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Cbb, I responded and it accepted, but is not there, that I think I would have loved your mom based on what you wrote.  Corker?  Smart lady, that corker.

Thx, Tyler. She was Queen of the "One Line Wisdom Givers". I've come to realize she kept it short and sweet so I'd remember what she said!  :lol:

I'll always remember as a seven year old trying to explain why I had gotten my Easter dress muddy and torn; "But Mom, it's only natural to be in a hurry to find what the Easter Bunny hid for me, and not change clothes first!" Her reply? " Young Lady, Nature is what we were put here to rise above!"

Boy, did that one ring in my ears in a LOT of circumstances as I grew up!

Your mother sounds so wise, CBB.  My grandmother was a lot like that.  Some of her best were related to premarital sex but I will not post them here as I tend to be going off on a tangent this morning.  I think I would have loved your mother.

Can we bring the post of the wife being questioned in the assault to this page or can we post it on the Anna & Mrs. Marples' thread.  This is quite interesting.

This just posted on the SM front page by Michael, another poster from the Netherlands that watched the show:

I’m also from The Netherlands and saw the show last night.
Some people here are wondering why the Dutch weren’t posting earlier on this site. I think most Dutch people thought the same I did before I saw the show of Peter R. de Vries. Thousands of girls are missing every year and now some American rich girl with connections is missing in Aruba and the whole US are coming down on the Island and those arrogant Americans try to take over the investigation their way. So I think a lot of the Dutch took automatically the side of the van der Sloots.
In The Netherlands it was not a big news item as it was in the US, so a lot of details which were shown last night in the Peter R. de Vries show were new for most of us.

After seeing the show last night I can’t make any other conclusion then that Joran has something to do with the disappearance of Natalee. I’m not convinced that he killed her because I think that the theory of an overdoses drank and drugs is also a good possibility.

It seems to me that Paul has a part in it also by helping his son to bury Natalee and making up the first story that all three of the boys told the first time. In this story were a lot of small particular details that only a person that has experience with this type of investigations or cases can come up with.

Peter R. de Vries is a investigator with a good reputation in The Netherlands. He helped to solve many cases witch the police couldn’t solve. So it’s a good thing that he picked up this case and maybe last night show woke up The Dutch government in The Hague.

From another Dutch poster, Michael Vos - posted on the front page of SM:

Helly everyone,

From the start, I was very upset by the way the investigation in the Holloway-case was done. After the airing of the show last night in the Netherlands, two leading newspapers (Telegraaf and Algemeen Dagblad) have published articles that are critical on the whole investigation. A lot of upset reactions are given too on the papers’ websites:

Telegraaf article: http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/54297081/_Onderzoek_zaak_Holloway_gefrustreerd_.html

AD article:
http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/article847686.ece

On this website, it’s easy to copy paste dutch and translate into english:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/

make sure to select English to Dutch and then press translate…

I want to state that there is a large group of people that does not trust the government, police and judicial system on Aruba. I feel that after the airing of Peter R de Vries yesterday, the whole case may be resolved soon. De Vries has a really good reputation in solving ‘cold’ cases and bringing murderers to justice.

The part in which Joran was confronted was very interesting.

I hope this documentary is shown in the US too (subtitled), because it will show you that the Dutch want this case resolved too and are on the side of the Holloway family.

Michael Vos
Leiden - Netherlands

ORANJESTAD – Glenda Oduber, wife of Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) is called to witness in the matter of the reporting against Minister Ramon Lee.  The national detective is currently investigating a reporting on sexual offence against the minister of Labour, Sport, and Culture.  Oduber’s wife is interrogated because before the reporting, the supposed victim had telephoned her about what happened.   “Hundreds of people call here every day with all sorts of storeys.  We cannot check everything whether they are true or not.  That would mean that we are in court every day or called to witness”, was the premier’s comment on the witness call.  

Oduber says that they received the call to witness via fax around 16:30 on Thursday.  Several newspapers reported this the next day already, which is very strange.  “Only we and the Public prosecutor are supposed to know about the call”, said Oduber.  His opinion is that all the parties have to be careful and reserved about the case.  “It’s a very sensitive matter and I regret the way everything is now in the media.  I also regret the fact that I had to hear the woman cry again telling her story on several radio stations today (Friday, editor).”  

He therefore hopes that the OM will soon have a definite answer on the legal actions and on what had happened exactly.  It’s not right for the government and definitely not for his wife.  He does not understand why his wife was called by the National detectives.  “This is a small community and everybody has stories.  Since I receive a lot of calls, my wife has become kind of a secretary at home.  She hears so many things, but she cannot determine what is true and what is not.  Why didn’t the woman go straight to the police instead of calling my house?  Only somebody that has seen what happened or that knows the details can be considered a witness.  And that’s not my wife.”

According to the De Vries show, the go between person for the photoshopped photo of Joran was KEES.  This was posted on the JoranVDS Blot back on January 27, 2006:

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Tyler, Klaas - The case itself is on page 10 of the M&C thread. It would be easiest if Klaas could just edit this tidbit in.

I have some thoughts about what we know of the show yesterday, but also some questions - that I hope a full translation will answer.

Meanwhile, it is awesome that it has generated interest in The Netherlands. As many of us have said, only an outside force is going to crack that Aruba-Dutch wall, and I hope this is the beginning.

Thanx bunches, Ms. Marples and Klaas.  I think that would be great.

I agree this is much needed despite the fact there is nothing here new to us except the photo-shopped picture of the Delicious Sporter with Natalee.  

It makes me wonder regards the "theft" in Joran's apartment if his roommate is undercover while Joran thinks this is his best bud.   :wink:   One never knows where plants reside.

Thanks, San, for bringing that over.  This is a strange place, this Aruba.  I wonder what the Dutch really think about this place after all the recent events and reading from a free press, a blog that is free to state beliefs and some myths, and yet stick closely to the truth as we can not knowing anymore than we do and especially not knowing who all the players are.  Karen Janssen never redeemed herself and still does not to this day.

Time to do a little work while I listen to the press coverage of Alabama's turn-about in coaches, hang some Christmas ornaments and try to at least get the bows on the wreaths so DH can hang them.

Done :wink:

Tyler, just tune in to Finebaum now....he just pre-empted Rush Limbaugh by 30 minutes and began his show early he is so gleeful. He's breathless.

FOB and Daniel

Photochopped

Danny Boy sure has FOB up in arms over his mysterious interpretation of Joran's photoshop efforts. Sure has peaked my interest. Here is my non-conclusive and sure-to-be-wrong read on what he is trying to say...

He knows more about this picture than De Vries. He believes this because surely De Vries would have noted on the program this paticular piece of info if he had known about it. Part of Joran's motivation here was to create the false impression that he knew Natalee before her Aruba trip. Yet because of his knowledge of the history of the original photo and his personal expertise in the related technical field re photo/vids...Daniel believes there was/is something more sinister afoot.

I find Daniel credible here. He is a Sloot defender but not at the expense of justice. And De Vries/Joran have stumbled into an area of interest to Daniel so he decided to speak out. He has offerred to speak to Anita because he believes Joran is lying to her. He also is debating whether or not to inform the police or De Vries. He thinks this whole episode reflects very badly on Joran. Should be interesting...

Igsigs - I agree and I'd love to know how Daniel knows so much.

privately I think Daniel has always wanted the truth of this, I also trust if he has information of value to the LE that he will address that appropriately.

Todays Greta WIRE

Hi,
Are you aware of the broadcast of famous Dutch crime reporter Peter R. de Vries yesterday, about the Holloway-case? It seems like the local Aruban authorities did frustrate the investigation up to the point, where the detectives were NOT allowed to search the house of the van der Sloots. They did search the small detached house where Joran lived, but they never searched the house of his father.
Isn't it likely that the body of Natalee Holloway could be found, for example, under the floor of this house? No authorities in Aruba were ever allowed to do a forensic investigation there.
I think it's worth watching the Peter R de Vries broadcast, it sheds whole new light on the Aruban investigation and the strange role Dutch magistrates (personal friends of Mr. van der Sloot) played in it.
My guess is Natalee's body can be found in the house of Joran's parents, the only place in Aruba nobody ever took a closer look at, or were prevented from doing so.
Cliff Cremer
Amsterdam
P.S. Did you also know that Joran van der Sloot paid somebody to make a fake photo of him with Natalee?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232082,00.html

Hi, Igs,
Just doing a drive by but inform the police of what I wonder?  I don't remember Daniel as being prone to drama and if he says he knows something I think he just might know something.   :shock:

Could he have spoken to the person who did the shopping and knows what Joran ordered, the look he was going for?

Please post if he offers more information for I am particularly interested in his take on this.  It is the shocking expose, not Bouti claiming Natalee did cocaine or whatever.  Lazlo obviously missed that show where Dompig did nothing except blather on about that.  Dompig also discussed digging up Natalee's remains and moving them like some ghoul that left my jaw on the floor.  Never heard such in my life as that man going on about that as though this is normal behavior.

CryBabyBorg,

Please continue to post and don't worry about what you may or may not have missed.  We go over everything fifty times at least if you will recall and if you are missing some detail, I am sure monkeys will add it for you, etc.

Unfortunately, information is so slow in coming in this investigation that you likely have not missed a thing!  We just review and rehash the old stuff over and over because it is all we have.   :(


And I am surprised to see some of the Dutch posters doing an about-face because of this deVries.  No, I am not really because this is what I thought it would take for them to see the light.  It has to come from one of their own for them to believe it.  :?  But at least a few have now admitted how guilty Joran does appear at long last.  Some seemed to really believe it was some sort of personal vendetta against the Sporter instead of wanting to know the truth.  I don't care who did it as long as justice is obtained by whatever means.  I do thank deVries for that and for featuring this on his program.

And he left it just right for future programs to be added as well.  Many areas he can yet cover.  I hope that he will do so and am delighted two big Dutch newspapers are carrying the story of his show.

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Did you see where Daniel made note of his involvement in the civil case? It's all so odd. Daniel is not one to brag or mislead...or to make something out of nothing, IMO. It sounds like he is very upset at Joran for deceiving his parents. He said if he tells the police then it will have *real consequences for real people*.  I cannot imagine what this is all about.

Sue,
I wonder what Greta is "inclined to believe" about that photoshopped bonkers photo Joran had cooked up.  Does anyone know if Greta speaks/reads Dutch?  That is likely her husband's last name but I was just wondering if she speaks Dutch and could watch deVries.

She needs pointers in how to cover an investigation.   :wink:

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

We would love for that to happen!  Sounds sort of threatening.

igsigs-

Daniel is posting these things at FOB? TIA

I dont believe Greta speaks dutch, Im pretty sure alot of reports she had , had to be translated for Fox.. The guy that wrote the email should
have sent the pictures also

I am worse than you about Greta, I regret that Joran didn't trouble to make a photoshopped photo of he and Greta, with her swooning over him for posterity  :roll:

Yes I did see that.  Very interresting!

I went over to FOB to check it out... didn't see it... was this recently? Was it at FOB?  I can only read so much at those other sites before I have to leave and run to the bathroom to vomit.   :lol:   Thanks!

Will do Anna. FOB is hard to wade through nowadays, though. It's just JR, his mom and 20 SandraKs all in need of smelling salts at the mere mention of De Vries.

Granny Toad refered to the photo as a trophy photo
Joran is a twisted soul, HIs parents created a monster and they need
to step up and shut him down before his next victim

I wondered if they had to be translated for her or for the general public but think you are likely correct that she does not speak Dutch.

I wonder if she has seen the finished product shown yesterday yet?  For sure she needs to!  

Yes it would be hilarious if Joran made one or two featuring Greta as well, lol.   :D  :D  :D

It was last night and this morning/today in the De Vries thread I think starting on page 20 today.

