorses this, and I have this information," said Field Duijn.

The party says on its own three interested parties have to found for acquisition of the refinery. One would be very much interested and even willing for the rehabilitation of the area to take on, something that all previous operators of the refinery was forced to safeguard.

The oil companies, which is a European, but the party could have asked for no names. According to candidate and party founder Danny van der Linde (MSI), they want to wait until after September 11, when the last contract Valero workers sent home. "In the meantime, many things happen and why do they not have the exposure," said Van der Linde.


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Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61710.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Government talks Monday with Petro China

August 29, 2009, 14:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has said that it is Monday at table with Petro China. He discusses it the proposal of the Chinese state oil company for the refinery in San Nicolas to buy.

Although Valero does not disclose a sale, the government has repeatedly stated that PetroChina has made a bid. The Chinese company is negotiating now with the government about the conditions. Oduber stressed again yesterday that no such contract with Coastal in 1998 (which later was acquired by Valero). "We do not allow the refinery filled with personnel from outside. Whether there are contractors or gangmasters who want to make money, but in the United States recover. Who wants to buy the refinery, should pay its fair share. "All that the Government will consider, said Oduber is a tax deduction for investment. "But it must be a large amount. And must be committed, "said the premier. What the new owner should invest in the government, he will not say. "There is at least 300 million U.S. dollars needed to produce diesel to high quality." This high quality is necessary because many countries in the area of quality diesel products have increased.

Oduber is that Valero failed to invest. Initially, this willingness is there. The Texan oil company would invest one billion, but that changed. The prime minister again denied that it has anything to do with the conflict about the sales tax bbo. He refers to the discount they received from Venezuela and Mexico to heavy sour crude, the oil that Valero processed into products. This discount could they turn big profits, said Oduber, but that changed when Venezuela and Mexico abolished the discount. "Since then they very quickly losses. The directors and shareholders in America when it decided to sell the refinery to process faster. As Nel Oduber I have no influence on the shareholders and the government, unlike others who claim that I have the refinery closed. They simply want to see cash. "

The prime minister said Monday that the ruling in the arbitration case to expect Valero on bbo conflict had brought.


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Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 06:20:42 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61709.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Tribute to Amigoe photographer Djiespie

August 29, 2009, 14:32 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/29-aruba-foto-expo-met-dsij.gif)

Djiespie cuts the ribbon of the exhibition was opened yesterday by photographers. Right promoter Leo Vrolijk.

ORANGE CITY - More than forty years worked Marcolino "Djiespie" Franken Amigoe di Aruba. Yesterday he was a photo exhibition on photographers honored during the festive opening of the exhibition in the main building of RBTT.

Initiator of the exhibition is photographer Leo Vrolijk. He turns himself even 33 years into the box and with the exhibition he wants journalism and especially the photographers back revitalization. "There are many newcomers who we can train," Vrolijk said that the exhibition is also the Aruban journalists to get back together. "Like Jos van der Schoot (Amigoe former director, red) did. But at one point there was nothing done for years. "

Last year he opened the first edition of the photo exhibition entitled E di mi wowonan lens (the lens of my eyes). That was the first press exhibition in almost twenty years. And with success. This year is the professional level and have the pictures of editors, media photographers, cameramen and others from the print journalism better.

The exhibition is until October 16 to see in the RBTT building.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 06:25:20 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61707.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Second night Snapp sharp, but good atmosphere

August 29, 2009, 14:31 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - On the second night of the San Nicolas Political Awareness Project (Snapp), delegations of political parties significantly depleted. Only MPAs group had two rows deep. There was something less public presence than before.

Both organizer and moderator Antoni Gario Clyde Burke took the time to express their disappointment. "We do this for us, but also for those who come after us. It is therefore unfortunate that I see so many empty seats, "said Burke. In reality that was so bad, only it was fairly quiet around the box of Snapp. But the atmosphere was very good. Cornelis Wilson (MSI) joked that the evening was over Lorna Varlack (AVP) would switch to his party. But the most hilarious moment came just before the break. Moderator Clyde Burke asked the audience whether the owner of a car with a certain badge could park it somewhere else as he blocked an exit. Nobody responded. Only when he indicated that it was a white Tercel went with the joke that people often do not know their initials, was MPA candidate Ben van Kleef at his place and he walked out to loud laughter and jeers of the audience. But there were also plenty of serious moments during this evening. The focus of the evening was on the themes of health and economy. The parties held on to their programs. RED came with the plan for disabled to catch in the old hospital from the refinery on Sero Colebra. Booshi Wever (MEP) wondered how all that would be paid. Benny Nisbet (PPA) reminded the public that it, alongside the old people that the station will Pilisiaweg, the relocation of the port Barcadera original ideas were of his party.

Valero
The main contract in which a number of programs relating to the Sunrise City is the small middle class and business should be encouraged. Small businesses should be capital intensive and the purchase of homes and land in vulnerable areas should be made attractive. Valero main issue was also touched. Chris Romero (MEP) reminded the public that the government is doing its utmost to rescue the situation. "The contract with Valero is also indicated that in the event that a buyer is the government itself for the refinery may buy back a certain amount." Cornelis Wilson (MSI) came with the news that earlier that day by his party colleague Michael Williams had had, that his party had found three candidates for acquisition of the refinery. Then the key question "why do politicians only during election time with big plans for San Nicolas?". All party representatives held themselves, striking enough, on the plain about. Besides PPA leader Benny Nisbet. He pointed to a little bit of Michael Jackson that he had lent his campaign jingle. And which states: "They do not care about us."


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: chickie on August 29, 2009, 06:25:56 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/2020/story?id=4236425&page=1  ???

the 'daury' named by joran has been deemed another lie, no? 
daury rodriguez did not own a boat, right?
is the general consensus that is 'daury' mentioned may actually be lorenzo?

this daury thing is just one reason i still don't think this is the whole story. 
plus, this version of events suspiciously leaves out any involvement of paulus-- which i also think is BS.

Daury = Paulus Van der Sloot

oh, well that makes more sense then.  thank you!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 06:47:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61712.php

Google translation

New Director WEB proposed

August 29, 2009, 14:35 (GMT -04:00)


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The new Director of WEB, Oslin Boekhoudt, in a private chat with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP).

ORANGE CITY - The new Director of Water and Electric utility (WEB) by September 1, Oslin Boekhoudt, was yesterday officially presented at a festive reception in Surf Side Marine. In the presence of various personalities, including Prime Minister Nelson Oduber as Minister of General Affairs is responsible for Utilities, the state company which falls WEB.

The new director was still careful in his statements about what they want with the company. "We're going the direction to which the board and instruct my managers to me". He is referring to the Director of Utilities, the Supervisory Board and premier Oduber. Boekhoudt, many years in the oil and gas industry has worked - including for at Valero refinery - said to be ready. "The heavy industry is the human aspect of the very important work. You have many people to make. So now with 300 to 400, depending on the contractors. Your skills in dealing with people going to so very good. "

About Alternative Energy Boekhoudt says: "It's not that I, Book Does that go introduce. WEB has a strategic plan and it was already a part. As the windmill project is now realized. There are more. But first what looked to be economically feasible. So do not just install to install. It should also reduce costs. "

The future is now Valero has closed the doors - WEB depends on the refinery in San Nicolas for the oil to water and electricity to produce - is the new director is not worried now. "In the short term they are contractually linked to the oil to continue to aanleven WEB. In the long term it is possible that there is some drastic decisions to make. We now look no further than 1, 2 or 3 years. "

Gas

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber yesterday was very clear about the future of WEB. First, the plant will run on gas. "If it were up to me, all that happened yesterday." Last year it all seemed a done deal with the supply of liquefied gas from Colombia, but Oduber is something different. "Colombia has unfortunately obligations to Venezuela in 2011." It does not appear that Aruba quickly gas is provided. Although the Prime Minister says it has received an invitation to have to talk about a deal. "But it's hard for me to go this time." The government wants to reduce dependence on oil in the production of electricity and water and thus gave earlier indicated a gas clean and cheap alternative to be found. In this way she hopes to keep production costs under control and so are the prices. "Because the cost to come down, to relieve the people," he stressed the Prime Minister yesterday.

The second plan for the company's merger with the energy distributor Elmar. Oduber reiterated again that it is unfair that the people now pay for "duplicate" or similar work done by both utilities. "But this is a slow, transparent and accountable process. Logically taking into account the workers, "said the premier.



Gratification

Present was the outgoing director Jossy Lacle after 19 years the company Balashi leaves. He look with great satisfaction on his time with WEB, so he know yesterday. "Most important is the autonomy of WEB been a public service to an NV. When I took office, the company was in poor condition. That we all have, employees and contractors, turned into a company that produces high quality water and a stable electricity output. "Lacle said that the process is not always easy and went much time to process the next business day. "But it is a success. I am going away with a great satisfaction. "

The new director is under Lacle the great task to see if the business more efficient with a barrel of oil can handle. "We all remember the crisis last year when a barrel of oil cost almost $ 150. Besides efficient production, should also consider whether the barrel can be replaced by something else. "WEB has been working with alternatives, witness the windmill project at Father Peter. Lacle Aruba expects two to three years even more significant changes in this area will experience. The outgoing director is officially October 15 from service, he is 60 years. "I have no plans. First rest and then I watch what I want going to do. "Lacle the month of September is used to Hold Book, which he describes as very capable in working.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 29, 2009, 08:32:59 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 29, 2009, 09:58:28 PM
I remember reading this article when it came out. Had to go find it. Should we send it to Oduber?

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/valero-has-invested-almost-360-million-in-aruba-refinery/

nvested Almost $360 Million In Aruba Refinery
 Business     May 17th, 2006
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Result is a safer, more environmentally friendly, reliable and competitive operation

Since acquiring the Aruba refinery in March 2004, Valero Energy Corporation has invested nearly $360 million (640.8 million Afl.) to improve the safety, reliability, environmental performance and profitability of the plant. Most recently, the refinery commissioned a new 450-ton-per-day Sulfur Recovery Unit that has reduced SO2 emissions by nearly 90 percent, and revamped and restarted an idled Visbreaker Unit that has improved the refinery’s upgrading capacity and enabled it to process more refined products.

“We are very excited about the tremendous improvements that we’ve made to the refinery in just two years,” said Ray Buckley, vice president and general manager of the Valero Aruba Refinery.

“We have invested a significant amount of time and money to make the refinery safer and more environmentally friendly, reliable and competitive. What’s more, we have established a skills training program for local workers, offered scholarships for students, formed a Volunteer Council, created the Aruba Way campaign, and donated a significant amount of money to charities in the community.”

Investing to Improve the Refinery’s Operations

When Valero acquired the Aruba refinery, the company made much-needed reliability improvements to the two existing Sulfur Recovery Units, which resulted in a 40 percent reduction of the refinery’s SO2 emissions. To further improve environmental performance, the company recently invested $15.7 million (27.9 million Afl.) to construct

the new Sulfur Recovery Unit, reducing the SO2 emissions by a total of 90 percent. These units recover sulfur from the various refining processes – rather than allowing it to be released into the atmosphere.

Also to make the refinery more environmentally friendly, Valero improved storage tank maintenance, wastewater handling and coke handling; removed idle equipment; conducted soil remediation; and removed asbestos. The company is also evaluating plans to enclose the coke handling facility, which will eliminate the coke dust, and install coke-fired boilers, which will eliminate the smoke caused by burning pitch.

The Visbreaker Unit, which was shut down well before Valero acquired the refinery, was in need of revamping because of operational and safety issues. Valero was able to solve these issues by re-engineering the Visbreaker, making it more reliable and safe. This newly redesigned Visbreaker, which cost $55 million (97.9 million Afl.), allows the refinery to process an additional 30,000 barrels per day (BPD) of refined products.

Also this year, Valero is spending $45 million (80.1 million Afl.) to expand two Coker Units and another $50 million (89 million Afl.) to increase the refinery’s throughput capacity. New state-of-the-art coke drum de-heading devices, which are valves to control the opening and closing of the coke drums, are improving the safety and efficiency of these units. One of the cokers was retrofitted earlier this year and the other is scheduled to be upgraded this summer.

Improving Safety & Reliability

Since acquiring the refinery, Valero has significantly enhanced the plant’s reliability, which has in turn improved the plant’s safety and production levels. The refinery’s utilization rate was 74 percent at the end of 2005, nearly 20 percentage points higher than the 55 percent rate before the acquisition. Similarly, mechanical availability was 92 percent last year, versus 78 percent pre-acquisition.

In terms of safety, Valero has implemented best practices from the company’s other refineries, instituted new programs and policies, created a 24-hour emergency fire brigade, upgraded equipment and much more. The employee Total Recordable Incident Rate (TRIR), which is the industrywide measure of safety performance, was 1.1 last year – 280 percent better than 2003 (pre-acquisition) when it was 3.1.

Providing Skills Training to Local Workers

To develop the skills of local workers, Valero invested $1.1 million (1.95 million Afl.) to develop a two-year technical entry program, called “Let’s Grow Together” or “Ban Crece Hunto.” This program provides training and experience to prepare workers for a career in the refining industry. Valero gave approximately 100 Arubans the opportunity to work in the refinery and gain on-the-job experience during the recent turnaround (maintenance activity), and now those individuals are in a training program to learn one of five technical trades.

Also to provide opportunities for young people, Valero formed a scholarship program to provide 10 scholarships a year valued at $10,000 (17,800 Afl.) each to deserving students who wish to continue their education after high school. Not only are the children of Valero employees considered for these scholarships, but now all qualifying students on the island can apply for this educational assistance.

“These programs provide a tremendous benefit to the island,” Buckley said. “We are giving many Arubans the opportunity to further their education, secure good jobs and forge a brighter future. What’s more, we are improving the education level of the overall workforce in Aruba and we believe that is important to the economic development of the island.”

Donating Time & Money to the Community

To improve the community, Valero donated land for the development of a much-needed bus station in San Nicolas, and committed to invest $1 million (1.78 million Afl.) in improvements to the site.

Corporate contributions of approximately $500,000 (890,000 Afl.) are also made to worthy non-profit groups throughout the community each year. Most recently, Valero purchased a much-needed boat for the maritime police to help protect the coastline, and funded state-of-the-art radiology equipment for Centro Medico.

In 2005, the company and its employees contributed $337,401 (600,573 Afl.) to charity through the Aruba Way campaign, a unique fundraising effort that the company modeled after the United Way campaigns in the U.S. An additional $175,000 (311,500 Afl.) was donated to children’s charities through proceeds raised during the Valero Texas Open Benefit for Children Golf Classic.

In addition to all of these contributions, the Valero Volunteers worked more than 3,500 community service hours last year. The Valero Volunteer Council helped with various projects, such as helping with the restoration of the historic Alto Vista Chapel and renovating Centro di Barrio Lago Heights.

“Valero has invested heavily in our employees, refinery and community since acquiring the plant. Not only has this commitment made us a better refinery, it has made Aruba a better place to live, work and visit,” Buckley said.

 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 29, 2009, 11:32:47 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_50.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 30, 2009, 12:56:06 AM
G'night, TM......I'll get the lights. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Sharon/Tx on August 30, 2009, 06:06:29 AM


I will try again. ::MonkeyLaugh:: 
Ya'll know I am not good at this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znjRIga4_ec&feature=related
[/quote]  My hands literally shake when I watch "him."  They mention that Beth Twitty finds peace in knowing where Natalee is.  As a mother, the unknown would be devastating.  After listening to Joran Vandersloot's smirky mouth, the "known" is also devastating.  Peace to me will be seeing this little punk pay for what he did to Natalee and her family. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2009, 09:29:10 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2009, 10:24:17 AM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/08/30/westin-resort-in-aruba-offers-300-for-babymoons-300-conception-credit-what-would-they-offer-if-you-lost-a-child-like-natalee-holloway-while-on-vacation/

Westin Resort in Aruba offers $300 for Babymoons … $300 “conception credit” … What Would They Offer if You lost a Child Like Natalee Holloway While on Vacation


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 30, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/08/30/westin-resort-in-aruba-offers-300-for-babymoons-300-conception-credit-what-would-they-offer-if-you-lost-a-child-like-natalee-holloway-while-on-vacation/

Westin Resort in Aruba offers $300 for Babymoons … $300 “conception credit” … What Would They Offer if You lost a Child Like Natalee Holloway While on Vacation


I saw this on Fox this morning.  I was just waiting for someone to bring up Natalee and they never did.  No point in asking Greta to investigate the cage as she made the statement the other day on her blog that she believe Natalee was still alive.  She was talking about this girl found after 19 years and she made that statement.  I cannot find it on her blog or I would put the link.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 30, 2009, 12:25:24 PM
NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2009/08/30/westin-resort-in-aruba-offers-300-for-babymoons-300-conception-credit-what-would-they-offer-if-you-lost-a-child-like-natalee-holloway-while-on-vacation/

Westin Resort in Aruba offers $300 for Babymoons … $300 “conception credit” … What Would They Offer if You lost a Child Like Natalee Holloway While on Vacation


I saw this on Fox this morning.  I was just waiting for someone to bring up Natalee and they never did.  No point in asking Greta to investigate the cage as she made the statement the other day on her blog that she believe Natalee was still alive.  She was talking about this girl found after 19 years and she made that statement.  I cannot find it on her blog or I would put the link.

Sorry, here is the link to that story that Greta made the statement about Natalee:

http://gretawire.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/08/28/how-could-this-possibly-happen/


August 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
How could this possibly happen?!!???

Do you wonder how this can happen?  (see below) How could this possibly happen?  No one was suspicious in all 18 years??? And what kind of animal does this to a child? By the way, I know I am one of the few (maybe the only) who thinks there is a possibility -- very, very, very slim -- that Natalee Holloway is still alive.  Remember, there is NO evidence she is dead other than that she has ... read more


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2009, 12:48:46 PM
Thanks, Blue Moon.  I started to look for the link but this computer is NOT cooperating right now....glad you found it.

Sometimes I just wonder about Greta....    ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: can on August 30, 2009, 01:19:49 PM
Strange that Greta put it in as a BTW.  I wish she would have said there is no evidence that Natalee is dead - except the last three people she was seen with lied their tails off, changed their stories countless times and one gave a statement that she did not appear to be breathing and he went and called someone who took her off in a boat and he didn't lose a nights sleep over it.  All supported by a video which Natalee's Mom felt, (when she watched and heard the video) supported her belief that the prior suspects were the right ones.
Why didn't Greta say that!?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
Texasmom,

I want to thank you for your daily posting of news articles and videos.   ::MonkeyKiss::   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 30, 2009, 01:28:14 PM
Texasmom,

I want to thank you for your daily posting of news articles and videos.   ::MonkeyKiss::   
Ditto!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2009, 02:11:30 PM
Texasmom,

I want to thank you for your daily posting of news articles and videos.   ::MonkeyKiss::   

You're welcome 2NJ and hotping!  Thanks for all you do too!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyHeart::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2009, 02:31:33 PM
Thanks, Blue Moon.  I started to look for the link but this computer is NOT cooperating right now....glad you found it.

Sometimes I just wonder about Greta....    ::MonkeyRoll::

Me too, it would be different if she didn't witness and report on as much as she did from the beginning in 2005.  Has she forgotten?  Or is she still somehow inclined to believe whatever Joran chooses to tell her?  ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on August 30, 2009, 04:57:31 PM
Good Afternoon  BoxerDawg and 2 Guests!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2009, 07:37:29 PM
DON'T MISS DANA PRETZER TONIGHT!

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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on August 30, 2009, 08:14:52 PM
Thanks, Blue Moon.  I started to look for the link but this computer is NOT cooperating right now....glad you found it.

Sometimes I just wonder about Greta....    ::MonkeyRoll::

IMO Greta is acting like a DingBat.
Somewhere along the way, she got sucked in by Joran and his lies and has not been the same since. I tend to believe it was after that interview she did with him where she made the infamous statement,"I tend to beleive him"


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 30, 2009, 09:06:13 PM
Do we know what Serge Mansur is running for, or are they like England and I guess the Netherlands, and just fill a party seat? Is Serge the Mansur that went to the military acadamy with Jug?

http://www.sergemansur.com/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 30, 2009, 09:12:47 PM
Thanks, Blue Moon.  I started to look for the link but this computer is NOT cooperating right now....glad you found it.

Sometimes I just wonder about Greta....    ::MonkeyRoll::

IMO Greta is acting like a DingBat.
Somewhere along the way, she got sucked in by Joran and his lies and has not been the same since. I tend to believe it was after that interview she did with him where she made the infamous statement,"I tend to beleive him"

Hi, artcolley....great to see you.  I think Greta with her legal background as trying to seem like a super sleuth....she pegged Boeti, tended to believe Joran, sat with Beth with Joran's 'parents'....sweaty man running to answer the phone.  She made another trip with Beth to a police station that was empty....then, later scooped Joran & a taped phone conversation that reportedly wasn't his dad. (naming those that come to mind)  I am convinced it's all for ratings....that's jmho.  I haven't watched her show in so long I cannot tell you.  I don't know how Beth feels, but I'm not favoring Greta at this time. 

Hope all is good in your world.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Artcolley on August 30, 2009, 10:54:13 PM
Thanks, Blue Moon.  I started to look for the link but this computer is NOT cooperating right now....glad you found it.

Sometimes I just wonder about Greta....    ::MonkeyRoll::

IMO Greta is acting like a DingBat.
Somewhere along the way, she got sucked in by Joran and his lies and has not been the same since. I tend to believe it was after that interview she did with him where she made the infamous statement,"I tend to beleive him"

Hi, artcolley....great to see you.  I think Greta with her legal background as trying to seem like a super sleuth....she pegged Boeti, tended to believe Joran, sat with Beth with Joran's 'parents'....sweaty man running to answer the phone.  She made another trip with Beth to a police station that was empty....then, later scooped Joran & a taped phone conversation that reportedly wasn't his dad. (naming those that come to mind)  I am convinced it's all for ratings....that's jmho.  I haven't watched her show in so long I cannot tell you.  I don't know how Beth feels, but I'm not favoring Greta at this time. 

Hope all is good in your world.

Great to see you too!
All well here, how are things with you?

