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Missing, Exploited and True Crime => Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09 => Topic started by: Nut44x4 on July 29, 2009, 08:05:09 AM



Title: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 - 9/28/09
Post by: Nut44x4 on July 29, 2009, 08:05:09 AM
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LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 26, 2009, 07:45:43 PM
Thank you Nutt


Praying for you sweet Lindsey

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Toler on August 26, 2009, 09:16:35 PM
Amber Alert Continues: After two months, search continues for McCleary girl
The Daily World (Aberdeen WA) ^ | 8/26/09

Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:56:18 PM by llevrok



Two months ago today, 11-year-old Lindsey Baum headed out the door of her friend’s house in McCleary and never made it the few short blocks to her own home.

After weeks of endless searching, family members and investigators have found no trace of the outgoing brown-haired Girl Scout. But they continue to rally support and pursue clues as the days drag on.

“We’re continuing to follow up on leads,” Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said Tuesday. “Things are a long way from a dead end.”

National missing child assistance organizations, KlaasKIDS Foundation and the Laura Recovery Center, also plan to host a community meeting at 7 p.m. Thursday in McCleary to coordinate renewed search efforts.

Baum disappeared June 26 while walking a short distance along Maple Street late in the evening. The 4-foot-9 girl was wearing a light blue hooded shirt and jeans at the time.

Two neighbors spotted her about halfway home, but never saw anything suspicious. Despite a massive search involving multiple law enforcement agencies, investigators have found no evidence explaining her disappearance.

A KlaasKIDS Foundation news release said new searchers and volunteers will gather Thursday night at the McCleary Community Center on Simpson Avenue to learn more about the organizations and sign up for weekend search parties.

The organization said volunteers will also be able to sign up between 9:30 a.m. and 4 p.m. on Friday for search area assignments. All volunteers must be at least 18 years old with photo identification.

The organizations stated they hope local businesses or families can donate bottled water, office supplies or copying facilities. For information on making donations, call the Laura Recovery Center at 1-866-898-5723.

Scott said investigators from the Sheriff’s Office, the McCleary Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation met Tuesday to compare notes and discuss available resources.

“The case shows progress,” he said, stating detectives at a minimum have ruled out many possibilities.

Scott said the planned weekend searches are separate from law enforcement efforts, but he hopes they may be able to find something new.

Viable leads still trickle in on the disappearance, he said. Several detectives remain dedicated to the case full-time, but obviously worry about lost clues and fading memories as the weeks pass.

The public has continued to offer as much cooperation as possible, Scott said, and detectives still work the case as hard as they did two months ago.

Law enforcement officials are asking anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum to come forward with tips. Tips can be made by phone at 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail at soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 27, 2009, 06:06:12 AM
Amber Alert Continues: After two months, search continues for McCleary girl
The Daily World (Aberdeen WA) ^ | 8/26/09

Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:56:18 PM by llevrok



Two months ago today, 11-year-old Lindsey Baum headed out the door of her friend’s house in McCleary and never made it the few short blocks to her own home.

After weeks of endless searching, family members and investigators have found no trace of the outgoing brown-haired Girl Scout. But they continue to rally support and pursue clues as the days drag on.

“We’re continuing to follow up on leads,” Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott said Tuesday. “Things are a long way from a dead end.”

National missing child assistance organizations, KlaasKIDS Foundation and the Laura Recovery Center, also plan to host a community meeting at 7 p.m. Thursday in McCleary to coordinate renewed search efforts.

Baum disappeared June 26 while walking a short distance along Maple Street late in the evening. The 4-foot-9 girl was wearing a light blue hooded shirt and jeans at the time.

Two neighbors spotted her about halfway home, but never saw anything suspicious. Despite a massive search involving multiple law enforcement agencies, investigators have found no evidence explaining her disappearance.

A KlaasKIDS Foundation news release said new searchers and volunteers will gather Thursday night at the McCleary Community Center on Simpson Avenue to learn more about the organizations and sign up for weekend search parties.

The organization said volunteers will also be able to sign up between 9:30 a.m. and 4 p.m. on Friday for search area assignments. All volunteers must be at least 18 years old with photo identification.

The organizations stated they hope local businesses or families can donate bottled water, office supplies or copying facilities. For information on making donations, call the Laura Recovery Center at 1-866-898-5723.

Scott said investigators from the Sheriff’s Office, the McCleary Police Department and the Federal Bureau of Investigation met Tuesday to compare notes and discuss available resources.

“The case shows progress,” he said, stating detectives at a minimum have ruled out many possibilities.

Scott said the planned weekend searches are separate from law enforcement efforts, but he hopes they may be able to find something new.

Viable leads still trickle in on the disappearance, he said. Several detectives remain dedicated to the case full-time, but obviously worry about lost clues and fading memories as the weeks pass.

The public has continued to offer as much cooperation as possible, Scott said, and detectives still work the case as hard as they did two months ago.

Law enforcement officials are asking anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum to come forward with tips. Tips can be made by phone at 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail at soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us.



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Thank you Toler


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 10:59:38 AM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on August 27, 2009, 11:21:34 AM
 ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Welcome to Scared Monkeys Cluemaster!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 11:52:34 AM
::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: Welcome to Scared Monkeys Cluemaster!!!!!!  ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance:: ::MonkeyDance::
WELCOME and that is interesting info


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on August 27, 2009, 12:51:33 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

Live in boyfriend!!  This is huge!!

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Why has this info not been revealed before?

Thanks Cluemaster.

Janet

++++++



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

Welcome Cluemaster !   You don't happen to know what line of work Mr. Duncan is in, do you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 02:09:11 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

Anyone: I am still a newbie here...is it OK for me to post a pic of this person mentioned by Cluemaster? Personally, I don't like my first visual impression of the guy... I also found his stated occupation and other personal info to be quite of interest... ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on August 27, 2009, 02:42:53 PM
I'm not sure MonkeyinSC, my first thought is post & the mods can remove if inappropriate.  But thats just me, act first - think later ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 02:53:53 PM
I'm not sure MonkeyinSC, my first thought is post & the mods can remove if inappropriate.  But thats just me, act first - think later ::MonkeyRoll::

LOL !!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm a newbie and I don't want to do something that is obvious to others as a big no-no and get kicked outta the cage yet.. I just got here ! ;) ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on August 27, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
I'm not sure MonkeyinSC, my first thought is post & the mods can remove if inappropriate.  But thats just me, act first - think later ::MonkeyRoll::

LOL !!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm a newbie and I don't want to do something that is obvious to others as a big no-no and get kicked outta the cage yet.. I just got here ! ;) ::MonkeyConfused::

I put a shout out to Nut in the Caylee thread, hopefully she'll come over and give you the go-a-head.  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on August 27, 2009, 03:34:11 PM
I'm pretty sure you can post it. Just don't include telephone or social security numbers (even partial numbers are a no-no).


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 03:38:32 PM
I'm not sure MonkeyinSC, my first thought is post & the mods can remove if inappropriate.  But thats just me, act first - think later ::MonkeyRoll::

LOL !!  ::MonkeyDance::

I'm a newbie and I don't want to do something that is obvious to others as a big no-no and get kicked outta the cage yet.. I just got here ! ;) ::MonkeyConfused::

I put a shout out to Nut in the Caylee thread, hopefully she'll come over and give you the go-a-head.  ::MonkeyWink::
Thank you so much for your help, lovinlife !!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 03:47:13 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

This is what I sleuthed, some info deleted (children names, etc)

I am not able to figure out how (or if I'm allowed, since I'm new) to post a pic, so instead I will just give the link below for the picture... the other info is there as well.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:y7lcwH89JfoJ:www.timberline89.com/class_profile.cfm%3Fmember_id%3D1429654+mark+duncan+timberline+high&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Birthday:     February 22, 1971
Mark Duncan

Last Updated:     July 10, 2009 <--- date rings a bell with me for some reason

Residing In:     Elma, WA USA

Spouse/Partner:     Melissa McCann <--- supposed best friend of MB, LB's mom

Occupation:  Realtor <--- would know his way around the area, backroads, in the dark, etc

Children:     (deleted)   2 girls,  10 and 12 years old <-- friends of LB perhaps? would she willingly go with their dad?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 04:12:04 PM
MonkeyinSC thank-you, very interesting  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on August 27, 2009, 04:25:50 PM
MonkeyinSC thank-you, very interesting  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you No Rose !


This is purely IMO, me thinking like a 10-yr old:

I'm walking home at night, and I'm scared of the dark, and I'm upset cuz I got in a fight with my brother, and I'm upset because I can't sleepover at my friends' house--- and my mom's best friends' boyfriend pulls up in a car offering me a ride home, I would probably--scratch that--i would definitely--get in the car, not even thinking twice about it. It was someone I "know" , not a "stranger"... and I don't live far from here, it'll only take a minute for him to drive me over there, so I'll be ok... ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 04:36:07 PM
MonkeyinSC thank-you, very interesting  ::MonkeyCool::

Thank you No Rose !


This is purely IMO, me thinking like a 10-yr old:

I'm walking home at night, and I'm scared of the dark, and I'm upset cuz I got in a fight with my brother, and I'm upset because I can't sleepover at my friends' house--- and my mom's best friends' boyfriend pulls up in a car offering me a ride home, I would probably--scratch that--i would definitely--get in the car, not even thinking twice about it. It was someone I "know" , not a "stranger"... and I don't live far from here, it'll only take a minute for him to drive me over there, so I'll be ok... ::MonkeyNoNo::
I would also, and not think a thing about it. I really do believe Lindsey knew the person, and I also believe someone saw something, just my gut feelings.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 05:47:20 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

Anyone: I am still a newbie here...is it OK for me to post a pic of this person mentioned by Cluemaster? Personally, I don't like my first visual impression of the guy... I also found his stated occupation and other personal info to be quite of interest... ::MonkeyEek::

I don't mind you posting his photo if his photo was found online like from his Myspace or Facebook.  In other words, if he has already put it out there.  If the photo is something someone took without his knowledge, then maybe not a good idea. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 27, 2009, 06:03:56 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

This is what I sleuthed, some info deleted (children names, etc)

I am not able to figure out how (or if I'm allowed, since I'm new) to post a pic, so instead I will just give the link below for the picture... the other info is there as well.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:y7lcwH89JfoJ:www.timberline89.com/class_profile.cfm%3Fmember_id%3D1429654+mark+duncan+timberline+high&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Birthday:     February 22, 1971
Mark Duncan

Last Updated:     July 10, 2009 <--- date rings a bell with me for some reason

Residing In:     Elma, WA USA

Spouse/Partner:     Melissa McCann <--- supposed best friend of MB, LB's mom

Occupation:  Realtor <--- would know his way around the area, backroads, in the dark, etc

Children:     (deleted)   2 girls,  10 and 12 years old <-- friends of LB perhaps? would she willingly go with their dad?



http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTIwNDU5OTY1


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 06:22:31 PM
Thanks, this guy looks like a real winner  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: rebelgirl901 on August 27, 2009, 07:10:31 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::  First impression.....This guy gives me the creeps.....I get the feeling that he feels he is God's gift to women.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 27, 2009, 07:14:39 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....
I have been checking into Mark Duncan some.I thought it was odd he was a supposedly a great real estate agent who just suddenly stopped being a RE agent.
This page below says the house on Summit Lake RD was reverted(foreclosed?)....whatever that means.

7172.20036  12310 Summit Lake Road Northwest  Olympia WA 98502 Reverted to Lender  08/07/2009   
 
http://www.usa-foreclosure.com/printResults.aspx?c=Thurston&s=WA&sN=Washington



 
 
 
   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 07:35:57 PM
::MonkeyNoNo::  First impression.....This guy gives me the creeps.....I get the feeling that he feels he is God's gift to women.


Exactly


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 27, 2009, 07:36:27 PM
Summit Lake Farm

Tom & Reitha Andersen

12310 Summit Lake Rd

Olympia, WA 98502

(360) 866-8879

summitlakefarm@reachone.com

http://academic.evergreen.edu/curricular/farmtotable/ResourceGuide/OtherLO.htm
 ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 07:36:32 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....
I have been checking into Mark Duncan some.I thought it was odd he was a supposedly a great real estate agent who just suddenly stopped being a RE agent.
This page below says the house on Summit Lake RD was reverted(foreclosed?)....whatever that means.

7172.20036  12310 Summit Lake Road Northwest  Olympia WA 98502 Reverted to Lender  08/07/2009   
 
http://www.usa-foreclosure.com/printResults.aspx?c=Thurston&s=WA&sN=Washington



 
 
 
   

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 27, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&resnum=0&q=12310+Summit+Lake+Road+NW,Olympia+WA&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&ei=AxiXSqfTD4Gx8Qauw42fDA&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1

Where the A is is where the house is on the map.Sure is close to McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 07:51:27 PM
Hello, I am writing the pieces of a puzzle that I have already sent to the authorities:
Melissa Pierpoint-Baum is childhood friends with Melissa McCann.
Both Melissa's attended Timberline High in Lacey,WA the same time as Mark Duncan.
Mark Duncan has Aspergers Syndrome.
One of Mark's legitimate daughters has Aspergers.
Lindsey Baum's Brother Josh has Aspergers.
Mark and Melissa McCann have an illegitimate baby together.
Melissa McCann owns the Elma Dollar Store in Elma,WA.
Lindsey and Mark both have worked at the Elma (aka Tazmanian) Dollar Store.
Melissa McCann was at the Baum house the night of the disappearance.
Does this sound odd to you, or am I watching too many detective shows?

This information was found on sites such as:
Facebook,Myyearbook,myspace,timberline89,timberline90,crimesearchersonline,and this site. Search Mark D. Duncan, Melissa McCann or Cassidy Red, and Melissa Pierpoint-Baum and you will find the same details.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 08:02:22 PM
Hi everyone,
This was my response from a website put together by Melissa McCann according to herself on her blogs.  I sent the list of tidbits and was surprised by the response. The site is was Lindseybaum.com, with a contact e-mail of Lindseybaumgroup.com.  I hope the authorities look at the e-mails I have sent detailing all of this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 27, 2009, 08:03:48 PM
Hello, I am writing the pieces of a puzzle that I have already sent to the authorities:
Melissa Pierpoint-Baum is childhood friends with Melissa McCann.
Both Melissa's attended Timberline High in Lacey,WA the same time as Mark Duncan.
Mark Duncan has Aspergers Syndrome.
One of Mark's legitimate daughters has Aspergers.
Lindsey Baum's Brother Josh has Aspergers.
Mark and Melissa McCann have an illegitimate baby together.
Melissa McCann owns the Elma Dollar Store in Elma,WA.
Lindsey and Mark both have worked at the Elma (aka Tazmanian) Dollar Store.
Melissa McCann was at the Baum house the night of the disappearance.
Does this sound odd to you, or am I watching too many detective shows?

This information was found on sites such as:
Facebook,Myyearbook,myspace,timberline89,timberline90,crimesearchersonline,and this site. Search Mark D. Duncan, Melissa McCann or Cassidy Red, and Melissa Pierpoint-Baum and you will find the same details.

Whooooa!
Thank you Cluemaster.I'm trying to get the image you posted smaller so I can read it better.Are we sure Melissa McCann was at Lindsey's house the night she disappeared?
I was wondering if one of those witnesses that saw Lindsey was Melissa McCann.
Lindsey's Mom said one of the witnesses was a co worker and the one who sent Josh home after the bike fight(when the kids were on their way to KK's house)was a family friend.I was wondering if the family friend witness was also the co worker witness.
Lot's to think about now....maybe MM was at Melissa Baum's house that night but she left before Lindsey got home.
I have to go now but welcome to scaredmonkeys and I hope you stay to share anything with us.
Praying for Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 08:09:13 PM
Thank you for input, I will send the scanned letters if you write me at Cluemaster2468@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 08:13:20 PM
One correction:
The contact e-mail for Lindseybaum.com is Lindseybaumgroup@Hotmail.com.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 27, 2009, 08:30:31 PM
Cluemaster, wow, very interesting indeed, I never heard that Melissa McCann was at the Baum residence that night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 09:09:15 PM
These are tidbits from websites and blogs listed above. I know Mark's wife and met him a few times at their now foreclosed house. He is very anti-social and ignores his two daughters like strangers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 27, 2009, 09:34:51 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

So who is Mark Duncan in all of this ? It is a common name.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 10:12:24 PM
How many Mark D. Duncans live with Melissa McCann, childhood friend of Lindsey's mother?..Check my other posts....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 27, 2009, 10:29:44 PM
How many Mark D. Duncans live with Melissa McCann, childhood friend of Lindsey's mother?..Check my other posts....
i Cluemaster, and welcome.  How do we know that Melissa was at the Baums that night?  If all true, the clues do fit!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 10:51:01 PM
Hello, the comment was found on a blog site, maybe this one or crimesearchersonline.com.  I will post it's exact location soon, but it is just a tidbit, which I cannot guarantee to be true, that's why I call them tidbits, not facts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 27, 2009, 11:25:48 PM
There is a phrase on crimesearchersonline.com...try Blog timeline for July 4,2009 concerning Lindsey Baum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 12:01:38 AM
Melissa McCann's denial in the scanned letter stating that Mark never owned a Mazda Navaho could be half true. He stole his wife's identity to buy it new.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 01:24:00 AM
There is a phrase on crimesearchersonline.com...try Blog timeline for July 4,2009 concerning Lindsey Baum.

http://crimesearchersonline.com/index.php?option=com_myblog&show=Timeline-and-more-details-emerge-in-Lindsey-Baum-case.html&Itemid=60


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on August 28, 2009, 01:31:04 AM
Hello Cluemaster - and welcome to the cage!

Your info is EXTREMELY interesting & valuable - we would all like to be able to really read it . . . Could you please re-size the images of the emails etc. (much smaller!) and re-post them so that we can actually read them? It is virtually impossible to do so right now - very frustrating . . . Let me know if you need help with resizing . . . would be glad to do so!

Thank you so much!


Strike That - - - thought I should maybe be a kinder gentler monkey - LOL - resized them for you (hope I did it right!) Hope that's ok - just trying to help out a newbie!

And thank you again for jumping in with some fresh new ideas!

EDIT:  I resized all 3 that cluemaster posted for you    ::MonkeyCool::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey3.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on August 28, 2009, 01:33:03 AM
OK - so, that totally didn't work!!!!!! so so so sorry!

Klaas - HELP! Could you please delete the mess I just posted?

I am so sorry. Just trying to help. Ugh.

Fixed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 28, 2009, 09:47:00 AM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

This is what I sleuthed, some info deleted (children names, etc)

I am not able to figure out how (or if I'm allowed, since I'm new) to post a pic, so instead I will just give the link below for the picture... the other info is there as well.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:y7lcwH89JfoJ:www.timberline89.com/class_profile.cfm%3Fmember_id%3D1429654+mark+duncan+timberline+high&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Birthday:     February 22, 1971
Mark Duncan

Last Updated:     July 10, 2009 <--- date rings a bell with me for some reason

Residing In:     Elma, WA USA

Spouse/Partner:     Melissa McCann <--- supposed best friend of MB, LB's mom

Occupation:  Realtor <--- would know his way around the area, backroads, in the dark, etc

Children:     (deleted)   2 girls,  10 and 12 years old <-- friends of LB perhaps? would she willingly go with their dad?



http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTIwNDU5OTY1
just for info he updated his my yearbook info and is stating that 'cluemaster' is a crack pot....looks like we got a live one. ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 10:17:59 AM
Here is my response from Findlindseybaum.com., concerning the response of Lindseybaum.com., which is run by Melissa McCann according to her personal blogs.
I am wondering if she wrote both messages as " feel free " is used to end both responses.
If she has something to hide, should she be in charge of the donation P.O. Box 1124 in Elma,WA where cards, money, and paypal amounts meant for a good cause are going? Should be in charge where incriminating tips can be deleted at her will? How many tips could be gone forever?
* I'm not a crackpot, anyone can find this information as similar minds on this site have shown. I hope the search planned today ends with breaking news.
I have no accusations, just information.
Serendipity: Good luck in making unexpected and fortunate discoveries. ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 28, 2009, 12:11:32 PM
Cluemaster I don't think you are a crackpot, actually you brought forward some very interesting info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 12:27:17 PM
Thank you,
The only thing I could ask for is someone to make a list of links to their websites and blogs to condense all information here, just a click away.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 12:49:06 PM
lol I was on Doubledeckers site and found the comment left by this man regarding cluemaster, knew I would find this person here. Hi Cluemaster, I find your comments interesting. First off, you state that Mark Duncan has aspergers, do you know if he has been formally diagnosed as having it or was he self diagnosed?

This man has hit my radar...what I am afraid of is he has put one over on the mom and girl friend. How many times do we hear, oh he/she was a nice person, wouldn't hurt a fly, now way could he/she have done it.

The response posted is strange because it is so hostile. I don't think it is from MB. I wonder who wrote that response....To say he never met Lindsey or Josh, that is a bit unrealistic don't you think? If MB and MM are best friends and MM lives with this man, then you would think they have met, especially given the fact there is the commonality of autism. I doubt these words.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 01:08:28 PM
I am not Mark's doctor, but I know he is on medication for Aspergers. Here is another badly spelled response from a site that should be professional about any tip.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2009, 01:19:18 PM
Thank you,
The only thing I could ask for is someone to make a list of links to their websites and blogs to condense all information here, just a click away.

Lindsey Baum ~ Photos, Maps and Links

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5580.msg863426#msg863426

I started the above thread a while back.  Anyone can add links and etc. there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 01:22:36 PM
To read oversized scanned pages, click on the blue jpg text on the bottom left corner of the page. I do not know the trick for reducing, sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on August 28, 2009, 01:25:39 PM
Mufy Bee -

Thank you SO very much for helping me with that post!!!!! Was truly only trying to help . . . then felt like SUCH an idiot . . . Ugh.   :smt101

Thank you for coming to my rescue! Much appreciated ma'am.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
Mufy Bee -

Thank you SO very much for helping me with that post!!!!! Was truly only trying to help . . . then felt like SUCH an idiot . . . Ugh.   :smt101

Thank you for coming to my rescue! Much appreciated ma'am.


Klaasend helped you out with that, Tams.  She's a real gem.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on August 28, 2009, 01:42:20 PM
cluemaster~  If you think you have a lot of links that you would be posting in Lindsey Baum's thread, I can try to rework the thread I referenced a few minutes ago.  (Before we get much farther).  It is currently listed as photos, maps and links.  Do you want a thread with just links?  I can make that thread up and see if there are any in the combined thread, and move them over.  After that, it will be up to you and others to post links into the thread.  I do that when I am reading and have time, but it's been a bit busy lately, so it helps a lot if when you post in the regular Lindsey thread, you also go to the link thread (if you have a link you want to post)  and put it there also.  Otherwise, I may miss it when reading, since it's hard to read every post (even though I wish I could). 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
medication for aspergers? Interesting, do you know what is the med? There are several meds given for various things so I am interested if you know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 03:12:07 PM
Sorry I do not know the name of the medication. I heard that it made him very puffy for awhile.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on August 28, 2009, 03:18:55 PM
Wow! Let me get this straight. 

Cluemaster knows that Melissa McCann was at LB's home the night she disappeared (despite her denial that she was not), and Mark Duncan, who is Melissa McCann's boyfriend, was not only considered a suspect in the Green River Killings, he actually knew the Green River Killer....... 

Implying that Melissa McCann, Melissa Baum's best friend, may possibly be the wrong person to handle donations and that she also may be deleting incriminating tips at her will is also something I'm sure LE appreciates the heads up on.

Wow 

Just Wow -





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 03:28:27 PM
I am listing tidbits, not proven facts, as I am hundreds of miles away from the McCleary area. It is up to professionals to use the gathered information, not me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 28, 2009, 04:21:33 PM
Wow! Let me get this straight. 

Cluemaster knows that Melissa McCann was at LB's home the night she disappeared (despite her denial that she was not), and Mark Duncan, who is Melissa McCann's boyfriend, was not only considered a suspect in the Green River Killings, he actually knew the Green River Killer....... 

Implying that Melissa McCann, Melissa Baum's best friend, may possibly be the wrong person to handle donations and that she also may be deleting incriminating tips at her will is also something I'm sure LE appreciates the heads up on.

Wow 

Just Wow -




Since I was quite interested in the Green River killings, reading different articles, book, I'm sitting here going  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyEek:: Just WOW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 05:05:06 PM
Wow! Let me get this straight. 

Cluemaster knows that Melissa McCann was at LB's home the night she disappeared (despite her denial that she was not), and Mark Duncan, who is Melissa McCann's boyfriend, was not only considered a suspect in the Green River Killings, he actually knew the Green River Killer....... 

Implying that Melissa McCann, Melissa Baum's best friend, may possibly be the wrong person to handle donations and that she also may be deleting incriminating tips at her will is also something I'm sure LE appreciates the heads up on.

Wow 

Just Wow -





REMINDER - everyone has their own opinions and ideas.  Please do not necessarily trust everything you read on the internet. 

I don't know who Cluemaster is any more than I know who are. 

I personally trust only that which is researched personally by myself and seen by my own eyes.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 05:10:47 PM
cluemasters if you don't mind could you please explain how you know these people? Do you know them personally or through others? I find what you say interesting. Also, you say you are hundreds of miles away so you are not in WA? Did you at one time come from there?

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 28, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

This is what I sleuthed, some info deleted (children names, etc)

I am not able to figure out how (or if I'm allowed, since I'm new) to post a pic, so instead I will just give the link below for the picture... the other info is there as well.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:y7lcwH89JfoJ:www.timberline89.com/class_profile.cfm%3Fmember_id%3D1429654+mark+duncan+timberline+high&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us


Birthday:     February 22, 1971
Mark Duncan

Last Updated:     July 10, 2009 <--- date rings a bell with me for some reason

Residing In:     Elma, WA USA

Spouse/Partner:     Melissa McCann <--- supposed best friend of MB, LB's mom

Occupation:  Realtor <--- would know his way around the area, backroads, in the dark, etc

Children:     (deleted)   2 girls,  10 and 12 years old <-- friends of LB perhaps? would she willingly go with their dad?



http://www.myyearbook.com/?mysession=cmVnaXN0cmF0aW9uX3Byb2ZpbGUmdXNlcmlkPTIwNDU5OTY1
just for info he updated his my yearbook info and is stating that 'cluemaster' is a crack pot....looks like we got a live one. ::MonkeyEek::
i didn't mean i thought cluemaster was a crack pot and the live one i was refering to was Mark considering he's been reading 'cluemaster' somewhere....sorry for any confuzzlement.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 05:42:58 PM
I am connected to Mark through his wife being a Girl Scout leader. The information found on the internet is more important than my stats. I will reveal myself to the media if my tips to the authorities lead to an arrest. The Grays Harbor Sheriff and FBI have had my list for a week now, days before I joined this blog.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 28, 2009, 05:48:45 PM
I am connected to Mark through his wife being a Girl Scout leader. The information found on the internet is more important than my stats. I will reveal myself to the media if my tips to the authorities lead to an arrest. The Grays Harbor Sheriff and FBI have had my list for a week now, days before I joined this blog.
   ::MonkeyCool:: Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 06:01:52 PM
Are you connected to Mark? My previous response from lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com started with lol also, with most of the text lowercase, and you are the only one that cares who I am.
lol I was on Doubledeckers site and found the comment left by this man regarding cluemaster, knew I would find this person here. Hi Cluemaster, I find your comments interesting. First off, you state that Mark Duncan has aspergers, do you know if he has been formally diagnosed as having it or was he self diagnosed?

This man has hit my radar...what I am afraid of is he has put one over on the mom and girl friend. How many times do we hear, oh he/she was a nice person, wouldn't hurt a fly, now way could he/she have done it.

The response posted is strange because it is so hostile. I don't think it is from MB. I wonder who wrote that response....To say he never met Lindsey or Josh, that is a bit unrealistic don't you think? If MB and MM are best friends and MM lives with this man, then you would think they have met, especially given the fact there is the commonality of autism. I doubt these words.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 28, 2009, 07:13:31 PM
Hello Cluemaster - and welcome to the cage!

Your info is EXTREMELY interesting & valuable - we would all like to be able to really read it . . . Could you please re-size the images of the emails etc. (much smaller!) and re-post them so that we can actually read them? It is virtually impossible to do so right now - very frustrating . . . Let me know if you need help with resizing . . . would be glad to do so!

Thank you so much!


Strike That - - - thought I should maybe be a kinder gentler monkey - LOL - resized them for you (hope I did it right!) Hope that's ok - just trying to help out a newbie!

And thank you again for jumping in with some fresh new ideas!

EDIT:  I resized all 3 that cluemaster posted for you    ::MonkeyCool::



(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey2.jpg)

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/Lindsey3.jpg)
Much better....thank you Tams!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 07:25:44 PM
 Not quite sure why you are asking if I am connected to Mark, however I have never heard of the guy that is why I am trying to figure this out.

I think it is a valid to question how you came about this information, after all there are a lot of things you are saying which could be important leads and clues, if they are true of course (to be fair). You state you know him through his wife, they are divorcing? right? Something about girl scouts connects you. Ok maybe you are friends with the ex, that is ok god knows I know things about my ex that his current wife doesn't know. it doesn't make me discount you. 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 28, 2009, 07:27:12 PM
Mufy Bee -

Thank you SO very much for helping me with that post!!!!! Was truly only trying to help . . . then felt like SUCH an idiot . . . Ugh.   :smt101

Thank you for coming to my rescue! Much appreciated ma'am.


Klaasend helped you out with that, Tams.  She's a real gem.   ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Klaas


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 28, 2009, 07:30:34 PM
I am connected to Mark through his wife being a Girl Scout leader. The information found on the internet is more important than my stats. I will reveal myself to the media if my tips to the authorities lead to an arrest. The Grays Harbor Sheriff and FBI have had my list for a week now, days before I joined this blog.
Thank you for the tidbits and info Cluemaster.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 28, 2009, 07:33:35 PM
Mark the real estate agent.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Haddie McFaddies Mom on August 28, 2009, 07:44:13 PM
Probably should explain myself a little bit here.  I just mowed about 10 acres to work it out, and I'm still upset.

Fund raising, in any instance and especially in this economy is tough enough.  To infer that Melissa McCann would do anything inappropriate with the funds that she may or may not be in charge of, in Lindsey's name, is just wrong. 

If the search this weekend is not productive, those donations may be the only lifeline left to keep an on-going and active interest in finding Lindsey.

If I were a casual *******, and read a comment like the one posted about the person who is in charge of Lindsey's donations not being trustworthy enough or whatever was implied, I would certainly think twice about sending any money in. 

I understand everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but these sorts of statements hurt Lindsey. 

But of course, that's MOO. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 28, 2009, 07:47:35 PM
On Classmates.com Mark says he graduated from Lincoln High,class of 89



On Timberline High page Mark says he graduated from Timberline High class of 89
Same guy?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 07:54:25 PM
Probably should explain myself a little bit here.  I just mowed about 10 acres to work it out, and I'm still upset.

Fund raising, in any instance and especially in this economy is tough enough.  To infer that Melissa McCann would do anything inappropriate with the funds that she may or may not be in charge of, in Lindsey's name, is just wrong. 

If the search this weekend is not productive, those donations may be the only lifeline left to keep an on-going and active interest in finding Lindsey.

If I were a casual *******, and read a comment like the one posted about the person who is in charge of Lindsey's donations not being trustworthy enough or whatever was implied, I would certainly think twice about sending any money in. 

I understand everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but these sorts of statements hurt Lindsey. 

But of course, that's MOO. 

You are absolutely right, great points


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 07:55:29 PM
The P.O. Box 1124 in Elma is listed on the same website that sent the misspelled jibberish about my tips ( Lindseybaum.com aka lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com ), which is run by Melissa McCann. Check this FACT on her own blogs., where she also calls Lindsey her missing neice. Would you want your money handled by the person who wrote that?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 08:09:21 PM
The P.O. Box 1124 in Elma is listed on the same website that sent the misspelled jibberish about my tips ( Lindseybaum.com aka lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com ), which is run by Melissa McCann. Check this FACT on her own blogs., where she also calls Lindsey her missing neice. Would you want your money handled by the person who wrote that?

I am not connecting what you are saying? Can you please clarify what you mean by, "Would you want your money handled by the person who wrote that?"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 08:14:18 PM
On Classmates.com Mark says he graduated from Lincoln High,class of 89



On Timberline High page Mark says he graduated from Timberline High class of 89
Same guy?


Interesting Karma...wonder why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 08:19:18 PM
These e-mails are supposed to be from a responsible group seeking tips.  How professional and responsible should you be when receiving a tip? If Lindseybaum.com  was your website, would you appear trustworthy by responding the way they have?  I will stop my flow of tidbits if the majority tells me to go away.... ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 08:39:02 PM
Cluemaster I don't want you to leave, but we do all need to explain where we get stuff. I can see your point about their response, do they know who you are though? If you are connected somehow to the ex wife then it may reduce your credibility, kwim? Seems there is a lot of water under the bridge. I think this whole thing is an interesting turn for sure.

What I want to make sure of is the search for Lindsey goes forwards and she is found and brought home. Without funding the search efforts will not be able to go forward.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 28, 2009, 08:39:23 PM
Wow! Let me get this straight. 

Cluemaster knows that Melissa McCann was at LB's home the night she disappeared (despite her denial that she was not), and Mark Duncan, who is Melissa McCann's boyfriend, was not only considered a suspect in the Green River Killings, he actually knew the Green River Killer....... 

Implying that Melissa McCann, Melissa Baum's best friend, may possibly be the wrong person to handle donations and that she also may be deleting incriminating tips at her will is also something I'm sure LE appreciates the heads up on.

Wow 

Just Wow -





REMINDER - everyone has their own opinions and ideas.  Please do not necessarily trust everything you read on the internet. 

I don't know who Cluemaster is any more than I know who are. 

I personally trust only that which is researched personally by myself and seen by my own eyes.
 

I am questioning that this Mark was old enough to be a suspect in the green river murders. Isn't he in his late 30's early 40's?  The green river killer was active with his crimes  in 1982 to 1998. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 08:49:21 PM
AZ it is not connecting in my opinion either. Cluemaster can you please explain your connection from Mark to the green river killer? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 28, 2009, 08:54:17 PM
I was probably wrong about the Green River tidbit, but I have always said these are tidbits, not facts. There are blogs that wrote Melissa Baums name as Melissa McCleary, but I got over it. The filtering and sifting of information can end with a solution if everyone works together..  I will move on with the other information and I appreciate one less thing to research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 28, 2009, 08:55:43 PM
AZ it is not connecting in my opinion either. Cluemaster can you please explain your connection from Mark to the green river killer? 

 I lived in the area from 1965 until 1991, and remember the case very vididly.  I used to bike ride along the green river as an adult.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 28, 2009, 09:01:53 PM
AZ it is not connecting in my opinion either. Cluemaster can you please explain your connection from Mark to the green river killer? 

 I lived in the area from 1965 until 1991, and remember the case very vididly.  I used to bike ride along the green river as an adult.

here is link to his 44 victims, most were killed in the early 80's to mid 80's: http://karisable.com/grklistcomp.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 09:04:03 PM
This one is horrible and so is that Joseph Duncan. Yikes!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on August 28, 2009, 09:52:11 PM
someone else was going to pass this on but they are not available for now, so I will do it as MM wanted to get a message on here, but she has not been approved. 

here is her message...
_______________________________________


To Everyone that reads this blog, This is Melissa McCann. I appreciate this being posted for me. I havent yet had an account approval or I would be posting myself. I dont have to hide behind a nicname like some people. The beauty of being able to have free will writing, is that you can post things no matter if they are true or not (cluemaster). Its nice to see so many people have an interest in Lindseys disappearance. Its nice of Cluemaster to be so concerned for Lindsey from so far away. Everyday we hope will be the day she comes home. Some people who post on here, put their opinions that really dont have any merit and can actually hinder an important thing such as a search for a lost little girl. There really is no reason to put anything on here regarding my life but I will accommodate this need Cluemaster has to know so much about us. Maybe there is a secret crush going on. You would actually get more attention by just sending flowers. I have seen several questions that many of you have and I will try to address what I can remember reading. If you read through the media articles (the legitimate ones from stations like Kiro, King, Komo, ect) you will see that I was not at Melissa Baum's house the night Lindsey disappeared. I have no idea how that even came up. Maybe someone misread something or misunderstood. I didnt go over to her house until the next morning. I dont live in McCleary and I never have. I am from Lacey but live in Elma currently. Melissa Baum and I have been friends since the 3rd grade however we dont spend alot of time together as we both do have lives. With a new baby I rarely see anyone ever. There has never been an opportunity for Mark Duncan's children to meet Melissa Baum's children. School got out June 18th and Lindsey vanished June 26th. Lindsey was 'working' the dollar store in the beginning of 2008 if you want to call it that. Lindsey and Josh came to the store at 5:30pm on days that Melissa Baum was stuck in traffic and didnt make it to daycare in time to pick them up. Lindsey would occasionally use the cash register and socialize with the customers. It is coincidence that Mark's daughter and Josh have aspergers. Just because they share a same condition doesnt mean they have reason to interact. Mark has never been diagnosed with Aspergers nor does he take any medications. Unfortunately due to Marks and his ex wifes situations they did have to file bankruptcy and loose their home and his vehicle back in March. Mark was 11 years old when the green river killings started. Thats a far out stretch of the imagination that Cluemaster has to say Mark was ever a suspect or knew Gary Ridgeway. Mark is still employed as a real estate agent. If cluemaster knows Mark's ex wife Tracy as he/she claims to, then he/she would also know about Marks medical issue and surgery he had that prevented him from working a hard labor job but fails to mention that. Another thing cluemaster fails to mention is that he/she is probably acting out in behalf of the ex wife thinking that he/she may be helping in some way. Mark was awarded FULL CUSTODY of their children August 25th, (((1 day prior to the sudden posting of this cluemaster person))) which clearly made Tracy extremely unhappy. Again, having freedom of speech is a great thing. Cluemaster can go on with their postings as I am not wasting my energy focusing on their opinion. I dont hide things so those of you who have questions, feel free to come directly to the source. Its public knowledge i am on facebook, myspace, ect so come find me and add me as a friend. If anyone is local, we appreciate you helping out this weekend on the mass search being organized by the 2 wonderful foundations Laura Recovery Center and Klaaskids.


The only real concern with all these postings is that Cluemaster seems to wonder about Lindsey's donations not getting used appropriately. I dont wish to see some ramblings of an UNINVOLVED person affect the efforts we all make to find Lindsey and bring her home safely. These donations are key to keeping the search alive! I took on the responsibility of getting things set up for Melissa Baum as you cant imagine (unless you have gone through this) the things she is going through. As her friend, I am doing what i can to help. There is no misappropriations going on of any sort. Tips dont come in via email as the website states you need to call the tip line or the police. Should something ever come through, it would be forwarded on to the appropriate people to investigate.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 28, 2009, 10:12:59 PM
Well, I will try this again, apparently my post didn't go through... ::MonkeyMad::

THANK YOU MM AND DD FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT!  We need accurate info to assist from afar, and all input is appreciated, and responses that correct and clarify. 

I hope the search this weekend will yield some results or clues.  I wish I were closer to assist.  Is it being publicized a lot locally?  I am hoping there is a huge turnout to help search!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 28, 2009, 10:22:05 PM
Thanks, I just don't know what to believe anymore, I really don't  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 10:28:01 PM
REMINDER - do not share personal information with people you don't know.  I do not know anyone from Adam.  I don't know who Cluemaster is or if any of their information is true or NOT.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 28, 2009, 10:28:57 PM
Well, I will try this again, apparently my post didn't go through... ::MonkeyMad::

THANK YOU MM AND DD FOR SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT!  We need accurate info to assist from afar, and all input is appreciated, and responses that correct and clarify. 

I hope the search this weekend will yield some results or clues.  I wish I were closer to assist.  Is it being publicized a lot locally?  I am hoping there is a huge turnout to help search!! 

I hope so too! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 28, 2009, 11:21:58 PM
sorry dd I was just coming on to post for you. Had to go get dinner for everyone.

MM thank you for your post. I read the blogs of Mark Duncan and didn't believe him to have aspergers. That assures me more then you know, whew. This whole thing has caused a day of research go down the drain I suppose. As always saying prayers for Lindseys safe and speedy return. Please know, everything said and considered are done so in the best interest of Lindsey and there is nothing personal or mean meant by it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 28, 2009, 11:46:01 PM
The P.O. Box 1124 in Elma is listed on the same website that sent the misspelled jibberish about my tips ( Lindseybaum.com aka lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com ), which is run by Melissa McCann. Check this FACT on her own blogs., where she also calls Lindsey her missing neice. Would you want your money handled by the person who wrote that?
::MonkeyConfused::who ::MonkeyConfused:: are ::MonkeyConfused::you  ::MonkeyConfused:: ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 28, 2009, 11:49:00 PM
Thanks, I just don't know what to believe anymore, I really don't  ::MonkeyConfused::
go with your gut no rose....it's either right on or soooo off the mark (from my personal exp.)  if ya have an idea pick it apart until there is nothing left...
 ::MonkeyWaa::
i have a new pickie??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 28, 2009, 11:50:31 PM
Thanks, I just don't know what to believe anymore, I really don't  ::MonkeyConfused::
go with your gut no rose....it's either right on or soooo off the mark (from my personal exp.)  if ya have an idea pick it apart until there is nothing left...
 ::MonkeyWaa::
i have a new pickie??
oh jeeze...not that you are off the mark......my gut..
i'm going to bed ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 29, 2009, 01:41:42 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2009, 01:45:30 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan

Welcome Mark - I thought it was only fair to approve your membership so you could defend yourself from the accusations.  I've also tried to express to others here that just because someone (like Cluemaster) says something does not make it true.

I won't be up much longer tonight but I wanted to acknowledge your post and welcome you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 29, 2009, 01:58:22 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan

Welcome Mark - I thought it was only fair to approve your membership so you could defend yourself from the accusations.  I've also tried to express to others here that just because someone (like Cluemaster) says something does not make it true.

I won't be up much longer tonight but I wanted to acknowledge your post and welcome you!

Thank you Klaasend.  This attack is ridiculous and unfounded.  However.  I have nothing to hide.  I find it strange that people would just run with something like this, dig up information about me, and make no effort to go direct to the source.  Makes me wonder how much some of your subcribers are looking to solve crimes or just play a big game.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on August 29, 2009, 04:08:19 AM
My gosh.  Been catching up since only a couple of days ago, and good Lord almighty!! 

Not sure who cluemaster is, but was concerned right off that s/he came in like gangbusters, with all sorts of "tidbits" gained from who knows where without sources or explanations to back these up.  I kept reading to see if cluemaster might explain who s/he was, how s/he came across this 'info', etc.  And read how others were questioning the same.  The impression I get is rather than explaining, cluemaster became a bit defensive, even suggesting no further "tidbits" would be forthcoming if we don't believe her/him? 

C'mon.  This isn't grade school, we are adults and trying to get to the FACTS in this case. 

Anyone can say anything, and Scared Monkeys does try to keep with the facts, along with the sources of these.  Tidbits, heresay, and/or rumors, while interesting to read for some, only seem to muddle the picture.  Who knows which of those are true or not. 

IMO <---------- , "tidbits" such as what were offered here by cluemaster might be better placed into a rumor thread or something.   

All in all, (and please don't shoot me for my opinion), it sounds to me like cluemaster has come into this forum with an agenda.  Where one person is fighting with one or more others elsewhere on the internet, and decide to bring that squabbling here.  To give them a whole new group of folks to listen to their woes. 

We've seen in the past where something like this has ONLY lead to problems in our forum.  We've lost a good many great monkeys over squabbling that can ensue with something like this.   One or more trying to accuse and others taking up sides in defense, and still others coming in feeling like they must defend.  While others sit back and wonder WTH?  Not knowing who or what to believe. 

Good forums have been ripppppppppppppped apart because of stuff like this.  And I for one will NOT sit back and watch it happen to Scared Monkeys!!  Not without having my say. 

I say to cluemaster, if this is not what your intent is, then I apologize.  But if you came to our forum with such an agenda, then please find yourself another outlet.  Or better yet, knock it off.  This is about Lindsey gone missing.  Remember her? 

And I say to Mark Duncan, Melissa McCann, and any others who have joined or are still trying to join, feeling the need to defend themselves in this:  Welcome!  Please understand that (as other monkeys have said), just because someone comes in and says something - that does not make it true.  We like knowing all sides and sorting thru facts with sources, not rumors.  I do hope you feel welcomed here. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: NCSunny on August 29, 2009, 05:46:29 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan




Good morning all Monkeys & TY Mr. Duncan for trying to clear things up for all of us.

I rarely post, but read here when time allows, and would like to make a note of your post saying there is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo. Yes, there is. I almost bought one many moons ago. -  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Navajo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Navajo).

I realise this is O/T & honestly am not trying to start anything, just like to keep things truthful.

Again, thanks for your info & welcome to SM.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on August 29, 2009, 09:22:42 AM
prayers for Lindsey's return ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 29, 2009, 09:56:41 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan

Welcome Mark - I thought it was only fair to approve your membership so you could defend yourself from the accusations.  I've also tried to express to others here that just because someone (like Cluemaster) says something does not make it true.

I won't be up much longer tonight but I wanted to acknowledge your post and welcome you!

Thank you Klaasend.  This attack is ridiculous and unfounded.  However.  I have nothing to hide.  I find it strange that people would just run with something like this, dig up information about me, and make no effort to go direct to the source.  Makes me wonder how much some of your subcribers are looking to solve crimes or just play a big game.
I can tell you that the great majority are not here playing anykind of games. I'm sure with anything there will be a person now and again that has an agenda, but the people here are kind hearted and decent people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 29, 2009, 10:34:19 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan

Welcome Mark - I thought it was only fair to approve your membership so you could defend yourself from the accusations.  I've also tried to express to others here that just because someone (like Cluemaster) says something does not make it true.

I won't be up much longer tonight but I wanted to acknowledge your post and welcome you!

Thank you Klaasend.  This attack is ridiculous and unfounded.  However.  I have nothing to hide.  I find it strange that people would just run with something like this, dig up information about me, and make no effort to go direct to the source.  Makes me wonder how much some of your subscribers are looking to solve crimes or just play a big game.

Hi Mark

Thanks for posting your response. This is an investigative forum.. We do investigative research on missing people.
 I can,t speak for all 3000 members. I know that I and others do research in order to find missing people and try not to point fingers in accusation. But, If I find a conspicuous situation involving a particular person, I inform the family if possible so that they can tell investigators or I call LE and let them check that person out. I almost always post info here about my concern first..

 She did not disappear on her own Mark.. The family of Lindsey and LE are at a loss for what has happened to Lindsey. People are looking for that one small link that pulls this all together. Unfortunately that one small link will be found in identifying another person most likely an adult who was in that area at that time .
 Find Lindsey is the objective here and finding out who took her would be one way to find out what happened to Lindsey.
Over the years we have seen many CLUEMASTER types show up in various cases and tell us they alone know everything. We NEED local help and so we are more then willing to read and research what is posted..I hope you noticed I questioned ClueMaster on naming one Mark Duncan as possible suspect. I did some research and found you quickly ..
 It has happened in many cases.. .. The most seasoned of us know to be careful with these new people that post wild accusations, although remember when Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy California?
 Monkeys here were looking at people that lived in the mobile home park and people who were involved in the church and we were talking of finding Sandra in water and guess what ..It was a person who lived in the mobile home park and that person was involved in the church and Sandra was in fact found in water.
The person responsible has been arrested and is in jail waiting for trial..
We looked at various people Mark and named them all ..We took license plates off cars and found owners and posted it.. we looked at addresses of homes and family friends and people who did work for the Cantu family, we were finding names and posting those names here  researching each person looking for a possible involved person.. Research is a huge task and it requires that we look into every possible angle. This is an open public forum that anyone can read as we do hope local citizens get involved and come here and post relative information.. It is always my hope that relative information will lead searchers to find the missing person in question.
In this case that person is Lindsey. I hope that all people of McCleary do everything they can to help find this little girl who went missing for no apparent reason.. I am very happy you posted Mark.. You appear to be a good guy.
Thank You So Much.
Welcome to Scared Monkeys


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 29, 2009, 10:52:52 AM
Well stated Edward!  Welcome to Mark!! 

I am praying there is a great turnout today for the search.  I am wondering about the area that they will be focusing on to search.  Does anyone have any information??  If any of the locals are attending, and I hope you are, please try to get some pictures of the area's being searched.  Thank you!  Please Find Lindsey!! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:16:17 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan
Welcome to SM's Mark.
There is a Mazda Tribute and a Mazda Navajo,they look a lot alike IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:25:19 AM
I know more about Mark Duncan than anyone on here.  Mostly because I am him.  Cluemaster's account was opened right after I was awarded full custody of my two children.  How is that for coincidence.  There is no such thing as a medication for Asperger's Syndrome.  There is no such thing as a Mazda Navajo.  My Mazda Tribute was reposessed (unfortunate, but true) about 2 months before Lindsey disappeared so how is that relavent?   I am not hiding behind a fake name like the coward that calls themself cluemaster.  If you want to know something, ask me directly.  I am all over the web and easy to find.  You can send me messages on multiple sites.  One thing I can tell you is that I have never even met Lindsey.  I barely know Lindsey's mom and didn't even know where she lived until the day after Lindsey disappeared.  Thank you for reading both sides and not jumping to conclusions....Mark Duncan

Welcome Mark - I thought it was only fair to approve your membership so you could defend yourself from the accusations.  I've also tried to express to others here that just because someone (like Cluemaster) says something does not make it true.

I won't be up much longer tonight but I wanted to acknowledge your post and welcome you!

Thank you Klaasend.  This attack is ridiculous and unfounded.  However.  I have nothing to hide.  I find it strange that people would just run with something like this, dig up information about me, and make no effort to go direct to the source.  Makes me wonder how much some of your subscribers are looking to solve crimes or just play a big game.

Hi Mark

Thanks for posting your response. This is an investigative forum.. We do investigative research on missing people.
 I can,t speak for all 3000 members. I know that I and others do research in order to find missing people and try not to point fingers in accusation. But, If I find a conspicuous situation involving a particular person, I inform the family if possible so that they can tell investigators or I call LE and let them check that person out. I almost always post info here about my concern first..

 She did not disappear on her own Mark.. The family of Lindsey and LE are at a loss for what has happened to Lindsey. People are looking for that one small link that pulls this all together. Unfortunately that one small link will be found in identifying another person most likely an adult who was in that area at that time .
 Find Lindsey is the objective here and finding out who took her would be one way to find out what happened to Lindsey.
Over the years we have seen many CLUEMASTER types show up in various cases and tell us they alone know everything. We NEED local help and so we are more then willing to read and research what is posted..I hope you noticed I questioned ClueMaster on naming one Mark Duncan as possible suspect. I did some research and found you quickly ..
 It has happened in many cases.. .. The most seasoned of us know to be careful with these new people that post wild accusations, although remember when Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy California?
 Monkeys here were looking at people that lived in the mobile home park and people who were involved in the church and we were talking of finding Sandra in water and guess what ..It was a person who lived in the mobile home park and that person was involved in the church and Sandra was in fact found in water.
The person responsible has been arrested and is in jail waiting for trial..
We looked at various people Mark and named them all ..We took license plates off cars and found owners and posted it.. we looked at addresses of homes and family friends and people who did work for the Cantu family, we were finding names and posting those names here  researching each person looking for a possible involved person.. Research is a huge task and it requires that we look into every possible angle. This is an open public forum that anyone can read as we do hope local citizens get involved and come here and post relative information.. It is always my hope that relative information will lead searchers to find the missing person in question.
In this case that person is Lindsey. I hope that all people of McCleary do everything they can to help find this little girl who went missing for no apparent reason.. I am very happy you posted Mark.. You appear to be a good guy.
Thank You So Much.
Welcome to Scared Monkeys
Very well stated Edward,thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:28:02 AM
Well stated Edward!  Welcome to Mark!! 

I am praying there is a great turnout today for the search.  I am wondering about the area that they will be focusing on to search.  Does anyone have any information??  If any of the locals are attending, and I hope you are, please try to get some pictures of the area's being searched.  Thank you!  Please Find Lindsey!! 
Good morning AZSunny
The locals over on WS have stated that they are not allowed to take pictures of the searches nor talk about where they searched.I don't know if that means forever or just untill after the searches are completed.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:30:43 AM
New flier the searchers are handing out.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:33:09 AM
National search groups searching for Lindsey this weekend.
Video


http://www.komonews.com/news/local/54399357.html?video=YHI&t=a



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:37:42 AM
Post from a local who went on the search yesterday,posted at Help Find The Missing(HFTM)post by Hairball # 626

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=63




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 11:48:42 AM
From one of the command post searchers at WS:

From JenniferO post #150,thread #6
Says it's been confirmed Josh has high functioning Aspergers.
Also JenniferO talked to Melissa Baum and Kara and confirmed the bike argument happened like this:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=6

the "fight" was nothing more than a couple of kids arguing.. The woman who "broke it up" was asked by Lindsey to tell Josh to stop. LB and MK took off before anything could be said to anyone.. so the woman told JB that it was probably best that he just went home. Leave the girls alone.
She sent a text to MB telling her what was going on and MB agreed that JB should just come home.
JB went home. LB and MK went to MKs house. Later this woman (and no, I won't share her name) saw Lindsey on her walk home.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What I don't understand is that Melissa didn't know for sure if Kayla could spend the night or Lindsey could stay at Kayla's but she didn't try to get a hold of Kara and find out for sure right after Josh arrived home alone,without Lindsey.Sounds like Melissa sent Josh with the girls in case Lindsey would have to walk home alone so why wasn't Kara contacted(to be absolutely sure that Lindsey wouldn't be walking alone)after Josh came home alone?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 29, 2009, 12:14:50 PM
From one of the command post searchers at WS:

From JenniferO post #150,thread #6
Says it's been confirmed Josh has high functioning Aspergers.
Also JenniferO talked to Melissa Baum and Kara and confirmed the bike argument happened like this:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=6

the "fight" was nothing more than a couple of kids arguing.. The woman who "broke it up" was asked by Lindsey to tell Josh to stop. LB and MK took off before anything could be said to anyone.. so the woman told JB that it was probably best that he just went home. Leave the girls alone.
She sent a text to MB telling her what was going on and MB agreed that JB should just come home.
JB went home. LB and MK went to MKs house. Later this woman (and no, I won't share her name) saw Lindsey on her walk home.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What I don't understand is that Melissa didn't know for sure if Kayla could spend the night or Lindsey could stay at Kayla's but she didn't try to get a hold of Kara and find out for sure right after Josh arrived home alone,without Lindsey.Sounds like Melissa sent Josh with the girls in case Lindsey would have to walk home alone so why wasn't Kara contacted(to be absolutely sure that Lindsey wouldn't be walking alone)after Josh came home alone?


Excellent question  ::MonkeyCool::  And thanks for all the links.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 29, 2009, 12:17:13 PM
Post from a local who went on the search yesterday,posted at Help Find The Missing(HFTM)post by Hairball # 626

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=15126&page=63



That was very creepy, what was found, gave me chills  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 29, 2009, 12:35:45 PM
Inestigators should be at that illegal dump site.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 29, 2009, 12:39:43 PM
Inestigators should be at that illegal dump site.
I should say  ::MonkeyEek:: Too many weird items.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 02:01:22 PM
I am not directing this to anyone in particular, just at the circumstanses at hand.

What is sad, Josh Baums disability has been outed to the world. He is a 12 year old boy who deserves to be private if he so chooses, that choice is no longer an option. I feel badly for him....Maybe this will bring understanding though to a town who seems to not show much compassion to him. Spiting on him and trying to make him "blow up" is not acceptable to me and shouldn't be to the parents of those kids. off soapbox

Mark, thank you for posting. Wow what a rollercoaster ride you have taken! Must be so difficult to have your life opened up for the world to know about. Please understand although it seems rude and mean spirited, it is not. We do not know who took Lindsey, it could be a random stranger or a person she knows well or someone in between. Personally I do not contact anyone as I want to stay annon. It can be dangerous to email people we do not have some kind of trust, especially when working on cases like this.

Karma that searchers findings are chilling. I do not like the duct tape found with the hat. The police need to do a search of that place ASAP in my opinion


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 02:17:42 PM
From one of the command post searchers at WS:

From JenniferO post #150,thread #6
Says it's been confirmed Josh has high functioning Aspergers.
Also JenniferO talked to Melissa Baum and Kara and confirmed the bike argument happened like this:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=6

the "fight" was nothing more than a couple of kids arguing.. The woman who "broke it up" was asked by Lindsey to tell Josh to stop. LB and MK took off before anything could be said to anyone.. so the woman told JB that it was probably best that he just went home. Leave the girls alone.
She sent a text to MB telling her what was going on and MB agreed that JB should just come home.
JB went home. LB and MK went to MKs house. Later this woman (and no, I won't share her name) saw Lindsey on her walk home.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What I don't understand is that Melissa didn't know for sure if Kayla could spend the night or Lindsey could stay at Kayla's but she didn't try to get a hold of Kara and find out for sure right after Josh arrived home alone,without Lindsey.Sounds like Melissa sent Josh with the girls in case Lindsey would have to walk home alone so why wasn't Kara contacted(to be absolutely sure that Lindsey wouldn't be walking alone)after Josh came home alone?


Excellent question  ::MonkeyCool::  And thanks for all the links.
You're very welcome NoRose


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 29, 2009, 04:01:46 PM
Why does Lindseybaum.com, using Lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com, reply " there is no need for mark to even talk to cops nor take a polygraph or have anything checked" ?

The reply from Findlindseybaum.com says " during the original investigation this gentleman was looked into and cleared" ?

If both websites use P.O. Box 1124 in Elma,WA, could they be operated by the same people ?  If not, maybe they have a gap in communicating with each other about who is cleared and who should be left alone because they said so ?

Just a thought...........

Thank you to those of you who see the logic in checking and verifying information.  This is the reason I have not made any accusations or guarantees of accuracy. I trust the experienced people on this site to take my tidbits and turn them into clues or disregard them and find new theories.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on August 29, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
I believe one of the sites is being run/emails being answered by Karak and one by someone else (MB possibly) They are both friends of the family and set up the sites at the request of Lindsey's mom. Which is why they both have the same address.

If you have any tips, those should go to LE and should never be sent to the website, imo.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on August 29, 2009, 04:22:31 PM
MB correction. I meant Melissa McCain, MB's friend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 04:47:20 PM
I believe one of the sites is being run/emails being answered by Karak and one by someone else (MB possibly) They are both friends of the family and set up the sites at the request of Lindsey's mom. Which is why they both have the same address.

If you have any tips, those should go to LE and should never be sent to the website, imo.


I agree,all info should be sent to LE but I don't think they both came from the same addy,I could be wrong.I shrunk them down to see if they are easier to read.....hope this works.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 04:57:41 PM
Let me try that again.One email is from findlindseybaum.com and the other email is from lindseybaumgroup.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on August 29, 2009, 05:25:56 PM
I believe one of the sites is being run/emails being answered by Karak and one by someone else (MB possibly) They are both friends of the family and set up the sites at the request of Lindsey's mom. Which is why they both have the same address.

If you have any tips, those should go to LE and should never be sent to the website, imo.


I agree,all info should be sent to LE but I don't think they both came from the same addy,I could be wrong.I shrunk them down to see if they are easier to read.....hope this works.



I meant the same PO Box Address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on August 29, 2009, 05:28:49 PM

If both websites use P.O. Box 1124 in Elma,WA, could they be operated by the same people ?  If not, maybe they have a gap in communicating with each other about who is cleared and who should be left alone because they said so ?

Just a thought...........

Thank you to those of you who see the logic in checking and verifying information.  This is the reason I have not made any accusations or guarantees of accuracy. I trust the experienced people on this site to take my tidbits and turn them into clues or disregard them and find new theories.

In regards to this Karma. That's the "address" I was talking about. :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
http://lindseybaum.com/

contact:  lindseybaumgroup@hotmail.com

http://findlindseybaum.com/

contact:  contact@findlindseybaum.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 29, 2009, 06:20:24 PM
This is Melissa McCann typing as my account still has not yet been aproved. (admin is there a reason for this or did i simply get overlooked?)  I will answer the question at hand regarding the website. I set up and maintain lindseybaum.com and karak set up and maintains findlindseybaum.com. Melissa Baum isnt savvy on the computer and asked for our help as we know a little more than she with html codes and what not. We all communicate with each other and MB lets us know what she would like us to do with the sites and emails that come in. All the donation information, bank accounts, po office box address, ect are tied to one person... Lindsey Baum. Multiple accounts set up for each site would be silly and a waste of time.

I have posted on DD's forum and TG was going to put my posts over here for me. Cluemaster has an agenda and is making things up. I appreciate you all taking the time to read the posts and figure out that the unfortunate actions of cluemaster has taking away valueable time from all of you investigating real issues regarding figuring out who took Lindsey. Now all of you back to it and lets find her!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 06:20:54 PM
It was requested of me to post the following emails from Melissa McCann. Klaas if you could please approve melissa Mccann, it would be much appreciated

#1
To Everyone that reads this blog, This is Melissa McCann. I appreciate this being posted for me. I havent yet had an account approval or I would be posting myself. I dont have to hide behind a nicname like some people. The beauty of being able to have free will writing, is that you can post things no matter if they are true or not (cluemaster). Its nice to see so many people have an interest in Lindseys disappearance. Its nice of Cluemaster to be so concerned for Lindsey from so far away. Everyday we hope will be the day she comes home. Some people who post on here, put their opinions that really dont have any merit and can actually hinder an important thing such as a search for a lost little girl. There really is no reason to put anything on here regarding my life but I will accommodate this need Cluemaster has to know so much about us. Maybe there is a secret crush going on. You would actually get more attention by just sending flowers. I have seen several questions that many of you have and I will try to address what I can remember reading. If you read through the media articles (the legitimate ones from stations like Kiro, King, Komo, ect) you will see that I was not at Melissa Baum's house the night Lindsey disappeared. I have no idea how that even came up. Maybe someone misread something or misunderstood. I didnt go over to her house until the next morning. I dont live in McCleary and I never have. I am from Lacey but live in Elma currently. Melissa Baum and I have been friends since the 3rd grade however we dont spend alot of time together as we both do have lives. With a new baby I rarely see anyone ever. There has never been an opportunity for Mark Duncan's children to meet Melissa Baum's children. School got out June 18th and Lindsey vanished June 26th. Lindsey was 'working' the dollar store in the beginning of 2008 if you want to call it that. Lindsey and Josh came to the store at 5:30pm on days that Melissa Baum was stuck in traffic and didnt make it to daycare in time to pick them up. Lindsey would occasionally use the cash register and socialize with the customers. It is coincidence that Mark's daughter and Josh have aspergers. Just because they share a same condition doesnt mean they have reason to interact. Mark has never been diagnosed with Aspergers nor does he take any medications. Unfortunately due to Marks and his ex wifes situations they did have to file bankruptcy and loose their home and his vehicle back in March. Mark was 11 years old when the green river killings started. Thats a far out stretch of the imagination that Cluemaster has to say Mark was ever a suspect or knew Gary Ridgeway. Mark is still employed as a real estate agent. If cluemaster knows Mark's ex wife Tracy as he/she claims to, then he/she would also know about Marks medical issue and surgery he had that prevented him from working a hard labor job but fails to mention that. Another thing cluemaster fails to mention is that he/she is probably acting out in behalf of the ex wife thinking that he/she may be helping in some way. Mark was awarded FULL CUSTODY of their children August 25th, (((1 day prior to the sudden posting of this cluemaster person))) which clearly made Tracy extremely unhappy. Again, having freedom of speech is a great thing. Cluemaster can go on with their postings as I am not wasting my energy focusing on their opinion. I dont hide things so those of you who have questions, feel free to come directly to the source. Its public knowledge i am on facebook, myspace, ect so come find me and add me as a friend. If anyone is local, we appreciate you helping out this weekend on the mass search being organized by the 2 wonderful foundations Laura Recovery Center and Klaaskids.


The only real concern with all these postings is that Cluemaster seems to wonder about Lindsey's donations not getting used appropriately. I dont wish to see some ramblings of an UNINVOLVED person affect the efforts we all make to find Lindsey and bring her home safely. These donations are key to keeping the search alive! I took on the responsibility of getting things set up for Melissa Baum as you cant imagine (unless you have gone through this) the things she is going through. As her friend, I am doing what i can to help. There is no misappropriations going on of any sort. Tips dont come in via email as the website states you need to call the tip line or the police. Should something ever come through, it would be forwarded on to the appropriate people to investigate.


 #2
 I have read over everything and find it interesting that you all have so much time on your hands to do this. I am not a pissed off girl friend by any means and its nice that people who dont know Lindsey are wanting to put in their 2 cents to try to figure out what happened. From day one I have been reading comments from judgemental boobheads on tons of sites and its hard to not let it get personal. Everyone has a right to have their opinions as do I when I read about other cases or any news story for that matter. I have no qualms what so ever about speaking my mind or answering questions. We, (me, mb, mm, and kk) had a few laughs about what cluemaster was posting however it did waste a lot of peoples time. Someone asked what would Cluemaster gain by trashing mark. Well my theory is this,,,, Since Mark and I now have custody of his children, if Mark was suddenly being looked at as a possible child abducter, one may hope the court would revert the order of custody to their mother. Who knows. and just FYI for whomever it was that asked how it could be Mark never met MB's kids,,,, Mark and I have not been together very long at all. We went to highschool together and hadnt seen each other in 19 years until he and his ex wife walked into my store at christmas time. I love Melissa B dearly but our lives are very different and there really hadnt been a lot of time for hanging out with everything going on with my life, marks life, combing our lives, and our children. The kids have been back and forth between Mark and his ex so there was just never a chance for them to meet Josh and Lindsey. Also my daughter was born in March, not May. If you look at the Olympian's posting May 13th, it says she was born march 8th. they had just missed putting it in the paper for a very long time. When i saw Mark, I was 7 months pregnant. Cleary Mark is not the biological father to my daughter however he is her daddy in every way and is adopting her. Background checks were done on all parties involved with the custody case of his children so yes if something was out there about either Mark or myself then it would of come up. For now, I am exhausted, this new baby of mine keeps me busy and tired so I am going to bed.

#3
nah, at the time of lindseys disappearance, and actually all along, T just assumed she would have full custody of the kids simply because she is the mom. She wouldnt know Lindsey from a tree. She wouldnt have a clue as to who my friends are or anything. she has had the kids off and on all summer for visits and anyone who knows her, knows she doesnt have the smarts to plan an abduction. the other thing is this was purely a crime of oportunity. it wasnt planned for Lindsey to be out walking, it was spur of the moment. just coincidence of perfect timing. we could live that day over 100 times and come out with a differnt outcome just because children change their minds and act out on it.

#4

 just fyi,,, i said this in private but i will also say it in public and tracygirl feel free to cut n paste my stuff over to sm since i am still not approved, thanks to someone trackin an ip address, it appears that cluemaster is over in spokane area... where TD moved to in May to be near her friend CG, who happened to be her co-girl scout leader when CG lived over here in Olympia. coincidence? hmmmm. i truely doubt that cluemaster has anything to do with lindsey what so ever but would like to try to make Mark look like a bad person in hopes that the court would reverse the custody issue....

#5
tg,, all the posts i have made since the big long one are fine,, it will make sense if they go in order to those people over on sm




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 06:46:36 PM
I believe one of the sites is being run/emails being answered by Karak and one by someone else (MB possibly) They are both friends of the family and set up the sites at the request of Lindsey's mom. Which is why they both have the same address.

If you have any tips, those should go to LE and should never be sent to the website, imo.


I agree,all info should be sent to LE but I don't think they both came from the same addy,I could be wrong.I shrunk them down to see if they are easier to read.....hope this works.



I meant the same PO Box Address.
Ahh,sorry for my confusion Pink.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2009, 06:47:37 PM
Tracygirl - I need to know what nickname she registered under.  I don't see anyone that is looking like her unless somehow I'm missing it.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 29, 2009, 06:50:54 PM
Tracygirl - I need to know what nickname she registered under.  I don't see anyone that is looking like her unless somehow I'm missing it.



Melissa - your account is now approved.  FYI - there are 700+ people waiting that have registered.  We have been busy and I haven't been approving many members. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on August 29, 2009, 07:06:05 PM
Klaas, thanks for all you do.  I really appreciate you and all the mods for working so hard on these various cases.
Justice for the Silent Ones!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 07:07:51 PM
Thank you Klaas for finding and approving her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 07:08:35 PM
thanks to someone trackin an ip address



 ::MonkeyEek::
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do on these forums,I don't care who you are. IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 07:23:45 PM
thanks to someone trackin an ip address



 ::MonkeyEek::
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do on these forums,I don't care who you are. IMO

It is shameful, is what it is. We are looking for a young girl who has been missing for a very long time. This is not a playground for those with an agenda's, this is a serious issue, very serious. It just makes my blood boil to think someone was using Lindsey's kidnapping as a way to try to get back at someone for their own selfish gain, if that is what happened of course. I suggest they look for a good psychologist and work this out. This is extreme behavior, and you know, inhuman. We have a mother sitting at her house probably right at this very minute waitign for something, anything which can lead her to her daughter, her baby girl she has been crying over.
If was asked if I would send my money to the search efforts... yes, I would and as a matter of fact I am planning on doing just that and I suggest everyone to think about doing it as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 07:41:16 PM
thanks to someone trackin an ip address



 ::MonkeyEek::
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do on these forums,I don't care who you are. IMO

It is shameful, is what it is. We are looking for a young girl who has been missing for a very long time. This is not a playground for those with an agenda's, this is a serious issue, very serious. It just makes my blood boil to think someone was using Lindsey's kidnapping as a way to try to get back at someone for their own selfish gain, if that is what happened of course. I suggest they look for a good psychologist and work this out. This is extreme behavior, and you know, inhuman. We have a mother sitting at her house probably right at this very minute waitign for something, anything which can lead her to her daughter, her baby girl she has been crying over.
If was asked if I would send my money to the search efforts... yes, I would and as a matter of fact I am planning on doing just that and I suggest everyone to think about doing it as well. 
I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 29, 2009, 07:49:17 PM
Praying for you sweet baby girl.


                                             ::MonkeyAngel::





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Kona Kare on August 29, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
Tracygirl - I need to know what nickname she registered under.  I don't see anyone that is looking like her unless somehow I'm missing it.



Melissa - your account is now approved.  FYI - there are 700+ people waiting that have registered.  We have been busy and I haven't been approving many members. 
   ::MonkeyCool::  I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on August 29, 2009, 08:03:36 PM

[/quote]
I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.

[/quote]


Thanks for the approval.  Happy to be a part of this site finally.

Regarding this above statment, Insert your name in place of Mark's in the things that were posted and tell me you just turn a blind eye to it.  We asked for some help in tracking down where this was coming from due to the nature of what was being said and the fact we have children involved. Its as much our right to find out who is doin the bs as it for any yahoo to post whatever they want on here.  Finding out an IP address is no different than any of you going to websites to obtain information such as addresses, court docs, ect....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 08:10:44 PM
Tracygirl - I need to know what nickname she registered under.  I don't see anyone that is looking like her unless somehow I'm missing it.



Melissa - your account is now approved.  FYI - there are 700+ people waiting that have registered.  We have been busy and I haven't been approving many members. 
   ::MonkeyCool::  I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.

Interesting posting Kona...Why are we discussing this issue? Does it have any reliviance to this case or are you again bringing up the fact that this boy has a disability? Does the fact you state he started a fire have any thing to do with anything? This boy has a right to privacy just as the other kids do who spat on him...what are their names and do they have any disabilities?
BTW, aspergers is not physical and it is not rare. 1 in 5 children in our country have a form of autism, most being on the higher end.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 08:15:35 PM
Karma I think we all are playing jr detectives, lol.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on August 29, 2009, 08:21:53 PM
thanks to someone trackin an ip address



 ::MonkeyEek::
Well that is a pretty crappy thing to do on these forums,I don't care who you are. IMO

It is shameful, is what it is. We are looking for a young girl who has been missing for a very long time. This is not a playground for those with an agenda's, this is a serious issue, very serious. It just makes my blood boil to think someone was using Lindsey's kidnapping as a way to try to get back at someone for their own selfish gain, if that is what happened of course. I suggest they look for a good psychologist and work this out. This is extreme behavior, and you know, inhuman. We have a mother sitting at her house probably right at this very minute waitign for something, anything which can lead her to her daughter, her baby girl she has been crying over.
If was asked if I would send my money to the search efforts... yes, I would and as a matter of fact I am planning on doing just that and I suggest everyone to think about doing it as well. 


Right-on TraceyGirl.  I contacted LRC, and made a generous donation last Friday.  I don't say that to toot my own horn, but merely to show that I truly care about these children.  I live too far away to be able to contribute anything else.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on August 29, 2009, 08:26:03 PM

 
[/quote]   ::MonkeyCool::  I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.
[/quote]


Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 08:48:13 PM
MM I think it is very gracious to answer the questions, but please do not feel you must answer invasive questions about your family that have nothing to do with Lindsey. You have a right to privacy concerning the disabled child living in your home. There are several places you can get information for therapies and such, please do not contact some random person for help.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer is a good place to start.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Kona Kare on August 29, 2009, 08:54:34 PM
Tracygirl - I need to know what nickname she registered under.  I don't see anyone that is looking like her unless somehow I'm missing it.



Melissa - your account is now approved.  FYI - there are 700+ people waiting that have registered.  We have been busy and I haven't been approving many members. 
   ::MonkeyCool::  I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.

Interesting posting Kona...Why are we discussing this issue? Does it have any reliviance to this case or are you again bringing up the fact that this boy has a disability? Does the fact you state he started a fire have any thing to do with anything? This boy has a right to privacy just as the other kids do who spat on him...what are their names and do they have any disabilities?
BTW, aspergers is not physical and it is not rare. 1 in 5 children in our country have a form of autism, most being on the higher end.
[/quote  I'm bringing this up because it is in my field as I worked on adolescent psych inpatient.  I have more empathy for children and adults with disabilities as I just retired from from working with spinalcord injuries.  Enough of me.  I'm truly concerned as at this point knowone truly knows what happened to Lindsey and if her brother may have befriended someone and talked about his sis in a not so nice way.  Also LE uses a bit different approach when interviewing an adolescent with Asbergers who has shown agressive acting out behavior.   Impulse control is one of things you look for when doing an intake along with other negative behaviors.  These children are picked on and they find it more difficult to talk about this causing them to retaliate towards the instigator or take it out on themselves.  The asberger child and what is considered a normal child committ crimes the same rate.  Having Asbergers doesn't make you prone to being a criminal.  A parent who has a child acting out as JB has must seek attention for them as well as a child with a disability.  Of course I bring this up as JB was also one of the last people to see his sister as well as the others mentioned.  I'v approached this subject delicately as he is only 12 yrs age wise.  I can post a psychiatric periodical showing how important these signs of behavior JB showed to get him into trouble are to clinicians, LE and with Lindsey's case FBI.  I love children and epecially those who have a difficult time expressing themselves.  Regardless of good and behavior in question, bad they are children with rights who have a voice to be heard.  This particular disorder is very difficult on a parent day to day.  My concern is a possible male manipulating JB (no father figure around and we heard Lindsey was sad about this) into getting to know Lindsey or even mom.  This is just another option to think about.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Kona Kare on August 29, 2009, 09:10:23 PM
MM I think it is very gracious to answer the questions, but please do not feel you must answer invasive questions about your family that have nothing to do with Lindsey. You have a right to privacy concerning the disabled child living in your home. There are several places you can get information for therapies and such, please do not contact some random person for help.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer is a good place to start.

  I meant know harm and don't need to know anything about MD daughter because girls with this disorder are different in many aspects. It just peaked a subject.  My curiosty stems also from being a mother of a 21yr.old stricten at age 16 with 2 forms of seizure disorder and I couldn't reach out to enough moms who were providing care there child with the same disorder.  Just reading about both children and the little bit of info on the case makes one look at the dynamics in the home that might give an SO the idea to zone in on one, two, three, members of the family.  Your about as close as I'v seen to Melissa that could understand why he may have been looked at by a predator to get to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 29, 2009, 09:11:22 PM
First off the condition is spelled, Aspergers, not asbergers.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer it will give you information on the condition you wish to discuss.

Spinal cord injuries and autism are so far removed from eachother. Please educate yourself on this condition.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Kona Kare on August 29, 2009, 09:27:41 PM
First off the condition is spelled, Aspergers, not asbergers.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer it will give you information on the condition you wish to discuss.

Spinal cord injuries and autism are so far removed from eachother. Please educate yourself on this condition.   Thanks for the spell check.  I have worked in both fields as I stated.  Sorry to stir such emotion.  I wouldn't have discussed this condition in males had Lindsey not complained, forcing her to call 911 one and tell her fears concerning her brother.  Those fears have evrything to do with evrything.  LE is currently setting up designated National Forensic units for the purpose of interviewing when a person who suffers from this disorder as it has been found that many in LE do not recognize this disorder and many people suffering from this form of autism are wrongly accused.  This is abig movement in rights for the disabled.  Truce???  I'm actually holding back the periodical as many would be alarmed.  I obviously hit a nerve so it makes me wonder if anyone would be open to reading pertinate information that talks about some of the troubles experienced by JB.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on August 29, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
First off the condition is spelled, Aspergers, not asbergers.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer it will give you information on the condition you wish to discuss.

Spinal cord injuries and autism are so far removed from eachother. Please educate yourself on this condition.   Thanks for the spell check.  I have worked in both fields as I stated.  Sorry to stir such emotion.  I wouldn't have discussed this condition in males had Lindsey not complained, forcing her to call 911 one and tell her fears concerning her brother.  Those fears have evrything to do with evrything.  LE is currently setting up designated National Forensic units for the purpose of interviewing when a person who suffers from this disorder as it has been found that many in LE do not recognize this disorder and many people suffering from this form of autism are wrongly accused.  This is abig movement in rights for the disabled.  Truce???  I'm actually holding back the periodical as many would be alarmed.  I obviously hit a nerve so it makes me wonder if anyone would be open to reading pertinate information that talks about some of the troubles experienced by JB.


The nerve that you hit has to do with people who have loved ones with disabilities. Making inaccurate statements about various disabilities and/or coupling disabilities that are so far removed, is frequently irritating to those who manage loved ones with disabilities on a daily basis.  Spinal cord injuries, seizure disorders, autism, closed head brain injuries are not the same, other than they can be a disability.  If the periodical sheds light on Lindsey being returned home, then post away.  Otherwise, IMHO it has no relevance here.  This is just me, but please post the relevance before you post the article.  There are hundreds of articles that speak of divorced parents behavior, sibling behavior, bullying, etc etc.  Relevance is the key IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on August 29, 2009, 10:07:42 PM

I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.

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Thanks for the approval.  Happy to be a part of this site finally.

Regarding this above statment, Insert your name in place of Mark's in the things that were posted and tell me you just turn a blind eye to it.  We asked for some help in tracking down where this was coming from due to the nature of what was being said and the fact we have children involved. Its as much our right to find out who is doin the bs as it for any yahoo to post whatever they want on here.  Finding out an IP address is no different than any of you going to websites to obtain information such as addresses, court docs, ect....
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I disagree sorry. Posting information available to the general public through an internet search is TOTALLY different that using an IP sniffer to look up where someone is posting from on the internet. And then to share that INFO with everyone on the board, is WRONG.

I have no problem with admins of a board I am posting from knowing my IP, that's an option available to them as a webmaster and I give them that permission by agreeing to the terms of service when I register.  But I am uncomfortable posting with someone who would sniff my info via my IP and post what city I am for the whole world to see.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Kona Kare on August 29, 2009, 11:03:00 PM
First off the condition is spelled, Aspergers, not asbergers.

http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer it will give you information on the condition you wish to discuss.

Spinal cord injuries and autism are so far removed from eachother. Please educate yourself on this condition.   Thanks for the spell check.  I have worked in both fields as I stated.  Sorry to stir such emotion.  I wouldn't have discussed this condition in males had Lindsey not complained, forcing her to call 911 one and tell her fears concerning her brother.  Those fears have evrything to do with evrything.  LE is currently setting up designated National Forensic units for the purpose of interviewing when a person who suffers from this disorder as it has been found that many in LE do not recognize this disorder and many people suffering from this form of autism are wrongly accused.  This is abig movement in rights for the disabled.  Truce???  I'm actually holding back the periodical as many would be alarmed.  I obviously hit a nerve so it makes me wonder if anyone would be open to reading pertinate information that talks about some of the troubles experienced by JB.


The nerve that you hit has to do with people who have loved ones with disabilities. Making inaccurate statements about various disabilities and/or coupling disabilities that are so far removed, is frequently irritating to those who manage loved ones with disabilities on a daily basis.  Spinal cord injuries, seizure disorders, autism, closed head brain injuries are not the same, other than they can be a disability.  If the periodical sheds light on Lindsey being returned home, then post away.  Otherwise, IMHO it has no relevance here.  This is just me, but please post the relevance before you post the article.  There are hundreds of articles that speak of divorced parents behavior, sibling behavior, bullying, etc etc.  Relevance is the key IMO
  I explained the relevance to Lindsey's case.  I stated my career with working with adolescence on an inpatient locked unit.  Yes we had children just like JB.  Lindsey' thoughts on my space made me take a closer look at the dynamics of the family as Lindsey was concerned.  Working with children has led me to listening to there concerns as any good therapist.  I will not believe Lindsey doesn't want every stone unturned in order to find her.  It is not out of the question that a male befriended JB in order to reach his sister.  Having an educated conversation about this particular brain disorder and how someone may have taken advantage of JB knowing his issues of agression towards Lindsey, is out of the question I'll move forward.  Also how do you not know if I also am a care provider 24/7.  Please read up on adolescent Asepergers & violence associated with fire starting.  I think you will be enlightened.  Not saying JB did anything to contribute to Lindsey's abduction knowingly.  Only saying JB may have been manipulated by an older adult.  Free your mind!  Knowledge is power.  I'm not talking negavtive about anyone.  I'm only pointing to another aspect a SO may use.  It's been daid JB is really social and we have not a clue who may have entered his life for one purpose, Lindsey.  Not one of my statements is inaccurate, not even my admission of care providing, beyond my son.  University of Washington has alot of info also on as many brain disorders you can think of.  I thought this was a site open for discussion of anything pertaining to Lindsey and brother certainly is.  I'm over it.  Don't get your banans in bunch.  This is the real world!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on August 29, 2009, 11:44:07 PM

I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.



Thanks for the approval.  Happy to be a part of this site finally.

Regarding this above statment, Insert your name in place of Mark's in the things that were posted and tell me you just turn a blind eye to it.  We asked for some help in tracking down where this was coming from due to the nature of what was being said and the fact we have children involved. Its as much our right to find out who is doin the bs as it for any yahoo to post whatever they want on here.  Finding out an IP address is no different than any of you going to websites to obtain information such as addresses, court docs, ect....
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I disagree sorry. Posting information available to the general public through an internet search is TOTALLY different that using an IP sniffer to look up where someone is posting from on the internet. And then to share that INFO with everyone on the board, is WRONG.

I have no problem with admins of a board I am posting from knowing my IP, that's an option available to them as a webmaster and I give them that permission by agreeing to the terms of service when I register.  But I am uncomfortable posting with someone who would sniff my info via my IP and post what city I am for the whole world to see.


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I have a problem with someone going on a public site, where anyone can see, and posting outright lies about me.  I also take issue when that person sends emails making those same libelous accusations.  If I have the ability to track that person and find out who is attacking me, i will do it and so would you.  I am turning this over to my attorney and we will see what happens.  I know of at least one person who has asked the authorities to look into it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 29, 2009, 11:49:41 PM

I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.



Thanks for the approval.  Happy to be a part of this site finally.

Regarding this above statment, Insert your name in place of Mark's in the things that were posted and tell me you just turn a blind eye to it.  We asked for some help in tracking down where this was coming from due to the nature of what was being said and the fact we have children involved. Its as much our right to find out who is doin the bs as it for any yahoo to post whatever they want on here.  Finding out an IP address is no different than any of you going to websites to obtain information such as addresses, court docs, ect....



I disagree sorry. Posting information available to the general public through an internet search is TOTALLY different that using an IP sniffer to look up where someone is posting from on the internet. And then to share that INFO with everyone on the board, is WRONG.

I have no problem with admins of a board I am posting from knowing my IP, that's an option available to them as a webmaster and I give them that permission by agreeing to the terms of service when I register.  But I am uncomfortable posting with someone who would sniff my info via my IP and post what city I am for the whole world to see.


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I have a problem with someone going on a public site, where anyone can see, and posting outright lies about me.  I also take issue when that person sends emails making those same libelous accusations.  If I have the ability to track that person and find out who is attacking me, i will do it and so would you.  I am turning this over to my attorney and we will see what happens.  I know of at least one person who has asked the authorities to look into it.
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oops!  this was my post.  i forgot that melissa was logged into my computer and posted without loggin her out and me in...md


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2009, 12:02:45 AM
When you email someone, your IP shows in the properties of the email.  I have been told that people that emailed Cluemaster, got a response back from Cluemaster that now they (Cluemaster) knew where they lived.   

So I don't know what kind of games Cluemaster is trying to play but I don't appreciate them.   I'll will give Cluemaster an opportunity to explain before I ban Cluemaster from SM. 

A childs life could be at stake and these types of distractions are of no help.
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Cluemaster on August 30, 2009, 12:33:53 AM
I am sorry for any stress and will be ok with being cancelled. I have told people on e-mails how easy it is to find public information to think about their own words they write. I only want Lindsey found safely and want all people that are innocent cleared and left alone. My intentions were to just clear up inconsistent messages I received with no harm intended. This is my first time blogging and I will not be doing it again, as LE is the place to give tips to be researched by professionals. I am sorry to MD and MM for any stress and am dropping the subject. Goodbye

P.S. None of my information was obtained illegally by hacking, just by using tidbits found on the internet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 30, 2009, 12:44:44 AM
I am sorry for any stress and will be ok with being cancelled. I have told people on e-mails how easy it is to find public information to think about their own words they write. I only want Lindsey found safely and want all people that are innocent cleared and left alone. My intentions were to just clear up inconsistent messages I received with no harm intended. This is my first time blogging and I will not be doing it again, as LE is the place to give tips to be researched by professionals. I am sorry to MD and MM for any stress and am dropping the subject. Goodbye

P.S. None of my information was obtained illegally by hacking, just by using tidbits found on the internet.
Cluemaster: where did you find your lies (aka tidbits) about such things as identity theft, green river killer suspect, Asperger's medications?  These are not just misunderstandings.  These are outright lies and I now know who you are and what your agenda is.  The only place that they seem to be on the internet, is places that the information came from you. 

You may have thought you were helping, but actually you only made things worse.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2009, 12:46:15 AM
I am sorry for any stress and will be ok with being cancelled. I have told people on e-mails how easy it is to find public information to think about their own words they write. I only want Lindsey found safely and want all people that are innocent cleared and left alone. My intentions were to just clear up inconsistent messages I received with no harm intended. This is my first time blogging and I will not be doing it again, as LE is the place to give tips to be researched by professionals. I am sorry to MD and MM for any stress and am dropping the subject. Goodbye

P.S. None of my information was obtained illegally by hacking, just by using tidbits found on the internet.

Cluemaster - if it makes you feel any better I'm sure LE follows the posts here.  I'm going to go ahead and cancel your account as I believe you have caused more trouble here and taken AWAY from the research into what happened to Lindsey. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on August 30, 2009, 12:50:25 AM
I am sorry for any stress and will be ok with being cancelled. I have told people on e-mails how easy it is to find public information to think about their own words they write. I only want Lindsey found safely and want all people that are innocent cleared and left alone. My intentions were to just clear up inconsistent messages I received with no harm intended. This is my first time blogging and I will not be doing it again, as LE is the place to give tips to be researched by professionals. I am sorry to MD and MM for any stress and am dropping the subject. Goodbye

P.S. None of my information was obtained illegally by hacking, just by using tidbits found on the internet.
Cluemaster: where did you find your lies (aka tidbits) about such things as identity theft, green river killer suspect, Asperger's medications?  These are not just misunderstandings.  These are outright lies and I now know who you are and what your agenda is.  The only place that they seem to be on the internet, is places that the information came from you. 

You may have thought you were helping, but actually you only made things worse.

Mark - Cluemaster won't be answering you, they signed off and I have now banned them.  We don't need lies and distractions, we need people to pull together to help find Lindsey. 

I'm sorry all this happened to you guys and would like to move beyond it now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 30, 2009, 12:51:55 AM
Sister thank you very much...I know about aspergeres and other asd's due to working with those affected professionally as well as advocating on their behalf. I just so happen to also be a mom to a child with autism. No one hit a nerve because I am a mom, but because they are misstating things and also saying things are facts when they are not. my only response to them is to please back up what you say with facts. Just because they are saying it, doesn't mean it is true. I trust all of you to be smart enough to not just take someone's words for something without first checking.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on August 30, 2009, 12:57:38 AM
Sister thank you very much...I know about aspergeres and other asd's due to working with those affected professionally as well as advocating on their behalf. I just so happen to also be a mom to a child with autism. No one hit a nerve because I am a mom, but because they are misstating things and also saying things are facts when they are not. my only response to them is to please back up what you say with facts. Just because they are saying it, doesn't mean it is true. I trust all of you to be smart enough to not just take someone's words for something without first checking.

Tracygirl, I know -- I have been working with a closed head brain injury with George -- 20 years this coming December.  I like you advocate for the disabled and when people give out incorrect information, it makes me steam.  To have some poor child raked over the coals on unverified information and innuendo is so uncalled for and assuredly is not professional.  But then, we've been down this trail before . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 30, 2009, 01:04:40 AM
I am sorry for any stress and will be ok with being cancelled. I have told people on e-mails how easy it is to find public information to think about their own words they write. I only want Lindsey found safely and want all people that are innocent cleared and left alone. My intentions were to just clear up inconsistent messages I received with no harm intended. This is my first time blogging and I will not be doing it again, as LE is the place to give tips to be researched by professionals. I am sorry to MD and MM for any stress and am dropping the subject. Goodbye

P.S. None of my information was obtained illegally by hacking, just by using tidbits found on the internet.
Cluemaster: where did you find your lies (aka tidbits) about such things as identity theft, green river killer suspect, Asperger's medications?  These are not just misunderstandings.  These are outright lies and I now know who you are and what your agenda is.  The only place that they seem to be on the internet, is places that the information came from you. 

You may have thought you were helping, but actually you only made things worse.

Mark - Cluemaster won't be answering you, they signed off and I have now banned them.  We don't need lies and distractions, we need people to pull together to help find Lindsey. 

I'm sorry all this happened to you guys and would like to move beyond it now.
Thank you.  This person has no interest in finding Lindsey.  I am glad that you see that and sent them away.  Hopefully something of substance can be uncovereded here.  I wish you luck in helping to find Lindsey, and all other missing children


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on August 30, 2009, 01:05:50 AM
Thank you, Klaas.   ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on August 30, 2009, 01:16:07 AM
Am still wondering....

...if LE has checked out the church that has been reported that both Lindsey and her brother attended, not too long before she went missing.   And of course, if it's true that they did both attend that church. 

...and if it's true that they did go... if LE has checked into anyone from that church who may have befriended either Lindsey or her brother.   

Someone in a position of authority that Lindsey may have known, I'd want for LE to make a list of anyone possible, then check them out one by one.  No matter who it may be.  Either from her own town or the nearby areas where she may have visited, etc. 

Am also still uncomfy with the posting on the internet that Lindsey and her friend/s have done.  Those messages clearly state "mobile" on each one, and it seems that she had access thru her phone, a friend's phone, or somehow.  Whether or not her mom or any parents of her friends were aware of that.  IMO. 

Just trying to brainstorm possibilities that am hoping have been or will be checked out. 





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 30, 2009, 01:17:16 AM
Sister thank you very much...I know about aspergeres and other asd's due to working with those affected professionally as well as advocating on their behalf. I just so happen to also be a mom to a child with autism. No one hit a nerve because I am a mom, but because they are misstating things and also saying things are facts when they are not. my only response to them is to please back up what you say with facts. Just because they are saying it, doesn't mean it is true. I trust all of you to be smart enough to not just take someone's words for something without first checking.

Tracygirl, I know -- I have been working with a closed head brain injury with George -- 20 years this coming December.  I like you advocate for the disabled and when people give out incorrect information, it makes me steam.  To have some poor child raked over the coals on unverified information and innuendo is so uncalled for and assuredly is not professional.  But then, we've been down this trail before . . .

There is a study about aspergers and criminal behavior, it is pretty easy to find on the internet and anyone can do it, but you also have to have the knowledge of the specific condition to be able to truly understand the study. It also bothers me they state things like, I had kids like josh in my unit...well every kid is different and how would she know what he is like unless she knows him personally? Unless she lives in that town and has spoken to him she doesn't know who he is, just what she has read about him and whether any of it is true we don't really know. He is a minor but if this person believes him to have been persuaded by an adult then why is she not looking for that adult? Josh would be a victim as well then. Just doesn't make any sense. Yes, I remember this road.....are we being lead again down that road? Hmmmm interesting timing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: markduncan on August 30, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
One quick note about Asperger's Syndrome before you go back to finding a missing child.

Asperger's presents itself differently in every person.  Most people with Asperger's also have comorbid (other) conditions as well.  There is a good chance that everyone here knows someone with Asperger's and/or high functioning autism.

If you are interested in learning more about it, go to any of the great websites out there like http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/ (http://www.udel.edu/bkirby/asperger/)  http://www.autismspeaks.org/ (http://www.autismspeaks.org/)   http://www.autismsocietyofwa.org/ (http://www.autismsocietyofwa.org/)   http://www.autismsource.org/ (http://www.autismsource.org/)   

this list is certainly not all-inclusive.  I personally love the first one.  OASIS is a great place for the average person to learn about Asperger's folks.

I hope that everyone can get back to fact-finding and leave the rumor mill for other places


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on August 30, 2009, 01:22:32 AM
Hi wykes! Nice to see you! Hope you are doing well!

Those are all great questions...There are still so many avenues to be explored by LE. I hope they are doing what they need to do to find this girl. being from a small town, I have my doubts on a small town pd. my hope is the fbi are leading this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on August 30, 2009, 01:22:39 AM
Sister thank you very much...I know about aspergeres and other asd's due to working with those affected professionally as well as advocating on their behalf. I just so happen to also be a mom to a child with autism. No one hit a nerve because I am a mom, but because they are misstating things and also saying things are facts when they are not. my only response to them is to please back up what you say with facts. Just because they are saying it, doesn't mean it is true. I trust all of you to be smart enough to not just take someone's words for something without first checking.

Tracygirl, I know -- I have been working with a closed head brain injury with George -- 20 years this coming December.  I like you advocate for the disabled and when people give out incorrect information, it makes me steam.  To have some poor child raked over the coals on unverified information and innuendo is so uncalled for and assuredly is not professional.  But then, we've been down this trail before . . .

There is a study about aspergers and criminal behavior, it is pretty easy to find on the internet and anyone can do it, but you also have to have the knowledge of the specific condition to be able to truly understand the study. It also bothers me they state things like, I had kids like josh in my unit...well every kid is different and how would she know what he is like unless she knows him personally? Unless she lives in that town and has spoken to him she doesn't know who he is, just what she has read about him and whether any of it is true we don't really know. He is a minor but if this person believes him to have been persuaded by an adult then why is she not looking for that adult? Josh would be a victim as well then. Just doesn't make any sense. Yes, I remember this road.....are we being lead again down that road? Hmmmm interesting timing.

Exactly, the generalizations just drive me nuts.  But again, I think the timing is note worthy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on August 30, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
Hi wykes! Nice to see you! Hope you are doing well!

Those are all great questions...There are still so many avenues to be explored by LE. I hope they are doing what they need to do to find this girl. being from a small town, I have my doubts on a small town pd. my hope is the fbi are leading this.

Hi TG!!!  It's good to be posting with you again!   ::MonkeyDance::

Doing ok here, can't complain much, ya know.  lol  How are you doing? 

How are the folks in Tracy holding up?  I think of y'all there often, wondering how things are going there.  I know firsthand how a small town can change when someone from there goes missing.  The first and weirdest thing is that life doesn't stand still.  The sun still rises, people go about their business.  It's surreal.  Hard to understand in some ways, understandable in others. 

Yes, I can imagine that LE in Lindsey's town has their hands full with this.  I understand about the small town PD.  Sigh.  They likely don't have enough officers to handle this, as well as covering the other needs of their town.  So my hope is with yours, that FBI is leading.  Also hope that if they are, the local LE is glad for the help and not in a huff about it.  Some LE get the macho thing going on, wanting to be the ones in charge, no matter what.  Haven't heard about this going on with the local LE there tho.  Just haven't heard either way. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 10:09:51 AM
I see the whole Cluemaster ordeal has been solved, but I had one question.  Did anyone ask why the DC looks altered from maybe DL?    http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.100 

Lindsey, I pray for you to come home everyday little girl!  I hope to be back digging to find you this week.  Life threw me a curve ball, but things are settling down, so I will have time again to search via my computer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on August 30, 2009, 11:03:25 AM
Volunteers search for clues in case of missing McCleary girl


By Rolf Boone; The Olympian
Published: 08/29/09   9:19 pm


McCLEARY --

Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

At the request of Lindsey’s mother, Melissa, two nonprofit groups – the Laura Recovery Center of Friends­wood, Texas, and Klaaskids Foundation of Sausalito, Calif. – organized the search. Both groups have been involved in high-profile missing-­child cases before, including the disappearances of Elizabeth Smart of Utah and Elaine Sepulveda of Oak Harbor.

About 120 people searched Friday, and about 40 people had taken part before noon Saturday, said Brad Dennis, director of search operations for the Klaaskids Foundation. The search is being staged from the McCleary Community Center, and although organizers have enough volunteers to handle administrative duties, they need more searchers, Dennis said.

“We need people to come out and be a part of this,” he said.

Baum disappeared about 9:15 p.m. June 26 as she embarked alone on about a half-mile walk from a friend’s house on Maple Street to her home on Mommsen Road. Her mother, who moved to McCleary from Lacey about two years ago, said Saturday that she is doing all she can so her daughter won’t be forgotten, such as putting up flyers and making buttons with Lindsey’s picture. She thinks her daughter is alive, although “getting through the nights” is the hardest part, she said.

“My main focus is just finding her and then we can deal with the rest,” Melissa Baum said.

Volunteers who showed up Saturday were separated into groups. Team leaders were selected and groups were given directions on how and where to search. The team leaders also were provided with global positioning systems to note the locations of their searches, as well as clipboards with paper so they could jot down possible clues.

Patty Thorsen and Judy Enz of Olympia, plus team leader Mike Davis of Gig Harbor, spent about an hour exploring Niels Lane, a rock-covered road that overlooks state Route 8 about 4 miles west of McCleary. All three decided to volunteer because they are parents, but Thorsen and Davis also were moved by Melissa Baum’s story after hearing her interviewed on a Seattle radio station. Mike said the combination of listening to Melissa Baum and hearing news about Jaycee Dugard, the California woman recently discovered after she was missing for 18 years, prompted him to act.

“I said, ‘Well, I can give up a Saturday,’ ” he said. Davis, too, has five children, including three girls. All three got into his truck, drove to the end of the road and then worked their way back, stopping frequently to look down hillsides, peer into the woods and inspect roadside debris. The three also discovered a black garbage bag filled with clothes, including a pair of denim jeans, the same kind of clothes Lindsey last was seen wearing. After that discovery, it was determined that the clothes and trash likely belonged to a transient and not Lindsey, although Dennis praised the group’s efforts in finding the bag.

Davis marked the site with orange fabric so investigators could inspect the site. Once volunteers return to the community center, they are debriefed and their information is shared with law enforcement, Dennis said.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/updates/story/861127.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 30, 2009, 12:02:02 PM

Karma wrote:
I agree with all that you posted Tracy but what I found a crappy thing to do was have someone on these forums track down an IP addy of one of the posters.
I don't know Melissa M,Melissa B,Mark D nor ClueMaster however I would like to make up my own mind about these people and not have it made up for me by posters on the internet playing junior detectives.


MelissaMcCann wrote:
Thanks for the approval.  Happy to be a part of this site finally.

Regarding this above statment, Insert your name in place of Mark's in the things that were posted and tell me you just turn a blind eye to it.  We asked for some help in tracking down where this was coming from due to the nature of what was being said and the fact we have children involved. Its as much our right to find out who is doin the bs as it for any yahoo to post whatever they want on here.  Finding out an IP address is no different than any of you going to websites to obtain information such as addresses, court docs, ect....
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Pink wrote:
I disagree sorry. Posting information available to the general public through an internet search is TOTALLY different that using an IP sniffer to look up where someone is posting from on the internet. And then to share that INFO with everyone on the board, is WRONG.

I have no problem with admins of a board I am posting from knowing my IP, that's an option available to them as a webmaster and I give them that permission by agreeing to the terms of service when I register.  But I am uncomfortable posting with someone who would sniff my info via my IP and post what city I am for the whole world to see.


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Thank you Pink,that was my point exactly.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 01:25:12 PM
I agree with Melissa Baum in that Lindsey was likely kidnapped or persuaded to leave by some adults (kidnapping) and taken straight to the highway, and that she is likely not dead. I understand the frustration then with searching the immediate area.

Having said that, did they ever search the water tower?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 30, 2009, 02:11:59 PM
I agree with Melissa Baum in that Lindsey was likely kidnapped or persuaded to leave by some adults (kidnapping) and taken straight to the highway, and that she is likely not dead. I understand the frustration then with searching the immediate area.

Having said that, did they ever search the water tower?
WELCOME   I had asked that early on, and evidently if something that goes inside the water tower that shouldn't be there, there are some type of gauges that will let them know. Somebody may direct to that posting about that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 02:16:07 PM
I just google searched and found that post. No I don't think so. I mean, there is all sorts of biological life. I think a water sample would be of little value. I don't know what test would detect that kind of thing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 02:31:32 PM
How much water does the tower hold? How big is it? But I guess what I'm asking is if the search teams did a thorough search of the vicinity of the water tower;if something took place there they might find fine shreds of torn clothing or shoes if they slipped off.

Just an idea.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 30, 2009, 02:36:38 PM
I just google searched and found that post. No I don't think so. I mean, there is all sorts of biological life. I think a water sample would be of little value. I don't know what test would detect that kind of thing.

AV,  I think they were thinking more on the lines of water displacement type measurements.  That was my understanding. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 30, 2009, 02:52:11 PM
I just google searched and found that post. No I don't think so. I mean, there is all sorts of biological life. I think a water sample would be of little value. I don't know what test would detect that kind of thing.

AV,  I think they were thinking more on the lines of water displacement type measurements.  That was my understanding. 
Thanks, I don't know really about those type of things, but I do remember someone on here saying that they would know  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 03:07:20 PM
Quote
If somebody suggested that she was put into a water tower.. That would not happen as the water test samples would show it. water companies have to test water all the time..

Septic tanks on the other hand have been used many times over the years..
In a wilderness environment her body would be placed within a hundred yards of a road, like a logging road that is rarely traveled.. Someplace where the culprit could feel safe in parking.
If the ground is soft she could be buried or something put on top of the body like rocks or even tree debris.

This is the post I found on the subject, but I suppose it has been a matter of discussion before. This is not a place that Lindsey Baum would enter at that time of night, but perhaps on a dare from another child or a "I have something cool to show you back here". Lindsey Baum seems too intelligent to follow a predator adult into the woods. For clarification in no way do I suspect Josh Baum.

I still think the water tower should be searched, though I don't necessarily think this is what happened. I suppose a displacement test could provide adequate clarification, depending on the size of the tower, but "they would know" is just not good enough.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 30, 2009, 03:22:28 PM
Quote
If somebody suggested that she was put into a water tower.. That would not happen as the water test samples would show it. water companies have to test water all the time..

Septic tanks on the other hand have been used many times over the years..
In a wilderness environment her body would be placed within a hundred yards of a road, like a logging road that is rarely traveled.. Someplace where the culprit could feel safe in parking.
If the ground is soft she could be buried or something put on top of the body like rocks or even tree debris.

This is the post I found on the subject, but I suppose it has been a matter of discussion before. This is not a place that Lindsey Baum would enter at that time of night, but perhaps on a dare from another child or a "I have something cool to show you back here". Lindsey Baum seems too intelligent to follow a predator adult into the woods. For clarification in no way do I suspect Josh Baum.

I still think the water tower should be searched, though I don't necessarily think this is what happened. I suppose a displacement test could provide adequate clarification, depending on the size of the tower, but "they would know" is just not good enough.

AV,  there is a much longer post somewhere.  Someone called the water department to ask about the water tower, and the person in charge gave a very detailed explanation. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 04:52:50 PM
I'd like to read the post, specifically what the worker has said about it, because I do not think a small 80 pound body is going to displace that much water, and bodies have been known to turn up in water towers, albeit after discovering a foul odor and misty appearance to the water, but those were small water towers. I wonder if anyone has been avoiding the water lately.

I had an idea though, in regard to the poor return rate of kidnapped victims. I guess it can be attributed to Stokholm syndrome as well as a fear of authorities. So what if people set up an incentive for a kidnapped victim to get away from their captors, like a financial incentive. Set up a trust fund in their name so that only they can access it, at a bank, via a fingerprint identification so that they do not need any ID since they likely would not have any at that age anyway and then publish it so that hopefully the child knows  that at any time they can run away and not have to go to the authorities, which they may for whatever reason be afraid to do.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 06:59:09 PM
I'd like to read the post, specifically what the worker has said about it, because I do not think a small 80 pound body is going to displace that much water, and bodies have been known to turn up in water towers, albeit after discovering a foul odor and misty appearance to the water, but those were small water towers. I wonder if anyone has been avoiding the water lately.

I had an idea though, in regard to the poor return rate of kidnapped victims. I guess it can be attributed to Stokholm syndrome as well as a fear of authorities. So what if people set up an incentive for a kidnapped victim to get away from their captors, like a financial incentive. Set up a trust fund in their name so that only they can access it, at a bank, via a fingerprint identification so that they do not need any ID since they likely would not have any at that age anyway and then publish it so that hopefully the child knows  that at any time they can run away and not have to go to the authorities, which they may for whatever reason be afraid to do.




Here is a link to when this was discussed:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg891415#msg891415

Here is the post by Scandi who called:
Hi,  I did call the City of McCleary today and talked to the Building Dept.  A nice gentleman gave me this info about Sand Creek that cuts across McCleary from NE to the SW and the culverts that encompass most of it:

*  There are two culverts that run side by side thru the town, one 4' pipe, the other 5'/

*  The whole culvert system was searched right after she went missing and nothing was found that related to Lindsey at all.

*  There are only 4 places in town where the creek itself is exposed.  Sam's Canal behind the police station, 9th St, the Treatment Plant where there is very little water and the area of the creek before it dumps into Sand Creek Lake/Pond.

I also asked about the Water Tower in McCleary in the SE section of town.  He basically said if anything had been done to breech the water tower they would have known about it as the water pressure would change.  He said they know it was not breeched as nothing has shown up on the guages.

********************** Maybe if you still feel un-easy you can call them too?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 30, 2009, 07:00:22 PM
Thanks ANJM  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 08:32:44 PM
I will put in a call, because sometimes city workers can be recalcitrant to do anything. I will call another water tower, somewhere else, and see what they say about it. Since they would know to be on the look out for anything suspicious, it is probable that they wouldn't overlook something, as in cases where dead bodies have turned up in water towers and tanks, but you never know. No, I don't like the "we would know" because of a pressure gauge answer.

At the very least, it should be an interesting phone call.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 30, 2009, 08:40:18 PM
It's not a bad feeling. In fact, my gut says something else. But I read that her scent was found up at the water tower. How far is it from the 6th street route? Does anyone know the approximate size of the tower?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 30, 2009, 09:01:22 PM
I'd like to read the post, specifically what the worker has said about it, because I do not think a small 80 pound body is going to displace that much water, and bodies have been known to turn up in water towers, albeit after discovering a foul odor and misty appearance to the water, but those were small water towers. I wonder if anyone has been avoiding the water lately.

I had an idea though, in regard to the poor return rate of kidnapped victims. I guess it can be attributed to Stokholm syndrome as well as a fear of authorities. So what if people set up an incentive for a kidnapped victim to get away from their captors, like a financial incentive. Set up a trust fund in their name so that only they can access it, at a bank, via a fingerprint identification so that they do not need any ID since they likely would not have any at that age anyway and then publish it so that hopefully the child knows  that at any time they can run away and not have to go to the authorities, which they may for whatever reason be afraid to do.




Here is a link to when this was discussed:  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg891415#msg891415

Here is the post by Scandi who called:
Hi,  I did call the City of McCleary today and talked to the Building Dept.  A nice gentleman gave me this info about Sand Creek that cuts across McCleary from NE to the SW and the culverts that encompass most of it:

*  There are two culverts that run side by side thru the town, one 4' pipe, the other 5'/

*  The whole culvert system was searched right after she went missing and nothing was found that related to Lindsey at all.

*  There are only 4 places in town where the creek itself is exposed.  Sam's Canal behind the police station, 9th St, the Treatment Plant where there is very little water and the area of the creek before it dumps into Sand Creek Lake/Pond.

I also asked about the Water Tower in McCleary in the SE section of town.  He basically said if anything had been done to breech the water tower they would have known about it as the water pressure would change.  He said they know it was not breeched as nothing has shown up on the guages.

********************** Maybe if you still feel un-easy you can call them too?

Thank you  ANJ


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 30, 2009, 09:05:19 PM
It's not a bad feeling. In fact, my gut says something else. But I read that her scent was found up at the water tower. How far is it from the 6th street route? Does anyone know the approximate size of the tower?

Where is the link for the "her scent was found up at the water tower?"  They didn't even find her scent on the street with trained dogs!  Rumors only...betcha! ::MonkeyMad::

I suggest YOU call the water department and ask your questions and the approximate size of the tower.   80 lbs would cause a displacement in any size tower. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on August 30, 2009, 09:30:48 PM
AV snipped:
I had an idea though, in regard to the poor return rate of kidnapped victims. I guess it can be attributed to Stokholm syndrome as well as a fear of authorities. So what if people set up an incentive for a kidnapped victim to get away from their captors, like a financial incentive. Set up a trust fund in their name so that only they can access it, at a bank, via a fingerprint identification so that they do not need any ID since they likely would not have any at that age anyway and then publish it so that hopefully the child knows  that at any time they can run away and not have to go to the authorities, which they may for whatever reason be afraid to do.


I'n not sure I'm following you on this . . .Most children who are kidnapped do not suffer from Stockholm syndrome.  Their fear of authorities generally is tied in with the fear that something will happen to their families.  Older kidnap victims can frequently suffer from Stockholm symdrome, if they live that long.  But, thinking outside the box is always good.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 09:42:41 PM
Thanks ANJM  ::MonkeyCool::

No problem.  I did however notice while trying to find it - that I had to say all of the missing person forum, because the search was limiting to just this 8/26, section #4 for some reason.  So I backed it out to all missing persons and wah la, it showed up!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 09:44:07 PM
I will put in a call, because sometimes city workers can be recalcitrant to do anything. I will call another water tower, somewhere else, and see what they say about it. Since they would know to be on the look out for anything suspicious, it is probable that they wouldn't overlook something, as in cases where dead bodies have turned up in water towers and tanks, but you never know. No, I don't like the "we would know" because of a pressure gauge answer.

At the very least, it should be an interesting phone call.

Let us know what they say!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 09:46:11 PM
It's not a bad feeling. In fact, my gut says something else. But I read that her scent was found up at the water tower. How far is it from the 6th street route? Does anyone know the approximate size of the tower?

I don't know how far (but not far, if memory serves me correct) and I don't know the size (might try the public utilities page - city government??  just ideas.)
BUT, where did you read that - do you have a link?  I had not heard that before.
Thanks, in advance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 30, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
AV snipped:
I had an idea though, in regard to the poor return rate of kidnapped victims. I guess it can be attributed to Stokholm syndrome as well as a fear of authorities. So what if people set up an incentive for a kidnapped victim to get away from their captors, like a financial incentive. Set up a trust fund in their name so that only they can access it, at a bank, via a fingerprint identification so that they do not need any ID since they likely would not have any at that age anyway and then publish it so that hopefully the child knows  that at any time they can run away and not have to go to the authorities, which they may for whatever reason be afraid to do.


I'n not sure I'm following you on this . . .Most children who are kidnapped do not suffer from Stockholm syndrome.  Their fear of authorities generally is tied in with the fear that something will happen to their families.  Older kidnap victims can frequently suffer from Stockholm symdrome, if they live that long.  But, thinking outside the box is always good.

Stockholm is actually pretty rare.  I would imagine kidnapped children or anyone who SURVIVES would indeed have to use a Stockholm type of coping to stay alive.  Basic instinct is fight or flight.   Both have their place, and both are a judgment call.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on August 31, 2009, 04:52:49 PM
Has there been any word on how the weekend search went?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 05:29:57 PM
Has there been any word on how the weekend search went?
A post from a searcher(at WS):

JenniferO post #269,thread#12:

I think it's ok to share this info (I'm sure Brad will call/text/email and yell me if it wasn't ok but I don't think it should be kept a secret). We had a total of 205 searchers (this was not counting the several people--myself, Breanna and a few other people from the community that spent their time "behind the scenes") this weekend. Many of them put in time all three days and did several searches a day. My hat is off to each and every person who volunteered in some way. Even if you were there in thought and prayer.

Right now they are shooting for a search to be conducted Sept 12 and 13. We ask anyone who is interested in donating (time, supplies, money, food, whatever) to go to http://www.findlindseybaum.com for more information or email them at contact@findlindseybaum.com. Someone will be in touch with you ASAP
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=12




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 05:33:22 PM
FBI listing for Lindsey

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/baum_l.htm




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 31, 2009, 05:34:33 PM
Yes I need to know the size and dimensions of the water tower before I call because I am going to do some preliminary calculations. This is one thing, cold hard facts, that I can get straight from the city. It's not on the internet that I have located.

You know, I don't really remember where I read about the scent, but it is on these forums somewhere. Maybe a rumor, but such a thing would warrant a careful combing of that area. You could try and..I don't know..hack down foliage and plant matter..sift through the dirt. I think the kids used to play up there and that is why they might not necessarily focus on it as related to the disappearance, if it is more than just a net rumor.

Anyway..

Stockholm syndrome. Yes I agree that every single kidnap victim on the face of this planet, whether they are a captured troop, adult, or child by a predator is going to go through some degree of Stockholm. We teach our children how to avoid predators, but we don't do much by the way of helping them escape captivity, and what captivity is about.

Because if you aren't thinking escape escape escape every single minute of the day, or you aren't trained to do that, to keep your mind on escaping, you will succumb to your captor. They build a new identity. It happens universally, adult, child, troop, trafficked, holocaust camp. It's just brainwashing.

So we need to think outside of the box to help these people resist, hold on to their identities, and escape their captors. Too many people are kidnapped every day.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 31, 2009, 05:38:56 PM
Plus related to the size it would be good to know if it is something a child or an adult is capable of climbing, if on a dare, or if it was something older kids would do at night because it was cool. Is it the kind of water tower that you can walk up through, or would you have to climb the outside; how is it maintained and who maintains it; etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 05:41:36 PM
From Amber Dubois's Mom(she was at the search) at IS:


Hi Everyone,

I can not believe this town. Saturday we had 46 searchers, which included me and my two friends. Regarding LE they do not want or welcome help.

Coming here was a real eye opener for me, I can see why so many kids go missing and you never hear anything about them. I love SD for being so supportive and caring about Amber, and all the other communities that have helped us..Thanks

I hope Melissa finds the strength it itakes to keep her daughters story from becoming a cold case, but I have my doubts..I hope she proves me wrong..

Carrie
Ambers mom

Thread#1 page#32  post#1264
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=32




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 05:44:40 PM
From poster at IS,KonaMocha in response to Carrie,Amber Dubois's Mom:


all I know is that the LE in our area make ppl very nervous and that is why a lot of ppl did not volunteer in the search. The local LE has been questioning a lot of ppl in a weird manner and making the locals very uncomfortable. I get the feeling that they dont want LE investigating every part of their life history in a manner that appears unprofessional. We are a redneck town, I know that LE better find the person before the locals figure it out. A lot of the original families here are arkies and the like with their own brand of justice mentality.

I know that the town clowns are referring anyone that comes in to the police station to the tip line located in montesano. That in my opinion is not right.

If someone comes in to talk to LE about a possibility, I think the local LE should call county to get assistance and check it out.


Something does not sit right with me !!

Same thread,page# as above.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=32



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
This happened in Thurston County,may not be related to Lindsey's case but you never know.I can't get the sketch of this possible kidnapper to show on my puter so if any of you can,will you post the pic please?

Attempted Kidnapping By Use Of Court Order, Officials Investigate

The mother of three children says she was contacted by a male at her home. The man told her he had a court order signed by a Thurston County Superior Court judge and told her she needed to surrender her three children.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-082809-kidnapping,0,2224579.story


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 31, 2009, 06:19:01 PM
Well..I guess every LE department is different in the way it handles its investigations. If you are going to search you will probably be questioned because I guess from LE point of view, you could be the sicko. They do that. They come out to help. And maybe they figure it is more efficient to try to find the sicko among the helpers than it would be to put any stock in the search volunteers actually finding anything. They need more volunteers. And if it is the case that the scent was found by the water tower they should request supplies from the nearest college with an Anthropology department to donate some sifters. Or you can even make your own. Then the volunteers go out two by two and sift through the dirt. Anything you find gets bagged and tagged.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 31, 2009, 06:57:42 PM
From Amber Dubois's Mom(she was at the search) at IS:


Hi Everyone,

I can not believe this town. Saturday we had 46 searchers, which included me and my two friends. Regarding LE they do not want or welcome help.

Coming here was a real eye opener for me, I can see why so many kids go missing and you never hear anything about them. I love SD for being so supportive and caring about Amber, and all the other communities that have helped us..Thanks

I hope Melissa finds the strength it itakes to keep her daughters story from becoming a cold case, but I have my doubts..I hope she proves me wrong..

Carrie
Ambers mom

Thread#1 page#32  post#1264
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=32


Interesting Indeed


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on August 31, 2009, 07:05:33 PM
There is something very wrong up there in McCleary Wa  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 31, 2009, 07:07:10 PM
Well..I guess every LE department is different in the way it handles its investigations. If you are going to search you will probably be questioned because I guess from LE point of view, you could be the sicko. They do that. They come out to help. And maybe they figure it is more efficient to try to find the sicko among the helpers than it would be to put any stock in the search volunteers actually finding anything. They need more volunteers. And if it is the case that the scent was found by the water tower they should request supplies from the nearest college with an Anthropology department to donate some sifters. Or you can even make your own. Then the volunteers go out two by two and sift through the dirt. Anything you find gets bagged and tagged.

I do not believe she was saying it was the volunteers her were questioned, but the residents of McCleary.    We are familiar with the sifting of areas through the caylee case.  However, in that case they had found a body and were searching for all the bones.  They do not go randomly sifting through an area with a foundation of assumption that a body would be found there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 31, 2009, 07:09:47 PM
There is something very wrong up there in McCleary Wa  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes,  it gives another perspective on why the locals weren't searching! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on August 31, 2009, 07:45:14 PM
For you Lindsey
God Blesses you.



They Don't Need Wings

I see them all around me there,
With bright blue eyes and golden hair.
Some have different features too,
Some look the same as me and you.

There was this one with hair so dark,
And another one with a caring heart.
But yet another, at such a young age,
He looked the type to be in a cage.

They are all around this world so big,
You just have to look, no need to dig.
You see them on the corner of every city,
If you don’t, it is such a pity.

So, let me tell you now, it’s true,
About the angels God sends to you!
They may not have wings or shine so bright,
But they forever shine, with God’s loving light.

May they light your way home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 31, 2009, 08:09:36 PM
A place where her scent was found would warrant a sifting. It wouldn't be "random." Not for a body or pieces of a body but for clothing, things that might fall out of someone's pocket, etc. I didn't mention any other cases but this one. So the clarification was unnecessary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on August 31, 2009, 08:32:02 PM
Apparently there is a lot of drug use in McCleary. Probably a lot of corruption too. No wonder.

It's not like middle class suburbia.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 31, 2009, 08:51:20 PM
I just google searched and found that post. No I don't think so. I mean, there is all sorts of biological life. I think a water sample would be of little value. I don't know what test would detect that kind of thing.

I water test our tanks every month.. Health department requires a monthly test as we have 50 homes on one pump and 4 large holding tanks.. each tank is tested and 5 homes are tested.
 If there is a dead rat in one of my 15000 gallon water tanks it will show up...
I would have to send out boil water notice to all residences connected to this tank drain the tank, clean the tank fill the tank and retest. That is why there are lids on water tanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on August 31, 2009, 09:03:11 PM
Also Carrie appears to be talking about small town, LE  EGO.
They all came a long way to get snubbed..
Maybe she will better understand WHY I do independent searches on my own.
I got very tired over the years of running into those personalities in LE and also professional search teams. It is a shame that searching for lost and missing is mucked up with such personalities..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on August 31, 2009, 09:31:28 PM
This happened in Thurston County,may not be related to Lindsey's case but you never know.I can't get the sketch of this possible kidnapper to show on my puter so if any of you can,will you post the pic please?

Attempted Kidnapping By Use Of Court Order, Officials Investigate

The mother of three children says she was contacted by a male at her home. The man told her he had a court order signed by a Thurston County Superior Court judge and told her she needed to surrender her three children.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-082809-kidnapping,0,2224579.story


I am not real good at this, so I hope this works!

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/dominic%20video/creep.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 31, 2009, 09:35:03 PM
A place where her scent was found would warrant a sifting. It wouldn't be "random." Not for a body or pieces of a body but for clothing, things that might fall out of someone's pocket, etc. I didn't mention any other cases but this one. So the clarification was unnecessary.

I believe you are taking as FACT, a rumor on the internet, that you can not provide a link too.   It would be totally random, and they do not do this randomly.  It appears that clarification was necessary. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 31, 2009, 09:56:32 PM
This happened in Thurston County,may not be related to Lindsey's case but you never know.I can't get the sketch of this possible kidnapper to show on my puter so if any of you can,will you post the pic please?

Attempted Kidnapping By Use Of Court Order, Officials Investigate

The mother of three children says she was contacted by a male at her home. The man told her he had a court order signed by a Thurston County Superior Court judge and told her she needed to surrender her three children.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-082809-kidnapping,0,2224579.story


I am not real good at this, so I hope this works!

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/dominic%20video/creep.jpg)

Wow,  that is really scary! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on August 31, 2009, 11:09:44 PM
Yes scary!  And yet again, a white van.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on August 31, 2009, 11:11:22 PM
Yes scary!  And yet again, a white van.   ::MonkeyEek:: 



Oh! you are right, I didn't catch that point. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AnnValentine on September 01, 2009, 03:25:44 PM
This is what I said:

"You know, I don't really remember where I read about the scent, but it is on these forums somewhere. Maybe a rumor, but such a thing would warrant a careful combing of that area. You could try and..I don't know..hack down foliage and plant matter..sift through the dirt. I think the kids used to play up there and that is why they might not necessarily focus on it as related to the disappearance, if it is more than just a net rumor."

I don't know where you got the idea that I thought it was a fact. That appears to be your own imagination. Now, unlike you, I actually read what people write before jumping to my own conclusions. You equalled searching the area on the assumption that a body would be found with the word randomly, and then you told me about sifting that occurred in one completely different case, as if it was the basis for my reasoning, that I -didn't even- mention.

The idea of sifting occurred to me because of my experience with sifting and if you think that -IF- scent was found in an area it wouldn't warrant a sifting, say that, but don't dismiss an idea on a reasoning process that I didn't even say (thinking a body would be there). I meant, and clearly stated, if you read it, clothing. Then later clarified for you items.

I have a serious problem with people who can't or won't read what a person writes before responding. And it already happened before when almost directly after I posted how I was going to put in a call someone exclaimed "I think YOU should call".

Excuse me?

This has to be one of the most annoying boards I've posted on. Who are you people? Get a life. If the way these people live makes you "uncomfy" get a new hobby other than other people's business.

It's the comprehension skills, I guess.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 01, 2009, 04:49:57 PM
Ok

I have no idea what that was all about..  ::MonkeyJnBox:: 



Anyways we really do need to look for a live child in this case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 01, 2009, 06:45:54 PM
AnnValentine has been banned.  There is no excuse for her rudeness and we certainly don't need it here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 01, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
This happened in Thurston County,may not be related to Lindsey's case but you never know.I can't get the sketch of this possible kidnapper to show on my puter so if any of you can,will you post the pic please?

Attempted Kidnapping By Use Of Court Order, Officials Investigate

The mother of three children says she was contacted by a male at her home. The man told her he had a court order signed by a Thurston County Superior Court judge and told her she needed to surrender her three children.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-082809-kidnapping,0,2224579.story


I am not real good at this, so I hope this works!

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/dominic%20video/creep.jpg)
Thank you NewsJunkie!
I LOVE your new fall avi.....soooo cool!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 02, 2009, 10:05:33 AM
prayers for Lindsey.... ::MonkeyAngel::
where are you???? ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 02, 2009, 12:23:47 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)

Lindsey Baum ~ Still Missing


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 02, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
listen to this

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9030437&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545903,00.html?test=latestnews


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 02, 2009, 09:02:05 PM
listen to this

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=9030437&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,545903,00.html?test=latestnews
so happy that little girl is safe! ::MonkeyAngel::

but where is Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 02, 2009, 09:02:47 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)

Lindsey Baum ~ Still Missing
::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 01:30:16 AM
 ::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hi All,
I am new to this board and am still trying to navigate my way around! I am so happy to be a monkey! I have been waiting quite a while and want to thank Klaas again for allowing me to join! I have been doing some snooping and was able to get an address of a family that moved out of McCleary shortly after LB went missing. It was a man, his girlfriend and a child. I sure would like to know who they were. Am I allowed to put up the address?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 03, 2009, 10:09:39 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hi All,
I am new to this board and am still trying to navigate my way around! I am so happy to be a monkey! I have been waiting quite a while and want to thank Klaas again for allowing me to join! I have been doing some snooping and was able to get an address of a family that moved out of McCleary shortly after LB went missing. It was a man, his girlfriend and a child. I sure would like to know who they were. Am I allowed to put up the address?
WELCOME that is interesting, a mod will tell you if you can put the address up or not  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2009, 10:19:44 AM
::MonkeyCheer2:: ::MonkeyCheer2::

Hi All,
I am new to this board and am still trying to navigate my way around! I am so happy to be a monkey! I have been waiting quite a while and want to thank Klaas again for allowing me to join! I have been doing some snooping and was able to get an address of a family that moved out of McCleary shortly after LB went missing. It was a man, his girlfriend and a child. I sure would like to know who they were. Am I allowed to put up the address?

Instead of posting their address, why don't you post the adults names and the date and state they moved to.  Also if you have any social networking links of theirs (Myspace, Facebook, Twitter), that would be helpful.

Welcome to SM!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 11:44:25 AM
Thank you for the welcome! Unfortunately, the only thing that I was able to get was the old address. I do not have their names. I was hoping someone on this site could do a bit of research to get their names from the address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 03, 2009, 12:03:45 PM
Thank you for the welcome! Unfortunately, the only thing that I was able to get was the old address. I do not have their names. I was hoping someone on this site could do a bit of research to get their names from the address.

We can get names from an address but they might not be the right names.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 03, 2009, 02:15:00 PM
did anyone by chance sceenshot the twilightfreak myspace at the botton area where the "friends" photos were?  There is a friend on there who is listed as Alice Walkers.  There use to be a photo on Alice's myspace and the photo was also on lindsey's twilightfreak site. It is not there now.

This was of an older woman who was standing in front of the back of a white van or suv.  I really really need this photo. 

just fyi, no one knows who this person is, it is not a family friend or relative etc.

sorry to bother anyone, but we really need to find that photo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 03, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
ps... if I find it first I will have someone bring it over here too. 

if someone here finds it can you please email me to tell me it is here, or email it to me
keysring@yahoo.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 03:30:12 PM
Hi,
I remember seeing that person early on and wondering who they were. I will try to search, but I am sure that you are probably a lot more computer savy than I.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 03, 2009, 05:12:53 PM
Thank you for the welcome! Unfortunately, the only thing that I was able to get was the old address. I do not have their names. I was hoping someone on this site could do a bit of research to get their names from the address.