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Love it!

Thanks Klaas!

I am bathing dogs while the weather is perfect and also I am working in the yard to pick up limbs that blow down from the big trees when there is wind so the dogs do not run into them on the ground.  Can stick in their eyes, always remove downed limbs around dogs, especially small ones.

I try to read at FOB but that forum is so strange, like it starts in the middle of the screen.  And today I just haven't had time.  The weather here is just gorgeous and must take advantage of if while it is here.

I am depending on observant monkeys to gather the news and information and return to the cage with it all.

It must be highly entertaining to watch them try to pretend that this sick photo Joran had is normal.  :D
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This is so much to soak in..My head is spinning..
Where do we go from here? How do we get the answer the family
so desperately needs? Will De Vries keep covering this case?
or will he drop the ball? The interest of many are peaked including
many from Holland.. What will it take to crack someone?
Does anyone think that the Kalpoes will be realeased on the 30th?
Does anyone know what the family thinks of all of this?

It sounds as though De Vries plans at least one follow-up program.  The reactions from the Dutch have been that they agree Joran is guilty and there are problems with the Prosecutors office and investigation.

Well I will add that to my prayer list.. At this point it is critical they DO NOT
drop the ball, the interest is there and people are listening now and will listen more if more information is available.. It makes me happy that there are wonderful people in Holland that fully understand the families dismay with this investigation and how everything from day on was mishandled..

I agree klaas!

I went to the comments sections of the 2 Dutch papers that the front page poster provided -- and let babelfish do it's magic.

There are a few 'trolls', which is to be expected, but the vast majority are overwhelming in agreement that Joran is guilty, his father played a huge role, and the Dutch on the island are to blame for the coverup.

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But why the reluctance to go to the police?  If there are consequences, then can we assume that people deserve the consequences?  This has gone on an agonizingly long time for the family.

A's Fever,  Would you trust going to the police in Aruba?  Look how they've botched and lost everything up until now.  I wouldn't trust them.  However, who DO they go to?  There has to be somebody trustworthy to go to.

A's Fever,  Would you trust going to the police in Aruba?  Look how they've botched and lost everything up until now.  I wouldn't trust them.  However, who DO they go to?  There has to be somebody trustworthy to go to.

I was thinking that Daniel is Dutch not Aruban and that he would go to the Dutch police.  But yes, definitely not ALE!

... one would certainlly hope that there would be someone trustworthy.....

:oops:  sorry for dupe. post....

The family comes to mind also, and the FBI.

True, good point.  I wasn't thinking about Dutch one's.....

Posted on the front page of SM by Amsterdamned:

Dagboek van maandag 27 november
“Joran van der Sloot is ziek”. Uiteindelijk is deze uitspraak van een van zijn beste vrienden de kern van de hele uitzending van gisteravond, van Peter de Vries, over de zaak Natalee Holloway. Ik vind het overtuigend. Ik dacht eerst ook dat een normale jongen van zeventien die je aan strenge politieverhoren onderwerpt, wel door zal slaan. Maar Joran is niet zo normaal. Ik had destijds ook al wat twijfels bij die rare website van hem, maar dat hij en zijn vader zo doortrapt zouden zijn als ze nu werden afgeschilderd kon ik toen nog niet bevroeden. Wel vreemd dat al die Amerikaanse verslaggevers niks zinnigs boven water wisten te krijgen, hoe professioneel zijn die Amerikaanse journalisten eigenlijk? Of hebben ze hier alleen hun sensatiepoot voor laten uitrukken?

Ik ben ook erg benieuwd wat Revu-collega Zvetzana, die bezig is met een boek over de affaire, van de uitzending vindt. Zij heeft veel contact gehad met de familie Van der Sloot. Ik heb haar inmiddels even gebeld en uiteraard heeft ze met veel interesse gekeken, maar ze mag er niks over zeggen, van de uitgever. Off the record hebben we nog wel wat gebabbeld, dat blijft uiteraard onder de pet. Haar boek komt in april uit. Foto rechts: de gemanipuleerde foto die Joran van zichzelf en Natalee liet maken en waaruit zou moeten blijken dat hij bij Natalee thuis is geweest.

This comment was published today on:http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

One of the best crime journalist of the netherlands.

He also announced that there will be soon a book published (by zvetzana) about The Holloway case.

TRANSLATED ROUGHLY THROUGH BABEL FISH:
day book of Monday 27 November "Joran of of the ditch are sick". Eventually this pronouncement of of its best friends the core of the complete retransmission of yesterday evening is, of peter freeze, concerning the case Natalee Holloway. I find it persuading. I thought firstly also that a normal boy of seventeen who you submit to strict politieverhoren will beat, however, by. But Joran are not this way normal. I had then also all what doubts at that strange Internet site of him, but that he and its father this way cunning would be such as them were now depicted could I then not yet suspect. However, strange that all could those American report donors get nothing sensible above water, how professional are those American journalists actual? Or them to only their sensation leg have let turn out for this? I have been also a lot aroused curiosity what Revu-collega find Zvetzana, which is busy with a book concerning the affair, of the retransmission. She has had much contact with the family of of the ditch. I have meanwhile just as rung its and of course them with much interest have looked at, but she can say nothing, of the editor. Off the record we have still what chattered, which remains of course under the cap. Its book is produced in April. Photograph Right: the manipulated photograph which let make Joran of itself and Natalee and from which appear would have that he has been at Natalee at home. This comment were published today on:http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/ One or the best crime journalist or the netherlands. He also announced that there will be soon a book published (by zvetzana) about The Holloway case.

Hi everyone!

Trying to catch up. Been buzzing around today. Beautiful beautiful glorious day here in sunny Florida.  :P  I love living in Florida.  :P


De Vries I think shed some light on the case last night. He let the Dutch understand better about the investigation, or lack there of, and the corruption/cover-ups within the ALE, Officials and the families involved. (ie Joran, Paulus and friends.)

I am not so sure what will become of it since De Vries show aired, concidering how corrupt Aruba is. I don't think they will budge. Not unless some BIG brother mafia says so. Those in Aruba don't do anything unless orders handed down to them. And I wouldn't be surprised if Chavez or those in that neighborhood aren't well connected or involved in helping with the cover-ups. JMO

So If I am reading that right about that amsterdam poster
is He/she saying that Jorans book will have the photo in it ??
tell me im reading wrong

I think you are reading it right....

I truly believe Joran to be a lethal predator. Especially after seeing the picture of Joran and Natalee photo shopped.  

What person in their right mind would do this(photoshop) who is a suspect in a murder case? I mean, come on. The boy has major issues. And I would hope and pray his family would put Joran into therapy to help him before he gets way out of controll and strikes out again. Papa Sloot may not be able to help him out the next time around. How ever the count is by now. I truly believe it's not the first time and it won't be the last. Once they get a taste of killing or death involved it only escalates and starts a sequence of events that will cause a second, third, ect.

You know with this picture of Joran and Natalee is disturbing to me. I can't get it out of my head. ugh!

Taking or making of souviners from or of the victim(s) is evidence of fantasy at work.  Joran has major issues.

GET THE BOY HELP NOW ANITA! Please, before another girl falls victim to your ill-begotten son.

I agree that Joran is a lethal predator.  Joran was in therapy and it did not help him.  Paulus is just as twisted as his son.  I believe a lot of what Joran has learned came from his father.  I agree that Joran will try and strike again and hopefully someone is watching him closely.  I also feel that Paulus believes in his own mind that Joran will not do this again.  One of Paulus' comments in an interview he did was that "Joran has changed".  I take it as him saying oh Joran has learned his lesson and he won't do it again so don't worry.  That is a sick mentality to think like that.

From Robin on BFN

We have no knowledge of any drug use and am sad that it is even an issue.

Hi Monkeys.  Just taking a break now from grading argumentative essays (ugh) and checking in.  Lots of talk and interest now in what will happen next.  The ball is in the Dutch investigator's court now.

With the De Vries show last night it seems to have taken a lot of attention off the Kalpoes.  I think we all agree that Joran is the murderer but the Kalpoes are also guilty of Kidnapping and Rape.  So when the judge rules in favor of the Kalpoes I am going to be pissed off.  Are they trying to soften that blow by bringing all this attention on Joran.

I couldn't agree more.

 :D

Where are you dkpen??

It's been drizzling and raining all day here in Miami.

Pensacola, Florida area.  We had a lot of rain last week with a LOT of heavy wind. Then it turned cold a few days down in it's mid to high 30s. The last two days has been soooo beautiful. Back in its 70s.  :D

I betcha Witt, Smid and Co. are very aware of De Vries' accusations. They are cornered. Joran and the Ks are still telling different stories. If they release the K's this week from suspect status then they are admittting that Joran's story is BS. And it makes any past or future ruling in favor of Joran look corrupt.

monsters like joran do things like the picture thing because they THINK they are UNTOUCHABLE


so did CAPONE  8)


didnt capone die in PRISON

I don't think the Kalpoes are directly involved in Natalees demise but indirectly involved by association, after the fact. Oh they may of been involved in the act of rape, but not her death.

I believe Deepak knows a LOT more than he is telling. Satish knows something but I don't think he knows everything. Hince why Deepak wants to keep his younger brother out of it.

Joran is directly involved with Natalees demise and directly involved with her disappearance. Same goes with Paulus. He is directly involved with her disappearance.

i agree

normal people do not PHOTO SHOP or superimpose themselves with a friend or family member UNLESS the person is the PREIDENT of the UNITED STATES or a MOVIE STAR that you can do for a couple of bucks  at PARKS

i think at amusement parks you can do it

OTHER than that

NAME one other person in the WORLD that would do what JORANSTEIN
did


SICK BASTARD  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

PAULUS is not only a failed JUDGE but also a FAILED PARENT

While at Alcatraz, he exhibited signs of syphilitic dementia. Capone spent the rest of his felony sentence in the hospital. On January 6, 1939, his prison term expired and he was transferred to Terminal Island, a Federal Correctional Institution in California, to serve his one-year misdemeanor sentence. He was finally released on November 16, 1939, but still had to pay fines and court costs of $37,617.51.

After his release, Capone spent a short time in the hospital. He returned to his home in Palm Island where the rest of his life was relaxed and quiet. His mind and body continued to deteriorate so that he could no longer run the outfit. On January 21, 1947, he had an apoplectic stoke that was probably unrelated to his syphilis. He regained consciousness and began to improve until pneumonia set in on January 24. He died the next day from cardiac arrest. Capone was first buried in Mount Olivet Cemetery in Chicago's far South Side between the graves of his father, Gabriele, and brother, Frank, but in March of 1950 the remains of all three were moved to Mount Carmel Cemetery on the far West Side.

Antonio Carlo

The conscience-plagued sloot attorney seems to have had second thoughts about his role in covering up a murder, and his own culpability, if his deviant and psychologically-tortured client happens to harm another girl.

The exchange descibed by De Vreis between Jannsen and Carlo, where Carlo evidently approached Jannsen w/ relevant information about the case, and indicates he is aware that jvds bears criminal responsibility for Natalee's disappearance (murder, rape, etc).  

This is strange indeed.  And borders on legal malpractice which could void any judgement against jvds in the future.  And what does Jannsen do?  She attempts to broker further info and Carlo says she'll have to find the "evidence" herself.  And where do we end up?

Nowhere.  Right where we were.

De Vreis attempts to interview Carlo re: these strange events, and Antonio does what all Dutch Arubans do best: he deflects and then runs away.

IMO, the De Vreis show accomplished much in terms of informing and educating Dutch audiences about the events surrounding the murder of Natalee.

I think one of the things accomplished also was the destruction of Karin Jannsen's career.  She deserves it, and verily so, for her base and incompetent handling of this case, and by leading the false arrests of the security guards.