Greta has "fallen out of favor" with me also, and I do not watch her much anymore either.
And, yes, it became quite obvious, it was all for the ratings.
I wonder how her ratings are these days? I should try and find that out  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 30, 2009, 11:50:52 PM
Well, I see nothing happened while I was gone (except Patrick was released and ntball Greta thinks Natalee is still alive again!  ::MonkeyConfused::)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 30, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
Well, I see nothing happened while I was gone (except Patrick was released and ntball Greta thinks Natalee is still alive again!  ::MonkeyConfused::)

Yep, that's about it wreck.  Hope you had a good trip!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 30, 2009, 11:58:59 PM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 30, 2009, 11:59:59 PM
Well, I see nothing happened while I was gone (except Patrick was released and ntball Greta thinks Natalee is still alive again!  ::MonkeyConfused::)

Hope that you had a great trip Wreck.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 31, 2009, 12:01:01 AM
Well, I see nothing happened while I was gone (except Patrick was released and ntball Greta thinks Natalee is still alive again!  ::MonkeyConfused::)

Yep, that's about it wreck.  Hope you had a good trip!   ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom, I just want to thank you for bringing us all of the updates. Great job!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on August 31, 2009, 12:03:57 AM
Thanks! Great weekend and wedding with family and friends! Colorado is a place I could easily get used to!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:05:55 AM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   

Me too cajun miracle...it's been mighty quiet around here! 

I hope you have a great week too!

I hate them all more every day!   ::MonkeyMad::

Especially after I did a little reading over at RU over the weekend.  Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  The lies that some tell over and over and over....disgusting.






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 31, 2009, 12:07:16 AM
Thanks! Great weekend and wedding with family and friends! Colorado is a place I could easily get used to!  ::MonkeyCool::

Wreck, it is very beautiful but takes sooo long to get around a mountain. I'd much prefer flat land. LOL!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:07:43 AM
Well, I see nothing happened while I was gone (except Patrick was released and ntball Greta thinks Natalee is still alive again!  ::MonkeyConfused::)

Yep, that's about it wreck.  Hope you had a good trip!   ::MonkeyCool::

TexasMom, I just want to thank you for bringing us all of the updates. Great job!

You're welcome cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:08:50 AM
Thanks! Great weekend and wedding with family and friends! Colorado is a place I could easily get used to!  ::MonkeyCool::

I bet it's beautiful, but I don't like heights; so the mountains seem skeeerry to me!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 31, 2009, 12:09:25 AM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   

Me too cajun miracle...it's been mighty quiet around here! 

I hope you have a great week too!

I hate them all more every day!   ::MonkeyMad::

Especially after I did a little reading over at RU over the weekend.  Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  The lies that some tell over and over and over....disgusting.






I've been lucky and never tempted to check those other sites. I just stay with the loyal Monkeys!!     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:13:46 AM
I was looking a pics at the Tattoo's facebook page and some of them led to Olivia Zeolla's page, lots of pics of Val there.

This one was shocking to me, considering the girls ages.   ::MonkeyNoNo::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:15:49 AM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   

Me too cajun miracle...it's been mighty quiet around here! 

I hope you have a great week too!

I hate them all more every day!   ::MonkeyMad::

Especially after I did a little reading over at RU over the weekend.  Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  The lies that some tell over and over and over....disgusting.


I've been lucky and never tempted to check those other sites. I just stay with the loyal Monkeys!!     ::MonkeyWink::

That's your best bet, cajun miracle!  I need to do the same, I get too mad every time I read over there!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 31, 2009, 12:17:58 AM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   

Me too cajun miracle...it's been mighty quiet around here! 

I hope you have a great week too!

I hate them all more every day!   ::MonkeyMad::

Especially after I did a little reading over at RU over the weekend.  Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  The lies that some tell over and over and over....disgusting.


I've been lucky and never tempted to check those other sites. I just stay with the loyal Monkeys!!     ::MonkeyWink::

That's your best bet, cajun miracle!  I need to do the same, I get too mad every time I read over there!



It really sounds cruel.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:22:26 AM
Sure miss the wild nightcrew. Have a great week monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!    ::MonkeyDance::

I STILL HATE THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!   

Me too cajun miracle...it's been mighty quiet around here! 

I hope you have a great week too!

I hate them all more every day!   ::MonkeyMad::

Especially after I did a little reading over at RU over the weekend.  Sickening.   ::MonkeyNoNo::  The lies that some tell over and over and over....disgusting.


I've been lucky and never tempted to check those other sites. I just stay with the loyal Monkeys!!     ::MonkeyWink::

That's your best bet, cajun miracle!  I need to do the same, I get too mad every time I read over there!



It really sounds cruel.

It is...that's a kind word for it.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:28:32 AM



I'm calling it a night!  I hope everyone has a great week!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 12:29:02 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 31, 2009, 12:30:54 AM



I'm calling it a night!  I hope everyone has a great week!





GoodNight Tm. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on August 31, 2009, 12:31:12 AM
Nite all!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on August 31, 2009, 12:35:07 AM
Nite all!!!!!!!!!

Goodnight Cajun Miracle! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 08:30:47 AM
The judge was too busy yesterday to hear Patrick's case, so the OM gave him 8 more days (? ? ? ?)

The judge heard the case today and decided there was not enough evidence to hold Patrick any longer.
The OM had already stated that the amount of cocaine found was not enough to charge him.

The judge levied a fine and let him go.  Patrick did have a lawyer.  I don't know who.

Esther (I think) Schwengle.

Partner of Chris LeJuez.  ::MonkeyWink::

Chris LeJuez is who started out representing both security guards..............and I believe is a brother to Helen LeJuez.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 08:35:45 AM
I'm just cathing up so this may have already been addressed.

I'm curious if this man is a US citizen?

The reason I'm asking................

The pond witness hoaxter was brought to TEXAS to take his polygraph last August.

Remember Jossy telling us his name?  I think we've deduced that phoenetically it was "Heerman" or "Heelman"

Which of course we have thought to possibly be "Geerman" with a soft G.

Could also have been "Helman"

It doesn't say how long he was in Aruba.

 

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CBP Intercepts Subject of Outstanding Warrant Wanted for Aggravated Sexual Assault on Child
08/24/2009

Miami - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at Miami International airport intercepted a subject wanted in Houston, Texas for aggravated sexual assault on a child less than 14 years of age. The subject was returning to the United States on a flight from Aruba.  
Officers at our ports of entry are actively engaged in ensuring that everyone who enters the United States is thoroughly checked in order to determine if they are a fugitive from justice or wanted by a particular agency for an alleged violation. CBP officers use their expert knowledge and the numerous systems at their disposal to verify the warrant and positively identify the subject. If someone is determined to be a match the originating agency is contacted and arrangements are made to turn the subject over, usually with the assistance of local law enforcement partners.


Once it was determined that the subject Victor Helmen   was a match to the warrant he was turned over to the Miami Dade Police Department for extradition to Texas. “On a daily basis U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at our ports intercept criminals who have eluded capture or those who have neglected to respond to charges that have been brought against them. We stand ever vigilant and work with our law enforcement partners to bring them to justice,” said Harold Woodward director of Field Operations in Miami.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.



 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 08:42:49 AM
Do we know what Serge Mansur is running for, or are they like England and I guess the Netherlands, and just fill a party seat? Is Serge the Mansur that went to the military acadamy with Jug?

http://www.sergemansur.com/

Natalee Holloway: Some Case Trivia
Individuals following the Natalee Holloway case should not read anything sinister into this. It's just a bit of trivia involving the strange coincidence of how some alums of a now-closed Lebanon, Tenn. Military Academy have come together in one of the nation's more riveting disappearance stories - that of recent and still missing Alabama graduate, Natalee Holloway.

Graduates of the school, several years apart, include, among others:

Serge Mansur
Aruba
Description: Graduated Univ. of Miami Married since 1992 - no kids yet General Manager of Cigarette Factory.

Luis M. Mansur
Oranjestad, ARUBA
Description: Living in Aruba. Maried for 14 years. 4 kids, oldest is a boy 12 and triplets 3years old, one boy two girls. I am currently working as the astnt. director at the islands largest newspaper (DIARIO),also own a construction company.

and

JUG TWITTY
MTN. BROOK AL
Description: GENERAL MGR. OF PHOENIX METALS BIRMINGHAM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/just_some_case_.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 09:40:37 AM
8/29/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

http://awemainta.com/home/

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Papiamentu translation:

after cu ministerio publico owing to prolonga his detencion yesterday tardi in form sorprendente, owing to let patrick van der eem in freedom

diahuebs ultimo, still ministerio publico, sosteni for huez comisario, owing to prolonga detencion of patrick van der eem, y this owing to last one day only, because yesterday tardi, ministerio publico owing to lagu’e in freedom. his reciente detencion at aruba, assure owing to achieve atencion not only at aruba, but also at merca y the netherlands, p’e mature of owing to know of haci one interview cu joran van der sloot, relaciona cu desaparicion of the student mericano natalee holloway.

now they owing to detene at aruba for menasa, y also p’e mature cu owing to hay’e cu cocaina in his bedroom of hotel.

his advocate owing to deny the insinuacion cu past owing to stay in several hotel y owing to let esakinan without pay.di acuerdo cu informacion recibi, yesterday ministerio publico owing to arrive at one acuerdo cu his advocate, where the sospechoso will pay one boet y will being let in freedom. yesterday tardi, past owing to stay in freedom 5 or of nightfall. pagando the boet, the caso here is close also for husticia.

I'm kinda lost with all of this.

Did the OM decide NOT to file official charges, and they let him out, because he agreed to pay a fine instead?

Isn't that just the type of "deal" or "plea deal" that Arlene screeched at us on the TV was not possible in Aruban/Dutch/Aruban Law?

That the only thing of that type they had in place was something called "Crown Witness" - and that was only utilized in Conspiracy cases?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 09:58:08 AM
I remember reading this article when it came out. Had to go find it. Should we send it to Oduber?

http://www.aruba.com/news/business/valero-has-invested-almost-360-million-in-aruba-refinery/

nvested Almost $360 Million In Aruba Refinery
 Business     May 17th, 2006
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Result is a safer, more environmentally friendly, reliable and competitive operation

Since acquiring the Aruba refinery in March 2004, Valero Energy Corporation has invested nearly $360 million (640.8 million Afl.) to improve the safety, reliability, environmental performance and profitability of the plant. Most recently, the refinery commissioned a new 450-ton-per-day Sulfur Recovery Unit that has reduced SO2 emissions by nearly 90 percent, and revamped and restarted an idled Visbreaker Unit that has improved the refinery’s upgrading capacity and enabled it to process more refined products.

“We are very excited about the tremendous improvements that we’ve made to the refinery in just two years,” said Ray Buckley, vice president and general manager of the Valero Aruba Refinery.

“We have invested a significant amount of time and money to make the refinery safer and more environmentally friendly, reliable and competitive. What’s more, we have established a skills training program for local workers, offered scholarships for students, formed a Volunteer Council, created the Aruba Way campaign, and donated a significant amount of money to charities in the community.”

Investing to Improve the Refinery’s Operations

When Valero acquired the Aruba refinery, the company made much-needed reliability improvements to the two existing Sulfur Recovery Units, which resulted in a 40 percent reduction of the refinery’s SO2 emissions. To further improve environmental performance, the company recently invested $15.7 million (27.9 million Afl.) to construct

the new Sulfur Recovery Unit, reducing the SO2 emissions by a total of 90 percent. These units recover sulfur from the various refining processes – rather than allowing it to be released into the atmosphere.

Also to make the refinery more environmentally friendly, Valero improved storage tank maintenance, wastewater handling and coke handling; removed idle equipment; conducted soil remediation; and removed asbestos. The company is also evaluating plans to enclose the coke handling facility, which will eliminate the coke dust, and install coke-fired boilers, which will eliminate the smoke caused by burning pitch.

The Visbreaker Unit, which was shut down well before Valero acquired the refinery, was in need of revamping because of operational and safety issues. Valero was able to solve these issues by re-engineering the Visbreaker, making it more reliable and safe. This newly redesigned Visbreaker, which cost $55 million (97.9 million Afl.), allows the refinery to process an additional 30,000 barrels per day (BPD) of refined products.

Also this year, Valero is spending $45 million (80.1 million Afl.) to expand two Coker Units and another $50 million (89 million Afl.) to increase the refinery’s throughput capacity. New state-of-the-art coke drum de-heading devices, which are valves to control the opening and closing of the coke drums, are improving the safety and efficiency of these units. One of the cokers was retrofitted earlier this year and the other is scheduled to be upgraded this summer.

Improving Safety & Reliability

Since acquiring the refinery, Valero has significantly enhanced the plant’s reliability, which has in turn improved the plant’s safety and production levels. The refinery’s utilization rate was 74 percent at the end of 2005, nearly 20 percentage points higher than the 55 percent rate before the acquisition. Similarly, mechanical availability was 92 percent last year, versus 78 percent pre-acquisition.

In terms of safety, Valero has implemented best practices from the company’s other refineries, instituted new programs and policies, created a 24-hour emergency fire brigade, upgraded equipment and much more. The employee Total Recordable Incident Rate (TRIR), which is the industrywide measure of safety performance, was 1.1 last year – 280 percent better than 2003 (pre-acquisition) when it was 3.1.

Providing Skills Training to Local Workers

To develop the skills of local workers, Valero invested $1.1 million (1.95 million Afl.) to develop a two-year technical entry program, called “Let’s Grow Together” or “Ban Crece Hunto.” This program provides training and experience to prepare workers for a career in the refining industry. Valero gave approximately 100 Arubans the opportunity to work in the refinery and gain on-the-job experience during the recent turnaround (maintenance activity), and now those individuals are in a training program to learn one of five technical trades.

Also to provide opportunities for young people, Valero formed a scholarship program to provide 10 scholarships a year valued at $10,000 (17,800 Afl.) each to deserving students who wish to continue their education after high school. Not only are the children of Valero employees considered for these scholarships, but now all qualifying students on the island can apply for this educational assistance.

“These programs provide a tremendous benefit to the island,” Buckley said. “We are giving many Arubans the opportunity to further their education, secure good jobs and forge a brighter future. What’s more, we are improving the education level of the overall workforce in Aruba and we believe that is important to the economic development of the island.”

Donating Time & Money to the Community

To improve the community, Valero donated land for the development of a much-needed bus station in San Nicolas, and committed to invest $1 million (1.78 million Afl.) in improvements to the site.

Corporate contributions of approximately $500,000 (890,000 Afl.) are also made to worthy non-profit groups throughout the community each year. Most recently, Valero purchased a much-needed boat for the maritime police to help protect the coastline, and funded state-of-the-art radiology equipment for Centro Medico.

In 2005, the company and its employees contributed $337,401 (600,573 Afl.) to charity through the Aruba Way campaign, a unique fundraising effort that the company modeled after the United Way campaigns in the U.S. An additional $175,000 (311,500 Afl.) was donated to children’s charities through proceeds raised during the Valero Texas Open Benefit for Children Golf Classic.

In addition to all of these contributions, the Valero Volunteers worked more than 3,500 community service hours last year. The Valero Volunteer Council helped with various projects, such as helping with the restoration of the historic Alto Vista Chapel and renovating Centro di Barrio Lago Heights.

“Valero has invested heavily in our employees, refinery and community since acquiring the plant. Not only has this commitment made us a better refinery, it has made Aruba a better place to live, work and visit,” Buckley said.

 



 ::MonkeyHaHa:: SuzyQ!!

That would be a good one to send to him.

Couple that with his media statements from 2005 about "No one is above the law", and his accusations that Minister of Justice Rudy Croes is "corrupt" and maybe he will get the message that not only is the Aruban public watching, but so is the world public.  That we pay attention to all of his garbage - and his credibility is zilch.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 10:23:15 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 31, 2009, 10:37:03 AM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

They are all in their rooms making $300 on babies.    ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 10:57:08 AM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

They are all in their rooms making $300 on babies.    ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyTease::


$300 credit that imo is worthless.   At other resorts, they sometimes have the same gimmick.  Credit for returning guests to be used against your next visit, or credit for the spa, which is normally very high priced, or credit in their stores, where you have to spend the full amount....I call it BS.      ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 11:36:36 AM
OT....only because it's been mentioned here during code talker sessions.

Disney to buy comic book powerhouse Marvel for $4B

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090831/ap_on_bi_ge/us_disney_marvel_entertainment


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on August 31, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
OT....only because it's been mentioned here during code talker sessions.

Disney to buy comic book powerhouse Marvel for $4B

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090831/ap_on_bi_ge/us_disney_marvel_entertainment


I can see it now!

SHANGO:  The Movie


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 31, 2009, 01:24:18 PM
OMG ANNA........LMfaoooooooooo  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on August 31, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Where is the stool? OMG someone took the stool. LOL


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 02:27:43 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

They are all in their rooms making $300 on babies.    ::MonkeyDevil::   ::MonkeyTease::


$300 credit that imo is worthless.   At other resorts, they sometimes have the same gimmick.  Credit for returning guests to be used against your next visit, or credit for the spa, which is normally very high priced, or credit in their stores, where you have to spend the full amount....I call it BS.      ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 02:28:18 PM
OT....only because it's been mentioned here during code talker sessions.

Disney to buy comic book powerhouse Marvel for $4B

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090831/ap_on_bi_ge/us_disney_marvel_entertainment


I can see it now!

SHANGO:  The Movie


 ::MonkeyJnBox::


 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Where is the stool? OMG someone took the stool. LOL

Maybe a choller needed something to sit their newly acquired TV on?   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 02:50:48 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Where is the stool? OMG someone took the stool. LOL

I had another response, but it wasn't very lady like....     ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on August 31, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
Booti using it to shine shoes  :cool:


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on August 31, 2009, 03:07:07 PM
Off Topic (sorry).   Klaas, are you o.k. from the fires?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 31, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
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CHANGO - HERO OF SCARED MONKEYS.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 31, 2009, 03:17:39 PM
::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)

Where is the stool? OMG someone took the stool. LOL

I heard the stool is in Deepak's room. He stands on it to appear taller.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on August 31, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
I'm just cathing up so this may have already been addressed.

I'm curious if this man is a US citizen?

The reason I'm asking................

The pond witness hoaxter was brought to TEXAS to take his polygraph last August.

Remember Jossy telling us his name?  I think we've deduced that phoenetically it was "Heerman" or "Heelman"

Which of course we have thought to possibly be "Geerman" with a soft G.

Could also have been "Helman"

It doesn't say how long he was in Aruba.

 

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CBP Intercepts Subject of Outstanding Warrant Wanted for Aggravated Sexual Assault on Child
08/24/2009

Miami - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at Miami International airport intercepted a subject wanted in Houston, Texas for aggravated sexual assault on a child less than 14 years of age. The subject was returning to the United States on a flight from Aruba.  
Officers at our ports of entry are actively engaged in ensuring that everyone who enters the United States is thoroughly checked in order to determine if they are a fugitive from justice or wanted by a particular agency for an alleged violation. CBP officers use their expert knowledge and the numerous systems at their disposal to verify the warrant and positively identify the subject. If someone is determined to be a match the originating agency is contacted and arrangements are made to turn the subject over, usually with the assistance of local law enforcement partners.


Once it was determined that the subject Victor Helmen   was a match to the warrant he was turned over to the Miami Dade Police Department for extradition to Texas. “On a daily basis U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at our ports intercept criminals who have eluded capture or those who have neglected to respond to charges that have been brought against them. We stand ever vigilant and work with our law enforcement partners to bring them to justice,” said Harold Woodward director of Field Operations in Miami.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.



I had work for Premiere Nasa 8 for 6yrs and I just wanted to say I love the new changes keep up the good work!!! I also wanted to say Hi to Emma, Jennifer, Eric and there newest Management member Michele congrats girl you deserve it

Victor Helmen
Webster, tx USA - Tuesday, June 21, 2005 08:26:53 PM


http://www.pccmovies.com/guestbook.php


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 04:19:40 PM
https://www.vinelink.com/vinelink/searchResultsAction.do?searchType=offender&siteId=44900&searchWhere=state&agency=301&id=&lastName=helmen&firstName=victor&dob=&ageRange=0&methodToCall=search
 
Texas Statewide
VINE Service Number : (877) 894-8463
Search Results
We found the following 1 offender(s).
NOTE: Names in italic are alias names.
Register/
Details  Last Name  First Name  Date of Birth  Age  Custody Status  Facility/Reason  Reporting Agency 
  HELMEN  VICTOR   WINSTON  12/13/1942  66  Out of Custody  Don't Generate a call  HARRIS COUNTY JAIL 
=======

He's already been bailed out.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 04:26:30 PM
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on August 31, 2009, 04:34:12 PM


BUMP!  With new added at the end

I'm just cathing up so this may have already been addressed.

I'm curious if this man is a US citizen?

The reason I'm asking................

The pond witness hoaxter was brought to TEXAS to take his polygraph last August.

Remember Jossy telling us his name?  I think we've deduced that phoenetically it was "Heerman" or "Heelman"

Which of course we have thought to possibly be "Geerman" with a soft G.

Could also have been "Helman"

It doesn't say how long he was in Aruba.

 

Printer Friendly Version Of:
http://www.cbp.gov/xp/cgov/newsroom/news_releases/08242009_3.xml
Printed:
Fri Aug 28 18:11:38 EDT 2009

CBP Intercepts Subject of Outstanding Warrant Wanted for Aggravated Sexual Assault on Child
08/24/2009

Miami - U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at Miami International airport intercepted a subject wanted in Houston,  Texas for aggravated sexual assault on a child less than 14 years of age. The subject was returning to the United States on a flight from Aruba.
Officers at our ports of entry are actively engaged in ensuring that everyone who enters the United States is thoroughly checked in order to determine if they are a fugitive from justice or wanted by a particular agency for an alleged violation. CBP officers use their expert knowledge and the numerous systems at their disposal to verify the warrant and positively identify the subject. If someone is determined to be a match the originating agency is contacted and arrangements are made to turn the subject over, usually with the assistance of local law enforcement partners.


Once it was determined that the subject Victor Helmen   was a match to the warrant he was turned over to the Miami Dade Police Department for extradition to Texas. “On a daily basis U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers at our ports intercept criminals who have eluded capture or those who have neglected to respond to charges that have been brought against them. We stand ever vigilant and work with our law enforcement partners to bring them to justice,” said Harold Woodward director of Field Operations in Miami.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection is the unified border agency within the Department of Homeland Security charged with the management, control and protection of our nation's borders at and between the official ports of entry. CBP is charged with keeping terrorists and terrorist weapons out of the country while enforcing hundreds of U.S. laws.