We can get names from an address but they might not be the right names.

If it's okay with Klaas, go ahead and post the address.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 03, 2009, 07:04:52 PM
did anyone by chance sceenshot the twilightfreak myspace at the botton area where the "friends" photos were?  There is a friend on there who is listed as Alice Walkers.  There use to be a photo on Alice's myspace and the photo was also on lindsey's twilightfreak site. It is not there now.

This was of an older woman who was standing in front of the back of a white van or suv.  I really really need this photo. 

just fyi, no one knows who this person is, it is not a family friend or relative etc.

sorry to bother anyone, but we really need to find that photo.
Hi DD
I don't ever remember seeing that image on Alice Walker's MS site....in fact I thought the Alice Walker MS was a MS that Lindsey opened.
Interesting.....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 03, 2009, 08:18:43 PM
did anyone by chance sceenshot the twilightfreak myspace at the botton area where the "friends" photos were?  There is a friend on there who is listed as Alice Walkers.  There use to be a photo on Alice's myspace and the photo was also on lindsey's twilightfreak site. It is not there now.

This was of an older woman who was standing in front of the back of a white van or suv.  I really really need this photo. 

just fyi, no one knows who this person is, it is not a family friend or relative etc.

sorry to bother anyone, but we really need to find that photo.

http://www.myspace.com/477760045   NAME IS WALTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 03, 2009, 08:32:09 PM
did anyone by chance sceenshot the twilightfreak myspace at the botton area where the "friends" photos were?  There is a friend on there who is listed as Alice Walkers.  There use to be a photo on Alice's myspace and the photo was also on lindsey's twilightfreak site. It is not there now.

This was of an older woman who was standing in front of the back of a white van or suv.  I really really need this photo. 

just fyi, no one knows who this person is, it is not a family friend or relative etc.

sorry to bother anyone, but we really need to find that photo.

http://www.myspace.com/477760045   NAME IS WALTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you save the original -- there was a pix of Walters and now it is gone.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 03, 2009, 09:02:09 PM
did anyone by chance sceenshot the twilightfreak myspace at the botton area where the "friends" photos were?  There is a friend on there who is listed as Alice Walkers.  There use to be a photo on Alice's myspace and the photo was also on lindsey's twilightfreak site. It is not there now.

This was of an older woman who was standing in front of the back of a white van or suv.  I really really need this photo. 

just fyi, no one knows who this person is, it is not a family friend or relative etc.

sorry to bother anyone, but we really need to find that photo.

http://www.myspace.com/477760045   NAME IS WALTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!

did you save the original -- there was a pix of Walters and now it is gone.

No have been searching but used wrong name - now will try for the right one.
ALICE WALTERS.   I found clips of her myspace - but no full screen captures with the pic.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 10:10:21 PM
I don't remember Alice ever having a picture. I remember just seeing the name and wondering how she knew LB.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 03, 2009, 10:48:08 PM
Sebastian, yes that is the question.  However, there was originally a pix and Alice appeared much older than any of Lindsey's other friends.  Who is she I wonder?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 03, 2009, 11:06:11 PM
ps... if I find it first I will have someone bring it over here too. 

if someone here finds it can you please email me to tell me it is here, or email it to me
keysring@yahoo.com
i tried to look through every cached thing i could find but the tlf myspace has been logged into recently.  i don't have a screen capture... ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 03, 2009, 11:10:32 PM
ps... if I find it first I will have someone bring it over here too. 

if someone here finds it can you please email me to tell me it is here, or email it to me
keysring@yahoo.com
i tried to look through every cached thing i could find but the tlf myspace has been logged into recently.  i don't have a screen capture... ::MonkeyWaa::
When I first say the post I thought: DoubleDecker will have it.  Then I realized it was DD who posted it! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 03, 2009, 11:31:16 PM
ps... if I find it first I will have someone bring it over here too. 

if someone here finds it can you please email me to tell me it is here, or email it to me
keysring@yahoo.com
i tried to look through every cached thing i could find but the tlf myspace has been logged into recently.  i don't have a screen capture... ::MonkeyWaa::
When I first say the post I thought: DoubleDecker will have it.  Then I realized it was DD who posted it! ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::
i know!  ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa:: ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 03, 2009, 11:58:01 PM
Does anyone remember Kara K stating that she thought that LB may have gone off her normal path on her walk home? Does anyone remember what the name of the street was? Also, does anyone have a map with the house numbers on the streets? I was told that the guy and his girlfriend that moved after LB disappeared had a child. I just wonder if LB may have gone there. The street is on her walk home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 04, 2009, 12:35:58 AM
Does anyone remember Kara K stating that she thought that LB may have gone off her normal path on her walk home? Does anyone remember what the name of the street was? Also, does anyone have a map with the house numbers on the streets? I was told that the guy and his girlfriend that moved after LB disappeared had a child. I just wonder if LB may have gone there. The street is on her walk home.

I remember Kara stating that and we have maps in the threads pertaining to that somewhere.  I'll see if I can find them OR they may be in a separate map thread. 

Here is a link to all of KaraK's posts.  You can look through there if you want.  I can't right now but will try to later:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6810;sa=showPosts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 11:30:49 AM
thought I better come over here and clear this up if I can. 

okay I really thought that photo was on the alice walters myspace.  However, jenniferO posted over on another board there was no picture on alice walters myspace.  So... where did I see that photo then?  I know I saw it on one of the kids' myspaces.  ugh.  but where and who?

and now although there might have never been a photo attached to alice walters, we still have a problem with this which needs to be looked at, because NO ONE knows who this alice walters person is, and lindsey is the SOLE friend on alice walter page.  The timing is also very strange. 

I asked MB if she knew this person... answer NO.  she asked the kids if they knew who alice walters is, answer NO, so who is this person who signed up on june 8th, became a "friend" to LINDSEY ONLY, then last logged in on june 28th, two days after lindsey goes missing.  you will also see they sent lindsey a message saying they "wanted to play" whatever that game is at the bottom of lindsey's myspace.  Why is it, this person signed up for myspace, put some things on myspace to set it up, became lindsey's friend, (and NO ONE else's friend, not even family nor anyone), sends lindsey a message, then poof they are gone.  what was the point in the whole myspace account.  And how do you just randomly find lindsey baum on the net to become ONLY LINDSEY'S friend, then you poof two days after lindsey is missing.  And the weird thing about it, NO ONE knows who you are... someone really needs to figure out who this person is. 

now sorry, I had people looking for a photo that might not have been on there ugh... boo on me... but I am still looking for that photo.  I remember it well, and it has to be on one of those kids' myspaces.  it is the only "friend" I never got a chance to figure out who they were, and it was an older woman in front of a white van or suv.  I could swear it was on alice walters, but guess it wasn't.

thanks for trying to help me find it, and maybe it would be a good thing to help try to figure out who this alice walters is. 

I guess the police were "suppose" to check out all these myspace people... but did they?  I have my doubts...sorry, but I have my doubts about a LOT of things which were suppose to be done and were not... but that is a whole other story and I will just mind my own business about that over here... but I am through minding my own business elsewhere.  I am tired of the way this investigation has went and I am not going to be quiet about it any longer.  I might be told to shut up before this is over, and if I am TOLD to shut up, I probably will, but until then... I think its time someone says something, because lindsey has been missing way too long and if no one else is going to look at some things, then I think it is time the general public knew so they can either help look at it, or they can start asking the "WHY" questions.  If the people responsible to look at these things are not, then they need to be reminded to do so... ugh... sorry for the rant, but if you knew, you would see why I am so aggrivated.  I'm not being quiet any longer...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 11:40:02 AM
I can help with this really quick here.


ok I added to my business map. I added the places in blue, kara's house, lindsey's house, maple street, 6th street, the dog trail, tag and libby's house.

kara's is across the street from # 2 = The Olympic Christian Center

the dog trail I am not sure how far south on 6th the dogs trailed.  when I say trailed I mean pulling when on heavy scent.  I know a little more about this, but I am not sure where the heavy pulling stopped, but I do know the heavy pulling stopped at some point, BUT THE TRAIL CONTINUED ON.  I am not sure which street the dogs went EAST on after being on 6th, but I do not they ended up over EAST OF THE HIGHWAY.  I do know they "HIT" over there.  AND NOTHING WAS DONE ABOUT IT GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

oh I am going to catch h__ll over this, but oh well, this girl has been missing WAY TOO LONG and someone need to do their job.  ugh.  And if you are reading here, sorry, but you need to go search that place !!!!!!!!! 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummcmap2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 11:46:15 AM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house   GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 12:04:46 PM
omg I never intended to get over here and start posting but... people need to know...

there is a whole group of people in that town telling a ton of lies and trying to throw people off.  grrrr... they led me on so many wild goose chases it is unbelieveable.  There is a "reason why" people do that; not sure what their reason was, but I have my thoughts on that,.... but... when you sift through all the lies you still end up with info, and I found, all of these people are connected to one another.  And all these wild goose chases, though coming from different people as if it were confirmed the info was true, all originated from the same connected group of people.  So in reality, nothing confirms anything, other than a whole bunch of different people who all know one another told the same lies.  Very interesting.  So they had me all over the place... LIe, lies, lies, again... so a lot of the first info I was following had me all over the place, so much so if you go back and read a lot of things I was following it is all turned around.  Why so much effort from several people to do this?  hmmm, pretty obviously, they wanted me to believe lies and stop looking at what I was looking at.  seems a bit crazy, but once I figured this out, it all makes perfect sense especially when I figured out how they are all connected and who they are related too... then all this bs concerning overlooking a lot of things makes sense. 

anyway, now I am not even sure what happened to adam campbell and that whole situation.  heck he could be dead for all I know ugh...

I know they are reading this and I am to the point I don't care.  hey, the truth is the truth, and something is really wrong in grays harbor county and mccleary and elma have some real problems going on, and until someone goes in there and really starts questioning people and starts "searching places", this case is going nowhere. 

I am just some nobody on the net who looks at missing persons cases.  I have no influence whatsoever, but I know something is really really wrong here.  I can't do anything about it but say so.  I'll probably regret saying so, but lindsey is missing and I say it for her sake and if people in mccleary and elma get furious at me, oh well, I will deal with it when that happens. ugh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 04, 2009, 12:16:20 PM
We need the truth.  We need to find Lindsey.  This isn't the first time I've seen an orchestrated disinformation campaign.  It's a real shame, since at stake is a young girls life.  More than just a shame...a crime or crimes!  And to me, anyone that is covering, lying, taking part in disinformation, leading away from the truth and failing to tell what they know about where this child is has a certain amount of responsibility for Lindsey being missing.  For every moment that is wasted, a child's life is at stake.  Why is this happening?  Who is being protected?  Why are those doing this so afraid of the truth coming to light? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 04, 2009, 12:26:00 PM
We need the truth.  We need to find Lindsey.  This isn't the first time I've seen an orchestrated disinformation campaign.  It's a real shame, since at stake is a young girls life.  More than just a shame...a crime or crimes!  And to me, anyone that is covering, lying, taking part in disinformation, leading away from the truth and failing to tell what they know about where this child is has a certain amount of responsibility for Lindsey being missing.  For every moment that is wasted, a child's life is at stake.  Why is this happening?  Who is being protected?  Why are those doing this so afraid of the truth coming to light? 
Hi All,
I am going to try to do a search on the address that I was given. Double Decker I am wondering if you could elaborate a bit on who you are frustrated with. Is it MB's inner circle? I was reading on another site that the main players do not seem interested in searching for LB. The only one that showed up and helped search was KK. I also read that the "Aunt" MM, never showed up at all and she is the one handling the donation money isn't she? Shouldn't she have been there in case they needed money for anything? I hear your frustration and I feel it too!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 12:49:51 PM
We need the truth.  We need to find Lindsey.  This isn't the first time I've seen an orchestrated disinformation campaign.  It's a real shame, since at stake is a young girls life.  More than just a shame...a crime or crimes!  And to me, anyone that is covering, lying, taking part in disinformation, leading away from the truth and failing to tell what they know about where this child is has a certain amount of responsibility for Lindsey being missing.  For every moment that is wasted, a child's life is at stake.  Why is this happening?  Who is being protected?  Why are those doing this so afraid of the truth coming to light? 
Agreed, and thanks DD for the updates, something is very wrong, very.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 12:50:44 PM
We need the truth.  We need to find Lindsey.  This isn't the first time I've seen an orchestrated disinformation campaign.  It's a real shame, since at stake is a young girls life.  More than just a shame...a crime or crimes!  And to me, anyone that is covering, lying, taking part in disinformation, leading away from the truth and failing to tell what they know about where this child is has a certain amount of responsibility for Lindsey being missing.  For every moment that is wasted, a child's life is at stake.  Why is this happening?  Who is being protected?  Why are those doing this so afraid of the truth coming to light? 
Hi All,
I am going to try to do a search on the address that I was given. Double Decker I am wondering if you could elaborate a bit on who you are frustrated with. Is it MB's inner circle? I was reading on another site that the main players do not seem interested in searching for LB. The only one that showed up and helped search was KK. I also read that the "Aunt" MM, never showed up at all and she is the one handling the donation money isn't she? Shouldn't she have been there in case they needed money for anything? I hear your frustration and I feel it too!
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Poor little Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 12:58:31 PM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house   GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR


ugh, kara's house is to the west of 7th, between 7th and 8th, I said up there she is to the west of 8th... sorry


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 01:13:09 PM
I believe MB and KK are doing all they possibly can, with little help... there are a few people who are trying to help them but if you have LIES leading you around like a ring in your nose, you follow the lies and never look for the real truth.  And when you find the truth and no one will do anything, they truth remains hidden.  A few people might realize it but do you know how crazy it sounds to tell the truth when everyone else is saying something else.  And also, they probably feel confused and worried why certain things are not being looked at when you know full well they should be.  And if you live there, are you really going to stand up again everyone and say hey look, this is bs, no one is looking her or searching or questioning that person etc.  it is not like you can take it upon yourself to go kick in someone's door and shake them stupid until they tell you the truth..ugh...too bad it is that way, if we were back in the 1800's lindsey would have been found by now or at least some things certainly would have been looked at and searched and a few people rousted up and MADE to talk  ugh...but society is what is today and you have to tell LE what you know and rely on them to figure it out and do something... but when that is not happening, then what... you sit and wait for them to do it...well how long do you wait?  another 18 years like in jaycee dukard's case? 

ok I need to quit, I am getting on a rampage here and that is not my intention, but I am sitting here thinking if I don't say something, who is?  if each of us sits and says nothing, nothing is going to change.  I'm sick of this.  why are they not searching that house? grrr.... why are all the liars spreading lies all over the place so no one looks in the right place, but rather looks all over heck and back at the same lies coming from several people.  I don't even believe there was a white car now... I pretty much know exactly where that started and it was never even said it was a car or a truck, or if it really happened, but each person who all knows one another said it.  so here we are looking for some prevert in a white car.  this goes on and on and on, and it is not just one person lying, it is several.  but they all are connected.  then you go figure out who they are... oh unbelieveable who they are... ugh... not that I am a saint, far from it, but I am not lying to help hide what happened to a child... grrrr... 

and what is MB and kara going to do about this... what can they do?  they can't go rattle people and make them tell or make the police go search this or that.  they have to sit there and wait for someone to do what they are suppose to do, and it seems it is not happening.  ugh... there is nothing "I" can do, but tell it like I see it, and if McCleary/Elma/Grays harbor gets mad at me, oh well, I guess I'll deal with that when it happens. 

the police need to go search that house.... 2+ months later  ugh, but later is better than never...
they need to go over to elma and roust the hell out of these liars until they get the truth out of them and find out why they are telling all of these lies. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 01:41:57 PM
We need the truth.  We need to find Lindsey.  This isn't the first time I've seen an orchestrated disinformation campaign.  It's a real shame, since at stake is a young girls life.  More than just a shame...a crime or crimes!  And to me, anyone that is covering, lying, taking part in disinformation, leading away from the truth and failing to tell what they know about where this child is has a certain amount of responsibility for Lindsey being missing.  For every moment that is wasted, a child's life is at stake.  Why is this happening?  Who is being protected?  Why are those doing this so afraid of the truth coming to light? 
Hi All,
I am going to try to do a search on the address that I was given. Double Decker I am wondering if you could elaborate a bit on who you are frustrated with. Is it MB's inner circle? I was reading on another site that the main players do not seem interested in searching for LB. The only one that showed up and helped search was KK. I also read that the "Aunt" MM, never showed up at all and she is the one handling the donation money isn't she? Shouldn't she have been there in case they needed money for anything? I hear your frustration and I feel it too!

if you can get the address to me I will dig up everything.  If klaas does not want that posted here, then I understand, but I would like to know the address of the person who moved. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 02:03:29 PM
ok here is a good example right here.

look at the map, I had been given the info(not by one local, but several) that jim mullin creek is the east fork of wildact up at the top left of this map... so I think, ok this is where they searched 6 times.  so I try to figure out why would they search up there if the dogs went south on 6th... but of course LE puts out there is NO DOG SCENT, well I knew that was not true so I was following the dogs...but the police are searching jim mullins creek, so I ask locals, okay where is this creek.  omg I am told it is up there at wildcat behind simpsons... so nothing makes sense why the police would search up there and not on 6th where I know the dogs went, yet they say there is no scent... so this was a big HMMMMM with me, so I go back to the dog trail... then I am led all over the place and off the dog trail I am taken again and again and again... 

Finally, I figure out that wildcat creek is NOT jim mullins creek and it is right down there on 6th like I thought in the beginninng and was told no that is not it... so once I find out that jim mullins creek is down in the 6th area where the dogs went I go back to the dog trail.  by this time I have figured out all these people have been lying and taking me anywhere and everywhere but the dog trail area.  so I get back on the dog trail... then I find out the dog trail went weak and then continues and the police were on this right off, I mean right off... and the dogs hit on a house.  OMG.... the dogs hit on a house, and they did NOT search it... grrr.. so here is the map with the corrections I made after I had this stuff figured out. 

________________________________

[size=150]Edited to correct info given to me[/size]

at the top, wildcat creek is jim mullin creek(according to local)
it goes northeast in back of simpsons, you can't see on the map

[size=150]correction[/size]

Jim Mullin's creek is [size=150]not to the north of maple [/size]is it south down 6th area.  why someone who lives there would tell me it is wildcat creek I have no idea, but they did.  And more than one local told me this ugh... so scratch that info... now it makes more since why they searched jim mullin creek 6 times, because it is where the dogs went.


kara's house is WEST of 7th.  the dogs trailed from Kara's to 6th, south on 6th, then at some point on 6th, the trail got weak, but did keep going.  I am not sure where at south on 6th the trail went from "pulling" to "weak", at some point on one of those streets it goes EAST, not sure on which street it goes east.  the dashed lines are for weak scent on ONE of those streets I don't know which one.  But the scent ends up going that was til it gets east at a location, which I have not put on the map and can't say.  Then I don't know where it goes

marilyn lachester has said the scent ended up over by her old house on 1st and pine, but she might not know.  the place I know of is NOT at her old house.  but maybe it went that way later or trailed by there I don't know, but you can't believe anything she says.  but I know for sure where the dogs went, but not where it went after that. 

but this map gives you an idea where the dogs trailed in relation to where everything else is

I also want to say, if you look at kara's house, looking EAST down maple, you can't see even to the corner of 7th, so this is why if kara's daughter stood on the porch and was watching lindsey leave kara's, her daughter could not see lindsey past 7th.  There are trees in the way. 

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/baumdogtrail4.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 02:04:17 PM
ooopsss sorry about the blue in above post, I just copied it off of my board and forgot to change the color for this board


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 04, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Hi Double Decker,
Klaas would prefer that I do not post it here. How do I send it to you?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 02:20:41 PM
Hi Double Decker,
Klaas would prefer that I do not post it here. How do I send it to you?

you can email it to me if you like
keysring@yahoo.com
but if you don't like emailing people hmmmm not sure LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 04, 2009, 02:34:44 PM
Hi Double Decker,
Klaas would prefer that I do not post it here. How do I send it to you?

you can email it to me if you like
keysring@yahoo.com
but if you don't like emailing people hmmmm not sure LOL

Hi,
I just emailed it to you. I forgot to add that these people were renting a trailer on that property. You seem to be the one who can find things! Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 02:42:54 PM
thanks I will go look it up and get back to you.  give me a bit, I am in the middle of my morning chores also, so I am in and out all morning, out more than in LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

DD do we know the address of this house, or who owns it, or lives/lived there??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 04:12:00 PM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

DD do we know the address of this house, or who owns it, or lives/lived there??
OMG.... the dogs hit on a house, and they did NOT search it... grrr.. so here is the map with the corrections I made after I had this stuff figured out.    If the dogs hit on a house, is that not probable cause to get a warrant?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 05:28:29 PM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

That just irks the h*ll of out of me!!  How can that be?? Why??

DD do we know the address of this house, or who owns it, or lives/lived there??
OMG.... the dogs hit on a house, and they did NOT search it... grrr.. so here is the map with the corrections I made after I had this stuff figured out.    If the dogs hit on a house, is that not probable cause to get a warrant?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 05:30:52 PM
and one other thing that confused everyone early on and still does if you don't realize it...the address system in mccleary does not run the street address in sequence with the numbered streets they are in between... so because kara's house is in the 500 block you would think it is between 5th and 6th, but it is not, it is between 7th and 8th.  so she is to the West of 8th, so you can't see past 7th if kara's daughter was watching lindsey from the porch, there are trees in the way so after just a little ways you can't see where lindsey went... however the first witness who broke up the arguement between lindsey and josh, could have seen her turn south on 6th.  and it was stated a witness said lindsey took a different route home.  This coincides with the dog trailing from both sets of dogs, LE and the private dog handler MB hired. 

the dog trail was followed, there WAS SCENT, there was a WHOLE TRAIL OF SCENT, and it led south on 6th, went weak at some point(I don't know where yet) then turned east and ended up over on the east side of the highway at a house.  They did not search that house    GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

That just irks the h*ll of out of me!!  How can that be?? Why??

DD do we know the address of this house, or who owns it, or lives/lived there??
OMG.... the dogs hit on a house, and they did NOT search it... grrr.. so here is the map with the corrections I made after I had this stuff figured out.    If the dogs hit on a house, is that not probable cause to get a warrant?

inexcusable


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 05:51:46 PM
I know the address, yes.

they could have searched the house.  they were given permission to search the house. they did not. 

I am probably going to catch hell over posting this, but, come on.  someone has to say something and someone has to know they have to do something about this.  we can't just sit here and be quiet and wait for centuries to pass to say HEY GO SEARCH and quit this lying and hush hush crap.

also, I just read over on insessions board that this info was not even given to laura recovery etc.  they told everyone lindsey is last seen between 5th and 6th on maple.  This is crazy... how can people plan searches when no one is telling them anything.  it might not make a huge difference if they don't know about the dog trail, but... it should.. because it leads you to a specific area you might not think of looking.  why in the world were they not told about this?  I'm just ....HUHH????

I feel like I am over here saying things no one wants me to say, but omg, I can't just sit and not say this any longer.  people are out there trying to search(or at least "SOME" people are) and even the organization planning the searches is not being told, or they are not saying or something.  what the heck... do I have to get on here and look like I'm mental because everyone else is just sitting there not saying anything, then when I do, I look like a nut because no one else knows this stuff?  grrrrrr...

well I am saying it, and I don't have a clue why no one else is saying it, but I am tired of sitting here trying to work on this and thinking omg I can't say this or that because no one knows, then I read not even the search orgs know.  what??? !!!! 

I can't believe this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 05:57:42 PM
now... how do you get someone to go search that dang place?  I can't go call and say HEY YOU NEED TO GO SEARCH THAT PLACE... who am I to call them to tell them what to do... but maybe if enough people know about it, they will go search it.  so I am posting it out here and if they read here I am saying GO SEARCH THAT HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 06:01:09 PM
GRRR.... what is the point of me sitting here day and night looking up all this stuff or trying to help, when if I do ever find something worthwhile it goes nowhere, in one ear and out the other... my god if they won't even search that house they sure as heck are not going to listen to any tips coming from anyone.  are they?  gee, I don't want to think this is the way it is, but you really have to wonder. 

ugh.. now what? 

where else was not searched?  who else was not questioned?  what tips are ignored?  who the hell is running this show?  ugh....

I feel like saying "I give up, what is the point"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 04, 2009, 06:19:52 PM
GRRR.... what is the point of me sitting here day and night looking up all this stuff or trying to help, when if I do ever find something worthwhile it goes nowhere, in one ear and out the other... my god if they won't even search that house they sure as heck are not going to listen to any tips coming from anyone.  are they?  gee, I don't want to think this is the way it is, but you really have to wonder. 

ugh.. now what? 

where else was not searched?  who else was not questioned?  what tips are ignored?  who the hell is running this show?  ugh....

I feel like saying "I give up, what is the point"


BBM

That's probably what some would wish...the whole thing will just get dropped and everyone will go away and leave it alone.  I can see only a small part of the effort you and some of the others have put in toward finding Lindsey.  I really don't know how to get action on the things that are needed.  Maybe it isn't constructive, but I keep wondering why the inaction, which appears like a cover up for someone or something.   What and whom are the powers that be?  And why do they not want Lindsey found?  Could it be one of their own that the tracks are being covered for?  And who would be influential/powerful or wield enough threat to have a group of people and possibly some in authority to either not act on things or to try to move attention away?  Or is it someone that is so greatly beloved that is protected?  I am wondering just what you asked DD "Who's running the show?"  Pulling the strings behind the curtain?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 06:27:08 PM
now... how do you get someone to go search that dang place?  I can't go call and say HEY YOU NEED TO GO SEARCH THAT PLACE... who am I to call them to tell them what to do... but maybe if enough people know about it, they will go search it.  so I am posting it out here and if they read here I am saying GO SEARCH THAT HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!
If they were given permission to search that house, there are no excuses, is the FBI not involved anymore? I can't imagine that they would not bother to search, but then who knows anymore? I'll bet if the child that went missing had a family that had money, a whole different attitude would be going on right now. Are there people that live in the house, or is the house for sale or in foreclosure?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 06:29:20 PM
GRRR.... what is the point of me sitting here day and night looking up all this stuff or trying to help, when if I do ever find something worthwhile it goes nowhere, in one ear and out the other... my god if they won't even search that house they sure as heck are not going to listen to any tips coming from anyone.  are they?  gee, I don't want to think this is the way it is, but you really have to wonder. 

ugh.. now what? 

where else was not searched?  who else was not questioned?  what tips are ignored?  who the hell is running this show?  ugh....

I feel like saying "I give up, what is the point"


BBM

That's probably what some would wish...the whole thing will just get dropped and everyone will go away and leave it alone.  I can see only a small part of the effort you and some of the others have put in toward finding Lindsey.  I really don't know how to get action on the things that are needed.  Maybe it isn't constructive, but I keep wondering why the inaction, which appears like a cover up for someone or something.   What and whom are the powers that be?  And why do they not want Lindsey found?  Could it be one of their own that the tracks are being covered for?  And who would be influential/powerful or wield enough threat to have a group of people and possibly some in authority to either not act on things or to try to move attention away?  Or is it someone that is so greatly beloved that is protected?  I am wondering just what you asked DD "Who's running the show?"  Pulling the strings behind the curtain?
Could very well be one of their own, they are covering for  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I really don't know what to think anymore.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 07:07:20 PM
I am told people live there, a couple, with adult children who live there as well.  I found they have adult sons.  I am not sure which sons live there but I found one who lives in olympia but went to elma high and I believe they have relatives who might live on 6th as well.  they have a last name they spell more than one way, so hard to tell if they are related or not.

I don't find anything weird about the people though.  but that does not mean they aren't.  does not matter, what matters is they should have searched the house and they should search it now if they did not.  I am told they did not search it and when asked about it nothing is happening. 

so whether or not it even has to do with anything(which the dogs seems to think it did), the thing is, why in the world would they not search that house, and does this mean there are other houses they don't search as well or other tips they pick and choose what they want to look at and what they don't.

and as far as some muckity mucks in the town yes there are and I ran into them while looking, ones who have been there since 1920's, and are very influential and some of their relatives are part of the drug community and tied to the main drug dealers in elma.  so .... big HMMMMMMM, I don't know

and also there is another connection I am not saying but involves someone that might have some way to influence, but I am not saying HOW ugh, I don't like saying stuff like that but I found them as a relative to these same drug people.. who by the way are part of the liars.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 07:12:42 PM
yi yi yi yi yi, is about all I am thinking and this kind of knowledge can get a person in deep doo doo.  so, I don't know.  I just know, it might just be useless to try... when you run into things like this there is not a lot you can do.  I have lived in places like this, and you just sit and live, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing and go on about life, or you move, even if you don't want to ugh...

so... not sure.. guess I am just at a loss.  I can't do anything, I'm nobody.  so what do you do?  guess you just let people know and hope like heck if people know they will have to go do what they are suppose to do.. if not, I guess I get contacted and told to shut up or whatever.  I expect it. ugh.  I'm a fighter but ... one person can't do much good against this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 07:17:27 PM
I don't know how mb is ever going to get anything done, I really don't.  She needs help.  I don't know how I can be that kind of help.  I do what I can, but how much can I do with this going on.  I don't have the kind of contacts to make people do things, and I know trying in these situations is useless.  there is no way I can make the police do what I think they should do.  LOL... I am sure they are not too happy with me right now because I am saying this... and maybe it isn't this way, but what other way is it then?

sad to say, but I think nothing is going to happen


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 04, 2009, 07:22:05 PM
DD
great to see you again...off the cuff-good ol boys? drug ran town? bad church? bad church drug ran town? 
as far as the unsearched house?  can you call for a well-fair check...just 'cause your 'worried' about your 'aunt'?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 04, 2009, 07:22:43 PM
yi yi yi yi yi, is about all I am thinking and this kind of knowledge can get a person in deep doo doo.  so, I don't know.  I just know, it might just be useless to try... when you run into things like this there is not a lot you can do.  I have lived in places like this, and you just sit and live, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing and go on about life, or you move, even if you don't want to ugh...

so... not sure.. guess I am just at a loss.  I can't do anything, I'm nobody.  so what do you do?  guess you just let people know and hope like heck if people know they will have to go do what they are suppose to do.. if not, I guess I get contacted and told to shut up or whatever.  I expect it. ugh.  I'm a fighter but ... one person can't do much good against this.
Maybe if more people knew what was going on it could be fought together?
Personally I am tired of not knowing and tired of the few who may know saying they know but cannot tell me.Can everyone just talk straight and direct please?What house are you talking about DD?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 07:29:49 PM
DD
great to see you again...off the cuff-good ol boys? drug ran town? bad church? bad church drug ran town? 
as far as the unsearched house?  can you call for a well-fair check...just 'cause your 'worried' about your 'aunt'?

hahah YOUR aunt NOT MINE LOL.. no way in heck will I mess around too much.  I think I about crossed the line already...

MB need a private investigator... that is about all I can say.  one with a lot of guts!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 04, 2009, 07:33:59 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 04, 2009, 07:37:19 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry
you're never a bother...please don't be gone for to long ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 07:42:58 PM
I don't know how mb is ever going to get anything done, I really don't.  She needs help.  I don't know how I can be that kind of help.  I do what I can, but how much can I do with this going on.  I don't have the kind of contacts to make people do things, and I know trying in these situations is useless.  there is no way I can make the police do what I think they should do.  LOL... I am sure they are not too happy with me right now because I am saying this... and maybe it isn't this way, but what other way is it then?

sad to say, but I think nothing is going to happen
But you are sure trying, and for that we are very much appreciative. I don't know how MB is going to get anywhere, I just don't understand, is the FBI still involved?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 04, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry
DD,I'm sorry,I am tired and crabby today.I have been reading all over at different websites and just about every one of them(about Lindsey)has a few locals or posters who know people involved in this case and every time they DO say something that contains info or possible info.....they edit info out of their posts or a mod removes the whole post or the poster lets everyone and their Gramma know that they know stuff but they won't post it and on and on it goes till all I have left is to pray for Lindsey.So then that leaves me even more confused.
Sorry,I didn't mean to offend you but can you please say what house you are talking about and is this the same house that Sebastian has posted about with the people moving right after Lindsey disappeared?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 07:43:30 PM
DD
great to see you again...off the cuff-good ol boys? drug ran town? bad church? bad church drug ran town? 
as far as the unsearched house?  can you call for a well-fair check...just 'cause your 'worried' about your 'aunt'?
That's a thought


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 07:45:26 PM
DD
great to see you again...off the cuff-good ol boys? drug ran town? bad church? bad church drug ran town? 
as far as the unsearched house?  can you call for a well-fair check...just 'cause your 'worried' about your 'aunt'?

hahah YOUR aunt NOT MINE LOL.. no way in heck will I mess around too much.  I think I about crossed the line already...

MB need a private investigator... that is about all I can say.  one with a lot of guts!
But one that would do it free or little money because she doesn't have much, I think you are right, a PI can find a lot of things out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: pink angel on September 04, 2009, 07:46:00 PM
Where have the police said there was a scent? It was stated in many articles that the police dogs never picked up Lindsey's scent.

I suggest calling the Seattle FBI field office and tell them about this scent stuff and asked why the house wasn't searched. Tell them you don't think the local LE is doing all that they could/should be doing for Lindsey. MB's mom should do it. Call them, I mean.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 07:46:40 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry
DD,I'm sorry,I am tired and crabby today.I have been reading all over at different websites and just about every one of them(about Lindsey)has a few locals or posters who know people involved in this case and every time they DO say something that contains info or possible info.....they edit info out of their posts or a mod removes the whole post or the poster lets everyone and their Gramma know that they know stuff but they won't post it and on and on it goes till all I have left is to pray for Lindsey.So then that leaves me even more confused.
Sorry,I didn't mean to offend you but can you please say what house you are talking about and is this the same house that Sebastian has posted about with the people moving right after Lindsey disappeared?

I think everyone is beyond frustrating, is it the same house that Sebastian is talking about?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 07:47:16 PM
yi yi yi yi yi, is about all I am thinking and this kind of knowledge can get a person in deep doo doo.  so, I don't know.  I just know, it might just be useless to try... when you run into things like this there is not a lot you can do.  I have lived in places like this, and you just sit and live, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing and go on about life, or you move, even if you don't want to ugh...

so... not sure.. guess I am just at a loss.  I can't do anything, I'm nobody.  so what do you do?  guess you just let people know and hope like heck if people know they will have to go do what they are suppose to do.. if not, I guess I get contacted and told to shut up or whatever.  I expect it. ugh.  I'm a fighter but ... one person can't do much good against this.
Maybe if more people knew what was going on it could be fought together?
Personally I am tired of not knowing and tired of the few who may know saying they know but cannot tell me.Can everyone just talk straight and direct please?What house are you talking about DD?

Karma,  I believe it started when DD said that the dogs did pick up a scent, and they tracked it all the way down 6th to the highway and then to a house directly across from the highway.  She was told the dogs hit on a scent there, and it was not searched.   I believe I have this right, someone correct me if i am wrong. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 07:49:05 PM
yi yi yi yi yi, is about all I am thinking and this kind of knowledge can get a person in deep doo doo.  so, I don't know.  I just know, it might just be useless to try... when you run into things like this there is not a lot you can do.  I have lived in places like this, and you just sit and live, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing and go on about life, or you move, even if you don't want to ugh...

so... not sure.. guess I am just at a loss.  I can't do anything, I'm nobody.  so what do you do?  guess you just let people know and hope like heck if people know they will have to go do what they are suppose to do.. if not, I guess I get contacted and told to shut up or whatever.  I expect it. ugh.  I'm a fighter but ... one person can't do much good against this.
Maybe if more people knew what was going on it could be fought together?
Personally I am tired of not knowing and tired of the few who may know saying they know but cannot tell me.Can everyone just talk straight and direct please?What house are you talking about DD?



Karma,  I believe it started when DD said that the dogs did pick up a scent, and they tracked it all the way down 6th to the highway and then to a house directly across from the highway.  She was told the dogs hit on a scent there, and it was not searched.   I believe I have this right, someone correct me if i am wrong


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 04, 2009, 07:54:48 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry
DD,I'm sorry,I am tired and crabby today.I have been reading all over at different websites and just about every one of them(about Lindsey)has a few locals or posters who know people involved in this case and every time they DO say something that contains info or possible info.....they edit info out of their posts or a mod removes the whole post or the poster lets everyone and their Gramma know that they know stuff but they won't post it and on and on it goes till all I have left is to pray for Lindsey.So then that leaves me even more confused.
Sorry,I didn't mean to offend you but can you please say what house you are talking about and is this the same house that Sebastian has posted about with the people moving right after Lindsey disappeared?

I think everyone is beyond frustrating, is it the same house that Sebastian is talking about?
I have no clue NoRose.
I'm also not trying to argue with anyone but jeez o pete,if so many people know this and that and other info that we have not heard in the media or from the LE themselves......then why is Lindsey still missing?
I just don't know what to think anymore and I never liked to tango(in Natalee's case) and (I don't like to play the I know something and I can't tell you but I just want you to know that I know something....game) so I am left with.....praying for sweet Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 04, 2009, 07:56:18 PM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry

dd, we've been researching for a long time together, which I am grateful as you have taught me so much.  But my friend, sometimes you think what you say is straight and direct, yet there are little curves in there sometimes.  So, are you saying there is a house on or near 6th street where the residents gave permission to search and it has not been searched?  Who would know the exact house? the police dogs' handlers?
I know you're tired, I don't know if you ever sleep.  There has to be a way we can help for we all feel so helpless.  We will never give up!  Bring Lindsey home!!!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 04, 2009, 07:58:44 PM
yi yi yi yi yi, is about all I am thinking and this kind of knowledge can get a person in deep doo doo.  so, I don't know.  I just know, it might just be useless to try... when you run into things like this there is not a lot you can do.  I have lived in places like this, and you just sit and live, say nothing, see nothing, hear nothing and go on about life, or you move, even if you don't want to ugh...

so... not sure.. guess I am just at a loss.  I can't do anything, I'm nobody.  so what do you do?  guess you just let people know and hope like heck if people know they will have to go do what they are suppose to do.. if not, I guess I get contacted and told to shut up or whatever.  I expect it. ugh.  I'm a fighter but ... one person can't do much good against this.
Maybe if more people knew what was going on it could be fought together?
Personally I am tired of not knowing and tired of the few who may know saying they know but cannot tell me.Can everyone just talk straight and direct please?What house are you talking about DD?

Karma,  I believe it started when DD said that the dogs did pick up a scent, and they tracked it all the way down 6th to the highway and then to a house directly across from the highway.  She was told the dogs hit on a scent there, and it was not searched.   I believe I have this right, someone correct me if i am wrong. 
Yes,DD said this so I think that is a different house than the one Sebastian is talking about.DD has also said she was lied to from people close to the case so how does she know to trust this person telling her where the dogs scented?IMO KK started a few rumors about those dog searches.....I don't know if those rumors are in fact the truth.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 04, 2009, 08:02:11 PM
KarmaR, I do know the verification of the dogs picking up the scent was done by the private dog handler that was hired.  So I am confident it is not a rumor.  It was also verified where the scent went and where it trailed off.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 04, 2009, 08:04:24 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 04, 2009, 08:22:23 PM
Hi All,
I could be wrong but I don't think that the address that I gave DD has anything to do with what she is talking about. I have no idea as to the liars that she is referring either.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::
He sure wouldn't.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 04, 2009, 08:31:57 PM
Hi All,
I could be wrong but I don't think that the address that I gave DD has anything to do with what she is talking about. I have no idea as to the liars that she is referring either.
Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 04, 2009, 08:36:28 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 04, 2009, 08:39:24 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 


Wyks, do you think Padilla would do this gratious?  I am sure MB has no funds to pay for a private investigator.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 04, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 


Wyks, do you think Padilla would do this gratious?  I am sure MB has no funds to pay for a private investigator.

I think he might.  Esp if he was told about the lack of action on the local LE, etc.  If anything, it seems that he has a good heart, compassion and a sense of wanting to right the wrongs in a case.   Kind of like swooping in on a white horse... with a black hat and toothpick.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 04, 2009, 11:25:03 PM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 


Wyks, do you think Padilla would do this gratious?  I am sure MB has no funds to pay for a private investigator.

I think he might.  Esp if he was told about the lack of action on the local LE, etc.  If anything, it seems that he has a good heart, compassion and a sense of wanting to right the wrongs in a case.   Kind of like swooping in on a white horse... with a black hat and toothpick.   ::MonkeyWink::



Well, he does like publicity, and this would bring attention to the case that it needs!  It wouldn't hurt to ask him!  At least it would get some others to start paying attention. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 05, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Hi All,
I could be wrong but I don't think that the address that I gave DD has anything to do with what she is talking about. I have no idea as to the liars that she is referring either.
sebastian....so happy you are here ::(monkey hug)::  what are your thoughts on this? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 05, 2009, 02:17:22 AM
o.O

The FBI was given persmission to investigate the house that the dogs picked up a scent at, but they didn't investigate? That's awkward. I actually am debating if I believe that or not. Where is this information coming from? The most information I get is word of mouth information on her and the case locally. And usually the word of mouth I get has been recycled through the town a few good times. If someone has a direct link to where this information has come from, I would love to see it.

And to everyone who is here, it may be frustrating to do so much, but not have results we want. We cross off those bad results and explore new ones, it's steps closer to the case being cracked. I even hear from word of mouth that law enforcement was going to start looking through threads and forums to see if someone else came up with a clue that they missed. So there's a chance that something on the forums will trigger a clue for them, and that could be in any post!

My frustration over the case is worth it. I want to know that Lindsey has been found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 05, 2009, 02:31:45 AM
And my greatest apologies, I stumbled on the information I asked about regarding where the houses not being searched came from.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 03:42:20 AM
Where have the police said there was a scent? It was stated in many articles that the police dogs never picked up Lindsey's scent.

I suggest calling the Seattle FBI field office and tell them about this scent stuff and asked why the house wasn't searched. Tell them you don't think the local LE is doing all that they could/should be doing for Lindsey. MB's mom should do it. Call them, I mean. <-----dd bolded this

I think that is the best idea yet. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 04:08:48 AM
hmmm thought I was being straight and direct... can't get much more direct than that.. I try but I guess it doesn't come out right.  oh well.  sorry I make you tired, did not mean to, guess I should just not bother anyone.  sorry

dd, we've been researching for a long time together, which I am grateful as you have taught me so much.  But my friend, sometimes you think what you say is straight and direct, yet there are little curves in there sometimes.  So, are you saying there is a house on or near 6th street where the residents gave permission to search and it has not been searched?  Who would know the exact house? the police dogs' handlers?
I know you're tired, I don't know if you ever sleep.  There has to be a way we can help for we all feel so helpless.  We will never give up!  Bring Lindsey home!!!!!

yes, who would know this exact location?  not too many people I would not think.  I find it pretty interesting I know about it but no one else does.  Now isn't that interesting.  Of course I made sure I confirmed it.  wow confirmed info, yet no one else knows about it.  Not the police, not the searchers, not all of mccleary, not anyone on all the forums.  I wonder if the dog handlers know about it? Now that would really be interesting.  Well believe me, I confirmed the info with TWO different people who have the dog report.  So ... yes, this is all pretty interesting and I do believe mb needs to call the fbi and tell them all of this. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 04:15:58 AM
let me make this clear... when I say I confirmed this info about the dogs on 6th going to the house on cedar and the cedar house not searched, I confirmed that with two people who had the dog report, who know all about this house not searched, who know all about the dog trail, so there is no reason in the world I should not believe them.  right?
why should I not believe them? and if this is true, someone needs to do something about it. seems to be a lot of people don't believe this info, well, all I can say is, this is going to get very interesting


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 04:22:56 AM
I don't mind looking stupid for awhile or sounding nuts for awhile so long as the outcome is the truth comes out.  Just keep that in mind.  There's a method do my madness.  But if it does not get cleared up soon... well... it just will.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 05, 2009, 04:26:30 AM
I don't mind looking stupid for awhile or sounding nuts for awhile so long as the outcome is the truth comes out.  Just keep that in mind.  There's a method do my madness.  But if it does not get cleared up soon... well... it just will.


yes, it will.  Of that I am confident.  If there is a snake in the wood pile . . . well, we know what happens to snakes, even if they don't have a rattler.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 04:39:33 AM
I sure hope mb calls the fbi, and if not maybe kara will call them for her.  If they would just do that I am sure this whole thing would get cleared up. It's best they do it, they know more about it than I do.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 04:44:03 AM
I don't mind looking stupid for awhile or sounding nuts for awhile so long as the outcome is the truth comes out.  Just keep that in mind.  There's a method do my madness.  But if it does not get cleared up soon... well... it just will.


yes, it will.  Of that I am confident.  If there is a snake in the wood pile . . . well, we know what happens to snakes, even if they don't have a rattler.

Now Sister, is that straight and direct?  or is there a bit of a curve in that one too?

all in all though, peeps, a really good thing is happening.  And just as soon as someone calls the fbi, I am sure they will understand all of this. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 05, 2009, 05:18:13 AM
I don't mind looking stupid for awhile or sounding nuts for awhile so long as the outcome is the truth comes out.  Just keep that in mind.  There's a method do my madness.  But if it does not get cleared up soon... well... it just will.


yes, it will.  Of that I am confident.  If there is a snake in the wood pile . . . well, we know what happens to snakes, even if they don't have a rattler.

Now Sister, is that straight and direct?  or is there a bit of a curve in that one too?

all in all though, peeps, a really good thing is happening.  And just as soon as someone calls the fbi, I am sure they will understand all of this. 

dd, that is as straight and direct as it can be -- MB and/or KK needs to call the FBI.  Can't make if any clearer than that, and when they do, this will all be understood perfectly.  And you are also right, a lot of good wil come out of this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 05, 2009, 09:54:15 AM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 


IMO there isn't enough media coverage in McCleary to get Padilla and Cobra to go there.I would love to be proven wrong on that opinion.   ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 05, 2009, 10:04:55 AM
DD. Has anyone talked to KK and MB about calling the FBI with the information?  I mean directly talked to them about this action, not post on the board, etc.  Why would they even hesitate?? Man, I would be on the phone in 20 seconds after hearing this info.  What would be their motivation for not calling???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 10:06:27 AM
Where have the police said there was a scent? It was stated in many articles that the police dogs never picked up Lindsey's scent.

I suggest calling the Seattle FBI field office and tell them about this scent stuff and asked why the house wasn't searched. Tell them you don't think the local LE is doing all that they could/should be doing for Lindsey. MB's mom should do it. Call them, I mean. <-----dd bolded this

I think that is the best idea yet. 
Good Morning, I agree also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 10:10:51 AM
I sure hope mb calls the fbi, and if not maybe kara will call them for her.  If they would just do that I am sure this whole thing would get cleared up. It's best they do it, they know more about it than I do.   ::MonkeyWink::
Well lets hope they do, for goodness sake if I were the mother of Lindsey I would be on the phone and doing everything in my power, and not just sitting and waiting for the cops to do something. They know more about it than I do, very intriguing, don't know exactly what you are meaning, but my interest is peaked.  ::MonkeyWink::   I better clarify that I don't necessarily mean Melissa is just sitting, because that I don't know, I just no I would be more vocal.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 10:11:34 AM
Have been listening today to some of the tapes from the Caylee Anthony case, and thought this is one case I wish Leonard P. was on, because he wouldn't give a ____ whose toes he stepped on.
::MonkeyCool::

Been reading along with all y'all, digesting all this latest.  And my first thought was also wishing that Padilla would be called in on this.  Him and/or Cobra. 

Also, am thinking this info needs to be given directly to the FBI.  If some of the locals incl perhaps the local LE is not getting behind the doing of what needs to be done, as it sounds like, surely the FBI has the authority to sweep past them and leave no stone unturned. 

I would think the authorities would not want another case like Jaycee's on their hands, certainly not at a federal level. 

Soooooo my suggestion if for DD to go to the FBI with all that is known, and strongly suggest to Lindsey's mom to call in Padilla and Cobra.  They aren't the least bit 'shy' about getting sh!t done. 


IMO there isn't enough media coverage in McCleary to get Padilla and Cobra to go there.I would love to be proven wrong on that opinion.   ::MonkeyWink::
  ::MonkeyWink::  I was afraid to say that  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 10:40:26 AM
DD. Has anyone talked to KK and MB about calling the FBI with the information?  I mean directly talked to them about this action, not post on the board, etc.  Why would they even hesitate?? Man, I would be on the phone in 20 seconds after hearing this info.  What would be their motivation for not calling???

I really do not know the answers to those questions.  I wish I did.

I did a lot of thinking about this all night.  I want to do the right thing, so I have to be careful what I say at this point.  I have to be sure what is really going on here; and at this point I truthfully don't really know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 10:47:07 AM
DD. Has anyone talked to KK and MB about calling the FBI with the information?  I mean directly talked to them about this action, not post on the board, etc.  Why would they even hesitate?? Man, I would be on the phone in 20 seconds after hearing this info.  What would be their motivation for not calling???

I really do not know the answers to those questions.  I wish I did.

I did a lot of thinking about this all night.  I want to do the right thing, so I have to be careful what I say at this point.  I have to be sure what is really going on here; and at this point I truthfully don't really know.
Whatever you do it will be the right thing  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 10:47:11 AM
this is the response I posted to someone who is a little upset with what is happening right now.  This person works alongside of me and it pretty upset at the way I am our work is being trashed.  I don't blame them, I feel the same way, but there are more important factors than worrying about who is trashing me or whatever.  So this is how I responded to them about this whole situation.  So I think I will just say the same thing to everyone here.  And this is about all I can say.  And from here on, I will try to answer the best I can without jeapordizing anything to do with lindsey.  There is a lot I want to say, but I better not...

my response to a person who works alongside of me and understands just about as much of this as I do.


this is much much deeper than someone coming to the board to start trouble. I am not sure why anyone is doing what they are doing, and it might take me a little bit to figure it out, but I will; I always do.

first I had that group of local liars running me all over. Why I still do not know.

Now I have something even more mindboggling going on. Again, it seems there is a consorted effort to lie to me... but this time, it makes no sense whatsoever, but when something like this happens, there is a deep underlying reason. It might take awhile to uncover all the crap and dig deep into it, but the truth is down there somewhere. In situations like this it takes more than a couple of people with shovels to get down to the bottom of the pit; sometimes it takes a backhoe or an excavator. I have acces to both. And if that is not enough, you pull out the explosives and blast the whole thing apart and let everyone get in there to toss out the loose dirt.

here is basically how I am going to handle this. I am going to "listen". I will give everyone the benefit of doubt, but they need to talk to me. If they sit silent and will not tell me what is going on, then I will decide what I will do next. I don't particularly like sitting here having the world told I am lying, I am nuts, I am making this stuff up because I want to be noticed or whatever. I don't like someone trying to discredit me because then that discredits my work, and my work if for the missing etc. I don't do this day and night and work my butt off etc because I think this is fun or I want people to notice me or whatever it is some people think about all of this. All the time I put into this I could be putting into work to help myself (which truth be told I use to have a lot of money when I worked, but I gave that all up when I started doing this. There is not one dime to help myself when I spend all my hours helping do this rather than run a lucrative business). People have no idea what I have given up to do this. I certainly did not give all that up so I could come to the net and play around and work my butt off for nothing for myself and then make up stories/lies to post to the world on a crime forum. And right now I am putting up with an awfully lot of crap from people because I know in the end what I am doing is going to shed a whole lot of light on "something" no one realizes.

So I have to sit here, put up with this until I can lay it all out there. I am totally torn between just putting it all out there so everyone will understand and risk blowing this whole thing, or I can sit here, look like the bad guy and the idiot and crazy person, attention seeker, confused person, etc, whatever; and hope people will understand that I have to sit here and not say anything until this mess can be unraveled and the information gets to the right place...wherever the heck that might be at this point. At this point I just am not sure what is the best thing to do.... but this is not about me, it is about Lindsey, so I can't get hasty here and try to defend myself if it might cause lindsey not to be found.

so... I have to just take the crap and put up with it, until the time is right to explain all of this. If I were to explain it all right now, I'm not sure who that might affect the outcome of Lindsey. And believe me, it is very hard for me to sit here and put up with this crap... I'm really not the kind of person to take crap from anyone, but if I were to get out here and voice what I really think and what is really going on behind the scenes, it would be very selfish of me, because it would be to defend myself moreso than to get to the truth.

So just keep reminding me, better for me to look like an idiot than to defend myself and hinder lindsey being brought home.

In the meantime if people want to trash me etc, they can do that I guess. I'll just continue to try to work on this in spite of it. It is going to be kind of hard to explain much of what I am working on without exposing some things which should not be exposed at this time.... so probably some of the things I work on or say or put out here might not make a lot of sense, but I don't have a choice at this point.

So... I'll just work along and see where all of this goes, and when I feel like the time is right to explain it I will; and if for some reason that time never becomes right, I will sit here and just not say anything. ugh.

you know what is going on, a few others do, but just let it be for now. It's not okay, but it is okay. I can live with it this way for now. But this is hurting all these cases, because everytime I don't explain myself, is that much more no one will bother to use the info we are putting out there, because they will listen to what people say and not want to help here or use the information. That will hurt a lot of casework. So there is more at stake here than just Lindsey's case.

oh well, we'll see what happens, if anyone wants to bail and get away from this, I understand. It's not going to be easy to put up with. but I refuse to let this become about defending myself rather than working on the cases

EDIT:  I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THIS GO ON AT SM - PLEASE DO NOT BRING PROBLEMS OUTSIDE OF SM TO SM.  


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 10:59:44 AM
DD, thank-you, I take your word for what you are all doing, and when and if you think it is right to explain more you will. Please keep up all the good work you are doing. Don't worry if someone thinks you are crazy, so what let them, it doesn't change what you are as a person  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 11:19:40 AM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 11:25:41 AM
I just want to say....


There are many great researchers on this board, many great analyzers, brainstormers, information gatherers, etc.  I can say the same for a lot of the people over on ws also.  I discuss things and research things with people from both boards.  There are people I have worked with on cases for several years who come to neither boards.  I believe in sharing information that might help someone see something.  I will research info for someone no matter who they are as long as they are trying to work on something and not just sending me on wild goose chases for the purpose of thinking it is funny to lead me around while they are entertaining themself; and believe me there are a lot of people on these crime forums who do just that.  I try to stay away from that kind of thing. 

I would like to believe the persons giving me info to research are sincere and not purposely wasting mine and others' time.  I would certainly hope people close to the case are not leading me on wild goose chases.  I just can't comprehend why someone would do that.  I would hope others are not being led around like that either.  But the truth is, someone is being lied to, whether it is me or it is someone else, I really am not sure at this point.  But it is really sad that someone would lie to anyone when it comes to a missing child, especially, if you are portraying yourself to be helping to find that child.  Who would do that, and WHY?  There has to be a reason.

The sad thing about it is, those of us who are trying to help cannot understand why one another is saying what we do.  If someone has never been caught up in this kind of craziness before they automatically think the other person is lying, but I have been around enough craziness in so many cases that I know sometimes the source is not the people trying to help at all.  It is the person feeding the info to the people helping.  And in this case, I believe this is what is happening here. 

I don't want anyone to blame any of the people on the boards who try to hard to solve these cases.  I received several emails and pm's yesterday directing me to some posts on WS where I was being trashed.  I believe this person in all sincerity believed what they were saying about me, and I understand why they would believe that to be true of me... and I an the other hand thought why in the world is this person doing that.  But that person is not the source of the problem and neither am I.  So please, no one start pointing fingers at different posters on the boards.  It is none of us who is the cause of this.  There is something much deeper going on here.  There are no "sides" we are all on the same side; it is just we have different information.  Why I am not sure, but we do.  So when someone sees me out here putting out info they do not have which contradicts the info they do have, they think I am making this stuff up.  It makes sense they would think that if they have different info.  So we can't fight amongst ourselves, we have to get to the bottom of this, and we can't do that if people are trashing one another or fighting without knowing what is really going on here.

Let us get to the bottom of this mess, we are on the same side, working to find lindsey, it is just that someone/someones are obviously not telling someone the truth.  At this point I don't know for certain who is lying about what, but someone is, and for whatever reason is beyond me.  Someone is purposely putting lies out here.  Something is really wrong and it is not coming from the people on the boards trying to help.  So we should not be arguing amongst the people helping, nor should we be trashing one another; rather we should be getting together and figuring out just what is really going on here;  I believe we are doing just that now. 

so please, no fingerpointing at the very people trying to help.  It is of no fault of our own this has happened. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 05, 2009, 11:27:47 AM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 11:48:39 AM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 
Besides Lindsey's family and a few select others that is all I can see that want Lindsey found. I'm not talking about anyone on any forum, I'm talking about in the town, my perception is a lot of people in the town could care less if she is found or not, I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems that way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 05, 2009, 11:56:14 AM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 

DD, please, please don't leave!! You're researching skills are amazing, and we need you!! Please reconsider!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 05, 2009, 12:25:02 PM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 
Besides Lindsey's family and a few select others that is all I can see that want Lindsey found. I'm not talking about anyone on any forum, I'm talking about in the town, my perception is a lot of people in the town could care less if she is found or not, I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems that way.


With all the research being done or that has been done, from the day to day activity in or around McCleary, I would say not to exclude your perception, the majority rules that there are some of the town people who are set innot helping.

Very sad that people who are from afar who research, extensively mind you, get so involved just to get things to come out. That is how it works, you research, you speak with people, you put yourself out there because you care, you care about Lindsey, or any other child you research. So is this hapening in McCleary? Is the search that is happening in McCleary respondent to all the personality types that surrounded Lindsey, are they going in deep as the researches do taking notice of those who Lindseys was around? Hence, to me it is sad when researchers from afar do that and the ones right there in the physical do not. There may be a few, but a very minute few.

As far as DD, I am supportive of her research, I am respectful for what she does, I learn from her, she has done so much and dedicated her time. She has touched base with those who none of us would ever dare to go. She follows the leads, she confronts the discrepancies that are found both in the physical and mentality of those who come forward who try to divert the research in a different direction. If she were on here or any other forum I would be interested in her research, always. Working with DD is like having a friend really. You go through thick and thin with them, you stick beside them, even when they are having a bad day. No matter what happens you let them be who they are, and they let you be you, and the soon we are back researching again.

So DD, I understand, I always have, I am here to help and be supportive in the midst of finding Lindsey. You have gone through alot behind the scenes, a place where others wouldn't go. Thank you for that, you are a brave soul, a free spirit. God Bless You



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 12:58:39 PM
love4ever  and  DD and all the others that research so much, we appreciate it very much  ::MonkeyCool::  I'm not good at doing researching, all I can do is read and try to figure things out, and in this case I can't figure anything out, nothing is making sense. Oh I have some thoughts, and some bad feelings about things, that is best kept to myself. I hope and pray there is some resolution, but I really have my doubts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 05, 2009, 01:24:23 PM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 
Besides Lindsey's family and a few select others that is all I can see that want Lindsey found. I'm not talking about anyone on any forum, I'm talking about in the town, my perception is a lot of people in the town could care less if she is found or not, I hope I'm wrong, but it sure seems that way.

With all the research being done or that has been done, from the day to day activity in or around McCleary, I would say not to exclude your perception, the majority rules that there are some of the town people who are set innot helping.

Very sad that people who are from afar who research, extensively mind you, get so involved just to get things to come out. That is how it works, you research, you speak with people, you put yourself out there because you care, you care about Lindsey, or any other child you research. So is this hapening in McCleary? Is the search that is happening in McCleary respondent to all the personality types that surrounded Lindsey, are they going in deep as the researches do taking notice of those who Lindseys was around? Hence, to me it is sad when researchers from afar do that and the ones right there in the physical do not. There may be a few, but a very minute few.

As far as DD, I am supportive of her research, I am respectful for what she does, I learn from her, she has done so much and dedicated her time. She has touched base with those who none of us would ever dare to go. She follows the leads, she confronts the discrepancies that are found both in the physical and mentality of those who come forward who try to divert the research in a different direction. If she were on here or any other forum I would be interested in her research, always. Working with DD is like having a friend really. You go through thick and thin with them, you stick beside them, even when they are having a bad day. No matter what happens you let them be who they are, and they let you be you, and the soon we are back researching again.

So DD, I understand, I always have, I am here to help and be supportive in the midst of finding Lindsey. You have gone through alot behind the scenes, a place where others wouldn't go. Thank you for that, you are a brave soul, a free spirit. God Bless You


Love, well said.  Yes, DD has the courage to confront people and go where others (like me) only lurk.  I understand Klaas' concerns, but I know DD's post was not about her -- it was about liars and people who twist the truth for their own agenda or theory.  Unfortunately, IMO this has happened here and I do respect Klaas' desire to keep "other" arguments or lies where they originated.
This is about Lindsey and on that I know everyone agrees.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 05, 2009, 01:53:44 PM
DD - I'm getting a little tired of problems going on behind the scenes or on other sites being discussed at SM.

This is the Lindsey thread.  I have no idea what is going on and who is trashing you but the discussion does not belong here.  If you have problems with someone, discuss it at your site or in PM's at your site or via email but not in the SM open forum.

I respect that klass, just now read your post... I was about to go anyway.  I just do not want people fighting over what is happening with this case.  It is all about the "case" it is not about me or anyone else.  But I will leave. 

Who has asked you to leave?  This is exactly the kind of thing that bothers me.  You assume I am asking you to leave?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
Hi Karma.  I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I have been gone for a week.  What was the outcome to the search last weekend?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 05, 2009, 05:06:33 PM
Hi Karma.  I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I have been gone for a week.  What was the outcome to the search last weekend?

Thanks

Janet
LOL....hi Janet
I am always in the rafters it seems.
As far as last weekends search......nada,nothing as far as I have read.     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 05:15:18 PM
Hi Karma.  I see ya in the rafters.

 ::MonkeyTongue::

I have been gone for a week.  What was the outcome to the search last weekend?

Thanks

Janet
LOL....hi Janet
I am always in the rafters it seems.
As far as last weekends search......nada,nothing as far as I have read.     ::MonkeyNoNo::

Thanks Karma.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

I am disappointed but somehow I believe that answers will be forthcoming.  I just wish I possessed the virtue of patience.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 05:36:40 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 05, 2009, 06:36:09 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 06:45:59 PM
KARA KAMPEN:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most  recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1229 on: July 05, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »


I am a bit confused now as to where the eye witness says she saw Lindsey. I would strongly suggest if my information is the only one throwing the witness accounts off base then I would ignore what I said. I did not see Lindsey after she left so I could not accurately attest to which direction she headed. I had thought that the witness originally stated going up 6th but I have not been able to find where I read that so maybe I did not. That is why it seemed to add up with what I was told early on about the tracking dogs... This is my major gray area so I should probably refrain from speculating since now I seem to be the one adding a "rumored" account.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865710#msg865710


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1461 on: July 07, 2009, 12:27:39 AM »


I don't believe any search warrants were issued that I am aware of. Within hours the police searched both my and the Baum residences and then the FBI and Sheriff's dept. did as well. We authorized access as did Melissa Baum so I don't think they needed to get warrants. They also searched the property around both of our homes with teams, agents and dogs nearly if not daily up until 2 days ago I believe it was.  The only property obtained from the my home after search were the computers and those were volunteered so I don't think they needed to file paperwork.

I am not sure about any other homes except for those of my neighbors that were searched and I was outside so I know those were both voluntary as well.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867561#msg867561


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 06:47:06 PM
Sheriff Rick Scott claims that tracking dogs did not pick up Lindsey Baum's scent anywhere in town and witnesses placed Lindsey at 5th and Maple.

This is contrary to KaraK's claim that tracking dogs picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of Sixth and Maple and ... along Sixth as well as a witness account of Lindsey on Sixth (See above post).

As of August 2, 2009 ... Melissa Baum's understanding was that there was a witness sighting of her daughter at 5th and Maple.

Janet

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THE MEDIA:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE MAPLE STREET ROUTE?

Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

ABC News – June 30, 2009


Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Melissa Baum

The Daily World - August 2, 2009


From the front step of her nearby home, Melissa Baum can almost see its intersection with Fifth Street where her 11-year-old daughter took her last known steps into oblivion.

“I feel like she’s right under my nose and I can’t find her,” she said.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 05, 2009, 06:56:26 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.
Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 07:13:03 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.

Karma

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Brad Dennis is the Director of Search Operations in the Klaaskids' Lindsey Baum search.  Is this the guy who posts at WS?  Is he a McCleary local?

I wonder if any of the properties along the Maple Street route between the witness' sighting of Lindsey Baum and her home were re/searched.  I wonder if the Shell Station property was re/searched.  I wonder if the Baum property was re/searched.

Could Lindsey Baum be hidden in plain sight under debris or foilage?

Janet

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Renewed effort in search for girlMissing since June 26: News about abductee’s return after 18 years draws people to help find Lindsey
ROLF BOONE; The Olympian | • Published August 30, 2009

McCleary – Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

http://www.theolympian.com/112/story/954641.html?storylink=omni_popular


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 05, 2009, 08:02:06 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.

Karma

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Brad Dennis is the Director of Search Operations in the Klaaskids' Lindsey Baum search.  Is this the guy who posts at WS?  Is he a McCleary local?

I wonder if any of the properties along the Maple Street route between the witness' sighting of Lindsey Baum and her home were re/searched.  I wonder if the Shell Station property was re/searched.  I wonder if the Baum property was re/searched.

Could Lindsey Baum be hidden in plain sight under debris or foilage?

Janet

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Renewed effort in search for girlMissing since June 26: News about abductee’s return after 18 years draws people to help find Lindsey
ROLF BOONE; The Olympian | • Published August 30, 2009

McCleary – Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

http://www.theolympian.com/112/story/954641.html?storylink=omni_popular
Yes,same Brad Dennis,the one posting on WS and the one in charge of operations for KlaasKids.I don't think he is a local but he is in contact with some local posters at WS.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 05, 2009, 08:57:38 PM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.

Karma

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Brad Dennis is the Director of Search Operations in the Klaaskids' Lindsey Baum search.  Is this the guy who posts at WS?  Is he a McCleary local?

I wonder if any of the properties along the Maple Street route between the witness' sighting of Lindsey Baum and her home were re/searched.  I wonder if the Shell Station property was re/searched.  I wonder if the Baum property was re/searched.

Could Lindsey Baum be hidden in plain sight under debris or foilage?

Janet

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Renewed effort in search for girlMissing since June 26: News about abductee’s return after 18 years draws people to help find Lindsey
ROLF BOONE; The Olympian | • Published August 30, 2009

McCleary – Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

http://www.theolympian.com/112/story/954641.html?storylink=omni_popular
Yes,same Brad Dennis,the one posting on WS and the one in charge of operations for KlaasKids.I don't think he is a local but he is in contact with some local posters at WS.

Thanks Karma

Was Brad Dennis affiliated with the Polly Klaas Foundation or Klaaskids prior to the Lindsey Baum case?

http://www.pollyklaas.org/
http://www.klaaskids.org/

Janet


Volunteers search for clues in case of missing McCleary girl
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By Rolf Boone; The Olympian
Published: 08/29/09   9:19 pm

At the request of Lindsey’s mother, Melissa, two nonprofit groups – the Laura Recovery Center of Friends­wood, Texas, and Klaaskids Foundation of Sausalito, Calif. – organized the search. Both groups have been involved in high-profile missing-­child cases before, including the disappearances of Elizabeth Smart of Utah and Elaine Sepulveda of Oak Harbor.

About 120 people searched Friday, and about 40 people had taken part before noon Saturday, said Brad Dennis, director of search operations for the Klaaskids Foundation. The search is being staged from the McCleary Community Center, and although organizers have enough volunteers to handle administrative duties, they need more searchers, Dennis said.

“We need people to come out and be a part of this,” he said.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/updates/story/861127.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 06, 2009, 01:24:47 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
Isn't there a search today or tomorrow? I thought I read that, but could be wrong. I don't have patience either Janet, especially in following these cases, and the more time that goes by......  ::MonkeyNoNo::
There were a few locals(at WS)searching yesterday,today and possible tomorrow but this is a small group of 3-4 people and they are being directed where to search by Brad who is a member at WS and in charge of Klaaskids in that area......I think.

Karma

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Brad Dennis is the Director of Search Operations in the Klaaskids' Lindsey Baum search.  Is this the guy who posts at WS?  Is he a McCleary local?

I wonder if any of the properties along the Maple Street route between the witness' sighting of Lindsey Baum and her home were re/searched.  I wonder if the Shell Station property was re/searched.  I wonder if the Baum property was re/searched.

Could Lindsey Baum be hidden in plain sight under debris or foilage?

Janet

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Renewed effort in search for girlMissing since June 26: News about abductee’s return after 18 years draws people to help find Lindsey
ROLF BOONE; The Olympian | • Published August 30, 2009

McCleary – Teams of volunteers inspected roadsides, wooded areas and creeks Saturday as part of the ongoing effort to find Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared the evening of June 26.

Saturday was the second consecutive day in which volunteers fanned out into outlying areas and neighboring towns, hoping to find clues. The search continues today.

http://www.theolympian.com/112/story/954641.html?storylink=omni_popular
Yes,same Brad Dennis,the one posting on WS and the one in charge of operations for KlaasKids.I don't think he is a local but he is in contact with some local posters at WS.

Thanks Karma

Was Brad Dennis affiliated with the Polly Klaas Foundation or Klaaskids prior to the Lindsey Baum case?

http://www.pollyklaas.org/
http://www.klaaskids.org/

Janet


Volunteers search for clues in case of missing McCleary girl
Share this storyBuzz up!

 
By Rolf Boone; The Olympian
Published: 08/29/09   9:19 pm

At the request of Lindsey’s mother, Melissa, two nonprofit groups – the Laura Recovery Center of Friends­wood, Texas, and Klaaskids Foundation of Sausalito, Calif. – organized the search. Both groups have been involved in high-profile missing-­child cases before, including the disappearances of Elizabeth Smart of Utah and Elaine Sepulveda of Oak Harbor.

About 120 people searched Friday, and about 40 people had taken part before noon Saturday, said Brad Dennis, director of search operations for the Klaaskids Foundation. The search is being staged from the McCleary Community Center, and although organizers have enough volunteers to handle administrative duties, they need more searchers, Dennis said.

“We need people to come out and be a part of this,” he said.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/updates/story/861127.html

I believe Brad was involved in the KlaasKids foundation before Lindsey went missing and he has been posting at WS for a while now but I don't know for how long.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 06, 2009, 10:20:51 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 10:21:05 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
ICBW but I think Northern meant the change was from wet to adored.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 10:23:23 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 06, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102

Is Alice Walters an actual person? Maybe could be a fictional name Lindsey used from a book, or a movie?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 06, 2009, 12:16:10 PM
And to clear up Lindsey's myspace being logged onto recently, it was stated on her official website that whoever runs the site was aware of the recent log ins and that the person was not up to foul play (guessing they know who did it). Have you guys seen it recently? Probably one of her friends, they put up a really good song, the first one, breaking my heart just listening to it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 06, 2009, 01:03:54 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102
Thank-you, I'm so darn confused, so just a name she came up with?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 06, 2009, 01:04:31 PM
And to clear up Lindsey's myspace being logged onto recently, it was stated on her official website that whoever runs the site was aware of the recent log ins and that the person was not up to foul play (guessing they know who did it). Have you guys seen it recently? Probably one of her friends, they put up a really good song, the first one, breaking my heart just listening to it.
Thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 06, 2009, 01:37:30 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102

KarmaR, that could be -- I just thought it a little unusual -- hopefully Northern Rose can let me know what she meant.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 02:31:01 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102
Thank-you, I'm so darn confused, so just a name she came up with?
That's what I think but I could be wrong.I did find an older woman named Alice Walters who does organic farming and writes organic cook books and another Alice Walters who is a news reporter from out of somewhere(not WA).


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 03:16:52 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

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Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 06, 2009, 03:42:55 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

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Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 04:46:32 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

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Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 07:46:28 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

++++++

Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Karma ... I am so ignorant when it comes to MS, Facebook and Twitter.  Considering I do not have a clue and ... life goes on ... I do not think I will go there.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has not bowed and got a cell "yet".

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 06, 2009, 08:25:44 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

++++++

Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Karma ... I am so ignorant when it comes to MS, Facebook and Twitter.  Considering I do not have a clue and ... life goes on ... I do not think I will go there.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has not bowed and got a cell "yet".

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm glad you have such a great sense of humor Janet.....I am still laughing.I used to only carry a cell phone for emergencys but now I even text with it.   ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 06, 2009, 08:28:30 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

++++++

Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Karma ... I am so ignorant when it comes to MS, Facebook and Twitter.  Considering I do not have a clue and ... life goes on ... I do not think I will go there.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has not bowed and got a cell "yet".

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
::monkeyhug::  my phone still plugs into the wall! ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 08:45:46 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

++++++

Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Karma ... I am so ignorant when it comes to MS, Facebook and Twitter.  Considering I do not have a clue and ... life goes on ... I do not think I will go there.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has not bowed and got a cell "yet".

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
::monkeyhug::  my phone still plugs into the wall! ::MonkeyHaHa::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

My phone does not plug into the wall ... it is hard wired and ... it has a mile long coiled cord.  This way I can walk from room to room while talking and ... not fear that I will leave the receiver where I cannot find it.

 ::MonkeyJnBox::

Hey ... whatever works.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 09:08:13 PM
Who is Tom Anderson?  Why would Lindsey Baum be friends with an 18 year old?

Do children in McCleary not have parental controlled boundaries in regards to the computer.  I am not talking about teenagers whose age imply being afforded limited freedoms outside the home environment ... limited freedoms where established boundaries established by parents are not always respected. 

Janet

++++++

Alice has joined MySpace!Mood: good

http://www.myspace.com/480197876

Tom is a friend on everyone's myspace, I'm thinking he is the one who started myspace  ::MonkeyCool::
::MonkeyLaugh::   Not laughing at you Janet,honest.I thought the same thing back when I was viewing my daughter's MS page.....lol....I asked her"who in the heck is Tom!"   ::MonkeyJnBox::

Karma ... I am so ignorant when it comes to MS, Facebook and Twitter.  Considering I do not have a clue and ... life goes on ... I do not think I will go there.  Hey ... Tamikosmom has not bowed and got a cell "yet".

  ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet
::MonkeyHaHa::  I'm glad you have such a great sense of humor Janet.....I am still laughing.I used to only carry a cell phone for emergencys but now I even text with it.   ::MonkeyCool::

My stubby fingers and my fading eyesight imply that the teeny weenie little numbers of a cell phone pad would create nothing but frustration and ... cause this granny go completely grey.  Searching the house for the origin of ringing of a cell phone or digging in my purse for those magnifying glasses takes too much time away from my addiction ... the Natalee Holloway case.

Good Night Monkeys.  I hope everyone had a good Sunday.

Janet
6:10 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 06, 2009, 10:12:54 PM
good night Tamikosmom aka Janet ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 06, 2009, 10:35:51 PM
hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.


as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 06, 2009, 11:11:50 PM
hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.


as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.

sunshine 12 ... based on the opinion of a "power that be" within the investigation ... I tend to agree.

Janet

+++++

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009

A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

""Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..  

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 06, 2009, 11:16:13 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA

Hi Sister - I had to go back as that was quite a while ago.  It was Lindsey's myspace that I was referring to.  I included a screen shot of the myspace in that post.  Sorry no screen shot of the old one.  I just saw the date of the update on mysace and found it odd as it was Lindsey's page and she was missing so was pointing out that it had been changed. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 06, 2009, 11:19:08 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
ICBW but I think Northern meant the change was from wet to adored.

Yes, that is what I was capturing as I believe we were speculating what "wet" meant as it could be so many things.  Again, that  was a while ago but I did not capture the site prior to when I noticed the change.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 06, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102

KarmaR, that could be -- I just thought it a little unusual -- hopefully Northern Rose can let me know what she meant.

As my other reply a few minutes ago, I was just pointing out the "mood" change.  I would love to say I grabbed a screen capture of the friends but did not.  I think I may start doing this now as it would have helped. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 07, 2009, 06:16:17 AM
Northern Rose, June 28, post #70 you wrote "her myspace has changed."  Whose myspace were you referring to? Lindsey? and did you save the old one?  Trying to locate the pix of Alice Walters that was on there.  The photo has now been removed.
TIA
I'm real curious about this Alice Walters  ::MonkeyEek::
Good morning NoRose
At the time I thought Alice Walters was another MS set up by Lindsey because the sign up and other dates seemed to match up with Lindsey's sign up and other dates.   :smt102

KarmaR, that could be -- I just thought it a little unusual -- hopefully Northern Rose can let me know what she meant.

As my other reply a few minutes ago, I was just pointing out the "mood" change.  I would love to say I grabbed a screen capture of the friends but did not.  I think I may start doing this now as it would have helped. 

Northern Rose, thank you for checking.  I appreciate it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 07, 2009, 07:05:22 AM
hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.

as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.

Alice Walters is the name I was asking about.  She is listed on Lindsey's myspace as a friend and I wanted to know who she is. IIRC there was a photo at one time and she was a much older woman.  Never said anything about a person connected to the internet taking her.

Yes, the Color Purple -- what a great book!

IIRC LE has stated publicly there was "no scent" trail, anywhere.  I don't see how that could be possible, but . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
hi everyone-

i have been gone for a few weeks on vacation but just got caught up on this thread. i really hope i dont repeat anything that's already been said, but i just wanted to agree with previous posters that it is very frustrating when posters say that they know certain things but can't tell those things. it's a huge tease as far as im concerned and i dont really know how appropriate it is for this board.  why put it out there if you can't say it? anyway... i know we all have the same goal in mind to bring LB home...

as far as the dog scents..since the very beginning of this case, this has been a huge area of contention. i find it ridiculous that the fbi or the local pd didnt search a home that the dogs led too (if this is accurate info) this is just kind of hard for me to believe.

as far as this alice walker person...shes a famous author, she wrote "the color purple"...it could just be someone that used that as a name, who knows.

i really dont think lb is connected to the person that took her through the internet. i think its a great place for people to start sleuthing because it is important and internet safety is important,however i believe when all is said and done, this will be a local that lb was somewhat familiar with.

Alice Walters is the name I was asking about.  She is listed on Lindsey's myspace as a friend and I wanted to know who she is. IIRC there was a photo at one time and she was a much older woman.  Never said anything about a person connected to the internet taking her.

Yes, the Color Purple -- what a great book!

IIRC LE has stated publicly there was "no scent" trail, anywhere.  I don't see how that could be possible, but . . .


I agree.  However ... that is what LE reported.

Janet

+++++


<snipped>


THE TRACKING DOGS

Why was Lindsey's scent not picked up by these dogs.  Think about it ... the Maple Street route was taken by her both coming to and leaving the Kampen residence on the evening of June 26, 2009.


BLOODHOUNDS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 10:48:33 AM
MOOD: WET

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1455 on: July 06, 2009, 11:33:02 PM »


It was my daughter and another friend that changed it to "cool I'm on Lindsey's myspace" originally. The mood wet had I'm told been like that since the girls went swimming the day before Lindsey went missing.  I know it was quite a shocker to see it there (the mood) but that is  one of the hings that these girls don't quite understand yet and use it innocently in reference to swimming etc.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867454#msg867454


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 07, 2009, 11:09:45 AM
MOOD: WET

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1455 on: July 06, 2009, 11:33:02 PM »


It was my daughter and another friend that changed it to "cool I'm on Lindsey's myspace" originally. The mood wet had I'm told been like that since the girls went swimming the day before Lindsey went missing.  I know it was quite a shocker to see it there (the mood) but that is  one of the hings that these girls don't quite understand yet and use it innocently in reference to swimming etc.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg867454#msg867454


yes i definitely agree that this is prob what the "wet" status meant, little girls being innocent not knowing that it can have other meanings.

btw...sorry i said alice walker instead of alice waters...must have been the wine i was drinking last night. sorry if i confused anyone

i feel like its so hard not to get caught up in a lot of complicated theories for this case.  i feel like sometimes when we look too hard at things, we miss the answer.  i know that this is not true for every case, but i feel like in this case it is.  i know i mostly read here and don't do too much research on my own, i tend to read what others say and form my own opinions. but when i take a step back and look at the information that we do have (which isn't much unfortunately) i really truly think that this was an abduction by someone in town that she prob recognized, and i think this person unfortunately took her out of town and buried her body in a wooded area.  all of these poeple that are telling lies behind the scenes and not helping physically with the searches in mccleary are just trying to muddy the waters in my opinion and are sicko's getting some kind of thrill about giving fake information that sends people on wild goose chases, thats a sign of a personality disorder if you ask me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: alismom on September 07, 2009, 04:38:16 PM
I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 07, 2009, 04:55:27 PM
I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?

sometimes people lie because they are hiding things, other people just lie because they want to feel important and feel like they have information that no one else could have. lie telling and having a grandoise way of thinking can be a sign of bipolar disorder, amongst other things.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 05:36:06 PM
This is amazing and sad.The FBI isn't always right.

Part # 1


Missing Ore. City girls: Was the FBI too slow?Transcript from Dateline NBC 08:44 PM PST on Friday, January 27, 2006 By Keith Morrison, NBC News Correspondent
VIDEO:
Excerpts: Dateline NBC examines Ward Weaver case
OREGON CITY -- It was evening, dark and cold, in this suburb of Portland, when the call came in to a 911 dispatcher. A mother was reporting a missing daughter. During her 911 call, the immediate assumption was that 12 year old must be a runaway. So began the long strange tale of what happened to Ashley Pond. It began not with a bang, but a whimper, as it dawned on a young mother what terrors could lie ahead.
Lori Pond’s daughter, Ashley, had simply vanished— gone, or so it seemed on her way to school in the town of Oregon City in January 2002.
Linda O’Neal, relative: It was very upsetting. A 12-year-old child had disappeared, you know? This is a child! Linda O’Neal is a member of Ashley’s extended family; Linda’s husband was once married to Ashley’s grandmother. Not exactly a close relationship... but Linda certainly knew about Ashley.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: How would you describe her as a little girl? Linda O’Neal: Well, she was kind of known as having an attitude…
But Linda was not just family; she was also a licensed private investigator. And, in those first days, her experience told her Ashley was probably okay.
O’Neal: My first thought would have been that she probably ran away.
Police in Oregon City apparently agreed. But then a whole week went by, no sign of Ashley anywhere. Runaways inevitably contact someone, but she didn’t. And now local officials, thinking “abduction,” called in the FBI.

Jim Redden, crime reporter for Portland Tribune: One of the problems with the case is that there was a wealth of suspects.

Jim Redden is a veteran crime reporter for the Portland Tribune. Ashley, he soon learned, had disappeared from an apartment complex that was a "mulligan stew" of troubled souls.

Redden: It had a lot of welfare cases. It had a number of mentally ill people that would be placed there by the county. There were a lot of single mothers who attracted a lot of really bad boyfriends.

In fact police searching for suspects found no fewer than 90 sex offenders living within a mile of the complex. One possible suspect was Ashley’s own biological father. He’d been convicted of sexually abusing her during one of her visits.
Had he taken her? And if not him, who?

As weeks passed, a terrible realization began to set in around town. Ashley’s little group of best friends knew it, and everybody seemed to sense it— something awful had happened to Ashley.

A friend of Ashley’s, Miranda Gaddis, was interviewed by a TV reporter, not knowing that fate had its eye on her too.

Miranda Gaddis (in TV interview prior to her death): It’s really hard to believe that happened to one of your friends or something. It’s just really different and really sad.

In the weeks that followed, the task force would chase hundreds of leads.They would, according to newspaper reports, watch Ashley’s mother, and her mom’s boyfriend. Investigators even began tailing a couple of male neighbors from the apartments. No one, it seemed, knew anything. It was as if Ashley Pond had disappeared into thin air.

And then, two months after Ashley disappeared, the girl interviewed by a reporter, Ashley Pond’s friend Miranda unbelievably, turned up missing too. Two girls vanished from the same apartment complex. They went to the same school, and were even on the same dance team! Both vanished, within 8 weeks of one another.

O’Neal: When the second girl disappeared, it caused panic, absolute panic. They were afraid that there was a serial killer among them.

AP photo
Ward Weaver is escorted into a courtroom by deputies following his arrest.
MEETING WARD WEAVER
In this suburb of Portland, everyone could feel the chill. The disappearance of 13-year-old Miranda Gaddis was a sickening reminder of the way 12-year-old Ashley Pond vanished 2 months before. Now, the FBI ramped up its investigation, and called in scores of agents.

Soon more than 60 of them were working on the case. A true task force was assigned to find the answers about Ashley and Miranda.

Private investigator Linda O’Neal began to turn down other work to work on this case full time. It was a little crazy, maybe, given the size of the official investigation, but Linda felt a real family connection with Ashley. This was personal.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: What made you think that you could help solve this crime? Linda O’Neal: Well, the FBI would say “We have no suspects, we have no crime scene, and we have no clues,” so it appeared that they needed a little help.

But where to start? Suspects were no problem, narrowing it down was.
Some on the list: A former neighbor on the wrong end of a restraining order taken out by an ex-girlfriend, Miranda’s father once convicted of abusing two minor girls. And that was just for starters. So Linda decided to start with a name she’d heard from Ashley’s aunt.

O’Neal: I asked, “Who are the people in Ashley’s life?” And she told me about Ward Weaver.

Ward Weaver as a neighbor, and a family friend, whose home was right next to the apartment complex in which Ashley and her mother lived. In fact, Weaver had been interviewed on television too…

Ward Weaver (during TV interview prior to his arrest): That little girl took off, I wholeheartedly believe that.

Weaver did have a criminal record for assault, but it had been 16 years before. Now, he seemed like a hard-working single father raising a daughter Ashley’s age. And police had already checked out his alibi and sent several teams of officers and dogs to search his house and property. They found nothing. And after all, there were so many suspects.

Morrison: Why would Ward Weaver stand out in that group? O’Neal: Because Ashley had complained that he had sexually molested her.

And yet, as Linda learned, those allegations had apparently been investigated. And no charges had been filed.

But she decided to run a computer check on Weaver and she was stunned!
O’Neal: I get this information Ward Weaver is on death row! Morrison: Death row? But you’ve got ward weaver in your town!? O’Neal: This fellow on death row for serial murder was Ward Weaver’s father!

Strange, but true: Weaver’s father had been on California's death row for two decades. But surely just having a father who was a killer wasn’t reason enough to suspect the son?
Was it?




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 05:37:37 PM
Part # 2

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

Then, just about the time Linda was contemplating that question, a second private investigator offered to help: Harry Oakes. Oakes was a bit of a maverick who runs a for profit search and rescue center. And this is his partner was a 12-year-old pound rescued mutt named Valerie.

Many police departments don’t like him, says Oakes, and don’t use him. But in this case he waived his fee, did some background work, showed the dog some of Ashley’s clothing, and went to work.

Harry Oakes, private search dog handler: The track led from the apartment complex up the road, the staircase, to Ward’s property.
That name again. Harry, with his Valerie now excited and on the chase, knocked at Weaver’s door and asked for permission to search the house.

Harry Oakes: He said, “I don’t have any problem with you searching, they’ve already brought in 7 different search dog teams. I have nothing to hide.” During the search of the house she gave me a death alert of Ashley’s scent in Ward’s hallway.

Morrison: Did Valerie alert anywhere else? Oakes: Yes. When we went outside to the back area, there was a slab that had been poured.
Morrison: A concrete slab?
Oakes: A concrete slab. And where the slab met with the grass, the dirt where they came together, my dog was smelling Ashley’s scent coming out of there.
Morrison: Did you call 911?
Oakes: I made a report and turned it into Oregon City police department.
A record of Harry’s report shows it was indeed turned in to police on March 20th, less than two weeks after Miranda disappeared.
Morrison: Was there any reaction from the police?
Oakes: They basically ignored us.
Morrison: What about the FBI?
Oakes: Ignored us.
But not long after, Harry’s report found its way to the desk of private eye Linda O’Neal.
Morrison: What did his report say to you as an investigator?
O’Neal: It said “red flag.” His dog had alerted a death alert over a freshly poured concrete slab in our Ward Weaver’s backyard.
And something about that slab resonated with Linda: Remember, when she was digging into the background of Ward Weaver’s father, the serial killer on death row? She found out what he had done with one of his victims.
O’Neal: He buried her in the middle of his backyard. And then covered it with concrete.
Morrison: A concrete slab?
O’Neal: Yes.
And Linda’s suspicions were about to grow. Over the next few weeks, teachers, dance coaches, and even Weaver’s ex-wives would tell her stories of disturbing and inappropriate behavior. There was the teacher who saw Weaver drop off Ashley at school, and here was a man in his late 30s locked in a passionate kiss with 12-year-old Ashley. There was the family friend who said Ashley spent weeks at a time at Weaver’s house, often sleeping in his bed, with him. There was the girlfriend who said that Weaver was angry with Miranda because she had been telling girls in the neighborhood to “Stay away from Weaver’s house, he might molest you.” By June, Ashley now gone six months, and Miranda, three months. The story had hit the cover of People Magazine. But it seemed to reporters that the FBI wasn’t anywhere close to closing the case.

Jim Redden, reporter for Portland Tribune: It was very much [like], “We have a range of suspects, maybe six to eight different men. The entire impression I got was that they had not in fact, focused on any particular individual.”
The reporter didn’t know it, but he was about to play a key role in the case.
And Linda O’Neal says she was about to get the scare of her life, returning home one day to see her son working on his car with a stranger.

O’Neal: I came face to face with Ward Weaver.
Morrison: And he’s with your son?
O’Neal: He’s with my son.
Morrison: What did he say to you?
O’Neal: He said, “Kids are so naive aren’t they?” And I said, “Mr. Weaver, I don’t think that my family is any of your business.” And he said, “Ms. O’Neal, that’s what I came here to tell you.”
O’Neal: I dug out my gun and loaded it, and put it in my purse.
Morrison: Did you really think he might be capable of coming after you or your family?
O’Neal: I had thought he was capable of anything.
CALLING THE FBI TO NO AVAIL

AP photo
FBI agents stand by as search dogs are brought onto the property of Ward Weaver in Oregon City as investigators searched the one-acre lot Saturday, Aug. 24, 2002.
By June 2002, Ashley Pond had been missing for six months and Miranda Gaddis, for three.
All of Oregon City seemed to be clinging to faint hope: their dance team, their mothers, the whole community.

Lori Pond: We can’t wrap our arms around them. Whoever did this took that away from us and hopefully they’re going to give our babies back so we can do that again.
FBI canines were dispatched once again to sniff around the apartment complex where the girls lived. Even Weaver’s house, but apparently found nothing. An FBI spokesman continued to insist the agency had “no suspects,” and “virtually no clues.”

But this private eye disagreed.

Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: You must’ve been going nuts! Linda O’Neal, private eye: I couldn’t think of anything else.
Remember, Linda O’Neal, was part of Ashley’s extended family, and had been working the case for months. And she believed the FBI should by now have focused on Ward Weaver, a 39-year-old single father who lived in a house near the apartments.
O’Neal: I was getting very upset and nervous about what was going to happen next. Who was going to be next?
Linda thought it was time to take what she knew to the FBI.
Morrison: Did the FBI understand that you were a recognized private investigator who was calling them?
O’Neal: Yes.
Morrison: What did he say to you?
O’Neal: He said, “We really don’t need help from private investigators, you know. We’re the FBI and we really don’t think that Ward Weaver is a suspect.” Morrison: How did you feel when you got off the phone?
O’Neal: Devastated!
Still whatever happened on that call got Linda so mad, so angry, and so hurt, that she got in touch with Portland Tribute reporter Jim Redden.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 05:39:39 PM
Part # 3


http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

Jim Redden, Portland Tribute reporter: She thought that she had legitimate information that they should be interested in, and they weren’t responding the way she thought they should. She said, “Have you ever heard of Ward Weaver”? And at that point, I had not heard of Ward Weaver.
The private eye and the reporter came up with a plan: A surprise interview of Weaver. So the reporter got up early one Sunday morning and drove to Weaver’s house, knocked on the door and wonder of wonders, Ward Weaver invited him in for an interview that would lift law enforcement’s “shroud of secrecy” on the case, and put one suspect in the spotlight for the very first time.

Morrison: Did he seem to you at all like a potentially sociopathic killer?
Redden: He really seemed like a very normal kind of guy. The more he talked, the more nervous he got and that’s when he said, “I’m the FBI’s prime suspect.” Morrison: What was your feeling as you sat there next to the man?
Redden: Well, he was coming across to me as sort of honest and candid…
The reporter’s gut feeling put Linda back on her heels.
O’Neal: Jim Redden said to me, "You know, he seems like an okay guy." Morrison: Maybe you were the crazy one!
O’Neal: It sort of was looking that way!
But the reporter wrote the article, putting Ward Weaver’s name in print for the first time. Weaver was now the center of attention, and he seemed to be enjoying it. He even appeared on national television, saying “She’s better off hiding out wherever she’s found a place to live.”
And just days later, what did the local police and the FBI and local police do? They launched a huge raid, executing a search warrant, towing away vehicles that might contain suspicious materials, and informing the target of all this attention that he’d failed a polygraph test.
The surprise? Well, the surprise was in the man’s name: It was not Ward Weaver.
It was another prime suspect, a neighbor of the girls, who denied any role in the murders, said he’d been interviewed five or six times. He was questioned about a camping trip he took the day Miranda disappeared. And his friends had been warned to stay away from him.
What no one knew is that the big break was about to occur. And it would come, not from the FBI task force, or local police. But from a woman, a teenager at the time, who’s never before spoken about what happened to her— or how she somehow found the strength to survive.

AP photo
Flowers and a sign hang on a fence surrounding the house of Ward Weaver on Aug. 25, 2002 in Oregon City.
A LEAD FROM A VICTIM
By August, seven months had passed since Ashley Pond disappeared; more than 4 months since Miranda Gaddis vanished. Still, Oregon City police and the FBI appeared to the public to be no closer to an arrest, even though neighbor Ward Weaver had told whoever would listen that he was the prime suspect.
And though Ashley’s step-grandmother Linda O’Neal firmly believed there was enough probable cause to search his property for the two bodies, police did not appear to her to be interested. No search warrant was asked for or issued.
By early August, Linda learned Weaver had apparently had enough media attention.
Linda O’Neal, step-grandmother and private eye: He told people he was going to Mexico or Idaho. He had emptied his entire house of all of his possessions..
But with his house empty, and apparently ready to move out of Oregon, Ward Weaver made a move that still mystifies everyone involved.
Randi Oneida, girlfriend of Ward Weaver’s son: He was a nice person to be around. He fooled people I guess.
Oneida is the girlfriend of Ward Weaver’s son, the mother of Ward’s grandchild. Never before has she revealed publicly what happened that day in August 2002 when at the age of 19, she got in a car with Weaver, a man she assumed she could trust.
Oneida: All the way to his house, he wasn’t acting different or anything.
Keith Morrison, Dateline correspondent: And then you walked in the house, and.
Oneida: That’s when he snapped. That’s when I noticed a different face.
He threw her to the floor, tore off her clothing, and raped her. She couldn’t talk about the worst of it, she said. Her body seemed to stiffen at the memory.
Morrison: Do you remember the look in his eye?
Oneida: He was possessed. It wasn’t him. It looked like satan inside of him, but the second he stood up off of me, his face went back to normal.
Morrison: And then you ran?
Oneida: Yeah, I pushed him with my feet, pushed him back, and I ran.
On the way out, she grabbed a tarp covering the concrete slab in Ward’s backyard. And then she ran naked and trembling after a savage sexual assault— into the street, where she flagged down a passing car. And within hours, Ward Weaver was arrested, booked, and behind bars, charged with rape.

Portland Tribune reporter Jim Redden: That was the moment that I really thought, "This is the guy."
Linda O’Neal says she’d known it for months. She had known in her gut that Weaver was a violent man, who’d killed Ashley and Miranda. And they had him in custody now, for a violent rape, so she felt sure the FBI would move quickly to charge him in the disappearance of Ashley and Miranda.
Morrison: Once he was in custody was a search warrant issued for his property? O’Neal: There was a search conducted that had everything to do with the rape, with the crime that occurred that day, but then they took down the yellow crime tape and they left.
And without crime scene tape or a steady police presence, Weaver’s house became a kind of open house. After weeks of people seeing Weaver’s name in the papers, or seeing him on the news, sitting near that freshly poured concrete slab, and hearing of his arrest for rape, many of the locals had come to the same conclusion as Linda: What was the FBI waiting for?
In mid-August, in the days after Ward was arrested for raping his son’s girlfriend, protestors gathered at the property. They left their accusing signs lying around the unexamined back yard...
Morrison: How long was it between the time Ward Weaver was arrested, and the time somebody got a search warrant to look into his property?
O’Neal: Well, he was arrested August 13, and it was August 23 when they got the search warrant.
Then, with crowds gathering again as if they knew what was to come, the FBI showed up in force, erecting two white tents, bringing in dozens of agents and tons of equipment.
Hours later, there was the first discovery: a box, in a shed behind the house, with remains. The Oregon state medical examiner positively identified the remains of the discovered body of Miranda Gaddis.
The following day, there was another vigil and another discovery. Investigators finally dug up that concrete slab. It was the very spot at which that search dog had issued a “death alert” five months before.
And there beneath it, they found another body — Ashley Pond’s.
O’Neal: It was very sad news because I think you always hope, until there’s a body, you always have hope. And even though I always believed the bodies were there, the reality of it was difficult. These two beautiful young girls were gone forever.
During all those days, weeks, months, of anxiety and hope… the long investigation, the scores of officers, the bodies of the two little girls were right here all along in Ward Weaver’s backyard.
And Weaver himself? At first, claimed he had not a thing to do with it. But in the end, Ward Weaver, without explaining how or why, simply pleaded guilty and was sentenced to remain in prison for the rest of his life.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 05:40:52 PM
Last part


http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

At his sentencing, the judge said: “I think everyone probably shares in the hope that there is a special place in hell for people like you.”
How could Ward Weaver have gotten away with it for so long? And how could the FBI have seemed so, well, off? Especially when others seemed to have figured it all so neatly? There was sadness, yes, for the loss of those two girls— but also now, anger.
Redden: Our headline was “Why did it take so long?” And that was the question that we were trying to get answered. We still don’t know.
Although there’s no evidence that a faster investigation might have saved Ashley or Miranda—the question remained, what about Randi? The young woman whose presence of mind and physical strength in the face of rape— and maybe something worse— saved her own life?
Morrison: You know better than anybody else on earth what Ashley and Miranda went through.
Randi Oneida, Ward Weaver's victim: Uh-huh.
Morrison: If you hadn’t had the abilities you had, what would’ve happened to you?
Oneida: I would be exactly where Ashley and Miranda are.
Morrison: Are you angry?
Randi: Yeah, I’m very angry.
Morrison: What does that anger feel like?
Oneida: It’s anger, frustration that this happened to me. It could have been stopped, I really believe that it could have been stopped.
Morrison: Who could have prevented it?
Oneida: I think the FBI, the Oregon city police.
O’Neal: If they were watching Ward Weaver, how did he move all of his possessions out of his house, give notice, and rape, and almost kill one more girl?
How indeed? We wondered how the police and FBI would respond to allegations that they had taken too long or bungled their investigation. What could they say to this young woman?
FBI: 'A SUCCESSFUL INVESTIGATION

AP photo
The FBI's Special Agent in Charge, Charles Mathews, left, and Oregon City Police Chief, Gordon Huiras, as they announce the discovery of the bodies of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis.
After all the waiting, the investigating, the discovery of the bodies of Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis, and the arrest and conviction of their killer, Ward Weaver— that’s when the questions really began. It was a question splashed in a banner headline: Why exactly had it taken so long?
And now, for the first time, police and the FBI agreed to answer their Portland critics. Were they in some away ashamed of their investigation?
Well, as a matter of fact, absolutely not.
Robert Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: This was a very, very successful investigation. Robert Jordan is special agent in charge of the FBI’s office in Portland. He came to Oregon city after murders were solved. The FBI, with the Oregon city police department, were the two agencies that made up the task force on this case, and they bristle at suggestions that they didn’t move as quickly as they should have.

Gordon Huiras, chief of Oregon City police department: The investigators involved were driven to solve that case. They put their heart and soul in that case. They would have arrested someone just as soon as they had probable cause to make an arrest in that case.

Keith Morrison, Dateline Correspondent: There are those who believe though that probable cause existed long before the rape of Randi Oneida.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: People who were not associated with the investigation. People, like Linda O’Neal. She’s now co-written a book detailing her investigation, called ‘Missing: the Oregon City Girls.” Remember, it was Linda who said she called the FBI in June 2002, two months before Weaver’s arrest to outline what she said was solid circumstantial evidence that Weaver was the killer, and that the girls’ bodies were buried on his property. Information, it turns out, that was true. Linda says the FBI agent she spoke to wasn’t interested in her opinion. And reporter Jim Redden confirms Linda told him the same story.
But the head of Portland’s office now says no record of such a call exists.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: The first and only documented contact our investigators had with the author was in March 27 and she said she had a tip she wanted to pass on. The tip was a psychic tip and that is the only documented contact this investigation had with the author.
No documents. But, we wondered, could an agent have spoken to Linda, heard her allegations about Ward Weaver, without keeping a full record of the call?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: Absolutely. We had over 4,000 tips that came into us. But we had many people who wanted to tell us Ward Weaver did it, but all those people were interviewed, and none of those interviews provided us with a witness or something we could put in an affidavit for probable cause to arrest Mr. Weaver, or search his property.
The FBI says Weaver was always among the top three suspects, especially after flunking a polygraph.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: Our polygrapher followed him out to his car, literally haranguing him, trying to get him to confess. He wouldn’t. This is the United States of America. We don’t have any physical ways to make somebody confess.
And so, the investigation continued, say police, until Weaver was arrested for raping Randi Oneida. And Weaver’s own sons came forward with incriminating information that allowed prosecutors and the task force to agree that finally, 10 days after the arrest, that they now had “probable cause” to search his property.
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: We were working an investigation, to try to a) find the girls, and if we couldn’t find them safe and alive, b) find out who did it. We did that. That’s a successful investigation.
Morrison: Is that what you’d say to Randi Oneida?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: No, I don’t think I’d say that to Randi Oneida.
Morrison: What would you say to her?
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: She was at risk, no question about it. She was at risk from Ward Weaver.
As for Linda and her book, the task force has come out swinging. The FBI says the book is not credible, and points to an author’s note that tells of “reconstructed conversations,” “composites of characters” and the fact that some “names have been changed.”
Jordan, FBI special agent in charge: The book is fictionalized, in some manner. So what’s fiction, what’s real, it’s hard to say.
Linda O’Neal, private investigator, author: Well, I was offended.
Linda says she made it quite clear that while some names and narrative details were altered.. her story is a true telling of events from her own perspective.
Morrison: Do they have some point? That it’s easy for you to say, “We could have moved quicker, but you weren’t part of the investigation, so how would you know what went on?”
O’Neal: I wasn’t part of their investigation. I was on my own, conducting my own investigation. And all I know is what I did and what I found out.
Should Ward Weaver have been stopped sooner than he was? The question, for Randi Oneida, is altogether too personal.
Morrison: What has he done to you?
Randi Oneida, Ward Weaver's victim: He’s ruined me. I really believe that they could have stopped him before he had gone as far as he did.
And around Oregon City, Oregon, the strange disconnect lingers: Bitterness among some who believe it took too long to solve the murder of two little girls; and among police, satisfaction for a job well done.

Editor's note: NBC News contacted Ashley Pond’s mother for comment. She said that she will be forever grateful to the FBI and all the police agencies who worked on the case, and that any criticism of their efforts is unfair.

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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 07, 2009, 06:19:46 PM
Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so ! ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 06:30:58 PM
Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so ! ::MonkeyEek::
I think he is the one that went with his search dogs to search.From his website:

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 07, 2009, 06:40:04 PM
From Breanna and JenniferO at WS.......there is a strong possibility there will be a search in McCleary 9/12-9/13....at BearBower Park(meeting up)Please try and spread the word.

Originally Posted by JenniferO 
Email from KK:


Yes there is a search being planned for the 12th and 13th. I was hoping to know by now for sure where it was being held but no one has given me a solid answer. I believe though that it will be held at the park and most likely we will have to utilize the park and an RV.

M was down all day yesterday so I did not get the chance to talk to her but I did just send Linda an email so hopefully I will hear from her soon. If you don't mind you may want to send an email to M and see if she has talked to her uncle about showing up. - Sometimes she just needs a little push or reminder to keep her on track unfortunately though it doesn't seem to work when I do it. Did she give you her card with email? If you didn't get one of them with her email address on it her email addy is <email removed by me> - that email was set up for everything related to Lindsey so it is the one checked regularly.

Let me know if I can help in any way. TTYS
KK
JenniferO wrote:
Unfortunately I personally will not be able to help out on the 12th. My daughter has a soccer game from 11 to around 2. That pretty much eats my whole day. I should be able to make it the 13th.

Breanna wrote:
To add to this Jenn, I just talked with Linda (Amber Dubois' aunt). She confirmed she is coming up here this weekend to help organize the search. It will be the 12th-13th and searcher's need to be at Beerbower Park by 9:00 am.

It would be nice if they could get a donated motor home to do paperwork etc., I'm looking into that for her.

Our conversation was short but she's going to get in touch again and throughout the week. I asked if there was a flyer regarding the search and she said either her or Kara will do one.

I know she doesn't have internet right now but she said she will try and get on and post and do some other stuff.

That's all I know right now. I don't know what they need or what they already have.

I'll try and get more information ASAP.

Maybe if some here are posters on other forums they could help spread the word. Hopefully there will be an official announcement and some information in the news outlets.

post # 572
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=23



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 08:55:01 PM
From Breanna and JenniferO at WS.......there is a strong possibility there will be a search in McCleary 9/12-9/13....at BearBower Park(meeting up)Please try and spread the word.

Originally Posted by JenniferO 
Email from KK:


Yes there is a search being planned for the 12th and 13th. I was hoping to know by now for sure where it was being held but no one has given me a solid answer. I believe though that it will be held at the park and most likely we will have to utilize the park and an RV.

M was down all day yesterday so I did not get the chance to talk to her but I did just send Linda an email so hopefully I will hear from her soon. If you don't mind you may want to send an email to M and see if she has talked to her uncle about showing up. - Sometimes she just needs a little push or reminder to keep her on track unfortunately though it doesn't seem to work when I do it. Did she give you her card with email? If you didn't get one of them with her email address on it her email addy is <email removed by me> - that email was set up for everything related to Lindsey so it is the one checked regularly.

Let me know if I can help in any way. TTYS
KK
JenniferO wrote:
Unfortunately I personally will not be able to help out on the 12th. My daughter has a soccer game from 11 to around 2. That pretty much eats my whole day. I should be able to make it the 13th.

Breanna wrote:
To add to this Jenn, I just talked with Linda (Amber Dubois' aunt). She confirmed she is coming up here this weekend to help organize the search. It will be the 12th-13th and searcher's need to be at Beerbower Park by 9:00 am.

It would be nice if they could get a donated motor home to do paperwork etc., I'm looking into that for her.

Our conversation was short but she's going to get in touch again and throughout the week. I asked if there was a flyer regarding the search and she said either her or Kara will do one.

I know she doesn't have internet right now but she said she will try and get on and post and do some other stuff.

That's all I know right now. I don't know what they need or what they already have.

I'll try and get more information ASAP.

Maybe if some here are posters on other forums they could help spread the word. Hopefully there will be an official announcement and some information in the news outlets.

post # 572
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=23



Karma

Is KK referring to Kara Kampen?

Is M referring to Melissa Baum?

I hate initials!!!

Thanks Karma.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
I agree with you Sunshine there are too many people spreading lies... But why?

sometimes people lie because they are hiding things, other people just lie because they want to feel important and feel like they have information that no one else could have. lie telling and having a grandoise way of thinking can be a sign of bipolar disorder, amongst other things.

sunshine12

With few exceptions ... I tend to disregard "inside information" where the source is not identified and ... stick to direct quotes to form my speculations/theories encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 07, 2009, 09:23:10 PM
Harry Oakes appears to be well trained. 

Did the Baum family hire him to come to Mccleary to search ?

I sure hope so ! ::MonkeyEek::
I think he is the one that went with his search dogs to search.From his website:

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed

http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html

and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 02:56:51 AM
Hi All,
I could be wrong but I don't think that the address that I gave DD has anything to do with what she is talking about. I have no idea as to the liars that she is referring either.
sebastian....so happy you are here ::(monkey hug)::  what are your thoughts on this? ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi mamacrazy30!
Thank you! I am so happy to be here too! I am just wondering why the people closest to this case are not the ones conducting the searches. I think someone in McCleary has the answers but I don't understand why they have not come forward. If she was abducted while it was still light out, you would think that she would have put up a fight, and someone would have seen someone. I think she must have known the person that took her. I think the fact that the dogs did not come up with much is troubling too. I am not sure how it fits, but it does not make any sense at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: EverySunset on September 08, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
let me make this clear... when I say I confirmed this info about the dogs on 6th going to the house on cedar and the cedar house not searched, I confirmed that with two people who had the dog report, who know all about this house not searched, who know all about the dog trail, so there is no reason in the world I should not believe them.  right?
why should I not believe them? and if this is true, someone needs to do something about it. seems to be a lot of people don't believe this info, well, all I can say is, this is going to get very interesting
Doubledecker, do you know if it is a white house? Just wondering after Adam Campbell's strange messages.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 08, 2009, 04:39:40 PM
Karma, thanks for sharing about the girls in Oregon.  It shows a real need for everyone working on a case to get together and share their info, take each other seriously, not let 'ego' or whatever, get in the way, IMO.  I've seen this happen in other cases, mainly with the local LE, who it seems doesn't want to give up being 'the lead' in a case, that they will solve it without the help of others.  Even when the FBI is called in, they often seem to tussle over what will get done and by whom. 

I know from personal exp where my local LE didn't do all that they could in a case, then dropped it.  It took the mother of the missing to go to the other large newspaper hours away, to get coverage on this case which resulted in some actual action being taken.... which resulted in the recovery of her son's body.  And THEN the local LE sits back and pats themselves on the back.  They were told in no uncertain terms that THEY had done nothing, success was all on the efforts of a licensed private citizen with his search dog, who cared enough to do something.  And the mother has filed a huge lawsuit against the local LE for their lack of action. 

Burns me up when some folks do nothing and when success eventually happens, try to take credit for it. 

It's been discussed in other cases how local LE can at times have HUGE egos, but they do little to nothing, the case gets solved by other folks, while local LE steps in and takes the credit, without giving a mention of credit where due.   This happened in the Laci Peterson case, where the psychic is the one who initially gave info where her body was.  It took forever for local LE to finally check it out.  When Laci's body was found, downstream, never was there a mention by the local LE who actually led them to that area.  They took the credit for themselves. 

I know the important thing is that the missing person is found, not who the credit for the find goes to.  If a family has been waiting for months/years, with nothing being done, and someone else comes along and solves the case, bringing the family info, a sense of peace and closure... that is something tho.  And local LE, IMO, ought not act all proud when they didn't do a dang thing in helping to bring the family that sense of closure. 

Anyway, thanks again for bringing us the info about the girls in Oregon.  Cuz this same kind of thing could be going on in Lindsey's town.  And if so, it's likely gonna take the efforts of some good ole' regular citizens willing to get involved to actually get something done, and not let the local LE turn this into a cold forgotten case.  IMO!! 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 08, 2009, 04:48:57 PM
The forensic astrologers over at WS are saying that it's possible that a child in Lindsey's town knows something, and may come forward when school begins.  A child that perhaps has not been able to speak of this, who may come forward to a trusted adult at school. 

   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 04:52:39 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 08, 2009, 05:18:39 PM
Wow!  Thanks Janet! 

The local LE reporting that there was no track scent.. because 'their own dogs' didn't pick anything up?  Sigh...



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 08, 2009, 05:25:30 PM
The forensic astrologers over at WS are saying that it's possible that a child in Lindsey's town knows something, and may come forward when school begins.  A child that perhaps has not been able to speak of this, who may come forward to a trusted adult at school. 

   
I'm not a big astrology person, but I will say that astrology thread on WS they are pretty good, hopefully that will happen. I have believed all along that someone saw something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 08, 2009, 05:26:59 PM
Wow!  Thanks Janet! 

The local LE reporting that there was no track scent.. because 'their own dogs' didn't pick anything up?  Sigh...


Interesting, thanks Janet  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 05:47:51 PM
Wow!  Thanks Janet! 

The local LE reporting that there was no track scent.. because 'their own dogs' didn't pick anything up?  Sigh...



It must be noted that Harry Oakes does not claim in the email sent to me that his dog/s located Lindsey's scent.

I cannot comprehend if Harry Oakes' report claimed that Lindsey's scent was detected on 6th Street ... why the silence from LE?  Was the report not given credibility considering the tracking dogs used by LE/FBI did not detect Lindsey's scent?  Was the report investigated and then disregarded?

The canine search by Harry Oakes has never been mentioned in the media.

Janet

+++++

THE TRACKING DOGS

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 08, 2009, 05:52:10 PM
I just can't figure any of this out, it's like let's not talk about anything and all this will go away  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 06:00:38 PM
I just can't figure any of this out, it's like let's not talk about anything and all this will go away  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know what you mean no rose colored glasses

When I compared the news releases by LE in the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony case with the new releases by McCleary LE ... I get the feeling there is not a sincere effort to solve this case.  The investigators are quietly going through the motions by looking outside McCleary rathering than focusing on those closest to Lindsey.

IMO ... something is not right.

Janet   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 08, 2009, 06:31:50 PM
I just can't figure any of this out, it's like let's not talk about anything and all this will go away  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I know what you mean no rose colored glasses

When I compared the news releases by LE in the Haleigh Cummings and Caylee Anthony case with the new releases by McCleary LE ... I get the feeling there is not a sincere effort to solve this case.  The investigators are quietly going through the motions by looking outside McCleary rathering than focusing on those closest to Lindsey.

IMO ... something is not right.

Janet   
Something is definitely not right  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 06:32:43 PM
If they tracked the dogs to a logging trail, then I assume this would mean that LB would have been on foot? Or can the dogs track her if she is in a vehicle? If she was on foot, I cannot see her going there alone. My next question would be, who could get her to walk along with them to this logging trail?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 08, 2009, 07:20:32 PM
at 9:15 p.m. it was getting dark.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
From Breanna and JenniferO at WS.......there is a strong possibility there will be a search in McCleary 9/12-9/13....at BearBower Park(meeting up)Please try and spread the word.

Originally Posted by JenniferO 
Email from KK:


Yes there is a search being planned for the 12th and 13th. I was hoping to know by now for sure where it was being held but no one has given me a solid answer. I believe though that it will be held at the park and most likely we will have to utilize the park and an RV.

M was down all day yesterday so I did not get the chance to talk to her but I did just send Linda an email so hopefully I will hear from her soon. If you don't mind you may want to send an email to M and see if she has talked to her uncle about showing up. - Sometimes she just needs a little push or reminder to keep her on track unfortunately though it doesn't seem to work when I do it. Did she give you her card with email? If you didn't get one of them with her email address on it her email addy is <email removed by me> - that email was set up for everything related to Lindsey so it is the one checked regularly.

Let me know if I can help in any way. TTYS
KK
JenniferO wrote:
Unfortunately I personally will not be able to help out on the 12th. My daughter has a soccer game from 11 to around 2. That pretty much eats my whole day. I should be able to make it the 13th.

Breanna wrote:
To add to this Jenn, I just talked with Linda (Amber Dubois' aunt). She confirmed she is coming up here this weekend to help organize the search. It will be the 12th-13th and searcher's need to be at Beerbower Park by 9:00 am.

It would be nice if they could get a donated motor home to do paperwork etc., I'm looking into that for her.

Our conversation was short but she's going to get in touch again and throughout the week. I asked if there was a flyer regarding the search and she said either her or Kara will do one.

I know she doesn't have internet right now but she said she will try and get on and post and do some other stuff.

That's all I know right now. I don't know what they need or what they already have.

I'll try and get more information ASAP.

Maybe if some here are posters on other forums they could help spread the word. Hopefully there will be an official announcement and some information in the news outlets.

post # 572
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=23



Karma

Is KK referring to Kara Kampen?

Is M referring to Melissa Baum?

I hate initials!!!

Thanks Karma.

Janet
Yikes,sorry Janet,I hate the initials thing too.
KK=Kara Kampen
M and MB=Melissa Baum


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 07:46:22 PM
Karma, thanks for sharing about the girls in Oregon.  It shows a real need for everyone working on a case to get together and share their info, take each other seriously, not let 'ego' or whatever, get in the way, IMO.  I've seen this happen in other cases, mainly with the local LE, who it seems doesn't want to give up being 'the lead' in a case, that they will solve it without the help of others.  Even when the FBI is called in, they often seem to tussle over what will get done and by whom. 

I know from personal exp where my local LE didn't do all that they could in a case, then dropped it.  It took the mother of the missing to go to the other large newspaper hours away, to get coverage on this case which resulted in some actual action being taken.... which resulted in the recovery of her son's body.  And THEN the local LE sits back and pats themselves on the back.  They were told in no uncertain terms that THEY had done nothing, success was all on the efforts of a licensed private citizen with his search dog, who cared enough to do something.  And the mother has filed a huge lawsuit against the local LE for their lack of action. 

Burns me up when some folks do nothing and when success eventually happens, try to take credit for it. 

It's been discussed in other cases how local LE can at times have HUGE egos, but they do little to nothing, the case gets solved by other folks, while local LE steps in and takes the credit, without giving a mention of credit where due.   This happened in the Laci Peterson case, where the psychic is the one who initially gave info where her body was.  It took forever for local LE to finally check it out.  When Laci's body was found, downstream, never was there a mention by the local LE who actually led them to that area.  They took the credit for themselves. 

I know the important thing is that the missing person is found, not who the credit for the find goes to.  If a family has been waiting for months/years, with nothing being done, and someone else comes along and solves the case, bringing the family info, a sense of peace and closure... that is something tho.  And local LE, IMO, ought not act all proud when they didn't do a dang thing in helping to bring the family that sense of closure. 

Anyway, thanks again for bringing us the info about the girls in Oregon.  Cuz this same kind of thing could be going on in Lindsey's town.  And if so, it's likely gonna take the efforts of some good ole' regular citizens willing to get involved to actually get something done, and not let the local LE turn this into a cold forgotten case.  IMO!! 


I totally agree Wyks
At the last community search in McCleary,most of the searchers and volunteers came from every where BUT from McCleary.I realize McCleary only has about 1500 or so people living there but c'mon!
The only one I ever see constantly by Melissa Baum's side is Kara K.
I really do not understand this at all.I feel even Lindsey's Dad Scott(in the National Guard)could be doing more.     ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 07:47:23 PM
The forensic astrologers over at WS are saying that it's possible that a child in Lindsey's town knows something, and may come forward when school begins.  A child that perhaps has not been able to speak of this, who may come forward to a trusted adult at school. 

   
I sure hope this happens and a friend does come forward with some info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 07:51:07 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry


Whoaaa,thank you Janet!
We'll have to get a map of this with Beck street on it and try to see if we see anything.I can't figure out why the local LE seem so.....uninvolved?WTH!
I'll check it out tomorrow,gotta go and get ready for bed.....4:30 AM comes too soon.
Thanks again sweety


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 07:54:57 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry


Beck ST. runs in the same direction as Mommsen ST.(Lindsey's street)and is one street over from Mommsen ST.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 07:56:22 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 08:01:24 PM
If they tracked the dogs to a logging trail, then I assume this would mean that LB would have been on foot? Or can the dogs track her if she is in a vehicle? If she was on foot, I cannot see her going there alone. My next question would be, who could get her to walk along with them to this logging trail?
Harry said she possibly was on a motorcycle or a ATV.I wonder if it was someone she knew because how would they get her on either a MC or ATV if they knocked her out?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:02:17 PM
Karma ... thanks.  I was wondering where Beck was.

Is Harry Oaks' claim that the dog/s followed a death scent for quite a way implying a body was being transported along Beck?

I wish Mr. Oaks had responded to my 6th Street query.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 08:04:05 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:07:24 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

KONAMOCHA

According to Kara Kampen ... Harry Oakes was hired independent of LE/FBI by Melissa Baum.

Anyways ... he did not reveal to me in the email anything pertaining to the report that he submitted to LE.

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed

http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html

and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 08:09:15 PM
wow, that is very odd ....hmmmm

 :2thinky:

makes my wheels turn very fast just thinking about it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 08, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Karma ... thanks.  I was wondering where Beck was.

Is Harry Oaks' claim that the dog/s followed a death scent for quite a way implying a body was being transported along Beck?

I wish Mr. Oaks had responded to my 6th Street query.

Janet
From my understanding of his email response,it sounds like there is/was a dead body in the woods.The dogs may have been scenting on the death smell(winds blowing the scent around).
It sounds to me that the dogs were first tracking a live Lindsey scent then they were scenting on a dead body in the woods.

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:17:56 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?

Karma ... the following are the posts submitted to SM where Kara discusses the 6th Street route/search.  Was it on another forum that Kara claims she received a report?  Maybe she shared this info DD.

Janet

++++++


KARA KAMPEN:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE/SEARCH?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1229 on: July 05, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »


I am a bit confused now as to where the eye witness says she saw Lindsey. I would strongly suggest if my information is the only one throwing the witness accounts off base then I would ignore what I said. I did not see Lindsey after she left so I could not accurately attest to which direction she headed. I had thought that the witness originally stated going up 6th but I have not been able to find where I read that so maybe I did not. That is why it seemed to add up with what I was told early on about the tracking dogs... This is my major gray area so I should probably refrain from speculating since now I seem to be the one adding a "rumored" account.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865710#msg865710



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:19:57 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry




BUMPED!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 08:28:26 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

KONAMOCHA

According to Kara Kampen ... Harry Oakes was hired independent of LE/FBI by Melissa Baum.

Anyways ... he did not reveal to me in the email anything pertaining to the report that he submitted to LE.

Janet


Janet, I am confused.  Are you saying what he revealed to you in the e-mail he didn't include in his report to LE or the FBI?
I sure appreciate you e-mailing him and getting a response.  I'm surprised he would respond to an e-mail because you could have been anyone (I know you're someone, not meaning that), but goodness, how would he know you weren't the perp?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 08:41:02 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?

I suppose because he was hired by MelissaB he could give it out to whomever she said.  I'm not sure how that works.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 08:43:08 PM
I don't believe Harry gave a copy to KK...

It is more likely that MB gave her a copy

He is only allowed to share with the person that hired him (family), LE & FBI


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:47:16 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

KONAMOCHA

According to Kara Kampen ... Harry Oakes was hired independent of LE/FBI by Melissa Baum.

Anyways ... he did not reveal to me in the email anything pertaining to the report that he submitted to LE.

Janet


Janet, I am confused.  Are you saying what he revealed to you in the e-mail he didn't include in his report to LE or the FBI?
I sure appreciate you e-mailing him and getting a response.  I'm surprised he would respond to an e-mail because you could have been anyone (I know you're someone, not meaning that), but goodness, how would he know you weren't the perp?

Sister

Harry Oakes words imply to me that he is sharing regarding a death scent detection by his dogs that may or may not be Lindsey.

However .... I requested info regarding info on the Sixth Street canine search in my correspondence.  I would imagine that this is the info that he included in his report to the McCleary Police ... info he did not reveal to me.

I contend that Harry Oakes sharing the outcome of his canine search on Beck with me is no different that the LE affording the media info regarding the outcome of the searches by their tracking dogs. 

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 08, 2009, 08:50:33 PM
I don't believe Harry gave a copy to KK...

It is more likely that MB gave her a copy

He is only allowed to share with the person that hired him (family), LE & FBI

Konamocha-  first off, welcome! 

I have a question - you seem upset that the information was released to a member via email.  What is your reason for that?  To me, it seems like any information that could help searchers from here or ws or anywhere who are putting feet on the ground could only benefit by some new information and guidance.  Are you a local in McCleary?  Are you a law enforcement person or law person and that is why this disturbs/shocks you? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 08:58:24 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?

I suppose because he was hired by MelissaB he could give it out to whomever she said.  I'm not sure how that works.

Could it be that monies were never exchanged between Melissa Baum and Harry Oakes and ... therefore the info is his to do with as he wishes.

Just a thought.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 08:58:28 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

KONAMOCHA

According to Kara Kampen ... Harry Oakes was hired independent of LE/FBI by Melissa Baum.

Anyways ... he did not reveal to me in the email anything pertaining to the report that he submitted to LE.

Janet


Janet, I am confused.  Are you saying what he revealed to you in the e-mail he didn't include in his report to LE or the FBI?
I sure appreciate you e-mailing him and getting a response.  I'm surprised he would respond to an e-mail because you could have been anyone (I know you're someone, not meaning that), but goodness, how would he know you weren't the perp?

Sister

Harry Oakes words imply to me that he is sharing regarding a death scent detection by his dogs that may or may not be Lindsey.

However .... I requested info regarding info on the Sixth Street canine search in my correspondence.  I would imagine that this is the info that he included in his report to the McCleary Police ... info he did not reveal to me.

I contend that Harry Oakes sharing the outcome of his canine search on Beck with me is no different that the LE affording the media info regarding the outcome of the searches by their tracking dogs. 

Janet


Janet, I understand what you are saying, but I remain confused nonetheless.  If he is sharing information with you, to me the word sharing means it was also sent to LE and the FBI.  Assuredly, the info regarding any death scent detection would be included in such a report.
I'm glad he shared with you; however, it is totally different than LE affording the media info because Oakes is a private investigator and therefore his information does not fall into requests made by the media under the Freedom of Information Act.  He runs a for-profit business and not a non-profit, thereby confidentiality is generally (of course not always) protected.
Good job researching!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

What contract?  KONAMOCHA ... please explain.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 09:21:59 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

What contract?  KONAMOCHA ... please explain.

Thanks

Janet

omg, do you think he worked without a contract?? yipes!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 09:26:50 PM
Harry can only be hired by family or LE.

He can only give what he finds to the family or LE

He as a business is required to sign a contract concerning his fees and confidentiality about his findings.

I am not LE

Yes I am a local

I am upset ... mostly because now you are going to have ppl that don't know what they are doing that read these forums out there in the vicinity disturbing possible evidence because they have not been taught what to look for and to not touch anything !!

per his emails :

Part 1:

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 5:28 PM


Harry,
 
I just heard that you may have been the private search team that came up here looking for clues about Lindsey.
 
I hope they were right and that you were able to find anything that would help bring her home.

 If the rumor is wrong please let me know so I can set them straight on the online forums.
 
 
Hope you had a great weekend
 


Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry
 

 Part 3 :

To: "Harry Oakes" ((edit))
Date: Monday, September 7, 2009, 9:14 PM


 I personally want to say thank you !!
 
All help is greatly appreciated and I am so glad that they contacted you finally to help with the search for Lindsey.
 
My heart sinks everyday that she is not home with her mother.
 
Thank You Harry !!
 
Part 4:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/8/2009 1:19:49 AM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
Mine too
thank you
harry
 




 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 09:29:54 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::

What contract?  KONAMOCHA ... please explain.

Thanks

Janet

omg, do you think he worked without a contract?? yipes!

I don't have a clue.  However ... KONAMOCHA ... seem to know something about "the" contact.

Considering Melissa Baum's financial position ... I thought maybe Harry Oakes may have conducted the independent search without charging a fee and ... therefore there was no  contract ... no confidentiality agreement.

Just speculating why Mr. Oakes would freely reveal information.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 09:35:05 PM
Janet, even if no fee, that doesn't necessarily translate to no contract or no confidentiality, does it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 09:49:08 PM
Janet, even if no fee, that doesn't necessarily translate to no contract or no confidentiality, does it?

Sister

I was just attempting to justify why Harry Oakes would reveal to me ... a stranger ... infomation regarding the outcome of his search in the Lindsey Baum case.

If there was no confidentiality agreement and ... he did the search at his own expense ... he has every right to reveal his findings to whomever he pleases and whatever organization he pleases.

However ... if there was a contract ... a confidentiality agreement ... Harry Oakes was wrong when he revealed his findings outside Melissa Baum, LE and the FBI.