De Vreis should get this incompetent and dangerous woman ( who actually had the temerity and gall to write in a letter to the US Dept of Justice inquiring whether Beth Holloway Twitty was directly related to Adolph Hitler ) on his show next for a detailed interview.  

Her record in this case should be broadcast, as warning to people everywhere who want or need to know the state of jurisprudence in the place formerly known as Aruba.

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What stands out in my mind is when Beth asked Deepak "Did you help her Deepak".  He stood there motionless.  Deepak and Satish were present when Natalee was severely harmed.  Satish would have never asked his brother how is the girl.

Fantasy's Integral Role

"The serial killer, much like the chronic gambler and problem drinker, is addicted to the use fantasy."

Addiction's purpose is that of a coping devise. It becomes the method by which the addice can "manage and magically control multiple forms of anxiety".

Addiction is a progressive disease.

"Simply put, it gets worse."

The similarities between sexual addiction, for example, and gambling addiction, and alcoholism, are greater than one would expect.  :?

JANNSEN is in BED with PAULUS





i know i know i know


after you read the above statement please feel free to take a LONG HOT SHOWER to get rid of the GROSS feeling while your imagination goes HAY WIRE  :twisted:

JACKPOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks  :D

"I don't know where she is buried"




said by JORAN VAN DER SLOOT



wrong answer idiot :evil:


he is saying she was BURIED and he doesnt want to tell the police or anyone else where he buried her


hmmmmmmmmm...ADMISSION in my BOOK that he knows she was dead and she was buried


LOCK THESE PEOPLE UP

Klaas you really are amazing!!
I can't believe that you remembered Kees in this little exchange.
Wow! Good job!

Now when did those party pictures first show up on RU?

I wonder if Joran has ever had a Psychopaths PCL-R test. hmmm Would be interesting to know if he has and what the scores were, if indeed he has.

i hate em all

Dutchlady on Trophy-Taking

From Scared Monkeys September 21, 2005:

Yes. In the case of where suspects, or persons who display a perchant for internet profiles that include deviant behaviour, and show sexual connotations as in Joran and one male in some male voyeur behaviour as 'wanted' pose, this supports the minds of relaying activities of such a nature.

Now on tv last night was a Major in real life who castigated on camera a family who's son was drinking openly in the holiday camp as not acceptable behaviour. This was filmed in England. It showed the Major as camp manager not allowing and subjecting father and family to the wrongs of illegal drinking as under age. Contrast this filmed documentary with what is known of Joran as under 17 and the values placed by the parents as European values.

In going further this Major would be of the same mind as me and others that what is shown on published material is a portrayal of persons wrapped in clingfilm, garrotted or intoxicated and in some humiliating pose. In contrast Joran to gay persons asked is 'inviting his body' as lure, so is that the message he is getting to any person who views the photographs? If not what other reason for the person who took and staged the photoshoot, and the actors themselves who have 'played' in these parts. I do think that in human behaviours and the reports that simple sex as normal behaviour of juveniles is not what has been happening on Aruba. It seems that the game is as known to other sectioned communities a trophy and they do take trophies.

If one takes a girl who is selected and informs on the internet of the 'prize' as an assumption of choice, for they may have had others in the frame, then this one was the most easy. She would have been led to one, and not known this was 'three strange guys' who's car she got into. In fact Deepak is calling himself one of those 'strange guys'. This is the actor phase coming out as it is dissociation that he was the one driving and in control of the whole situation. The driver has a lot of power. Hence. the place said to be the command centre all along had to be a private, controlled premises where they were safe. That means no interference.

The tools if we look at cognitive states in the tickle sites are camera, internet, car, and Van Der Sloot home. The issue reminds me of the death of Princess Diana where the desired photographs of her death in the car were fed to media brokered over the internet. In my mind has always been did someone make a headline that morning, but that is sidetracking. The point is that in making pictures for whatever reason this does not stop in persons traits as a signature. I think Deepak is the camera man on the tickle sites and is the uploader of images because of the technology he has and had at his disposal. That is why in statements as 'through away' words he has used past tense and the term 'goodie two shoes'. I would in this case be looking for shoes as a word of two and shoes. It strikes a cord and in coming into visual sensory memory banks he has used a phrase to evade saying the words he does not want to say.

If there is a disc of images it will most likely have been posted as cd. But as Deepak was online I am surmising the importance was the processing of digital camera images as it does not make sense in what is past behaviour. Now in addictive traits that are AOD's as exhibited consider also the 'salient wanting' of entrapment. In having a subserviant, compliant object that is human the mind engages on control. We all know of the experiment where senior officers were made both jailer and imprisoned. In less than five minutes the play acting turned sinister and even mild none 'wanting' brains fed on neurochemical charges and sparked off a frenzy in the others in that control group.

In rounding up, the sex with a prone person captured with no method of escape and the actions on that person are a time warp and have to be captured to relive the experience. If in a real scenario this behaviour had been part of sensation seeking in AOD and other addictive performances then the group who viewed what went on would seek to record this as a premeditated act of 'high jinks' in contrast to criminal acts. This is status empowerment same as graffiti is unlawful in the lower classes but not in public school vandalism as same crime. One is covered by money and power, the other is generalization of inner city poor and societal norms.

I hope this gives some real examples of what is really factual in behaviours that person exhibit as themselves as 'norms'. I therefore think the fbi should look in the safety boxes of persons of interest for such hardcopies just in case.[/b]

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We were told by a friend long ago that his addiction to gambling was fueled by alchohol.  When he went through therapy, he had to deal with both and must now, refrain from both to stay clean.   They are all linked.

 :shock: Are you an English teacher?!

If so, no wonder your posts are so communicative.  :wink:   Also, how very sweet of you to not act as the grammar police.  :lol:

Memphis, yes, I'm an English teacher.     I've been found out!   :lol:  No, I would never grammar police anyone as they would have every right to scrutinize me in return.  I do think what Hammer has posted is significant.  In rereading Dutch Lady's post, I wonder if all this publicity has deprived Joran of his cherished token(s) from the crime.  Perhaps Daddy has made sure they either do not exist or are not in Joran's possession.  If true, Joran may have created his own token by superimposing his image into the picture of Natalee.  It seems the images he chose are very telling and might remind him of that fateful night.

Any word yet on whether the transcript of de Vries' show has been posted?  I can't wait to read it.

Just musing here... we all know Joran displays psychopathic behavior and most of us agree that he is a lunatic murderer with possible addictions to gambling, alcohol, and pornography.  Nice picture, eh?  I'm wondering what effects the pressure of de Vries show and the Dutch investigation are having on him.  He's not been particularly successful in school, if he's even in school anymore, and he's not working that we know.  For an unstable person, this sounds like a tremendous amount of pressure.  I hope the Sloots are monitoring their other sons closely and not leaving them alone with Joran--very dangerous.  He's going to break soon.

None posted that, at the time of the original picture posting, a university ID was required by facebook.  Yes, wang +, posted the picts, but maybe Joran (the university student) got them and then cleaned his computer.  Daniel might know this.

Friends of my brother, in Amsterdam, emailed me their take (and they knew nothing about the case), that their impression is that the DA, parents, etc, are covering for Joran because they went to his house for more cocaine, she overdosed, it was too late for the hospital....so they don't want to ruin Joran's life because it won't bring Natalee back.  I, of course, brought them up to speed.....but I'm concerned that others might have that impression.

In our De Vries thread I've posted a translation of part of the first 1/2 that was posted on another site (FOB).  Mostly just background stuff we already knew.

I think Beth said Deepak just looked at the ground when she asked that.  As for Satish asking how the girl was doing, even if he didn't ask that question of Deepak Monday, putting it in the statement tells us the Kalpoes knew Natalee was in trouble the night before.

Remember I told you I enjoyed reading your posts.  :wink:  You seem to convey exactly what you intended.

Yes, Hammer posted some good stuff. I've been trying to wade through that last Dutch Lady post. It's not exactly an easy read.  :D  

Does anyone know Dutch Lady's background? Was it psychologoy?

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Klaas?  Don't know if I missed an earlier post on this, but do we have numbers for access to this site from Aruba during and after the De Vries show?

I think the whole lost of Aruba has ASPD.

From the tscript in DeVries thread:  

 

Lee's statement was that Natalee was "escorted" back to her room by one person.  Not carried by a group of people.  Why did the program feel the need to exaggerate here?

No, I was too busy to look.

Shizaru - don't forget this is being translated from Dutch to English.  I think it's just something in the translation.  I wouldn't make that much of it.

I am beginning to believe now that she, not the package itself, is the poison from the Hague.  I do know that she was there contorting her body in order to pat herself on the back when she was supposedly taking evidence to the Hague.

I agree 100%. and as far as . . .
Dutchlady on Trophy-Taking
From Scared Monkeys September 21, 2005:
IMO the video or images were taken and shared, but not shared via the internet, but via portable hard drive. I still feel there is a connection to Miami. Can anyone confirm that Paulus traveled to Miami shortly after the disapearance of Natalee? Maybe he is the Miami connection . . . anyone know if he traveled to Miami frequently?

I also have a supicsion regarding Satish and D not wanting him involved.

Evening Monkeys! :)

Thank you Klass! :)

Evening Monkeys

There was a post in early July by someone who had just returned from Aruba. This person claims they saw Paulus at the airport in Aruba as they were leaving the island.

Maybe, let's see how Ramm translates it.    

Of course the big question re: the DeVries program is why the ****  is it that they couldn't give Natalee's family any advance warning about the allegations they were going to make against Natalee (and as of last night weren't responding to inquires from Natalee's family about those allegations), but they could give that information out to an Internet poster over the phone?

Shizaru, I saw a post where Ramm at BFN (I think) later corrected the "carried" part to "escorted".

I've often wondered about Anita:  
A.  Is she covering for Joran and Paulus, knowing full well what they do, what kind of men they really are?  

B.  Does she "know" but not really know, and is in denial?  

C.  Is she truly clueless, believing her men are innocent of all charges?

B.  Does she "know" but not really know, and is in denial?  

I have to agree with B.

I'm trying to find it...

Enabler who was called back from Holland to help coordinate stories, enabler of the first degree.

Anita knows all and makes the stories as she can be objective.  She is the one who has given them the stories to tell.  Why else would she call on Freddy to help her?  Because she knows Joran will not tell her the truth and she wanted Paulus and Joran out of the room so she could hear everything; thus, she could help them coordinate the stories.  If Joran is the spawn of Satan, what does that make Anita?

DeVries timing on this was perfect.  Hopefully, if anyone wanted to just stamp it Cold Case and forgetaboutit, this show will have given them some info and motivation not to do so.  (Now that I know we have an English teacher, I changed "not to" to "not to do so."  That's better, right?)   :wink:

Here is a portion of the De Vries show made available by Daniel at FOB - you should be able to just click on the image and it will play:

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/th_devries-joran.jpg) (http://s37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/?action=view&current=devries-joran.flv)

Thanks Hammer for bringing Dutchlady back in.

It's too bad we couldn't raise the $$ for her, for she wished to go to Aruba to solve the case. Has anyone heard from her or about what she is doing now?

I remember following her, Anna, Aruba girl and many others who are still dedicated on this post. I followed them from Rheil World (sp) very early on and also in some travel site.

We must never give up until Natalee has come home in all sense of the word.

Keep up the Good Works, Monkeys! through thick and thin.

IBE

I think Anita's in denial.  She knows what her boys are up to but can't deal with it.  Now she has Beth to blame, so life is better.   :shock: I haven't read the translation yet but did Jacobs really call Joran the Devil?    :lol:

Klaas, the screen capture of Joran's and Kee's exchange is amazing.

Anyone, do you know when those pictures of Natalee and her friends were first posted at RU?