 
 

Why is this witness potentially credible? The Aruban passed two polygraph tests in Houston, TX on August 5, 2008. The tests were performed by John Swartz of John Swartz & Associates, International Polygraph Examiners. The 48 year old Aruba, name withheld for obvious reasons, went to police early on in the investigation; however, was not taken seriously. He is also claimed to have spoke with Hans Mos. Whether an actual police report exists of the witness is unknown.
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2008/09/10/natalee-holloway-investigation-exclusive-tim-miller-of-texas-equusearch-in-aruba-to-meet-with-aleprosecutor-new-witness-that-puts-joran-paulus-van-der-sloot-near-ponds-on-53005/


http://polygraphusa.com/Default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
 14275 Midway Road, Suite 220, Dallas, Texas 75001

 440 Louisiana, Suite 900, Houston, Tx 77002
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So I guess if we could find out when this poor child was molested, we could either remove this guy from the Hoax, or strenghten the thoughts that he IS the witness hoaxter.

Obviously, this is no upstanding citizen.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 05:40:13 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61754.php

Google translation:

"Dollarisatie no point in the same government '

August 31, 2009, 14:05 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Replacing the Aruban florin for the dollar does not benefit in Aruba for as long as the current financial and economic policies of the government remain unchanged. This suggests the former president of the Central Bank Aruba, Rob Henriquez.

The debate on topical dollarisatie after the conference was initiated by the Antillean Minister of Finance was held last week in Curacao. Whether the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba have to switch to the dollar as legal tender, keep the emotions on the island very long time.

The Central Bank of the Netherlands Antilles suggests it proved again last week the idea of switching to the dollar as legal tender. Henriquez think the real reason may Antillean national debt and the enormous interest that the tax money "opslurpt. "The Antillean government despite all the advice not been able to sound its own currency to go and can now only maintain its economy and improve Dutch state."

Henriquez wonders whether dollarisation also an Aruba solution can be. He indicates that on Aruba the transition would be easier than in the West Indies in part because of tourism from the U.S.. On the other hand, the tourism industry due to seasonal influences and is now the closing of Valero, Henriquez said that imports of U.S. dollars influences. Because it is forbidden to Aruba to U.S. dollars to express themselves.

These developments make (tax) revenues fluctuate so he wonders if Aruba is better off than with its own currency. "Not in a situation of maladministration by a national debt of 2.2 billion florin which end in sight and an annual loss in taxes of 140 million florin to interest expense."

Henriquez notes that Aruba has a large deficit on its current account balance and Aruba that consumes many times more than it deserves. "This is only possible because the government deficits in its budgets continually makes money creation and thus undermines the Florin priceless and with increasing interest on the loans and budgets."
This money creation but also further excessive credit financing to the banking effect, says the former Bank President. "The banks which are to be liquid."

In a dollarisatie However, the government significantly less and maladministration is almost impossible, shall Henriquez. "Unless the government the democratic deficit ever let afkavelen to a dictatorship, as in Venezuela." He believes that monetary Aruba has long been seen beyond the point of a stable financial and economic development are here impoverishment, crime and deterioration in public visibility. This despite a healthy economic growth. Henriquez conclusion is: "maladministration undermines the florin and eventually make it useless (debt with interest) in democratic and social decline caused. These social processes have been intensively in motion. Therefore, in due time a director of the Central Bank the message to politicians: dollariseer but because of yourself you do nothing and your dollars will be worthless to change inappropriate policy. "

Dollarisatie

Dollarisatie implies that a country's own currency and lifting the U.S. dollar as legal tender imports. Gedollariseerde fact that their country no longer able to finance public spending by printing more money. The amount of dollars in the domestic economy will circulate, depends on what the country deserves and will earn in dollars. This is a country forced to a competent and disciplined policy. Wrong and incompetent policies, eg to attract voters, will make it more complex for the country to borrow. For a country it is important that a constant source of income. But then that country may be the victim of sharp price fluctuations on international markets. Savings both in the private sector and in the public sector are also important.

Before dollarisation them to a country first and eliminate the deficit, the economy on a stable and sustainable levels stand.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 05:47:19 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61750.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Large car theft case postponed

August 31, 2009, 13:53 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The handling of the case against Raymond Maduro, pivot in a group of car thieves and arms dealers who were active in large scale in 2008 and 2009, is postponed. This after a request from the Public Prosecutor (OM). The handling of cases against the accomplices and Silvio Geerman Giomar Kelk Boom at the request of the deferred. Maduro is no stranger to police. Previously he had a police car stolen and burned. Interestingly, the case against him, and Kelk Geerman Boom is the fact that the group committed robberies on request. If someone of a particular model or a particular part wanted the trio went on the road to that goal. Were also stolen from the car's chassis numbers changed and were resold. In May, a large number of raids and searches by police, which led to the arrests of the trio. The handling of the case against Raymond Maduro, Silvio Geerman and Giomar Kelk Boom will resume on October 23.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 06:09:04 PM
8/31/2009 Diario Front Page

http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/frontpage/index.html

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http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/noticia/news1.html
Papiamentu translation:

the relato berdadero behind the refineria

valero is close for culpa of nel oduber


oranjestad(aan): two year happen had one proposicion on table of refineria valero for gobierno of aruba. valero was dispuesto for pay 50 miyon for year at winstbelasting y also for haci the inversionnan necesario of 1 biyon dollar for modernisa the refineria much anticua. this owing to cambio of one dispensacion of bbo on exportacion.

if not achieve one cumprado, the refineria is close his portanan, cu all the consecuencianan negative cu this is trece cune. petrochina owing to show interest, but owing to place condicionnan inaceptabel.

week happen valero owing to anuncia cu the will close definitely his portanan. first minister oduber owing to bay medionan of comunicacion for commend cu the have one solucion, but the berdad is cu the not can participa one pair of week first cu eleccion at none person the condicionan cu the cumprado aspirante petrochina owing to place on table, this because they do not acceptabel for none person.

was one golpi economico very strong self time cu lago owing to close his portanan y owing to bandona the island here. the gobierno of avp cu owing to come after owing to achieve aruba in one desolacion overall cu thousand of father y mother without trabao y hendenan cu at one cantidad alarming was bandona we island, owing to dicidi the time ey of haci of aruba one destinacion turistico.

this owing to resulta of was one tremendo good decision. economia of aruba owing to florece y the ingreso pear capita owing to arrive at one level very high self, assure compara cu another islands dan caribe. gabinete oduber ii owing to succeed after of atrae one compania for open y explota the refeneria of new, although cu for haci this nel oduber y his gobierno have to owing to sell the soul of aruba.

coastal not only owing to achieve one tax holiday, but on dje owing to achieve one garantia of nel oduber cu never the compania here will worde poni responsible for cualkier damage medio ambiental; dus hour they stop of haci usage of the refineria they (coastal) not have to haci the territory clean of all contaminacion!

is the same clausula in the garantia is haci cu today valero niether have to haci the territory clean. the gastonan for deshaci of the polucion ambiental – estima on biyones of guilder – will have to worde pay door of we yiunan, they yiunan y much generacionnan more cu is come.

some year happen coastal owing to sell the refineria cu valero. was more cu claro the time ey end cu have to of haci inversionnan enough big for modernisa the refineria cu was in one estado very decai self, for can hacie rendabel. the prijs cu valero owing to pay – rond of 450 miyon dollar – was much abao.

y cu in his hand one tax holiday atractivo valero owing to haci ganashinan big in cuminsamento. but, the inversionnan cu owing to worde priminti of will worde haci, casi not did take lugar. is for her motibo here self also cu today is casi impossible for haci the refeneria eficiente y for in one time cortico reconstruye of such form cu the can procesa another sort of azeta y also cu productonan can worde produci eyden.

is pesey self cu faction avp if two year happen owing to acepta the proposicion of valero y owing to hinke in his presuspuesto alternativa. nel oduber owing to sweep the proposicion here for of table. the instant ey first minister of aruba can owing to mara valero for one time largo at aruba, but past owing to prefera of scoge for one conflicto.

valero not owing to lose for earn y owing to cuminsa one caso in corte contra gobierno, cu in first instancia owing to worde earn door of country aruba. but, now owing to resulta cu the triunfo here is nothing more one victoria pirrico (un triunfo cu is costa tanto energy, molester y coin cu the do not bale la pena). because now cu the refineria do not bayendo good, the claim latente of tax of 300 miyon guilder is one weight very pisa for valero. this is haci the decision of bay of aruba uno very facil self.

now nel is count ; rond of is bay “rescata” aruba. petrochina will cumpra the refineria. but, nel oduber for nothing of world wanted tell if have one deal if or not among valero y petrochina. pakico nel is so keto then? thing cu nel does not tell people is cu petrochina wanted cumpra the refeneria only bao of cierto condicionan. condicionnan estricto cu still have to worde aproba door of parliament.

the condicionnan here is cu petrochina wanted pay one suma very abao self at winstbelasting y cu they does not pay bbo neither niether they wanted carga responsabilidad for contaminacion y polucion of we medio ambiente. the condicionan here for aruba y all esnan cu loves aruba is completamente inaceptabel! this for her simple mature cu we not have nothing at one deal so ugly.

once more the people of aruba is become victima of the actitud negative y the miss of vision of gabinete oduber iv. centenares, or miho tell thousand of person will lose they trabao in the dianan we fast. y while cu the cleanliness of medio ambiente is causante of one owe big for future of the country here, aruba is stay behind cu one unemployment gigantesco y one polucion enormous.


http://www.diarioaruba.com/dialuna/noticia/news2.html

inspector of police envolvi in accidente on sasakiweg

oranjestad (aan): the comandante operacional of polisnan of oranjestad, esta inspector eric soemers owing to achieve his self envolvi in one desgracia earnest at height of la cabana hotel on sasakiweg.

the accidente here owing to stay raporta last, hour cu the hyundai getz of police owing to bay stick behind one lexus cu was stop on caminda. look like cu gasolene of the lexus owing to end y was sperando on aid.

enbez of achieve aid, past owing to achieve one car of police cu owing to come strike his slow. the police owing to wordo transporta cu ambulance for hospitaal. at arrival of polisnan, owing to detene the chauffeur of the lexus at the sitio self. come across


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 06:11:42 PM
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.

If this person was born in 1942, he would not be 48 years of age as stated in that FP article....more like 67.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on August 31, 2009, 06:54:31 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on August 31, 2009, 10:29:50 PM
8/26/2009 Awe Mainta Page 22

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News10%20082009/08262009AweMaintaPg22.jpg)

Google translation:

Pressing questions for Peter de Witte, Chief of Police

Mr. White, on behalf The Aruban people I want happy to answer and clarity have some very pressing questions.

These are the two licenses you have spent on both the AVP and the MEP to on the same day their parades account.

Is not that a gold rule is that in Aruba Sunday before the LAST election-in this case 20
September-political party as a first license applying for keeping a parade of real the party which would qualify to come on that day if ANY party parade hold?

Why is this principle departed? Because that AVP as the first such license requested is a incontrovertible fact. Meanwhile You also know that Aruba grown in terms of population in recent years and that the same infrastructure for years remained so that no two parades on same day can be. Still knowingly gives you two licenses for same
days?

Why not the MEP on Saturday?  Are you put under pressure and by whom?

If the answer is YES, I still a little bit Show understanding, since everyone knows that the MEP only through intimidation and scaremongering in power came to power and wants remain. If the answer is NO I understand this decision is absolutely not.

You must understand one thing, Mr. White, what political on each of Aruban knows the ins and outs, especially in terms of fundamental cases. We let us not so easily from the cheese eat bread. What we as citizens Aruba's very concerned to make is that this ill-advised decision Safety all of us in unnecessary danger is charged.

There is no ambulance, no police or other professionals on the ground in time, if there something happen. And the chance that something happening is extremely high.  Even if such a person home sick and urgently to the hospital, which then?

Please take this heavy responsibility on your shoulders?

Premier Oduber has publicly You said that Mr. The White responsible are for everything that day can go wrong. De Zwarte Piet you already can be played by the Prime Minister.

Are you prepared without a a struggle to accept and wrath of the people to take on, should anything go wrong? I would not want in your shoes are on. You The Aruban people really an answer for you plays with his unnecessary safety. The floor is yours!


On behalf of Concerned Citizens
Aruba
Yolanda Croes




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on August 31, 2009, 11:47:06 PM
 ::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:02:21 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 01, 2009, 12:12:32 AM
DON'T THINK WE'VE FORGOTTON BOUTCHA PERSISTENCE

TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK

JUSTICE IS COMING

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED



 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:15:41 AM
Hi KTF and TM!  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 01, 2009, 12:16:47 AM
Hi KTF and TM!  ::MonkeySlide::

shhhhhhh!Football is coming.... ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:17:16 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree Magnolia....wayyyyy too quiet!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Wish I could find us some good news in those newspapers somewhere!   ::MonkeyWink::

Bondia hasn't updated their online edition since Friday.
Aruba Today hasn't updated their online edition since a week ago today! ::MonkeyConfused::

I love the reminders that 2NJ has been posting about Natalee's candles!    ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope we do eventually get to see what happened with Terror Jaap/Joran/and the lie detector.  It's taking long enough!  I know, I know, be patient.   ::MonkeyRoll::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:18:21 AM
DON'T THINK WE'VE FORGOTTON BOUTCHA PERSISTENCE

TICK_TOCK_TICK_TOCK

JUSTICE IS COMING

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED



 ::MonkeyBike::

::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:20:06 AM
Hi KTF and TM!  ::MonkeySlide::

Hi hotping!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:22:33 AM
Maybe if We hang for a while tonight... Robots billb and Kermit will stop by...... ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:27:21 AM
Maybe if We hang for a while tonight... Robots billb and Kermit will stop by...... ::MonkeyCheer3::


That would be fun!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
Maybe if We hang for a while tonight... Robots billb and Kermit will stop by...... ::MonkeyCheer3::


That would be fun!   ::MonkeyCheer2::
Yes It Would Be!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:32:41 AM
hotping, texasmom, Keepthefaith and 3 Guests   ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hello 3 Guests!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 01, 2009, 12:41:59 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Agraria on September 01, 2009, 12:50:52 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless you little monkey angels
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
still here tonight. Someone is always here holding the fort down for Nat.
Thank you!!! You show much love...

I just came by to say goodnight. I have had a litlle cold and am going to bed early tonight!

Love,

Tricia and goodnight to all of you


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:51:15 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::
Good Night KTF!  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 12:52:24 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless you little monkey angels
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
still here tonight. Someone is always here holding the fort down for Nat.
Thank you!!! You show much love...

I just came by to say goodnight. I have had a litlle cold and am going to bed early tonight!

Love,

Tricia and goodnight to all of you
Good Night Tricia...I Hope That You Feel Better Soon!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:52:35 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night and God bless you too KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 12:53:46 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 12:57:28 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless you little monkey angels
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
still here tonight. Someone is always here holding the fort down for Nat.
Thank you!!! You show much love...

I just came by to say goodnight. I have had a litlle cold and am going to bed early tonight!

Love,

Tricia and goodnight to all of you

Thanks Agraria!  For the few that hang of us that are around even when it's so quiet, there are many more very close by...counting on Justice for Natalee! 

Good night Agraria, hope you feel better soon!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:00:53 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?

Hi CBB!   ::MonkeyDance::

Haven't seen robots lately!  But I bet he'll be back soon! 

I'm shoutin' with ya!   ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: FOR NATALEE!   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:02:45 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?
Hi CBB! I'm just hanging waiting to see if Robots billb or maybe Kermit (Maybe all 3) will stop by...I haven't seen Robots in awhile....  ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:04:00 AM
Justice For Natalee! Tick Tock Tick Tock!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:04:32 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless you little monkey angels
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
still here tonight. Someone is always here holding the fort down for Nat.
Thank you!!! You show much love...

I just came by to say goodnight. I have had a litlle cold and am going to bed early tonight!

Love,

Tricia and goodnight to all of you

Thanks Agraria!  For the few of us that are around even when it's so quiet, there are many more very close by...counting on Justice for Natalee! 

Good night Agraria, hope you feel better soon!   ::MonkeyAngel::

self edit...I'd really messed that one up!   ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 01:06:57 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH



 ::MonkeyAngel::

God bless you little monkey angels
 ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeyAngel::
still here tonight. Someone is always here holding the fort down for Nat.
Thank you!!! You show much love...

I just came by to say goodnight. I have had a litlle cold and am going to bed early tonight!

Love,

Tricia and goodnight to all of you

I see you sometimes when you are here....sleep well, Agraria.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:07:22 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 01:07:55 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?
Hi CBB! I'm just hanging waiting to see if Robots billb or maybe Kermit (Maybe all 3) will stop by...I haven't seen Robots in awhile....  ::MonkeySlide::

Well, isn't it nice to be able to say, "in a while"?    ::MonkeyWink::

Hiya, TM! billb said he was going somewhere on a business trip......... was it Guam? Anyway, he said he'd post again in September! 

Now, where the heck is kermit? She's prolly out catching flies in that pond of hers!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:08:28 AM
Off Topic (sorry).   Klaas, are you o.k. from the fires?

I hope Klaas and all other monkeys are o.k. too!   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 01:10:18 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see

 ::MonkeyEek::

I don't think I'll even ask!   ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 01:12:03 AM
Off Topic (sorry).   Klaas, are you o.k. from the fires?

I hope Klaas and all other monkeys are o.k. too!   ::MonkeyCool::

I messaged her to ask that, but I must have caught her as she was going to bed. I'm wondering about California monkeys, too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:12:49 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 
  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:13:13 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?
Hi CBB! I'm just hanging waiting to see if Robots billb or maybe Kermit (Maybe all 3) will stop by...I haven't seen Robots in awhile....  ::MonkeySlide::

Well, isn't it nice to be able to say, "in a while"?    ::MonkeyWink::

Hiya, TM! billb said he was going somewhere on a business trip......... was it Guam? Anyway, he said he'd post again in September! 

Now, where the heck is kermit? She's prolly out catching flies in that pond of hers!   ::MonkeyWink::


Yes, billb did say Guam.  Maybe robots had some business to take care of too!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'll be glad when they get back to the cage!  ::MonkeyCheer3::

I think Kermit stopped by earlier today!  And wreck's been here, and KTF stopped by too!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 01, 2009, 01:18:05 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




Well, I think Renho borrowed it because her knees were sore. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:18:42 AM
Hi Monkeys!   ::MonkeyDance::

Just checking in with you guys and scratching an itch to shout "JUSTICE FOR NATALEE"!!

How is everyone? Has Robots been by lately?
Hi CBB! I'm just hanging waiting to see if Robots billb or maybe Kermit (Maybe all 3) will stop by...I haven't seen Robots in awhile....  ::MonkeySlide::

Well, isn't it nice to be able to say, "in a while"?    ::MonkeyWink::

Hiya, TM! billb said he was going somewhere on a business trip......... was it Guam? Anyway, he said he'd post again in September! 

Now, where the heck is kermit? She's prolly out catching flies in that pond of hers!   ::MonkeyWink::


Yes, billb did say Guam.  Maybe robots had some business to take care of too!   ::MonkeyCool::

I'll be glad when they get back to the cage!  ::MonkeyCheer3::

I think Kermit stopped by earlier today!  And wreck's been here, and KTF stopped by too!


Me Too!  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:19:59 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




Well, I think Renho borrowed it because her knees were sore. ::MonkeyDevil::
Now that is prolly the truth and nothing but the truth...lol  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 01:20:39 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




ahem....there's a few things I might have been thinking.....   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm heading out....but I'll see you later...

Truth & Justice for Natalee.  Let it be.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:23:24 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




ahem....there's a few things I might have been thinking.....   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm heading out....but I'll see you later...

Truth & Justice for Natalee.  Let it be.
Good Night 2NJ! Rest Well!  ::MonkeyAngel:: Justice for Natalee!  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:25:36 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  


Well, I think Renho borrowed it because her knees were sore. ::MonkeyDevil::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 01:26:34 AM
Night 2NJ! Sleep Well and God Bless!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 01:30:38 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::
  ::MonkeyJnBox:: Hi Magnolia! I sure Hope Everyone in those fire areas are safe it is so sad... TM is the bestest for keeping those articles coming like She does.....Thanks TM! I wish that Jaap guy would get his lie detector show produced it would be interesting to see just what it revealed even if it is just more BS.... Purcell is a fat slob who probably is stuck to a bar stool if You know what I mean...lol 

 ::MonkeyHaHa::   Back to the stool topic, I see. 

I spent a while thinking about what your "not very lady like" comment might have been!

 ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyDevil::  




ahem....there's a few things I might have been thinking.....   ::MonkeyWink::

I'm heading out....but I'll see you later...

Truth & Justice for Natalee.  Let it be.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night 2NJ!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Truth and Justice for Natalee!

http://www.youtube.com/v/YBPFvp750sc&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 01:43:35 AM
Thank You TM! Let It Be Justice for Natalee and Her Family and Friends!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 02:15:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/NataleeBracelet.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 01, 2009, 02:15:51 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 02:18:14 AM
Good Night TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::

Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 02:28:41 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Holloway_beach.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 02:31:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/natalee2-10jpg-1.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 01, 2009, 09:02:40 AM
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.

If this person was born in 1942, he would not be 48 years of age as stated in that FP article....more like 67.   

Right.  Which would lead in the direction of this man NOT being the hoaxter.

But I'm still stuck on................is 48 even the correct reported age for the "witness"?  I would think someone would be able to visually tell such an age difference - but possibly not.  And considering that info likely came from Caps and the "witness" himself...............well, I'm just not quite ready to let it go w/out some more digging.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 01, 2009, 09:04:32 AM
::MonkeyJnBox::

It is just way too quiet in here lately. ::MonkeyWaa::
Thank goodness for TM's news translations. ::MonkeyAngel::
and 2NJ reminding us of Natalee's Candles ::MonkeyCheer4::

Maybe that old Jaap guy will get his lie detector show produced. ::MonkeyDevil::

I hope that Klaas is OK with the fires. (and Kermit too, if Kermit is Klaas' neighbor)
Do we know where Mark Purcell was when the fires started?.......sitting on a bar stool
somewhere, no doubt. ::MonkeyTongue::

I agree Magnolia....wayyyyy too quiet!   ::MonkeyWaa::

Wish I could find us some good news in those newspapers somewhere!   ::MonkeyWink::

Bondia hasn't updated their online edition since Friday.
Aruba Today hasn't updated their online edition since a week ago today! ::MonkeyConfused::

I love the reminders that 2NJ has been posting about Natalee's candles!    ::MonkeyAngel::

I hope we do eventually get to see what happened with Terror Jaap/Joran/and the lie detector.  It's taking long enough!  I know, I know, be patient.   ::MonkeyRoll::




Maybe its editor is busy attending to pressing personal issues?  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 09:44:57 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 11:28:00 AM
HELMEN,VICTOR WINSTON

658 BARRINGER LANE
Dec 13 1942

=======

There is no birth record to be found for Victor Winston Helman.