IMO

Janet

+++++



<snipped>

Part 2:

From: Harry Oakes
Date: 9/7/2009 8:37:01 PM

Subject: Re: Lindsey Baum
     
I've donated  33.20 hours traveling a total of 910 miles
Donating $7000.00 in services to this search. All of my findings have been turned over to the McCleary City PD and FBI.
thanks
harry

<snipped>
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 09:57:59 PM
Janet, do you know if there was or wasn't a contract?  When you go to his site, it appears he is quite a professional, therefore, even though he is a very generous man by donating his services, that doesn't mean there is no contract.
But even if there is no contract, why do you suppose he would wait all this time to reveal publicly his findings?  So on which day of his searches do you think he discovered these things, July or August?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 09:59:44 PM
wow, that is very odd ....hmmmm

 :2thinky:

makes my wheels turn very fast just thinking about it

Kona, I'm a little surprise too.  You're right -- now every one and their brother will be trampling through these areas.  We can just pray for the best!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 10:10:39 PM
Janet, do you know if there was or wasn't a contract?  When you go to his site, it appears he is quite a professional, therefore, even though he is a very generous man by donating his services, that doesn't mean there is no contract.
But even if there is no contract, why do you suppose he would wait all this time to reveal publicly his findings?  So on which day of his searches do you think he discovered these things, July or August?

Sister

I have no answers for you.

However ... considering this man's professionality and revealed generousity ... I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he is not bound by a confidentiality agreement or he would not have openly revealed any aspect of the outcome of his canine search in the Lindsey Baum case.

Maybe the lack of action from LE/FBI regarding the findings outlined in his report that he submitted dictated that he will no longer remain silent.  However ... when all is said and done ... I have no idea.  I am only speculating on Mr. Oakes' motives.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 10:19:33 PM
Pity, somehow I sense this will not help find Lindsey and may in fact harm bringing her home.  It is very sad Mr. Oaks decided to share this info via you and onto the internet (not that you did anything wrong).  Just seems odd to have the spotlight shine in such a fashion.  One would think he could have found a different way.  Prayers for Lindsey!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2009, 10:29:12 PM
Isn't this what KaraK has already posted on the internet?  Right or wrong, it turns out to be factual and was posted some time ago, correct?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 10:31:08 PM
Klaas, I had not seen that before, so I'm not sure.  Had not heard or read anything about a death scent trail of any kind.  Shudders!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2009, 10:36:29 PM
Klaas, I had not seen that before, so I'm not sure.  Had not heard or read anything about a death scent trail of any kind.  Shudders!

The death scent could be anyone at any time, even he somewhat dismissed that part.  But the route and the 6th street part KaraK had posted.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 10:42:14 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



Klaas

Harry Oakes shared NOTHING about the canine search that revealed Lindsey may have take a diversion off of Maple onto Sixth Street.  Kara Kampen was the one who revealed all on the forum.

However ... Harry Oakes did shared concerning a route that revealed a "death" scent but ... he clearly stated that this "death" scent was not necessarily Lindsey Baum  case related.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2009, 10:46:50 PM
Thanks Janet.  I'm just not sure why people are so upset over this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 10:49:33 PM
Yes, I had gathered that as well, I just had never heard of Beck Street, etc.
Justice for Lindsey!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 10:50:54 PM
shoot, hit the button too quick.  Klaas, I'm not upset, just really surprised I think would be a better word.  I do appreciate Janet doing this leg work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 11:00:45 PM
IMPO

I find it very odd that Harry would divulge anything about his findings to anyone other than family or LE

That is all I have to say about that...lol



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 08, 2009, 11:02:20 PM
Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
9:00 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2009, 11:03:36 PM
I've known Tamikosmom long enough to know she would'nt post that if it weren't true.  So I know she got an email from him.  Why he is sharing information, who knows?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 11:07:38 PM
I've known Tamikosmom long enough to know she would'nt post that if it weren't true.  So I know she got an email from him.  Why he is sharing information, who knows?

Klaas, I never for a moment thought Janet's post wasn't true.  It was just a shock for me as I had not heard about Beck or the death scent trail.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 08, 2009, 11:09:28 PM
I've known Tamikosmom long enough to know she would'nt post that if it weren't true.  So I know she got an email from him.  Why he is sharing information, who knows?

Klaas, I never for a moment thought Janet's post wasn't true.  It was just a shock for me as I had not heard about Beck or the death scent trail.

Right but Konamocha is new to SM and wouldn't know Janet from Adam.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 11:11:24 PM
Klassend,

I was not doubting her emails from Harry.

I was just shocked that he would tell a stranger that kind of information

I apologize if it appeared I did not believe she had emailed him and received the response that was posted.

I again, am just shocked that he gave out that kind of information.

I admit that I have no idea why he would want to share that information and it was solely his choice to decide to do so at this time. 

There must be a reason that I do not understand at the moment ... but rest assured , we will know why at a later date ...lol



 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 08, 2009, 11:12:08 PM
Maybe Mr. Oakes is frustrated that whatever he shared with LE has gone nowhere. Perhaps he held back the information in the beginning, but decided to come forward after there was not any action. I think a lot of things are going to change with the Jaycee Dugard case. Too many people are upset that that poor girl went through what she did for 18 years! If LE was on the ball, I don't think there would be so many cybersleuths. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 08, 2009, 11:19:07 PM
That very well could be the case sebastian

It was not my intention to make Janet feel like I was attacking her .

I admit my frustration got the better of me and she was just posting the information she received.

I am still in shock though  lol

Sorry Janet if that is how I made you feel  ::MonkeyWaa::

Will try to keep emotions in check from now on but there are no guarantees  ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 08, 2009, 11:23:55 PM
Maybe Mr. Oakes is frustrated that whatever he shared with LE has gone nowhere. Perhaps he held back the information in the beginning, but decided to come forward after there was not any action. I think a lot of things are going to change with the Jaycee Dugard case. Too many people are upset that that poor girl went through what she did for 18 years! If LE was on the ball, I don't think there would be so many cybersleuths. JMO

sebastian, I think you have hit on the truth here.  Mr. Oakes as I recall did this back in early July.  If LE has not followed up by now, when will they ever?  I''d guess never.   Personally, I am glad he is talking.     ::MonkeyCool::

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 11:30:36 PM
Chi, I'm glad he's talking too -- I just think it odd to reveal this information on a forum and not via the press or something like that.  That part, I just don't get.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 08, 2009, 11:38:30 PM
Last thought for the evening, wonder what LE did about the death scent.  Mr Oaks clearly states it may not be Lindsey, but he also said the dog did alert.  After reading the article KarmaR posted earlier, it sure is a puzzlement.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 09, 2009, 05:36:58 AM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?

Karma ... the following are the posts submitted to SM where Kara discusses the 6th Street route/search.  Was it on another forum that Kara claims she received a report?  Maybe she shared this info DD.

Janet

++++++


KARA KAMPEN:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE/SEARCH?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1229 on: July 05, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »


I am a bit confused now as to where the eye witness says she saw Lindsey. I would strongly suggest if my information is the only one throwing the witness accounts off base then I would ignore what I said. I did not see Lindsey after she left so I could not accurately attest to which direction she headed. I had thought that the witness originally stated going up 6th but I have not been able to find where I read that so maybe I did not. That is why it seemed to add up with what I was told early on about the tracking dogs... This is my major gray area so I should probably refrain from speculating since now I seem to be the one adding a "rumored" account.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865710#msg865710


Kara sounds confusing,I believe she is talking about 2 different dog searches.....one from LE and one from Harry.Seems she only thought she read(somewhere?Blogs?Media misreporting?)that the dogs tracked her on 6th street.If the dogs tracked her on Beck street,Lindsey would have had to make a left on one of those streets on Maple,not a right,to get to Beck street.
I do know that Kara shared the dog search report(Harry's)with DD and with JenniferO from WS.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 10:00:56 AM
KarmaR, had you read about Beck Street before and the death scent?  I hadn't, so I was surprised.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 09, 2009, 11:04:02 AM
Search for Lindsey Baum  

When:

Saturday and Sunday (Sept 12 and 13)
8:30 am to 4:30 pm

Where:

Beerbower Park
Downtown McCleary Next to City Hall

Dress:

Dress for the weather and wear comfortable
shoes. Long sleeves and pants suggested.

Bring:

If you have; flash light, cell phone, walkie talkies,
garmen or gps devices, backpack to carry water
and snacks.

We will also need a few people to work at the center, so if you
aren’t able to search, we can still use your help.


For more information or any questions  
contact us on our
website: http://www.findlindseybaum.com

donations can be made for the search at any Sterling Savings bank.. be sure and tell them it's for the LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH FUND

Directly from Melissa Baum

Thank you all for your continued support in the effort to find my daughter Lindsey Jo Baum. I am attaching a flyer with info on the search we are doing this weekend. If you could help us get the info out there. It's same as before, we need searchers. We can also use the same donations as last time: drinks, snacks, food, copy paper, papertowels, toilet paper. We will have an rv set up this time at the park next to city hall as we have been unable to get a building for this weekend but are still doing the search.
If you have any questions feel free to contact myself (Melissa Baum): at 360-495-3400 Home 360-470-3726 cell or Kara Kampen at 360-861-8072.___________________________________

This is From Kara to JenniferO/passed on to DD to post - Highlighted by DD


SEARCH FUND INFORMATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING

Account Type: Dual Signature with Unrelated Third Party Monitoring

Again this is a COPY and PASTE of an email sent to me by Kara.

I am a signer as is A*****. She is not family. I believe she is an acquaintance of Melissa's but I asked her to be a signer because she handled the last money raised at the fundraiser that was strictly to go for the family (before the search center and not associated with an account) and she was very thorough and by the book. Every penny had to be accounted for before she would dole it out. Marc Klaas and Brad Dennis both met her and were both really impressed with her.  

Also - we set up the account so that no one person can make a withdrawal  - two signatures are required for ALL transactions and all withdrawals have to be logged and backed up by receipts. Copies kept personally and a copy kept at the bank. Which I believe is part of the third party monitoring.

A and I are also the signers on the reward account which is set up the same way so that money can not be withdrawn by any one individual and not unless the reward is being paid out in full.

I am not sure who to have them talk to but FBI is aware of it and was there the day it was set up and they affirmed that they monitor them as well as the IRS  just so nothing hinky can take place. I know there are concerns about the money being used for personal reasons but the account was set up solely for search so MB nor A nor I can access it for any other reason. We set it up the way that we did based on what we were told by LRC and FBI on how it had to be handled and MB is not privvy to the deposits made to it or the statements but other agencies involved  are so it will be being watched like a hawk.

Not sure that helps or is even explanatory enough - but I can promise you no one with access to the money in either account would touch it for any reason other than what it was set up for.

Let me know if you need to know anything else about it. I believe the info that I just gave you can also be gotten if they were to call McCleary Sterling Savings and talk to the branch manager. I believe she can at least divulge the basics of the account. Just not the personal info attached to it.

_____________________________________






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 09, 2009, 11:21:18 AM
Good to see you DD ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:44:23 AM
DD

Who is organizing the search?

Where are the areas being searched?

Are financial statements available upon request?

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 09, 2009, 12:13:41 PM
Good to see you DD ::MonkeyWink::
  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 09, 2009, 12:59:25 PM
Chi, I'm glad he's talking too -- I just think it odd to reveal this information on a forum and not via the press or something like that.  That part, I just don't get.

Mr. Oakes did the search, handed his findings over to the proper folks.  Then it seems nothing was done with that info, like it could have been totally ignored.  This may have frustrated Mr. Oakes, as it would have me. 

After waiting and realizing his findings weren't being taken seriously by the authorities, perhaps he DID reveal the info to the press, we don't have that info, he hasn't said if he did or not, or did I miss that?  The media may be, as in other cases, taking their cue on what to report or not report from the authorities. 

If the above is true, then perhaps Mr. Oakes is sharing his info with a listening audience, those who contact him (online forums, etc).  Could be that he is very glad that finally someone is hearing what his findings were.  Any route necessary to get the truth out, IMO. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 09, 2009, 04:17:37 PM
Search for Lindsey Baum  

When:

Saturday and Sunday (Sept 12 and 13)
8:30 am to 4:30 pm

Where:

Beerbower Park
Downtown McCleary Next to City Hall

Dress:

Dress for the weather and wear comfortable
shoes. Long sleeves and pants suggested.

Bring:

If you have; flash light, cell phone, walkie talkies,
garmen or gps devices, backpack to carry water
and snacks.

We will also need a few people to work at the center, so if you
aren’t able to search, we can still use your help.


For more information or any questions  
contact us on our
website: http://www.findlindseybaum.com

donations can be made for the search at any Sterling Savings bank.. be sure and tell them it's for the LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH FUND

Directly from Melissa Baum

Thank you all for your continued support in the effort to find my daughter Lindsey Jo Baum. I am attaching a flyer with info on the search we are doing this weekend. If you could help us get the info out there. It's same as before, we need searchers. We can also use the same donations as last time: drinks, snacks, food, copy paper, papertowels, toilet paper. We will have an rv set up this time at the park next to city hall as we have been unable to get a building for this weekend but are still doing the search.
If you have any questions feel free to contact myself (Melissa Baum): at 360-495-3400 Home 360-470-3726 cell or Kara Kampen at 360-861-8072.___________________________________

This is From Kara to JenniferO/passed on to DD to post - Highlighted by DD


SEARCH FUND INFORMATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING

Account Type: Dual Signature with Unrelated Third Party Monitoring

Again this is a COPY and PASTE of an email sent to me by Kara.

I am a signer as is A*****. She is not family. I believe she is an acquaintance of Melissa's but I asked her to be a signer because she handled the last money raised at the fundraiser that was strictly to go for the family (before the search center and not associated with an account) and she was very thorough and by the book. Every penny had to be accounted for before she would dole it out. Marc Klaas and Brad Dennis both met her and were both really impressed with her.  

Also - we set up the account so that no one person can make a withdrawal  - two signatures are required for ALL transactions and all withdrawals have to be logged and backed up by receipts. Copies kept personally and a copy kept at the bank. Which I believe is part of the third party monitoring.

A and I are also the signers on the reward account which is set up the same way so that money can not be withdrawn by any one individual and not unless the reward is being paid out in full.

I am not sure who to have them talk to but FBI is aware of it and was there the day it was set up and they affirmed that they monitor them as well as the IRS  just so nothing hinky can take place. I know there are concerns about the money being used for personal reasons but the account was set up solely for search so MB nor A nor I can access it for any other reason. We set it up the way that we did based on what we were told by LRC and FBI on how it had to be handled and MB is not privvy to the deposits made to it or the statements but other agencies involved  are so it will be being watched like a hawk.

Not sure that helps or is even explanatory enough - but I can promise you no one with access to the money in either account would touch it for any reason other than what it was set up for.

Let me know if you need to know anything else about it. I believe the info that I just gave you can also be gotten if they were to call McCleary Sterling Savings and talk to the branch manager. I believe she can at least divulge the basics of the account. Just not the personal info attached to it.

_____________________________________







just was told there is a change in plans ugh...

UPDATE

Corrected info on the searches

NO SEARCH ON FRIDAY.  

Searches are going to be done on Saturday and Sunday only (Sept 12 and 13).


CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EDIT THE ORGINAL POST.. THANKS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 09, 2009, 04:22:50 PM
DD

Who is organizing the search?

Where are the areas being searched?

Are financial statements available upon request?

Thank you.

Janet


One of the laura recovery volunteers is coming up to help will be there on Saturday, along with others who were at the last search who were trained to help by the LRC.

They do not tell where they search


You would have to contact the sterling bank or one of the people in charge of the search fund to ask those questions.  I had asked for some info on the search fund so people would know what it is all about, and the above is the reply I received, so other than that I don't know, I have nothing at all to do with it, so I don't want to be assuming anything.

all I did was copy my reply which they gave me to post wherever, and I brought it here, other than that I should not be the one answering questions about the search fund.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Nut44x4 on September 09, 2009, 04:30:38 PM
DD / done  :salut:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 09, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
KarmaR, had you read about Beck Street before and the death scent?  I hadn't, so I was surprised.
Sister I was very surprised to read the dogs scented on Beck ST.I never read that before.I think DD has a copy of the Harry dog search report so maybe she will come on to clear this up or confirm it.I see no harm in sharing this info as it seems the LE aren't doing a thing about it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 05:08:21 PM
DD

Who is organizing the search?

Where are the areas being searched?

Are financial statements available upon request?

Thank you.

Janet


One of the laura recovery volunteers is coming up to help will be there on Saturday, along with others who were at the last search who were trained to help by the LRC.

They do not tell where they search


You would have to contact the sterling bank or one of the people in charge of the search fund to ask those questions.  I had asked for some info on the search fund so people would know what it is all about, and the above is the reply I received, so other than that I don't know, I have nothing at all to do with it, so I don't want to be assuming anything.

all I did was copy my reply which they gave me to post wherever, and I brought it here, other than that I should not be the one answering questions about the search fund.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 09, 2009, 07:00:31 PM
Uhhhhh... do we want those phone numbers in that search thing up there??   ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 09, 2009, 07:03:08 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 09, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
Uhhhhh... do we want those phone numbers in that search thing up there??   ::MonkeyEek::



WYKES - it is my understanding that DD was sent that information and asked to post it and share it on forums. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 09, 2009, 07:08:07 PM
Uhhhhh... do we want those phone numbers in that search thing up there??   ::MonkeyEek::



WYKES - it is my understanding that DD was sent that information and asked to post it and share it on forums. 

Ok, just making sure it wasn't overlooked.. thanks! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 07:17:21 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



Thanks Karma.

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 07:21:15 PM
When you consider the relation to the Baum residence along 1st ... I wonder if ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI searched the Beck route where Harry Oakes' dog/s detected a "death" scent.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 09, 2009, 07:37:44 PM
When you consider the relation to the Baum residence along 1st ... I wonder if ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI searched the Beck route where Harry Oakes' dog/s detected a "death" scent.

Janet



I sure hope so, Janet! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 07:43:29 PM
I am really surprised that Harry gave you that information since he is bound by the contract not to discuss his findings with anyone but LE & FBI   ::MonkeyEek::
Harry also gave a copy of the report to Kara K.(and discussed it with her) so I don't know?

Karma ... the following are the posts submitted to SM where Kara discusses the 6th Street route/search.  Was it on another forum that Kara claims she received a report?  Maybe she shared this info DD.

Janet

++++++


KARA KAMPEN:  THE WITNESS - THE DOGS - THE SIXTH STREET ROUTE/SEARCH?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #350 on: July 01, 2009, 05:25:22 PM »


For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg860401#msg860401
 

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1152 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:45 PM »


Absolutely - don't worry about me just do what you guys have to do. - I stand by what I was told early on about where Lindsey's scent was picked up but I will have to confirm direction with Mr. Oakes if I get to see him again as far as the most recent trail that was picked up. He never actually mentioned a scent on Pine or anything like that simply 6th and then he too mentioned and searched the same area past her house that was picked up by the original dogs. If I can talk to him I will try to confirm exactly where the scent led and if it seemed to be a solid trail.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865282#msg865282


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1229 on: July 05, 2009, 10:27:51 PM »


I am a bit confused now as to where the eye witness says she saw Lindsey. I would strongly suggest if my information is the only one throwing the witness accounts off base then I would ignore what I said. I did not see Lindsey after she left so I could not accurately attest to which direction she headed. I had thought that the witness originally stated going up 6th but I have not been able to find where I read that so maybe I did not. That is why it seemed to add up with what I was told early on about the tracking dogs... This is my major gray area so I should probably refrain from speculating since now I seem to be the one adding a "rumored" account.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865710#msg865710


Kara sounds confusing,I believe she is talking about 2 different dog searches.....one from LE and one from Harry.Seems she only thought she read(somewhere?Blogs?Media misreporting?)that the dogs tracked her on 6th street.If the dogs tracked her on Beck street,Lindsey would have had to make a left on one of those streets on Maple,not a right,to get to Beck street.
I do know that Kara shared the dog search report(Harry's)with DD and with JenniferO from WS.


I agree Karma.  Kara Kampen is all over the place regarding the 6th Street topic.

Nevertheless ... I will give LE/FBI the benefit of the doubt that Harry Oakes' report was taken into consideration in the process of the elimination.  I hope it was not disregarded as a non-issue.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 08:33:11 PM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 09, 2009, 08:45:42 PM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.

I second this!  Pretty please.  I actually wondered what you asked him to get the response last night, but the room felt tense....(to me, anyway!)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 08:54:25 PM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.

Sister

I posted EVERYTHING (see above) that Harry Oakes emailed me in response to my concern that the case appeared to be going cold and ... considering the findings of LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 08:56:26 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 09:22:36 PM
Janet, what exactly did you ask him that would cause him to share this "new" information (new to me at least).  Do you mind posting your e-mail if it's not too much trouble.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 09:28:59 PM
Janet, what exactly did you ask him that would cause him to share this "new" information (new to me at least).  Do you mind posting your e-mail if it's not too much trouble.

Sister

I do not have the exact wording as I sent my words to Harry Oakes.  I shared the essence of my email.

Janet







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 09:31:06 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Just hoped you would have a copy in your send file.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Just hoped you would have a copy in your send file.

Where is my "send" file?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 09:37:35 PM
 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet, I think you DIL could help you find it.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 09:50:04 PM
DIL will not be coming over this evening but a Scrabble friend is.  I will ask her.

Sister ... maybe DD could ask Kara Kampen to get in touch with Harry Oakes regarding this issue.  Considering Kara has had past dealings with him in regards to his canine  search on Melissa Baum's behalf ... he may be more forthcoming to her in regards to the Beck Street "death" scent.

Just a suggestion.

Anyways ... I have to look for my Scrabble dictionary.  It is not where it is suppose to be.

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
6:50 PM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 09, 2009, 10:27:05 PM
Janet, I don't think I will ask dd to ask KaraK to ask HarryO for a copy of your e-mail.   
::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 09, 2009, 11:05:53 PM
I am sorry you felt the room was tense last night and I did apologize to Janet as well...

I was just shocked that he revealed the information and I probably came across as being directed at Janet.... sorry

You may be right as to why he decided to reveal it now but it still concerns me about the information being released

mostly because

 a) I am sure the perp is reading these forums or is hearing what is said on them

b) The people that read this may go into the area and trample anything that may be of use to LE

c) The perp may panic and do something to LB to endanger her life (hate to say this, if she is still alive   ::MonkeyWaa::)

d)  If she is not still alive, the perp may move her body

I again apologize if I came across as harsh and anything but shocked

IMPO
~KONA~



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 09, 2009, 11:05:54 PM
Reposting this:

SEARCH VOLUNTEERS NEEDED

FRIDAY-SATURDAY – SUNDAY

SEPTEMBER 11-13, 2010

 

 

Searches will be starting back up this weekend for missing child Lindsey Baum.  We unfortunately do not have an actual center and will be working from Beerbower Park in downtown McCleary Washington but hopefully this will help urge a kind heart to offer up a space for future searches if we are unable to bring Lindsey home this weekend.

 

We are hoping that this does not deter you and that we will have an opportunity to see you at this weekends search.  Please make sure you do not bring pets or children under the age of 18 as we can not legally let them participate in any searches.

 

Searches will begin at 9:00 am and last search will be sent out at 4:00 pm.  Please come and help all day, part day or even a couple of hours.   ANY help will be appreciated.

 

Volunteers are asked to wear weather and search appropriate clothing.  There may be areas in thick brush as well as rough terrain so good shoes and long sleeves and pants are being suggested. 

 

There is also a need of volunteers inside the search center for varying tasks and errands.  Please check in at the search center or email questions to contact@findlindseybaum.com  or you can call 360-495-3400.

 

Donations of snacks, water, food for searchers, disposable cups, toilet paper are desperately needed.

 

Thank you to everyone who has supported our search for this precious missing child.

If you are unable to deliver supplies please let us know and we will make arrangement’s to pick up items.

 

Please ask friends, family, co-workers to join us in our search for Lindsey.

 Any type of off-road vehicles, quad, Horse’s, boats are welcome and needed.

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 09, 2009, 11:28:40 PM
I am sorry you felt the room was tense last night and I did apologize to Janet as well...

I was just shocked that he revealed the information and I probably came across as being directed at Janet.... sorry

You may be right as to why he decided to reveal it now but it still concerns me about the information being released

mostly because

 a) I am sure the perp is reading these forums or is hearing what is said on them

b) The people that read this may go into the area and trample anything that may be of use to LE

c) The perp may panic and do something to LB to endanger her life (hate to say this, if she is still alive   ::MonkeyWaa::)

d)  If she is not still alive, the perp may move her body

I again apologize if I came across as harsh and anything but shocked

IMPO
~KONA~



KONAMOCHA

Don't fret hon.

I would assume that LE/FBI have already checked out Harry Oakes' findings in regards to his canine searches.

Mr Oakes' send the FBI and the McCleary Police Department on July 2, 2009.

Janet

++++++

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 09, 2009, 11:42:34 PM
Thank you for setting my mind at ease Janet

Do you understand my questioning from last night a little better now ?

Hope you forgive me for being so abrupt  ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 02:51:10 AM
I am sorry you felt the room was tense last night and I did apologize to Janet as well...

I was just shocked that he revealed the information and I probably came across as being directed at Janet.... sorry

You may be right as to why he decided to reveal it now but it still concerns me about the information being released

mostly because

 a) I am sure the perp is reading these forums or is hearing what is said on them

b) The people that read this may go into the area and trample anything that may be of use to LE

c) The perp may panic and do something to LB to endanger her life (hate to say this, if she is still alive   ::MonkeyWaa::)

d)  If she is not still alive, the perp may move her body

I again apologize if I came across as harsh and anything but shocked

IMPO
~KONA~



KONAMOCHA

Don't fret hon.

I would assume that LE/FBI have already checked out Harry Oakes' findings in regards to his canine searches.

Mr Oakes' send the FBI and the McCleary Police Department on July 2, 2009.

Janet

++++++

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.

so what are these dates?  when was he first out there? anyone happen to know what kind of vehicle he was in and what he was wearing? 

he might have been turned into the police as being suspicious LOL  omg ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 02:55:03 AM
 ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyHaHa::

how tall is he and what does he weigh? where is his photo?





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:00:02 AM
Thanks for the reply.  Just hoped you would have a copy in your send file.

Where is my "send" file?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Snipped:
" My assignment is to email  her each one of MY posts EACH day" . . . "My part is to email her my posts and thoughts and ... she takes it from there. I am so thankful."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 10, 2009, 03:06:23 AM
Don't we need his place and dob now?

 ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:06:46 AM
seriously, I think someone might have saw harvey oakes there and told the police he was some susipicious guy in the bushes and told them about his vehicle being up the logging road.

if so, might be their beer bottles he found. 

I really want to know what kind of vehicle he has.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:11:12 AM
seriously, I think someone might have saw harvey oakes there and told the police he was some susipicious guy in the bushes and told them about his vehicle being up the logging road.

if so, might be their beer bottles he found. 

I really want to know what kind of vehicle he has.

assuredly folks knew he was there.  I'm assuming he's walking down the street with his dog.  That would be hard to miss.   Hopefully someone does know what make of vehicle he has.
o/t can't sleep, really concerned about my sister Connie.
Pray for a successful search this weekend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:15:46 AM
HO said the dead human alert was east of Beck and the winds were coming from the south.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:16:20 AM
well if they found stuff they could also be in the bushes looking around.

I am very serious here.  I honestly think someone saw him and his vehicle and turned him in to the police.  you would have to understand the whole story. If I could figure out what kind of a vehicle he drove I would know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:17:33 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:18:07 AM
oops, I was trying to bump the map.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:32:44 AM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummcmap20.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:34:24 AM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumhouse-topo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:34:37 AM
1/2 mile east of Beck, winds coming from the south.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:37:05 AM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumtopo1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:39:24 AM
snipped from business thread:  DD posted:

simpson Door company
400 W Simpson Ave
Mccleary, WA 98557-9600
xxxxxxxxx

McCleary's main industry and largest employer is Simpson Door Company - McCleary Operations - which produces stile and rail solid wood doors. The operation has 350 employees

350 employees, I would think they are not all from mccleary
what shifts do they work?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:40:36 AM
It looks like Beck Street dead ends, something like Maple Street.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 10, 2009, 03:47:52 AM
(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummommenseast1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 10, 2009, 05:22:45 AM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.
On WS or IS JenniferO posted that KaraK shared the dog search report with her and DD.I will have to find those posts and post them here when I get home from work.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2009, 10:54:04 AM
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:3Zof_cR4QI8J:www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html+Harry+Oakes&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

(http://www.k9sardog.com/images/HarryVal204.jpg)

(http://www.k9sardog.com/harryo6.jpg)
(http://www.k9sardog.com/harryo7.jpg)

Harry's flickr account (photos):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/searchdog/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:32:34 AM
KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:44:38 AM
Considering LE claims on June 28, 2009 and July 2, 2009 that the tracking dogs did not pick up Lindsey's scent ... who "originally" told Kara Kampen prior to July 4, 2009 (post date) that Lindsey's scent was detectected on 6th and Maple and ... then along Maple.

Whoever the person was ... apparently Harry Oakes confirmed it

Janet

+++++++

TRACKING DOGS - SHERIFF RICK SCOTT

KOMO News - June 28, 2009

A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


TRACKING DOGS - KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 11:58:15 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.       ::MonkeyEek::



.... or from Mommsen to Beck.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Janet

++++++++

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 12:11:17 PM
DD's map that reveals the route between Mommsen and Beck via 1st ....
 
KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #454 on: September 09, 2009, 10:03:08 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.440


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 12:19:29 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Just hoped you would have a copy in your send file.

Where is my "send" file?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Snipped:
" My assignment is to email  her each one of MY posts EACH day" . . . "My part is to email her my posts and thoughts and ... she takes it from there. I am so thankful."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Nothing to do with the Lindsey Baum case and ... everything to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 12:20:34 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 12:22:57 PM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.
On WS or IS JenniferO posted that KaraK shared the dog search report with her and DD.I will have to find those posts and post them here when I get home from work.

KaraR, no need to do that for me, I just didn't think I had seen it here.  I don't go to WS and I don't even know what IS means.  Thanks for clarifying that it was on another forum.  Was the thing about Beck Street out on these other forums before Janet posted it here?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 12:29:37 PM
Sister ... I am not Karma but ... I had never hear about the Beck Street search prior to Harry Oakes' response to my query regarding the 6th Street route.  Mr. Oakes  never acknowledge the 6th Street search in his response but ... out of the blue revealed the Beck Street search regarding the death scent.

Janet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 12:34:11 PM
Sister ... I am not Karma but ... I had never hear about the Beck Street search prior to Harry Oakes' response to my query regarding the 6th Street route.  Mr. Oakes  never acknowledge the 6th Street search in his response but ... out of the blue revealed the Beck Street search regarding the death scent.

Janet.


Janet, thanks, I didn't think I had read that here before.  We just need to send a lot of prayers up this weekend for the searchers.  How wonderful it would be if this would be the weekend they find her and bring her home!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 12:34:57 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.

Who are "they" and who told Kara about Lindsey's scent being detected on 6th Street and near Lingsey's home?  It was not LE/FBI ... those canine searches revealed nothing case related ...

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 12:40:01 PM
Sister ... I am not Karma but ... I had never hear about the Beck Street search prior to Harry Oakes' response to my query regarding the 6th Street route.  Mr. Oakes  never acknowledge the 6th Street search in his response but ... out of the blue revealed the Beck Street search regarding the death scent.

Janet.


Janet, thanks, I didn't think I had read that here before.  We just need to send a lot of prayers up this weekend for the searchers.  How wonderful it would be if this would be the weekend they find her and bring her home!

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 01:00:24 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.

When I consider the following post of DD as well as her personal contact with Kara Kampen ... I would assume that the 6th Street search is what Kara is referring to.

Janet

+++++

I am starting this thread to research who lives on 6th street in Mccleary.  Who are they connected to who might be sex offenders etc. 

Kara states early on the dogs were suppose to have hit on scent going up the hill on 6th.  Lindsey's mother has now suppose to be hiring another dog handler who states the dogs also alerted to scent about the same place. 

<snipped>



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 10, 2009, 03:42:39 PM
I am sorry you felt the room was tense last night and I did apologize to Janet as well...

I was just shocked that he revealed the information and I probably came across as being directed at Janet.... sorry

You may be right as to why he decided to reveal it now but it still concerns me about the information being released

mostly because

 a) I am sure the perp is reading these forums or is hearing what is said on them

b) The people that read this may go into the area and trample anything that may be of use to LE

c) The perp may panic and do something to LB to endanger her life (hate to say this, if she is still alive   ::MonkeyWaa::)

d)  If she is not still alive, the perp may move her body

I again apologize if I came across as harsh and anything but shocked

IMPO
~KONA~



Kona - no worries about my comment about the thread being tense.  It happens and sometimes I can't even put my finger directly on it!  That was just my feeling that night.
I have a question for you - you said above: " a) I am sure the perp is reading these forums or is hearing what is said on them"

So, my question is how do you know this?  Or am I taking you to literal?  Thanks, in advance.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 03:53:04 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.

Who are "they" and who told Kara about Lindsey's scent being detected on 6th Street and near Lingsey's home?  It was not LE/FBI ... those canine searches revealed nothing case related ...

Janet

Janet, the they that is being referred to is LE/FBI.  According to Kara, LE/FBI first said there was scent and then said there was nothing, at least that's they way I read it>
KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 04:14:10 PM
LOL .. you are taking me to literal

I meant, that these sickos IMO get off on seeing what is going on in the investigations.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 04:28:59 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.

Who are "they" and who told Kara about Lindsey's scent being detected on 6th Street and near Lingsey's home?  It was not LE/FBI ... those canine searches revealed nothing case related ...

Janet

Janet, the they that is being referred to is LE/FBI.  According to Kara, LE/FBI first said there was scent and then said there was nothing, at least that's they way I read it>
KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.


Sister ... you are right.

However ... Harry Oakes confirmed what LE/FBI said.  What in the the world is going on.  It is something akin to the futility of denying your belly botton.  Everytime you look down it is still there.

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 04:47:17 PM
Janet,
belly button, cute
:P

but I believe that's been the probem from the get go, why is there so much "mis-information"?I mean, unless what LE/FBI said was misunderstood, there is no possible way there was no scent of Lindsey in McCleary unless she was a figment of every one's imagination, and I know for sure she existed.  Also, I all know for sure she has disappeared and it is time to bring her home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
Janet,
belly button, cute
:P

but I believe that's been the probem from the get go, why is there so much "mis-information"?I mean, unless what LE/FBI said was misunderstood, there is no possible way there was no scent of Lindsey in McCleary unless she was a figment of every one's imagination, and I know for sure she existed.  Also, I all know for sure she has disappeared and it is time to bring her home.

I agree.  Why is the FBI/LE covering up?

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 10, 2009, 05:08:56 PM
I can only hope ... in the process of elimination ... that Harry Oakes findings in regards to the death scent on Beck was taken seriously by the LE/FBI prior to disregarding.

Sister and DD ... I know that it bothers both of you that that I do focus my speculation on Josh Baum and/or Melissa Baum as persons of interest in what happened to Lindsey as well as participants in a coverup.  Nothing in the media has ever indicated that at any time these two were interrogated as persons of interest.  Considering that Lindsey was minutes away from home went observed by the witnesses ... in the process of elimination ...

Maybe I watch too many Datelines and 48 Hours but ... in most missing person cases ... the family is the focus of the investigation until ruled out.

IMO the relationship between Beck and Mommsen along 1st imply that the latest revelation regarding the death scent  goes a long way in supporting my speculations.  IMO.

Janet


++++++


DD's map that reveals the route between Mommsen and Beck via 1st ....
 
KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #454 on: September 09, 2009, 10:03:08 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.440



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 10, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
LOL .. you are taking me to literal

I meant, that these sickos IMO get off on seeing what is going on in the investigations.



You are correct... Most Path personality disorders enjoy watching.
There are many PATH personalities all of them with some sort of anti social disorder..

The most obvious Path that does this is an arsonist who will light a fire and watch the fire trucks and ambulance for enjoyment.


Here is the profile of the arsonist in an advanced state.. which is far different then a child that starts a fire..

Pathological Fire setter:

Very few of these

Possibly have a high IQ but can have a history of sever emotional problems.

Have had academic and behavioral problems and often have difficulty establishing relationships

Have a history of medical and or neurological problems

Are likely to have been a victim of physical or sexual abuse.

Are a loner who has a life long fascination with fire.

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/arson.html

What LE would be looking for in this case is a Pah personality such as the monster that held Jaycee Dugard which all of us are going to get a chance to learn about..

In my humble opinion every convicted pedophile and every PIMP that police know about should be searched from every angle immediately..
ALL people associated with them should be looked at..
There homes and there cars and any place they go for privacy.
EVERY ONE OF THEM !
 It would be a huge undertaking and would have to be performed by all investigative agencies across our nation all at one time in cooperation with each other..

I wonder how many missing people they would find..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 10, 2009, 07:43:19 PM
Thanks for the reply.  Just hoped you would have a copy in your send file.

Where is my "send" file?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

Snipped:
" My assignment is to email  her each one of MY posts EACH day" . . . "My part is to email her my posts and thoughts and ... she takes it from there. I am so thankful."

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Nothing to do with the Lindsey Baum case and ... everything to do with the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet
::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 10, 2009, 07:44:38 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.
Sounds like it could be Beck ST.......pretty close to Lindseys home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 10, 2009, 07:46:35 PM
I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.
On WS or IS JenniferO posted that KaraK shared the dog search report with her and DD.I will have to find those posts and post them here when I get home from work.

KaraR, no need to do that for me, I just didn't think I had seen it here.  I don't go to WS and I don't even know what IS means.  Thanks for clarifying that it was on another forum.  Was the thing about Beck Street out on these other forums before Janet posted it here?
IS=InSessions forum.
I read a few different forums but am only a member here.I only read the Beck ST info here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 08:57:43 PM
I have a question ....

Why didnt MB have the Texas Equisearch join in the efforts to find LB ??

I know they offered their services for free just like HO did in the search. ::MonkeyEek::

I would think the more ppl to help the better it would be to find LB

 IMPO

~KONA~



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 10, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
Wonder if the was the 6th and Maple scent or this one, or both?
snipped:
I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well.
Sounds like it could be Beck ST.......pretty close to Lindseys home.
  ::MonkeyEek:: None of this is making sense at all, she was almost home, something is way off here.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 09:04:22 PM
I can only hope ... in the process of elimination ... that Harry Oakes findings in regards to the death scent on Beck was taken seriously by the LE/FBI prior to disregarding.

Sister and DD ... I know that it bothers both of you that that I do focus my speculation on Josh Baum and/or Melissa Baum as persons of interest in what happened to Lindsey as well as participants in a coverup.  Nothing in the media has ever indicated that at any time these two were interrogated as persons of interest.  Considering that Lindsey was minutes away from home went observed by the witnesses ... in the process of elimination ...

Maybe I watch too many Datelines and 48 Hours but ... in most missing person cases ... the family is the focus of the investigation until ruled out.

IMO the relationship between Beck and Mommsen along 1st imply that the latest revelation regarding the death scent  goes a long way in supporting my speculations.  IMO.

Janet

++++++

DD's map that reveals the route between Mommsen and Beck via 1st ....
 
KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #454 on: September 09, 2009, 10:03:08 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.440


Janet, why are calling me out about your theory of MelissaB and JoshB.  I know we disagree, so what it your point?  The reasons for the differences in opinion have been hashed over long ago.  I had hoped you and I had moved beyond that and had agreed to disagree on this issue, but for some reason you wish to bring it up to me again.  Pity.  That's fine that is your theory in your process of elimination and you can write it in every post about it for all I care and I can assure you, it doesn't bother me at all that that is your theory. I don't think it was necessary to call me out on this board in this manner.  I have read all of your posts, I have looked at all your quotes and snippets, so now what . . . you want to argue with me about it again?  I won't!! Go pick a fight with someone else!!  I don't have time for your foolishness! How very rude of you and very distracting of you when those of us you can not be there in person are focusing on sending good light and good energy.  Kindly don't bother to explain to me why you felt it necessary to speak directly to me about it.  I really no longer care.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 10, 2009, 09:05:32 PM
I have a question ....

Why didnt MB have the Texas Equisearch join in the efforts to find LB ??

I know they offered their services for free just like HO did in the search. ::MonkeyEek::

I would think the more ppl to help the better it would be to find LB

 IMPO

~KONA~


I have no idea why Texas Equusearch wasn't contacted or if they were contacted.
Does anyone know if Melissa contacted them?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 10, 2009, 09:42:28 PM
Sister - I don't think Janet was trying to start an argument at all, I think she was just talking and trying to be congenial.  I don't believe she meant any disrespect to either of you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 10:04:24 PM
Klaas, I respect your perspective.  However, I don't agree.  I have done my best to have a polite and informative conversation with her, more than once.  If this was only happening to me or dd on this case, I might agree.  Some time ago you stepped in and I respected that.  She went and started her own thread to discuss her theories and timelines, I thought that was admirable as I don't have to read it and don't.  But quite frankly I don't appreciate the finger pointing and her huge assumption that her theory bothers me, it doesn't.  When other monkeys who may not be aware of the conversations from the past read something like she posted, I think it shows disrespect in her effort to put me down in order to shore up her theory, particularly when she knows I will not debate it again.
Again, I respect you and all that you and the others accomplish here and on Blink.  I whoeheartedly disagree.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 10:28:00 PM
Texas Equisearch ..sorry if spelled wrong ...lol

Offered their services to MB and originally I was told that was who she was going to use to come help in the search

I would like to know why she did not bring them up here...

wouldn't you ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 10:34:11 PM
Texas Equisearch ..sorry if spelled wrong ...lol

Offered their services to MB and originally I was told that was who she was going to use to come help in the search

I would like to know why she did not bring them up here...

wouldn't you ?

Kona, other than their marvelous reputation, I don't know that much about them i.e. how you get them.  Maybe they need a command center to operate out of -- I really don't know, but it is a good question.  However, in light of so much mis-information circulating, do you know for sure they offered their services and when?  I recall reading recently, sorry I forgot which case, they were asked to help, but at that time did not have the funds.  After I read that, I have them on my donation list.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 10:38:47 PM
It was very shortly after LB went missing.... maybe a week

When Harry Oakes Jr. was mentioned for possibly helping is when I was told from the

aunt about the Texas Equisearch offering their services.

Sorry, I did not get the aunt's name but she was a really sweet older lady (50-60ish) that

came to help anyway she could to find LB... hope that age thing doesn't offend anyone

here   lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 10, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
It was very shortly after LB went missing.... maybe a week
When Harry Oakes Jr. was mentioned for possibly helping is when I was told from the
aunt about the Texas Equisearch offering their services.
Sorry, I did not get the aunt's name but she was a really sweet older lady (50-60ish) that
came to help anyway she could to find LB... hope that age thing doesn't offend anyone
here   lol

I focus on the sweet part
:flower:
would that be one of MB's sisters?  I know she has one, but she's not that oldish :>)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 11:06:04 PM
No, it was MB's aunt  lol

she was the one doing all the bake sales


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 11:07:24 PM
Can I ask a dumb question ?

How do you send pm's on here ?? ::MonkeyLaugh::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 10, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
PMs aren't allowed anymore, Kona.  If we need to get in touch with another monkey, we just send an email request to Klaas, who forwards that on to the other monkey, who then will get in touch by email.  She's busy, our Klaas is.   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 10, 2009, 11:36:17 PM
oh ok thank you

I was just reading my profile and it said pm... couldn't see how to do it ... now I know why ....lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 11, 2009, 01:17:14 AM
It was very shortly after LB went missing.... maybe a week

When Harry Oakes Jr. was mentioned for possibly helping is when I was told from the

aunt about the Texas Equisearch offering their services.

Sorry, I did not get the aunt's name but she was a really sweet older lady (50-60ish) that

came to help anyway she could to find LB... hope that age thing doesn't offend anyone

here   lol

I heard on another case that Texas Equisearch was short on resources. I do not know if this is still the case. What a wonderful person Tim is! On the other hand, I hate to say it, but I have not seen MB doing a whole lot of anything and it has driven me crazy since the very beginning!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 11, 2009, 01:21:00 AM
LOL .. you are taking me to literal

I meant, that these sickos IMO get off on seeing what is going on in the investigations.



You are correct... Most Path personality disorders enjoy watching.
There are many PATH personalities all of them with some sort of anti social disorder..

The most obvious Path that does this is an arsonist who will light a fire and watch the fire trucks and ambulance for enjoyment.


Here is the profile of the arsonist in an advanced state.. which is far different then a child that starts a fire..

Pathological Fire setter:

Very few of these

Possibly have a high IQ but can have a history of sever emotional problems.

Have had academic and behavioral problems and often have difficulty establishing relationships

Have a history of medical and or neurological problems

Are likely to have been a victim of physical or sexual abuse.

Are a loner who has a life long fascination with fire.

http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/cjrp/arson.html

What LE would be looking for in this case is a Pah personality such as the monster that held Jaycee Dugard which all of us are going to get a chance to learn about..

In my humble opinion every convicted pedophile and every PIMP that police know about should be searched from every angle immediately..
ALL people associated with them should be looked at..
There homes and there cars and any place they go for privacy.
EVERY ONE OF THEM !
 It would be a huge undertaking and would have to be performed by all investigative agencies across our nation all at one time in cooperation with each other..

I wonder how many missing people they would find..

Hi Edward,
I cannot send you a pm so I am just going to ask you right here. You seem to know way more about SO's then I do. Is it possible for an SO to abduct kids and then go years without doing it again? I do not know how long you have been following cases but I am currently reading a book about TB. He was a person of interest in many missing girls cases in Northern California in the late 80's. Do you know who I am referring to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 11, 2009, 01:38:23 AM
I do not know if a sociopath has an on/off switch.. Although they do appear to be able to control themselves in public.
I am sorry it is late, who was TB?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 11, 2009, 02:49:05 AM
I do not know if a sociopath has an on/off switch.. Although they do appear to be able to control themselves in public.
I am sorry it is late, who was TB?


Timothy Bindner and the book is "Stalemate". He was a suspect in several missing girls cases but he was never convicted, in fact he successfully sued LE and won. He is an extremely interesting character. You can google his name and he is all over the place. The book is a must read for anyone who follows missing childrens cases.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 11, 2009, 09:31:36 AM
I do not know if a sociopath has an on/off switch.. Although they do appear to be able to control themselves in public.
I am sorry it is late, who was TB?


In my experience, it is possible, but not probable.  In many cases, if not in most, there is clear evidence of escalation.  What I mean by that is, as the impulse to offend against a child increases, the "risk" the offender is willing to take to satisfy that impulse increases as well.  Abductions for the purpose of committing a sexual offense is evidence of escalation.  Once that threshold is crossed, and the perp gets away with it, the crime will continue to escalate.  In other words, there is still room to escalate.  The offenses may get more violent (incidentally, recent studies suggest that offenses against children are getting increasingly more violent) or may occur more often.  They may involve more or different children.  The offense may result in murdering the child.  Just as a heroin addict needs a fix, the typical sex offender needs a fix.

I agree with Edward that SOME can control themselves in public.  But that's not the general rule.  Offending "in public" is evidence of escalation.  Think about how many children are molested at amusement parks every year.  We've read about them and have covered them here.  Disney reported them just this year, I believe.  In one case close to me, a pedo was riding on the swings.  When the ride started, he pulled a little girl close to him and, while they were up in the air, he molested her!  How in the world did he think he was going to get away with that?  But nonetheless, he did it.  In many abduction cases, the offense occurs in public.  Based on what we know in this case, Lindsey was abducted in public.  Nevaeh Buchanan was abducted in public.  Samantha Runnion was abducted in public.  Tori Stafford was abducted in public.  Again, it's escalation--how much risk is the perp willing to take.

As a good example of this, think about how many child sex offenders you've read about that have been busted in sting operations.  That is, soliciting young girls for sexual activity in chat rooms.  The risk of getting caught is exponentially high.  These guys even ask "Are you the cops?"  The "Decoy" says, "No."  And they believe the decoy.  And these sickos take the chance to get their fix.

So, in short, once the impulse escalates to an abduction, it is not likely that perp will "regress."  Rather, it is more likely that the perp will escalate and offend again and again and again.





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
Texas Equisearch ..sorry if spelled wrong ...lol

Offered their services to MB and originally I was told that was who she was going to use to come help in the search

I would like to know why she did not bring them up here...

wouldn't you ?
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on September 11, 2009, 11:20:48 AM
I do not know if a sociopath has an on/off switch.. Although they do appear to be able to control themselves in public.
I am sorry it is late, who was TB?


In my experience, it is possible, but not probable.  In many cases, if not in most, there is clear evidence of escalation.  What I mean by that is, as the impulse to offend against a child increases, the "risk" the offender is willing to take to satisfy that impulse increases as well.  Abductions for the purpose of committing a sexual offense is evidence of escalation.  Once that threshold is crossed, and the perp gets away with it, the crime will continue to escalate.  In other words, there is still room to escalate.  The offenses may get more violent (incidentally, recent studies suggest that offenses against children are getting increasingly more violent) or may occur more often.  They may involve more or different children.  The offense may result in murdering the child.  Just as a heroin addict needs a fix, the typical sex offender needs a fix.

I agree with Edward that SOME can control themselves in public.  But that's not the general rule.  Offending "in public" is evidence of escalation.  Think about how many children are molested at amusement parks every year.  We've read about them and have covered them here.  Disney reported them just this year, I believe.  In one case close to me, a pedo was riding on the swings.  When the ride started, he pulled a little girl close to him and, while they were up in the air, he molested her!  How in the world did he think he was going to get away with that?  But nonetheless, he did it.  In many abduction cases, the offense occurs in public.  Based on what we know in this case, Lindsey was abducted in public.  Nevaeh Buchanan was abducted in public.  Samantha Runnion was abducted in public.  Tori Stafford was abducted in public.  Again, it's escalation--how much risk is the perp willing to take.

As a good example of this, think about how many child sex offenders you've read about that have been busted in sting operations.  That is, soliciting young girls for sexual activity in chat rooms.  The risk of getting caught is exponentially high.  These guys even ask "Are you the cops?"  The "Decoy" says, "No."  And they believe the decoy.  And these sickos take the chance to get their fix.

So, in short, once the impulse escalates to an abduction, it is not likely that perp will "regress."  Rather, it is more likely that the perp will escalate and offend again and again and again.

Edward and JessStar,
Just wanted to thank you both for helping me "get my learn on" lol!!
I always look forward to your insightful thoughts and informative explanations.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 11, 2009, 12:50:59 PM
Texas Equisearch ..sorry if spelled wrong ...lol

Offered their services to MB and originally I was told that was who she was going to use to come help in the search

I would like to know why she did not bring them up here...

wouldn't you ?

Kona, other than their marvelous reputation, I don't know that much about them i.e. how you get them.  Maybe they need a command center to operate out of -- I really don't know, but it is a good question.  However, in light of so much mis-information circulating, do you know for sure they offered their services and when?  I recall reading recently, sorry I forgot which case, they were asked to help, but at that time did not have the funds.  After I read that, I have them on my donation list.

I do have a question about the Texas Equisearch. Would that be something that MB would have to organize, or is it something that the local law enforcement would have to get in touch with? I'm not exactly sure what they do, but when I was reading about Equisearch helping get some new information on the disappearance of Hailey Cummings, they were questioning people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 11, 2009, 12:57:40 PM
Either MB or LE can request their services....

MB has to call them personally to request their help


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 11, 2009, 01:17:16 PM
 ::MonkeyConfused::

I wonder why not?

http://texasequusearch.org/

That's if someone she knows is reading the forums, and maybe MB doesn't have the phone number, please forward it to her.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: DMCLEAN42 on September 11, 2009, 02:12:32 PM
Sister.... I have to agree with you.  I feel that tamikosmom is in the wrong.  This is my first time ever commenting on this site.  But for the record, Melissa Baum took a polygraph and PASSED if anybody remembers!  this is why she isn't a suspect!  My goodness!  I live in Washington but not in Mccleary and don't know anybody involved directly, but come on.  People are missing the point.  The point is not to point fingers at the family, it is to find Lindsey alive and bring her home.  Look at the Jaycee Duggard case.  He step dad was blamed by outsiders all along and he was innocent.  She was alive just minutes from her home.  So nobody should give up hope, just remember what is important.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on September 11, 2009, 03:53:40 PM
Welcome to the board DMCLEAN42 !  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: DMCLEAN42 on September 11, 2009, 03:58:15 PM
Why Thank You! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 11, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
In the defense, even though MB took the polygraph and passed, she will still be a suspect. Even if she is innocent, and it's just because Lindsey is still missing. #1 though, finding Lindsey, wherever she is!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 11, 2009, 04:52:44 PM
I still cannot help but wonder if there is any possibilty that LB and Nancy Moyer are connected. Neither have been found and Nancy is so tiny and petite she could have been mistaken for a child from a distance. Where are you Lindsey?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 05:08:30 PM
I still cannot help but wonder if there is any possibilty that LB and Nancy Moyer are connected. Neither have been found and Nancy is so tiny and petite she could have been mistaken for a child from a distance. Where are you Lindsey?
Could very well be, at this point in time I just don't know what to think about this case anymore. I go from thinking one thing to another, but one thing that stays constant is I believe Lindsey knew the person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 05:53:57 PM
MELISSA BAUM

What if Marilyn LaChester is telling the truth in regards to physical abuse by both Melissa and Josh towards Lindsey ... physical abuse that involved reports being filed with the McCleary Police Department and CPS ... filed and not acted upon.

No backup to the contrary regarding the Police and CPS reports has been revealed in any of the Lindsey Baum Threads.

Without backup to the contrary ... without backup that Marilyn LaChester is the grandmother of all liars and ... most of all ... out of love for Lindsey ... I cannot let this go.

If I have missed something ... link please.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++++


MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

p://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 05:59:04 PM
Janet I know you are having trouble letting that go, and to be honest I'm having trouble with all that as well. I just don't know what to think anymore  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Lindsey was so close to her home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
LINDSEY BAUM - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
TWILIGHT FREAK is happy that her brother is going to juvi tomorrow.Mood: happ at 14:10 17 Jun view more

Lindsey Baum is happy that her brother is going to juvie tomorrow.
Mood: Happ at 14:10 17 June

http://www.myspace.com/477760045


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:12:52 PM
MELISSA BAUM

What if Marilyn LaChester is telling the truth in regards to physical abuse by both Melissa and Josh towards Lindsey ... physical abuse that involved reports being filed with the McCleary Police Department and CPS ... filed and not acted upon.

No backup to the contrary regarding the Police and CPS reports has been revealed in any of the Lindsey Baum Threads.

Without backup to the contrary ... without backup that Marilyn LaChester is the grandmother of all liars and ... most of all ... out of love for Lindsey ... I cannot let this go.

If I have missed something ... link please.

Thank you.

Janet

++++++++


MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

p://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


you only have "pieces" of this whole story.  I on the other hand followed through with all of this to get to the bottom of it so my opinion is totally different from yours.  Turns out the person you are quoting above a Marilyn's friend, has since asked marilyn all about the reports, and Marilyn admitted she did not have any reports and she does not know if one was ever filed.  She also went on to say that she thought marilyn made it all up because LE was investigating Marilyn pretty hard and it made marilyn mad at MB.  She was already mad at MB and JB, but she was really mad after LE questioned her a lot about Lindsey's disappearance.  The friend went on to tell me she though that is why Marilyn got on the net and started saying these things. 

The friend went on to tell me that marilyn totally overreacts to anything, and has insisted before that mothers were abusing their children when they were not. 

so after much correspondence with the person you are quoting to prove the abuse of LB by the hands of her mother, has went on to admit to me after talking more to Marilyn about all of this, that marilyn was mad and this is why she is saying it and she does not believe it to be true.

I have tried to stay out of this discussion because it is just better I do... but if you are going to quote someone you need to know the rest of the story. So this is why I am posting about it.  I have this all in emails, but I am not going to post them, as it would take me forever to sort through them all and try to find the exact quotes.

I honestly do not mind that someone suspects any one including mb, etc, but to quote something that I followed up on extensively and others do not know that is giving people the wrong idea about what really happened, so I am trying to clear that up.  Other than that I really feel I should not discuss this because it always turns into something I don't mean it to be.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
Thanks DD  ::MonkeyCool:: This is all so frustrating.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:20:13 PM
when I asked if marilyn had the reports so I could read them ( there is more I will find it)


reply
"i don't know what all she's said online though, as far as having them etc.  even if they made a report i doubt she would have had them, ya know.  you have to actually go down there and put in a request, then wait a few days, and i don't think they would give it to her anyway although not sure about that, so she probably did lie about having a report, and i think she might be one to exaggerate, but i tend to think she did call the cops on these people on behalf of lindsey in the past because the feds were all over marilyn right away, i know that for a fact through her mom.  but yeah i don't know how reliable marilyn is and i agree that there is no way that young boy could hold up under that kind of pressure, i've always thought that was ridiculous, that if he did it he would have broke down pretty darn quick, regardless of if his mom helped him or not"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 06:20:16 PM
Unlike Marilyn LaChester ... the following commentor did not identify herself but ... MAMAHEAD's words do concur with Marilyn LaChester assertions regarding Josh.

I cannot comprehend why anybody would be so vicious as to post such claims against Lindsey's brother if there was not a foundation   I could be wrong but justice for Lindsey Baum implies her brother cannot be disregarded as a suspect.

Janet

+++++

MAMAHEAD - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?
 
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:21:52 PM

more from the person you are quoting.

when asked what about what she posted

 "i wouldn't go by that, but she could be exaggerating or something.  we were watching the news at the baby shower the other day and a story came on about that mom dragging her kid through the store by his leash, well i didn't think it was any big deal really, lol, but she thought the chick should go to jail and be dragged by the neck, etc. etc.  she kept saying that leash is around his neck, while the newscaster clearly said it was a harness, so what i'm saying is it's all a matter of perception."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:23:29 PM
when asked about the welps ( same person you are quoting)

"what the deal is here as far as welts, spankings.  honestly i don't know what to think, like everything else with this case it's kind of murky.  i suppose it's possible that she could be striking back at melissa baum and co. defensively, having been accused of kidnapping, turning the tables, but even so why would she have been under suspicion to begin with.  she's pretty much told the same story all along, but here's another thing to consider, most of what she's saying is kind of hearsay anyway, i've never heard her say that she witnessed any of these events"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:31:49 PM
another example, marilyn had said lindsey told her about the white car, so when I asked about that I got this answer


she's also
> curious about the white car, she says she was already moved when that report
> was made involving lindsey so she doesn't know too much else about it,

______________

as you can see marilyn lachester makes stuff up, but when you have someone go back and get to the bottom of it, then it is not true what she said, it is something she heard about or something and has not knowledge of, never saw it, etc.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
Thanks DD, so in other words, Marilyn is saying this stuff to get back at Melissa. I don't think she is mentally stable.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:43:21 PM
Marilyn Lachester was investigated for the disappearance of Lindsey, according to her friend (the person you keep quoting) and after MANY questions I finally got to the bottom of this mess.  What it turns out to be is marilyn never witnessed anything, never saw anything, Lindsey never told her about a white car, marilyn has no reports, marilyn is known to exaggerate and be a loud mouth, marily was mad at mb because she (marilyn) was being investigated

it's all a bunch of crap as is so many other things in this case.  if you get to listening to everyone behind the scenes in this case (which believe me I have so many people ringing in my ear about each other) you soon learn that they are all infighting and pointing fingers at each other and when they get mad, out comes the lies and all the dirty laundry and blah blah blah.  It's ridiculous to use this case to fight and tell lies on each other but there is so much of it going on it is crazy....

now if someone wants to believe MB is responsible for lindsey's disappearance that is fine with me, but using marilyn lachester to try to prove it is ridiculous "IF" you have the whole story "WHY" she is doing it.  It's all bs infighting.  Just is all the other BS people keep saying. 

and while I am at it let me clear up a few other things people are "gossiping about" concerning MB.  people are gossiping that she spent money on a new computer and a new bike for josh and a ps2 for josh etc... the truth is, the guy who wrote the song for LB, gave MB a computer for Lindsey for when lindsey returns and told MB to use it so she could get on the net.  MB is using her old keyboard etc she had a year ago... Josh's dad bought him the bike and ps2.  MB is not using any of the money for these things, yet, people are "gossiping" about it all over the place... even at the search... how wonderful is that. 

there is a lot going on, but it is all crap that people are saying and they have no idea what the truth is about it, and they don't even bother asking or they would know.  when I hear gossip I contact the person and straight up ask them... hey what's up with this crap... the only way to get to the truth is to start asking the person who said it and the person who they are saying it about... and that is what I try to do. 

sometimes you can't figure out who is lying and who is not.  but usually the person will finally admit they really don't know they just "thought maybe" or there is a reason why the person lied.. .usually they are mad at the other person and just make it all up.  They don't expect someone like me to go ask the person flat out... but I do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 06:47:27 PM
Something happened to Lindsey Baum somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home.  Did Josh go home as instructed following the argument between him and Lindsey?  Was he at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen residence?  If the answer is "YES" ... then I will focus on another person of interest.

Janet

++++++


THE ARGUMENT

ABC NEWS - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html




 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:52:08 PM
Something happened to Lindsey Baum somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home.  Did Josh go home as instructed following the argument between him and Lindsey?  Was he at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen residence?  If the answer is "YES" ... then I will focus on another person of interest.

Janet

++++++


THE ARGUMENT

ABC NEWS - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html




 



and I will clear this up also....

the answer is YES, JOSH WAS HOME WHEN LINDSEY WENT MISSING.  I asked, and that is the answer I got.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 06:53:18 PM
There is no credible backup that implies that Marilyn LaChester is unstable ... is a liar.  Is it not possible that Lindsey Baum had an advocate ... an advocate that only cared about her well-being?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 06:53:27 PM
Thanks DD, so Josh was home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 06:54:48 PM
and before this gossip even gets started when melissa goes to get her nails done...

she was given a gift certificate from someone who said she needed to go have something done for herself...

but you know how people are, someone will see her there and start rumors she is spending money on her nails...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 06:55:16 PM
Something happened to Lindsey Baum somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home.  Did Josh go home as instructed following the argument between him and Lindsey?  Was he at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen residence?  If the answer is "YES" ... then I will focus on another person of interest.

Janet

++++++


THE ARGUMENT

ABC NEWS - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html




 



and I will clear this up also....

the answer is YES, JOSH WAS HOME WHEN LINDSEY WENT MISSING.  I asked, and that is the answer I got.

DD ... why was this not revealed before?  Who provided you with this information?  Melissa?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
There is no credible backup that implies that Marilyn LaChester is unstable ... is a liar.  Is it not possible that Lindsey Baum had an advocate ... an advocate that only cared about her well-being?

Janet
 

she says one thing on the net and something else to her friends.  she is lying.  It can't be both ways.  the very person you are quoting to prove your point is the very person who says she is making it up because she is mad. 

I really don't understand how you really believe what you do.  but you can believe it, however, I am sure I know better, and would hope anyone reading what I am posting can see it is all lies and crap.

even her friends say she lies, call her crazy marilyn, say she is a liar. 

what more do you want omg   she has welcomed anyone to contact her through her myspace.  go ask her for the report she said she had.  you would think she would be more than happy to give you a copy to post for all the world to see if she had one.  she does not have one, she lied.  she keeps lying.  I have over 100 emails with things I follow up on about all of these things.  she will talk with you on her myspace, go ask her for crying out loud.  LOL

lindsey never told her about any white car... she made that up too.  I know exactly where the white car stories orginated.  when pinned down about that marilyn says she heard about a white it but doesn't know anything.

her mom's best friend is saying she is lying.  Others don't tell her anything because she twists is all around and blabs it all over.  she is NOT CREDIBLE whatsoever.

however, I am done.  I posted it for you, I have a lot more but it is pointless LOL 

I just feel horrible that MB has to have this crap going on, on top of losing her daughter.  It's bad enough having your daughter missing, but then you have people saying she is responsible because someone who hates her lies, the very someone who was the focus of the investigation right off.  Who got mad.  If ML truly thought MB had anything to do with this do you think she would have shut up and went away?  heck no, marilyn is the kind of person who would still be screaming it from the rooftops, but she quit because it is not true and she knows it and so does anyone there who matters.

The police know she is lying... they were investigater HER, NOT MB.

MB was cleared... ML was being looked at. 

see how this turned out to be a huge fight and someone MAD who got on the net and lied

well, anyway.  I have my info and you have ?  I am not sure what?  some lying posts from ML who quickly shut up and went away. 

so I don't know. but I tried to clear this up... people can believe whatever they like.  guess my efforts mean I am just wasting my time LOL   


   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 07:15:42 PM
Something happened to Lindsey Baum somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home.  Did Josh go home as instructed following the argument between him and Lindsey?  Was he at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen residence?  If the answer is "YES" ... then I will focus on another person of interest.

Janet

++++++


THE ARGUMENT

ABC NEWS - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html




 



and I will clear this up also....

the answer is YES, JOSH WAS HOME WHEN LINDSEY WENT MISSING.  I asked, and that is the answer I got.

DD ... why was this not revealed before?  Who provided you with this information?  Melissa?

Janet

well in the beginning I did not know the answer to this question and by the time I found out, I was not here, and I avoid getting into this back and forth nonsense as much as I can.  but I am telling you now, so there it is.  you can believe it or not, I don't care, but I am telling it as truth, so I guess next I am lying ?  LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:23:14 PM
Something happened to Lindsey Baum somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home.  Did Josh go home as instructed following the argument between him and Lindsey?  Was he at home with Mom when Lindsey left the Kampen residence?  If the answer is "YES" ... then I will focus on another person of interest.

Janet

++++++


THE ARGUMENT

ABC NEWS - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Kara Kampen:  As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple.  … They were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


The Daily World - July 3, 2009

Kampen said she has replayed that Friday evening in her head over and over. So has her daughter, Michaela, 10, who spent the day swimming with Lindsey. They walked together with Josh Baum, 13, to the Kampen house. But halfway there, Michaela said they teased Josh, getting under his skin ...

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


Kara Kampen:  Josh had gotten into so many spats that honestly were in a large part things he did not start but because he was the oldest he was the one who got in trouble. I've set down kids I've never met before to have a talk with them because I heard that they were antagonizing him to see if he'd blow up.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg871164;topicseen#msg871164


NOT A STRANGER ABDUCTION

Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html




 



and I will clear this up also....

the answer is YES, JOSH WAS HOME WHEN LINDSEY WENT MISSING.  I asked, and that is the answer I got.

DD ... why was this not revealed before?  Who provided you with this information?  Melissa?

Janet

well in the beginning I did not know the answer to this question and by the time I found out, I was not here, and I avoid getting into this back and forth nonsense as much as I can.  but I am telling you now, so there it is.  you can believe it or not, I don't care, but I am telling it as truth, so I guess next I am lying  ?  LOL

I do not think for one minute that you are lying.  However ... what is the big deal about sharing the source of this info with the forum so each can determine for herself whether the source is credible.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 07:28:16 PM
who in the world sits and shares all their sources?  do you realize how many sources I have and many do not want anyone to know they are talking to anyone.  How many sources would you have if everytime someone told you something you run to a forum and post their name and what they said. 

There is a reason why people talk to me.

it is this way "I" am the one saying it. I am the one who believes it is true, so people can believe I did my homework on this and I asked and I believe it...

and this is one of the very reasons why I don't tell everything, every time I do give info I get the 3rd degree etc, or told I am making it up or whatever. 

if the police say it do you call them up and ask the name of their source.  heck maybe they would tell you if josh was home or not if you would ask them. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 11, 2009, 07:28:59 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:31:40 PM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 11, 2009, 07:33:58 PM
Sister.... I have to agree with you.  I feel that tamikosmom is in the wrong.  This is my first time ever commenting on this site.  But for the record, Melissa Baum took a polygraph and PASSED if anybody remembers!  this is why she isn't a suspect!  My goodness!  I live in Washington but not in Mccleary and don't know anybody involved directly, but come on.  People are missing the point.  The point is not to point fingers at the family, it is to find Lindsey alive and bring her home.  Look at the Jaycee Duggard case.  He step dad was blamed by outsiders all along and he was innocent.  She was alive just minutes from her home.  So nobody should give up hope, just remember what is important.

Welcome DMCLEAN42!

As I'm sure you are aware, this is a forum where each individual is free to express their opinions.  Just because Tamikosmom has a different opinion does not mean she is in the wrong. 

Every person has their right to feel the way they feel...and never are they in the wrong for feeling that way.

I am glad you are here and look forward to hearing your thoughts on this case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 11, 2009, 07:42:30 PM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet



Janet,

FWIW, you are making complete sense to me....and I am not siding with anyone on any of this.  However, I think this is a huge part of this case.  Whether Josh was home or not, to me, means alot.

I also understand where sometimes you just dont feel comfortable revealing your source for info.  But with that said, I still would like to know who said that and decide for myself if that source is credible. 

Personally I do not take anything Marilyn says seriously...and that is just my own opinion.

I also trust DD's judgement most of the time but I still would like to come to my own conclusion as to who/what to believe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:42:35 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.

DD ... now bowing down to your every word without question does not make me or anybody on this forum insane.

You are so disrespectful.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:43:44 PM
SELF EDIT

now s/b not


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 07:46:23 PM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet



Janet,

FWIW, you are making complete sense to me....and I am not siding with anyone on any of this.  However, I think this is a huge part of this case.  Whether Josh was home or not, to me, means alot.

I also understand where sometimes you just dont feel comfortable revealing your source for info.  But with that said, I still would like to know who said that and decide for myself if that source is credible. 

Personally I do not take anything Marilyn says seriously...and that is just my own opinion.

I also trust DD's judgement most of the time but I still would like to come to my own conclusion as to who/what to believe.

Thank you Leroy.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 11, 2009, 07:58:54 PM
DD - I think the issue here is that you have info that you are unable or unwilling to reveal. 
That is fine and I respect that you choose to do that because at the end of the day you are here for one reason only - the missing person that so deseperatly needs to be found - and I admire you for that  ::MonkeyAngel:: 

It just makes it hard for those of us that dont have this inside info/source to always take what you say as 100% fact. 

Trust me, I would never doubt for a second that you have not put your heart and soul into finding Lindsey.  But others sometimes have to also *see it to believe it* if you know what I mean.

Anyways, lets just keep on keeping on and bring Lindsey home!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 08:02:16 PM
can we please stop all this fighting? everyone is free to have and express their own opinion.

tamiko's mom-i totally understand your point of view and it is really important to know whether or not josh was home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 08:13:33 PM
DD and Janet,

I'm not gonna take sides in this, cuz I like and respect each of you!  You both have contributed greatly to these cases, each in your own way.  Perhaps this is a clash, and I know the two of you can handle it without hurting each other's feelings. 

I've worked on a high profile case before, as the go-between in a forum and an undisclosed source, who privately contacted me and the forum mod.  Undisclosed for the personal safety of that source, who still today remains undisclosed, as the case is hopefully nearing an end.  Wayyyyyy too near the perp (family-wise) to be able to post online who said this, who said that, etc.  The only way I could deal with the received info was to state it was "from our source", and the members in the forum had to accept that or not.  But at least knowing the info came from our source, gave them the choice of believing, or not, and that was important, that they had that choice. 

So when info is shared in this forum, it's good to know where that info came from, even if one can only say 'an undisclosed source', or some such.  To put the info out there, even in quotes from an email etc, without saying where it came from, gives us little in knowing whether to believe the info or not. 

DD.... Personally, because I've worked with you a little on another case, I do believe you to be sincere in what you post, with or without a source.   Perhaps others in here don't know you as well, and are unsure, opting instead to know the source so they can make up their minds as per the info, etc.  Please remember, it's not the poster being questioned, it's the info posted.  There's a huge difference!

Just saying.... no one in here is calling anyone else who provides info without a source a "liar".  Seems they are just asking for the source, same as is done for any info brought in.   

For example, it would be helpful to know 'who' told you, DD, that Josh was at home at the time that Lindsey went missing.  I realize that you have tons of info coming at you privately, with a number of different sources.  Not asking who every one of those sources are!  Just asking the source of whatever info that you do provide to us. 

Again, DD and Janet... I admire and respect each of you... And I appreciate what each of you bring to our forum, and hope you each will, in your own ways, continue to contribute.  I think this can be worked thru, especially if it's remembered to react/respond to the info posted, not to the poster themself.  Ya know? 

 ::MonkeyKiss::  Monkey hugs!!!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 08:20:39 PM
Good to see ya Leroy!!  Finished growing into those ears yet?   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I now have a grand-fur-baby!  10 wk old Husky, pure white, one blue eye.  He's sooooo sweet! 
And his ears point straight up too.  Kinda wonder how long it will take him to grow into them.  lol




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
Welcome to all our new monkeys!   ::MonkeyCheer3::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 11, 2009, 08:27:23 PM
Good to see ya Leroy!!  Finished growing into those ears yet?   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I now have a grand-fur-baby!  10 wk old Husky, pure white, one blue eye.  He's sooooo sweet! 
And his ears point straight up too.  Kinda wonder how long it will take him to grow into them.  lol




Hi Wyks - good to see you too!  Leroy just turned a year and still hasnt grown into his ears...lol.  Maybe someday.  I would love a pure white husky - how adorable...please post pics in the fur baby thread sometime - I would love to see him!!

By the way, great post and I couldn't have said it better.  I like DD's style of researching and also Janets.  I've been reading Janets posts in the NH thread for quite some time.

As you said, its the post not the poster necessarily.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 08:43:54 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 08:50:23 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?

I am not sure sunshine.

I just find the timing and the location of the death scent detected by Harry Oakes' dog/s very suspicious.

I just hope LE/FBI took Mr. Oakes' findings seriously and checked it out.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 11, 2009, 08:55:00 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?

I am not sure sunshine.

I just find the timing and the location of the death scent detected by Harry Oakes' dog/s very suspicious.

I just hope LE/FBI took Mr. Oakes' findings seriously and checked it out.

Janet


I sure hope so also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
Good to see ya Leroy!!  Finished growing into those ears yet?   ::MonkeyWink:: 

I now have a grand-fur-baby!  10 wk old Husky, pure white, one blue eye.  He's sooooo sweet! 
And his ears point straight up too.  Kinda wonder how long it will take him to grow into them.  lol




Hi Wyks - good to see you too!  Leroy just turned a year and still hasnt grown into his ears...lol.  Maybe someday.  I would love a pure white husky - how adorable...please post pics in the fur baby thread sometime - I would love to see him!!

By the way, great post and I couldn't have said it better.  I like DD's style of researching and also Janets.  I've been reading Janets posts in the NH thread for quite some time.

As you said, its the post not the poster necessarily.

Thanks! 

Well Leroy is turning into such a handsome boy!  I remember when he was a bitty thing.  lol I'll post pics of the pup when my son can wrest himself away long enough to take pics.  He's gone completely gaga over that pup.  lol 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 09:18:07 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?

From what I understand about cadaver dogs, researchers have been studying this very thing.  Am not sure if they've come up with any results yet, haven't heard if they have. 
Sometime back, in another missing person's case, a similiar question to yours was asked of Maria Claxton, of the South Carolina Search and Rescue Dog Association.  Here's what she said:

"Cadaver dogs can find the remains of people who have been dead for years or even decades. But it's much harder for the dogs if the bulk of the remains are gone. In that case, they can pick up the scent from small amounts of body tissue, like a blood stain or nail clippings, or even from materials that came into contact with the tissue. But in the absence of an actual body, the smell of death will dissipate."

"Researchers are trying to determine how long the scent lingers when the body is no longer present, but there are no conclusive results yet—it may be two weeks, or it may be longer."



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: DMCLEAN42 on September 11, 2009, 09:22:18 PM
Wow... This is a confusing case. Poor Melissa Baum. And Who the hell is Melissa McCann? To me she makes Melissa Baum sound guilty as hell.  If i was a parent I would be all over the news, doing interviews with nancy grace, heading up searches, searching MYSELF, posting flyers, organizing as many Vigils as i could.  I wouldnt stop.  The police department would be tired of me calling.  Is Meliisa doing everything she can?  I am not pointing fingers.  I never questioned her in my mind at ALL unitl i read what Melissa Mccann wrote on a different page.  If i were law enforcement, and read that stuff, I would find Miss Mccan and question her whereabouts. hmmm...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 09:33:24 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?

I am not sure sunshine.

I just find the timing and the location of the death scent detected by Harry Oakes' dog/s very suspicious.

I just hope LE/FBI took Mr. Oakes' findings seriously and checked it out.

Janet



What seems odd to me, is that it seems LE has not publically made any mention of what Mr Oakes dogs found.  LE has mentioned 'their dogs' did not pick any scent, isn't that right?  I just find it real hard to believe that LE's dogs didn't even pick up the scent of Lindsey walking to her friends house, let alone away from it.  Then I have to think, maybe they did, and they don't want the public to know?  And if so, why not?   

::MonkeyConfused::

My mind is spinning on the differing reports of the dogs.  They didn't.  They did.  Up this street, down that one. 

Sooooooo confusing when we read reports such as Mr Oakes, where his dogs DID pick up a scent.  Why wouldn't LE just say that then?   Is it a slap to their own egos, that other dogs picked up the scent when their own didn't?  If that's the case, LE needs to get over it already!!

IMO, if Lindsey's scent was picked up, by any of the dogs no matter who they belong to, that area NEEDS to be gone over and gone over again by LE.  All egos aside.  One 'would think' that surelyyyyyy LE would have done that.  And yet.... sigh.  Tragically, what one would expect doesn't always get done by some LE, for whatever reason/s. 

All IMO. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 09:50:27 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 09:52:16 PM
i am definitely put off by the lack of information from the police in this case. the only reason i can think of that they didnt comment on Mr. Oakes search results could be because it wasn't an official search done through the police or fbi and they cant release info done by other people for legal reasons..i have no clue though. it still makes me upset! 

i also think they could be withholding this info for fear that the perp would go and move the remains or go back and clean up possible evidence. 

i agree with tamikosmom that the timing, Mr. Oakes' dog tracing her scent and then the dog picking up the "death scent" is all a little too coincidental to me, but again, the forest is a large area and it is possible that the "death scent" is from someone else...ugh.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:01:00 PM
We need to keep moving in Lindseys case, unlike Sandra Cantu, sweet lil soul, we know where she is, Lindsey is still not found, we waste precious time when we go over something over and over, which one can find out for themselves. If one of us talks to someone on the phone, we don't record it, so we can't prove it, that is just common sense, and useless sense to keep bringing it up just because someone said they talked to a source. If we want to know we need to ask ourselves. again, Lindsey has not been found, we need to keep progressing on her behalf, not regress, it is wasted time that we could be moving forward in research..

Just for the record, if someone emailed me, told me things, I would let you know that I did speak with someone. However if the source requested the information not be posted, than out of respect for the person giving the information and LINDSEY, then there should be an understanding that this info is to be private. furthermore, as I have said, if any of us want to know we would have to go to the source as well and get that info for ourselves like Janet did with Mr. Oakes.

The above mention of communication with outside sources is proven when DD posted Troy Green's emails back and forth. There was a mutual understanding in doing this, it is out of respect for the person offering the information, which as you all know is greatly appreciated. I know if someone emailed me, I would not wait for them to ask me if I could reveal the information as how I see fit, but I would ask them if it was ok to post on a public forum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
i am definitely put off by the lack of information from the police in this case. the only reason i can think of that they didnt comment on Mr. Oakes search results could be because it wasn't an official search done through the police or fbi and they cant release info done by other people for legal reasons..i have no clue though. it still makes me upset! 

i also think they could be withholding this info for fear that the perp would go and move the remains or go back and clean up possible evidence. 

i agree with tamikosmom that the timing, Mr. Oakes' dog tracing her scent and then the dog picking up the "death scent" is all a little too coincidental to me, but again, the forest is a large area and it is possible that the "death scent" is from someone else...ugh.


Yea that actually makes my stomach turn...if it were to be true


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:03:16 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

love4ever

I emailed Harry Oakes and got a response.  I then shared the information with the forum and ... revealed my source.  Hey ... I copied and pasted the entire email.  It never occured to me to keep my source hidden.  I thought this was what a forum was all about.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:08:45 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

love4ever

How do I obtain Melissa's email?  I will share with the forum anything case related that Melissa reveals.  If it is confidential ... I will not share anything at all.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:08:58 PM
i agree that we need to move forward with this case love4ever and start looking at other avenues.  i think tamikosmom's response from Mr. Oakes could be a very promising lead.  in my opinion, its one of the most substantial pieces of info we have gotten so far.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:12:20 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

love4ever

I emailed Harry Oakes and got a response.  I then shared the information with the forum and ... revealed my source.  Hey ... I copied and pasted the entire email.  It never occured to me to keep my source hidden.  I thought this was what a forum was all about.

Janet




There are reasons that some research is not revealed, sometimes it is kept so that the continued source-researcher can continue, in which could provide valuable information, It is not kept so that no one knows, this is a missing childs case, this is precious it is not something to take lightly, and if you have a source talking and has asked not have their information revealed then there has to be some respect for that. I don't recall you mentioning that Mr. Oakes asked for such exclusion from a public forum, so that was left up to you. all I am saying is if someone asked ME not too, I wouldn't. If I am wrong or indifferent, than so be it, I just find it something I value in the way I research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 11, 2009, 10:13:00 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

love4ever

I emailed Harry Oakes and got a response.  I then shared the information with the forum and ... revealed my source.  Hey ... I copied and pasted the entire email.  It never occured to me to keep my source hidden.  I thought this was what a forum was all about.

Janet



Janet - still dying to know what you asked him that he answered.  But, I am like you - not afraid to write and ask for information.  I  only get answers maybe 75% of the time.  So, I would love to see your technique to learn from!
Now, if it is a reporter who writes back, unless they say not to share - I don't bother them asking if it is okay to post their note.  (Usually do this on story going cold to keep them interested too!).....but, did you ask him if it was okay to share - or do you view him answering you as I do a reporter.  I think with him, I would have asked - but that might be me being over-protective like my kids like to call me!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:18:17 PM
So where shall we begin?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:23:30 PM
does anyone know off the top of their head how long a death scent will stay in the air of a certain area until it dissipates?

I am not sure sunshine.

I just find the timing and the location of the death scent detected by Harry Oakes' dog/s very suspicious.

I just hope LE/FBI took Mr. Oakes' findings seriously and checked it out.

Janet



What seems odd to me, is that it seems LE has not publically made any mention of what Mr Oakes dogs found.  LE has mentioned 'their dogs' did not pick any scent, isn't that right?  I just find it real hard to believe that LE's dogs didn't even pick up the scent of Lindsey walking to her friends house, let alone away from it.  Then I have to think, maybe they did, and they don't want the public to know?  And if so, why not?   

::MonkeyConfused::

My mind is spinning on the differing reports of the dogs.  They didn't.  They did.  Up this street, down that one. 

Sooooooo confusing when we read reports such as Mr Oakes, where his dogs DID pick up a scent.  Why wouldn't LE just say that then?   Is it a slap to their own egos, that other dogs picked up the scent when their own didn't?  If that's the case, LE needs to get over it already!!

IMO, if Lindsey's scent was picked up, by any of the dogs no matter who they belong to, that area NEEDS to be gone over and gone over again by LE.  All egos aside.  One 'would think' that surelyyyyyy LE would have done that.  And yet.... sigh.  Tragically, what one would expect doesn't always get done by some LE, for whatever reason/s. 

All IMO. 


Wyks

Sister noted something very interesting in one of KaraK posts.  It appears that the LE/FBI originally told Kara that Lindsey's scent was detected on Sixth street and near the Baum residence by the dogs.  Then it was changed to "nothing" was detected.

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.
 
Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394



SHERIFF RICK SCOTT

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


TRACKING DOGS - KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 11, 2009, 10:24:19 PM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet


I think you make a lot of sense, Janet.  I do not post a lot, but try to follow this thread regularly.  I feel you add a lot by your questions, as I have had a few of them myself.  I feel DD may be trying to bulldoze you.  I hope not.  Don't let that happen as this thread needs all the questions it can stir up to hopely find Lindsey, whatever the outcome.  Keep up your good work.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:26:47 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:27:20 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

oh crap i totally messed that up..let me fix it. sry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:30:11 PM
wow, unreal...G'bye..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:31:12 PM
it's possible that LE told karak not to talk about the dog scents on public forums, but she apparently shared the report of the Mr. Oakes dogs to DD and a member of another forum, maybe the recent searches were based off some of that information?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:31:49 PM
wow, unreal...G'bye..

what happened?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 11, 2009, 10:32:45 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

This is what I was hoping for to research, but I can not stay here with the other nonsense..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:34:38 PM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 11, 2009, 10:38:38 PM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:43:12 PM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

love4ever

I emailed Harry Oakes and got a response.  I then shared the information with the forum and ... revealed my source.  Hey ... I copied and pasted the entire email.  It never occured to me to keep my source hidden.  I thought this was what a forum was all about.

Janet



Janet - still dying to know what you asked him that he answered.  But, I am like you - not afraid to write and ask for information.  I  only get answers maybe 75% of the time.  So, I would love to see your technique to learn from!
Now, if it is a reporter who writes back, unless they say not to share - I don't bother them asking if it is okay to post their note.  (Usually do this on story going cold to keep them interested too!).....but, did you ask him if it was okay to share  - or do you view him answering you as I do a reporter.  I think with him, I would have asked - but that might be me being over-protective like my kids like to call me!

I do not have the exact wording ... I should have sent a copy to myself.  Anyways the drift was very simple.  Considering the findings of LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on Harry Oakes' canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

Mr. Oaks did not acknowledge the Sixth Street search in his response.  Out of the blue he shared aspects of the Beck Street death scent.  I had never read anything pertaining to a search on Beck Street.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 10:54:59 PM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet


I think you make a lot of sense, Janet.  I do not post a lot, but try to follow this thread regularly.  I feel you add a lot by your questions, as I have had a few of them myself.  I feel DD may be trying to bulldoze you.  I hope not.  Don't let that happen as this thread needs all the questions it can stir up to hopely find Lindsey, whatever the outcome.  Keep up your good work.  Shortcake

Thanks Shortcake

I think most have me figured out.  I am strong willed and not deterred in my focus of speculation until "proof" is revealed that my focus is headed in the wrong direction.

If Melissa Baum or LE/FBI confirms that Josh was home with her when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... my focus then will then be ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 11, 2009, 11:29:25 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry




BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 11:38:26 PM

Wyks

Sister noted something very interesting in one of KaraK posts.  It appears that the LE/FBI originally told Kara that Lindsey's scent was detected on Sixth street and near the Baum residence by the dogs.  Then it was changed to "nothing" was detected.

Janet

++++++++


KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.
 
Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394#msg864394



SHERIFF RICK SCOTT

KOMO News - June 28, 2009


A wide-ranging search was launched early Saturday in the town and the surrounding forests. The town was criss-crossed three times, but not a trace of Lindsey has been found. Even bloodhounds failed to pick up her scent.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


The Daily World = July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


TRACKING DOGS - KARA KAMPEN

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


Yes I've read those Janet, and it's part of what is soooooooo very confusing.  Why would one of the authorities change from what they've originally said, without explanation?    ::MonkeyConfused::

Sometimes we see in the media, the way things are reported can cause confusion.  The one doing the report might, for example, paraphrase what someone in LE/FBI said (or anyone else for that matter), without actually quoting em.  I'd rather that the media give us the direct quote, instead of their spin on what was said.  Ya know? 

Was KK directly told *by LE/FBI* about the dogs, or in their presence when they said it?  Or did someone else tell her that's what they said.  It's not real clear from her posts who told her.  She just says "I was told", but doesn't clarify.  But the info she was told was later said differently, causing her to be confused, that's clear. 

If LE/FBI directly told KK... if it were me hearing LE/FBI later saying it differently, I'd be calling them on it, for sure.  I'd say, 'what the heck? you just told me ______, what about that?'  Am sure hoping that all concerned in this case are holding LE/FBI accountable in that way.   Seems to me that at the very least, when confusion like this in a case reigns, LE/FBI could step up and explain things publically again.  If it's a matter of them telling one person, and then that person telling someone else.. well........... that can get out of hand in a fast hurry. 

One thing too.. Most authorities tend to word carefully what they say to the media, sometimes going to the point of not really giving info at all.  The info given in one of the articles above has a reporter telling us what Officer Scott said, but didn't quote Scott, so how do we know how carefully he worded it?   

This is what the reporter said: "Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans."

".........almost no signs of..........."  what the heck does that mean, 'almost no'?  there is or there isn't!  which begs readers to wonder... so there were some signs, (plural, more than one!) and what were they? 

 ::MonkeyNoNo::  I dunno Janet.  I just wish LE/FBI would be straight up with what they know.  Either that or just say "we can't comment at this time", or some such.  Cuz it seems to me that they are the one/s causing some of the confusion. 

All IMO
       


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 11, 2009, 11:57:54 PM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

This is what I was hoping for to research, but I can not stay here with the other nonsense..

That's your choice.  You also have a choice of overlooking whatever posts don't suit your fancy.  That's how it's done in a lot of forums, which you'll find no matter where you go.  Of course, their are sev forums where a poster gets a time-out or are banned forever for simply giving their opinions.  On those forums, most posters live in fear of their mods. 

At least in this forum, mods are not 'the dragons at the gate', waiting to stomp on anyone who says how they feel.  We monkeys typically treat each other with respect, skipping over posts we don't agree with, rather than getting into heated battles over differing opinions.  Chaos does not rule this forum, and for that, I am grateful.  I've been on nearly all the other forums, and ya know what?  It felt like I needed to wear combat gear if I ever posted in there.  Many others have experienced the same thing. 

There's a report button in here for a reason, and that's in case someone gets out of hand.  Our mods will take care of any problem that arises, and do it firmly but with respect.  So we don't need to.  Thank goodness.  Everyone here is in a safe place to share how we feel on any given topic.  And I hope that you'll choose to stay and continue to contribute your research and opinions. 
   
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 12, 2009, 12:12:07 AM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.
Hi Sunshine12.  Let me try to make sense to what I posted.  All I confirmed was that a Roger hurt a rib around that period.  I did not confirm he was living with KK.  I do not know where he lives.  I also believe it may have happend before Lindsey dissappeared.  As for as Tag goes, that is suppose to be the house where the kids were swimming and DD asked if you can see their place from in front of the bar.  I can answere that you cannot, there is a fir tree in the way(for whatever this means?).  Maybe DD was playing with me.  I would just as soon drop this whole area of questioning as I do not believe this Roger has anything to do with the case.  By the way, did you ever get a response as to if Kara Kampen took a polygraph test?  All I have seen was Scott and Melissa voluntarily took the test.  Why not Kara?  I would think she would want her name cleared as well.......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:37:59 AM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.

Hi Sunshine12.  Let me try to make sense to what I posted.  All I confirmed was that a Roger hurt a rib around that period.  I did not confirm he was living with KK.  I do not know where he lives.  I also believe it may have happend before Lindsey dissappeared.  As for as Tag goes, that is suppose to be the house where the kids were swimming and DD asked if you can see their place from in front of the bar.  I can answere that you cannot, there is a fir tree in the way(for whatever this means?).  Maybe DD was playing with me.  I would just as soon drop this whole area of questioning as I do not believe this Roger has anything to do with the case.  By the way, did you ever get a response as to if Kara Kampen took a polygraph test?  All I have seen was Scott and Melissa voluntarily took the test.  Why not Kara?  I would think she would want her name cleared as well.......

Shortcake

Considering Lindsey was observed by witness at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM and ... Kara claimed Lindsey left her place between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... I somehow believe that whatever happened to Lindsey took place between 5th and Maple and ... her home.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


Well I don't think mammacrazy30's post should be deleted because it is her opinion although I am not sure what question she is referencing to needing an answer on - but if it is directed at me then by all means please re-post because I have not a clue what you are referring to.

As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

I like the fact that you guys are open in your processes and ideas and I agree that everyone needs to be looked at thoroughly regardless of who they are and I don't think you should be shy in looking into that or being open with your opinions. Not easy from this side but understandable especially after reading about some of the past cases you guys have dealt with-

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 12, 2009, 12:40:06 AM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.
I do not know any ML.  I am sorry that you thought I was confirming that story about a man living with Kara.  I know nothing about that.  At the time I felt it was a red herring(decoy).  Nothing to do with the case, IMO.  DD was the one who said the person in question lived in California.  Maybe she is right.  I only report what I know and see.  There was a person by that name around that time with a hurt rib.  Hope that cleared up some confusion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:40:07 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

This is what I was hoping for to research, but I can not stay here with the other nonsense..

That's your choice.  You also have a choice of overlooking whatever posts don't suit your fancy.  That's how it's done in a lot of forums, which you'll find no matter where you go.  Of course, their are sev forums where a poster gets a time-out or are banned forever for simply giving their opinions.  On those forums, most posters live in fear of their mods. 

At least in this forum, mods are not 'the dragons at the gate', waiting to stomp on anyone who says how they feel.  We monkeys typically treat each other with respect, skipping over posts we don't agree with, rather than getting into heated battles over differing opinions.  Chaos does not rule this forum, and for that, I am grateful.  I've been on nearly all the other forums, and ya know what?  It felt like I needed to wear combat gear if I ever posted in there.  Many others have experienced the same thing. 

There's a report button in here for a reason, and that's in case someone gets out of hand.  Our mods will take care of any problem that arises, and do it firmly but with respect.  So we don't need to.  Thank goodness.  Everyone here is in a safe place to share how we feel on any given topic.  And I hope that you'll choose to stay and continue to contribute your research and opinions. 
   
 ::MonkeyCool::


 ::cartwheel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 12, 2009, 01:01:03 AM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.

Hi Sunshine12.  Let me try to make sense to what I posted.  All I confirmed was that a Roger hurt a rib around that period.  I did not confirm he was living with KK.  I do not know where he lives.  I also believe it may have happend before Lindsey dissappeared.  As for as Tag goes, that is suppose to be the house where the kids were swimming and DD asked if you can see their place from in front of the bar.  I can answere that you cannot, there is a fir tree in the way(for whatever this means?).  Maybe DD was playing with me.  I would just as soon drop this whole area of questioning as I do not believe this Roger has anything to do with the case.  By the way, did you ever get a response as to if Kara Kampen took a polygraph test?  All I have seen was Scott and Melissa voluntarily took the test.  Why not Kara?  I would think she would want her name cleared as well.......

Shortcake

Considering Lindsey was observed by witness at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM and ... Kara claimed Lindsey left her place between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... I somehow believe that whatever happened to Lindsey took place between 5th and Maple and ... her home.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


Well I don't think mammacrazy30's post should be deleted because it is her opinion although I am not sure what question she is referencing to needing an answer on - but if it is directed at me then by all means please re-post because I have not a clue what you are referring to.

As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

I like the fact that you guys are open in your processes and ideas and I agree that everyone needs to be looked at thoroughly regardless of who they are and I don't think you should be shy in looking into that or being open with your opinions. Not easy from this side but understandable especially after reading about some of the past cases you guys have dealt with-

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081


Thanks Janet.  There is a question as to whether Lindsey made it to 5th or went up 6th?  Maybe she went back?  Doubt it, but possible.  I just think it was somewhat strange KK did not volunteer for the polygraph as her boyfriend did, just as MB did, so there would be no question.  KK was probably the last adult to talk to Lindsey. I am not accusing her, just wondering.  I know if it were me I would want to be cleared immeadiatly.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: love4ever on September 12, 2009, 02:29:59 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

This is what I was hoping for to research, but I can not stay here with the other nonsense..

That's your choice.  You also have a choice of overlooking whatever posts don't suit your fancy.  That's how it's done in a lot of forums, which you'll find no matter where you go.  Of course, their are sev forums where a poster gets a time-out or are banned forever for simply giving their opinions.  On those forums, most posters live in fear of their mods. 

At least in this forum, mods are not 'the dragons at the gate', waiting to stomp on anyone who says how they feel.  We monkeys typically treat each other with respect, skipping over posts we don't agree with, rather than getting into heated battles over differing opinions.  Chaos does not rule this forum, and for that, I am grateful.  I've been on nearly all the other forums, and ya know what?  It felt like I needed to wear combat gear if I ever posted in there.  Many others have experienced the same thing. 

There's a report button in here for a reason, and that's in case someone gets out of hand.  Our mods will take care of any problem that arises, and do it firmly but with respect.  So we don't need to.  Thank goodness.  Everyone here is in a safe place to share how we feel on any given topic.  And I hope that you'll choose to stay and continue to contribute your research and opinions. 
   
 ::MonkeyCool::


It is my choice, and my concerns are with a child and serious research, that's what suits my fancy...Lindsey Baum is missing, she has not been found correct? Do you know me? Do u think I care about how one forum treats another and how the mods are? I care about a missing child not the politics via the net about different forums. If u didn't like what I posted, then why did u not overlook it instead of coming at me as if you are the guard at the dragon's gate? And as far as I am concerned this is the combat zone, sorry u see it different. I am not here to play games, to have a meeting or a battle of the minds with other monkeys, I am here to help with the finding of a missing child....I spend time and effort in research not for the hell of it, I care..I do not have time for the vicious circle of content in which we can not find an answer...do you? hell I can not even make a post with out of a series of habitually repeated posts taking up a whole page in which can be found in it's own thread..."TIMELINE" .. How can we continue progressive research when we only speculate one theory or one specualtion, there has to be some diversity in it all to afford new leads? If I am wrong I apologize, if I am right I apologize...I do think I am civil, and I do try to be objective, but there comes a time when you have to try a different approach, a new direction if the one is not working that one speculates on...I am a serious researcher...I do not pride on the media or what other sources put in text. I research, I look, I keep my mind open to possibilities...I always read others thoughts, I often times search from those...But when I can not find something relevant or credible to cite as a credible source it is time to move on...If I find something along the way that is in relation to what someone has posted I will put it out there. But here and for days and weeks and months none of us have found Lindsey? That means we keep digging. I could sit here all day and night and go over the same thing over and over and over without accomplishing a damn thing, but I don't...I research the hell out of the population that surrounded Lindsey, it takes hours, days, nights, weeks...but At least I know more than I did before...about many things, not just a narrow minded focus on the obvious... ::MonkeyKiss::



I do not need a report button, but I do need a delete button

Klass Please delete my account here...Thank you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 03:42:28 AM
Does anyone have a firm confirmation of who all has taken the polygraph?

I just went through bits and pieces of ML VS. MB and this is how I feel  ::MonkeyShocked::

I wouldn't use ML as complete evidence just because she is known for getting melodramatic about things. I overheard her talking to my coworker one night about her husband, not nice things, and my coworker turned to me after ML left and said 'and all I asked her was how she was doing'. This has been about 2 years ago. She must have just been having a bad day, but I'm sure when she is in a good mood with hubby she isn't calling him viscious and vile names.

I just always keep in mind that people react differently to stressful situations.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 08:08:35 AM
DD

I provide the forum with the source of speculations.  Each poster ... including you ...  is free to accept or reject my backup.

However ... when you claim that Josh was home when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening she when missing and fail to provide backup ...

Am I making sense?

Janet


I think you make a lot of sense, Janet.  I do not post a lot, but try to follow this thread regularly.  I feel you add a lot by your questions, as I have had a few of them myself.  I feel DD may be trying to bulldoze you.  I hope not.  Don't let that happen as this thread needs all the questions it can stir up to hopely find Lindsey, whatever the outcome.  Keep up your good work.  Shortcake

Thanks Shortcake

I think most have me figured out.  I am strong willed and not deterred in my focus of speculation until "proof" is revealed that my focus is headed in the wrong direction.

If Melissa Baum or LE/FBI confirms that Josh was home with her when Lindsey left the Kampen residence on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... my focus then will then be ...

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet

 

The following post that Kara Kampen submitted to the form is the reason that I am skeptical that Josh was home at the time that Lindsey left her residence.  Think about how many Monkeys queried this issue from the getgo.  It only reason that that this would be one of the first questions that Kara asked Melissa when she found out that Lindsey had not returned home.  Yet on July 8th ... almost two weeks later ...  Kara claims she did not know the answer.

Something does not seem right.  IMO

I do not doubt for one minute that DD is convinced her source is credible ... her source that claims that Josh was home at that crucial time.  However ... I would appreciate making that decision for myself.

Something does not seem right.

Janet

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DID JOSH GO HOME AS INSTRUCTED?


Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there?
 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?

Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM »


1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.

2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.

3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.

4) ?

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870434;topicseen#msg870434


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 08:24:42 AM
Does anyone have a firm confirmation of who all has taken the polygraph?

I just went through bits and pieces of ML VS. MB and this is how I feel  ::MonkeyShocked::

I wouldn't use ML as complete evidence just because she is known for getting melodramatic about things. I overheard her talking to my coworker one night about her husband, not nice things, and my coworker turned to me after ML left and said 'and all I asked her was how she was doing'. This has been about 2 years ago. She must have just been having a bad day, but I'm sure when she is in a good mood with hubby she isn't calling him viscious and vile names.

I just always keep in mind that people react differently to stressful situations.

Jademoff

The reason that I am a believer in Marilyn LaChester's words in her comments is that her accounts encompassing the abuse of Lindsey Baum by both Melissa and Josh  includes LE and CPS.  I reason ... if she was going to fabricate ... I do not believe she would use sources in those fabrications that had the ability to dispute her words.  Also ... it must be remembered that Marily LaChester did not hide behind a nic when she submitted her comments in response to the KING5 article ... she identified herself.

However ... I concede I could be wrong in regards to my take.

Janet

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MARILYN LA CHESTER - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  As far as the abuse Lindsey went threw the MPD knows the FBI also knows.
 
2.  They have the reports I help Lindsey file.
 
3.  Just as of this moring when the FBI was at my house I made a comment about the 911 calls and the call to CPS

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=post;quote=904672;topic=5790.880;num_replies=1162;sesc=28414912316d49a494791fe51542bb71

 
4.  To answer the questions everyone has asked, Yes I have talked to police and as far as things being unfounded its more of lazy work by cps and I don't know what the police were thinking. Since Lindsey has gone missing I have helped serch and put fliers up. I was called by the agents investigating and told them what I know. And this is no nick name everyone in McCleary knows who I am. Its no big secret she had came to my house to call 911 when her brother had done things to her. I hope lindsey is hiding and she finds a way to get to someone for help to tell them why. But as everyday gose by the fear gets worse.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html?ocp=2#slcgm_comments_anchor


5.  I am close to her and I know a lot more than the media or law enforcement are saying right now. As for Scanner, sorry if you don't like the truth but I have never been one to keep the truth in and she should of been taken the first time she called 911 from my house asking for help instead of put in a police car and taken back to her abuser!"

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stor...omments_anchor


MARILYN LA CHESTER'S FRIEND - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  ... One time she called CPS on melissa baum when lindsey came over with welts from her calfs to her back.  she was horrified and i think a couple others saw this at her house.  the other incidents with Josh were chasing her with knife, shovel, choking, and at least one other attack against another individual (and here i forgot to write it down, i think it was a female but can't recall if it was an adult or child, but marilyn made the call).  she says he was very violent and went to Juvi many times!  hmm.  anyway, i don't think she's lying, that's a whole lot to be lying about, haha. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5790.msg904974#msg904974


MAMAHEAD - IN HER OWN WORDS
 
1.  Lindsey has been afraid of her brother for a very long time. He has threatned her many times. Where is she? And why is the mother not crazy with sadness or emotion. Show us some tears. The friend that Lindsey was last with shows more emotion than the mother. And why was the brother begging for money for fireworks at his little sisters candlelight vigil?
 
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_070609WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-SW.14c01624.html




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 08:31:50 AM
Does anyone have a firm confirmation of who all has taken the polygraph?

I just went through bits and pieces of ML VS. MB and this is how I feel  ::MonkeyShocked::

I wouldn't use ML as complete evidence just because she is known for getting melodramatic about things. I overheard her talking to my coworker one night about her husband, not nice things, and my coworker turned to me after ML left and said 'and all I asked her was how she was doing'. This has been about 2 years ago. She must have just been having a bad day, but I'm sure when she is in a good mood with hubby she isn't calling him viscious and vile names.

I just always keep in mind that people react differently to stressful situations.

According to the following media source ... Melissa Baum and Scott Williams voluntarily took polygraphs.  I have not read of any other polygraphs given in the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet

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FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 09:40:25 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP

This is what I was hoping for to research, but I can not stay here with the other nonsense..
I sure want to know more about this, almost right in front of Lindsey's house   ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 09:47:19 AM
Marilyn Lachester was investigated for the disappearance of Lindsey, according to her friend (the person you keep quoting) and after MANY questions I finally got to the bottom of this mess.  What it turns out to be is marilyn never witnessed anything, never saw anything, Lindsey never told her about a white car, marilyn has no reports, marilyn is known to exaggerate and be a loud mouth, marily was mad at mb because she (marilyn) was being investigated

it's all a bunch of crap as is so many other things in this case.  if you get to listening to everyone behind the scenes in this case (which believe me I have so many people ringing in my ear about each other) you soon learn that they are all infighting and pointing fingers at each other and when they get mad, out comes the lies and all the dirty laundry and blah blah blah.  It's ridiculous to use this case to fight and tell lies on each other but there is so much of it going on it is crazy....

now if someone wants to believe MB is responsible for lindsey's disappearance that is fine with me, but using marilyn lachester to try to prove it is ridiculous "IF" you have the whole story "WHY" she is doing it.  It's all bs infighting.  Just is all the other BS people keep saying. 

and while I am at it let me clear up a few other things people are "gossiping about" concerning MB.  people are gossiping that she spent money on a new computer and a new bike for josh and a ps2 for josh etc... the truth is, the guy who wrote the song for LB, gave MB a computer for Lindsey for when lindsey returns and told MB to use it so she could get on the net.  MB is using her old keyboard etc she had a year ago... Josh's dad bought him the bike and ps2.  MB is not using any of the money for these things, yet, people are "gossiping" about it all over the place... even at the search... how wonderful is that. 

there is a lot going on, but it is all crap that people are saying and they have no idea what the truth is about it, and they don't even bother asking or they would know.  when I hear gossip I contact the person and straight up ask them... hey what's up with this crap... the only way to get to the truth is to start asking the person who said it and the person who they are saying it about... and that is what I try to do. 

sometimes you can't figure out who is lying and who is not.  but usually the person will finally admit they really don't know they just "thought maybe" or there is a reason why the person lied.. .usually they are mad at the other person and just make it all up.  They don't expect someone like me to go ask the person flat out... but I do.
So what is Marilyn so mad at Melissa and Josh Baum about?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 09:47:31 AM
Me too!

Janet

++++++

DD's map that reveals the route between Mommsen and Beck via 1st ....
 
KarmaRoundUp
Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
« Reply #454 on: September 09, 2009, 10:03:08 PM
»

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.440


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 09:48:50 AM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 10:06:44 AM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 10:06:59 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 10:14:02 AM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet

I would like to know the answer to this also, by Le and FBI.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 10:14:33 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



 ::MonkeyTongue::

POST OF THE DAY!

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 10:19:49 AM
i am definitely put off by the lack of information from the police in this case. the only reason i can think of that they didnt comment on Mr. Oakes search results could be because it wasn't an official search done through the police or fbi and they cant release info done by other people for legal reasons..i have no clue though. it still makes me upset! 

i also think they could be withholding this info for fear that the perp would go and move the remains or go back and clean up possible evidence. 

i agree with tamikosmom that the timing, Mr. Oakes' dog tracing her scent and then the dog picking up the "death scent" is all a little too coincidental to me, but again, the forest is a large area and it is possible that the "death scent" is from someone else...ugh.
All the more reason LE should have investigated Harry's dogs scenting way back in July when/if that happened.
Has anyone heard that LE did find a dead body.....any dead body?
I haven't.
I also think the media coming out of McCleary sucks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 10:25:35 AM
i am definitely put off by the lack of information from the police in this case. the only reason i can think of that they didnt comment on Mr. Oakes search results could be because it wasn't an official search done through the police or fbi and they cant release info done by other people for legal reasons..i have no clue though. it still makes me upset! 

i also think they could be withholding this info for fear that the perp would go and move the remains or go back and clean up possible evidence. 

i agree with tamikosmom that the timing, Mr. Oakes' dog tracing her scent and then the dog picking up the "death scent" is all a little too coincidental to me, but again, the forest is a large area and it is possible that the "death scent" is from someone else...ugh.
All the more reason LE should have investigated Harry's dogs scenting way back in July when/if that happened.
Has anyone heard that LE did find a dead body.....any dead body?
I haven't.
I also think the media coming out of McCleary sucks.
I agree, and also want to thank-you for your previous post.  I don't know I have tried to think of different scenarios, I really have, but I keep coming back to feelings I have, which I just can't seem to sweep under the rug. Something just keeps nagging at me that this is not as complicated as it all appears  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 10:27:52 AM
Here is a map that DD had posted in the photos/maps thread.Shows Beck ST. up from Mommsen ST.
Looks like 1st ST. goes from Beck to Mommsen,almost right in front of Lindsey's house.     ::MonkeyEek::



BUMP


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 10:33:04 AM
I think that any of us could do what DD did? Talk to the source directly? If people want to know if josh was home, call LE? Or like DD said email Melissa Baum? There is no sense to keep running in a vicious circle because you will get the same answer unless you are willing to do the work to get it yourself. Questioning what one says is somewhat discerning when all you have to do is call or email yourself? Just like Janet did when she emailed Harry Oakes...Doesn't that make sense? I think it does. You can email Melissa or call LE just like Janet emailed harry oakes, there it is, there is where your answer lies...

YES I do.  I also know that DD has admitted that people in McCleary have lied to her, pulled the wool over her eyes so to speak.  I'm not belittling the work that DD does, she does good research but she is not perfect and can be fooled. 

Please feel free to post over at DD's forum but we do NOT delete accounts here.  I am more than happy to ban you though so you won't be tempted to post again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 10:33:50 AM
Karma

Is it possible to place that excellent map somewhere within your post so that it can be bumped by all when the dialogue dictates?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 10:37:35 AM
shortcake-arent you a friend of ML who confirmed her lie about that TAG guy or whatever that DD confirmed was a lie??


i believe you contributed to the story of the man who was allegedly living with KaraK.  I think the readers here deserve to know what ever happened with that rumor and why the need to make things up, I believe it has been proved wrong.

Hi Sunshine12.  Let me try to make sense to what I posted.  All I confirmed was that a Roger hurt a rib around that period.  I did not confirm he was living with KK.  I do not know where he lives.  I also believe it may have happend before Lindsey dissappeared.  As for as Tag goes, that is suppose to be the house where the kids were swimming and DD asked if you can see their place from in front of the bar.  I can answere that you cannot, there is a fir tree in the way(for whatever this means?).  Maybe DD was playing with me.  I would just as soon drop this whole area of questioning as I do not believe this Roger has anything to do with the case.  By the way, did you ever get a response as to if Kara Kampen took a polygraph test?  All I have seen was Scott and Melissa voluntarily took the test.  Why not Kara?  I would think she would want her name cleared as well.......

Shortcake

Considering Lindsey was observed by witness at 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM and ... Kara claimed Lindsey left her place between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM ... I somehow believe that whatever happened to Lindsey took place between 5th and Maple and ... her home.

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


Well I don't think mammacrazy30's post should be deleted because it is her opinion although I am not sure what question she is referencing to needing an answer on - but if it is directed at me then by all means please re-post because I have not a clue what you are referring to.

As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

I like the fact that you guys are open in your processes and ideas and I agree that everyone needs to be looked at thoroughly regardless of who they are and I don't think you should be shy in looking into that or being open with your opinions. Not easy from this side but understandable especially after reading about some of the past cases you guys have dealt with-

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081


Although KaraK doesn't drive she may have knowledge of what happened by someone that does drive and she should also have to take a polygraph IMO.Anything is possible and everything needs to be looked at because Lindsey is still missing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 10:40:22 AM
Karma

Is it possible to place that excellent map somewhere within your post so that it can be bumped by all when the dialogue dictates?

Thanks

Janet
Yes that would be good, that is an excellent map. I'm the type of person that looks at things very simply, probably because I'm not smart enough to know how to do all the researching that people know how to do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
I agree Karma, everything needs to be looked at  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 10:50:11 AM
Karma ... don't scroll by.  I think this is important.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya!

Janet

++++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 10:52:32 AM
I think that is important also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:00:18 AM
I think that is important also.

I do too.  Think about it.  It is July 5, 2009 ... nine days following Lindsey's disappearance and ... one of the last people to have seen this little girl has not been asked to take a polygraph ... a polygraph that was volunteered.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 12, 2009, 11:01:59 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:04:53 AM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet

What I find very odd is that the bike being left at the Shell station for 2-3 days.Wasn't the search dogs out trying to track Lindseys scent by then?Wasn't LE out walking Lindseys route by then?Why was the bike left at the Shell station 2-3 days if anyone walked Lindseys exact route?Lindsey could have planned to return to the station to get the bike and return home IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:09:07 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

chi-monkey

Would it still be Karma?  Karma is purple.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 11:18:30 AM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet

What I find very odd is that the bike being left at the Shell station for 2-3 days.Wasn't the search dogs out trying to track Lindseys scent by then?Wasn't LE out walking Lindseys route by then?Why was the bike left at the Shell station 2-3 days if anyone walked Lindseys exact route?Lindsey could have planned to return to the station to get the bike and return home IMO.

Me too.  Such incompetence!

Consider the argument ... I believe that it is possible that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to check if Josh took the bike home and ... met with foul play.

Janet

+++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:29:44 AM
i am definitely put off by the lack of information from the police in this case. the only reason i can think of that they didnt comment on Mr. Oakes search results could be because it wasn't an official search done through the police or fbi and they cant release info done by other people for legal reasons..i have no clue though. it still makes me upset! 

i also think they could be withholding this info for fear that the perp would go and move the remains or go back and clean up possible evidence. 

i agree with tamikosmom that the timing, Mr. Oakes' dog tracing her scent and then the dog picking up the "death scent" is all a little too coincidental to me, but again, the forest is a large area and it is possible that the "death scent" is from someone else...ugh.
All the more reason LE should have investigated Harry's dogs scenting way back in July when/if that happened.
Has anyone heard that LE did find a dead body.....any dead body?
I haven't.
I also think the media coming out of McCleary sucks.
I agree, and also want to thank-you for your previous post.  I don't know I have tried to think of different scenarios, I really have, but I keep coming back to feelings I have, which I just can't seem to sweep under the rug. Something just keeps nagging at me that this is not as complicated as it all appears  ::MonkeyConfused::
You're very welcome NoRose
I'm tenacious like Janet.....and you.
It's very hard to move on with other theories when there is still so much confusion from the very beginning.Things in this case are still not clear to me and others and I keep feeling the same as you,something/s just not right here.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:42:18 AM
Karma

Is it possible to place that excellent map somewhere within your post so that it can be bumped by all when the dialogue dictates?

Thanks

Janet
Good morning Janet
I am linking it directly from my puter,that may be why it won't show up on a quote.Let me put it in photobucket and see if that helps.BRB

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/baummap1beckst.jpg


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:44:06 AM
Karma

Is it possible to place that excellent map somewhere within your post so that it can be bumped by all when the dialogue dictates?

Thanks

Janet
Good morning Janet
I am linking it directly from my puter,that may be why it won't show up on a quote.Let me put it in photobucket and see if that helps.BRB

ok,that didn't work :(
Can anyone tell me which link to use in PB to make the map appear in a post.....not just the link?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:51:07 AM
Karma ... don't scroll by.  I think this is important.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya!

Janet

++++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200




LOL.....Janet,you are a nut.I want to say that I do read every post no matter who writes them.You never know when something will jump out at you.
KaraK wasn't asked to come in and take a poly but I thought it was stated that LE never asked Melissa or Scott to take one,they just volunteered to take polys to clear up anything.Why doesn't KaraK also just go in and volunteer for the same reason?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:54:03 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

chi-monkey

Would it still be Karma?  Karma is purple.

Janet
::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:02:52 PM
Karma ... don't scroll by.  I think this is important.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya!

Janet

++++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200




LOL.....Janet,you are a nut.I want to say that I do read every post no matter who writes them.You never know when something will jump out at you.
KaraK wasn't asked to come in and take a poly but I thought it was stated that LE never asked Melissa or Scott to take one,they just volunteered to take polys to clear up anything.Why doesn't KaraK also just go in and volunteer for the same reason?


I have been called worse.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

I cannot fathom that in the process of elimination in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum that ALL those who last had contact with her were not REQUESTED by LE to take polygraphs.

This is crazy.  IMO

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 12:03:59 PM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet

What I find very odd is that the bike being left at the Shell station for 2-3 days.Wasn't the search dogs out trying to track Lindseys scent by then?Wasn't LE out walking Lindseys route by then?Why was the bike left at the Shell station 2-3 days if anyone walked Lindseys exact route?Lindsey could have planned to return to the station to get the bike and return home IMO.

Me too.  Such incompetence!

Consider the argument ... I believe that it is possible that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to check if Josh took the bike home and ... met with foul play.

Janet

+++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953



Exactly Janet!
Also,Lindsey knew Josh was mad at her about that dang broken bike,Melissa or another family spokesperson even stated in the media"Lindsey,please come home,you are not in trouble".I think that means in trouble from the bike fight so I also think Lindsey knew her brother would just go home as told and leave the bike there and Lindsey probably felt guilty about the bike and the fight over it so she headed to the Shell station to make sure she got the bike back home....afterall Lindsey was the one that was playing on it and took it from their home.
Lindsey would have felt responsible for getting the bike back home so she didn't get into more trouble.
The Shell station cameras were pointing at the pumps so they may not have caught her on camera trying to retrieve the bike.They may not have caught her on camera being abducted either.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 12:04:34 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 12:04:54 PM
Janet, won't argue it is totally crazy  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 12:10:49 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

Chi-Monkey,
I agree about the purple.  I see you have the glasses and perhaps that indicates you, like me have eye issues that make long posts in colors dance and unable to read without great effort - copy and paste to a spot where I can change the color to black.  Even highlighting does not work on the long posts.  I think I saw where Klaas mentioned this yesterday in the Caylee thread.  I believe the request was made to two posters, one being Karma that the colors not be used.  I know once I asked Karma if she could post in black and she told me she likes to be able to find her posts fast, to see who responded to her.  I took it that she is only interested in reading people who interact only with her.  I find that her loss, but it ends up being my loss because I think what Karma has to say is important and valuable, but unless I get the context from a reply from another poster, I have to miss her point.  IMHO, color can be good for emphasis on an important statement, but entire posts in color are inconsiderate and self serving.  Again, IMHO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 12, 2009, 12:15:30 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?

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Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

chi-monkey

Would it still be Karma?  Karma is purple.

Janet

Maybe not.. but the posts are so good I wish everyone could see them.  Some of us have poor eyesight and just barely see the light purple.  Maybe bold would help.  (or I could reply to every post changing to black) ::MonkeyDevil2::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 12:15:33 PM
Karma ... don't scroll by.  I think this is important.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya!

Janet

++++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200




LOL.....Janet,you are a nut.I want to say that I do read every post no matter who writes them.You never know when something will jump out at you.
KaraK wasn't asked to come in and take a poly but I thought it was stated that LE never asked Melissa or Scott to take one,they just volunteered to take polys to clear up anything.Why doesn't KaraK also just go in and volunteer for the same reason?


I have been called worse.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

I cannot fathom that in the process of elimination in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum that ALL those who last had contact with her were not REQUESTED by LE to take polygraphs.

This is crazy.  IMO

Janet
I agree and I understand Melissa volunteering for a poly to clear her.....so LE can move on in the investigation.
But Scott Williams volunteering for a poly doesn't make sense to me especially because I think LE should have requested both Scott and KaraK and any other adult that saw her that day/night(adults living at the house that Lindsey and friends were swimming at thursday and friday)to take a poly just to clear them all whether they drove or not and whether the are male or female.Sometimes people do lie when taking polys and they are not detected as lying.Polys are not 100 % proof of anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 12, 2009, 12:26:28 PM
Karma... What happened to bolding the purple?  It really did help.   

Thanks... Chi-M   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

Chi-Monkey,
I agree about the purple.  I see you have the glasses and perhaps that indicates you, like me have eye issues that make long posts in colors dance and unable to read without great effort - copy and paste to a spot where I can change the color to black.  Even highlighting does not work on the long posts.  I think I saw where Klaas mentioned this yesterday in the Caylee thread.  I believe the request was made to two posters, one being Karma that the colors not be used.  I know once I asked Karma if she could post in black and she told me she likes to be able to find her posts fast, to see who responded to her.  I took it that she is only interested in reading people who interact only with her.  I find that her loss, but it ends up being my loss because I think what Karma has to say is important and valuable, but unless I get the context from a reply from another poster, I have to miss her point.  IMHO, color can be good for emphasis on an important statement, but entire posts in color are inconsiderate and self serving.  Again, IMHO.
NewsJunkie
I'm glad you remembered to put that IYHO as I disagree.When did I ever say anything like"I post in purple because I would like to be able to find my own posts fast to see if anyone responds to me"?
Seriously......I think you have your posters mixed up as I don't think that sounds like something I would say.Maybe I did say that and was having a bad day but I don't think I did say that as I am not inconsiderate or self serving.....or at least I try not to be.IMHO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 12:35:23 PM
Karma ... don't scroll by.  I think this is important.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Love ya!

Janet

++++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200




LOL.....Janet,you are a nut.I want to say that I do read every post no matter who writes them.You never know when something will jump out at you.
KaraK wasn't asked to come in and take a poly but I thought it was stated that LE never asked Melissa or Scott to take one,they just volunteered to take polys to clear up anything.Why doesn't KaraK also just go in and volunteer for the same reason?


I have been called worse.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

I cannot fathom that in the process of elimination in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum that ALL those who last had contact with her were not REQUESTED by LE to take polygraphs.

This is crazy.  IMO

Janet
I agree and I understand Melissa volunteering for a poly to clear her.....so LE can move on in the investigation.
But Scott Williams volunteering for a poly doesn't make sense to me especially because I think LE should have requested both Scott and KaraK and any other adult that saw her that day/night(adults living at the house that Lindsey and friends were swimming at thursday and friday)to take a poly just to clear them all whether they drove or not and whether the are male or female.Sometimes people do lie when taking polys and they are not detected as lying.Polys are not 100 % proof of anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 12, 2009, 12:36:12 PM
OK, so as you all know I am a fairly new person on here but I had to say something.

DD, I do not want you to leave this forum because I truly feel you add a lot to each case that we are trying to figure out on this site.

I am sure that you are just as frustrated as the rest of us about this case and the lack of information to the public to help find LB

I am guilty of sending PM's to other members divulging information that I do not feel safe enough to post myself since I am a local.

I have never contacted DD but have contacted others hoping they could help shed some light about things going on here in Mccleary.

I will not answer questions that I have no knowledge of nor will I answer any questions that would give away who I am.

I like to be able to lurk and listen for new information in town and if anyone knew who I was I am sure that would all stop.

Thanks
 ::MonkeyShocked::
~KONA~


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 12:43:13 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

Chi-Monkey,
I agree about the purple.  I see you have the glasses and perhaps that indicates you, like me have eye issues that make long posts in colors dance and unable to read without great effort - copy and paste to a spot where I can change the color to black.  Even highlighting does not work on the long posts.  I think I saw where Klaas mentioned this yesterday in the Caylee thread.  I believe the request was made to two posters, one being Karma that the colors not be used.  I know once I asked Karma if she could post in black and she told me she likes to be able to find her posts fast, to see who responded to her.  I took it that she is only interested in reading people who interact only with her.  I find that her loss, but it ends up being my loss because I think what Karma has to say is important and valuable, but unless I get the context from a reply from another poster, I have to miss her point.  IMHO, color can be good for emphasis on an important statement, but entire posts in color are inconsiderate and self serving.  Again, IMHO.
NewsJunkie
I'm glad you remembered to put that IYHO as I disagree.When did I ever say anything like"I post in purple because I would like to be able to find my own posts fast to see if anyone responds to me"?
Seriously......I think you have your posters mixed up as I don't think that sounds like something I would say.Maybe I did say that and was having a bad day but I don't think I did say that as I am not inconsiderate or self serving.....or at least I try not to be.IMHO

Also NewsJunkie,I did not even read Caylee's threads yesterday.I only post in purple because it is my favorite color but if it helps some posters to read the posts better and without strain I will just stick to black.I do apologize if I ever came off as inconsiderate or self serving with anyone posting here at SM's as I am not that way at all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 12:50:36 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

Chi-Monkey,
I agree about the purple.  I see you have the glasses and perhaps that indicates you, like me have eye issues that make long posts in colors dance and unable to read without great effort - copy and paste to a spot where I can change the color to black.  Even highlighting does not work on the long posts.  I think I saw where Klaas mentioned this yesterday in the Caylee thread.  I believe the request was made to two posters, one being Karma that the colors not be used.  I know once I asked Karma if she could post in black and she told me she likes to be able to find her posts fast, to see who responded to her.  I took it that she is only interested in reading people who interact only with her.  I find that her loss, but it ends up being my loss because I think what Karma has to say is important and valuable, but unless I get the context from a reply from another poster, I have to miss her point.  IMHO, color can be good for emphasis on an important statement, but entire posts in color are inconsiderate and self serving.  Again, IMHO.
NewsJunkie
I'm glad you remembered to put that IYHO as I disagree.When did I ever say anything like"I post in purple because I would like to be able to find my own posts fast to see if anyone responds to me"?
Seriously......I think you have your posters mixed up as I don't think that sounds like something I would say.Maybe I did say that and was having a bad day but I don't think I did say that as I am not inconsiderate or self serving.....or at least I try not to be.IMHO


Karma,
I humbly apologize, as that poster was not you - sorry, they used purple too. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4929.msg782306#msg782306

I do not have a problem with you, only the purple.  I actually enjoy your posts, but they are hard and some days impossible for me to read.  I stand by everything else I said, but I can and will admit when I am wrong - and it was not you who said that, so please accept my sincere apology.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 12, 2009, 12:51:00 PM
Hi All,
I hope what I am going to say will not offend anyone. It is just that this case is driving me nuts and I would like to get my thoughts on here. In the beginning of this case I thought that JB had done something to LB, maybe by accident. However, I too have a reliable source that has been in McCleary. From what I was told, JB wanders around freely and has a disability. I saw that someone mentioned Aspergers, but I am not sure exactly what it is. I just know that he can get out of control and is a huge handful. If he did do something to LB and wanders around McCleary freely, I would think that he would have mentioned it to someone by now. I guess what I am trying to say is that MB has not kept him under lock and key in fear that he would blab about having done something to LB. One of my other thoughts (as nutty as it may sound) was that MM needed money with the new baby and her new boyfriend that filed bankruptcy etc. MB always has money problems and has well before LB went missing. I thought that perhaps LB was stashed away somewhere safe and MM and MB were hoping that they would get large sums in donation money. Then I realized if this was true, how would they make LB re-appear? My biggest problem thus far was that MB was not acting like most mothers of children who go missing. Then I read on another board that she was bi-polar. If that is true it would explain how MB was not acting in the norm. It is my understanding that bi-polar people have extreme highs and lows and MB could have been thrust into an extreme low with the disappearance of her daughter. I have also been told that KK is the ONLY person in MB's little group that is actively doing anything to help find LB. I still just have a hard time imagining someone pulling LB into their car without a struggle. She had to have known them, or was she friendly enough to approach a strangers car and help them with directions and then they lunged? I feel as if I am back to square one again, ugh!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
I need to figure out for sure which one Beck street is. If it's the long road that leads back into the wooded area, OR if it's the one that has all the ground level apartments located directly next to the park. I'll be helping with the research on that. I wonder which side of Shell mart the bike was located on. There is a pretty narrow parking area on the Mommsen side of Shell station. And then on the direct other side of that is where the air pump is and more parking spaces. I also want to say that on the side with the air pump is also the diesel pumps.

I was asking who all took a polygraph because I was curious if Josh is old enough to take one. Though I agree with Karma that Polygraphs aren't 100% proof.

Another thing that got me really paranoid was a week or two after Lindsey came up missing, we had a man stop by our house trying to sell us windows for our house and his company was based out of the Portland area. I'm not real trusting of door to door sales people, especially with products like windows or some cleaner for carpets. I remember there used to be a couple guys who would sell things out of the trunks of their cars in McCleary. Some products like giant flashlights ?? I don't quite remember, but they walked up to my coworker and I in the past and tried selling them to us, and we just directed them to the bar. I don't know if those guys are still around or not, but they would usually show up in the summertime. I think this is just me being paranoid.

Okay, I have a few different areas to take a peek into regarding the case, so hopefully I'll be able to settle on an answer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
Karma said:
Also NewsJunkie,I did not even read Caylee's threads yesterday.I only post in purple because it is my favorite color but if it helps some posters to read the posts better and without strain I will just stick to black.I do apologize if I ever came off as inconsiderate or self serving with anyone posting here at SM's as I am not that way at all.