I'm reading Daniel's posts over at FOB.  :shock:

Klaas

Looks like you'll have to change the peeping through the blinds picture to the peeping through the curtains.. :lol:

 :lol:  :lol: That's the first thing I thought of when I saw that too!!  :lol:

Others may remember better than I but I believe it was around the same time,  January 2006.

The following is from FOB....

Posted: Mon Nov 27th, 2006 08:56 am  
 
MoonShadows wrote:
de Vries implied Joran tried to "create false evidence" of a previous relationship with Natalee with the picture.  It seems that's what Daniel is implying as well.  


Daniel wrote: I don't think it was intended as evidence of anything in particular.

De Vries does not know why that photoshop job was done, or he would have used that information in his show.

Note that the original photo of Natalee and her girlfriend was not in wide circulation on the net yet when Joran had it photoshopped on Jan 25/26 of this year. Only a very small circle of trusted people had it.

I'm trying to get my mind around the implications here.  :shock:

On of the Monkeys mentioned that the earrings on Natalee we missing in Joran's photoshopped picture.

Would this have any psychological implications or wasn't there an earring supposedly shown to the mom?

Memory is vague. Help please?

I seem to remember a discussion of the earrings was important early on.

If I remember correctly, it was Stinkeypete that posted those photos from the MB kids facebook accounts.

Since we know Joran had some type of therapy....I am sure that Anita was well informed of his disorder.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out.  The FBI, Dutch behaviorists and even Dompig nailed it.  Yes, Anita knew before all the rest.  She may have ignored it or assisted in covering his bad behavior....but she wasn't ignorant.  IMO

In regard to the discussion about hard drives and dissimination of information...

Remember Anna's comments about the lack of info from the hard drive company that "looked" at Joran's hard drive?

Also a CD is much quicker to disminate info... can be mailed or hand given, thus no "digital trail" per se.

Too bad none of the police checked the hard disk drives at the Internet Cafe or conveniently "forgot" to check???

But they "got" Capone on tax evasion and that is why he was imprisioned....not because of all of his dastardly deeds.  I have always wondered why Joran, etc. was not charged and surely could have been convicted with kidnapping.

This is a screen capture from the show....

(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/memphi/devries-nat-4.jpg)


and this is a translation by HannieC....


The first picture has to be used. And the guy in the second, third, fourth, or fifth has to be placed in the first picture ( You can choose which one is the easiest to use) The best would be if this one would be pasted onto that girl ( so that that girl who`s standing on the left in the first pic is not seen anymore, if that isn`t really possible, than you have to put this guy just over her)
If that looks believable, and they buy it,than i will make sure you`ll get €200,-- from Kees.
If it isn`t possible, than we can let this guy make a picture that he fits in excactly,
but we don`t have a lot of time.

Thanks,.....( looks like---> and if you have any questions), you can call Kees, or mail me back

the small circle of friends could be those at RU who illegally obtained the photo via the face books, and it was pretty early in January, if memory serves.  I would be willing to bet Nonesuche has the dates on that.  Is someone implying that Joran got these pictures or they were obtained from Joran from others?  It is likely that someone who illegally obtained these photographs "relayed" them to Joran.

If that is the case, I would say he either took the earrings as a souvenir or that during a confrontation they were ripped from her ears.  Speaking of stealing the gold from your dead mother's teeth. . .

Hammer: So very well stated (as always) ...I agree.

I absolutely agree.

Well...I've always wondered if that was actually & literally true. And have also wondered if they were deeply and heavily involved in a passionate lover's tryst the night that Natalee was harmed.  I've wondered that, as well as wondering, if indeed, Paulus was also one of those sexually attacking a helpless Natalee at his home. It's a toss up.

Daniel thinks Joran sent the email and copied himself.

Where is everyone?

Anita knows exactly what they are and knows the whole story.  Those tears we saw are only because they got caught.

yep

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Did Joran hack into the MySpace account himself and get the pics?

(email is hackers_rule@hotmaill.com)

I'm really not sure what this means, but I think it is big.

Posted/translated by Tjeerd at FOB:

http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/

(http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/images/joransbs1375_2.jpg)
(http://misdaadjournalist.web-log.nl/misdaadjournalist/images/nataleedevries1.jpg)

Dagboek van maandag 27 november (Diary of Monday 27 November)


 "Joran van der Sloot is ziek". ("Joran vd Sloot  is ill") Uiteindelijk is deze uitspraak van een van zijn beste vrienden de kern van de hele uitzending van gisteravond, van Peter de Vries, over de zaak Natalee Holloway. (Eventually this is a statement of one of Joran's best friends the core of the whole programme of yesterday, of PdV, about the case Natalee Holloway) Ik vind het overtuigend. ( I find it convincing) Ik dacht eerst ook dat een normale jongen van zeventien die je aan strenge politieverhoren onderwerpt, wel door zal slaan (First I also  thought .a normal boy of seventeen who is confronted to heavy police interviews will squeal)  Maar Joran is niet zo normaal. (But Joran is not so normal)Ik had destijds ook al wat twijfels bij die rare website van hem, maar dat hij en zijn vader zo doortrapt zouden zijn als ze nu werden afgeschilderd kon ik toen nog niet bevroeden (I had then some doubts about his strange website of his, but that he and his father would be so wicked as they are now depicted I could not have predicted). Wel vreemd dat al die Amerikaanse verslaggevers niks zinnigs boven water wisten te krijgen, hoe professioneel zijn die Amerikaanse journalisten eigenlijk? Of hebben ze hier alleen hun sensatiepoot voor laten uitrukken? (Quite strange all these American journalists could find nothing useful really, how professional are these American journalists? Or have they only sent their sensation section? )

Ik ben ook erg benieuwd wat Revu-collega Zvetzana, die bezig is met een boek over de affaire, van de uitzending vindt. ( I am very anxious what Revu collegae Zvetzana who writes a book on this affair thinks of the programme)Zij heeft veel contact gehad met de familie Van der Sloot. (She has had much contact with the family Van der Sloot) Ik heb haar inmiddels even gebeld en uiteraard heeft ze met veel interesse gekeken, maar ze mag er niks over zeggen, van de uitgever.(I have phoned her today and she watched it with much interest but she is not supposed to say anything because of the publisher) Off the record hebben we nog wel wat gebabbeld, dat blijft uiteraard onder de pet.(Off the reccord we have chatted a bit but I will say nothing ) Haar boek komt in april uit (Her book will appear in April). Foto rechts: de gemanipuleerde foto die Joran van zichzelf en Natalee liet maken en waaruit zou moeten blijken dat hij bij Natalee thuis is geweest. (Photo right: the manipulated picture which Joran had made of himself and Natalee and which had to appear as if he had been at Natalee's place)

Comment by Tjeerd:

What is this all about? This man is supposed to be an crime expert?? This is  pathetic!!! I think De Vries tries to change public opinion indeed....

Tomorrow I will mail this Korterink what this is all about....

Can the Netherlands encumber the money Joran might get from a book until the case goes to trial??

Posted on the front page of SM by Maarten:

Joran is living in a student house in Zevenaar, near to Arnhem, The Netherlands. He don’t speak to the press, has to hide something in my opinion.

I have been thinking about this photoshopped pic.  What could have been the possible reason for paying so much to have a picture of himself at Natleee's house?  And the timing of it.....  The only thing I can think of is that he was possibly going to turn it over to the publisher of his book.... an effort to clear himself?  How could such an obvious forgery be taken seriously by anyone??  

Any other ideas about why he would want such a picture?

I don't know what their laws are. When it was announced that he was going to write a book, the family , I hope would work thru JQK.
Using images of Natalee, would that be legal ?

Klaas,

Again, thank you for all of your hard work and dedication!

Would you please provide the link to the photoshopped = cropped pict of Joran in the Twitty's home?

I'd like to see if it has earrings or not.

TYIA

IBE

he would tell his NON INFORMED friends he knew natalee from years ago

they were old pals

he would never hurt her


"see, i even have pictures when i visited her house a couple years ago"


stupid friends would believe the DELICIOUS JORAN  8)

Heh, heh, Anita isn't just covering for her 'boys', she's running the whole show.

So far, IMO:
A.   Yes, probably. Desiring to spare HERSELF further hurt.
B.   She knows..and by now, realizes that the son is as devious as the father, and Joran's adult games are far worse than Joran's childhood trespasses which she always had to deal with, as far as other parents' complaints. It's serious stuff now.
C.   She's not clueless, but has tried for years to spare herself further hurt, so she has chosen to ignore Joran's warped personality. Paulus was most likely told that he was now in charge of Joran. Joran probably exhibited his anti-social behavior at a very wee age.  Is that why they moved all the way to Aruba when he was small ????

Looks like you nailed it, it appears the sporter is doing an OJ 'if I did it' book.

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/devries-nat-2-2.jpg)

Original

(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a306/klaasend/nat3.jpg)

The earring is gone.......... :shock:

A repost by NYCHIC of an old SM front page post:
here is another one of those cryptic posts:

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Uhm up until now there hasn’t been any more person detained.Maybe that was a news mixup.Today Mr Lejuez (not sure who he is representing)adressed a local radio with some other facts.Or potential facts may I say.
Supposedly Joran van der Sloot was crying in his cell where he is held. And he started talking to Jones(one of the security Guards who is also still held).He said that he thinks that the Kalpoe bro’s might be up to something.HE added that it seemed as if they are trying to make it seem like he killed Ms Holloway.So he decided to “confess”.He said that the Kalpoe brothers dropped him off FIRST.At the goobyes he exchanged email information with Ms Holloway and then he got out of the car.Came monday , they decided to tell the police that all 3 of them dropped Ms NAtalee , and invented the entire 2 security guard story.
My question: WHAT THE HELL IS THIS ? Now you want to “confess” again? And without telling a reason WHY the 3 of you had decided to come up with a story?
You’re all guilty..this is guilty behavior.
But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)… Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do. That is how much i know of this ‘rumor’. This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can’t even think straight ,so they confess to this. I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It’s utter and completely wrong. May god rest Natalee’s soul..

Posted by: AuA82 at June 13, 2005 04:44 PM

 :shock: Wow...that was the first I saw of the photo-shopped picture of him wearing a white T-shirt pretending to be standing with Natalee. :shock:  Have only so far seen the blue shirt fake photo from last night. Thanks for this video...Joran, your game is up....you will forever be haunted & hunted..  (deVries is so adorable.)

I just watched the little clip and the earrings are there in the shopped photo. There is another picture with J and Natalee together as if they are like on a date.

I think it's still there - hold on, doing a new screen shot that I'll enhance.

You know this could very well be what he was doing.  They didn't know much about the case in the Netherlands.

In the video which is a better quality, they are there.

Heh, heh, believe the 'Biggest Rumor' part, all except the fell and hit head
and the trip to the lighthouse.

Oh my gosh, it is gone!

Wow..

Thanks Klaas. One more favor please? My HD crashed and I had thought I had back up most of the stuff... can't find my monkey avatar? Any other way of recoving it... aka you with the giant database? Did you have to add an addition to the house for the databases???

We appreciate your effort though.

Thanks,

IBE

OK Monkeys, what does the photoshopped picture mean with the missing earring???

Hammer, can you contact Dutchlady???

TIA

Thanks..I was scared...does that sound like robots.. :lol:

You know, I can believe there is some truth to this rumor. I had not previously read this post, but the rumor goes along to some extent with what I had speculated might have happened. Of course, it wouldn't be the entire truth of what happened (not buying the accidental injury), but there are some aspects of the story that I can buy.

Yes....her pseudo-perfect life is over. Those tears are for herself. The entire world now knows what a terror her delicious Joran really is. Bad seed.

Thanks Kat_Gram,

I was writing the post as you were posting.

So the earring is there in the video but not the still picture? Am confused.