Also - while there is a record of a divorce and 4 children.......

There is no record of a marriage, nor birth of 2 of those 4 children.

Possible meaning?  Victor was born outside of the US, was married outside of the US, and had the first of his 4 children outside of the US.

So........where?

So I guess this guy could be a possibility as the pond witness hoaxter still.

Would be nice to find out what/if any long term connection he has to Aruba, aside from this recent trip from the return of which he was arrested....

Keep in mind, Steve Cohen has solid ties to that rock since 1979 - and of course we've got the ex-pats such as Renfro and Purcell living there - so it wouldn't be that unheard of for this guy to actually "live" on Aruba, while still maintaining his US residency as well.

If this person was born in 1942, he would not be 48 years of age as stated in that FP article....more like 67.   

Right.  Which would lead in the direction of this man NOT being the hoaxter.

But I'm still stuck on................is 48 even the correct reported age for the "witness"?  I would think someone would be able to visually tell such an age difference - but possibly not.  And considering that info likely came from Caps and the "witness" himself...............well, I'm just not quite ready to let it go w/out some more digging.  ::MonkeyCool::

I understand.....I wasn't sure I did, yesterday.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 01, 2009, 01:56:57 PM
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5822.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 01, 2009, 02:34:02 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 02:40:19 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61792.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Florin remains official currency

September 1, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - For the Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Nilo Swean (MEP) was a foregone conclusion. Aruba is not about the dollar. It indicates in a response that in 1986 the discussion to proceed from the florin to the dollar as the currency is well fed, but now there can be no question of. At that time there also agreed that the issue is not about to go to Aruba for the dollar as national currency, while Aruba has financial and economic situation in order. If a country thinks of us dollarisation such land must first eliminate the deficit, the economy and a stable and sustainable levels, otherwise it is doomed to failure.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61793.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

CBB will abolish parades

September 1, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - In an open letter asking President Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) Lydia Emerencia to all political parties participating in the elections of September 25 to abandon their planned marches. "CBB has noted that in the run up to the last days before the election heightened tensions between, which in itself is logical. Meanwhile, this is means that the head cool and think clearly even more important to provide a quiet, peaceful atmosphere without incident to keep. Ultimately, there is an election in order that the people decide who the next period the reins of this country and empower them to not inappropriately, with insults and aggression, to resolve differences.

"Emerencia states in recent weeks during a several major events including the big parades of AVP and MEP, having seen incidents between supporters of both parties. The fear is that the atmosphere will be even more hostile and that "excesses will take place that no sane citizen would wish. CBB asks all parties to withdraw their planned marches, "given the nuisance to the public and gives the little informative nature of parades. The call is in particular to the parties that already have held a parade, "because they all have embraced this opportunity," said Lydia Emerencia.

September 20
Meanwhile, considering the chief Peter White is on the licenses issued to both AVP and MEP to hold a parade on September 20. According to De Witte is as yet difficult to ensure safety of both parades. The fact that the marches may be so large that each escape virtually impossible and that the free access of ambulance services can not be guaranteed, are reasons for the Corps leadership to withdraw the permits still to consider. The party who first had sought a permit would still be able to hold its parade. Contrary to what MEP leader Nelson Oduber said recently, De Witte says that when first AVP had submitted its license, which is in July. He hopes this week with a final decision to come out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:28:35 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61790.php

Google translation:

ARUBA


Arbitration Valero after elections


September 1, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Dutch Arbitration Institute in The Hague in late September will rule on a case-BBO Valero has filed against the Aruban government. This means that after the election, a clarification of the refinery should pay the tax money. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) has disappointed reaction to the news. He expected the ruling yesterday. "I believe there are more pawns in the game against the current government," Oduber reacted to the news from The Hague. This week the government in negotiations with Petro China, possibly the closed refinery in San Nicolas wants to take. The Government has made a counterproposal to the offer of the Chinese state oil company and is now awaiting a response. Negotiations are also not the selling remains between PetroChina and Valero, the government said.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:41:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61733.php

Government opens negotiations with PetroChina on Monday

29 Aug, 2009, 09:59 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD — Premier Nelson Oduber has announced that he will open negotiations with PetroChina on Monday. He will then discuss the proposal of the Chinese state oil company to purchase the refinery at San Nicolas.

Although Valero does not make any announcements on a sale, the government has indicated more than once that PetroChina has made an offer. The Chinese company is now negotiating with the government on the conditions. Oduber emphasized once again yesterday, that it will not be a contract such as the one with Coastal in 1998 (which was taken over by Valero later on). “We will not allow the refinery to be run by foreign employees, or contractors wishing to earn money here, but collecting it in the United States. Whoever wants to purchase the refinery, will have to pay his fair share.” The only thing that the government will consider is a tax deduction for investments, “but then that should be a substantial amount and also be included in the contract”, says the Premier. The government will not elaborate yet on the investment amount required of the new owner. “In any case, 300 million dollars is required to produce a high quality diesel.” This requirement for high quality is essential, as many countries in the region have increased the quality standards for diesel products.

Oduber finds that Valero has neglected to invest, even though they were prepared to do so in first instance. The Texan oil concern wanted to invest one billion, but that changed. The Premier denies once again that this was related to the conflict on the payment of sales tax (‘bbo’). According to him, it concerned a reduction, which they received from Venezuela and Mexico on heavy sour crude - oil that Valero processed for products. Due to this reduction, they were able to work at a profit, although that changed when Venezuela and Mexico cancelled the reduction according to Oduber. “As of that time, they incurred losses very quickly. The management and the shareholders in the United States then decided to accelerate the process of selling the refinery. I do not have any influence whatsoever on the shareholders and the management, contrary to what others alleged that I had closed the refinery. They simply want cash now.” The Premier said he was also expecting the verdict on Monday in the arbitration case, which Valero had instituted on the ‘bbo’-conflict.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:45:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61732.php

MSI: ‘Balkenende involved in Valero closing down’

29 Aug, 2009, 09:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD –– During the weekly press conference of Movimiento Social Independiente (MSI), party-leader Edwin Duijneveld lashed out at oil company Valero. According to Duijneveld, Valero is trying to influence the elections by temporary closing down. “Simply because they do not wish to pay their fair share to the community, but rather exploit the community.”

According to the party-leader, the political game regarding the refinery goes far beyond the island’s borders. “When the Dutch party-leader Jan Peter Balkenende stands in front of the microphone, ask him about the reason for the current situation on Valero. When he says that he doesn’t know anything about it, then you should ask him to stop lying!” says Duijneveld. According to him, the Dutch government party CDA observes that certain matters on Aruba are not working out as they had expected or wanted, and attempt to taken action, exactly on matters which the Aruban population should decide upon. Duijneveld accuses Valero of having spoken to ‘certain politicians’ on the island whose party is supported by the largest party in the Dutch government coalition. “I can also state that not all parties in the Dutch coalition agree with this and that’s why I have this information”, says Duijneveld.

The party stated that it had personally found three interested parties for taking-over the refinery. One of them was even interested and even prepared to take on the clearance of the area, something that all former operators of the refinery had extorted indemnification of.

The oil companies, of which one was European, had however requested the party not to mention any names. According to candidate and party-founder Danny van der Linde (MSI), they want to wait until after September 11th, when Valero has dismissed the remaining contract-workers. “Anything could happen in the meantime, and that‘s why they are still keeping out of the public eye”, according to Van der Linde.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:52:12 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61691.php

Valero workers keep a level head

28 Aug, 2009, 14:03 (GMT -04:00)

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SAN NICOLAS — Johannes ‘Boy’ Anthony, Chairman of the refinery trade union International Oil Workers Union of Aruba (IOWUA) sympathizes with the approx. 500 contract-workers whose contract will not be extended between now and September 11th.

“The contract-workers are our brothers and nephews. They work side by side with the Valero employees. We know how hard this is for them.” Furthermore, the trade union chairman keeps a level head with regard to the current permanent shutdown of the refinery. “Valero will continue to pay their employees, and Valero has kept all our agreements until now.” In addition, the IOWUA has the big stick as the contract with the refinery states that a possible new operator is obligated to take over the employees.

Furthermore, the refinery is subject to two months’ notice regarding a possible dismissal of employees. Anthony said they owe this to the IOWUA being associated with the powerful international trade union United Steelworkers (USW). They also have contact with Valero’s trade union, Valero Counsel.

IOWUA recently met with Premier Nelson Oduber to discuss which priorities they have regarding labor guarantee, safety, environment, and the refinery’s future. “Until now, he has been fair with us”, said Anthony, who urges to especially keep a positive attitude. “It concerns the interest of the refinery, which is very important for Aruba.” The chairman of the trade union is not aware of a possible purchase of the refinery by PetroChina. “We have an agreement with the management that we will notified first if there is a buyer; and believe me, when that happens, we will certainly let you know.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 06:54:19 PM

Those last few were repeats, the first time I'd posted them from Google translations...which tend to not be very clear sometimes. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 07:21:48 PM

Those last few were repeats, the first time I'd posted them from Google translations...which tend to not be very clear sometimes. 



 ::MonkeyCool::      It's all good, TM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 07:32:05 PM

Those last few were repeats, the first time I'd posted them from Google translations...which tend to not be very clear sometimes. 



 ::MonkeyCool::      It's all good, TM.



Thanks 2NJ!   ::MonkeySkate:: 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 07:45:52 PM


Hi KTF!   ::MonkeyCheer2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 07:48:58 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Burnin' burnin' burnin' keep those butts a burnin'

Burnin' till they're turnin' RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 07:53:01 PM



NO  ::MonkeyJustice:: FOR NATALEE....NO TOURISTS FOR ARUBA! ::MonkeyGavel::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 07:57:08 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Burnin' burnin' burnin' keep those butts a burnin'

Burnin' till they're turnin' RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And the Gramm(onke)y goes to:     



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 01, 2009, 08:02:42 PM


Hi KTF!   ::MonkeyCheer2::



Yipppeee..Justice is coming!!Hello TM.. ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 08:05:17 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Burnin' burnin' burnin' keep those butts a burnin'

Burnin' till they're turnin' RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And the Gramm(onke)y goes to:     



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why thank ya...thank ya verymuch... (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/cbhowdy.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 01, 2009, 08:08:29 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Burnin' burnin' burnin' keep those butts a burnin'

Burnin' till they're turnin' RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And the Gramm(onke)y goes to:     



 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Why thank ya...thank ya verymuch... (http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Greetings/cbhowdy.gif)



Yall shore are funny tonight.   ::MonkeyJnBox::    ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 01, 2009, 08:13:19 PM

Hi Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Just havin' a little fun while we're here standin' with the girl...waitin' on some justice!  ::MonkeyJustice::

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Blue Moon on September 01, 2009, 08:26:38 PM

Hi Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Just havin' a little fun while we're here standin' with the girl...waitin' on some justice!  ::MonkeyJustice::

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



I am here too.   TIC TOK TIC TOK.   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 10:38:08 PM

Hi Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Just havin' a little fun while we're here standin' with the girl...waitin' on some justice!  ::MonkeyJustice::

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Smile though your heart is aching
Smile even though its breaking
When there are clouds in the sky, youll get by
If you smile through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll see the sun come shining through for you

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
Thats the time you must keep on trying
Smile, whats the use of crying?
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile

Thats the time you must keep on trying
Smile, whats the use of crying?
Youll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nat+king+cole/smile_20098087.html


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 01, 2009, 10:57:19 PM
I think the stool is in the background of the deserted beach daily, between the two chairs being used as a table?

At least that looks like it to me.




Yes, I agree.  In some shots, where there actually are people, sometimes an individual will choose to sit on the little table while they pose for the zoom shot.  They take 3 zoom shots each day and in all honesty, today the last was the one I posted.   Guess that might burn some butts.    ::MonkeyDevil::       ::MonkeyTease::   ::MonkeyTongue::


::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Burnin' burnin' burnin' keep those butts a burnin'

Burnin' till they're turnin' RAWHIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ::MonkeyDevil::


 ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::cartwheel:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

And the Gramm(onke)y goes to:     



 ::MonkeyEek:: Are we still on the stool topic?

All I know about a stool is that judging from the size of my fanny on one, I'm spending way too much time on the computer! My own personal version is:

Scrollin', Scrollin', Scrollin'
Gee, my azz is swollen!

 ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 11:06:25 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 01, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

JUSTICE IS COMING


 ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 01, 2009, 11:54:48 PM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

JUSTICE IS COMING


 ::MonkeyGavel::

Amen, KTF....Goodnight & God Bless.   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 02, 2009, 02:28:16 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-8.jpg)

Truth & Justice for Natalee!
God Bless You Sweet Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 02, 2009, 02:47:25 AM
Hi TM...I thought maybe You had called it an early night......I'm about to call it quits for the night Myself.....I Hope All is Well with You....  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:06:34 AM
Hi TM...I thought maybe You had called it an early night......I'm about to call it quits for the night Myself.....I Hope All is Well with You....  ::MonkeyAngel::

Hi hotping!  I'm here, was just off looking for any interesting news.  I'm about to call it a night too!

Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:08:23 AM

Hi Blue Moon!   ::MonkeyCheer2::

Just havin' a little fun while we're here standin' with the girl...waitin' on some justice!  ::MonkeyJustice::

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)



Smile though your heart is aching
Smile even though its breaking
When there are clouds in the sky, youll get by
If you smile through your fear and sorrow
Smile and maybe tomorrow
You'll see the sun come shining through for you

Light up your face with gladness
Hide every trace of sadness
Although a tear may be ever so near
Thats the time you must keep on trying
Smile, whats the use of crying?
You'll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile

Thats the time you must keep on trying
Smile, whats the use of crying?
Youll find that life is still worthwhile
If you just smile
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/n/nat+king+cole/smile_20098087.html

 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:18:07 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:31:20 AM
Hello all Good Monkeys...Hope and pray all is well with those in the California fire zone.
We survived the 2003/2007 San Diego county fires.....evacuated both times....just follow the direction of authorities if they tell you to evacuate...
I've got a good feeling that Justice for Natalee is just around the corner....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:37:03 AM
What is the last thing american traitors hear before they go to sleep?
Tick Toc..Tick..Toc...

What is the first thing american trators hear when they wake up?
Tick Toc..Tick..Toc.. ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:42:00 AM
Ever wanted to go back in time?
I leave Guam on the 5th, land in Honolulu on the 4th, land in LA on the 5th.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
Good night Good Monkeys....Maybe there will be good news for Justice for Natalee when I return home....
Tick Toc...Tick Toc....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:45:36 AM
5 billb posts in a row...another form of stacking.... ::MonkeyCool:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 02, 2009, 07:46:41 AM
And a page change.......6 in a row.....you go billb..... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2009, 01:11:53 PM
Looking around for news, I found the following message board thread.  As you can see, the Subject caught my eye.  I'll start with the leading message and the subsequent responses can be found at the link....some are VERY interesting.

  #1 (permalink)    Wednesday, August 26th, 2009, 09:24 PM 
 aquaman 
Senior Member   Join Date: January 28th, 2008
Posts: 115
 
 
 One Happy Island....but for who????

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Firstly, let me say that I really enjoy and love Aruba for what it offers. However, as a property owner here, I am dismayed at the lack of laws and guidelines to protect pets from negligent and abusive owners.

Last evening we arrived at our home to loud and continued barking and whining fom a local neighbours property. This has contined for 24 hours. Calls to the Police were met with total indifference. We were told that there is "nothing we can do" when animals are abused or left to their own. In the case I mention here, it is a Jack Russell Terrier tied to a stake on a metal chain approx 3feet long. The dog has not been given food or water in days. This evening local animal rights folks came to look at the situation. Under the law here they cannot remove the animal (read theft) nor can they enter the property (read trespass). A letter has been filed with the owner and after a second letter can be filed,only then can steps be taken to protect ths animal. Probably, euthanasia.

Recently, I observed a young boy of approx 6yrs beating a dog with a piece of lumber. I stoped and asked why he was doing this. The answer was astounding. "This is how we train our dogs"

In these times, it would seem that the Arubian Govt would want to improve its image in all areas. A law on the correct treatment of animals would not take too much!!

With the election looming here, hopefully one one of the parties will take this into consideration.

If tourism ethics count for anything, I hope that some from this board let their feelings about animal cruelty in Aruba be known

Aquaman
 
http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/one-happy-island-but-who-12586/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2009, 01:32:40 PM
 ::MonkeyRoll::  Well, we all know there is little or no crime in Aruba....but frequent visitors are confirming burglary and theft are a 'happening' there.   They're all purchasing vaults to lock up their possessions so they won't be stolen!

http://bb.visitaruba.com/f2/wow-travel-safety-product-website-12410/


Note:  There's probably more good reading, but I MUST get some other things done around here.   You're on your own for a bit....       ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2009, 03:05:39 PM
(http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2672/argreementarubaanddutch.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
http://74.125.93.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.leeuwardercourant.nl/nieuws/binnenland/article5097634.ece/Wereldrecord%2Btv-kijken%2Bvan%2Bstart%2Bmet%2BJoran&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhart%2Bvan%2Bnederland%252B%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi6KJ5AfWkJNa5jdjWMh2ar2vPAyw

World TV watching starts with Joran
Reuters | Published on 02 September 2009, 12:20
Last updated on 02 September 2009, 12:31

AMSTERDAM --

With fresh courage and completely equipped three readers of Veronica Magazine Wednesday began their TV-watching world record attempt. The first thing Michiel Vos (20) from Den Haag, Jacco de Vries (30) from Leeuwarden and Efraim van Oeveren (28) from Tilburg were presented, was an episode of Peter R. de Vries Crime Reporter on Joran van der Sloot.

"That will give them enough adrenaline and awake time being'', said De Vries, before the starting gun fired in the building of Sound and Vision in Hilversum, where the record attempt takes place.

"When I heard that she did not live to watch television, I considered to DVD with 45 episodes over the Putten murder case for the boys to take. I have concluded that, because the jury would ever be regarded as mental torture'' joked De Vries.

The world is watching TV since April this year at 80 hours, in the name of Mr. Gupta from New Delhi. The Dutch television viewers have minimal to Saturday 18:00 to continuously gazing at the screen to break the record. They strive however to Sunday at 13:00 to sit 99 hours in which the world would come true.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:11:18 PM
http://74.125.93.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&u=http://www.leeuwardercourant.nl/nieuws/binnenland/article5097634.ece/Wereldrecord%2Btv-kijken%2Bvan%2Bstart%2Bmet%2BJoran&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhart%2Bvan%2Bnederland%252B%2522Terror%2BJaap%2522%26hl%3Den&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi6KJ5AfWkJNa5jdjWMh2ar2vPAyw

World TV watching starts with Joran
Reuters | Published on 02 September 2009, 12:20
Last updated on 02 September 2009, 12:31

AMSTERDAM --

With fresh courage and completely equipped three readers of Veronica Magazine Wednesday began their TV-watching world record attempt. The first thing Michiel Vos (20) from Den Haag, Jacco de Vries (30) from Leeuwarden and Efraim van Oeveren (28) from Tilburg were presented, was an episode of Peter R. de Vries Crime Reporter on Joran van der Sloot.

"That will give them enough adrenaline and awake time being'', said De Vries, before the starting gun fired in the building of Sound and Vision in Hilversum, where the record attempt takes place.

"When I heard that she did not live to watch television, I considered to DVD with 45 episodes over the Putten murder case for the boys to take. I have concluded that, because the jury would ever be regarded as mental torture'' joked De Vries.

The world is watching TV since April this year at 80 hours, in the name of Mr. Gupta from New Delhi. The Dutch television viewers have minimal to Saturday 18:00 to continuously gazing at the screen to break the record. They strive however to Sunday at 13:00 to sit 99 hours in which the world would come true.

(http://www.leeuwardercourant.nl/multimedia/dynamic/01212/img-020909-225_onl_1212671h.jpg)

Picture from the article...looks like they may be watching Oprah!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: jen3560 on September 02, 2009, 03:11:34 PM
Boy, Peter sure is a creative lil devil, isn't he?

Way to go DeVries!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:13:19 PM
Boy, Peter sure is a creative lil devil, isn't he?

Way to go DeVries!!

Yes he is!  I love it!    ::MonkeyDance::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 03:18:17 PM


Be back later, have a great afternoon everyone!   ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 05:53:06 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61865.php

Google translation:

Claim against Central Bank Aruba for inadequate supervision

September 2, 2009, 14:26 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/centrale-bank-_11-10-08_.gif)
The Central Bank of Aruba

ORANGE CITY - Aruba on behalf of the Stanford Foundation victims of the fraud surrounding Stanford Bank last Tuesday filed a claim with the Court of First Instance of Aruba.

This requirement stakeholders speak the Central Bank of Aruba (CBA) to under inadequate supervision. "A disastrous act so", states the indictment. This "tort" may be attributed CBA, the plaintiffs said.

The CBA is contrary to the law the status quo for years condoned, or at least failed to exercise adequate supervision, said more than twenty plaintiffs who have formed the foundation.

According to the lawyer Gabri Hoogt is mainly a practical consideration, through a foundation called a class-action construction of the CBA for justice. "This keeps the victims themselves beyond the publicity and the case is conducted by the Foundation on their behalf," said the lawyer. In a total of a small amount of 10 million U.S. dollars, according to De raised. No comment is the official position of the CBA.

Billion Fraud

Stanford Group Aruba represented by one billion U.S. bank suspected fraud. Despite the fact that the CBA had in earlier comments that they already know from the start worrying about the Aruban establishment of Stanford, but now they are prosecuted. In its earlier response had the CBA know that the Aruban Stanford establishment of any bank and therefore not under the control of the CBA State. Moreover, according to Stanford Aruba deposits from among 100,000 made florin. Had that been the case then, the CBA is able to monitor.