ME:  You and your posts do not come off that way, and perhaps it is by association and frustration for me having asked this in other spots on the forum that you feel I mean that opinion toward you.  I do not, in anyway find your words to indicate you are such.  My email is in my profile if you want to discuss it further or I can meet you in musings, but I JUST WANT TO FIND LINDSEY and read all the information to help in that cause.
Again, I am sorry I associated the purple with the prior discussion.  Hugs?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 12:59:09 PM
Hi All,
I hope what I am going to say will not offend anyone. It is just that this case is driving me nuts and I would like to get my thoughts on here. In the beginning of this case I thought that JB had done something to LB, maybe by accident. However, I too have a reliable source that has been in McCleary. From what I was told, JB wanders around freely and has a disability. I saw that someone mentioned Aspergers, but I am not sure exactly what it is. I just know that he can get out of control and is a huge handful. If he did do something to LB and wanders around McCleary freely, I would think that he would have mentioned it to someone by now. I guess what I am trying to say is that MB has not kept him under lock and key in fear that he would blab about having done something to LB. One of my other thoughts (as nutty as it may sound) was that MM needed money with the new baby and her new boyfriend that filed bankruptcy etc. MB always has money problems and has well before LB went missing. I thought that perhaps LB was stashed away somewhere safe and MM and MB were hoping that they would get large sums in donation money. Then I realized if this was true, how would they make LB re-appear? My biggest problem thus far was that MB was not acting like most mothers of children who go missing. Then I read on another board that she was bi-polar. If that is true it would explain how MB was not acting in the norm. It is my understanding that bi-polar people have extreme highs and lows and MB could have been thrust into an extreme low with the disappearance of her daughter. I have also been told that KK is the ONLY person in MB's little group that is actively doing anything to help find LB. I still just have a hard time imagining someone pulling LB into their car without a struggle. She had to have known them, or was she friendly enough to approach a strangers car and help them with directions and then they lunged? I feel as if I am back to square one again, ugh!

I have heared about MB's money problems too. From multiple sources I have in McCleary, I have been told that there were people walking around the Bear festival with jars asking for donations to 'Help Lindsey's mom pay for rent'. I will look for pictures of this also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:03:23 PM
Karma's map...I hope it's big enough...


(http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t348/carolleighf/LindseyBaummap.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:04:43 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
I am done, I'm going to go discuss with someone sane.
DD,I don't think that is very fair of you.
Janet and everyone here can post their opinions and thoughts no matter who agrees or disagrees with them.Everyone can choose to just keep on scrolling past the ones you and others don't agree with.
I think what Janet is trying to say is my thought sometimes also.......you have your sources and I understand you cannot say who those sources are but you are asking us to believe your sources,have faith in your sources when we have no clue who these people are.
I'm like Janet in that respect,I have a hard time believing and trusting in things said/read if I don't see it with my own eyes.Afterall,I don't know if these sources are lying or telling the truth or what.Shoot,most times I don't even believe in what the media says/prints.
Maybe Janet can never address you by name or something,that might make this all go more smoothly but I really believe that Janet is not here to argue.She is a great advocate just like you,she is hardheaded and stubborn just like me.I have been posting with her for quite a while and I have seen others(including myself sometimes)just scroll on past her posts.Why can't you and others do that but still post here?
We are all adults here and we all have opinions and that is allowed....we will all disagree and agree with others.I appreciate you and Janet.
Now,can we get back to Lindsey?



Karma, I would like to nominate this as post of the month.  AGREE! 

NOW if I can persuade you to change your text color to black life will be good.  Please Please! ::MonkeyCheer2::
LOL.....oh dang,but purple is my signature.....maybe if I bold it?

Chi-Monkey,
I agree about the purple.  I see you have the glasses and perhaps that indicates you, like me have eye issues that make long posts in colors dance and unable to read without great effort - copy and paste to a spot where I can change the color to black.  Even highlighting does not work on the long posts.  I think I saw where Klaas mentioned this yesterday in the Caylee thread.  I believe the request was made to two posters, one being Karma that the colors not be used.  I know once I asked Karma if she could post in black and she told me she likes to be able to find her posts fast, to see who responded to her.  I took it that she is only interested in reading people who interact only with her.  I find that her loss, but it ends up being my loss because I think what Karma has to say is important and valuable, but unless I get the context from a reply from another poster, I have to miss her point.  IMHO, color can be good for emphasis on an important statement, but entire posts in color are inconsiderate and self serving.  Again, IMHO.
NewsJunkie
I'm glad you remembered to put that IYHO as I disagree.When did I ever say anything like"I post in purple because I would like to be able to find my own posts fast to see if anyone responds to me"?
Seriously......I think you have your posters mixed up as I don't think that sounds like something I would say.Maybe I did say that and was having a bad day but I don't think I did say that as I am not inconsiderate or self serving.....or at least I try not to be.IMHO


Karma,
I humbly apologize, as that poster was not you - sorry, they used purple too. http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4929.msg782306#msg782306

I do not have a problem with you, only the purple.  I actually enjoy your posts, but they are hard and some days impossible for me to read.  I stand by everything else I said, but I can and will admit when I am wrong - and it was not you who said that, so please accept my sincere apology.
Accepted NewsJunkie,no problem.
Now.......lets get on to where is Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::

Gizzie - Try hitting the control (CTRL) key and hold it and hit + (one or more times) before you hit pritsc or do your screen capture software paste.  Then re-upload that pic.  Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
(http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t348/carolleighf/baummap1beckst2.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:12:23 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::

Gizzie - Try hitting the control (CTRL) key and hold it and hit + (one or more times) before you hit pritsc or do your screen capture software paste.  Then re-upload that pic.  Hope this helps.

I tried to enlarge it in Photobucket, but it looks the same. Ugh...Thank you! But I have no clue how to screen capture, lol.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:16:52 PM
Hi All,
I hope what I am going to say will not offend anyone. It is just that this case is driving me nuts and I would like to get my thoughts on here. In the beginning of this case I thought that JB had done something to LB, maybe by accident. However, I too have a reliable source that has been in McCleary. From what I was told, JB wanders around freely and has a disability. I saw that someone mentioned Aspergers, but I am not sure exactly what it is. I just know that he can get out of control and is a huge handful. If he did do something to LB and wanders around McCleary freely, I would think that he would have mentioned it to someone by now. I guess what I am trying to say is that MB has not kept him under lock and key in fear that he would blab about having done something to LB. One of my other thoughts (as nutty as it may sound) was that MM needed money with the new baby and her new boyfriend that filed bankruptcy etc. MB always has money problems and has well before LB went missing. I thought that perhaps LB was stashed away somewhere safe and MM and MB were hoping that they would get large sums in donation money. Then I realized if this was true, how would they make LB re-appear? My biggest problem thus far was that MB was not acting like most mothers of children who go missing. Then I read on another board that she was bi-polar. If that is true it would explain how MB was not acting in the norm. It is my understanding that bi-polar people have extreme highs and lows and MB could have been thrust into an extreme low with the disappearance of her daughter. I have also been told that KK is the ONLY person in MB's little group that is actively doing anything to help find LB. I still just have a hard time imagining someone pulling LB into their car without a struggle. She had to have known them, or was she friendly enough to approach a strangers car and help them with directions and then they lunged? I feel as if I am back to square one again, ugh!
I think some of us never left square one,me included.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:18:15 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::

Gizzie - Try hitting the control (CTRL) key and hold it and hit + (one or more times) before you hit pritsc or do your screen capture software paste.  Then re-upload that pic.  Hope this helps.

I just tried what you recommended, and it enlarged on my screen, but it is the same size after I save it. Oh well, maybe someone else who is better than myself can post one.  ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 01:22:45 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:23:36 PM
Karma said:
Also NewsJunkie,I did not even read Caylee's threads yesterday.I only post in purple because it is my favorite color but if it helps some posters to read the posts better and without strain I will just stick to black.I do apologize if I ever came off as inconsiderate or self serving with anyone posting here at SM's as I am not that way at all.

ME:  You and your posts do not come off that way, and perhaps it is by association and frustration for me having asked this in other spots on the forum that you feel I mean that opinion toward you.  I do not, in anyway find your words to indicate you are such.  My email is in my profile if you want to discuss it further or I can meet you in musings, but I JUST WANT TO FIND LINDSEY and read all the information to help in that cause.
Again, I am sorry I associated the purple with the prior discussion.  Hugs?
Big HUGS



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 01:24:52 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::

Gizzie - Try hitting the control (CTRL) key and hold it and hit + (one or more times) before you hit pritsc or do your screen capture software paste.  Then re-upload that pic.  Hope this helps.

I tried to enlarge it in Photobucket, but it looks the same. Ugh...Thank you! But I have no clue how to screen capture, lol.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

See if this works for you.......... I went and got Karma's map and enlarged it.   If this doesn't work - I am putting myself in the monkey timeout cage. 
Karma - thank you  ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Karmamapforgizzie.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:25:20 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 01:26:56 PM
Karma said:
Also NewsJunkie,I did not even read Caylee's threads yesterday.I only post in purple because it is my favorite color but if it helps some posters to read the posts better and without strain I will just stick to black.I do apologize if I ever came off as inconsiderate or self serving with anyone posting here at SM's as I am not that way at all.

ME:  You and your posts do not come off that way, and perhaps it is by association and frustration for me having asked this in other spots on the forum that you feel I mean that opinion toward you.  I do not, in anyway find your words to indicate you are such.  My email is in my profile if you want to discuss it further or I can meet you in musings, but I JUST WANT TO FIND LINDSEY and read all the information to help in that cause.
Again, I am sorry I associated the purple with the prior discussion.  Hugs?
Big HUGS



Sorry for OT again forum - but it does show us we can disagree, work it out and come back with a focused goal.  I am sorry my blunder helped prove the point, but glad we can prove it is possible!

Karma - No, thank you for the GRACE!  :: Monkey bunch of flowers :: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 01:27:40 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:28:42 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.
Thanks for the info Jade
Isn't the museum on Mommsen st?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:32:47 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::

Gizzie - Try hitting the control (CTRL) key and hold it and hit + (one or more times) before you hit pritsc or do your screen capture software paste.  Then re-upload that pic.  Hope this helps.

I tried to enlarge it in Photobucket, but it looks the same. Ugh...Thank you! But I have no clue how to screen capture, lol.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

See if this works for you.......... I went and got Karma's map and enlarged it.   If this doesn't work - I am putting myself in the monkey timeout cage. 
Karma - thank you  ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Karmamapforgizzie.jpg)
Thank you NewsJunkie
We really need an aerial view of the same exact map.It's DD's map,maybe she has an aerial map of the same.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:35:05 PM
Karma said:
Also NewsJunkie,I did not even read Caylee's threads yesterday.I only post in purple because it is my favorite color but if it helps some posters to read the posts better and without strain I will just stick to black.I do apologize if I ever came off as inconsiderate or self serving with anyone posting here at SM's as I am not that way at all.

ME:  You and your posts do not come off that way, and perhaps it is by association and frustration for me having asked this in other spots on the forum that you feel I mean that opinion toward you.  I do not, in anyway find your words to indicate you are such.  My email is in my profile if you want to discuss it further or I can meet you in musings, but I JUST WANT TO FIND LINDSEY and read all the information to help in that cause.
Again, I am sorry I associated the purple with the prior discussion.  Hugs?
Big HUGS



Sorry for OT again forum - but it does show us we can disagree, work it out and come back with a focused goal.  I am sorry my blunder helped prove the point, but glad we can prove it is possible!

Karma - No, thank you for the GRACE!  :: Monkey bunch of flowers :: 
::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 01:44:43 PM
O/T Karma, thank you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 01:52:06 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.

Alright, Beck street, I see 2 possibilities for people who Lindsey may have been friends with the kids there, which would explain her scent being up that road. As for the death scent though, does that mean that something/someone was already dead? Or could it mean that someone/something was dieing?

We can post up names and addresses, but no phone numbers correct? I'm going to get my sources straight make sure that the name I saw on the road is in fact that same family, because that is the only name I am in question about on that road. One other is a possibility.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:52:11 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code


  ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:52:40 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code

Thanks again
So attach the IMG code or copy and paste it?Let me try it......

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/baummap1beckst-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:54:42 PM
O/T Karma, thank you  ::MonkeyCool::
You're very welcome Klaas
 ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 01:55:16 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.
Thanks for the info Jade
Isn't the museum on Mommsen st?

Probably. I know that the Museum is up behind the shell station. I'm just unsure which one they refer to as the McCleary Hotel. I don't want to say 'the mccleary hotel is the one next to beck street' if in fact it's the museum and get people all sorts of confused ;)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 01:56:44 PM

See if this works for you.......... I went and got Karma's map and enlarged it.   If this doesn't work - I am putting myself in the monkey timeout cage. 
Karma - thank you  ::MonkeyKiss::

(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/LifeCoachOnTheCouch/Karmamapforgizzie.jpg)

Thank you ANJM  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 12, 2009, 01:59:24 PM
Based on this map, it would appear that Lindsey walked past her home, and turned right on 1st street, and then walked up to Beck street and turned right.  That is where they tracked her scent, correct?  Was 1st street mentioned anywhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 01:59:48 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.

Alright, Beck street, I see 2 possibilities for people who Lindsey may have been friends with the kids there, which would explain her scent being up that road. As for the death scent though, does that mean that something/someone was already dead? Or could it mean that someone/something was dieing?

We can post up names and addresses, but no phone numbers correct? I'm going to get my sources straight make sure that the name I saw on the road is in fact that same family, because that is the only name I am in question about on that road. One other is a possibility.
Yes,no phone numbers.
If Lindsey was on Beck ST recently and the dogs did scent her on that street she also had to be scented on any of the streets going from KaraK's house......going left from Maple to get to Beck across 3rd street.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:01:08 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.

Alright, Beck street, I see 2 possibilities for people who Lindsey may have been friends with the kids there, which would explain her scent being up that road. As for the death scent though, does that mean that something/someone was already dead? Or could it mean that someone/something was dieing?

We can post up names and addresses, but no phone numbers correct? I'm going to get my sources straight make sure that the name I saw on the road is in fact that same family, because that is the only name I am in question about on that road. One other is a possibility.
Sorry,wasn't done posting before I hit post.
I would think the cadaver dogs only scent on complete death.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:03:08 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code

Thanks again
So attach the IMG code or copy and paste it?Let me try it......

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/baummap1beckst-1.jpg)
Just testing to see if the map stays put with a quote lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:09:01 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code

Thanks again
So attach the IMG code or copy and paste it?Let me try it......

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/baummap1beckst-1.jpg)
Just testing to see if the map stays put with a quote lol

 ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
Since I'm a complete idiot with maps, please someone, the dog scent it was very, very close to her home? But wouldn't her scent be there normally  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:12:48 PM
Alright, I know for sure which one Beck street is. It's the one with the wooded area at the end. And right before you turn off onto it, there is a very large building which is apartments. I have always been confused which one they call the McCleary hotel, whether it is that building, or the building that is turned into the Museum.
Thanks for the info Jade
Isn't the museum on Mommsen st?

Probably. I know that the Museum is up behind the shell station. I'm just unsure which one they refer to as the McCleary Hotel. I don't want to say 'the mccleary hotel is the one next to beck street' if in fact it's the museum and get people all sorts of confused ;)
lol  I hear you Jade
On Mommsen street sign(or near the street sign)there is a sign that says Museum and it points down Mommsen street.Let me see what street the hotel is on.......
Looks like the hotel is on: Old Mc Cleary Hotel‎ - more info »
42 N Summit Rd, McCleary, WA‎ - (360) 495-3678‎
N.Summit RD. is right before and near Veteran Way RD and before Beck ST.I can't seem to copy these Google maps well but here is a link for it:
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&ie=UTF-8&q=McCleary+Hotel,McCleary,WA&fb=1&split=1&cid=10019911934670174247&li=lmd

Also,a link to a aerial map of Beck ST:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:15:57 PM
Based on this map, it would appear that Lindsey walked past her home, and turned right on 1st street, and then walked up to Beck street and turned right.  That is where they tracked her scent, correct?  Was 1st street mentioned anywhere?
Hi AZSunny,all I know is Beck ST. was mentioned....not 1st street.She also could have turned left on any of the streets leading from Maple street down to Simpson street then walked across(or was driven across)N. Summit road.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:27:13 PM
Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken up from Mommsen.. up first ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 12, 2009, 02:28:38 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code


  ::MonkeyTease::

But......but......but........ you were not here, so I tried to help! 
::MonkeyWaa::  javascript:moreSmileys(); :smt022 :smt022 ::MonkeyWaa:: 
Please don't you be mad at me now!!!    :  I was just trying to be helpful and redeem myself for associating all purple with Karma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
Would someone mind please bumping the email exchange between the dog handler and Tamikasmom? I can't seem to find it in this thread.

TIA

I would also like to read the first email sent to this man. Janet in your sent folder it most likely has a copy of the email you sent. You can xxx out your email address so we do not see it. It is not that I don't believe you, I trust he emailed you, I just want to know, probably for the same reasons you wish to know who tells Skye things. I am like that too, I want to know where things come from and how things originate. It will also lend credibility to your postings for those who do not know you.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 02:37:29 PM
skye = DD sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken up from Mommsen.. up first ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet



I can follow the map that Karma posted, and to answer your questions I can't see why not, it would make sense. That is a good map Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:42:11 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 02:43:20 PM
Thanks Janet  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:43:58 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code

Thanks again
So attach the IMG code or copy and paste it?Let me try it......

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/baummap1beckst-1.jpg)
Just testing to see if the map stays put with a quote lol
::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:44:46 PM
Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken up from Mommsen.. up first ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet


I can follow the map that Karma posted, and to answer your questions I can't see why not, it would make sense. That is a good map Karma  ::MonkeyCool::

The words in my post should have read:

death scene s/b death scent


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 02:47:02 PM
What street was he on that he tracked up to beck street? Was there a part of the email missing that states he was on 1st street? There seems to be many routes to take to get to Beck so I want to make sure 1st street was actually stated.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:47:48 PM
Since I'm a complete idiot with maps, please someone, the dog scent it was very, very close to her home? But wouldn't her scent be there normally  ::MonkeyConfused::
Lindsey lived on Mommsen street and Beck street looks to be a block or 2 from her street.I think Lindsey would have had to actually be on Beck street for her scent to be there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:51:20 PM
Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken up from Mommsen.. up first ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet



Oh shoot,now I am confused.Janet,can you repost what Harry said?I thought he detected Lindseys scent on Beck street and another scent.....a death scent?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 02:53:35 PM
Oh my! I do hope they are searching all along that 1/2 mile stretch. That's a lot of area to search. If they are doing a search on one of my off days, I will for sure go volunteer.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 02:53:48 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code


  ::MonkeyTease::

But......but......but........ you were not here, so I tried to help! 
::MonkeyWaa::  javascript:moreSmileys(); :smt022 :smt022 ::MonkeyWaa:: 
Please don't you be mad at me now!!!    :  I was just trying to be helpful and redeem myself for associating all purple with Karma.

LOL....thanks for the IMG tip NewsJunkie.....omg.....look at your little monkey doggy!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 02:56:04 PM
Since I'm a complete idiot with maps, please someone, the dog scent it was very, very close to her home? But wouldn't her scent be there normally  ::MonkeyConfused::
Lindsey lived on Mommsen street and Beck street looks to be a block or 2 from her street.I think Lindsey would have had to actually be on Beck street for her scent to be there.
Thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 02:56:16 PM
Would someone mind please bumping the email exchange between the dog handler and Tamikasmom? I can't seem to find it in this thread.

TIA

I would also like to read the first email sent to this man. Janet in your sent folder it most likely has a copy of the email you sent. You can xxx out your email address so we do not see it. It is not that I don't believe you, I trust he emailed you, I just want to know, probably for the same reasons you wish to know who tells Skye things. I am like that too, I want to know where things come from and how things originate. It will also lend credibility to your postings for those who do not know you.



I have no idea what a "send file" is.  Anyways the response ... which I shared with the forum in full ... is where it is at as far as I am concerned.
 
Janet

+++++++



I do not have the exact wording ... I should have sent a copy to myself.  Anyways the drift was very simple.  Considering the findings of LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on Harry Oakes' canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public..

Mr. Oaks did not acknowledge the Sixth Street search in his response.  Out of the blue he shared aspects of the Beck Street death scent.  I had never read anything pertaining to a search on Beck Street.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 12, 2009, 02:58:05 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED

Okay, so when he mentions that the winds were coming from the south, is he trying to imply that the wind blew the death scent to where they were??  So how *far* can death scents travel in the wind???

I hope this makes sense...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 02:58:46 PM
Oh my! I do hope they are searching all along that 1/2 mile stretch. That's a lot of area to search. If they are doing a search on one of my off days, I will for sure go volunteer.


That would be great  ::MonkeyCool:: And that is alot of area to search  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:00:53 PM
Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken up from Mommsen.. up first ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet



Oh shoot,now I am confused.Janet,can you repost what Harry said?I thought he detected Lindseys scent on Beck street and another scent.....a death scent?

Karma ... I just bumped the email from Harry Oakes a few posts back.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 03:01:59 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED
Thanks Janet
So Harry and dogs picked up 2 scents....one a live Lindsey scent that they tracked on(up to?) Beck street then NE to a logging road,then a track scent heading east 6 miles.

The 2nd scent was a death scent 1/2 mile east of Beck street with the winds blowing from the south.Correct?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 12, 2009, 03:02:36 PM
I just looked and it's the weekends, and I work every weekend. So inquired about donating snacks to those who are able to do the on foot trek during the weekend. :( now I'm bummed!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:04:03 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:09:30 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED
Thanks Janet
So Harry and dogs picked up 2 scents....one a live Lindsey scent that they tracked on(up to?) Beck street then NE to a logging road,then a track scent heading east 6 miles.

The 2nd scent was a death scent 1/2 mile east of Beck street with the winds blowing from the south.Correct?

OK.  I see what you mean.  My take was that there was just a death scent.  However ... you may be right regarding "two"  different scents.  The only thing that bothers me is it takes different type of tracking dogs to detect the different scents.  I wonder how many dogs Harry Oakes was using.

Should I email him again to expand on his response to me?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:09:41 PM
If they did track a scent and not walk the dogs to find a scent, was it a strong scent? We cannot say Lindsey has never been on that street, which ever street it was he track to Beck.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:10:59 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 

BUMP*

Janet incase you didn't read my question.
TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:11:47 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 

Tracygirl ... I inform the forum several times that I shared Harry Oakes' email in full.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 03:12:52 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 
Harry stated a track is a scent trail.........

we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:13:24 PM
If they did track a scent and not walk the dogs to find a scent, was it a strong scent? We cannot say Lindsey has never been on that street, which ever street it was he track to Beck.

Harry Oakes acknowledges in the email that the detection of a death scent only implies a body was present ... not necessarily the body of Lindsey Baum.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 12, 2009, 03:16:58 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 

Tracy girl,  I am the one that asked about Lindsey perhaps going past her home and up 1st street to Beck.  I don't think anyone else mentioned it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 03:18:37 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



BUMPED
Thanks Janet
So Harry and dogs picked up 2 scents....one a live Lindsey scent that they tracked on(up to?) Beck street then NE to a logging road,then a track scent heading east 6 miles.

The 2nd scent was a death scent 1/2 mile east of Beck street with the winds blowing from the south.Correct?

OK.  I see what you mean.  My take was that there was just a death scent.  However ... you may be right regarding "two"  different scents.  The only thing that bothers me is it takes different type of tracking dogs to detect the different scents.  I wonder how many dogs Harry Oakes was using.

Should I email him again to expand on his response to me?

Janet
You could Janet but also I read at WS that Harry multi trains his dogs(WS poster learned this from Harry's website)but I haven't read his web site in a while so I don't know how true that is or if it's even possible to train the dogs to scent for tracking alive and dead people.I would think that can't be true because an alive scent trail is unique to the person and a death scent could be from any person.Seems that would confuse the dogs?Maybe he has both kinds of dogs?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:22:40 PM
He didn't say they detected a scent, just that they tracked up to beck. I don't see it states anything about 1st street to lead us to believe Lindsey was near to her home. That is the point that is sticking with me. Is this the entire email response from him Janet? 

Tracy girl,  I am the one that asked about Lindsey perhaps going past her home and up 1st street to Beck.  I don't think anyone else mentioned it.

AZSunny ... I mentioned it also.  However ... I had interpreted Harry Oakes' email to imply that only a death scent was detected by his dogs.

Janet

+++++++

Is it possible that a deceased Lindsey Baum was taken from Mommsen.. up First ... to Beck?  Keep in mind that it was a death scene that Harry Oakes detected.

Mr. Oakes never mentioned in his email to me that he detected any other scent.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:23:47 PM
Thank you AZ sunny I was wondering where that came from.

Do they not start somewhere, walk a dog around until they get a hit? That is what I am asking about. Was he in an active track or searching for a track.


So Janet you do not have the first email you sent him? I am curious to know what you asked him and who he believed you were. It will also put his answer into perspective for me and maybe others.


I find this email interesting but it raises questions. Should Janet email back? Sure but this time can we read what you ask so we get the full picture of what is being discussed? I feel like I am reading one side of a conversation, actually I suppose I am and it leaves questions.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:38:55 PM
Thank you AZ sunny I was wondering where that came from.

Do they not start somewhere, walk a dog around until they get a hit? That is what I am asking about. Was he in an active track or searching for a track.


So Janet you do not have the first email you sent him? I am curious to know what you asked him and who he believed you were.  It will also put his answer into perspective for me and maybe others.


I find this email interesting but it raises questions. Should Janet email back? Sure but this time can we read what you ask so we get the full picture of what is being discussed? I feel like I am reading one side of a conversation, actually I suppose I am and it leaves questions.

Tracygirl

I have shared EVERYTHING with this forum and I do not appreciate you implying otherwise.  Why do you not email Harry Oakes youselve?  I refuse to respond to any more of your posts.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 03:41:58 PM
Monkeys

When I contacted Harry Oakes I identified myself as someone not connected to the case and had a heartful desire to know the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.  I signed ... Sincerely, Janet.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:45:06 PM
Sorry I am trying to find my answers within the thread but there are many postings to sort through.

Was it ever figured out why this man told a perfect stranger (assuming Janet doesn't know this person) the details of the search? It is concerning to me. I want information just like the next guy (or gal) but it scares me he is just telling anyone who writes? What if the kidnapper wrote to him? Scary thought isn't it?

You know I bet LE and the FBI hates the Internet sometimes. It must make it so hard to investigate a crime and keep certain things quiet to protect the evidence. This information was not made public and it makes me wonder if it was done for a purpose. Now it is out there....Maybe I am over thinking it, I don't know but I tend to err on the side of caution


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 03:45:36 PM
Monkeys

When I contacted Harry Oakes I identified myself as someone not connected to the case and had a heartful desire to know the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.  I signed ... Sincerely, Janet.

Janet
Thanks, and I appreciate it, and it was good of him to email you back. ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:50:11 PM
Janet I was not directing it towards you but towards the dog handler. I see nothing wrong with asking for information about what led him to believe he should tell a perfect stranger details about this case which may not be useful to Lindsey general well being.

Truth is Janet, whether or not you sign a name, it doesn't mean you are not the one who took lindsey. We all know that but he didnt' know that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 03:52:05 PM
Monkeys

When I contacted Harry Oakes I identified myself as someone not connected to the case and had a heartful desire to know the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum.  I signed ... Sincerely, Janet.

Janet
Thanks Janet
I think what some are questioning is what you asked Harry.I can only imagine it went like this:

Janet:My name is Janet and I am following the Lindsey Baum case.Do you mind if I ask a few questions of you to help clear up some things about the dog trackings?
I would like to know where you and your dogs scented/tracked Lindseys scent?Did you and your dogs scent Lindsey going on 6th street?

Harry:we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry


Harry never answered Janet about 6th street.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 12, 2009, 03:55:13 PM
Harry Oakes lists his email addy right on the front page of his website.  Personally, I think these people get enough emails and phone calls and I don't recommend it.  I'm just saying if people want to know what Harry meant and you don't believe what Janet is posting, ask him yourself.

http://www.k9sardog.com/disaster.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 03:56:45 PM
I just want to know so I can get his answer into perspective. If she asked about 6th street maybe he was saying yes on 6th and it went up to Beck street.

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 03:59:11 PM
Thank you AZ sunny I was wondering where that came from.

Do they not start somewhere, walk a dog around until they get a hit? That is what I am asking about. Was he in an active track or searching for a track.


So Janet you do not have the first email you sent him? I am curious to know what you asked him and who he believed you were. It will also put his answer into perspective for me and maybe others.


I find this email interesting but it raises questions. Should Janet email back? Sure but this time can we read what you ask so we get the full picture of what is being discussed? I feel like I am reading one side of a conversation, actually I suppose I am and it leaves questions.
I believe when they do a search with a scent/tracking dog they give the dog an item,usually clothing,of the person they want to track.The dog then picks up the person's scent from the item and starts tracking that scent.It sounds to me that Harrys dog was given Lindseys scent then they walked the route down Maple when the dog walked and scented all the way to Beck street if not on Beck street.Harry never said what route they went to get to Beck street.
ICBW though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 04:03:12 PM
Harry Oakes lists his email addy right on the front page of his website.  Personally, I think these people get enough emails and phone calls and I don't recommend it.  I'm just saying if people want to know what Harry meant and you don't believe what Janet is posting, ask him yourself.

http://www.k9sardog.com/disaster.html

Just want some perspective on the question Janet asked him? Is there something wrong with that? I am not doubting Janet sheesh!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:04:35 PM
Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:05:18 PM
Harry Oakes lists his email addy right on the front page of his website.  Personally, I think these people get enough emails and phone calls and I don't recommend it.  I'm just saying if people want to know what Harry meant and you don't believe what Janet is posting, ask him yourself.

http://www.k9sardog.com/disaster.html

Thanks Klaas.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 04:06:55 PM
Thank you AZ sunny I was wondering where that came from.

Do they not start somewhere, walk a dog around until they get a hit? That is what I am asking about. Was he in an active track or searching for a track.


So Janet you do not have the first email you sent him? I am curious to know what you asked him and who he believed you were. It will also put his answer into perspective for me and maybe others.


I find this email interesting but it raises questions. Should Janet email back? Sure but this time can we read what you ask so we get the full picture of what is being discussed? I feel like I am reading one side of a conversation, actually I suppose I am and it leaves questions.
I believe when they do a search with a scent/tracking dog they give the dog an item,usually clothing,of the person they want to track.The dog then picks up the person's scent from the item and starts tracking that scent.It sounds to me that Harrys dog was given Lindseys scent then they walked the route down Maple when the dog walked and scented all the way to Beck street if not on Beck street.Harry never said what route they went to get to Beck street.
ICBW though.

Yep and sometimes I do beleive they walk the dog around to find a scent. Truth is, maybe this email doesn't give that much information or he left out important details to connect the dots. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 04:07:24 PM
I just want to know so I can get his answer into perspective. If she asked about 6th street maybe he was saying yes on 6th and it went up to Beck street.

 
I think if Harry would have said that Janet would have posted it.As far as I know Harry said nothing about 6th street.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 04:09:18 PM
Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet

Janet,don't get me wrong,I believe you.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:12:12 PM
Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet

Janet,don't get me wrong,I believe you.
 ::MonkeyWink::

I know Karma.

Hugs

Janet





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 04:13:36 PM
Thank you AZ sunny I was wondering where that came from.

Do they not start somewhere, walk a dog around until they get a hit? That is what I am asking about. Was he in an active track or searching for a track.


So Janet you do not have the first email you sent him? I am curious to know what you asked him and who he believed you were. It will also put his answer into perspective for me and maybe others.


I find this email interesting but it raises questions. Should Janet email back? Sure but this time can we read what you ask so we get the full picture of what is being discussed? I feel like I am reading one side of a conversation, actually I suppose I am and it leaves questions.
I believe when they do a search with a scent/tracking dog they give the dog an item,usually clothing,of the person they want to track.The dog then picks up the person's scent from the item and starts tracking that scent.It sounds to me that Harrys dog was given Lindseys scent then they walked the route down Maple when the dog walked and scented all the way to Beck street if not on Beck street.Harry never said what route they went to get to Beck street.
ICBW though.

Yep and sometimes I do beleive they walk the dog around to find a scent. Truth is, maybe this email doesn't give that much information or he left out important details to connect the dots. 

I'm sure they do Tracy.Give the dog an item from the person they are tracking and follow a known trail or give the dog the scented item and walk around till the dog catches a scented trail.Either way works but I think they would have started from KaraK's house(a known trail)and went from there and it lead to Beck street.How they arrived at Beck street,we don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 04:13:40 PM
 I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 04:15:01 PM
She was asking about the search on 6th street! lol. So was he answering it as he was on 6th street and somehow ended up on Beck? He is answering a direct question and I was asking what that direct question was and if we could see it to give his answer perspective. Wouldn't it be valuable to know the street he was on before Beck? I would think so and within his answer he may said.

example,

what did the search turn up? Did anything you find correspond with the 6th street search?
His answer....we actually tracked up to beck (meaning yes we were on 6th street and it took us up to Beck.) 6th street is the one that runs into that plant right? Beck is on the other side of the main road around that plant?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:16:24 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:18:46 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet

Again ... I did not ask him any questions ... I made a suggestion.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 04:26:10 PM
Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest if it went public.
I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet

Janet,don't get me wrong,I believe you.
 ::MonkeyWink::

I know Karma.

Hugs

Janet





BUMP

You referred to 6th street then?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 12, 2009, 04:29:42 PM
She was asking about the search on 6th street! lol. So was he answering it as he was on 6th street and somehow ended up on Beck? He is answering a direct question and I was asking what that direct question was and if we could see it to give his answer perspective. Wouldn't it be valuable to know the street he was on before Beck? I would think so and within his answer he may said.

example,

what did the search turn up? Did anything you find correspond with the 6th street search?
His answer....we actually tracked up to beck (meaning yes we were on 6th street and it took us up to Beck.) 6th street is the one that runs into that plant right? Beck is on the other side of the main road around that plant?

I understand your reason for asking tracy.  Janet, I think as someone suggested earlier, your "sent folder", which keeps copies of all your email sent, would have a copy of the email.  It is in your email program.  All email programs have them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 12, 2009, 04:31:08 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet

Again ... I did not ask him any questions ... I made a suggestion.

Janet

OK,  now I am confused Janet.  What was the suggestion??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 04:40:22 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet
I'm glad he responded to you also  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 12, 2009, 04:43:33 PM
This thread is so frustrating. We are all supposed to be on the same side. I need to go, my children are bothering me to get off the compter, lol,  hopefully when I log back on I will find a thread which is easier to work on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 04:45:04 PM
We are all on the same side  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:51:00 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet

Again ... I did not ask him any questions ... I made a suggestion.

Janet

OK,  now I am confused Janet.  What was the suggestion??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::


Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest in the case if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 04:55:11 PM
Monkeys

My eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island have just arrived.  There is a family gathering at my brothers tomorrow.  Hubby just returned from a three day fishing trip with BIL.  The house is buzzing with bodies after three days of just me and Brandi (15 year old Golden Retriever).

Anyways ... my computer activity is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend all.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 12, 2009, 05:05:42 PM
Monkeys

My eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island have just arrived.  There is a family gathering at my brothers tomorrow.  Hubby just returned from a three day fishing trip with BIL.  The house is buzzing with bodies after three days of just me and Brandi (15 year old Golden Retriever).

Anyways ... my computer activity is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend all.

Janet
Janet,have a good time with your family and friends and we'll see you tomorrow.Thank you for the great conversations.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 12, 2009, 05:10:29 PM
Monkeys

My eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island have just arrived.  There is a family gathering at my brothers tomorrow.  Hubby just returned from a three day fishing trip with BIL.  The house is buzzing with bodies after three days of just me and Brandi (15 year old Golden Retriever).

Anyways ... my computer activity is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend all.

Janet
Janet,have a good time with your family and friends and we'll see you tomorrow.Thank you for the great conversations.

Thanks Karma

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 12, 2009, 05:18:30 PM
Monkeys

My eldest son, DIL and grandson from Vancouver Island have just arrived.  There is a family gathering at my brothers tomorrow.  Hubby just returned from a three day fishing trip with BIL.  The house is buzzing with bodies after three days of just me and Brandi (15 year old Golden Retriever).

Anyways ... my computer activity is history until tomorrow evening.

Have a good weekend all.

Janet
Have a fun time, enjoy  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Gizzie on September 12, 2009, 08:35:13 PM
Shoot! Anyone know how I can enlarge it when saving it to Photobucket? Pretty please  ::MonkeyAngel::
Thank you Gizzie!
Can you tell me which link in PB you use to make the map appear in each quote please?

I can - use the IMG code


  ::MonkeyTease::

But......but......but........ you were not here, so I tried to help! 
::MonkeyWaa::  javascript:moreSmileys(); :smt022 :smt022 ::MonkeyWaa:: 
Please don't you be mad at me now!!!    :  I was just trying to be helpful and redeem myself for associating all purple with Karma.


Oh no! I know I wasn't here! I did that because you were quicker than me!  ::MonkeyKiss::

I'm sorry! I should have kissed you!  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 12, 2009, 10:22:12 PM
I have a question that has been bothering me for days

Who was the other adult at KaraK's on June 26th ?

I am sure his name started with an R but can't find it...grrr



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: alismom on September 13, 2009, 12:19:39 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me for days

Who was the other adult at KaraK's on June 26th ?

I am sure his name started with an R but can't find it...grrr



His name was Roger... He was a made up character by ML...  As I remember it she claimed he was a friend of hers who was living with Kara and her family... The family was out and he broke his rib climbing into their window...  Of course ML couldn't prove any of this... Wouldn't give his last name and quickly went into hiding when she was called on it... Not one inch of proof was ever found.. Not one person knew him or ever heard of him.. Just a figment of her imagination... Sorry to those who believe what she says but I see her as a big fat liar...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 13, 2009, 12:26:08 AM
It was not from a posting on any of the forums

It was either a newspaper article or one of the tv stations that said it very early on in the case.

I didnt even know about the forums until maybe a week b4 I joined  lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: alismom on September 13, 2009, 01:14:05 AM
It was not from a posting on any of the forums

It was either a newspaper article or one of the tv stations that said it very early on in the case.

I didnt even know about the forums until maybe a week b4 I joined  lol

Yes I believe you are right.. I think it was a newspaper article... 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 13, 2009, 02:12:29 AM
I'm going to make a visit into McCleary coming up soon to drop off some snack supplies for the search groups. I'm also going to find out about Roger. I know I've heared people in the town talking about him, when I worked there over a year ago. Whether or not he's relevant to the case, only the FBI and law enforcement would know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 07:31:51 AM
MCCLEARY, Wash. - Months of disappointments haven't sapped the strength of a search effort for a missing McCleary girl.
Lindsay Baum disappeared 11 weeks ago - and despite a lack of clues, volunteers won't stop looking.

It's slow going, poking through the brush - but volunteers say it's worth any effort to find a clue to Lindsey's disappearance.

They were back out again on Saturday, combing through the thick brush.

"This morning we had people standing in line just to register," says Lindsey's mother, Melissa Baum.

She is coordinating this latest effort, with help from the biker club "Guardians of the Children" and a second group called "Helping Heroes Productions."

"I truly believe my daughter's alive and that we're going to bring her home," Melissa says. "I just hope whoever has her would just let her go, let her come home where she's loved and where she's wanted."

More at link............

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/59141277.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 07:43:53 AM
Nothing to do with Lindsey,but it did happen in WA.


Ex-principal pleads guilty to kidnapping girl


Story Published: Sep 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM PDT

Story Updated: Sep 12, 2009 at 12:36 PM PDT
By Associated Press and KOMO News Staff EVERETT, Wash. (AP) - The former principal of a Christian school in Arlington has pleaded guilty to second-degree kidnapping in a plea deal with prosecutors, who dropped a charge of child rape.

Mark Evan Brown, 38, entered the plea Friday and is facing a year in jail.

Snohomish County prosecutors say he exchanged hundreds of text messages with a 14-year-old student and encouraged her to run away from home.

The girl said he set up a room at Highland Christian School for her to stay in, complete with a hide-a-bed and television. She was found at Brown's home after her parents reported her missing.

The girl said Brown sexually assaulted her at the school in June 2008, something Brown denied.

Brown earlier was barred by court order from contacting the girl or her younger sister by any means - including phone, cell phone, e-mail or through third parties.

In addition, he was ordered to stay at least 1,000 feet away from the girls, their home and their school.

Brown was fired as principal of Highland Christian School in July 2008 after he was charged in Snohomish County Superior Court.

Brown came to the private school after he lost his previous job as a wrestling coach at Concrete High School in Skagit County. He was investigated there after reports of an inappropriate relationship with a female student.

http://www.komonews.com/news/59131917.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 08:43:17 AM
I'm going to make a visit into McCleary coming up soon to drop off some snack supplies for the search groups. I'm also going to find out about Roger. I know I've heared people in the town talking about him, when I worked there over a year ago. Whether or not he's relevant to the case, only the FBI and law enforcement would know.
Jade,the way JenniferO replied to KonaMocha over at WS when Kona asked about a man named R who was a bodybuilder and was at KaraK's house but left right before Lindsey did......JenniferO made it sound like there is a man named R and the whole town knows about him.I'll bring the posts over.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 08:51:08 AM
WS link:http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88014&page=26


KonaMocha:
Does anyone else remember at the very beginning of this case that there was a 3rd adult at KaraK's House ?

I think his name started with R
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It was in one of the original newspaper or tv reports

That is why I am asking if anyone knows where I can find it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It was a male that was there and had left before LB showed up to see about spending the night

I am pretty sure it was in the 1st week after LB went missing.

I wish I could find it
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
MomTective:
Just jumping in here but I remember a male being at the house too. He was a body builder.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Karma:OK.I misunderstood JenniferO's play on words....she was talking about the R word,rumor....sorry you all.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JenniferO:
I don't recall reading that. And again, from what Kara has told me in person and also what she's posted online, no one else was there. She posted over on SM. (Thread 1 for Lindsey, Page 59, post #1163)... the media must have made a mistake (not the first time we've seen that happen, right?).

Again, it sounds like it was Rumor.. he's popular in McCleary. He's a fast little thing.. easy to catch but hard to hold on to


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 13, 2009, 10:22:42 AM
Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2009, 10:29:38 AM
I have a question that has been bothering me for days

Who was the other adult at KaraK's on June 26th ?

I am sure his name started with an R but can't find it...grrr



His name was Roger... He was a made up character by ML...  As I remember it she claimed he was a friend of hers who was living with Kara and her family... The family was out and he broke his rib climbing into their window...  Of course ML couldn't prove any of this... Wouldn't give his last name and quickly went into hiding when she was called on it... Not one inch of proof was ever found.. Not one person knew him or ever heard of him.. Just a figment of her imagination... Sorry to those who believe what she says but I see her as a big fat liar...

Welcome to Scared Monkeys alismom.

You may be newby to the Lindsey Baum forum but obviously not a newby to the case.

I would appreciate if you could direct me to Marilyn LaChesters own words regarding Roger or the source that relates Marily LaChesters words about Roger.

Thank you

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 13, 2009, 10:30:52 AM
 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 13, 2009, 10:41:54 AM
alismom  WELCOME  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 02:32:49 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 13, 2009, 02:54:29 PM
If this has been posted prior, please excuse me. There are sooooo many pages on this case to read. I was just struck by how much this child, Adriana Jackson, who went missing in Lakewood, WA in 2005 looked like LB. Adriana's  little body was found but they have never caught the perp. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/jackson_aa.htm ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 13, 2009, 02:59:23 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Wow, thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 13, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
If this has been posted prior, please excuse me. There are sooooo many pages on this case to read. I was just struck by how much this child, Adriana Jackson, who went missing in Lakewood, WA in 2005 looked like LB. Adriana's  little body was found but they have never caught the perp. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/seekinfo/jackson_aa.htm ::MonkeyMad::
  ::MonkeyEek:: She sure does, I have never heard of this little girl before, how very sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 03:42:40 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 04:15:32 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?

The streets from Mommsen left should be Simpson, Veterans Way,  then Beck, but with all the trees I can't tell for sure.  Only Beck goes through,  north,  to 1st, but I still don't know.   Maybe a local can jump in with that information.
 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 04:25:32 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?

The streets from Mommsen left should be Simpson, Veterans Way,  then Beck, but with all the trees I can't tell for sure.  Only Beck goes through,  north,  to 1st, but I still don't know.   Maybe a local can jump in with that information.
 ::MonkeyConfused::

Thank you  ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 04:27:22 PM
I can't even tell you what I would give for a aerial map of this map below.
 ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 04:28:53 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?

The streets from Mommsen left should be Simpson, Veterans Way,  then Beck, but with all the trees I can't tell for sure.  Only Beck goes through,  north,  to 1st, but I still don't know.   Maybe a local can jump in with that information.
 ::MonkeyConfused::
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Nope, now I think it is Veterans Way.     By the way, you are lovely in black type.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeySlide::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 04:30:56 PM
MikeB's map of about the same area.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 04:32:37 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?

The streets from Mommsen left should be Simpson, Veterans Way,  then Beck, but with all the trees I can't tell for sure.  Only Beck goes through,  north,  to 1st, but I still don't know.   Maybe a local can jump in with that information.
 ::MonkeyConfused::
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Nope, now I think it is Veterans Way.     By the way, you are lovely in black type.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeySlide::
LOL....thanks!

Doesn't the street to the left look too long to be Veteran Way street?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 04:45:40 PM
McCleary Historical Museum, located at 314 S. 2nd Street.

http://**/dgh02/mcc.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 05:01:41 PM
<img src="http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Lindsey%20Baum/mccleary8-4-09.jpg">


This aerial photo by MikeB is of the area of current interest.  Don't know if everyone has seen it.  Mike asked that this be shared everywhere without copyright problems, as long as we do not make up postcards to sell with it. ::MonkeyKiss::
Thank you Chi Monkey
The road over to the left of the image....is that Beck st. or Veteran Way st?

The streets from Mommsen left should be Simpson, Veterans Way,  then Beck, but with all the trees I can't tell for sure.  Only Beck goes through,  north,  to 1st, but I still don't know.   Maybe a local can jump in with that information.
 ::MonkeyConfused::
 ::MonkeyAngel::

Nope, now I think it is Veterans Way.     By the way, you are lovely in black type.  Thanks.

 ::MonkeySlide::
LOL....thanks!

Doesn't the street to the left look too long to be Veteran Way street?

Piffle! Yes it does.  I'm going back to thinking it is Beck.   :smt102 :smt100


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 13, 2009, 05:20:00 PM
Ok, let me see if I can help with the map...lol

if you slide the map all the way to the left....... the road you see going towards the top of the pic is Beck St (yes, the Mccleary Hotel is on the corner)

It comes off of Summit Rd on the right heading towards highway 108

The dusty rd (aka 1st st) that connects to Beck st  from Mommsen goes directly behind the Rainbow Park Apartments

If you were to turn next to the VFW hall and follow the apartment parking loop to the left it would take you to the dusty rd (aka 1st street)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 13, 2009, 05:28:49 PM
MikeB's map of about the same area.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)


I am not good at this but will try.  Beck St is the vert street at the far left.  North Summit runs horz in the middle of the photo.  McCleary Hotel is at the   corner of  Beck and N summit nestled in the trees.  Simpson Ave is the vert street to the right of the door plant.  Maple is the street at far lower left corner running vert toward Mummson st.  Mummson St. the street running at a 45 from Summit at the far middle right of photo.  It runs back into the trees.  1st st runs horz from Mummson to Beck behind Beerbower Park(open field in the middle) and the housing complex of 8 or so bldgs in the middle.  It is hard to make out 1st, as it runs along trees.  I hope that helps a litte as I am not good with this stuff.  This is a great photo as it shows the Shell, and PD gordon's, downtown Mcaleary. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
Ok, let me see if I can help with the map...lol

if you slide the map all the way to the left....... the road you see going towards the top of the pic is Beck St (yes, the Mccleary Hotel is on the corner)

It comes off of Summit Rd on the right heading towards highway 108

The dusty rd (aka 1st st) that connects to Beck st  from Mommsen goes directly behind the Rainbow Park Apartments

If you were to turn next to the VFW hall and follow the apartment parking loop to the left it would take you to the dusty rd (aka 1st street)


Thank you Kona!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 13, 2009, 05:36:03 PM
MikeB's map of about the same area.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)


I am not good at this but will try.  Beck St is the vert street at the far left.  North Summit runs horz in the middle of the photo.  McCleary Hotel is at the   corner of  Beck and N summit nestled in the trees.  Simpson Ave is the vert street to the right of the door plant.  Maple is the street at far lower left corner running vert toward Mummson st.  Mummson St. the street running at a 45 from Summit at the far middle right of photo.  It runs back into the trees.  1st st runs horz from Mummson to Beck behind Beerbower Park(open field in the middle) and the housing complex of 8 or so bldgs in the middle.  It is hard to make out 1st, as it runs along trees.  I hope that helps a litte as I am not good with this stuff.  This is a great photo as it shows the Shell, and PD gordon's, downtown Mcaleary. 
correction" Maple is vert street far lower right side. Posted too quick.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 05:57:40 PM
MikeB's map of about the same area.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)


I am not good at this but will try.  Beck St is the vert street at the far left.  North Summit runs horz in the middle of the photo.  McCleary Hotel is at the   corner of  Beck and N summit nestled in the trees.  Simpson Ave is the vert street to the right of the door plant.  Maple is the street at far lower left corner running vert toward Mummson st.  Mummson St. the street running at a 45 from Summit at the far middle right of photo.  It runs back into the trees.  1st st runs horz from Mummson to Beck behind Beerbower Park(open field in the middle) and the housing complex of 8 or so bldgs in the middle.  It is hard to make out 1st, as it runs along trees.  I hope that helps a litte as I am not good with this stuff.  This is a great photo as it shows the Shell, and PD gordon's, downtown Mcaleary. 
Thank you ShortCake!
That was very helpful.From searching and looking at maps on yahoo,looks like Veteran Way street is very short and runs right along the BB park there.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 13, 2009, 06:02:06 PM
I flipped the other map now it lines up really well with MikeB's aerial map.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 07:05:13 PM
Thanks for the map/photo help.   It will be much easier for me to follow these discussions with this picture in mind now.


Chi-M


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 07:13:51 PM
MikeB's map of about the same area.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/BeckstMommsenst1stst.jpg)


I am not good at this but will try.  Beck St is the vert street at the far left.  North Summit runs horz in the middle of the photo.  McCleary Hotel is at the   corner of  Beck and N summit nestled in the trees.  Simpson Ave is the vert street to the right of the door plant.  Maple is the street at far lower left corner running vert toward Mummson st.  Mummson St. the street running at a 45 from Summit at the far middle right of photo.  It runs back into the trees.  1st st runs horz from Mummson to Beck behind Beerbower Park(open field in the middle) and the housing complex of 8 or so bldgs in the middle.  It is hard to make out 1st, as it runs along trees.  I hope that helps a litte as I am not good with this stuff.  This is a great photo as it shows the Shell, and PD gordon's, downtown Mcaleary. 

Bump     and Thanks again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 13, 2009, 08:21:07 PM
Sister.... I have to agree with you.  I feel that tamikosmom is in the wrong.  This is my first time ever commenting on this site.  But for the record, Melissa Baum took a polygraph and PASSED if anybody remembers!  this is why she isn't a suspect!  My goodness!  I live in Washington but not in Mccleary and don't know anybody involved directly, but come on.  People are missing the point.  The point is not to point fingers at the family, it is to find Lindsey alive and bring her home.  Look at the Jaycee Duggard case.  He step dad was blamed by outsiders all along and he was innocent.  She was alive just minutes from her home.  So nobody should give up hope, just remember what is important.

Welcome DMCLEAN42!

As I'm sure you are aware, this is a forum where each individual is free to express their opinions.  Just because Tamikosmom has a different opinion does not mean she is in the wrong. 

Every person has their right to feel the way they feel...and never are they in the wrong for feeling that way.

I am glad you are here and look forward to hearing your thoughts on this case.

DMCLEAN42 - thank you.  Welcome to SM!
And Leroy, you're right.  We all get to have our own opinions.  But to be disrespectful is not a good thing, nor is declaring a post on any particular comment as the Post of the Day and then putting a little monkey icon with the tongue sticking out.  But hey -- on a scale of one to 10, this actually doesn't even appear on the scale.
Again, DMCLEAN42. welcome to SM.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 13, 2009, 10:19:19 PM
Wow, thanks for those aerial maps!  It sure helps seeing the area we've been talking about and trying to visualize.  Is Lindsey's house one of those across the street from that green roofed bldg and the open field? 

Am curious about something.  It's been said that perhaps Lindsey went on a motorcycle or ATV or some such.  How would they know that, or could it have been a guess?  Well, maybe the area the scent was in, wasn't accessible by car?   Anyway, a ride on a motorcycle or ATV etc, might sound fun to someone Lindsey's age, and could have been what 'drew' her to maybe accepting a ride home, if she knew the person. 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 10:44:30 PM
Wow, thanks for those aerial maps!  It sure helps seeing the area we've been talking about and trying to visualize.  Is Lindsey's house one of those across the street from that green roofed bldg and the open field? 

Am curious about something.  It's been said that perhaps Lindsey went on a motorcycle or ATV or some such.  How would they know that, or could it have been a guess?  Well, maybe the area the scent was in, wasn't accessible by car?   Anyway, a ride on a motorcycle or ATV etc, might sound fun to someone Lindsey's age, and could have been what 'drew' her to maybe accepting a ride home, if she knew the person. 

 

In my mind I could picture her accepting a motorcycle ride home if offered by someone she recognized.  If so, then would going up 6th, around the factory to Beck, up to 1st and accross to home?  Visually it look possible.

Then an accident happens somewhere along that route?  Or the Mbike takes off on a trail instead of going to home on Mammoset.

Just theorizing... MOO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 10:52:01 PM
Yes, I think Lindseys house is accross from the green roofed building and maybe another block north. But, again, I yield to greater knowledge. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 13, 2009, 11:04:58 PM
Sister.... I have to agree with you.  I feel that tamikosmom is in the wrong.  This is my first time ever commenting on this site.  But for the record, Melissa Baum took a polygraph and PASSED if anybody remembers!  this is why she isn't a suspect!  My goodness!  I live in Washington but not in Mccleary and don't know anybody involved directly, but come on.  People are missing the point.  The point is not to point fingers at the family, it is to find Lindsey alive and bring her home.  Look at the Jaycee Duggard case.  He step dad was blamed by outsiders all along and he was innocent.  She was alive just minutes from her home.  So nobody should give up hope, just remember what is important.

Welcome DMCLEAN42!

As I'm sure you are aware, this is a forum where each individual is free to express their opinions.  Just because Tamikosmom has a different opinion does not mean she is in the wrong. 

Every person has their right to feel the way they feel...and never are they in the wrong for feeling that way.

I am glad you are here and look forward to hearing your thoughts on this case.

DMCLEAN42 - thank you.  Welcome to SM!
And Leroy, you're right.  We all get to have our own opinions.  But to be disrespectful is not a good thing, nor is declaring a post on any particular comment as the Post of the Day and then putting a little monkey icon with the tongue sticking out.  But hey -- on a scale of one to 10, this actually doesn't even appear on the scale.
Again, DMCLEAN42. welcome to SM.


Sister, I apologize for offending you.  In future I can omit emoticons.  The one you cite is a kissing monkey, but little matter. 

My post was only intended to support one which expressed a desire to treat each other with respect and respect differing opinions.    JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 13, 2009, 11:44:03 PM
OK, enough is enough.....

IMPO.... this is an opinion forum and as such everyone is entitled to their version (period)

It does not matter if someone declares their post the post of the day or adds smileys to their posts on this forum (period)

Anything posted on here is for the cause of finding out where LB is and who took her (period)

We are not here to fight about other peoples comments, thoughts or questions (period)

I am not yelling ( well maybe a tad..lol) but it has to stop

We are not helping LB with all the bickering that is going on in here and this forum it is not about someone trying to feel important in the information shared on here either.

It is not about I spoke to so and so or I will do such and such or anything remotely like that in the effort to figure out the puzzle of LB going missing

I know I try to find the answers to my questions before I ask them by using searches.

I am not always the best researcher but I do give it my all

That is what we need to do here... give it our all to the best of our ability without fear of anyone reprimanding us for our thought or questions

We have to try to become a discussion group about information without the people bashing that I have been witnessing

If I have ticked everyone off I am sorry and If I have said something to get me banned ... so be it but it had to be said

I personally appreciate everyone that adds any information or questions to this forum

IMPO
~KONA~



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 13, 2009, 11:54:08 PM
Sister.... I have to agree with you.  I feel that tamikosmom is in the wrong.  This is my first time ever commenting on this site.  But for the record, Melissa Baum took a polygraph and PASSED if anybody remembers!  this is why she isn't a suspect!  My goodness!  I live in Washington but not in Mccleary and don't know anybody involved directly, but come on.  People are missing the point.  The point is not to point fingers at the family, it is to find Lindsey alive and bring her home.  Look at the Jaycee Duggard case.  He step dad was blamed by outsiders all along and he was innocent.  She was alive just minutes from her home.  So nobody should give up hope, just remember what is important.

Welcome DMCLEAN42!

As I'm sure you are aware, this is a forum where each individual is free to express their opinions.  Just because Tamikosmom has a different opinion does not mean she is in the wrong. 

Every person has their right to feel the way they feel...and never are they in the wrong for feeling that way.

I am glad you are here and look forward to hearing your thoughts on this case.

DMCLEAN42 - thank you.  Welcome to SM!
And Leroy, you're right.  We all get to have our own opinions.  But to be disrespectful is not a good thing, nor is declaring a post on any particular comment as the Post of the Day and then putting a little monkey icon with the tongue sticking out.  But hey -- on a scale of one to 10, this actually doesn't even appear on the scale.
Again, DMCLEAN42. welcome to SM.


Sister, I apologize for offending you.  In future I can omit emoticons.  The one you cite is a kissing monkey, but little matter. 

My post was only intended to support one which expressed a desire to treat each other with respect and respect differing opinions.    JMO

Dear Chi, no problem as I hadn't even noticed your kissing monkey
 :smt056
I am very much into respect.
:wink:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 14, 2009, 12:24:56 AM
Yes, I think Lindseys house is accross from the green roofed building and maybe another block north. But, again, I yield to greater knowledge. 

Oh and Chi, o/t you have the cutest avaie.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 14, 2009, 01:50:25 AM
Yes, I think Lindseys house is accross from the green roofed building and maybe another block north. But, again, I yield to greater knowledge. 
Spot on.  MB's house I believe is right where you identifed.  I am not exactly sure which one it is, but I believe at the intersection of 1st street and Mommsen right where you said.  Some local could identify the exact house.  The museum is the second house due west of the green roofed building up 2ed St. on the north side  I love this photo, it is so much eaiser than looking at a map.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 02:55:51 AM
ok, thanks chi and shortcake.  was thinking that's about where her house is. 

after looking at the map, am not so sure that she would have been walking up 1st from her house toward beck.  it looks sooooo far, and it was getting dark. 

getting a ride on a motorcycle/atv, from someone she knew, i can see that happening.  even if the person told her that they'd just take a lil spin out in the dirt or something, before taking her home.  but then never did.  that makes more sense than someone from out of town cruising along and grabbing her off the road, without her screaming or anything.  imo. 

now.... perhaps her family and friends can (if they haven't already) brainstorm to see if there's anyone they know of, that lindsey knew, who has a motorcycle or atv. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 14, 2009, 03:25:31 AM
ok, thanks chi and shortcake.  was thinking that's about where her house is. 

after looking at the map, am not so sure that she would have been walking up 1st from her house toward beck.  it looks sooooo far, and it was getting dark. 

getting a ride on a motorcycle/atv, from someone she knew, i can see that happening.  even if the person told her that they'd just take a lil spin out in the dirt or something, before taking her home.  but then never did.  that makes more sense than someone from out of town cruising along and grabbing her off the road, without her screaming or anything.  imo. 

now.... perhaps her family and friends can (if they haven't already) brainstorm to see if there's anyone they know of, that lindsey knew, who has a motorcycle or atv. 
 
I think you my be on to something.  I drove through there one afternoon and noticed the lack of any developement.  Not a place anyone would want to be after dark.  The same with 6th st.  Open field on the left and trees on the right and uphill for a couple of blocks.  If she was on either of these streets that time of the evening, she is more brave than I am.  I would much rather traverse through a known neighborhood of friendly houses than a path with nothing on it.  If you know what I mean.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 14, 2009, 03:59:26 AM
This has been eating on me for a while would like to post to see if anyone feels the same.  On 7/7 Reply #1515 in response to if Kara's family was checked out, Kara answered among other things " Polygraph(for Scott - probably because he is the only one who can drive,,,.  WHAT??  Do only drivers lie?  I thought polygraph tests were are about truth.  An investigative tool to to see if you are telling the truth.  It helps LE in narrowing their search.  Not if you did it.  Some people dont tell the truth for whatever reason.  Melissa and Scott volunteered for the polygraph and passed within a few days after the disappearence of Lindsey.  I thought I read Kara volunteered for the test also.  If so, I am sure she got one.  What were the results?  How about Marilyn?  Anyone know of any more than Melissa and Scott?  I am sure there are more than two that took polygraph tests ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::.  If Kara can't post for whatever reason(a month), maybe DD can get the answere and report it.  Reading some of Kara's past posts has sent up a few red flags.  I would sure like to clear it up and move on. I have spent all day reading past posts and I am tired.  Think I will tun in and try again tomorrow.  Maybe I will wake up and everything will be clear.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 14, 2009, 07:11:39 AM
One last post.  This is what I think probably took place by reading earlier posts and questions.  Original plan was for Josh and Lindsey to walk Kala home, then Josh and Lindsey would walk back home together.  Safety in numbers.  This would explain why Lindsey left her phone and PJ's home.  Also why they never called first to see if Lindsey could stay overnight.  No plan to stay overnight.  However, on the way, Josh and Lindsey got into an argument and Josh was sent home.  Now only Kala and Lindsey.  Thinking like a 10 year old, I think they decided maybe Lindsey could stay overnight and she would not have walk home alone.  No, so Lindsey headed home.  She was only there a few minutes remember and it was getting late.  She had to get home before dark, so she would have taken the shortest route home.  Her plan would be down Maple, thru the Shell station and down Mommsen st. to home and safety.  Quickly as she was alone and it was late.  She was seen between 5th and 6th but not the Shell station video, so I believe what ever happened to her happened between 5th and 3rd street.  A two block area.  I think she may have been picked up by someone she trusted to give her a ride home.  Being alone, late and 10, she definately would be somewhat afraid.  It is a fairly long walk.  Five blocks looks to be pretty far.  Does anybody know if there is a standard for block length or is it like grave sites.  A hundred years ago a grave site was twice the size of them now.  Land didn't matter.  I walk 5 blocks frequently and it seems to be a lot shorter than a Mccleary block.  Maybe just an illusion because of open lots.  I have a theory of what happened next involving a quad or MC, but will remain quit as it seems to be pretty far out.  I do feel pretty strongly about what the kids planned that night.  Any thought?  I hope I am not out of line, if so let me know.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 14, 2009, 09:52:20 AM
If Lindsey accepted a ride on a motorcycle you would think someone would have heard one, at least I would think, and if she did, she definitly knew the person on the cycle.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 14, 2009, 09:54:32 AM
This has been eating on me for a while would like to post to see if anyone feels the same.  On 7/7 Reply #1515 in response to if Kara's family was checked out, Kara answered among other things " Polygraph(for Scott - probably because he is the only one who can drive,,,.  WHAT??  Do only drivers lie?  I thought polygraph tests were are about truth.  An investigative tool to to see if you are telling the truth.  It helps LE in narrowing their search.  Not if you did it.  Some people dont tell the truth for whatever reason.  Melissa and Scott volunteered for the polygraph and passed within a few days after the disappearence of Lindsey.  I thought I read Kara volunteered for the test also.  If so, I am sure she got one.  What were the results?  How about Marilyn?  Anyone know of any more than Melissa and Scott?  I am sure there are more than two that took polygraph tests ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::.  If Kara can't post for whatever reason(a month), maybe DD can get the answere and report it.  Reading some of Kara's past posts has sent up a few red flags.  I would sure like to clear it up and move on. I have spent all day reading past posts and I am tired.  Think I will tun in and try again tomorrow.  Maybe I will wake up and everything will be clear.  Shortcake
I kept it quiet, but I'm with you many things that Kara said sent up red flags, I can't explain it, just I'm uncomfortable about some of the things she has said.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 11:17:23 AM
This has been eating on me for a while would like to post to see if anyone feels the same.  On 7/7 Reply #1515 in response to if Kara's family was checked out, Kara answered among other things " Polygraph(for Scott - probably because he is the only one who can drive,,,.  WHAT??  Do only drivers lie?  I thought polygraph tests were are about truth.  An investigative tool to to see if you are telling the truth.  It helps LE in narrowing their search.  Not if you did it.  Some people dont tell the truth for whatever reason.  Melissa and Scott volunteered for the polygraph and passed within a few days after the disappearence of Lindsey.  I thought I read Kara volunteered for the test also.  If so, I am sure she got one.  What were the results?  How about Marilyn?  Anyone know of any more than Melissa and Scott?  I am sure there are more than two that took polygraph tests ::MonkeyConfused:: ::MonkeyConfused::.  If Kara can't post for whatever reason(a month), maybe DD can get the answere and report it.  Reading some of Kara's past posts has sent up a few red flags.  I would sure like to clear it up and move on. I have spent all day reading past posts and I am tired.  Think I will tun in and try again tomorrow.  Maybe I will wake up and everything will be clear.  Shortcake

Shortcase

I realized that law dictated that a polygraph cannot be forced but ... I cannot comprehend was all who had a connection or were to have a connection with Lindey Baum on the evening that she went missing where not reguested by the FBI/LE to take a polygraph.  Think about it.  The "expert" call in into to assist with the investigation claimed early on that all known info indicates that foul play occured at the hands of someone known to Lindsey.

However ... the words of Sheriff Rick Scott appear to indicate that volunteering for a polygraph was where it was at.

Janet

++++++


KOMO NEWS – JULY 2, 2009

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


KING 5 NEW - JUNE 30, 2009

Baum says she volunteered to take a polygraph late today. She wanted to clear herself, although police tell us she is not a suspect.

"I don't want people saying oh maybe the mom got mad at her and stashed her and now saying she ran away, I don't want anything like that," says Baum. "I want everyone to know my daughter is missing."

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html
 
 
KOMO NEWS - JULY 1, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization ...

The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 11:31:18 AM
Shortcake

It is the LE ... as well as the FBI .... who were assisting in the initial states of the investigation that I fault.

The following words of Kara Kampen imply that she is waiting for the FBI/LE to "request" a polygraph from her.

When it is considered that Kara claims to have volunteered to take a polygraph ... logic dictates that ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI would be at her door with a vehicle offering to drive her to the police station.

I somehow do not suspect Kara Kampen or Scott Williams.  However ... I could be wrong.  IF THE WITNESS STATEMENTS ARE CREDIBLE regarding the sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple ... the timeframe computes as far as when Kara and Scott claim Lindsey set off for home on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

+++++

Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 14, 2009, 12:53:54 PM
So sorry for not  updating sooner... I know I have been off for a while but not out of the Lindsey case. My friend and I helped others hold a teen dance to raise money for the search of Lindsey. I really have had no time with school and dance starting. I just want you to know I am always thinking of new things I can do to help bring Sweet Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 01:33:00 PM
In the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not requested from Melissa Baum, Kara Kampen and Scott Williams within the 24 hours period IMMEDIATELY following the disappearance of this 10 year old little girl.  Kara and Scott witnessed Lindsey leave their residence on her way home to home where her mom would be waiting.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 14, 2009, 01:33:49 PM
So sorry for not  updating sooner... I know I have been off for a while but not out of the Lindsey case. My friend and I helped others hold a teen dance to raise money for the search of Lindsey. I really have had no time with school and dance starting. I just want you to know I am always thinking of new things I can do to help bring Sweet Lindsey home.
Very thoughtful and appreciated, thank-you  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 14, 2009, 01:34:35 PM
In the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not requested from Melissa Baum, Kara Kampen and Scott Williams within the 24 hours period IMMEDIATELY following the disappearance of this 10 year old little girl.  Kara and Scott witnessed Lindsey leave their residence on her way home to home where her mom would be waiting.

 ::MonkeyMad::

Janet
I have no idea  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 14, 2009, 02:21:16 PM
That is a great question Janet  ::MonkeyNoNo::
Why haven't all involved taken the LD test ?

Good Job  ::MonkeyCheer4::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 02:57:03 PM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 03:00:36 PM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


i mentioned in the above KKs 'husband'.  Not sure if Scott is her husband or boyfriend.. but that's who I was referring to. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 14, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I feel the exact same way, well I don't drive much, so I guess if anything comes up like that and I'm in the same position as KK I guess I won't take one either. That's how silly that seems to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 03:10:39 PM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I feel the exact same way, well I don't drive much, so I guess if anything comes up like that and I'm in the same position as KK I guess I won't take one either. That's how silly that seems to me.

Yeppers!!   ::MonkeyHaHa::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 14, 2009, 03:18:02 PM
The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.
There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
snipped:
"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I’m not at liberty to discuss just how many people we’ve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . ."

want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . We’ve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, there’s a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, it’s on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 14, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
Initially, IIRC LE was looking for a vehicle . . . consequently . . .
karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »

No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time. It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

because it is an ongoing investigation, there are some people close to the investigation who have been asked not to reveal everything they know as this may help the perp to avoid being arrested.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 03:45:11 PM
Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 14, 2009, 03:48:57 PM
Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 


In deed Wyks, you be quite welcome!
I too wish LE would be a little more forthcoming, however, if it would jeopardize finding Lindsey and bringing her home, I try to understand even when I don't like it.  It does get frustrating and confusing.
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 14, 2009, 04:56:06 PM
Hmmmmm... Thanks Sister! 


In deed Wyks, you be quite welcome!
I too wish LE would be a little more forthcoming, however, if it would jeopardize finding Lindsey and bringing her home, I try to understand even when I don't like it.  It does get frustrating and confusing.
 ::MonkeyJustice::

Yeppers, definitely frustrating!!  Seems the more we hear, the more confusing it all becomes.  I just wanna know what LE knows.  Be a lil fly on the wall or some such.  But yeah, wouldn't want to have anything jeopardized.  Sigh. 

Patience is NOT my virtue.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 05:38:29 PM
The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.

There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
snipped:

"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I’m not at liberty to discuss just how many people we’ve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . .

want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . We’ve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, there’s a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, it’s on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."

Sister ... I would appreciate for my records if you could provide the publication/radio source of the above statement.  I did attempt to find the source myself by googling but ... nothing.

If Rick Scott has implied that there were more polygraph of persons of interest in the Lindsey Baum case ... it is definitely assurance that the investigation is ongoing behind the scenes.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 14, 2009, 05:43:37 PM
One last post.  This is what I think probably took place by reading earlier posts and questions.  Original plan was for Josh and Lindsey to walk Kala home, then Josh and Lindsey would walk back home together.  Safety in numbers.  This would explain why Lindsey left her phone and PJ's home.  Also why they never called first to see if Lindsey could stay overnight.  No plan to stay overnight.  However, on the way, Josh and Lindsey got into an argument and Josh was sent home.  Now only Kala and Lindsey.  Thinking like a 10 year old, I think they decided maybe Lindsey could stay overnight and she would not have walk home alone.  No, so Lindsey headed home.  She was only there a few minutes remember and it was getting late.  She had to get home before dark, so she would have taken the shortest route home.  Her plan would be down Maple, thru the Shell station and down Mommsen st. to home and safety.  Quickly as she was alone and it was late.  She was seen between 5th and 6th but not the Shell station video, so I believe what ever happened to her happened between 5th and 3rd street.  A two block area.  I think she may have been picked up by someone she trusted to give her a ride home.  Being alone, late and 10, she definately would be somewhat afraid.  It is a fairly long walk.  Five blocks looks to be pretty far.  Does anybody know if there is a standard for block length or is it like grave sites.  A hundred years ago a grave site was twice the size of them now.  Land didn't matter.  I walk 5 blocks frequently and it seems to be a lot shorter than a Mccleary block.  Maybe just an illusion because of open lots.  I have a theory of what happened next involving a quad or MC, but will remain quit as it seems to be pretty far out.  I do feel pretty strongly about what the kids planned that night.  Any thought?  I hope I am not out of line, if so let me know.  Shortcake
The way KaraK tells it is:
1)KaraK's daughter,Kayla,stayed the night at Lindsey's Thursday night.
2)Lindsey and Kayla was going to ask if Kayla could stay again Friday night.
3)Josh,Lindsey and Kayla were arguing about the bike on the way to KaraK's home,left bike at Shell station and all 3 continued walking to KaraK's house but still arguing about the left bike.
4)Family friend saw kids arguing,sent Josh home then texted(from JenniferO at WS)Melissa Baum and told her about the fight and she was sending Josh home,Melissa agreed that Josh should be sent home.
5)After Josh was sent home the girls kept walking to KaraK's house and on the way decided to ask instead if Lindsey could stay at Kayla's that night(Friday).
6)KaraK said no to Lindsey staying and said the girls acted like it didn't matter because they really wanted Lindsey to stay Saturday night.
7)Lindsey headed home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 14, 2009, 05:47:22 PM
So sorry for not  updating sooner... I know I have been off for a while but not out of the Lindsey case. My friend and I helped others hold a teen dance to raise money for the search of Lindsey. I really have had no time with school and dance starting. I just want you to know I am always thinking of new things I can do to help bring Sweet Lindsey home.
Good to see you MadiBabe.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 14, 2009, 05:54:09 PM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I feel the same....KaraK could walk the couple of blocks down to the police station and it wouldn't even be as long as the walk Lindsey had going home from her house.
I think the reason KaraK gave for not taking the poly,the no driving thing,was meant because whoever took Lindsey must have driven her out of town.ICBW though.I still say all the adults around Lindsey should have taken a poly whether they drive or not and whether they are male or female.
As far as I know only Melissa Baum and Scott Williams have taken the test.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 14, 2009, 06:04:17 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 07:07:20 PM
Karma

When it is considered that Kara claims to have volunteered to take a polygraph ... logic dictates that ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI would be at her door with a vehicle offering to drive her to the police station.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 14, 2009, 07:15:09 PM
Karma

When it is considered that Kara claims to have volunteered to take a polygraph ... logic dictates that ... in the process of elimination ... LE/FBI would be at her door with a vehicle offering to drive her to the police station.

Janet


True,now I suppose we'll hear she either did offer to take it but LE said no or that she did already take one.    ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 14, 2009, 07:17:54 PM
KARAK - POLYGRAPH

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1515 on: July 07, 2009, 12:00:19 PM »


Well I don't think mammacrazy30's post should be deleted because it is her opinion although I am not sure what question she is referencing to needing an answer on - but if it is directed at me then by all means please re-post because I have not a clue what you are referring to.

As far as my family being checked out I guess that depends on what you consider being checked out - if background check, criminal record and history checks, numerous home checks, vehicle check, numerous property checks, polygraph (for Scott - probably cause he's the only one who can drive and I was in the process of writing and drafting several articles), numerous FBI interviews, numerous police interviews, numerous sheriff's dept interviews, search dogs, phone records, copy of computer hard drives and such then I would say yes we have been checked out pretty thoroughly.

I like the fact that you guys are open in your processes and ideas and I agree that everyone needs to be looked at thoroughly regardless of who they are and I don't think you should be shy in looking into that or being open with your opinions. Not easy from this side but understandable especially after reading about some of the past cases you guys have dealt with-

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868081;topicseen#msg868081


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Quote from: sunshine12 on July 05, 2009, 08:44:03 PM

kara-you said you did volunteer to take a poly, i know this is prob a stupid question but did you actually take the poly or just volunteer to take it, and if you did take it did u pass?


karak
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1200 on: July 05, 2009, 08:57:59 PM »


No its not a stupid question. I have not been asked to go in and take one yet. That may have more to do with the fact that I don't drive or own a vehicle or the fact that I believe they checked the time via my computer on articles that I was writing and submitting at that time.  It is still in the air though and they can come in at anytime and have me come in and take one.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.1200



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 14, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 15, 2009, 12:57:09 AM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I feel the same....KaraK could walk the couple of blocks down to the police station and it wouldn't even be as long as the walk Lindsey had going home from her house.
I think the reason KaraK gave for not taking the poly,the no driving thing,was meant because whoever took Lindsey must have driven her out of town.ICBW though.I still say all the adults around Lindsey should have taken a poly whether they drive or not and whether they are male or female.
As far as I know only Melissa Baum and Scott Williams have taken the test.

Thanks Karma, I was wondering how far it was to the police station.  I agree, that could have been the reason KK didn't take the poly.  Except that info on who was driving isn't all that the poly is about, IMO.  I suppose there are all sorts of questions asked on a poly, driving likely being one of them, so also could be if the person 'knows' about anyone else possibly having picked up Lindsey.   And measuring statements on other things that the person has given.  It's not all about driving, I would think.  And IMO, for KK to focus on ONLY the driving part... seems... odd.

So they only give polys to adults?  Not to teens.... ??  As in perhaps her brother? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 15, 2009, 12:58:54 AM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!

Great idea, Sebastian!  Wish I knew how to do all that. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 05:21:04 AM
I wanted to post this post before it disappeared from IS forum.

A post from Lindsey's Mom,Melissa in response to her having Michelle Bart(gag) from Helping Hero's helping her out with the search for Lindsey.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LindseysMom:

I am Lindsey Baum's mother, I have not and will not be a regular poster to these blogs; however I would like to dispel a few rumors here on this thread:
You heard that nontaxable forms were being filled out for what reason?? and which circus are you implying?

For starters no one is paying Michelle Bart for ANY services at all in regards to my daughter Lindsey Baum, nor am I making any money from the media or anyone else. Michelle Bart has not asked for any money ever from me or even discussed "costs". She did come up this past weekend to volunteer for a search which I appreciate. She did not fly in, she lives local and drove out to McCleary only to help search! I have not signed any paperwork as was stated on this forum..
I have not and will not refuse any services that may assist in finding my daughter. This includes other national search organizations!
I don't personally believe that this is something to be looked down upon nor something that should be getting so blown out of proportion. For some here I know the concern is based on a genuine concern for Me and my daughter but some have taken rumor and simply ran with it. I pray that rumor was not started simply out of spite for Michelle Bart or me because there is no room or need for that in the search for my daughter. Lindsey is and should be the focus right?

As far as posting information online>
Do you really think posting any findings whether its from someone who is a registered searcher or someone searching on their own should post their findings???
I would hope not! This would only harm the investigation, and it is my understanding that if someone does this and it is related to Lindsey's case or another case for that matter, they can be charged with impeding a Federal Investigation.
There are REASONS the searchers are instructed not to post or share information with ANYONE. There is a very good chance that the person who has my child could be reading these blogs. Has that not occurred to you?? By sharing information on here, it would be a big fat warning to that person/persons. Also, there is other cases still open that aren't related to Lindsey, such as Nancy Moyer, and others. So something found that isn't related to my daughter could be related to another case, and should be treated the same way.

I don't mean this to sound harsh, only to get across the importance of these searches and the confidentiality of their findings!
As to the post about why I am searching. I do not expect searchers to find my childs body, as I truely believe she is still alive. My goal in these searches is to find something that can lead us to finding her or her abductor.

I would like to thank everyone who has come out to help in these searches. You have no idea the gratitude I feel for you all!
The same goes for those who have donated, time, services, money, etc.
And for those of you who would like to but are unable for whatever reason, just keeping my daughter in your prayers means the world to me!
Thank you all!
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http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=41


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 05:39:35 AM
It seems in most cases, family members and those who 'last saw' the missing person, are either asked by LE or volunteer for the LD test.  Watching their reactions to taking it is sometimes interesting and revealing.  Seems to me that those who have nothing to hide would want to get that out of the way quickly, so that LE can move on in their process of eliminating suspects.  Those who hesitate to take that test are the first ones I stop and wonder about, no matter what their reasons are for hesitating. 

I dunno what to think/feel about KK.  If it is as she says, that she doesn't drive, so doesn't have a ride, well......  it's been how long now??  Tell me there's NO ONE in town that couldn't have given her a ride for that?  For that matter why didn't she go when her husband went?  And as another monkey pointed out already, LE themselves would have given her a ride.   ::MonkeyNoNo::   ::MonkeyConfused::   

For all that KK seems to have done to help in this case, one would think she would have BEGAN by taking the LD test along with the rest of em.  And until she does take that test, IMO, well...  it's going to be hard for me to believe anything else she does and says.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

I feel the same....KaraK could walk the couple of blocks down to the police station and it wouldn't even be as long as the walk Lindsey had going home from her house.
I think the reason KaraK gave for not taking the poly,the no driving thing,was meant because whoever took Lindsey must have driven her out of town.ICBW though.I still say all the adults around Lindsey should have taken a poly whether they drive or not and whether they are male or female.
As far as I know only Melissa Baum and Scott Williams have taken the test.

Thanks Karma, I was wondering how far it was to the police station.  I agree, that could have been the reason KK didn't take the poly.  Except that info on who was driving isn't all that the poly is about, IMO.  I suppose there are all sorts of questions asked on a poly, driving likely being one of them, so also could be if the person 'knows' about anyone else possibly having picked up Lindsey.   And measuring statements on other things that the person has given.  It's not all about driving, I would think.  And IMO, for KK to focus on ONLY the driving part... seems... odd.

So they only give polys to adults?  Not to teens.... ??  As in perhaps her brother? 


I agree Wykes,driving or having access to a car shouldn't have anything to do with if you take a poly or not.IMO all adults and teens should have been questioned and perhaps poly'd.
With Josh,it was said here and there that he does have a juvi record,that he has Aspergers and other mental/emotional problems but I don't know for sure about all that.IF that is true,maybe that would have hindered him taking a poly?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Thanks Karma for the post of Melissas.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 10:18:10 AM
I wanted to post this post before it disappeared from IS forum.

A post from Lindsey's Mom,Melissa in response to her having Michelle Bart(gag) from Helping Hero's helping her out with the search for Lindsey.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LindseysMom:

I am Lindsey Baum's mother, I have not and will not be a regular poster to these blogs; however I would like to dispel a few rumors here on this thread:
You heard that nontaxable forms were being filled out for what reason?? and which circus are you implying?

For starters no one is paying Michelle Bart for ANY services at all in regards to my daughter Lindsey Baum, nor am I making any money from the media or anyone else. Michelle Bart has not asked for any money ever from me or even discussed "costs". She did come up this past weekend to volunteer for a search which I appreciate. She did not fly in, she lives local and drove out to McCleary only to help search! I have not signed any paperwork as was stated on this forum..
I have not and will not refuse any services that may assist in finding my daughter. This includes other national search organizations!
I don't personally believe that this is something to be looked down upon nor something that should be getting so blown out of proportion. For some here I know the concern is based on a genuine concern for Me and my daughter but some have taken rumor and simply ran with it. I pray that rumor was not started simply out of spite for Michelle Bart or me because there is no room or need for that in the search for my daughter. Lindsey is and should be the focus right?

As far as posting information online>

Do you really think posting any findings whether its from someone who is a registered searcher or someone searching on their own should post their findings???

I would hope not! This would only harm the investigation, and it is my understanding that if someone does this and it is related to Lindsey's case or another case for that matter, they can be charged with impeding a Federal Investigation.

There are REASONS the searchers are instructed not to post or share information with ANYONE. There is a very good chance that the person who has my child could be reading these blogs. Has that not occurred to you?? By sharing information on here, it would be a big fat warning to that person/persons. Also, there is other cases still open that aren't related to Lindsey, such as Nancy Moyer, and others. So something found that isn't related to my daughter could be related to another case, and should be treated the same way.

I don't mean this to sound harsh, only to get across the importance of these searches and the confidentiality of their findings!
As to the post about why I am searching. I do not expect searchers to find my childs body, as I truely believe she is still alive. My goal in these searches is to find something that can lead us to finding her or her abductor.

I would like to thank everyone who has come out to help in these searches. You have no idea the gratitude I feel for you all!
The same goes for those who have donated, time, services, money, etc.
And for those of you who would like to but are unable for whatever reason, just keeping my daughter in your prayers means the world to me!
Thank you all!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=41


That you Karma

IF there was no confidentiality agreement and Ken Oakes did not receive any monies from Melissa Baum ... I assume the search could be considered a private search conducted by a professional.

Considering 2 1/2 months have passed since Ken Oakes submitted his July 2, 2009  report to the McCleary LE regarding his June 28, 2009 canine search and nothing has been forthcoming ... maybe this is behind the decision to release the revelation that his dog/s detected a death scent on Beck Street.  It must be remembered that Mr. Oakes made it clear that a death scent implies the presence of a body but ... not necessarily the body of Lindsey Baum.

Think about the Caylee Marie Anthony case.  Tim Miller gave updates on the talk show circuit following each search ... updates informing all who would listen regarding "ping" locations that were being focused on prior to the discovery of the little girl's remains.  I cannot remember one objection to these updates.

Janet

+++++

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:20:15 AM
When compared to the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... the silence from the McCleary LE in regards to all aspects of the Lindsey Baum case is very troubling.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 11:50:13 AM
When compared to the Caylee Marie Anthony case ... the silence from the McCleary LE in regards to all aspects of the Lindsey Baum case is very troubling.

IMO

Janet


IMO the ball has been dropped pretty much from the beginning.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 12:26:39 PM
I think that LE in McCleary is not much different from LE in Escondido with regards to the Amber Dubois case. They just do not have the experience or the resources to do this case. Then the local cops do not welcome outside LE agencies and no one seems to want to work together. Everyone plays politics and is territorial. Who ends up the losers? The missing children and their families. I have mentioned this book before. "Stalemate". It is a true story about all of the missing girls in Northern California in the late 80's. Warning: It really gets you even more frustrated with LE. It takes you into the politics and infighting amongst all of the LE agencies and shows how they drop the ball, don't share info, etc etc. So many outside organizations have popped up since then. Why? Because the people who are supposed to be doing their jobs are not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 12:50:46 PM
I think that LE in McCleary is not much different from LE in Escondido with regards to the Amber Dubois case. They just do not have the experience or the resources to do this case. Then the local cops do not welcome outside LE agencies and no one seems to want to work together. Everyone plays politics and is territorial. Who ends up the losers? The missing children and their families. I have mentioned this book before. "Stalemate". It is a true story about all of the missing girls in Northern California in the late 80's. Warning: It really gets you even more frustrated with LE. It takes you into the politics and infighting amongst all of the LE agencies and shows how they drop the ball, don't share info, etc etc. So many outside organizations have popped up since then. Why? Because the people who are supposed to be doing their jobs are not.

Thank you Sebastian.

In the TIMELINES AND THEORIES thread I just submitted a post regarding the underlying reason why McCleary LE ... in the process of elimination ... appeared to distance the family of Lindsey Baum from persons of interest from the getgo.

I could be wrong and ... stuff is going on behind the scenes that have never been revealed.

Janet

++++++

Tamikosmom
Re: TIMELINES AND THEORIES
« Reply #149 on: Today at 03:04:01 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.140


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 02:34:14 PM
Hi Janet,
I can see your point. I too was very suspicious of the family in the beginning. I still would not rule anything out at this point. If JB did something to LB, even by accident, how would they dispose of the body? Neither LB or KK had a working vehicle at the time. I also know a child who has some of the same problems as JB. He would never be able to keep a secret like that. No way, no how. I can only go by what I have learned. MB is bi-polar which would explain why her actions in the beginning were so out of the norm. I am sure the disappearance of her daughter through her into a deep depression. I am not bi-polar, but if one of my children vanished, I am not sure that I would be able to function at all. I was also told that KK is the only person who has consistently shown up to help at the searches, etc. When Carrie, Amber's mom went to McCleary, she stated that KK was wonderful. Why KK has not taken a poly, I don't know. Maybe LE asked Scott, KK's boyfriend pointed questions, such as did KK have anything to do with it? I do not know any of these people from Adam. Any of them could be involved. I personally just don't think it was JB or MB unless LB is alive and well and this was set up for a money making scam. Even that seems really far fetched at this point. I am truly stumped.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 15, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!

Ricky Rat is what locals know that guy as. There was a man found murdered in a van in front of his old restaurant. I thought his business used to be on Maple? That place got closed down a couple years ago.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 15, 2009, 04:05:46 PM
I wanted to post this post before it disappeared from IS forum.

A post from Lindsey's Mom,Melissa in response to her having Michelle Bart(gag) from Helping Hero's helping her out with the search for Lindsey.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
LindseysMom:

I am Lindsey Baum's mother, I have not and will not be a regular poster to these blogs; however I would like to dispel a few rumors here on this thread:
You heard that nontaxable forms were being filled out for what reason?? and which circus are you implying?

For starters no one is paying Michelle Bart for ANY services at all in regards to my daughter Lindsey Baum, nor am I making any money from the media or anyone else. Michelle Bart has not asked for any money ever from me or even discussed "costs". She did come up this past weekend to volunteer for a search which I appreciate. She did not fly in, she lives local and drove out to McCleary only to help search! I have not signed any paperwork as was stated on this forum..
I have not and will not refuse any services that may assist in finding my daughter. This includes other national search organizations!
I don't personally believe that this is something to be looked down upon nor something that should be getting so blown out of proportion. For some here I know the concern is based on a genuine concern for Me and my daughter but some have taken rumor and simply ran with it. I pray that rumor was not started simply out of spite for Michelle Bart or me because there is no room or need for that in the search for my daughter. Lindsey is and should be the focus right?

As far as posting information online>
Do you really think posting any findings whether its from someone who is a registered searcher or someone searching on their own should post their findings???
I would hope not! This would only harm the investigation, and it is my understanding that if someone does this and it is related to Lindsey's case or another case for that matter, they can be charged with impeding a Federal Investigation.
There are REASONS the searchers are instructed not to post or share information with ANYONE. There is a very good chance that the person who has my child could be reading these blogs. Has that not occurred to you?? By sharing information on here, it would be a big fat warning to that person/persons. Also, there is other cases still open that aren't related to Lindsey, such as Nancy Moyer, and others. So something found that isn't related to my daughter could be related to another case, and should be treated the same way.

I don't mean this to sound harsh, only to get across the importance of these searches and the confidentiality of their findings!
As to the post about why I am searching. I do not expect searchers to find my childs body, as I truely believe she is still alive. My goal in these searches is to find something that can lead us to finding her or her abductor.

I would like to thank everyone who has come out to help in these searches. You have no idea the gratitude I feel for you all!
The same goes for those who have donated, time, services, money, etc.
And for those of you who would like to but are unable for whatever reason, just keeping my daughter in your prayers means the world to me!
Thank you all!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=355444&page=41


Yeah, I agree with the post 150%. Law enforcement shouldn't release information regarding what leads they may have. The only time should be if they have made an arrest. But I think even before that happens, Lindsey needs to be found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 04:40:17 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!
I can't seem to find anything on a Richard Lasley but the Next Door Cafe is located at 137 Main(3rd)street.If Lindsey would have walked all the way to 3rd st on Maple st and made a slight right around the corner to get to Mommsen st. she would have walked right by this place.

Next Door Cafe137 Main St, McCleary, WA
Tel: (360) 495-4445


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 05:01:05 PM
If you google washington court records, one of them allows you to look up people for free. When I googled Lasley his name came up ALOT. I just don't know what all of the Washington State court codes mean.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 05:03:54 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!

Ricky Rat is what locals know that guy as. There was a man found murdered in a van in front of his old restaurant. I thought his business used to be on Maple? That place got closed down a couple years ago.

He has a really long court record. Do you know anything about him?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 05:10:48 PM
If you google washington court records, one of them allows you to look up people for free. When I googled Lasley his name came up ALOT. I just don't know what all of the Washington State court codes mean.
I'm still not finding anything,could you post a link to the court info?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 15, 2009, 05:25:54 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 15, 2009, 05:27:45 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 05:30:30 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
Wow,dang.
Thanks Sister


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 05:31:43 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 15, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
The State of Florida has Sunshine Laws, the State of Washington does not.  Huge difference which translates that LE is not required to keep inquiring eyes and minds informed of what they have done, are doing, and will do in the future.  To suggest they have fallen down on the job is to assume they have shared all their information.  As previously shared, they have phone numbers, e-mail addresses, and tip lines that can be used.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 06:14:52 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 15, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!

Ricky Rat is what locals know that guy as. There was a man found murdered in a van in front of his old restaurant. I thought his business used to be on Maple? That place got closed down a couple years ago.

He has a really long court record. Do you know anything about him?

I have no idea what he has been previously arrested for, my best guess would be drug related crimes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 06:31:44 PM
From what I have been able to find, his father owned "Next Door Cafe" in McCleary at one time. I do not believe that it is still open. It too was on Main St I believe. The father's name was Richard Lasley as well. I am not sure what their middle names are though. I think one of them has the middle name of Lee, but not sure if it is father or son. Son is in his 40's. Father may be deceased.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 15, 2009, 06:33:31 PM
doubledecker-  Please call Kara and Marilyn and asked for results of polygraph.  They trust you.  We know one of them is not truthful.  Scott took it and passed.  Kara volunteered.  I am sure they took her up on the offer.  If not, why?  Kara could walk to the PD or Scott could drive her.  I would like to move on but I am stuck here.  Thanks in advanced.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 06:34:45 PM
http://www.myspace.com/1oldrat I think this is the son "Ricky Rat" Lasley my space account.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 06:44:47 PM
There is something I am not getting Monkeys.

Why are the residences/business on Beck Street being researched.

Harry Oakes' indicates that it was a death scent that his dog/s detected.  Considering Beck Street is past the Baum residence on 1st ... why would Lindsey have been on that street on the evening of June 26, 2009.

I speculate that Lindsey met with foul play somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home and ... then was taken to Beck Street for disposal at some later date.

Who owns a ATM/Quad?

Janet

+++++


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 06:48:22 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I may have missed it, but I do not recall KaraK saying on this forum she received a copy of the report from Mr. Oaks.  She did say she spoke with him.
The witnesses are who KaraK is talking about with the 6th street info, not Mr. Oakes.
It was not until last night that I had ever heard of Beck Street being searched by anyone and it was only until last night that I had ever heard of the "Death Scent" via the e-mail Mr. Oakes sent to Janet and then she posted on the thread.  If this info had been out before, I sure don't recall it and I know for sure that some of us have never researched what even may be on Beck Street.  That was why I was puzzled by its mention.  Course, it may have already been posted on a different forum.
Janet, could you post your original e-mail and the entire e-mail he sent you as his seems to be in mid-thought.  Of course, I know you have to block out your e-mail address.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 15, 2009, 06:48:51 PM
From what I have been able to find, his father owned "Next Door Cafe" in McCleary at one time. I do not believe that it is still open. It too was on Main St I believe. The father's name was Richard Lasley as well. I am not sure what their middle names are though. I think one of them has the middle name of Lee, but not sure if it is father or son. Son is in his 40's. Father may be deceased.
Next Door Cafe is closed and vacant for what it is worth.  Lindsey's path would have taken her right past this closed cafe.  On the other side of Maple and on corner is a large vacant lot.  Cafe is across from the Shell station and kind of kittycorner to the police department.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 15, 2009, 07:01:39 PM
There is something I am not getting Monkeys.

Why are the residences/business on Beck Street being researched.

Harry Oakes' indicates that it was a death scent that his dog/s detected.  Considering Beck Street is past the Baum residence on 1st ... why would Lindsey have been on that street on the evening of June 26, 2009.

I speculate that Lindsey met with foul play somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home and ... then was taken to Beck Street for disposal at some later date.

Who owns a ATM/Quad?

Janet

+++++

Janet, I am leaning the same way as you, but was hesitate to say it.  I hope this is not the case.  I would think it would have to have been the same night because of all the searching the next morning and I don't believe anybody would be brave enough to move her then. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 07:29:55 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 07:30:05 PM
There is something I am not getting Monkeys.

Why are the residences/business on Beck Street being researched.

Harry Oakes' indicates that it was a death scent that his dog/s detected.  Considering Beck Street is past the Baum residence on 1st ... why would Lindsey have been on that street on the evening of June 26, 2009.

I speculate that Lindsey met with foul play somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home and ... then was taken to Beck Street for disposal at some later date.

Who owns a ATM/Quad?

Janet

+++++

Janet, I am leaning the same way as you, but was hesitate to say it.  I hope this is not the case.  I would think it would have to have been the same night because of all the searching the next morning and I don't believe anybody would be brave enough to move her then. 

Shortcake

If I am not misunderstanding and ... we have the same mindset regarding how Lindsey may have met her demise ... the timeframe between the witness sighting at 5th and Maple at 9:30 PM and ... the call by Melissa Baum to Kara Kampen at 9:25 PM is not long enough for foul play in that short distance as well as ... obtaining assistance.

I wish LE would reveal if Josh Baum was at home with Mom when his sister left the Kampen/Williams residence.  When you consider the close proximity of Wayne Watne's residence to the Baum residence ... I wish LE would reveal if Wayne Watne has an alibi for that evening.

Janet

++++

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing  and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 07:35:20 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 07:36:35 PM
I thought I might look into some of the locals who had long court records. There is a Richard Lasley that used to own "The Rat Lounge". He has extensive court documents. His business was at 137 Main St. I have not found anywhere that he is currently married. He appears to be around 43 or so. Can anyone look at the Washington court records online and be able to tell what these court cases are about? I cannot figure out what all of the codes mean. When I say it is a long record, I mean it is REALLY long!
I can't seem to find anything on a Richard Lasley but the Next Door Cafe is located at 137 Main(3rd)street.If Lindsey would have walked all the way to 3rd st on Maple st and made a slight right around the corner to get to Mommsen st. she would have walked right by this place.

Next Door Cafe137 Main St, McCleary, WA
Tel: (360) 495-4445

Bumping this up


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 07:45:43 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet


Ahh,I understand and you know me from posting......I will post anything I find to be suspicious even if only I think it's suspicious lol.
I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Right now,IMO,everything in and about McCleary seems suspicious to me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 07:51:56 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet


Ahh,I understand and you know me from posting......I will post anything I find to be suspicious even if only I think it's suspicious lol.
I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Right now,IMO,everything in and about McCleary seems suspicious to me.

EXACTLY!!

It is not that I do not believe posters who wish to share info regarding the case but ... It would appreciated if each member of the forum had the opportunity to decide for herself if the original sources of the info is credible.

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

IMO

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 07:56:05 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 08:02:56 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet


Ahh,I understand and you know me from posting......I will post anything I find to be suspicious even if only I think it's suspicious lol.
I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Right now,IMO,everything in and about McCleary seems suspicious to me.

EXACTLY!!

It is not that I do not believe posters who wish to share info regarding the case but ... It would appreciated if each member of the forum had the opportunity to decide for herself if the original sources of the info is credible.

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

IMO

Janet


Exactly
I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely
I'm off to go watch Susan Boyle wow everyone with her most beautiful voice on America's Got Talent(Susan sings Wild Horses by the Stones....one of my favorite songs).
Have a good night you all.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 15, 2009, 08:05:25 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::
Right now all we know is he has a bunch of court cases,used to or still does live in McCleary and.......I think that's it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 08:11:04 PM

Exactly
I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely
I'm off to go watch Susan Boyle wow everyone with her most beautiful voice on America's Got Talent(Susan sings Wild Horses by the Stones....one of my favorite songs).
Have a good night you all.


Karma ... you do not fool me.  I know ya are rushing off to watch Nancy Grace.  You are one of those closet Nancy Grace fans.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 15, 2009, 09:05:46 PM
There is something I am not getting Monkeys.

Why are the residences/business on Beck Street being researched.

Harry Oakes' indicates that it was a death scent that his dog/s detected.  Considering Beck Street is past the Baum residence on 1st ... why would Lindsey have been on that street on the evening of June 26, 2009.

I speculate that Lindsey met with foul play somewhere between 5th and Maple and ... her home and ... then was taken to Beck Street for disposal at some later date.

Who owns a ATM/Quad?

Janet

+++++

Janet, I am leaning the same way as you, but was hesitate to say it.  I hope this is not the case.  I would think it would have to have been the same night because of all the searching the next morning and I don't believe anybody would be brave enough to move her then. 

Shortcake

If I am not misunderstanding and ... we have the same mindset regarding how Lindsey may have met her demise ... the timeframe between the witness sighting at 5th and Maple at 9:30 PM and ... the call by Melissa Baum to Kara Kampen at 9:25 PM is not long enough for foul play in that short distance as well as ... obtaining assistance.

I wish LE would reveal if Josh Baum was at home with Mom when his sister left the Kampen/Williams residence.  When you consider the close proximity of Wayne Watne's residence to the Baum residence ... I wish LE would reveal if Wayne Watne has an alibi for that evening.

Janet

++++

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing  and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953






Janet, I think you ment 10:25 PM when Kara got the call from Melissa.  The police showed up about 11:00 PM.  I assume Kara had been charging her phone for quite a while and that is why the parents couldn't talk to find out if Kala could stay over Friday night.  As a parent I would want to talk directly to the other parent.  Not send a couple of 10 yr olds to negotiate.  I guess I am too old fashion.  Also, after Kara turned her phone back on after charging, she claims to have had only one or two bars and it quickly ran down.  Red flag!!  I know I am too critical and should shut up, I but do have a few problems with some of Kara's responses.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 09:23:39 PM

Janet, I think you ment 10:25 PM when Kara got the call from Melissa.  The police showed up about 11:00 PM.  I assume Kara had been charging her phone for quite a while and that is why the parents couldn't talk to find out if Kala could stay over Friday night.  As a parent I would want to talk directly to the other parent.  Not send a couple of 10 yr olds to negotiate.  I guess I am too old fashion.  Also, after Kara turned her phone back on after charging, she claims to have had only one or two bars and it quickly ran down.  Red flag!!  I know I am too critical and should shut up, I but do have a few problems with some of Kara's responses.  Shortcake

Shortcake ... you are correct.  I meant 10:25 PM as the time when Kara Kampen claims that Melissa Baum contacted her.

If it were not for the witness observations at 5th and Maple ... my focus would be Kara Kampen and Scott Williams as persons of interest for obvious reasons.  I wish the names of the witnesses at been revealed.  Why the silence?  Any other case ... those witnesses would be making the talk show circuit revealing their observation and their identity would appear in every publication.

The silence encompassing all aspects of this case is very suspicious.  It makes me think that LE is protecting someone.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 09:36:06 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::
Right now all we know is he has a bunch of court cases,used to or still does live in McCleary and.......I think that's it.
Thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 09:37:38 PM

Janet, I think you ment 10:25 PM when Kara got the call from Melissa.  The police showed up about 11:00 PM.  I assume Kara had been charging her phone for quite a while and that is why the parents couldn't talk to find out if Kala could stay over Friday night.  As a parent I would want to talk directly to the other parent.  Not send a couple of 10 yr olds to negotiate.  I guess I am too old fashion.  Also, after Kara turned her phone back on after charging, she claims to have had only one or two bars and it quickly ran down.  Red flag!!  I know I am too critical and should shut up, I but do have a few problems with some of Kara's responses.  Shortcake

Shortcake ... you are correct.  I meant 10:25 PM as the time when Kara Kampen claims that Melissa Baum contacted her.

If it were not for the witness observations at 5th and Maple ... my focus would be Kara Kampen and Scott Williams as persons of interest for obvious reasons.  I wish the names of the witnesses at been revealed.  Why the silence?  Any other case ... those witnesses would be making the talk show circuit revealing their observation and their identity would appear in every publication.

The silence encompassing all aspects of this case is very suspicious.  It makes me think that LE is protecting someone.

Janet
I find it extremely weird that we don't know the names of the witnesses, what is even weirder a small town like that, someone hasn't spilled who the witnesses were  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 09:43:19 PM
I have been following the Annie Le case for the past week on CNN.  I cannot count the number of witnesses that have been interviewed regarding the last time and where they saw Annie the morning she went missing.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 15, 2009, 09:44:30 PM
i've had issues with a lot of things regarding Lindsey.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)
LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009

BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 15, 2009, 10:17:50 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)
LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009

BUMPED
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 15, 2009, 10:20:26 PM
I have been following the Annie Le case for the past week on CNN.  I cannot count the number of witnesses that have been interviewed regarding the last time and where they saw Annie the morning she went missing.

Janet
Head to her thread now Janet, waiting on a press conference.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 15, 2009, 10:33:58 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
Wow,dang.
Thanks Sister

No problem, hope it helps.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 10:38:19 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 15, 2009, 11:02:00 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.
public record is just that...feel free to post what you find as public record, as long as it dosen't involve anyone under age (and unless they were charged as an adult i don't understand why their name would be out there) feel free to post it.  no phone # no ss# and i think your ok...i think ? ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 11:09:05 PM

Janet, I think you ment 10:25 PM when Kara got the call from Melissa.  The police showed up about 11:00 PM.  I assume Kara had been charging her phone for quite a while and that is why the parents couldn't talk to find out if Kala could stay over Friday night.  As a parent I would want to talk directly to the other parent.  Not send a couple of 10 yr olds to negotiate.  I guess I am too old fashion.  Also, after Kara turned her phone back on after charging, she claims to have had only one or two bars and it quickly ran down.  Red flag!!  I know I am too critical and should shut up, I but do have a few problems with some of Kara's responses.  Shortcake

Shortcake ... you are correct.  I meant 10:25 PM as the time when Kara Kampen claims that Melissa Baum contacted her.

If it were not for the witness observations at 5th and Maple ... my focus would be Kara Kampen and Scott Williams as persons of interest for obvious reasons.  I wish the names of the witnesses at been revealed.  Why the silence?  Any other case ... those witnesses would be making the talk show circuit revealing their observation and their identity would appear in every publication.

The silence encompassing all aspects of this case is very suspicious.  It makes me think that LE is protecting someone.

Janet

You could be right about LE  protecting someone. Who the heck knows anymore. http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/925075.html I find this really interesting. It is a story about all of the involvement that LE had going on in July. Now here it is September and nothing. It really is quite a contrast.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 11:12:24 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.
public record is just that...feel free to post what you find as public record, as long as it dosen't involve anyone under age (and unless they were charged as an adult i don't understand why their name would be out there) feel free to post it.  no phone # no ss# and i think your ok...i think ? ::MonkeyBike::

Hi Mamacrazy,
The problem is that I don't know what any of the darn court document codes stand for. I am not a super sleuth at all, lol!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 15, 2009, 11:40:34 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.
public record is just that...feel free to post what you find as public record, as long as it dosen't involve anyone under age (and unless they were charged as an adult i don't understand why their name would be out there) feel free to post it.  no phone # no ss# and i think your ok...i think ? ::MonkeyBike::

Hi Mamacrazy,
The problem is that I don't know what any of the darn court document codes stand for. I am not a super sleuth at all, lol!

Just curious as to how you found or knew about this particular man.  I don't recall reading his name before.
 :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 15, 2009, 11:40:52 PM
I have been following the Annie Le case for the past week on CNN.  I cannot count the number of witnesses that have been interviewed regarding the last time and where they saw Annie the morning she went missing.

Janet
Head to her thread now Janet, waiting on a press conference.

Thanks no rose colored glasses

Janet

+++++

Persons of Interest Named in Yale Murder
Tuesday, September 15, 2009


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550622,00.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 15, 2009, 11:53:21 PM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.
public record is just that...feel free to post what you find as public record, as long as it dosen't involve anyone under age (and unless they were charged as an adult i don't understand why their name would be out there) feel free to post it.  no phone # no ss# and i think your ok...i think ? ::MonkeyBike::

Hi Mamacrazy,
The problem is that I don't know what any of the darn court document codes stand for. I am not a super sleuth at all, lol!

Just curious as to how you found or knew about this particular man.  I don't recall reading his name before.
 :smt102

The name Lasley was in a list compiled on this website of people living on 6th or connected with people living on sixth. Is there some kind of vampire cult in McCleary? I tell you, the more you start digging online, the weirder it gets, lol. http://vampirefreaks.com/BrookLynnGrace


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 12:04:46 AM
Do we know if this Ricky Rat knows the Baum or Kampen family?  ::MonkeyConfused::

Hi,
From what I have read about LB is that she is a friendly child. She could have gotten in the car with anyone that she knew. I am not saying that she would get into the car with a total stranger. I am just saying that this is a small town and if someone drove by and saw her walking they may have offered her a ride. Maybe she had spoken to this person before at the store, video place, who knows. Therefore she may have felt comfortable getting into a car with them. So.......I have gone to the state of Washington court documents web page. It is available for anyone on the net. Therefore, I guess it is safe to assume that it is public record. I started putting names of locals in there and this Lasley character stood out. Again, I am not from Washington so therefore I have no idea what these documents are for. I guess I just wanted to try to think outside of the box as I too have been thinking it had to be someone very close to her. That so often is the case.
public record is just that...feel free to post what you find as public record, as long as it dosen't involve anyone under age (and unless they were charged as an adult i don't understand why their name would be out there) feel free to post it.  no phone # no ss# and i think your ok...i think ? ::MonkeyBike::

Hi Mamacrazy,
The problem is that I don't know what any of the darn court document codes stand for. I am not a super sleuth at all, lol!

Just curious as to how you found or knew about this particular man.  I don't recall reading his name before.
 :smt102

The name Lasley was in a list compiled on this website of people living on 6th or connected with people living on sixth. Is there some kind of vampire cult in McCleary? I tell you, the more you start digging online, the weirder it gets, lol. http://vampirefreaks.com/BrookLynnGrace

Yes, I see that now.  Thanks for pointing that out. 
For certain, there are some odd things.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 12:30:34 AM
Does anyone know what dowsing is? I have no clue. Anyways this author lives on a 75 acre ranch outside of McCleary. He wrote a book on "dowsing" and supposedly can find missing people this way? He also states that he found buried bodies on his ranch but no records of a graveyard. WTH? http://www.rexbvalentinebooks.com/excerpt.htm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 12:37:20 AM
Sebastian, I know that it is a method of "finding" things buried or underground.  The Native Americans used a divining rod to find water, although I think this dowsing dates back centuries.  I don't know who this man is but many of the "old" methods are finding their way back to meet the sciences of now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 16, 2009, 12:46:13 AM
dowsing is?

dowsing is a very old and some farmers swear by it. It may appear to be voodoo, as the person does walk around with a stick or wire .. they do find stuff.. Here is a link that supports it..
American society of Dowsers
The American Society of Dowsers is a nonprofit corporation founded in Vermont in 1961 to disseminate knowledge of dowsing (water witching, discovery of lost articles or persons, and related para-psychological phenomena), development of its skills, and recognition for its achievements.

One purpose of ASD is to assemble all manner of dowsing theories, ideas, techniques, applications, instrumentation, experiences, etc. for study and evaluation.  The society issues the quarterly journal the American Dowser, which present a representative cross-section of this highly diverse material.

The American Society of Dowsers holds an anual convention as well as regional conferences and local chapter events throughout the year. Check our website for details...
 
 
American Society of Dowsers ~ Post Office Box 24, Danville, VT  05828
Phone: 802-684-3417 Fax: 802-684-2565 asd@dowsers.org

http://www.dowsers.org/


DOWSING - TOOLS FOR
THE PROS AND THE BEGINNERS   ::MonkeyGavel::
http://diviningmind.com/



I still think it is VooDoo ..  ::MonkeyJnBox::
So Here is a link that discounts it.. ::MonkeyDevil2::
http://www.skepdic.com/dowsing.html







Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 12:59:27 AM
Thanks guys! I feel like an idiot.  ::MonkeyConfused::What I found really interesting though, is his article about finding dead bodies on his property. Wasn't someone looking for Satanic sites or something in McCleary? I have read so much that everything is running together. By the way Edward, glad to see you! Carrie was worried about you lol!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 01:08:53 AM
From what I have been able to find, his father owned "Next Door Cafe" in McCleary at one time. I do not believe that it is still open. It too was on Main St I believe. The father's name was Richard Lasley as well. I am not sure what their middle names are though. I think one of them has the middle name of Lee, but not sure if it is father or son. Son is in his 40's. Father may be deceased.
Next Door Cafe is closed and vacant for what it is worth.  Lindsey's path would have taken her right past this closed cafe.  On the other side of Maple and on corner is a large vacant lot.  Cafe is across from the Shell station and kind of kittycorner to the police department.

Who owns this property and who has keys to it?  Is it vacant???  Are there still freezers, etc in there?  Is it a free standing structure or an adjoining property - like a strip mall?  What is on each side and if businesses - which ones and what time do they close? 
Any locals know???????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 01:12:13 AM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

If the person, guy is a convicted felon - is his record not already splattered all over the web?  Doesn't Klaas always advise that if the information is already on the internet, then it is fine to post?  I kinda think that the speculation about a child is FAR more OFFENSIVE a splatter than the criminal record of someone on a possible path of Lindsey that fateful day.  JMHO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 01:14:40 AM
From what I have been able to find, his father owned "Next Door Cafe" in McCleary at one time. I do not believe that it is still open. It too was on Main St I believe. The father's name was Richard Lasley as well. I am not sure what their middle names are though. I think one of them has the middle name of Lee, but not sure if it is father or son. Son is in his 40's. Father may be deceased.
Next Door Cafe is closed and vacant for what it is worth.  Lindsey's path would have taken her right past this closed cafe.  On the other side of Maple and on corner is a large vacant lot.  Cafe is across from the Shell station and kind of kittycorner to the police department.

Who owns this property and who has keys to it?  Is it vacant???  Are there still freezers, etc in there?  Is it a free standing structure or an adjoining property - like a strip mall?  What is on each side and if businesses - which ones and what time do they close? 
Any locals know???????
The only thing that I know is that Ricky Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat owned a bar at the same address that I think is now closed? Not sure. It is or was called Ricky Rat Lounge.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 01:25:55 AM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet


Ahh,I understand and you know me from posting......I will post anything I find to be suspicious even if only I think it's suspicious lol.
I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Right now,IMO,everything in and about McCleary seems suspicious to me.

EXACTLY!!

It is not that I do not believe posters who wish to share info regarding the case but ... It would appreciated if each member of the forum had the opportunity to decide for herself if the original sources of the info is credible.

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

IMO

Janet


Exactly
I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely
I'm off to go watch Susan Boyle wow everyone with her most beautiful voice on America's Got Talent(Susan sings Wild Horses by the Stones....one of my favorite songs).
Have a good night you all.


Ladies, with all due respect - and I do respect you both as I know your hearts are for missing children and you are both intelligent - but, with all due respect, do you guys want to be a right fighter or fight for what is right?  Or just fight?

This page after page is getting old.  Please, can't we move on?  And please, can everyone try not to post and repost the same theory over and over and over again - we are all smart - we know where you stand if you just remind us once say every 25 pages or so.  This thread feels so redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive and I JUST KNOW we can do better with the minds that are here. I JUST KNOW WE CAN. 
Anyone want to be a TEAM?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 01:37:08 AM
Were they being rude to me in all of this? If they were I guess it went right over my head lol!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 01:40:20 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 01:41:04 AM
Clean-up on aisle 46 -  I guess each time I hung up, it posted!   Sorry about that.  Or.........maybe the internet gods thought it was worth reading over and over and over and over! LOL


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 01:46:02 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!

I think this person is definitely worth looking into.  I hope someone posts the website that the records show up on so some monkeys can narrow down middle initials and we can followup on it.  I also hope a local answers my questions from before.......she could be in a freezer or fridge at this bar or cafe if they are still on the premises.  GOD I hope not, but it is possible.  For that matter, if vacant she could be alive and being held here.  I like this idea better, obviously!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 01:46:51 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=1R2GWYE_en&q=144+w+fir+st,+mccleary,+wa+map&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=us&ei=RnuwSrvxLo7KsQOk5KnBCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1 Here is the map with the address that I mentioned above


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 01:56:31 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!

I think this person is definitely worth looking into.  I hope someone posts the website that the records show up on so some monkeys can narrow down middle initials and we can followup on it.  I also hope a local answers my questions from before.......she could be in a freezer or fridge at this bar or cafe if they are still on the premises.  GOD I hope not, but it is possible.  For that matter, if vacant she could be alive and being held here.  I like this idea better, obviously!

snipped from dd post on thread about 6th Street:
Possible Relatives:

LASLEY, RICHARD LEE (Age 43)
LASLEY, RICHARD B (Age 66)
LASLEY, SKIP K
LASLEY, FRANCES K


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 02:07:02 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!

I think this person is definitely worth looking into.  I hope someone posts the website that the records show up on so some monkeys can narrow down middle initials and we can followup on it.  I also hope a local answers my questions from before.......she could be in a freezer or fridge at this bar or cafe if they are still on the premises.  GOD I hope not, but it is possible.  For that matter, if vacant she could be alive and being held here.  I like this idea better, obviously!

snipped from dd post on thread about 6th Street:
Possible Relatives:

LASLEY, RICHARD LEE (Age 43)
LASLEY, RICHARD B (Age 66)
LASLEY, SKIP K
LASLEY, FRANCES K


Sebastian, it appears that Richard B. is married to Francis K.  They have some old debts which appears they are satisfying, even after all these years.
Richard L. may be the son.  I saw one record of what appears to be a drug offense.
I do not know who Skip K. is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 02:26:03 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!

I think this person is definitely worth looking into.  I hope someone posts the website that the records show up on so some monkeys can narrow down middle initials and we can followup on it.  I also hope a local answers my questions from before.......she could be in a freezer or fridge at this bar or cafe if they are still on the premises.  GOD I hope not, but it is possible.  For that matter, if vacant she could be alive and being held here.  I like this idea better, obviously!

snipped from dd post on thread about 6th Street:
Possible Relatives:

LASLEY, RICHARD LEE (Age 43)
LASLEY, RICHARD B (Age 66)
LASLEY, SKIP K
LASLEY, FRANCES K


Sebastian, it appears that Richard B. is married to Francis K.  They have some old debts which appears they are satisfying, even after all these years.
Richard L. may be the son.  I saw one record of what appears to be a drug offense.
I do not know who Skip K. is.

Thank you sister! I have no idea who Skip is either. I think Richard Lee is Ricky Rat.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 16, 2009, 04:21:50 AM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



If I have this correct - Harry's dogs tracked up 1st St. to Beck St., then out a logging ATV road for 6 mi.  An MC has two wheels and an ATV has three or four.  Sounds like Harry is indicating two vehicles traveled that distance and he was unable to determine which one the scent was on.  A 1/2 mi. along a dog hit on a death scent.  Dosen't seem like the death scent was Lindsey unless she was brought back.  I wish Harry was a little more clear.  Confusing.  Janet or someone please help me out.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 05:40:48 AM

Exactly
I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely
I'm off to go watch Susan Boyle wow everyone with her most beautiful voice on America's Got Talent(Susan sings Wild Horses by the Stones....one of my favorite songs).
Have a good night you all.


Karma ... you do not fool me.  I know ya are rushing off to watch Nancy Grace.  You are one of those closet Nancy Grace fans.

 ::MonkeyDevil2::

Janet
I watched her during the perterscum trial but after that.....I can't stand to hear her voice lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 16, 2009, 09:47:46 AM
Wasn't Lindsey last seen at 5th & Maple? Well, if you look at a map, take a look at the location of 144 W. Fir St, Mcleary. I was told that is where Richard Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat Lasley now resides. Coincidence? Just following up on some of the less than scrupulous locals. I want Lindsey found!
That is interesting, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 10:37:36 AM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



If I have this correct - Harry's dogs tracked up 1st St. to Beck St., then out a logging ATV road for 6 mi.  An MC has two wheels and an ATV has three or four.  Sounds like Harry is indicating two vehicles traveled that distance and he was unable to determine which one the scent was on.  A 1/2 mi. along a dog hit on a death scent.  Dosen't seem like the death scent was Lindsey unless she was brought back.  I wish Harry was a little more clear.  Confusing.  Janet or someone please help me out.  shortcake

I agree Shortcake.  Harry Oakes' words are confusing concerning Beck Street and the death scent.  I have read them over and over and over again attempting to make sense of them.

My understanding is that Mr. Oakes' was indicating that a deceased Lindsey was being transported on an ATV or a motor cycle on Beck.  I would assume the  search was conducted on foot when the dog/s are considered.

Harry Oakes does not mention anything about 1st Street in the email.  However ... I do speculate  that the route to Beck Street could have been 1st Street when you consider the location of the Baum residence.  Think about it.  Lindsey was thisclose to home when when she was observed the the witnesses.

The "or" tells me that Harry Oakes was uncertain to as to the type of vehicle.

IMO

Janet 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 11:11:41 AM
SELF EDIT

a deceased Lindsey s/b a deceased person




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 16, 2009, 12:37:37 PM
Thanks guys! I feel like an idiot.  ::MonkeyConfused::What I found really interesting though, is his article about finding dead bodies on his property. Wasn't someone looking for Satanic sites or something in McCleary? I have read so much that everything is running together. By the way Edward, glad to see you! Carrie was worried about you lol!

Rex Valentine. He used to own a lot of homes in Elma. His book he's probably talking about Indian grave sites.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 16, 2009, 12:43:03 PM
From what I have been able to find, his father owned "Next Door Cafe" in McCleary at one time. I do not believe that it is still open. It too was on Main St I believe. The father's name was Richard Lasley as well. I am not sure what their middle names are though. I think one of them has the middle name of Lee, but not sure if it is father or son. Son is in his 40's. Father may be deceased.
Next Door Cafe is closed and vacant for what it is worth.  Lindsey's path would have taken her right past this closed cafe.  On the other side of Maple and on corner is a large vacant lot.  Cafe is across from the Shell station and kind of kittycorner to the police department.

Who owns this property and who has keys to it?  Is it vacant???  Are there still freezers, etc in there?  Is it a free standing structure or an adjoining property - like a strip mall?  What is on each side and if businesses - which ones and what time do they close? 
Any locals know???????
The only thing that I know is that Ricky Lee Lasley aka: Ricky Rat owned a bar at the same address that I think is now closed? Not sure. It is or was called Ricky Rat Lounge.

At the address, it was both a bar/lounge and a restaurant. It has been closed for over 2 years.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 16, 2009, 12:59:56 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



If I have this correct - Harry's dogs tracked up 1st St. to Beck St., then out a logging ATV road for 6 mi.  An MC has two wheels and an ATV has three or four.  Sounds like Harry is indicating two vehicles traveled that distance and he was unable to determine which one the scent was on.  A 1/2 mi. along a dog hit on a death scent.  Dosen't seem like the death scent was Lindsey unless she was brought back.  I wish Harry was a little more clear.  Confusing.  Janet or someone please help me out.  shortcake

I agree Shortcake.  Harry Oakes' words are confusing concerning Beck Street and the death scent.  I have read them over and over and over again attempting to make sense of them.

My understanding is that Mr. Oakes' was indicating that a deceased Lindsey was being transported on an ATV or a motor cycle on Beck.  I would assume the  search was conducted on foot when the dog/s are considered.

Harry Oakes does not mention anything about 1st Street in the email.  However ... I do speculate  that the route to Beck Street could have been 1st Street when you consider the location of the Baum residence.  Think about it.  Lindsey was thisclose to home when when she was observed the the witnesses.

The "or" tells me that Harry Oakes was uncertain to as to the type of vehicle.

IMO

Janet 

Thanks for the reply.  The "tracked up to Beck St." can be only one of two streets.  N. Summit St.(well traveled) or 1st St.(seldom traveled).  Me thinks 1st. St.

Mr. Oakes is a professional, I am sure he can tell the difference between ATV and MC tracks.  Shoot, I can tell.  Kind of like bicycle vs car tracks.  So I am still leaning toward MC in/out and ATV in/out.  Same route.

Cadaver dogs must have been sent into that area of the human death smell.  What did they find?  A lot of people are missing and it could be any one of them.

Has anybody contacted the news media about what Mr. Oakes revealed on his search?  I am sure he would be happy to talk to them and get the exposure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 01:49:33 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



If I have this correct - Harry's dogs tracked up 1st St. to Beck St., then out a logging ATV road for 6 mi.  An MC has two wheels and an ATV has three or four.  Sounds like Harry is indicating two vehicles traveled that distance and he was unable to determine which one the scent was on.  A 1/2 mi. along a dog hit on a death scent.  Dosen't seem like the death scent was Lindsey unless she was brought back.  I wish Harry was a little more clear.  Confusing.  Janet or someone please help me out.  shortcake

I agree Shortcake.  Harry Oakes' words are confusing concerning Beck Street and the death scent.  I have read them over and over and over again attempting to make sense of them.

My understanding is that Mr. Oakes' was indicating that a deceased Lindsey was being transported on an ATV or a motor cycle on Beck.  I would assume the  search was conducted on foot when the dog/s are considered.

Harry Oakes does not mention anything about 1st Street in the email.  However ... I do speculate  that the route to Beck Street could have been 1st Street when you consider the location of the Baum residence.  Think about it.  Lindsey was thisclose to home when when she was observed the the witnesses.

The "or" tells me that Harry Oakes was uncertain to as to the type of vehicle.

IMO

Janet 

Thanks for the reply.  The "tracked up to Beck St." can be only one of two streets.  N. Summit St.(well traveled) or 1st St.(seldom traveled).  Me thinks 1st. St.

Mr. Oakes is a professional, I am sure he can tell the difference between ATV and MC tracks.  Shoot, I can tell.  Kind of like bicycle vs car tracks.  So I am still leaning toward MC in/out and ATV in/out.  Same route.

Cadaver dogs must have been sent into that area of the human death smell.  What did they find?  A lot of people are missing and it could be any one of them.

Has anybody contacted the news media about what Mr. Oakes revealed on his search?  I am sure he would be happy to talk to them and get the exposure.

Shortcake

I also believe Harry Oakes can tell the difference between the tracks of the two vehicles.  However ... Mr. Oakes explains in the email that track was referring to the death scent not a MC or MTV track.

I could wrong but ... I believe Mr. Oakes was speculating that a MC or MTV could have been used to transfer a deceased person as the death scent was present for such a long ways.  If a body had been in an inclosed vehicle ... the scent would have been more difficult to detect.

Hey ... I am only speculating based on the words in the email which I am desperately attempting to comprehend.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 06:00:38 PM
KarmaR, there are 62 cases, however, you would need to know the middle initial at least in order to verify which belong to him.
http://dw.courts.wa.gov/
I hesitate to put the info out here, unless I would be sure there is a reason to do so, but that's just the way I do my research.
Gotcha,I'll do the same if I find anything.

 ::MonkeyShocked::
LOL
Janet,I haven't found anything as I don't know the guys middle initial but I would have to see/read some kind of link between this guy and Lindsey or anyone Lindsey may know before I splatter him all on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Thanks Karma.

What is the point of being on a forum if the attitude is regarding gathered research is ... "What's yours is mine ... What's mine my own."

Janet


Ahh,I understand and you know me from posting......I will post anything I find to be suspicious even if only I think it's suspicious lol.
I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Right now,IMO,everything in and about McCleary seems suspicious to me.

EXACTLY!!

It is not that I do not believe posters who wish to share info regarding the case but ... It would appreciated if each member of the forum had the opportunity to decide for herself if the original sources of the info is credible.

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

IMO

Janet


Exactly
I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely
I'm off to go watch Susan Boyle wow everyone with her most beautiful voice on America's Got Talent(Susan sings Wild Horses by the Stones....one of my favorite songs).
Have a good night you all.


Ladies, with all due respect - and I do respect you both as I know your hearts are for missing children and you are both intelligent - but, with all due respect, do you guys want to be a right fighter or fight for what is right?  Or just fight?

This page after page is getting old.  Please, can't we move on?  And please, can everyone try not to post and repost the same theory over and over and over again - we are all smart - we know where you stand if you just remind us once say every 25 pages or so.  This thread feels so redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive and I JUST KNOW we can do better with the minds that are here. I JUST KNOW WE CAN. 
Anyone want to be a TEAM?
NewsJunkie,no one was arguing or being redundant IMO
Janet and I were discussing what info to put on the web and what info not to put on the web.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 06:02:52 PM
Were they being rude to me in all of this? If they were I guess it went right over my head lol!
We were not being rude to you or anyone here Sebastian.
We were really only discussing info and/or lack of info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 06:36:17 PM
Quote
RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry
Janet,I read this this way:

1st scent,a live Lindsey scent.
we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

2nd scent,a death scent.
we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Notice Harry used the word also,meaning another scent IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 06:47:06 PM
Were they being rude to me in all of this? If they were I guess it went right over my head lol!
We were not being rude to you or anyone here Sebastian.
We were really only discussing info and/or lack of info.


Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 07:11:26 PM
Were they being rude to me in all of this? If they were I guess it went right over my head lol!
We were not being rude to you or anyone here Sebastian.
We were really only discussing info and/or lack of info.


Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.
Whoa NewsJunkie
I'm not positive about Janet but I'm willing to bet she feels somewhat the same as myself when I say this.
I was talking about all over the internet.....every forum I read has a few posters who know things but cannot tell you but just want you to know they know.We are really getting no info about this case,no info if LE has person's of interest or are following up on anything.
What feud?All I ever saw was disagreements and some temper tantrums when others didn't go along with others opinions.
I'm tired and this is now sounding like a big misunderstanding to me.....so I'm saying have a good night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2009, 07:13:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 07:19:06 PM
Quote
NewsJunkie:
Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

Ahh,heck with it.I just can't keep my big mouth closed.
NewsJunkie,I would really appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me what my posts mean,stop telling me how often you want to see my opinion based theorys(every 25 pages or so?),stop trying to tell me I'm being~your words~redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive~stop trying to control the discussions and whether or not we put IMO in every post.Of course it is my opinion,I wrote them.
NOW,have a xxxx good night.

Edit:  Let's move on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2009, 07:22:35 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 07:23:05 PM
Quote
RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry
Janet,I read this this way:

1st scent,a live Lindsey scent.
we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

2nd scent,a death scent.
we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Notice Harry used the word also,meaning another scent IMO

I am thinking Karma.  I have read that email over and over again and ... I am still confused.

I hope you are having a good day.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Jaanet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 07:25:47 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
Thank you for posting that Karma.  It's a really beautiful and touching picture.     ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 16, 2009, 07:29:59 PM
Thank you for posting that Karma.  It's a really beautiful and touching picture.     ::MonkeyAngel::
You're welcome Miss Muffy
I am very sorry for the OT.

I pray they find Lindsey soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 16, 2009, 07:34:16 PM
Thank you for posting that Karma.  It's a really beautiful and touching picture.     ::MonkeyAngel::
You're welcome Miss Muffy
I am very sorry for the OT.

I pray they find Lindsey soon.


I pray they find Lindsey soon too, Karma.  I worry because the case just seems to have gone from lukewarm to cold. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 07:35:06 PM
Quote
NewsJunkie:
Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

Ahh,heck with it.I just can't keep my big mouth closed.
NewsJunkie,I would really appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me what my posts mean,stop telling me how often you want to see my opinion based theorys(every 25 pages or so?),stop trying to tell me I'm being~your words~redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive~stop trying to control the discussions and whether or not we put IMO in every post.Of course it is my opinion,I wrote them.
NOW,have a friggen good night.

Karma ... it is not worth it.  Just ignore.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

There seems to be some on this forum who have a real problem with my contention that ... in the process of eliminatin ... Josh and Melissa should being considered persons of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey.

When the argument ... the CPS issue ... the juvie issue are all considered ... I am not go to let go until LE reveals that that Josh and Melissa have been investigated in the course of the investigation and ... have been ruled out.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 16, 2009, 07:48:46 PM
Quote
RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry
Janet,I read this this way:

1st scent,a live Lindsey scent.
we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

2nd scent,a death scent.
we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Notice Harry used the word also,meaning another scent IMO
Hi, I strongly agree with you, it seems like two different scents.  The dead human alert was 1/2 mile east of Beck St. and the winds were from the south.  That would be kind of crosswind wouldn't it(they were going NE)?  Why else would Harry mention the wind direction?  My task is to get a detailed map of this area so I better understand what is out there.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 16, 2009, 08:02:00 PM
Quote
NewsJunkie:
Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

Ahh,heck with it.I just can't keep my big mouth closed.
NewsJunkie,I would really appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me what my posts mean,stop telling me how often you want to see my opinion based theorys(every 25 pages or so?),stop trying to tell me I'm being~your words~redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive~stop trying to control the discussions and whether or not we put IMO in every post.Of course it is my opinion,I wrote them.
NOW,have a xxxx good night.

Edit:  Let's just drop it.

Karma ... it is not worth it.  Just ignore.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

There seems to be some on this forum who have a real problem with my contention that ... in the process of eliminatin ... Josh and Melissa should being considered persons of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey.

When the argument ... the CPS issue ... the juvie issue are all considered ... I am not go to let go until LE reveals that that Josh and Melissa have been investigated in the course of the investigation and ... have been ruled out.

Janet
I'm with you Janet, I can't stop my feelings about this being closer to home or a friend of the family, I have looked at every possiblility and keep going back to the same, Lindsey knew the person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: A_News_Junkie_Monkey on September 16, 2009, 08:07:50 PM
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Exactly Muffy.  That is what I was trying to say.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 08:49:31 PM
Not a peep from the McCleary PD or FBI?  82 days Lindsey has been missing. ::MonkeyMad::  Isn't there any press in WA?  Why can't they get a presser on the case, even if there isn't anything new.  Remind people of the reward and that she is still missing.

God Bless you Lindsey!  You are not forgotten! :smt049 :smt049 :smt049



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 16, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
Quote
NewsJunkie:
Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

Ahh,heck with it.I just can't keep my big mouth closed.
NewsJunkie,I would really appreciate it if you would stop trying to tell me what my posts mean,stop telling me how often you want to see my opinion based theorys(every 25 pages or so?),stop trying to tell me I'm being~your words~redundant, bitter, argumentative and non-productive~stop trying to control the discussions and whether or not we put IMO in every post.Of course it is my opinion,I wrote them.
NOW,have a xxxx good night.

Edit:  Let's just drop it.

Karma ... it is not worth it.  Just ignore.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

There seems to be some on this forum who have a real problem with my contention that ... in the process of eliminatin ... Josh and Melissa should being considered persons of interest in the disappearance of Lindsey.

When the argument ... the CPS issue ... the juvie issue are all considered ... I am not go to let go until LE reveals that that Josh and Melissa have been investigated in the course of the investigation and ... have been ruled out.

Janet
I'm with you Janet, I can't stop my feelings about this being closer to home or a friend of the family, I have looked at every possiblility and keep going back to the same, Lindsey knew the person.

no rose colored glasses

The "experts" who were called in to assist in the investigation early on knew something ... something that let tem to believe that the disappearance of Lindsey Baum was not a stranger abduction.

Justice for Lindsey Baum demands that ALL avenues must be investigation no matter where those avenues may lead.  NO person of interest should be given a pass until the investigation deems he/she has been ruled otherwise.  That is the reason I have never undermine the research of others in regards to what they perceive as possible persons of interest.

Janet

+++++++

KOMO NEWS - JULY 1, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have  that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization ...

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 16, 2009, 09:23:30 PM
Not a peep from the McCleary PD or FBI?  82 days Lindsey has been missing. ::MonkeyMad::  Isn't there any press in WA?  Why can't they get a presser on the case, even if there isn't anything new.  Remind people of the reward and that she is still missing.

God Bless you Lindsey!  You are not forgotten! :smt049 :smt049 :smt049


It's very upsetting, this case seems to have gone from cold to ice cold very quickly, wonder what LE is even doing in the case?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 16, 2009, 09:56:52 PM
Were they being rude to me in all of this? If they were I guess it went right over my head lol!
We were not being rude to you or anyone here Sebastian.
We were really only discussing info and/or lack of info.


Just a few of the comments from the last exchange.  Seems to me, that mocking past and (current????) members is really what was going on.  I stand by what I said, I do think we are above that - but do as you will and nobody will want to read this thread.
This feud has been going on long enough and I don't think the ones you are poking at are here any longer.  Yes, I belong to DD's forum, because honestly I want to get info on the case, not personality conflicts.  Just seems you and Janet could vent via email or elsewhere.   
Lindsey deserves more from all of us than this, imho.

I guess that's why some open up private forums with only a few posting in it.
That's gotta be lonely

If the information is not considered confidential ... then the source should not be anonymous.

I'm not one to state I know something but can't discuss it....if that were the case my mouth would just stay closed to begin with.

 ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyShocked::   ::MonkeyShocked:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 16, 2009, 09:59:25 PM
Not a peep from the McCleary PD or FBI?  82 days Lindsey has been missing. ::MonkeyMad::  Isn't there any press in WA?  Why can't they get a presser on the case, even if there isn't anything new.  Remind people of the reward and that she is still missing.

God Bless you Lindsey!  You are not forgotten! :smt049 :smt049 :smt049


It's very upsetting, this case seems to have gone from cold to ice cold very quickly, wonder what LE is even doing in the case?

NoRose - I agree...what is LE doing??  This is so sad!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 10:00:50 PM
Not a peep from the McCleary PD or FBI?  82 days Lindsey has been missing. ::MonkeyMad::  Isn't there any press in WA?  Why can't they get a presser on the case, even if there isn't anything new.  Remind people of the reward and that she is still missing.

God Bless you Lindsey!  You are not forgotten! :smt049 :smt049 :smt049

THE OLYMPIAN
GRAYS HARBOR COUNTY: Search continues for McCleary girl
Posted:  09/14/2009 6:53 AM

Volunteers searched areas throughout Western Washington for missing McCleary girl Lindsey Baum over the weekend but didn't find any clues, said Linda Walkut, a volunteer with the Laura Recover Center for Missing Children.

Walkut said 25 to 30 people searched Friday, about 75 searched Saturday and about 60 were involved Sunday, venturing as far away as Portland to look for Baum, who has been missing for nearly three months.

The search effort recently received a boost when a McCleary church donated a trailer that can be used as a headquarters, Walkut said.

“We’ll be having bigger searches now,” she said. “We’ll start scheduling them in about three weeks.”

A candlelight vigil for Baum is set for about 7 p.m. Sept. 26 at the Park & Ride facility on Mommsen Street in McCleary, Walkut said.

For more information about the search for Lindsey and future searches, go to www.findlindseybaum.com.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 16, 2009, 10:03:58 PM
Thank you sister.  Praying for Lindsey & Connie ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 16, 2009, 10:06:32 PM
Not a peep from the McCleary PD or FBI?  82 days Lindsey has been missing. ::MonkeyMad::  Isn't there any press in WA?  Why can't they get a presser on the case, even if there isn't anything new.  Remind people of the reward and that she is still missing.

God Bless you Lindsey!  You are not forgotten! :smt049 :smt049 :smt049


It's very upsetting, this case seems to have gone from cold to ice cold very quickly, wonder what LE is even doing in the case?

NoRose - I agree...what is LE doing??  This is so sad!
I want to think they are working hard to find Lindsey, but sadly I'm doubting it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 16, 2009, 10:07:50 PM
Thank you sister.  Praying for Lindsey & Connie ::MonkeyAngel::

You're welcome Lovin.  I do appreciate the prayers for Connie.  We continue to pray for Lindsey and all the ones whose voices have been silent.
 :smt059


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 16, 2009, 11:55:41 PM
I really think that the upcoming vigil may bring in the press. At least I hope so. Amber Dubois' last vigil, Sunday night had several different news teams and many more reporters. It helped that Amber's parents blasted LE, (which was much deserved) and that made for sensational reporting that the news people love. Amber has been gone 7 months, Lindsey almost 3, and LE in both cases are silent unless backed into the corner by the press. WTH is going on? I also find it strange that LE in McCleary does not seem to mind that there are all of these searches going on and they have not even showed up to supervise or anything. Or have they and I missed it? You would think that they would be conducting more of their own searches to make sure that any evidence that may be found is protected. It is almost as if they know that the searches are futile, but why is that? If they know something, why don't they just come out with it already? Are the Feds still involved at all? When the search dogs came out recently for Ambers search, at least one LE was involved with that search and Amber's parents were not allowed on the search. I don't know, something seems hinky with LE in McCleary,


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 17, 2009, 12:42:40 AM
That's wonderful news to hear that many people are out and about helping with the searching! I was in the local pharmacy today and saw that there was a CD made for Lindsey and also a few fliers all over the store. I'm curious about who made the CD and where the proceeds are donated to?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 17, 2009, 12:44:24 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

this girl is an angel and for whatever reason McCleary pd either had no idea how to handle it or they just have no idea.  i would like to blame them but i cannot.  from what i understand (and i may be wrong...happens every day) they have 3....three officers for the town.  3. now lets quit fighting...(imo everyones imput to this is helpful) and lets start helping Lindsey. 
#1 Motive....start from the get go...who cares about hurt feelings...
KK
KK 'old man'
KK daughter
Josh Baum
Melissa Baum
Lindsey's father..(oh jeeze..i don't even know his first name)

i don't care who has posted what or anything....i want to find Lindsey....so lets start from the beginning ( again) and get to the bottom of this.  we are missing something and i honestly believe that with a collective line of thought we can find the missing piece.  please...Lindsey needs someone..WE ARE HERE... lets do what we can to help her! ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 17, 2009, 01:11:57 AM
::MonkeyAngel::

this girl is an angel and for whatever reason McCleary pd either had no idea how to handle it or they just have no idea.  i would like to blame them but i cannot.  from what i understand (and i may be wrong...happens every day) they have 3....three officers for the town.  3. now lets quit fighting...(imo everyones imput to this is helpful) and lets start helping Lindsey. 
#1 Motive....start from the get go...who cares about hurt feelings...
KK
KK 'old man'
KK daughter
Josh Baum
Melissa Baum
Lindsey's father..(oh jeeze..i don't even know his first name)

i don't care who has posted what or anything....i want to find Lindsey....so lets start from the beginning ( again) and get to the bottom of this.  we are missing something and i honestly believe that with a collective line of thought we can find the missing piece.  please...Lindsey needs someone..WE ARE HERE... lets do what we can to help her! ::MonkeyAngel::

I agree, I think the law enforcement are stumped as to what happened and they have no solid evidence or leads to work off of. They have their main concern which is most of our main concerns...... which seeing that Lindsey is found *HOPEFULLY* safe, but at least found. I strongly believe that there are people which are being investigated which we won't know about unless they get some evidence clues to make an arrest. I was thinking to help clear up some clutter on the pages, we could start some new topics based on others theorys. I get so confused trying to keep up on the topics ;)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 01:19:43 AM
Motive for Lindsey to go missing? Well, money. If this had gone national sooner, the donation money could have been substantial. Don't know how LB could all of a sudden re-appear however. Could Lindsey have been killed mistakenly in an accident? That would have to include many players to pull it off and keep it hidden. Whose vehicle? I lean more towards a local who was out driving around at the right time. Maybe someone who knew that LB would not be missing for a while as she pretty much came and went as she wanted within reason. I personally think LB is still alive. Where? She needs to be found!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 01:23:41 AM
What is KK's boyfriends Scott's last name? I hate to go back and look. It is my understanding that he is a truck driver? I know he passed the LD but so do a lot of people. Just starting from the beginning.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 17, 2009, 03:31:35 AM
Sabastian I believe it is Scott Williams.
I agree it is awlful quiet now.  But I do know that the LE have done a lot more that they haven't released to the press.  I sure hope that they don't release the names of those witnesses.  Seems like some on here can't wait to check their background. I hope not.  The LE have already checked them out.  But, if their names get out, I am afraid the piranhas will come out and it will become a feeding frenzy.  We are not bad monkeys.  With nothing coming out what else can we do?  We all want desperately to help.  I am going to try to focus on the known evidence to see where that leads me.  I have to keep reminding myself that every SO had a first time.  IMO  shortcake 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 05:16:05 AM
Quote
RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry
Janet,I read this this way:

1st scent,a live Lindsey scent.
we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

2nd scent,a death scent.
we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Notice Harry used the word also,meaning another scent IMO
Hi, I strongly agree with you, it seems like two different scents.  The dead human alert was 1/2 mile east of Beck St. and the winds were from the south.  That would be kind of crosswind wouldn't it(they were going NE)?  Why else would Harry mention the wind direction?  My task is to get a detailed map of this area so I better understand what is out there.  Shortcake
That's a great idea ShortCake.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 05:29:52 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 @ 4:09pm
Finding Lindsey Baum


The Ron & Don Nation are asking your help and the help of everyone you know in finding Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl missing since June 26. If you have a laptop, if you have a telephone, and if you care about children, we ask you to get involved so Lindsey's case can be solved.

We're also asking for the assistance of our elected officials, to engage all the resources the government can bring to bear toward finding Lindsey. We're encouraging the Ron & Don Nation to contact Congressman Norm Dicks, whose district includes McCleary, and Senator Maria Cantwell, a good friend of The Ron & Don Show. Encourage them to provide any assistance or direction they can in working with local authorities toward finding Lindsey Baum.

You can find Congressman Dicks' email page here (Lindsey's ZIP code is 98557, you can indicate you're writing on behalf of the Baum family) and the email page for Senator Cantwell here. The phone number at Dicks' Washington, DC office is 202.225.5916. Cantwell's DC number is 202.224.3441. Ask them what they're doing and what they can do to help find Lindsey.

Ron & Don want to bring back to this case the attention it deserves. So get involved! Call and email your congressional represenatives and join Don and the Nation in searching for her Lindsey. More information can be found at the website set up to help, www.findlindseybaum.com.

And come back often to MyNorthwest.com and News Talk 97.3 KIRO FM for updates until we find Lindsey Baum.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=110
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 09:36:36 AM
Thanks Karma.   The search effort recently received a boost when a McCleary church donated a trailer that can be used as a headquarters, Walkut said. I'm very glad to read this  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 17, 2009, 10:30:42 AM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 10:35:14 AM
Sabastian I believe it is Scott Williams.

I agree it is awlful quiet now.  But I do know that the LE have done a lot more that they haven't released to the press.  I sure hope that they don't release the names of those witnesses.   Seems like some on here can't wait to check their background. I hope not.  The LE have already checked them out.  But, if their names get out, I am afraid the piranhas will come out and it will become a feeding frenzy.  We are not bad monkeys.  With nothing coming out what else can we do?  We all want desperately to help.  I am going to try to focus on the known evidence to see where that leads me.  I have to keep reminding myself that every SO had a first time.  IMO  shortcake 

Shortcake

What is your foundation to your contention that stuff is going on behind the scenes in the investigation?  Lindsey has been missing for almost three months ... nothing.

We will have to agree to disagree in regards to identificatin of the witnesses.  The credibility of those who observed Lindsey at 5th and Maple is huge in regards to whether this little girl ever left the Kampen/Williams residence.  The sighting at 5th and Maple afford wannabe detetectives a focal point to begin their speculations.

As with other missing person cases ... of the witnesses had been identified by the LE at the getgo ... the media as well as the talk show interviews would have been history by now.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
7:35 AM PT
 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 17, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.

There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
snipped:
"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I’m not at liberty to discuss just how many people we’ve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . ."
want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . We’ve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, there’s a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, it’s on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 10:45:45 AM
Sabastian I believe it is Scott Williams.

I agree it is awlful quiet now.  But I do know that the LE have done a lot more that they haven't released to the press.  I sure hope that they don't release the names of those witnesses.   Seems like some on here can't wait to check their background. I hope not.  The LE have already checked them out.  But, if their names get out, I am afraid the piranhas will come out and it will become a feeding frenzy.  We are not bad monkeys.  With nothing coming out what else can we do?  We all want desperately to help.  I am going to try to focus on the known evidence to see where that leads me.  I have to keep reminding myself that every SO had a first time.  IMO  shortcake 

Shortcake

What is your foundation to your contention that stuff is going on behind the scenes in the investigation?  Lindsey has been missing for almost three months ... nothing.

We will have to agree to disagree in regards to identificatin of the witnesses.  The credibility of those who observed Lindsey at 5th and Maple is huge in regards to whether this little girl ever left the Kampen/Williams residence.  The sighting at 5th and Maple afford wannabe detetectives a focal point to begin their speculations.

As with other missing person cases ... of the witnesses had been identified by the LE at the getgo ... the media as well as the talk show interviews would have been history by now.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
7:35 AM PT
 


Good Morning, I sure hope there are things going on behind the scenes, because where I'm sitting it doesn't seem like a lot, but hopefully I'm wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 10:57:11 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 @ 4:09pm
Finding Lindsey Baum


The Ron & Don Nation are asking your help and the help of everyone you know in finding Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl missing since June 26. If you have a laptop, if you have a telephone, and if you care about children, we ask you to get involved so Lindsey's case can be solved.

We're also asking for the assistance of our elected officials, to engage all the resources the government can bring to bear toward finding Lindsey. We're encouraging the Ron & Don Nation to contact, whose district includes McCleary, and Senator Maria Cantwell, a good friend of The Ron & Don Show. Encourage them to provide any assistance or direction they can in working with local authorities toward finding Lindsey Baum.

You can find Congressman Dicks' email page here (Lindsey's ZIP code is 98557, you can indicate you're writing on behalf of the Baum family) and the email page for Senator Cantwell here. The phone number at Dicks' Washington, DC office is 202.225.5916. Cantwell's DC number is 202.224.3441. Ask them what they're doing and what they can do to help find Lindsey.

Ron & Don want to bring back to this case the attention it deserves. So get involved! Call and email your congressional represenatives and join Don and the Nation in searching for her Lindsey. More information can be found at the website set up to help, www.findlindseybaum.com.

And come back often to MyNorthwest.com and News Talk 97.3 KIRO FM for updates until we find Lindsey Baum.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=110
 ::MonkeyAngel::



deja vous!

Karma

While thinking about Lindsey Baum prior to falling to sleep last night ... I was thinking that somebody higher up has to put pressure on the McCleary PD to be more forthright with the public through media sources regarding the status of the Lindsey Baum case. There has to be some accountability.

I have made the decision to take action and contact Congressman Norm Dicks and Senator Maria Cantwell.

Who are Ron and Don Nation?

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 10:59:01 AM
Sabastian I believe it is Scott Williams.

I agree it is awlful quiet now.  But I do know that the LE have done a lot more that they haven't released to the press.  I sure hope that they don't release the names of those witnesses.   Seems like some on here can't wait to check their background. I hope not.  The LE have already checked them out.  But, if their names get out, I am afraid the piranhas will come out and it will become a feeding frenzy.  We are not bad monkeys.  With nothing coming out what else can we do?  We all want desperately to help.  I am going to try to focus on the known evidence to see where that leads me.  I have to keep reminding myself that every SO had a first time.  IMO  shortcake 

Shortcake

What is your foundation to your contention that stuff is going on behind the scenes in the investigation?  Lindsey has been missing for almost three months ... nothing.

We will have to agree to disagree in regards to identificatin of the witnesses.  The credibility of those who observed Lindsey at 5th and Maple is huge in regards to whether this little girl ever left the Kampen/Williams residence.  The sighting at 5th and Maple afford wannabe detetectives a focal point to begin their speculations.

As with other missing person cases ... of the witnesses had been identified by the LE at the getgo ... the media as well as the talk show interviews would have been history by now.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
7:35 AM PT
 


Good Morning, I sure hope there are things going on behind the scenes, because where I'm sitting it doesn't seem like a lot, but hopefully I'm wrong.

Obviously ... others feel the same way when the above letter posted by Karma is taken into consideration.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 11:05:12 AM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 @ 4:09pm
Finding Lindsey Baum


The Ron & Don Nation are asking your help and the help of everyone you know in finding Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl missing since June 26. If you have a laptop, if you have a telephone, and if you care about children, we ask you to get involved so Lindsey's case can be solved.

We're also asking for the assistance of our elected officials, to engage all the resources the government can bring to bear toward finding Lindsey. We're encouraging the Ron & Don Nation to contact, whose district includes McCleary, and Senator Maria Cantwell, a good friend of The Ron & Don Show. Encourage them to provide any assistance or direction they can in working with local authorities toward finding Lindsey Baum.

You can find Congressman Dicks' email page here (Lindsey's ZIP code is 98557, you can indicate you're writing on behalf of the Baum family) and the email page for Senator Cantwell here. The phone number at Dicks' Washington, DC office is 202.225.5916. Cantwell's DC number is 202.224.3441. Ask them what they're doing and what they can do to help find Lindsey.

Ron & Don want to bring back to this case the attention it deserves. So get involved! Call and email your congressional represenatives and join Don and the Nation in searching for her Lindsey. More information can be found at the website set up to help, www.findlindseybaum.com.

And come back often to MyNorthwest.com and News Talk 97.3 KIRO FM for updates until we find Lindsey Baum.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=110
 ::MonkeyAngel::



deja vous!

Karma

While thinking about Lindsey Baum prior to falling to sleep last night ... I was thinking that somebody higher up has to put pressure on the McCleary PD to be more forthright with the public through media sources regarding the status of the Lindsey Baum case. There has to be some accountability.

I have made the decision to take action and contact Congressman Norm Dicks and Senator Maria Cantwell.

Who are Ron and Don Nation?

Janet

 
I am pleased with this, but isn't it a pity that this needs to be done?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 11:14:51 AM
The fact is LE is not reporting who has or has not taken the LDT, other than reporting that MelissaB and Scott took it.

There are sources on the internet to verify this, including but not limited to, a radio program in which Undersheriff Rick Scott spoke on what is and is not public knowledge and why.
snipped:
"Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I’m not at liberty to discuss just how many people we’ve polygraphed or what the results of that might be . . ."
want more information, Undersheriff Rick Scott " . . . We’ve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, there’s a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, it’s on our website if they go to greys county service departments website . . ."

I attempted to locate the above quote myself through googling.  I found nothing.  Sister ... are you able to identify the unnamed radio station that conducted the interview with Sheriff Scott?

The only words of Sheriff Scott that I have read regarding the issue of polygraphys is the following article.  Please note that Scott states that the polygraphs were taken at the request of Melissa Baum and Scott Williams ... not requested by LE.  I realized that nobody can be forced to take a polygraph but ... considering their direct connection to Lindsey on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... in the process of elimination ... why were polygraphs not immediately requested by LE.

Janet

+++++

FBI: Stranger not likely behind girl's disappearance
Story Published: Jul 1, 2009 at 7:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 2, 2009 at 1:09 PM PDT


The missing girl's mother, who wanted avoid becoming the center of the investigation, voluntarily took a polygraph test. The father of the girl's best friend, Scott Williams, also volunteered to take the test.

"At their requests polygraphs were given to them. They passed those polygraphs. We're comfortable with the information they've shared with us and comfortable with the timeline they've explained," said Grays Harbor County Undersheriff Rick Scott.

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 11:47:03 AM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 12:05:16 PM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.

I agree sebastian.

I would have no probably going on public record stating that I had observed the little girl at 5th and Maple.

I would really like to know the identity of the second witness who did not come forward immediately.  Could it be that an alibi was being established in the event that he had been observed in the area?  I hope that initially ... in the process of elimination ... LE considered him/her a person of interest and interrogated him/her accordingly. 

Janet

+++++

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 12:06:49 PM
SELF EDIT

I would have no probably s/b I would have no problem


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
When the words of both Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott are considered ... there was gathered information the day following Lindsey Baum's disappearance ... gathered information that implied that that little girl was not a victim of a stranger abduction. 

Janet

+++++

KOMO NEWS - JULY 1, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization ...

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 12:36:06 PM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.
This makes no sense, coming from a small town myself, those names would be talked about, period. You know what I think, imo, there were no witnesses that saw her. That is the conclusion I have come up with, and if I ever see the names, then I will change my opinion.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 01:03:45 PM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.
This makes no sense, coming from a small town myself, those names would be talked about, period. You know what I think, imo, there were no witnesses that saw her. That is the conclusion I have come up with, and if I ever see the names, then I will change my opinion.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unlike you no rose colored glasses ... I do believe that two witnesses came forward as reported by Sheriff Scott.

However ... I also speculate and give the benefit of the doubt that the silence and lack of action from the LE as well as ... the words of Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott (see above) ... imply that LE ... at the very least ... have suspicions regarding who is behind the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... do not have the evidence or ... are bound legally from identifying the person of interest.

BTW ... along with his peers ... did Josh Braum enter the school system last week?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 02:09:43 PM
Considering the only search conducted by LE since the initial search when Lindsey Baum went missing was focused on the area encompassing the route taken by the little girl on the evening of June 26, 2009 ... I am convinced me that the LE were searching for evidence to back up suspicions regarding a person of interest.

Janet

+++++++ 


ONE MONTH LATER ...

Fresh eyes join search for missing girl
Story Published: Jul 28, 2009 at 5:55 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 28, 2009 at 6:15 PM PDT

 
By Luke Duecy  Watch the story MCCLEARY, Wash. -- It's been more than a month since Lindsey Baum disappeared while walking home from a friend's house, but investigators are not giving up.

On Tuesday, detectives from Pierce County joined the search, hoping to turn up new leads or tips in the case.

They searched homes, trash cans and crawl spaces near where Lindsey was last seen, and cadaver-sniffing dogs were also brought in to comb the area.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/51941307.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.
This makes no sense, coming from a small town myself, those names would be talked about, period. You know what I think, imo, there were no witnesses that saw her. That is the conclusion I have come up with, and if I ever see the names, then I will change my opinion.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unlike you no rose colored glasses ... I do believe that two witnesses came forward as reported by Sheriff Scott.

However ... I also speculate and give the benefit of the doubt that the silence and lack of action from the LE as well as ... the words of Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott (see above) ... imply that LE ... at the very least ... have suspicions regarding who is behind the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... do not have the evidence or ... are bound legally from identifying the person of interest.

BTW ... along with his peers ... did Josh Braum enter the school system last week?

Janet
I never heard if Josh started back to school. The thing with the witnesses, it is just so odd, that someone in that town has not talked about who the witnesses are, I can't belive the towns people don't know who they are. I'm suspicious about the witnesses.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 03:30:54 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 04:12:46 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet

Or could it be that one of the witnesses or both could have gotten the nights mixed up and actually saw her on another night? I don't know, this is all frustrating  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on September 17, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet

Or could it be that one of the witnesses or both could have gotten the nights mixed up and actually saw her on another night? I don't know, this is all frustrating  ::MonkeyEek::


Or could it be that many residents of the area, (BeeHive Ret Center) are very elderly, & memories may not be so good.  I realize they are on 6th & Maple, but some do go for walks, altho that is a little late for them to be out, but not for sitting on porches.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 17, 2009, 04:28:58 PM
Very true if it were an elderly person, perhaps could have gotten the night mixed up, or thought it was Lindsey and it could have been another child that looked like her. And don't even have to be elderly to get something like that mixed up, we have so many kids out here playing sometimes I get mixed up with the neighborhood kids.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 04:33:50 PM
I somehow believe Sheriff Scott when he states that there were confirmed sightings of Lindsey.  Hey ... one of the witnesses was identified as a neighbour of the Baums.

Janet

+++++++

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 06:25:48 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet

I wonder if that could be it! LB was not seen alone, hmmmmmm


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 06:38:53 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet

I wonder if that could be it! LB was not seen alone, hmmmmmm

... or someone else was also observed on the small stretch of road between 5th on Maple and the Baum residence.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 06:54:46 PM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034
Sister,I cried when I saw her sing Wild Horses live.Her voice just brings me to my knees,can't wait for her CD release in November.
Sorry for the OT.
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 06:59:19 PM
Wednesday, September 16, 2009 @ 4:09pm
Finding Lindsey Baum


The Ron & Don Nation are asking your help and the help of everyone you know in finding Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl missing since June 26. If you have a laptop, if you have a telephone, and if you care about children, we ask you to get involved so Lindsey's case can be solved.

We're also asking for the assistance of our elected officials, to engage all the resources the government can bring to bear toward finding Lindsey. We're encouraging the Ron & Don Nation to contact, whose district includes McCleary, and Senator Maria Cantwell, a good friend of The Ron & Don Show. Encourage them to provide any assistance or direction they can in working with local authorities toward finding Lindsey Baum.

You can find Congressman Dicks' email page here (Lindsey's ZIP code is 98557, you can indicate you're writing on behalf of the Baum family) and the email page for Senator Cantwell here. The phone number at Dicks' Washington, DC office is 202.225.5916. Cantwell's DC number is 202.224.3441. Ask them what they're doing and what they can do to help find Lindsey.

Ron & Don want to bring back to this case the attention it deserves. So get involved! Call and email your congressional represenatives and join Don and the Nation in searching for her Lindsey. More information can be found at the website set up to help, www.findlindseybaum.com.

And come back often to MyNorthwest.com and News Talk 97.3 KIRO FM for updates until we find Lindsey Baum.

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=110
 ::MonkeyAngel::



deja vous!

Karma

While thinking about Lindsey Baum prior to falling to sleep last night ... I was thinking that somebody higher up has to put pressure on the McCleary PD to be more forthright with the public through media sources regarding the status of the Lindsey Baum case. There has to be some accountability.

I have made the decision to take action and contact Congressman Norm Dicks and Senator Maria Cantwell.

Who are Ron and Don Nation?

Janet

 
Hi Janet
All I know is they have a radio show.....I never heard of them before this case.
Good idea writing the Congress people and also maybe writing McCleary LE(email)from Sister's post above.I'll look for their addy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 07:02:12 PM

There was almost one hour between the witness sightings on 9:30 PM and Melissa Baum's call to Kara Kampen at 10:25 PM.

Could it be that something bad happened to Lindsey within that hour and assistance from Wayne Watne was requested or ... should Wayne Watne ... in the process of elimination ... be considered a person of interest in Lindsey's disappearance.  The close distance of his residence from the route Lindsey took that night ....

In all probability ... Wayne Watne is a genuinely nice guy whose only motivation was to be a positive influence in the life of Josh Baum but ... in the process of elimination ... in the disappearance of this little girl no person should be given a pass.

DD has created a thread on Wayne Watne ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0

Janet

+++++

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old. I really wanted to add just so you know that Josh has been to my home several times with Lindsey or coming over to see if the kids were here playing and I've personally never had an issue with him and he was always very polite and respectful.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772


the address of 400 3rd street mccleary wa,
address of Wayne Watne
not that far from where Lindsey would have cut over from maple to 3rd then back to mommsen

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baumwatnemap1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 07:18:03 PM
I keep going back to the witnesses and why their names have been kept from the public. I just find this VERY odd. "So and so saw LB walking down the street". What is the big deal? I could see the secrecy if this was a witness to a murder, but come on. There were witnesses in Amber Dubois timeline and their names were posted in the press. The only thing that I can come up with is that either they saw something more than LB just walking down the road or their is a reason that they do not want their names put out there. Maybe they have their own police records or maybe they are hiding from an abusive spouse? I don't know, it has just been one weird thing after the other with this case.
This makes no sense, coming from a small town myself, those names would be talked about, period. You know what I think, imo, there were no witnesses that saw her. That is the conclusion I have come up with, and if I ever see the names, then I will change my opinion.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Unlike you no rose colored glasses ... I do believe that two witnesses came forward as reported by Sheriff Scott.

However ... I also speculate and give the benefit of the doubt that the silence and lack of action from the LE as well as ... the words of Henry Schmidt and Sheriff Scott (see above) ... imply that LE ... at the very least ... have suspicions regarding who is behind the disappearance of Lindsey Baum but ... do not have the evidence or ... are bound legally from identifying the person of interest.

BTW ... along with his peers ... did Josh Braum enter the school system last week?

Janet
I never heard if Josh started back to school. The thing with the witnesses, it is just so odd, that someone in that town has not talked about who the witnesses are, I can't belive the towns people don't know who they are. I'm suspicious about the witnesses.
Also you live in a small town and a little girl goes missing on a Friday night and you wait until the following Tuesday to come forward as a witness?You have to know that Lindsey was the talk of the town for those 4 days so what took this witness so long to come forward?
I still think she was taken by a RSO or a non RSO who knows someone(a Mother,Aunt,Uncle,Dad,older relative)who lives in McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 07:23:06 PM
I somehow believe Sheriff Scott when he states that there were confirmed sightings of Lindsey.  Hey ... one of the witnesses was identified as a neighbour of the Baums.

Janet

+++++++

ABC News – June 30, 2009

Scott said witnesses were able to put Lindsey within a couple of blocks of her house just after 9:30 p.m. The last person reported to have seen her, he said, was a neighbor on her way to work.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7966924&page=2


The Daily World - July 2, 2009

Scott said a second person came forward Tuesday with a confirmed sighting of Baum from Friday night in the same area along Maple Street near Fifth Street.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Also Melissa Baum said one of the witnesses was a for sure witness,she knows this because she said she worked with this person.
One of the witnesses is a family friend(witness that sent Josh home,texted Melissa then saw Lindsey on her way home from KaraK's house)I don't know if the witness who is a family friend is also the witness that Melissa works with.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 17, 2009, 07:26:20 PM
No "identifiable" witnesses and no dog scent early on. Things that make you go hmmmmmm

sebastian

Could it be that the witnesses have not been identified because they not only observed Lindsey between 5th on Maple and her home but ... they also observed another person who legally cannot be identified.  In other words ... the witnesses observed the person of interest ... the person of interest that has brought the entire investigation to a standstill?

Could it be that Tamikosmom needs a break from the computer room?

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Later Monkeys.

Janet

Or could it be that one of the witnesses or both could have gotten the nights mixed up and actually saw her on another night? I don't know, this is all frustrating  ::MonkeyEek::


Or could it be that many residents of the area, (BeeHive Ret Center) are very elderly, & memories may not be so good.  I realize they are on 6th & Maple, but some do go for walks, altho that is a little late for them to be out, but not for sitting on porches.
I thought I read here from KaraK that the witness who sent Josh home and saw Lindsey on her way home from KaraK's house,works at the Bee-Hive.ICBW on that though and I have no time to confirm that.

My thoughts were(and still are)that Lindsey was taken by someone who was visiting someone at the Bee-Hive.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 08:54:40 PM
KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 08, 2009, 08:42:02 PM »


... As for working at the Beehive - I am part of that confusion apparently the witness was also the one who broke up the fight but she does not work at the BeeHive. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 17, 2009, 09:12:30 PM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034
Sister,I cried when I saw her sing Wild Horses live.Her voice just brings me to my knees,can't wait for her CD release in November.
Sorry for the OT.
 ::MonkeyAngel::
KarmaR, anything she sings makes me cry.  I too can't wait for November.  I've already reserved my copy!
 ::MonkeyToot::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 09:13:47 PM
If one of the witnesses is the same person who broke up the fight ... the family friend ... I assume that witness is creditible.  In other words ... there is no way the identity of Lindsey and the night she went missing could be mistaken.

Janet

+++++


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 17, 2009, 09:43:22 PM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034
Sister,I cried when I saw her sing Wild Horses live.Her voice just brings me to my knees,can't wait for her CD release in November.
Sorry for the OT.
 ::MonkeyAngel::
KarmaR, anything she sings makes me cry.  I too can't wait for November.  I've already reserved my copy!
 ::MonkeyToot::

Let me join this party!!  I can't wait for the CD to be released.  I will be first in line! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 17, 2009, 09:47:40 PM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034
Sister,I cried when I saw her sing Wild Horses live.Her voice just brings me to my knees,can't wait for her CD release in November.
Sorry for the OT.
 ::MonkeyAngel::
KarmaR, anything she sings makes me cry.  I too can't wait for November.  I've already reserved my copy!
 ::MonkeyToot::

Let me join this party!!  I can't wait for the CD to be released.  I will be first in line! 

 ::MonkeyToot::  :smt034 ::MonkeyToot::  :smt034 ::MonkeyToot::  :smt034


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 10:36:27 PM
If one of the witnesses is the same person who broke up the fight ... the family friend ... I assume that witness is creditible.  In other words ... there is no way the identity of Lindsey and the night she went missing could be mistaken.

Janet

+++++


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953




I know she denied it, but could the witness "family friend" be MM?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 17, 2009, 10:44:48 PM
If one of the witnesses is the same person who broke up the fight ... the family friend ... I assume that witness is creditible.  In other words ... there is no way the identity of Lindsey and the night she went missing could be mistaken.

Janet

+++++


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


I know she denied it, but could the witness "family friend" be MM?

Who is MM?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 17, 2009, 10:45:05 PM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 10:52:30 PM
If one of the witnesses is the same person who broke up the fight ... the family friend ... I assume that witness is creditible.  In other words ... there is no way the identity of Lindsey and the night she went missing could be mistaken.

Janet

+++++


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


I know she denied it, but could the witness "family friend" be MM?

Who is MM?

Thanks

Janet

Melissa McCann. When you bolded "family friend", I thought of Melissa McCann because of the "family friend" the media kept referring to her as.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 17, 2009, 10:56:17 PM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Hi Wyks,
I am still somewhat new at this so I don't know how to bold part of what you said. Was the witness a woman and did she leave town?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 17, 2009, 11:40:10 PM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Hi Wyks,
I am still somewhat new at this so I don't know how to bold part of what you said. Was the witness a woman and did she leave town?

Hi Sebastian,
That's what I've read... although am not sure anymore what was rumor and what was told us by locals, and what was true or not.   ::MonkeyConfused:: 

Supposedly it was a woman (family friend), who 'used to live' in town, and had been a neighbor of the Baum's.  (??)  And that she had been in town visiting a friend that day, who supposedly lived on Maple St. 

We've read that the woman/witness was on her way to work.  And I wonder... Was she just in town visiting a friend, then on her way to work?  Did she work in town, even tho she didn't live there anymore?   ::MonkeyConfused::

I just think it's so weird that this woman from out of town, saw the squabble bet Lindsey/Josh, went to visit her friend, then later saw Lindsey on her way to work.  The friend she supposedly visited.. Did that person see Lindsey too? 

So many questions we aren't getting answers to.  We've heard bits and pieces, here and there.  Am I pulling them all into one woman and jumbling up info on different women/witnesses?  Not sure.  Am not trying to do that! 

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 18, 2009, 12:01:42 AM
The witness texted Melissa after she broke up the fighting between Lindsey and Josh? Where is this information coming from???


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:59:21 AM
The witness texted Melissa after she broke up the fighting between Lindsey and Josh? Where is this information coming from???

That was reported, can't remember by who.  Maybe someone else can remember or has the link. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 01:03:19 AM
For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

This is from KK on this site. "POSSIBLE witness", "SHE DID NOT TAKE HER REGULAR ROUTE HOME". KK has added much to the confusion. I don't know if it is because was just posting bits and pieces of things she heard or what. Maybe KK knows more than she is letting on but was instructed by LE not to mention certain things. I just don't know what to think!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 01:22:32 AM
It's true that KK has shared a lot of bits and pieces, Sebastian.  I think that for me, when another local was saying a lot of stuff that didn't make sense, (and some say flat out lies), that's where my confusion came in.  Seems that KK has tried to clear some things up by what she has said.  When trying to look at all of what we've heard/read, from various people, it becomes one big muddle.  Which to believe as truth, which was rumor, which was exaggerated, and which was a flat out lie, etc.  Short of going back and listing everything we've heard/read on a spreadsheet, and sort things out, I'm just ----> ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 01:29:46 AM
Sebastian, did you see the pics of the cameras at the Shell gas station?   ::MonkeyConfused::

One was pointed near the gas tanks, and another on the roof looked like it was pointed straight out over the rooftops of nearby houses, not toward the street, or sidewalk.  Have heard that one camera supposedly didn't even work or some such. 

Am not sure that Lindsey would have been caught on those Shell cams, unless she were with someone pumping gas at that moment.  From the sound of it, she could have walked right on by the Shell, and not been on those cams at all.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do we know where else along her route there may have been a cam? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 01:38:54 AM
Wyks,
I have read somewhere that there was a market that stays open until 11p. A "Mike" owns it. I guess he has not been very pleasant to some of the locals. Do you know who I am talking about? Are you a local?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 01:46:01 AM
The path that Lindsey is said to have taken home that night is not normal - as far as when she is leaving my home and heading to hers but it is a street that she is familiar with and has a friend who lives on that street. So there is a good chance that she was bored and possibly was going to ask to stay the night elsewhere or just felt like walking.

I wonder who Lindsey's friend was. It must have been on 6th. I wonder if someone in that family was also one of the witnesses? HMMMMMM


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 02:07:21 AM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 18, 2009, 02:55:55 AM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 18, 2009, 02:57:25 AM
Sebastian, did you see the pics of the cameras at the Shell gas station?   ::MonkeyConfused::

One was pointed near the gas tanks, and another on the roof looked like it was pointed straight out over the rooftops of nearby houses, not toward the street, or sidewalk.  Have heard that one camera supposedly didn't even work or some such. 

Am not sure that Lindsey would have been caught on those Shell cams, unless she were with someone pumping gas at that moment.  From the sound of it, she could have walked right on by the Shell, and not been on those cams at all.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do we know where else along her route there may have been a cam? 



The other camera was aimed at Mike's market Gas prices sign ....lol



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:02:39 AM
KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1762 on: July 08, 2009, 08:42:02 PM »


... As for working at the Beehive - I am part of that confusion apparently the witness was also the one who broke up the fight but she does not work at the BeeHive. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870856#msg870856
 

Thank you Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:03:24 AM
KarmaR, o/t wasn't Susan Boyle sensational?  What a voice!
 :smt034
Sister,I cried when I saw her sing Wild Horses live.Her voice just brings me to my knees,can't wait for her CD release in November.
Sorry for the OT.
 ::MonkeyAngel::
KarmaR, anything she sings makes me cry.  I too can't wait for November.  I've already reserved my copy!
 ::MonkeyToot::
::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:06:39 AM
If one of the witnesses is the same person who broke up the fight ... the family friend ... I assume that witness is creditible.  In other words ... there is no way the identity of Lindsey and the night she went missing could be mistaken.

Janet

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ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.  Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house.
 
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home.    - Does that make sense? If not I'll try to make it clearer but I got to run but will come back and try to catch up on any ?'s.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953




I know she denied it, but could the witness "family friend" be MM?
That is a possibility.....But I'm still not sure that Melissa Baum worked at MM's dollar store.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:24:26 AM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Yes,supposedly the same witness who sent Josh home then texted Melissa B. is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her way home alone.Supposedly this witness is a family friend who was visiting someone who lives on KaraK's street,Maple,when she saw Lindsey.Also,in the beginning it was stated in the media that this witness saw Lindsey on her way to work for another County.

What I find wrong with the timeline is this:
1st witness breaks up fight between Lindsey and Josh,sends Josh home,texted Melissa Baum that she is sending Josh home.What time did this text happen.....9....9:05?
Mom Baum is expecting Lindsey to stay the night at KaraK's house(but she doesn't know for sure yet as the girls were going to KaraK's house to ask).
So when Josh arrives home after Mom Baum gets that text why does Mom Baum wait till 10:00 PM to panic when Lindsey wasn't home yet?
Melissa had to know by 9 PM or so that it was possible Lindsey would be walking home alone.Does she call KaraK's house?
I would think she called KaraK's house as soon as Josh arrived home but who knows? KaraK kinda mentioned that.
KaraK did say her cell phone was charging(she has no home line phone)and that her phone may have not picked up the call.When my cell phone is charging I can still make and receive calls.
Mom Baum has mentioned a few times that Lindsey was afraid of the dark and would not ever be out in the dark alone.

Some of us were also(I still think this is possible)thinking that someone in LE or a relative of someone in LE is involved in the kidnapping of Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:27:29 AM
The witness texted Melissa after she broke up the fighting between Lindsey and Josh? Where is this information coming from???
That info came from JenniferO who posts at Webslueths,and she got that info from either Mom Baum or KaraK.JenniferO works at the search center for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:33:07 AM
The path that Lindsey is said to have taken home that night is not normal - as far as when she is leaving my home and heading to hers but it is a street that she is familiar with and has a friend who lives on that street. So there is a good chance that she was bored and possibly was going to ask to stay the night elsewhere or just felt like walking.

I wonder who Lindsey's friend was. It must have been on 6th. I wonder if someone in that family was also one of the witnesses? HMMMMMM
I think this house Lindsey might have visited was the same house she swam at Thursday and Friday....I'll have to look when I get home from work but somewhere I think we tied this house to the same"friends house"KaraK was talking about.Also,the house where Lindsey and Kayla swam those 2 days,is said to be the house of some girls that Lindsey had a falling out with a while back and they had just renewed their friendship.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:39:06 AM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 
It does seem that way because originally on the way to ask if Kayla could stay over night the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay at Kayla's house.Also in the media someone(?)did make a statement that Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble and this person said"Lindsey please come home,you're not in trouble".That may have come from Melissa Baum or Melissa McCann....not sure.
So Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble because of the bike fight with her brother,that's why I think she headed back to the Shell station to get the bike and head home.
Amazing that the bike sat at that Shell station for 2-3 days after Lindsey went missing huh?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:43:44 AM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Yes,supposedly the same witness who sent Josh home then texted Melissa B. is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her way home alone.Supposedly this witness is a family friend who was visiting someone who lives on KaraK's street,Maple,when she saw Lindsey.Also,in the beginning it was stated in the media that this witness saw Lindsey on her way to work for another County.

What I find wrong with the timeline is this:
1st witness breaks up fight between Lindsey and Josh,sends Josh home,texted Melissa Baum that she is sending Josh home.What time did this text happen.....9....9:05?
Mom Baum is expecting Lindsey to stay the night at KaraK's house(but she doesn't know for sure yet as the girls were going to KaraK's house to ask).
So when Josh arrives home after Mom Baum gets that text why does Mom Baum wait till 10:00 PM to panic when Lindsey wasn't home yet?
Melissa had to know by 9 PM or so that it was possible Lindsey would be walking home alone.Does she call KaraK's house?
I would think she called KaraK's house as soon as Josh arrived home but who knows? KaraK kinda mentioned that.
KaraK did say her cell phone was charging(she has no home line phone)and that her phone may have not picked up the call.When my cell phone is charging I can still make and receive calls.
Mom Baum has mentioned a few times that Lindsey was afraid of the dark and would not ever be out in the dark alone.

Some of us were also(I still think this is possible)thinking that someone in LE or a relative of someone in LE is involved in the kidnapping of Lindsey.
Sorry correction on the bolded above:
Mom Baum expected Kayla and Lindsey home as they went to ask if Kayla could stay the night at Lindsey's.Still.....doesn't anyone use phones any more?Also I think it's just as wrong for one 10 yo to be out walking the streets as 2 10 yo's.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 18, 2009, 09:24:54 AM
O/T:  Sorry for the off-topic post, but since Haleigh's Cage and Lindsey's cage are most active right now, I thought I'd post here. We finally received the approved reward poster from LE in the Nevaeh Buchanan case. I posted it in Nevaeh's cage. Please stop in and take a look. It really came out nice. I've had over 1000 copies made, and we're in the process of developing our distribution strategy. Feel free to post it, email it, etc.at will. And if you know anyone located in or around Monroe that may be willing to help, please let me know. Thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 09:37:01 AM
Good Morning Karma

It appears that the 10 year old little girl's was 10:00 PM.  Melissa Baum phoned Kara at 10:25 PM.

Janet

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 04:03:25 AM

What time did Melissa contact you with her concern that the girls had not returned home?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864836;topicseen#msg864836


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 18, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
For some of the other posters regarding the camera's and Lindsey's route: From a possible witness on the night that Lindsey disappeared she did not take her regular route home. If that is true she would not have had to come through an area where she would have been picked up on those camera's. Instead she would have been headed up 6th street hill into a strictly residential area where there are no businesses which would be consistent with the original trail said to have been picked up by the dogs.

This is from KK on this site. "POSSIBLE witness", "SHE DID NOT TAKE HER REGULAR ROUTE HOME". KK has added much to the confusion. I don't know if it is because was just posting bits and pieces of things she heard or what. Maybe KK knows more than she is letting on but was instructed by LE not to mention certain things. I just don't know what to think!
I don't know what to think either. How do we really know she didn't take her regular route home, what do we really know about the two witnesses, if there were really witnesses. I'm stuck on several things, one of them being the witnesses  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 18, 2009, 09:46:42 AM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 
Thank-you Wyks for bringing that up, I have brought this up before why didn't she want to go home, and going to ask to sleep over at other people's houses? I realize kids like slumber parties, but this feels more like she just didn't want to be at home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 18, 2009, 09:48:08 AM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all
Thank-you  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 18, 2009, 09:50:32 AM
It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs?   ::MonkeyEek:: To convenient if you ask me.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 10:20:34 AM
no rose colored glasses

I would assume that the "visit" was taking place outside of a residence.  When it is considered that there was less than an hour between the intervening of the argument and Lindsey's journey back home ... it does not seem unusual to me that that the same person who sent Josh home could have witnessed Lindsey following her departure from the Kampen/Williams residence.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


APPROXIMATE TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
8:30 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
8:40 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
8:45 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
8:55 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 10:46:28 AM
Sebastian, did you see the pics of the cameras at the Shell gas station?   ::MonkeyConfused::

One was pointed near the gas tanks, and another on the roof looked like it was pointed straight out over the rooftops of nearby houses, not toward the street, or sidewalk.  Have heard that one camera supposedly didn't even work or some such. 

Am not sure that Lindsey would have been caught on those Shell cams, unless she were with someone pumping gas at that moment.  From the sound of it, she could have walked right on by the Shell, and not been on those cams at all.   ::MonkeyNoNo::

Do we know where else along her route there may have been a cam? 



The other camera was aimed at Mike's market Gas prices sign ....lol



 ::MonkeyHaHa::   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 10:49:46 AM
Karma

According to KaraK ...

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1081 on: July 05, 2009, 04:00:50 AM »


According to my daughter the thought of anyone spending the night at my house was thought up on the way to my house. So, Lindsey's mom would have had reason to be worried when she did not show up by 10ish because she at that time was (to my knowledge) not aware the girls had asked me or were going to ask to spend the night at my house or that I'd said no.  I believe she was under the impression that both girls would be coming back to her house which would take them longer because Kayla has to bring along many outfits if she stays the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864834


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 11:02:16 AM
I speculate that LE has been focused on a person of interest very early on.  I believe that this is why there is an appearance of apathy in regards to the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum #2
« Reply #549 on: July 17, 2009, 10:10:17 AM »


They would not tell us who has or has not been searched. We have seriously gotten little more then the following three phrases "We'll look into that", "nothing new" and "this is unrelated to Lindsey's disappearance..."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5627.msg880225;topicseen#msg880225


KOMO NEWS - JULY 1, 2009

Experts with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children say if the girl was abducted, it most likely wasn't by a stranger who was hiding in the bushes.

"From what knowledge we have and the information that I have that it's someone that she possibly knows, somebody that is in the area," said Henry Schmidt with the organization ...

http://www.komonews.com/news/49651607.html


THE DAILY WORLD - JULY 2, 2009

Scott said authorities have run into several dead ends with almost no signs of the 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl, who was last spotted wearing a blue pullover shirt and blue jeans.

“I don’t know anything more than I knew Saturday afternoon,” he said, “but I’m not willing to admit that I know anything less.”

Scott said bloodhounds traced the route Lindsey took early on from the friend’s house to her own home, but didn’t find any scent. And in places where Lindsey once played — parks and by the creek — Lindsey’s scent has been vanishing.

The loss of scent could be a combination of factors — the heat on the sidewalk could have dissipated it for instance, he said.

http://**/articles/2009/07/02/local_news/doc4a4cf43c1b1dd881132403.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 11:04:00 AM
Things are different than they were back in the ancient days when I was 10.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cuz I know for fact what my parents would have done, had my older bro and I been squabbling like that.  My bro, upon getting back home, would have been chewed out but good, sternly told to adjust his attitude (with a promised lecture for me as well), then sent straight back to where I was, to finish what he'd been sent to do -- walk me back home. 

'Course back in that day, one of the parents would have either driven me home, or walked back with me the ENTIRE way, waiting til the door opened and I stepped inside.  I still wait like that when dropping off my GROWN young adult son's friends.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

But.... these days, they have a'changed. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 11:11:36 AM
Where is Jim Mullin's Creek?  Is it far from 5th and Maple?  Is this creek the one shown on the map provided by Karma?

I wonder what led authorities to search that creek early on in the investigation?

Janet

++++++++

Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009


After four days, searchers say they're trying to remain optimistic. Today Grays Harbor County called in the State Patrol's plane for help.

More dogs were called out to look in the neighborhood where Lindsey was last seen walking home from a friend's house Friday night.

Every option is still on the table for police, who say Lindsey could have been injured, lost, kidnapped or just ran away.

"We have not found evidence, we have not found circumstances, witnesses or information that speaks specifically as to what happened to Lindsey," said Scott.

Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.  

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 11:14:47 AM
Things are different than they were back in the ancient days when I was 10.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cuz I know for fact what my parents would have done, had my older bro and I been squabbling like that.  My bro, upon getting back home, would have been chewed out but good, sternly told to adjust his attitude (with a promised lecture for me as well), then sent straight back to where I was, to finish what he'd been sent to do -- walk me back home. 

'Course back in that day, one of the parents would have either driven me home, or walked back with me the ENTIRE way, waiting til the door opened and I stepped inside.  I still wait like that when dropping off my GROWN young adult son's friends.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

But.... these days, they have a'changed.  


Not in Tamikosmom's world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Wyks.

Have a good day Monkeys.


Janet
8:15 AM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
O/T:  Sorry for the off-topic post, but since Haleigh's Cage and Lindsey's cage are most active right now, I thought I'd post here. We finally received the approved reward poster from LE in the Nevaeh Buchanan case. I posted it in Nevaeh's cage. Please stop in and take a look. It really came out nice. I've had over 1000 copies made, and we're in the process of developing our distribution strategy. Feel free to post it, email it, etc.at will. And if you know anyone located in or around Monroe that may be willing to help, please let me know. Thank you.

Thank you JessStar.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 11:28:55 AM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Yes,supposedly the same witness who sent Josh home then texted Melissa B. is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her way home alone.Supposedly this witness is a family friend who was visiting someone who lives on KaraK's street,Maple,when she saw Lindsey.Also,in the beginning it was stated in the media that this witness saw Lindsey on her way to work for another County.

What I find wrong with the timeline is this:
1st witness breaks up fight between Lindsey and Josh,sends Josh home,texted Melissa Baum that she is sending Josh home.What time did this text happen.....9....9:05?
Mom Baum is expecting Lindsey to stay the night at KaraK's house(but she doesn't know for sure yet as the girls were going to KaraK's house to ask).
So when Josh arrives home after Mom Baum gets that text why does Mom Baum wait till 10:00 PM to panic when Lindsey wasn't home yet?
Melissa had to know by 9 PM or so that it was possible Lindsey would be walking home alone.Does she call KaraK's house?
I would think she called KaraK's house as soon as Josh arrived home but who knows? KaraK kinda mentioned that.
KaraK did say her cell phone was charging(she has no home line phone)and that her phone may have not picked up the call.When my cell phone is charging I can still make and receive calls.
Mom Baum has mentioned a few times that Lindsey was afraid of the dark and would not ever be out in the dark alone.

Some of us were also(I still think this is possible)thinking that someone in LE or a relative of someone in LE is involved in the kidnapping of Lindsey.

Thanks Karma, and great points here! 

I'm curious to know if Mom Baum talked about the squabble with Josh.  She knew, cuz the friend had texted her, and supposedly it was Mom Baum who asked her to send him home.  (have read this explained two ways - one, that the friend texted Mom B. and then sent Josh home.  and two, that the friend sent Josh home, and then texted Mom B. to tell her what had happened).  At any rate, Mom B knew what had happened, and did she talk with Josh later?  This is why I was reading with great interest for the answer to other monkeys wondering if Josh even went back home.  And I have to say... Still am not sure what that answer is. 

I am an involved Mom, just ask my sons!  LOL  Had I learned of a squabble, I'd be on the phone with the other child.  I wouldn't wait til that child got home.  But especially considering there would be a walk home, with or without friend, while it was getting dark, esp if said child was afraid of the dark.  I'd have walked there myself if the other PARENT (not child) couldn't walk her home.  But then, that's me.  I was the parent who always seemed to end up doing the driving home, of all my sons friends.  Even 10 years ago, seems those parents just couldn't 'be bothered' or something.  But I wasn't gonna let em walk in the dark.  Even just down the street or around the corner.  IMO, it's what involved parents do. 

And my cell is like yours Karma, I can make/receive calls while it's charging.  When it was brand new and I was still scared of it, LOL, I'd turn it off tho while charging.  Maybe that's what KK had done.  ?? 

Soooooooooooooooo ..  I'm not alone in thinking that it's possible someone in or connected to LE "might" be involved, eh?  Good to know that others are thinking the same way!!  It's one thing that could explain the seeming apathy from many in the local community.  How does one go about fighting something like that.  If it's true.  Sigh. 

Is the FBI connected to this case yet/still??  They'd be ones who could catch onto this, if it's an actual concern.  IMO. 
     


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 11:50:48 AM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 
It does seem that way because originally on the way to ask if Kayla could stay over night the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay at Kayla's house.Also in the media someone(?)did make a statement that Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble and this person said"Lindsey please come home,you're not in trouble".That may have come from Melissa Baum or Melissa McCann....not sure.
So Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble because of the bike fight with her brother,that's why I think she headed back to the Shell station to get the bike and head home.
Amazing that the bike sat at that Shell station for 2-3 days after Lindsey went missing huh?

Yeppers!!  Am thinking it was Mom B who made that statement.  Cuz I wondered at the time, honestly.. do you think Lindsey is now tucked away somewhere worried that she was in trouble?  But then, were it one of mine gone missing, I'd be doing and saying anything necessary in trying to get them back home, without worrying first if it made much sense.  It may have been what seems to have kept Lindsey from running all the way straight home that night.  But I doubt that it's why she's still missing. 

Unless of course....... (sorry just gotta throw this out there).... IF Josh got into major trouble when he got home, and IF he left the house again, to lay in wait for Lindsey for revenge.  Dunno how or what he might have done, haven't really worked that scenario out, but I guess it's just as much a possibility as anything else we've got to go on. 

One thing is for sure, Lindsey was nervous about something, as seen by what she wrote in her myspace/facebook about 'something going to happen'.  That's why I don't think it was just a random person who drove into town and grabbed her. 

IMO, she is far too young to be so very worried about life.  Kinda makes me wonder what really was going on at home, behind doors.  That, or with others that she and/or family members knew. 

Still want to know about this "church" that Lindsey and Josh supposedly had attended shortly before she went missing........... The one that so many locals seem to abhor.  Was Mom B even aware of how the locals feel about it, before Josh/Lindsey attended there?  Was she aware that Josh and Lindsey went there at least once?  Did she meet any of the people at this "church"?  And etc....

Karma, I too think that Lindsey intended on grabbing the bike on her way home.  Cuz even if she did get into trouble for the squabble there, it wouldn't have been so bad for her (I would think), had she made sure the bike got back home.  So am thinking she was headed for the Shell and the bike, but evidently didn't reach that point. 

And like you, and other monkeys, am wondering why the family (or even LE) left the bike there for so long afterward? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:06:49 PM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 
Thank-you Wyks for bringing that up, I have brought this up before why didn't she want to go home, and going to ask to sleep over at other people's houses? I realize kids like slumber parties, but this feels more like she just didn't want to be at home.

YW NoRose!   ::MonkeyKiss:: 

Yeah, I know we've discussed this before, I just cannot get what seems to have been a 'feeling of dread' for Lindsey, out of my mind.  Poor thing. 

Also.. when I saw those recent aerial maps that our monkeys posted, I saw how Lindsey's street goes at an angle toward Beck.  Some of us have wondered if she got to her street and then went up 1st toward Beck.  I'm wondering if the perp took her down her own street to Beck.   ::MonkeyEek::  Not sure tho that her street actually connects to Beck, but if they were on a motorcycle or such, that wouldn't likely matter. 

We read Mr. Oakes reported that they had "tracked up to Beck......."  (a live scent of Lindsey, correct?)  Am confused about where that scent track actually began.   

My heart goes out to Lindsey's loved ones, as well as the locals in town who had contact with her that day/night, who ended up for their own reasons, telling her no and sending her on her way back home.  Can you imagine how they must be feeling now?  I'd be beside myself with, "If only I had let her stay the night....' etc.  Not their fault, and I'm not trying to place blame and guilt!!  Just saying that I would be consumed with guilt, whether right or wrong. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 12:07:04 PM
Janet, I agree something is not right. No matter how I try to follow different thoughts and ideas, I keep coming back to my original thoughts, which I find disturbing.

no rose colored glasses

Considering the argument a short time prior to Lindsey's diappearance ... the question concerning whether Josh was home at that crucial time been around since the getgo.  If this young man was home ... I wish LE would confirm it and ... speculation regarding Josh can cease.

I emailed McLeary LE and the FBI regarding this topic.  No response.

Janet

What I find very odd is that the bike being left at the Shell station for 2-3 days.Wasn't the search dogs out trying to track Lindseys scent by then?Wasn't LE out walking Lindseys route by then?Why was the bike left at the Shell station 2-3 days if anyone walked Lindseys exact route?Lindsey could have planned to return to the station to get the bike and return home IMO.

Me too.  Such incompetence!

Consider the argument ... I believe that it is possible that Lindsey stopped at the Shell station on her way home to check if Josh took the bike home and ... met with foul play.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home. 
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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953




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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 18, 2009, 12:12:47 PM
KaraK does not seem to want to commit herself in regards to whether Josh Baum was home with Mom when Lindsey began her journey home on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
»

1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:14:34 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:15:57 PM
O/T:  Sorry for the off-topic post, but since Haleigh's Cage and Lindsey's cage are most active right now, I thought I'd post here. We finally received the approved reward poster from LE in the Nevaeh Buchanan case. I posted it in Nevaeh's cage. Please stop in and take a look. It really came out nice. I've had over 1000 copies made, and we're in the process of developing our distribution strategy. Feel free to post it, email it, etc.at will. And if you know anyone located in or around Monroe that may be willing to help, please let me know. Thank you.

Great news, Jess!  Thanks! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 12:21:47 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:24:45 PM
I speculate that LE has been focused on a person of interest very early on.  I believe that this is why there is an appearance of apathy in regards to the Lindsey Baum case.

Janet


Thanks Janet!  I wonder if LE understands that by saying very little, even when they have made statements, it can leave folks (local and otherwise) even more worried?  I do understand tho, that at times they cannot say much, or it might hurt the progress in the case.  It just seems from what we have heard from locals and such, that nothing is being done.  Would be nice to hear some assurances from LE.  IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:32:36 PM
Things are different than they were back in the ancient days when I was 10.   ::MonkeyHaHa::

Cuz I know for fact what my parents would have done, had my older bro and I been squabbling like that.  My bro, upon getting back home, would have been chewed out but good, sternly told to adjust his attitude (with a promised lecture for me as well), then sent straight back to where I was, to finish what he'd been sent to do -- walk me back home. 

'Course back in that day, one of the parents would have either driven me home, or walked back with me the ENTIRE way, waiting til the door opened and I stepped inside.  I still wait like that when dropping off my GROWN young adult son's friends.   ::MonkeyHaHa:: 

But.... these days, they have a'changed.  


Not in Tamikosmom's world.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Good Morning Wyks.

Have a good day Monkeys.


Janet
8:15 AM PT


Good morning Janet!   ::MonkeyWink:: 

And... not in my world either.  Much to the chagrin of my three sons.  Who must have thought that once they hit their mid and latter 20s, I'd get bored with knowing/seeing all that goes on with them.  Heh! 

But ya know..... Many of the things that I take for the everyday normal concerns of being a mom/grandma just don't seem to be expected or done etc by very many others.  Doesn't stop me from doing/saying those things tho.  I just wonder about some parents/grandparents these days.  Many seem to have too much of a selfish into their own lives kind of thing, IMO.  And it seems as a result, there are farrrrrrrr too many children being caught up in horrendous trauma/death.  Sigh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:38:00 PM
KaraK does not seem to want to commit herself in regards to whether Josh Baum was home with Mom when Lindsey began her journey home on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
»

1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?

Since we cannot directly ask Mom B, and we only have KKs word for it, it's just hard to understand why we're not getting a simple yes or no for what seems to be a simple question.  And I have to wonder why??  I understand KKs answer to that, she wasn't there, she only knows what she was told.  Yet it seems that she is being VERY careful in her answer, doesn't it?  And I have to wonder why on that as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 12:45:07 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 18, 2009, 01:37:01 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   



I thought the man wasn't very nice, but the wife seemed alright. He didn't speak the best English when I was in town, but he had enough to get by on. They should have been opened when Lindsey was walking home, they close at either 11 or 12.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 18, 2009, 01:54:27 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Lindsey used to come into my old work when she was 8 or 9. She was usually with friends though and during daylight hours.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 18, 2009, 02:03:14 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.
Great points, I know if Lindsey was my child I wouldn't be sitting in a store. Something is very wrong with all this, I believe Lindsey and Josh could come and go when they wanted. What was Melissa doing that night I wonder? If Josh did come home, wouldn't she have called KK to see if Lindsey was going to stay the night, or is she coming home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 18, 2009, 03:37:48 PM
OT

SPOKANE, Wash. —  Authorities have put out a statewide alert for a mentally ill killer who escaped during a hospital field trip to a county fair, leading to fears that he'll become more unstable and potentially dangerous the longer he is on the loose with no medication.

Phillip Arnold Paul most likely jumped a train and is headed to his parents home in Sunnyside, Washington, authorities told FOX News. Paul checks in with his family daily — and they hope he will continue his previous habit.

Sgt. Dave Reagan of the Spokane County sheriff's office says Phillip Arnold Paul remained at large Friday and officials believe he's headed to Sunnyside, the town where his parents live. Anyone spotting him should call 911 and not try to confront him.

Paul was committed after he was acquitted by reason of insanity in the 1987 slaying of an elderly woman in Sunnyside. He soaked the woman's body in gasoline to throw off search dogs and buried the remains in her flower garden. He reportedly said voices in his head told him she was a witch.

He was caught trying to escape four years later, only to knock a deputy unconscious in the booking area following his arrest.

The 57-year-old Paul escaped Thursday during a supervised outing to the Spokane County Interstate Fair for patients from Eastern State Hospital. Thirty-one patients from the mental hospital were on the trip with 11 staff members.

-------------------------------------------------


OK Who was the Bozo group that decided that field trips to local fairs was a good idea for the criminally insane ?
Was that Pelosi ?

Anyways that really pisses me off. I hope somebody does not get murdered over this escape.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 18, 2009, 04:07:26 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   




Mike's market is now closed and and rather abruptly too.

They were open until 11pm usually.

Nobody I have talked to knew it was closing.

Doors open 1 day and closed the next

Mikes did have camera's


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 18, 2009, 04:43:44 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   




Mike's market is now closed and and rather abruptly too.

They were open until 11pm usually.

Nobody I have talked to knew it was closing.

Doors open 1 day and closed the next

Mikes did have camera's

That's not the first time that Mikes Abruptly closed though. Do you remember back when they had closed down before they got the recent owner? And they remodeled a bit. But the people who worked for them didn't know what was going on, they showed up for shift and the doors were locked.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 05:07:29 PM
Good Morning Karma

It appears that the 10 year old little girl's was 10:00 PM.  Melissa Baum phoned Kara at 10:25 PM.

Janet

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Quote from: Tamikosmom on July 05, 2009, 04:03:25 AM

What time did Melissa contact you with her concern that the girls had not returned home?

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1085 on: July 05, 2009, 05:39:45 AM »


I believe it was 10:25 when I got the call. I am not sure if she tried previous to that because my battery was drained and charging and I have a majorly cheap phone that works only when it wants to.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864836;topicseen#msg864836


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said her children began squabbling over the use of Josh's bike on the way there and were stopped by a family friend who sent Josh home to end the argument. Lindsey continued on to her friend's house. When Lindsey's friend found out she couldn't stay the night, Lindsey headed for home around 9:30 p.m.

"When she wasn't home by 10, I started to get nervous," Baum said, adding that 10 p.m. is the curfew for her children.  

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


Thanks Janet
Yeah,small town,nothing ever happens there and all of that.Well something did happen and Lindsey has been gone a long,long time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 05:39:44 PM
How about this?
1.  Mellisa and Scott williams passed the polygraph.
2.  Two witnesses came forward and said they seen Lindsey on Maple near 5th.
2.  Last seen about 9:30
3.  Harry Oakes dogs tracked scent out ATV road and 1/2 mile from Beck St. there was a dead human alert.
Now this is what I speculate:
This is small town USA like back in the 50's.  No crime. No cams.  No fear.  Everyone knows everyone else.  Few computers.  News from local papers and a lot don't even have cable.  Heck, if I lived there, I may not even lock my door.  What for??  My kids curfew would be "home by dark".  No big deal.  I have to rule out Melissa and Kara's household(passed polygraph).  Witnesses gave out more information on who else they saw.  Wouldn't want anyone in town know I fingered them, especially if one my be perp.  I believe Lindsey accepted a ride from someone she trusted(someone she had seen before).  If Lindsey's scent goes out the ATV road, only a local would have knowledge of that road.  Without physical evidence or a confession, the case would come to a standstill.  Any thought? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 06:03:46 PM
So many things going thru my mind re the witnesses and why they haven't been identified.  There are many scenarios, I could come up with, yet that would just be adding more guesses to the mix, and no real way of finding out. 

Am trying to think of why LE would not reveal the identity of these witnesses. 

For their own protection?  And if so, from what/whom?   

Are these witnesses perhaps 'pillars of the community' ... 'dregs of society' ... or 'average citizens'? 

Are they believeable?  Am guessing so, since it's been reported that the sightings have been 'confirmed' by LE. 

As other monkeys have wondered, if perhaps the witnesses saw more than what LE has said publically.  As in they may have seen the perp/s or an event that led to Lindsey going missing.  And if so, is there a fear for retaliation from the perp/s?  Is LE quietly watching in order to get more info, or give the perp/s enough rope to hang themself?  And yet.. it's been a long time.  Altho that may be happening in other cases too. 

It seems that the one lady (witness) who saw Lindsey and Josh squabbling, who supposedly texted their mom and sent Josh home, she sure was in the right place at the right time that day, wasn't she?  Cuz wasn't she the one who later saw Lindsey at/near 5th and Maple, after leaving KKs? 

It doesn't sit right with me that she split up the kids that night.  And maybe that's with hindsight tho.  Cuz it seems that IF Josh had stayed with the two girls, he'd have been with Lindsey on the walk home.  And Lindsey may not be missing today. 

And then... for all that the lady was here, was there, was seemingly everywhere that day/evening... she up and leaves town, or wasn't even living there at the time?  Was it just a fluke that it seems she was nearly everywhere Lindsey was that day? 

Does LE give witnesses a poly????? 

Sigh.. I dunno.  I doubt there's anyway to know anything for sure.  Not til LE starts talking.
 
What IF 'one of their own' in LE is involved in this mess somehow?   ::MonkeyEek::  Could that cause this apparent silence and lack of action by so many? 

       
Yes,supposedly the same witness who sent Josh home then texted Melissa B. is also the same witness who saw Lindsey on her way home alone.Supposedly this witness is a family friend who was visiting someone who lives on KaraK's street,Maple,when she saw Lindsey.Also,in the beginning it was stated in the media that this witness saw Lindsey on her way to work for another County.

What I find wrong with the timeline is this:
1st witness breaks up fight between Lindsey and Josh,sends Josh home,texted Melissa Baum that she is sending Josh home.What time did this text happen.....9....9:05?
Mom Baum is expecting Lindsey to stay the night at KaraK's house(but she doesn't know for sure yet as the girls were going to KaraK's house to ask).Corrected in an earlier post to:Originally Lindsey and Kayla were going to ask if Kayla could stay over at Lindsey's that night.
So when Josh arrives home after Mom Baum gets that text why does Mom Baum wait till 10:00 PM to panic when Lindsey wasn't home yet?
Melissa had to know by 9 PM or so that it was possible Lindsey would be walking home alone.Does she call KaraK's house?
I would think she called KaraK's house as soon as Josh arrived home but who knows? KaraK kinda mentioned that.
KaraK did say her cell phone was charging(she has no home line phone)and that her phone may have not picked up the call.When my cell phone is charging I can still make and receive calls.
Mom Baum has mentioned a few times that Lindsey was afraid of the dark and would not ever be out in the dark alone.

Some of us were also(I still think this is possible)thinking that someone in LE or a relative of someone in LE is involved in the kidnapping of Lindsey.

Thanks Karma, and great points here! 

I'm curious to know if Mom Baum talked about the squabble with Josh.  She knew, cuz the friend had texted her, and supposedly it was Mom Baum who asked her to send him home.  (have read this explained two ways - one, that the friend texted Mom B. and then sent Josh home.  and two, that the friend sent Josh home, and then texted Mom B. to tell her what had happened).  At any rate, Mom B knew what had happened, and did she talk with Josh later?  This is why I was reading with great interest for the answer to other monkeys wondering if Josh even went back home.  And I have to say... Still am not sure what that answer is. 

I am an involved Mom, just ask my sons!  LOL  Had I learned of a squabble, I'd be on the phone with the other child.  I wouldn't wait til that child got home.  But especially considering there would be a walk home, with or without friend, while it was getting dark, esp if said child was afraid of the dark.  I'd have walked there myself if the other PARENT (not child) couldn't walk her home.  But then, that's me.  I was the parent who always seemed to end up doing the driving home, of all my sons friends.  Even 10 years ago, seems those parents just couldn't 'be bothered' or something.  But I wasn't gonna let em walk in the dark.  Even just down the street or around the corner.  IMO, it's what involved parents do. 

And my cell is like yours Karma, I can make/receive calls while it's charging.  When it was brand new and I was still scared of it, LOL, I'd turn it off tho while charging.  Maybe that's what KK had done.  ?? 

Soooooooooooooooo ..  I'm not alone in thinking that it's possible someone in or connected to LE "might" be involved, eh?  Good to know that others are thinking the same way!!  It's one thing that could explain the seeming apathy from many in the local community.  How does one go about fighting something like that.  If it's true.  Sigh. 

Is the FBI connected to this case yet/still??  They'd be ones who could catch onto this, if it's an actual concern.  IMO. 
     

I still don't know if Josh went directly home but IMO it doesn't matter as I don't suspect Josh,I may suspect an older teen or adult that Josh knows though.
Everyone keeps telling us how small town,low key McCleary is and things like this never happen but it did.
I worry because Melissa Baum has stated that Josh likes to wander the town and Josh supposedly has Aspergers and Josh is Lindsey's brother and Lindsey is still missing and I would never let my kids wander around the town at all let alone when one of them is missing but that's just me.I am not putting down Melissa Baum.

I do suspect someone within LE....either a LE,Forest Ranger or someone of authority or a relative of the like.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 06:11:10 PM
No, I'm not a local.  I live in the mid-west.  Just basing my thoughts on what other locals have mentioned. 

Seems there has been discussions about a Mike.  And a Rick?  Some of the businesses around there. 

I do remember reading that Lindsey may have gone to another friend's house, asked to stay all night, and was told no, then she went on her way.  Dunno if that was rumor tho. 

If that happened, why does it seem that she didn't want to go home that night?    ::MonkeyEek::  Was she afraid of getting in trouble at home, because of the bike and the squabble with Josh?  Or was she just bored and not nervous about going home? 
 
It does seem that way because originally on the way to ask if Kayla could stay over night the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could stay at Kayla's house.Also in the media someone(?)did make a statement that Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble and this person said"Lindsey please come home,you're not in trouble".That may have come from Melissa Baum or Melissa McCann....not sure.
So Lindsey may have thought she was in trouble because of the bike fight with her brother,that's why I think she headed back to the Shell station to get the bike and head home.
Amazing that the bike sat at that Shell station for 2-3 days after Lindsey went missing huh?

Yeppers!!  Am thinking it was Mom B who made that statement.  Cuz I wondered at the time, honestly.. do you think Lindsey is now tucked away somewhere worried that she was in trouble?  But then, were it one of mine gone missing, I'd be doing and saying anything necessary in trying to get them back home, without worrying first if it made much sense.  It may have been what seems to have kept Lindsey from running all the way straight home that night.  But I doubt that it's why she's still missing. 

Unless of course....... (sorry just gotta throw this out there).... IF Josh got into major trouble when he got home, and IF he left the house again, to lay in wait for Lindsey for revenge.  Dunno how or what he might have done, haven't really worked that scenario out, but I guess it's just as much a possibility as anything else we've got to go on. 

One thing is for sure, Lindsey was nervous about something, as seen by what she wrote in her myspace/facebook about 'something going to happen'.  That's why I don't think it was just a random person who drove into town and grabbed her. 

IMO, she is far too young to be so very worried about life.  Kinda makes me wonder what really was going on at home, behind doors.  That, or with others that she and/or family members knew. 

Still want to know about this "church" that Lindsey and Josh supposedly had attended shortly before she went missing........... The one that so many locals seem to abhor.  Was Mom B even aware of how the locals feel about it, before Josh/Lindsey attended there?  Was she aware that Josh and Lindsey went there at least once?  Did she meet any of the people at this "church"?  And etc....

Karma, I too think that Lindsey intended on grabbing the bike on her way home.  Cuz even if she did get into trouble for the squabble there, it wouldn't have been so bad for her (I would think), had she made sure the bike got back home.  So am thinking she was headed for the Shell and the bike, but evidently didn't reach that point. 

And like you, and other monkeys, am wondering why the family (or even LE) left the bike there for so long afterward? 

It's either LE knows a lot more than we think and they are working on it(even though it doesn't seem so to me)or LE has no clue and this is a cold case already.IMO they started the ball rolling much too late with the community searches and trying to get the media involved.I am happy they are doing searches now but they now have a place to organize so why is it going to be 3 weeks before the next community search?
I am losing hope that Lindsey is still alive and I am losing hope that they will find her in this year.
 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 18, 2009, 06:21:53 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   




Mike's market is now closed and and rather abruptly too.

They were open until 11pm usually.

Nobody I have talked to knew it was closing.

Doors open 1 day and closed the next

Mikes did have camera's
I had read at WS from a local that Mike's Market was closed for renovations/remodel a few weeks after Lindsey went missing.Then they said it was closed for good. :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 06:49:11 PM
no rose colored glasses

I would assume that the "visit" was taking place outside of a residence.  When it is considered that there was less than an hour between the intervening of the argument and Lindsey's journey back home ... it does not seem unusual to me that that the same person who sent Josh home could have witnessed Lindsey following her departure from the Kampen/Williams residence.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1578 on: July 07, 2009, 10:37:19 PM »


... As for the argument: according to my daughter right now: it started at Shell station (this is where they left the bike) then they continued walking til they were on Maple (I know this was confused earlier possibly because I didn't understand what Kayla was saying) they were several houses down from mine when the family friend (who apparently was visiting a another friend on this street) told Josh to go home. ...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg868953#msg868953


APPROXIMATE TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
8:30 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
8:40 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
8:45 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
8:55 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHT – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE
 

I had compiled a timeline when KK was still on here answering questions.  She had stated that between arriving at the Baum residence and leaving the Baum residence Lindsey had a bath/shower.  I pointed out that there did nto seem to be enough time to get undressed, shower, dressed, and primped and she acknowledge that it did look wrong and would be asking her daughter about it.  She confirmed that the shower/ bath did not take place before video store, it was after video store and before the walk to KK's.  I do not know how to look at my old posts but if anyone can find it and bump it I would very much appreciate it.  It also listed the time from leaving the baum residence, the teasing of Josh, fight over the bike, intervention and that there did not seem enough time in that 15 minutes to get that all in as well.

TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   



I thought the man wasn't very nice, but the wife seemed alright. He didn't speak the best English when I was in town, but he had enough to get by on. They should have been opened when Lindsey was walking home, they close at either 11 or 12.


Ok, thanks Jademoff! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 06:54:07 PM
OT

SPOKANE, Wash. —  Authorities have put out a statewide alert for a mentally ill killer who escaped during a hospital field trip to a county fair, leading to fears that he'll become more unstable and potentially dangerous the longer he is on the loose with no medication.

Phillip Arnold Paul most likely jumped a train and is headed to his parents home in Sunnyside, Washington, authorities told FOX News. Paul checks in with his family daily — and they hope he will continue his previous habit.

Sgt. Dave Reagan of the Spokane County sheriff's office says Phillip Arnold Paul remained at large Friday and officials believe he's headed to Sunnyside, the town where his parents live. Anyone spotting him should call 911 and not try to confront him.

Paul was committed after he was acquitted by reason of insanity in the 1987 slaying of an elderly woman in Sunnyside. He soaked the woman's body in gasoline to throw off search dogs and buried the remains in her flower garden. He reportedly said voices in his head told him she was a witch.

He was caught trying to escape four years later, only to knock a deputy unconscious in the booking area following his arrest.

The 57-year-old Paul escaped Thursday during a supervised outing to the Spokane County Interstate Fair for patients from Eastern State Hospital. Thirty-one patients from the mental hospital were on the trip with 11 staff members.

-------------------------------------------------


OK Who was the Bozo group that decided that field trips to local fairs was a good idea for the criminally insane ?
Was that Pelosi ?

Anyways that really pisses me off. I hope somebody does not get murdered over this escape.

Oh Jeeeeeeeeez!!   ::MonkeyConfused::

I'm with you Edward, wth were they thinking... a field trip for the criminally insane??   ::MonkeyMad::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 18, 2009, 06:55:05 PM
KaraK does not seem to want to commit herself in regards to whether Josh Baum was home with Mom when Lindsey began her journey home on the evening of June 26, 2009.

Janet

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Quote from: Northern Rose on July 08, 2009, 03:51:16 PM

Bike was left behind Shell, fight took place on Maple where neighbour sent Josh away.

Where did he go from there? 
Who picked up the bike as it was left at the Shell?
Did he go straight home and was anyone there?
Was he home at 9:15 - 9:30?


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1653 on: July 08, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
»

1) I can't answer the first one because I was told he went home but was not there myself.
2) The bike stayed at the Shell station. It was not picked up until 2 to 3 days after.
3) Josh's mom was home but again for the same reason as 1 I can not factually say he went straight home.
4) ?

Since we cannot directly ask Mom B, and we only have KKs word for it, it's just hard to understand why we're not getting a simple yes or no for what seems to be a simple question.  And I have to wonder why??  I understand KKs answer to that, she wasn't there, she only knows what she was told.  Yet it seems that she is being VERY careful in her answer, doesn't it?  And I have to wonder why on that as well. 


Wyks - first I am so glad to see you back!  YES!!!! This was the day I was doing a timeline with everything we knew and asking KK questions as there were the two places where it just was too tight to make everything fit.  Can you pull the timeline I did?  I do not believe I ever received a response back from KK on my last set of questions when I pointed out the short window of time to get a lot of things to fit.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 06:56:06 PM
Mike was the original owner of Mike's Market and was a really nice man.

The last owners (name unknown)  that bought the store were not very nice people at all

Thanks Kona!  So the 'not very nice people' own this store, not Mike.  Did/do they open the store at night?   Do you know if they have cameras there?  If so, sure am hoping they were questioned!   




Mike's market is now closed and and rather abruptly too.

They were open until 11pm usually.

Nobody I have talked to knew it was closing.

Doors open 1 day and closed the next

Mikes did have camera's

Uh oh........  Something weird with that!  Sure hope LE is on it! 

Thanks Kona!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 07:04:38 PM

Wyks - first I am so glad to see you back!  YES!!!! This was the day I was doing a timeline with everything we knew and asking KK questions as there were the two places where it just was too tight to make everything fit.  Can you pull the timeline I did?  I do not believe I ever received a response back from KK on my last set of questions when I pointed out the short window of time to get a lot of things to fit.

Thanks Northern Rose!   ::MonkeyKiss::  It's so good to be back online. 

Yes, I did see your timeline, and do agree that it doesn't seem there was time enough to squish all that she did in the alloted time.  Even if Lindsey wasn't one to primp, still takes time to shower and toss on another outfit.  IMO.  Wonder why KK didn't respond back?  Was that about when she seems to have quit posting in here altogether? 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 18, 2009, 07:15:14 PM
How about this?
1.  Mellisa and Scott williams passed the polygraph.
2.  Two witnesses came forward and said they seen Lindsey on Maple near 5th.
2.  Last seen about 9:30
3.  Harry Oakes dogs tracked scent out ATV road and 1/2 mile from Beck St. there was a dead human alert.
Now this is what I speculate:
This is small town USA like back in the 50's.  No crime. No cams.  No fear.  Everyone knows everyone else.  Few computers.  News from local papers and a lot don't even have cable.  Heck, if I lived there, I may not even lock my door.  What for??  My kids curfew would be "home by dark".  No big deal.  I have to rule out Melissa and Kara's household(passed polygraph).  Witnesses gave out more information on who else they saw.  Wouldn't want anyone in town know I fingered them, especially if one my be perp.  I believe Lindsey accepted a ride from someone she trusted(someone she had seen before).  If Lindsey's scent goes out the ATV road, only a local would have knowledge of that road.  Without physical evidence or a confession, the case would come to a standstill.  Any thought? 

Well.. good rundown IMO, Shortcake!  I think there were a few cams in town, altho perhaps not placed in such a way as to capture anyone walking down the street.  We've only heard about Mom Baum and Scott Williams taking the poly, so we can't really rule out their whole households.  IMO.  Other than that am thinking everything else seems to fit.  Seems like this could have been Small Town USA, anywhere.  You have a good point too in that only a local would have known about that road.  Yeppers. 

I gotta think that without evidence or a confession, LE would have to think 'outside of the box', for what may have happened.  And they may have, or be doing that.  We just don't know much about it, if so.  IMO.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 08:09:37 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Lindsey used to come into my old work when she was 8 or 9. She was usually with friends though and during daylight hours.
Hi Jade.  I see you used to work at Gordons.  Can you tell me if they have video cameras and if so are any in the beer aisle?  I assume you lived in Elma and worked in McCleary.  Or at least lived in Elma at one time.  Thanks for the answere in advance.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 08:56:49 PM
How about this?
1.  Mellisa and Scott williams passed the polygraph.
2.  Two witnesses came forward and said they seen Lindsey on Maple near 5th.
2.  Last seen about 9:30
3.  Harry Oakes dogs tracked scent out ATV road and 1/2 mile from Beck St. there was a dead human alert.
Now this is what I speculate:
This is small town USA like back in the 50's.  No crime. No cams.  No fear.  Everyone knows everyone else.  Few computers.  News from local papers and a lot don't even have cable.  Heck, if I lived there, I may not even lock my door.  What for??  My kids curfew would be "home by dark".  No big deal.  I have to rule out Melissa and Kara's household(passed polygraph).  Witnesses gave out more information on who else they saw.  Wouldn't want anyone in town know I fingered them, especially if one my be perp.  I believe Lindsey accepted a ride from someone she trusted(someone she had seen before).  If Lindsey's scent goes out the ATV road, only a local would have knowledge of that road.  Without physical evidence or a confession, the case would come to a standstill.  Any thought? 

Well.. good rundown IMO, Shortcake!  I think there were a few cams in town, altho perhaps not placed in such a way as to capture anyone walking down the street.  We've only heard about Mom Baum and Scott Williams taking the poly, so we can't really rule out their whole households.  IMO.  Other than that am thinking everything else seems to fit.  Seems like this could have been Small Town USA, anywhere.  You have a good point too in that only a local would have known about that road.  Yeppers. 

I gotta think that without evidence or a confession, LE would have to think 'outside of the box', for what may have happened.  And they may have, or be doing that.  We just don't know much about it, if so.  IMO.

Thanks for the critique.  I guess I ruled out both households because of earlier posts(around 7/2) it is reported undersheriff Rick Scott announced Melissa Baum and Scott Williams volunteered and passed polygraph.  I don't see how either parent would not be aware of any involvement of anyone in the household.  I maybe assumed wrong.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 09:10:23 PM
How about this?
1.  Mellisa and Scott williams passed the polygraph.
2.  Two witnesses came forward and said they seen Lindsey on Maple near 5th.
2.  Last seen about 9:30
3.  Harry Oakes dogs tracked scent out ATV road and 1/2 mile from Beck St. there was a dead human alert.
Now this is what I speculate:
This is small town USA like back in the 50's.  No crime. No cams.  No fear.  Everyone knows everyone else.  Few computers.  News from local papers and a lot don't even have cable.  Heck, if I lived there, I may not even lock my door.  What for??  My kids curfew would be "home by dark".  No big deal.  I have to rule out Melissa and Kara's household(passed polygraph).  Witnesses gave out more information on who else they saw.  Wouldn't want anyone in town know I fingered them, especially if one my be perp.  I believe Lindsey accepted a ride from someone she trusted(someone she had seen before).  If Lindsey's scent goes out the ATV road, only a local would have knowledge of that road.  Without physical evidence or a confession, the case would come to a standstill.  Any thought? 

Well.. good rundown IMO, Shortcake!  I think there were a few cams in town, altho perhaps not placed in such a way as to capture anyone walking down the street.  We've only heard about Mom Baum and Scott Williams taking the poly, so we can't really rule out their whole households.  IMO.  Other than that am thinking everything else seems to fit.  Seems like this could have been Small Town USA, anywhere.  You have a good point too in that only a local would have known about that road.  Yeppers. 

I gotta think that without evidence or a confession, LE would have to think 'outside of the box', for what may have happened.  And they may have, or be doing that.  We just don't know much about it, if so.  IMO.

Thanks for the critique.  I guess I ruled out both households because of early reports(7/2) Undersheriff Rick Scott announced that both Melissa Baum and Scott Williams volunteered and passed polygraph.  I don't see how either parent could pass and have any knowledge of someone involved in the disappearence.  But than again I assume.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 09:15:12 PM
Sorry for the double posts.  I am having problems with my computer.   ::MonkeyMad:: shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 18, 2009, 09:22:02 PM
With Dad Baum not involved much at all with his kids, I wonder if LB was looking for a father figure. She seemed to have a lot of freedom around McCleary. I wonder if she buddied up with someone that Mom Baum may not have even been aware of. Does anyone local know of anyone in that town who spends too much time around kids?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 18, 2009, 11:36:50 PM
Can anyone help me?  I connot find what time the LE responded to the 911.  I remember reading somewhere he was dispatched by Olympia and he had just gotten off duty.  Was that a McCleary LE?  If so, what time did he get off duty?  Why wasn't someone on duty that Friday night?  Busiest night of the week and good chance to bust a drunk?  Maybe a fight at local bar.  Anybody read who this person is who responded to Melissa's call.  Seems like one area that has not been talked about much.  Just want to through this out.  I do not see how a 12 year old could overpower a 10 year old and drag her body down the middle of the road out into the woods in broad daylight and not be seen by anybody??? JMO>  I am getting tired and will sleep on it.   shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 19, 2009, 03:50:19 AM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Lindsey used to come into my old work when she was 8 or 9. She was usually with friends though and during daylight hours.
Hi Jade.  I see you used to work at Gordons.  Can you tell me if they have video cameras and if so are any in the beer aisle?  I assume you lived in Elma and worked in McCleary.  Or at least lived in Elma at one time.  Thanks for the answere in advance.  shortcake

Hi shortcake ;) you must know who I am. Gordon's has cameras. I can't remember if there was one back by the cooler, it seems like there was one back there, that gives a view of the wine section and the floor in front of the beer cooler. To be honest, I never payed much attention to them.

Depending on what type of beer it is, there is a chance the beer could have been purchased from Mikes or Shell station as well.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 19, 2009, 10:32:31 AM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Lindsey used to come into my old work when she was 8 or 9. She was usually with friends though and during daylight hours.
Hi Jade.  I see you used to work at Gordons.  Can you tell me if they have video cameras and if so are any in the beer aisle?  I assume you lived in Elma and worked in McCleary.  Or at least lived in Elma at one time.  Thanks for the answere in advance.  shortcake

Hi shortcake ;) you must know who I am. Gordon's has cameras. I can't remember if there was one back by the cooler, it seems like there was one back there, that gives a view of the wine section and the floor in front of the beer cooler. To be honest, I never payed much attention to them.

Depending on what type of beer it is, there is a chance the beer could have been purchased from Mikes or Shell station as well.


No sister, I do not know you.  Just from your posts and the wealth of knowledge you bring here.  Many thanks.  Me thinks you have strong roots to the area and probably a local graduate.  But I digress.  I was wondering because "if" the two bottles found by Harry are at all tied to the case, than a trip to Gordons or Mikes could narrow the field.  Bbeer drinkers are like smokers-always the same brand.  I strongly believe it is a local with a 4WD that maybe drank that beer and it wasn't his first time out that ATV road.  Does that make sense?  Please tell me I am wrong.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 11:19:57 AM
8:15 PM - THE VIDEO STORE

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM
»

Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1001 on: July 04, 2009, 09:51:50 PM »


From what I can tell your time line is pretty right on though there are slight time inconsistencies between my recollection and others so there may be a few minutes difference in everything except for the video store. I believe the girls may have played or talked out in front of Lindsey's for a while before she went in to bathe and change which would take up some of the time

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864364;topicseen#msg864364


The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS RESIDENCE

The Daily World – July 3, 2009


Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


KOMO News – June 28, 2009

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html


TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
0:00 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
0:00 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHTING – 15TH STREET AND MAPLE














Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 19, 2009, 11:21:49 AM
SELF EDIT

15TH AND MAPLE s/b 5TH AND MAPLE


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 19, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
shortcake-i think you make an excellent point about the beer cans or bottles, they can trace exactly what store the beer was bought at and the store might be able to narrow it down further.  i'm hoping they have surveillance cameras in there or a record of receipts. i hope they checked for fingerprints and dna on the bottle too that way they can see if it matches anyone already in the system.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 19, 2009, 01:46:38 PM
One of the MANY things that have always bugged me about this case is this: If Josh was sent home and MB was sent a text that Josh was sent home, why did she wait until 10:30 to call KK? KK was on this board long enough to say "MB started trying to call me at 10:00 when Lindsey was not home but my cell was turned off". She never did say that. Her only reply all along on this subject has been "MB may have tried to call me earlier". After all of this time, you think that she would have broached this subject with MB, especially in light of the fact that people here have continuously asked about it. So, I think it is safe to ASSUME that MB's first call to KK was around 10:30pm. So, if I have this right, Josh shows up home about 9:30 pm or so, after the "FAMILY FRIEND" sent a text to MB about the situation. Why is there an entire hour of non-action? Either the 10:00pm curfew is bogus and LB pretty much comes and goes as she wants, or there is something more. When KK told LB that she could not spend the night, why didn't KK call or text MB to tell her that LB was on her way home ALONE? So we have these two mothers who have not done what any one of us would do. Then you add MM to the mix. The three of them, MB, KK and MM appear to be very closely tied together. MM does not go out and search, refuses various items to be donated to the searches of LB and handles the donations. There was a post by MM over on another site. She stated that she and MB and KK were sitting in her store at that time and they did not want what was found on the searches made public. That is understandable. What sent my hinky meter skyrocketing was these same three players sitting around in MM's store together. I just don't get any of these people.

Very good points, Sebastian.  Especially the part I bolded above.  We've discussed this and discussed it, ad nausem.  Still don't know much more than we did in the beginning, cuz of the confusing answers by some, and downright public silence from LE and Mom Baum.  Mom B could jump at interviews and answer some of these confusing things for the media, yet doesn't.  She may have been told by LE to hush and keep things quiet.  But I wish she would at the least say that to the media so we'd understand her silence.  Sigh. 


Lindsey used to come into my old work when she was 8 or 9. She was usually with friends though and during daylight hours.
Hi Jade.  I see you used to work at Gordons.  Can you tell me if they have video cameras and if so are any in the beer aisle?  I assume you lived in Elma and worked in McCleary.  Or at least lived in Elma at one time.  Thanks for the answere in advance.  shortcake

Hi shortcake ;) you must know who I am. Gordon's has cameras. I can't remember if there was one back by the cooler, it seems like there was one back there, that gives a view of the wine section and the floor in front of the beer cooler. To be honest, I never payed much attention to them.

Depending on what type of beer it is, there is a chance the beer could have been purchased from Mikes or Shell station as well.


No sister, I do not know you.  Just from your posts and the wealth of knowledge you bring here.  Many thanks.  Me thinks you have strong roots to the area and probably a local graduate.  But I digress.  I was wondering because "if" the two bottles found by Harry are at all tied to the case, than a trip to Gordons or Mikes could narrow the field.  Bbeer drinkers are like smokers-always the same brand.  I strongly believe it is a local with a 4WD that maybe drank that beer and it wasn't his first time out that ATV road.  Does that make sense?  Please tell me I am wrong.  shortcake

Did they state what brand of beer it was? I may be able to help out on that. I have a better memory of who came in and bought what, than I do of where the cameras are located. And that depends on if the LE decides if the bottles are related to Lindsey's disappearance, littering of alcohol bottles is not an uncommon thing in this area. Though the ATV road maybe not traveled by the person who was up it, but reading that it was a 6 mile stretch, if Lindsey is up that road somewhere, it is someone who knew that road. There is no telling with receipts either because they could have paid with cash, and also (If they didn't get new machines) there is no credit/debit card information posted on the receipts.

ALSO O/T BUT TO THOSE WHO DO LIVE HERE LOCALLY IN WA, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN CANADA/BC AREA!!!! http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_mental_institution_escape


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 20, 2009, 12:54:39 AM


O/T BUT TO THOSE WHO DO LIVE HERE LOCALLY IN WA, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN CANADA/BC AREA!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_mental_institution_escape


Re: O/T

grrrrrrrrrr.. had I been on that treatment team, this man would NEVER have been cleared for another day trip again! 

<snipped from the above link>

Patients must be cleared by a treatment team before they can go on trips to stores, parks, and other sites,

<also snipped>

Paul had escaped before.
In 1991, he walked away during a day trip to a Washington lake and was later captured.


WTF were these people thinking?? 

 ::MonkeyMad::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 20, 2009, 12:56:51 AM
Sorry everyone for not posting lately, haven't fallen off the edge of the earth, am checking in as much as possible.  Been busy in Haleigh's thread, big weekend action in that town. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 20, 2009, 01:05:55 AM
Reported at WS:

A search has been scheduled for the first weekend in October. We will be basing our search center out of the mobile home behind Evergreen Christian Community Center (Sign on side of church says Assembly of God) this is located at the corner of 4th and Pine!

More info here:
http://www.findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/ (http://www.findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 20, 2009, 03:22:23 AM


That's not the first time that Mikes Abruptly closed though. Do you remember back when they had closed down before they got the recent owner? And they remodeled a bit. But the people who worked for them didn't know what was going on, they showed up for shift and the doors were locked.


 Yes I remember that very well



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 20, 2009, 09:40:59 AM
Reported at WS:

A search has been scheduled for the first weekend in October. We will be basing our search center out of the mobile home behind Evergreen Christian Community Center (Sign on side of church says Assembly of God) this is located at the corner of 4th and Pine!

More info here:
http://www.findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/ (http://www.findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/)

Thanks  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 20, 2009, 10:29:30 AM
They have a searxh calendar up(tentative)at the link below.
Looks like 2 search weekends in October,one weekend in November and one weekend in December.I must not understand searches for missing people because I don't understand why they have weeks between each search.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/09/scheduled-search.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 20, 2009, 10:31:06 AM
A thank you to Lindsey's supporters.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/09/thank-you-to-lindseys-supporters.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 20, 2009, 12:27:05 PM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)
LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009

::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 20, 2009, 04:02:39 PM


O/T BUT TO THOSE WHO DO LIVE HERE LOCALLY IN WA, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN CANADA/BC AREA!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_mental_institution_escape


Re: O/T

grrrrrrrrrr.. had I been on that treatment team, this man would NEVER have been cleared for another day trip again! 

<snipped from the above link>

Patients must be cleared by a treatment team before they can go on trips to stores, parks, and other sites,

<also snipped>

Paul had escaped before.
In 1991, he walked away during a day trip to a Washington lake and was later captured.


WTF were these people thinking?? 

 ::MonkeyMad::




This guy will be caught again. There was that man from Shelton who was sent to Prison in Arizona for the murder of a man, and he ESCAPED FROM THE PRISON ITSELF and was caught up in the Spokane area a couple days later. I'm glad he didn't make it back to Shelton, because he had made threats at the law enforcement here, and :( I dread what would have happened.

BACK TO LINDSEY. This ATV road to the NE of the town...... I'm going to look into some maps of the area and see what I can find.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 20, 2009, 07:54:43 PM


O/T BUT TO THOSE WHO DO LIVE HERE LOCALLY IN WA, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN CANADA/BC AREA!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_mental_institution_escape


Re: O/T

grrrrrrrrrr.. had I been on that treatment team, this man would NEVER have been cleared for another day trip again! 

<snipped from the above link>

Patients must be cleared by a treatment team before they can go on trips to stores, parks, and other sites,

<also snipped>

Paul had escaped before.
In 1991, he walked away during a day trip to a Washington lake and was later captured.


WTF were these people thinking?? 

 ::MonkeyMad::




This guy will be caught again. There was that man from Shelton who was sent to Prison in Arizona for the murder of a man, and he ESCAPED FROM THE PRISON ITSELF and was caught up in the Spokane area a couple days later. I'm glad he didn't make it back to Shelton, because he had made threats at the law enforcement here, and :( I dread what would have happened.

BACK TO LINDSEY. This ATV road to the NE of the town...... I'm going to look into some maps of the area and see what I can find.
Jade, I called Metsker in Seattle and they informed me that don't issue detailed maps of Grays Harbor any more.  Sad.  I don't know how people hunt or fish without one?  Best I could do was google the area and it looks like McCleary is in the middle of a forest.  Impossibe to search all of it.  JMO.  Shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 21, 2009, 07:55:58 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 21, 2009, 08:45:16 PM
::MonkeyAngel::


Look at the sweetness in that face.  Thanks Karma.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 21, 2009, 08:59:26 PM


O/T BUT TO THOSE WHO DO LIVE HERE LOCALLY IN WA, OREGON, IDAHO, WESTERN CANADA/BC AREA!!!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090919/ap_on_re_us/us_mental_institution_escape


Re: O/T

grrrrrrrrrr.. had I been on that treatment team, this man would NEVER have been cleared for another day trip again! 

<snipped from the above link>

Patients must be cleared by a treatment team before they can go on trips to stores, parks, and other sites,

<also snipped>

Paul had escaped before.
In 1991, he walked away during a day trip to a Washington lake and was later captured.


WTF were these people thinking?? 

 ::MonkeyMad::




This guy will be caught again. There was that man from Shelton who was sent to Prison in Arizona for the murder of a man, and he ESCAPED FROM THE PRISON ITSELF and was caught up in the Spokane area a couple days later. I'm glad he didn't make it back to Shelton, because he had made threats at the law enforcement here, and :( I dread what would have happened.

BACK TO LINDSEY. This ATV road to the NE of the town...... I'm going to look into some maps of the area and see what I can find.
Jade, I called Metsker in Seattle and they informed me that don't issue detailed maps of Grays Harbor any more.  Sad.  I don't know how people hunt or fish without one?  Best I could do was google the area and it looks like McCleary is in the middle of a forest.  Impossibe to search all of it.  JMO.  Shortcake

I'm trying to remember where there are roads off to the NE. There is a logging type area across from some railroad tracks just of the road between Kamilche and McCleary, just across from the Simpson Tree farm, also a bunch of off roads between those.

I keep forgetting that the dog handler said the winds were blowing the smells from the south. So I'm guessing they traveled NE for 6 miles and scents were detected anywhere in that 6 mile radius. So much land to cover. Now to find out how far away Summit Lake is.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 21, 2009, 09:23:40 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wl&q=summit%20lake%20near%20mccleary%20washington

I'm not at my usual desktop so bear with me.  This says 9.5 miles.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 22, 2009, 02:12:52 AM
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wl&q=summit%20lake%20near%20mccleary%20washington

I'm not at my usual desktop so bear with me.  This says 9.5 miles.

Thank you so much Lovinlife. Just knowing how LE works, that place has probably already been checked out, since they also checked the ORV park which is heading in the same direction. I really appreciate you getting that for me :), I had been busy finding more information regarding Beck street.

I'm just waiting for the day that I log on here to find that Lindsey has been found! My heart races every time I log on, because I'm hoping so much for that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: EverySunset on September 22, 2009, 04:27:42 PM
::MonkeyAngel::

I love this picture so much. I cannot stand to think of what has happened to Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 22, 2009, 05:39:28 PM
http://maps.google.com/maps?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hl=en&tab=wl&q=summit%20lake%20near%20mccleary%20washington

I'm not at my usual desktop so bear with me.  This says 9.5 miles.

Thank you so much Lovinlife. Just knowing how LE works, that place has probably already been checked out, since they also checked the ORV park which is heading in the same direction. I really appreciate you getting that for me :), I had been busy finding more information regarding Beck street.

I'm just waiting for the day that I log on here to find that Lindsey has been found! My heart races every time I log on, because I'm hoping so much for that.
I don't know if this will help you but at the link below you can do a parcel search of Grays Harbor.I'm not too good with maps and such.

http://www.ghc-gis.org/parcelsearch/presentation/chameleon/search.asp



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 22, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Another parcel map search link.

http://www.ruraltech.org/projects/wrl/sflowria/gray_paci/



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 22, 2009, 05:49:55 PM
Another mapping link.

http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/Washington-GIS-and-Mapping.htm



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 22, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
A thank you and a search video.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/08/great-big-thank-you-to-laura-recovery.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Lovinlife on September 22, 2009, 07:15:01 PM
Bringing this here from the Beck St thread....
Quote from: Lovinlife
Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 22, 2009, 07:34:42 PM
Bringing this here from the Beck St thread....
Quote from: Lovinlife
Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)
Hmmmm,I have no clue but could it be a square manmade pond?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 22, 2009, 07:51:36 PM
Bringing this here from the Beck St thread....
Quote from: Lovinlife
Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)
lovinlife:  WOW! what an eye.  Me thinks I will take a trip up there and walk the road myself.  Appears to be less than a mile off of N. Summit Rd.  Maybe Jade has some knowledge of what this might be.  I was thinking of going to the Oysterfest this weekend and it would be on my way.  Depending on the weather I will combine both.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 23, 2009, 01:01:18 AM
Bringing this here from the Beck St thread....
Quote from: Lovinlife
Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)
lovinlife:  WOW! what an eye.  Me thinks I will take a trip up there and walk the road myself.  Appears to be less than a mile off of N. Summit Rd.  Maybe Jade has some knowledge of what this might be.  I was thinking of going to the Oysterfest this weekend and it would be on my way.  Depending on the weather I will combine both.  shortcake

I think that is the headquarter for the tree farm. What is that road connecting Beck street and the old freeway? Is that Tornquist road?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 23, 2009, 09:58:29 AM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)
LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009

BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 23, 2009, 10:00:36 AM
Thanks Janet  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: chi-monkey on September 23, 2009, 02:16:23 PM
Everyone may already use this source of mapping, but if not, just look at the detail offered here, topo maps, trails, etc.    There is a 14 day free trial.  (Please know I'm not selling anything here.)  I'm just thinking if you are going out searching a certain area, these might be of help. 

http://www.trails.com/topo.aspx?action=Download&s=50&size=s&lat=47.05621&lon=-123.26015&name=&trailid=&areaid=&Style=drgsr

Chi-M


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 02:29:23 PM
They have a searxh calendar up(tentative)at the link below.
Looks like 2 search weekends in October,one weekend in November and one weekend in December.I must not understand searches for missing people because I don't understand why they have weeks between each search.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/09/scheduled-search.html


KarmaR, I agree.  Are they not looking for her to be alive?  If so, why not search every single morning, afternoon, and evening?  Maybe someone is and we just don't know it.  My, I hope so.
Sad too that this forum has gone so very quiet, I'm afraid all of the misunderstandings have finally taken their toil.
 ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 02:58:12 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:03:10 PM
I believe you too Janet, I'm just confused  ::MonkeyHaHa::

I am too no rose colored glasses.

However ... as confusing as it is ... what I shared with the forum was the response I go and ... I was appreciative any response because it was unexpected.

Janet

Again ... I did not ask him any questions ... I made a suggestion.

Janet

OK,  now I am confused Janet.  What was the suggestion??

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma

My email to Harry Oakes was a suggestion.

I suggested that considering the findings of the LE/FBI canine search were negative ... maybe the report on his canine search on Sixth Street would have the ability to spark renewed interest in the case if it went public.

I had no idea that he would share anything with me.  My thought process was that he would contact the media.

However ... Harry Oakes did share me.  Nothing about 6th Street.  Everything about Beck Street.  A search I was previously unaware of.

That's it.  That's all.

Janet


It sure is a puzzlement to me that the report of Harry Oakes has not been followed up, or not follow-up to our knowledge.  Why would that be, after all, isn't it a valid lead?
All that forest surrounding this town.  I know it's a lot to search, but surely someone knows those atv roads like Mr. Oakes was talking about.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 23, 2009, 06:05:09 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:13:33 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:22:21 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.

Wow, I never heard about the stitches or the Harry Oakes news !!

When did all of this happen ??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:23:12 PM
one more thing has been bothering me, IIRC KK had said that the private dog handler, Mr. Oakes, was cutting his fee and yet he has indicated he did it gratis.  Wonder why that is different?  Guess I'm just mulling this over because what Mr. Oakes said about the death scent has really disturbed me.  Dogs don't lie even if people do.  I know he said it may not be Lindsey's, but still, it has really gotten me upset.  You would think with a death scent people would be going full speed to find where it came from?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
They have a searxh calendar up(tentative)at the link below.
Looks like 2 search weekends in October,one weekend in November and one weekend in December.I must not understand searches for missing people because I don't understand why they have weeks between each search.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/09/scheduled-search.html


KarmaR, I agree.  Are they not looking for her to be alive?  If so, why not search every single morning, afternoon, and evening?  Maybe someone is and we just don't know it.  My, I hope so.
Sad too that this forum has gone so very quiet, I'm afraid all of the misunderstandings have finally taken their toil.
 ::MonkeyJustice::
I think the quietness is every where about this case,it's the same on all the forums I read.Nothing really seems to be happening so there's not much to discuss.
I think they are looking for a dead Lindsey and/or some evidence of what happened to her when they do the searches.
In my eyes they should be searching every weekend and holding vigils every weekend but maybe people would get burned out to quick?
I don't know and it all makes me so sad for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:25:28 PM
Bringing this here from the Beck St thread....
Quote from: Lovinlife
Anyone know what this is in this photograph from Googlemaps?

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss241/Lovin-life2008/McClearyWANEofBeckStreet-1.jpg)
lovinlife:  WOW! what an eye.  Me thinks I will take a trip up there and walk the road myself.  Appears to be less than a mile off of N. Summit Rd.  Maybe Jade has some knowledge of what this might be.  I was thinking of going to the Oysterfest this weekend and it would be on my way.  Depending on the weather I will combine both.  shortcake

I think that is the headquarter for the tree farm. What is that road connecting Beck street and the old freeway? Is that Tornquist road?


That is a water reservoir for the city


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:25:36 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.

Wow, I never heard about the stitches or the Harry Oakes news !!

When did all of this happen ??

Hey Kona, love your little monkey.  The report from Mr. Oakes was posted on here a couple weeks ago.  Don't you think it odd we haven't heard a thing about the death scent?
The stitches happened right after Lindsey was found missing, IIRC.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:27:58 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.

Wow, I never heard about the stitches or the Harry Oakes news !!

When did all of this happen ??

Hey Kona, love your little monkey.  The report from Mr. Oakes was posted on here a couple weeks ago.  Don't you think it odd we haven't heard a thing about the death scent?
The stitches happened right after Lindsey was found missing, IIRC.

Yes, I find that very interesting !! wth is up with that anyway ??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:28:54 PM
They have a searxh calendar up(tentative)at the link below.
Looks like 2 search weekends in October,one weekend in November and one weekend in December.I must not understand searches for missing people because I don't understand why they have weeks between each search.

http://findlindseybaum.blogspot.com/2009/09/scheduled-search.html


KarmaR, I agree.  Are they not looking for her to be alive?  If so, why not search every single morning, afternoon, and evening?  Maybe someone is and we just don't know it.  My, I hope so.
Sad too that this forum has gone so very quiet, I'm afraid all of the misunderstandings have finally taken their toil.
 ::MonkeyJustice::
I think the quietness is every where about this case,it's the same on all the forums I read.Nothing really seems to be happening so there's not much to discuss.
I think they are looking for a dead Lindsey and/or some evidence of what happened to her when they do the searches.
In my eyes they should be searching every weekend and holding vigils every weekend but maybe people would get burned out to quick?
I don't know and it all makes me so sad for Lindsey.

KarmaR, yes, I am very said for Lindsey. hells bells, I would be searching every day and bugging LE every day.  I know that's easy for me to say from here, but I really think I would.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:31:25 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.

Wow, I never heard about the stitches or the Harry Oakes news !!

When did all of this happen ??

Hey Kona, love your little monkey.  The report from Mr. Oakes was posted on here a couple weeks ago.  Don't you think it odd we haven't heard a thing about the death scent?
The stitches happened right after Lindsey was found missing, IIRC.

Yes, I find that very interesting !! wth is up with that anyway ??

kona, I wish I knew -- I know people care and care a lot.  But man . . . where's the beating on the drums or something!!!
 :smt102


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:33:47 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.
KaraK's son did get some funky looking stitches in his arm.It happened a couple of weeks after Lindsey went missing,KaraK sent her kids to a relatives to get them away from all the talk and whatever about this case and her son slept walked out of an upper bunk bed/loft and fell on a lamp(or picture) that broke and cut his arm.It was a jagged cut and looked like whoever stitched it was not very experienced in stitching.KaraK said it looked so bad because the cut was jagged.
I didn't save the picture but I think it was posted here about the 1st week or so in July.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:35:31 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:37:21 PM
Deenie, when KK's son hurt his arm, the stitch job looked pretty bad and I remember you suggesting to KK that she take him to a plastic surgeron.  Did you save a picture of his arm?  It was posted on his myspace for a while, but now the myspace is closed.  I hope you did photo captured it.
Thanks.

Hi Sister,

How old is KK's son, and when did he hurt his arm....I missed that.

Hi Az, I'm not quite sure how old, my memory is not what it used to be.  He hurt his arm I think falling from a loft or something.  Anyway, it was a gastly mess, and the stitch job was really awful and Deenie was suggesting to KK she take the boy to a plastic surgeon.  I think this happend around the time Lindsey went missing IIRC.

Wow, I never heard about the stitches or the Harry Oakes news !!

When did all of this happen ??

Hey Kona, love your little monkey.  The report from Mr. Oakes was posted on here a couple weeks ago.  Don't you think it odd we haven't heard a thing about the death scent?
The stitches happened right after Lindsey was found missing, IIRC.

Yes, I find that very interesting !! wth is up with that anyway ??

kona, I wish I knew -- I know people care and care a lot.  But man . . . where's the beating on the drums or something!!!
 :smt102

I wish I knew too, The Mccleary residents seem to me anyway not very interested in helping so

why are they not taking full advantage of the ones that are wanting to help with the searches ?

I did not see any flyers at the citywide sale when I went either.... wonder why they didnt do it...

there were sooooooooo many people there and a perfect time for it too

I did see that MB was having a sale too.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:38:25 PM
A sale, what kind of sale?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:38:34 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:40:34 PM
A sale, what kind of sale?
McCleary had a like city wide garage/yard sale.....think it was a weekend or two ago?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:41:57 PM
It was a yard sale and the city wide was Sept 19th alllll day longgggggg   lol


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:42:26 PM
Kona,here is the Harry Oakes dog search info.It's the Beck Street thread here.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6118.0



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:42:32 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:43:55 PM
It was a yard sale and the city wide was Sept 19th alllll day longgggggg   lol
Melissa Baum had a table set up there?Did she have Lindsey flyers on it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:48:40 PM
I don't know, I didnt stop because she had a young girl sitting out there by herself running the sale (made me uncomfortable)

but it looked like mostly kids clothes and toys and stuff


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:50:15 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 06:52:18 PM
I don't know, I didnt stop because she had a young girl sitting out there by herself running the sale (made me uncomfortable)

but it looked like mostly kids clothes and toys and stuff
Ahh,thanks Kona
I'm sure she had flyers set out as they were supposed to be handing the Lindsey flyers out.I feel so bad for Melissa.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 06:54:54 PM
I was all over that town and they were not handing out flyers

MB & KK were out garage saleing themselves



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:55:07 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 06:57:20 PM
I was all over that town and they were not handing out flyers

MB & KK were out garage saleing themselves


Kona, no offense, are you sure?  Why would the town be flooded with flyers?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Yes I am sure ,  I saw them and I think it was Jenn that stated  they were going to be handing out flyers and making sure every sale had them to hand out to the shoppers

We saw none and went to over 65 sales

I will find the link and post it


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:08:20 PM
I was all over that town and they were not handing out flyers

MB & KK were out garage saleing themselves


Kona, no offense, are you sure?  Why would the town be flooded with flyers?

selfedit - why wouldn't be the town be flooded with flyers?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 07:13:18 PM
Yes I am sure ,  I saw them and I think it was Jenn that stated  they were going to be handing out flyers and making sure every sale had them to hand out to the shoppers

We saw none and went to over 65 sales

I will find the link and post it

here is the link

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4166907#post4166907



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 07:32:08 PM
I was all over that town and they were not handing out flyers

MB & KK were out garage saleing themselves


::::::::sigh::::::::
I no longer know what to think.
But I will keep hoping and praying for sweet Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:33:00 PM
Yes I am sure ,  I saw them and I think it was Jenn that stated  they were going to be handing out flyers and making sure every sale had them to hand out to the shoppers

We saw none and went to over 65 sales

I will find the link and post it

here is the link

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4166907#post4166907


Kona, does this Jenn know that no flyers were being distributed?  Why is no one really taking charge on a daily or weekly basis.  Is Melissa working again?  This is so frustrating!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:33:57 PM
Yes I am sure ,  I saw them and I think it was Jenn that stated  they were going to be handing out flyers and making sure every sale had them to hand out to the shoppers

We saw none and went to over 65 sales

I will find the link and post it

here is the link

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4166907#post4166907


Kona, does this Jenn know that no flyers were being distributed?  Why is no one really taking charge on a daily or weekly basis.  Is Melissa working again?  This is so frustrating!

oops, sorry, thanks for the link.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 07:37:04 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:40:02 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:43:28 PM
I contend that someone local needs to try and figure out where the death scent was coming from and go look!!!
 :2brickwall:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 07:44:40 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117
I did read where the searches got off to a rocky start but never read they were that disorganized.I would hope it wasn't that bad because Mark(?)Klaas from Klaas Kids and the Laura Recovery group were both in McCleary helping them get searches organized.I don't think these 2 groups actually searched but they helped get them set up.This is so confusing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 07:45:51 PM
I contend that someone local needs to try and figure out where the death scent was coming from and go look!!!
 :2brickwall:
I agree.....I cannot believe no one(LE)has investigated that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 23, 2009, 07:47:30 PM
Still praying for you sweet Lindsey.
 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 07:48:32 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117
I did read where the searches got off to a rocky start but never read they were that disorganized.I would hope it wasn't that bad because Mark(?)Klaas from Klaas Kids and the Laura Recovery group were both in McCleary helping them get searches organized.I don't think these 2 groups actually searched but they helped get them set up.This is so confusing.

That's what the radio man said, very, very disorganized.  Just going by what he said and as he was there and did search.  Said, he finally went off on his own to search.  Apparently, the search had a profound effect on him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 08:04:15 PM
I do not know if Jenn knows about the no flyers or not

I do not know if MB is working

Have no clue what is going on in the LB camp about the searches or daily activities involving trying to locate LB

Sorry....


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 23, 2009, 08:04:19 PM
I'm uneasy about how chatter like this forum was, and then all the sudden it just fell silent. I guess I took the silent time to focus my attention to Harry Oakes dog search. I'm not so concerned as to who they have as possible suspects, but more as to what area's have been searched and researched so far. And also if Mason county has been involved at all, since the investigation according to the e-mail, would put the dog sniffing into Mason county. I'm also curious as to why Harry Oakes would e-mail that sort of information out?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 08:08:43 PM
I'm uneasy about how chatter like this forum was, and then all the sudden it just fell silent. I guess I took the silent time to focus my attention to Harry Oakes dog search. I'm not so concerned as to who they have as possible suspects, but more as to what area's have been searched and researched so far. And also if Mason county has been involved at all, since the investigation according to the e-mail, would put the dog sniffing into Mason county. I'm also curious as to why Harry Oakes would e-mail that sort of information out?

Jade, I questioned that too, but was told a question was asked (though we have no record of the question) and Mr. Oakes doesn't answer the question at all, but instead, gives out via an e-mail to someone he does not know, new information at least to this forum.  Additionally, I still cannot understand why the death scent lead has not been investigated.  You're right -- search the areas.  What is wrong????


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 08:12:11 PM
I'm uneasy about how chatter like this forum was, and then all the sudden it just fell silent. I guess I took the silent time to focus my attention to Harry Oakes dog search. I'm not so concerned as to who they have as possible suspects, but more as to what area's have been searched and researched so far. And also if Mason county has been involved at all, since the investigation according to the e-mail, would put the dog sniffing into Mason county. I'm also curious as to why Harry Oakes would e-mail that sort of information out?

Jade, isn't Mason county too far out?  Not real good with geography!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 08:13:55 PM
I'm uneasy about how chatter like this forum was, and then all the sudden it just fell silent. I guess I took the silent time to focus my attention to Harry Oakes dog search. I'm not so concerned as to who they have as possible suspects, but more as to what area's have been searched and researched so far. And also if Mason county has been involved at all, since the investigation according to the e-mail, would put the dog sniffing into Mason county. I'm also curious as to why Harry Oakes would e-mail that sort of information out?

Jade...

how did you get the dog sniff to mason county ?  TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 08:24:12 PM
TamikosMom aka Janet wrote:

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry


Copied didn't know how to bring it here   lol

Maybe this will help, maybe we can figure it out ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 08:33:15 PM
TamikosMom aka Janet wrote:

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

Copied didn't know how to bring it here   lol

Maybe this will help, maybe we can figure it out ?

I'm not good at copying either.
So it's Beck Street, then NE to a logging atv road, then east 6 miles.
1/2 mile east of Beck, the wind was blowing from the south a dead human scent detected.
When I was looking at the maps, I don't think that was in Mason county, but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 08:50:22 PM
TamikosMom aka Janet wrote:

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

Copied didn't know how to bring it here   lol

Maybe this will help, maybe we can figure it out ?

I'm not good at copying either.
So it's Beck Street, then NE to a logging atv road, then east 6 miles.
1/2 mile east of Beck, the wind was blowing from the south a dead human scent detected.
When I was looking at the maps, I don't think that was in Mason county, but I could be wrong.

Well, it reads to me that he followed scent for 6 miles but that the dogs actually picked up the death scent only 1/2 mile out

Am I reading that right ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 23, 2009, 10:06:57 PM
TamikosMom aka Janet wrote:

Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com)
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM


we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry

Copied didn't know how to bring it here   lol

Maybe this will help, maybe we can figure it out ?

I'm not good at copying either.
So it's Beck Street, then NE to a logging atv road, then east 6 miles.
1/2 mile east of Beck, the wind was blowing from the south a dead human scent detected.
When I was looking at the maps, I don't think that was in Mason county, but I could be wrong.

Well, it reads to me that he followed scent for 6 miles but that the dogs actually picked up the death scent only 1/2 mile out

Am I reading that right ?

Kona, yes, I think you are.  Wish I was closer.  I would trot myself out there and look and look and look.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 10:16:34 PM
Wish I was physically able ... I would go grrrr


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 23, 2009, 10:59:00 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 23, 2009, 11:28:25 PM
The mason county line isn't that far outside of McCleary. If the dogs sniffers took them 6 miles in the direction northeast, then easily it entered into the Mason county line. There is a road just past Stimson (forgive me, I have no idea what Stimson is) that has 3 other roads coming off of it. The road that is heading to the east on the map I looked at, appears to go for about 6 miles. When I have seen the roads, which you can access across the railroad tracks (I pray that the road in my mind is the same one on the map), they are dirt roads.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 11:38:11 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

I Pray an able bodied local contacts you to help find her !!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 23, 2009, 11:43:13 PM
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.
I agree! She is now causing havoc in the Amber Dubois case. I just hope she does not keep people from coming out and searching for Lindsey. She needs to be found! I hope a local can follow up on DD's request!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 23, 2009, 11:51:54 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

I pray that somebody listen to the above posting "quoted"


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 24, 2009, 12:00:31 AM
Who is Michelle Bart?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 24, 2009, 12:41:12 AM
hard to explain
let me just give you a link

http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/what-you-should-know-about-the-sunshine-law-the-evidence-in-caylees-case/

look for michelle bart info posted on there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 24, 2009, 01:52:58 AM
Who is Michelle Bart?


http://niecey456.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/the-anthonys-spokesperson-kid-finders-spokesperson-michelle-bart/ This link gives a lot of information regarding Michelle Bart. I wonder if MB hired her?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 24, 2009, 02:29:40 AM
I'm uneasy about how chatter like this forum was, and then all the sudden it just fell silent. I guess I took the silent time to focus my attention to Harry Oakes dog search. I'm not so concerned as to who they have as possible suspects, but more as to what area's have been searched and researched so far. And also if Mason county has been involved at all, since the investigation according to the e-mail, would put the dog sniffing into Mason county. I'm also curious as to why Harry Oakes would e-mail that sort of information out?