Think any of the crow feathers will be showing around the edges of Greta's mouth?

thats was good ...hehehehehehehehe

but you need to go like this

skeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeered  :twisted:

I was going back reading the case documents over the past few days...

I dug up the following Deepak ALE Statement of 6/29/2005

I would like to hear other people's opinions on it.

------------------


Deepak interview with police
6/29/2005

On your question what Joran's mom meant by telling us that we should stay away from the "Marriot Hotel", I can say the following. With this she meant that the police was monitoring that area and that we were already in trouble. So avoid the area and that it was best to head home.

---------------

I find it very strange that Anita singled out the Marriott as a  'HOT ZONE'
and for the boys to stay away due of cop presence. Had Joran already come up with LIE CHANGE #2 by this time?

Something about it doesn't sound riight to me.

Anita is already saying the boys are in trouble.  TROUBLE FOR
WHAT? Leaving Natalee at the beach. That is certainly no crime
if it hapened just the way DILBERT said it did.

How can she reconcile that? The Sporter is innocent
and his poop smells like friggin rose petals... but stay away
from the Marriott because you're in trouble?

SHE'S ALREADY SAYING they are in trouble.

Had the DROP AT MARRIOTT  been introduced at this time?

I don't think it was... I'll have to dig around in the file
archives to go over it again. I'd love to hear anbody's
thoughts on this. -J4N-

It is there, watch the video. There are two shopped pic in the video right at the beginning. The stills just aren't clear, that's all.

i hate the killers


greta just makes me want to puke with the

"im inclined to beleive him BULL CRAP"
 8)

Yeah, the drop of the body in the Marriott's freezer.

Thanks klaas.

I will break my rule. Although I don't get FOX, so let me know, please. Pretty please guys..

The things that were taken from Joran's place.. they could be " valuable "
in a sense. Wonder if anyone is trying to sell them back to Joran ?

 :D  Hot damn !  Thanks for the heads up!

This is really wonderful news.
Can ya'll feel the momentum building?  :D  I think things are gonna happen.

 :D  :D  :D

I hope they address the cocaine part.
The cocaine reference in the evidence file is DumPigs last desparate attempt to bring closer to the case. He got dumped on after the Dutch destroyed and covered-up all the obvious evidence, then Dumpig was the stooge put in charge to 'make the case'.  I'm sure the Jacobs, VanDerSludges (both) got a giggle watching poor DumPig trying to bring closer to the case.  His last desparate stab was to bring closure in what is so common in Aruba -- the drug connection.
The coke reference is nothing more than more planted evidence by the ALE.
Natalee was an honor roll student with a full ride scholarship to a major University majoring in Medicine. Active in church, school and community projects.
No history of drugs, yet they'd have us believe that on the few short days the perfect child was on Aruba, she was openly snorting coke lines and offering her friends drugs.
Please, this is right out of the DumPig file trying to blame the victim knowing he can't over trump the Dutch that hold sway on the island.

thanks RED

thanks Klass  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8)  8)  8)

I wonder why he was in such a hurry.

The first picture has to be used. And the guy in the second, third, fourth, or fifth has to be placed in the first picture ( You can choose which one is the easiest to use) The best would be if this one would be pasted onto that girl ( so that that girl who`s standing on the left in the first pic is not seen anymore, if that isn`t really possible, than you have to put this guy just over her)
If that looks believable, and they buy it,than i will make sure you`ll get €200,-- from Kees.
If it isn`t possible, than we can let this guy make a picture that he fits in excactly,
but we don`t have a lot of time.

i dont care if natalee was doing drugs or not doing drugs

it doesnt change a thing to me


not a SINGLE THING changes


just another LOAD from the people from EVIL ISLAND  8)

Interesting that Anita would know of the monitoring isn't it.
.
The little brother was having a play date at the Marriott with the Zeola kid. Paulus had said that he left the casino at the Holiday Inn becasue the youngest kid was being dropped off in Montanja. So, he makes the Zeola's drive all the way to Montanja when he could have gone to the Marriott himself and picked the kid up on the way home ?
.
Joran was home because there was some porn playing. Some alibi.

I wonder why he was in such a hurry.

The first picture has to be used. And the guy in the second, third, fourth, or fifth has to be placed in the first picture ( You can choose which one is the easiest to use) The best would be if this one would be pasted onto that girl ( so that that girl who`s standing on the left in the first pic is not seen anymore, if that isn`t really possible, than you have to put this guy just over her)
If that looks believable, and they buy it,than i will make sure you`ll get €200,-- from Kees.
If it isn`t possible, than we can let this guy make a picture that he fits in excactly,
but we don`t have a lot of time.



hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Posted by Crioyo on the front page of SM:

Saw the whole show sunday…Pretty good..even if it was just a summary of what we already knew. It’s the first decent attempt to put it all on mainstream tv. The last time opsporing verzocht did it, they made it look as if joran & co were just witnesses rather than suspects. This time around it was good.

I didn’t know though that Joran had paid someone 200euro’s to photoshop pics of him and natalee to pretend as if they already knew eachother. They showed the email and the account hakers_rule@

and when peter asked paulus on the phone, paulus also said the ‘’we have more information but will bring it out when the time is right, that is when she is found or in such a case'’ speech. same thing joran said on 60 minutes was it?

etc etc…pretty good show and there seems to be a part 2 this week according to me…

will keep an eye out.

Carpe: My honest take when I first read that awhile back, was that hadn't Joran already gotten in trouble with (at that time) the Gen. Mgr's. daughter? Most likely, his reputation was big time trouble by then and he had been warned to stay off property and I bet his parents had been warned also to keep Joran off property. That girl had been a fellow student at the International School.

YES, the porn playing is a GREAT ALIBI


NOT
NOT
NOT
NOT
NOT

see, i think EVIL ISLAND also known as TOILET  thinks people are STUPID

Does anyone else feel disgusted with Fox and Greta? They want the story once De vries is successful; however, when we were begging and pleading for some newsperson to investigate (Greta,Geraldo), there was silence.

I think you pretty much nailed it.

"we have more information but will bring it out when the time is right"

per DOCTOR EVIL



thats wwhat we call the OLD SWITCHAROO


stalling for time

LOADSVILLE

dont know what to say



 :twisted:

Kat_Gram

Sorry to be so far behind.

What is the full name of the "Zeola kid"? Thanks.

IBE

Kat_Gram

Sorry to be so far behind.

What is the full name of the "Zeola kid"? Thanks.

IBE

For those asking about the date of the photo appearing on RU, it appeared at the latest, the first week of January of this year. It was taken from a private photo album of one of the MB girls on the trip from Facebook, NOT MySpace. I have sent all of the info to Klaas along with screenshots of the properties for the actual folder and files as well. So please know I am not attempting to advance any measure of false information. At that time Facebook was NOT international and also only allowed US university students to register.

I am still searching out more supportive evidence but the FIRST place that photo emerged was on RU, during the period StinkyPete and WangChung were heralding how "the answers lie in MB". There are a series of photos in that album from that party, Klaas has them all now as well.

I'll be back later, must run it's been just a very busy day......but wanted to respond as quickly as I could to tyler's questions.

As for Greta, here's what I hope she looks like tonight (http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k101/daisysistah/GIFS/smilies/word/eggedsmiley.gif)

Well, I love FOX, as that is all we watch here, and I can forgive Greta as long as she keeps Natalee's story out there. Sooner or later, Greta will have to realize that she was snookered. Timing is everything and if it takes Greta's participation, so be it. One thing is certain: There is no such thing as a perfect crime and the sooner Greta realizes that, the wiser she will be.

I do think that we are overreating on the cocaine part of the program.
Pretty sure it came from Dompid via Boeti Naar. Or GVC.
There were several blonde girls in Aruba at the time. One was spotted in the gas station Not Natalee. One was in the jewelry store, Not Natalee.  
There was also one at the front desk at the HI, again, Not Natalee.
Julia though she had seen her, turned out, another Not Natalee.
So, Devries used what he had from the police files, but who is to say that the girl was Natalee.
I did go to some Dutch comment sites that were from the FP and I could not measure the reaction, but the word cocaine did not come up on the translation.  
The big issue to me is Ben King being in the apartment when the seacrh was conducted.
Janssin asking for a search of the whole property, DeWitt limiting it to only Joran's residence. Did KJ even have a come back ? Like, possessions that were in Joran's apartment could be anywhere on the property ? Or did it not enter her mind that bedding, mattress tops, etc could be moved from one room to another ? Then, when the Sloots went to stay at the King's, stuff went there. Most likely, it did not come back.

My opinion and mine only. There was no lighthouse visit , no beach walk. Joran VanderSloot and the Kalpoes, rolled into CnCs 30 minutes before closing time to target a tourist girl for their date-rape scheme.
Like animals in the wild, they picked out their victim, they snapped the trap and Natalee never knew what hit her.
No lighthouse, no beach, straight to VanDerSloot household to video tape the rape of an innocent American tourist girl.  
Their previous victims probably woke up on the beach, wondering what happened and scrambling to make their flight home.
What's sad and sick about this little scam is that everyone on Aruba knew it went on and turned a blind eye.  
Innocent fun for the sporting PIMPS, no one ever figured one of their victims would die. They didn't know how to deal with a death.

Thank you Nonesuche!
I was asking many of the questions. I think this is significant.

good points

We need an all-call monkey alert system!  8)  

I'll be tuned in and ready to go~haven't listened to Greta in ages.....just hope she'll keep quiet and let them speak .... wishful thinking. :?

I do not know if it was ever mentioned. There is/was  a Zeola who is the manager of the Mariott.

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

So Why Does an Innocent Man Pay for a Fauxtograph of Joran Van der Sloot with Natalee Holloway?

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/2006/11/27/so-why-does-an-innocent-man-pay-for-a-fauxtograph-of-joran-van-der-sloot-with-natalee-holloway/

Do you think Greta will be happy that Peter thinks her boyfriend is guilty ?

SM asks Greta ... On the Record Greta ... Are you still inclined to believe him?

What you say now Greta?

ROBOTS says

GRETA tries spinning the COMMENT


 :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

hi there, carnut...

I didn't see a smiley face or an eye roll...

are you serious?

.... that could explain a lot.

<--------------not impressed with GRETA at all

Greta will say "I never said he was innocent, just said I was inclined to believe him after interviewing him"

Does anyone else feel disgusted with Fox and Greta? They want the story once De vries is successful; however, when we were begging and pleading for some newsperson to investigate (Greta,Geraldo), there was silence.
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Memphis - I hate FOX and Greta is media slut. Once she said "I'm inclined to believe him"  I turned her off.  Not to mention how she all but gave Taco Joe the blowjarb in every interview. Even Jossy complained that he never got the last word, she always let Taco get last say.

Yeah, and where have you been Greta?   :evil:

Great front page Red!

yep !!!!!!!!!

in robotic world we call it spinning
 8)

she makes me puke

 :P

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JUSTICE FOR  NATALEE

Evening monkeys...I see Greta has recovered from her "i tend to believe him" induced coma to once again go for the ratings... :roll:

Well, yes I am semi serious. Seems reasonable if one has a dead body on their hands, one might be looking for someplace to store it temporarily until one can dispose of it.

If for some reason Anita is cautioning against going near there, that might be to keep the cops from having any reason to go near there.

Seems if PVDS was QA/QC guy for a hospital he might have had access to food facilities of most all the hotels in the area for inspections or investigations.

Dunno, just musings on my part.

10-4

Dan,

She lost me after that last Joran interview. A few weeks later...
she could have been following up on the Natalee tragedy...

instead she used some of her airtime to focus on REAL IMPORTANT
MATTERS.

It was af fluff piece on LEWIS THE CRIMINAL CAT. (pun intended)

Yeah, I've thought about her and Taco. She has to kiss up because she needs him for other stuff. I suspect that's partly the reason for "I tend to believe him".  