Despite the declaration of Stanford was later announced that the victims in Aruba florin common among the 100,000 were invested. The Hoogt find that the bank has dropped a stitch in the supervision and with this demand the bank shall also be liable.

To protect the smaller, local investor is the law on credit institutions (LTK) in this context since February adapted and investment institutions are obliged to investment amounts to 1 million florin sign. The CBA also pleaded for years for scaling up the legal amount.

Laws amended

In addition, in February, the insurance supervision law (LTV) and monitoring of money transaction companies (LTG) are modified. The changes are mainly from the inclusion of new articles that CBA "specifically the explicit power" to get the money laundering and financing terrorism. Also, the bank now oppose the appointment of an external auditor and the CBA may impose administrative penalties for violations of the laws extend LTK and LTV.

Also in February, the law also monitor the effect of trust offices. The CBA is therefore the authority grants licenses to trust offices. As already announced earlier this year, CBA is on the monetary policy move from a restrictive policy on the quantitative growth of credit to more market oriented monetary policy. The market-oriented policy focuses more on cash reserves and makes demands on the liquidity of banks. As such, the bank hopes flexible tools quickly to developments in the financial sector and economy overall to respond.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 05:55:54 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61864.php

Google translation:

Case against Electoral Council candidates MSI inadmissible

September 2, 2009, 14:22 (GMT -04:00)

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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/02-pag-03-luidens-_cm_-02-0.gif)

Under Select Raadlid Sharlin runs from the courthouse after the court by MSI members Wilson, Williams, Hanuman and Van der Linde case brought against the Council Selects inadmissible.

ORANGE CITY - The case that election candidate Cornelius Wilson (MSI) has launched this morning against the Electoral Council is inadmissible in court. Wilson and fellow candidates Ricardo Hanuman, Danny van der Linden and Michael Williams had - as citizens - an interim relief brought because they believe that the party MEP, AVP, MPA and RED must collect 500 signatures in order to participate in the elections . Although this rule in the electoral regulation states, this legislation would discriminate against the extra-parliamentary parties, said Wilson and his party. Moreover, the endorsement of extra-parliamentary parties on the list of one of them to sign not anonymous, unlike the election itself. The argument of the court to the case is inadmissible to declare that Wilson and his group do not benefit or interest in a statement. According Sharlin Under had not determined if the appellant under the flag of the MSI case had brought. "If there had been that the party had not yet received enough signatures, it would perhaps be spoken of an interest in the appellant" says Under. Choose The Council continues to draw from determining the spots on the ballots and assigning colors to the parties.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:02:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61860.php

Google translation:

ARUBA


Curpa puts God first


September 2, 2009, 14:18 (GMT -04:00)


(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/02-pag-03-curpa-presentatie.gif)

Curpa made Monday during a press conference and its slogan ten political principles known.


ORANGE CITY - The new Christian political party Curpa (Christianan Uni Reforsando Potencial e di Aruba) proposes ten principles for. One of the prerequisites is that there must be official National Day of Prayer. "Would Curpa then form a government, these ten principles in the discussion without government", said party leader Robert Anjie.

Curpa is a Christian party that focuses on the values of God. The vision of the party is an Aruba where the commandments of God and justice prevail. "If we want the Christian party norms, values and principles of God must come first," said Anjie. In this way, according to the party, the people will enjoy the blessings of God and so everyone can live in peace and harmony. Another principle of the Party: "Aruba does not agree with Dutch or international rules that go against the principles of God." According Curpa God is the only solution for salvation and Aruba and its problems.

Departure Jeffrey di Carlo
Psychologist Jeffrey di Carlo who are members of the party had declared, yesterday decided to withdraw from politics. The psychologist would take too much time and he was difficult to reconcile with his work. Di Carlo as a psychologist working in three countries, Germany, Italy and Switzerland. He just wants to temporarily concentrate on his work. "Di Carlo realized only now that the combination of his work is not politically feasible," said party leader Anjie. Di Carlo is currently in Switzerland for his work and will probably only after the vote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:04:57 PM
ARUBA
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61859.php

Google translation:

ATIA worried about public appointments

September 2, 2009, 14:17 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Employer Organization ATIA has sent a letter to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP), which her concerns about recent appointments to high government positions just before the elections.

The board of ATIA writes with "increasing concern" the publications in the media to follow on appointments of heads of department and other senior posts by the government. The organization also says employers 'indications' to have long term contracts for goods and services are entered. She asks the government to "urgently" to appoint staff and entering into contracts to hold to the next government session,. "In the interest of democracy, a new government, of any signature whatsoever, adequate financial and policy space to get transferred to their own course to sail." Daal President Stephen this morning could not understand what long-term contracts and appointments ATIA In particular care to make. Yesterday was Finance Minister Nilo Swaen (MEP) in the least known of three new directors covered by it public. It is Corinne Cabenda that head of Customs, Martijn Balkestein as director of the Central Bureau of Statistics (CBS) and Derrick Werleman the new Executive Director of Finance is.

The ATIA letter from her care, was also sent to Governor Fredis Renfunjol well as to the parliament, the cabinet and the members of the employers.

A response from government side was not available this morning.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:08:45 PM
Article from Curacao

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61845.php

Google translation:

ANTILLES

24 years for murder of Stanley Gumbs

September 2, 2009, 14:04 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - Devon C. Otto (29) was yesterday by the court in Curacao sentenced to imprisonment for 24 years including the murder of Stanley Gumbs (21). Gumbs was shot dead on March 31, 2008 outside at nightclub in Sucker Garden.

Prosecutor Rienk Mud said that the Public Ministry is not satisfied with the verdict because there was 30 years required. Sat Otto caught on Curaçao for security reasons. He will probably also serve remainder of his sentence here.

The Otto court considered not only guilty for the murder of Gumbs. He was further accused of murder, threats with a firearm, robbery with violence on American tourists, car theft and threatening a policeman and two members of the volunteer corps VKS. All these crimes took place in March and April last year.

The case against Otto started already in December 2007 when the French authorities requested his extradition for an armed robbery and rape, committed in the French part. Otto was eventually arrested in a house in St. Peters on April 10, 2008. During the search, the Ruger P95 firearm and ammunition found. This was the same weapon with which Gumbs was shot.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:12:48 PM
Article from St. Marteen

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61848.php

Google translation:

ANTILLES

Questions about fraud PVV S4

September 2, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - Hero Brinkman, Member of Parliament for the PVV, has questions about the news that the former Minister of Education of the Antilles is accused of fraud as a board member of the Foundation St. Maarten Student Support Services, Linda Richardson.

State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Van wants to know whether they agree that in the context of good governance, the Public Prosecutor of St. Maarten should investigate this matter immediately and if there are justified, should set a prosecution against Richardson. Brinkman wants to know whether the State is prepared to liaise with the Minister of Justice of the Antilles to this request. Bijleveld find that if Richardson was convicted for fraud, as she never an additional penalty in an administrative position with public money funded institution should hold and how will it initiate the State, said Brinkman.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
Article from St. Maarten

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61848.php

Google translation:

ANTILLES

Questions about fraud PVV S4

September 2, 2009, 14:07 (GMT -04:00)

PHILIPSBURG - Hero Brinkman, Member of Parliament for the PVV, has questions about the news that the former Minister of Education of the Antilles is accused of fraud as a board member of the Foundation St. Maarten Student Support Services, Linda Richardson.

State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Van wants to know whether they agree that in the context of good governance, the Public Prosecutor of St. Maarten should investigate this matter immediately and if there are justified, should set a prosecution against Richardson. Brinkman wants to know whether the State is prepared to liaise with the Minister of Justice of the Antilles to this request. Bijleveld find that if Richardson was convicted for fraud, as she never an additional penalty in an administrative position with public money funded institution should hold and how will it initiate the State, said Brinkman.

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Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 06:18:36 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61822.php

Google translation:


Bijleveld: Legal impossible for Saba order to leave West Indies

September 1, 2009, 14:56 (GMT -04:00)

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Commissioner of Constitutional Affairs Commissioner Saba Chris Johnson handed Henk Kamp (l) the letter under the watchful eye of the other commissioner Bruce Saban Zagers.

PHILIPSBURG / DEN HAAG - Saba will now be in January elections, are held in the Netherlands Antilles occurred. The island sees no other way to longer under the yoke of Curaçao and the West Indies to come. It is legally impossible for Saba to immediately step out of the Netherlands Antilles, says State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom Relations, CDA).

Bijleveld said this today in response to the question by Cynthia Ortega-Martijn (Christian Union) in the House or it just may.

Bijleveld said that Saba is the signal of 'understand'. Even Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage shows understanding. She says even years of hard work on the dismantling of the Antilles. Interior Minister Roland Duncan (NA) congratulates the island even with the step. "Saba has the right to resign. A nation may decide its own future. Since the Antilles can not stick to stabbing. "

Bijleveld sees the announcement of the island inhabitants in 1400 to now in the Netherlands Antilles as a clear signal to move and "a confirmation that we are on the right track". The island gives them Bijleveld, according to the Caribbean sea to make the political renewal, because as soon as possible Saba wants to be part of the Netherlands.
The outcome of the referendum of 2005 was, according to Saba MP Ortega-Martijn clear: it wants from the Netherlands Antilles and to reach out to the Netherlands. Saba lives, however great concern that the forthcoming elections, to delay. Bijleveld sees less reason for concern: "We continued to Sheba as soon as possible to make part of the Netherlands." Later this month the Secretary to speak further about the Netherlands Antilles Saba, then a political steering committee planned.

The target date of October 2010 is still achievable by Bijleveld. Then Curaçao and St. Maarten country status within the Kingdom. The islands Bonaire, St. Eustatius and Saba (the BES) from that moment a special municipality of the Netherlands.

Bijleveld, the written notice of Saba have not formally received and will continue later in the depth. The commissioner of Constitutional Affairs said yesterday Saba Chris Johnson would write a letter to the Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, who this morning he has presented to the Dutch commissioner-BES Henk Kamp on behalf of the College Board.

No load and flags

Saba wants after leaving the West Indies no further tax to pay the Caribbean and Antillean flags of all government buildings meet. Then other steps will be taken.
Johnson: "We must do what is necessary to obtain the status which the people of Saba in the referendum of November 2004 has chosen. What we must realize is that it does not get along with the dismantling of the Netherlands Antilles. "The commissioner stressed that Saba is ready for the new state. "Saba is the only island that the whole process was formerly a stable government."

The desire to Saba from the Antilles to act arose when Prime Minister De Jongh-Elhage announced that it will be elections held in January for the States of the Netherlands Antilles. This after the Advisory Council recommended to the Government's proposal to postpone the election, not to be in the States.


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Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 07:03:43 PM
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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 07:08:29 PM
Maybe?

http://www.soloazar.com/suplemento.php?sup=72


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Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 07:29:32 PM
http://www.facebook.com/people/Angelina-Ponson/1058425255

http://www.facebook.com/giovanni.ponson


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:07:43 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:12:40 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.









Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:25:23 PM


Feel free to jump in anytime....anyone?    ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2009, 08:28:28 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.








If that is him...he should keep his shirt on!!!!!           ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 02, 2009, 08:28:35 PM


Feel free to jump in anytime....anyone?    ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I won't jump unless Wreck jumps........ ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2009, 08:32:24 PM
TM........you have me wondering when we last saw Angelina on the club scene....in pics.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 02, 2009, 08:32:34 PM
Go ahead..... push me!! ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 02, 2009, 08:33:23 PM


Feel free to jump in anytime....anyone?    ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

I won't jump unless Wreck jumps........ ::MonkeyTease::

On second thought...I would'nt want to be blame for a torn ACL! ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 02, 2009, 08:34:46 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 02, 2009, 08:39:13 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::
Darn I'm Glad I don't Drink Diet Pepsi.....  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 02, 2009, 08:40:18 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::
Darn I'm Glad I don't Drink Diet Pepsi.....  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

Google it..Gross stuff! ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.


If that is him...he should keep his shirt on!!!!!           ::MonkeyHaHa::

Ain't that the truth!   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:49:57 PM
TM........you have me wondering when we last saw Angelina on the club scene....in pics.

I remember a pic of her and one of the K2, but that's been at least a year ago IIRC.

Seems like I've seen maybe one more of her since, but I don't think it was in a club....not sure about that though. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 08:54:15 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::
Darn I'm Glad I don't Drink Diet Pepsi.....  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

What about green beans?   ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

http://consumerist.com/5320282/walmart-frozen-green-beans-come-with-free-frog


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2009, 08:55:06 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::


I see a need for a Pepsie ad

Croak floats.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 02, 2009, 09:00:35 PM
Kermit.... ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::

Hey Kermie.Ya read the article bout the man who found a Frog/Toad in his diet pepsi??True story..Just read it! ::MonkeyEek::


I see a need for a Pepsie ad

Croak floats.

  ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 09:01:13 PM
Still tryin' to be a pimp?   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::


http://www.facebook.com/andre.m.santos?ref=search&sid=888200111.1938913356..1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 02, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
Kermit and Miss Piggy coming up on America's Got Talent! NBC Channel Kermit You Sneaky Little Frog You!   ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.








(http://i32.tinypic.com/2eumtm1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2009, 09:33:06 PM
Kermit and Miss Piggy coming up on America's Got Talent! NBC Channel Kermit You Sneaky Little Frog You!   ::MonkeyDevil2:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyWink::


 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Kermit on September 02, 2009, 09:34:47 PM
Hi BowerDawg
I was looking through my photos and came across your photo. heh heh

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 09:37:20 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.



(http://i32.tinypic.com/2eumtm1.jpg)


Thanks Kermit! ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2009, 10:07:08 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.








At some point in time, we looked at this pic and I think, we thought it was the Vianni?? guy....from a pic of Joran with the J? girl who's father was general manager of Marriott...shoot...think I need the "Klaas" brain...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2009, 10:09:25 PM
Still tryin' to be a pimp?   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::


http://www.facebook.com/andre.m.santos?ref=search&sid=888200111.1938913356..1

The fat hawaiian must have money....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 10:15:13 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.



At some point in time, we looked at this pic and I think, we thought it was the Vianni?? guy....from a pic of Joran with the J? girl who's father was general manager of Marriott...shoot...think I need the "Klaas" brain...

Yes, I remember that Buckeye!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/JillianSusannaFernando.jpg)

Jillian, Susanna, and Fernando


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 10:16:34 PM
Still tryin' to be a pimp?   ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyRoll::


http://www.facebook.com/andre.m.santos?ref=search&sid=888200111.1938913356..1

The fat hawaiian must have money....

 ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 02, 2009, 10:21:07 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.



At some point in time, we looked at this pic and I think, we thought it was the Vianni?? guy....from a pic of Joran with the J? girl who's father was general manager of Marriott...shoot...think I need the "Klaas" brain...

Yes, I remember that Buckeye!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/JillianSusannaFernando.jpg)

Jillian, Susanna, and Fernando

It would be nice to see a list of those "inside the gate" at the homecoming....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 02, 2009, 10:35:10 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.



At some point in time, we looked at this pic and I think, we thought it was the Vianni?? guy....from a pic of Joran with the J? girl who's father was general manager of Marriott...shoot...think I need the "Klaas" brain...

Yes, I remember that Buckeye!

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/JVDS/JillianSusannaFernando.jpg)

Jillian, Susanna, and Fernando

It would be nice to see a list of those "inside the gate" at the homecoming....

Yes it would!  When I saw the pic of the guy I posted about today....that day was the first thing that came to mind.  It may not be him, but I thought it was worth mentioning.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 02, 2009, 11:12:27 PM
(http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn82/texasmom_55/Joran%20Van%20der%20Sloot/JoranKIARelease.jpg)

The guy in the white t-shirt (can't find my other pics of him right now), I'm wondering if it might have been this guy.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=581971053
Thomas Schaling

From Anita's facebook friends.



(http://i32.tinypic.com/2eumtm1.jpg)


Thanks Kermit! ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyCool::    I still think he should keep his shirt on!     ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:09:57 AM
I knew Julia wouldn't miss this!   ::MonkeyDevil::

9/3/2009 Awe Mainta Page 32

http://awemainta.com/home/

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Misc%20News%2011%20092009/09032009AweMaintaPg32.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:33:48 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/th_newonnataleearubacasedavehollowayta.jpg) (http://s21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/?action=view&current=newonnataleearubacasedavehollowayta.flv)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:37:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba079.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/PersistenceAruba059.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:42:33 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/11232008OEResponsetodivedates.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:47:23 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/DatelinePersistence_TimMiller_TimTr.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:50:13 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/REMINDERS%202009/datelinetrapbo2.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:52:46 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/index.jpg)

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/REMINDERS%202009/datelinehansmosonboardpsv7.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 12:56:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/datelinenotthatfaroffshvh5.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 01:01:44 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Persistence/12302007DoubleRainbow-1-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 01:03:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ccCnL8hArW8&hl=en&fs=1&


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 01:06:52 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 01:17:06 AM


Good night cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 03, 2009, 01:43:56 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



PAULUS,THE PERPS,AMERICAN TRAITORS & DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS..

JUSTICE WILL COME IN A MATTER OF TIME,FOR EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU..

JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S!PERIOD............YOU ALL KNOW......

SUCKS TO BE YOU

TICK_TOCK

 ::MonkeyFootball::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 03, 2009, 02:21:54 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

San and 3 Guests

KEEPTHEFAITH


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 09:35:07 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 10:08:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/v/ccCnL8hArW8&hl=en&fs=1&

Eva was another talent lost much too young.  How ironically fitting, TM.  Very lovely.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 10:38:31 AM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 03, 2009, 12:00:30 PM
Hey, Where is Janet? I haven't seen her in a while. Is she on vacation???


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 12:08:28 PM
Hey, Where is Janet? I haven't seen her in a while. Is she on vacation???

Hi, cajun miracle.  Yes, Janet and family did go away.....I was thinking about her, too, but don't remember how long she said they'd be gone.  I'd have to look back to see what she told us. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 12:20:47 PM
I am off to Vancouver Island on Thursday.  We will be visiting Hubby's sister and BIL who reside in Parksville area for a night and a day and ... then it is off to visit friends who reside in Campbell River.  Hubby is hoping for a day's fishing at the Salmon Capital of the World.  Friends own a boat that my guy could only dream about in his wildest dreams.  On Sunday we will return to Victoria and spend next week at eldest son's home.  DIL begins a new job on Monday and ... for an entire week I will get the priviledge of spending one on one time bonding with my beautiful grandson who turns 3 years old at the beginning of September.  Daddy will either be working or ... fishing with Papa.

<snipped>

Janet
9:50 AM PT

 ::MonkeyBike::

Bumped for cajun miracle.....looks like she's away this week. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 06:01:46 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61904.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

"Container Port to Zeewijk as new impetus for San Nicolas'

September 3, 2009, 14:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Opposition Party MPA calls for the container port in Oranjestad not Barcadera, but Zeewijk to move. The San Nicolas for a new boost, especially now that the refinery has closed its doors, says Party leader Monica Kock.

According to her port of Zeewijk just as suitable for large container ships as of Barcadera. "The sea floor do not have to be excavated." The idea of the container port to move to San Nicolas, is part of Plan B, Kock said. The party said in July that the refinery to see coming would temporarily close. It relied on an internal memo in which the headquarters of Valero instruct all contracts of temporary workers to break. "We have been right", concludes Kock, who can not understand that the government based on the "alarming" information is not immediately prepared an emergency plan. "That we in fact did. Plan A is to ensure that the refinery, which can remain open. Plan B is if the refinery remains closed, the relocation of the container port to Zeewijk. "That is, Kock said, enough jobs for the workers now are put on the street by Valero.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 06:29:41 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



PAULUS,THE PERPS,AMERICAN TRAITORS & DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS..

JUSTICE WILL COME IN A MATTER OF TIME,FOR EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU..

JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S!PERIOD............YOU ALL KNOW......

SUCKS TO BE YOU

TICK_TOCK

 ::MonkeyFootball::


 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 03, 2009, 10:13:34 PM
I am off to Vancouver Island on Thursday.  We will be visiting Hubby's sister and BIL who reside in Parksville area for a night and a day and ... then it is off to visit friends who reside in Campbell River.  Hubby is hoping for a day's fishing at the Salmon Capital of the World.  Friends own a boat that my guy could only dream about in his wildest dreams.  On Sunday we will return to Victoria and spend next week at eldest son's home.  DIL begins a new job on Monday and ... for an entire week I will get the priviledge of spending one on one time bonding with my beautiful grandson who turns 3 years old at the beginning of September.  Daddy will either be working or ... fishing with Papa.

<snipped>



Janet
9:50 AM PT

 ::MonkeyBike::

Bumped for cajun miracle.....looks like she's away this week. 


Thanks 2NJ Appreciate the heads up.


Edit.....fixed quote within quote.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 03, 2009, 10:26:12 PM

This is a personality profile of the man who kidnapped Jaycee Duggart:
Remind you of anyone?

Take advantage of other people/cons
Grandiose/exaggerated feelings of self-importance, achievement and talents
Preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence
Huge sense of entitlement/callous
Requires constant attention and admiration
Lacks empathy/remorse/guilt
Has obsessive self-interest
Pathological liar
Need for stimulation
Impulsive/conflict with authority

Clint explains, “A guy like this, he thinks he’s the sun, and we’re the planets, and we just circle around him for his own purpose.”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 10:32:57 PM

This is a personality profile of the man who kidnapped Jaycee Duggart:
Remind you of anyone?

Take advantage of other people/cons
Grandiose/exaggerated feelings of self-importance, achievement and talents
Preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence
Huge sense of entitlement/callous
Requires constant attention and admiration
Lacks empathy/remorse/guilt
Has obsessive self-interest
Pathological liar
Need for stimulation
Impulsive/conflict with authority

Clint explains, “A guy like this, he thinks he’s the sun, and we’re the planets, and we just circle around him for his own purpose.”

 :smt115 :safe:     



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 03, 2009, 10:48:01 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 11:03:46 PM

This is a personality profile of the man who kidnapped Jaycee Duggart:
Remind you of anyone?

Take advantage of other people/cons
Grandiose/exaggerated feelings of self-importance, achievement and talents
Preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence
Huge sense of entitlement/callous
Requires constant attention and admiration
Lacks empathy/remorse/guilt
Has obsessive self-interest
Pathological liar
Need for stimulation
Impulsive/conflict with authority

Clint explains, “A guy like this, he thinks he’s the sun, and we’re the planets, and we just circle around him for his own purpose.”