Hi Jademoff!  Not sure when exactly the silence that you are talking about began, without going back and looking.  I do know that when things heated up in the Haleigh thread, many of us have been in there nonstop.  Ongoing nonstop madness in that case right now.  Been checking in here at least once a day tho, to see if there has been any news. 

Sometimes it happens this way, when things are happening in one case, we are glued to it, then come back when things get rolling faster in another case.  Doesn't mean we have forgotten Lindsey tho.  IMO. 

I understand there is to be a search the first part of Oct, is that still on, do you know?  Am hoping for a good turnout! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 24, 2009, 02:33:02 AM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD, from what I understand there is a search planned for the first part of Oct.  Maybe they could take your info, split up into groups and do both?  Just a thought. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 24, 2009, 02:35:33 AM
that would be great wyks ... if only we could believe they would actually do that .... sigh

I have lost my faith in them ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 24, 2009, 05:30:02 AM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117
I did read where the searches got off to a rocky start but never read they were that disorganized.I would hope it wasn't that bad because Mark(?)Klaas from Klaas Kids and the Laura Recovery group were both in McCleary helping them get searches organized.I don't think these 2 groups actually searched but they helped get them set up.This is so confusing.

That's what the radio man said, very, very disorganized.  Just going by what he said and as he was there and did search.  Said, he finally went off on his own to search.  Apparently, the search had a profound effect on him.
Can you post anything else he has said?
 ::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 24, 2009, 05:41:52 AM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD, from what I understand there is a search planned for the first part of Oct.  Maybe they could take your info, split up into groups and do both?  Just a thought. 

DD has corresponded with JenniferO from WS before.JenniferO is directly involved with the searches for Lindsey.Why doesn't DD just give this info to JenniferO? Or is there a reason why this info cannot be shared with JenniferO?I understand that DD cannot share that info on here but DD does have contact with at least one local(who is directly involved in the searches although JenniferO does come off kinda bossy at times)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 24, 2009, 09:54:51 AM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

I Pray an able bodied local contacts you to help find her !!
Wow, me too  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 10:30:41 AM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117
I did read where the searches got off to a rocky start but never read they were that disorganized.I would hope it wasn't that bad because Mark(?)Klaas from Klaas Kids and the Laura Recovery group were both in McCleary helping them get searches organized.I don't think these 2 groups actually searched but they helped get them set up.This is so confusing.

That's what the radio man said, very, very disorganized.  Just going by what he said and as he was there and did search.  Said, he finally went off on his own to search.  Apparently, the search had a profound effect on him.
Can you post anything else he has said?
 ::MonkeyTears::

KarmaR, I listened to it, wrote down some notes, but they're just notes.  I don't know if they have transcripts, I would doubt it as it is radio and not tv.  Sorry.  I do know he was surprised that more wasn't being done and that what was done was disorganized and how frustrated he felt.  He did say he had a LE buddy in another jurisdiction he was going to talk to about it, he felt so strongly.  I really hesitate to write my notes about it, as so many times things here get cut apart and sometimes taken out of context.  I can find my notes, but again, it isn't that I don't want to share, but it would just be my perspective of what he said.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 10:51:20 AM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

I Pray an able bodied local contacts you to help find her !!
Wow, me too  ::MonkeyEek::

me three
 :smt100


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 24, 2009, 12:23:29 PM

This is one of the interviews

Monday, August 31, 2009
3:00 pm-4:00 pm

Don went down to McCreary, WA to help out in the search for Lindsey Baum. Rick Scott, the Grays Harbor County undersheriff talked to Ron and Don about the abduction. Don talks about what it was like to go down and search for Lindsey.


Don:
I’ll tell you what this taught me, And I’ve never gone on a search for a little girl before, missing person, but this taught me because you had neighbours here that could have gotten involved, much earlier, they could have contacted law enforcement, and it’s kind of a, would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, down in California right now but that brings us to the story, of a little girl who is 10 years old, down in McCleary County, and she is, she’s missing right now, in fact she went missing on June 26th and here to help us tell the story, Rick Scott is here with Grey’s Harbour County. He is the undersheriff there. Rick, thanks for stopping by The Ron & Don show this afternoon, I really appreciate it and how are you?

Rick: I’m doing well, thank you.

Don:
Could you tell everybody kind of the Lindsey Baum story and what we know at this point just to kind of reset, for those of our listeners right now, that may not be familiar with Lindsey’s story.

Rick:
Well on June 26th of this year, Lindsey disappeared walking home from a friends house in mcCleary, Wash. And she was last seen at about 9:30 pm, by locals that we identified who knew her from living in a small town. She was headed home to her residence roughly 3-4 blocks from that location on one of the secondary streets there in McCleary when she was last seen, ultimately did not return by 10:00 pm as she’d been told by her mother. Following that, her mom called around trying to find her, failing to do so, she went out looking for her herself, then at about 10:50pm that evening, reported her missing to the McCleary police department. They began then to aid in the search for her looking around town. By the following morning, she had not been found our department was contacted then and search and recue resources were activated on that Saturday, and that essentially kicked off what has been a massive search for Lindsey. At first focussing on searching in and around McCleary with the use of search & Rescue volunteers, at times totalled about 100 people were used to search in and around the community. We also within 24 hrs of her disappearance began to activate law enforcement resources in the belief that this was beginning to look more like a criminal investigation then a missing child so to speak, and that’s when I was brought in then.

Don:
Now Rick, have you found ok, have you found any evidence, a shoe or a piece of clothing or any sort of witnesses?

Rick:
 Nothing has been found that speaks definitively to any scenario or any specific set of circumstances that would account for her disappearance. We found no physical evidence. We’ve had literally 100’s and 100’s of tips and clues, thoughts and guesses called in since the onset of this investigation we’ve had FBI, our department, and neighbouring police jurisdictions all partnering to follow up on these leads.

Don: Is that unusual Rick, to not have any shred of evidence?

Rick:
 That’s very unusual, it’s very frustrating and as well, because normally we find some piece of information, that leads to a piece of evidence that will then speak to a specific series of events so that we will at least have some idea of what happened, but in this case, we have this young girl, who is seen walking home on a nice summer night who literally disappears into thin air.

Don:
 Rick Scott’s with us, Grey’s Harbour Co. undersheriff there. The website is findlindseybuam.com. Ah Rick, as far as, ah, I talked to Lindsey’s mom, I met Melissa, and I uh know that she had to go through a lie detector test, in fact she couldn’t wait to go though a lie detector test because I guess a lot of times you look at family members, you look at friends. Um how many people have gone though lie detector tests at this point and uh, uh has everyone passed with flying colors

Rick:
 Well at this point because this is an ongoing criminal investigation, I’m not at liberty to discuss just how many people we’ve polygraphed or what the results of that might be, um I can confirm with you because Melissa has shared with you that she took a polygraph, as did her friends’ father um as they were the last two adults who would have had contact with her, and they both voluntarily asked to undergo the polygraph, so that we could rule them out early on and focus recourses elsewhere. But beyond that, I can tell you that we have polygraphed other people, and I can’t really discuss who and how many, and certainly not the outcome of that. A lot of the things that we know at this point, were things that we have been able to use to rule events out, but because we are so lacking in physical evidence and so lacking in a specific scenario to focus on, I really can’t comment too much publicly about what we do and don’t know.

Don:
So you’re saying the last adults to see her, but the last. Is the last person to see her, her brother Josh, or was there someone else who saw her before she disappeared?

Rick:
You know the last person to see her obviously are those passing motorists, and the people in the community that were able to help us pinpoint the last point she was seen. Um the last person to have contact with her was her friends’ family, who’s residence she had left to walk home, so there were different people who played roles that could be looked at as being the last person, I mean the last person to go for a walk with her was Josh and her friend, as they were walking to her friends home from her house earlier that evening. And the last people to have conversation with her friend and her friends’ family

Don:
 And I guess the frustration Rick, I asked someone to just kind of walk me to the point to where they felt that Lindsey had disappeared, and the difficulty is, when you look at that little township there, there’s only about 1500 people that live there, and you’d really have to go out of your way to find it. I drove down there on Saturday, 90 miles from my house one way. And I really had to go out of my way to find it, and then once I did, and I saw the place where she had disappeared from, I mean, you look 300-500 yards in any direction, and you’re off in the woods, aren’t ya. There’s a lot of woods there for you guys to cover.

Rick:
There’s a tremendous amount of timber land that surrounds the McCleary area, I mean the biggest source of employment in that area has been the timber industry and there’s a huge Simpson door plant mill that’s part of the town, so there’s clearly a lot of a uninhabited forest land that surrounds the immediate McCleary area. It’s a very small, a very close knit community and again, that’s why, early on you look at the potential for this being a family or a friend or acquaintance related event verses a stranger abduction scenario, but without any evidence to suggest specifically a scenario that can be supported by evidence, we have to look at this comprehensively, and anything’s possible.

Ron:
Hey Rick, as a civilian ya know, and we have just 100’s of 1000’s of people listening to the Ron & Don show, should they just keep their lookout for ah, you know should you be suspicious every time you see a 10 or 11 year old girl. Should you look for bizarre behaviour, I mean what do we look for, even if we’re hiking though the woods down by Olympia.

Don:
 Hang on, hang on let me jump in here cause it was kind of interesting Rick, ah Poly Klass, there foundation or organization just sent somebody down to McCleary to help with kind of a grid search, and what this gentlemen told me, I want to see if it jives with you. He said what would really be helpful, is there is a lot of private property out there, that we need to cover, that we can’t necessarily cover. You can’t just walk up to somebody’s private property and start opening up doors and looking inside old boats and old trailers. He said what would really be helpful, is that people, especially with Labour Day approaching, you’re going to be out on bike, you’re going to be out on 4 wheelers, you’re going to be out fishing, all of us are going to be out playing all over the great Pacific northwest. He said it would be really helpful #1 if people had their head on a swivel, and you got off that 4 wheeler and you took a look, especially if you’re down south of us in Seattle, And then Rick, he said the other thing is if you have private property, when you go home tonight, you should walk your private property, if you have a shed that you haven’t been in, in an awful long time, if you have a boat that you know has a cover on it, and you haven’t been in that boat in an awful long time or you haven’t opened that garage door, by all means walk that property, because a lot of search and rescue teams, they’re not allowed on that private property. So does that jive with you, do you feel that would be helpful?

Rick:
Most certainly, and early on in the investigation, we were going door to door with both search & rescue volunteers and law enforcement personal, particularly in that corridor in and around where she was last seen. Knocking on doors and asking to search homes. Look under them, in them, attics you know unattached buildings, under storage areas and in storage areas. And the community, the outpouring of support that we received from the community was overwhelming in that regard and everyone was allowing us to look and was joining in that effort to look, and neighbours were looking in their own homes, and in their neighbours homes, and everyone was working cooperatively to do just that. But there is just such a huge amount of land that surrounds McCleary and most of which is privately owned, is we’ve been reaching out to those property owners to do just what you described, and we’ve asked that they continue to that, and as the land, publicly accessible lands that are privately owned become opened up to the public with hunting season and berry picking seasons and all of the different recreational activities that occur down here, we are asking those property owners you know do just that and we’ve had a large number of them voluntarily make areas available to the search & rescue people. The department of natural resources spent a tremendous amount of time putting their personnel on lands that they have access to as has the department of wildlife and other people that use that professionally and recreationally. So we’re trying to get everybody to do exactly what you described, and that’s, you know, walk your own property, walk those areas you’re familiar with, look for anything that’s suspicious, look for anything that might give us that little piece of information that we’ll need to bring Lindsey home.

Don:
 findlindseybaum.com, they have search crews going out every weekend, if you want to be a part of that like I was this weekend, go to that website and they’ll tell you how. Rick, anything else, if anybody has any kind of ideas, should they just call 911 or do you got a tip line we can give out?

Rick:
 We’ve got the Lindsey Baum tip line, there’s a dedicated e-mail address that you can use that will, it’s on our website if they go to greys county service departments website, if you go to any of the websites that are out there, there’s lindseybaum.com, there’s findlindseybaum.com. The local news media all has websites available, there’s just a number of ways that they can get the information to us, the toll free tip line is 866-915-8299, ah you can call the Greys Harbour county sheriffs department at area code 360-249-3711 ext 543 is a dedicated tip line that goes directly to the detectives and the FBI agents t we have assigned to this case full time. So there’s a number of ways that they can get the information to us but if all else fails yes you can call the 911 centre particularly if it’s urgent information so we can get officers there immediately.

Don:
We’ll do it Rick, great job thanks for being on top of this , when we come back, I’ll tell you about my experience.

Ron: Ya, I definitely want to hear about that.

Don: And looking for Lindsey Baum. Lets find Lindsey Baum, check out that website findlindseybaum.com and also if you want to see a picture of her, and the pictures of our search over the weekend mynorthwest.com, just click on the Ron & Don show page.

Don: 3:28, so for the weekend I went down to ah McCleary

Ron: Just outside of Olympia right?

Don:
Way outside, way outside, almost 100 mile one way. And I’ll tell you this, who ever took this little girl, knew this little girl. There 1522 people that live there, and I went to that exact spot where she was taken, and ah, there some information that was share with me that I can’t share with you. Or that at least I promises not to share, so I won’t. But there is no way uh, that someone was just you know, driving down I-5 and happened to end up in McCrealy, that did not happen, It can’t, there’s 1522 people that live there and here’s the difficulty for searchers down there, if you go 3,4,500 yards in any directions, you are in some very, dense woods, and then you are also in some private property, and then there’s a lot of people that have just dumped a lot of junk out there. There’s a lot of junk dumping going on. So I went off in some of the areas of some of the woods with my dog Nolan, she was all over the place on all different kinds of scents
Ron: Well she is a hound.

Don:
 Ya finding all kinds of stuff, and I just, I believe that who ever did this to this little girl, knew this little girl. I believe it. I believe they either live in that area or they were visiting someone that knew in that area, but there’s no way that this was a stranger, because no one in this town, I went around, I went door to door, I went to some other areas like Roy, and Shelton and I dropped off some of these flyers on windshields, I’m telling you, everybody in this town knows that she is missing and there’s signs all over that town. In fact I took a picture of some of those signs and I put them up on mynorthwest.com, as well as a picture of her. Someone in that town knows exactly what happened to her. And then my other concern was, I was asking who’s had a lye detector. And I called the FBI this morning. In fact I called, lets do this we got to get to the news.

Ron: I have some specific questions I want to ask you.

Don:
I called the FBI this morning, because I’m so concerned about people that have not taken a lie detector test, and I wanted some answers, and I’ll tell you what I found out, and I was shocked, after the news.

Don:
 Hi 3:35 news talk 97.3 kiro FM Lindsey Baum. From down in McCleary has been missing for almost 2 months now, and I think because a lot of us have ah, a renewed interest because of this case down in California, which brought us some renewed interest in this case and I just want to thank Rick Scott, the undersheriff there for Greys Harbour County for stopping by the Ron & Don show.

Ron:
 I’m curious, I wasn’t able to go, but in my mind and I imagined it to be the Hollywood version cause I’ve never been on one of these searches and so, how, what was your expectations going in and is there the guy in the blue FBI jacket with the yellow letters on the back, that has the bull horn, and was there some tension and you know what I mean, just the environment, was it on edge or what? What was it like in real life?

Don:
Well, you get to ah, when you drive into McCleary, Because there is 1522 people there and the downtown, if you blink, you kind of miss it, and you’ll see signs up all over the place about where’s our Lindsey, help us find Lindsey, If you go to the little coffee shops, everybody has a picture of Lindsey in the windows.
Ron: Ya I saw some of those on the blogs.

Don: So I put some of those on her blog, and so everybody in that little town knows that she is missing.

Ron: Because I would think when you get there, there has to be some sort of organization of places they’ve searched already, places you haven’t searched, maybe a direction or where you started at the epicentre or work you way out or how does it work?

Don:
Well, that’s the problem, like Rick told us, it’s been 2 months and they really don’t have a clue, and they don’t have a shoe, and when you don’t have a clue, and you don’t have a shoe it’s hard to continue to look, cause you don’t know where to look, and so as far as I could tell, it’s been kind of placed in the families hands at this point to search, so I went to the McCleary County community centre with my dog, and when we got there, the first person to come out and greet me was Lindsey’s brother, his name’s Josh. So Josh and I had a conversation, and he said are you here to help me find my sister? And I said Yah, I’m here to help find your sister. And he said, well, let me introduce you to my mom. So I met Melissa and ah, you know, I mean, what do you say to somebody when you meet them, and their daughter who was 10 who’ now 11, I mean it’s, you can’t say hey, how you doing? (I think he says)You don’t.
Ron: (Can’t make out what he says)

Don:
So she has pins all over, she has the help find Lindsey sweatshirt on, and you could tell that this process has really put her through the ringer.
Ron: But there’s no um law enforcement management on this site?

Don:
 You know what? When I went into McCleary, I am just telling you my experience, there was nobody there from law enforcement, there was some really great volunteers in there, and I guess what they begun to do is actually Polly Klass, if you remember that particular story, of the young girl that didn’t come home, her dad has started a foundation, and what he has done is he has trained people on how to do grid searches and how to find little girls and little boys. And so there was a gentleman that just got there a couple of days ago and he looks, I mean he has on a, I think I believe his mane is Mike, and Mike has on this shirt that says he’s the director of a search and he has patches all over his arms and he looks official but he’s from the Polly Klass organization that was flown in he he’s not from (inaudible)…

Ron:
 Did he, did he even have something as simple as a map like quadranted off, a you are here button or even like that?

Don:
I’m just telling you what I saw. I think what happened is, I think they had all of these search & rescue teams coming in and Rick was sharing that us, and I think they did there own grid searches, but now it’s kind of up to the family to search, and they didn’t know how to do that, and so by having the gentlemen, by having Mike in from Polly Klass from that particular organization. And he’s here for the next 6 or 7 days. What he’s doing, is he’s teaching them how to actually do a grid search because they haven’t been doing that. They’re just, you know, Bob’s walking down this trail and Joe’s walking down that trail, and who ever show up, they just putt together some teams
Ron: Pardon my ignorance, but is that, do you just form a grid and do people stand literally arm and arm and walk in a straight line or what. Is that what a grid search is?

Don:
Exactly, and here’s the problem they’re having is because they’re 90 miles almost a 100 miles from us to the south, and is not easy to find and I got lost 3 times going down there and that was with GPS. It is not, it is not an easy place to find, and so, and like on Friday for instance, we just shared the story about what was happening down there and that they were starting these search crews, and I was really glad to see people like Mike Davis, who came down who is part of the (I’m sorry, I can’t understand this part), and Mike said, he lives in Gig Harbour and so he came down, and you walk in and you sign up with a team and they give you an area to search, ah there were a couple of other ladies that were there a part of (can’t understand), you put on vests and then they kind of give you a 5 minute briefing about how to do a grid search and then you come back and they tell you not to touch anything, if you see anything that looks suspicious to kind of take a picture of it and to write things down and to take notes, and after you do that grid search, you come back and then you do another grid search, but this right now is kind of all on the family, it’s kind of on that town, on that little township there to get as many people out as they can to do the searches.

Ron:
 Knowing you as long as I have, one thing you do have a very good intuition about people and about situations most of the time, and so ah how did you have any of your Don and the Ron Dawn intuitions or insights or lightening bolt flashes and you said ah I see something interesting or anything like that happen at all while you were down there?
Don: Ya it did because I asked someone, who knew where she was taken, to walk me, and you can see, where she was taken, from the community centre and it’s a very small town and so I walked over a couple of blocks with my dog Nola, and they said, we think she was taken from here, kind of where this telephone pole is, and I’m telling you, who ever took her, who ever did harm to her, and I hope, I hope and pray that she is still alive. But who ever did what they did with her was somebody in that town. It was somebody who knew her, it was somebody that was vi, you you, as I said before you wouldn’t be driving down I-5 and end up in McCleary. I wouldn’t

Ron: Is it on the way to anywhere?
Don: No

Ron: It’s not like you’re going from here to there and you pass through McCleary?

Don:
 I wouldn’t have known that unless I drove out there. It is on the way to nowhere and you really got to go out of your way to get there, and then once you get there, everybody knows your name. So, I think what ever happened to her, I think somebody knew her and I just, it’s not like you know, Elizabeth Smart for instants in Salt Lake City, where somebody came into her bedroom for instance, and we know the connections there, we talked to Ed Smart
about that last week. This is not a major metropolitan area, It’s not even close, it is on the way to nowhere.

Ron: So the chances of her of getting thrown into a car and driven to who knows where.

Don:
Well that could have happened Ron, but I have a really hard time believing, that it was just some stranger, and even when we talked to Rick, you could kind of hear the undercurrents of, and so what I did, I was so concerned about this and so distraught when I came home, we only had about 40 searcher show up.
Ron: But did you feel like you got anything done that you contributed at all?

Don:
No, and I walked some trails with my dog and I went and I handed out some pamphlets, and I came home feeling very distraught about this, and so what I did, was I picked up the phone and I called a detective of the Seattle police department I know very well, detective Mike Migahn(sp?), and I told him some things that I’m not going to share with you, and I said hey I got some theories, and I know some people that haven’t had lie detector tests, and I shared it with him, and he said you know what, you gotta call the FBI. I am going to get you in tough with the guy who ah who is in charge of this with the federal level. So I talked with that gentleman this morning. He did a great job and followed up on me, that’s with me, that’s the reason we got Rick Scott on the air. And I guess the FBI is actually kind of working in conjunction with Rick, and so…

Ron: Are they aware of the things you were thinking?

Don: Well I don’t know…

Ron: I know you can’t say exactly what you’re thinking,

Don: I can’t even come close to what I’m thinking, but I’m definitely thinking it.

Ron: But are they aware?

Don: What?

Ron: I mean you communicated what you think to the Federal FBI.

Don:
 I communicated and I’m not going to say who I communicated it to, but I communicated what I thought. After going down there and I talked to a lot of people there about this particular situation, some of the stuff is not in the papers, and I communicated what I thought about what could have happened, and some people that they really need to talk to, sit down, interview and give a lie detector test to, and ah…

Ron: So you did have a strong intuition

Don:
Really strong. Really ya. Really strong intuition, and it’s, I’m telling you right now, It’s somebody in that area. She’s in that area.

Ron: Ok, not to make light of this but you’re kind of like the mentalist

Don: Right I am Ya

Ron: without the vest

Don:
 So this is what I am gonna ask, if she not found over Labour day, and I know a lot of people have Labour day prob.. the difficulty is this is in doing grid searches is to do a really great grid search in that area. We need about 300, 400 people to show up down there, it’s not gonna happen this weekend because it’s labour day and I get it. But if we haven’t found that little girl yet, what I am gonna ask that we do, and we didn’t give you a lot of notice on Friday, to change all of your plans for Saturday morning, that’s not fair, but for the people who did show up I really appreciate it, and it is a long, long drive but, the following weekend, If they haven’t found her yet, ah we need to try to get 300 of us down there, and really do a grid search. In my mind, right in that area because, there are woods everywhere, and this is also what I’m going to ask. Is if you live within 50 mile of McCleary, would you do this, either tonight, this week, or over the weekend, would you walk your property? Because I even saw, a lot of property that I couldn’t go on, and I saw all of these abandoned buildings, I saw abandon boats, I saw abandoned washers and dryers, so many places you where you could stash a little girl and you can’t walk on to that property and search, and neither could any of these search and recue teams. You can’t do that either unless you get permission, And a lot of time people aren’t home.

Ron:
You know another thing is to think differently about it. If I was going to look on my property, I wouldn’t think to look under my barn, but then when Frank the dog gets scared, Boom. He goes under and he’d be about the size of a 10 year old girl or an 11 year old girl about the same size, they could go underneath there, it’s not something that I would ever do, and if I were searching I would have to stop and think. Oh ya, I should get down on my hands and knees with a flash light and look under the barn. And in those types of situations like you’re talking about.

Don:
 Ya but lets say you’re on a mountain bike team and you’re gonna be out mountain biking weekend, why not get off you’re mountain bike and take a look, or maybe you’re gonna be fishing, or hunting and fishing you know you know what’s going to happen and I hope she’s still alive, I really do but if she’s not still alive and this is a recovery situation, it’s gonna be somebody out there that’s fishing, it’s gonna be somebody out there that’s riding their bike, it’s gonna be somebody out there that was going for a hunt or a hike, and they’re gonna be the ones to fine her.

Ron:
 If it was someone that she knew, then the chances would be that she would be closer, rather then farther.

Don: I think so. I think it was someone that she knew, but I think it’s closer rather then farther, but you know talking to Melissa, her mom, there’s just you know an amazing woman, well we’re going to continue to believe that she’s still alive, and so is it’s ah if it’s ah recovery situation though then, I’m just going to ask everyone who lives within 50 miles of McCleary and if you don’t know where it is, then just Google it, or when you get home put the map up.

Ron: It basically just west of Olympia.
Don: Ya, just think about your property right now, out in Maple Valley and you got 10 Acers out there, if someone did harm to someone, they could hide it on your property and you might not find it for 5 years because there’s so many different places right.

Ron: I was out there this weekend and there’s 100 places I didn’t go.

Don:
So please look in those 100 places, and if you’re spending some time with family & friends, just remember that there’s a little girl out there that’s not spending time with her family & her friends, and maybe we can find her. So findlindseybaum.com is the website. If you have any tip that you want to give Greys harbour or the FBI, you could just go to that website or mynorthwest.com, click on the Ron & Don show page and if you want to see a picture of her, or her mom, or just information about her on mynorthwest.com. Alright, we just gotta do a much, much better job at making sure that when the sun goes down that the night is still ok for our kids, right, unbelievable 3:47, thanks for listening to me blabber on but I think it’s important that we find Lindsey, we gotta check the cars too. This is Ron & Don, new as we see it right here on news talk 97.3 kiro FM.

This is from Aug 31st 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 01:15:38 PM
Thanks so much for posting this.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 24, 2009, 05:15:52 PM
Kona, thank you for the typed out interview.

There are woods across the street from my house and everyday I take a peek into the woods to see if I see something suspicious. I'm not sure if any of it is private property though, so I don't venture into it unless I see something odd. I will expand my walks over the next few days to see if the dog and I find anything unusual. My dog has an incredible sniffer on him, one of the only dogs I've seen that stuffs his face into the ground when he picks up a smell. Though I have my doubts she is up here, she isn't found yet, so there is the chance.

Another thing I look and listen for is large scavenger type birds making a circle above an area. I don't think Washington has vultures, but we have a bird that is in the same family... and then of course the crows.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sherip on September 24, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD - I have been a searcher on all of the organized searches for Lindsey so far and I will go anywhere you direct me.  Please contact me and let me know how big of an area, and how many people are needed to cover area.  There are a lot of good serious searchers willing to help.  I can email ssKlaas or you can to get my contact information.

Thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 24, 2009, 07:37:14 PM
KarmaR, did the Don man on the radio say he would bring 500 people to help search?  Wonder why that hasn't happened.
I don't know Sister,I didn't listen to Don's show.
Someone at WS did post that the McCleary LE promised to speak at the upcoming vigil for Lindsey(Saturday,9/26/09)although IMO all we'll hear will be they are working on the case intensely behind the scenes.

Sorry, I thought it was you that I got the link from.
Yeah, we need the tape recorders running for LE enlightment -- duh!  I've tried very hard to give them the benefit of all doubts about not sharing info and I do understand there may be some things they can't share so not to compromise the investigation, but they could say they are following promising leads or something! or they have no leads and they need the public's help.  I don't think they are even showing up for the searches.  Now that is messed up!
I think I did post the link to Don's radio show but I didn't listen to it and haven't read any comments from anyone anywhere who did listen to it.
I think some people are getting"soured"on this case because(well one reason)of Michelle Bart inserting her nasty self into it.
Although Melissa Baum said she did not hire Michelle Bart.....just having a leach like Michelle Bart around would scare anyone away from helping with the case.
I have read that the LE have shown up for the searches but they were not involved in the searches.

KarmaR, I did listen to it.  He said he thinks it's a local and he was in McCleary for a search and talked about that.  He said he can get 500 searchers to come and help.
Michelle Bart -- I know MelissaB wants all the help she can get -- but you are so right, that's hurting them and not helping them.
Michelle Bart is a leach who shows up at the most horrific times to prey on people who are searching for their missing kids.She showed up for the Anthonys too but they are just like her.

So Don did say he could have 500 people help search for Lindsey.....thanks for the info.I guess we will see if he's for real or just shooting off his mouth when they do the next upcoming search.
That would be great if 500 people showed up,the media would show up then I bet.

He was also saying the search that he went to was so disorganized.  He was not very gentle about the search organization nor LE.  That's why he said, if they would get their act together he could get that many people there.  I guess he doesn't want to have 500 people going around like chickens with their heads cut off.
 :smt117
I did read where the searches got off to a rocky start but never read they were that disorganized.I would hope it wasn't that bad because Mark(?)Klaas from Klaas Kids and the Laura Recovery group were both in McCleary helping them get searches organized.I don't think these 2 groups actually searched but they helped get them set up.This is so confusing.

That's what the radio man said, very, very disorganized.  Just going by what he said and as he was there and did search.  Said, he finally went off on his own to search.  Apparently, the search had a profound effect on him.
Can you post anything else he has said?
 ::MonkeyTears::

KarmaR, I listened to it, wrote down some notes, but they're just notes.  I don't know if they have transcripts, I would doubt it as it is radio and not tv.  Sorry.  I do know he was surprised that more wasn't being done and that what was done was disorganized and how frustrated he felt.  He did say he had a LE buddy in another jurisdiction he was going to talk to about it, he felt so strongly.  I really hesitate to write my notes about it, as so many times things here get cut apart and sometimes taken out of context.  I can find my notes, but again, it isn't that I don't want to share, but it would just be my perspective of what he said.
Ahh,I see Sister and understand.Someone at WS said they read the transcript from Don's radio show so I thought there might be a transcript floating around out there.I'll have to look for it this weekend.Thank you for the info you did post though.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 07:41:20 PM
KarmaR, Kona posted one the shows that I heard -- the transcript is above. Very interesting about his "strong" feelings after talking with some of the locals.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 24, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
Thank you Kona!
For the radio show transcript.
1)So Don knows something that he cannot share,let's hope he shared it with the right LE or FBI person.

2)I don't like under Sheriff Rick Scott.I don't know why but he gives me a weird feeling.....something about him.

3)So everyone and their Gramma is telling people"search your out buildings,barns,old cars etc.That is a good idea but sometimes I wish they wouldn't say that.....that's like telling a murderer/kidnapper/some freaky sicko"search your property"and the sicko says"okey dokey smokey,consider it done!"

4)I would like the people(LE & KaraK & Media) in McCleary to get out a map and map out Lindsey's at least 6 block walk home from KaraK's house and tell me again how it's 3 to 4 blocks long and is a 7 minute walk.

5)I'm sorry for my pissyness.

6)Please keep Lindsey in your daily thoughts and prayers.

 ::MonkeyAngel::




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 24, 2009, 08:30:10 PM
Thank you Kona!
For the radio show transcript.
1)So Don knows something that he cannot share,let's hope he shared it with the right LE or FBI person.

2)I don't like under Sheriff Rick Scott.I don't know why but he gives me a weird feeling.....something about him.

3)So everyone and their Gramma is telling people"search your out buildings,barns,old cars etc.That is a good idea but sometimes I wish they wouldn't say that.....that's like telling a murderer/kidnapper/some freaky sicko"search your property"and the sicko says"okey dokey smokey,consider it done!"

4)I would like the people(LE & KaraK & Media) in McCleary to get out a map and map out Lindsey's at least 6 block walk home from KaraK's house and tell me again how it's 3 to 4 blocks long and is a 7 minute walk.

5)I'm sorry for my pissyness.

6)Please keep Lindsey in your daily thoughts and prayers.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 24, 2009, 10:11:18 PM
Thank-you Karma  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 24, 2009, 11:07:42 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD - I have been a searcher on all of the organized searches for Lindsey so far and I will go anywhere you direct me.  Please contact me and let me know how big of an area, and how many people are needed to cover area.  There are a lot of good serious searchers willing to help.  I can email ssKlaas or you can to get my contact information.

Thanks

It's not big, I think a couple of people could go there easily.  You need 4 wheel drive, and some guts.  thats about it.  If I lived up there I would be there myself.  If I didn't have my dogs, I would be there anyway.   I would recommend no woman go there alone though.  I have one very specific place and walk from there right up a little creek, maybe up the creek a mile or so. It's not going to be hard.

my contact info is to the right


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 11:13:32 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 24, 2009, 11:15:05 PM
make that my left haha.  or at the bottom


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 24, 2009, 11:20:41 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


Highlighted by me in above quote

So, The private search team is only obligated to say nothing if hired by LE ??

Is that what that means ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 24, 2009, 11:21:42 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


this is from the 7/02 report... hmmm so this is before the 8/31/ one


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 11:22:10 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


Highlighted by me in above quote

So, The private search team is only obligated to say nothing if hired by LE ??

Is that what that means ?

I'm not sure.  I'm reading it to mean Mr. Oakes hasn't broken any confidentiality.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
dd, I hate to bring this up again . . . but as I was reading in looks like the search fund is empty again, or a least was.  Man!  Maybe that's why the searches are spaced so far apart.  I just don't know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 24, 2009, 11:31:38 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


this is from the 7/02 report... hmmm so this is before the 8/31/ one

I thought there had been two searches.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KONAMOCHA on September 24, 2009, 11:34:16 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


this is from the 7/02 report... hmmm so this is before the 8/31/ one


There was more than one search report ??
 ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 24, 2009, 11:35:46 PM
dd, I hate to bring this up again . . . but as I was reading in looks like the search fund is empty again, or a least was.  Man!  Maybe that's why the searches are spaced so far apart.  I just don't know.

Bring your own sack lunch should work.  I doubt people come there to eat anyway. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 24, 2009, 11:48:48 PM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


this is from the 7/02 report... hmmm so this is before the 8/31/ one

I thought there had been two searches.

2?  by HO?  he's been there more than that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 25, 2009, 03:29:58 AM
Ick. Does anyone know exactly what the search funds cover?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 11:11:12 AM
This may be the rest of the e-mail from Mr. Oakes -- it was posted on Insession:

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.
...
Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html



What email?  TIA.

My take when I accessed the link is that the above words are a direct quote from an interview with Harry Oakes with a representative of "The International Canine Search and Rescue Service" and ... Oakes words are not a reference to any particular search ... just his policy.

In my opinion ... the interview with Harry Oakes is a very insightful read in more ways than one.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: canadianmonkey on September 25, 2009, 11:25:45 AM
Thank you Kona!
For the radio show transcript.
1)So Don knows something that he cannot share,let's hope he shared it with the right LE or FBI person.

2)I don't like under Sheriff Rick Scott.I don't know why but he gives me a weird feeling.....something about him.

3)So everyone and their Gramma is telling people"search your out buildings,barns,old cars etc.That is a good idea but sometimes I wish they wouldn't say that.....that's like telling a murderer/kidnapper/some freaky sicko"search your property"and the sicko says"okey dokey smokey,consider it done!"

4)I would like the people(LE & KaraK & Media) in McCleary to get out a map and map out Lindsey's at least 6 block walk home from KaraK's house and tell me again how it's 3 to 4 blocks long and is a 7 minute walk.

5)I'm sorry for my pissyness.

6)Please keep Lindsey in your daily thoughts and prayers.

 ::MonkeyAngel::




My thoughtst exactly Karma.  What's the good in everyone searching their property.  If you kidnap someone or murder someone and the evidence is on your property you aren't going to go to the police and say you found something are you?  ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:30:08 AM
Thank you Kona!
For the radio show transcript.
1)So Don knows something that he cannot share,let's hope he shared it with the right LE or FBI person.

2)I don't like under Sheriff Rick Scott.I don't know why but he gives me a weird feeling.....something about him.

3)So everyone and their Gramma is telling people"search your out buildings,barns,old cars etc.That is a good idea but sometimes I wish they wouldn't say that.....that's like telling a murderer/kidnapper/some freaky sicko"search your property"and the sicko says"okey dokey smokey,consider it done!"

4)I would like the people(LE & KaraK & Media) in McCleary to get out a map and map out Lindsey's at least 6 block walk home from KaraK's house and tell me again how it's 3 to 4 blocks long and is a 7 minute walk.

5)I'm sorry for my pissyness.

6)Please keep Lindsey in your daily thoughts and prayers.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


My thoughtst exactly Karma.  What's the good in everyone searching their property.  If you kidnap someone or murder someone and the evidence is on your property you aren't going to go to the police and say you found something are you?  ::MonkeyMad::

I guess the only good would be to find a body, otherwise . . . you both are so right.
With the searches spaced so far apart, I'm afraid that's what they are searching for.  It's heart breaking.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 11:31:27 AM
The International K-9 Search and Rescue Services' website only lists one report that was submitted to authorities by Harry Oakes in regards to the Lindsey Baum case.  Maybe the website has not been updated if DD has learned that there was a 8/31 report.

Janet

++++++++

07-02-09 Re: 06-28-09 5963-323(B). Missing child. Gray’s Harbor Co. Wa. Lindsey Baum McCleary, Wa. Age 10. Sent my search report to FBI and McCleary City PD.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:35:39 AM
Last revised 7-27-2009.
         
  Copyright © 2005 International K-9 Search and Rescue Services. All rights reserved.
 

dd, I know more searches were done, does not necessarily mean a report was submitted.  Reading is a wonderful gift as versus . . . !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Last revised 7-27-2009.
         
  Copyright © 2005 International K-9 Search and Rescue Services. All rights reserved.
 

dd, I know more searches were done, does not necessarily mean a report was submitted.  Reading is a wonderful gift as versus . . . !


yes it was submitted.  And ignored.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 12:05:28 PM
Last revised 7-27-2009.
         
  Copyright © 2005 International K-9 Search and Rescue Services. All rights reserved.
 
dd, I know more searches were done, does not necessarily mean a report was submitted.  Reading is a wonderful gift as versus . . . !


yes it was submitted.  And ignored.

yes, it makes this so sad that what is a viable lead . . . nothing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 12:13:34 PM
dd, do you have a link or pix of KK's sons' arm injury that happened about the time Lindsey went missing?  I'm trying to sort a couple things out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 12:15:28 PM
It is comforting to learn from DD that Harry Oakes' canine search a short time following Lindsey Baum's disappearance was not the last canine search.  It would sure be interesting to know what were the findings revealed in Oakes' report submitted on 8/31.

I will email LE/FBI today requesting an answer to why the findings of Harry Oakes' canine searches are not taken seriously.  I do not expect an answer but ... not allowing the Lindsey Baum case to become cold is my mission on the forum and behind the scenes through emails.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 12:23:15 PM
I have to say this.  And I will say it here because I know everyone reads here. 

"IF" we believe Harry Oakes, then sad to say Lindsey is no longer with us... I will be trashed over this I know, but it is the truth and we need to know the truth.  Notice I say "IF" we "believe" HO... Either we don't believe him or we do.  I have tried to figure out every way he might be mistaken, that maybe his dogs made a mistake, or he misinterpreted what his dogs "told" him.... but the fact is, we believe him or we don't.  "IF" we believe him, Lindsey is gone.  I am sorry but that is the way it is... IF we don't wish to believe HO, then we need to not focus on what he said. I don't want to believe him, because if I do, this means Lindsey is not coming home.  On the other hand what is there to make me NOT believe him? 

HO did not go to Mccleary only one time.  He did not follow those trails only one time.  He went at least 4 times that I know of.  He trailed the same trail more than one and the exact same thing happened.  If he is wrong and his dogs are wrong, then they are consistently wrong... On the other hand if they are right, they are consistently right. 

Anyone who has the report of HO and has any sense at all can interpret it and know what it says... It is not some "voodoo" interpretation, it is specific and detailed, and anyone who has it should know where to look.  And anyone who knows about the woods should know the longer they wait to look the less likely they will ever find her.  And anyone who has the information I have will know that each DAY might be the day which is going to make the difference in finding her or not... Two weeks between searches is going to be what makes ever finding her impossible.  There is not going to be any hunters or fishermen stumbling up her later.  Every single minute (literally) is going to make a difference whether she is found or not. 

Now... on the other hand if no one believes HO, then we have a totally different situation going on and she might very well be alive.  And again, every MINUTE could mean the difference whether she is found alive or not... Time is our worst enemy at this point.  There is no time to sit and wait for two weeks to roll around, then another two weeks, then through the winter etc. 

I hate posting this, I really do, but reality is reality, and whatever is going to be done at this point, needs to be based upon reality, not some hopes and dreams situation someone wishes to imagine.  The truth is, if Lindsey is out there in those woods, every minute can make the difference if she is ever found or not.  Anyone living in those areas KNOWS this.  So why tell me, are all the people sitting on their butts talking about this and not out there trying to find her? 

I just hope someone gets up some guts and will get off their rears and go look.  Winter is coming... and even long before winter sets in, there are just other circumstances which will make it impossible to EVER find her.  Is that what someone is hoping for?  I really have to wonder.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
dd, do you have a link or pix of KK's sons' arm injury that happened about the time Lindsey went missing?  I'm trying to sort a couple things out.

Maybe DD or anothe Monkey did a screen capture of that injury in regards to Shorty (Kara's son).  However ... Shorty's myspace no longer shows the image as far as I can determine.

What age is Shorty?

Janet

++++++

Kara K
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1758 on: July 09, 2009, 12:32:57 AM
»

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg870836;topicseen#msg870836


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 12:31:01 PM
It is comforting to learn from DD that Harry Oakes' canine search a short time following Lindsey Baum's disappearance was not the last canine search.  It would sure be interesting to know what were the findings revealed in Oakes' report submitted on 8/31.

I will email LE/FBI today requesting an answer to why the findings of Harry Oakes' canine searches are not taken seriously.  I do not expect an answer but ... not allowing the Lindsey Baum case to become cold is my mission on the forum and behind the scenes through emails.

Janet

I highlighted about in red...

thank you tomikasmom... I appreciate your willingness to email people behind the scenes. 
Although I already know the answer to that question, I surely would like you to receive an answer straight from the horses mouth as to why they are not paying attention to Harry Oakes. 

I know they told people he is a quack... I have a hard time believing that as his dogs tracked exactly to places I had information about back in July, long before his info about this surfaced... so tell me how do I and harry oakes end up in the same places?  I have to believe he knows what he is doing... the only other thing I can come up with is someone I told, told him, and he went there.  But I asked the person who was incontact with him and who I had told these things if they told this things to HO, and they swore they told him nothing about it... so I really find it almost impossible he would end up in the same places, more than one or two, that I ended up in, IF he is making it all up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 12:32:17 PM
I have to say this.  And I will say it here because I know everyone reads here. 

"IF" we believe Harry Oakes, then sad to say Lindsey is no longer with us... I will be trashed over this I know, but it is the truth and we need to know the truth.  Notice I say "IF" we "believe" HO... Either we don't believe him or we do.  I have tried to figure out every way he might be mistaken, that maybe his dogs made a mistake, or he misinterpreted what his dogs "told" him.... but the fact is, we believe him or we don't.  "IF" we believe him, Lindsey is gone.  I am sorry but that is the way it is... IF we don't wish to believe HO, then we need to not focus on what he said. I don't want to believe him, because if I do, this means Lindsey is not coming home.  On the other hand what is there to make me NOT believe him? 

HO did not go to Mccleary only one time.  He did not follow those trails only one time.  He went at least 4 times that I know of.  He trailed the same trail more than one and the exact same thing happened.  If he is wrong and his dogs are wrong, then they are consistently wrong... On the other hand if they are right, they are consistently right. 

Anyone who has the report of HO and has any sense at all can interpret it and know what it says... It is not some "voodoo" interpretation, it is specific and detailed, and anyone who has it should know where to look.  And anyone who knows about the woods should know the longer they wait to look the less likely they will ever find her.  And anyone who has the information I have will know that each DAY might be the day which is going to make the difference in finding her or not... Two weeks between searches is going to be what makes ever finding her impossible.  There is not going to be any hunters or fishermen stumbling up her later.  Every single minute (literally) is going to make a difference whether she is found or not. 

Now... on the other hand if no one believes HO, then we have a totally different situation going on and she might very well be alive.  And again, every MINUTE could mean the difference whether she is found alive or not... Time is our worst enemy at this point.  There is no time to sit and wait for two weeks to roll around, then another two weeks, then through the winter etc. 

I hate posting this, I really do, but reality is reality, and whatever is going to be done at this point, needs to be based upon reality, not some hopes and dreams situation someone wishes to imagine.  The truth is, if Lindsey is out there in those woods, every minute can make the difference if she is ever found or not.  Anyone living in those areas KNOWS this.  So why tell me, are all the people sitting on their butts talking about this and not out there trying to find her? 

I just hope someone gets up some guts and will get off their rears and go look.  Winter is coming... and even long before winter sets in, there are just other circumstances which will make it impossible to EVER find her.  Is that what someone is hoping for?  I really have to wonder.

I believe Mr. Oakes, I believe 100% in his dogs.  Dogs have no agenda other than to track.  Dog don't lie.  I am very, very sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 12:40:45 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



It should be noted that Harry Oakes at no time claimed that the Death Scent detected by his dog/s was related to Lindsey Baum.

However ... if Harry Oakes' findings are credible ... the timing and location of the death scent in relation to disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... should imply his reports to the authorities should have been investigated.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sherip on September 25, 2009, 12:45:23 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD - I have been a searcher on all of the organized searches for Lindsey so far and I will go anywhere you direct me.  Please contact me and let me know how big of an area, and how many people are needed to cover area.  There are a lot of good serious searchers willing to help.  I can email ssKlaas or you can to get my contact information.

Thanks

It's not big, I think a couple of people could go there easily.  You need 4 wheel drive, and some guts.  thats about it.  If I lived up there I would be there myself.  If I didn't have my dogs, I would be there anyway.   I would recommend no woman go there alone though.  I have one very specific place and walk from there right up a little creek, maybe up the creek a mile or so. It's not going to be hard.

my contact info is to the right

I can see your contact info is a website so I went to your website and it wont let me log in.  I emailed you yesterday too with my personal info.  I have both a 4WD and guts.  There are some very good searchers that will join me.  Can you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
According to Harry Oakes ...

Note: Many of the police depts in Ore. and Washington don't like us because we come in to the search privately on behalf of the family and find the victim or what happened to the victim when the police and their certified K-9 SAR teams failed to find anything.

When a police dept calls us in, we work for them, and won’t talk to anyone regarding their case and our findings.

When they refuse our offers to assist and the victim(s) family calls in, we then work for the family. If this embarrasses the law enforcement community, it’s not our fault. We’re just doing the job we’ve been hired to do.

http://www.k9sardog.com/searches.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



It should be noted that Harry Oakes at no time claimed that the Death Scent detected by his dog/s was related to Lindsey Baum.

However ... if Harry Oakes' findings are credible ... the timing and location of the death scent in relation to disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... should imply his reports to the authorities should have been investigated.

Janet

Janet, I know you are basing your statement on the information YOU have, which is a little piece... And if that is all the information YOU have, then your statement is very true, that HO never claimed the Death Scent was related to Lindsey... on the other hand, YOU don't have very much of the information.  So I am going to share something.  "I" have a LOT more information than YOU do, and I base what I say upon what "I" know, and if you had that information as well, I am sure you would know he might have been looking for a LIVE lindsey at the time he started, but that is not the case NOW.  sorry everyone.  But that is the absolute truth.

edit: Per poster's request. Typo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 12:52:19 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



It should be noted that Harry Oakes at no time claimed that the Death Scent detected by his dog/s was related to Lindsey Baum.

However ... if Harry Oakes' findings are credible ... the timing and location of the death scent in relation to disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... should imply his reports to the authorities should have been investigated.

Janet

Janet, I know you are basing your statement on the information YOU have, which is a little piece... And if that is all the information YOU have, then your statement is very true, that HO never claimed the Death Scent was related to Lindsey... on the other hand, YOU don't have very much of the information.  So I am going to share something.  "I" have a LOT more information than YOU do, and I base what I say upon what "I" know, and if you had that information as well, I am sure you would know he might have been looking for a LIVE lindsey at the time he started, but that is not the case NOW.  sorry everyone.  But that is the absolute truth.

edit ......... by poster's request. Typo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 12:55:11 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD - I have been a searcher on all of the organized searches for Lindsey so far and I will go anywhere you direct me.  Please contact me and let me know how big of an area, and how many people are needed to cover area.  There are a lot of good serious searchers willing to help.  I can email ssKlaas or you can to get my contact information.

Thanks

It's not big, I think a couple of people could go there easily.  You need 4 wheel drive, and some guts.  thats about it.  If I lived up there I would be there myself.  If I didn't have my dogs, I would be there anyway.   I would recommend no woman go there alone though.  I have one very specific place and walk from there right up a little creek, maybe up the creek a mile or so. It's not going to be hard.

my contact info is to the right

I can see your contact info is a website so I went to your website and it wont let me log in.  I emailed you yesterday too with my personal info.  I have both a 4WD and guts.  There are some very good searchers that will join me.  Can you


I did not receive an email from you, most likely went to the wrong email... try this one.  keysring@yahoo.com
thanks..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sherip on September 25, 2009, 12:58:07 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.

DD - I have been a searcher on all of the organized searches for Lindsey so far and I will go anywhere you direct me.  Please contact me and let me know how big of an area, and how many people are needed to cover area.  There are a lot of good serious searchers willing to help.  I can email ssKlaas or you can to get my contact information.

Thanks

It's not big, I think a couple of people could go there easily.  You need 4 wheel drive, and some guts.  thats about it.  If I lived up there I would be there myself.  If I didn't have my dogs, I would be there anyway.   I would recommend no woman go there alone though.  I have one very specific place and walk from there right up a little creek, maybe up the creek a mile or so. It's not going to be hard.

my contact info is to the right

I can see your contact info is a website so I went to your website and it wont let me log in.  I emailed you yesterday too with my personal info.  I have both a 4WD and guts.  There are some very good searchers that will join me.  Can you


I did not receive an email from you, most likely went to the wrong email... try this one.  keysring@yahoo.com
thanks..

Ok I am send it right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 12:58:28 PM
DD

You are correct.  Harry Oakes' words in his email to me regarding the death scent ... words that I shared with the forum ... is ALL that I have to go on.  Either Oakes told me the truth or he lied to me.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would rather Harry Oakes had not responded to my email if his words were not the truth.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 01:01:14 PM
DD

You are correct.  Harry Oakes' words in his email to me regarding the death scent ... words that I shared with the forum ... is ALL that I have to go on.  Either Oakes told me the truth or he lied to me.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would rather Harry Oakes had not responded to my email if his words were not the truth.

Janet

He did not LIE to you, he just left so much out, that you didn't get enough to know the rest.  Remember, he went more than once.  As he found out more, his conclusions become clearer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 01:03:18 PM
I do not believe for one moment Harry Oakes is a liar.  In fact, based on what dd knew in July, it is an affirmation.
We know what his e-mail said, we know what his website says . . . he has no reason to lie and his dogs do what they are trained to do.
The bigger issue, IMO, is what is LE doing about it or why haven't they done anything about it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 01:09:54 PM
I do not believe for one moment Harry Oakes is a liar.  In fact, based on what dd knew in July, it is an affirmation.
We know what his e-mail said, we know what his website says . . . he has no reason to lie and his dogs do what they are trained to do.
The bigger issue, IMO, is what is LE doing about it or why haven't they done anything about it.

This is a real concern.  Even if they thought HO is a "quack", shouldn't they just to look.  I mean they KNOW where to look, it is not like they have to go hiking all over a mountain to follow directions.  I could do it in a day by myself.  So how dang hard is it for them to go there?  Did they go?  Did they say, what a "quack" and toss the reports and whatever else he gave them?  They have had plenty of time to have done whatever they needed to do.  If they have done something then they should let someone know that they at least acted upon what HO told them and submitted.  We need to be speaking up here and make people accountible(sp)... I have been sitting here being quiet because people close to the case want me to be quiet... well crap, how long do we all sit and be quiet?  3 more months?  into winter?  next year?  come on people... time is of essense here, unless you want some unsolved cold case to be in the archives 20 years from now... ugh.  Let people trash me to heck, I don't care, I should have spoke up long ago, but out of respect for some people I "THOUGHT" were doing something, I didn't.  I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 01:15:36 PM
DD

You are correct.  Harry Oakes' words in his email to me regarding the death scent ... words that I shared with the forum ... is ALL that I have to go on.  Either Oakes told me the truth or he lied to me.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would rather Harry Oakes had not responded to my email if his words were not the truth.

Janet

He did not LIE to you, he just left so much out, that you didn't get enough to know the rest.  Remember, he went more than once.  As he found out more, his conclusions become clearer.

Harry Oakes email to me was on September 8, 2009.

My understanding of Oakes' words in a nutshell is that a death scent was detected by his dog/s in the Beck Street Area but ... the death scent was not necessarily Lindsey.

I do not think for one minute that Harry Oakes lied to me.  However ... I do find the details he shared of the search area somewhat confusing.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 01:17:30 PM
Monkeys

I took it upon myself to email Harry Oakes regarding the report that he send to the FBI concerning the canine search for Lindsey Baum.  I specifically asked him about the detection of Lindsey's scent at 6th and Maple and ... then along 6th Street ... as indicated by Kara Kampen on this forum.

The following was not as clear as I had hoped.  However ... it was an appreciated response nevertheless.

Janet

+++++++

RE: LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH‏
From:  Harry Oakes (harry98632@yahoo.com) 
Sent: September 8, 2009 12:12:42 PM



we actually tracked up to Beck St then NE To a logging atv road and our search continues there. So far we've located two empty beer bottles, and a track (Scent trail) heading east 6 miles on either a motor cycle or ATV.

we are also (the search dogs) picking up a dead human alert 1/2 mile East of Beck the winds are coming from the south. I can't tell you about anything else we've found. That's been handed over to the McCleary Police.

Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

Harry



It should be noted that Harry Oakes at no time claimed that the Death Scent detected by his dog/s was related to Lindsey Baum.

However ... if Harry Oakes' findings are credible ... the timing and location of the death scent in relation to disappearance of Lindsey Baum ... should imply his reports to the authorities should have been investigated.

Janet

Janet, I know you are basing your statement on the information YOU have, which is a little piece... And if that is all the information YOU have, then your statement is very true, that HO never claimed the Death Scent was related to Lindsey... on the other hand, YOU don't have very much of the information.  So I am going to share something.  "I" have a LOT more information than YOU do, and I base what I say upon what "I" know, and if you had that information as well, I am sure you would know.  He might have been looking for a LIVE lindsey at the time he started, but that is not the case NOW. sorry everyone.  But that is the absolute truth.

highlighted above.... what I should have said is...

can a mod please remove the red highlight in this post and the same words in the original post and insert the part I have in blue...please..

if not, someone is going go copy the one that is not corrected and it will go all over the net like that and it is going to make a HUGE difference in what it says

thank you.

edit: per poster's request. Typo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 01:18:38 PM
I do not believe for one moment Harry Oakes is a liar.  In fact, based on what dd knew in July, it is an affirmation.
We know what his e-mail said, we know what his website says . . . he has no reason to lie and his dogs do what they are trained to do.
The bigger issue, IMO, is what is LE doing about it or why haven't they done anything about it.

This is a real concern.  Even if they thought HO is a "quack", shouldn't they just to look.  I mean they KNOW where to look, it is not like they have to go hiking all over a mountain to follow directions.  I could do it in a day by myself.  So how dang hard is it for them to go there?  Did they go?  Did they say, what a "quack" and toss the reports and whatever else he gave them?  They have had plenty of time to have done whatever they needed to do.  If they have done something then they should let someone know that they at least acted upon what HO told them and submitted.  We need to be speaking up here and make people accountible(sp)... I have been sitting here being quiet because people close to the case want me to be quiet... well crap, how long do we all sit and be quiet?  3 more months?  into winter?  next year?  come on people... time is of essense here, unless you want some unsolved cold case to be in the archives 20 years from now... ugh.  Let people trash me to heck, I don't care, I should have spoke up long ago, but out of respect for some people I "THOUGHT" were doing something, I didn't.  I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way...

dd, I know, having worked with you on other cases, that you try to honor what people tell you in confidence.  It is one of the reasons I like working with you.  But you are right, where do you draw the line -- the line is drawn when nothing gets done that you possibly lead to Lindsey coming home.  I honor your decision.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 01:26:57 PM
DD

You are correct.  Harry Oakes' words in his email to me regarding the death scent ... words that I shared with the forum ... is ALL that I have to go on.  Either Oakes told me the truth or he lied to me.
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

I would rather Harry Oakes had not responded to my email if his words were not the truth.

Janet

He did not LIE to you, he just left so much out, that you didn't get enough to know the rest.  Remember, he went more than once.  As he found out more, his conclusions become clearer.

Harry Oakes email to me was on September 8, 2009.

My understanding of Oakes' words in a nutshell is that a death scent was detected by his dog/s in the Beck Street Area but ... the death scent was not necessarily Lindsey.

I do not think for one minute that Harry Oakes lied to me.  However ... I do find the details he shared of the search area somewhat confusing.

Janet



It's confusing, Tomikasmom, because what he shared with you is so little and the directions are kind of jumbled all together. It makes for someone trying to figure it out to read it incorrectly and come up with something totally different.  It was easier for me to understand it because I had all the information from two witnesses and another separate person, so I could understand what he was saying easier than someone who had no other info.  However I could not explain it because no one wanted me to, and rather than let anyone know anything, people would rather call me a liar and making things up, and then tell you he lied to you. 

He did not lie.  What he told you is true, but everyone has it interpreted incorrectly.  Rather than anyone trying to explain it so something might help, they choose to let everyone remain confused and try to make me be quiet.  ugh.  so I was quiet... not anymore I am not.  I want something done. 

ok so then he knew on 8/31 what he knew at the time he emailed you, so he just chose to tell you what he told you because he probably does not want to commit 100% to what he thought.  He certainly could not come right out and tell you that, so he left it open I guess, I can't say really, I don't know why he left it open like that...but how do you tell someone, what you think.. and my guess(heck I don't KNOW WHY) he figured soon someone would act upon what he submitted and it would come out then... But at this point in time, I really don't believe anyone is doing anything with his info and I think someone needs to speak up and start asking why and MAKE someone do something.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 01:27:26 PM
self edit:
that can possibly lead to Lindsey coming home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 25, 2009, 01:28:10 PM
Quote.. "I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way... "

I love that kind of talk.. It is,The Power of "Fed Up" that gets things done.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 01:35:46 PM
Quote.. "I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way... "

I love that kind of talk.. It is,The Power of "Fed Up" that gets things done.


thank you.  I HONOR my word more than anything in life.  But heck my promises were made regarding a two way street.  I would not say anything and pass the info on to them, and they would get things done.  Now I find out no one has done anything, no one passed info on, no one is every going to do anything, I yet I honor my part and stay quiet, all the while letting people say I make crap up blah blah.  Well I am willing to sit here and take crap from people if it helps find Lindsey.. but when enough time goes by, and they never HONOR their PART of the promise.  I am thinking okay, these people want this all hushed up for the WRONG reasons.. that was NOT the DEAL I made, so DEAL off.  I have sit behind the scenes trying to get someone to do something over and over and over and all they do is lie.  yes I am FED UP.. FED UP with THEM ALL.  Now they get to see the REAL me.  No quiet naive, able to be conned, stupid person; nor am I intimidated by ANYONE... and I mean NO ONE... so hey, now it my way or the highway.  And I am not the one going anywhere.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: canadianmonkey on September 25, 2009, 01:40:20 PM
Quote.. "I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way... "

I love that kind of talk.. It is,The Power of "Fed Up" that gets things done.


thank you.  I HONOR my word more than anything in life.  But heck my promises were made regarding a two way street.  I would not say anything and pass the info on to them, and they would get things done.  Now I find out no one has done anything, no one passed info on, no one is every going to do anything, I yet I honor my part and stay quiet, all the while letting people say I make crap up blah blah.  Well I am willing to sit here and take crap from people if it helps find Lindsey.. but when enough time goes by, and they never HONOR their PART of the promise.  I am thinking okay, these people want this all hushed up for the WRONG reasons.. that was NOT the DEAL I made, so DEAL off.  I have sit behind the scenes trying to get someone to do something over and over and over and all they do is lie.  yes I am FED UP.. FED UP with THEM ALL.  Now they get to see the REAL me.  No quiet naive, able to be conned, stupid person; nor am I intimidated by ANYONE... and I mean NO ONE... so hey, now it my way or the highway.  And I am not the one going anywhere.

 ::MonkeyCheer4:: ::MonkeyCheer3::  Go DD!!!!!  I hope that Sherip is successful in her search with your information.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MonkeyinSC on September 25, 2009, 02:11:37 PM
Quote.. "I'm fed up... now I will do this MY way... "

I love that kind of talk.. It is,The Power of "Fed Up" that gets things done.


thank you.  I HONOR my word more than anything in life.  But heck my promises were made regarding a two way street.  I would not say anything and pass the info on to them, and they would get things done.  Now I find out no one has done anything, no one passed info on, no one is every going to do anything, I yet I honor my part and stay quiet, all the while letting people say I make crap up blah blah.  Well I am willing to sit here and take crap from people if it helps find Lindsey.. but when enough time goes by, and they never HONOR their PART of the promise.  I am thinking okay, these people want this all hushed up for the WRONG reasons.. that was NOT the DEAL I made, so DEAL off.  I have sit behind the scenes trying to get someone to do something over and over and over and all they do is lie.  yes I am FED UP.. FED UP with THEM ALL.  Now they get to see the REAL me.  No quiet naive, able to be conned, stupid person; nor am I intimidated by ANYONE... and I mean NO ONE... so hey, now it my way or the highway.  And I am not the one going anywhere.

DD, you go girl !  :2notworthy: It's an attitude like that that is needed to get things moving here ! LET'S BRING LINDSEY HOME !!

Sherip, Take care in your search ! If I wasn't on the opposite coast, I'd join you in a heartbeat !


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 02:12:43 PM
I emailed you sherip, did you get it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 02:29:55 PM
dd, I reported the post that needs editing to the mods for you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 02:49:17 PM
DD

I am confused.

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings that the impending search will be based on ... what more can Sherip and the searchers accomplish than Harry Oakes to bring a conclusion to the Lindsey Baum case?

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings the impending search is based on ... to avoid any misunderstandings ... would it not make sense that Harry Oakes accompanies Sherip and the searchers?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sherip on September 25, 2009, 02:50:37 PM
I emailed you sherip, did you get it?

Yes - thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 03:08:26 PM
Search intensifies for missing McCleary girl

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html?rss


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 03:11:01 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 11:58 am PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Investigators looking into the disappearance of Lindsey Baum have served search warrants at two adjacent properties in the McCleary area, authorities told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office began serving the search warrants Friday morning and planned to continue searching through the weekend.

A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

The 11-year-old vanished June 26 on her way home from a friend's house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 03:40:42 PM
DD

I am confused.

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings that the impending search will be based on ... what more can Sherip and the searchers accomplish than Harry Oakes to bring a conclusion to the Lindsey Baum case?

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings the impending search is based on ... to avoid any misunderstandings ... would it not make sense that Harry Oakes accompanies Sherip and the searchers?

Janet


what impending search is based on.... I am giving information to Sherip which has to do with what I know.  We are not talking about HO's report.  I have other info which just so happens to coincide with his info, but the location I have is not from his info.  It is from MY info.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 03:41:31 PM
Search intensifies for missing McCleary girl

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html?rss


a video is with this article


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 03:48:46 PM


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Sister.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
DD

I am confused.

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings that the impending search will be based on ... what more can Sherip and the searchers accomplish than Harry Oakes to bring a conclusion to the Lindsey Baum case?

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings the impending search is based on ... to avoid any misunderstandings ... would it not make sense that Harry Oakes accompanies Sherip and the searchers?

Janet


what impending search is based on.... I am giving information to Sherip which has to do with what I know.  We are not talking about HO's report.  I have other info which just so happens to coincide with his info, but the location I have is not from his info.  It is from MY info.

My misunderstanding.  I apologize.

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 03:55:15 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Authorities are executing search warrants Friday at multiple locations in connection with the mysterious disappearance of an 11-year-old girl last June.
The searches, all in the McCleary area, are being carried out by the FBI, Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office and King County Sheriff's Office.


 Lindsey Baum 
Lindsey Baum disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary, and several searches have been carried out since then for her. None of them has turned up any evidence.

But an official said Friday that authorities have received new, credible information that there are locations in the McCleary area that may yield evidence to assist in the investigation.

Search warrants are being executed at those locations on Friday, and may continue throughout the weekend, said a spokesman for the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

Lindsey's disappearance has baffled and alarmed residents of McCleary, a small town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Lindsey was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. June 26 when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.

This is a developing news story. More information will be posted as soon as it becomes available.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 04:25:24 PM
Deputies acting on “credible” tip
By Jacob Jones & Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Friday, September 25, 2009 11:15 AM PDT


http://**/articles/2009/09/25/local_news/doc4abd00e90348c403452968.txt





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: crazybabyborg on September 25, 2009, 04:53:58 PM
Doubledecker? I think that clears the edits you requested in your posts for the originals and quotes.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 05:03:39 PM
wow, that dilapidated farm house that they were searching is really scary looking. i wonder who owns it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 05:10:15 PM
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html

MCCLEARY, Wash. - Authorities are executing search warrants Friday at multiple locations in connection with the mysterious disappearance of an 11-year-old girl last June.
The searches, all in the McCleary area, are being carried out by the FBI, Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office and King County Sheriff's Office.


 Lindsey Baum 
Lindsey Baum disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend's house in the small mill town of McCleary, and several searches have been carried out since then for her. None of them has turned up any evidence.

But an official said Friday that authorities have received new, credible information that there are locations in the McCleary area that may yield evidence to assist in the investigation.

Search warrants are being executed at those locations on Friday, and may continue throughout the weekend, said a spokesman for the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office.

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

Lindsey's disappearance has baffled and alarmed residents of McCleary, a small town where everyone knows their neighbors.

Lindsey was last seen between 9 and 10 p.m. June 26 when she left her friend's home on Maple Street, where she had been visiting.

Lindsey was going to walk the four blocks to her home on Mommsen Road, which is roughly a 10-minute walk. But something happened in that short distance - Lindsey never arrived home.

This is a developing news story. More information will be posted as soon as it becomes available.


Is there a map that can be post with the locations that are being searched.

Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 05:26:37 PM
The following link reveals the route from Maple and 3rd to Forman.  The route is the opposite direction from Beck Street.  I am hoping somebody on the forum can post us a good road map of McCleary and the outlying areas.

Whatever the truth encompassing the disappearance of this little girl ... I hope it is forthcoming very soon.

Janet

++++

http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 05:36:32 PM

The link also reveals the intersection of Foreman Road and Old Sand Creek Road.  How many miles would this be from the sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple?

TIA

Janet

++++++

MAP:
http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 05:40:21 PM
wow, that dilapidated farm house that they were searching is really scary looking. i wonder who owns it?

Sunshine, not sure.  Wonder if anyone lives there?  Looks like they're doing some kind of work on it, possibly.  Most of those old houses have deep wells.  The one from my great-grandparents looked something like that and had the deepest well.  When it was remodeled after they passed, took a lot to fill it up.
Hope LE looks everywhere.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 05:43:48 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 05:48:02 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 05:53:11 PM
Haven't seen Kona today . . . might be a little early.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 05:54:18 PM
omg, the thought of her possibly being in a well is so scary. i wonder if there is one on that property. i'm sure if there is they checked it today (i would hope)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: kalesdan on September 25, 2009, 05:55:31 PM
wow, that dilapidated farm house that they were searching is really scary looking. i wonder who owns it?

Sunshine, not sure.  Wonder if anyone lives there?  Looks like they're doing some kind of work on it, possibly.  Most of those old houses have deep wells.  The one from my great-grandparents looked something like that and had the deepest well.  When it was remodeled after they passed, took a lot to fill it up.
Hope LE looks everywhere.

According to Kiro news.
Quote
A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

I'm about 70 miles away but I haven't seen any news other than what has been posted already. Early news should start in an hour.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 05:59:35 PM
Janet - thanks for posting the update in the Haleigh thread.

WOW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 05:59:58 PM
DD

I am confused.

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings that the impending search will be based on ... what more can Sherip and the searchers accomplish than Harry Oakes to bring a conclusion to the Lindsey Baum case?

When Harry Oakes findings revealed in his report is considered ... findings the impending search is based on ... to avoid any misunderstandings ... would it not make sense that Harry Oakes accompanies Sherip and the searchers?

Janet


what impending search is based on.... I am giving information to Sherip which has to do with what I know.  We are not talking about HO's report.  I have other info which just so happens to coincide with his info, but the location I have is not from his info.  It is from MY info.

My misunderstanding.  I apologize.

Janet




No problem at all tomika... I know how this is all so confusing, but it is to the point now it won't be much longer. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
wow, that dilapidated farm house that they were searching is really scary looking. i wonder who owns it?

Sunshine, not sure.  Wonder if anyone lives there?  Looks like they're doing some kind of work on it, possibly.  Most of those old houses have deep wells.  The one from my great-grandparents looked something like that and had the deepest well.  When it was remodeled after they passed, took a lot to fill it up.
Hope LE looks everywhere.

According to Kiro news.
Quote
A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

I'm about 70 miles away but I haven't seen any news other than what has been posted already. Early news should start in an hour.

thanks, I keep forgetting about the time difference.
yes, glad to know family of four cooperating, although it seems odd about the protective clothing, which generally can mean collecting evidence.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 06:00:36 PM


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Thanks Sister.

Janet
Wow, I've been mostly reading, but I pray a conclusion comes soon, thanks everyone for updates  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 06:01:37 PM
Doubledecker? I think that clears the edits you requested in your posts for the originals and quotes.

thank you so much, I went back and read what I said and knew that was going to get copied all over heck and back and become a horrible misunderstanding.  I really appreciate your fixing that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 06:03:04 PM
http://www.komonews.com/

(http://media.komonews.com/images/320*240/090925_lindsey_baum_search4.jpg)


Video of the scene:



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: kalesdan on September 25, 2009, 06:05:35 PM
wow, that dilapidated farm house that they were searching is really scary looking. i wonder who owns it?

Sunshine, not sure.  Wonder if anyone lives there?  Looks like they're doing some kind of work on it, possibly.  Most of those old houses have deep wells.  The one from my great-grandparents looked something like that and had the deepest well.  When it was remodeled after they passed, took a lot to fill it up.
Hope LE looks everywhere.


According to Kiro news.
Quote
A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

I'm about 70 miles away but I haven't seen any news other than what has been posted already. Early news should start in an hour.

thanks, I keep forgetting about the time difference.
yes, glad to know family of four cooperating, although it seems odd about the protective clothing, which generally can mean collecting evidence.

My first thought with the protective clothing was Meth Lab- but evidence makes sense as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
omg, the thought of her possibly being in a well is so scary. i wonder if there is one on that property. i'm sure if there is they checked it today (i would hope)

Sunshine, I doubt they have city water/sewer, so yes, properties have wells.  Some very deep, like 60 feet or more, some not so deep, just enough to live in a dwelling. 
You are right, very scary!  This is making me very sad.  I have been praying for a miracle.
::MonkeyTears::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 06:08:30 PM
Thanks so much for the pictures  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:08:42 PM
http://www.komonews.com/

(http://media.komonews.com/images/320*240/090925_lindsey_baum_search4.jpg)


Video of the scene:

<object height="264" width="320"><param name="movie" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" value="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=61504822" /><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always" /><param name="wmode" value="transparent" /><param name="AllowFullScreen" value="true" /><embed type="application/x-shockwave-flash" src="http://www.komonews.com/v/?i=61504822" AllowFullScreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" height="264" wmode="transparent" width="320"></embed></object>

Thanks Klaas

My prayer is that Lindsey will be found and ... justice will prevail.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
I'm not sure how meth-lab is dismantled, only what I see on tv which means nothing in reality.  But you could be right as well or maybe both.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on September 25, 2009, 06:14:48 PM
Thanks so much for the pictures  ::MonkeyNoNo::

Yes,thanks


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 06:14:53 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.

Hi sister,
I am from California. I was hoping Kona was on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 06:17:28 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.

Hi sister,
I am from California. I was hoping Kona was on.

Hi Sebatian, saw her last night, but not today that I recall.  Hope she makes it here and fills us in on what's happening as sometimes the news . . . well, you know!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:20:15 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.

Hi sister,
I am from California. I was hoping Kona was on.

I live just on the other side of the Canadian/American border ... a 3 hour drive away from Seattle without coffee stops but ... it may as well be a million miles away.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

The 5:00 PM News on KOMO/KIRO/FOX will happen in about 1 1/2 hours.  I hope there are some updates.

Janet
3:20 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 06:29:03 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 06:32:19 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked
I'm so confused about that also, and who gave the tip, just thankful there is activity.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:35:27 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked

Sunshine

Harry Oakes made it clear that it was a death scent that his canines were tracking on Beck Street.  However ... that death scent may not be that of Lindsey Baum.

Janet

+++++


Tamikosmom
Re: Beck Street
« Reply #42 on: Today at 02:49:37 PM »

Harry Oakes:
  Note: The death scent on a dead human could be from any "Dead Human" that has died in the area. Not neccessarily the missing child's scent.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=6118.40


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 06:35:44 PM
this family whos house it is has 2 children...maybe one of them said something at school that raised some red flags


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 06:36:42 PM
this family whos house it is has 2 children...maybe one of them said something at school that raised some red flags
Could very well be, wonder if Lindsey knew the kids that live there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 25, 2009, 06:37:40 PM
At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:38:33 PM
Thank you Northern Rose.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: kalesdan on September 25, 2009, 06:41:13 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.

Hi sister,
I am from California. I was hoping Kona was on.

I live just on the other side of the Canadian/American border ... a 3 hour drive away from Seattle without coffee stops but ... it may as well be a million miles away.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

The 5:00 PM News on KOMO/KIRO/FOX will happen in about 1 1/2 hours.  I hope there are some updates.

Janet
3:20 PM PT

KOMO News comes on at 4pm so in 20 minutes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 06:42:51 PM
DD, could I ask if what we are seeing with the search warrants today has anything to do with the info you have? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.

I haven't posted here much, but I did one night, and questioned the LE and SO and what they were doing, and thought the state ought to send in investigators to handle the case. I have always felt Lindsay was not far, and that a proper search had never been done. I thought out loud that a well or septic tank would be involved. I am still hoping I am wrong.   ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:45:33 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.  

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked

sunshine ... I think this is it.

Hubby and I will be leaving in a couple of hours for a dinner and movie night with friends.  Maybe when I log back on later tonight the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum case have been revealed and ... then the justice process will begin.

Janet
3:45 PM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:46:51 PM
I cannot believe how much is transpiring today. I hope they find Lindsey! Are there any locals on to give us more information?

sebastian, sherip was here earlier, but was e-mailing dd about going on a search.  So haven't seen anyone else local since.  Are you local?  I'm 3000 miles away, depending on how the crow flies.

Hi sister,
I am from California. I was hoping Kona was on.

I live just on the other side of the Canadian/American border ... a 3 hour drive away from Seattle without coffee stops but ... it may as well be a million miles away.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

The 5:00 PM News on KOMO/KIRO/FOX will happen in about 1 1/2 hours.  I hope there are some updates.

Janet
3:20 PM PT

KOMO News comes on at 4pm so in 20 minutes

Thanks kalesdan.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.  

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked

sunshine ... I think this is it.

Hubby and I will be leaving in a couple of hours for a dinner and movie night with friends.  Maybe when I log back on later tonight the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum case have been revealed and ... then the justice process will begin.

Janet
3:45 PM PT



O/T Did you and Hubby have to pay for tonight?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 06:57:16 PM
I feel justice is about to happen.  My prayers for all!
 ::MonkeyJustice::
Can't believe the Cantu case has been delayed for a trial date until December!
 :smt021 :smt021 :smt021 :smt021 :smt021 :smt021 :smt021


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 06:58:59 PM
i think this must have been a credible tip if they were out there collecting evidence in those suits.  

i'm just confused if this house is in the opposite direction of beck street, where lb's scent was tracked

sunshine ... I think this is it.

Hubby and I will be leaving in a couple of hours for a dinner and movie night with friends.  Maybe when I log back on later tonight the truth encompassing the disappearance of Lindsey Baum case have been revealed and ... then the justice process will begin.

Janet
3:45 PM PT



O/T Did you and Hubby have to pay for tonight?

YUP!  The evening is going to cost us $100.00+.  We lost that game of Scrabble big time.

Next week there will be another match.  Rather that Scripture reading each evening ... the Scrabble dictionary is where it is at.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 25, 2009, 07:00:54 PM
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009


A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 07:00:56 PM
I wonder if that dilapidated house has a basement?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: kalesdan on September 25, 2009, 07:04:03 PM
http://www.komonews.com/

streaming live newscast now- so far only a small blip at the start of the broadcast.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 25, 2009, 07:08:35 PM
What a day. Seems like we all can disagree but still come together when the case seems to be heading a certain way.  ::MonkeyWaa::

Lets pray they find Lindsey, either way she needs to come home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: cartfly on September 25, 2009, 07:20:44 PM
Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 12:54 pm PDT September 25, 2009


A tip helped investigators develop information that led to the warrant, investigators told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reporter Richard Thompson.

The search warrant includes items such as hair, fibers and clothing Lindsey was last wearing -- anything that could lead investigators to her whereabouts, officials told Thompson.

A family of four lives at the property where the warrant was served. The family is being questioned and is being cooperative.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Any info on how old the children are in this home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Girlzrock on September 25, 2009, 07:27:42 PM
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 25, 2009, 07:44:27 PM
Not sure if this has been posted:

http://**/articles/2009/09/25/local_news/doc4abd00e90348c403452968.txt

Deputies acting on “credible” tip
By Jacob Jones & Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Friday, September 25, 2009 3:28 PM PDT

 McCLEARY — Law enforcement officials began serving search warrants in the McCleary area this morning after “credible information” emerged that may help investigators locate Lindsey Baum, the 11-year-old McCleary girl who disappeared three months ago Saturday.

“Credible information has been developed that there are locations in the McCleary area that may contain evidence that may assist investigators in locating Lindsey Baum,” Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office read from a statement this morning. “This activity is expected through the weekend. Due to the sensitive nature of the investigation and to reduce the risk of compromise, no further details of the current investigative activity will be released.”

Lindsey disappeared on June 26 while walking a short distance from her friend’s house to her home in McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings of her within blocks of her house, she never made it home and investigators have not yet been able to explain her disappearance.

The Sheriff’s Office, the FBI, the King County Sheriff’s Office and other regional law enforcement agencies are serving the search warrants, Shumate said.

He said that community members may notice the increased police presence today and through the weekend.

The Sheriff’s Office mobile command center has returned to McCleary, Shumate added, at least through the weekend. During the past few weeks, investigators had been working from Montesano.

“We’re just getting started with the search warrants,” Shumate said this morning. “I wish I could say more but we can’t jeopardize the investigation.”

Supporters of Baum planned to conduct a candlelight vigil Saturday to mark three months since she went missing.



The group plans to gather at 8 p.m. Saturday at the Evergreen Christian Center on Fourth Street in McCleary to offer support and share the latest news on the search.

“This candlelight vigil will mark three months since the abduction of Lindsey Baum took place,” a news release stated, “and will serve to remind us to never forget and never stop looking.”

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a blue hooded shirt, jeans and black shoes. Volunteers and investigators have repeatedly combed the small community of about 1,500 people without finding any trace of the girl. Investigators suspect she has been abducted.

Supporters had said previously that they wanted to host a new search effort next month as part of the ongoing effort to distribute information and seek any new clues.

The news release stated searches were scheduled for 9 a.m. on Oct. 2-4, with volunteers meeting at the Evergreen Christian Church. For more information on the vigil or upcoming searches, Lindsey’s family posts schedules and information at www.FindLindseyBaum.com.

Anyone who might have any information about the whereabouts of Lindsey Baum should call 1-866-915-8299 or via e-mail soadmin@co.grays-harbor.wa.us. Information may also be mailed to PO Box 305 McCleary, 98557.

The ChildSeek Network has also put up a Web site about Baum at: http://www.childseeknetwork.com/kids/Baum.htm.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 25, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
Klaas~  Check pm's please   ::bee::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 08:02:06 PM
are any locals around that might know what is goin on in mccleary?


i have plans to go out tonight but now i dont want to b/c i cant stop checking this thread!

praying that these new developments will finally uncover the truth about what happened to lindsey  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 08:05:09 PM
are any locals around that might know what is goin on in mccleary?


i have plans to go out tonight but now i dont want to b/c i cant stop checking this thread!

praying that these new developments will finally uncover the truth about what happened to lindsey  ::MonkeyAngel::
I was reading from a local on WS that there is a bit of helicopter's in the area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 25, 2009, 08:07:30 PM
WOW!!  I'm away from the computer for a short time and looks like there may be a break in the case.  Sure hope it is good.  I know the local town clown was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof last night.  Very strange in that town.  I've walked the route Lindsey took that night and have strong belief she went with someone she felt safe with.  If nothing breaks by tomorrow, I plan to walk up the ATV road HO described.  Not much of a road, I drove right by it the first time.  I  will drive up there tonight and pump the locals for what they have heard.  Sounds like there should be a lot of talk with all the action going on.  Like who's place they are searching.  mmmm.  Hope it is no one I know.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 08:12:12 PM
Klaas~  Check pm's please   ::bee::

I just did


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 08:12:26 PM
WOW!!  I'm away from the computer for a short time and looks like there may be a break in the case.  Sure hope it is good.  I know the local town clown was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof last night.  Very strange in that town.  I've walked the route Lindsey took that night and have strong belief she went with someone she felt safe with.  If nothing breaks by tomorrow, I plan to walk up the ATV road HO described.  Not much of a road, I drove right by it the first time.  I  will drive up there tonight and pump the locals for what they have heard.  Sounds like there should be a lot of talk with all the action going on.  Like who's place they are searching.  mmmm.  Hope it is no one I know.  shortcake

i know, i feel like everytime i stop posting, something breaks!  i guess we are all wondering whos house it is and if lb may have been friends w/their kids.  do you know how far this location is from where she was last seen?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 08:12:52 PM
are any locals around that might know what is goin on in mccleary?


i have plans to go out tonight but now i dont want to b/c i cant stop checking this thread!

praying that these new developments will finally uncover the truth about what happened to lindsey  ::MonkeyAngel::
I was reading from a local on WS that there is a bit of helicopter's in the area.

Might just be news helicopters, it's time for the nightly news shows.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 08:18:28 PM
please remember....whoever's house they are searching, there is more than just that person who lives there and is connected to those properties.  Just because that person is the owner or lives there, does not mean they are involved, so when you do figure out who it is, please remember this person could be in harms way if they had nothing to do with this and it is revealed who they are. 

I am never one to try to get people not to say things, but until we all know how this person is connected, lets not out them where someone will read that and maybe do harm to the person... just because of certain situations it does not mean they were involved. 

I am sure you will figure out what I am saying, as I know people are going to figure this all out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 08:24:36 PM
please remember....whoever's house they are searching, there is more than just that person who lives there and is connected to those properties.  Just because that person is the owner or lives there, does not mean they are involved, so when you do figure out who it is, please remember this person could be in harms way if they had nothing to do with this and it is revealed who they are. 

I am never one to try to get people not to say things, but until we all know how this person is connected, lets not out them where someone will read that and maybe do harm to the person... just because of certain situations it does not mean they were involved. 

I am sure you will figure out what I am saying, as I know people are going to figure this all out.
  ::MonkeyEek::  Oh my, I'm really afraid to even no   ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 08:32:49 PM
please remember....whoever's house they are searching, there is more than just that person who lives there and is connected to those properties.  Just because that person is the owner or lives there, does not mean they are involved, so when you do figure out who it is, please remember this person could be in harms way if they had nothing to do with this and it is revealed who they are. 

I am never one to try to get people not to say things, but until we all know how this person is connected, lets not out them where someone will read that and maybe do harm to the person... just because of certain situations it does not mean they were involved. 

I am sure you will figure out what I am saying, as I know people are going to figure this all out.

i agree. thank you for this post.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
please remember....whoever's house they are searching, there is more than just that person who lives there and is connected to those properties.  Just because that person is the owner or lives there, does not mean they are involved, so when you do figure out who it is, please remember this person could be in harms way if they had nothing to do with this and it is revealed who they are. 

I am never one to try to get people not to say things, but until we all know how this person is connected, lets not out them where someone will read that and maybe do harm to the person... just because of certain situations it does not mean they were involved. 

I am sure you will figure out what I am saying, as I know people are going to figure this all out.

dd, I understand what you are saying and totally agree.  I hope people have enough sense to not jump to conclusions that are not based on facts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 08:35:43 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.

dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 25, 2009, 08:44:07 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 08:46:21 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.

dd, this is very serious and assuredly is not a game.  You are so right, a person could be in grave danger for no reason other than an address.
I pray people will use common sense and not a sense of having their brief moments of fame.


thanks sister, I know you understand... and hopefully others will also.  people don't realize what is going on here.  if they figure it out, but then stop and think about who this is, you will understand, so please, think, maybe this person was trying to help, not do anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 08:49:26 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

not everyone is that tough no, I agree.  but there are some who are, who will walk up and shoot you right through the window, or just blow you away on the porch.  I am sure you know that has happened right there in mccleary... so anyway, I guess I can't stop it, so ... ugh... but... I had to try.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 08:49:35 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

Shortcake, I don't know who you are but this I do know, in every town or community there are people who dont give a darn.  Please be careful.  I really think there is a lot more going on in town than many know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 25, 2009, 08:49:46 PM
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html


theres a live one posting on the reader comments to this arct.  its only 4 small pages and an interesting read ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 08:52:34 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 09:00:24 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.

dd, it's out.  God help us!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 25, 2009, 09:00:48 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.

i am praying that whoever this is that was worried is safe and out of harms way. i have a pit in my stomach right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 25, 2009, 09:01:25 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.
if it makes you feel better, i honestly have no clue.  i just like to read reader comments.  sorry if i did something wrong. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 09:01:42 PM
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html


theres a live one posting on the reader comments to this arct.  its only 4 small pages and an interesting read ::MonkeyEek::
  ::MonkeyEek::  I'm getting scared that there is going to be some big trouble  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Shortcake, please be careful  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 09:03:07 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.

i am praying that whoever this is that was worried is safe and out of harms way. i have a pit in my stomach right now.
You and me, I guess the two of us pick up things like that, I will be honest, I have had sick feelings, like never before following all the cases I have  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 09:03:41 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.
if it makes you feel better, i honestly have no clue.  i just like to read reader comments.  sorry if i did something wrong. ::MonkeyWaa::

you did nothing wrong.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 09:03:54 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.

dd, it's out.  God help us!
I don't want info that we shouldn't have, believe me, but is someone going to get hurt or worse  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 09:12:15 PM
believe me as much as I love to research and dig up stuff, you don't see me doing it and posting it this time.  There's a reason.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 09:14:51 PM
omg... I know who this person is.  I know what is going on.  I feel so sad for them. ugh.
I know it's all going to blow up in minute as someone is going to out this person.  well I can't controll the boards, so when it comes out.. just know... I feel badly for this person.  They were worried.  And now they have good reason to be.

dd, it's out.  God help us!
I don't want info that we shouldn't have, believe me, but is someone going to get hurt or worse  ::MonkeyShocked::

NoRose, some of us knew how serious the consequences of info getting out in public has been -- that is without all of the information at one time.  I truly will be praying for the safety and well-being of some folks this night.  A little information, though factual, does not always contain the entire truth.  Unfortunately, some people in their zeal to be "right" or "in the know" will take their one little fact and assume it contains all the truth.  It is sad that egos can cause such harm, when all that was ever wanted was for Lindsey to come home.  My heart is truly breaking.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 25, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
Praying for Lindsey

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 09:37:53 PM
Praying for Lindsey

 ::MonkeyAngel::


KarmaR, do you have the picture of her in the red outfit?  It's one of my favorites, it would do my heart so good to see it.  I can't find it.  Thank you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 09:45:15 PM
Praying for Lindsey

 ::MonkeyAngel::


KarmaR, do you have the picture of her in the red outfit?  It's one of my favorites, it would do my heart so good to see it.  I can't find it.  Thank you.
Thanks Sister for your reply, and Karma for the pic of Lindsey. I guess all we can do now is hope and wait for the outcome, but it of course doesn't look good  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MuffyBee on September 25, 2009, 09:50:13 PM
Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 09:58:06 PM
Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB

A prayer in the prayer thread.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 10:00:25 PM
Double Decker,
I am getting two different stories from two different camps in McCleary. What is your email again?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 25, 2009, 10:01:32 PM
 ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 25, 2009, 10:05:54 PM
Never mind DD, I found it!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 10:11:14 PM
Please say a prayer and light a candle for Lindsey, that she will be found.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 10:19:43 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help
I'm very concerned, I have no idea what is happening, but I pray it will be alright  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 10:33:59 PM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.
Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 25, 2009, 10:38:08 PM
Never mind DD, I found it!

oh hi, what's going on.  I just realized it is you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 25, 2009, 10:46:14 PM
Let me understand this, someone gave a tip, must be a very good tip, to set up a command center, the person who gave the tip could be in danger. Is it true that the owner of the properties is a woman, she owns both?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:05:14 PM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.

Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said.

As the search continues, Melissa hopes she might finally get some answers.

"When it boils down to it, I go to bed every night without kissing my daughter goodnight and that's all I want to do," Melissa said.

She said she believes Lindsey is still alive.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 11:11:35 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 11:12:19 PM
I had a very bad deep down feeling this was a very black, secretive situation in McCleary, Wa. Tonight has only reinforced what I was feeling from the beginning. I am terrified to let my mind go where it is heading, and I pray I am very, very wrong.   ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 25, 2009, 11:15:03 PM
Listenhere 7 hours ago wrote:

Bosscat,

I could be way off base here, and maybe I'm reading this wrong, but your comment is the creepiest thing:

"Said all long would be found in my back yard, but sure as this search goes on they will find her. Maybe missed the site by 1/4 mile."

How do you know where "the site" is and that they missed it by 1/4 mile? Just wondering...

Bosscat2 5 hours ago wrote:
Frida,Sorry you feel that way law enforcemets, knows who I'AM and I tried from day 1 to give them my rot gun feelings and I'm less than a 1/4 mile from the current activity. Also yes my prays go out to the family, especially the father serving you and me.

The officer's are doing their best all I asked all along was THINK OUT SIDE OF THE BOX, as I was the one to solve a Murder in Rialto, CA after Law Enforcement worked the case for 3 yr's. Thanks but been there. They are only doing what taught at the academy and don't THINK outside of the box. Thank's Frida for your INTEREST.


Listenhere 4 hours ago wrote:
The original comment did not allude to anything psychic, just this person's recent comment and his "rot gun" feeling. The original comment said they need to look about 1/4 mile from where they have been, now this new comment says he IS 1/4 mile from the action. Odd.

Not trying to play armchair detective here, but you can surmise by other's comments who had read the original that their "gut" feelings leaned the same as mine.

And now he says he solved a case in California? I'd love to know how he had inside info on that one too.

It just seems a little too creepy....


Bosscat2 3 hours ago wrote:
Listenhere: Thanks at lease for your comments, this will be my last E/M. No I'm not a Psychic by any means. Just happened I was at the right place at the right time to hear a conversation on a Supervisor for Calif. Portland Cement killing that happened on christmas eve, blown away with a shotgun blast in front, of his daughters. I worked with the ATF for 2 yrs from being wired to going under hypnosis thank god I had an ATF officer that ignored his supervisor and went with his rot gut feeling. Yes they got a conviction and they are on death row. Put pieces of info together no matter now small and you mite be-able to put the puzzle together.

Love you critizem or not you are a part of a puzzle. NITE and good bye



http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html?ocp=3#slcgm_comments_anchor


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:18:03 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?

Klaas, not to my knowledge, but you know how quickly stuff can move from out there to in here.  I don't want to speak for dd, but that's what I know . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:20:17 PM
I had a very bad deep down feeling this was a very black, secretive situation in McCleary, Wa. Tonight has only reinforced what I was feeling from the beginning. I am terrified to let my mind go where it is heading, and I pray I am very, very wrong.   ::MonkeyAngel::

yes Fanny, do pray.  Unfortunately, it's not over yet, sorry to say.  I am just very sad.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 11:21:50 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?

Klaas, not to my knowledge, but you know how quickly stuff can move from out there to in here.  I don't want to speak for dd, but that's what I know . . .

Unfortunately once it hits the web it travels fast.  I haven't seen the info you are referring to though. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:27:10 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?

Klaas, not to my knowledge, but you know how quickly stuff can move from out there to in here.  I don't want to speak for dd, but that's what I know . . .

Unfortunately once it hits the web it travels fast.  I haven't seen the info you are referring to though. 

really, not sure if Thomas Edison would be proud or not :>)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 25, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 25, 2009, 11:37:20 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Why don't you skip posting land owners names for now.  If LE is searching there's nothing we can do to change things anyway.  No need to put someone's name out there needlessly. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 11:40:14 PM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?

Klaas, not to my knowledge, but you know how quickly stuff can move from out there to in here.  I don't want to speak for dd, but that's what I know . . .

Unfortunately once it hits the web it travels fast.  I haven't seen the info you are referring to though. 

really, not sure if Thomas Edison would be proud or not :>)

I thought Al Gore invented the internet!  ::MonkeyShocked:: ::MonkeyDevil::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 11:41:34 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Are they names we have heard before?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 11:43:29 PM
Owing to how closed the LE has been in the area, how would we ever know if the find anything?  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:45:20 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Are they names we have heard before?

Al Gore
 :2doh:
Fanny dear, just wait.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 25, 2009, 11:47:40 PM
Al Gore, I forgot!  I'm still laughing!
 :smt046 :smt031 :smt046 :smt031 :smt046 :smt031 :smt046 :smt031 :smt006


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 25, 2009, 11:49:23 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Are they names we have heard before? 

Al Gore
 :2doh:
Fanny dear, just wait.

For you, dear SISTER, I will. And for Lindsay's sake.  ::MonkeyAngel::

I was just teasing you about Al Gore.  ::MonkeyDevil2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 25, 2009, 11:52:56 PM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Are they names we have heard before?

http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html

Near the end of the report they show the road block right beside a mail box that you can see the address on.  From there it is pretty easy to figure out from the Grays Harbour parcel search where they are. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 12:13:04 AM
well, the inevitible happened ugh...

this is going to be a nightmare
people keep in mind this person might have been trying to help

It didn't happen here did it?

no, not here, ws


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 26, 2009, 12:15:20 AM
Well, do I have to register at WS to figure out what the hell the big mystery of who this is?  It will be all over the news tonight or tomorrow anyway. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 12:17:54 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 26, 2009, 12:18:48 AM
Well, do I have to register at WS to figure out what the hell the big mystery of who this is?  It will be all over the news tonight or tomorrow anyway. 

Well, I guess everyone has gone to WS to read.  I just hate all this cloak and dagger stuff. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 26, 2009, 12:19:55 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.

I assume it is the one that had some info that she shared some time ago with you, and then called police, and then disappeared.  Correct?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 12:22:06 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.

Thanks DD.  I can no longer read most of WS as Tricia decided I wasn't worthy of her site.  I had been a member there since before Scared Monkeys even existed until Tricia decided to ban me.  I have to say I really haven't missed WS.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 12:23:38 AM
Well, do I have to register at WS to figure out what the hell the big mystery of who this is?  It will be all over the news tonight or tomorrow anyway. 

Well, I guess everyone has gone to WS to read.  I just hate all this cloak and dagger stuff. 

AZ, I don't go to WS because very often it's just a big throw down.  I don't think this is cloak and dagger, but that's just me and I could be wrong.  I am genuinely concerned for some people.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 12:27:23 AM
::weight lifted of a monkey::  thought i had done something wrong...still ::MonkeyWaa::
Lindsey needs to be home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 12:29:50 AM
::weight lifted off a monkey::  thought i had done something wrong...still ::MonkeyWaa::
Lindsey needs to be home.

 ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 12:34:20 AM
::weight lifted off a monkey::  thought i had done something wrong...still ::MonkeyWaa::
Lindsey needs to be home.

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Mama, I told you you did nothing wrong.
Yes, Lindsey needs to come home.
NOW


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 12:37:17 AM
i have to have a grain of hope here in local le.  if it was a poster and they were trying to help i (for the sake of sanity) believe that le knows this.  from the video i watched le does realize that these people were (hopefully) not involved, but may have some info.  as far as their safety is conserned,  i have to have faith that le realizes that this could be an issue. ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 12:45:50 AM
cohenkomo

in McCleary. Keeping eye on sheriffs. Theyre guarding properties theyre searching in Lindsey Baum case. No arrests yet tonight. Stay tuned.

http://twitter.com/cohenkomo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 26, 2009, 12:56:08 AM
cohenkomo

in McCleary. Keeping eye on sheriffs. Theyre guarding properties theyre searching in Lindsey Baum case. No arrests yet tonight. Stay tuned.

http://twitter.com/cohenkomo

I think one of the video's said they would have guards posted tonight and would be returning to search more tomorrow.  Poor MB...I sure she will have no rest tonight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 01:02:23 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.

I assume it is the one that had some info that she shared some time ago with you, and then called police, and then disappeared.  Correct?

no this person shared nothing with me. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 01:09:14 AM
cohenkomo

in McCleary. Keeping eye on sheriffs. Theyre guarding properties theyre searching in Lindsey Baum case. No arrests yet tonight. Stay tuned.

http://twitter.com/cohenkomo

I think one of the video's said they would have guards posted tonight and would be returning to search more tomorrow.  Poor MB...I sure she will have no rest tonight.

AZ, but I pray they are finally closer to resolving this.  It's been so long.  My prayer to MB as well.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 01:12:05 AM
(http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5790.0;attach=9313;image)
LINDSEY BAUM
MCCLEARY, WA
MISSING SINCE JUNE 26, 2009



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:18:01 AM
Hi Monkeys

I just gone home from an evening out.

Are there any updates.

Thanks

Janet
11:20 PMPT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 02:22:47 AM
is it xxxxx or xxxxx

regardless..my prayers are with everyone


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:27:03 AM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:28:50 AM
http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said.

As the search continues, Melissa hopes she might finally get some answers.

"When it boils down to it, I go to bed every night without kissing my daughter goodnight and that's all I want to do," Melissa said.

She said she believes Lindsey is still alive.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:30:19 AM
I had a very bad deep down feeling this was a very black, secretive situation in McCleary, Wa. Tonight has only reinforced what I was feeling from the beginning. I am terrified to let my mind go where it is heading, and I pray I am very, very wrong.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I feel the very same Fanny Mae.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:34:22 AM
Well, do I have to register at WS to figure out what the hell the big mystery of who this is?  It will be all over the news tonight or tomorrow anyway. 

I agree.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:39:18 AM
Tamikosmom, Sister, chi-monkey, MelissaMcCann and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

11:40 PM PT



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 02:41:08 AM
 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:47:11 AM


http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html

Near the end of the report they show the road block right beside a mail box that you can see the address on.  From there it is pretty easy to figure out from the Grays Harbour parcel search where they are. 

BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:47:52 AM
::MonkeyBike::

 ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 02:51:42 AM
Klaas,

I am confused whether we are supposed to post information that may "out" this person or not?  I have been checking land owners on Grays Harbor County Parcel Database and do not know if I should post what I have found or not.     ::MonkeyConfused::


Why don't you skip posting land owners names for now.  If LE is searching there's nothing we can do to change things anyway.  No need to put someone's name out there needlessly.  

 ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike:: ::MonkeyBike::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 03:16:27 AM
Well, do I have to register at WS to figure out what the hell the big mystery of who this is?  It will be all over the news tonight or tomorrow anyway. 

Well, I guess everyone has gone to WS to read.  I just hate all this cloak and dagger stuff. 

I cannot comprehend why the name of owner of the properties currently being searched in relation to the Lindsey Baum case is not being revealed on the SM forum when ... Jim Mullin was not given a pass when the creek on his property was searched.

What is the diffrence?

Janet

+++++

Jim Mullin Creek Searched 6 Times & Info

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5606.0




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 03:57:37 AM
okay I will explain this once and then I won't say anymore about it.

the difference is this. 

Jim mullins nor others in that situation were not on the net trying to help find lindsey nor catch someone or figure out thing so people would know.  This poster was. 
do you want to get this person shot.  Believe me, there are people in mccleary who will do just that if they find out the person was on here and reads some of their posts.  They were telling a whole heck of a lot of info about people they have to live there with. 

so that is the difference, and that is why.  I just don't want some local to read what a poster posted and then another post down someone posts who that poster is.  We end up with someone in a very dangerous situation.. you want someone to get killed for trying to help. 

gee, I would hope after all I have done to try to help if I co-owned some property that ended up getting searched because someone might have been at my ABANDONED house, that you all would not want me shot if it turns out I know the person responisble or I said something that might have got someone in trouble. 

I just don't want this person retaliated againt.  they were trying to help.

Seriously, that is the ONLY reason I even care.  This person just does not deserve that. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: linds1980 on September 26, 2009, 05:59:55 AM
http://**/articles/2009/09/26/local_news/doc4abdbd6c4bd9d067665240.txt

Investigators step up search after tip

By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Investigators spent hours combing through junk cars and exploring a vacant house on a large swath of land outside McCleary city limits Friday, all in the search for more clues in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Three months ago today, Baum disappeared just a few blocks away from her home near downtown McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings within blocks of her house, no trace of her has been found.

It is the first major action since police investigators stopped combing woods, swamps and grasslands in search of Baum several weeks ago. But the investigation has never ended, according to Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office, who stressed that “new credible information” had emerged, leading to a number of search warrants being executed Friday.

The King County Sheriff’s Office loaned the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office their mobile command post along with a few deputies to conduct the intensive search, which continues through the rest of the weekend. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies are also

involved.

Foreman and Old Sand Creek roads outside McCleary were blocked off Friday by a deputy sheriff, who was checking licenses to make sure only local residents could access the route.

But the search brought television news cameras and helicopters back to

McCleary.
 

 


Helicopter footage from KOMO 4 showed investigators in white protective gear entering and exiting an abandoned house south of McCleary. The home and a nearby barn or shed, covered in blue tarps, is surrounded by brush and trees in each direction.

Investigators loaded boxes full of belongings into a horse trailer that looked like it was being used for

evidence.

The mobile command center was set up in a second residence surrounded by junk cars, according to the video posted online by KOMO.

KOMO 4 reported that the people living in the house on the outskirts of town were asked to leave after receiving a search warrant.

Shumate said detectives interviewed some people Friday, but declined to go into details and didn’t name anyone as a suspect or person of interest.

Grays Harbor Prosecutor Stew Menefee declined to release the search warrants to the public, but said the records will become public within five days of being

executed.

Shumate said investigators spent Friday gathering small items — fibers, hair  — and larger items, just about anything that could give them a hint as to where Baum could be. He declined to say why they were searching the house or junk cars, except to say that the locations “may contain evidence that may assist investigators in locating Lindsey Baum.”

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a blue hooded shirt, jeans and black shoes.

Volunteers and investigators have combed inside and outside the city limits for months looking for evidence of Baum.

Supporters of Baum planned to conduct a candlelight vigil tonight to mark three months since she went missing.

The group will gather at 8 p.m. at the Evergreen Christian Center on Fourth Street in McCleary to offer support and share the latest news on the search.

Steven Friederich, a Daily World writer, can be reached at (360) 537-3927 or by e-mail at sfriederich@thedailyworld.com


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 08:08:33 AM
Praying for Lindsey

 ::MonkeyAngel::


KarmaR, do you have the picture of her in the red outfit?  It's one of my favorites, it would do my heart so good to see it.  I can't find it.  Thank you.
Sorry Sister,I had to log off so quickly last night but here is her picture in case it's not posted yet.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 08:22:05 AM


http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html

Near the end of the report they show the road block right beside a mail box that you can see the address on.  From there it is pretty easy to figure out from the Grays Harbour parcel search where they are. 

BUMPED
I can't get the video at Kiro to play but I think I know whose property this is and what poster some are talking about.
All in good time I guess,you all have a good saturday and keep praying they find Lindsey this weekend.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on September 26, 2009, 09:15:28 AM
Good Morning Monkeys -

Just checking up on Lindsey . . .

I imagine we all distinctly remember the person who came on for 3 days here at the end of Aug. as a newbie, causing a commotion & getting banned (see pages 1-2 of this thread). Their initial post/comment suggested searching a vacant foreclosed home & acreage outside of McCleary towards Olympia; this person knew the (former) owner's name (a real estate agent) & quite a bit about them. They also stated that they had given their concerns/info about this property to LE . . . but this was a month ago . . . ?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 09:25:57 AM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

this post?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 09:40:48 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 09:42:15 AM
I had a very bad deep down feeling this was a very black, secretive situation in McCleary, Wa. Tonight has only reinforced what I was feeling from the beginning. I am terrified to let my mind go where it is heading, and I pray I am very, very wrong.   ::MonkeyAngel::

I feel the very same Fanny Mae.

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Janet
Me too  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on September 26, 2009, 09:48:22 AM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

this post?
Good morning sunshine - LOL!

That was the very first post, yes; if you continue reading through Aug, 29th, you will see how it all escalated. Don't know if we all ever did discern just exactly who this poster was, how they knew of this info, or just how credible it all was. I do not know if this is even the property LE is now searching; I just remember that it was one of many disruptive events here on Lindsey's thread . . .


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 09:53:45 AM
Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?
It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....

this post?
Good morning sunshine - LOL!

That was the very first post, yes; if you continue reading through Aug, 29th, you will see how it all escalated. Don't know if we all ever did discern just exactly who this poster was, how they knew of this info, or just how credible it all was. I do not know if this is even the property LE is now searching; I just remember that it was one of many disruptive events here on Lindsey's thread . . .
I remember that  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 09:55:23 AM
tams-

 yes i do remember that ..i believe the poster said they lived in california now.

if this information they gave was true i wonder why it took the police and fbi so long to search this area. i'm guessing maybe it took them awhile to have enough probable cause to secure the search warrants.

praying for the lb and her family, and also for the two children who live on this property and their parents. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 09:59:57 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::
just have faith no rose.  its really all we have right now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 10:05:55 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::
just have faith no rose.  its really all we have right now.
Yes, you are right. I went to look on two other forums, I don't see any names being thrown around, or the name of the property owner. But, on one of the forums, there is a lot of bickering going on with one local  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::
just have faith no rose.  its really all we have right now.
Yes, you are right. I went to look on two other forums, I don't see any names being thrown around, or the name of the property owner. But, on one of the forums, there is a lot of bickering going on with one local  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, i believe we were reading in the same place. someone who's posts i find extremely antagonizing on ws pretty much let slip the poster they think it is on the insessions board. i'm thankful for the posters on insessions who put this person in their place as i believe it was extremely disrespectful.  people that try to think they are better than other posters because they believe they are the only ones with inside information really irks me... okay, im gonna step off of my soapbox now.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


i wonder what type of evidence they found at this place or were expecting to find? and im trying to wrap my head around how all of this is connected and harry oakes' tracking dogs.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 10:22:10 AM
http://**/articles/2009/09/26/local_news/doc4abdbd6c4bd9d067665240.txt

Investigators step up search after tip

By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Investigators spent hours combing through junk cars and exploring a vacant house on a large swath of land outside McCleary city limits Friday, all in the search for more clues in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Three months ago today, Baum disappeared just a few blocks away from her home near downtown McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings within blocks of her house, no trace of her has been found.

It is the first major action since police investigators stopped combing woods, swamps and grasslands in search of Baum several weeks ago. But the investigation has never ended, according to Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office, who stressed that “new credible information” had emerged, leading to a number of search warrants being executed Friday.

The King County Sheriff’s Office loaned the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office their mobile command post along with a few deputies to conduct the intensive search, which continues through the rest of the weekend. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies are also

involved.

Foreman and Old Sand Creek roads outside McCleary were blocked off Friday by a deputy sheriff, who was checking licenses to make sure only local residents could access the route.

But the search brought television news cameras and helicopters back to

McCleary.
 

 


Helicopter footage from KOMO 4 showed investigators in white protective gear entering and exiting an abandoned house south of McCleary. The home and a nearby barn or shed, covered in blue tarps, is surrounded by brush and trees in each direction.

Investigators loaded boxes full of belongings into a horse trailer that looked like it was being used for

evidence.

The mobile command center was set up in a second residence surrounded by junk cars, according to the video posted online by KOMO.

KOMO 4 reported that the people living in the house on the outskirts of town were asked to leave after receiving a search warrant.

Shumate said detectives interviewed some people Friday, but declined to go into details and didn’t name anyone as a suspect or person of interest.

Grays Harbor Prosecutor Stew Menefee declined to release the search warrants to the public, but said the records will become public within five days of being

executed.


Shumate said investigators spent Friday gathering small items — fibers, hair  — and larger items, just about anything that could give them a hint as to where Baum could be. He declined to say why they were searching the house or junk cars, except to say that the locations “may contain evidence that may assist investigators in locating Lindsey Baum.”

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a blue hooded shirt, jeans and black shoes.

Volunteers and investigators have combed inside and outside the city limits for months looking for evidence of Baum.

Supporters of Baum planned to conduct a candlelight vigil tonight to mark three months since she went missing.

The group will gather at 8 p.m. at the Evergreen Christian Center on Fourth Street in McCleary to offer support and share the latest news on the search.

Steven Friederich, a Daily World writer, can be reached at (360) 537-3927 or by e-mail at sfriederich@thedailyworld.com


The warrants are public in 5 days.  I had a longer message written which I am not going to post.  I will just say that I hope they find Lindsey and will now jump back into the rafters.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 10:30:28 AM
Tamikosmom, Sister, chi-monkey, MelissaMcCann and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

11:40 PM PT



I did not realize until last night that Melissa McCann was a Monkey.

Janet

++++++


Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 10:42:02 AM
I'm reading and putting together in my head  ::MonkeyRoll:: and I think that a person whose name has come up here before, will come up again, but certainly with a different emphasis. And yes Sunshine IS board that was what I was talking about.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 11:00:14 AM
I'm reading and putting together in my head  ::MonkeyRoll:: and I think that a person whose name has come up here before, will come up again, but certainly with a different emphasis. And yes Sunshine IS board that was what I was talking about.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, i agree nrcg.

there are just too many coincidences about this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 26, 2009, 11:02:20 AM
Tamikosmom, Sister, chi-monkey, MelissaMcCann and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

11:40 PM PT



I did not realize until last night that Melissa McCann was a Monkey.

Janet

++++++


Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....


Hi Janet,  I believe that both Melissa and Mark Duncan are monkeys.  They came on to explain some of the posting by cluemaster, that was accusing them of involvement, or potential involvement. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:02:41 AM
I'm reading and putting together in my head  ::MonkeyRoll:: and I think that a person whose name has come up here before, will come up again, but certainly with a different emphasis. And yes Sunshine IS board that was what I was talking about.  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, i agree nrcg.

there are just too many coincidences about this
And I sure don't like what I'm thinking  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tams on September 26, 2009, 11:06:22 AM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::
just have faith no rose.  its really all we have right now.
Yes, you are right. I went to look on two other forums, I don't see any names being thrown around, or the name of the property owner. But, on one of the forums, there is a lot of bickering going on with one local  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, i believe we were reading in the same place. someone who's posts i find extremely antagonizing on ws pretty much let slip the poster they think it is on the insessions board. i'm thankful for the posters on insessions who put this person in their place as i believe it was extremely disrespectful.  people that try to think they are better than other posters because they believe they are the only ones with inside information really irks me... okay, im gonna step off of my soapbox now..
 ::MonkeyNoNo::

i wonder what type of evidence they found at this place or were expecting to find? and im trying to wrap my head around how all of this is connected and harry oakes' tracking dogs.

Is this connected to HO's tracking dogs . . . ? I am confused on that as well.

Re: Bolded statement above - you are not alone in your feelings. The constant bickering, taking over the thread with long posts that felt like taunts of supposed superior/inside information . . . just kept fast-forwarding past all of the "irksome" stuff, hoping to see good news about little miss Lindsey . . . that's the ONLY thing that matters. Anywhooooo...............

Hope it was not out of line to mention this morning about the poster on pages 1-2 & the information they dumped . . .

. . . Still hoping for news about Lindsey that will put all of this to rest.

Also - Good Morning Rosie & fellow monkeys!   :2waver:


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 11:07:02 AM
Tamikosmom, Sister, chi-monkey, MelissaMcCann and 4 Guests are viewing this topic.

11:40 PM PT



I did not realize until last night that Melissa McCann was a Monkey.

Janet

++++++


Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....


Hi Janet,  I believe that both Melissa and Mark Duncan are monkeys.  They came on to explain some of the posting by cluemaster, that was accusing them of involvement, or potential involvement. 

Thanks AZSunny

I have just finished reading Melissa McCann's posts.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 11:12:23 AM
Search warrants issued in Lindsey Baum case
http://www.komonews.com/news/61475637.html?video=YHI&t=a


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 11:17:52 AM
No major discoveries in new search for McCleary girl
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: trimmonthelake on September 26, 2009, 11:18:57 AM
Thanks,NorthernRose.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 11:28:10 AM
MELISSA MCCANN - MARK DUNCAN - CLUEMASTER

I just scanned over their posts of each of the above Monkeys.  I had never read the dialogue.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

We were on a mini vacation at the end of August/beginning of September and ... considering the status quo of the Lindsey Baum case ... I never bothered to read back when I logged back in.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 11:30:16 AM
No major discoveries in new search for McCleary girl
http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092509WAB-missing-mccleary-girl-KS.1b5660aae.html

Thanks for the updates Northern Rose.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:37:26 AM
MELISSA MCCANN - MARK DUNCAN - CLUEMASTER

I just scanned over their posts of each of the above Monkeys.  I had never read the dialogue.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

We were on a mini vacation at the end of August/beginning of September and ... considering the status quo of the Lindsey Baum case ... I never bothered to read back when I logged back in.

Janet


Yes, Janet, and frankly I'm not sure what to think  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:38:04 AM
Thanks,NorthernRose.   
   ::MonkeyCool:: Yes, thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 11:41:55 AM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

no rose colored glasses

What is the highlighted words all about?

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:47:58 AM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

no rose colored glasses

What is the highlighted words all about?

Thanks

Janet
I saw that on another forum last night and brought it here to see if anyone else heard this. Someone else here bolded it in red, because I don't know how.  ::MonkeyConfused::  I was just curious if anyone else knew about that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 11:53:06 AM
MELISSA MCCANN - MARK DUNCAN - CLUEMASTER

I just scanned over their posts of each of the above Monkeys.  I had never read the dialogue.

 ::MonkeyShocked::

We were on a mini vacation at the end of August/beginning of September and ... considering the status quo of the Lindsey Baum case ... I never bothered to read back when I logged back in.

Janet


Yes, Janet, and frankly I'm not sure what to think  ::MonkeyShocked::


if i was reading correctly i guess mark duncan used to own the property that the warrant was served for before it was foreclosed? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 12:03:44 PM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

no rose colored glasses

What is the highlighted words all about?

Thanks

Janet
I saw that on another forum last night and brought it here to see if anyone else heard this. Someone else here bolded it in red, because I don't know how.  ::MonkeyConfused::  I was just curious if anyone else knew about that.

It was me who highlighted that segment of your post as it was the segment I was responding to.

no rose colored glasses ... was there a dialogue encompassing this issue.  I seldom read the other forum ... never if I am required to register.

Thanks

Janet

Janet

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 12:09:58 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 12:13:29 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.

I gave up coffee a while back and ... the cobwebs take forever to clear.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

no rose colored glasses ... this is huge if true.

Have a good day hon.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 12:19:00 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.

I gave up coffee a while back and ... the cobwebs take forever to clear.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

no rose colored glasses ... this is huge if true.

Have a good day hon.

Janet


I went back over there to see if there was a link, anything to back this up, there is not. Again, this is way strange to me if true, why after all those months would tape still be up? One of the comments was that Lindsey's dog still goes into her room, so in order I would think to state that, you would either know the family or have seen a video or an article. But there is a lot of bickering over on that site, and I get upset, but later I will see again if there is something new. You have a good day also, my dad is visiting us from Wisconsin, and I have to take him to Walmart so I will be in and out. But my mind will be on this case and Haleighs  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 12:30:27 PM
Continued prayer for LE, the searchers, Melissa Baum and family, and all those who are seeking justice for Lindsey.
May today be the day she is brought home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 12:40:24 PM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

no rose colored glasses

What is the highlighted words all about?

Thanks

Janet

http://www.komonews.com/news/61475637.html?video=YHI&t=a

Starts at 0.26 time of this interview - MB is the one who talks about it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 12:42:40 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.

I gave up coffee a while back and ... the cobwebs take forever to clear.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

no rose colored glasses ... this is huge if true.

Have a good day hon.

Janet


I went back over there to see if there was a link, anything to back this up, there is not. Again, this is way strange to me if true, why after all those months would tape still be up? One of the comments was that Lindsey's dog still goes into her room, so in order I would think to state that, you would either know the family or have seen a video or an article. But there is a lot of bickering over on that site, and I get upset, but later I will see again if there is something new. You have a good day also, my dad is visiting us from Wisconsin, and I have to take him to Walmart so I will be in and out. But my mind will be on this case and Haleighs  ::MonkeyAngel::

No Rose - it is in the interview with MB that I just posted the link to again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 12:53:08 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.

I gave up coffee a while back and ... the cobwebs take forever to clear.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

no rose colored glasses ... this is huge if true.

Have a good day hon.

Janet


I went back over there to see if there was a link, anything to back this up, there is not. Again, this is way strange to me if true, why after all those months would tape still be up? One of the comments was that Lindsey's dog still goes into her room, so in order I would think to state that, you would either know the family or have seen a video or an article. But there is a lot of bickering over on that site, and I get upset, but later I will see again if there is something new. You have a good day also, my dad is visiting us from Wisconsin, and I have to take him to Walmart so I will be in and out. But my mind will be on this case and Haleighs  ::MonkeyAngel::

no rose colored glasses

If true ... it is the timing in regards to the current search that has had this wannabe detective speculating but ... considering the media has yet to pick up on this ... maybe it is a rumor.

I am off to join the world outside the computer room for a while but ... it is my prayer that when I return there will be updates ... updates which imply that the Lindsey Baum  case has come to place that justice will be given an opportunity to prevail.

Janet
9:50 AM PT

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 26, 2009, 12:56:29 PM
it is already out... everyone over there knows.  they searched the house of a poster.
and yes they were posting here as well.
Dear God, I just woke up, I feel ill  ::MonkeyEek::
just have faith no rose.  its really all we have right now.
Yes, you are right. I went to look on two other forums, I don't see any names being thrown around, or the name of the property owner. But, on one of the forums, there is a lot of bickering going on with one local  ::MonkeyNoNo::

yes, i believe we were reading in the same place. someone who's posts i find extremely antagonizing on ws pretty much let slip the poster they think it is on the insessions board. i'm thankful for the posters on insessions who put this person in their place as i believe it was extremely disrespectful.  people that try to think they are better than other posters because they believe they are the only ones with inside information really irks me... okay, im gonna step off of my soapbox now.. ::MonkeyNoNo::


i wonder what type of evidence they found at this place or were expecting to find? and im trying to wrap my head around how all of this is connected and harry oakes' tracking dogs.



Hello, long-time lurker.... I just had to post to say that I have a very weird feeling about all this and a heavy heart.  I too also found the local at WS very controlling  and intimidating.  What's more, I had taken note of derogatory posts about DD (who I respect greatly)and others here she has made in the past.  Also, I noted how she would poke fun at some information/sleuthing that was generated  here and effectively shut down discussion there.  Then last night I saw the very first post she made at another forum (IS) after the events yesterday was to slam DD about her requested search was in the wrong direction as the search warrant sites.  She then pointedly asked other members if 1/2 posters had been heard from on their board yesterday.  At this point, another poster called her out and said she was lying?!   What is going on here??  From the beginning of Lindsey's disappearance, this has been an unusually dark, secretive, scary case and town. 

I hope to God that she is found soon and my prayers are with her, her family, this strange little town, and all of us who care.  Back to lurkdom.  Thanks for listening to me


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 12:56:52 PM
I just saw this little bit on another forum, please anyone if you know is this true?     According to video, both properties owned by same woman. Lindsey's room still taped off with crime scene tape.  Please, why would Lindsey's room still be taped off with crime scene tape, I'm very confused by this if this is true  ::MonkeyNoNo::

 ::MonkeyShocked::

no rose colored glasses

What is the highlighted words all about?

Thanks

Janet

http://www.komonews.com/news/61475637.html?video=YHI&t=a

Starts at 0.26 time of this interview - MB is the one who talks about it.

Thank you Northern Rose.  Thank you no rose colored glasses.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 01:17:38 PM
I could not access the text version of the following article but ... according to the print version ... the crime tape across Lindsey's door has been there from the getgo.  In other words ... not necessarily connected to the latest search.

Janet

++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 01:43:39 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 01:54:58 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!



Unfortunately, when people are left to GUESS who's property is being searched that is what happens.  As far as posts being deleted from SM, we have been specifically asked to keep the Lindsey Baum threads intact by LE.  Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions and that includes things they post on the internet for all to see.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 01:57:15 PM
 Northern Rose thank-you.  Madre, I totally agree with you and I also was reading on the forums you were discussing  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 02:12:04 PM
I understand that, just making a point. Each person who owns these posting sites has the power to do whatever they want with the posts. I noticed on WS the posts saying Kona's name have been deleted.  She has the right to come on here just like I did and clear things up.  I hope for the best regarding the search and I hope that everyone just refrains from saying bad things about her until the search is done.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:18:24 PM

So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!



Melissa ... as far as I know nobody on this forum has identified the property currently being searched as belonging to you or Mark Duncan.

If I am reading the map correctly and ... Mark Duncan's property is located on N. Summit Road as indicated by Cluemaster ... the implication is that the curtent search is being conducted on the other side of McCleary.

When the location of Harry Oakes canine search in regards to Beck Street is considered ... in the process of elimination ... was Mark Duncan's property searched by investigators in the Lindsey Baum case.  I noticed that N. Summit Road intersects with Beck.

Melissa ... it is my prayer that today's events will bring closure and ... the justice process can begin.

Janet

+++++++

 

Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....



DD's map of Beck street(found in the maps and photos thread)resized by NewsJunkie.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Karmamapforgizzie.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 02:23:14 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!


Unfortunately, when people are left to GUESS who's property is being searched that is what happens.  As far as posts being deleted from SM, we have been specifically asked to keep the Lindsey Baum threads intact by LE.  Everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions and that includes things they post on the internet for all to see.


Klaas, I couldn't agree with you more.  When folks just post things with no thought of any consequences, it is just sad.  I do appreciate you advice yesterday to wait about distributing some information as I believe it helped LE in the search for Lindsey.
MelissaM, I understand your frustration in all the speculation about you and your bf.  It's tough when you are trying to help and get slammed for it.  I'm not sure what you mean about Kona, I know he/she is a local, but I am guessing from your post he/she was involved in some way with the search warrants yesterday.  There are several other locals on here as well, so I'm hoping they can be the reliable source as to what is actually happening.
Madre, I agree with you about dd.  The funny thing to me (though not actually funny) is what I know about where dd wanted searchers to look is where they looked and those searchers report directly to LE and not to other forums.  It was my understanding that those associated with the LRC were not to talk about the searches at all, anywhere.  Too bad they can't follow the rules.  No wonder LE doesn't participate, if what is suppose to be not for public digestion is spread on the other forums and can undermine their work.  If LE is reading here, I'm sure they are reading there too.
Again, prayers for LE and all who seek to bring Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 26, 2009, 02:34:30 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!


MM I agree and I think I understand.  If you notice, a few locals post using their name, not a nickname.  Then everyone seems to search their background and post anything bad they can find.  Wonder how many would be so quick to post if they had to reveal their true identity?  I really feel sad for MB as she has endured much criticiam.  You see the pain when is interviewed.  So sad.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 02:34:46 PM

So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!



Melissa ... as far as I know nobody on this forum has identified the property currently being searched as belonging to you or Mark Duncan.

If I am reading the map correctly and ... Mark Duncan's property is located on N. Summit Road as indicated by Cluemaster ... the implication is that the curtent search is being conducted on the other side of McCleary.

When the location of Harry Oakes canine search in regards to Beck Street is considered ... in the process of elimination ... was Mark Duncan's property searched by investigators in the Lindsey Baum case.  I noticed that N. Summit Road intersects with Beck.

Melissa ... it is my prayer that today's events will bring closure and ... the justice process can begin.

Janet

+++++++

 

Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....



DD's map of Beck street(found in the maps and photos thread)resized by NewsJunkie.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/Karmamapforgizzie.jpg)


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You are misinformed... summit lake road is entirely different than summit rd.. summit lake is east of mccleary in olympia out hwy 8


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 02:34:49 PM
I understand that, just making a point. Each person who owns these posting sites has the power to do whatever they want with the posts. I noticed on WS the posts saying Kona's name have been deleted.  She has the right to come on here just like I did and clear things up.  I hope for the best regarding the search and I hope that everyone just refrains from saying bad things about her until the search is done.

I've see a couple of people GUESS at who's property is being searched.  YOU are one of the few HERE that are naming names.  Why are you doing that? 

WE at SM will do what is requested of us by LE.  I could care less what they have done at WS and I can't read there to verify what has been done. 

I really hope that whatever they are searching and whatever tip they got from WHOEVER they got it from brings either Lindsey home or justice.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
I understand that, just making a point. Each person who owns these posting sites has the power to do whatever they want with the posts. I noticed on WS the posts saying Kona's name have been deleted.  She has the right to come on here just like I did and clear things up.  I hope for the best regarding the search and I hope that everyone just refrains from saying bad things about her until the search is done.

I've see a couple of people GUESS at who's property is being searched.  YOU are one of the few HERE that are naming names.  Why are you doing that? 

WE at SM will do what is requested of us by LE.  I could care less what they have done at WS and I can't read there to verify what has been done. 

I really hope that whatever they are searching and whatever tip they got from WHOEVER they got it from brings either Lindsey home or justice.
Thank-you, I hope for the same  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:41:50 PM
Melissa

Considering you are a good friend of Lindsey's mother ... are you aware whether or not Josh Baum returned home following the argument ... returned home as instructed by the family friend.  In other words ... was Josh home with Mom at the time that Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence between 9:15 PM and 9:30 PM.

If it is known that Josh was home ... speculation regarding ... this young man ...  who you did not deny had agression issues ... can cease.

Thank You.

Janet

+++++


MELISSA MCCANN - JOSH BAUM


I have some questions!  Before you and MD hooked up and before MD was allowed custody he obviously must have been the better choice of two parents.  I'm curious to the amount of self education parents sought for a daughter with asbergers.  It is quite a struggle managing the physical and mental forms of this disability and also to navigate a medical world for treatment as well as goverment agencies.  This is such a rare form of of functioning autism I find it difficult to believe that MD and MB through you never had a discussion about support groups and help once the child with Asbergers enters school.  There are three support groups near McCleary that can help guide a parent.  JB has already entered the court system with his anti social fire starting and underlining aggression.  Being MB's friend she didn't confide in you (knowledge is power) her frustrations with JB because they were huge in the psychiatric world of getting a child help.  This seemed to be source of concern for Lindsey with what we know to date.  My space comments, running to the neighbors for help and calling 911.  Whoa monkey's, jump back.  Your a close friend now so I ask how mom is handeling the new school yr. for JB and pray due to his agressive, firestarting behaviors if he is in a behavior modification program and if the scholl will let him attend.  A frustrating loss may bring out even worse syptoms if not addressed.  If MB isn't in a support group I would be more than gratefull to direct her in the right and good diretion.



Mark would be the better person to address this but I will do my best as I am new to learning about aspergers. Aspergers, as most conditions affect people differently. JB and MD's daughter are as different as night and day. Also again, we just got the girls awarded to us August 25th. Prior to that they have been splitting time between their mother and us. MD and his family are from Olympia. Different cities, different schools, there really wasnt a reason to connect JB and MD's daughter. MD and his ex wife have researched aspergers, joined the different groups, fought to get an IEP, ect..  I know what MB goes through with JB and he has more issues than aspergers so we dont deal with anything that MB does. thanks for your concern regarding that but MB has been dealing with this issue for years.