Thanks for "seeing" me. I've been feeling a bit invisible the last couple of days.  :wink:

SLOOT HIDING  :wink:

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Wow, I find those musings very interesting.

The MARRIOTT, is that owned by Posner or related in any way
to Posner?

Hi Lalas!

Good Evening Monkeys....looks like a ducked in on a banner night...should be interesting!!!

I've been distracted by the UA coaching drama all day...lol.....

Absolutely....that will be what she says at some point in time. All very matter of factly and in a sterile manner.

 :D That is some video, isn't it?

I've been inclined to not watch Greta. She makes me gag.  I do not get Fox and all it would take is a phone call to get it, no $$, but  don't even go to her stinkng Greta wire thing. or Fox web site.

Why would Anita think they were looking at the Mariott that early on ?
The SG were the ones they were looking at. Why the Mariott that early ?
And who told Anita that ? Jan Van Der's wife ?

Memphis!! How are you?

Say it won't be that old maid in britches, Spurrier.

Waving to Metro. (http://the-jurybox.com/TJB/Smileys/default/wavey.gif)

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No doubt...lol...after all the rumours I read today I'll volunteer for the job!!! Should be interesting....

Whoohoo! What Ono said!

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Heya BT...how'sthe Choo Choo?

Greta kissed up to Geragos all during the Scott Peterson trial, to the point where it was downright embarrassing.

Six more minutes! :D

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heh...heh...good thing I installed a new wireless router and charged the laptop battery!!!

She may also have been referring to staying away from the Marriott in their story about that night/morning.

Yes it sure is! I loved it! :D Hello Monkeys!

In another ALE Statement from Deecrack

He says "Joran was making an excuse that he and Natalee went outside
and he left the girl on the beach."

When D said OUTSIDE, it really jumped off the page for me. In order
to go OUTSIDE, you must be FIRST, ON THE INSIDE.

From what Deepak said, it sounds like they were definitely IN THE MARRIOTT first. HMMMMM???????

-J4N

Evening Monks, seems like you all have had a busy day in the cage. I'm reading to catch up. So deVries on Greta tonight, that sounds interesting. I get the feeling that in an interview situation he is going to be even more candid. Going to watch.......

I'm doing well!  :D

There is lots of excitement in the air! Do ya feel it?

I do want to discuss something with you later - been looking for you.

Heh, heh, better hope it's not the last six minutes of her show.

Howdy, Lalas.

I'm taking a little break from the sock monkeys.  :lol:

You'll get my vote!  I honestly don't think it will be Spurrier, do you?

Yup, metro, good thing ya did!

PEEK-A-BOO

STREET


SPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 :lol:

Evening monkey folks..
Question real quick.. Im behind.. who is this KEES person??
TY!!

I hope we get to SEE him...he is a hottie. 8)

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Not a chance IMO but then again look how Fran bolted in the face of the sanctions...at the end of the day it's all about the $$$$$$

 :lol: Carpe...you have such great wit. I always enjoy every one of your front page posts. You are a sharp cookie.

I think it's her MO.

Sure Memphis...I am going to watch Greta and then I will be right back to dance. :wink:

I agree..Gotta go watch now..

Hi bleachedblack, you beautiful Gilda monkey you.  :D

Hi Elaine!  :D

Watching Greta....just freaking amazing how she/they act like this is new information.....

Evening monkey folks..
Question real quick.. Im behind.. who is this KEES person??
TY!!

Anyone notice that Joran's shirt when he is handcuffed going in the car is the same as in the fake photo?

Hiya Kat,

Do we have any idea what color uniforms the Marriott SG Staff wears?

More specifically, do they wear all black & carry walkie-talkies.

 :?:

Apparently De Vries said Carlo was in a panic when De Vries told him what he knew.

 Hi Metro.. nice to see you.
KJ sure sounds liek shes involved bigtime huh?
I have it on on the other room.
Unreal.

Finebaum said it was supposedly because he didn't get things that were promised to him, but that was no excuse for the way Fran betrayed the trust of the players.

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Hey Ange...good to see you too!! I have always thought KJ was neck (among other body parts) deep in this whole deal.

Hi Angie. Hope you get an answer cause I was wondering about KEES myself.

 :wink:

Hi Ono,

Thank you very much for the nice compliment!

Hi Angie. Check page one of this thread, or Red's latest front page post.
His name comes from an email coorespondence of Joran's.

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eh...Finebaum is an idiot...not saying there's not some truth to that but I have to take everything out of Finebaum's mouth with a grain of salt.

  :) Metro..!!

  Howdy BT.. I know iys here somewhere. LOL

  Thanks Sweety!!!!  :)

WAY TO GO BETH!!!!

:D  :D  :D

woohoo  obstruction of justice, go Beth is right !!!!!!!

she certainly gave Red/Tom/Klaas their props too !

Greta should be embarrassed.

De Vries accomplished more in a few weeks than she did in 18 months.

More specifically, Klaas posted a screen shoot of the emails posted at JoranBlogSpot.

You are very welcome!

If nothing else DeVries is at least gonna make JVDS the Dutch OJ.

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Heya....yeah she did!!!


RTR!!

to coin her own phrase, Greta has been immensely cruel  :roll:

The search was strange, the search warrant was made by jansen to search the whole address...but the police were on the spot, another high ranking official reduced the search warrant just to jorans space. This was very strange....They had a belief that something happened to natalle that something may have happened to natalee in the garden...

Corruption??

well, corruption is, what I think is, its' a small island and everyone knows eachother..when the police arrived at the vds home, a close friend is somebody who works for the justice dept.   that was strange....a good friend of the family....police gets the impressiotn, that everyone knows each other and is helping each other. that is not good for an investigation.

greta:  do you , are you satisfied that kJ has doen everything?

No, i'm not, the justice dpt. could have done a lot more, and I still think it is not too late.  They did not do things they should have done, and it's a pity.

What I figured out is natalle never made it to the beach. they don't believe the story anymore....

No no , they are all focused on the three, there is no doubt about that...

Joran's lawyer spoke to the prosecutor....

Beth:  Well the report clearly shows alll of our frustrations, and carlo had a meeting with KJ, it's just, we have known this all along...

I think there are people who are protecting and deraling this investigation. they are the ones who have info as to what happened...

Have you heard from KJ?

No, zero, greta, nothing from her.

No, we hear nothing from anyone from aruba...

For peter to pick this up, otherwise we would not even now find the persons involved in derailing the investigation.

Police never think she made it to the beach.

beth:  Ya know, there were 4 diff versions of how joran told how he got home from the beach..devries picked up on this...

G: where do you go from here beth?  

B:  I think the first person to start with is the personnel who work in the justice dept. who are responsible for deraling the investigation. to talk to them would be a great start.

G; how are you all getting thru this?

b:  still no answers, but we have been able to pull alot of pstive things out of this. trying to turn our tragedy into good so it does not happen to other people. We are readily able to accept any help from the Netherlands.

I don't know but it does give us vindication, this show that we have been fighting this undercurrent.  Jvds is still the primary suspect....It feels good to know that the people who were fighting us all along the way..

Ya know, greta it is very cruel to, to not be forthright with the family and to share with us the news...they were hampering our efforts every step of the way.  I wish they would have the decency to just tell us...

G: beth thank you...

Can you say COVERUP

Heh, heh, Greta's summation actually made me change the channel.

Thank you!!   :roll:

BETH ROCKS

Monkeys ROCK


Greta is a BAG OF ROCKS  8)

Did you notice how Greta used her dismissive tone to say "I hope someone helps you" at the end? Not perhaps we can help you more now, or perhaps we weren't as effective as we might have been.......nada from the ice queen Greta.

Does appear that Greta was just shown what 'real' investigative reporting is all about.

Jacqueline - THANKS!

I'm glad the drug issue wasn't even brought up because it's a NON ISSUE.

yep


GRETA THE RATINGS HOG

Wow!  I am impressed once again at Beth's graciousness.  I can't say I would be as nice.  So is KJ a Dirty Hand?

I thought Greta's face and hair looked kind of plain and bland tonight. Wait - maybe it was just indigestion from eating that tough old crow.

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However...Greta is not an investigative reporter...just another media talking head who probably should stayed with the practice of law.

One might hope this would galvanize someone like Geraldo to get involved and try to really get it solved.

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to understand why joran thinks they way he does and does the things he does.

once must try to think like a wack job

its skerrrrrrrrrrrrrryy

but i will try it


give me a few minutes  8)

I'm hoping that Aruba will feel more pressure from Devries and the netherland investigative reporters.

We've already seen how they treat Americans.

OH MY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

fallen down and cant get up

 8)  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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I would agree but it would have to be somebody with much more credibility. Now having said that it's hard to imagine anybody in the media having credibility.....maybe Sean Hannity but that's all that comes to mind.

ROFL !!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I would just like to say thank you to Klaas for all the hard work she put forth on the statements.

Way to go ... Time well spent.

Klaas rocks  :wink:

yes he does





 8)

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Absolutely!!! And thanks the the whole SM crew and all the Monkey's tireless efforts day after day night after night!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 I agree sistah.. cold hearted she seemed . pfffffffffffft

And his yellow bow just adds that finishing touch!  :wink:

Thanks Red!  My pleasure, anything to help get resolution in this case.

ROFL

BT :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

I like to do it in caps  :lol:

KLAAS ROCKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yep

You did notice Beth's mention of SM didn't you?

I think she is a dirty hand.  :wink:

Evening Monkeys   :D  Hey Lil Puma...I started to go with B, but as I was typing out my response I realized that I actually think she may be aware, I dont see how she couldn't be after all this time. I am sure she has shed many tears while talking to joran and also to paulus, asking questions, watching their faces, listening to the tone of their voices as they answered. Also I dont see how joran or paulus could keep her from hearing things they said to each other now and then, even if they tried to. She would hear some things, thus she would almost have to know the truth even if she wont allow it to settle in her heart. I have to go with A, I think she does know, but perhaps wants to be in denial because she loves them.

ROFL  Carpe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anita knows

Me too.  :wink:

I second, or third, or fourth that!!!

Klass kicks a lot of 'Boeti' ...and keeps
the wheels moving
with good traction.


a big THANK YOU

Just to let you all know, in the past month or so there was an specific IP from Holland on SM reading away and printing pages.

Takes a while to read statements, or so I am told. ;)

Heck, anita is in charge, even if JVDS and KJ have a thing going on.

Was SM mentioned on Gerta Gag Me Show ?
Did DeVries mention SM ?
At this point, the American MSM is out of it.
The follow up has to be via the Dutch.

Ooops, that's PVDS and KJ have a thing going on.

yep

Beth said it.

Hello Widgie ! !  !

Obstruction of Justice

Beth is correct -- both "right" and "correct."

j2k and Paulus are vulnerable to mumerous ancillary charges:

Obstruction (All 4 of them)

Perjury (k2 false witness statements)

Conspiracy to Commit Perjury (k2 witness/suspect and jvds suspect statements)

Contempt of Court (k2 false witness statements)

Where is the prosecution for these obvious crimes -- OBVIOUS CRIMES.
What kind of Public Prosecutor lets criminals walk the streets when OBVIOUS CRIMES have been committed?  What kind of Government permits this?

Who interprets and enforces the law on Aruba?

Anyone with a local connection and a few ben franklins in their pocket?  This is a disgrace...and it's all starting to bubble up...

.  
.

Hi Kat ...........

Hope Things Are Well With You .............

 8)

Hi Memphis hope everyone is well tonight. I just watched Beth and the Devries interview on Greta, some of the things DV mentioned sent me searching for an old post.........this was posted at SM JUNE 29, 2005. It  gives me chills today to read this posters impressions from that date.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:44 pm    Post subject: mines     Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
I see something that is sending me some image. I have got today a long channel with a grid over, might be a well, and some sign of a bank like that shown on this image as an overhang, I am as near as can be from that image shown and would say as only seeing one check it out. I see from photo red shape and cannot have seen this before.