(http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq107/HOPE8789/JVDSpunk.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 11:10:02 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

I agree with you Buckeye.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 03, 2009, 11:21:17 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

I agree with you Buckeye.

What a deplorable human being.   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 11:44:23 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/MamboJambo1018200801.jpg)

Found this one of Angelina, I have it dated 10/18/2008


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 03, 2009, 11:57:42 PM
Well Julia must be back at work, the internet editions of Bondia and Aruba Today are both a mess.  Some new pages mixed in with different days of old pages.  But she was sure to be "seen" on both websites.  What a joke!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2009, 12:04:59 AM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

I agree that Joran was "caught".  What kind of idiot, being is the prime suspect in an
internationally known murder investigation, would devise a plan where he would "confess"
on video camera?  Even Joran has more sense than that.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2009, 12:10:57 AM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

I agree that Joran was "caught".  What kind of idiot, being is the prime suspect in an
internationally known murder investigation, would devise a plan where he would "confess"
on video camera?  Even Joran has more sense than that.
Yeah, it is hard to fathom that Joran has ANY sense -- but NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!  ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2009, 12:16:44 AM
Well Julia must be back at work, the internet editions of Bondia and Aruba Today are both a mess.  Some new pages mixed in with different days of old pages.  But she was sure to be "seen" on both websites.  What a joke!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2009, 12:18:21 AM
O/T

Just curious on how many people counted nine months from the Angelina/Satish picture.     ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2009, 12:21:18 AM
O/T

Just curious on how many people counted nine months from the Angelina/Satish picture.     ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  ME!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 12:21:31 AM
O/T

Just curious on how many people counted nine months from the Angelina/Satish picture.     ::MonkeyLaugh::

well since you mention it!   ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 12:23:08 AM
O/T

Just curious on how many people counted nine months from the Angelina/Satish picture.     ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  ME!!

 ::MonkeyCheer3::  Glad I wasn't the only one!    ::MonkeySkate::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2009, 12:24:32 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 12:28:20 AM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

I agree that Joran was "caught".  What kind of idiot, being is the prime suspect in an
internationally known murder investigation, would devise a plan where he would "confess"
on video camera?  Even Joran has more sense than that.
Yeah, it is hard to fathom that Joran has ANY sense -- but NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!  ::MonkeyDance::

Yeah if it was a "plan", I imagine Joran wouldn't have shared about his parents planning to make an appearance on P & W to lay the groundwork for their mega lawsuit.  Among a few other things....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2009, 12:54:29 AM
Translated:

 03 September 2009

The reputation of Aruba since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway pretty tarnished
. The Westin Aruba Resort in attempts to regain positive news to come. How? A bonus of 210 EUR for married couples after a vacation at the Westin Resort Hotel return home pregnant.

http://www.missethoreca.nl/1076534/hotel/hotel-nieuwsbericht/HotelOpArubaGeeftBabybonus.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Buckeye on September 04, 2009, 01:00:33 AM
Translated (guess the marketing plan was noticed everywhere):

Aruba hotel on baby bonus shares from
Posted on September 2, 2009 - 13:55 by editor IkVader

Since Joran van der Sloot is Aruba's reputation tarnished, the island is once again frantically positive news to come. And what we have now enjoyed rich Caribbean invented? A baby bonus! If you - through a doctor's certificate - can show you during your vacation you impregnated your wife, you get a bonus of 210 euros. This coupon or you spend in the Westin Aruba Resort Hotel, the company that distributes the baby bonuses. Just to let pregnant? No problem: by Joran or his dad is surely a handy doctor's note to regulate.

http://www.ikvader.nl/redactie_ikvader/blog/hotel_deelt_babybonus_uit/2009/09/02


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 01:02:43 AM
Translated:

 03 September 2009

The reputation of Aruba since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway pretty tarnished
. The Westin Aruba Resort in attempts to regain positive news to come. How? A bonus of 210 EUR for married couples after a vacation at the Westin Resort Hotel return home pregnant.

http://www.missethoreca.nl/1076534/hotel/hotel-nieuwsbericht/HotelOpArubaGeeftBabybonus.htm

From today's Amigoe

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61911.php

Google translation:

ARUBA
 
Pregnancy Bonus at Westin Hotel

September 3, 2009, 14:53 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Westin hotel organizes from September 1 to December 19 a very special action in the foreign media attention. Couples whose wife while staying at the hotel gets pregnant, get a gift voucher of about 200 euros.

This way, you'll have a certificate from the doctor to prove that the woman while staying at the hotel has become pregnant. This voucher can then be spent at the hotel. To the right mood, the hotel also offers a special 'fertility-enhancing "menu, with special food and drinks.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 01:07:24 AM
"To the right mood, the hotel also offers a special 'fertility-enhancing "menu, with special food and drinks."


Yeah I bet there's some really special stuff on that menu...at some really special prices.   ::MonkeyWink::








Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 01:14:51 AM


They just don't get it.  No gimmick they can come up with will change the facts.  EVER!


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 04, 2009, 01:21:42 AM


They just don't get it.  No gimmick they can come up with will change the facts.  EVER!


 ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyNoNo::



No it won't change the facts....Who in the world would think up such a promotion....It's sick and just goes to show You that Aruba is full of frigging idiots and perverts......  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 01:39:19 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Gr9908.jpg)



Truth and Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 04, 2009, 04:20:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



PAULUS,THE PERPS,AMERICAN TRAITORS & DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS..

JUSTICE WILL COME IN A MATTER OF TIME,FOR EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU..

JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S!PERIOD............YOU ALL KNOW......

SUCKS TO BE YOU

TICK_TOCK

 ::MonkeyFootball::


It is not a matter of If there will be Justice for Natalee.....
It is a matter of WHEN......
Tick Tock...


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 04, 2009, 06:57:04 AM
Well Julia must be back at work, the internet editions of Bondia and Aruba Today are both a mess.  Some new pages mixed in with different days of old pages.  But she was sure to be "seen" on both websites.  What a joke!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::       (http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/16.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2009, 10:14:09 AM
O/T

Just curious on how many people counted nine months from the Angelina/Satish picture.     ::MonkeyLaugh::

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyLaugh::  ME!!

 ::MonkeyCheer3::  Glad I wasn't the only one!    ::MonkeySkate::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::  Just catching up, but have to say I did, too!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 05:34:40 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61966.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Van der Eem quite

September 4, 2009, 15:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem has been since Friday last week at large. On his release he received a heavy fine and a summons. Actually he had until tomorrow to sit down. Van der Eem was arrested last week Monday and Thursday brought before the judge. Who decided that he definitely eight days, so until tomorrow, had to sit down in connection with the investigation into the matter. Van der Eem was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially Justice that the threat very seriously and took more time wanted to find out.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 05:45:28 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61972.php

Google translation:

Radio DJ set for drug smuggling

September 4, 2009, 15:23 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
  Print this article

(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/04-aruba-dj-_24ora_-_04-09-.gif)
 
ORANGE CITY - The famous radio DJ in Dania Real FM Ryan (28) last night for seven hours in the Reina Beatrix airport arrested for drug trafficking. Dania was headed for the Netherlands Martinair flight, when customs found drugs in the false bottom of his suitcase. He was arraigned today for intentionally acting contrary to the law on narcotics. It is not yet known whether Dania remains in custody. The famous radio DJ in the evening programs presented to them on Top Real FM and FM.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 05:52:43 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61965.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Man who threatened girlfriend with machete Fri
September 4, 2009, 15:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A. Schoonen, who in August 2005 with a machete to his girlfriend had flown, was convicted for attempted assault with a weapon and sentenced to 110 days. The penalty corresponds to the period he has spent in custody and is therefore at liberty to stand Schoonen.

Too late
The Public Prosecutor (OM) was a penalty of 130 days, minus the 110 days that he had been. The remaining twenty days would be conditional. Also, Schoonen under constant supervision of probation should be. However, the court in its ruling requiring conditional sentence ignored. This as the penalty for late bringing the indictment by the OM. Schoonen's lawyer had initially demanded for even the prosecutor to dismiss for this reason. The judge gave this answer that it recently stopped by a possible decision of the Supreme Council.

Drink and pills
Schoonen had on August 4, 2005 to his girlfriend with a machete wielded N. out of hand during a fight. The nephew of N. prevented them got injured her with a crutch to partition. During the handling of the case gave Schoonen that he had many drinks and pills during the incident. President also continues to have a relationship with N. The wife several times a letter to the Public have requested to withdraw the charges because the mental state of Schoonen, says his lawyer. The judge said during the treatment according to his psychiatrist that Schoonen often blame others and explains things like playing down. Nevertheless, according to his psychiatrist he was responsible for his actions could be considered.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 06:07:12 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/CarpePicNatalee1-1.png)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!



PAULUS,THE PERPS,AMERICAN TRAITORS & DISINFORMATION SPECIALISTS..

JUSTICE WILL COME IN A MATTER OF TIME,FOR EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU..

JUSTICE WILL BE NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S!PERIOD............YOU ALL KNOW......

SUCKS TO BE YOU

TICK_TOCK

 ::MonkeyFootball::


It is not a matter of If there will be Justice for Natalee.....
It is a matter of WHEN......
Tick Tock...


 ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 06:08:44 PM
Well Julia must be back at work, the internet editions of Bondia and Aruba Today are both a mess.  Some new pages mixed in with different days of old pages.  But she was sure to be "seen" on both websites.  What a joke!

 ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


 ::MonkeyHaHa::       (http://bestsmileys.com/drinking/16.gif)

 ::MonkeyHaHa::  That's what I was thinking too!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2009, 06:59:48 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61966.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Van der Eem quite

September 4, 2009, 15:19 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Patrick van der Eem has been since Friday last week at large. On his release he received a heavy fine and a summons. Actually he had until tomorrow to sit down. Van der Eem was arrested last week Monday and Thursday brought before the judge. Who decided that he definitely eight days, so until tomorrow, had to sit down in connection with the investigation into the matter. Van der Eem was arrested for cocaine possession and threat. It is especially Justice that the threat very seriously and took more time wanted to find out.

Now they take the threat very seriously and took more time to find out......not for Natalee....why not?   Stupid azzes..... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 04, 2009, 07:02:07 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_61972.php

Google translation:

Radio DJ set for drug smuggling

September 4, 2009, 15:23 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The famous radio DJ in Dania Real FM Ryan (28) last night for seven hours in the Reina Beatrix airport arrested for drug trafficking. Dania was headed for the Netherlands Martinair flight, when customs found drugs in the false bottom of his suitcase. He was arraigned today for intentionally acting contrary to the law on narcotics. It is not yet known whether Dania remains in custody. The famous radio DJ in the evening programs presented to them on Top Real FM and FM.


Who's watching all the drugs they are confiscating these days? 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 09:48:26 PM
http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida

(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/111/m_6d383dcb294d4559b8fd7ed7623ede18.jpg)

Poentje Castro Castro
45 / Male
Santa Helena, Dutch Caribbean islands, AW
Last Login: 9/1/2009

INTERESTS
General

In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

Music

Salsa, R&B, Special Yoga, mystic ans spiritual music

Movies

The Sound of Music - The Champ - E.T - Terminator - The Passion of Christ.

Television

Larry King (excluding the Nathalie Holloway show)

Books

Cien anjos de soledad, Blood in Blood out,

Heroes

God, all mighty, the ultimate power, Jesus Christ, Lax mi, Wis nu,

DETAILS

Status:
Single

Here for:
Networking, Friends

Hometown:
Santa Helena Aruba

Orientation:
Straight

Ethnicity:
Latino / Hispanic

Religion:
Scientologist

Zodiac Sign:
Libra

Children:
Proud parent

Smoke / Drink:
No / Yes

Education:
Grad / professional school

Occupation:
TV host and producer

Blurbs:

Married and father of three. I host a TV talk show named Un Dia Den Bida (One Day Out Of The Life Of). It is broadcast on the Dutch Caribbean Islands Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao and Sint Maarten. For the last five years this special program knew the perfect and direct way to reach the harts its viewers. On this site of My Space there are also some promotional video clips, of several editions broadcast on the islands. Enjoy your view, and thank you for joining the Un Dia Den Bida crew. Saludo, Poentje Castro

Who I'd like to meet:

You.... If you have a different life. If you have a brilliant career. If you are a millionaire and wants to share your story with my viewers. If you were a drug dealer and repented for your action and can talk about it. If are suffering from a rear disease. If you are young and are the best in what you do. if you are an elder person and have gone trough an experienced life and wants to share it on TV. If you have been imprisoned for killing some one and you think that it is about time to let it out and say something to the family of the one you killed.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_3.jpg)

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_26267af7bfab4710a29e1bfe3dec56c6.jpg

(smaller version)   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_1-1.jpg)




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 04, 2009, 10:17:37 PM
http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida

(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/111/m_6d383dcb294d4559b8fd7ed7623ede18.jpg)

Poentje Castro Castro
45 / Male
Santa Helena, Dutch Caribbean islands, AW
Last Login: 9/1/2009

INTERESTS
General

In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

Music

Salsa, R&B, Special Yoga, mystic ans spiritual music

Movies

The Sound of Music - The Champ - E.T - Terminator - The Passion of Christ.

Television

Larry King (excluding the Nathalie Holloway show)

Books

Cien anjos de soledad, Blood in Blood out,

Heroes

God, all mighty, the ultimate power, Jesus Christ, Lax mi, Wis nu,

DETAILS

Status:
Single

Here for:
Networking, Friends

Hometown:
Santa Helena Aruba

Orientation:
Straight

Ethnicity:
Latino / Hispanic

Religion:
Scientologist

Zodiac Sign:
Libra

Children:
Proud parent

Smoke / Drink:
No / Yes

Education:
Grad / professional school

Occupation:
TV host and producer

Blurbs:

Married and father of three. I host a TV talk show named Un Dia Den Bida (One Day Out Of The Life Of). It is broadcast on the Dutch Caribbean Islands Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao and Sint Maarten. For the last five years this special program knew the perfect and direct way to reach the harts its viewers. On this site of My Space there are also some promotional video clips, of several editions broadcast on the islands. Enjoy your view, and thank you for joining the Un Dia Den Bida crew. Saludo, Poentje Castro

Who I'd like to meet:

You.... If you have a different life. If you have a brilliant career. If you are a millionaire and wants to share your story with my viewers. If you were a drug dealer and repented for your action and can talk about it. If are suffering from a rear disease. If you are young and are the best in what you do. if you are an elder person and have gone trough an experienced life and wants to share it on TV. If you have been imprisoned for killing some one and you think that it is about time to let it out and say something to the family of the one you killed.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_3.jpg)

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_26267af7bfab4710a29e1bfe3dec56c6.jpg

(smaller version)   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_1-1.jpg)




Is a rear disease something like hemorrhoids? ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2009, 10:22:45 PM
http://www.myspace.com/undiadenbida

(http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/111/m_6d383dcb294d4559b8fd7ed7623ede18.jpg)

Poentje Castro Castro
45 / Male
Santa Helena, Dutch Caribbean islands, AW
Last Login: 9/1/2009

INTERESTS
General

In people who are willing to help the ones in need.

Music

Salsa, R&B, Special Yoga, mystic ans spiritual music

Movies

The Sound of Music - The Champ - E.T - Terminator - The Passion of Christ.

Television

Larry King (excluding the Nathalie Holloway show)

Books

Cien anjos de soledad, Blood in Blood out,

Heroes

God, all mighty, the ultimate power, Jesus Christ, Lax mi, Wis nu,

DETAILS

Status:
Single

Here for:
Networking, Friends

Hometown:
Santa Helena Aruba

Orientation:
Straight

Ethnicity:
Latino / Hispanic

Religion:
Scientologist

Zodiac Sign:
Libra

Children:
Proud parent

Smoke / Drink:
No / Yes

Education:
Grad / professional school

Occupation:
TV host and producer

Blurbs:

Married and father of three. I host a TV talk show named Un Dia Den Bida (One Day Out Of The Life Of). It is broadcast on the Dutch Caribbean Islands Aruba, Bonaire, Curacao and Sint Maarten. For the last five years this special program knew the perfect and direct way to reach the harts its viewers. On this site of My Space there are also some promotional video clips, of several editions broadcast on the islands. Enjoy your view, and thank you for joining the Un Dia Den Bida crew. Saludo, Poentje Castro

Who I'd like to meet:

You.... If you have a different life. If you have a brilliant career. If you are a millionaire and wants to share your story with my viewers. If you were a drug dealer and repented for your action and can talk about it. If are suffering from a rear disease. If you are young and are the best in what you do. if you are an elder person and have gone trough an experienced life and wants to share it on TV. If you have been imprisoned for killing some one and you think that it is about time to let it out and say something to the family of the one you killed.

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_3.jpg)

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/l_26267af7bfab4710a29e1bfe3dec56c6.jpg

(smaller version)   ::MonkeyRoll:: ::MonkeyWink::

(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/PoentjeCastro_1-1.jpg)




Is a rear disease something like hemorrhoids? ::MonkeyCool::
AIDS??  ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 10:33:32 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

IMO, he needs someone like Debbie to help him with his spelling.  ::MonkeyJnBox::

I think he probably meant "rare" disease.  Based on his many other spelling goofs.

Seems like he would have done enough "research" on Natalee's case to at least know how to spell her name correctly.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::







Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 10:59:49 PM
http://vodpod.com/watch/523499-cnn-larry-king-live-peter-de-vries-natalee-holloway-23

http://www.youtube.com/v/96szCvEL920&autoplay=&fs=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&rel=0&autoplay=&border=0&rel=0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 04, 2009, 11:06:11 PM
http://vodpod.com/watch/523499-cnn-larry-king-live-peter-de-vries-natalee-holloway-23

http://www.youtube.com/v/96szCvEL920&autoplay=&fs=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&rel=0&autoplay=&border=0&rel=0
That is NOT a person putting on an "act". I'm not saying he was truthful about exact details -- but I certainly don't think this was a pre-planned event with Patrick. Joran is a liar -- not an actor.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 04, 2009, 11:11:53 PM
http://vodpod.com/watch/523499-cnn-larry-king-live-peter-de-vries-natalee-holloway-23

http://www.youtube.com/v/96szCvEL920&autoplay=&fs=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&rel=0&autoplay=&border=0&rel=0
That is NOT a person putting on an "act". I'm not saying he was truthful about exact details -- but I certainly don't think this was a pre-planned event with Patrick. Joran is a liar -- not an actor.

I agree. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 04, 2009, 11:51:19 PM
Just had to say HI to all of the Monkeys & have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 12:06:04 AM
Just had to say HI to all of the Monkeys & have a great weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   ::MonkeyBike::

Hi cajun miracle!   ::MonkeyDance::

I hope you have a great weekend too! 

I'm SO glad it's a long weekend!   ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 05, 2009, 12:17:10 AM
http://vodpod.com/watch/523499-cnn-larry-king-live-peter-de-vries-natalee-holloway-23

http://www.youtube.com/v/96szCvEL920&autoplay=&fs=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&rel=0&autoplay=&border=0&rel=0
That is NOT a person putting on an "act". I'm not saying he was truthful about exact details -- but I certainly don't think this was a pre-planned event with Patrick. Joran is a liar -- not an actor.

The look on his face tells me he is remembering the happenings as he relates it all to Patrick.
I hate them all.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 12:31:26 AM
http://vodpod.com/watch/523499-cnn-larry-king-live-peter-de-vries-natalee-holloway-23

http://www.youtube.com/v/96szCvEL920&autoplay=&fs=1&showinfo=0&showsearch=0&rel=0&autoplay=&border=0&rel=0
That is NOT a person putting on an "act". I'm not saying he was truthful about exact details -- but I certainly don't think this was a pre-planned event with Patrick. Joran is a liar -- not an actor.

The look on his face tells me he is remembering the happenings as he relates it all to Patrick.
I hate them all.

I hate them all too!   ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyMad:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2009, 12:34:06 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 12:35:55 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 12:38:29 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
Thanks Klaas....I was worried about You!    ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2009, 12:38:58 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 12:41:15 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
Thanks Klaas....I was worried about You!    ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks  ::MonkeyKiss::

The Haleigh and Caylee threads have been really busy.  We've had a few trouble makers and I've had to ban a couple of newly approved members that came to complain and nothing else.

Usually first thing in the morning and last thing at night I check Aruba stuff.  I go check RU and other forums and the ArubaBB, and news sites.  If there's anything that hasn't been posted I'll post it. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2009, 12:41:55 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
::MonkeyCool::
Gosh, it seems Southern California burns every year! I thought all the "underbrush" had all been burned out!  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 12:47:47 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
::MonkeyCool::
Gosh, it seems Southern California burns every year! I thought all the "underbrush" had all been burned out!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's really surprising how much undeveloped area there is in the hills.  Alot of brush and you would think there wouldn't be anything left to burn, but it grows back so quick!  Yes, every year fires, especially in the Los Angeles and San Gabriel Mountain area.

They are saying that big one, where the two firemen died was arson.   ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2009, 12:53:09 AM
Is Klaas ok with the California fires???  ::MonkeyEek::

Yep, I'm fine.  Just been busy in the other threads.  The fires aren't anywhere near me.  I think IBE and LouiseV are fine as well.  Not sure about Frank (deetch) or Hat.  I believe they both live closer to where the fires are.
::MonkeyCool::
Gosh, it seems Southern California burns every year! I thought all the "underbrush" had all been burned out!  ::MonkeyNoNo::

It's really surprising how much undeveloped area there is in the hills.  Alot of brush and you would think there wouldn't be anything left to burn, but it grows back so quick!  Yes, every year fires, especially in the Los Angeles and San Gabriel Mountain area.

They are saying that big one, where the two firemen died was arson.   ::MonkeyMad::
Natural fires are a necessary part of the cycle of Nature -- Arson is just so vile and so evil. I'm glad you are safe!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 01:08:25 AM
http://www.aruba-bb.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=74258

Island Has Become Increasingly Gay Friendly In The Last Years, But More Needs To Be Done


September 2nd 2009, Aruba.