Also, Mark is not the better parent but we do currently provide the best situation for the children.  The girls mom loves them wholeheartedly and we hope that her anger will not be a deterant in finding common ground when it comes to raising the girls.

regarding MB. She is doing what she can to help JB. She has the programs in place that need to be there and thank you for your concern.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 02:46:31 PM
Does anyone know what property was searched? I'm not asking for anyone to say, because of danger, but does the person who owns the property included with the family that lives there or not? Or does that person live elsewhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:48:49 PM

So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!



Melissa ... as far as I know nobody on this forum has identified the property currently being searched as belonging to you or Mark Duncan.

If I am reading the map correctly and ... Mark Duncan's property is located on N. Summit Road as indicated by Cluemaster ... the implication is that the curtent search is being conducted on the other side of McCleary.

When the location of Harry Oakes canine search in regards to Beck Street is considered ... in the process of elimination ... was Mark Duncan's property searched by investigators in the Lindsey Baum case.  I noticed that N. Summit Road intersects with Beck.

Melissa ... it is my prayer that today's events will bring closure and ... the justice process can begin.

Janet

+++++++

 

Has anyone thought of searching the vacant and foreclosed 5 acres and house at 12310 Summit Lake Road NW, which is next to the highway between Olympia and McCleary in Thurston County?

It belonged to a Mark Duncan, live-in boyfriend of Melissa McCann, who have both known Lindseys mother since attending Timberline High together in 89/90.

Just a thought.....


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[/quote

You are misinformed... summit lake road is entirely different than summit rd.. summit lake is east of mccleary in olympia out hwy 8

Melissa ... I was not misinformed ... I misunderstood the map.  I implied in my post I could be mistaken.

Where is Mark Duncan's property in relation to the property currently being searched?

Thank you.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 26, 2009, 02:49:03 PM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 02:50:14 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!


I cannot speak for everyone here, but here is MY beef with YOU. The only time that I have seen you come on to any boards to discuss Lindseys case is when you are defending yourself or Mark Duncan. You do not come on to try to help, find clues, or anything. I have heard that you have done very little to help locate Lindsey, yet you are supposed to be "her aunt". You refused helium for balloons on one of the searches. Yet, you supposedly handle the search funds. Here you pop up again to defend YOURSELF and MARK DUNCAN. I think thou does protest to much!



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 02:50:27 PM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake
Thank-you, interesting, I'm not sure what you mean about chemical removal  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 02:51:07 PM
Klaas ... mods

Could somebody please fix my last post.  I messed up somehow.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 02:51:27 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!


I cannot speak for everyone here, but here is MY beef with YOU. The only time that I have seen you come on to any boards to discuss Lindseys case is when you are defending yourself or Mark Duncan. You do not come on to try to help, find clues, or anything. I have heard that you have done very little to help locate Lindsey, yet you are supposed to be "her aunt". You refused helium for balloons on one of the searches. Yet, you supposedly handle the search funds. Here you pop up again to defend YOURSELF and MARK DUNCAN. I think thou does protest to much!

Another interesting and curious post, thank-you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 02:56:36 PM
12310 Summit Lake Road NW


(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/SummitLake.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 03:00:10 PM
Does anyone know what property was searched? I'm not asking for anyone to say, because of danger, but does the person who owns the property included with the family that lives there or not? Or does that person live elsewhere?

NoRose, from what I have gleaned from reading and listening, several search warrants of properties were issued, more may be forthcoming over the weekend.  There was a family of four (don't know if all four were questioned) who were questioned, but not held, not arrested, just questioned, and not labeled as persons of interest.  A roadblock was established yesterday and I can't find if it is still up today.  (Maybe Shortcake can answer that.) Evidence has been taken by LE from some properties.  Apparently according to the news reports and LE oral statments, more people will be questioned over the weekend and searches with warrants will continue.  To my knowledge, the folks questioned yesterday were local people and they were not held for further questioning.
That's the latest I know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:00:39 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 03:01:15 PM
Klaas ... Thanks.

Is the that property anywhere near the property currently being searched.

Thanks.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:01:49 PM
Does anyone know what property was searched? I'm not asking for anyone to say, because of danger, but does the person who owns the property included with the family that lives there or not? Or does that person live elsewhere?

NoRose, from what I have gleaned from reading and listening, several search warrants of properties were issued, more may be forthcoming over the weekend.  There was a family of four (don't know if all four were questioned) who were questioned, but not held, not arrested, just questioned, and not labeled as persons of interest.  A roadblock was established yesterday and I can't find if it is still up today.  (Maybe Shortcake can answer that.) Evidence has been taken by LE from some properties.  Apparently according to the news reports and LE oral statments, more people will be questioned over the weekend and searches with warrants will continue.  To my knowledge, the folks questioned yesterday were local people and they were not held for further questioning.
That's the latest I know.
Thank-you, I appreciate that info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 03:02:07 PM
So my beef is this:  I am involved with Lindseys search from day one, and yet me, my boyfriend mark duncan, and others have been slung through the mud and the posts about us have not been deleted. there was no protecting us from you and several of you monkeys said things that weren't nice. You didnt know me but had no problem (not all of you) running with the crap being said about us. Its a different story though when it comes to you all wanting to protect kona just because she is a regular poster.  You have no idea the damage you can do to someone who does nothing but help in this search when you sling mud at them.

The property being searched does NOT BELONG to mark duncan. Marks property that was made reference to by a poster isnt even in mccleary. its olympia. granted no far, but no relation to the property out foreman road. I am not sure how that was confused.

I was at MB's yesterday. Saw the hope and dispear in her face with all the news that came about. The best thing any of you can do at this point is pray that what they find in this search will lead to bringing lindsey home!


I cannot speak for everyone here, but here is MY beef with YOU. The only time that I have seen you come on to any boards to discuss Lindseys case is when you are defending yourself or Mark Duncan. You do not come on to try to help, find clues, or anything. I have heard that you have done very little to help locate Lindsey, yet you are supposed to be "her aunt". You refused helium for balloons on one of the searches. Yet, you supposedly handle the search funds. Here you pop up again to defend YOURSELF and MARK DUNCAN. I think thou does protest to much!

Another interesting and curious post, thank-you.

no one on this board named whos property was related to the search warrants except you.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 03:02:57 PM
my previous post was directed towards mm's post, sorry i didnt specify that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 03:03:02 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

summit lake road is not where they searched,,,, its foreman road in mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:03:46 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

summit lake road is not where they searched,,,, its foreman road in mccleary
Okay, just wondered because of the map  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 26, 2009, 03:07:41 PM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake
Thank-you, interesting, I'm not sure what you mean about chemical removal  ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the persons extracting (whatever) seem to be wearing white HazMet outfits.  Not the norm for evidence gathering.  Meth(among others) would fall under chemicals.  JMO I have no first hand knowledge.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 03:07:50 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

I'm not sure IF that is where they are searching.  The area looks similar to what I saw in videos of the recent search, but I cannot be certain. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:08:40 PM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake
Thank-you, interesting, I'm not sure what you mean about chemical removal  ::MonkeyConfused::

Well the persons extracting (whatever) seem to be wearing white HazMet outfits.  Not the norm for evidence gathering.  Meth(among others) would fall under chemicals.  JMO I have no first hand knowledge.  shortcake
Thanks  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 03:08:42 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

summit lake road is not where they searched,,,, its foreman road in mccleary

I thought they had more than one location and more than one search warrent?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

I'm not sure IF that is where they are searching.  The area looks similar to what I saw in videos of the recent search, but I cannot be certain. 

Klaas, they are searching in more than one area and will continue to do so.  Thanks for the map.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:10:02 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

I'm not sure IF that is where they are searching.  The area looks similar to what I saw in videos of the recent search, but I cannot be certain. 
Thanks, Melissa is saying they searched on Foreman Road in McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:10:31 PM
Klaas thanks for the map, so Summit Lake Road, where the A is on the map is where the police have searched?

I'm not sure IF that is where they are searching.  The area looks similar to what I saw in videos of the recent search, but I cannot be certain. 

Klaas, they are searching in more than one area and will continue to do so.  Thanks for the map.
So more then one area, thanks.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 03:13:06 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.   i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 03:16:32 PM
the media stated the roads that were being searched so i am not letting anything out of the bag,, foreman road and sand creek road and north sand creek road.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
http://**/articles/2009/09/26/local_news/doc4abdbd6c4bd9d067665240.txt

(http://**/content/articles/2009/09/26/local_news/doc4abdbd6c4bd9d067665240.jpg)

Investigators step up search after tip

By Steven Friederich
The Daily World

Saturday, September 26, 2009 1:14 AM PDT

candlelight vigil planned for tonight in mccleary

 
Dan Jackson | The Daily World

Investigators spent hours combing through junk cars and exploring a vacant house on a large swath of land outside McCleary city limits Friday, all in the search for more clues in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum.

Three months ago today, Baum disappeared just a few blocks away from her home near downtown McCleary. Despite two confirmed sightings within blocks of her house, no trace of her has been found.

It is the first major action since police investigators stopped combing woods, swamps and grasslands in search of Baum several weeks ago. But the investigation has never ended, according to Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office, who stressed that “new credible information” had emerged, leading to a number of search warrants being executed Friday.

The King County Sheriff’s Office loaned the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office their mobile command post along with a few deputies to conduct the intensive search, which continues through the rest of the weekend. The FBI and other law enforcement agencies are also involved.

Foreman and Old Sand Creek roads outside McCleary were blocked off Friday by a deputy sheriff, who was checking licenses to make sure only local residents could access the route.

But the search brought television news cameras and helicopters back to

McCleary.

 
 
Helicopter footage from KOMO 4 showed investigators in white protective gear entering and exiting an abandoned house south of McCleary. The home and a nearby barn or shed, covered in blue tarps, is surrounded by brush and trees in each direction.

Investigators loaded boxes full of belongings into a horse trailer that looked like it was being used for

evidence.

The mobile command center was set up in a second residence surrounded by junk cars, according to the video posted online by KOMO.

KOMO 4 reported that the people living in the house on the outskirts of town were asked to leave after receiving a search warrant.

Shumate said detectives interviewed some people Friday, but declined to go into details and didn’t name anyone as a suspect or person of interest.

Grays Harbor Prosecutor Stew Menefee declined to release the search warrants to the public, but said the records will become public within five days of being

executed.

Shumate said investigators spent Friday gathering small items — fibers, hair  — and larger items, just about anything that could give them a hint as to where Baum could be. He declined to say why they were searching the house or junk cars, except to say that the locations “may contain evidence that may assist investigators in locating Lindsey Baum.”

The 4-foot-9, brown-haired girl was last seen wearing a blue hooded shirt, jeans and black shoes.

Volunteers and investigators have combed inside and outside the city limits for months looking for evidence of Baum.

Supporters of Baum planned to conduct a candlelight vigil tonight to mark three months since she went missing.

The group will gather at 8 p.m. at the Evergreen Christian Center on Fourth Street in McCleary to offer support and share the latest news on the search.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 03:20:52 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.   i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!

Thanks Melissa.

Considering that you are a close friend of Lindsey's mother ... I wanted confirmation from you.  Kara Kampen would not or could not confirm.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 03:28:53 PM
Foreman & old Sand Creek

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/klaasen3/Sub7/ForemanOldSandCreek.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 03:30:35 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.
From what I'm reading Lindsey's room has been taped off since she went missing.Investigators must have done that while investigating Lindsey's room and Melissa has stated(somewhere)that she is leaving the tape on until Lindsey comes home.
 ::MonkeyTears::
{{{{Mama Baum}}}}


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 03:31:25 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.  i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!

my highlight above. 

MM, you and I have chatted quite a few times.  Our last chat was last night, all about this very subject.  You came to my chatroom and discussed this several people, how you were going to come over here and OUT the poster because you were mad because no one here would delete the posts about you.  I explained to you exactly why these posts can't be deleted.  You said you don't see they why no one is posting about the "poster", and asked how was that any different that people posting about you.  I explained to you in detail exactly how it was different; you are not trying to help by giving information on a forum that might get you killed.  I explained that to you.  I even asked you... what you want to go out someone else who might be harmed if you do, just because you are mad because the posts about you were not removed... you said no you did not...well now you did just that...

and reading above you just said you only come here so defend yourself and not attack others, you come only to defend you and mark if someone is derectly said about you.  How is this other poster have anything at all directly said about you.  How does posting their name defend you or mark? 

and now here you are intentionally putting someone in harms way after I told you exactly what was going on with this person and it has nothing whatsoever to do with this posters involvement in the lindsey case.  Why is it so important that all of you want this persons name all over the net, when she has been trying to help find lindsey.  Is that how all of you treat everyone who tries to help, you want to transfer the suspicion to them instead of yourselves.  I have a feeling when this all clears we will see that people are trying to blame this person for something they have nothing to do with.  and the worse part about it... they tried to help only for all you to "expose" them and put them in harms way.  Mccleary is a tiny town and when you know everyone but you try to help the outsider, and then the outsider who needs the help turns on you... you really have to wonder what this all really is about.

sorry for the long post again... but you know there is a consorted effort by all of you to hide the truth and try to put the blame on people who are trying to expose the truth... I am very suspicious of all of you...especially after every one of you have went behind the others back to expose each other.  you all have come to me with suspicions about all the others, tried to tell me all their lifetime garbage, and last but not least I have the emails where MB accuses YOU of ripping off the fund money.. shall I go on?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:31:42 PM
I'm sorry Janet, now I understand  ::MonkeyEek::  ::MonkeyNoNo:: More coffee please  ::MonkeyDevil::  No I was just looking over at IS board, and this popped up in conversation, there must be a video or article where this info came from, but I don't know .  I really find it odd if this is true.
From what I'm reading Lindsey's room has been taped off since she went missing.Investigators must have done that while investigating Lindsey's room and Melissa has stated(somewhere)that she is leaving the tape on until Lindsey comes home.
 ::MonkeyTears::
{{{{Mama Baum}}}}

Thank-you  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 03:34:29 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 03:36:03 PM

The map link also reveals the intersection of Foreman Road and Old Sand Creek Road.  How many miles would this be from the sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple?

TIA

Janet

++++++

MAP:
http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:37:51 PM
Well, I will say none of this makes much sense, but I believe this is not as complicated a case as I might have thought for a minute or two. I really wish I could understand all this back stabbing that seems to be going on. Again it appears a child is lost in all the bs, and what a shame it is  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
I could not access the text version of the following article but ... according to the print version ... the crime tape across Lindsey's door has been there from the getgo.  In other words ... not necessarily connected to the latest search.

Janet

++++++

I WILL FIND MY DAUGHTER
BY JACOB JONES - The Daily World
Sunday, August 2, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Baum said the worst part is knowing somebody holds the answer. Somebody, if they wanted to, could bring her daughter home at any moment.

“I can’t believe that nobody knows anything,” she said. “They just need to come forward. They need to re-evaluate their morality and put my little girl first.”

She said she knows Lindsey is alive and soon somebody will have the courage to lead investigators to her. She asked anyone with information to call the tip line at 1-866-915-8299.

“I just want her back,” she said. “You can stay anonymous, even calling a tip in. You don’t have to give your name or anything.”

After five weeks, yellow police tape still hangs over Lindsey’s door. Hand-written signs of support still hang in the windows of the house. Log trucks still slowly roll past Maple Street.

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.prt

http://**/articles/2009/08/02/local_news/doc4a75285b085b5140001671.txt


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:39:01 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here
Thanks, I thought so  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 03:41:46 PM

The map link also reveals the intersection of Foreman Road and Old Sand Creek Road.  How many miles would this be from the sighting of Lindsey at 5th and Maple?

TIA

Janet

++++++

MAP:
http://www.countryinnpetresortspa.com/location.html


KOMO NEWS - SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Video shot by KOMO News' Air 4 showed law enforcement personnel combing at least two sites near McCleary on Friday.

At one site, investigators in protective clothing were probing an area near an old, abandoned house and large shed.

At another location, about one-eighth mile away near the intersection of Old Sand Creek Road, North Sand Creek Road and Foreman Road, a mobile King County Sheriff's Office command post was set up at a residence surrounded by junk cars.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html


BUMPED

I guess they brought in King county because they have access to the needed equipment and trained people?  I would guess this is why KING county is there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
thats interesting skye. i am pretty sure i also explained to you that i dont think she has anything to do with it and i also stated earlier that hopefully no one will say the same stuff they said about me prior to having actual knowledge. i also said she is a very regular customer of mine and that i like her very  much. but since your chat room board isnt visible on here i guess no one will read it unless you let them on to your site. i get youre frustrated and need to take it out on someone. i have no problem being your punching bag if that is what you need.  you said you will be doing things on your own now so hopefully something will come of it. i guess you are feeling underappreciated and since you dont seem to know its, WE ALL APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS.

I see whats goin on the other boards and as i just posted on one of them, I hope this bickering stops and everyone gets back on the same train. this is about lindsey and bringing her home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 03:51:12 PM
Wouldn't it be great if there was a Hollywood writer out there somewhere lurking. The key players in Lindsey's world are a true cast of characters. I realize that McCleary is a small town and the boredom level must run very high. I have never seen a more mud slinging group of individuals since high school. It would be wonderful if someone would write a story on this and donate all of the proceeds to help missing children. Something good has to come out of all of this. I cannot see what any of the ugliness provided by said cast of characters has done to bring LB home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 03:52:00 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 03:58:59 PM
Wouldn't it be great if there was a Hollywood writer out there somewhere lurking. The key players in Lindsey's world are a true cast of characters. I realize that McCleary is a small town and the boredom level must run very high. I have never seen a more mud slinging group of individuals since high school. It would be wonderful if someone would write a story on this and donate all of the proceeds to help missing children. Something good has to come out of all of this. I cannot see what any of the ugliness provided by said cast of characters has done to bring LB home.
  ::MonkeyEek::  Already been written I think, kind of like Twin Peaks. This is all so very sad, hopefully Lindsey you will come home soon  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 04:03:15 PM
Wouldn't it be great if there was a Hollywood writer out there somewhere lurking. The key players in Lindsey's world are a true cast of characters. I realize that McCleary is a small town and the boredom level must run very high. I have never seen a more mud slinging group of individuals since high school. It would be wonderful if someone would write a story on this and donate all of the proceeds to help missing children. Something good has to come out of all of this. I cannot see what any of the ugliness provided by said cast of characters has done to bring LB home.
  ::MonkeyEek::  Already been written I think, kind of like Twin Peaks. This is all so very sad, hopefully Lindsey you will come home soon  ::MonkeyAngel::

OMG! THANK YOU! I have been searching my feeble brain for the name of that show! I could not remember it for the life of me. You are the best!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 26, 2009, 04:05:48 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

Yes Klaasend, Sebastian and DD.   Misdirection, not following up on possible leads, even "mistruths"  surrounding those who are close to Lindsey and/or her family is perplexing and disturbing.  Is this massive egos, sick fascination, or something possible more sinister?!  JMO
Prayers for Lindsey and those that are truly trying to bring her home


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Wouldn't it be great if there was a Hollywood writer out there somewhere lurking. The key players in Lindsey's world are a true cast of characters. I realize that McCleary is a small town and the boredom level must run very high. I have never seen a more mud slinging group of individuals since high school. It would be wonderful if someone would write a story on this and donate all of the proceeds to help missing children. Something good has to come out of all of this. I cannot see what any of the ugliness provided by said cast of characters has done to bring LB home.
  ::MonkeyEek::  Already been written I think, kind of like Twin Peaks. This is all so very sad, hopefully Lindsey you will come home soon  ::MonkeyAngel::

OMG! THANK YOU! I have been searching my feeble brain for the name of that show! I could not remember it for the life of me. You are the best!
  ::MonkeyDevil::  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:08:51 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

Yes Klaasend, Sebastian and DD.   Misdirection, not following up on possible leads, even "mistruths"  surrounding those who are close to Lindsey and/or her family is perplexing and disturbing.  Is this massive egos, sick fascination, or something possible more sinister?!  JMO
Prayers for Lindsey and those that are truly trying to bring her home
Thank-you, what you posted, are my thoughts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
oh i liked twin peaks.... good idea



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:20:42 PM
oh i liked twin peaks.... good idea


I thought so  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 04:23:28 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

Yes Klaasend, Sebastian and DD.   Misdirection, not following up on possible leads, even "mistruths"  surrounding those who are close to Lindsey and/or her family is perplexing and disturbing.  Is this massive egos, sick fascination, or something possible more sinister?!  JMO
Prayers for Lindsey and those that are truly trying to bring her home

Madre ... I pick door #3.  I do believe that the truth will emerge as the cord weakens ... when the strands are no longer entwined.

Janet






Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 04:26:42 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.   i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!

Thanks Melissa.

Considering that you are a close friend of Lindsey's mother ... I wanted confirmation from you.  Kara Kampen would not or could not confirm.

Janet

Tamikosmom is sooo confused.

 ::MonkeyWaa::

Janet

++++++

the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
thats interesting skye. i am pretty sure i also explained to you that i dont think she has anything to do with it and i also stated earlier that hopefully no one will say the same stuff they said about me prior to having actual knowledge. i also said she is a very regular customer of mine and that i like her very  much. but since your chat room board isnt visible on here i guess no one will read it unless you let them on to your site. i get youre frustrated and need to take it out on someone. i have no problem being your punching bag if that is what you need.  you said you will be doing things on your own now so hopefully something will come of it. i guess you are feeling underappreciated and since you dont seem to know its, WE ALL APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK AND THE TIME YOU PUT INTO THIS.

I see whats goin on the other boards and as i just posted on one of them, I hope this bickering stops and everyone gets back on the same train. this is about lindsey and bringing her home.

I do this for the VICTIMS  NO ONE ELSE... I try to find the missing while they are still ALIVE... if I have to be 20 personalities, play both the good cop and the bad cop all by myself, and whatever it takes, I am willing to do it.  If I have to put up with tons of BS to get to the truth, if I have to talk to people I don't want to talk to and smile in their face while I am doing it in order to get to the truth, I will do that to.  Do I care if people appreciate me NO, do I care if you like me, absolutely not.  Do I care what people think of me.  Never have.  I care about one thing only , to get to the truth...

it is all you (MM< KK< MB< and jennifer) and all your lying bs and telling on one another which got me more truth than anything else. 

Believe me my feelings are not hurt and I am not pouting.  I am the one with all of your typed words.  and yes I have it all.  There's a time and a purpose for BS, that time is long over now. 

thanks for all your info on MB, KK and JENNIfer, and thanks to each of them for all the info on you and one another.  Saved me a lot of dang research. 

so now that is over, and now all there is to do it for each of you to remember what all you said all over the net and in emails and on chats etc, and hope they heck no one said anything to incriminate themself in a crime.  Did you?   ::MonkeyCool::

I'm done with you all now.  My purpose has been accomplished.

and the little sneaky stuff about the search being done for me and KK and JENN sending someone else to do their dirty work.  I was on to you all for that too.  BTW the REAL search happened with professionals who called LE before they went, who are trained sar people.  And NO, the search was no where any of you think.  I learned a long time ago to never tell any of you the truth, because the truth went nowhere.  So go play your games now with someone else.

This case is going to wrap up and I am glad.  I have been driven to the point of quitting a million times because of your little inner circle grrr, but as always I do persevere. 
MM, go enjoy your life.  I am


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 04:29:11 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.  i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!

my highlight above. 

MM, you and I have chatted quite a few times.  Our last chat was last night, all about this very subject.  You came to my chatroom and discussed this several people, how you were going to come over here and OUT the poster because you were mad because no one here would delete the posts about you.  I explained to you exactly why these posts can't be deleted.  You said you don't see they why no one is posting about the "poster", and asked how was that any different that people posting about you.  I explained to you in detail exactly how it was different; you are not trying to help by giving information on a forum that might get you killed.  I explained that to you.  I even asked you... what you want to go out someone else who might be harmed if you do, just because you are mad because the posts about you were not removed... you said no you did not...well now you did just that...

and reading above you just said you only come here so defend yourself and not attack others, you come only to defend you and mark if someone is derectly said about you.  How is this other poster have anything at all directly said about you.  How does posting their name defend you or mark? 

and now here you are intentionally putting someone in harms way after I told you exactly what was going on with this person and it has nothing whatsoever to do with this posters involvement in the lindsey case.  Why is it so important that all of you want this persons name all over the net, when she has been trying to help find lindsey.  Is that how all of you treat everyone who tries to help, you want to transfer the suspicion to them instead of yourselves.  I have a feeling when this all clears we will see that people are trying to blame this person for something they have nothing to do with.  and the worse part about it... they tried to help only for all you to "expose" them and put them in harms way.  Mccleary is a tiny town and when you know everyone but you try to help the outsider, and then the outsider who needs the help turns on you... you really have to wonder what this all really is about.

sorry for the long post again... but you know there is a consorted effort by all of you to hide the truth and try to put the blame on people who are trying to expose the truth... I am very suspicious of all of you...especially after every one of you have went behind the others back to expose each other.  you all have come to me with suspicions about all the others, tried to tell me all their lifetime garbage, and last but not least I have the emails where MB accuses YOU of ripping off the fund money.. shall I go on?
DD I am hoping you are not including any Monkeys in the"all of you"above.
None of us has outted anyone or put anyone in danger by posting their name/s.....at least not that I have read.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 04:30:28 PM
DD- keep up all of your hard work. lindsey is lucky to have you searching for her. i know if i ever went missing or someone in my family went missing i would definitely want you on the case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 04:30:30 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here
Thank you DD,I should have read ahead.
 ::MonkeyWink::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 04:33:16 PM
Well, I will say none of this makes much sense, but I believe this is not as complicated a case as I might have thought for a minute or two. I really wish I could understand all this back stabbing that seems to be going on. Again it appears a child is lost in all the bs, and what a shame it is  ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo::

I agree
Praying for Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 26, 2009, 04:37:15 PM
the "all of you" in my above post means MM< MB< KK< JENNIFERO etc, it does not mean any of the posters here

Thanks DD.  That's been my point with them.  How can you believe any of them?  As far as I'm concerned until we know otherwise, everyone in McCleary is still a suspect.

Yes Klaasend, Sebastian and DD.   Misdirection, not following up on possible leads, even "mistruths"  surrounding those who are close to Lindsey and/or her family is perplexing and disturbing.  Is this massive egos, sick fascination, or something possible more sinister?!  JMO
Prayers for Lindsey and those that are truly trying to bring her home
Thank-you, what you posted, are my thoughts.

No Rose, thanks for your support.  By the way MM, you said on another site this is just bickering.  I totally disagree.  This back-stabbing, misdirection, etc. you and your "friends" are doing there in your town is very unsettling because this is the rub....Why? What are the agendas?  Why are there agendas?!  In my opinion, the radio personality that came to the search has shined the light on some troubling things he saw or surmised that day....which some here have tried to allude to repeatedly.   

Prayers for Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 04:40:55 PM
sebastian,  feel free to ask me directly questions and IF i can answer them I will.  The issue is that a lot of what we know we arent allowed to discuss... and i never denied helium to mb, that would of been 'worried' just tryin to stir the pot. what i do is behind the scenes since i cant go out to do the physical search.  i dont come on here to attack others as some do, i will defend myself or mark as it DIRECTLY related to me. i am pretty sure you would do the same if i came on here and started posting about you and your life.. just a point i am making. 

whomever asked about jb being home (maybe that was janet) when lindsey disappeared, yes he was home. that has been stated at some point in time.

there are a lot of posts on here,, often running together,, so if i miss things sorry

just got off the phone with mb and she said LE hasnt contacted her yet today about anything so hopefully soon!

my highlight above. 

MM, you and I have chatted quite a few times.  Our last chat was last night, all about this very subject.  You came to my chatroom and discussed this several people, how you were going to come over here and OUT the poster because you were mad because no one here would delete the posts about you.  I explained to you exactly why these posts can't be deleted.  You said you don't see they why no one is posting about the "poster", and asked how was that any different that people posting about you.  I explained to you in detail exactly how it was different; you are not trying to help by giving information on a forum that might get you killed.  I explained that to you.  I even asked you... what you want to go out someone else who might be harmed if you do, just because you are mad because the posts about you were not removed... you said no you did not...well now you did just that...

and reading above you just said you only come here so defend yourself and not attack others, you come only to defend you and mark if someone is derectly said about you.  How is this other poster have anything at all directly said about you.  How does posting their name defend you or mark? 

and now here you are intentionally putting someone in harms way after I told you exactly what was going on with this person and it has nothing whatsoever to do with this posters involvement in the lindsey case.  Why is it so important that all of you want this persons name all over the net, when she has been trying to help find lindsey.  Is that how all of you treat everyone who tries to help, you want to transfer the suspicion to them instead of yourselves.  I have a feeling when this all clears we will see that people are trying to blame this person for something they have nothing to do with.  and the worse part about it... they tried to help only for all you to "expose" them and put them in harms way.  Mccleary is a tiny town and when you know everyone but you try to help the outsider, and then the outsider who needs the help turns on you... you really have to wonder what this all really is about.

sorry for the long post again... but you know there is a consorted effort by all of you to hide the truth and try to put the blame on people who are trying to expose the truth... I am very suspicious of all of you...especially after every one of you have went behind the others back to expose each other.  you all have come to me with suspicions about all the others, tried to tell me all their lifetime garbage, and last but not least I have the emails where MB accuses YOU of ripping off the fund money.. shall I go on?
DD I am hoping you are not including any Monkeys in the"all of you"above.
None of us has outted anyone or put anyone in danger by posting their name/s.....at least not that I have read.

I cleared that up in the post after that.  after I posted I realized that was not clear so I fixed it in the next post. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:40:57 PM
DD- keep up all of your hard work. lindsey is lucky to have you searching for her. i know if i ever went missing or someone in my family went missing i would definitely want you on the case.
I totally agree, and pretty much reading through everything since the beginning, and reading what DD has all said today, my thinking all along was not far off. I pray Lindsey will be found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 04:43:31 PM
Sooooooooo,where are we at in the search for sweet Lindsey?
Anyone?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:44:12 PM
Sooooooooo,where are we at in the search for sweet Lindsey?
Anyone?
I was wondering myself, what was going on today.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 04:52:55 PM
BRAVO DD! 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 04:53:48 PM
Sooooooooo,where are we at in the search for sweet Lindsey?
Anyone?
I was wondering myself, what was going on today.

I've been checking the local tv and news, nothing yet.  I know that LE said they were not going to state where the seach warrants where issued for (until 5 days).  I guess they still want the element of surprise, but that just my opinion.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 04:55:16 PM
BRAVO DD! 

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:58:56 PM
Sooooooooo,where are we at in the search for sweet Lindsey?
Anyone?
I was wondering myself, what was going on today.

I've been checking the local tv and news, nothing yet.  I know that LE said they were not going to state where the seach warrants where issued for (until 5 days).  I guess they still want the element of surprise, but that just my opinion.
Thank-you, I'm sure they don't want people knowing, I wasn't sure if LE was searching, or there was a planned search with the people from the town.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 04:59:34 PM
BRAVO DD! 

 ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice:: ::MonkeyJustice::
  ::MonkeyCool::  ::MonkeyGavel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 05:04:49 PM
DD- keep up all of your hard work. lindsey is lucky to have you searching for her. i know if i ever went missing or someone in my family went missing i would definitely want you on the case.
I totally agree, and pretty much reading through everything since the beginning, and reading what DD has all said today, my thinking all along was not far off. I pray Lindsey will be found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

yes, i think we are gonna find that lindsey was taken by someone she knows.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 05:07:11 PM
mb said she hasnt been contacted yet by LE today


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 05:10:14 PM
Sooooooooo,where are we at in the search for sweet Lindsey?
Anyone?
I was wondering myself, what was going on today.

I've been checking the local tv and news, nothing yet.  I know that LE said they were not going to state where the seach warrants where issued for (until 5 days).  I guess they still want the element of surprise, but that just my opinion.
Thank-you, I'm sure they don't want people knowing, I wasn't sure if LE was searching, or there was a planned search with the people from the town.

NoRose, the last I heard the next planned search with LRC is scheduled for the next weekend, though I could be mistaken.  I'm not sure what will happen, however, as the Klaus Foundation is very serious about the confidentiality regarding the searches and since several involved in coordinating the searches through LRC have been talking so much on the internet about the searches, it's just hard to say.  It is unfortunate that folks don't realize the ramifications all this can have on the whole purpose.  Klass stated earlier about people realizing responsibility for what they put out over the internet.  I pray those who have this lesson to learn will not learn it to the detriment of bringing Lindsey home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 05:10:21 PM
DD- keep up all of your hard work. lindsey is lucky to have you searching for her. i know if i ever went missing or someone in my family went missing i would definitely want you on the case.
I totally agree, and pretty much reading through everything since the beginning, and reading what DD has all said today, my thinking all along was not far off. I pray Lindsey will be found soon.  ::MonkeyAngel::

yes, i think we are gonna find that lindsey was taken by someone she knows.



Yes, that is one thing I have believed all along, Lindsey knew the person.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 05:11:34 PM
mb said she hasnt been contacted yet by LE today
Thank you Melissa.Tell Mama Melissa that Monkeys have her and her family and especially Lindsey in our prayers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 05:15:27 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!

Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 05:17:26 PM
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 05:19:01 PM
Monkeys

My unpopular position with many on this forum did sway momentarily today but ... I have regained my balance.

Unless it is revealed otherwise ... I will continue to ask myself the following questions regarding Lindsey Baum disappearance:

1.  Following the witness sighting ... is it possible that an impulsive action by someone close to Lindsey unintentionally caused her death?

2.  In an attempted coverup ... is it possible assistance was requested and provided?

3.  Considering there have been no arrests ... could their be underlying issues  encompassing the questioning of an underage person of interest? 

Janet

+++++++


Expert: Missing girl likely went with someone she knew
09:58 PM PDT on Wednesday, July 1, 2009


A national expert helping in the search for 10-year-old Lindsey Baum says someone Lindsey knew might be responsible for her disappearance. Baum vanished while walking home from a friend’s house Friday around 9 p.m.

"Based on the information I have, it’s someone she possibly knows or is in the area, not outside the area," said Henry Schmidt, with the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children..

Schmidt, a retired sheriff from Wyoming, arrived in McCleary to assist with the search Sunday.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_070109WAB-mccleary-KS.260ea8b9.html


TIMELINES AND THEORIES
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5703.0





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 05:21:19 PM



Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!
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is there an easy way to find posts on here as i know i have addressed stuff already. however since there is 2 other sites i have posted on i cant be sure it was this site.......


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 05:25:31 PM
http://www.skyvalleychronicle.com/BREAKING-NEWS/IN-McLEARY-br-Search-Warrants-Served-For-Missing-Girl

IN McCLEARY:
Search Warrants Served For Missing Girl
September 26, 2009


Missing Lindsey Baum. (McCLEARY, WA) -- Investigators plan to be out again today (Saturday) searching for clues in the disappearance of 11-year-old Lindsey Baum of McCleary. Approximately 50 searchers will be working through the weekend.

It has now been three months since she disappeared from a McCleary street while walking home from a friend's house.

Friday morning, Grays Harbor Sheriff's deputies, FBI agents and members of the King County Sheriff's Office, started serving search warrants in and around the McCleary area.

It appeared investigators had reason to search specific properties in the area for the missing girl but a Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office spokesperson would only say the search warrants were a result of their "continuing investigation" and that authorities had credible information that lead to the searches.

Authorities did not say where the locations were they intended to search or if anyone was specifically being looked at as a suspect in Baum's disappearance.

Lindsey’s 11th birthday came and went in early July with searchers seemingly no closer to finder her than they were on June 26th when she vanished.

That month law enforcement officials in Grays Harbor County said it appears “likely” that Lindsey was abducted, perhaps by someone she knew.

Authorities at that time were urging residents in the area to report any unusual behavior they might have noticed that might point to an abductor, such as a person suddenly cutting or dyeing hair, an unexplained absence from work or cuts or bruises on the arms and face.

Lindsey is 4-foot-9, about 80 pounds, has brown hair and brown eyes and was last seen 10 days ago on June 26 wearing a light blue hooded pullover shirt and blue jeans with black shoes. See picture of her to right, above.

Anyone with information is asked to call a hotline that has been set up at 1-866-915-8299.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 05:27:00 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Melissa ... what changing stories?  Have you discussed Melissa Baum's changing stories with LE?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 05:27:16 PM



Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

is there an easy way to find posts on here as i know i have addressed stuff already. however since there is 2 other sites i have posted on i cant be sure it was this site.......
[/quote]

Could you PLEASE humor me and provide the answers to these questions again. There are ONLY 3!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 05:30:27 PM


Quote
Sebastian wrote:
Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

is there an easy way to find posts on here as i know i have addressed stuff already. however since there is 2 other sites i have posted on i cant be sure it was this site.......
[/quote]
Melissa,I believe you can click on your screen name and then the option will show up to read all posts by this member.
Here are your posts....
Go to the bottom under show the last posts.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6816


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 05:32:45 PM
Melissa - it's very easy to check all of your posts or someone elses too for that matter.  All you have to do is click on their name and scroll down to where it says:

Show the last posts of this person


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 05:34:06 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Melissa ... what changing stories?  Have you discussed Melissa Baum's changing stories with LE?

Janet
  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::   Who is really changing stories?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 26, 2009, 05:37:08 PM
O/T Tacoma toddler found safe

TACOMA, Wash. - Tacoma police say they have found Azeal M. Degruy, the Tacoma toddler who was abducted by his uncle Friday night.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092609WAB-toddler-abducted-by-uncle-KS.1bad0c5ef.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 05:39:34 PM
O/T Tacoma toddler found safe

TACOMA, Wash. - Tacoma police say they have found Azeal M. Degruy, the Tacoma toddler who was abducted by his uncle Friday night.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_092609WAB-toddler-abducted-by-uncle-KS.1bad0c5ef.html
Thank-you, good news ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 05:42:44 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 05:43:13 PM

is there an easy way to find posts on here as i know i have addressed stuff already. however since there is 2 other sites i have posted on i cant be sure it was this site.......

Could you PLEASE humor me and provide the answers to these questions again. There are ONLY 3!
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SEARCH ENGINE

1.  Click Search icon located toward the top of the page.

2.  Search for:  type key word that you remember is in your post.

3.  By User:  sebastian

4.  Click "Show results as messages"

5.  Search Order:  "most recent topics first"

6.  Click Search icon at bottom.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 06:10:28 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.



I hope Lindsey is found soon, that is what I'm praying for.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 06:13:56 PM
great thanks, got it figured out...


Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

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Let’s hope this case is finally coming to an end!!!
 
MB and KK are together all the time. They came in to my store together. I am not going to ignore her if she is here. Just because she is friends with MB, doesn’t mean she is friends with me. Am I rude to her? No. Do I dislike her? I don’t know her enough to dislike her. Do I see her when I go over to MB's? Yes because they are together all the time. Are you friends with all of your friends friends? If so, wow and kudos.
 
The questions concerning money handling came from the unfortunate incident that started with my boyfriends ex being mad he was awarded full custody of their kids. Her friend was trying to stir the pot (I assume in hopes of trying to help get the court to change there minds) which is what brought me to the site again.  Anyways, a couple days after Lindsey went missing, the family decided they should set up an account for donations and asked me if I could do it. Because I am a business owner, know about getting the tax forms, handling money, keeping receipts, ect.. I said I would do it.  Beings how none of us had ever been through this experience before, we have learned as we go.  So I set I did what the bank requested, got the appropriate IRS forms, filled them out, submitted them, and then set up the account. All paperwork is accounted for, all statements and receipts kept in a file. If anyone wanted to audit the account they are more than welcome to.  MB is not on ANY of the accounts for this exact reason. So no one could accuse her of misappropriations of the money. She has enough stress on her plate as it is.  As LRC and Mark Klaas got involved, we have all  learned more about how to do things which is why the 2 other accounts were set up. They have a person on them who is unrelated in anyway and any withdrawals require 2 signatures.


“you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches” Now that’s quite the stretch! I wish I knew where Lindsey was. I don’t really believe in psychics but at this time I sure wish I was one of them. Yes my best friend’s kid is missing and my heart hurts for her every day.  I don’t go out to the physical searches because I have to take care of my family. If that makes me selfish than so be it. I don’t have the funds to hire someone else to work my store or I would. My life changing has coincided with Lindsey's disappearance. When MB calls and asks me to do something, I do it if I can. I wish I had more freedom to spend each and every day with her but I can’t.  If she calls and says 'I need you to be with me today' then I make it happen. I am grateful she has KK to be with her (regardless of what people think of her) because unfortunately MB sure can’t rely on Lindsey’s father to be by her side in this.  as for what I do/have done behind the scenes, well, I assist with the websites as I have some familiarity with html, having set them up for my own businesses, I have made phone calls, taken phone calls, talked to media, made posts, emailed photos here and there to different agencies, and now I will be working on setting up the websites so that anyone who would like to buy a t-shirt or a sweatshirt with Lindsey photo and info on it can do so with the shopping cart if you’re not local. Its nice seeing people walk though town with them on. Sometimes the little things are just as important as the big things.   

so anything else i can answer for ya? i am sure i have missed something somewhere


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 06:15:53 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.



I hope Lindsey is found soon, that is what I'm praying for.
::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 06:20:06 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.


Thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 06:21:13 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.




i hope there are some answered revealed some. one way or another, lindsey needs to be brought home. and again, she is lucky to have someone like you advocating for her :)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 06:24:24 PM
great thanks, got it figured out...


Ok, since this case is hopefully FINALLY coming to a conclusion, let's iron out a few things. I do have some questions. You say that you are not "friends" with KK? I saw a post on IS where you stated that "YOU, MB and KK were sitting around in your store", blah blah blah. You are also supposedly very close to MB, so how could you not be friends with KK? Do you dislike her? If so, why? 2. Why is it there are so many questions regarding your handing of the search fund money and you never giving any direct answers? Why was it that only you were on the account and not MB? 3. Where have you been? Honestly, where have you been? I know you have a new baby and a new boyfriend, but YOUR BEST FRIENDS DAUGHTER HAS BEEN MISSING FOR MONTHS! I cannot help it. I have to wonder if A. you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches or B. You are just another selfish, egotistical local. Perhaps I am truly missing things about you. I am not there, and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. I mean this with all due respect, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

---------------------------------

Let’s hope this case is finally coming to an end!!!
 
MB and KK are together all the time. They came in to my store together. I am not going to ignore her if she is here. Just because she is friends with MB, doesn’t mean she is friends with me. Am I rude to her? No. Do I dislike her? I don’t know her enough to dislike her. Do I see her when I go over to MB's? Yes because they are together all the time. Are you friends with all of your friends friends? If so, wow and kudos.
 
The questions concerning money handling came from the unfortunate incident that started with my boyfriends ex being mad he was awarded full custody of their kids. Her friend was trying to stir the pot (I assume in hopes of trying to help get the court to change there minds) which is what brought me to the site again.  Anyways, a couple days after Lindsey went missing, the family decided they should set up an account for donations and asked me if I could do it. Because I am a business owner, know about getting the tax forms, handling money, keeping receipts, ect.. I said I would do it.  Beings how none of us had ever been through this experience before, we have learned as we go.  So I set I did what the bank requested, got the appropriate IRS forms, filled them out, submitted them, and then set up the account. All paperwork is accounted for, all statements and receipts kept in a file. If anyone wanted to audit the account they are more than welcome to.  MB is not on ANY of the accounts for this exact reason. So no one could accuse her of misappropriations of the money. She has enough stress on her plate as it is.  As LRC and Mark Klaas got involved, we have all  learned more about how to do things which is why the 2 other accounts were set up. They have a person on them who is unrelated in anyway and any withdrawals require 2 signatures.


“you know where Lindsey is which is why you have not bothered with the searches” Now that’s quite the stretch! I wish I knew where Lindsey was. I don’t really believe in psychics but at this time I sure wish I was one of them. Yes my best friend’s kid is missing and my heart hurts for her every day.  I don’t go out to the physical searches because I have to take care of my family. If that makes me selfish than so be it. I don’t have the funds to hire someone else to work my store or I would. My life changing has coincided with Lindsey's disappearance. When MB calls and asks me to do something, I do it if I can. I wish I had more freedom to spend each and every day with her but I can’t.  If she calls and says 'I need you to be with me today' then I make it happen. I am grateful she has KK to be with her (regardless of what people think of her) because unfortunately MB sure can’t rely on Lindsey’s father to be by her side in this.  as for what I do/have done behind the scenes, well, I assist with the websites as I have some familiarity with html, having set them up for my own businesses, I have made phone calls, taken phone calls, talked to media, made posts, emailed photos here and there to different agencies, and now I will be working on setting up the websites so that anyone who would like to buy a t-shirt or a sweatshirt with Lindsey photo and info on it can do so with the shopping cart if you’re not local. Its nice seeing people walk though town with them on. Sometimes the little things are just as important as the big things.   

so anything else i can answer for ya? i am sure i have missed something somewhere

Thank you for your response! Who is the other person on the "search fund account" with you? Who is working your store today? It just seems odd to me that you cannot help search on any Saturday because of your store, but today, when there is media around and so much action, you are suddenly available and all over these web boards. I really want to believe that you are a good friend to Melissa. I guess at times I wear rose colored glasses and want to believe there is good in everyone. I just don't get why you were not available to help search. Elma is only 8 miles away. Isn't it true that your boyfriend Mark Duncan is unemployed and has worked in your store before? I guess I don't understand why he could not have manned your store so that you could have been by Melissa's side and helped her search. I really appreciate the fact that you are there today. I am sure she needs every last bit of support that she can get. I  truly hope that Lindsey is found safe this week-end and brought home to her mother and brother. I doubt dad would be terribly interested one way or the other based on his performance thus far.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 06:24:53 PM
I think this is an update on todays search,video won't play for me.
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 06:33:24 PM
I wonder if the huge buzz is if they found Lindsey or some evidence.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 06:35:39 PM
I think this is an update on todays search,video won't play for me.
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html


Looks like last nights video


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
I think this is an update on todays search,video won't play for me.
http://www.kirotv.com/video/21120565/index.html


Looks like last nights video

Yes, I think it was.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 06:41:43 PM

Thank you for your response! Who is the other person on the "search fund account" with you? Who is working your store today? It just seems odd to me that you cannot help search on any Saturday because of your store, but today, when there is media around and so much action, you are suddenly available and all over these web boards. I really want to believe that you are a good friend to Melissa. I guess at times I wear rose colored glasses and want to believe there is good in everyone. I just don't get why you were not available to help search. Elma is only 8 miles away. Isn't it true that your boyfriend Mark Duncan is unemployed and has worked in your store before? I guess I don't understand why he could not have manned your store so that you could have been by Melissa's side and helped her search. I really appreciate the fact that you are there today. I am sure she needs every last bit of support that she can get. I  truly hope that Lindsey is found safe this week-end and brought home to her mother and brother. I doubt dad would be terribly interested one way or the other based on his performance thus far.
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I am not at MB's today. I am workin in my store and I am on here between customers. I have that luxury as Elma is a little town, although bigger than mccleary, and i dont have nonstop business. hence the reason for not being able to hire someone else to work for me. Mark is a real estate agent just like myself and he also has another job. Yes He has helped out in my store. We do have other minor children and if he is here, he cant take care of them as they are not ready to be left home alone in our opinion.
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
i did not partake in the search fund account and i dont know who the other person was, the attorney had to write up something for the bank (that i dont recall what it was called at this moment) because lindsey is not present to do anything with the money and her name is on the account


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 06:47:51 PM
I have to leave for a couple hours, but I sure have some very strange feelings, maybe when I get back there may be some answers.  Lindsey  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 06:48:21 PM
Is Mark on the "search fund" account with you?" Is it my imagination or are you not a bit suspicious of KK? Is it true she has only lived in McCleary for a few months?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 06:54:57 PM
Is Mark on the "search fund" account with you?" Is it my imagination or are you not a bit suspicious of KK? Is it true she has only lived in McCleary for a few months?

I am sorry. I meant to ask, is Mark on the same Lindsey account that you are on? I appreciate your being forthcoming.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:18:32 PM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.


Thank-you

I am told they saw the dogs and searchers in elma last week. 
someone is saying a psychic turned in the tips.  ????   okay... maybe they did. 

again, rumor mill, you never know.  but I guess they were listening to a lot of psychics, as MM has told me that also.  and how they even had LE chasing a car all over because they were told lindsey was in the trunk, and le got fed up.  maybe this is another one of those things?  what do you think MM, another psychic tip?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:21:30 PM
I wonder if the huge buzz is if they found Lindsey or some evidence.

part of the buzz was they found something connected to lindsey but... again totally local buzz


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 07:24:48 PM
hmmm hard to say... i am thinking that when the reports become public we will know for sure!  i dont care who gives the information that leads to actually finding lindsey. it could be a mass murderer in prison in china and i would be greatful to get lindsey back to her family!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:25:24 PM
i did not partake in the search fund account and i dont know who the other person was, the attorney had to write up something for the bank (that i dont recall what it was called at this moment) because lindsey is not present to do anything with the money and her name is on the account

MelissaB was telling me about the accout YOU were on.  let me go look at exactly what she said.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:28:17 PM
Is Mark on the "search fund" account with you?" Is it my imagination or are you not a bit suspicious of KK? Is it true she has only lived in McCleary for a few months?

according to MM in chats and pms to me on my board, MM is very suspicious of KK and was doing everything possible to tell MB to get awa from KK.  MM told me the whole family wanted Mb away from KK, and felt KK was controlling MB.  MM does not like KK at all, why she is saying differently here I don't know, but would like to... were you lying to ME, MM< or are you lying to everyone else NOW>? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:29:15 PM
and please remember, I have all your typed out messages to me MM, and "I" am not going to let you go read them before you answer like you do here.  Lets see if you can keep your story straight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:32:46 PM
hmmm hard to say... i am thinking that when the reports become public we will know for sure!  i dont care who gives the information that leads to actually finding lindsey. it could be a mass murderer in prison in china and i would be greatful to get lindsey back to her family!

well you did not feel that way about the other info from psychics, you said it was a circus and le was fed up with them.  remember that.  and you thought it all ridiculous.  That is what you told me and the other people in chat... and you were ragging mb and kara for this, but what is so funny about it, while you were ragging them for it, a local person was in chat who had been listening to it all on the scanner and it was YOU directing it all.  wow. 

is this another one of those?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:35:53 PM
I just want the truth, we all do.  we don't care what the truth is, but it can't be one way one time, and totally change the next... you said you were telling mb her stories keep changing, and I know you were getting tired of that; well we all are the same way, we are tired of the stories changing.  why can't any of you tell the truth and stick to it.

you say that you have no problem saying what is on your mind... but it seems you have no problem doing it behind people's backs, but when you are out here in the open, you seem to have a really problem saying what you say when they are not there.  why is that? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 07:40:01 PM
hmmm hard to say... i am thinking that when the reports become public we will know for sure!  i dont care who gives the information that leads to actually finding lindsey. it could be a mass murderer in prison in china and i would be greatful to get lindsey back to her family!

well you did not feel that way about the other info from psychics, you said it was a circus and le was fed up with them.  remember that.  and you thought it all ridiculous.  That is what you told me and the other people in chat... and you were ragging mb and kara for this, but what is so funny about it, while you were ragging them for it, a local person was in chat who had been listening to it all on the scanner and it was YOU directing it all.  wow. 

is this another one of those?

MM was directing all of what? Was she calling LE claiming to be a psychic and giving them clues? I am sorry DD, I am lost. Help!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 07:46:52 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Melissa ... what changing stories?  Have you discussed Melissa Baum's changing stories with LE?

Janet

Melissa

1.  Say it how it is to those who can make a difference ... Law Enforcement.

2.  lindsey, melissa, and josh ... ?????  Obviously, the organized searches you are involved with are not about locating a "live" Lindsey.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 07:48:18 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 07:55:10 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.

i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

Are you saying you are not on any account at all with regard to Melissa Baum and/or her family?
Are you saying that Melissa Baum has now spoken with LE?
Are you saying that LE has not been to Elma in regard to Lindsey, not just today, but perhaps last week, or last month?



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 07:56:42 PM
hmmm hard to say... i am thinking that when the reports become public we will know for sure!  i dont care who gives the information that leads to actually finding lindsey. it could be a mass murderer in prison in china and i would be greatful to get lindsey back to her family!

well you did not feel that way about the other info from psychics, you said it was a circus and le was fed up with them.  remember that.  and you thought it all ridiculous.  That is what you told me and the other people in chat... and you were ragging mb and kara for this, but what is so funny about it, while you were ragging them for it, a local person was in chat who had been listening to it all on the scanner and it was YOU directing it all.  wow. 

is this another one of those?

MM was directing all of what? Was she calling LE claiming to be a psychic and giving them clues? I am sorry DD, I am lost. Help!

she was trashing kk and mb for all the psychic info they were giving LE, and saying LE was fed up with it all...yet she was the one directing the cops where to go when they were chasing someone who they thought was the description of the psychic, and pulled these people over thinking lindsey was in the trunk... and it was all BS


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 07:59:28 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

I have no idea what they are doing, but it is very possible they aren't telling MB everything that is going on.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:04:30 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

go back and read about elma, that was a week ago... quit twisting.
and quit trying to mix the funds up, you know exactly which one. Do I have to start posting everything you said... maybe I should just go upload all the bs all of you said, straight up on my open board.  then you can't keep twisting it and avoiding what is asked.  Do you think at this point anyone believes you.  I can't believe you are still rattling on, however, that is what is so great about all of you, you just never know when to quit.  makes it that much easier for all of us to spot the lies. 

keep going on, please.

I am still going to get the email... about the account funds, I have so many emails I am searching through them to find it.  if it becomes too much of a problem to search through them all to PROVE all your lies, then I will just upload them all and people can sort through them all at leizure and figure it all out for themselves.  Much easier that way for me.  so when you start making this become a lot of work for me to answer all of your lying posts, I will just go over there and upload them all.  I do believe they all have a lot of bearing on this case anyway.... so maybe I should just do that anyway being it is all relevant to the case.  We are all researching for the truth, so that will be the easiest for all of use to sort through all the lies so we can get to the truth of this case.  so I will just go do it that way


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:04:38 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

I have no idea what they are doing, but it is very possible they aren't telling MB everything that is going on.

Klaas, not always, but usually, LE doesn't talk with the family unless solid, concrete information can be provided.  This helps eliminate as much as humanly possible more emotional rides on that roller coaster.  It can be annoying for the family I'm sure, but LE tries to remain professional about conversations with families.  They seldom discuss theories, etc unless they (LE) believe the family can assist in debunking or providing more information.  It's a difficult line LE and the families walk, as they journey to the same goal.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:05:34 PM


[/quote]

 ::MonkeyShocked::

Melissa ... what changing stories?  Have you discussed Melissa Baum's changing stories with LE?

Janet
[/quote]

Melissa

1.  Say it how it is to those who can make a difference ... Law Enforcement.

2.  lindsey, melissa, and josh ... ?????  Obviously, the organized searches you are involved with are not about locating a "live" Lindsey.

Janet


[/quote]

oops sorry i missed answer that. changing stories just meaning it went from 9 45 to 9 30 to 9 15.  i guess its hard to know exactly what time everything was occuring as no one had any idea this was going to happen.  is it 4 blocks, 8 blocks,, did a witness see LJ walkin home or just the witness seeing them walk to MK's. i dont recall what my kids wore yesterday, what time they jumped on the trampoline, ect and if something happened i dont know that i could give exacts either. media has also changed things. i too questioned why LJ was out alone at that time, and stated to MB that regardless how it may make others think of her, we have to have as close to exacts as possible as there could be a different witness at 9 14 than at 9 45.


i sid they all would need counceling including lindsey. i put her name first as she is most important. i hope they find her alive! do i think she is? well it didnt look good based on so many things but this weekend is reinstalling hopes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:10:59 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

MM read the highlight... is that suppose to bother me?  yes they are controlling, and I have said a ton more about each of them, is that suppose to be something NEW... you don't get it.  they already know what I say.  Kara knows full well how i am, unlike you, I WILL say it, I have said it, I will continue to say it.  I am not is a popularity contest here. 

don't turn this around MM, it won't work.  trying to make me look like i said it to, does not change anything.  people already know how I feel.  where have you been?  there is nothing you can say about me that will bother me at all.  Its all part of getting to the truth in this case.  I've been that way since day one. they know I have, MB knows I have everyone knows I have.  But what people don't understand is why YOU are lying, why everyone is backstabbing each other between all of you, and now lets get the truth out here.  You can't stand KK, you said you were going over to MB's house and telling kara to leave.  remember that. 
well let me get this all off this board.  and I'll just go post it all so you can refresh your memory so you don't get caught in more lies.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

I have no idea what they are doing, but it is very possible they aren't telling MB everything that is going on.

you know klaas, this is the real problem here.  LE is not telling them everything and they all say themselves, LE is telling them very little.  Yet they all come to the board is if they know everything going on and they don't, yet they say whatever they want people on the boards to believe, and everyone just believes them, because people expect them to be telling the truth... however, these people, every one of them lie and lie, time and time again...  and le is not telling them everything.  In fact for all we know LE might even suspect one or more of them. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:19:34 PM
i m not caught in any lies,, post it,,, its what i said,,,  if she had been there i was goig to ask her to leave, however that morning she wasnt there when i got there.

the account at timberland that i set up is NOT the search fund that requires 2 accounts. you are twisting things and yet my story stays the same..  as i was explaining the 1 i started was first, and then after mb learned more about the legalities of them from LRC, they set up the reward fund and the search fund which require the 2 sigs,, i am thinking you may have posted on that on your site but i cant be sure since you banned me from your site. and again i welcome anyone to audit the account.

shouldnt you be trying to use your energy in a more positive manner. i dont quite get what youre trying to accomplish. so your thinking that if you tell mb and kk things i HAVE already said to them....... please finish that sentence


i am thinking your earlier post was referring to searching in elma today,, did i misnderstand that when you said there is buzz,,,  i called mb and ask and she siad there was nothing which i posted on here as others were asking as well


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 08:20:23 PM
lol what was i directing? i have never spoken to LE about any tips.  i posted earlier i dont believe in psychics, go read that,, youre obsession seems to be taking over. I am not lying about anything, infact you said you feel kk and jenn-0 are controlling. i have said its an unhealthy relationship and i have said that to MB as well.. i am not sure why your feelings are so hurt about this and what it is youre trying to accomplish right now... i am NOT on the search fund, those were set up after mb learned about them from lrc. did you miss me saying that?  mark isnt on anything to do with LJ or the search. the difference between me and you is i have indeed said whats on my mind to mb regarding her and KK,,, i told her i was speaking to you, told her you were going to give the info to sb since you didnt feel KK was doing anything with it,, which is when she said it was forwarded on to LE and then i said that on here earlier.. I am thinking that you should just keep on with the search stuff that you say you are having private people do and lets all hope something comes from it.


i just spoke to MB and she said there isnt anything happening differently today that is leading LE over to Elma.. not sure if thats good or bad news

I have no idea what they are doing, but it is very possible they aren't telling MB everything that is going on.

you know klaas, this is the real problem here.  LE is not telling them everything and they all say themselves, LE is telling them very little.  Yet they all come to the board is if they know everything going on and they don't, yet they say whatever they want people on the boards to believe, and everyone just believes them, because people expect them to be telling the truth... however, these people, every one of them lie and lie, time and time again...  and le is not telling them everything.  In fact for all we know LE might even suspect one or more of them. 

Exactly DD.  Also possible LE may tell them something just to see if they repeat something they were told not to.  Or they want to see who they run to tell.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:22:41 PM
oh such drama is tiring.

Ok all, I am going to close my store up a few mins earlier and head over to Melissa's for the vigil. I hope to see you locals there and whose ever idea it was earlier to light a candle even if you live far away, that was great! have a good nite


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:23:42 PM
i m not caught in any lies,, post it,,, its what i said,,,  if she had been there i was goig to ask her to leave, however that morning she wasnt there when i got there.

the account at timberland that i set up is NOT the search fund that requires 2 accounts. you are twisting things and yet my story stays the same..  as i was explaining the 1 i started was first, and then after mb learned more about the legalities of them from LRC, they set up the reward fund and the search fund which require the 2 sigs,, i am thinking you may have posted on that on your site but i cant be sure since you banned me from your site. and again i welcome anyone to audit the account.

shouldnt you be trying to use your energy in a more positive manner. i dont quite get what youre trying to accomplish. so your thinking that if you tell mb and kk things i HAVE already said to them....... please finish that sentence

i am thinking your earlier post was referring to searching in elma today,, did i misnderstand that when you said there is buzz,,,  i called mb and ask and she siad there was nothing which i posted on here as others were asking as well

so your name is on account.  What is that account for?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 08:25:53 PM
Please light a candle for Lindsey.

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=FLB


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:26:18 PM
oh such drama is tiring.

Ok all, I am going to close my store up a few mins earlier and head over to Melissa's for the vigil. I hope to see you locals there and whose ever idea it was earlier to light a candle even if you live far away, that was great! have a good nite

Lady, you may think it is drama -- it is not.  It is the quest for the truth! and to bring a precious child home!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:29:45 PM
oh such drama is tiring.

Ok all, I am going to close my store up a few mins earlier and head over to Melissa's for the vigil. I hope to see you locals there and whose ever idea it was earlier to light a candle even if you live far away, that was great! have a good nite

you told me they changed the times because they wanted to save face they aren't good mothers letting lindsey leave like that... oh yes you said that too

still skirting the issue of the account... believe, I have the email.  I will get it out here. I will post it all over on my board, so this board can have some peace.  they all can read it and bring it all over to use for discussion if they would like, or they can all ignore it if they like.  it is PART OF THE CASE...who is credible and who is not... if everyone controlling the searches, the money etc, are all liars, and if they lies point to also lying to LE, very much a part of this case.  so have a nice night... hope you sleep well


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 08:30:23 PM
Idon't want to fuel any fires here, but I know first hand that LRC is not handling any search funds in this case. I know because I specifically asked LRC. Why?  Because I was working directly with LRC on funding the search. I don't know why LRC seemed, to me, to distance itself from this effort after it participated in the search a few weeks back. But it caused me to pause. While I'd do anything within my ability to help Lindsey, the level of trust I have for anyone in McCleary is about as low as it could get. I might be wrong about all of it, but it's my gut feeling, and I have to go with it. Sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:30:58 PM
Sister,  that was the first account, it was set up for donations right after LJ went missing. Its at timberland bank which is a local bank. As time went on and we learned more about how to run things, the other 2 accounts were set up at sterling. All 3 are available for donations. There isn’t a timberland bank in McCleary, only a sterling. So my guess is that is why sterling was chosen and they also are a regional bank with more locations where as timberland is not.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:33:54 PM
i didnt say lrc is handeling the account, and if that is how it was interpretted my bad, i guess i should of said more like this 'after mb was educatied about these kinds of things by lrc and klaas that is when they set up the accts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:34:03 PM
Sister,  that was the first account, it was set up for donations right after LJ went missing. Its at timberland bank which is a local bank. As time went on and we learned more about how to run things, the other 2 accounts were set up at sterling. All 3 are available for donations. There isn’t a timberland bank in McCleary, only a sterling. So my guess is that is why sterling was chosen and they also are a regional bank with more locations where as timberland is not.

What is the first account for?  What have the funds been used for?  Isn't your name on this first account?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:36:58 PM
Sister,  that was the first account, it was set up for donations right after LJ went missing. Its at timberland bank which is a local bank. As time went on and we learned more about how to run things, the other 2 accounts were set up at sterling. All 3 are available for donations. There isn’t a timberland bank in McCleary, only a sterling. So my guess is that is why sterling was chosen and they also are a regional bank with more locations where as timberland is not.

mb told me that you were transferring the funds out of the account to persona accounts and they froze the account.  now is she lying?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
sister have u read my other posts about this account,, i have said i set it up, my name is on it, i did the legal paperwork,, i posted about it a couple pages back.


ok now customers are gone so i can close. prayers for lindsey and a good turn out tonite!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 08:38:15 PM
That wasn't really the point of my post. Again, I don't want to point fingers, indict anyone, take sides, etc. Things are tough enough in McCleary to begin with. But I just thought it was odd that LRC seemed to back out as quickly as I became involved. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I was told they are remaining active in assisting LE. But I was also told that they have no intentions at this point of returning to Washington. Again, I just found that a bit odd.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:41:54 PM
the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something. a deposit was made in the account and the bank wasnt open. mb came and got the money from me directly since i hadnt made my store deposit so i put that exact amount in my store deposit to make up the difference.




thats the problem when 5 different people tell the same story,,,,,, remember that game we use to play as kids,,, where you whisper something in the ear of someone and by the time it gets to the end the phrase 'eat worms with ketchup' somehow turns into lick dogs in chocolate? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:42:03 PM
still looking as I have literally over 1000 emails... but here is part of the discussion with kara about this account mess between mb and mm

from kara

Hey - I just wanted to tell you that I did not spill the beans to Melissa Baum - I actually spoke to MB before I got your email telling me who it was cause she showed up over here and as soon as I mentioned the part of Scott talking to PD and wanting to take Josh she knew instantly who it was that was talking to you. Apparently she had an argument with MM the night before last regarding her lack of involvement or care in Lindsey's disappearance and told MM that she needed to close down the account that MM set up that no one else has access to and is already being monitored by the IRS and all online transactions froze because she was transferring funds from that account into her personal account and then they apparently had words over me - which just so you know MM does not know me - she's met me maybe 6 times and never for longer than a few minutes.

She's a royal selfish bitch and if she keeps it up her boyfriend is going to find out that ((edit personal information unrelated to case)) - lol and see how that sits with him. In all honesty she is jealous because for some time she is the closest person (distance wise) for MB to call and now with me around and willing to actually take part in anything Lindsey related she really rarely even speaks to MM and MM has not even bothered to come down here since that first 1.5 weeks after LB went missing except for once to try and talk MB out of her phone plan as mentioned in the previous email.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 26, 2009, 08:42:53 PM
hmmmm i dont know anything about that jess,,, and if that is the case then it is sad..



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 08:43:04 PM
i learned long ago never to say anything i wouldnt say to anyone else,, those who know me know i am direct and dont hold back. i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing. i havent incrimated myself. i wasnt there, i had nothing to do with it, no information that could of been helpful regarding it. i hadnt seen MB for weeks prior to LJ going missing. i am not part of the inner crowd as u say. i am not friends with kk, never met jenn-o til yesterday and didnt really talk to her as i was there for mb. its sad you feel your hard work didnt go anywhere and you feel whatever you told kk didnt get passed on. I am not her, i cant tell you what she did or didnt do, i only know what mb tells me when i asked her about it and she said it was passed on.  not sure how you got that i didnt like you out of what i said but thats not the case. many times i said u are appreciated and i have passed on a few things to sb that you relayed to me. would be nice if one of us could go sit in with LE for the day and see just what exactly it is they are doing and how they handle everything that comes to them. then maybe we would have a better understanding instead of just our speculations.

i too hope very soon it comes out as to where lindsey is and what happened. lindsey, melissa, and josh will all need counceling and support to get through this tragic experience so they can come out on the brighter side of the rainbow. i hold out great hope for this case to end soon!


 ::MonkeyShocked::

Melissa ... what changing stories?  Have you discussed Melissa Baum's changing stories with LE?

Janet

oops sorry i missed answer that. changing stories just meaning it went from 9 45 to 9 30 to 9 15.  i guess its hard to know exactly what time everything was occuring as no one had any idea this was going to happen.  is it 4 blocks, 8 blocks,, did a witness see LJ walkin home or just the witness seeing them walk to MK's. i dont recall what my kids wore yesterday, what time they jumped on the trampoline, ect and if something happened i dont know that i could give exacts either. media has also changed things. i too questioned why LJ was out alone at that time, and stated to MB that regardless how it may make others think of her, we have to have as close to exacts as possible as there could be a different witness at 9 14 than at 9 45.

i sid they all would need counceling including lindsey. i put her name first as she is most important. i hope they find her alive! do i think she is? well it didnt look good based on so many things but this weekend is reinstalling hopes

Melissa

1.  What were the changing stories put forth by Melissa Baum.  The examples you gave are references when Lindsey left the Kampen/Williams residence?

2.  If the witness sightings are credible ... do you not think it would be unlikely that Kara Kampen and Scott Williams could be considered persons of interest?

3.  What part of this weekend's search is providing you with hope that Lindsey will be found alive?

Thanks Janet

Janet

++++++++

Search warrants issued in Lindsey Baum disappearance
Story Published: Sep 25, 2009 at 11:06 AM PDT
Story Updated: Sep 25, 2009 at 1:36 PM PDT

 
Article and Video:

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/61475637.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 08:44:16 PM
the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something. a deposit was made in the account and the bank wasnt open. mb came and got the money from me directly since i hadnt made my store deposit so i put that exact amount in my store deposit to make up the difference.




thats the problem when 5 different people tell the same story,,,,,, remember that game we use to play as kids,,, where you whisper something in the ear of someone and by the time it gets to the end the phrase 'eat worms with ketchup' somehow turns into lick dogs in chocolate? 

sure !!!  ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:45:24 PM
That wasn't really the point of my post. Again, I don't want to point fingers, indict anyone, take sides, etc. Things are tough enough in McCleary to begin with. But I just thought it was odd that LRC seemed to back out as quickly as I became involved. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I was told they are remaining active in assisting LE. But I was also told that they have no intentions at this point of returning to Washington. Again, I just found that a bit odd.


Jess, a couple of things.  If a person sets up an account for the benefit of someone else, isn't there a fiduciary responsibility as this is viewed as in trust?  Isn't this also accountable to the IRS?  I hope I'm asking correctly.
Second, with all these people posting stuff over all the net, it doesn't surprise me that LRC is not willing to have their reputation tarnished or trashed.  People doing searches under them are obligated to remain silent and to my knowledge sign a document to that effect.  When you can read about the searches over the internet, I can't believe LRC is thrilled which is why I would guess they will work with LE on this case and not the others.  Very sad for Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 08:47:17 PM
still looking as I have literally over 1000 emails... but here is part of the discussion with kara about this account mess between mb and mm

from kara

Hey - I just wanted to tell you that I did not spill the beans to Melissa Baum - I actually spoke to MB before I got your email telling me who it was cause she showed up over here and as soon as I mentioned the part of Scott talking to PD and wanting to take Josh she knew instantly who it was that was talking to you. Apparently she had an argument with MM the night before last regarding her lack of involvement or care in Lindsey's disappearance and told MM that she needed to close down the account that MM set up that no one else has access to and is already being monitored by the IRS and all online transactions froze because she was transferring funds from that account into her personal account and then they apparently had words over me - which just so you know MM does not know me - she's met me maybe 6 times and never for longer than a few minutes.

She's a royal selfish bitch and if she keeps it up her boyfriend is going to find out ((edit personal information unrelated to case))- lol and see how that sits with him. In all honesty she is jealous because for some time she is the closest person (distance wise) for MB to call and now with me around and willing to actually take part in anything Lindsey related she really rarely even speaks to MM and MM has not even bothered to come down here since that first 1.5 weeks after LB went missing except for once to try and talk MB out of her phone plan as mentioned in the previous email.


 ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 08:51:19 PM
That wasn't really the point of my post. Again, I don't want to point fingers, indict anyone, take sides, etc. Things are tough enough in McCleary to begin with. But I just thought it was odd that LRC seemed to back out as quickly as I became involved. Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I was told they are remaining active in assisting LE. But I was also told that they have no intentions at this point of returning to Washington. Again, I just found that a bit odd.


Very odd


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 08:54:07 PM
Sister, it all depends on how the account is set up with the financial institution. If it's set up in a person's name only (ie, the account holder), then there is no "fiduciary duty" because there is no official "for the benfit of" meaning no legal trust has been established.  Rather, it's an account based on an "honor system." You give the money to the account holder, aned hope he/she uses it the way he/she represented.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 08:57:34 PM
Idon't want to fuel any fires here, but I know first hand that LRC is not handling any search funds in this case. I know because I specifically asked LRC. Why?  Because I was working directly with LRC on funding the search. I don't know why LRC seemed, to me, to distance itself from this effort after it participated in the search a few weeks back. But it caused me to pause. While I'd do anything within my ability to help Lindsey, the level of trust I have for anyone in McCleary is about as low as it could get. I might be wrong about all of it, but it's my gut feeling, and I have to go with it. Sorry.

JessStar ... what/who is LRC.

Thanks

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 08:58:25 PM
Sister, it all depends on how the account is set up with the financial institution. If it's set up in a person's name only (ie, the account holder), then there is no "fiduciary duty" because there is no official "for the benfit of" meaning no legal trust has been established.  Rather, it's an account based on an "honor system." You give the money to the account holder, aned hope he/she uses it the way he/she represented.


Thank you.  I understand.  Fiduciary=accountable  honor=?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:00:33 PM
Janet, that's Laura Recovery Center, the group that worked with KlaasKids in putting the recent search together.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 09:04:16 PM
Sister, it all depends on how the account is set up with the financial institution. If it's set up in a person's name only (ie, the account holder), then there is no "fiduciary duty" because there is no official "for the benfit of" meaning no legal trust has been established.  Rather, it's an account based on an "honor system." You give the money to the account holder, aned hope he/she uses it the way he/she represented.


when this account was first set up no one even realized what is was for.  People were sending money thinking to help for lindsey.  then one day, one of them call it the popouri fund.  I thought what the heck does that mean.  I remember asking and was told it was for whatever mb wanted to spend it on for herself.  I thought wow, that is the ONLY account they have and how many people are sending money to that not knowing where it is going.  Then I find out mb says MM is trasferring money out of it to MM's personal accounts. 

I am telling you.  this has been a real nightmare.  I would have tried to continue to find out more but I just could no longer stand to keep up this craziness with all of them in order to find out more.  no telling how much worse it would have become, but I need a break from this crap.  now its time to get all the info out here, and sort through it, and get it all organized and sent to fbi.  I know there are so many lies and so much info in this mess, someone needs to know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 09:06:15 PM
Janet, that's Laura Recovery Center, the group that worked with KlaasKids in putting the recent search together.

O/T

hi jess, is that Nevaeh's new flyer/poster?  is that uploaded somewhere?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 09:07:36 PM
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the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something.
a deposit was made in the account and the bank wasnt open. mb came and got the money from me directly since i hadnt made my store deposit so i put that exact amount in my store deposit to make up the difference.




thats the problem when 5 different people tell the same story,,,,,, remember that game we use to play as kids,,, where you whisper something in the ear of someone and by the time it gets to the end the phrase 'eat worms with ketchup' somehow turns into lick dogs in chocolate? 
do what?  so what was that account? searching? recovering?
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the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something.

from what i understand there are 3 different accounts..??  who knows maybe 2?  but which one and for what  (what was the money for?)

i just so confuzzled.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:07:53 PM
Sister, when one owes another a fiduciary duty, it's one of the highest duties recognized under the law. For example, the trustee owes the trust and its beneficiaries the fiduciary duty to carry out the will of the trust. So if you set up an account "sister in trust for john doe," the account must be used only for the reasons specified in the john doe trust. To use it otherwise has not only criminal implications, it also has civil implications as the trustee would be liable for misused funds to both the trust and its beneficiaries. That's the short, quick and dirty answer.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:13:17 PM
Yes DD it is!  If you go to the Nevaeh cage, it's in the New $20000 Reward Poster thread. We've gotten tremendous media support for it. It's all over Monroe, Toledo, Detroit, and the surrounding areas. In fact, many TV stations picked it up, reported on it, and have it posted on their websites. My info suggests that it is working, and tips are starting to come in once again. I am very, very proud of it and everyone that I am working with to get it out there. We've distributed over 1500 of them over the course of the last few days.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 09:13:41 PM
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the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something.
a deposit was made in the account and the bank wasnt open. mb came and got the money from me directly since i hadnt made my store deposit so i put that exact amount in my store deposit to make up the difference.




thats the problem when 5 different people tell the same story,,,,,, remember that game we use to play as kids,,, where you whisper something in the ear of someone and by the time it gets to the end the phrase 'eat worms with ketchup' somehow turns into lick dogs in chocolate? 
do what?  so what was that account? searching? recovering?
Quote
the account has never been frozen. it was online banking that was frozen, i guesss she misunderstood or something.

from what i understand there are 3 different accounts..??  who knows maybe 2?  but which one and for what  (what was the money for?)

i just so confuzzled.
if i didn't know better i would say that the above is cleaning cash.  (even if not the intention) jmo


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:16:54 PM
Janet, that's Laura Recovery Center, the group that worked with KlaasKids in putting the recent search together.

Thanks.

Those who support and/or are interested in supporting the various ministries within our church receive upon request or ... once a year ... a financial statement.  All deposits to the accounts and withdrawals are itemized.  This avoids any misunderstandings and ... also the individual donor can make a personal decision if contributing to the ministry is worth parting with his hard earned bucks.  It is called good stewardship.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 09:17:17 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:19:58 PM
And just so I can clear any POTENTIAL misunderstanding, any funds donated to LRC for Lindsey were used for that exact purpose. Again, I know because I asked, and they provided me with a itemization of the type you mention, Janet. They are a top notch group that I have no issues with supporting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 09:21:23 PM
Yes DD it is!  If you go to the Nevaeh cage, it's in the New $20000 Reward Poster thread. We've gotten tremendous media support for it. It's all over Monroe, Toledo, Detroit, and the surrounding areas. In fact, many TV stations picked it up, reported on it, and have it posted on their websites. My info suggests that it is working, and tips are starting to come in once again. I am very, very proud of it and everyone that I am working with to get it out there. We've distributed over 1500 of them over the course of the last few days.

wow that is so cool, if I ever get a little time I will read up on the case more.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:21:54 PM
Yes DD it is!  If you go to the Nevaeh cage, it's in the New $20000 Reward Poster thread. We've gotten tremendous media support for it. It's all over Monroe, Toledo, Detroit, and the surrounding areas. In fact, many TV stations picked it up, reported on it, and have it posted on their websites. My info suggests that it is working, and tips are starting to come in once again. I am very, very proud of it and everyone that I am working with to get it out there. We've distributed over 1500 of them over the course of the last few days.

 ::MonkeyAngel::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 09:23:33 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 09:23:56 PM
No breakthroughs in Lindsey's case.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.komonews.com/news/61962227.html?video=YHI&t=a



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:24:45 PM
Thanks DD. It's where I'm spending all my time lately. Nevaeh was only 5 when she was abducted and murdered on Memorial Day. Her killer still remains at large. And I will not rest until he/she is caught.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:26:02 PM
And just so I can clear any POTENTIAL misunderstanding, any funds donated to LRC for Lindsey were used for that exact purpose. Again, I know because I asked, and they provided me with a itemization of the type you mention, Janet. They are a top notch group that I have no issues with supporting.

JessStar

Are these three funds associated with LRC?

Janet

++++++

JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
No breakthroughs in Lindsey's case.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.komonews.com/news/61962227.html?video=YHI&t=a



Thanks Karma.

 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:29:14 PM
O/T:  I know Lindsey and Haleigh have been generating a lot of activity lately, but if my Fellow Monkeys and guests get a few seconds, please stop over the Nevaeh cage and check out the reward poster and some of the media links it generated. It's proof positive that you don't have to be law enforcement, or liver in the affected neighborhood, to make a difference. It's really quite energizing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:30:30 PM
NO!  None of those funds were associated with LRC. LRC took care of its own fund.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 26, 2009, 09:32:45 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?
You're welcome Sister
I think the info about all of the funds can be found at Lindsey's web sites.

http://findlindseybaum.com/

http://findlindseybaum.com/1915.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:32:47 PM
Search for Lindsey Baum  

When:

Saturday and Sunday (Sept 12 and 13)
8:30 am to 4:30 pm

Where:

Beerbower Park
Downtown McCleary Next to City Hall

Dress:

Dress for the weather and wear comfortable
shoes. Long sleeves and pants suggested.

Bring:

If you have; flash light, cell phone, walkie talkies,
garmen or gps devices, backpack to carry water
and snacks.

We will also need a few people to work at the center, so if you
aren’t able to search, we can still use your help.


For more information or any questions  
contact us on our
website: http://www.findlindseybaum.com

donations can be made for the search at any Sterling Savings bank.. be sure and tell them it's for the LINDSEY BAUM SEARCH FUND

Directly from Melissa Baum

Thank you all for your continued support in the effort to find my daughter Lindsey Jo Baum. I am attaching a flyer with info on the search we are doing this weekend. If you could help us get the info out there. It's same as before, we need searchers. We can also use the same donations as last time: drinks, snacks, food, copy paper, papertowels, toilet paper. We will have an rv set up this time at the park next to city hall as we have been unable to get a building for this weekend but are still doing the search.
If you have any questions feel free to contact myself (Melissa Baum): at 360-495-3400 Home 360-470-3726 cell or Kara Kampen at 360-861-8072.___________________________________

This is From Kara to JenniferO/passed on to DD to post - Highlighted by DD


SEARCH FUND INFORMATION FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ASKING

Account Type: Dual Signature with Unrelated Third Party Monitoring

Again this is a COPY and PASTE of an email sent to me by Kara.

I am a signer as is A*****. She is not family. I believe she is an acquaintance of Melissa's but I asked her to be a signer because she handled the last money raised at the fundraiser that was strictly to go for the family (before the search center and not associated with an account) and she was very thorough and by the book. Every penny had to be accounted for before she would dole it out. Marc Klaas and Brad Dennis both met her and were both really impressed with her.  

Also - we set up the account so that no one person can make a withdrawal  - two signatures are required for ALL transactions and all withdrawals have to be logged and backed up by receipts. Copies kept personally and a copy kept at the bank. Which I believe is part of the third party monitoring.

A and I are also the signers on the reward account which is set up the same way so that money can not be withdrawn by any one individual and not unless the reward is being paid out in full.

I am not sure who to have them talk to but FBI is aware of it and was there the day it was set up and they affirmed that they monitor them as well as the IRS  just so nothing hinky can take place. I know there are concerns about the money being used for personal reasons but the account was set up solely for search so MB nor A nor I can access it for any other reason. We set it up the way that we did based on what we were told by LRC and FBI on how it had to be handled and MB is not privvy to the deposits made to it or the statements but other agencies involved  are so it will be being watched like a hawk.

Not sure that helps or is even explanatory enough - but I can promise you no one with access to the money in either account would touch it for any reason other than what it was set up for.

Let me know if you need to know anything else about it. I believe the info that I just gave you can also be gotten if they were to call McCleary Sterling Savings and talk to the branch manager. I believe she can at least divulge the basics of the account. Just not the personal info attached to it.

_____________________________________


BUMPED


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 09:33:26 PM
And just so I can clear any POTENTIAL misunderstanding, any funds donated to LRC for Lindsey were used for that exact purpose. Again, I know because I asked, and they provided me with a itemization of the type you mention, Janet. They are a top notch group that I have no issues with supporting.

Thanks again.  I know I have an account "for the benefit of" and brother, every penny better be for the benefit of or they will put your put in jail for this.  No misunderstanding, no I didn't know, in the slammer and then you make license plates to pay it off.  There is an accounting every year and if you can't account . . . man.  They audit these accounts too, which I have very very glad.  Keeps most people honest.
I just didn't know if you opened an account with someone else's name on it and didn't use it for that someone else . . . but it may have to say "for the benefit of" or "in trust" or some other legal verbage.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 09:34:57 PM
NO!  None of those funds were associated with LRC. LRC took care of its own fund.

Then there were four separate Lindsey fund that donors could choose to donate to?  Have I got that right?

Thanks JessStar.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 09:39:57 PM
NO!  None of those funds were associated with LRC. LRC took care of its own fund.

None of the funds in the search fund are associated with LRC?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 09:42:51 PM
No breakthroughs in Lindsey's case.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::


http://www.komonews.com/news/61962227.html?video=YHI&t=a





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 09:43:13 PM
When LRC and KlassKids announced their involvement and that they would be heading a search in McCleary, they also announced that they were setting up a donor fund for people to donate to that search effort. They were asking principally for goods and services (that is, paper, copier, searchers, water, snacks and so forth), but also needed money. That fund was in addition to whatever funds were set up locally, and was accounted for by LRC. So it was entirely separate from whatever accounts were set up at the time locally (whether it was 1 account, 2 accounts, or 50000 accounts (lol)) and was used stricly by LRC for the benefit of Lindsey's search effort. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 09:51:11 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?

yes that is right, it was the only one and linked as to help for lindsey.  I had linked it from my site and had no idea till one of them came and called it a popouri fund.  I did not know what that meant.  then found out later for mb for whatever.  then they set up the other accounts


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 09:56:55 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?

yes that is right, it was the only one and linked as to help for lindsey.  I had linked it from my site and had no idea till one of them came and called it a popouri fund.  I did not know what that meant.  then found out later for mb for whatever.  then they set up the other accounts

omg, potpouri -- that's misrepresentation, but probably like JessStar said, honor system only -- how cruel to fool the public like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 09:58:06 PM
When LRC and KlassKids announced their involvement and that they would be heading a search in McCleary, they also announced that they were setting up a donor fund for people to donate to that search effort. They were asking principally for goods and services (that is, paper, copier, searchers, water, snacks and so forth), but also needed money. That fund was in addition to whatever funds were set up locally, and was accounted for by LRC. So it was entirely separate from whatever accounts were set up at the time locally (whether it was 1 account, 2 accounts, or 50000 accounts (lol)) and was used stricly by LRC for the benefit of Lindsey's search effort. 

there was no money in the local search fund, remember I was very worried about that and was trying to raise funds to help, but you said LRC would have a sustancial donation so I would not worry about trying to raise funds.  So all of that was paid for by LRC... so that means there has not been any money in the search fund.  the next time they said there was no money in the search fund so, if people donated, which accounts did it go to... if they did not donate directly to LRC, and instead donated to the other 3 accounts, which did they donate to, obviously if there was never any money in the search fund, then it must have went to the popouri account??? 

I really don't know...but it seems to me it is time to have an accounting. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 10:00:12 PM
O/T:  I know Lindsey and Haleigh have been generating a lot of activity lately, but if my Fellow Monkeys and guests get a few seconds, please stop over the Nevaeh cage and check out the reward poster and some of the media links it generated. It's proof positive that you don't have to be law enforcement, or liver in the affected neighborhood, to make a difference. It's really quite energizing.

Amazing!  Good job!
 ::MonkeyJustice::
liver, I hate liver
 ::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 10:02:45 PM
I'm not sure how that worked locally, DD. My "guess" is that the donor would need to earmark what account they wanted their money to be deposited into.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 10:09:48 PM
Haa haa, sister. Thanks for making fun of my typo!  :)  goes to show you it's not easy posting from a blackberry!

I wouldn't jump to conclusions and call the potpourri fund misleading without knowing more. I think everyone had good intentions. You're talking about people who never ever had to deal with anything like this before. People who may not have had very much disposable income to begin with. And now they are faced with searching for their missing child. How do you deal with that? How do you deal with the financial repercussions of not being able to work because of the emotional trauma caused by having your child missing?  So I would be cautious about jumping the gun. Although, based on the charcters involved in this Shalespearean tragedy, I can fully understand the cynicism. I have it myself, as I said earlier.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 10:14:25 PM
JessStar, I certainly appreciate what you are saying.  If it's going to be to help MelissaB, that's ok, God knows she has needed it.  All I am suggesting is call it what it is.  If it is being used to help her survive as best she can, again, that's ok.  I just have a problem with calling it one thing and using it for something else.  Even if the need changed, that's ok too, just be honest about it.  But, that's just me.

liver
I hate liver
::MonkeyDebonaire::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 10:15:00 PM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?

yes that is right, it was the only one and linked as to help for lindsey.  I had linked it from my site and had no idea till one of them came and called it a popouri fund.  I did not know what that meant.  then found out later for mb for whatever.  then they set up the other accounts

omg, potpouri -- that's misrepresentation, but probably like JessStar said, honor system only -- how cruel to fool the public like that.

To avoid any misunderstands ... to avoid being scammed ... I now ask the hard questions prior to donating an amount larger than $10.00 to any fund.  I have learned to remind myself that we have all been blessed not only with a willing heart but with the ability to decern.

I have learned through personal experience.  Two years ago ... I ended up unintentionally contributing substantially to furthering an agenda ... an agenda that I opposed ... an agenda that was preventing justice from prevailing for a missing 18 year old American named Natalee Holloway.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - ROV OPERATOR AND ANALYST - THE PERSISTENCE

Kyle Kingman - In His Own Words

Kyle Kingman:
  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed. Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 10:17:03 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 10:18:50 PM
JessStar, I certainly appreciate what you are saying.  If it's going to be to help MelissaB, that's ok, God knows she has needed it.  All I am suggesting is call it what it is.  If it is being used to help her survive as best she can, again, that's ok.  I just have a problem with calling it one thing and using it for something else.  Even if the need changed, that's ok too, just be honest about it.  But, that's just me.

liver
I hate liver
::MonkeyDebonaire::

No sister, you are RIGHT on with that.  I agree 150%.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 26, 2009, 10:19:27 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.


No Rose, I am as well. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 10:24:13 PM
JessStar, I certainly appreciate what you are saying.  If it's going to be to help MelissaB, that's ok, God knows she has needed it.  All I am suggesting is call it what it is.  If it is being used to help her survive as best she can, again, that's ok.  I just have a problem with calling it one thing and using it for something else.  Even if the need changed, that's ok too, just be honest about it.  But, that's just me.

liver
I hate liver
::MonkeyDebonaire::

No sister, you are RIGHT on with that.  I agree 150%.


No me.  I love liver.

  ::MonkeyTease::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 10:25:11 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 26, 2009, 10:27:41 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!


Hey sister . . . . . .    ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 10:30:42 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!
Have a good evening, I sure hope you are right.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 26, 2009, 10:31:25 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!


Hey sister . . . . . .    ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Liver = :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker:
me going to send all my liver to Janet
 :smt045
night guys
 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 26, 2009, 10:33:11 PM
I'm not sure how that worked locally, DD. My "guess" is that the donor would need to earmark what account they wanted their money to be deposited into.

in the beginning there was only one account.  So everything would have went there.  that would be the account they later refered to as the popouri account.  That is the one MM had set up. 

then they changed and set up a search fund and a reward fund. 

and I lost track after that what they were doing, as I knew LRC was involved and assumed they were taking care of things becaue there were no funds in the local search fund. 

ok well I will let someone else try to figure this all out. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 10:35:53 PM
i was just wondering if it was possible to edit something in karak's email that dd posted that i believe is inappropriate for the forum as it pertains to a private medical issue that karak appeared to be mocking in her email


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
 ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 26, 2009, 10:38:02 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!


Hey sister . . . . . .    ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Liver = :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker:
me going to send all my liver to Janet
 :smt045
night guys
 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015

.... with fried onions and real bacon bits along with mashed potatoes and everything  smothered in dark gravey.  A warmed sissor bun for dipping would be nice.

Good Night All!

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 26, 2009, 10:45:33 PM
Wow, after coming back and catching up, I am speechless. What is really going on here, poor little Lindsey, thanks for all the info, I am very disturbed by it.

No Rose, I am as well. 

I believe the truth is about to surface.
going to take my liver thoughts to bed.
God Bless Lindsey Baum!


Hey sister . . . . . .    ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue:: ::MonkeyTease:: ::MonkeyTongue::

Liver = :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker: :pukel: :puker:
me going to send all my liver to Janet
 :smt045
night guys
 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015 :smt015

.... with fried onions and real bacon bits along with mashed potatoes and everything  smothered in dark gravey.  A warmed sissor bun for dipping would be nice.

Good Night All!

Janet

good night. :smt015


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 10:51:57 PM
i was just wondering if it was possible to edit something in karak's email that dd posted that i believe is inappropriate for the forum as it pertains to a private medical issue that karak appeared to be mocking in her email

Can you give me the link to the post you are referring to please?  I'll take a look and see if I think it's OK to edit it.  In general NO to editing except in special circumstances.  But if I know which post I'll check.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 11:03:19 PM
i was just wondering if it was possible to edit something in karak's email that dd posted that i believe is inappropriate for the forum as it pertains to a private medical issue that karak appeared to be mocking in her email

Can you give me the link to the post you are referring to please?  I'll take a look and see if I think it's OK to edit it.  In general NO to editing except in special circumstances.  But if I know which post I'll check.

KLAAS, I think it is on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1560


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 11:14:37 PM
i was just wondering if it was possible to edit something in karak's email that dd posted that i believe is inappropriate for the forum as it pertains to a private medical issue that karak appeared to be mocking in her email

Can you give me the link to the post you are referring to please?  I'll take a look and see if I think it's OK to edit it.  In general NO to editing except in special circumstances.  But if I know which post I'll check.

KLAAS, I think it is on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1560

Thanks, I did edit it out and replace with this:

((edit personal information unrelated to case))


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:14:39 PM
RSO Jessy D Braun 100 block of Heslep Lane...that is right there off of Foreman Rd.         Indecent liberties, and he is very young looking, I just saw this on WS. Maybe we have discussed him in the past, I don't remember, but when I saw his picture, I thought my goodness how young, now I wonder about this person. Someone like this could come up to a young girl like Lindsey and start flirting, and a young girl could be flattered, and if he offered her a ride she might not think twice about it. There is a pic of him on WS but I don't know how to bring that over.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 11:19:25 PM
kAAS, is it now ok to discuss names of people's property when the LE searches are been done with the warrants, or should we still hold information?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 11:20:50 PM
klaas, is it now ok to discuss names of people's property when the LE searches are been done with the warrants, or should we still hold information?

Self edit Klaas, sorry. I'm getting tired.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:21:22 PM
kAAS, is it now ok to discuss names of people's property when the LE searches are been done with the warrants, or should we still hold information?
Oh dear, I hope what I just posted I shouldn't have. If I shouldn't have I'm sorry. I was shocked at how young this person looked, and have no idea if his house or land was searched  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 11:23:51 PM
kAAS, is it now ok to discuss names of people's property when the LE searches are been done with the warrants, or should we still hold information?
Oh dear, I hope what I just posted I shouldn't have. If I shouldn't have I'm sorry. I was shocked at how young this person looked, and have no idea if his house or land was searched  ::MonkeyEek::

I wasn't saying you couldn't, I was just wondering after today and all has transpired it we can discuss property owners. I saw Northern Rose here just a minute ago, and she had some info last night. I just wished to know what it was, if it was ok.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 11:34:26 PM
i was just wondering if it was possible to edit something in karak's email that dd posted that i believe is inappropriate for the forum as it pertains to a private medical issue that karak appeared to be mocking in her email

Can you give me the link to the post you are referring to please?  I'll take a look and see if I think it's OK to edit it.  In general NO to editing except in special circumstances.  But if I know which post I'll check.

KLAAS, I think it is on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5810.1560

Thanks, I did edit it out and replace with this:

((edit personal information unrelated to case))

thank you klaas


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: darla on September 26, 2009, 11:34:35 PM
Good Evening Monkeys, Have not kept up with Lindsey, so came over to read and catch up. I think I will slink back out.  God Bless this sweet lil girl.

What is our world coming to? I will probably get nanners thrown, but so be it. Has it come to the point that if you need money , you kill your kid, so the donations start pouring in? Because it is sure starting to look that way on alot of missing kids sites.

God Bless this sweet Angel and pray that she is found soon.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:35:45 PM
kAAS, is it now ok to discuss names of people's property when the LE searches are been done with the warrants, or should we still hold information?
Oh dear, I hope what I just posted I shouldn't have. If I shouldn't have I'm sorry. I was shocked at how young this person looked, and have no idea if his house or land was searched  ::MonkeyEek::

I wasn't saying you couldn't, I was just wondering after today and all has transpired it we can discuss property owners. I saw Northern Rose here just a minute ago, and she had some info last night. I just wished to know what it was, if it was ok.
Oh, okay, I just wondered, we probably talked about this person before, I can't remember, but I could sure see if a kid like that would ask Lindsey or another girl for a ride how one might take a ride from him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:37:09 PM
Good Evening Monkeys, Have not kept up with Lindsey, so came over to read and catch up. I think I will slink back out.  God Bless this sweet lil girl.

What is our world coming to? I will probably get nanners thrown, but so be it. Has it come to the point that if you need money , you kill your kid, so the donations start pouring in? Because it is sure starting to look that way on alot of missing kids sites.

God Bless this sweet Angel and pray that she is found soon.
I have been thinking about that lately, sad it seems that way in some cases, I just don't know what to think about that, it is so wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 26, 2009, 11:37:18 PM
I believe the problem was that DD didn't want people to go crazy over where they were searching and that it pertained to some SM members that had posted here.  I also believe that some of the possible names have already been posted and I don't think this RSO is one of them.

That said, I have no problem with posting the info on a RSO that lives in the area that they are searching.  I believe it could pertain to the case and if it doesn't he is still a RSO.  His name and face are public knowledge to anyone researching sex offenders in that area.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:38:07 PM
I believe the problem was that DD didn't want people to go crazy over where they were searching and that it pertained to some SM members that had posted here.  I also believe that some of the possible names have already been posted and I don't think this RSO is one of them.

That said, I have no problem with posting the info on a RSO that lives in the area that they are searching.  I believe it could pertain to the case and if it doesn't he is still a RSO.  His name and face are public knowledge to anyone researching sex offenders in that area.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 26, 2009, 11:43:15 PM
RSO Jessy D Braun 100 block of Heslep Lane...that is right there off of Foreman Rd.         Indecent liberties, and he is very young looking, I just saw this on WS. Maybe we have discussed him in the past, I don't remember, but when I saw his picture, I thought my goodness how young, now I wonder about this person. Someone like this could come up to a young girl like Lindsey and start flirting, and a young girl could be flattered, and if he offered her a ride she might not think twice about it. There is a pic of him on WS but I don't know how to bring that over.

yes, i believe we talked about this person previously when discussing all of the RSO's in the area, however i dont know if anyone from the board looked at him in depth.




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 26, 2009, 11:45:06 PM
I don't know why but I am starting to get the feeling that a group of locals may have sent LE on a wild goose chase this week-end regarding people that they do not like. I really hope I am wrong on that. I so desperately want them to get answers.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:46:23 PM
RSO Jessy D Braun 100 block of Heslep Lane...that is right there off of Foreman Rd.         Indecent liberties, and he is very young looking, I just saw this on WS. Maybe we have discussed him in the past, I don't remember, but when I saw his picture, I thought my goodness how young, now I wonder about this person. Someone like this could come up to a young girl like Lindsey and start flirting, and a young girl could be flattered, and if he offered her a ride she might not think twice about it. There is a pic of him on WS but I don't know how to bring that over.

yes, i believe we talked about this person previously when discussing all of the RSO's in the area, however i dont know if anyone from the board looked at him in depth.



Thanks, interesting, the link to his charges wouldn't work for me, so I'm guessing at his age, which I'm not good at, but I don't think he is older then 21 or he just has a young face.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 26, 2009, 11:47:03 PM
I don't know why but I am starting to get the feeling that a group of locals may have sent LE on a wild goose chase this week-end regarding people that they do not like. I really hope I am wrong on that. I so desperately want them to get answers.
Sure does seem that way to me also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 26, 2009, 11:53:42 PM
I know that DD had a specific place in mind and how to get there with just a couple of people and I was wondering if any of the search warrants are sending LE in that direction? Now they are covering a bunch of them, I hope that is one they are looking at. I know we all feel this is much to long for Lindsey to be gone, and she needs to be found before winter. It will soon be too late, and I feel there should be every person, every piece of equipment to be use to find her. The winter with it's treacherous snow will be on Washington soon. DD is right, time is of the essence.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 26, 2009, 11:54:54 PM
I don't know why but I am starting to get the feeling that a group of locals may have sent LE on a wild goose chase this week-end regarding people that they do not like. I really hope I am wrong on that. I so desperately want them to get answers.
Sure does seem that way to me also.

I was also wondering the same thing...but then I think the judge signing the warrant had to have seen probable cause.  I could be wrong, anyone know?   
Anyway, as this day has worn on, my thoughts have gone where yours has also.  I pray to God Lindsey is found soon. 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 12:07:11 AM
JESSY D. BRAUN

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 12:14:10 AM
I don't know why but I am starting to get the feeling that a group of locals may have sent LE on a wild goose chase this week-end regarding people that they do not like. I really hope I am wrong on that. I so desperately want them to get answers.
Sure does seem that way to me also.

I was also wondering the same thing...but then I think the judge signing the warrant had to have seen probable cause.  I could be wrong, anyone know?   
Anyway, as this day has worn on, my thoughts have gone where yours has also.  I pray to God Lindsey is found soon. 




yes, they would need probable cause in order to execute a search warrant.  i know for searching a physical property they need some type of circumstance that would say there is physical evidence at this place. in other words, the judge i would think would need a strong reason to believe there is physical evidence at the place being searched.  if you just randomly search someones house you are violating their civil rights, and you cant do that without probable cause.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 27, 2009, 12:14:44 AM
Fanny just saw your nanners.  Some coming your way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 12:31:28 AM
I must be blind. I went to the Lindsey baum website and could not find what time the vigil is tonight. Does anyone know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 12:32:43 AM
I can remember a time in August, I  believe, after Lindsay had been gone for a while , and the general theme on the thread was there was not much action, there had been little LE action after the first few days, and the town itself had seem to go back to being rather apathetic. I wondered out loud why there had been no more further more thorough searches along her route home. I was told with out probably cause most residence would not be willing to let the LE searchers on their property even signing forms that they were only looking for Lindsey and her whereabouts.

I had post after post about the 5th amendment rights, it was impossible, and a million reason why people there wouldn't voluntarily let search their property for a missing girl. In a small town if one of you own was lost, it sounded so strange to me. I was pretty sure there were old wells and septic tanks, plus basements that, as far as I could see, had not been looked. After getting such negative response begin to go back to reading along again.

 When poor little Robert Manwell's body was found in the irrigation ditch in Idaho, I did make a post that day about why was it that people in the Boise looked, and looked and searched every day until he was found. The police had news conferences and asked for help in searching and it came from neighboring towns. There were news updates everyday from the police working on the case and tell people how they could help. And help the people did. And I asked why that didn't happen in McCleary, Washington.

I realize McCreary is a small town, and small le dept but there are other towns in the area, and even larger County Sheriff's offices in nearby country that would come if ony they had been asked. They can offer their help but if a LE department feels their territory is going to be trampled, or they have some other reason they don't outsiders in, it won't happen. I have still not understand the general apathy, and why the State police with their expertise wasn't called in. The FBI should have had more presents than an assitant special agent who only came a shot time, and must have had quite a bit of territory to cover.

I still don't have the answer to my questions, and it may not be for me to know. The things I have read tonight have given me another insight into the inter workings of a little town. I am sure there must be those that want to help but feel helpless, or fearful, don't want to get involved.....but something like a missing child should have been THE most important thing to happen in the town. I still have not been understand there was a festival and parade just a week or so after she was missing. It was like she was never there.  I feel as though I know no more tonight that I did the night I post that.

I am very tired tonight and discouraged. I pray Lindsey is found, and the chips fall whre the may. I thought the same night I ever heard Lindsey Baum's name. God Bless you Lindsey,  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 12:42:19 AM
Fanny just saw your nanners.  Some coming your way.

Nanners your way.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 12:43:37 AM
Yes, Fannie I remember your frustration.  My frustration was mounting, but the strangeness/darkness had already descended around this case, this town and it's citizens.  IMO

Also, the response by Robert's neighbors and townspeople was like night and day compared to this one.  You are so right.

Prayers for Lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 12:46:11 AM
I must be blind. I went to the Lindsey baum website and could not find what time the vigil is tonight. Does anyone know?

I think I read it started at 8pm WA time.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 12:48:39 AM
I can remember a time in August, I  believe, after Lindsay had been gone for a while , and the general theme on the thread was there was not much action, there had been little LE action after the first few days, and the town itself had seem to go back to being rather apathetic. I wondered out loud why there had been no more further more thorough searches along her route home. I was told with out probably cause most residence would not be willing to let the LE searchers on their property even signing forms that they were only looking for Lindsey and her whereabouts.

I had post after post about the 5th amendment rights, it was impossible, and a million reason why people there wouldn't voluntarily let search their property for a missing girl. In a small town if one of you own was lost, it sounded so strange to me. I was pretty sure there were old wells and septic tanks, plus basements that, as far as I could see, had not been looked. After getting such negative response begin to go back to reading along again.

 When poor little Robert Manwell's body was found in the irrigation ditch in Idaho, I did make a post that day about why was it that people in the Boise looked, and looked and searched every day until he was found. The police had news conferences and asked for help in searching and it came from neighboring towns. There were news updates everyday from the police working on the case and tell people how they could help. And help the people did. And I asked why that didn't happen in McCleary, Washington.

I realize McCreary is a small town, and small le dept but there are other towns in the area, and even larger County Sheriff's offices in nearby country that would come if ony they had been asked. They can offer their help but if a LE department feels their territory is going to be trampled, or they have some other reason they don't outsiders in, it won't happen. I have still not understand the general apathy, and why the State police with their expertise wasn't called in. The FBI should have had more presents than an assitant special agent who only came a shot time, and must have had quite a bit of territory to cover.

I still don't have the answer to my questions, and it may not be for me to know. The things I have read tonight have given me another insight into the inter workings of a little town. I am sure there must be those that want to help but feel helpless, or fearful, don't want to get involved.....but something like a missing child should have been THE most important thing to happen in the town. I still have not been understand there was a festival and parade just a week or so after she was missing. It was like she was never there.  I feel as though I know no more tonight that I did the night I post that.

I am very tired tonight and discouraged. I pray Lindsey is found, and the chips fall whre the may. I thought the same night I ever heard Lindsey Baum's name. God Bless you Lindsey,  ::MonkeyAngel::

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Isaiah 40:31 NKJV
But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Isaiah 55:8-9
My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Philippians 4:6-7
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Good Night Monkeys and God Bless.

Janet
9:50 PM PT


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 01:05:50 AM

 ::MonkeyAngel::

Isaiah 40:31 NKJV
But those who wait on the LORD
Shall renew their strength;
They shall mount up with wings like eagles,
They shall run and not be weary,
They shall walk and not faint.

Galatians 6:9
Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Isaiah 55:8-9
My thoughts are not your thoughts, nor are your ways My ways,' says the Lord.
'For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.

Philippians 4:6-7
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which passes all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

Romans 8:28
And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.

Good Night Monkeys and God Bless.

Janet
9:50 PM PT

I am going to take the bible verses you have given me, and and take my tired, discouraged body to bed. Mybe God will give me an answer in my sleep, as has often happened.

Good Night Janet, and everybody. Maybe tomorrow Lindsey will be found.  ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 01:28:36 AM
As for the case.  I  huge buzz going on around McCleary and over to Elma.  but who knows if it is true, I will just wait.


DD, what was the huge buzz?  I have been to both towns in the last two days and have heard nothing.  Just the oposite.  Maybe someone is lying to you, but please don't just post possible rumor.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 02:05:14 AM
I have been searching for truth in this case.  Today I walked the path HO went on with his dogs.  I walked up about 3/4 mi. up the path to the death scent.  I now have a different perspective.  You would have to make the trip yourself to come to an understanding.  Totally different than I imagined.  I believe HO went up this trail, but I really don't feel Lindsey was ever up there.  Too many things just don't add up.  I did notice dirt bike tracks and two men have been close to the area HO calls into question.  Probably looking for themselves as I did.  I am now back to square one.  I have walked the route Lindsey was on when last seen and strongly believe see accepted a ride from someone she felt comfortable with.  My hope is it is with someone who is caring for her.  I'm tired today and when I get on here all I see is question about funds and who is lying.  Why?  Are you sure the search is over?  I believe if the LE found any evidence, they would tell the family and address the press.  I guess I am frustrated and don't understand all this squabbling.  Can't we all just get along.  Maybe if I sleep on it, I will feel better tomorrow.  Goodnite.  shortcake   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 02:31:21 AM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 03:08:59 AM
I was in Mccleary Friday night and nothing seemed out of the norm.  A few locals had rumors, but that was all they were.  I don't deal with rumors.  Even one person who claimed to live on same road as one of the searched places, and they were clueless(at least to me).  Remember this is Beaver Cleveland 1950's, not the wild west.  I was on the streets of McCleary late last night and no fear.  I also see the news reports showing the searches, and they look more like chemical removal to me.IMO  shortcake
Thanks for the concern sister.  Don't get me wrong, I am careful.  I live in a city and I have SO's around my neighborhood.  I am more afraid of the ones who have yet to offend than those already in the system.  There are a lot more of them and no way to tell who is about to.  Thanks again.  shortcake     

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Multi-agency search for missing McCleary girl
10:37 PM PDT on Monday, June 29, 2009


"The worst case scenario-she's the victim of foul play or some type of predator behavior," said Grays Harbor Undersheriff Rick Scott

Officers have contacted nearby registered sex offenders, revealing no clues.  Although there is no known evidence of a crime, the FBI has now joined multiple other agencies in the investigation.

http://www.nwcn.com/statenews/washington/stories/NW_062909WAB-Mccleary-girl-missing-LJ.1a971644.html

pink angel
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #88 on: June 29, 2009, 09:34:31 AM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135#msg857135


Northern Rose
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #80 on: June 29, 2009, 12:34:42 PM »


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg857135




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 27, 2009, 03:25:21 AM
Wow.. just wow. 

I pray for a settling peace between all, and a returned focus on Lindsey herself. 

G'night.. heading for the monkey bunky..   (http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/Smilies/sleep.gif)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 03:28:07 AM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?
You're welcome Sister
I think the info about all of the funds can be found at Lindsey's web sites.

http://findlindseybaum.com/

http://findlindseybaum.com/1915.html


As you can see, there is more than one web site:
if I am reading it correctly, the paypal goes directly to the Timberland account.  Of course, I could be mistaken.  The poster does say for the search.
http://www.lindseybaum.com/


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 27, 2009, 03:31:32 AM

(http://i439.photobucket.com/albums/qq117/Wyks_/baum5.jpg)



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Jademoff on September 27, 2009, 03:34:35 AM
Still in my heart and my thoughts, I'm lighting a candle for Lindsey, even though it's much later than the vigil, I just got through all the new pages. and WOW. I really hope she is found soon, it's been on my mind all night :(


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 03:45:37 AM
It is comforting to learn from DD that Harry Oakes' canine search a short time following Lindsey Baum's disappearance was not the last canine search.  It would sure be interesting to know what were the findings revealed in Oakes' report submitted on 8/31.

I will email LE/FBI today requesting an answer to why the findings of Harry Oakes' canine searches are not taken seriously.  I do not expect an answer but ... not allowing the Lindsey Baum case to become cold is my mission on the forum and behind the scenes through emails.

Janet

I highlighted about in red...

thank you tomikasmom... I appreciate your willingness to email people behind the scenes. 
Although I already know the answer to that question, I surely would like you to receive an answer straight from the horses mouth as to why they are not paying attention to Harry Oakes. 

I know they told people he is a quack... I have a hard time believing that as his dogs tracked exactly to places I had information about back in July, long before his info about this surfaced... so tell me how do I and harry oakes end up in the same places?  I have to believe he knows what he is doing... the only other thing I can come up with is someone I told, told him, and he went there.  But I asked the person who was incontact with him and who I had told these things if they told this things to HO, and they swore they told him nothing about it... so I really find it almost impossible he would end up in the same places, more than one or two, that I ended up in, IF he is making it all up.

DD, where is this location?  I traveled the route taken by HO(I believe).  You have collaborating information about the location?  Please reveal.  I will go back and search again.  Revealing this location is not going to out anyone.  Don't hold this important information back as every day counts.  As long as this location is not by a psychic, I will respond.  I find it very difficult to think Lindsey traveled up that road.  IMO  shortcake   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 06:30:41 AM
I stopped by to say Hi to everyone and have had quite a mind-blowing read in the day's fare of posts!~   

I got caught up in all the breaking news in Haleigh and Annie Le's cases and have been negligent in following Lindsey's case.   All I can say is I am so thankful it seems her time is maybe close at hand to where she will be found and brought back home.

That is the main thought I have after reading all these posts tonight.  Every poster here and at WS has one main goal, and that is giving of their own thoughts and talents to help find Lindsey and solve her case.  I don't read any of her other forums.  Reading negative comments about WS from posters here makes me feel bad.  And visa versa when I read similar comments at WS about SM.  We are all here for the same purpose and should be working together.

I see a change over here that is really positive.  Naturally I thought I'd find some scoop on what LE really has in their hat and hear some hot rumors about what the credible evidence was that came to light.  I am dying to know, as we all are, right?  LOL  But nopey nope it was not to be.  Klaas has called for LE's wishes to be upheld and so no names are posted nor info posted on involved parties to this weekends search.  Yes, it hard to have to wait, but I am pleased at her decision and how the dear Monkey's all have towed the mark.

Hey, in 4 days or so we will know what was in the SW's - hopefully.  There had to be probable cause to sign each SW.  I have read so many things tonight giving the feeling that yes, there might be something very positive working now to solve the case.  I will wait.  And when the news pops we will dig like crazy to find out every little thing we can.  Ya Ya ::MonkeyFootball::, and go for the touchdown!

Other thoughts: 

*  I had never heard Lindsey's room is still taped off after all these months.  Is that normal in a case?

*  Has there been anything new from or about Mlechester {sp}?

*  The first time I ever heard of MM was months ago and from someone who said they were good friends.  Now I read here from MM that she doesn't really know her that well or not good friends.  Amazing.  I am left with mixed feelings about what she has said tonight but don't want to attack the poster except her defensiveness was tiring.  I will say however that a proper paper trail on monies given to Melissa {and justly so I presume} might be needed on the account.  Taking cash out of the day's proceeds, etc, etc, etc, well it sent my jaw smack down, right to the floor ::MonkeyShocked::

*  I loved the photo of Lindsey in her fantabulous Halloween costume.

*  Lastly, as to this SO Mr J D Braun who was listed as living on Heslep Lane in McCleary, if you have any info on him we have a poster who would appreciate what we can learn.  I can't find him in the GHC SO records, only know his basics.  He might not even live in McCleary any more.


See ya tomoz, and as always KRAMS



PS:  I know there are many here I know over at WS.  Pop me a PM there so I know who you are.  It is like dancing in the dark coming here knowing you know posters but not who they are, if that makes any sense.  xox



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 09:32:36 AM
JenniferO from WS posted this about the 3 different accounts.

There are three accounts:
1. Reward fund at Sterlings Savings bank. I don't know who has access to this account. Wasn't the original $6,000 from Crimestoppers? Maybe they control the account.

2. "Potpourri fund" set up by MM at Timberland Bank. This is MBs "living account" and money she uses for whatever (never got a definite answer on that)

3. Search fund is at Sterling Savings and requires two signatures and I was told MB is not on the account. Not sure who the signers are.


KarmaR, thanks for getting that information.  Before the reward or search accounts were established, I thought the account at Timberland was on one of the websites with paypal (or whatever) for the use to help find Lindsey.  Am I wrong about that?  Does anyone know?

yes that is right, it was the only one and linked as to help for lindsey.  I had linked it from my site and had no idea till one of them came and called it a popouri fund.  I did not know what that meant.  then found out later for mb for whatever.  then they set up the other accounts

omg, potpouri -- that's misrepresentation, but probably like JessStar said, honor system only -- how cruel to fool the public like that.
As far as I recall the 1st account set up at the Timberland bank was set up for Melissa Baum to use to survive on.Remember she was not working and needed help paying her bills and such.I see nothing wrong with that.
I also think when they set up the other 2 funds there was some confusions about which fund the donated money went to.I think that is why they stressed for people to specify on the donations.....goes to search fund,goes to reward fund,goes to Melissa Baum's living expenses fund.
IMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 27, 2009, 10:10:00 AM
Police have yet to find big break in case

McCLEARY — Investigators have yet to find the “smoking gun” that will lead them to 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who has been missing for three months as of Saturday.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office served search warrants on two residences outside the McCleary city limits Friday and began combing through junk cars and a number of buildings.

The search on the properties in question intensified Saturday, bumping up the civilian search and rescue experts and law enforcement personnel from 30 people on Friday to 50 people on Saturday. Search dogs were also brought.

Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

MORE....

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 10:26:13 AM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

not everyone is that tough no, I agree.  but there are some who are, who will walk up and shoot you right through the window, or just blow you away on the porch.  I am sure you know that has happened right there in mccleary... so anyway, I guess I can't stop it, so ... ugh... but... I had to try.
I believe you are referring to DF.  Thanks for the warning, but I feel more threatened in my city than in McCleary.  By the way DF no longer resides in McCleary and if I should ever meet this person, what is there to fear?   After all I have no beef with this person.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 10:29:06 AM
Police have yet to find big break in case

McCLEARY — Investigators have yet to find the “smoking gun” that will lead them to 11-year-old Lindsey Baum, who has been missing for three months as of Saturday.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office served search warrants on two residences outside the McCleary city limits Friday and began combing through junk cars and a number of buildings.

The search on the properties in question intensified Saturday, bumping up the civilian search and rescue experts and law enforcement personnel from 30 people on Friday to 50 people on Saturday. Search dogs were also brought.

Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

MORE....

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt
Thank you Northern
I found this part of the article very interesting.....don't know why yet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
McCleary Mayor Wallace Bentley remembers the night Lindsey disappeared like it was yesterday. The little girl’s route home would have taken her right past his house. In fact, a confirmed sighting of Lindsey has her disappearing right outside his home on Maple Street, within view of his windows.

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

 Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home.

 “Kids used to ride their bikes up and down this street all the time,” Self said. “But not so much anymore.”

 Bentley noticed that, too.

 “I think parents, and really everybody, is being more watchful,” the mayor said. “I don’t think we’re suspicious, but more observant and careful. ... We’re always looking for news. We just want her to be found.”

 Bentley, who has been mayor for three terms and is retiring from his elected position at the end of the year, says McCleary is a place where families have felt safe for years. He was a school teacher here before he retired more than 10 years ago.

 Self, who grew up in McCleary and worked at the nearby mill and also as a pastor, said he used to leave his doors unlocked. Not anymore.

 “You can’t risk it,” Self said, watching as neighbors stopped by during a garage sale his family was doing Saturday. “It’s sad. I wish we could go back to the way it was.”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also this below confirms that both searches over the weekend was on Foreman street right?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office served search warrants on two residences outside the McCleary city limits Friday and began combing through junk cars and a number of buildings.

The search on the properties in question intensified Saturday, bumping up the civilian search and rescue experts and law enforcement personnel from 30 people on Friday to 50 people on Saturday. Search dogs were also brought.

Pimentel said he couldn’t reveal what led detectives to two isolated locations along Foreman Road, just outside of McCleary. Deputies were restricting access to the road and checking licenses to make sure only local residents could get through a road block. The restrictions are in place through Sunday.

Detectives combed an abandoned home and an adjoining shed or barn from morning until night on Friday. The property is on about 11 acres of land, Pimentel said. On Saturday, Pimentel said detectives brought in search dogs and search and rescue experts to help comb the surrounding brush, trees and grasslands.

At a second site, detectives set up a mobile command unit from the King County Sheriff’s Office near dozens of junk cars and debris at a second residence along Foreman Road. The property owners were told to leave the area.

Investigators have been wearing white protective gear during their search of the buildings. Pimentel says that’s typical when gathering evidence, although many people link the clothing to potential drug lab investigations. Pimentel says there was no fear either location housed a drug or meth lab.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 10:35:29 AM
From MomTective at WS

Look how close RSO Jessy D. Braun lives to the search areas  ::MonkeyEek::


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54470&whichaddr=&SubmitAddrSearch=1&AddrStreet=149+Foreman+Rd&AddrCity=McCleary&AddrState=48&AddrZip=98557&AddrZipPlus=



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:36:35 AM
Thanks Karma interesting article  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 10:38:19 AM
Whoaaa,check out all the RSO and how many are non compliant.

Also from MomTective at WS

http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54470&SubmitUnmappableSearch=1



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:46:33 AM
From MomTective at WS

Look how close RSO Jessy D. Braun lives to the search areas  ::MonkeyEek::


http://www.icrimewatch.net/results.php?AgencyID=54470&whichaddr=&SubmitAddrSearch=1&AddrStreet=149+Foreman+Rd&AddrCity=McCleary&AddrState=48&AddrZip=98557&AddrZipPlus=


Yes, that is the one I was talking about last night, and he looks so young  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:47:46 AM
Jessy's age isn't up, he must be a minor?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 11:18:57 AM
Richard Lasley......wasn't that someone we were looking at at one time?A RSO maybe?
Anyway.....this map below shows Foreman road and Heslep lane(where Jessy Braun lives I believe).....if you pull the map up you can see how close to McCleary town this is.

http://www.loore.com/smap.php?id=3765120



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
Looks like Mayor Wallace Bentley lives on the corner of Maple and 6th streets.

http://www.loore.com/smap.php?id=3541891



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:22:10 AM
Richard Lasley......wasn't that someone we were looking at at one time?A RSO maybe?
Anyway.....this map below shows Foreman road and Heslep lane(where Jessy Braun lives I believe).....if you pull the map up you can see how close to McCleary town this is.

http://www.loore.com/smap.php?id=3765120


Name is familar  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 11:23:54 AM
Jessy's age isn't up, he must be a minor?
Hmmmm,I just noticed that.I guess I was assuming he is at least 18 because they wouldn't have his SO info up if he was a minor right?Also.....no date of conviction......interesting.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:32:21 AM
Jessy's age isn't up, he must be a minor?
Hmmmm,I just noticed that.I guess I was assuming he is at least 18 because they wouldn't have his SO info up if he was a minor right?Also.....no date of conviction......interesting.
I thought so, that is why last night I could see why a girl Lindsey's age might go for a ride home with him, because he looks so young, and maybe some of the kids know him? I have no idea, nor have I heard that Lindsey and her friends would even know this boy.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:35:08 AM
McCleary 
Registered User   Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 221 
 
I found him listed on a court records search as a minor...and his offense was in 2008 from what I can tell. 
From WS  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 27, 2009, 11:53:33 AM
McCleary 
Registered User   Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 221 
 
I found him listed on a court records search as a minor...and his offense was in 2008 from what I can tell. 
From WS  ::MonkeyEek::

Perhaps JessStar can find some additional information on him.  She has access to some systems that we can't access.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 12:04:33 PM
McCleary 
Registered User   Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 221 
 
I found him listed on a court records search as a minor...and his offense was in 2008 from what I can tell. 
From WS  ::MonkeyEek::
Thanks NoRose  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't get the link to work but looks like 3 SO offenses......

1 Braun, J. D.
Defendant G H Co Superior 08-8-00098-1 06-03-2008
2 Braun, J. D.
Minor G H Co Superior 08-2-01272-3 09-19-2008
3 Braun, J. D.
Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 08-9-80161-8 11-06-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 12:05:57 PM
McCleary 
Registered User   Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 221 
 
I found him listed on a court records search as a minor...and his offense was in 2008 from what I can tell. 
From WS  ::MonkeyEek::
Thanks NoRose  ::MonkeyEek::

I can't get the link to work but looks like 3 SO offenses......

1 Braun, J. D.
Defendant G H Co Superior 08-8-00098-1 06-03-2008
2 Braun, J. D.
Minor G H Co Superior 08-2-01272-3 09-19-2008
3 Braun, J. D.
Judgment Debtor G H Co Superior 08-9-80161-8 11-06-2008

http://dw.courts.wa.gov/index.cfm?fa=home.namelist

Sorry,the 3rd offense was dept related.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 12:22:31 PM
That's true JessStar or DD or Sister might know more, but since he is a minor I'm not sure how that even works. And maybe it is a case of him and a girlfriend that was underaged?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 27, 2009, 12:23:38 PM
Hi all I was reading in the posts today and decided i needed to log on and tell you all thank you for everything you do. I know its rude to just lerk in the background and not say anything so I want you all to know when I see there is news, I know where to come to get the truth. Cause you monkey the truth right out and get to the bottom of it. I miss and apprecate you all so very much. You know how kids suck your time during the school year with all there activities... LOL Hugs to all you good monkeys!!! and the bad ones LOL Joking


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: atlanta_mom on September 27, 2009, 12:26:25 PM
That's true JessStar or DD or Sister might know more, but since he is a minor I'm not sure how that even works. And maybe it is a case of him and a girlfriend that was underaged?

Strange... I thought a minor could not be held responsible for debt.  Father and son with same name maybe?  Or maybe his birthday is between september and november?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 12:31:13 PM
I have not had time to read anything yet this morning, but I will as soon as I can...
but I want to say this so everyone will know where I stand on all of this.  So I will just say this.  I don't have time to respond or read yes as you all know I have morning chores that I CANT GET OUT OF... and so it is afternoon before I can jump in here. 

but for now this is where "I" PERSONALLY  am going to be working.


as everyone knows, I have morning chores all morning. I have to keep going outside til around noon, and I hate I can't sit right here and do this from sunup til midnight, but I will spend every second I can all day and night to get to the bottom of this

let me just say this. I have thought all along this was going to turn into some FRAME-UP JOB< and now I believe it more than ever. I will spend every waking minute and even go over this in my sleep to prove the person they are looking at had NOTHING to do with this.

I don't like at all what is going on here. I do understand the law quite well and I know what to look for and how to get to the bottom of this mess.

I don't care how long this takes, I am not going to let this person be wrongfully convicted.

everyone is free to have their own opinions on this board, but KNOW THIS.... MY PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVE THIS PERSON IS BEING FRAMED.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 27, 2009, 12:34:54 PM
I have not had time to read anything yet this morning, but I will as soon as I can...
but I want to say this so everyone will know where I stand on all of this.  So I will just say this.  I don't have time to respond or read yes as you all know I have morning chores that I CANT GET OUT OF... and so it is afternoon before I can jump in here. 

but for now this is where "I" PERSONALLY  am going to be working.


as everyone knows, I have morning chores all morning. I have to keep going outside til around noon, and I hate I can't sit right here and do this from sunup til midnight, but I will spend every second I can all day and night to get to the bottom of this

let me just say this. I have thought all along this was going to turn into some FRAME-UP JOB< and now I believe it more than ever. I will spend every waking minute and even go over this in my sleep to prove the person they are looking at had NOTHING to do with this.

I don't like at all what is going on here. I do understand the law quite well and I know what to look for and how to get to the bottom of this mess.

I don't care how long this takes, I am not going to let this person be wrongfully convicted.

everyone is free to have their own opinions on this board, but KNOW THIS.... MY PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVE THIS PERSON IS BEING FRAMED.

I assume you mean the person whose property is being searched. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
Hi all I was reading in the posts today and decided i needed to log on and tell you all thank you for everything you do. I know its rude to just lerk in the background and not say anything so I want you all to know when I see there is news, I know where to come to get the truth. Cause you monkey the truth right out and get to the bottom of it. I miss and apprecate you all so very much. You know how kids suck your time during the school year with all there activities... LOL Hugs to all you good monkeys!!! and the bad ones LOL Joking
Nice to see you  ::MonkeyCool:: My kids are grown, but I remember those times quite well  ::MonkeyHaHa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 12:38:13 PM
I have not had time to read anything yet this morning, but I will as soon as I can...
but I want to say this so everyone will know where I stand on all of this.  So I will just say this.  I don't have time to respond or read yes as you all know I have morning chores that I CANT GET OUT OF... and so it is afternoon before I can jump in here. 

but for now this is where "I" PERSONALLY  am going to be working.


as everyone knows, I have morning chores all morning. I have to keep going outside til around noon, and I hate I can't sit right here and do this from sunup til midnight, but I will spend every second I can all day and night to get to the bottom of this

let me just say this. I have thought all along this was going to turn into some FRAME-UP JOB< and now I believe it more than ever. I will spend every waking minute and even go over this in my sleep to prove the person they are looking at had NOTHING to do with this.

I don't like at all what is going on here. I do understand the law quite well and I know what to look for and how to get to the bottom of this mess.

I don't care how long this takes, I am not going to let this person be wrongfully convicted.

everyone is free to have their own opinions on this board, but KNOW THIS.... MY PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVE THIS PERSON IS BEING FRAMED.