I have a view very long distance of a shape like a lighthouse so wonder if this wave like bank overhang is near the ruin or seen as low elevation from the gold mines as I would not know.Please check out if there is a well there, that is important, or cover as grid over some old mine, asp. God loves all his children who are pure in heart.

HI Memphis ...........

I Said It From Day 1 .................

KJ Is A Grand POS ...........

 8)

They are. the past few days have been busy with this. Alot of things have come out and I hope that there is some follow up in the ass kicking that Aruba deserves from Holland. But there has to be some charges laid.
hey, how's the track ?

Yes, you sure did.  You pegged it.

THe Weather Is Clear & The Track Is Fast ...............

 8)

Bravo Bravo loud and clear :!:

Now You Have To Wonder What Exactly Did She Present To The Judge

Last Year That Sprung The Sporter ..........

 8)

and you bees right, Midget!

Where have you been? Monks have been asking about you. Have your ears been burning?

Been Reading Here When I Have Time ...........

Harvesting A Bumper Crop This Year .......

So Thats The Ringing In My Ears I Have Been Having ..........

 8)

Jacquie Thanks For The Cards ...........

I Have To Open Them Tonight .......

Been Tooooo Busy Lately .........

 :lol:

So let's hope the rumor that De Vries is going to do a follow-up show soon is true!

Good Night All...pleasant dreams to you all....

metro....out

Memphis
What is your question? I am back and ready to dance. :wink:

hi there...

Does Posner own the MARRIOTT at Palm Beach?

Does anyone know?

Nite Metro!  Good to see you!

Oh WIdge you are welcome man.
Open them whenever you get some free moments... :lol:

No, Posner does not own the Marriott or any hotel.  He owns the Excelsior Casino in the Holiday Inn.

Hi Widget!!  Nice to see you!!
Hope you are all doing well!! How are the girls  :)

:rollingeyes:   Is she serious Klaas?

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Hey Monkeys,

Long time so see..  :oops:  :(
Hope everone is fine.

I was looking at Tv's at Best Buy   when I saw Beth on Fox News with Gag me a Ratings Spoon  :shock:  :shock:

Only caught bit & pieces but did I hear Beth say something about New Names that hindered the investigation and they are part of the Judical system???
Who >>>> please :!:

Just Wondering and thanks in advance  :)

OldF

Hi Everybody!!  :D

I'm sooooo proud of ya'll that have worked so hard in seeking justice for Natalee.  I don't have much to contribute, but I am here as much as I can be for Natalee.

Throw Karin Jansen under the bus!!!!!! She makes me so sick.  I swear there is not a mean, vindictive bone in my body, but I hope she is financially, professionally, and emotionally ruined.  I truly hope this ruins her.

K.  Back to the corner.  

P.S.  I miss ya'll.

Angie - yes she is.  Pretty pathetic huh?

Snoopy!!!!  Come back and speak to me....please....
 :lol:

Hi Angie .........

Good To See You Also .......

Hope All Is Well With You ...........

Things Going Great Here & The Girls Are Looking Forward To Summer Vacation ......... Our Summer Starts In December ..........

 8)

Mostly Antonio Carlo - Joran's attorney and Karen Janssen.

  Yes.. VERY!!

 sniff sniff.. you dont wub ME anymore?  LOL  I been trying to hug Nemo for you :)  :)  ROFL

 Doing well here to Widgey.
GLAD to hear the girls are doing good and looking forward to their vacation!! God love'em!!

I'm here Lala's. Hope you are well.   Don't have a lot of time lately.  Got back from our cruise which was wonderful.  Came home to a destroyed laptop..........but thankfully Dell is going to replace it.  And taking care of my sister.  Hospice is coming in this week, but I want to help her, and spend time with her as much as I can.  Praying to get through Christmas.

Klaasend
thanks...
I heard them mention someone at the Sloots when the warrant was served... could not make out the name but it did not sound familiar??

Everybody wubs you Angie.  You silly monkey! :D

Windy posts at REFS! :lol:

Just running through to say hi and keep up the good work.  I read as much as I can but with two teaching jobs and my oldest daughter getting married I have been WAY too busy! Looking forward to Christmas vacation!

This " Book " of Joran's, it is still a go ? What he going to put in it ?
I just hope that the momentum from Devries continues.
I used to have faith in KJ, but it did not last more than a month.
Their court things are not open to the media so we don't know what she put forth, but it became obvious that she wasn't on the side of any kind of laws we are familiar with. I don't even know if they have the things in place like we do for freedom of information. Here, as a member of the public, I can go to our Court of Queen's bench and listen to tapes if I wanted to, or pay to get a transcipt.  
...  
Glad to see Metro & Widgie here  !  
..
There was a case in Belgium, the Marc Dutroux case. The public outrage in Belgium was so high that it was re investigated.
Hope for the same thing here in this case.

Sorry, was answering business emails.  :roll:

Are you still here?

 SNOOP DAWG~!!!!!!!  (hugs)  miss yah chicky!!  :)
What a great show huh?

 God Bless you Casa!!and Congrats!! Lots of work a wedding is!
Glad my daughters is over and 3 months later still in love bigtime.. LOL

It sure was!!  I was so happy for the heads up from Red.  I had just taken baby boys puuter away from him to get my monkey fix when Red posted that.  It gives me a little hope that Justice will be served.

Yes.

Hi Snoop ..........

Good To See Ya ...........

 8)

Ben King, the director of the KIA prison was present in the apartment of Joran when the police did the warrant. Judge DeWitt limited it to just the living quarters of Joran.

Snoopy
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{HUGS}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

You know you can email me if you need to talk.  :wink:

I'm out of the LOOP but still have to ask..

Has there been anything related to Natalee's case in any of the ARUBAN media outlets?  Anything at all???
And
When the heck was K.J. going to retire / resign?

TIA

Angie
You know I love ya!  I saw you hugging Nemo this weekend...thanks a bunch.

BTW  Nemo's mom!!! Here's calling you out, girl.  Let me know how you are.

It's good to see you too Widget.  It's good to see all of you.  I can't believe another Thanksgiving has passed.  This time last year we were planning cookbooks, Rob's great Turkey stories..........and we're still here.  We must see this through.

As Peaches says........I'd like to slap some people silly.

Nope but there will probably be something tomorrow about the De Vries show.

Not sure about KJ, they lie alot in Aruba so it's hard to tell when she's leaving.  :wink:

Kat_Gram
As I said I did not hear everything but I thought they were saying the person that opened the door at the Sloots  ...limited the search to only Joran's apt. ???

Snoopy  I have a good feeling Justice WILL be served!! :)
Lalas  ROFL  :)
OldFart  KJ prob has a depend on right now... bet alot fo them are chittin their pants BIGTIME!

{{{{{HUGS}}}}}} back atcha girlfriend.  I'll email ya in the next coupl;e of days.  I only have 200 sumpin to return!  :lol:  :lol:

I think so too.   What's that ya'll say.......sumbeach?  She better get a whole lotta them depends.  She gonna need em.

And OFart, Joran got a couple of photos of Natalee's New Years Eve Party 2004 photoshopped with himself in it. !
From what we have so far from Devries, it appears as if he has found conflicts of interest between some of the major players in the investigation. Ben King worked for the PG of Aruba, Therese Fernadez Croes and is a good buddy of Paulus. He ( Ben ) is very high up in the food chain in the Aruba Justice Ministry. Looks as if , to me, as if the investigation was hindered by the higher ups who were friends of Paulus.
There is more, but we haven't had the full transcripts from the Devries show.

Yes..Greta was cold as a cucumber. It's pretty obvious to her now that Joran made an ass out of her.

  :) :) Snoop Dawg!

Hi! Wouldn't you think that after all this time when Nat's case was silenced on MSM, that I could manage to watch the show uninterrupted by a phone call??? I'll catch it in the repeat, but appreciate the comments here so I can follow along!

I decorated my avatar for Christmas, (put back on the gold shiny dress and gave Marilyn a big shiny red ornament) and now I can't get it to load. I've been debugged and left all nekky!!! :shock:

And there has been a time when Greta hasn't looked plain and bland ??? :lol:

Yup.... in front of the whole world ....

Yes! It was great!

And it was King who changed his name after the Mathews case?

Where human rights were proofed to be violated and I think, evidence was changed or lost. I believe that Paulus van der Sloot also worked on that case with King.

Also, wasn't it King withwhom the Sloots stayed while Joran was in prison? using the excuse of staying away from the media at their home and the cementing of the pool area?

Correct me if I am wrong. Thanks

IBE

Forgive the fluff, but since the interview for me was a "visual" only, I must say that Beth LOOKED great! Knowing what she has been through, I am encouraged and comforted once again by her remarkable strength and hope and pray she is doing as well as possible.

I noticed that nothing was said about Jan Van der Straaten in all this.  I wonder where he plays into all of this madness?

You need to remember, only from photobucket and in the THIRD option in your profile for avatars.  Use the url from photobucket without the IMG tags.

Well Monkeys ... Need to go :(

I hope to get my mindset where I can post more often and be ON Topic :shock:
anyway... Monkeys.. Take care & keep the faith  

SeeeYaaByeeeeeeeee all

OldF

Well, all us monkeys tried to tell Greta Joran was just yanking her chain...but did she listen?  Noooooooooo. I bet she was miffed about the "he wasn't at the beach" story.  After all she was assured by the delicious sporter that he lost his shoes there.  That Satish came back to puck him up and then went back later to get his shoes...  I hope Greta has something for that upset stomach of hers tonight...I bet crow doesn't taste very good.  :wink:

When Beth said that I was so proud of ya'll.

Where would we be without Klaas?  You're wonderful, lady.  Really.

And thank you so much Red and Tom.

Ya'll are the best!!!

Ding Ding Ding Ding.   I believe you are correct Ibe! :D

OH, KLAAS, YOU ROCK!!! Thanky, sir! :wink:

ummm Snoop, you didn't know that klaas was a male?  :wink:

It's good to see you man.  Good night.

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  WTH???? you ain't serious, right?

Are you messin with me????? :lol:

 8)

Rock On!!  8)

(http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e82/klaasend2/JoranRun2.gif)

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Thanks everyone!

Yes, I am a girl..not a guy  :lol:

 :shock: Could Shango have been wrong?  :shock:   :lol:

PART I

A Little from Greta – 11/27/06

Peter De Vries

Greta:  Tonight a Natalee Holloway bombshell.  Did Joran Van Der Sloot a prime suspect actually play a big part in Natalee’s disappearance and did his lawyer know about it?  A Dutch TV show claims to have expose some never before seen or hear information.  Earlier we spoke to Peter De Vries a crime reporter in Holland who conducted the investigation for the show.

Greta:  What do you think is the single biggest thing that surprised you about this investigation?

Peter:  Well one of the biggest thing we found out that Joran’s lawyer Mr. Antonio Carlo paid a secret visit to the head prosecutor Karin Janssen because he wanted to clear his conscience that’s what he said.  And this is strange because according to the Dutch Law and rules it is highly unusual for lawyers and public prosecutors to meet during an investigation, it’s not done.  But Mr. Carlo insisted to have a talk with Head Prosecutor and then well she says OK come along to my office and we will have a talk and when he went there they had that talk and then he said well I want you to know that my client Joran Van der Sloot played a major part in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.  And then he stated that it was of course up to the police to get the full proof of this.  But that’s what he said and later months later the Head Prosecutor wrote him a letter and asked lawyer to give more details about what he had said and then the lawyer got scared at moment because he was thinking he supposed that it was a top secret meeting in the past and now it was suddenly on paper so he wrote back and said no I think you must have misunderstood me and he denied everything.