ORANJESTAD-Aruba will experience its first Gay Pride Parade which will be held on September 13th.
Aruba Gay Rights Organization has requested to organize a Gay Pride Parade, and their petition
was recently honored. The goal of the parade is to gain recognition from politicians, and to see
which political party best meet their interest. The Gay Pride Parade will be held just 12 days before
Election Day on September 25th.

Many politicians come and sit with the gay community privately, but do not defend the gay
community publicly. Aruba is a predominantly Catholic country, and politicians may fear a loss in
votes and popularity from religious groups. It is the reason why the Aruba Gay Rights Organization
has decided to come out at a very open manner organizing a Gay Pride Parade. The intention is to
show Aruba that their vote does count, and that they are also human beings.

Aruba can be considered a gay friendly island, where there is a gay bar (Jimmy's Place), and even a
privately owned gay hotel. In the past the island was one of a few in the region to accept a gay
cruise to call in Oranjestad. Crime against persons based on their sexual preference rarely happens
in Aruba. Nevertheless the island has a long way to go in accepting gays.

Contrary to The Netherlands, gay marriage is illegal in Aruba. and married gay couples are not
allowed to register as partners in the island's civil registry. Aruba's stance on gay marriage and the
registry of gay couples has led to conflicts with The Netherlands. The Netherlands accuses Aruba
for not accepting migrant Dutch gay couples on Dutch territory, and Aruba accusing The
Netherlands of interfering with the norms and values on the island that are different than that of
the Dutch.

Aruba is the first country in the Caribbean to have an official Gay Pride Parade.


I dusted this off for the occasion   ::MonkeyDevil::


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/JoranGudoDrag.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 01:20:31 AM
Glad to hear all is well Klaas!Very sad indeed.As we all know.too many are taken far to soon,but God has his plan;)

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 01:25:20 AM
I'm glad the fires aren't in your area Klaas, I've been worried too!

I'd gone to look at your latest posts after wreck mentioned it, to see if you'd said anything about it elsewhere...and you have had your hands full!  I don't know how you do it! 

We are very blessed to have you, THANKS for all you do!

And thanks for dusting that old picture off...love it!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 01:29:52 AM
O/T All i got to say is...Watch the UW/LSU game and look for KTF!I'll be the guy in the purple & gold....I will be there,but i betcha can't find me..... ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 01:34:21 AM
I'm glad the fires aren't in your area Klaas, I've been worried too!

I'd gone to look at your latest posts after wreck mentioned it, to see if you'd said anything about it elsewhere...and you have had your hands full!  I don't know how you do it! 

We are very blessed to have you, THANKS for all you do!

And thanks for dusting that old picture off...love it!   ::MonkeyDevil::

Ditto, ditto, ditto..........the great and powerful Klaas......            ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Magnolia on September 05, 2009, 01:39:15 AM
Shoot KTF....you'll be easy to spot.  We will just look for the guy throwing bananas. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Glad to know Klaas is OK.  Can't help but worry.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 01:56:30 AM
Gotcha Hotping... ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 02:03:22 AM
Shoot KTF....you'll be easy to spot.  We will just look for the guy throwing bananas. ::MonkeyHaHa::

Glad to know Klaas is OK.  Can't help but worry.

 ::MonkeyLaugh:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 02:05:33 AM
Gotcha Hotping... ::MonkeyAngel::
  ::MonkeyWink:: ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 02:06:27 AM
Thanks Klaas and 2NJ!  ::MonkeyAngel:: ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 02:13:24 AM

Hotping, you are more than welcome.....   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm heading out...but I'll be back...haha  ...no body building emoticons...but you get the picture.      ::MonkeyDevil::     


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 02:15:24 AM
I will say this.As i'm by nature a very impatient person.It is difficult to be such but,i must remain steadfast in my belief that although there is no observable progress.Progress is being made.I have too much faith that Good will outweigh evil in the end.Look at Jaycee Dugard!Justice has not come soon enough for any of us,but i BELIEVE IT WILL COME!It sucks for those who will be on the bottom side of this gavel.THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE! ::MonkeyCool::


::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 02:20:07 AM
I will say this.As i'm by nature a very impatient person.It is difficult to be such but,i must remain steadfast in my belief that although there is no observable progress.Progress is being made.I have too much faith that Good will outweigh evil in the end.Look at Jaycee Dugard!Justice has not come soon enough for any of us,but i BELIEVE IT WILL COME!It sucks for those who will be on the bottom side of this gavel.THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE! ::MonkeyCool::


::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyGavel::



  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 02:21:15 AM

Hotping, you are more than welcome.....   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm heading out...but I'll be back...haha  ...no body building emoticons...but you get the picture.      ::MonkeyDevil::     

Good Night 2NJ!  ::MonkeyKiss:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 02:32:49 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyBike::

TM Check mail please!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 02:35:01 AM

Hotping, you are more than welcome.....   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm heading out...but I'll be back...haha  ...no body building emoticons...but you get the picture.      ::MonkeyDevil::     


Good night 2NJ!  Thanks for all you do!   ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S.  In reading around I noticed some butts still burning!   ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 02:36:15 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyBike::

TM Check mail please!

GoodNight HotPing & 2nj.You're both.. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 02:39:37 AM
Good Night All!  ::MonkeyBike::

TM Check mail please!

Good night hotping!   ::MonkeyAngel::

Done!   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Keepthefaith on September 05, 2009, 02:40:48 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH

 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. Natalee!Please forgive TM for talking papiemento to the monitor.She means well!

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


YOU ARE APPRECIATED TM


Oh.One other thing...GO DAWGS..WOOF,WOOF ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 02:41:59 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_hollowayfamilygall-550x4-2.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 02:49:21 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH

 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. Natalee!Please forgive TM for talking papiemento to the monitor.She means well!

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


YOU ARE APPRECIATED TM


Oh.One other thing...GO DAWGS..WOOF,WOOF ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::

 ::MonkeyLaugh::   

Thanks KeeptheFaith!  You are appreciated too!  More than you know I'm sure!   ::MonkeyCool::

I hope you have a great time at the  ::MonkeyFootball:: game!  I think my game to watch is on payperview!  Dangit!  My guess, we'll end up paying 29.95 to watch it if that's the only way!  Hubby was NOT very happy about that...
 
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Good night KTF!   ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: wreck on September 05, 2009, 08:32:59 AM
JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

texasmom and 1 Guest

KEEPTHEFAITH

 
 ::MonkeyAngel::

P.S. Natalee!Please forgive TM for talking papiemento to the monitor.She means well!

::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


YOU ARE APPRECIATED TM


Oh.One other thing...GO DAWGS..WOOF,WOOF ::MonkeyFootball:: ::MonkeyFootball::
Go DAWGS????????????????????????????????????? I thought we were buddies!  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyMad::  ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 05, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/MOD/modlock5.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 10:36:19 AM
 ::MonkeyCool::

(http://www.bucuticam.com/zoom3.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 10:37:51 AM

Hotping, you are more than welcome.....   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm heading out...but I'll be back...haha  ...no body building emoticons...but you get the picture.      ::MonkeyDevil::     


 ::MonkeyWeight::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 10:56:46 AM

Hotping, you are more than welcome.....   ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm heading out...but I'll be back...haha  ...no body building emoticons...but you get the picture.      ::MonkeyDevil::     


 ::MonkeyWeight::


::MonkeyHaHa::    Thank you!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 05, 2009, 12:02:27 PM
A couple of links to pictures. One Kawish and Michael. Someone smarter than I am will have to get the pictures themselves. I have tried everything I know to get them, nothing seems to work.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#677242433_146418107_102790636_0


http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#661156230_146418107_102790636_0






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 12:18:24 PM
A couple of links to pictures. One Kawish and Michael. Someone smarter than I am will have to get the pictures themselves. I have tried everything I know to get them, nothing seems to work.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#677242433_146418107_102790636_0




http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#661156230_146418107_102790636_0






(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KawishMichael1.jpg)

Kawish left, Michael D. right


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MichaelDompigDad.jpg)


Michael and his dad




Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 01:04:30 PM

Coolaruba/Gallery / Aruba Bank with Karaoke Night for the Press @ Garufa 1Sept / Aruba

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084583

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1084585&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=7d361e476b54dd76347621c249b2f523)

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084577

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1084579&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=7d361e476b54dd76347621c249b2f523)

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084652

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1084654&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=7d361e476b54dd76347621c249b2f523)


http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084505

(http://www.coolaruba.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1084507&g2_serialNumber=3&g2_GALLERYSID=7d361e476b54dd76347621c249b2f523)



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 01:07:30 PM
Thanks SuzieQ and Klaas! 

There are more pictures of the Press Night @ Garufa at this link, I didn't post them all.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084253&g2_page=1


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 01:15:37 PM
A couple of links to pictures. One Kawish and Michael. Someone smarter than I am will have to get the pictures themselves. I have tried everything I know to get them, nothing seems to work.

http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#677242433_146418107_102790636_0




http://www.hi5.com/friend/photos/displayPhotoUser.do?ownerId=146418107&artistType=&photoFuid=001340018703000WaYMp400187#661156230_146418107_102790636_0






(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/KawishMichael1.jpg)

Kawish left, Michael D. right


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/MichaelDompigDad.jpg)


Michael and his dad




Note caption under the pic of Kawish and Michael:

Quote
“me and kawish..my look a like.COUSIN!”


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: SuzieQ on September 05, 2009, 03:22:45 PM
That is what caught my eye also. I wonder if they are really cousins? Nothing would surprise me.

Klaas, how did you do that? I tried saving them, emailing them, downloading them, printing them, and it wouldn't  let me.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 03:30:30 PM
That is what caught my eye also. I wonder if they are really cousins? Nothing would surprise me.

Klaas, how did you do that? I tried saving them, emailing them, downloading them, printing them, and it wouldn't  let me.

They were weird.  I finally had to so a screen capture of the photo, that was the only way.  ::MonkeyCool::

Edited to add:  I used my muscles  ::MonkeyWeight::

needed an excuse to show off the new monkey I made this morning  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 05, 2009, 03:50:29 PM
Thanks SuzieQ and Klaas! 

There are more pictures of the Press Night @ Garufa at this link, I didn't post them all.   ::MonkeyRoll::

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1084253&g2_page=1

...I think I shall (http://bestsmileys.com/puking/5.gif) but I loveeeeeee this  ::MonkeyWeight:: LMFAO!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 04:18:56 PM
That is what caught my eye also. I wonder if they are really cousins? Nothing would surprise me.

Klaas, how did you do that? I tried saving them, emailing them, downloading them, printing them, and it wouldn't  let me.

They were weird.  I finally had to so a screen capture of the photo, that was the only way.  ::MonkeyCool::

Edited to add:  I used my muscles  ::MonkeyWeight::

needed an excuse to show off the new monkey I made this morning  ::MonkeyCool::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 05, 2009, 04:36:37 PM
Hi TM and Guests!  ::MonkeyBike:: Just wanted to say I Hope Everyone has a Safe and Happy Labor Day Weekend!  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Anna on September 05, 2009, 04:59:05 PM
That is what caught my eye also. I wonder if they are really cousins? Nothing would surprise me.

Klaas, how did you do that? I tried saving them, emailing them, downloading them, printing them, and it wouldn't  let me.


Good afternoon, all.

SuzyQ, they probably are cousins or related in some way.  We know Dompig is the uncle of the Kalpoes and that Kawish is also related to them, cousin I think.  So there is some connection there I do believe.  That would make those two maybe cousins once removed?  Not sure but there is a connection.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 05:11:07 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 05:14:12 PM
cajun miracle,

If you check in today.....I saw Tamikosmom logged in this afternoon!!   


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:05:23 PM
Hi TM and Guests!  ::MonkeyBike:: Just wanted to say I Hope Everyone has a Safe and Happy Labor Day Weekend!  ::MonkeyCheer4::

Hope you have a great weekend too hotping!   ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:07:11 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62031.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

New immigration head arrested

September 5, 2009, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Chu Rincones was last night arrested on suspicion of illegal possession of firearms. In the past two weeks was in the house of the ex-policeman broke. During the investigation the police found was a firearm. One of the other occupants of the house would have transferred to agents.

Rincones spent several weeks in itself abroad for medical treatment. The police went directly to the investigation of why this weapon in the house, because none of the residents also Rincones not in possession of a firearms certificate. Inquiries showed that the gun actually belonged to Chu Rincones, currently is awaiting a certificate of good conduct in order as new head of immigration to get started in the airport. Reportedly, the loyal campaigner for Justice Minister Rudy Croes at the time of the call of the Public Ministry to the public several years ago to supply weapons to the police, the firearm in his possession received.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:13:00 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62032.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Parades September 20 canceled

September 5, 2009, 13:48 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The parades of the political party MEP and AVP on September 20 were canceled. This made the police chief Peter White announced yesterday afternoon. Both MEP and AVP given the opportunity on that day to hold an event simultaneously on each other remote places.

The chief was the decision in consultation with both parties made. "Our position was that the security and access for emergency services in those circumstances could not guarantee. These run the emotions of supporters in both parties and parades during this high, this difficulty to bring together as they would encounter. We saw both sides also. "In the last week the White held secret talks with representatives of both parties. "Ultimately they are the proposal to their leaders gone. Both shall have signed, "said White. Part of the deal is that both AVP and MEP to urge their supporters to do especially on their own initiative to keep illegal processions. Earlier this week, hinting at the chief television had a scenario where both sides would withdraw their parades and the option could take one event at a fixed location.

Rioting
The decision to both major parties for a permit for a parade on September 20 was controversial from the start. The day after the publication gave the white police chief to know the licenses to consider. Both parades were so long that each encounter would be inevitable, with serious consequences. Following riots during previous parades of MEP and AVP gave the supervisory body Comisión Bon Boluntad (CBB) earlier this week also a negative opinion. The committee, which White is also a member of, gave it up to even want to see the traditional parada's now abolished, since they have no information value for the voters and only lead to controversy and provocation.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:17:56 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62028.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Foundation Adopt an Addict explains cooperation with Republic of Domincaanse

September 5, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Foundation Adopt an Addict within one years has helped 96 addicts them to the rehab HogaresCrea in the Dominican Republic to send. It was drug and alcohol addicts who had undergone a prolonged treatment. There were also addicts who refused to follow the treatment and subsequently returned back to Aruba.

The foundation focuses not only on the treatment of addicts but also on the aftercare that they need to undergo when they returned to their normal lives back. For this treatment to give the foundation is currently building a house, where addicts can stay at this objective. In this post-treatment clinic. afkickers learn to lead a normal life again under supervision. It is intended that they can function normally again below in society. The treatment at the rehab HogaresCrea lasts 18 to 24 months. Here the addict learns his or her personality develop again. HogaresCrea has more than 44 houses for addicts to house and treat. Each year they have approximately 1,700 new clients. From 1700 to follow about 600 the entire program. The Foundation Adopt an Addict, the director of HogaresCrea, Osiris Frias, invite to the island together to discuss new ideas and better address addiction problems.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:23:55 PM
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62026.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Beveiliger Valero robbery

September 5, 2009, 13:43 (GMT -04:00)

SAN NICOLAS - A saver of the Valero refinery is brutally attacked. This happened in the night from Thursday to Friday at the entrance of the refinery at Zeewijk. The saver would by several men were dragged out of his patrol car after he had seen them. They beat and kicked him and went away with his wallet containing among others have just received salary of 1500 florin. Also they left his keys containing the master keys to the refinery complex. One suspects that these are copper thieves are in search for the desired metal to this by selling at exorbitant prices in Venezuela.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 08:34:58 PM
Article from Bonaire

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_62023.php

Google translation:

French Veenhof sworn in as judge

September 5, 2009, 13:37 (GMT -04:00)

Email this article
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(http://www.amigoe.com/artman/uploads/05-antillen-bon-veenhof-rec_001.gif)


French Veenhof (left) and Eunice Saleh who hofpresident Lisbeth Hoef Wire for.
Kralendijk - Bonaire yesterday for the first time in its history, its own court. French Veenhof Bonaire was installed as a new member of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba. Until recently flew a weekly court of Curacao or Aruba to Bonaire to right to speak. That was Eunice Saleh.

Veenhof (1949) was between 1992 and 1995 even though Judge of the Court, but when he worked from Curaçao. Before that he worked as a judge in Alkmaar. In recent years Veenhof spoke right in Haarlem.

Veenhof is appointed for a maximum period of 1.5 years. Due to the small size of the island (14,000 inhabitants), the lack of contact with other judges and the absence of a good library including the period is deliberately kept short.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 09:07:02 PM


If I remember correctly billb comes home today!   ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer3:: ::MonkeyCheer2::
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 09:18:51 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Caylee Anthony had 41 candles when I checked last.....thanks to those who repeatedly light the way for Natalee, but it would be nice to see more.  A moment in thought is all it takes. 



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 09:27:16 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

Natalee's Candles

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Caylee Anthony had 41 candles when I checked last.....thanks to those who repeatedly light the way for Natalee, but it would be nice to see more.  A moment in thought is all it takes. 



Thanks for reminding us 2NJ!   ::MonkeyHeart::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 10:03:33 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

It is my belief if Joran's attorney is going to do any suing it will be the Aruban Law Enforcement that will be at the end of a lawsuit.  According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I would not be surprised if Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing are distanced.

Case Closed!!

Janet

++++++


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 10:10:20 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

It is my belief if Joran's attorney is going to do any suing it will be the Aruban Law Enforcement that will be at the end of a lawsuit.  According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I would not be surprised if Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing are distanced.

Case Closed!!

Janet

++++++


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Welcome back, Janet.  You were missed. 

Dutch news and Amigoe......where'd they get their story from?   I guess I just don't know anymore. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 10:19:16 PM
Have been reading around.  Some say Joran and Patrick had a plan.  Interesting that Joran's lawyer considered suing DeVries (for copy write of hidden camera "confession"). Seems to me, if it was all a plan for money, one's lawyer would want to stay clear of a judge and courthouse.  Makes more sense to me, that Joran was "caught" on hidden camera.

Google translation:

Amsterdam - Bert Rooij, the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, is examining the possibility of Peter R de Vries to court dragging. The crime reporter would be broadcast on the Holloway case infringed the copyright of Joran van der Sloot.

The court there was no copyright-protected material. The Supreme Court however said last May that the tapes are indeed copyright protected. "The expressions of someone they are protected, if someone else uses that infringe on your copyright, De Rooij said in an interview. "De Vries took a hidden camera by a confession from Joran. If there is an infringement then of course we consider a compensation," reported The Press

De Vries says in the TV guide to see the claim would be welcomed. The crime reporter believes that De Rooij, "to better engage the infringements Joran has committed to the young life of Natalee Holloway," said De Vries. "A lawsuit is a good time to further explain the behavior of Joran to ask."

Dumped at sea

Natalee Holloway vanished in Aruba three years ago. Van der Sloot told a hidden camera that he indeed knew of the disappearance of American student. Holloway became unwell during lovemaking by Joran. Together with a friend he would have dumped her body into the sea.
 


http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/2366386/__Joran_sleept_De_Vries_voor_de_rechter__.html?p=1,1

It is my belief if Joran's attorney is going to do any suing it will be the Aruban Law Enforcement that will be at the end of a lawsuit.  According to the following articles ... the Aruban "powers that be" were in on or had knowlege of the hidden recording of Joran van der Sloot.

I would not be surprised if Joran himself was in on the hoax ... the hoax meant to appease the family of Natalee Holloway and make the Natalee Holloway case a distance memory in the minds of Americans.  Think about it.  Joran was a minor on May 30, 2005.  Disposal of a body would warrant a slap on the wrist.  An unknown accomplice would be a non issue.  The Kalpoes who could implicate Paulus and the sons of the elite in the events encompassing the morning an eighteen year old American went missing are distanced.

Case Closed!!

Janet

++++++


Arubans wary of fifth car trip in Holloway case
Monday 25 February 2008

 
Dutch tv crime reporter Peter R de Vries set up a fifth car trip to try and get Joran van der Sloot to confess to murdering US teenager Natalee Holloway after the Aruban public prosecution department said the original four recordings did not contain enough evidence, the Volkskrant reported on Saturday.
 
Aruban officials told De Vries and his team at a secret hotel meeting that the tapes did not contain enough new evidence, the paper says in a reconstruction of events surrounding the tv programme which claimed to solve the mystery of her disappearance.

Aruban public prosecutor Hans Mos told the paper he did not want to have anything to do with the extra car trip because he was afraid it could be construed as entrapment and blow the case.
 
The final car trip with Van der Sloot and his 'friend' Patrick van der Eem took place on January 29 in a borrowed car which had been hastily kitted out with recording equipment, the paper said. The original had already been sold.

During that trip, Van der Sloot said he was not sure if Natalee had been dead when a friend dumped her body at sea.  After the press release was issued claiming the case had been solved but without giving any further details, De Vries told the paper he hoped that Van der Sloot would again phone his 'friend'.
 
But website VKMag picked up a page on De Vries' website which identified Van der Sloot. The page had been prepared for release after the programme was aired on Sunday but had gone live by mistake.

http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2008/02/arubans_wary_of_fifth_car_trip.php


Wednesday, February 06, 2008
Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD – The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joran’s lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.   Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with ‘a lot of trouble’.  “But that is going to change”, said an insider in the OM.  “A BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.”

http://amigoe.com/english/


Welcome back, Janet.  You were missed. 

Dutch news and Amigoe......where'd they get their story from?   I guess I just don't know anymore. 

Thanks 2NJ.

Where did De telegraaf Binnenland get the story from in the article Buckeye submitted.

I would assume that one theory is as good as another in our speculations based on media reporting.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 05, 2009, 10:30:03 PM
cajun miracle,

If you check in today.....I saw Tamikosmom logged in this afternoon!!   



Thanks 2NJ. Hope she is well and rested.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
cajun miracle,

If you check in today.....I saw Tamikosmom logged in this afternoon!!   



Thanks 2NJ. Hope she is well and rested.

Thanks cajun miracle

Just minutes prior to leaving for our getaway to Vancouver Island ... my youngest son called and his wife had been admitted to hospital.  She had a miscarriage ... the second in a year.  We stayed home for a couple of days to be support.  However ... DIL parents drove across the line and filled that roll by staylng at their home.  With heavy hearts hubby and I left for the Island on Monday.  We had committed ourselves to looking after three year old grandson for a week as Mom began a new job.  Daycare kicks in next week.  We did have a very special week with K. while at the same time keeping in constant touch with younger son and wife.  My heart breaks for them.  I feel so helpless.