I assume you mean the person whose property is being searched. 
That's what I'm thinking also. And by talking and bringing up this Jessy kid, eventhough he is a SO, I would certainly hate to see someone being setup if he had nothing to do with anything  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 12:53:28 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

I am not refering to any specific person, I was refering to the situations that can and have happened in that town... You have said there is nothing to worry about in that town regarding what people might do... all I meant was, it has happened before (the situation) so it can happen again.  There are many people like the people who have done this before there.  It's not a town where people are ALL nice.  We have some very ruthless people there who will retaliate if they think someone is doing something to them. Its the "situation" I was refering to, not the specific people.  sorry you misunderstood me.  I will try to be more clear next time. 
not everyone is that tough no, I agree.  but there are some who are, who will walk up and shoot you right through the window, or just blow you away on the porch.  I am sure you know that has happened right there in mccleary... so anyway, I guess I can't stop it, so ... ugh... but... I had to try.
I believe you are referring to DF.  Thanks for the warning, but I feel more threatened in my city than in McCleary.  By the way DF no longer resides in McCleary and if I should ever meet this person, what is there to fear?   After all I have no beef with this person.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 12:57:59 PM
I have not had time to read anything yet this morning, but I will as soon as I can...
but I want to say this so everyone will know where I stand on all of this.  So I will just say this.  I don't have time to respond or read yes as you all know I have morning chores that I CANT GET OUT OF... and so it is afternoon before I can jump in here. 

but for now this is where "I" PERSONALLY  am going to be working.


as everyone knows, I have morning chores all morning. I have to keep going outside til around noon, and I hate I can't sit right here and do this from sunup til midnight, but I will spend every second I can all day and night to get to the bottom of this

let me just say this. I have thought all along this was going to turn into some FRAME-UP JOB< and now I believe it more than ever. I will spend every waking minute and even go over this in my sleep to prove the person they are looking at had NOTHING to do with this.

I don't like at all what is going on here. I do understand the law quite well and I know what to look for and how to get to the bottom of this mess.

I don't care how long this takes, I am not going to let this person be wrongfully convicted.

everyone is free to have their own opinions on this board, but KNOW THIS.... MY PRIORITY RIGHT NOW IS TO PROVE THIS PERSON IS BEING FRAMED.

I assume you mean the person whose property is being searched. 

yes that is exactly what I mean.  I will get on here this afternoon and say what I can. right now I just am in and out doing my outside chores which have to be done every single day, I can't not do them, I am usually doing them all morning.  I am on west coast so it will be around noon pst before I can actually sit here and post.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

edit to get my post out of the middle of this and add it at the bottom  
not everyone is that tough no, I agree.  but there are some who are, who will walk up and shoot you right through the window, or just blow you away on the porch.  I am sure you know that has happened right there in mccleary... so anyway, I guess I can't stop it, so ... ugh... but... I had to try.
I believe you are referring to DF.  Thanks for the warning, but I feel more threatened in my city than in McCleary.  By the way DF no longer resides in McCleary and if I should ever meet this person, what is there to fear?   After all I have no beef with this person.  shortcake


here was what I posted, had it up in the middle of the quotes, sorry.
I am not refering to any specific person, I was refering to the situations that can and have happened in that town... You have said there is nothing to worry about in that town regarding what people might do... all I meant was, it has happened before (the situation) so it can happen again.  There are many people like the people who have done this before there.  It's not a town where people are ALL nice.  We have some very ruthless people there who will retaliate if they think someone is doing something to them. Its the "situation" I was refering to, not the specific people.  sorry you misunderstood me.  I will try to be more clear next time. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: darla on September 27, 2009, 01:07:42 PM
Doubledecker....are you LE and do you live in McCleary? Your post are so confusing to my old brain.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 01:09:56 PM
I have enough information now I believe I might know exactly where someone should go search...if anyone reads this, is there locally, able to actually go to where I point out, and will put aside all the bs and just go out there, I will tell you where to go.
Hi DD.  I see you are in the rafters.  It is a beautiful day in the northwest and I will drive up there and be your eyes if you only tell me where this exact location is.  I assume it is in an open field or in the forest.  I would'nt search any residence.  Has anyone already took you up this offer?  If so, what is the results?  Also a hint as to what I am expected to find?  shortcake   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 01:28:58 PM
just remember, if you OUT this person, you might be outing the witness.  Mccleary is a tiny town, this person is not safe if people figure out they said something.
I agree DD, but this town is not that tough.  I know.  I am heading out and will be at waterhole No 2 at 9:00 for you locals if you care to discuss anything.  I answere to shortcake.

edit to get my post out of the middle of this and add it at the bottom  
not everyone is that tough no, I agree.  but there are some who are, who will walk up and shoot you right through the window, or just blow you away on the porch.  I am sure you know that has happened right there in mccleary... so anyway, I guess I can't stop it, so ... ugh... but... I had to try.
I believe you are referring to DF.  Thanks for the warning, but I feel more threatened in my city than in McCleary.  By the way DF no longer resides in McCleary and if I should ever meet this person, what is there to fear?   After all I have no beef with this person.  shortcake


here was what I posted, had it up in the middle of the quotes, sorry.
I am not refering to any specific person, I was refering to the situations that can and have happened in that town... You have said there is nothing to worry about in that town regarding what people might do... all I meant was, it has happened before (the situation) so it can happen again.  There are many people like the people who have done this before there.  It's not a town where people are ALL nice.  We have some very ruthless people there who will retaliate if they think someone is doing something to them. Its the "situation" I was refering to, not the specific people.  sorry you misunderstood me.  I will try to be more clear next time. 
I apoligize DD.  See when you mentioned shot on the porch, I jumped to the conclusion you were referring to DF.  That is the only incident like that happening in that town that I am aware of.  Sorry-shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 02:00:19 PM
I just want to point out some comments made by Don of  the Ron & Don (hope I got that right) radio show.  Of note, I find his remarks very interesting in light of the fact he is not from McCleary and is a "third party" uninvolved person.  I am very curious to know what his observations were!  What do other monkeys think?


Snippets (my bold):



This is one of the interviews

Monday, August 31, 2009
3:00 pm-4:00 pm

Don went down to McCreary, WA to help out in the search for Lindsey Baum. Rick Scott, the Grays Harbor County undersheriff talked to Ron and Don about the abduction. Don talks about what it was like to go down and search for Lindsey.


Don:
I’ll tell you what this taught me, And I’ve never gone on a search for a little girl before, missing person, but this taught me because you had neighbours here that could have gotten involved, much earlier, they could have contacted law enforcement, and it’s kind of a, would’ve, could’ve, should’ve, down in California right now but that brings us to the story, of a little girl who is 10 years old, down in McCleary County, and she is, she’s missing right now, ......


Don:
 And I’ll tell you this, who ever took this little girl, knew this little girl. There 1522 people that live there, and I went to that exact spot where she was taken, and ah, there some information that was share with me that I can’t share with you. Or that at least I promises not to share, so I won’t. But there is no way uh, that someone was just you know, driving down I-5 and happened to end up in McCrealy, that did not happen,.......
 

  I believe that who ever did this to this little girl, knew this little girl. I believe it. I believe they either live in that area or they were visiting someone that knew in that area, but there’s no way that this was a stranger,.....
 

And then my other concern was, I was asking who’s had a lye detector. And I called the FBI this morning.

 
I called the FBI this morning, because I’m so concerned about people that have not taken a lie detector test, and I wanted some answers, and I’ll tell you what I found out, and I was shocked)…


Ron:
 Knowing you as long as I have, one thing you do have a very good intuition about people and about situations most of the time, and so ah how did you have any of your Don and the Ron Dawn intuitions or insights or lightening bolt flashes and you said ah I see something interesting or anything like that happen at all while you were down there?

Don: Ya it did because I asked someone, who knew where she was taken, to walk me, and you can see, where she was taken, from the community centre and it’s a very small town and so I walked over a couple of blocks with my dog Nola, and they said, we think she was taken from here, kind of where this telephone pole is, and I’m telling you, who ever took her, who ever did harm to her, and I hope, I hope and pray that she is still alive. But who ever did what they did with her was somebody in that town. It was somebody who knew her,


Ron: So the chances of her of getting thrown into a car and driven to who knows where.

Don:
Well that could have happened Ron, but I have a really hard time believing, that it was just some stranger, and even when we talked to Rick, you could kind of hear the undercurrents of, and so what I did, I was so concerned about this and so distraught when I came home, we only had about 40 searcher show up.


 I came home feeling very distraught about this, and so what I did, was I picked up the phone and I called a detective of the Seattle police department I know very well, detective Mike Migahn(sp?), and I told him some things that I’m not going to share with you, and I said hey I got some theories, and I know some people that haven’t had lie detector tests, and I shared it with him, and he said you know what, you gotta call the FBI. I am going to get you in tough with the guy who ah who is in charge of this with the federal level. So I talked with that gentleman this morning. He did a great job and followed up on me, that’s with me, that’s the reason we got Rick Scott on the air. And I guess the FBI is actually kind of working in conjunction with Rick, and so…

Ron: Are they aware of the things you were thinking?

Don: Well I don’t know…

Ron: I know you can’t say exactly what you’re thinking,

Don: I can’t even come close to what I’m thinking, but I’m definitely thinking it.

Ron: But are they aware?

Don: What?

Ron: I mean you communicated what you think to the Federal FBI.

Don:
 I communicated and I’m not going to say who I communicated it to, but I communicated what I thought. After going down there and I talked to a lot of people there about this particular situation, some of the stuff is not in the papers, and I communicated what I thought about what could have happened, and some people that they really need to talk to, sit down, interview and give a lie detector test to, and ah…

Ron: So you did have a strong intuition

Don:
Really strong. Really ya. Really strong intuition, and it’s, I’m telling you right now, It’s somebody in that area. She’s in that area.


This is from Aug 31st 2009


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
i think don is right on with everything he is saying. im hoping lindsey is found soon but i do feel like something big is gonna break shortly, just a feeling tho


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 02:57:29 PM
Thanks Madre for posting that clip.

I find it interesting because from what we have learned, the last person to see Lindsey was KK's daughter {acc to KK} who watched Lindsey walk down Maple to 6th St where she lost sight of her due to the foliage from the trees obstructing her view.  I wonder if that is where the telephone pole is?

We don't know what Don knows and wouldn't divulge so we are at a disadvantage in analyzing the why's of what he thinks.  But one thing I do know is we have to consider this spot the scene of the crime because we have no other info on sightings while she walked home.  And that is where investigators usually keep revisiting in their job to see what they have missed - at the scene of the crime.

I wonder if Don spoke with some neighbors who live right there and was spooked by what they might have said or their reaction to his questions?  I just read the mayor lives right close there.  Who else?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 03:03:22 PM
Thanks Madre for posting that clip.

I find it interesting because from what we have learned, the last person to see Lindsey was KK's daughter {acc to KK} who watched Lindsey walk down Maple to 6th St where she lost sight of her due to the foliage from the trees obstructing her view.  I wonder if that is where the telephone pole is?

We don't know what Don knows and wouldn't divulge so we are at a disadvantage in analyzing the why's of what he thinks.  But one thing I do know is we have to consider this spot the scene of the crime because we have no other info on sightings while she walked home.  And that is where investigators usually keep revisiting in their job to see what they have missed - at the scene of the crime.

I wonder if Don spoke with some neighbors who live right there and was spooked by what they might have said or their reaction to his questions?  I just read the mayor lives right close there.  Who else?
Quote
Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:13:20 PM
Thanks Madre for posting that clip.

I find it interesting because from what we have learned, the last person to see Lindsey was KK's daughter {acc to KK} who watched Lindsey walk down Maple to 6th St where she lost sight of her due to the foliage from the trees obstructing her view.  I wonder if that is where the telephone pole is?

We don't know what Don knows and wouldn't divulge so we are at a disadvantage in analyzing the why's of what he thinks.  But one thing I do know is we have to consider this spot the scene of the crime because we have no other info on sightings while she walked home.  And that is where investigators usually keep revisiting in their job to see what they have missed - at the scene of the crime.

I wonder if Don spoke with some neighbors who live right there and was spooked by what they might have said or their reaction to his questions?  I just read the mayor lives right close there.  Who else?
Thank-you Madre, and those are good questions. I keep having a feeling someone saw something and isn't saying  ::MonkeyShocked::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 03:18:19 PM
Thanks Madre for posting that clip.

I find it interesting because from what we have learned, the last person to see Lindsey was KK's daughter {acc to KK} who watched Lindsey walk down Maple to 6th St where she lost sight of her due to the foliage from the trees obstructing her view.  I wonder if that is where the telephone pole is?

We don't know what Don knows and wouldn't divulge so we are at a disadvantage in analyzing the why's of what he thinks.  But one thing I do know is we have to consider this spot the scene of the crime because we have no other info on sightings while she walked home.  And that is where investigators usually keep revisiting in their job to see what they have missed - at the scene of the crime.

I wonder if Don spoke with some neighbors who live right there and was spooked by what they might have said or their reaction to his questions?  I just read the mayor lives right close there.  Who else?
Quote
Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either. He says an FBI agent looked through his home and in his backyard for Lindsey, like they did for practically every neighbor up and down the six or seven blocks it would have taken Lindsey to go from her friend’s house back home.

Morning Mamacrazy,  I just went back to Karma's post #1660 where she posted further from that article about Self and Bentley.  NIX, LOLOL

Re-reading about what Bentley said I thought it very odd for him to say he saw kids in the street playing at that time, right after he got home from the retirement party:

 “I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”

In all these months I have never heard it mentioned there were other kids playing in the street on Maple between 9:15 to 9:30 that night.  It just sends up a red flag and is nothing personal against this gentleman IMO    xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 03:26:15 PM
 . . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 03:29:54 PM
Thanks Madre for posting that clip.

I find it interesting because from what we have learned, the last person to see Lindsey was KK's daughter {acc to KK} who watched Lindsey walk down Maple to 6th St where she lost sight of her due to the foliage from the trees obstructing her view.  I wonder if that is where the telephone pole is?

We don't know what Don knows and wouldn't divulge so we are at a disadvantage in analyzing the why's of what he thinks.  But one thing I do know is we have to consider this spot the scene of the crime because we have no other info on sightings while she walked home.  And that is where investigators usually keep revisiting in their job to see what they have missed - at the scene of the crime.

I wonder if Don spoke with some neighbors who live right there and was spooked by what they might have said or their reaction to his questions?  I just read the mayor lives right close there.  Who else?


Your welcome, Scandi.  You made a good point re what I bolded above, however, several locals here and at your other forum have been to the searches, in fact helped organize.  Who did they see Don talking to?   Did they see him interview/talk to neighbors or other townspeople that were not involved in the search?  I may be wrong, but I remember him saying he handed out some fliers other than searching.  These answers would, I think, give us a general clue as to who/what really bothered him that day. Just speculating here, IMO, etc. but I almost got the impression that his hinky meter went up after speaking with some close to this case/searches.  I certainly could be wrong and it won't be the first time, but Don's "concern" (from someone not involved in Lindsey's case and NOT from McCleary) has made me want to go back to the timeline, pp., and events that occurred the day Lindsey went missing.

Having said that, unfortunately, I don't really know what to believe anymore from the mouths of those in McCleary.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 03:32:16 PM
Vigil video and of course the video won't play for me as it says I need to download flash 9 which I have already downloaded like 10 times.....but it still won't play lol
Anyway,also a update on the search from this weekend.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_092709WAB-lindsey-baum-vigil-SW.1bfd25683.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 03:32:57 PM
im really having issues with these mens statements. and the wording of the art. 

I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”


Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either.

now???  bently said he saw kids.  self says he saw nothing. 

so where does 'either' come into play? ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:35:02 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That is strange, I could tell a person I saw the kids playing in the street, but I also might not be able to say if a particular kid was playing. Self is 79 how old is Bentley if we know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:36:21 PM
Vigil video and of course the video won't play for me as it says I need to download flash 9 which I have already downloaded like 10 times.....but it still won't play lol
Anyway,also a update on the search from this weekend.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_092709WAB-lindsey-baum-vigil-SW.1bfd25683.html


Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:39:06 PM
im really having issues with these mens statements. and the wording of the art. 

I’ve been bending my brain around what happened ever since,” Bentley said. “I returned home from a retirement party for a city employee. I was there. I know I saw kids on the street. But did I see her? I don’t know. I wish I could say I did, but I just don’t know.”


Across the street, William Self, 79, says he was home, too. But he didn’t see anything either.

now???  bently said he saw kids.  self says he saw nothing. 

so where does 'either' come into play? ::MonkeyConfused::
  It doesn't, I think that could be an error in the reporting  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 03:41:00 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 03:42:06 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 03:53:35 PM
wow DD.  now i have a few thoughts under my hat. ::MonkeyMad::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:54:43 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html
OMG, thank-you very much for explaining this, here is a woman that is helping and look what you get, I feel terrible for her, and if I were her, I wouldn't help another living soul  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Now, I'm not even going to get started on this Jenn person, what I feel is irrelevant, but I have read pretty much all she has posted, and I will drop it. My belief in what happened to this little child never strayed from my mind. Yes, I went here and there with my thoughts, but I always came back to the original thoughts, and after reading what you posted DD I guess I wasn't wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I appreciate all you do, and when you speak to the poster please tell her thank-you from me, and take care, which sounds like that will be very difficult to do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 03:56:17 PM
wow DD.  now i have a few thoughts under my hat. ::MonkeyMad::
And I'm telling you mama, I have always been very skeptical, I guess I've figured out why, I'm very upset right now  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Nothing ever made sense to me, nothing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 03:59:23 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

wow, thank you dd. i am completely disturbed right now and am saying prayers for this woman and her family, especially her son who is being framed. what a sin.  something is not right in mccleary


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 04:00:26 PM
wow DD.  now i have a few thoughts under my hat. ::MonkeyMad::
And I'm telling you mama, I have always been very skeptical, I guess I've figured out why, I'm very upset right now  ::MonkeyNoNo:: Nothing ever made sense to me, nothing.
yep. ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 04:00:52 PM
Who is being framed?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us,  but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 27, 2009, 04:05:01 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html

Thanks DD


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
Vigil video and of course the video won't play for me as it says I need to download flash 9 which I have already downloaded like 10 times.....but it still won't play lol
Anyway,also a update on the search from this weekend.

http://www.king5.com/localnews/stories/NW_092709WAB-lindsey-baum-vigil-SW.1bfd25683.html


Thanks Karma  ::MonkeyCool::
You're welcome NoRose


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Heidismom on September 27, 2009, 04:11:18 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?

Not odd at all!  Mr. Self's house does not face Maple Street.  He is not in good health, was probably relaxing in his living room at that time in the the evening!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 04:14:26 PM
Who is being framed?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us,  but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



read dd's post on her website, it will explain everything


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 04:14:47 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?

Not odd at all!  Mr. Self's house does not face Maple Street.  He is not in good health, was probably relaxing in his living room at that time in the the evening!
And being 79 years of age, he might not jump up to look at things, or his hearing may not be good.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 04:24:29 PM
DD,were they looking for Lindseys bathing suit?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 04:26:13 PM
DD,were they looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 04:34:39 PM
DD,were they looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
  ::MonkeyEek::
That's just the impression I got when reading what DD wrote about the search.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
DD,were they looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
  ::MonkeyEek::



very interesting. my first instinct was a bathing suit or some type of jacket. and if it was a bathing suit they are lookin for then that just blows the whole story we were told from the beginning out of the water


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 04:39:45 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html
OMG, thank-you very much for explaining this, here is a woman that is helping and look what you get, I feel terrible for her, and if I were her, I wouldn't help another living soul  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Now, I'm not even going to get started on this Jenn person, what I feel is irrelevant, but I have read pretty much all she has posted, and I will drop it. My belief in what happened to this little child never strayed from my mind. Yes, I went here and there with my thoughts, but I always came back to the original thoughts, and after reading what you posted DD I guess I wasn't wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I appreciate all you do, and when you speak to the poster please tell her thank-you from me, and take care, which sounds like that will be very difficult to do.


No Rose, I'm with you.  I'm sure we will hear about probable cause,etc.  but I know that there have been some fishy things going on out of the people's mouths themselves, those surrounding Lindsey, that are right here on these boards.  I also agree that a suspect/suspect's family would not call in a dog handler in hopes to find where Lindsey is.  Whatever the answers are, I believe someone is getting closer to finding out.  Please, please, someone tell what they know to bring Lindsey where she belongs.  Thank you DD.  For what it is worth, I have myself been following the other forum and that particular poster and kept having a nagging feeling about their control issues over this case/search/MB,etc.  It might not be transparent at first, but if you read the whole body of work, it's weird.  IMO   As I posted before, is tthe misdirection and control due to massive egos, sick fascination, or something more sinister?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 04:44:34 PM
I don't know what to say anymore. I am flabbergasted. Where is MM? ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 04:53:45 PM
I have little time to keep up here.  I am doing the best I can.  My fingers and wrists are numb from typing. I am trying me best.

its time to clear up a lot of BS..

I will start by explaining whose house was searched, etc. I have persmission to do this, this person wants the truth out, and all the crap to stop.  I do too.

http://truecrime.forums-free.com/what-is-going-on-t1360.html
OMG, thank-you very much for explaining this, here is a woman that is helping and look what you get, I feel terrible for her, and if I were her, I wouldn't help another living soul  ::MonkeyNoNo::  Now, I'm not even going to get started on this Jenn person, what I feel is irrelevant, but I have read pretty much all she has posted, and I will drop it. My belief in what happened to this little child never strayed from my mind. Yes, I went here and there with my thoughts, but I always came back to the original thoughts, and after reading what you posted DD I guess I wasn't wrong  ::MonkeyNoNo:: I appreciate all you do, and when you speak to the poster please tell her thank-you from me, and take care, which sounds like that will be very difficult to do.


No Rose, I'm with you.  I'm sure we will hear about probable cause,etc.  but I know that there have been some fishy things going on out of the people's mouths themselves, those surrounding Lindsey, that are right here on these boards.  I also agree that a suspect/suspect's family would not call in a dog handler in hopes to find where Lindsey is.  Whatever the answers are, I believe someone is getting closer to finding out.  Please, please, someone tell what they know to bring Lindsey where she belongs.  Thank you DD.  For what it is worth, I have myself been following the other forum and that particular poster and kept having a nagging feeling about their control issues over this case/search/MB,etc.  It might not be transparent at first, but if you read the whole body of work, it's weird.  IMO   As I posted before, is tthe misdirection and control due to massive egos, sick fascination, or something more sinister?
Madre, you are right, the two forums she posts on, something, I can't pinpoint has bothered me. Why in the world do some people think this is somekind of a game? I can't begin to express how upset I am with three cases, Lindsey, Haleigh and Caylee, and the insane nonsense surrounding these cases.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 04:54:25 PM
I don't know what to say anymore. I am flabbergasted. Where is MM? ::MonkeyRoll::
Good question, huh?  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 05:11:45 PM
madre- i agree with you and nrcg. these posts have always bothered me by her, like it is some type of control issue, or she thinks its cool to be in the "inside circle" with all the players on the case and now she's over there accusing dd of lying. oh well. thankfully i think its pretty obvious that DD has all of her facts together.

i am also wondering where MM is right now.

i think if we take some of the info we got from dd's website it's clear that they were searching for something that based on statements made by kk and others, lb wasn't wearing at the time she was seen leaving kk's house.  to me, that means that kk could be lying about what lb was last seen wearing, or maybe lb stopped home again to get this thing they were looking for in the search warrants before she disappeared, or ....ugh  i dont even know, i need to wrap my head around all of this


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 05:18:31 PM
Pictures of Mayor Bentley:

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 05:20:33 PM
madre- i agree with you and nrcg. these posts have always bothered me by her, like it is some type of control issue, or she thinks its cool to be in the "inside circle" with all the players on the case and now she's over there accusing dd of lying. oh well. thankfully i think its pretty obvious that DD has all of her facts together.

i am also wondering where MM is right now.

i think if we take some of the info we got from dd's website it's clear that they were searching for something that based on statements made by kk and others, lb wasn't wearing at the time she was seen leaving kk's house.  to me, that means that kk could be lying about what lb was last seen wearing, or maybe lb stopped home again to get this thing they were looking for in the search warrants before she disappeared, or ....ugh  i dont even know, i need to wrap my head around all of this


Yes Sunshine12, some, if not all of the "facts" of that day that have been the jumping off point for investigation, could be false.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

Hi Karma, I know I am now 2 pages behind, but agree with you.  Being the mayor might hamper a thorough investigation by his peers.  The one saving grace is the FBI is still involved, right?  They would look at him as a citizen and not skirt him in their work because he holds a political position IMO. 

I don't think anyone has been cleared in the case, right?  Publicly that is, by LE.  I brought a link over to WS last night that was worded so oddly.  It said SS like LE have looked at allot of people and ruled most of them out in Lindsey's case.  That struck me as saying there must be some people they have doubts about, right?  I'll go regrab that snip but don't think I have the link.  It was several pages back here.

Also, it is true that journos often get the slant wrong.  But the way the article was worded it seemed so clear, one saw kids playing at that time and the other didn't and they live houses away from each other!   xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 05:33:51 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 05:33:53 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 05:34:47 PM
madre- i agree with you and nrcg. these posts have always bothered me by her, like it is some type of control issue, or she thinks its cool to be in the "inside circle" with all the players on the case and now she's over there accusing dd of lying. oh well. thankfully i think its pretty obvious that DD has all of her facts together.

i am also wondering where MM is right now.

i think if we take some of the info we got from dd's website it's clear that they were searching for something that based on statements made by kk and others, lb wasn't wearing at the time she was seen leaving kk's house.  to me, that means that kk could be lying about what lb was last seen wearing, or maybe lb stopped home again to get this thing they were looking for in the search warrants before she disappeared, or ....ugh  i dont even know, i need to wrap my head around all of this
i never read ws...(i boycotted them when i couldn't be a member with a yahoo e-mail. ::MonkeyConfused:: i still have no idea what thats all about)  gimme the dirt!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 05:35:41 PM
Who is being framed?

 ::MonkeyConfused::

Janet

+++++++


Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us,  but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


read dd's post on her website, it will explain everything


Thank you Sunshine.  Thank you DD.

If Tamikosmom was singled out by LE as a person of interest in the Lindsey Baum case because of false speculation of others and ... the authorities arrived at our door with or without a search warrant ... in the process of elimination ... hubby and I would step aside to let them in and ... instruct them to go for it but ... please excuse the mess because I spend hours on the computer and ... seldom clean house.  With or without a warrant ... in the process of elimination ... the searching of our property would meet with the same compliance.  Closure and justice for Lindsey would demand it.

Kona ... thank you for all you do in making a stand for Lindsey Baum ... a stand that was not without personal consequences.  This old world needs more Konas.

I can now appreciate how Wayne Watne and Jim Mullins must have felt when they were also targeted as persons of interest by internet posters.  Wayne Watne ... for all we know ... his only motivation was to be a positive influence in the life of Josh Braum and a provider of support for an overwelmed single Mom.  Jim Mullins ... for all we know ... was a man who took pleasure in watching young people play as they played in the creek on his property.

My heart goes out to Kona and her family, Wayne Watne and Jim Mullin.  The focus of suspicion must be hurtful to all of them.  Nevertheless ... a ten year old little girl is missing and ... and persons of interest that come to the attention of LE must be investigated in the process of elimination.

Sincerely, Janet

+++++


JIM MULLIN

Search ramps up for McCleary girl
10:19 PM PDT on Tuesday, June 30, 2009


Instead of kids playing in Jim Mullin's creek, search dogs were back on his property. It's the sixth time his place has been searched.

He misses the kids.

"Since this happened there hasn't been kids out here at all. They're usually running all over," he said.

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_063009WAB-Mccleary-girl-search-LJ.1fc0b759.html


Jim Mullin
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5606.0


WAYNE WATNE

She’s no runaway, family says
By Steven Friederich - The Daily World
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT


Lindsey was in Girl Scouts. She went to church at the Evergreen Christian Center in McCleary, an offshoot of a larger church in west Olympia. She sometimes worked the front counter at Baum’s store in Elma, a “dollar store.”

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4ba94721f78989072462.txt


Hundreds gather for Baum vigil
By Callie White - The Daily World
Wednesday, July 1, 2009 12:13 PM PDT


Wayne Watne of Evergreen Christian Community in Olympia and two other local ministers said prayers for Lindsey’s return. Watne took speakers from the assembled crowd. Friends of the family stepped up, taking turns expressing their hope and their pain.

http://**/articles/2009/07/01/local_news/doc4a4baa38c6082474655699.txt


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1245 on: July 05, 2009, 11:23:14 PM »


Josh does not have any regular friends that I am aware of but I will ask around but I know Wayne Watne tries to help out there by taking him fishing and there may be other adults and such that have stepped in to provide friendship as well. Most of the time that I see Josh he is hanging out with Lindsey and my 10 and 11 yr old.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg865772#msg865772

Wayne Watne
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5614.0


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 05:36:28 PM
Pictures of Mayor Bentley:

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
Thanks Fanny!
Wonder why the Mayor chose June 26th as a special day(officially)for a retiring council member when she retired on June 24th?

Mayor Bentley thanked Donnie Rostedt, for over 35 years of service at her final council meeting.

 

During the council meeting on June 24th, 2009 Mayor Bentley declared June 26, 2009 as "Donnie Rostedt Day"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also,look at all those sores and stratches on another council member's legs during the parade ride with the Mayor.
I think I am getting more paranoid than I already was  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 05:38:11 PM
Pictures of Mayor Bentley:

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
cool.  if you scroll down you can see pictures of the city counsel and their 'goals'


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 05:42:05 PM
Sorry but again bringing a snippet from the Ron & Don radio show interviewing Rick Scott, undersheriff, my bold.  These are the only facts for sure, that I know of at this point.  Soooo...from 9:30 to 10:50pm, what happened to Lindsey?  3 to 4 blocks from home or what location, Kara's?

Prayers for Lindsey


This is one of the interviews

Monday, August 31, 2009
3:00 pm-4:00 pm

Don went down to McCreary, WA to help out in the search for Lindsey Baum. Rick Scott, the Grays Harbor County undersheriff talked to Ron and Don about the abduction. Don talks about what it was like to go down and search for Lindsey.


Don:
Could you tell everybody kind of the Lindsey Baum story and what we know at this point just to kind of reset, for those of our listeners right now, that may not be familiar with Lindsey’s story.

Rick:
Well on June 26th of this year, Lindsey disappeared walking home from a friends house in mcCleary, Wash. And she was last seen at about 9:30 pm, by locals that we identified who knew her from living in a small town. She was headed home to her residence roughly 3-4 blocks from that location on one of the secondary streets there in McCleary when she was last seen, ultimately did not return by 10:00 pm as she’d been told by her mother. Following that, her mom called around trying to find her, failing to do so, she went out looking for her herself, then at about 10:50pm that evening, reported her missing to the McCleary police department. They began then to aid in the search for her looking around town. By the following morning, she had not been found our department was contacted then and search and recue resources were activated on that Saturday, and that essentially kicked off what has been a massive search for Lindsey. At first focussing on searching in and around McCleary with the use of search & Rescue volunteers, at times totalled about 100 people were used to search in and around the community. We also within 24 hrs of her disappearance began to activate law enforcement resources in the belief that this was beginning to look more like a criminal investigation then a missing child so to speak, and that’s when I was brought in then.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 05:43:53 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 05:47:25 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 05:50:47 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet


::MonkeyWink::
I was actually thinking the LE have nothing and they are now just trying to throw some hope out there that they have POI that they are checking out.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 05:51:57 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 05:54:26 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?

Not odd at all!  Mr. Self's house does not face Maple Street.  He is not in good health, was probably relaxing in his living room at that time in the the evening!


Thanks Heidismom,  Glad you are here to point that out.  Does Maple street go uphill abit going from 6th west towards 7th and 8th?  And then looking back down Maple from there, would there have been a lot of tree foliage  obstructing a view of 6th st and beyond back in June?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 05:54:27 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet


::MonkeyWink::
I was actually thinking the LE have nothing and they are now just trying to throw some hope out there that they have POI that they are checking out.

I believe the words "most cases" imply that SGT.Steve Shumate was not necessarily referring to the Lindsey Baum case.  Hey ... I could be wrong.

Janet
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 05:55:57 PM
Quote
in most cases they ended up not being involved

uggg...between the speech patterns and the reporting.  so if in most cases they ended up not being involved i would have to assume that in at least one case someone/something did end up being involved. ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: MelissaMcCann on September 27, 2009, 05:59:24 PM
not sure why anyone was wondering where i was but here i am, not staying on, spending the day with the kids now that they are home.

was a lovely vigil last nite, good turn out, disappointed LE backed out at the last minute though

super glad nothing came out of the search at kona's

have a lovely day


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:02:19 PM
Karma

I read SGT.Steve Shumate words again.  You are right.  The implication is that LE remains focused on some persons of interest.  Could it be that there is a person/persons of interest but ... no supporting evidence?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 06:05:29 PM
Pictures of Mayor Bentley:

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
Thanks Fanny!
Wonder why the Mayor chose June 26th as a special day(officially)for a retiring council member when she retired on June 24th?

Mayor Bentley thanked Donnie Rostedt, for over 35 years of service at her final council meeting.

 

During the council meeting on June 24th, 2009 Mayor Bentley declared June 26, 2009 as "Donnie Rostedt Day"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Also,look at all those sores and stratches on another council member's legs during the parade ride with the Mayor.
I think I am getting more paranoid than I already was  ::MonkeyConfused::

I think that was the same parade for the Bear Festival that set me off. There was a child missing! She disappeared just a few days before.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:08:53 PM
not sure why anyone was wondering where i was but here i am, not staying on, spending the day with the kids now that they are home.

was a lovely vigil last nite, good turn out, disappointed LE backed out at the last minute though

super glad nothing came out of the search at kona's

have a lovely day

Melissa

Do you have any empathy for what Kona and her family must have gone through ... gone through for putting themselves out there for the past three months for a mission they believed worthy ... a mission with the objective of bringing Lindsey Baum home?

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 06:09:26 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet


::MonkeyWink::
I was actually thinking the LE have nothing and they are now just trying to throw some hope out there that they have POI that they are checking out.

I believe the words "most cases" imply that SGT.Steve Shumate was not necessarily referring to the Lindsey Baum case.  Hey ... I could be wrong.

Janet
 
::MonkeyHaHa:: we both posted the same time on the same thing and are on different sides of the fence.  i got a chuckle 'cause as soon as i saw mine i saw yours... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 06:15:23 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 06:17:14 PM
Karma

I read SGT.Steve Shumate words again.  You are right.  The implication is that LE remains focused on some persons of interest.  Could it be that there is a person/persons of interest but ... no supporting evidence?

Janet


i believe that le prob have some ideas on who to focus on but i think maybe a lack of evidence, combined with all the lies people in that town are telling can get a little confusing so they are prob still having to cut through a bunch of bs to get to the truth


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:18:43 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet


::MonkeyWink::
I was actually thinking the LE have nothing and they are now just trying to throw some hope out there that they have POI that they are checking out.

I believe the words "most cases" imply that SGT.Steve Shumate was not necessarily referring to the Lindsey Baum case.  Hey ... I could be wrong.

Janet
 
::MonkeyHaHa:: we both posted the same time on the same thing and are on different sides of the fence.  i got a chuckle 'cause as soon as i saw mine i saw yours... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::

I flip flopped.  Read my last post on the topic.  We are on the same side of the fence.  I have to learn to read more carefully.  Scanning implies I do not get the intended meaning.

I hope you are having a good day mamacrazy.

 ::MonkeyBike::

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 06:22:03 PM
Janet

its my day off ::MonkeySlide:: ::MonkeyDance::  it would be better if there was a break in this (Lindsey needs to come home).  but a day spent with monkeys is alway a good day.   ::MonkeyJnBox::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 06:27:10 PM
Karma

I read SGT.Steve Shumate words again.  You are right.  The implication is that LE remains focused on some persons of interest.  Could it be that there is a person/persons of interest but ... no supporting evidence?

Janet

That is very possible.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 06:28:23 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 06:28:49 PM
Pictures of Mayor Bentley:

http://www.cityofmccleary.com/index.asp?Type=B_LIST&SEC={2F17A6E9-6C9A-43CB-B97D-E6EA41A15685}
Thanks Fanny  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:29:04 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?

Not odd at all!  Mr. Self's house does not face Maple Street.  He is not in good health, was probably relaxing in his living room at that time in the the evening!


Thanks Heidismom,  Glad you are here to point that out.  Does Maple street go uphill abit going from 6th west towards 7th and 8th?  And then looking back down Maple from there, would there have been a lot of tree foliage  obstructing a view of 6th st and beyond back in June?

The witness' sightings of Lindsey were on 5th and Maple shortly after 9:30 PM

Janet

+++++++

KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342

++++++


Lindsey's friend's is approx 4 blocks from Lindsey's house, and is on MAPLE St.  I could not find the exact address so went to 4th street intersection.  It is probably closer than that as Maple runs into 3rd to jog over to Mommens. 
When you blow up the google map, 3rd shows as the old highway you see on this map(in yellow).  I don't know if you walk down the old highway or not, or if there is a parellel street which is 3rd. 

Memmons also turns into Fir Street then back into Memmons, but you don't see it on this map.  So this map might be a little bit off.  I will fix it later if we find out it in not exactly correct but this shows us basically where Lindsey was walking. 

I will use this map as a blank and keep adding anything we find of interest.

(http://i708.photobucket.com/albums/ww90/doubledeck/lindsey%20baum%20case/baummap1.jpg)




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 06:29:34 PM
This image from JVK's picture album at WS......kinda creeps me out.
I guess I am just not understanding how a little 10 year old girl with little girl fears(afraid of the dark)could be all into the twilight thing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/92609twilight.jpg)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 06:30:57 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox


With all due respect Scandi, monkeys know about probable cause, search warrants, etc.  I do hope you understand that some if not all of us are very concerned about a fellow poster who may have been horribly wronged.  As for probable cause, etc.  I know you are aware of cases all over this country where people have not only been unjustly accused, but convicted as well.  I can point you to the Daryll Hunt case in N.C. for starters.  Also, just because I know the above does not necessarily mean I don't believe in the integrity of LE.  They can, and have been, led astray in some cases in the past, especially when the pressure is on for results.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 06:31:45 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause?
humm.  i have about eight different answers.  but none of them have to do with real probable cause.  small town politics, squeeky wheels, lies, lies, more lies ect.  jmo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 06:32:21 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause? quote]

I wonder if it has anything to do with his myspace account? Not the nicest, but most of them are not. At least with those under 30


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 06:35:17 PM
This image from JVK's picture album at WS......kinda creeps me out.
I guess I am just not understanding how a little 10 year old girl with little girl fears(afraid of the dark)could be all into the twilight thing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/92609twilight.jpg)

Karma, i understand but neither the books nor the movie are really scary.  hubs convinced me a while back to watch it on ppv with him.  5 bucks and 2 hours i will never get back. ::MonkeyNoNo::.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 06:37:35 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
What are you thinking Karma, I must not be thinking clearly, are you thinking perhaps she disappeared earlier in the day? Didn't the kids swim earlier that day, at one of the friend's house, we saw a pic of the house and pool.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 06:37:37 PM
shoot hit post to soon.  i was gonna say its more of a love story about vampires that don't want to be vampires and fall for humans.  thats what i got out of it...  (fyi...bad movie.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 06:38:28 PM
Here is that article I shagged from yesterday, bolded by me ::MonkeyDevil2::

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009

MCCLEARY, Wash. -- Evidence was been collected from a 10-acre property Friday after detectives served a search warrant in connection with the disappearance of Lindsey Baum, detectives said.
Detectives searched the property in the McCleary area looking for evidence that could lead to 11-year-old Baum who disappeared June 26 while walking home from a friend’s house.

"It has been the longest three months of my life," said Lindsey’s mother, Melissa Baum.

The Grays Harbor Sheriff's Office, the FBI and the King County Sheriff's Office served the search warrants Friday morning and expect the continue searching through the weekend.

“We are looking obviously for the clothing that she was last seen wearing, we're looking for any sort of trace evidence that might be related back to Lindsey Baum," said Sgt. Steve Shumate of the Grays Harbor Sheriff’s Office.

All four members of the family who live on property are being interviewed, but police said nobody is being called a suspect.

Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".
That was stated by SGT.Steve Shumate of Grays Harbor County.
They sure have a weird way of making statements  ::MonkeyEek::

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Karma ... I was thinking that this statement is one of the few statements of LE in this case that does make sense.

Janet


::MonkeyWink::
I was actually thinking the LE have nothing and they are now just trying to throw some hope out there that they have POI that they are checking out.

I believe the words "most cases" imply that SGT.Steve Shumate was not necessarily referring to the Lindsey Baum case.  Hey ... I could be wrong.

Janet
 
::MonkeyHaHa:: we both posted the same time on the same thing and are on different sides of the fence.  i got a chuckle 'cause as soon as i saw mine i saw yours... ::MonkeyHaHa:: ::MonkeyAngel::

Not being stubborn here, but I still read that as 'in most cases' THEY {the individuals referred to above in the quote who they have questioned} ended up not being involved in Lindsey's case. 

Sometimes it takes time and new evidence to come forward to rule out someone who might have had either an opportunity, a motive and the means to abduct a child.  Just sayin'


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 06:40:32 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause?
I'm wondering that also  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

I hope that is true, as I have not read that. I was referring to the time when Lindsey went missing, and there was an assistant special agent for the FBI who was the only one even on the case at the time when the case was still a hot one. Have the FBI been visible in McCleary, or are they working the case from 20 miles away? A small town like McCleary would notice FBI in their midst. I saw the warrants were being served by the Grays Country SO, but I don't remember seeing anything about an FBI presence.

I was thinking more in the line of the Federal Attorney General's office who investigate police departments or the State's Attorney General's office, and sending in some State Investigators to see what the heck is going on in McCleary. Too much time has past, and way too much cloak and dagger stuff. IMO

I am well aware of what the 4th amendment is, and I have made my position clear about it in past posts. As Janet pointed out, doors would be thrown open with welcomes to search if people were REALLY concerned over a missing child. JMO

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 06:43:23 PM
Correction to my above post to say:  "Sometimes it takes time and new evidence to come forward to rule out someone who might have had the opportunity, a motive and the means to abduct a child.  Just sayin'.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: atlanta_mom on September 27, 2009, 06:43:50 PM
This image from JVK's picture album at WS......kinda creeps me out.
I guess I am just not understanding how a little 10 year old girl with little girl fears(afraid of the dark)could be all into the twilight thing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/92609twilight.jpg)


I understand that.  It is a love story. "love conquers all".  The characters are outsiders and maybe she relates to that a little.  I don't think she looks at the characters as "dark". 

This sounds really stupid (and I am ashamed)  but I used to really like the Buffy-Angel relationship in Buffy the vampire slayer.  I would watch it each week.    ::MonkeyTease::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:51:46 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause? quote]

I wonder if it has anything to do with his myspace account? Not the nicest, but most of them are not. At least with those under 30

LE do use myspace as an investigative to do a background on persons of interest in case as well as the victim  I should know ... I have watched CSI.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey ... whatever led the LE to a search of the properties own by Kona and prompted an interrogation of the family ... in the process of elimination ... needed to be check out.

Janet

++++++++

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
It is hard to imagine that certain locals have enough power to get this kind of investigation going based on rumors alone. We all know that it sometimes takes an act of God to get LE moving on anything. I have emailed with Kona back and forth and by all accounts she appeared to be truly trying to find answers to bring little Lindsey home. I cannot help but wonder if she and her family were used as scapegoats by the real perp. Perhaps because it has become common knowledge that there are those in town that don't like her? You plant some evidence on her property and those locals lap it up with a spoon and fork because, after all, she was not well liked by them. I don't know, I am getting that "hinky" feeling again.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 06:54:48 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox


With all due respect Scandi, monkeys know about probable cause, search warrants, etc.  I do hope you understand that some if not all of us are very concerned about a fellow poster who may have been horribly wronged.  As for probable cause, etc.  I know you are aware of cases all over this country where people have not only been unjustly accused, but convicted as well.  I can point you to the Daryll Hunt case in N.C. for starters.  Also, just because I know the above does not necessarily mean I don't believe in the integrity of LE.  They can, and have been, led astray in some cases in the past, especially when the pressure is on for results.



No offense taken Madre.  I don't know anything about our fellow poster who might have been wronged.  Now that I have caught up I will go read at DD's site and maybe I will learn about it there.  Heck, I am still trying to figure out who the poster is whose house or property was searched by LE in ref to Lindsey's case.!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 06:55:36 PM
one thing that is bothering me a little bit, is that the cops had to have probable cause to search that property or the judge wouldn't have signed the search warrant.  i guess in my head im trying to think of what probable cause they had. would information given to them by a local trying to frame these people be enough for probable cause?


I wonder if it has anything to do with his myspace account? Not the nicest, but most of them are not. At least with those under 30

SELF EDIT


LE do use myspace as an investigative to do a background on persons of interest in case as well as the victim  I should know ... I have watched CSI.

 ::MonkeyHaHa::

Hey ... whatever led the LE to a search of the properties own by Kona and prompted an interrogation of the family ... in the process of elimination ... needed to be check out.

Janet

++++++++

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

"This is no different than other persons of interest we have had in the past. We have looked into those individuals, we have deemed to be persons of interest and in most cases they ended up not being involved in the disappearance of Lindsey Baum," Shumate said".

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Fanny Mae on September 27, 2009, 07:05:11 PM
It is hard to imagine that certain locals have enough power to get this kind of investigation going based on rumors alone. We all know that it sometimes takes an act of God to get LE moving on anything. I have emailed with Kona back and forth and by all accounts she appeared to be truly trying to find answers to bring little Lindsey home. I cannot help but wonder if she and her family were used as scapegoats by the real perp. Perhaps because it has become common knowledge that there are those in town that don't like her? You plant some evidence on her property and those locals lap it up with a spoon and fork because, after all, she was not well liked by them. I don't know, I am getting that "hinky" feeling again.

They might if they have connections to the Mayor or City council members.....Guess who runs the local police department?  Also, as I stated on the Haleigh thread, the LE is a cross section of the community. They are kin and married and are friends and business acquaintances within the community. Their kids go to school there etc. That goes for Grays County too. Or anyplace. Politics reins everywhere. JMO


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 07:06:04 PM

Not being stubborn here, but I still read that as 'in most cases' THEY {the individuals referred to above in the quote who they have questioned} ended up not being involved in Lindsey's case. 

Sometimes it takes time and new evidence to come forward to rule out someone who might have had either an opportunity, a motive and the means to abduct a child.  Just sayin'

You are correct.  I changed my position in a later post.

Janet

+++++


Karma

I read SGT.Steve Shumate words again.  You are right.  The implication is that LE remains focused on some persons of interest in the Lindsey Baum case.  Could it be that there is a person/persons of interest but ... no supporting evidence?

Janet




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 07:07:40 PM
Are you still around MM? You are part of the inner circle so I was hoping you could help me understand a few things. Who hates the poster and why? Is there something weird about her son compared to other weird kids his age? I am sorry, but having raised two teenagers already, I think they all go through weird fazes. Especially the boys.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 07:10:21 PM
It is hard to imagine that certain locals have enough power to get this kind of investigation going based on rumors alone. We all know that it sometimes takes an act of God to get LE moving on anything. I have emailed with Kona back and forth and by all accounts she appeared to be truly trying to find answers to bring little Lindsey home. I cannot help but wonder if she and her family were used as scapegoats by the real perp. Perhaps because it has become common knowledge that there are those in town that don't like her? You plant some evidence on her property and those locals lap it up with a spoon and fork because, after all, she was not well liked by them. I don't know, I am getting that "hinky" feeling again.
That could be, but I wonder what has she done that people would do that. Perhaps because she was being helpful and getting to close too info that the perp didn't want her to know.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:10:38 PM
This image from JVK's picture album at WS......kinda creeps me out.
I guess I am just not understanding how a little 10 year old girl with little girl fears(afraid of the dark)could be all into the twilight thing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/92609twilight.jpg)

Karma, i understand but neither the books nor the movie are really scary.  hubs convinced me a while back to watch it on ppv with him.  5 bucks and 2 hours i will never get back. ::MonkeyNoNo::.
I could never watch it or read it,I try to stay away from vampires and supernatual stuff even though I like Stephen King.Still.....some of his movies I can't watch and I still cannot read Salems Lot  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:20:53 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
What are you thinking Karma, I must not be thinking clearly, are you thinking perhaps she disappeared earlier in the day? Didn't the kids swim earlier that day, at one of the friend's house, we saw a pic of the house and pool.
I'm thinking there is still something off about that house she swam at for 2 days in a row with girls that were just recently her enemies.I'm also thinking that the whole timeline for Lindsey to:
1)go swimming all day
2)go to video store and play around while the so called friends rented movies
3)walk home with Kayla
4)take a shower or bath and change into clothes
5)walk to Shell station on a broken bike
6)argue with Josh
7)leave bike at Shell station
8)keep walking and arguing with Josh
9)neighbor/friend of family sends Josh home
10)Lindsey and Kayla walk on to Kayla's house
She was seen in the video store at 8:19 IIRC and so that leaves about 45 minutes or so to do #2 thru #10
I'm thinking she may not have done #4


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 07:25:17 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
What are you thinking Karma, I must not be thinking clearly, are you thinking perhaps she disappeared earlier in the day? Didn't the kids swim earlier that day, at one of the friend's house, we saw a pic of the house and pool.
I'm thinking there is still something off about that house she swam at for 2 days in a row with girls that were just recently her enemies.I'm also thinking that the whole timeline for Lindsey to:
1)go swimming all day
2)go to video store and play around while the so called friends rented movies
3)walk home with Kayla
4)take a shower or bath and change into clothes
5)walk to Shell station on a broken bike
6)argue with Josh
7)leave bike at Shell station
8)keep walking and arguing with Josh
9)neighbor/friend of family sends Josh home
10)Lindsey and Kayla walk on to Kayla's house
She was seen in the video store at 8:19 IIRC and so that leaves about 45 minutes or so to do #2 thru #10
I'm thinking she may not have done #4

Thank you Karma for laying it out like this.  Also, maybe she never went home at all? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 07:26:23 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 07:27:51 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: atlanta_mom on September 27, 2009, 07:29:57 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

Probably way off, but I wonder if she drowned.  Maybe mood:wet on myspace was not so innocent.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 07:32:09 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

Probably way off, but I wonder if she drowned.  Maybe mood:wet on myspace was not so innocent.

I had forgotten about that Atlanta_Mom!!!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
This image from JVK's picture album at WS......kinda creeps me out.
I guess I am just not understanding how a little 10 year old girl with little girl fears(afraid of the dark)could be all into the twilight thing.

(http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x183/Smishy_2007/92609twilight.jpg)


I understand that.  It is a love story. "love conquers all".  The characters are outsiders and maybe she relates to that a little.  I don't think she looks at the characters as "dark". 

This sounds really stupid (and I am ashamed)  but I used to really like the Buffy-Angel relationship in Buffy the vampire slayer.  I would watch it each week.    ::MonkeyTease::
LOL....not me  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 07:32:36 PM
It is hard to imagine that certain locals have enough power to get this kind of investigation going based on rumors alone. We all know that it sometimes takes an act of God to get LE moving on anything. I have emailed with Kona back and forth and by all accounts she appeared to be truly trying to find answers to bring little Lindsey home. I cannot help but wonder if she and her family were used as scapegoats by the real perp. Perhaps because it has become common knowledge that there are those in town that don't like her? You plant some evidence on her property and those locals lap it up with a spoon and fork because, after all, she was not well liked by them. I don't know, I am getting that "hinky" feeling again.

Hi sebastian

A genuine suspicion may have been based on the fact that ... according to DD .. Kona inserted herself personally in the case.  Not only do many with sincere motives become active along side an investigation in persuit of answers but ... so do the perps who have a personal agenda to obstruct the investigation by distract from themselves and ... distracting from the evidence.  Perps have been known to speak publicly on behalf of the victim as well as appear to search for the missing.

It appears that Kona's neighbours stand behind the family.  I have not heard anything negative.

Janet

+++++

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Police have yet to find big break in case
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 07:33:59 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house
why do you think that...(sorry but i'm mamanosey30 right now.)


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:39:13 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
What are you thinking Karma, I must not be thinking clearly, are you thinking perhaps she disappeared earlier in the day? Didn't the kids swim earlier that day, at one of the friend's house, we saw a pic of the house and pool.
I'm thinking there is still something off about that house she swam at for 2 days in a row with girls that were just recently her enemies.I'm also thinking that the whole timeline for Lindsey to:
1)go swimming all day
2)go to video store and play around while the so called friends rented movies
3)walk home with Kayla
4)take a shower or bath and change into clothes
5)walk to Shell station on a broken bike
6)argue with Josh
7)leave bike at Shell station
8)keep walking and arguing with Josh
9)neighbor/friend of family sends Josh home
10)Lindsey and Kayla walk on to Kayla's house
She was seen in the video store at 8:19 IIRC and so that leaves about 45 minutes or so to do #2 thru #10
I'm thinking she may not have done #4

Thank you Karma for laying it out like this.  Also, maybe she never went home at all? 
You're welcome Madre
I think she did go home because her phone was left at home charging and Kayla was with her the whole day.I don't think Kayla would lie about any of that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 07:39:39 PM
EVIDENCE?

Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

Pimentel said the next step is sending the dozens of boxes and bags of evidence on to the state’s crime lab for forensic analysis.

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 27, 2009, 07:40:01 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house
why do you think that...(sorry but i'm mamanosey30 right now.)

I am Sebastiannosey, lol! If they were looking for the bathing suit, then the whole original story goes right out the window. Unless we were all duped and she was actually wearing the bathingsuit when she walked home from KK's house. If that is the case, ANYONE could have planted the bathingsuit.

Again, MM, where are you? I truly want your help this time!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 07:41:38 PM
DD,were the LE looking for Lindseys bathing suit?
What are you thinking Karma, I must not be thinking clearly, are you thinking perhaps she disappeared earlier in the day? Didn't the kids swim earlier that day, at one of the friend's house, we saw a pic of the house and pool.
I'm thinking there is still something off about that house she swam at for 2 days in a row with girls that were just recently her enemies.I'm also thinking that the whole timeline for Lindsey to:
1)go swimming all day
2)go to video store and play around while the so called friends rented movies
3)walk home with Kayla
4)take a shower or bath and change into clothes
5)walk to Shell station on a broken bike
6)argue with Josh
7)leave bike at Shell station
8)keep walking and arguing with Josh
9)neighbor/friend of family sends Josh home
10)Lindsey and Kayla walk on to Kayla's house
She was seen in the video store at 8:19 IIRC and so that leaves about 45 minutes or so to do #2 thru #10
I'm thinking she may not have done #4

Thank you Karma for laying it out like this.  Also, maybe she never went home at all? 
Excellent, thanks, when you look at all that, there isn't alot of time for number 4  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 07:43:46 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

Probably way off, but I wonder if she drowned.  Maybe mood:wet on myspace was not so innocent.
That has always bothered me  ::MonkeyEek:: And I never thought it was innocent, but never thought about drowning.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:44:09 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake
Hi ShortCake
In one of the media articles posted today,may have been the Daily World,the LE said it may have looked like they were looking for drugs/chemicals but they weren't.They were looking for evidence to do with Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 07:48:33 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake
Hi ShortCake
In one of the media articles posted today,may have been the Daily World,the LE said it may have looked like they were looking for drugs/chemicals but they weren't.They were looking for evidence to do with Lindsey.
That's true, but those HazMet suits I have never seen worn unless there was evidence or suspicion of somekind of drug or chemical  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 07:49:04 PM
or maybe we have really Really been duped and she skipped 6-9.  just throwin that out...you can throw it back if ya want
::ducking nanners:: :smt017 ::MonkeyBath2::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 07:50:56 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house
why do you think that...(sorry but i'm mamanosey30 right now.)


the reason i was thinking that, is because after reading dd's post it seemed pretty clear that what they were looking for should have been at lb's house, not anyone elses house, according to the original timeline and stories we heard from people regarding what lb was supposedly wearing that night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: atlanta_mom on September 27, 2009, 07:51:26 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

Probably way off, but I wonder if she drowned.  Maybe mood:wet on myspace was not so innocent.
That has always bothered me  ::MonkeyEek:: And I never thought it was innocent, but never thought about drowning.

I have always thought there was more to this than just a friend going on myspace for another friend.  But that was Kara's daughter, right?  Just seems odd.  Maybe they left here somewhere (not knowing she drowned) and was joking (or being mean) about her being wet thinking she would come home.  Pure speculation----it just seems odd. 

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: mamacrazy30 on September 27, 2009, 07:51:26 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

Probably way off, but I wonder if she drowned.  Maybe mood:wet on myspace was not so innocent.
That has always bothered me  ::MonkeyEek:: And I never thought it was innocent, but never thought about drowning.
iirc it started as adored with little floaty hearts to 'wet'. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: KarmaRoundUp on September 27, 2009, 07:57:40 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake
Hi ShortCake
In one of the media articles posted today,may have been the Daily World,the LE said it may have looked like they were looking for drugs/chemicals but they weren't.They were looking for evidence to do with Lindsey.
That's true, but those HazMet suits I have never seen worn unless there was evidence or suspicion of somekind of drug or chemical  ::MonkeyConfused::
That is strange,I have seen them wear the booties(on CSI)while investigating but not the whole suit.
It's almost like that whole search was just for show huh?

I have to say goodnight Monkeys,get ready for work tomorrow.....another day another dollar :)

Something has been bugging me about the name Self,the guy who lives across the street from the Mayor.Does anyone know if this would be the BeeHive retirement apartments where he lives?Also,I could have sworn we were trying to track down a RSO by the name of Ricky Self(in the beginning of this case).
I hope to find out more about that tomorrow.

Praying for you sweet Lindsey
 ::MonkeyAngel::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 07:59:06 PM
Hi Madre,  That was an eye opener for sure about Kona.  And whether or not she is liked or not by the townfolk, has been an activist in doing everything she can to help learn what happened to Lindsey or belongs here, I still agree with Janet when she says:  "Hey ... whatever led the LE to a search of the properties own by Kona and prompted an interrogation of the family ... in the process of elimination ... needed to be check out".  I hope there is nothing there as the neighbors say they must have the wrong house and family and then LE will move on if that is the case.  It would be interesting to see what pulls up on the white car shown at the searched property just for good measure.  Does she still post on the boards?

Question:  Where did we learn that Lindsey took a shower before heading over to KK's house?  I don't think it came from an official source as I remember - could be wrong.  She well could have had her suit on under her clothes.  Most kids don't always shower after swimming but just dry off with a towel and put their clothes back on IMO    Thanks for that timeline Karma.

Also,  what do we really know about Lindsey having another friend who lived on Maple where she supposedly stopped on her way home that night to see if she could spend the night and they said no.  Is that pure RUMOR?  Thanks




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 08:08:21 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake
Hi ShortCake
In one of the media articles posted today,may have been the Daily World,the LE said it may have looked like they were looking for drugs/chemicals but they weren't.They were looking for evidence to do with Lindsey.
That's true, but those HazMet suits I have never seen worn unless there was evidence or suspicion of somekind of drug or chemical  ::MonkeyConfused::

Could they have donned the suits to protect themselves in such ramshackle structures, the house and outbuildings.  It looked like it would be dangerous to even walk around outside!  If there is a problem with drugs in that town, an abandoned home would be perfect for those dealing.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 27, 2009, 08:14:37 PM
Karma

I have always thought the timeframe did not allow for showering and changing.  Lindsey was at the video store at 8:15 PM and ... at the Kampen/Williams at around 9:00 PM.

I could be wrong but ... I do not believe that a bath/changing, argument, intervention and a 15 minute walk all took place in 45 minutes. 

Maybe Lindsey just threw clothes over her bathing suit.

Hey ... where is it implied that investigators were looking for a bathing suit.

Janet

++++++

TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
0:00 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE

0:00 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
0:00 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHTING – 5TH AND MAPLE


The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


The Daily World – July 3, 2009

Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


KOMO News – June 28, 2009

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 08:46:09 PM
Karma

I have always thought the timeframe did not allow for showering and changing.  Lindsey was at the video store at 8:15 PM and ... at the Kampen/Williams at around 9:00 PM.

I could be wrong but ... I do not believe that a bath/changing, argument, intervention and a 15 minute walk all took place in 45 minutes. 

Maybe Lindsey just threw clothes over her bathing suit.

Hey ... where is it implied that investigators were looking for a bathing suit.

Janet

++++++

TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE
0:00 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE

0:00 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
0:00 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHTING – 5TH AND MAPLE


The Olympian – June 30, 2009

MCCLEARY – ... Linda Cunningham, owner of McCleary Video, said she remembers Lindsey coming into her store with a group of friends to rent movies around 8:15 Friday night. “They were all laughing and joking and having a good time.”

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/896613.html


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


The Daily World – July 3, 2009

Kara Kampen said she thought nothing of it when Lindsey Baum walked out of her house at about 9:15 p.m. last Friday.

http://**/articles/2009/07/03/local_news/doc4a4e415cdb51d302573546.txt


KOMO News – June 28, 2009

The friend's father, Scott Williams, said he asked Lindsey to go home before it got too dark.

"She was here 10, 15 minutes, and then, you know, we said, 'You should probably get going before it gets dark,' and that was the last we heard of her," he said.

Witnesses say Lindsey seemed normal as she headed out around 9:15.  

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/49383897.html



I think it was implied Tamikosmom.  But if her suit wasn't found at her house that must mean she wore it over to Kayla's under her clothes.  And it could be the profile of her abductor would state this person would remove that suit and not redress her in it as he would have no remorse.  It all depends on the profile, but it sounds like the perfect profile for a perp who only wants one thing, just sayin'.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 08:53:34 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 27, 2009, 09:02:37 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.

A little conflict of interest?  Judge required to excuse self.....hum....
 ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyNoNo:: ::MonkeyEek:: ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 09:08:45 PM
It is hard to imagine that certain locals have enough power to get this kind of investigation going based on rumors alone. We all know that it sometimes takes an act of God to get LE moving on anything. I have emailed with Kona back and forth and by all accounts she appeared to be truly trying to find answers to bring little Lindsey home. I cannot help but wonder if she and her family were used as scapegoats by the real perp. Perhaps because it has become common knowledge that there are those in town that don't like her? You plant some evidence on her property and those locals lap it up with a spoon and fork because, after all, she was not well liked by them. I don't know, I am getting that "hinky" feeling again.

Hi sebastian

A genuine suspicion may have been based on the fact that ... according to DD .. Kona inserted herself personally in the case.  Not only do many with sincere motives become active along side an investigation in persuit of answers but ... so do the perps who have a personal agenda to obstruct the investigation by distract from themselves and ... distracting from the evidence.  Perps have been known to speak publicly on behalf of the victim as well as appear to search for the missing.

It appears that Kona's neighbours stand behind the family.  I have not heard anything negative.

Janet

+++++

Search Warrants Served In Missing Girl Case
Posted: 11:42 am PDT September 25, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm PDT September 25, 2009


Neighbors said they don’t think police will find a thing.

"I just think they've got the wrong family. I'm sure they've got some sort of evidence or something, but I'm sure they've got the wrong family," said one neighbor who did not give his name.

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Police have yet to find big break in case
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

<snipped>

Pimentel noted that although the search warrants are getting a lot of attention, the Sheriff’s Office has “served dozens of search warrants” during the course of the three-month investigation.

“This is just one tip we’ve received that we decided to follow up on out of thousands, literally, thousands of tips,” Pimentel said. “The people we talked to yesterday were among the hundreds and hundreds of people we’ve talked to, as well.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt


also remember KONA is the direct reason Harry Oakes first got involved.  Kona is the one who initiated that and they LB's aunt is actually the one to request his services...

would KONA really want Harry Oakes and the dogs to come in if she thought they would lead to her properties or to something which would incriminate herself or her son.  I really doubt it. 

It seems Kona was the one wanting the dogs to come in, and it was MB who did not.

 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 09:15:57 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.
DD - Are you saying that Kona has already got an attorney for the family?  Now I don't trust this person anymore.  After all why would anyone rush out and get an attorney unless you may be involved in something.  This is very suspicious action by the person being searched.  I would let in the LE come in without a warrant and tell them look all you want.  Thats what most others said when they were asked in that town.  That is a fact. shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:17:23 PM
or maybe we have really Really been duped and she skipped 6-9.  just throwin that out...you can throw it back if ya want
::ducking nanners:: :smt017 ::MonkeyBath2::
I sure won't throw nanners  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 09:22:31 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

You are very smart sunshine, very smart indeed!
Which would mean that there are people lying big, big, big, big time!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 09:23:13 PM
shortcake-with all due respect, if i was in Kona's position i would get a lawyer too. especially since this is gonna be all over the press when the warrants are unsealed. it would be stupid of her not to.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:26:16 PM
shortcake-with all due respect, if i was in Kona's position i would get a lawyer too. especially since this is gonna be all over the press when the warrants are unsealed. it would be stupid of her not to.
I have to agree.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 09:26:45 PM
i could be wrong but i really think they were looking for her bathing suit at the posters house

You are very smart sunshine, very smart indeed!
Which would mean that there are people lying big, big, big, big time!


i know, unfortunately they could make a lifetime movie out of all of these twists and turns. and lies lies lies, and i dont mean that to be disrespectful at all but its the truth


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 09:33:26 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 09:36:22 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.
DD - Are you saying that Kona has already got an attorney for the family?  Now I don't trust this person anymore.  After all why would anyone rush out and get an attorney unless you may be involved in something.  This is very suspicious action by the person being searched.  I would let in the LE come in without a warrant and tell them look all you want.  Thats what most others said when they were asked in that town.  That is a fact. shortcake

I would have an attorney also.  If someone is trying to say you did something you did not do, it is good to have an attorney. 

they did not say le could not come in.  le just showed up and told them to leave the house.  they proceded to tear it up.  At that point I would have retained an attorney also.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 09:36:24 PM
shortcake-with all due respect, if i was in Kona's position i would get a lawyer too. especially since this is gonna be all over the press when the warrants are unsealed. it would be stupid of her not to.
I have to agree.

It is one thing to search your house or your property.  Sure, nothing to hide, come on in.  But if they take anything, anything, whoa!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 09:39:20 PM
so im gonna guess they didnt find her swimming suit there


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 09:40:03 PM
and tell you to leave your own house?  Are you kidding?  Do they have the legal right to make you leave your own home?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:42:06 PM
Am I to assume that someone planted Lindsey's swimsuit at this lady's house? I just don't know what else to think.  ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:43:57 PM
and tell you to leave your own house?  Are you kidding?  Do they have the legal right to make you leave your own home?
I'm not sure about that, I thought you could stay when they search your home with a warrant?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 27, 2009, 09:44:33 PM
Am I to assume that someone planted Lindsey's swimsuit at this lady's house? I just don't know what else to think.  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i dont think we know yet if the suit was even found at this house.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
so im gonna guess they didnt find her swimming suit there

no they found nothing connected to her at all... unless it is forensics that they have to test from the vaccum etc, things like that.  that is normal

so unless something turns up in forensics, there was NOTHING



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 09:49:41 PM
Am I to assume that someone planted Lindsey's swimsuit at this lady's house? I just don't know what else to think.  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i dont think we know yet if the suit was even found at this house.

well it was not on the receipts are being found
and police also stated in the paper they found nothing unless is turns up in the forensics.  had they found her swimming suit, that would be obvious connnection, and they said there was nothing obvious. 

things on the receipts of what was removed, it is not on there either.  other things listed like vacuum dust etc are listed, so I am sure if they found the swim suit it would be on there too, it is not

safe to say, they didn't find it... and if they had have, someone would be in jail by now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 09:49:57 PM
and tell you to leave your own house?  Are you kidding?  Do they have the legal right to make you leave your own home?
I'm not sure about that, I thought you could stay when they search your home with a warrant?

Maybe if JessStar comes on she can answer that for us.  But NoRose, I thought the same thing.
So the bathingsuit is on the search warrant, which means LE is looking for it, which means the original story is wrong, which means other parts of the story may be wrong, which means somebody is covering their butts (collective or otherwise), which means we have been lied to from day one, which means . . . omg!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 09:51:38 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 27, 2009, 09:53:42 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 27, 2009, 09:54:05 PM
Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 09:54:15 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 
Thanks DD.  So the bathing suit is the big clue.  Very interesting, I will go back and do some research.  Also, first time I have seen removal of a pipe and a little pot required a Hazmet suit.  Times sure are changingI guess.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
Am I to assume that someone planted Lindsey's swimsuit at this lady's house? I just don't know what else to think.  ::MonkeyConfused::

NoRose - i dont think we know yet if the suit was even found at this house.
Thanks, after I posted that I walked away, and realized I didn't state it the way I meant to. I'm assuming perhaps a tip or something to the effect that her suit would be found there, or that Lindsey had been seen on the property. Sure sounds like there are several people out to get this woman and her son  ::MonkeyNoNo:: She must have come very close to finding out what happened to Lindsey, or she and her son was an easy target.  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 27, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to Lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 

WOW about the bathing suit.  So when KK was still on here and taking questions I was one who was trying to get a timeline nailed down and pointed out to KK that there was not enough time at two places in the time line to fit in everything she said happened.  One was the small window of time between leaving the video store and having the argument at the gas station on the way to KK's house.  KK stated that her daughter who was with Lindsey at the time confirmed that they went back to Lindsey's house and Lindsey had a bath/shower , and changed clothes before heading to KK's house. 

This means that:
A) The information from KK's daughter was false
B) The information from KK was false
C) Lindsey did have a shower or bath and put on a different bathing suit under her clothes.
D) Lindsey had a shower or bath and put on the same suit under her clothes ( which seems suspect if she just showered or bathed)

Do we know if Lindsey had more than one bathing suit or it is the same one she had been wearing that day that is missing?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 27, 2009, 09:56:17 PM
Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever.  

this is really bothering me...plus the fact that MB didn't even call him, a relative of hers did.  I would give this guy my left arm if he was helping to find my child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 09:57:17 PM
and tell you to leave your own house?  Are you kidding?  Do they have the legal right to make you leave your own home?
I'm not sure about that, I thought you could stay when they search your home with a warrant?

Maybe if JessStar comes on she can answer that for us.  But NoRose, I thought the same thing.
So the bathingsuit is on the search warrant, which means LE is looking for it, which means the original story is wrong, which means other parts of the story may be wrong, which means somebody is covering their butts (collective or otherwise), which means we have been lied to from day one, which means . . . omg!
I really hate to say this, but I felt all along we were being lied to, and I sure have my suspicions of who has been lying  ::MonkeyNoNo::  ::MonkeyNoNo::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 09:58:25 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: AZSunny on September 27, 2009, 10:00:29 PM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to Lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 

WOW about the bathing suit.  So when KK was still on here and taking questions I was one who was trying to get a timeline nailed down and pointed out to KK that there was not enough time at two places in the time line to fit in everything she said happened.  One was the small window of time between leaving the video store and having the argument at the gas station on the way to KK's house.  KK stated that her daughter who was with Lindsey at the time confirmed that they went back to Lindsey's house and Lindsey had a bath/shower , and changed clothes before heading to KK's house. 

This means that:
A) The information from KK's daughter was false
B) The information from KK was false
C) Lindsey did have a shower or bath and put on a different bathing suit under her clothes.
D) Lindsey had a shower or bath and put on the same suit under her clothes ( which seems suspect if she just showered or bathed)

Do we know if Lindsey had more than one bathing suit or it is the same one she had been wearing that day that is missing?

So the info did come from KK and/or her daughter.  Very interesting.....and now they are searching for the swim suit. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:03:02 PM
Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 
That's the million dollar question for me  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 27, 2009, 10:05:03 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: JessStar on September 27, 2009, 10:05:41 PM
I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: cookie on September 27, 2009, 10:05:56 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

thanks Jess...useful info as always!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 10:06:28 PM
snipped from MM:
i didnt have a problem telling KK things dont seem right, i had no problem telling mb that stories need to quit changing.

In all fairness, MM later stated she meant the above in regard to what time Lindsey left KaraK's house.
I do find this statement very telling however in light of the bathing suit issue.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 10:08:44 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


AND #1001 from same thread...


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 27, 2009, 10:10:40 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Thank you JessStar . . . again.  If LE came to my door looking for a child, I really think I would say come in, she isn't here.  However, if LE came to my door with a search warrant -- right after they kicked me out of my own home I would be headed to the best attorney I could find.  No doubt about that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:19:45 PM
Thank-you JessStar for all that info  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:21:08 PM
any locals hearing about the car on fire out at sand creek pond? 

guess someone took a car out there and set it on fire.  fire trucks were just out there. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 10:21:46 PM
. . . . and isn't it odd that Self, who was home at that same time, saw nothing, not even the kids playing in the street that Bentley saw? ::MonkeyEek::

I wonder if there has to be cause to ask someone to take a LDT in GHC?
That part of the article bothered me also Scandi.
I hate to point at anyone innocent but dang it,this is the first we are hearing that Lindsey disappeared right in front of the Mayor's house.I can't even find a picture of Mayor Bentley and IMO if he has any suspicions surrounding him,I doubt the McCleary LE will investigate him.

I hope you saw my link on the Mayor's pictures.

This is the exact reason I was harping so much about the LE not doing their jobs, and outside LE such as State or Federal investigators should be brought in. Not because of the Mayor, per se, but because it looked to me like they were covering for someone in McCleary.

I spoke of the 5th amendment and last night, and realized my mistake later I meant the 4th amendment.  Sorry.

Thanks Fanny, I just saw his photo on your link.

The 4th amendment dealing with search and seizure specifies that the search has to be signed by a judge and have probable cause.  I guess until we learn something new about this I will have to say I have to trust the integrity of those officers and officials involved in the case.  Isn't the FBI still directing the case?  I know they have a 3 or 4 person squad full time in Montesano working on Lindsey's case {last I read}, and have not heard that the FBI is no longer involved in the case.  I could be wrong and correct me if that is not the case.  xox

hi Scandi... I have always respected your postings and reasoning, have seen you work on many cases over the years.

yes they have to have probable cause.  I do believe you will be surprised when it comes out that the judge has a DIRECT CONFLICT with the family over personal matters.  This will be brought up to the attorney for the family.  It is POSSIBLE someone's personal conflict got in the way of good judgement.  I would really hope not, but this judge should never have been the one to okay the warrants in the first place.  The conflict has to do with personal problems between the two families, NOT ANYTHING "LEGAL" at all.  some old deep wounds there between his family and the family he signed the search warrant for. 

so let's see what becomes of this. 

again Scandi.  Always enjoyed seeing your posts.
Thanks DD and likewise to you.  It is a pleasure to meet you.  Your tenacity in Lindsey's case has always amazed me, your being a true advocate for her that seems to have given this forum a solid base for Sleuthing her case.

If what you say is true then I agree the judge should have removed himself from the case.  It will be interesting to see how it falls, but am wondering if you anticipate either one of two things happening.  That the family will immediately contest the validity of the warrants issued due to a conflict of interest.  Or if you anticipate legal action against one or more of the family members by the State and the family will then have their lawyer contest the SW's in court to have the legal action set aside.  I am sure you know allot more about the law than I do.

One thing I have read about the case from an astrological standpoint is that there is possibly a figure of authority involved in her disappearance.  That is an authority figure as seen by Lindsey.  It is just so ironic that I have just read your post after reading about another authority figure in town {which makes two in one day that sit on the periphery of her case now}.  It makes me wonder if the unsub is a local man of respect in the community who she knew of or he had seen her.  That is not saying either the judge or the mayor, but rather someone of their ILK.

Whatever, I think the main focus now should be locating Lindsey.  And I also hope the FBI is still actively involved here in the normal way they work a case with local authorities.  xox



 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:23:09 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:23:24 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342
Northern Rose, I'm not sure how, but when reading the post, this one statement always bugged me.             When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.   ::MonkeyEek::   I have a hard time believing that her daughter watched her until she couldn't see her anymore, just doesn't sound to me something a ten year old does, imo.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 10:23:32 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


AND #1001 from same thread...

POST #992

NorthernRose timeline:

Thursday 25 June
Kayla spends the night at Lindsey's house

Friday 26 June
Lindsey and Kayla had been swimming all day at a friends house.
Lindsey showers and changes.They head over to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night again.

?Time(I'm thinking Lindsey's Mom stated somewhere what time they left the house to go to Kayla's house)~Lindsey,brother Josh and Kayla head over to Kayla's house to see if Kayla could spend the night again.The bike's chain is broke so Lindsey is walking the bike,gets tired and wants Josh to take the bike home,they argue,a family friend see's them arguing and sends Josh back home with the broken bike.

8:19- friends of Lindsey and kayla rented the movies the girls just happened to be with them at the time on the way to Kayla's.Also on the way to Kayla's the girls change their minds about who will stay where.They decide to ask if Lindsey could stay friday night at Kayla's because Kayla wanted to stay saturday night at Lindsey's house.

At Kayla's (9:10) - Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes
Or at Kayla's at 9:00PM,Lindsey stays about 10-15 minutes leaving at about 9:15PM

Leave Kayla's - She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.
Kayla either watches Lindsey go down Maple street a ways or.....Lindsey went up the hill on 6th street(and not down Maple)like Kara has stated.


So I think we now need Kara to tell us if Lindsey walked down Maple ST. or up the hill on 6th ST.Also.....if Kara knows if the girls went to the video store before Lindsey's shower/clothes change or did the video store trip happen on the way to Kayla's house.

Looking for you guys to comment about my observations here.

Does the timeline work OK this way?




I lost my work computer for Friday they had to copy the hard drive so I am going to try and catch up on questions and comments I am sure I'll miss some though so please repost if I do. (And please do not worry or watch what you say I understand everyone has to be looked into). I am told FBI is going to be done soon so please please please don't stop.

When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple. Either route she took either straight home or up 6th she would have had to walk down Maple street a ways.

 Originally I was told that they picked up Lindsey's scent on the corner of 6th and Maple (near Beehive retirement center) and it went up 6th street (so to me that is a right onto 6th street) I was even told another location nearer to her house where they picked up her scent as well. They are no longer saying this and are now saying the dogs never picked up a scent (that's impossible isn't it????) So I am confused and not sure now what the real story is.

Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with.

My Brother - Has some issues right now he was a service man years ago and served his country and factors that played in that life and in our childhood has really caused him to be confused and lost and he now suffers serious sleep disorders that wreak havoc on his life'. He and my sister had a business years ago that I helped them with before we all went our separate ways. I have not seen my brother in years but I see my sister fairly often when she picks up my kids. If you have questions here feel free to ask I have no qualms.

Lindsey's dad - His name is Greg (I believe) but his friends and lots of family call him by his middle name which is Scott. I've never met him but in the past according to Lindsey he was a good dad and she never had anything bad to say about him except that he left. Everything else she said about him was positive.
 
 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:25:05 PM
Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 

I'll tell you nothing makes sense to me, hasn't made sense to me, and it just gets worse and worse.  HO came several times to search.  He's fed up. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 10:25:52 PM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.
Good point Jess.  Being an attorney, I bet you thought OJ should have retained one of you at the getgo because you never know when someone might plant a glove.  Hmmmmm.  Just a thought, but I do respect your point of view.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
at this point, i really want to know who's framing this family.  i think once we can figure that out it will help crack this case.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:28:18 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342
Northern Rose, I'm not sure how, but when reading the post, this one statement always bugged me.             When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.   ::MonkeyEek::   I have a hard time believing that her daughter watched her until she couldn't see her anymore, just doesn't sound to me something a ten year old does, imo.


well it is only a few houses before the trees are in the way... but if we believe HO report she was on the north side of maple, so I don't know how that would work either.  but if she went down 6th like kara had told me, she would not have crossed the street either.  so its just not working.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 10:29:20 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342


AND #1001 from same thread...



POST #1001
Kara thank you so much for answering and I hope you get your computer soon.  I am sorry to hear about Wesley.  I feel that anyone that serves the country should get more support after they are back that just is not there for them.

The timeline I did, then I was correct th tat they were at the video store at 8:19 , then went to Lindsey's, Lindsey then has a bath, then head to your house?

The time between the video store and your house is 1 hour 4 minutes.  As stated before, that seems very short to fit in a bath, re-dress, primp, bike push, fight, intervention, and walk to your door. 

Do we know anything more about the principle/superintendent of the school.  I dug up some interesting allegations about him .

Also does Lindsey's mom rent the house from someone named Eric from Elma? Has he been checked out throughly?

I wish your 4th of July was not spent with these questions and am sending strength to you and your family until Lindsey comes home safe.


KARA  REPLIED:

I never actually met the principle and honestly until you guys brought it up had not heard of any allegations. I will be bring those up to the authorities though I know they won't actually tell me anything.

I believe that is Melissa's landlord though I am sure he has not been checked out yet. I will ask about that as well.

From what I can tell your time line is pretty right on though there are slight time inconsistencies between my recollection and others so there may be a few minutes difference in everything except for the video store. I believe the girls may have played or talked out in front of Lindsey's for a while before she went in to bathe and change which would take up some of the time but my daughter did not mention anything in between that time so I will be re-asking. I honestly had not even thought about that time gap so it seems important.
My 4th was spent at home praying and thinking I could not imagine doing anything else right now . I did send my family to be with family and they are having fun as they should but now knowing that this will shortly be left in the hands of the Sheriff's dept and McCleary PD I was hoping to remember anything new before we started losing resources. I thought all night and realized that I don't think we ever really dug into who the girls knew or would say hi to etc or even people Josh knew that are regulars around here. They are going to re-question all the kids involved and see if they can identify the people that would be a normal or friendly face to them. Hopefully this can shed a little light on who would have the opportunity to seem trustworthy to Lindsey. 
 
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Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:29:22 PM
anyone have a link  for kiro news... is saying the dogs never found scent at kona's for lindsey


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:30:46 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
Her mom, her brother, her friend, her friend's mom, otherwise I don't know  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:33:01 PM
at this point, i really want to know who's framing this family.  i think once we can figure that out it will help crack this case.
I want to know that also, and why they are framing this family.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Leroy on September 27, 2009, 10:35:01 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
Her mom, her brother, her friend, her friend's mom, otherwise I don't know  ::MonkeyEek::

and she had on jeans and a hooded sweatshirt.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:35:14 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342
Northern Rose, I'm not sure how, but when reading the post, this one statement always bugged me.             When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.   ::MonkeyEek::   I have a hard time believing that her daughter watched her until she couldn't see her anymore, just doesn't sound to me something a ten year old does, imo.


well it is only a few houses before the trees are in the way... but if we believe HO report she was on the north side of maple, so I don't know how that would work either.  but if she went down 6th like kara had told me, she would not have crossed the street either.  so its just not working.
No, it is not working at all. I always wondered if she left Kara's house, I know there was two witnesses, but witnesses can get days and times mixed up.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 27, 2009, 10:38:56 PM
anyone have a link  for kiro news... is saying the dogs never found scent at kona's for lindsey

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: darla on September 27, 2009, 10:40:49 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sunshine12 on September 27, 2009, 10:41:46 PM
maybe she really did leave kara's house, and then stopped at that house she was swimming at and asked to sleep over. maybe she didnt leave that house, or maybe she did leave that house with some friends and went out to some place in the woods


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 10:44:30 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
Her mom, her brother, her friend, her friend's mom, otherwise I don't know  ::MonkeyEek::

and she had on jeans and a hooded sweatshirt.



Quote from: doubledecker on July 11, 2009, 06:08:33 PM
doesn't lindsey's poster/flyer say she was wearing a blue hoodie?  I guess that might be considered a sweatshirt? 


KARA'S RESPONSE:
Yeah some of the flyers that were put and printed up by others as well as some news stations have her shirt as a sweatshirt instead of a long sleeve blue shirt with hood. Not necessarily a crucial difference but I for one when looking at what someone is wearing make note of garment by material so to me the term sweatshirt seems heavy and possibly bulky which hers was not so it is just something that I wanted to point out more so for anyone who may see her or should someone find something.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 10:51:27 PM
maybe she really did leave kara's house, and then stopped at that house she was swimming at and asked to sleep over. maybe she didnt leave that house, or maybe she did leave that house with some friends and went out to some place in the woods


Guess where one of the places was that Don from the Don & Ron radio show took a picture of when he was there for the search?!!!?  Isn't this the pool were Lindsay was swimming the day she went missing?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=185&sid=207012&pid=7


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:53:43 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA
I know Janet had that answer, it stays light there longer then it does where I live in So Cal in June, and I was surprised it was still light out. Wasn't she told to start going home by Kara's boyfriend before it got dark, and wasn't that about 9:15 or so?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 10:55:24 PM
maybe she really did leave kara's house, and then stopped at that house she was swimming at and asked to sleep over. maybe she didnt leave that house, or maybe she did leave that house with some friends and went out to some place in the woods


Guess where one of the places was that Don from the Don & Ron radio show took a picture of when he was there for the search?!!!?  Isn't this the pool were Lindsay was swimming the day she went missing?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=185&sid=207012&pid=7
I'm not sure, because the pic I remember seeing I couldn't believe how dirty and cluttered the yard was  ::MonkeyEek::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: darla on September 27, 2009, 10:56:28 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA
I know Janet had that answer, it stays light there longer then it does where I live in So Cal in June, and I was surprised it was still light out. Wasn't she told to start going home by Kara's boyfriend before it got dark, and wasn't that about 9:15 or so?

Thanks NRCG...I live in the south on the east coast, so figured it stayed light later there than it does here. We are usually full dark by 9:15 to 9:30


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Northern Rose on September 27, 2009, 10:56:37 PM
maybe she really did leave kara's house, and then stopped at that house she was swimming at and asked to sleep over. maybe she didnt leave that house, or maybe she did leave that house with some friends and went out to some place in the woods


Guess where one of the places was that Don from the Don & Ron radio show took a picture of when he was there for the search?!!!?  Isn't this the pool were Lindsay was swimming the day she went missing?

http://www.mynorthwest.com/?nid=185&sid=207012&pid=7

I have not found many pool when I look at McCleary on Google maps. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 10:58:52 PM
I do not know how to bring a post from one thread to another.  Could someone please bring post 992 over .  TYVM

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342#msg864342
Northern Rose, I'm not sure how, but when reading the post, this one statement always bugged me.             When Lindsey left my house she headed down maple street - my daughter watched her until the neighbors trees got in the way that would have been before she hit the corner of 7th and Maple.   ::MonkeyEek::   I have a hard time believing that her daughter watched her until she couldn't see her anymore, just doesn't sound to me something a ten year old does, imo.

I totally agree Rose and have always thought it so odd for the exact same reason you do.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 27, 2009, 10:59:15 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
Her mom, her brother, her friend, her friend's mom, otherwise I don't know  ::MonkeyEek::

so if they are the only one who knew she had it, then who else could have told them it might be at kona's ? 

did le know from the beginning she had it on...? 

this is just all mindboggling. 

let me look at something
if they were looking for other of her clothes


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:04:34 PM
so i guess my question is, who would lead police to this tip that her swimming suit might be found there?

that's my question...i wish we knew.

who would even know about the swimming suit.  it was suppose to be home.  so who would know she had it on or with her?
Her mom, her brother, her friend, her friend's mom, otherwise I don't know  ::MonkeyEek::

so if they are the only one who knew she had it, then who else could have told them it might be at kona's ? 

did le know from the beginning she had it on...? 

this is just all mindboggling. 

let me look at something
if they were looking for other of her clothes

Maybe some of the other friends she was with that day, besides the others I named who in the world else would know?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:09:51 PM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 11:17:33 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA

I found this on Google from InSessions, posted June 28th:

"According to The Seattle, Washington Sunrise/Sunset chart the sun should set at 9:11 PM on June 26 so it would still be light out when Lindsey started home".





Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:18:22 PM
Thanks Darla  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: darla on September 27, 2009, 11:19:27 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA

I found this on Google from InSessions, posted June 28th:

"According to The Seattle, Washington Sunrise/Sunset chart the sun should set at 9:11 PM on June 26 so it would still be light out when Lindsey started home".





Thank you!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 11:25:42 PM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

That could be except Kara said the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could spend the night at Kara's while en route to her house.  That would mean when Lindsey left her house she was planning to go back there, thus no need to pack a bag.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 11:25:51 PM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?


 Quote from: Tracygirl on July 03, 2009, 11:15:04 AM
Maybe things are just not being explained too well, I don't know. It seems there are conflicting stories about Lindsey getting to Kayla's house, Lindsey leaving Kayla's house. (snip)

Thank you for answering what you can.



KARA:

From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night. Kayla also said that she wanted mainly to be able to stay the next night (Saturday) which is why she (Lindsey)  did not push me to try and get me to let her stay.

They were at Lindsey's house right before heading to my house. Lindsey bathed and changed clothes because they had been swimming all day at a friends house.

The bike did not have a chain (it belonged to her brother) and she was pushing herself around on it (from her house to the Shell station). After some time (when they reached the back of the Shell station) it became bothersome to Lindsey and she wanted her brother to take the bike home he didn't want to and wanted her to take it home. That started the argument.

I did tell her no to staying the night as did my old man. I told her no because I was trying to write that night and we were suppose to go out the following morning to look for seashells (I wanted to try making seashell candles). When the girls are together they don't like to sleep and are very loud. - Scott (my old man) had said no because he works nights typically (not that night though) and has very little time home. And the time he usually is home our house is typically full with my kids (4) and their friends so he was hoping for some peace and quiet.

Lindsey stayed for maybe 5 minutes but I don't even think it was a full 5 minutes before heading back home.

She left before 9:30 probably closer to 9:15.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:28:28 PM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

That could be except Kara said the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could spend the night at Kara's while en route to her house.  That would mean when Lindsey left her house she was planning to go back there, thus no need to pack a bag.
Thank-you


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: no rose colored glasses on September 27, 2009, 11:30:09 PM
Thanks Madre  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 11:35:20 PM
Thanks Madre  ::MonkeyCool::

Your welcome, No Rose.  This is driving me crazy! ::MonkeyConfused::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
God Evening Monkeys and Guest.

I just started reading  on this thread last night, so have some catching up to do..May I ask what time it gets dark in McCleeary that time of year? TIA

I found this on Google from InSessions, posted June 28th:

"According to The Seattle, Washington Sunrise/Sunset chart the sun should set at 9:11 PM on June 26 so it would still be light out when Lindsey started home".





Thank you!


Denada Dah'ling ;}

Another thing I find odd is in Kara's reply to post #1001 on this thread, my bold:

"From what I can tell your time line is pretty right on though there are slight time inconsistencies between my recollection and others so there may be a few minutes difference in everything except for the video store. I believe the girls may have played or talked out in front of Lindsey's for a while before she went in to bathe  and change which would take up some of the time but my daughter did not mention anything in between that time so I will be re-asking. I honestly had not even thought about that time gap so it seems important". 

It is just odd that Kara says 'she' went in to bathe and change.  It almost sounds like Kayla didn't go in but rather waited for Lindsey outside.  It also could just be her choice of words too.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 27, 2009, 11:39:55 PM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

That could be except Kara said the girls decided to ask if Lindsey could spend the night at Kara's while en route to her house.  That would mean when Lindsey left her house she was planning to go back there, thus no need to pack a bag.
Thank-you

You're welcome Rose. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 27, 2009, 11:46:36 PM
I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.
Excellent point Jess.  When I was young it was the norm to rinse off after swimming and wear clothes over my suit.  Especially after swimming in salt water.  There were showers set up for just that purpose.  I can believe Lindsey was wearing a bathing suit under her clothes and this was one clue held back by the LE.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 11:53:34 PM
I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.
Excellent point Jess.  When I was young it was the norm to rinse off after swimming and wear clothes over my suit.  Especially after swimming in salt water.  There were showers set up for just that purpose.  I can believe Lindsey was wearing a bathing suit under her clothes and this was one clue held back by the LE.  shortcake


Did you mean you would put jeans and a long sleeve hoodie over a wet bathing suit?   LOL, gross!  I've never done that and have only seen friends do that with a bathing suit cover-up.  But, maybe I'm weird about stuff like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 27, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.
Excellent point Jess.  When I was young it was the norm to rinse off after swimming and wear clothes over my suit.  Especially after swimming in salt water.  There were showers set up for just that purpose.  I can believe Lindsey was wearing a bathing suit under her clothes and this was one clue held back by the LE.  shortcake

Sorry I got in your quote Shortcake!

Did you mean you would put jeans and a long sleeve hoodie over a wet bathing suit?   LOL, gross!  I've never done that and have only seen friends do that with a bathing suit cover-up.  But, maybe I'm weird about stuff like that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:00:33 AM
DD - thank you for writing out the explanation and sharing the link to it, with us.  I have a better understanding now of what's going on.  And some questions.  Sorry this is gonna get long. 

First of all, my heart goes out to Kona, her son, her family.  What a nightmare this must be for her! 

Seems to me that we are back at square one.  Begin back at the beginning.  What KK and others, said or didn't say, doesn't really matter yet until we can firm down what did or didn't happen AT HOME before Lindsey left to walk over to KK's home. 

IMO, there are questions that need to be asked of Lindsey's mom, by LE and others close to her, if they haven't already been asked.  It's not like WE have to know the answers, tho it would be helpful in figuring things out.  IMO, info needs to come FROM Lindsey's mom herself, to LE and others close to her, and whatever shared with the public that is possible.  This puts a screeeeeeeeeching halt to the 'he said, she said' crap, guesses and outright lies from some, that has made everyone so confused.   

So let's start with Lindsey's mom.  Just from what we've heard from DD, Lindsey's mom wasn't happy that Mr. Oakes was called in to help search, and basically ignored his presence.  Do I have that right?  If so, WTH??  Why would any mother of a missing child refuse/ignore the help of someone trying to find her child?  I'd really like to understand Lindsey's mom's reasons for this. 

Has she given her own timeline of that entire day, starting from morning til night, when she saw Lindsey, where she believes that Lindsey went when she left, when she came home, what she did at home, etc.??  It would be helpful if we could know that, from her mom.   

From what I have understood, Lindsey's mom spoke to her before she left that night to go over to KK's.  Right?  Has she said if Lindsey took a shower, or not, before she left?  She'd be the one to know, IMO.  KKs daughter would know too, I would think, since she supposedly was there at the time.   

As other monkeys, my thoughts go to the bathing suit, as being something LE was searching for the other day.  Which implies that it is missing from Lindsey's home.  Is it actually missing? 

If so, has it been missing this whole time and that fact not made public until now?  If it has been missing this whole time, was Lindsey's mom upfront with LE about that from the start, later, or when?   

If the bathing suit has not been missing this whole time, but is missing now, when did it disappear?  Could 'someone' have taken it from Lindsey's home, with the idea of planting it somewhere, for their own dark reasons?  If someone has had access to Lindsey's things, has her mom given a list of these folks to LE?  Did Lindsey's mom ever actually SEE the bathing suit herself, either that aft/eve when Lindsey supposed showered, or later on after she realized Lindsey was missing.  Did her mom check thru her things to know what was at home, what was gone? 

Ok will stop there, for now.  IMO, one of the best ways to put a puzzle together is to put the frame together first.  We haven't been doing that, in this case, we've taken a piece here and a piece there, and tried fitting them together.  Suddenly we realize that the pieces we have may not even fit together at all.  Because of all the lies and treachery that seems to be huge in this case. 

Let's go back and find the pieces to the frame, and sort things out again.  IMO, we need to begin with Lindsey's mom, and she IMO, needs to be honest and upfront with all that she knows.  And again, she doesn't have to come in here and give us all the answers just cuz we ask the questions.  But IMO, she needs to begin talking HERSELF, (rather than letting others speak for her) if she hasn't already done so, and give the story play-by-play to LE and those close to her, as it actually happened.  Otherwise, everyone (us included) will still be chasing their tails, and as a result, Lindsey may never be found.  Or is this what her mom and others want?   Cuz that's sure what it looks like to me. 


::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::


All in my opinion.  Sorry it's so long. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:02:01 AM
Why did Lindsey, Josh and Kayla walk over to kayla's house? Someone posted a KK's post and it said they decided to see if Lindsey could spend the night over Kayla's during the walk...was it because they were going to first ask if Kayla could spend the night at Lindseys? If so, then why didn't they go with that when they were turned down? Is this posted somewhere?


So glad I didn't come on today and find out they found a body...I was worry about that all weekend. I do not want to give up hope they could still find a live lindsey.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 12:02:54 AM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 
Hi DD.  I respect your knowledge and information.  I have two questions.  1. Who do you have to get permission from to answer questions about the search?  2.  You said you have a copy of the warrant, does it go into specifics about the bathing suit(like color,design,size,etc.).  That information could be very important, then again I may be on a wild goose chase.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: shortcake on September 28, 2009, 12:14:13 AM
I don't think the fact that the swimsuit was on the search warrant is inconsistent with what WE know. What we know is that Lindsey took a shower and changed clothes. What we don't know is what that means. Does it mean she took off her suit, washed her hair, washed herself, blah blah blah?  Or does it mean she rinsed the chlorine water off of her?  When I shower after swimming, I stand under the shower for a few minutes to rinse off. If this child was in a hurry, I can certainly envision her rinsing herself off, bathing suit and all, and then getting dressed with her suit on under her clothes. She is only 10 at the time. 10 year olds do illogical things when they are in a hurry.
Excellent point Jess.  When I was young it was the norm to rinse off after swimming and wear clothes over my suit.  Especially after swimming in salt water.  There were showers set up for just that purpose.  I can believe Lindsey was wearing a bathing suit under her clothes and this was one clue held back by the LE.  shortcake

Sorry I got in your quote Shortcake!

Did you mean you would put jeans and a long sleeve hoodie over a wet bathing suit?   LOL, gross!  I've never done that and have only seen friends do that with a bathing suit cover-up.  But, maybe I'm weird about stuff like that.
I think I understand your reasoning, but me also think you may be a city person?  It may be gross at 20, but norm at 10(if you know what mean).  Heck some kids run around in bare feet.  I wouldn't do it now, but at 10 I did.  I do agree with you.  shortcake


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:15:36 AM
wyks, that is what I was thinking, was it taken from the house after the fact....we don't know.

I have no words about the whole Kona thing...If this is all true it is sick and twisted.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 12:28:39 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:32:17 AM
wyks, that is what I was thinking, was it taken from the house after the fact....we don't know.

I have no words about the whole Kona thing...If this is all true it is sick and twisted.
[/quote

Hi TG!!   :2waver:  Good to see ya! 

And yep, 'sick and twisted' is right.  I believe DD, have no reason not to.  But the others???  Have seen some of them in action elsewhere, (another forum), and didn't like what I saw.  Tantrums, pettiness, you name it, plenty of folks have seen it.  Except for DD, I dunno who we can trust in this case, anymore.  Which is why I'm starting again at the beginning, and looking for words from Lindsey's mom HERSELF, not the others who 'tried to help' explain things.  With the exception of DD, of course.  And those she knows to be trustworthy. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:33:18 AM
wyks, that is what I was thinking, was it taken from the house after the fact....we don't know.

I have no words about the whole Kona thing...If this is all true it is sick and twisted.


<sorry I got in your box!>


Hi TG!!   :2waver:  Good to see ya! 

And yep, 'sick and twisted' is right.  I believe DD, have no reason not to.  But the others???  Have seen some of them in action elsewhere, (another forum), and didn't like what I saw.  Tantrums, pettiness, you name it, plenty of folks have seen it.  Except for DD, I dunno who we can trust in this case, anymore.  Which is why I'm starting again at the beginning, and looking for words from Lindsey's mom HERSELF, not the others who 'tried to help' explain things.  With the exception of DD, of course.  And those she knows to be trustworthy. 



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 12:34:05 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now


OMG, Madibabe  I'm upset with you.  Do you know when your son said this occurred?  Tonight, today??


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:34:49 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

 ::MonkeyEek::   ::MonkeyShocked::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:37:44 AM
wyks, that is what I was thinking, was it taken from the house after the fact....we don't know.

I have no words about the whole Kona thing...If this is all true it is sick and twisted.
[/quote

Hi TG!!   :2waver:  Good to see ya! 

And yep, 'sick and twisted' is right.  I believe DD, have no reason not to.  But the others???  Have seen some of them in action elsewhere, (another forum), and didn't like what I saw.  Tantrums, pettiness, you name it, plenty of folks have seen it.  Except for DD, I dunno who we can trust in this case, anymore.  Which is why I'm starting again at the beginning, and looking for words from Lindsey's mom HERSELF, not the others who 'tried to help' explain things.  With the exception of DD, of course.  And those she knows to be trustworthy. 


I have decided to take my own personal opinions out of this situation and believe nothing...lol.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 12:37:49 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

Do they know a name (or just initials)?!?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 12:39:46 AM
we know the name u want me to say it? initials are dg


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:39:55 AM
Interesting Madibabe...Thanks for the posting.

Wykes I got in your box too!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 12:41:49 AM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

If a bathing suit was listed in the search warrant ... I believe the maybe Lindsey quickly put clothes over her bathing suit prior to the walk to the Kampen/William's residence.  The original plan was that Kayla would spend the night at the Baum residence.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 12:43:47 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

Do they know a name (or just initials)?!?
dg  are the initials  he has never been brought up all thow somoen did say we should look at employees of the behive retirment center  early on. It was his house they were at searching near mox chehalis rd and forman


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 12:45:39 AM
we know the name u want me to say it? initials are dg

Thank you Madibabe, remember if it is true, we're closer to finding Lindsey.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:49:50 AM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

If a bathing suit was listed in the search warrant ... I believe the maybe Lindsey quickly put clothes over her bathing suit prior to the walk to the Kampen/William's residence.  The original plan was that Kayla would spend the night at the Baum residence.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911

Tamikosmom do you know why the girls walked over to Kara's house? Was it to ask if Kayla could spend the night? Was it ever said and if so why didn't the girls just call Kara to ask?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:55:22 AM
Madibabe, is this info what the locals are hearing/saying?  Kind of wondering if it's just more rumor from the problem situation that's been going on with one of our posters?  Or do you think this is different from that situation? 




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 12:58:04 AM
wykes i am wondering if this isn't more finger pointing at a particular person...why such a huge effort to point fingers at a person who was actively searching? hmmmm I wonder what she was working on when this came about, just makes one wonder.

Not saying you Madibabe or your son...just commenting on certain things from some certain locals in your town.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 12:59:15 AM
wyks, that is what I was thinking, was it taken from the house after the fact....we don't know.

I have no words about the whole Kona thing...If this is all true it is sick and twisted.

Hi TG!!   :2waver:  Good to see ya! 

And yep, 'sick and twisted' is right.  I believe DD, have no reason not to.  But the others???  Have seen some of them in action elsewhere, (another forum), and didn't like what I saw.  Tantrums, pettiness, you name it, plenty of folks have seen it.  Except for DD, I dunno who we can trust in this case, anymore.  Which is why I'm starting again at the beginning, and looking for words from Lindsey's mom HERSELF, not the others who 'tried to help' explain things.  With the exception of DD, of course.  And those she knows to be trustworthy. 


I have decided to take my own personal opinions out of this situation and believe nothing...lol.



That may be the smartest thing to do, TG!  I may have to try that too!   ::MonkeyKiss::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 01:03:33 AM
wykes i am wondering if this isn't more finger pointing at a particular person...why such a huge effort to point fingers at a person who was actively searching? hmmmm I wonder what she was working on when this came about, just makes one wonder.

Not saying you Madibabe or your son...just commenting on certain things from some certain locals in your town.

Ummm yeah, am wondering the same.  Rumor can spread like wildfire thru towns, and maybe this is more of the same situation.   Innocent folks like Madibabe, her son, his friends, wouldn't necessarily know that it's part of a sick and twisted thing, if it is.   

When I first read what her son told her, I was like OMG.  However... seeing the initials, the other location.. hmmm.. This could be 'fallout' rumors thruout town, of something that isn't true. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:06:53 AM
Just wanted to clarify my comment...I believe DD it was everything everyone is saying from that town.

MB is not saying much which is reasonable I suppose. Maybe LE has told her not to, who knows. I don't understand certain things but then again I don't have all of the information either.

MB could have been told that Harry Oaks is nothing but a joke and how would she know. Maybe she didn't want him around because he would uncover something she wanted hidden, who knows. I think there are so many lies and mistruths from EVERYONE we may never find the truth unless Lindsey herself tell us which I pray for everyday.



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:07:23 AM
Hi DD!!  Please explain how you know they found nothing in the search?  Are you working with the local LE?  From what I seen on TV, men dressed in HazMet suits had something in their hands and headed for a large truck.  As I posted early on, I believe it was chemicals(possibly for drugs).  Maybe you know if the results of the LE search was negative??  How??  I hope not from someone who's place was being searched.  I would like to know if someone knows if Lindsey was last seen wearing her bathing suit.  If so, a lot makes sense and I will focus my search in another direction.  I phoned a tip in early on and still believe this person may be involved somehow.  LE makes no mention of this individual, yet it is this person was targeted early on.  shortcake

I said they found nothing that would be obvious there was anything there to do with LB.  They of course do take things that they send to the lab to see if there is anything forensic that might connect to lindsey baum.  This is normal procedure.  They did take things from the house, but nothing that can be said to connect to this case.

they had a warrant to search for all the normal things they always search for.  However there was one thing that seemed strange to search for and that was her swimming suit.  So we now know LB must have either been wearing her swimming suit or she had it with her somewhere.   It is obvious she did not leave it at home now, or they would not have that listed on the sw. 

I do have the search warrant and the receipts for items taken. 

I am answering what I have permission to answer.

It seems to me they were searching for anything that might let them know if linsey had either been in the house at any time or anything to link someone there to lindsey.  Nothing out of the ordinary except for the swimming suit.  I'll see what else I can post.


the only drugs was a tiny bit of pot and a pipe.  big deal. 
 
Hi DD.  I respect your knowledge and information.  I have two questions.  1. Who do you have to get permission from to answer questions about the search?  2.  You said you have a copy of the warrant, does it go into specifics about the bathing suit(like color,design,size,etc.).  That information could be very important, then again I may be on a wild goose chase.  Thanks in advance.  shortcake   

flower print bathing suit top and bottom


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 01:09:58 AM
TG, my monkey wants to be sitting next to your monkey on that beach.  Will share bananas!   ::MonkeyWink::



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:12:43 AM
my monkey was on that beach this past weekend, or at least one closer to me, lol. It was wonderful! But I am willing to go back! Lets go Wyks!
She is going to get cold soon, need to get her redressed!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 01:14:59 AM
wykes i am wondering if this isn't more finger pointing at a particular person...why such a huge effort to point fingers at a person who was actively searching? hmmmm I wonder what she was working on when this came about, just makes one wonder.

Not saying you Madibabe or your son...just commenting on certain things from some certain locals in your town.
No Problem . I have learned not to take anything personal on the board. If it brings lindsey home I dont mine being tore apart to tell you the truth. I have heard many things around town in the past but this has made me sick to my stomach. They said pieces of Lindseys clothing were found in a horse trailer and there were hairs gathered from the same place. The home they searched did belong to the golder family and they have some boys 19 and 23  that I know of . one of witch has been caught with child porn. He has a white car like the one that was mentioned that scared and was seen following girls. One works at the beehive and the search warrent was served on there home. I went to town tonight to get the mail and in walking past the bar there were a group of men very angry. Saying how if they could find the golder boy he wouldn't come out of the woods. The others calming him down. I really feel these two towns are a bit in a uproar at the moment. The pieces seem to fit. the place he worked, the car, the character, the car, the location, he had the opportunity. now the police search.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 01:16:04 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

Do they know a name (or just initials)?!?
dg  are the initials  he has never been brought up all thow somoen did say we should look at employees of the behive retirment center  early on. It was his house they were at searching near mox chehalis rd and forman

Thank You.. Good info. Now it is wait and see what LE does with him.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
Where did the original information come from that she went home, took a bath and changed from her bathing suit to clothes.  Wasn't that from KK or her daughter?  Was that rumor, or official? MB? 

I remember early on that SM members were questioning the time involved in doing that task and how long it would take. 


AND.....I really want to know why MB would not welcome a dog search with open arms, and welcome any help she could get from any one.  Why would she not even speak to HO???  this makes no sense to me whatsoever. 

Hi AZSunny

It was Kara K who posted that Lindsey went home following the swim and video store to bathe and change.

However ... Melissa Baum does state that the last time she saw her daughter was when Lindsey and Josh left on the journey to to the Kampen/Williams.  The implication is that Lindsey did return home following the swim and video store.  However ... I do not believe the timeframe would have allowed her the opportunity to bathe and change.  It could be that clothes were quickly thrown over the bathing suit.

According to Kara K ... Lindsey's "family" hired Harry Oaks.  This implication is that Melissa Baum did not do the hiring.  This appears to concur with what DD shared.  You are correct  AZSunny.  Melissa's reaction to the private search does not make sense.

Janet

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TIMELINE

8:15 PM – OBSERVED AT VIDEO STORE

0:00 PM – ARRIVES AT THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - LEAVES THE BAUM RESIDENCE
0:00 PM - THE ARGUMENT - THE BIKE - THE SHELL STATION
0:00 PM - THE INTERVENTION - JOSH IS SENT HOME
9:00 PM - ARRIVES AT THE KAMPEN/WILLIAM’S RESIDENCE
9:15 PM – LEAVES THE KAMPEN/WILLIAMS’S RESIDENCE
9:30 PM - CONFIRMED SIGHTING – 5TH AND MAPLE


ABC News - June 30, 2009

Baum said she last saw her daughter when Lindsey, along with her 12-year-old brother, Josh, headed out to Lindsey's friend's house  in hopes she could get permission to spend the night at the Baum's house.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7966924&page=1


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #992 on: July 04, 2009, 09:13:38 PM »


Video store - Took place at 8:19 according to the video store records - so it happened before she went home to change. The video store is less than 1/2  block from where the girls were swimming and they went to the video store with the friends who they were swimming with

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864342;topicseen#msg864342


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1001 on: July 04, 2009, 09:51:50 PM »


I believe the girls may have played or talked out in front of Lindsey's for a while before she went in to bathe and change  which would take up some of the time

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864364;topicseen#msg864364


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #1012 on: July 04, 2009, 10:27:20 PM »


I do want to let you know I just had a visitor that Lindsey's family hired - an independent tracker renowned for helping where others have failed http://www.k9sardog.com/harryoakes.html and he says he picked up a scent nearly the same as I was told before. He cut his usual fee and is currently trying to track using his trained dogs. Pray he finds something that the others have missed!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg864394;topicseen#msg864394


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 01:18:20 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

Do they know a name (or just initials)?!?
dg  are the initials  he has never been brought up all thow somoen did say we should look at employees of the behive retirment center  early on. It was his house they were at searching near mox chehalis rd and forman

How serious of a rumor is this?  How serious are you taking it?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 01:19:10 AM
http://www.acaringplace.net/brc.html

Come visit BeeHive Retirment center..  ::MonkeyWink::

 http://www.acaringplace.net/brc.html




Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:21:56 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 01:22:19 AM
The BeeHive:Address:

401 W. Maple St.
McCleary, WA 98557


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:22:52 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

OMG Madibabe, Thanks for sharing that even if it is a RUMOR because it took guts to even type the words.  I so hope it is not true. 

If I might ask without breaking Klaas' wishes, would this person that might be the one who took her be about 23 yrs old?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 01:23:57 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


DD?  Is this more distraction?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:24:37 AM
Whoops, what I meant to say above is if he has a brother about 16?   Sorry, but no edit here ::MonkeyRoll::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:25:55 AM
wykes i am wondering if this isn't more finger pointing at a particular person...why such a huge effort to point fingers at a person who was actively searching? hmmmm I wonder what she was working on when this came about, just makes one wonder.

Not saying you Madibabe or your son...just commenting on certain things from some certain locals in your town.
No Problem . I have learned not to take anything personal on the board. If it brings lindsey home I dont mine being tore apart to tell you the truth. I have heard many things around town in the past but this has made me sick to my stomach. They said pieces of Lindseys clothing were found in a horse trailer and there were hairs gathered from the same place. The home they searched did belong to the golder family and they have some boys 19 and 23  that I know of . one of witch has been caught with child porn. He has a white car like the one that was mentioned that scared and was seen following girls. One works at the beehive and the search warrent was served on there home. I went to town tonight to get the mail and in walking past the bar there were a group of men very angry. Saying how if they could find the golder boy he wouldn't come out of the woods. The others calming him down. I really feel these two towns are a bit in a uproar at the moment. The pieces seem to fit. the place he worked, the car, the character, the car, the location, he had the opportunity. now the police search.

Who knows at this point if this person is responsible or not. I suggest the town wait for an arrest before becoming a lynch mob. One thing is for certain, the person(s) responsible needs to be the one arrested and not the person who maybe set up to take a fall. Lindsey deserves to have the right kind of justice. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:26:16 AM
wykes i am wondering if this isn't more finger pointing at a particular person...why such a huge effort to point fingers at a person who was actively searching? hmmmm I wonder what she was working on when this came about, just makes one wonder.

Not saying you Madibabe or your son...just commenting on certain things from some certain locals in your town.
No Problem . I have learned not to take anything personal on the board. If it brings lindsey home I dont mine being tore apart to tell you the truth. I have heard many things around town in the past but this has made me sick to my stomach. They said pieces of Lindseys clothing were found in a horse trailer and there were hairs gathered from the same place. The home they searched did belong to the golder family and they have some boys 19 and 23  that I know of . one of witch has been caught with child porn. He has a white car like the one that was mentioned that scared and was seen following girls. One works at the beehive and the search warrent was served on there home. I went to town tonight to get the mail and in walking past the bar there were a group of men very angry. Saying how if they could find the golder boy he wouldn't come out of the woods. The others calming him down. I really feel these two towns are a bit in a uproar at the moment. The pieces seem to fit. the place he worked, the car, the character, the car, the location, he had the opportunity. now the police search.

if they found her clothes there he would be in jail
I have the receipts for everything taken from that property
its not listed. 

half of those white car stories are bs. 

now about the angry men....guess there are dangerous people around there after all. 

madibabe, I am sitting her with the search warrant and the reciepts of exactly what was taken from that property.  people need to stop the dang rumors before someone goes over there and kills someone over bs.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:27:23 AM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.


JessStar

A missing 10 year old little girl would dictate that morally I would have no other choice to cooperate fully in the process of elimiantion.  I do believe that this would also apply to "most" people I know.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 01:27:31 AM
well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 01:27:32 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


possibly this is good news.  If clothing was found and DD you know for a fact that no such items were removed from the home/property searched that everyone is talking about -- that could mean when they executed other search warrants this weekend they could have found something?  Wonder where else they searched as they did say they had several to execute over the weekend?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 01:27:38 AM
Does Lindsey walk past this place ?
 If So, it is a 24 hour a day operation..

 
Just sayin  ::MonkeyBike:: I really know nothing.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:28:43 AM
http://www.acaringplace.net/brc.html

Come visit BeeHive Retirment center..  ::MonkeyWink::

 http://www.acaringplace.net/brc.html




Just had to stop and say Hi Edward.  I would say you made it here like magic appear, just at a very intense point in the case.  Really!  Good to see you.  I know I get a bit excitable but I so want Lindsey found as soon as possible.  xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:31:07 AM
sister you raise a good point. Maybe something was found at another site that was searched? Hadn't thought of that.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:33:42 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


DD?  Is this more distraction?

this rumor is bs
I am going to upload the reciepts of what they took from the property
then there will be no question and no more crap.  I have asked to do this.  it is better to do it now, than have all this crap posted and in everyone's head and reposted over and over and becomes "truth" out here on the board.

so let me upload the receipts and everyone will know exactly what was found. 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 01:35:09 AM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naive enough to open their doors to unbridled searches by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.


JessStar

A missing 10 year old little girl would dictate that morally I would have no other choice to cooperate fully in the process of elimiantion.  I do believe that this would also apply to "most" people I know.

Janet

thank you for that... but, yes i would be naive enough to open my door and let them do wanted  if it got them on to the next search faster to save a child.  thats just me tho. i understand where u r comming from for sure.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Madre on September 28, 2009, 01:35:58 AM
Madibabe, are they saying the clothing was found at the empty apts. at the Beehive?  Thank you for answering!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Edward on September 28, 2009, 01:37:53 AM
Great to see you Scandi   ::MonkeyDance::
We all want to see her found and so many others.. They are all very sad.
 So many of you have been on this case and I have been reading along..  But Yes, I would like to see this case get solved.
 I think parents will sleep better across McCleary and most of the Nation..


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:38:11 AM
well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?

i have also read your kids' myspace and their other documents, does that make them anything other than kids?  think about it, you want people to say your kids do these things because crap they have on myspace.  yes his myspace is a bit whatever, but so our most of these kids.  I saw yours kids', so that does not make any of them anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:39:05 AM
anyone have a link  for kiro news... is saying the dogs never found scent at kona's for lindsey

http://www.kirotv.com/news/21116315/detail.html

If I were to frame somebody in regards to a crime ... it would make sense that I would make sure there was related evidence planted.

According to LE ... it appears there was nothing on Kona's property that has a connectin to Lindsey.

Janet

++++++

Police have yet to find big break in case
By Steven Friederich
The Daily World
Sunday, September 27, 2009 1:14 AM PDT


Chief Criminal Deputy Dave Pimentel said he conducted interviews with a number of people Friday, but said no suspects or persons of interests have been named and no arrests have been made.

“So far, we have not found that smoking gun, we have not found anything that would jump out at us, but without forensic analysis done at the lab, we can’t really say whether what we’ve found will help our cause or not.”

http://**/articles/2009/09/27/local_news/doc4abf03c936aa2261426446.txt

 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 01:42:17 AM
People, you are reading WAY too much into the search warrant. Yes, they have the ability to tell you to leave. In fact, that's pretty standard procedure, especially when the property is so large. The reason is to secure the site in case anything is there. Taking stuff that might lead to clues, or stuff that is reaonably likely to lead to evidence, is routine in a case full of unsolved mysteries. It may or may not be evidence, but it fits the evidentiary profile. The standard for securing a search warrant isn't probable cause that the custodian of the property committed a crime. It's reasonable probability thay evidence exists there for whatever reason. It could have been deposited there by the perp without knowledge of the owner, for example. So you can't indict these people just because a search warrant was issued.

For those who would just open their doors to law enforcement in a case like this, I hope you would think long and hard about that if you're ever put in that position. There's a reason for a constitutional right against unreasonable searches and seizures. There are such things as dirty cops and overzealous prosecutors looking to raise their conviction rates. Law enforcement are people too, and just because they are law enforcement doesn't mean that they're always there to protect and serve.

Finally, these people were astute in getting an attorney. If someone was targeting your property in a missing child case, I'd hope you'd do the same. Because I doubt anyone on this board knows all of their rights. I've been practicing law for 15 years, I know what I'm talking about.

Ok, let the nanners fly. But that's okay because I think most people on this board aren't naïve enough to open their doors to unbridled searches  by law enforcement in a case like this where LE is under a great amount of stress and pressure to solve it.

Thank you JessStar . . . again.  If LE came to my door looking for a child, I really think I would say come in, she isn't here.  However, if LE came to my door with a search warrant -- right after they kicked me out of my own home  I would be headed to the best attorney I could find.  No doubt about that.

An unbridled search is very different than allowing LE to come into your home and look for a missing child.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:42:34 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


possibly this is good news.  If clothing was found and DD you know for a fact that no such items were removed from the home/property searched that everyone is talking about -- that could mean when they executed other search warrants this weekend they could have found something?  Wonder where else they searched as they did say they had several to execute over the weekend?


it is my understanding they were suppose to search other properties besided GOLDERS..

and they DO NOT even OWN A HORSE TRAILER

So if any clothes were found or had anything to do with a horse trailer, that is on someone elses property.   


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:42:41 AM
sister you raise a good point. Maybe something was found at another site that was searched? Hadn't thought of that.
I thought about that too just now reading the latest posts.  Today's articles say nothing was found in connection with Lindsey that they know of barring forensics.  They simply didn't refer to a particular warrant with their findings.  So technically LE wasn't lying and still didn't have to mention what was really found.  They don't want to alert the unsub right now as to what they really have in their evidence bags!  Hope that makes sense xox


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:44:20 AM
well i have never taken anything to heart besides the woman who thought she saw Lindsey. No i mean no rumors ever held water with me. this one makes me physicaly ill. my son and his friends have never spoke of the case too much. just to tell me i was obsessed and needed to stop searching the woods. tonight they brought the info to me. They all know the family and stay clear of them ALL. one of the boys have known them his whole life and know one of them was busted at school with child porn. ones myspace says something about suicide and that instead he would just murder. do u want a link?
I just read the myspace, not much on there. Granted that one sticker thing said that about suicide but imho that doesn't mean anything.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 01:44:28 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the beehive retirement center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the beehive and drives a small white car. I'm just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of Lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


DD?  Is this more distraction?

this rumor is bs
I am going to upload the reciepts of what they took from the property
then there will be no question and no more crap.  I have asked to do this.  it is better to do it now, than have all this crap posted and in everyone's head and reposted over and over and becomes "truth" out here on the board.

so let me upload the receipts and everyone will know exactly what was found. 
dd why are you freaking out on me? we have helped eachother a lot in the past and NEVER had a problem at all. u know i am not being malicious and posting to get attention. We have brought up many things on the board in the past that needed to be looked at if it was truth or fiction. I am living in this town. I am seeing and hearing the things you can not. If this is lies i did not start them only brought them to sort.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 01:45:47 AM
Janet, agree so much with your above posts.
Agree so much I am sending you my liver.
Good night.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:47:00 AM
Great to see you Scandi   ::MonkeyDance::
We all want to see her found and so many others.. They are all very sad.
 So many of you have been on this case and I have been reading along..  But Yes, I would like to see this case get solved.
 I think parents will sleep better across McCleary and most of the Nation..


Hi again Edward,  You just asked if Lindsey walked by this place as it was a 24 hour operation.  I'm wondering if she knew him? 


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:47:32 AM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

If a bathing suit was listed in the search warrant ... I believe the maybe Lindsey quickly put clothes over her bathing suit prior to the walk to the Kampen/William's residence.  The original plan was that Kayla would spend the night at the Baum residence.

Janet

++++++


KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911

Tamikosmom do you know why the girls walked over to Kara's house? Was it to ask if Kayla could spend the night? Was it ever said and if so why didn't the girls just call Kara to ask?  

Not a clue!  It just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: EverySunset on September 28, 2009, 01:47:41 AM
Well, I sort of-halfway understand what is going on and am half way confused, but oh well. It doesn't matter as long as Lindsey is found. I do hope all this confusion means LE is on the track to finding Lindsey soon. I can't sleep, so I'll just be refreshing the screen.  ::MonkeyCool::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: doubledecker on September 28, 2009, 01:50:25 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the beehive retirement center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the beehive and drives a small white car. I'm just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of Lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


DD?  Is this more distraction?

this rumor is bs
I am going to upload the reciepts of what they took from the property
then there will be no question and no more crap.  I have asked to do this.  it is better to do it now, than have all this crap posted and in everyone's head and reposted over and over and becomes "truth" out here on the board.

so let me upload the receipts and everyone will know exactly what was found. 
dd why are you freaking out on me? we have helped eachother a lot in the past and NEVER had a problem at all. u know i am not being malicious and posting to get attention. We have brought up many things on the board in the past that needed to be looked at if it was truth or fiction. I am living in this town. I am seeing and hearing the things you can not. If this is lies i did not start them only brought them to sort.

I am not freaking out on you madibabe, I am trying to tell you the rumors you heard are not true.  at least not about what the found at the golders.  they did not find her clothing, the golders have no horse trailer.  I have the warrants and the reciepts for everything take from the golder's property.

people are making crap up out there and then everyone running with it.  I am trying to stop the bs and rumors.  its crazy


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 01:51:10 AM
It is very unsettling that a group of men, IN A BAR, PROBABLY DRINKING, are talking of taking someone out to the woods? I hope that family has some police protection about now! This is getting crazier by the minute. DD, you need to find out if they have protection!


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Wyks on September 28, 2009, 01:53:47 AM
my monkey was on that beach this past weekend, or at least one closer to me, lol. It was wonderful! But I am willing to go back! Lets go Wyks!
She is going to get cold soon, need to get her redressed!

She kind of reminds me of someone 'holding onto' summer as long as possible.   ::MonkeyTongue::  But okies, let's go!! 


It's gonna be snowing here in a few weeks, betcha!   ::MonkeyWaa::


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: sebastian on September 28, 2009, 01:54:09 AM
Hi Madibabe,
I am glad that you are here. We need to know what is coming out of McCleary right now! I am so curious as to why there seems to be a lot of locals who do not like this particular family. You said that your son and his friends stay clear of them. Why?


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Scandi on September 28, 2009, 01:54:40 AM
Here we go... I got home tonight and my twenty year old son came to me with a few of his friends and told me that they found some of lindseys clothing. I am just tore up... Cant find info on the web about this but if its a rumrr im thinking the person who started it needs a butt kicking. It seems to all come together from the info I WAS TOLD.The person of intrest works at the behive retirment center. The place we had spoke of with empty apartments that were not searched. He also has a white car with tinted windows. My son and his friends say he has always been a creepy guy. He is 23 years old. Has anyone heard anything? It is fact he works at the behive and drives a small white car. Im just so upset right now

who found her clothing.  her clothing was on the warrant to be looked for.  there is nothing on there that said her clothing was found, nothing in the receipts that said they took any clothing like that.  that is just BS.

he did work at beehive.  he had 2 jobs.  has a white car...
its very low and can't be driven anywhere to get rid of lindsey in.  it can barely make it over speed bumps.


DD?  Is this more distraction?

this rumor is bs
I am going to upload the reciepts of what they took from the property
then there will be no question and no more crap.  I have asked to do this.  it is better to do it now, than have all this crap posted and in everyone's head and reposted over and over and becomes "truth" out here on the board.

so let me upload the receipts and everyone will know exactly what was found. 

Hi DD,  It must be that there was another SW for the Beehive Home that you wouldn't have got a copy of, and that fits if her clothes were indeed found at that place.  That means your info is correct just not including everything that LE did this weekend.  xox



Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tracygirl on September 28, 2009, 01:56:05 AM
If Lindsey and Kara's daughter went over to ask Kara's mom if she could sleep over, could Lindsey have brought some clothes along, pajamas, change of clothes, even her swimsuit just in case she was allowed to stay?

If a bathing suit was listed in the search warrant ... I believe the maybe Lindsey quickly put clothes over her bathing suit prior to the walk to the Kampen/William's residence.  The original plan was that Kayla would spend the night at the Baum residence.

Janet

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KaraK
Re: Lindsey Baum, 10y missing from McCleary, WA 6/26/09
« Reply #670 on: July 03, 2009, 04:19:16 PM »


From what Kayla tells me they decided to ask if Lindsey could stay the night only after they started walking over to our house. Often though she did not bring extra clothes if she stayed the night.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5541.msg862911;topicseen#msg862911

Tamikosmom do you know why the girls walked over to Kara's house? Was it to ask if Kayla could spend the night? Was it ever said and if so why didn't the girls just call Kara to ask?  

Not a clue!  It just does not make sense.

 ::MonkeyNoNo::

Janet


Unless of course they were just walking over and planned on Kara saying yes and she would just grab some cloths...hmmm but then they changed the plan half way home for Linsdey to spend the night. But wouldn't MB need to be asked? Why didn't they turn around and ask if that was possible? Then Kara said something about the girls wanted to spend the night the next night together and didn't want to ruin the chances of that...But why did they first want kayla to spend the night? Wouldn't that have ruined the chances?
I don't mean to over obsess with this, it is just not sitting with me tonight.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Sister on September 28, 2009, 01:57:39 AM
It is very unsettling that a group of men, IN A BAR, PROBABLY DRINKING, are talking of taking someone out to the woods? I hope that family has some police protection about now! This is getting crazier by the minute. DD, you need to find out if they have protection!

madibabe, this is why it is upsetting.  This can very dangerous, very quickly.  When people hear rumors, take it for truth, have high emotions running, people can get killed.  I know you know that, but again, this is why the rumors need to stop as best we can help stop them.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: madibabe on September 28, 2009, 01:59:19 AM
It is very unsettling that a group of men, IN A BAR, PROBABLY DRINKING, are talking of taking someone out to the woods? I hope that family has some police protection about now! This is getting crazier by the minute. DD, you need to find out if they have protection!
yes no matter what they need to be looked after. Our area is filled with hot heads. DD for those of us who know you and what you do we apprecate you to the fullest. I have to tell you thow that there is no stopping it. It will stop with me for sure but this town is going to keep it up. this is why I came strait here did not pass go or collect $200.00 lol (I should have paused and grabbed the cash  joke) i know monkeys can set it strait.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 01:59:33 AM
I know it's a little early but I'm going to move to the new thread now!

I'm ready to call it a night and I don't want you guys going past page 100, so I'll just open the new thread now.


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: Tamikosmom on September 28, 2009, 01:59:58 AM
Janet, agree so much with your above posts.
Agree so much I am sending you my liver.
Good night.


... smothered with fried onions and real bacon bits along with mashed potatoes and dark gravey?

 ::cartwheel::

Thank you sister.

Good Night.

Janet


Title: Re: Lindsey Baum # 4 8/26/09 -
Post by: klaasend on September 28, 2009, 02:00:29 AM
THIS THREAD IS NOW LOCKED!

Please move to Lindsey #5


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5994.0