Greta:  When was this meeting between Joran Van der Sloot’s lawyer and the prosecutor?  Now Natalee of course disappeared at the end of May 2005.  When in relationship of the disappearance.

Peter:  Oh it was very short after his arrest so in June 2005.

Greta:  Did you confront Joran Van der Sloot’s lawyer about this and say did this happen?

Peter:  Yeah I went to his office when I was at Aruba and with a candid camera with me and then he admitted that he had a meeting the with Head Prosecutor and that they wrote letters to each other and he was very confused, he was in panic when I told him what I knew and I also wrote a letter to the Head Prosecutor and she also admits that there was a meeting and that there is now disagree about what had happened then.

Greta:  Do you know Peter is there some rule that prevents Karin Janssen the prosecutor from talking to the public or at least revealing some information sort of get some mystery out of the investigation?

Peter:  In Holland it is absolutely not done for a lawyer to talk to a prosecutor during an investigation, it is not allowed.

Greta:  What about a search of the Van der Sloot property.  Was that ever done and was it including sort of the cabana area where Joran lives.

Peter:  Well the search in the home address of the family Van der Sloot is very strange because the search warrant was made by Head Prosecutor Karin Janssen and contained an allowance to search the whole address Mon 19.  But when the police was on the spot another high ranking employee of the Justice Office it was Mr. Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran and that’s very strange.  The police was extremely frustrated about this because they had some clues that something might have happened to Natalee elsewhere in the garden or in the house of the parents because Joran admits that he has been with Natalee and Deepak and Satish at the home of his parents.

Greta:  You know many Americans when they think of this investigation they think corruption.  In your investigative journalism did you find any evidence to support the suspicion that there is corruption within the investigation whether it be at the police level or the government level or any level at all.

Peter:  Well corruption is a very heavy word I think.  What I think is that it’s a small island everybody knows each other that’s the problem.  When the police arrived that the Van der Sloot’s home for the search to their surprise the door was not open father or mother Van der Sloot but a close friend of them.  The close friend is somebody who works at the justice department at Aruba so that’s strange.  The police was amazed what is he doing here and then he told them yeah I’m a very good friend of the family and I want to support them in these hard times.  So you get the impression that everybody is knowing each other is helping each other and well that’s not good for a fair investigation I think.

Greta:  Peter I’ve been very hard or aggressive in my words towards Karin Janssen the prosecutor and maybe in part she can’t talk as you noted earlier because of the rules there.  From your investigation are you satisfied she has done everything she should and should have been done to try and solve this disappearance?

Peter:  No I’m not.  I think the Justice Department could have done a lot more and I think it’s still not too late to solve this crime and they make mistakes they didn’t do things they should have done and that’s a pity.

Greta:  Did your investigation establish with any level of certainty whether Natalee even made it to the beach that night.

Peter:  No what I figured out that the police is thinking at this moment that Natalee hadn’t been on the beach that night at all and that somewhere else something might have happened but not on the beach.  They don’t believe the story anymore.

Greta:  Do they still focus simply on Joran, Satish and Deepak or are they still keeping the possibility open that there is some other explanation somebody else got to Natalee.

Peter:  No No the police are still focused on Joran Van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish there is no doubt about that.

Joining us Live from Alabama is Natalee’s mother Beth Holloway Twitty:

OMG!!!  That's the academy award of them all, Klaas!!!!

Give her/him the oscar!!  (http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/a_hail.gif)

 :shock: Could Shango have been wrong?  :shock:   :lol:

Greta looked really pissed, I thought.

Well I knew that silly.  I knew they were messin with me!!!!  :lol:  :lol:

Geez I'm tired.  :shock:  :roll:  :lol:  :wink:

Say it ain't so!! :lol:  :lol:

You are 100 % correct. His name used to be Ben Voking.
He was on leave when this happened, but neverless, still employed by the Ministry. Therese Fernandez Croes " was not happy " with him.
I need to wait for whole translation, but right now, it appears as if the investigation was being directed by the suspects family friends. IMO right now.
But then, we all knew that something stank like Gouda cheese left in the sun tooooooooooooooooo  long . All the court decisions, the search warrants, the going to court and the fact the Sloot property cannot be searched again were all weighted in the Sloots favor.

Yea and stupid ain't pretty.

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol: I just love this!

Thanks San!

Yep.. Thank you San.  :D

Klaas I love the tanks added to the back-ground!

Little OT trivia(?) Was checking out todays Diario., the obituaries to be exact.
Out of the 5 recent deaths listed, 3 have the last name Croes!

:lol: Hi to all of you Monkeys:
You all should be so proud of yourselves. Each and every one of you! I've been reading and reading for 18 months, I've listened to all of you and your thoughts of what might have happened to Natalee. I must say that you all blow me away at how right on the money you have been.  I can't go to those other sites, cuz I get to angry, but I have read some at BFN, I didn't connect there.  You all are truly amazing people.  Red, Tom, Mrs. and KLAAS, YOU REALLY DO ROCK! Hope it doesnt sound selfish on my part, but thanks for giving me a place to go  to EVERYDAY to help myself heal because of my heartbreak for Natalee and her family.  As I watched Beth tonight, with tears streaming down my face, in awe of her strength.

Well said hummingbird.  My sentiments exactly. :wink:

Did Shango say Dirty Hand or Hands?

Seems as if serveral need some Dial soap in Aruba and I hope not in Holland; but isn't the judicial and enforcement areas overseen by them?

OK................once and for all I'm going to settle the "Klaas gender controversy". Forgive me, Klaas, but just this once I'm posting this pic from your private album. It's time for a full view for all to see. It leaves no doubt...........

(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c100/crazybabyborgs/sexymonkey.jpg)

 :lol:

CBB  :lol:  :lol:

If you remember Shango never said it was van der Straaten.

Me too San. I missed a little of the beginning and am glad you took notes.

Is she wearing Hayes? too with the high heels? :lol:  :lol:

Great pict!

Don't mess with Klass!

Hi Hummingbird.  :D

Holy Crap!!!  :lol:  
 I'll never look at Klaas the same way again.  Oh my!!  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

No wonder you are so popular at college.  :wink:

Kinda because shango never really said much of anything.

Hi Hummingbird... you are right , klaas really does rock....

BAWAHAHAHA! Lets don't ever look at her ! :lol:

I know Lala's.  You know I'm a Shango believer.   :wink:

Oh heck.. who used to use that AVI here??   grrrrrrrrr..
Rooscrew?   I always laughed at it!

You got that right!!! eeeewwweeee.

I remember it from way back when angie.... LOL

Yep, that's who it was!

  Hi Cubbe sweety!!!!!
LOL Klaas..  I thougt so. but wasnt 100% sure.  :)
You be a sexy  SHIM Klaas!!  ROFL

Lala's.......put KJ into the mix with Dirtyhand.  I don't have my notes and such handy, but that might just fit.  Never considered her.  hhhmmmm. :wink:

Memphis
Are you doubting Shango now? :lol:

Hey chicky!

BRB I think you might like this...

K

 Me either Lalas and Snoop Dawg..  I always thought it was a male!

While I am not always a K J fan... doesn't she work on the information that the ALE gives her? And if so, how could she work with left-out, or misinformation or no info from ALA?

Then there's probably a big pressure from the Dutch Clan, IMO

Hi Ono,
You all are so happy and up tonight and well you should be.  I can't seem to stop bawling.  Oh well, I've had these kinda nights before. It will pass.

ALE actually report to her in a case.  I think it's more likely that KJ left out information when she submitted it to the judges.

Everything will be ok hummingbird.  We just gotta stay the course.  We're here for Natalee, but we're also here for each other too, buddy.   :wink:

I keep looking for encouraging things around this case, and even though I hope that something sticks to JK2 soon, I do believe that there are enough people with enough knowledge outside of Slootville, that the truth will eventually surface. Someone said that at least Joran is fast becoming the "Aruban OJ" and I agree with that. I also think that this cage has set the standard for truth in the blatant absence of formal justice. You all have done an amazing job, and Klaas, the record is here for anyone who wishes to view it. Thank you!

Thats right hummingbird, and now what we have known for a very long time now is going to be known by many,many others. Hopefully this will turn the tide in favor of Justice for Natalee....

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:09 pm
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles
DirtyHand knows this
Children of the Elders play in the maze,
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave


Let's put KJ in the mix here...Dirty Hand is most often referred to as a "he".  But this time Shango doesn't say that.  Anyway, the real key here is what all of us monkeys already knew....they were never at the beach.  If Shango knew this on June 27, then how many others did as well and how did they know this?  What is IT that makes them know that Natalee was not on the beach with Joran?  He lost his shoes there...he told Greta he did...Deepak brought two dogs there...Joran said so....even the K2 say they left Joran and Natalee there....so how does Shango know that never happened?

Well sumpin sure the heck is wrong now ain't it?  Dirty cop, dirty judge, dirty prosecutor, dirty hand, Dirtyhand, dirtyhands......heck the're all dirty.  Somebody's gotta step up to the plate and do the right thing.  It's time to man-up.

Note to JR Dutch Attorney at FOB

In case you weren't aware, when we refer to JR we are talking about Julia Renfro, not you.  Actually, we don't give you a second thought


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I keep running into references of "two dogs" and that is something that must have developed while I was away. This is from a statement by Joran? Why would Deepak bring two dogs to the beach? In his car???!!! From all I've heard about Deepak's attitude twd's his car, I doubt that. Anybody feel like straightening me out?

Lala's do you remember when dutchlady used to post here? I remember this one post of hers that was like a psych. profile of JVDS in which she was certain that Natalee was taken to the beach?

Inside knowledge would be my guess.  Or Shango knew the previous pattern of Joran.  I think many people knew the pimps routine with girls, and turned a blind eye.

but...but...Lalas??

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:06 pm
Babalu opened a window looking into Babylon on his 12:31 A.M. post

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

 :?:

Thanks for the kind words I am feeling better.  I'm gonna go to bed thinking that Mr Peter just got everyones attention, got them interested. Now with more investagating, his next show will dig and little deeper.  Hopefully he'll turn loose of some higher up names and get this really moving. night all. :wink:

Good Night hummingbird.

The question you have to ask is...which Shango was this?  Shango 1 or Shango 2?

The last place that JK2 felt a need to place themselves with Natalee and offer an explanation for was Joran's house. They covered the possibility that the car was seen there by that lame story of going by the house, parking, but not going in. I don't think Natalee ever left there with full consciousness and maybe died there. I believe strongly that what happened to her began at that property. Actually the drugging began at C&Cs.

Sorry I meant to write Natalee was NOT taken to the beach.

Didn't hammer post that earlier today? I think I read it.

Memphis wrote;

Did he? afraid I didn't see it.

Well I gotta go to bed ya'll.  Been good to be with ya for a while.

Dutchlady was fascinating.  Very very bright.  Had to read her stuff multiple times to get it.

Shango1 and Shango2?  We'll have to catch up, Lala's.

Good night.

So where does Shango say that dirty hand is the police chief...I mean just come out and say that?  He doesn't, we just assume that to be that case...remember there are others that think it is Rudy Croes and even some that think it is somebody else.

ahhh...ding ding diing  :idea:

Ok, I say Shango 2 (I have a specific one in mind) because he's the one I've wanted to discuss with you.   :lol:

  Have a great night Snoop Dawg!!  :)

Let me look for it and see if it is the same one you're talking about. It was the first time I had read DutchLady and it WAS NOT an easy read.  :lol:

Hear things?  She knows everything.  If Natalee was still alive when she returned from the NL, she might have been the one to dispose of her.  Speaking of ice queens, Greta does not hold a candle to Anita.