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 10:50:14 PM
Janet,

I'm sorry for your son and DIL's loss.   ::MonkeyWaa::    I can imagine how you felt having other obligations.  Having been throuigh one miscarriage, I remember well the feelings.  I hope the future holds some good things for them.

My questions regarding the source of the articles was just an effort to stir the pot....

Klaas will have to make another emoticon for that!!!



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 10:58:34 PM
Janet,

I'm sorry for your son and DIL's loss.   ::MonkeyWaa::    I can imagine how you felt having other obligations.  Having been throuigh one miscarriage, I remember well the feelings.  I hope the future holds some good things for them.

My questions regarding the source of the articles was just an effort to stir the pot....

Klaas will have to make another emoticon for that!!!



So many hopes and dreams ... gone.  I am sorry for you 2NJ.

Considering this is DIL's second miscarriage ... she will be going through tests prior to getting pregnant again in an attempt to pinpoint the problem.  Outwardly ... she looks great.  She eats healthy and exercises daily.  Other than a little big queasy in the morning for about a month ... she felt good.  It doesn't make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:02:55 PM
As Beth stated in the Larry King video I posted last night, there is much more to the story than we've seen from the portions of the hidden camera confession of Joran Van der Sloot to Patrick Van der Eem.  Those statements do confirm that Joran was quite possibly one of the last people to see Natalee alive.  From his statements to Patrick, he wasn't even sure she was dead when he called Daury to help him get rid of her.  Natalee had never had a seizure before, if she indeed suffered one that night it was probably because she had been drugged, and violently attacked IMO.  Other statements that Joran made during his conversations with Patrick confirm that much more happened that night than he had admitted before. 

I would assume that even in Dutch law, disposing of a live human being who is unconscious or in a coma, is not viewed quite the same as disposing of a body.  Surely it is at least considered the equivalent to manslaughter.

Joran's conversations with Patrick don't eliminate or distance any of the suspects for me, I know in my heart that the complete story has yet to be told.  JMO

It is also my opinion based on many responses I've read following the Lifetime Natalee Holloway movie, that Joran's statements to Patrick have not made Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba a distant memory for many Americans. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:05:50 PM
Janet,

I'm sorry for your son and DIL's loss.   ::MonkeyWaa::    I can imagine how you felt having other obligations.  Having been throuigh one miscarriage, I remember well the feelings.  I hope the future holds some good things for them.

My questions regarding the source of the articles was just an effort to stir the pot....

Klaas will have to make another emoticon for that!!!



So many hopes and dreams ... gone.  I am sorry for you 2NJ.

Considering this is DIL's second miscarriage ... she will be going through tests prior to getting pregnant again in an attempt to pinpoint the problem.  Outwardly ... she looks great.  She eats healthy and exercises daily.  Other than a little big queasy in the morning for about a month ... she felt good.  It doesn't make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


So sorry to hear of your family's loss Janet.   ::MonkeyWaa::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 11:10:43 PM
Janet,

I'm sorry for your son and DIL's loss.   ::MonkeyWaa::    I can imagine how you felt having other obligations.  Having been throuigh one miscarriage, I remember well the feelings.  I hope the future holds some good things for them.

My questions regarding the source of the articles was just an effort to stir the pot....

Klaas will have to make another emoticon for that!!!



So many hopes and dreams ... gone.  I am sorry for you 2NJ.

Considering this is DIL's second miscarriage ... she will be going through tests prior to getting pregnant again in an attempt to pinpoint the problem.  Outwardly ... she looks great.  She eats healthy and exercises daily.  Other than a little big queasy in the morning for about a month ... she felt good.  It doesn't make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Following my miscarriage, I had two healthy sons....doc told me when something is wrong, these things happen....not all seeds in a package come up when planted.  As I said before, hopefully better outcomes will be be in the future...I wish them & you the best.



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 05, 2009, 11:12:47 PM
As Beth stated in the Larry King video I posted last night, there is much more to the story than we've seen from the portions of the hidden camera confession of Joran Van der Sloot to Patrick Van der Eem.  Those statements do confirm that Joran was quite possibly one of the last people to see Natalee alive.  From his statements to Patrick, he wasn't even sure she was dead when he called Daury to help him get rid of her.  Natalee had never had a seizure before, if she indeed suffered one that night it was probably because she had been drugged, and violently attacked IMO.  Other statements that Joran made during his conversations with Patrick confirm that much more happened that night than he had admitted before. 

I would assume that even in Dutch law, disposing of a live human being who is unconscious or in a coma, is not viewed quite the same as disposing of a body.  Surely it is at least considered the equivalent to manslaughter.

Joran's conversations with Patrick don't eliminate or distance any of the suspects for me, I know in my heart that the complete story has yet to be told.  JMO

It is also my opinion based on many responses I've read following the Lifetime Natalee Holloway movie, that Joran's statements to Patrick have not made Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba a distant memory for many Americans. 

Nicely said, TM.....I hope you are right about the memory of Natalee Holloway for Americans. 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 11:26:43 PM
Peter Devries had it all figured out.  Only Joran would take the fall but in all likelyhood would not be held accountable.

Janet

++++++


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCEIVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that is the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 11:34:25 PM
Janet,

I'm sorry for your son and DIL's loss.   ::MonkeyWaa::    I can imagine how you felt having other obligations.  Having been throuigh one miscarriage, I remember well the feelings.  I hope the future holds some good things for them.

My questions regarding the source of the articles was just an effort to stir the pot....

Klaas will have to make another emoticon for that!!!



So many hopes and dreams ... gone.  I am sorry for you 2NJ.

Considering this is DIL's second miscarriage ... she will be going through tests prior to getting pregnant again in an attempt to pinpoint the problem.  Outwardly ... she looks great.  She eats healthy and exercises daily.  Other than a little big queasy in the morning for about a month ... she felt good.  It doesn't make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Following my miscarriage, I had two healthy sons....doc told me when something is wrong, these things happen....not all seeds in a package come up when planted.  As I said before, hopefully better outcomes will be be in the future...I wish them & you the best.



2NJ

I believe that like you DIL and son will eventually welcome children into their lives but ... right now they both hurt so much while attempting to stay strong for one another.  Their hurt is my hurt.

Hey ... my faith is being testing.  While hubby is willing to accept God's Will even when his heart is breaking ... I tend to take a while to bow.  I can talk the talk to others but when it comes to walking the walk in my own life ... I fall short.  I am still harboring a lot of anger inside that I have not shared until this moment.

texasmom ... thank you.

Good Night All!

Janet
8:35 PM PT


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 11:39:58 PM
Peter Devries had it all figured out.  Only Joran would take the fall but in all likelyhood would not be held accountable.

Janet

++++++


02 - 15 - 2008 / 11:30 a.m. (G.M.T.)

NO REARREST FOR JORAN: HOW DO YOU
EXPLAIN THAT TO HER RELATIVES.....?

Joran van der Sloot will not be rearrested for his role in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, according to a decision handed down by the Court on Aruba last night. This is not altogether surprising, considering an earlier pronouncement by the examining judge that the case is now technically ‘on appeal’, but it is difficult to explain. The main problem is that Dutch law does not provide for detention on remand for disposing of a body. It is indeed an offence which carries a maximum penalty of six months imprisonment, but one can’t be kept in custody pending such a sentence.

- INCOMPREHENSIBLE AND INCONCEIVABLE -

If, during the drives, Joran had admitted to doing something to Natalee, this would imply a different – more serious – offence, which would indeed have allowed for detention on remand.

However legally correct this may be, this approach remains incomprehensible and inconceivable to Natalee’s relatives. During five separate drives, Joran admitted to being present when Natalie died, that he didn’t go for help but rather had her body dumped in the ocean so that the police and her relatives could never find out what happened. As soon as the detectives’ investigations showed that he certainly must have been involved in the disappearance however, he chose to lie to the world in a despicable manner about his actions and movements on the night concerned.

- REWARD FOR SABOTAGING INVESTIGATION -

It is a bitter pill to swallow – one that I have also come across in other cases – where a suspect has disposed of a body and managed to get off scot-free. Why does one dispose of the body? It is almost invariably to prevent the police from establishing exactly what happened to the person, usually because an offence has been committed. Also, for intentionally sabotaging the resulting investigation, one isn’t punished but rather rewarded because one cannot be arrested. What is just is not always fair. I will try to explain the logic of this to Beth Holloway, Natalee’s mother, but I doubt I will succeed.

In addition, the Court on Aruba stated that it’s ‘impression’ that Joran is a systematic liar further underpinned its decision. Usually, the fact that someone tells a pack of lies in a case concerning life and death should be a valid reason on its own to arrest the suspect, if only for the opportunity to get to the bottom of the matter.

- ADMISSION WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE? -

One of the things that Joran is certainly lying about is that his admissions in the car were made under the influence of marijuana. I must reiterate that Joran constantly admitted his role during five separate drives. During some of them, he did indeed smoke a joint, as is his habit. However, the TV footage shows clearly that during some of the drives he did NOT smoke, or did so only AFTER Natalee’s case was discussed. And never for a single moment did Joran say anything during a subsequent drive to intimate that last time, he had been stoned and had sprouted a lot of hot air. On the contrary. Each time, Joran reconfirmed his involvement in the disappearance, augmenting his confessions with new details. And during this frequently repeated account while ‘under the influence’, he also provided precise responses to the unanswered questions that police and justice still have in this case.

Moreover, anyone who has ever smoked marijuana knows that it effect does not prompt you to admit to unsolved crimes. Where that is the case, police stations in the Netherlands and elsewhere would be overflowing.

- INVESTIGATION CONTINUES-

For all clarity, the fact that Van der Sloot has not been taken into custody on remand does not mean that the judicial investigation against him has come to an end. Far from it. The Public Prosecutor is working hard on the case in which Joran van der Sloot is still prime suspect.

Peter R. de Vries

 


http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-norearrest.htm


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 05, 2009, 11:43:26 PM
As Beth stated in the Larry King video I posted last night, there is much more to the story than we've seen from the portions of the hidden camera confession of Joran Van der Sloot to Patrick Van der Eem.  Those statements do confirm that Joran was quite possibly one of the last people to see Natalee alive.  From his statements to Patrick, he wasn't even sure she was dead when he called Daury to help him get rid of her.  Natalee had never had a seizure before, if she indeed suffered one that night it was probably because she had been drugged, and violently attacked IMO.  Other statements that Joran made during his conversations with Patrick confirm that much more happened that night than he had admitted before. 

I would assume that even in Dutch law, disposing of a live human being who is unconscious or in a coma, is not viewed quite the same as disposing of a body.  Surely it is at least considered the equivalent to manslaughter.

Joran's conversations with Patrick don't eliminate or distance any of the suspects for me, I know in my heart that the complete story has yet to be told.  JMO

It is also my opinion based on many responses I've read following the Lifetime Natalee Holloway movie, that Joran's statements to Patrick have not made Natalee Holloway's disappearance in Aruba a distant memory for many Americans. 
I completely agree TM......


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:45:11 PM



Good night Janet.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:46:39 PM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::

I'm so glad you're back!  Hope you had a good trip! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 05, 2009, 11:47:00 PM
cajun miracle,

If you check in today.....I saw Tamikosmom logged in this afternoon!!   



Thanks 2NJ. Hope she is well and rested.

Thanks cajun miracle

Just minutes prior to leaving for our getaway to Vancouver Island ... my youngest son called and his wife had been admitted to hospital.  She had a miscarriage ... the second in a year.  We stayed home for a couple of days to be support.  However ... DIL parents drove across the line and filled that roll by staylng at their home.  With heavy hearts hubby and I left for the Island on Monday.  We had committed ourselves to looking after three year old grandson for a week as Mom began a new job.  Daycare kicks in next week.  We did have a very special week with K. while at the same time keeping in constant touch with younger son and wife.  My heart breaks for them.  I feel so helpless.

Janet
My prayers to your son and DIL Janet.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 05, 2009, 11:50:56 PM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::

I'm so glad you're back!  Hope you had a good trip! 
I did. Thanks TM..
I logged on a couple times from Guam but it was late late for the night crew....all were sleeping safely in their monkey nests...Guam a day ahad and 17 hours ahead of California (PT) time...



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: billb's daughter on September 05, 2009, 11:53:27 PM
I hope all good monkeys are having a Great Labor Day weekend....
We are here for the duration aruba.....Justice for Natalee will be served......
Tick Tock.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:57:51 PM


Hi billb!   ::MonkeySlide::

I'm so glad you're back!  Hope you had a good trip! 
I did. Thanks TM..
I logged on a couple times from Guam but it was late late for the night crew....all were sleeping safely in their monkey nests...Guam a day ahad and 17 hours ahead of California (PT) time...



Yes, it was nice to see that you'd been here.   ::MonkeyCool::   I'm glad you had a good trip!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 05, 2009, 11:59:26 PM
I hope all good monkeys are having a Great Labor Day weekend....
We are here for the duration aruba.....Justice for Natalee will be served......
Tick Tock.....

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: 2NJSons_Mom on September 06, 2009, 12:09:37 AM
I hope all good monkeys are having a Great Labor Day weekend....
We are here for the duration aruba.....Justice for Natalee will be served......
Tick Tock.....

Thank you, billb...Glad you are back on the mainland.  We are here for the duration....Yes, indeedy....

I am preparing for Labor Day celebrations and also an out of town trip.  I do hope you all keep on keeping on while I'm out of the loop.  I know you will be here.....

I'll be back.......haha      ::MonkeyWeight::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 12:11:50 AM
Janet...My Thoughts and Prayers are with You and Your Family!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 12:13:08 AM
Hi billb......Glad to see You are Safely Back from Your trip.... ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 12:14:46 AM
I hope all good monkeys are having a Great Labor Day weekend....
We are here for the duration aruba.....Justice for Natalee will be served......
Tick Tock.....

(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)
Thanks billb! And Thanks TM for the Tick Tock Clock....... ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:17:01 AM
I hope all good monkeys are having a Great Labor Day weekend....
We are here for the duration aruba.....Justice for Natalee will be served......
Tick Tock.....

Thank you, billb...Glad you are back on the mainland.  We are here for the duration....Yes, indeedy....

I am preparing for Labor Day celebrations and also an out of town trip.  I do hope you all keep on keeping on while I'm out of the loop.  I know you will be here.....

I'll be back.......haha      ::MonkeyWeight::

We'll miss you 2NJ!  Hope all your activities are both relaxing and fun!   ::MonkeyCool::



Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 12:23:17 AM
cajun miracle,

If you check in today.....I saw Tamikosmom logged in this afternoon!!   



Thanks 2NJ. Hope she is well and rested.

Thanks cajun miracle

Just minutes prior to leaving for our getaway to Vancouver Island ... my youngest son called and his wife had been admitted to hospital.  She had a miscarriage ... the second in a year.  We stayed home for a couple of days to be support.  However ... DIL parents drove across the line and filled that roll by staylng at their home.  With heavy hearts hubby and I left for the Island on Monday.  We had committed ourselves to looking after three year old grandson for a week as Mom began a new job.  Daycare kicks in next week.  We did have a very special week with K. while at the same time keeping in constant touch with younger son and wife.  My heart breaks for them.  I feel so helpless.

Janet




Janet, That is so sad and my prayers go out to them. Glad you were able to the island. Have a good rest this weekend.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:25:47 AM
 ::MonkeyRoll::

The gimmicks continue......

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/ultimate-bet-to-give-away-mercedes-at-aruba-poker-classic-4759/

Ultimate Bet to Give Away Mercedes at Aruba Poker Classic

By Jessica Welman for POKER NEWS DAILY | Posted on September 04, 2009

The Ultimate Bet-sponsored Aruba Poker Classic is only a month away and the online poker room recently announced a new incentive to persuade players to take a Caribbean vacation come October. As part of the tournament festivities celebrating the site’s tenth anniversary and the eighth year of the Aruba event, Ultimate Bet added a ten-handed Sit & Go in which the winner will walk away with a brand new Mercedes Benz ML-350 sport utility vehicle.

For players interested in participating in the Mercedes-Benz tournament, there are a couple of different ways to earn a seat. Ultimate Bet will be hosting a $200 + $15 online satellite at 9:30PM ET on Sunday September 27th that will award seats to the top five finishers. In addition to winning an entry into the live event, the five satellite winners will also receive $2,000 to go towards travel expenses. This is an open event available to every customer on Ultimate Bet.

Four other seats will be doled out to those players that have already won a prize package into the Aruba Poker Classic Main Event. The satellite for those who have already won their way to Aruba will also be held on the 27th and will kick off at 5:30PM. The buy-in is $500 + $30 and only the top four finishers will earn entry into the Mercedes giveaway tournament. Each seat in the special live event is valued at $6,200.

The tenth and final spot in the Sit & Go has already been procured by an unnamed Ultimate Bet customer who was willing to fork over 1.5 million UltimatePoints in order to buy their way directly into the unique event.

The Mercedes Giveaway tournament is set to take place on October 9th at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino and Spa. It will run the same day as Day 4 of the $5000 + $500 buy-in Main Event. There are several other side tournaments taking place at this year’s event. The preliminary events kick off on October 3rd with a $500 + $40 No Limit Hold’em event in addition to round the clock satellite events. The first of the two starting days for the Aruba Poker Classic Main Event is Monday October 5th and the final table is set to play out on Saturday October 10th. Noted tournament director Matt Savage will be overseeing the Main Event action.

Ultimate Bet is also offering some Aruba contestants the opportunity to win an extra $10 million. Any player who is able to conquer all ten of Ultimate Bet’s STEPS satellites and manages to win the Aruba Main Event as well will earn $10 million in addition to the first place prize money. Step 1 is a Sit & Go with a $.10 buy-in while a victory in Step 10 will earn players an Aruba prize package valued at $8,500.

Last year’s Aruba Poker Classic Main Event drew 551 entrants and featured a final table lineup that included Allie Prescott, online pro Jeff “jpapola” Papola, Swedish player Johan Storakers and the event’s 2008 Champion Matt Brady. Brady earned a cool $1 million for his victory which is his largest career score to date. Other past Aruba winners include Freddy Deeb, Juha Helppi, Full Tilt Pro Erick Lindgren and Travis “TravestyFund” Rice.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 12:26:33 AM
Billb, Glad to see that your back from your trip. Aruba can just sit with the TICK TOCK!!! We're here forever.   ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 12:30:47 AM
Wreck is not even in his chair tonight. He must be watching my team win! Geaux!!!!! LSU!!  Oooops I'm O/T   ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:40:45 AM
Wreck is not even in his chair tonight. He must be watching my team win! Geaux!!!!! LSU!!  Oooops I'm O/T   ::MonkeyLaugh::


::MonkeyFootball::

I think I might have just seen KTF!  A lone Washington fan (white sweatshirt with Washington on it) jumping up and down like crazy in the midst of a whole bunch of LSU fans! 

Be careful KTF!  Those LSU fans may turn on ya! 

 ::MonkeyDevil::

No more O/T for me...I'll be good.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:51:35 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/55.jpg)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 12:51:46 AM
Wreck is not even in his chair tonight. He must be watching my team win! Geaux!!!!! LSU!!  Oooops I'm O/T   ::MonkeyLaugh::


::MonkeyFootball::

I think I might have just seen KTF!  A lone Washington fan (white sweatshirt with Washington on it) jumping up and down like crazy in the midst of a whole bunch of LSU fans! 

Be careful KTF!  Those LSU fans may turn on ya! 

 ::MonkeyDevil::

No more O/T for me...I'll be good.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Yea, He's there at that game. How many more till we switch over????      ::MonkeyFootball::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:55:33 AM
Wreck is not even in his chair tonight. He must be watching my team win! Geaux!!!!! LSU!!  Oooops I'm O/T   ::MonkeyLaugh::


::MonkeyFootball::

I think I might have just seen KTF!  A lone Washington fan (white sweatshirt with Washington on it) jumping up and down like crazy in the midst of a whole bunch of LSU fans! 

Be careful KTF!  Those LSU fans may turn on ya! 

 ::MonkeyDevil::

No more O/T for me...I'll be good.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Yea, He's there at that game. How many more till we switch over????      ::MonkeyFootball::

Eleven after this one I think! 


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 12:56:40 AM
 ::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 12:59:03 AM
::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:01:08 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!





Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:02:36 AM
::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Coming back to the subject. Has anyone heard where Urine has been the past few months??


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:04:22 AM



::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


It's coming.....         
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:04:34 AM
::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::




Coming back to the subject. Has anyone heard where Urine has been the past few months??
Good Question.....


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:05:38 AM



::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


It's coming.....         
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)


Yep, JUSTICE IS coming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And LSU IS winning!!!!!         ::MonkeyCheer3::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:06:57 AM



::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


It's coming.....         
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)
Good One TM!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:07:58 AM
I think We're Going to Need a Mod Soon!  ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:10:11 AM
I think We're Going to Need a Mod Soon!  ::MonkeyBike::

This may take forever. Where's the night crew????


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:10:57 AM
::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Coming back to the subject. Has anyone heard where Urine has been the past few months??

No idea, I just hope he's constantly looking over his shoulder wherever he is.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:11:26 AM
HI San!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2009, 01:11:50 AM
I think We're Going to Need a Mod Soon!  ::MonkeyBike::

Mods are here.  Klaas will get the lock.  ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:11:57 AM
::MonkeyWeight:: And a One and A two.....  ::MonkeySlide::  ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Coming back to the subject. Has anyone heard where Urine has been the past few months??

No idea, I just hope he's constantly looking over his shoulder wherever he is.   ::MonkeyCool::


He sure IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: San on September 06, 2009, 01:12:12 AM
HI San!  ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hi hotping.


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: hotping on September 06, 2009, 01:12:14 AM
Hi Klaas!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:12:47 AM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b258/texasmom55/Natalee/Natalee_Grad00o9.jpg)



Truth & Justice for Natalee!






Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: cajun miracle on September 06, 2009, 01:13:06 AM
Hi Klaas!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Ready!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 06, 2009, 01:13:37 AM
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub5/moderator%20pics/MODLOCK1.gif)

Please move to NCD# 824 (unbelievable)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5922.0


Title: Re: Natalee Case Discussion #823 8/13/09 -
Post by: texasmom on September 06, 2009, 01:13:51 AM



::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyGavel:: ::MonkeyJustice::


It's coming.....         
(http://www.animationplayhouse.com/grandclock1.gif)